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Cutter Isaacson
Peace N Quiet
542
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Posted - 2012.06.23 16:20:00 -
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Holander Switzerland wrote:Cutter Isaacson wrote:
I think you are sailing about as close to the wind as you can get Holander. You may want to take self enforced break, go and get some fresh air and do something else, before you say something else and get given a break.
Oh man, looking out for me. Where would I be without my wing-man, uh, er, whoever you are. I'm going to continue flying higher though and you can go back to being irrelevant.
In a game with this many players, we are each as relevant as one another. The fact that you choose to be rude and discourteous to someone merely offering honest advice says little for your character sir. Numbers of terminally stupid people seem to be on the increase, I suggest we have a real life Stupidageddon to rectify this issue. |
Ryunosuke Kusanagi
38
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Posted - 2012.06.23 16:20:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote:Ryunosuke Kusanagi wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:Ryunosuke Kusanagi wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:
I can only speak for myself but I did not ever receive any detail whatsoever regarding this until after it had been taken advantage of. From anyone.
That being said we were aware that there was problems with the design and a fix had already been written for it.
Wait, if you knew of the problem and had a fix for it already, why did you NOT hotfix it? This takes time to take effect. Hotfixing would have had 0 impact. no no, from what you implied, is that you had known about the flaws from around the time it was released, and that you had already been working on a fix for it, or at least before all this went down. or am I misunderstanding what you said? I didn't imply since release. I implied prior to being notified.
ahh I see. Still there is a small discrepency in your statements, The Devs knew about the problem, but you did not? it sounds like there isnt clear communications from the devs to your team that "Hey, this might be a problem, might want to keep an eye on it." type of deal. And apparently, not confirming or denying anything in this statement, that the devs knew about this from it's introduction on Sisi, I do not have the bug reports or such to view this so cannot say one way or another. |
Holander Switzerland
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
24
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Posted - 2012.06.23 16:21:00 -
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Actually yeah this is a good point, if people were warning them about this before it left sisi, isn't that pretty much consent for whatever was in the patch. |
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
475
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Posted - 2012.06.23 16:21:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote:Aryth wrote:Popping in. Will be out of pocket rest of day. I was hoping to have seen a Dev Blog by now but no dice.
Status for me right now: 1.2T in hard assets taken at least. Possibly more. I would need to go and put a hard value on all the BPC's seized. This was mixed in with my own stuff, I didn't keep separate stacks. 1.7B in LP zeroed out. Yes, that is a B.
So even if you value LP at 1k isk each, when it's 2k if you cashed it in properly, I am out about 3T since last night. No word yet from CCP. Going to wait to see what the statement says, this is pretty surprising to me as we feel this is all legitimate gameplay and they seem to be reflecting that in their press releases. So I don't want to speculate too much right now on their thought process. It's a black box right now.
You know we won't comment on individual items on this forum and we welcome you to do the same. Some LP was seized from people who were abusing, and I do mean abusing, this mechanic in order to prevent a crash of the FW markets. It will stay that way until Monday at the earliest. Nothing that's been printed by any news source is in any way accurate and any numbers that have been printed were made up by these "journalists".
In other words, "assets have been impounded pending further investigation." Which is what we thought. Might have been a little cleaner if that had been announced yesterday though. CCP no longer respects its sandbox. Thanks, Sony. |
Danfen Fenix
Council Of Internal War The Paganism Alliance
113
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Posted - 2012.06.23 16:23:00 -
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People keep throwing around the word sandbox...
The clue is in the spelling
Sand box
All sandboxes have walls, and goons simply hit them this time Whats the big deal?
One thing I have noticed though with you goons is that, when somethings in your favour, you're all happy. Once it's against you, you whine like theres no tommorow...All the while knocking on people who whine about you.
HTFU? |
Tallon Sylph
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
74
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Posted - 2012.06.23 16:23:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote:Tallon Sylph wrote:AureoBroker wrote:Dear goons; again. This is an exploit, that is a completely unintented use of game mechanics.
We didn't intend for this game mechanic to work in the way that we designed it to work even though people repeatedly told us it was dumb. I can state 100% that we did not intend the mechanic to function this way.
Not working as intended?
Oh my.
Maybe you guys should make things better rather than going on asset grabbing rampages when a group of players understands the impact of your changes better than you do. |
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CCP Sreegs
C C P C C P Alliance
1640
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Posted - 2012.06.23 16:23:00 -
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corestwo wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:Aryth wrote:Popping in. Will be out of pocket rest of day. I was hoping to have seen a Dev Blog by now but no dice.
Status for me right now: 1.2T in hard assets taken at least. Possibly more. I would need to go and put a hard value on all the BPC's seized. This was mixed in with my own stuff, I didn't keep separate stacks. 1.7B in LP zeroed out. Yes, that is a B.
So even if you value LP at 1k isk each, when it's 2k if you cashed it in properly, I am out about 3T since last night. No word yet from CCP. Going to wait to see what the statement says, this is pretty surprising to me as we feel this is all legitimate gameplay and they seem to be reflecting that in their press releases. So I don't want to speculate too much right now on their thought process. It's a black box right now.
You know we won't comment on individual items on this forum and we welcome you to do the same. Some LP was seized from people who were abusing, and I do mean abusing, this mechanic in order to prevent a crash of the FW markets. It will stay that way until Monday at the earliest. Nothing that's been printed by any news source is in any way accurate and any numbers that have been printed were made up by these "journalists". In other words, "assets have been impounded pending further investigation." Which is what we thought. Might have been a little cleaner if that had been announced yesterday though.
I don't disagree. We should have notified the people we did things to. "Sreegs has juuust edged out Soundwave as my favourite dev." - Meita Way 2012 |
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Suqq Madiq
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
87
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Posted - 2012.06.23 16:24:00 -
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Blawrf McTaggart wrote:Suqq Madiq wrote:Blawrf McTaggart wrote:sort of like finding out your sandbox has razor blades hidden in the sand I suggest you hand out those razor blades to your fellows and make good use of them. you do know that suggesting someone kills themselves is bannable nowadays?
There are dozens of uses for razor blades. That you jumped to the conclusion they should be used for some kind of mass GOON suicide (which would be a tragedy of epic proportions) is on you, not me. |
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CCP Sreegs
C C P C C P Alliance
1640
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Posted - 2012.06.23 16:24:00 -
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Tallon Sylph wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:Tallon Sylph wrote:AureoBroker wrote:Dear goons; again. This is an exploit, that is a completely unintented use of game mechanics.
We didn't intend for this game mechanic to work in the way that we designed it to work even though people repeatedly told us it was dumb. I can state 100% that we did not intend the mechanic to function this way. Not working as intended? Oh my. Maybe you guys should make things better rather than going on asset grabbing rampages when a group of players understands the impact of your changes better than you do.
If that ever happens I'll agree with you. "Sreegs has juuust edged out Soundwave as my favourite dev." - Meita Way 2012 |
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Doctor Benway Kado
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
161
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Posted - 2012.06.23 16:24:00 -
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What a shameful snipe for this page. |
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Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
946
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Posted - 2012.06.23 16:25:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote:I don't disagree. We should have notified the people we did things to.
So, learning experience then?
GROUP HUG, EVERYONE! |
Sverige Pahis
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
1073
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Posted - 2012.06.23 16:25:00 -
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ok "suqq madiq" i'll try and remember that |
Benny Ohu
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
202
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Posted - 2012.06.23 16:26:00 -
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Dave stark wrote:Blawrf McTaggart wrote:you do know that suggesting someone kills themselves is bannable nowadays? because they couldn't possibly implying that people just need to have a shave because they look scruffy?
Wouldn't the razor blades have been worn dull by the sand? It's pretty dangerous using a dull blade. |
Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
948
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Posted - 2012.06.23 16:26:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote:Tallon Sylph wrote:Maybe you guys should make things better rather than going on asset grabbing rampages when a group of players understands the impact of your changes better than you do. If that ever happens I'll agree with you.
Ok. Please see this thread for a prime example of it happening. |
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
475
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Posted - 2012.06.23 16:27:00 -
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Tallon Sylph wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:Tallon Sylph wrote:AureoBroker wrote:Dear goons; again. This is an exploit, that is a completely unintented use of game mechanics.
We didn't intend for this game mechanic to work in the way that we designed it to work even though people repeatedly told us it was dumb. I can state 100% that we did not intend the mechanic to function this way. Not working as intended? Oh my. Maybe you guys should make things better rather than going on asset grabbing rampages when a group of players understands the impact of your changes better than you do. Now now, the police will impound property while investigating a crime, and that's basically what this is, at this point anyway. The police will also usually tell you, but hey, notifications do get delayed sometime. CCP no longer respects its sandbox. Thanks, Sony. |
Imiarr Timshae
Funny Men In Funny Hats
6
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Posted - 2012.06.23 16:28:00 -
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Just to save Screegs the typing:
The bottom line is you have to tolerate what we do or go make your own internet spaceship game to play.
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Cutter Isaacson
Peace N Quiet
543
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Posted - 2012.06.23 16:29:00 -
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Tallon Sylph wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:Tallon Sylph wrote:AureoBroker wrote:Dear goons; again. This is an exploit, that is a completely unintented use of game mechanics.
We didn't intend for this game mechanic to work in the way that we designed it to work even though people repeatedly told us it was dumb. I can state 100% that we did not intend the mechanic to function this way. Not working as intended? Oh my. Maybe you guys should make things better rather than going on asset grabbing rampages when a group of players understands the impact of your changes better than you do.
Just because a door is open, does not automatically mean that you should walk in. Numbers of terminally stupid people seem to be on the increase, I suggest we have a real life Stupidageddon to rectify this issue. |
Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
948
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Posted - 2012.06.23 16:29:00 -
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Imiarr Timshae wrote:Just to save Screegs the typing:
The bottom line is you have to tolerate what we do or go make your own internet spaceship game to play.
The scary thing is, some of the BOB people that we threw out of EVE actually did that. Some mecha version of EVE. Very early in it's development but was kinda interesting. |
Tallon Sylph
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
75
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Posted - 2012.06.23 16:30:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote:
If that ever happens I'll agree with you.
So are you saying that you haven't gone asset grabbing... or that you didn't totally fail to comprehend the impact of your changes? |
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CCP Sreegs
C C P C C P Alliance
1640
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Posted - 2012.06.23 16:31:00 -
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Ok I'm going to go watch The Footy. It's been a gas folks. "Sreegs has juuust edged out Soundwave as my favourite dev." - Meita Way 2012 |
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Tallon Sylph
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
75
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Posted - 2012.06.23 16:31:00 -
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Cutter Isaacson wrote:
Just because a door is open, does not automatically mean that you should walk in.
Is the door located in an environment that is billed as being a sandbox? |
Cutter Isaacson
Peace N Quiet
543
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Posted - 2012.06.23 16:31:00 -
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Imiarr Timshae wrote:Just to save Screegs the typing:
The bottom line is you have to tolerate what we do or go make your own internet spaceship game to play.
The bottom line is clearly stated in the EULA that each and every player is required to agree to upon joining this game. Toleration is not required, but a basic grasp of the rules should be. Numbers of terminally stupid people seem to be on the increase, I suggest we have a real life Stupidageddon to rectify this issue. |
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
475
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Posted - 2012.06.23 16:32:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote:Enaris Kerle wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:We haven't punished anyone to date. We haven't even decided if we will but boy howdy are we well within our rights to do so and I'm just astounded that I even have to explain that. Nobody is questioning whether you're in your right to do whatever you want with accounts, it's whether you're going to set a precedent for retroactively punishing people for doing things that were well within the design parameters of the game. By that standard the ferrogel exploit was also within the parameters. I don't know why this seems to not be sinking in. All exploits were programmed.
It was like 30 pages ago and may have been already explained, but the ferrogel exploit actually wasn't within parameters of the game - the POS reactors or whatever were continuing to run even when the silos with the inputs were empty. That's clearly a glitch, and if there had been such a glaringly obvious glitch involved here, none of us would have touched it. CCP no longer respects its sandbox. Thanks, Sony. |
Andrea Roche
State War Academy Caldari State
115
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Posted - 2012.06.23 16:32:00 -
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Xython wrote:Imiarr Timshae wrote:Just to save Screegs the typing:
The bottom line is you have to tolerate what we do or go make your own internet spaceship game to play.
The scary thing is, some of the BOB people that we threw out of EVE actually did that. Some mecha version of EVE. Very early in it's development but was kinda interesting.
are you talking about the blue print insident? If so, the player is long gone and banned. |
Imiarr Timshae
Funny Men In Funny Hats
6
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Posted - 2012.06.23 16:33:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote:Ok I'm going to go watch The Footy. It's been a gas folks.
Oh you card. |
Cutter Isaacson
Peace N Quiet
543
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Posted - 2012.06.23 16:33:00 -
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Tallon Sylph wrote:Cutter Isaacson wrote:
Just because a door is open, does not automatically mean that you should walk in.
Is the door located in an environment that is billed as being a sandbox?
As was said earlier, the key really is in that word you seem to be hung up on. All boxes have boundaries, they must in order for them to function, without boundaries there would be utter chaos and would bring about the demise of any system fairly rapidly. Until now those boundaries have, for the most part, seemed non-existent because no-one had really found them.
Numbers of terminally stupid people seem to be on the increase, I suggest we have a real life Stupidageddon to rectify this issue. |
Haquer
Vorkuta Inc Goonswarm Federation
72
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Posted - 2012.06.23 16:34:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote:Ok I'm going to go watch The Footy. It's been a gas folks.
If only you'd do the same to the thread. |
Andrea Roche
State War Academy Caldari State
115
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Posted - 2012.06.23 16:34:00 -
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Tallon Sylph wrote:Cutter Isaacson wrote:
Just because a door is open, does not automatically mean that you should walk in.
Is the door located in an environment that is billed as being a sandbox?
is the sandbox yours or theirs? |
Ariel Marquette
University of Caille Gallente Federation
6
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Posted - 2012.06.23 16:34:00 -
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Cutter Isaacson wrote:Holander Switzerland wrote:Cutter Isaacson wrote:
I think you are sailing about as close to the wind as you can get Holander. You may want to take self enforced break, go and get some fresh air and do something else, before you say something else and get given a break.
Oh man, looking out for me. Where would I be without my wing-man, uh, er, whoever you are. I'm going to continue flying higher though and you can go back to being irrelevant. In a game with this many players, we are each as relevant as one another. The fact that you choose to be rude and discourteous to someone merely offering honest advice says little for your character sir.
Friend, you do realize you're addressing a Goon, right? Character has never been their strong suit.
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Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
469
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Posted - 2012.06.23 16:38:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote:Tallon Sylph wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:Tallon Sylph wrote:AureoBroker wrote:Dear goons; again. This is an exploit, that is a completely unintented use of game mechanics.
We didn't intend for this game mechanic to work in the way that we designed it to work even though people repeatedly told us it was dumb. I can state 100% that we did not intend the mechanic to function this way. Not working as intended? Oh my. Maybe you guys should make things better rather than going on asset grabbing rampages when a group of players understands the impact of your changes better than you do. If that ever happens I'll agree with you.
"I'm telling you straight." - CCP Sreegs Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
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