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Treyan Argund
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
18
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Posted - 2012.06.21 17:35:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:That means I was the last to know ... thats actually quite funny.
ftfy |
Skye Aurorae
Viziam Amarr Empire
244
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Posted - 2012.06.21 17:35:00 -
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Pr1ncess Alia wrote: If anyone thought CCP would turn a blind eye and treat billions, hundreds of billions or more isk injection as a 'oops water over the dam, better luck next time' situation they are truly naive.
Your argument fails right here, this whole scheme removed ISK from the economy.
(I suppose you think getting you ship blown up is an ISK sink)
Skye Aurora is a 7 year old Girl Who Wants to be on the CSM! Unfortunately, the Lawyers say you have to be 21 - oh well.
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Words Words Words
Dilz Holdings
0
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Posted - 2012.06.21 17:35:00 -
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there is a mole.. right at the top of the circus
ccp sreegs has been tasked with revealing his identity... and eliminating him |
Igner Greyhound
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.06.21 17:36:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote:
I don't really want to say just yet, but basically if you know you're using a system in a certain way in order to gain massive resources, whether you're taking advantage of a design flaw or not and whether we classify it as an exploit or not we're still well within our rights to fix the glitch. I'm not going to comment on what we do or don't do at this point because I don't prejudge the results of investigations.
How about something like "This was technically legit, but the system was biased in a way we didn't intend, so we at CCP have to reverse some of the damage, because we can."
Then you can follow it up with "Tech is hilariously broken too, so we're going to fix that next."
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Pisov viet
Kaesong Kosmonauts Test Alliance Please Ignore
56
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Posted - 2012.06.21 17:37:00 -
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Pr1ncess Alia wrote: If anyone thought CCP would turn a blind eye and treat billions, hundreds of billions or more isk injection as a 'oops water over the dam, better luck next time' situation they are truly naive.
As far as I know, no isk was created out of this. They destroyed minerals to get LPs, used LP and isk to get assets, and are now owning tremendous stockpiles of various valuable items. These items will have to be sold on the market, or used internally. |
Father Snuggles
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
26
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Posted - 2012.06.21 17:37:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote:Jade Constantine wrote: Serious question Sreegs, is this kind of thing actually cheating ? (ie against the rules) I read their document a couple of nights ago and though sure it really did blow massive holes through the eve game mechanics in order to make a giant profit - was it actually illegal ?
I don't really want to say just yet, but basically if you know you're using a system in a certain way in order to gain massive resources, whether you're taking advantage of a design flaw or not and whether we classify it as an exploit or not we're still well within our rights to fix the glitch. I'm not going to comment on what we do or don't do at this point because I don't prejudge the results of investigations.
"So we had this sandbox and, due to lack of forethought, filled it with diarrhea. Now, while the vast majority of people were paddling around in it, writhing in disgust, there was this group of folks that accurately assessed the situation and built a float out of their mouthbreathing comrades that were oblivious to their fecal predicament.
Then, not covered in filth like everyone else, they laughed at us.
Joke's on them, though. We punished them by saying they weren't in a sandbox to begin with." |
Alexzandvar Douglass
NUTS AND BOLTS MANUFACTURING En Garde
0
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Posted - 2012.06.21 17:38:00 -
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Aryth wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:Ituhata Saken wrote:Dearest Market-Interested Space Tycoons,
At downtime today we made an adjustment to the average price of some items in order to curb a situation whereby the average price of an item could be manipulated in order to create a disparity between the value of an item in Isk and its value in Loyalty Point payouts. There will be additional changes in how this system works in the future. We will be monitoring for attempted manipulation of the LP market and will reverse any proceeds deemed to have been obtained through manipulative means. We are watching you. DonGÇÖt be That Guy.
By way of explanation we addressed the manipulation issue but haven't yet completed the investigation into the scope of the abuse. Once that happens I'm pretty sure some people are going to be a bit less smug about the money they made that one time when there was a bank error in their favor and then lost again when the bank fixed the glitch. Serious question Sreegs, is this kind of thing actually cheating ? (ie against the rules) I read their document a couple of nights ago and though sure it really did blow massive holes through the eve game mechanics in order to make a giant profit - was it actually illegal ? I don't really want to say just yet, but basically if you know you're using a system in a certain way in order to gain massive resources, whether you're taking advantage of a design flaw or not and whether we classify it as an exploit or not we're still well within our rights to fix the glitch. I'm not going to comment on what we do or don't do at this point because I don't prejudge the results of investigations. The CCP position is pretty clear. They have to protect the sandbox to some degree. However, we were careful to limit the scope of this. Profit yes, gamebreaking no. In theory we could have generated 10's of billions of LP. That would have had long term consequences CCP could not have ignored. I feel good that when they dive into the details, they will see it's not horrible enough to mess with, and it the market will correct within 30 days or so.
So is the idea to exploit it, but only a little so as not to **** off CCP? Meh |
Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
122
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Posted - 2012.06.21 17:38:00 -
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Blawrf McTaggart wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Lord Zim wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:The original leak of your document was in the early hours of wed morning FYI Nope. I'm afraid to say you know nothing. roleplaying ygritte now what is it with you and roleplaying promiscious women??
did someone call? |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1386
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Posted - 2012.06.21 17:38:00 -
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BRAVO GOONS!
Keep the good work, it's incredible how some of your bright minds can find these things. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
Twitter channel |
Treyan Argund
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
18
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Posted - 2012.06.21 17:38:00 -
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:siren:GS_ISK LEAK:siren:
(13:38:10) la_nariz: The jewbal bankrolling a burn jita month? (13:38:19) treyan_argund: :aaaaa: (13:38:22) treyan_argund: YES PLEASE (13:38:26) endercapitalg: :stare: |
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Mabego Tetrimon
Spiritus Draconis Sicarius Draconis
2
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Posted - 2012.06.21 17:39:00 -
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So if you Goons came out BEFORE CCP find out about your cheatings, i would be impressed. Now. Not so much, another round of cheaters will bite the dust. |
Lord Zim
886
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Posted - 2012.06.21 17:40:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:That means you guys were amongst the last to know ... thats actually quite funny. I'm actually 100% certain you're 100% full of ****. But again, please do keep on pouring on the damage control, you're pretty bad at it. |
Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1096
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Posted - 2012.06.21 17:40:00 -
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Promiscuous Female wrote:Blawrf McTaggart wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Lord Zim wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:The original leak of your document was in the early hours of wed morning FYI Nope. I'm afraid to say you know nothing. roleplaying ygritte now what is it with you and roleplaying promiscious women?? did someone call?
we found jade's spy guys
give me digi's job |
Treyan Argund
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
18
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Posted - 2012.06.21 17:40:00 -
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Mabego Tetrimon wrote:So if you Goons came out BEFORE CCP find out about your cheatings, i would be impressed. Now. Not so much, another round of cheaters will bite the dust.
They never would have known had we not told them. HTH.
Also reposting
:siren:GS_ISK LEAK:siren:
(13:38:10) la_nariz: The jewbal bankrolling a burn jita month? (13:38:19) treyan_argund: :aaaaa: (13:38:22) treyan_argund: YES PLEASE (13:38:26) endercapitalg: :stare: |
Pr1ncess Alia
Perkone Caldari State
172
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Posted - 2012.06.21 17:41:00 -
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Skye Aurorae wrote:Pr1ncess Alia wrote: If anyone thought CCP would turn a blind eye and treat billions, hundreds of billions or more isk injection as a 'oops water over the dam, better luck next time' situation they are truly naive.
Your argument fails right here, this whole scheme removed ISK from the economy. (I suppose you think getting you ship blown up is an ISK sink)
injection was the wrong term to use. Hardly approaches impacting the rest of my argument. In fact, it further supports it.
Assets were burned to do this. Assets that could have been used much more productively.
Not that 'for the lulz' isn't a pretty good use, but I like money.
edit (I suppose you think herfblurf) |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2403
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Posted - 2012.06.21 17:41:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:That means you guys were amongst the last to know ... thats actually quite funny. I'm actually 100% certain you're 100% full of ****. But again, please do keep on pouring on the damage control, you're pretty bad at it.
https://twitter.com/EVEAryth/status/215233678631116801
any comments?
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom Epic Inferno Wardec Test, Sign up and shoot Goons for free! |
Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
811
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Posted - 2012.06.21 17:41:00 -
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Igner Greyhound wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:
I don't really want to say just yet, but basically if you know you're using a system in a certain way in order to gain massive resources, whether you're taking advantage of a design flaw or not and whether we classify it as an exploit or not we're still well within our rights to fix the glitch. I'm not going to comment on what we do or don't do at this point because I don't prejudge the results of investigations.
How about something like "This was technically legit, but the system was biased in a way we didn't intend, so we at CCP have to break the sandbox, because we can." Then you can follow it up with "Tech is hilariously broken too, so we're going to fix that just like the people profiting most have asked." ftfy Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
Frocke
ElitistOps Pandemic Legion
4
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Posted - 2012.06.21 17:41:00 -
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Aww you have more numbers than me! |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8119
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Posted - 2012.06.21 17:42:00 -
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ElQuirko wrote:Got bored of e-peen stroking after reading "super spreadsheet". Tl;dr. Welcome to EVE. Spreadsheet e-peen = best e-peen. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Maggie Maggie
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.06.21 17:42:00 -
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Blawrf McTaggart wrote:we found jade's spy guys
give me digi's job
No no, you keep doing your job. You're quite good at it. On the whole, you probably generate just as many tears as the jewbal, they're just more spread out. |
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Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
1326
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Posted - 2012.06.21 17:42:00 -
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the Y-2ANO of Market PVP |
Captain Pitts
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
0
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Posted - 2012.06.21 17:42:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote:Ituhata Saken wrote:Dearest Market-Interested Space Tycoons,
At downtime today we made an adjustment to the average price of some items in order to curb a situation whereby the average price of an item could be manipulated in order to create a disparity between the value of an item in Isk and its value in Loyalty Point payouts. There will be additional changes in how this system works in the future. We will be monitoring for attempted manipulation of the LP market and will reverse any proceeds deemed to have been obtained through manipulative means. We are watching you. DonGÇÖt be That Guy.
By way of explanation we addressed the manipulation issue but haven't yet completed the investigation into the scope of the abuse. Once that happens I'm pretty sure some people are going to be a bit less smug about the money they made that one time when there was a bank error in their favor and then lost again when the bank fixed the glitch.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UG13u9KKtzE&t=27m9s
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Shelley09
Spiritus Draconis Sicarius Draconis
0
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Posted - 2012.06.21 17:42:00 -
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lol you tards, that incredibly lengthy explanation simply describes what fw been doing with fw started, lol, the only difference is less/more lp cost and more lp available, , and yes we did know you guys were upgrading system from get go, general malita guys don't exactly involve them selves with that type of stuff and thus oblivious, and please keep doing it, we're getting rich to :D, not our problem is ammar are seriously out gunned and continue to be blobbed.
-shelley09 , the guy who states the obvious |
Benny Ohu
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
201
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Posted - 2012.06.21 17:42:00 -
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You, you... you,
you,
Goons |
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CCP Sreegs
C C P C C P Alliance
1492
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Posted - 2012.06.21 17:42:00 -
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Igner Greyhound wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:
I don't really want to say just yet, but basically if you know you're using a system in a certain way in order to gain massive resources, whether you're taking advantage of a design flaw or not and whether we classify it as an exploit or not we're still well within our rights to fix the glitch. I'm not going to comment on what we do or don't do at this point because I don't prejudge the results of investigations.
How about something like "This was technically legit, but the system was biased in a way we didn't intend, so we at CCP have to reverse some of the damage, because we can." Then you can follow it up with "Tech is hilariously broken too, so we're going to fix that next."
If we find the scope of the situation requires remediation then yes that would be something like the statement I would make. :) "Sreegs has juuust edged out Soundwave as my favourite dev." - Meita Way 2012 |
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Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1096
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Posted - 2012.06.21 17:42:00 -
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Maggie Maggie wrote:Blawrf McTaggart wrote:we found jade's spy guys
give me digi's job No no, you keep doing your job. You're quite good at it. On the whole, you probably generate just as many tears as the jewbal, they're just more spread out.
http://i.imgur.com/RGRWh.png |
Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery
1355
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Posted - 2012.06.21 17:43:00 -
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Fuujin wrote:No isk was created by this method. Isk was actually SUNK by this method into FW stores and broker's fees.
All the isk pulled in was from player's hands. I'd half love to see an attempted reversion on this
I'm not even sure there's a way, all the transactions were legit at the time of doing them. Are CCP really planning on giving people ISK back less the value of the manipulated items? What if they got those blown up, and got LP from it?
It's far too entangled, and just negging 300tril from wallets would be insanity as well. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
Aryth
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
164
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Posted - 2012.06.21 17:44:00 -
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To clear up a few misconceptions.
The LP isn't free. just heavily discounted. You still remove ISK from EVE doing this. Quite a LOT of ISK.
Most of the items have very large ISK costs in addition to LP, hundreds of billions of real ISK was removed from the system doing this. Total windfall is in the neighborhood of 5T. Five individuals. The majority of that being me. |
Dramaticus
Goonswarm Federation
98
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Posted - 2012.06.21 17:45:00 -
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They should have sent a poet. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3600
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Posted - 2012.06.21 17:45:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:Lord Zim wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:That means you guys were amongst the last to know ... thats actually quite funny. I'm actually 100% certain you're 100% full of ****. But again, please do keep on pouring on the damage control, you're pretty bad at it. https://twitter.com/EVEAryth/status/215233678631116801any comments? ...it was aryth
aryth tweeted the secret documents
oh god this is even funnier than the lp |
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