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Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
811
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Posted - 2012.06.21 18:20:00 -
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Derus Grobb wrote:Is this an exploit? It doesn't seem like the game should work this way. Its exploiting mechanics, not a bug, which is actually pretty much legit in EVE.
If it was ruled as a bug, then there is likely to be some backlash, but it really wasn't a bug, just a an equation that didn't take into account the amount of resources certain organizations can pour into it. Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
Xeross155
NED-Clan Goonswarm Federation
119
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Posted - 2012.06.21 18:21:00 -
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LoveFromAbove wrote:the goon alliance panel at next years fanfest is going to be p. good i think Depends on how shitfaced Mittens gets |
Fuujin
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
157
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Posted - 2012.06.21 18:22:00 -
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Courthouse wrote:Derus Grobb wrote:Is this an exploit? It doesn't seem like the game should work this way. It's a grey area. They took intended game mechanics to absurd levels.
Anything worth doing is worth doing five trillion times. |
Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
811
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Posted - 2012.06.21 18:23:00 -
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Xeross155 wrote:LoveFromAbove wrote:the goon alliance panel at next years fanfest is going to be p. good i think Depends on how shitfaced Mittens gets Think DNS Black is gonna get him liquored up again? Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
Simetraz
State War Academy Caldari State
390
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Posted - 2012.06.21 18:23:00 -
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Xeross155 wrote:Simetraz wrote:Too long to bother to read, anyone want to give me a one paragraph answer about what this one is supposed to be about ?
CCP messed up new FW mechanics, Goons exploited for trillions if not quadrillions of profit ISK. And billions of LP
Really CCP decided it was an exploit ? DId you report yourselves
EVERYBODY KNOWS |
Xearal
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
300
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Posted - 2012.06.21 18:23:00 -
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OH MAN!
That was brilliant.. seriously Brilliant.
While I seriously hope that this has now been fixed up properly, and that at least -some- of the damage will be repaired, isk destroyed etc.. I feel totally compelled to congratulate you guys on a plan well thought out and executed.
Goons have now officially won Eve. :)
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Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3602
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Posted - 2012.06.21 18:23:00 -
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Roxwar wrote:After reading the actual post and seeing the screenies ect of the final fat wallet amounts, i decided to see how much 'real money' the total made comes out to roughly. Based on it costing -ú22 per 1b if bought via 60day GTC, Those magnificent goons are sitting on approx -ú7,744,000 worth of isk if bought with GTC's. Thats right, thats 7.75 MILLION POUNDS worth of internet spaceship money. or approx 11.6 million dollars . However you look at this, be that for or against, you have to admit, only in EVE can something like this happen, and thats why i love this game. I tip my hat to all you goon geeks that came up with this scheme, bravo fine sirs, BRAVO. you dropped a decimal point in there, i think you did 22 pounds per million not billion |
Abulurd Boniface
Shadow State SpaceMonkey's Alliance
7
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Posted - 2012.06.21 18:24:00 -
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A tip of the hat to the Goons on this one. They have done the heavy lifting, they have done the homework, they used the system.
As I said a long time ago in some other place: it's not up to the player to decide something is an exploit or not. The designers make the game, they ought to know what they're doing.
An analysis was run, a strategy was devised, the system was used the way it was designed. It is not the player's fault the design is broken.
It's actually a backhanded compliment to the game that it attracts people who have the intellectual capacity to find a flaw in all the myriad permutations the game allows for and then set up a system to use that flaw for best effect. -And- have the intelligence to assume that a particular value is a 32-bit value to prevent it from going negative [that would have been funny :-)].
One more reason to love this crazy sandbox. This is where it's at. Here is where the light shines bright.
Kudos to you, guys! |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
424
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Posted - 2012.06.21 18:24:00 -
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can we get a tldr hopefully one with out semitic slurs? PLEX FOR PIZZA! -áThere are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... |
AureoBroker
Etoilles Mortant Ltd. Solyaris Chtonium
44
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Posted - 2012.06.21 18:24:00 -
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Oh, and while to a certain extent this would've been awesome, it'll probably check out in CCP's books. Bans are unlikely, but you'll get everything reversed. And possibly even the LPs you'd legitimately should have. (Seriously, at CCP no one thought about market manipulation? should've been goddamn obvious) |
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Xenuria
Southern Cross Empire Flying Dangerous
537
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Posted - 2012.06.21 18:25:00 -
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Vile rat wrote:You're the greatest sociopath that has ever played eve. Holy ****.. Vile rat!
You actually logged in long enough to post something.
Also kudos, it's not often you goons impress me but when you do it's something like this. You guys did get a head start on this and your involvement pretty much prevented me from taking any meaningful advantage of what my team and I had gleaned in a similar fashion.
OH well...
I recommend you guys spend some time on diablo 3 real money auction house. I am making ridiculous cash with that. It's not to late to make some quick easy cash before gold becomes a purchasable commodity and then the price of everything plummets. Un-ironically, the majority of people working with me on this are from EVE. Will consult for ISK |
Ayeson
Hard Knocks Inc.
39
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Posted - 2012.06.21 18:26:00 -
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Cant post fast enough... Ask me about Rengas-dar, HRDKX's Most recent, groundbreaking, game-changing, wormhole-collapsing research endeavour. |
Dalilus
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
18
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Posted - 2012.06.21 18:26:00 -
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lol, very interesting read. i wonder if ccp will continue to nerf lvl 4/5 missions after reading this......i think we all know the answer, yes they will. |
Zephyr Crystal
ReSpawners
0
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Posted - 2012.06.21 18:27:00 -
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you guys should invest some of that money in building up your public image, for example donating some to me. I would totally post "Goons are awesome!" after that |
Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
811
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Posted - 2012.06.21 18:27:00 -
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AureoBroker wrote:Oh, and while to a certain extent this would've been awesome, it'll probably check out in CCP's books. Bans are unlikely, but you'll get everything reversed. And possibly even the LPs you'd legitimately should have. (Seriously, at CCP no one thought about market manipulation? should've been goddamn obvious) If they reverse the transactions, they break the sandbox for alot of people. Most of the Minmatar militia who had no idea what was happening, for a start.
And if they only target Goons, then they have to deal with the PR nightmare of looking like they have a vendetta against a group of players. Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
811
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Posted - 2012.06.21 18:28:00 -
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Xenuria wrote:Vile rat wrote:You're the greatest sociopath that has ever played eve. Holy ****.. Vile rat! You actually logged in long enough to post something. Also kudos, it's not often you goons impress me but when you do it's something like this. You guys did get a head start on this and your involvement pretty much prevented me from taking any meaningful advantage of what my team and I had gleaned in a similar fashion. OH well... I recommend you guys spend some time on diablo 3 real money auction house. I am making ridiculous cash with that. It's not to late to make some quick easy cash before gold becomes a purchasable commodity and then the price of everything plummets. Un-ironically, the majority of people working with me on this are from EVE. Shoulda gone for the Gallente/Caldari fight. Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
Aja Jinn
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
14
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Posted - 2012.06.21 18:29:00 -
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So, What are you goons going to do with all the trillions of EVE Online space bucks? Will you be wearing special custom made space clothes? Titans for everyone? Gold plated rifters? How will we Know your specialness? |
Courthouse
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
247
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Posted - 2012.06.21 18:29:00 -
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Xenuria wrote:Vile rat wrote:You're the greatest sociopath that has ever played eve. Holy ****.. Vile rat! You actually logged in long enough to post something. Also kudos, it's not often you goons impress me but when you do it's something like this. You guys did get a head start on this and your involvement pretty much prevented me from taking any meaningful advantage of what my team and I had gleaned in a similar fashion. OH well... I recommend you guys spend some time on diablo 3 real money auction house. I am making ridiculous cash with that. It's not to late to make some quick easy cash before gold becomes a purchasable commodity and then the price of everything plummets. Un-ironically, the majority of people working with me on this are from EVE. mercury rising kid drive by post
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Dave stark
Martyr's Vengence Test Alliance Please Ignore
30
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Posted - 2012.06.21 18:29:00 -
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corestwo wrote:We'd argue that there was no exploit (unlike things in the past like the Ferrogel dupe), merely an intended mechanic stretched to a legitimate extreme, but we're clearly biased.
i'd argue the same thing, seems pretty much all developers do this when they let some thing slip through the net. instead of just saying "yeah we missed it, bravo for noticing and making the best of it" they go on a some kind of crusade fueled by their own embarrassment, it happened to blizzard activision with their latest major content patch. |
AdmiralJohn
The Unknown Bar and Pub
6
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Posted - 2012.06.21 18:30:00 -
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When I grow up I will be goons they are my heroes |
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Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
2569
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Posted - 2012.06.21 18:30:00 -
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Pisov viet wrote:Quote: I would strongly suggest, that if you want to hit T5 again. You do it before Amarr grind down the fortress. You guys are still benefiting a great deal from our work. Once they grind down all your 5'ed systems, it's probably game over for you
Confirming this. If nothing else change, minmatar will hold 56 systems after tomorrow's DT, which, once upgraded, will get them just enough to get in T5, maybe one last time before amarr starts ******* them up.
This assumes that "Goon manipulation" is the reason we've held 56 systems in the first place. All the Goons are claiming to do is to have propped up the WZ control level with their invested LP. That doesnt mean that the Amarr are necessarily going to suddenly surge forward now that our "backers" are gone. They lost all their space long before this manipulation ever took place. It's not like the easy money has anything to do with why we are winning the territory war. If Goons were claiming to have rolled hundreds of plexing alts into the militia to grind system captures, that would be a different case entirely, but they're not.
Also, the end of manipulation of the WZ control doesn't make Tier 5 a suddenly impossible achievement. It takes several million LP to invest every one of 56 systems to level V, this is easily earned by a handful of individual pilots investing an afternoon's worth of work. In other words, Goons are *not* the only ones capable of a coordinated pooling of LP upgrades by any means. Vice Secretary of the 7th Council of Stellar Management.
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Maggie Maggie
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.06.21 18:31:00 -
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Tallian Saotome wrote:And if they only target Goons, then they have to deal with the PR nightmare of looking like they have a vendetta against a group of players.
Naa, we're used to it. Sreegs has been ******* us since long before he was Sreegs. |
Aryth
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
186
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Posted - 2012.06.21 18:32:00 -
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Xenuria wrote:Vile rat wrote:You're the greatest sociopath that has ever played eve. Holy ****.. Vile rat! You actually logged in long enough to post something. Also kudos, it's not often you goons impress me but when you do it's something like this. You guys did get a head start on this and your involvement pretty much prevented me from taking any meaningful advantage of what my team and I had gleaned in a similar fashion. OH well... I recommend you guys spend some time on diablo 3 real money auction house. I am making ridiculous cash with that. It's not to late to make some quick easy cash before gold becomes a purchasable commodity and then the price of everything plummets. Un-ironically, the majority of people working with me on this are from EVE.
Some of us already are. Not my cup of tea though. I believe adanthar has made 4 figures already. |
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
419
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Posted - 2012.06.21 18:32:00 -
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Dave stark wrote:corestwo wrote:We'd argue that there was no exploit (unlike things in the past like the Ferrogel dupe), merely an intended mechanic stretched to a legitimate extreme, but we're clearly biased. i'd argue the same thing, seems pretty much all developers do this when they let some thing slip through the net. instead of just saying "yeah we missed it, bravo for noticing and making the best of it" they go on a some kind of crusade fueled by their own embarrassment, it happened to blizzard activision with their latest major content patch. We'll see.
Regardless, we're part of Eve history. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3604
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Posted - 2012.06.21 18:32:00 -
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Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Pisov viet wrote:Quote: I would strongly suggest, that if you want to hit T5 again. You do it before Amarr grind down the fortress. You guys are still benefiting a great deal from our work. Once they grind down all your 5'ed systems, it's probably game over for you
Confirming this. If nothing else change, minmatar will hold 56 systems after tomorrow's DT, which, once upgraded, will get them just enough to get in T5, maybe one last time before amarr starts ******* them up. This assumes that "Goon manipulation" is the reason we've held 56 systems in the first place. All the Goons are claiming to do is to have propped up the WZ control level with their invested LP. That doesnt mean that the Amarr are necessarily going to suddenly surge forward now that our "backers" are gone. They lost all their space long before this manipulation ever took place. It's not like the easy money has anything to do with why we are winning the territory war. If Goons were claiming to have rolled hundreds of plexing alts into the militia to grind system captures, that would be a different case entirely, but they're not. Also, the end of manipulation of the WZ control doesn't make Tier 5 a suddenly impossible achievement. It takes several million LP to invest every one of 56 systems to level V, this is easily earned by a handful of individual pilots investing an afternoon's worth of work. In other words, Goons are *not* the only ones capable of a coordinated pooling of LP upgrades by any means. That is true, minmatar was picked because you were already owning amarr (probably due to speedtanking though). |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2408
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Posted - 2012.06.21 18:32:00 -
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Aja Jinn wrote: So, What are you goons going to do with all the trillions of EVE Online space bucks? Will you be wearing special custom made space clothes? Titans for everyone? Gold plated rifters? How will we Know your specialness?
They could pay for 20 defensive allies in the Inferno 1.1 wardec system for 2 weeks!
The best use for 5 trillion ISK
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom Epic Inferno Wardec Test, Sign up and shoot Goons for free! |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
2569
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Posted - 2012.06.21 18:32:00 -
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Guttripper wrote:This is classic - how quickly CCP was boasting about the changes to Factional Warfare and the destruction of it by the Goons. After reading the opening threads, I can see CCP babbling "Abababababa..." with Goons following up with "Porkchop sandwiches!!!" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1BDM1oBRJ8
LOL @ Goons "destroying Faction Warfare" Vice Secretary of the 7th Council of Stellar Management.
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Courthouse
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
247
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Posted - 2012.06.21 18:35:00 -
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Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Guttripper wrote:This is classic - how quickly CCP was boasting about the changes to Factional Warfare and the destruction of it by the Goons. After reading the opening threads, I can see CCP babbling "Abababababa..." with Goons following up with "Porkchop sandwiches!!!" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1BDM1oBRJ8 LOL @ Goons "destroying Faction Warfare" Nah, more like Goons using FW to make dudes rich as **** while scrublords throw t1 **** at each other and preen about how influential they are. |
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
529
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Posted - 2012.06.21 18:35:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote:Ituhata Saken wrote:Dearest Market-Interested Space Tycoons,
At downtime today we made an adjustment to the average price of some items in order to curb a situation whereby the average price of an item could be manipulated in order to create a disparity between the value of an item in Isk and its value in Loyalty Point payouts. There will be additional changes in how this system works in the future. We will be monitoring for attempted manipulation of the LP market and will reverse any proceeds deemed to have been obtained through manipulative means. We are watching you. DonGÇÖt be That Guy.
By way of explanation we addressed the manipulation issue but haven't yet completed the investigation into the scope of the abuse. Once that happens I'm pretty sure some people are going to be a bit less smug about the money they made that one time when there was a bank error in their favor and then lost again when the bank fixed the glitch.
OP admits that his alliance broke the EULA by exploiting.
Again.
And CCP lets them stay.
And its directly because you cant afford to ban them.
Absolutely disgusting.
Consider me unsubbed.
We now return you to your regularly scheduled **** poast. |
Metal Icarus
xHELLonEARTHx LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
217
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Posted - 2012.06.21 18:35:00 -
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CCP should correct this by undoing this whole scam and blatant abuse.
CCP Sreegs is on the right track. |
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