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![Weaselior Weaselior](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1126017177/portrait?size=64)
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3599
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Posted - 2012.06.21 17:21:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote: Serious question Sreegs, is this kind of thing actually cheating ? (ie against the rules) I read their document a couple of nights ago and though sure it really did blow massive holes through the eve game mechanics in order to make a giant profit - was it actually illegal ?
jade i'm pretty sure you didn't read a document written a day ago several days ago |
![J3ssica Biel J3ssica Biel](https://images.evetech.net/characters/90978098/portrait?size=64)
J3ssica Biel
SUNDERING Goonswarm Federation
15
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Posted - 2012.06.21 17:22:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:Ituhata Saken wrote:Dearest Market-Interested Space Tycoons,
At downtime today we made an adjustment to the average price of some items in order to curb a situation whereby the average price of an item could be manipulated in order to create a disparity between the value of an item in Isk and its value in Loyalty Point payouts. There will be additional changes in how this system works in the future. We will be monitoring for attempted manipulation of the LP market and will reverse any proceeds deemed to have been obtained through manipulative means. We are watching you. DonGÇÖt be That Guy.
By way of explanation we addressed the manipulation issue but haven't yet completed the investigation into the scope of the abuse. Once that happens I'm pretty sure some people are going to be a bit less smug about the money they made that one time when there was a bank error in their favor and then lost again when the bank fixed the glitch. Serious question Sreegs, is this kind of thing actually cheating ? (ie against the rules) I read their document a couple of nights ago and though sure it really did blow massive holes through the eve game mechanics in order to make a giant profit - was it actually illegal ? No |
![Aryndel Vyst Aryndel Vyst](https://images.evetech.net/characters/455025124/portrait?size=64)
Aryndel Vyst
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
389
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Posted - 2012.06.21 17:22:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote:Ituhata Saken wrote:Dearest Market-Interested Space Tycoons,
At downtime today we made an adjustment to the average price of some items in order to curb a situation whereby the average price of an item could be manipulated in order to create a disparity between the value of an item in Isk and its value in Loyalty Point payouts. There will be additional changes in how this system works in the future. We will be monitoring for attempted manipulation of the LP market and will reverse any proceeds deemed to have been obtained through manipulative means. We are watching you. DonGÇÖt be That Guy.
By way of explanation we addressed the manipulation issue but haven't yet completed the investigation into the scope of the abuse. Once that happens I'm pretty sure some people are going to be a bit less smug about the money they made that one time when there was a bank error in their favor and then lost again when the bank fixed the glitch.
It's pretty apt to make a banking analogy since CCP is probably as well managed as our US banks are. |
![Jade Constantine Jade Constantine](https://images.evetech.net/characters/158634209/portrait?size=64)
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2403
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Posted - 2012.06.21 17:22:00 -
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Kyle Myr wrote:Jade Constantine wrote: Posting in a thread where goons helped me make 8.7b isk last saturday for 4 hours play.
(they really ruined my sandbox)
Enjoy FW without us propping you up. We appreciate helping lock all those people into a forever war with us. You did good work.
awww but they are all going to be gone 2 weeks after 1.1 hits and the defensive allies are nerfed. The forever war is going to be a pale shadow of a dead thing.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom Epic Inferno Wardec Test, Sign up and shoot Goons for free! |
![Haquer Haquer](https://images.evetech.net/characters/828649208/portrait?size=64)
Haquer
Vorkuta Inc Goonswarm Federation
51
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Posted - 2012.06.21 17:23:00 -
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Aryndel Vyst wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:Ituhata Saken wrote:Dearest Market-Interested Space Tycoons,
At downtime today we made an adjustment to the average price of some items in order to curb a situation whereby the average price of an item could be manipulated in order to create a disparity between the value of an item in Isk and its value in Loyalty Point payouts. There will be additional changes in how this system works in the future. We will be monitoring for attempted manipulation of the LP market and will reverse any proceeds deemed to have been obtained through manipulative means. We are watching you. DonGÇÖt be That Guy.
By way of explanation we addressed the manipulation issue but haven't yet completed the investigation into the scope of the abuse. Once that happens I'm pretty sure some people are going to be a bit less smug about the money they made that one time when there was a bank error in their favor and then lost again when the bank fixed the glitch. It's pretty apt to make a banking analogy since CCP is probably as well managed as our US banks are. blammo |
![Blawrf McTaggart Blawrf McTaggart](https://images.evetech.net/characters/91118664/portrait?size=64)
Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1094
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Posted - 2012.06.21 17:23:00 -
[96] - Quote
Aryndel Vyst wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:Ituhata Saken wrote:Dearest Market-Interested Space Tycoons,
At downtime today we made an adjustment to the average price of some items in order to curb a situation whereby the average price of an item could be manipulated in order to create a disparity between the value of an item in Isk and its value in Loyalty Point payouts. There will be additional changes in how this system works in the future. We will be monitoring for attempted manipulation of the LP market and will reverse any proceeds deemed to have been obtained through manipulative means. We are watching you. DonGÇÖt be That Guy.
By way of explanation we addressed the manipulation issue but haven't yet completed the investigation into the scope of the abuse. Once that happens I'm pretty sure some people are going to be a bit less smug about the money they made that one time when there was a bank error in their favor and then lost again when the bank fixed the glitch. It's pretty apt to make a banking analogy since CCP is probably as well managed as our US banks are.
iceburn |
![Harataka Harataka](https://images.evetech.net/characters/505067311/portrait?size=64)
Harataka
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.06.21 17:23:00 -
[97] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:
Serious question Sreegs, is this kind of thing actually cheating ? (ie against the rules) I read their document a couple of nights ago and though sure it really did blow massive holes through the eve game mechanics in order to make a giant profit - was it actually illegal ?
Sure you did.
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![Ituhata Saken Ituhata Saken](https://images.evetech.net/characters/92000107/portrait?size=64)
Ituhata Saken
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
328
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Posted - 2012.06.21 17:23:00 -
[98] - Quote
Alexzandvar Douglass wrote:This is like when the Villain in the movie spends so much time broadcasting his success it leads to his downfall.
I'd be a great villain, I'd shoot the hero in the head 3 times once I captured him instead of prattling on about my superiority. Then I'll cut of his head and mount it on a spike outside my evil lair as a warning to other superheroes. So close... |
![Treyan Argund Treyan Argund](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1671145879/portrait?size=64)
Treyan Argund
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
17
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Posted - 2012.06.21 17:23:00 -
[99] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:Ituhata Saken wrote:Dearest Market-Interested Space Tycoons,
At downtime today we made an adjustment to the average price of some items in order to curb a situation whereby the average price of an item could be manipulated in order to create a disparity between the value of an item in Isk and its value in Loyalty Point payouts. There will be additional changes in how this system works in the future. We will be monitoring for attempted manipulation of the LP market and will reverse any proceeds deemed to have been obtained through manipulative means. We are watching you. DonGÇÖt be That Guy.
By way of explanation we addressed the manipulation issue but haven't yet completed the investigation into the scope of the abuse. Once that happens I'm pretty sure some people are going to be a bit less smug about the money they made that one time when there was a bank error in their favor and then lost again when the bank fixed the glitch. Serious question Sreegs, is this kind of thing actually cheating ? (ie against the rules) I read their document a couple of nights ago and though sure it really did blow massive holes through the eve game mechanics in order to make a giant profit - was it actually illegal ?
Quoting for posterity, Jade Constantine literally owns a time machine
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![Walter Stine Walter Stine](https://images.evetech.net/characters/90175052/portrait?size=64)
Walter Stine
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
126
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Posted - 2012.06.21 17:23:00 -
[100] - Quote
Weaselior wrote:Jade Constantine wrote: Serious question Sreegs, is this kind of thing actually cheating ? (ie against the rules) I read their document a couple of nights ago and though sure it really did blow massive holes through the eve game mechanics in order to make a giant profit - was it actually illegal ?
jade i'm pretty sure you didn't read a document written a day ago several days ago
I believe he was referring to a psychic reading.
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![CCP Sreegs CCP Sreegs](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1840703239/portrait?size=64)
CCP Sreegs
C C P C C P Alliance
1487
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Posted - 2012.06.21 17:23:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:Ituhata Saken wrote:Dearest Market-Interested Space Tycoons,
At downtime today we made an adjustment to the average price of some items in order to curb a situation whereby the average price of an item could be manipulated in order to create a disparity between the value of an item in Isk and its value in Loyalty Point payouts. There will be additional changes in how this system works in the future. We will be monitoring for attempted manipulation of the LP market and will reverse any proceeds deemed to have been obtained through manipulative means. We are watching you. DonGÇÖt be That Guy.
By way of explanation we addressed the manipulation issue but haven't yet completed the investigation into the scope of the abuse. Once that happens I'm pretty sure some people are going to be a bit less smug about the money they made that one time when there was a bank error in their favor and then lost again when the bank fixed the glitch. Serious question Sreegs, is this kind of thing actually cheating ? (ie against the rules) I read their document a couple of nights ago and though sure it really did blow massive holes through the eve game mechanics in order to make a giant profit - was it actually illegal ?
I don't really want to say just yet, but basically if you know you're using a system in a certain way in order to gain massive resources, whether you're taking advantage of a design flaw or not and whether we classify it as an exploit or not we're still well within our rights to fix the glitch. I'm not going to comment on what we do or don't do at this point because I don't prejudge the results of investigations. "Sreegs has juuust edged out Soundwave as my favourite dev." - Meita Way 2012 |
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![Lord Zim Lord Zim](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1121024806/portrait?size=64)
Lord Zim
886
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Posted - 2012.06.21 17:24:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:I read their document a couple of nights ago You "read our document", eh? A few days ago, eh?
I guess that means you didn't actually make 8.7b, then, since that document was literally released 1 hour ago. |
![Dramaticus Dramaticus](https://images.evetech.net/characters/286064894/portrait?size=64)
Dramaticus
Goonswarm Federation
98
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Posted - 2012.06.21 17:25:00 -
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Ituhata Saken wrote:Alexzandvar Douglass wrote:This is like when the Villain in the movie spends so much time broadcasting his success it leads to his downfall.
I'd be a great villain, I'd shoot the hero in the head 3 times once I captured him instead of prattling on about my superiority. Then I'll cut of his head and mount it on a spike outside my evil lair as a warning to other superheroes.
We killed the villains(pubbies) but occasionally you get struck by lightning when doing the **** yeah dance while holding a golf club. |
![Jade Constantine Jade Constantine](https://images.evetech.net/characters/158634209/portrait?size=64)
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2403
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Posted - 2012.06.21 17:25:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:Jade Constantine wrote: Serious question Sreegs, is this kind of thing actually cheating ? (ie against the rules) I read their document a couple of nights ago and though sure it really did blow massive holes through the eve game mechanics in order to make a giant profit - was it actually illegal ?
jade i'm pretty sure you didn't read a document written a day ago several days ago
okay it would have been in the early hours of wed morning so lets say so a day and a half ago (or two nights) - which in english means "a couple" ... sometimes Weasoliar you are so nitpicky its positively cringworthy.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom Epic Inferno Wardec Test, Sign up and shoot Goons for free! |
![Pr1ncess Alia Pr1ncess Alia](https://images.evetech.net/characters/500136427/portrait?size=64)
Pr1ncess Alia
Perkone Caldari State
172
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Posted - 2012.06.21 17:25:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote:Ituhata Saken wrote:Dearest Market-Interested Space Tycoons,
At downtime today we made an adjustment to the average price of some items in order to curb a situation whereby the average price of an item could be manipulated in order to create a disparity between the value of an item in Isk and its value in Loyalty Point payouts. There will be additional changes in how this system works in the future. We will be monitoring for attempted manipulation of the LP market and will reverse any proceeds deemed to have been obtained through manipulative means. We are watching you. DonGÇÖt be That Guy.
By way of explanation we addressed the manipulation issue but haven't yet completed the investigation into the scope of the abuse. Once that happens I'm pretty sure some people are going to be a bit less smug about the money they made that one time when there was a bank error in their favor and then lost again when the bank fixed the glitch.
Good to hear.
I pat the goons on the back for figuring out how to break the game, but outside of bragging rights on 'look what I did' this seems like it was an absolutely stupid use of resources.
If anyone thought CCP would turn a blind eye and treat billions, hundreds of billions or more isk injection as a 'oops water over the dam, better luck next time' situation they are truly naive.
-Burn billions or more of assets instead of opening a bug report to point out a broken game mechanic? CHECK
-laugh at the terribad minmatar for flying around looking for pew instead of doing really cool smart stuff like violating the EULA drawing CCP's attention and ire? CHECK
-backpedal and and say 'we didn't want that isk anyways' and tell everyone how it's a jersey *ahem* goon thing and no one will understand? PENDING
how the mighty have fallen. Goons used to be so edgy and relevant, now the best they can do is gloat about post patch bugs they capitalized on for a couple weeks.
pretty fail guys ![Straight](https://forums-archive.eveonline.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_straight.png) think of what isk you could have made on the long term with the assets you threw at this (and CCP would have actually let you keep it)
100billion in my wallet cheating that i'll eventually lose? Or 1billion in my wallet I got legit that i can now use to buy ships and pew?
I believe the old saying is "a bird in the hand is better than two in the bush"
oh well, one of the best lessons in life is figuring out the difference between when you can do a thing and when you should do a thing |
![The Slayer The Slayer](https://images.evetech.net/characters/176845096/portrait?size=64)
The Slayer
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6
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Posted - 2012.06.21 17:25:00 -
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This just in manipulating market prices is now an exploit. You ebil goonies. |
![Kyle Myr Kyle Myr](https://images.evetech.net/characters/90613965/portrait?size=64)
Kyle Myr
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
289
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Posted - 2012.06.21 17:25:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:Ituhata Saken wrote:Dearest Market-Interested Space Tycoons,
At downtime today we made an adjustment to the average price of some items in order to curb a situation whereby the average price of an item could be manipulated in order to create a disparity between the value of an item in Isk and its value in Loyalty Point payouts. There will be additional changes in how this system works in the future. We will be monitoring for attempted manipulation of the LP market and will reverse any proceeds deemed to have been obtained through manipulative means. We are watching you. DonGÇÖt be That Guy.
By way of explanation we addressed the manipulation issue but haven't yet completed the investigation into the scope of the abuse. Once that happens I'm pretty sure some people are going to be a bit less smug about the money they made that one time when there was a bank error in their favor and then lost again when the bank fixed the glitch. Serious question Sreegs, is this kind of thing actually cheating ? (ie against the rules) I read their document a couple of nights ago and though sure it really did blow massive holes through the eve game mechanics in order to make a giant profit - was it actually illegal ?
Jade, lying is against the TOS. You're not good enough to have spies in the group that did this. |
![Fuujin Fuujin](https://images.evetech.net/characters/145297087/portrait?size=64)
Fuujin
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
152
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Posted - 2012.06.21 17:25:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote: The forever war is going to be a pale shadow of a dead thing.
No, no...that's just your alliance. |
![Lord Zim Lord Zim](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1121024806/portrait?size=64)
Lord Zim
886
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Posted - 2012.06.21 17:26:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:okay it would have been in the early hours of wed morning so lets say so a day and a half ago (or two nights) - which in english means "a couple" ... sometimes Weasoliar you are so nitpicky its positively cringworthy. Liar, liar, pants (or in your case, skirt) on fire. |
![J3ssica Biel J3ssica Biel](https://images.evetech.net/characters/90978098/portrait?size=64)
J3ssica Biel
SUNDERING Goonswarm Federation
15
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Posted - 2012.06.21 17:27:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:Weaselior wrote:Jade Constantine wrote: Serious question Sreegs, is this kind of thing actually cheating ? (ie against the rules) I read their document a couple of nights ago and though sure it really did blow massive holes through the eve game mechanics in order to make a giant profit - was it actually illegal ?
jade i'm pretty sure you didn't read a document written a day ago several days ago okay it would have been in the early hours of wed morning so lets say so a day and a half ago (or two nights) - which in english means "a couple" ... sometimes Weasoliar you are so nitpicky its positively cringworthy. Its been an hour |
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![Harataka Harataka](https://images.evetech.net/characters/505067311/portrait?size=64)
Harataka
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.06.21 17:27:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:
okay it would have been in the early hours of wed morning so lets say so a day and a half ago (or two nights) - which in english means "a couple" ... sometimes Weasoliar you are so nitpicky its positively cringworthy.
Try again? This is getting pretty funny. |
![Joan en Bauldry Joan en Bauldry](https://images.evetech.net/characters/92160834/portrait?size=64)
Joan en Bauldry
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.06.21 17:27:00 -
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So some smart people with resources gamed the system and got more resources.
Eh, nothing wrong with using your brains...and a spreadsheet. |
![Jade Constantine Jade Constantine](https://images.evetech.net/characters/158634209/portrait?size=64)
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2403
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Posted - 2012.06.21 17:28:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:I read their document a couple of nights ago You "read our document", eh? A few days ago, eh? I guess that means you didn't actually make 8.7b, then, since that document was literally released 1 hour ago.
why are you goons incapable of understand that a couple = two whereas few and several tends to mean 3+
The original leak of your document was in the early hours of wed morning FYI
And for reference ... I made my isk by cashing out my loyalty points at the minmatar store when it hit tier 5 on saturday quite legally turning my points into datacores and fleet stabbers. At that point I had no idea whatsoever about your shennagins - it was just happy coincidence.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom Epic Inferno Wardec Test, Sign up and shoot Goons for free! |
![Mikelii Mikelii](https://images.evetech.net/characters/776580381/portrait?size=64)
Mikelii
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
11
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Posted - 2012.06.21 17:28:00 -
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Darius Johnson for CEO.
Never not ******* goons. |
![Blawrf McTaggart Blawrf McTaggart](https://images.evetech.net/characters/91118664/portrait?size=64)
Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1096
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Posted - 2012.06.21 17:29:00 -
[115] - Quote
Lord Zim wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:okay it would have been in the early hours of wed morning so lets say so a day and a half ago (or two nights) - which in english means "a couple" ... sometimes Weasoliar you are so nitpicky its positively cringworthy. Liar, liar, pants (or in your case, skirt) on fire.
depends on what he's roleplaying as |
![Tomytronic Tomytronic](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1207705487/portrait?size=64)
Tomytronic
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
175
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Posted - 2012.06.21 17:29:00 -
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so Jade, please tell us more about how intimately you are involved with secretive goon operations
because we'd just love to hear it :allears: |
![Hans Jagerblitzen Hans Jagerblitzen](https://images.evetech.net/characters/310590714/portrait?size=64)
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
2566
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Posted - 2012.06.21 17:29:00 -
[117] - Quote
I am Jack's utter lack of surprise. ![Lol](https://forums-archive.eveonline.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_lol.png) Vice Secretary of the 7th Council of Stellar Management.
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![Maggie Maggie Maggie Maggie](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1385196565/portrait?size=64)
Maggie Maggie
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.06.21 17:29:00 -
[118] - Quote
CCP Sreegs wrote: I don't really want to say just yet, but basically if you know you're using a system in a certain way in order to gain massive resources, whether you're taking advantage of a design flaw or not and whether we classify it as an exploit or not we're still well within our rights to fix the glitch. I'm not going to comment on what we do or don't do at this point because I don't prejudge the results of investigations.
Tech moons are a design flaw. Everyone has known it for years. When you're ready to classify it as an exploit, let us know, k? |
![ElQuirko ElQuirko](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1770044067/portrait?size=64)
ElQuirko
Protus Correction Facility Inc.
750
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Posted - 2012.06.21 17:29:00 -
[119] - Quote
Got bored of e-peen stroking after reading "super spreadsheet". Tl;dr. CISPA - Readin' your secret corptheft mails since 2012 |
![Ituhata Saken Ituhata Saken](https://images.evetech.net/characters/92000107/portrait?size=64)
Ituhata Saken
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
328
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Posted - 2012.06.21 17:29:00 -
[120] - Quote
Dramaticus wrote:Ituhata Saken wrote:Alexzandvar Douglass wrote:This is like when the Villain in the movie spends so much time broadcasting his success it leads to his downfall.
I'd be a great villain, I'd shoot the hero in the head 3 times once I captured him instead of prattling on about my superiority. Then I'll cut of his head and mount it on a spike outside my evil lair as a warning to other superheroes. We killed the villains(pubbies) but occasionally you get struck by lightning when doing the **** yeah dance while holding a golf club.
See if you mounted the pubbies heads to the ends of the club that would have added at least some electrical resistance, put on your dancing platform sneakers and you're pretty well insulated. So close... |
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