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Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.06.24 06:57:00 -
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Antisocial Malkavian wrote:So Ive heard, its just Masquerade. He is a Ventrue
I lol'ed at this! |
15th Century Portrait
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
8
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Posted - 2012.06.24 07:04:00 -
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after this many pages, is there anything left to say?
except. p.e.n.i.s. |
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
491
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Posted - 2012.06.24 07:15:00 -
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Maestro Antollare wrote:pretend this is any other game - i find an item i can buy from an npc that sells to that same npc for more than i originally paid to buy it, use that to max out my gold, isk, w/e, then tell the devs about it
yes, the devs should have seen it, but it was obviously not intended to do what i used it for
Depends on the devs. I've heard exactly what you described (well, close) happened in EQ 2 or something, and SOE flipped out and banned. On the other hand, I've heard something like it happened in LOTR Online and the devs there went "yep, our fault" and simply fixed it and moved on.
CCP used to be like the latter example.
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: You can build a skyscraper with perfect sub-components, perfect materials, in the best place and... bork the structural calculations so it crumbles after 2 weeks. Individual parts worked exactly as intended but now it's a pile of dirt.
I know what you're trying to say, mostly because you've said it again and again, but...your example sucks, because if you "bork the structural calculations" then individual parts were not, in fact, working as intended. . |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1425
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Posted - 2012.06.24 07:16:00 -
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Mortimer Civeri wrote:[quote=Cahvus] So now we are supposed to be mind-readers of CCP devs to figure out what they intended? We had the Dev blog, we had it on SISI, we had people questioning/telling devs on the forums, everything pointed to the fact that this was, what was intended. Goons figured it out and Goons capitalized on it, I say good for them. Everything they did was within the rules and mechanics of the game, as presented to us. Now that this type of manipulation is considered an exploit, it shouldn't happen any more, end of story. Give them their stuff back and lets move on, the market will work itself out eventually in a few years.
Do you come from another planet? No, you come from those countries with no moral values where "IF I CAN DO IT, I WILL DO IT" until somebody physically removes you the ability to do something OBVIOUS to be an abuse.
You are insulting everybody's intelligence if you really believe that it takes to be mind readers for not understanding this whole plan was a giant abuse and not just some innocent coincidence.
The very "the market will work itself out eventually in a few years" is the symbol of the immeasurable damage done to a whole video game made for the hundreds of thousands, who will be adversely affected for years (if not rolled back). It's is also a massive CCP investment loss over a feature (FW) they worked for half a year to revamp just to see it made into a farce. Sure CCP bears its good blame on that, but still, the damage was done on them, with active purpose to damage them.
In every single other MMO, even the sandbox ones, they'd have been insta-permabanned for much, much less than this.
So stop tickling CCP's patience, because they can do whatever, wherever and whenever on all the involved players possessions and playing rights. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
897
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Posted - 2012.06.24 07:17:00 -
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15th Century Portrait wrote:after this many pages, is there anything left to say?
except. p.e.n.i.s. How many peeps did it take to make that wig?!? He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
Graic Gabtar
The Lemon Party
292
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Posted - 2012.06.24 07:18:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Graic Gabtar wrote:Earthquake.
Shame on you to offend those who died and those who now are homeless just to show snarky on the internets. Graic Gabtar wrote: An exploit is when you magically create something out of thin air like your 100M dollars - it didn't exist.
This wealth wasn't created by magic. There was a hypothesis, a plan and then its execution that worked legally within the bounds of CCP's game mechanics. CCP have already confirmed nothing that this so called "Jewbal" did was wrong.
I don't know in which alternate universe you live, but in mine ATM are pre-loaded with physical bank notes therefore they don't create them "out of thin air" and they do exist. The using of those buttons to take out tons of money was also an hypothesis, a plan and its execution and worked legally (ATM does not get forced, just "used" in its functionality). Also, CCP in the person of their official security personnel confirmed it's an abuse. From Ab-usus that is use inappropriately. Does not mean it's wrong, it means it was used wrong. Hopefully CCP Sreegs will see your misrepresentation of his words and act accordingly on your posting rights, including for your sad joking on a disgrace happened in my country. Yours have been the best tears in this thread so far by a country mile.
You're the one bringing your crappy real life into the world of EVE. My personal feelings are that I don't rate some of your old crumbling buildings over starving African babies so just deal with it pretty girl.
I can see you are struggling with this but whether the ATM was full or empty is irrelevant and your analogy sucks accordingly.
They didn't magic an account balance, nor trick a device into spitting out endless notes. They used all the in-game mechanics available to them.
Besides outplay CCP hubris I'm still failing to see what these people did besides realize CCP fail at basis statistics.
I'm seeing a CCP staffer lash out in all sorts of ways, preempt their "investigation" and even describe the words of a colleague as good for toilet paper. Hardly encouraging a rational view.
I will make one prediction though. I doubt this "investigation" will examine CCP's own failings at acknowledging the warning signs. It will simply be dedicated to drafting new rules.
So instead of sitting here my little cupcake and making threats about me being banned why don't you get off your high horse, go outside and do something for all those ten or so people who lost garden gnomes instead of lecturing people in computer games about the inhumanity of people.
******* hypocrite. EVE shall be purged by fire - please Gods let them ALL burn in Jita. |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1179
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Posted - 2012.06.24 07:21:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:The very "the market will work itself out eventually in a few years" is the symbol of the immeasurable damage done to a whole video game made for the hundreds of thousands, who will be adversely affected for years (if not rolled back). It's is also a massive CCP investment loss over a feature (FW) they worked for half a year to revamp just to see it made into a farce. Sure CCP bears its good blame on that, but still, the damage was done on them, with active purpose to damage them.
In every single other MMO, even the sandbox ones, they'd have been insta-permabanned for much, much less than this.
So stop tickling CCP's patience, because they can do whatever, wherever and whenever on all the involved players possessions and playing rights.
so you're saying that market manipulation should be bannable a rogue goon |
Cerebral Wolf
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.06.24 07:22:00 -
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Maestro Antollare wrote:Cerebral Wolf wrote:Whats with the stupid bank analogy you all need to share? Can't you use your own special snowflake one or can you not think of your own?...
ok, sure let's say you read the patch notes for your favorite game and notice an interesting loophole in the patch notes you test and confirm your discovery in game, and use it to accumulate a significant amount of wealth the devs discover the loophole, and patch it you find the patch didn't fully correct the loophole, and adjust your plan to compensate after you're tired of using the loophole, you make a bombastic post on the forums telling the devs and other players what idiots they are for not seeing it sooner tears flow in copious amounts
Thats not an analogy is it?...thats an explanation.
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
By that logic when we get bored and blow each other up in VFK knowing we'll make a profit on insurance its an exploit.
oh come on you CANT ACTUALLY be that stupid, quit pretending
you REALLY cant tell the difference? REALLY?
How did you get past the learning curve?
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Eve has a learning curve?
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Antisocial Malkavian
Aliastra Gallente Federation
162
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Posted - 2012.06.24 07:23:00 -
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corestwo wrote:Maestro Antollare wrote:pretend this is any other game - i find an item i can buy from an npc that sells to that same npc for more than i originally paid to buy it, use that to max out my gold, isk, w/e, then tell the devs about it
yes, the devs should have seen it, but it was obviously not intended to do what i used it for Depends on the devs. I've heard exactly what you described (well, close) happened in EQ 2 or something, and SOE flipped out and banned. On the other hand, I've heard something like it happened in LOTR Online and the devs there went "yep, our fault" and simply fixed it and moved on. CCP used to be like the latter example.
Thought CCP USED to be HTFU and HTFU here would what they say to you after you lose 5 tril to exploiting.
Cerebral Wolf wrote:Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
By that logic when we get bored and blow each other up in VFK knowing we'll make a profit on insurance its an exploit.
oh come on you CANT ACTUALLY be that stupid, quit pretending you REALLY cant tell the difference? REALLY? How did you get past the learning curve?
Eve has a learning curve? [/quote] yeah historically too:
http://www.google.com/search?q=eve+learning+curve&hl=en&safe=off&prmd=imvns&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=lsDmT9_gAobk9ASgvNm-AQ&sqi=2&ved=0CGAQsAQ&biw=1920&bih=898
theres a whole lot of that one graph lol http://gizmodo.com/5913381/season-your-food-with-salt-from-real-human-tears
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Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
897
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Posted - 2012.06.24 07:31:00 -
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Antisocial Malkavian wrote:technically you Goons said it first some 20 or so pages ago Look let's look at this from the other angle OK?
99.44%* of Goon transactions purveying anything faction are scams.
Yet in this "exploit" the customers got real merchandise every single time.
And they gladly gave their money for the items, because they were quite affordable.
A large amount of ISK was also destroyed.
What's the problem here, again? He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
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Antisocial Malkavian
Aliastra Gallente Federation
162
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Posted - 2012.06.24 07:34:00 -
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Darth Gustav wrote:Antisocial Malkavian wrote:technically you Goons said it first some 20 or so pages ago Look let's look at this from the other angle OK? 99.44%* of Goon transactions purveying anything faction are scams. Yet in this "exploit" the customers got real merchandise every single time. And they gladly gave their money for the items, because they were quite affordable.A large amount of ISK was also destroyed. What's the problem here, again? [edit: * That might be the percentage of pure soap in Ivory, I'm not sure.]
Never said there WAS a problem (well not in that quote anyways) I pointed out I thin the first people to talk about market manipulation being illegal now or bannable or something (its 3 am im tired) WERE the Goons in this thread lol
As far as the whole issue goes I go with what CCP says. They made the game, they should know what they intended etc. http://gizmodo.com/5913381/season-your-food-with-salt-from-real-human-tears
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Cerebral Wolf
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.06.24 07:34:00 -
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Darth Gustav wrote:Antisocial Malkavian wrote:technically you Goons said it first some 20 or so pages ago Look let's look at this from the other angle OK? 99.44%* of Goon transactions purveying anything faction are scams. Yet in this "exploit" the customers got real merchandise every single time. And they gladly gave their money for the items, because they were quite affordable.A large amount of ISK was also destroyed. What's the problem here, again? CCP having egg on their face i think. [edit: * That might be the percentage of pure soap in Ivory, I'm not sure.]
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Antisocial Malkavian
Aliastra Gallente Federation
163
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Posted - 2012.06.24 07:36:00 -
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Cerebral Wolf wrote:
CCP having egg on their face i think.
Yeah that, plus the bragging and rubbing their faces IN it. Straw that broke the camel's back and all imo
It is extremely funny how sperging publord you guys get over a slap on the wrist. every time http://gizmodo.com/5913381/season-your-food-with-salt-from-real-human-tears
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Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
897
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Posted - 2012.06.24 07:36:00 -
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Antisocial Malkavian wrote:Darth Gustav wrote:Antisocial Malkavian wrote:technically you Goons said it first some 20 or so pages ago Look let's look at this from the other angle OK? 99.44%* of Goon transactions purveying anything faction are scams. Yet in this "exploit" the customers got real merchandise every single time. And they gladly gave their money for the items, because they were quite affordable.A large amount of ISK was also destroyed. What's the problem here, again? [edit: * That might be the percentage of pure soap in Ivory, I'm not sure.] Never said there WAS a problem (well not in that quote anyways) I pointed out I thin the first people to talk about market manipulation being illegal now or bannable or something (its 3 am im tired) WERE the Goons in this thread lol As far as the whole issue goes I go with what CCP says. They made the game, they should know what they intended etc. Fair enough. I just thought that this frame of reference at least bore mentioning. After all, it's true.
These legions of people were actual happy Goonswarm customers. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
Betrinna Cantis
14
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Posted - 2012.06.24 07:37:00 -
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Cygnet Lythanea wrote:Antisocial Malkavian wrote: Yeah, but I've found goons and test in World of Tanks as well. They likey their tank pew pew. WoT is awesome. I kill everyone Goon or no Goon. Nice break from the Bulls#!t here sometimes... Alts have been changed to protect the Innocent. You may have mistaken me for someone who cares..... |
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
492
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Posted - 2012.06.24 07:38:00 -
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Darth Gustav wrote:Antisocial Malkavian wrote:technically you Goons said it first some 20 or so pages ago Look let's look at this from the other angle OK? 99.44%* of Goon transactions purveying anything faction are scams. Yet in this "exploit" the customers got real merchandise every single time. And they gladly gave their money for the items, because they were quite affordable.A large amount of ISK was also destroyed. What's the problem here, again?
Ahem. While I appreciate your attempts to defend us with this analogy, I find it distasteful as I was formerly the largest contract dealer of 0.0 faction goods in Eve, and none of my contracts for faction goods were scams. How dare you impunge my honour, good sir! . |
Antisocial Malkavian
Aliastra Gallente Federation
163
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Posted - 2012.06.24 07:40:00 -
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Darth Gustav wrote:actual happy Goonswarm customers.
idiot and their money are soon parted
well more specifically it should be idiots that WILL soon be parted with their money but you know what they did wrong on this? EXACTLY what you said.
Im betting HAD they scammed the **** out of those marks, the marks would have effectively gone "eh, its Goons whatta you expect" instead of "rabblerabblerabble"
http://gizmodo.com/5913381/season-your-food-with-salt-from-real-human-tears
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Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
897
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Posted - 2012.06.24 07:43:00 -
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corestwo wrote:Darth Gustav wrote:Antisocial Malkavian wrote:technically you Goons said it first some 20 or so pages ago Look let's look at this from the other angle OK? 99.44%* of Goon transactions purveying anything faction are scams. Yet in this "exploit" the customers got real merchandise every single time. And they gladly gave their money for the items, because they were quite affordable.A large amount of ISK was also destroyed. What's the problem here, again? Ahem. While I appreciate your attempts to defend us with this analogy, I find it distasteful as I was formerly the largest contract dealer of 0.0 faction goods in Eve, and none of my contracts for faction goods were scams. How dare you impunge my honour, good sir! I apologize, but you must admit your fellow...ahem...Goon competitors had a lower cost of doing business, even if it meant their...um...volume...was um...slightly lower than yours. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1427
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Posted - 2012.06.24 07:44:00 -
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Darth Gustav wrote:Your comparison is flawed. The "Jewbal" built the economic equivalent of a warp drive with the economic equivalent of tinker toys.
That's why everybody's so mad.
Economic warp fields shouldn't be possible with Viking-made formulae. Icelandic Calculus is champion.
No everybody are not so mad at all.
This is my post in this very thread: "BRAVO GOONS!".
But now that they proved their point and shown CCP they outplayed them, look at the thing for what it is (an abuse) and undo the damage done on the game. They got their "medal" and media e-fame, along with the privilege for not being banned that's all the prize they should keep. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
897
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Posted - 2012.06.24 07:49:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Darth Gustav wrote:Your comparison is flawed. The "Jewbal" built the economic equivalent of a warp drive with the economic equivalent of tinker toys.
That's why everybody's so mad.
Economic warp fields shouldn't be possible with Viking-made formulae. Icelandic Calculus is champion. No everybody are not so mad at all. This is my post in this very thread: "BRAVO GOONS!". But now that they proved their point and shown CCP they outplayed them, look at the thing for what it is (an abuse) and undo the damage done on the game. They got their "medal" and media e-fame, along with the privilege for not being banned that's all the prize they should keep. I want you to tell me who, exactly, was abused here. Who didn't have the same opportunity to leverage advertised mechanics?
To be abuse it has to be an unfair advantage. The mechanic was advertised.
Was it the people who got the cheaper faction modules? Were they abused?
Was it Beta Testers who commented to CCP about the vulnerability of the system as-developed?
What was abused here? I can't see anything that wasn't "working as intended" if we're being totally honest about it.
The system was designed to do what it did. When applied, the system worked as predicted by its design parameters.
This was no exploit. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1427
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Posted - 2012.06.24 07:49:00 -
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corestwo wrote: Depends on the devs. I've heard exactly what you described (well, close) happened in EQ 2 or something, and SOE flipped out and banned. On the other hand, I've heard something like it happened in LOTR Online and the devs there went "yep, our fault" and simply fixed it and moved on.
CCP are indeed saying "yep, our fault" and are simply fixing it and moving on. I still see you posting so they did not ban hammer you or anything, just undoing the game damage.
corestwo wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: You can build a skyscraper with perfect sub-components, perfect materials, in the best place and... bork the structural calculations so it crumbles after 2 weeks. Individual parts worked exactly as intended but now it's a pile of dirt.
I know what you're trying to say, mostly because you've said it again and again, but...your example sucks, because if you "bork the structural calculations" then individual parts were not, in fact, working as intended.
Yes they were individually working as intended, it's just the architect who fat fingered his calculator and did not type a zero so that one of the perfect individual parts put in there were not sufficient to keep the building up. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1427
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Posted - 2012.06.24 07:57:00 -
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Graic Gabtar wrote:Yours have been the best tears in this thread so far by a country mile.
What a tool we got here, eh?
Graic Gabtar wrote: You're the one bringing your crappy real life into the world of EVE. My personal feelings are that I don't rate some of your old crumbling buildings over starving African babies so just deal with it pretty girl.
It just happens that people actually lived in these buildings and died. And in the next quakes, workers who went to work in factories (some warehouses were 3 years old) had the building crash on them and kill them as well.
Graic Gabtar wrote: So instead of sitting here my little cupcake and making threats about me being banned why don't you get off your high horse, go outside and do something for all those ten or so people who lost garden gnomes instead of lecturing people in computer games about the inhumanity of people.
******* hypocrite.
I have gone to do something for those more than ten people who DIED but I am not going to fill the media about it. So keep the hypocrite and the rest of your offensive drivel for yourself. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
897
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Posted - 2012.06.24 07:58:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:corestwo wrote: Depends on the devs. I've heard exactly what you described (well, close) happened in EQ 2 or something, and SOE flipped out and banned. On the other hand, I've heard something like it happened in LOTR Online and the devs there went "yep, our fault" and simply fixed it and moved on.
CCP are indeed saying "yep, our fault" and are simply fixing it and moving on. I still see you posting so they did not ban hammer you or anything, just undoing the game damage. corestwo wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: You can build a skyscraper with perfect sub-components, perfect materials, in the best place and... bork the structural calculations so it crumbles after 2 weeks. Individual parts worked exactly as intended but now it's a pile of dirt.
I know what you're trying to say, mostly because you've said it again and again, but...your example sucks, because if you "bork the structural calculations" then individual parts were not, in fact, working as intended. Yes they were individually working as intended, it's just the architect who fat fingered his calculator and did not type a zero so that one of the perfect individual parts put in there were not sufficient to keep the building up. Vaerah, they worked correctly not just taken separately, but exactly within deisgn parameters when combined, as well.
I can't stress this enough: This only worked because the "Jewbal" developed a model based explicitly on CCP's design parameters precisely as stated in various press releases. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
Haikato Saraki
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
14
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Posted - 2012.06.24 08:00:00 -
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Aryth wrote:CCP has now gone and nuked a ton of assets on our accounts. Meaning, we are losing wealth we had previous to this. Wow. But the message is clear. If you want to abuse something, you do not report it. As someone who tried to work with CCP, my advice to anyone in the future is. Don't.
this has been stated and restated several times in this threadanaught but all it really boils down to is; "we weren't as evil as we could have been." ...which as far as legal defences go is only slightly better than "the b!tch had it coming."
If it had been Jade instead of you who had found and abused this, would you seriously try to tell me you would be lobbying as hard for them to keep the assets gained from this exploit? Honestly, seems to me that the only reason the involved "jewbal" haven't been banned is BECAUSE they brought it to CCP's attention. I sincerely hope that you DO try to keep it hush-hush the next time you find something like this because when CCP uncovers that future exploit your gona lose a lot more than you did today.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1427
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Posted - 2012.06.24 08:02:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote: so you're saying that market manipulation should be bannable
I would not, I actually applaud at their genius.
But the game companies usually don't like this kind of genius played on their products, so - regardless of me or you liking it or not, they go very heavy handed.
Point in case, in WAR in the last months there have been:
- Mass people banning because they discovered they could get an health buff thru a pet by going in certain zones. Developers used a flawed formula... rings you something similar?
- Mass people perma banning with no recourse allowed because they discovered they could increase their stats a lot by clicking on certain NPCs, which applied a formula that could be gamed.
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Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
897
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Posted - 2012.06.24 08:03:00 -
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Haikato Saraki wrote:Aryth wrote:CCP has now gone and nuked a ton of assets on our accounts. Meaning, we are losing wealth we had previous to this. Wow. But the message is clear. If you want to abuse something, you do not report it. As someone who tried to work with CCP, my advice to anyone in the future is. Don't. this has been stated and restated several times in this threadanaught but all it really boils down to is; "we weren't as evil as we could have been." ...which as far as legal defences go is only slightly better than "the b!tch had it coming." If it had been Jade instead of you who had found and abused this, would you seriously try to tell me you would be lobbying as hard for them to keep the assets gained from this exploit? Honestly, seems to me that the only reason the involved "jewbal" haven't been banned is BECAUSE they brought it to CCP's attention. I sincerely hope that you DO try to keep it hush-hush the next time you find something like this because when CCP uncovers that future exploit your gona lose a lot more than you did today. epic exploit was epic, but did you really expect to crash the LP markets with an exploit and get away with it? Please demonstrate how this was an exploit when CCP hasn't even completed their explanation. That's a mighty big strawman you built there. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1427
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Posted - 2012.06.24 08:09:00 -
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Darth Gustav wrote: I want you to tell me who, exactly, was abused here. Who didn't have the same opportunity to leverage advertised mechanics?
To be abuse it has to be an unfair advantage. The mechanic was advertised.
I copied the word that a CCP employee officially used in this thread. If you don't like he wrote abuse, then feel free to unsub.
Darth Gustav wrote: The system was designed to do what it did. When applied, the system worked as predicted by its design parameters.
This was no exploit.
That's why said CCP employee said "abuse" and not "exploit". And this is the only reason why the involved players have not been banned.
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Elysium Foxx
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
7
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Posted - 2012.06.24 08:12:00 -
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so i have this text book i'm using for a University degree - in it it has a definition of an exploit.
blah blah.... or, an exploit can be a documented process to take advantage of a vulnerability or exposure, usually in software, that is either inherent in the software or is created by the attacker. .... blah blah.
page 10 chapter 1 Principles of Information Security by, Michael E. Whitman & Herbert J. Mattord
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Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
897
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Posted - 2012.06.24 08:13:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Darth Gustav wrote: I want you to tell me who, exactly, was abused here. Who didn't have the same opportunity to leverage advertised mechanics?
To be abuse it has to be an unfair advantage. The mechanic was advertised.
I copied the word that a CCP employee officially used in this thread. If you don't like he wrote abuse, then feel free to unsub. Darth Gustav wrote: The system was designed to do what it did. When applied, the system worked as predicted by its design parameters.
This was no exploit.
That's why said CCP employee said "abuse" and not "exploit". And this is the only reason why the involved players have not been banned. I suppose in CCP's house they have the right to have a "We're never wrong." policy.
We'll see how that goes for them on this.
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corestwo wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:corestwo wrote: Depends on the devs. I've heard exactly what you described (well, close) happened in EQ 2 or something, and SOE flipped out and banned. On the other hand, I've heard something like it happened in LOTR Online and the devs there went "yep, our fault" and simply fixed it and moved on.
CCP are indeed saying "yep, our fault" and are simply fixing it and moving on. I still see you posting so they did not ban hammer you or anything, just undoing the game damage. Sorry, I left out the part where the devs of LOTR Online who went "yep, our fault" let the players who discovered the legitimate but unintended interaction keep the money they made from it. Important distinction, really.
You also left out the part where EvE is completely reliant on its player driven economy and it's a competitive game instead of a toy park. In particular, you also affected FW, a competitive feature in a competitive PvP game.
corestwo wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: Yes they were individually working as intended, it's just the architect who fat fingered his calculator and did not type a zero so that one of the perfect individual parts put in there were not sufficient to keep the building up.
If the one of the perfect individual parts wasn't sufficient to keep the building up, then by definition it isn't actually anywhere near perfect and is in fact quite flawed, much like your analogy.
If the one of the perfect LP formulas wasn't sufficient to keep the market up, then by definition it isn't actually anywhere near perfect and is in fact quite flawed, much like your rebuttal. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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