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Eternal Error
Exitus Acta Probant
38
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Posted - 2012.06.21 17:29:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote:Ituhata Saken wrote:Dearest Market-Interested Space Tycoons,
At downtime today we made an adjustment to the average price of some items in order to curb a situation whereby the average price of an item could be manipulated in order to create a disparity between the value of an item in Isk and its value in Loyalty Point payouts. There will be additional changes in how this system works in the future. We will be monitoring for attempted manipulation of the LP market and will reverse any proceeds deemed to have been obtained through manipulative means. We are watching you. DonGÇÖt be That Guy.
By way of explanation we addressed the manipulation issue but haven't yet completed the investigation into the scope of the abuse. Once that happens I'm pretty sure some people are going to be a bit less smug about the money they made that one time when there was a bank error in their favor and then lost again when the bank fixed the glitch. Was what they did actually illegal? It looks legit to me. Kudos to them.
Also, I fail to see how you could revert/fix what they did without straight up setting wallets negative (seems rather harsh) or only eliminating stock that they current hold... I assume the items they already sold wouldn't be touched.
EDIT: saw your reply to Jade, nevermind. |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2403
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Posted - 2012.06.21 17:30:00 -
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Kyle Myr wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:Ituhata Saken wrote:Dearest Market-Interested Space Tycoons,
At downtime today we made an adjustment to the average price of some items in order to curb a situation whereby the average price of an item could be manipulated in order to create a disparity between the value of an item in Isk and its value in Loyalty Point payouts. There will be additional changes in how this system works in the future. We will be monitoring for attempted manipulation of the LP market and will reverse any proceeds deemed to have been obtained through manipulative means. We are watching you. DonGÇÖt be That Guy.
By way of explanation we addressed the manipulation issue but haven't yet completed the investigation into the scope of the abuse. Once that happens I'm pretty sure some people are going to be a bit less smug about the money they made that one time when there was a bank error in their favor and then lost again when the bank fixed the glitch. Serious question Sreegs, is this kind of thing actually cheating ? (ie against the rules) I read their document a couple of nights ago and though sure it really did blow massive holes through the eve game mechanics in order to make a giant profit - was it actually illegal ? Jade, lying is against the TOS. You're not good enough to have spies in the group that did this.
Keep telling yourself that lol ...
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom Epic Inferno Wardec Test, Sign up and shoot Goons for free! |
Lord Zim
886
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Posted - 2012.06.21 17:30:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:The original leak of your document was in the early hours of wed morning FYI Nope. |
Fuujin
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
152
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Posted - 2012.06.21 17:30:00 -
[124] - Quote
No isk was created by this method. Isk was actually SUNK by this method into FW stores and broker's fees.
All the isk pulled in was from player's hands. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
4104
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Posted - 2012.06.21 17:30:00 -
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Kyle Myr wrote:Goonfleet obviously knows nothing about high sec or factional warfare. I demand CCP publicly acknowledge this with the quick hot fix they released today.
Edit: Yes, I intend to spend my 100b on civilian fit Dramiels, as they are the height of conspicuous consumption.
Speaking as someone who did Angel missions in June, I approve of this Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Treyan Argund
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
18
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Posted - 2012.06.21 17:30:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:Weaselior wrote:Jade Constantine wrote: Serious question Sreegs, is this kind of thing actually cheating ? (ie against the rules) I read their document a couple of nights ago and though sure it really did blow massive holes through the eve game mechanics in order to make a giant profit - was it actually illegal ?
jade i'm pretty sure you didn't read a document written a day ago several days ago okay it would have been in the early hours of wed morning so lets say so a day and a half ago (or two nights) - which in english means "a couple" ... sometimes Weasoliar you are so nitpicky its positively cringworthy.
Document was posted on GF.com literally an hour ago. Please damage control some more, it's cute. |
Alexzandvar Douglass
NUTS AND BOLTS MANUFACTURING En Garde
0
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Posted - 2012.06.21 17:30:00 -
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This is just hilarious keep it up goons. Stay Classy ( Go die ). |
Haquer
Vorkuta Inc Goonswarm Federation
51
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Posted - 2012.06.21 17:30:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:Lord Zim wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:I read their document a couple of nights ago You "read our document", eh? A few days ago, eh? I guess that means you didn't actually make 8.7b, then, since that document was literally released 1 hour ago. why are you goons incapable of understand that a couple = two whereas few and several tends to mean 3+
There really is an xkcd for everything http://xkcd.com/1070/ |
Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1096
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Posted - 2012.06.21 17:30:00 -
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(6:30:42 PM) aryth: i am jade |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2403
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Posted - 2012.06.21 17:30:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:Ituhata Saken wrote:Dearest Market-Interested Space Tycoons,
At downtime today we made an adjustment to the average price of some items in order to curb a situation whereby the average price of an item could be manipulated in order to create a disparity between the value of an item in Isk and its value in Loyalty Point payouts. There will be additional changes in how this system works in the future. We will be monitoring for attempted manipulation of the LP market and will reverse any proceeds deemed to have been obtained through manipulative means. We are watching you. DonGÇÖt be That Guy.
By way of explanation we addressed the manipulation issue but haven't yet completed the investigation into the scope of the abuse. Once that happens I'm pretty sure some people are going to be a bit less smug about the money they made that one time when there was a bank error in their favor and then lost again when the bank fixed the glitch. Serious question Sreegs, is this kind of thing actually cheating ? (ie against the rules) I read their document a couple of nights ago and though sure it really did blow massive holes through the eve game mechanics in order to make a giant profit - was it actually illegal ? I don't really want to say just yet, but basically if you know you're using a system in a certain way in order to gain massive resources, whether you're taking advantage of a design flaw or not and whether we classify it as an exploit or not we're still well within our rights to fix the glitch. I'm not going to comment on what we do or don't do at this point because I don't prejudge the results of investigations.
Fair enough, thanks for the response.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom Epic Inferno Wardec Test, Sign up and shoot Goons for free! |
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Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
2566
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Posted - 2012.06.21 17:31:00 -
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Maggie Maggie wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote: I don't really want to say just yet, but basically if you know you're using a system in a certain way in order to gain massive resources, whether you're taking advantage of a design flaw or not and whether we classify it as an exploit or not we're still well within our rights to fix the glitch. I'm not going to comment on what we do or don't do at this point because I don't prejudge the results of investigations.
Tech moons are a design flaw. Everyone has known it for years. When you're ready to classify it as an exploit, let us know, k?
They should correct the flaw and than confiscate all the ill-gotten gains. Vice Secretary of the 7th Council of Stellar Management.
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LoveFromAbove
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.06.21 17:31:00 -
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on the plus side EVE's going to make all the gaming news sites again |
Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
810
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Posted - 2012.06.21 17:31:00 -
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Ituhata Saken wrote:Alexzandvar Douglass wrote:This is like when the Villain in the movie spends so much time broadcasting his success it leads to his downfall.
I'd be a great villain, I'd shoot the hero in the head 3 times once I captured him instead of prattling on about my superiority. Then I'll cut of his head and mount it on a spike outside my evil lair as a warning to other superheroes. That would make you a terrible villain. Don't you know the rules? You HAVE to gloat. Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2403
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Posted - 2012.06.21 17:32:00 -
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Treyan Argund wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Weaselior wrote:Jade Constantine wrote: Serious question Sreegs, is this kind of thing actually cheating ? (ie against the rules) I read their document a couple of nights ago and though sure it really did blow massive holes through the eve game mechanics in order to make a giant profit - was it actually illegal ?
jade i'm pretty sure you didn't read a document written a day ago several days ago okay it would have been in the early hours of wed morning so lets say so a day and a half ago (or two nights) - which in english means "a couple" ... sometimes Weasoliar you are so nitpicky its positively cringworthy. Document was posted on GF.com literally an hour ago. Please damage control some more, it's cute.
That means you guys were amongst the last to know ... thats actually quite funny.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom Epic Inferno Wardec Test, Sign up and shoot Goons for free! |
ElQuirko
Protus Correction Facility Inc.
750
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Posted - 2012.06.21 17:32:00 -
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If it wasn't against the rules now, this would've triggered millions of goon "CCP ANTI-GOON CONSPIRACY" threads. CISPA - Readin' your secret corptheft mails since 2012 |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2403
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Posted - 2012.06.21 17:33:00 -
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Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Maggie Maggie wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote: I don't really want to say just yet, but basically if you know you're using a system in a certain way in order to gain massive resources, whether you're taking advantage of a design flaw or not and whether we classify it as an exploit or not we're still well within our rights to fix the glitch. I'm not going to comment on what we do or don't do at this point because I don't prejudge the results of investigations.
Tech moons are a design flaw. Everyone has known it for years. When you're ready to classify it as an exploit, let us know, k? They should correct the flaw and than confiscate all the ill-gotten gains.
See I'd actually vote for you again if you ran for the next CSM with that campaign pledge!
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom Epic Inferno Wardec Test, Sign up and shoot Goons for free! |
Aryth
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
160
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Posted - 2012.06.21 17:33:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:Ituhata Saken wrote:Dearest Market-Interested Space Tycoons,
At downtime today we made an adjustment to the average price of some items in order to curb a situation whereby the average price of an item could be manipulated in order to create a disparity between the value of an item in Isk and its value in Loyalty Point payouts. There will be additional changes in how this system works in the future. We will be monitoring for attempted manipulation of the LP market and will reverse any proceeds deemed to have been obtained through manipulative means. We are watching you. DonGÇÖt be That Guy.
By way of explanation we addressed the manipulation issue but haven't yet completed the investigation into the scope of the abuse. Once that happens I'm pretty sure some people are going to be a bit less smug about the money they made that one time when there was a bank error in their favor and then lost again when the bank fixed the glitch. Serious question Sreegs, is this kind of thing actually cheating ? (ie against the rules) I read their document a couple of nights ago and though sure it really did blow massive holes through the eve game mechanics in order to make a giant profit - was it actually illegal ? I don't really want to say just yet, but basically if you know you're using a system in a certain way in order to gain massive resources, whether you're taking advantage of a design flaw or not and whether we classify it as an exploit or not we're still well within our rights to fix the glitch. I'm not going to comment on what we do or don't do at this point because I don't prejudge the results of investigations.
The CCP position is pretty clear. They have to protect the sandbox to some degree. However, we were careful to limit the scope of this. Profit yes, gamebreaking no. In theory we could have generated 10's of billions of LP. That would have had long term consequences CCP could not have ignored. I feel good that when they dive into the details, they will see it's not horrible enough to mess with, and it the market will correct within 30 days or so.
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Alexzandvar Douglass
NUTS AND BOLTS MANUFACTURING En Garde
0
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Posted - 2012.06.21 17:33:00 -
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LoveFromAbove wrote:on the plus side EVE's going to make all the gaming news sites again
There's always a tarnished silver lining in everything. |
fab24
Tax Fraud Corporation
15
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Posted - 2012.06.21 17:33:00 -
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So what's all this crap even for? |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
4104
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Posted - 2012.06.21 17:33:00 -
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Mikelii wrote:Darius Johnson for CEO.
Never not ******* goons.
I genuinely ell oh elled at this because come on, the whole thing is pretty ******* funny Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
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Makkal Hanaya
Drakenburg
194
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Posted - 2012.06.21 17:34:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote: By way of explanation we addressed the manipulation issue but haven't yet completed the investigation into the scope of the abuse. Once that happens I'm pretty sure some people are going to be a bit less smug about the money they made that one time when there was a bank error in their favor and then lost again when the bank fixed the glitch.
A bit less smug?
They made trillions of ISK by manipulating the system and the game developers had to wade into the sandbox just to fix the situation. Wouldn't that make them *more* smug? although my eyes were open they might have just as well've been closed
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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2403
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Posted - 2012.06.21 17:34:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:The original leak of your document was in the early hours of wed morning FYI Nope.
I'm afraid to say you know nothing.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom Epic Inferno Wardec Test, Sign up and shoot Goons for free! |
Haquer
Vorkuta Inc Goonswarm Federation
51
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Posted - 2012.06.21 17:34:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:Treyan Argund wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Weaselior wrote:Jade Constantine wrote: Serious question Sreegs, is this kind of thing actually cheating ? (ie against the rules) I read their document a couple of nights ago and though sure it really did blow massive holes through the eve game mechanics in order to make a giant profit - was it actually illegal ?
jade i'm pretty sure you didn't read a document written a day ago several days ago okay it would have been in the early hours of wed morning so lets say so a day and a half ago (or two nights) - which in english means "a couple" ... sometimes Weasoliar you are so nitpicky its positively cringworthy. Document was posted on GF.com literally an hour ago. Please damage control some more, it's cute. That means you guys were amongst the last to know ... thats actually quite funny.
Ahahahahahahahah
hahahahahahah a ha h ah ah ha ha aahh.
Oh. Man. |
Mai Amarr Waifu
Viziam Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.06.21 17:34:00 -
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Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:I am Jack's utter lack of surprise.
Considering how adamant your members are about how 'they've done everything' in terms of 'winning faction warfare' I can't say I believe you XD
Fix faction warfare plz. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=123906
It's not like you're going to win when you don't have goons to prop you at t5 in every system indefinitely anymore :(
- Le Womyn Power |
JamesCLK
Lone Star Exploration Lone Star Partners
189
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Posted - 2012.06.21 17:35:00 -
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Treyan Argund wrote:Quoting for posterity, Jade Constantine literally owns a time machine
That wouldn't even... :psyduck:
Where can I sign up for the afterparty? The 4x4 seems awfully crowded.
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:They should correct the flaw and than confiscate all the ill-gotten gains.
Seconded. |
Harataka
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.06.21 17:35:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:
That means you guys were amongst the last to know ... thats actually quite funny.
Dammit Jade you almost owed me a Tengu for making me laugh so hard at your bullshit that I forgot to turn on my tank. :( |
Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1096
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Posted - 2012.06.21 17:35:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:Lord Zim wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:The original leak of your document was in the early hours of wed morning FYI Nope. I'm afraid to say you know nothing.
roleplaying ygritte now
what is it with you and roleplaying promiscious women?? |
Joe D'Trader
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
152
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Posted - 2012.06.21 17:35:00 -
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Fuujin wrote:No isk was created by this method. Isk was actually SUNK by this method into FW stores and broker's fees.
All the isk pulled in was from player's hands.
Insurance creates some isk, but in the grand scheme of things probably not much.
And damn this thread is growing fast. |
Ituhata Saken
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
329
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Posted - 2012.06.21 17:35:00 -
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Tallian Saotome wrote:Ituhata Saken wrote:Alexzandvar Douglass wrote:This is like when the Villain in the movie spends so much time broadcasting his success it leads to his downfall.
I'd be a great villain, I'd shoot the hero in the head 3 times once I captured him instead of prattling on about my superiority. Then I'll cut of his head and mount it on a spike outside my evil lair as a warning to other superheroes. That would make you a terrible villain. Don't you know the rules? You HAVE to gloat.
I'll gloat later when I'm casually holding the severed head of the hero in front of a monitor broadcasting to the UN while I demand one-hundred million dollars! So close... |
J3ssica Biel
SUNDERING Goonswarm Federation
17
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Posted - 2012.06.21 17:35:00 -
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fab24 wrote:So what's all this crap even for? If you stopped playing the test server 23/7, logged on TQ you might know, ****** |
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