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Traidor Disloyal
I Am Not A Lawyer
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Posted - 2008.08.27 21:14:00 -
[1021]
Originally by: Falcon Troy Edited by: Falcon Troy on 27/08/2008 21:07:25
Originally by: Hegbard The most amusing thing that while this thread contains a blatant violation of forum rules by Chribba, the only thing CCP did was to bend over for him and beg for mercy. The other thread discussing this matter was locked.
Mmmm. no favourites. At all.
Everyone is treated equally.
Um...Chribba deserves to be treated better than the average player. He actually gives back to the community. GTFO.
Even if he got to kiss the Pope on his right cheek every other Tuesday he is no better then the rest of us when it comes to Eve.
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Schalac
Caldari Apocalypse Reign
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Posted - 2008.08.27 21:16:00 -
[1022]
Originally by: Falcon Troy Edited by: Falcon Troy on 27/08/2008 21:07:25
Originally by: Hegbard The most amusing thing that while this thread contains a blatant violation of forum rules by Chribba, the only thing CCP did was to bend over for him and beg for mercy. The other thread discussing this matter was locked.
Mmmm. no favourites. At all.
Everyone is treated equally.
Um...Chribba deserves to be treated better than the average player. He actually gives back to the community. GTFO.
So because someone likes a product and decides to do something to help themselves out first and then lets the rest of the community that uses said product see what they made. That company should show favoritism towards them and not the rest of us? Chribba deserves no more advantage than anyone else that plays this game month after month and anyone who feels they do is misguided. While it is nice that some people put work into making things that help players out, they are still costumers of CCP and all should be treated equally.
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Karlemgne
Ghosts of the Revolution The Red Skull
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Posted - 2008.08.27 21:17:00 -
[1023]
Originally by: LaVista Vista Dear CCP.
I hope for you that this actually makes a different beyond upsetting the community.
It better cure 2 types of cancer and solve all lag. Else, this is a horrible horrible move which in my eyes, should be reversed
Much Love Me.
Dear LaVista Vista,
Please go away. I find you extremely annoying.
-Karlemgne
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Druadan
Aristotle Enterprises Chances of Misfortune
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Posted - 2008.08.27 21:17:00 -
[1024]
Good to see the decision retracted. Hearing CCP say they didn't think something out and that it is a valuable lesson learned is getting a bit old though. Sig removed, inappropriate content. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint |
SentryRaven
Sentry Security
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Posted - 2008.08.27 21:18:00 -
[1025]
I for one welcome our Veldspar-loving Overlord back in Amarr.... *bows* -------- Ex-KIA, and proud about it. :) |
SencneS
Amarr Rebellion Against big Irreversible Dinks
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Posted - 2008.08.27 21:18:00 -
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I can outmine Chribba's veldnought in an Ospray. And while in 0.9 that same Ospray can tank the rats with it's passive shield regen rate. According to EFT Veldnought with Max skills and rigged and implanted to mine can only get 894m3 a minute. Osprey gets, 964m3 same setup.
I don't see a problem with using the Veldnought for mining.
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Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles Zzz
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Posted - 2008.08.27 21:21:00 -
[1027]
Originally by: GM Grimmi 3. You may not use your capital shipÆs attributes to gain any sort of advantage over other players while in high security space.
The Veldnaught is the most powerful ship in the game for AFK mining (at least, in Amarr). Does this mean Chribba isn't allowed to mine in it, on the grounds that this would give him an advantage over someone using a mere industrial, with a lower cargo capacity, lower HP and only 1 turret hardpoint? Zzz research towers Direrie NEW: Liekuri
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards Vanguard.
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Posted - 2008.08.27 21:23:00 -
[1028]
Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro
Originally by: GM Grimmi 3. You may not use your capital shipÆs attributes to gain any sort of advantage over other players while in high security space.
The Veldnaught is the most powerful ship in the game for AFK mining (at least, in Amarr). Does this mean Chribba isn't allowed to mine in it, on the grounds that this would give him an advantage over someone using a mere industrial, with a lower cargo capacity, lower HP and only 1 turret hardpoint?
Bet my badger has killed more people than the veldnought.
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Karlemgne
Ghosts of the Revolution The Red Skull
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Posted - 2008.08.27 21:25:00 -
[1029]
Boo on you CCP. The Veldnaught and Hi-sec capitals should have been removed long ago. Rules should be universally applied in game. That you caved to the popular old schooler who owned the Veldnaught, and the collective crying whining forum community is really disappointing.
And this is my main, so STFU and go away "post-with the main" crowd.
-Karlemgne
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Falcon Troy
Caldari State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.08.27 21:25:00 -
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Originally by: SencneS I can outmine Chribba's veldnought in an Ospray. And while in 0.9 that same Ospray can tank the rats with it's passive shield regen rate. According to EFT Veldnought with Max skills and rigged and implanted to mine can only get 894m3 a minute. Osprey gets, 964m3 same setup.
I don't see a problem with using the Veldnought for mining.
I don't have one and Chribba is obviously an ******* for being a community man and for CCP taking a liking to. I demand justice! Remove EVE monuments and unique ships and damned the community players! Rah! Rah! Rah! _____________ Hai. |
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Bald Rikk
The Legendary Fleet
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Posted - 2008.08.27 21:26:00 -
[1031]
Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro
The Veldnaught is the most powerful ship in the game for AFK mining (at least, in Amarr). Does this mean Chribba isn't allowed to mine in it, on the grounds that this would give him an advantage over someone using a mere industrial, with a lower cargo capacity, lower HP and only 1 turret hardpoint?
It is also in Amarr, a system where AFK mining would be a joke... the veldnaught would give no advantage as the roids will usually be gone in a few cycles of a strip miner.
-- Baldrikk
Originally by: CCP Explorer You can still steal their stuff.
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Sakura Nihil
Stimulus
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Posted - 2008.08.27 21:28:00 -
[1032]
Good call on this one CCP.
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Locke DieDrake
Human Information Virus
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Posted - 2008.08.27 21:32:00 -
[1033]
Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro
Originally by: GM Grimmi 3. You may not use your capital shipÆs attributes to gain any sort of advantage over other players while in high security space.
The Veldnaught is the most powerful ship in the game for AFK mining (at least, in Amarr). Does this mean Chribba isn't allowed to mine in it, on the grounds that this would give him an advantage over someone using a mere industrial, with a lower cargo capacity, lower HP and only 1 turret hardpoint?
If anyone can catch Chirbba AFK mining, I'll buy you a high sec Capital ship.
Fair?
*Chirbba, buddy, don't screw me here. :)
______________________________________________ Goon FC(08/12/06):"its a trap" "that thing is fully operational" |
Schalac
Caldari Apocalypse Reign
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Posted - 2008.08.27 21:33:00 -
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Originally by: SencneS I can outmine Chribba's veldnought in an Ospray. And while in 0.9 that same Ospray can tank the rats with it's passive shield regen rate. According to EFT Veldnought with Max skills and rigged and implanted to mine can only get 894m3 a minute. Osprey gets, 964m3 same setup.
I don't see a problem with using the Veldnought for mining.
You also need to jettison your cargo into space so you need someone there to pick it up or make multiple trips back and forth to station greatly reducing the amount of ore you can bring in every minute. An osprey can fall victim to suicide ganks of 2 other cruisers. A dread would laugh as it's shields don't even move for that. Basically a dread is an AFK miner that has very little chance of ever being suicided due to the large amount ships and planning need to do so. That is an unfair advantage. Case point rules broken move the cap to low sec.
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Fink Angel
Caldari The Merry Men
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Posted - 2008.08.27 21:33:00 -
[1035]
Congratulations to CCP for listening to feedback, thinking this one through and not being afraid to make the right decision. That takes some balls.
I might have to actually fly out to Amarr to actually take a look at this Dread some day!
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Locke DieDrake
Human Information Virus
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Posted - 2008.08.27 21:38:00 -
[1036]
Originally by: Schalac
Originally by: SencneS I can outmine Chribba's veldnought in an Ospray. And while in 0.9 that same Ospray can tank the rats with it's passive shield regen rate. According to EFT Veldnought with Max skills and rigged and implanted to mine can only get 894m3 a minute. Osprey gets, 964m3 same setup.
I don't see a problem with using the Veldnought for mining.
You also need to jettison your cargo into space so you need someone there to pick it up or make multiple trips back and forth to station greatly reducing the amount of ore you can bring in every minute. An osprey can fall victim to suicide ganks of 2 other cruisers. A dread would laugh as it's shields don't even move for that. Basically a dread is an AFK miner that has very little chance of ever being suicided due to the large amount ships and planning need to do so. That is an unfair advantage. Case point rules broken move the cap to low sec.
The only problem with your logic is that this entire scenario is based on AFK mining in a cap ship, which has NEVER BEEN DONE, and NEVER WILL BE except as a joke.
You could make, what, like 5m a DAY AFK mining Veld in the VeldNaught.
Besides, if your income is from AFK mining in general, you failed at eve a while ago. ______________________________________________ Goon FC(08/12/06):"its a trap" "that thing is fully operational" |
fazeley
Empire Assault Corp The Firm.
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Posted - 2008.08.27 21:41:00 -
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Originally by: GM Grimmi Greetings everyone,
About those capital ships in high secà
First, IÆd like to apologize for this whole debacle. The simple truth is that our policies on capitals in high sec were not all that clear internally as well as officially. In hindsight, we should have given the matter more thought and discussion before acting, a valuable lesson to learn and weÆll remember it in the future. The general idea was that no capitals should be allowed in high sec and then we had some vague un-official guidelines on ships built before changes and whatnot. Those rules were never really actually set in stone and hence the situation we face now.
This is an excellent opportunity to change all that. We have therefore decided to set the following rules for capitals in high sec:
1. Capital ships may under no circumstances be used for aggression.
2. If at war, or with war declaration pending, you may not take your capital ship out of station.
3. You may not use your capital shipÆs attributes to gain any sort of advantage over other players while in high security space.
4. Breach any of the above and receive 2 weeks ban and off to low sec with your capital.
Along with those brand new actual rules, we will move ChribbaÆs Veldnaught back to Amarr, and will also move any other capital ship, by request, that was built in high sec before these changes were introduced. Anyone who had a viable high sec capital moved and wants it back should petition and we will take care of it as soon as possible.
With actual official rules on capitals in high sec, we should be able to make things work without further issues. We will be diligent about enforcing the new rules and anyone found in breach of them will have the offending capital ship moved out of high sec without advance notice, reversal or reimbursement. A two-week ban will also be imposed on the owner.
Thank you for your feedback, patience and understanding.
GM Grimmi Lead Game Master
Nice one - common sense prevailed
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards Vanguard.
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Posted - 2008.08.27 21:41:00 -
[1038]
Originally by: Schalac
Originally by: SencneS I can outmine Chribba's veldnought in an Ospray. And while in 0.9 that same Ospray can tank the rats with it's passive shield regen rate. According to EFT Veldnought with Max skills and rigged and implanted to mine can only get 894m3 a minute. Osprey gets, 964m3 same setup.
I don't see a problem with using the Veldnought for mining.
You also need to jettison your cargo into space so you need someone there to pick it up or make multiple trips back and forth to station greatly reducing the amount of ore you can bring in every minute. An osprey can fall victim to suicide ganks of 2 other cruisers. A dread would laugh as it's shields don't even move for that. Basically a dread is an AFK miner that has very little chance of ever being suicided due to the large amount ships and planning need to do so. That is an unfair advantage. Case point rules broken move the cap to low sec.
Two level 4 missions will bring in more cash than a day of mining in a dread.
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Admiral Apex
Amarr Dead 2 Rights
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Posted - 2008.08.27 21:41:00 -
[1039]
thanks for reversing this. it was indeed a very silly and arbitrary change.
some things in life arent fair. boo hoo most players will never have a non freighter/jfreighter in high sec unless they pay billionz. boo hoo. personally i dont give a ****, let the lucky players have something special.
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Lil Mina
Unholy Sisterhood Of The Dirty Ponys
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Posted - 2008.08.27 21:43:00 -
[1040]
Originally by: GM Grimmi In hindsight, we should have given the matter more thought and discussion before acting, a valuable lesson to learn and weÆll remember it in the future. GM Grimmi Lead Game Master
yeah, you should have.
deja vu much?
Originally by: CCP Atropos
I could give you my stuff, but without the Polaris skill to fly the ships, they're kinda useless
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5pinDizzy
Amarr Umpteenth Podding
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Posted - 2008.08.27 21:44:00 -
[1041]
While I don't care too much either way whether Chribba keeps his dread in highsec.
What I find extremely disturbing is.
1. The mass amount of unwashed unthinking idiots who follow Chribba like a cult leader rather when a well respected player.
2. The chance that maybe they are only passing it off as an internal communication failure and they actually caved in to forum whining yet again.
If there is any truth in point 2 any faith I had in CCP's grand plan is dead and buried.
On the bright side if it's true, we can go necro the level 4 threadnaught and throw some more whinage and hits on it again till dev response!. Bring your 20 alts to post too!
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Semkhet
Spartan Industries
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Posted - 2008.08.27 21:45:00 -
[1042]
Originally by: Schalac Does any battlecruiser have the cargo space that a dread has? Does any Battlecruiser have the tank that the dread has?
So when one of your pathetic arguments gets countered, you've desperately to cycle around until you find another candidate ?
Forget your tank bulls**t. If I were to invest the value of Chribba's dread in a faction Abbadon with T2 rigs and full slave set, you would face a passive omnitank of 500K effective hp's. Good luck trying to blow it up before your blob gets popped by Concord unless you use over 50 full T2 equipped battleships, whose combined value ends being close to the double than Chribba's dread... Genius
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MailDeadDrop
Archon Industries
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Posted - 2008.08.27 21:47:00 -
[1043]
Originally by: Locke DieDrake If anyone can catch Chirbba AFK mining, I'll buy you a high sec Capital ship.
Fair?
/me perks up noticeably. "Hmmm... free highsec capital ship..." /me reaches for the Rolodex with Chribba's contact info in it.
Originally by: Locke DieDrake *Chirbba, buddy, don't screw me here. :)
Drat!
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5pinDizzy
Amarr Umpteenth Podding
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Posted - 2008.08.27 21:48:00 -
[1044]
I wonder what would happen just supposing.
Despite being ridiculously difficult in action and in response. What if some group somehow managed to blow up Chribbas dreadnought?
Do you reckon we'd get a ridiculous thread like this again till he was given another one in Amarr? Cause I'm sorta thinking... yes.
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Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2008.08.27 21:52:00 -
[1045]
Hooray for Chribba and the Veldnaught, let us hope they still let you mine with it. Cheers CCP. --
http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
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Schalac
Caldari Apocalypse Reign
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Posted - 2008.08.27 21:52:00 -
[1046]
Originally by: 5pinDizzy I wonder what would happen just supposing.
Despite being ridiculously difficult in action and in response. What if some group somehow managed to blow up Chribbas dreadnought?
Do you reckon we'd get a ridiculous thread like this again till he was given another one in Amarr? Cause I'm sorta thinking... yes.
Let's get a 100 man BS fleet together and blow it off the face of the universe and find out.
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fazeley
Empire Assault Corp The Firm.
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Posted - 2008.08.27 21:55:00 -
[1047]
Originally by: Schalac So because someone likes a product and decides to do something to help themselves out first and then lets the rest of the community that uses said product see what they made. That company should show favoritism towards them and not the rest of us? Chribba deserves no more advantage than anyone else that plays this game month after month and anyone who feels they do is misguided. While it is nice that some people put work into making things that help players out, they are still costumers of CCP and all should be treated equally.
Yes they should show a bit of favouritism to him tbqh. The people who are complaining about him getting this back are a bit sad. Can only assume it's envy really, which is bizarre, to be treated like Chribba all one need do is accumulate a huge amount of ISK whilst still retaining a massive amount of goodwill by the services you provide to the community.
Simple no?
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Roy Batty68
Caldari Immortal Dead
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Posted - 2008.08.27 21:59:00 -
[1048]
Originally by: 5pinDizzy While I don't care too much either way whether Chribba keeps his dread in highsec.
What I find extremely disturbing is.
1. The mass amount of unwashed unthinking idiots who follow Chribba like a cult leader rather when a well respected player.
2. The chance that maybe they are only passing it off as an internal communication failure and they actually caved in to forum whining yet again.
If there is any truth in point 2 any faith I had in CCP's grand plan is dead and buried.
On the bright side if it's true, we can go necro the level 4 threadnaught and throw some more whinage and hits on it again till dev response!. Bring your 20 alts to post too!
1) Chribba IS a well respected player, hence the turn out.
2) Anything you disagree with is labeled a whine. I think of it as more the playerbase letting CCP know how they feel about player made content getting tossed out with the wash. So apparently you do care (and oppose the idea of him having a dread in hisec), otherwise you wouldn't have called it a whine.
3) What the hell was it hurting? The veldnaught making certain posters feel inadequate or something? It's like complaining about the guy who has the luxury yacht. You say you don't care, but you do care about other people caring? WTH?
4) Quit being a nerd. Just because you don't have strong feelings about a particular subject doesn't mean that those who do are whining and crying. And there's quite a bit of difference about a piece of game content which doesn't affect anyone other than it being a status symbol of sorts compared to the debates about other game mechanics WHICH DO AFFECT TONS OF PEOPLE.
I think you're just being ****y for the sake of it.
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oilio
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.08.27 22:00:00 -
[1049]
Originally by: 5pinDizzy I wonder what would happen just supposing.
Despite being ridiculously difficult in action and in response. What if some group somehow managed to blow up Chribbas dreadnought?
Do you reckon we'd get a ridiculous thread like this again till he was given another one in Amarr? Cause I'm sorta thinking... yes.
...and I'm sorta thinking... no.
If players had blown Chribba's dreadnaught up, then people would probably have lamented the loss, but I doubt ANYONE would request that the ship be miraculously re-incarnated. You know enough about Eve to know that too - it's pure trolling.
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Shagrath Neptune
Series of Tubes
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Posted - 2008.08.27 22:01:00 -
[1050]
I think this backpedaling by CCP proves beyond a doubt that whining on the forums does indeed work.
That being said, I have nothing against Chribba and I am glad he got his way although I don't necessarily agree that he should have for a variety of reasons that have already been hashed over in this thread by others.
He seems like a nice guy who means a lot to the game's community so sometimes doing the right thing isn't always the right thing to do.
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