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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2008.08.27 06:42:00 -
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So as of today, a new policy has been adapted by CCP regarding high-sec capitals, you know those historic icons that was already regulated by non-combat/exploit rules...
It has now been decided that these icons no longer can reside in high-sec no matter that they where built when they were allowed to. About a year ago, CCP made policy changes when the Rorqual was introduced and nerfed them to low-sec just as the first ones was scheduled to come out of the assembly arrays of the few left in high-sec.
Now a year later all other high-sec capitals (except freighters/JF's) and they are being moved to low-sec all around New Eden.
This imo is a stupid policy change! The capitals was historic icons, people flew long ways to view these ships. They became tourist attractions, added imo great value to the game. But now they are plain useless.
I do understand the "want" of not having capitals in high-sec, but seriously, what threat did these few capitals pose? None, as they were already regulated by the non-combat rules!
Especially shame for those who recently paid billions for high-sec capitals, only to have them nerfed weeks later. And for those who still has their capitals in high-sec, love them now, soon they won't be in your hangar in high-sec.
So CCP, I'm really looking forward to reading your public announcement of this policy change and the explanation of the decision.
/c
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Ampoliros
Shadow Company G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2008.08.27 06:45:00 -
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Edited by: Ampoliros on 27/08/2008 06:46:00
That Chribba posted a thread with this title is most depressing ----------------------------- Signature for sale :o |
Black Tahee1
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Posted - 2008.08.27 06:47:00 -
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Finally justice
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Rawr Cristina
Caldari Omerta Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.08.27 06:48:00 -
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Chribba you meanie, stop trolling!
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Fel Flash
The Accursed
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Posted - 2008.08.27 06:48:00 -
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Lame!
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Is forporn
THE INTERNET.
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Posted - 2008.08.27 06:49:00 -
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proof or stfu
Join THE INTERNET. today |
Arte
AFK
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Posted - 2008.08.27 06:50:00 -
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Edited by: Arte on 27/08/2008 06:51:11 Since when? I take it that means your Dread has to leave hi-sec Chribba?
If so, it seems to me that at the moment CCP are blundering around like a blind boxer, lashing out at any part of the game that they can lay their hands on with no rhyme or reason to determine what comes next.
Just who is in charge at the moment
Shame if you and others can't keep your Caps in hi-sec, I don't see the problem.
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Sythyss
Twilight Trading Twilight Imperium
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Posted - 2008.08.27 06:50:00 -
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wow CCP got chribba mad
CCP are scumbags ---------------------------
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Treelox
Amarr Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party
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Posted - 2008.08.27 06:51:00 -
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Edited by: Treelox on 27/08/2008 06:51:33 they nerfed the veldnaught??
If so that is a real kick in the ass, especially considering the whole "no agressing" rule that has goverened them the last +year.
So many newbs will miss out on seeing their first cap ship, in the comfort and safety of high sec. Chribba has always been a sport and undocked just for newbies to oggle at.
CCP seriously what the bloody hell were you thinking about, ruining such a huge iconic part of player generated eve lore.
I am really dissappointed in all of you there in Reykjavik, and seriously wonder what the hell you guys were thinking.
---edit1
fixed a typo --
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ApaKaka
Lone Starr Corporation
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Posted - 2008.08.27 06:52:00 -
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I heard an ancient saying the other day:
"When the Chribba frowns, thou wilst wette thy underpants in feareth"
To Chribba: Sorry to hear they took your Veldnaught away. We will always have fond memories of bumping it around in Amarr.
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Digital Solaris
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Posted - 2008.08.27 06:52:00 -
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What is CCP' next step, I wonder? Introduce Goblins as a new Amarr bloodline?
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Treelox
Amarr Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party
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Posted - 2008.08.27 06:53:00 -
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Originally by: Chribba
So CCP, I'm really looking forward to reading your public announcement of this policy change and the explanation of the decision.
^^^this^^ --
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Cailais
Amarr VITOC
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Posted - 2008.08.27 06:54:00 -
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Dear CCP - get a grip.
C.
Originally by: Tarminic Your continued whining is somewhat diminished by your continued willingness to give your money to CCP.
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2008.08.27 06:55:00 -
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Originally by: EVE System 2008.08.26 15:23 Hi. Capital ships are not allowed in high security space, can not be manufactured there and can not transported there. Your Dreadnought which was docked in Amarr VIII (Oris) - Emperor Family Academy, has been moved to a close low security system; Bordan IV - Moon 1 - Kaalakiota Corporation Factory.
And yes "EVE System" is the sender of such messages, same as last year when CCP unanchored LSAA's, and yes I already have a long exchange of petition messages with GMs before posting this.
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Silver Night
Caldari Naqam Exalted.
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Posted - 2008.08.27 06:56:00 -
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I hope this isn't true. Otherwise who do we wardec to force CCP to change the policy? everything can be accomplished with E-Violence right? --------------
The Clown Man. GLS Mr. State Caldari Patriot. Sansha's Nation Supporter
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.08.27 06:58:00 -
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Last in a long line of STUPID™ choices CCP made recently.
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SHOPS || Mission rewards revamp || better nanofix
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Athre
Minmatar The Higher Standard
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Posted - 2008.08.27 07:00:00 -
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Why would CCP feel this is necessary? The rules have been quite clear, non combat or get the boot to Low Sec.
The ability to build them was taken away (non combat capitals) and now the peaceful citizens are punished for crimes of owning such a luxury liner.
So I guess this is CCP's way of saying no Capital Mining laser for the Veldnaught :(
So much for "sandbox".
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Arte
AFK
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Posted - 2008.08.27 07:00:00 -
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Edited by: Arte on 27/08/2008 07:02:04
Originally by: Akita T Latest in a long line of STUPIDÖ choices CCP made recently.
Fixed that for you.. But aye, seems it's habit forming at the moment
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Cailais
Amarr VITOC
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Posted - 2008.08.27 07:00:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T Last in a long line of STUPIDÖ choices CCP made recently.
It probably wont be the last if theyre prepared to do this..
C.
Originally by: Tarminic Your continued whining is somewhat diminished by your continued willingness to give your money to CCP.
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Jameroz
Echoes of Space
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Posted - 2008.08.27 07:01:00 -
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No more Veldnaught in Amarr
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Unreal5
Malicious Intentions
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Posted - 2008.08.27 07:03:00 -
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Dear CCP, there's a limit to what extent you can f'uck things up. This is crossing the line.
My worst fears have come true, hippies have taken over CCP. Back to Azeroth you god damn hippies! ASD |
Devilish Ledoux
Caldari Ledoux Holdings
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Posted - 2008.08.27 07:03:00 -
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RABBLE!!!
RABBLE RABBLE!!! _
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Maria Kalista
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Posted - 2008.08.27 07:04:00 -
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Whaaattt!!!!????
This is stupid. Really, those ships posed no harm and where part of high-sec. They *belonged* there. CCP, you really now how to f-up don't you?
Oh, ,ps while you are busy, remove that stupid titan you wacked in high sec for FW at luminaire. It doesn't belong there either!
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Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2008.08.27 07:04:00 -
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While I understand that Chribba is awesome for eve-search and eve-files and god knows what else, he is still a player and should play by the rules like everyone else.
Now this rule is pretty frivolous, and I think the Veldnaught is a peice of EVE-cana (or whatever, rofls) but favortism towards one player is never good, I mean if they nerfed speed but let eXtas keep his super nano-Mach, that wouldn't be very fair.
Sad to see this, they should have removed it a long time ago before the Veldnaught became something or a legend. --
http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
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ArmyOfMe
Personal Vendetta Vendetta Alliance.
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Posted - 2008.08.27 07:05:00 -
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this is a shit move by ccp, there is no reason for them to do this
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Soporo
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.08.27 07:05:00 -
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Quote: Hi. Capital ships are not allowed in high security space, can not be manufactured there and can not transported there. Your Dreadnought which was docked in Amarr VIII (Oris) - Emperor Family Academy, has been moved to a close low security system; Bordan IV - Moon 1 - Kaalakiota Corporation Factory.
WTF. Really lame nerf, tbh. Lemme guess they didnt even give you the gdamn courtesy of choosing WHICH LowSec system I bet.
Good luck getting an official response/reasoning, even for you who have done so much for the community.
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Sythyss
Twilight Trading Twilight Imperium
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Posted - 2008.08.27 07:05:00 -
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Originally by: Vaal Erit While I understand that Chribba is awesome for eve-search and eve-files and god knows what else, he is still a player and should play by the rules like everyone else.
Now this rule is pretty frivolous, and I think the Veldnaught is a peice of EVE-cana (or whatever, rofls) but favortism towards one player is never good, I mean if they nerfed speed but let eXtas keep his super nano-Mach, that wouldn't be very fair.
Sad to see this, they should have removed it a long time ago before the Veldnaught became something or a legend.
gtfo, seriously ---------------------------
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Yukiko Kanezaki
Runcible Quench
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Posted - 2008.08.27 07:07:00 -
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I remember reading and hearing about Chribba's Veldnaught when I first started playing.
Quote: So CCP, I'm really looking forward to reading your public announcement of this policy change and the explanation of the decision.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.08.27 07:10:00 -
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If anything, the policy should have been "we are now allowing cynos in highsec, but all damage-dealing weapon systems (guns, launchers, smartbombs, combat drones or fighters) are disabled on any capital ships while in highsec".
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SHOPS || Mission rewards revamp || better nanofix
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Treelox
Amarr Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party
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Posted - 2008.08.27 07:10:00 -
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Originally by: Vaal Erit While I understand that Chribba is awesome for eve-search and eve-files and god knows what else, he is still a player and should play by the rules like everyone else.
Now this rule is pretty frivolous, and I think the Veldnaught is a peice of EVE-cana (or whatever, rofls) but favortism towards one player is never good, I mean if they nerfed speed but let eXtas keep his super nano-Mach, that wouldn't be very fair.
I hope you realise that the veldnaught was not the only high sec caps ship still in exsistance, there were a few still left. I guess less than 10, but they have exsited peaceful in high sec for a long time. --
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LaVista Vista
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Posted - 2008.08.27 07:11:00 -
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Dear CCP.
I hope for you that this actually makes a different beyond upsetting the community.
It better cure 2 types of cancer and solve all lag. Else, this is a horrible horrible move which in my eyes, should be reversed
Much Love Me.
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Roy Batty68
Caldari Immortal Dead
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Posted - 2008.08.27 07:11:00 -
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Bogus
CCP needs to tread a little more carefully around stuff like this. Player driven content is a great idea, but if nothing is sacred to the faceless "can't make exceptions" mindset, it starts to feel a bit hollow.
For instance, cleaning up the old cans and ships and whatnot was great. Deleting all the stuff in the new eden wormhole system was not. As silly and worthless as that "content" was, it represented quite a bit of player made history. There was stuff in there from years back, many players over time adding to the inherited quest to reach across a long stretch of space to try and get to the wormhole.
Probably a meaningless quest, but that's not the point. The point was it was one of the few things any player could contribute to and get a sense of history that spanned back to the beginning of the game. And now it's gone. That sacrifice was fine IF it was the only way to clean up the rest of eve. I don't think it was. Regardless, it was a sacrifice and probably a bigger one than CCP realizes.
So what's left? Titan wrecks and outposts? These are the only ways to make a lasting change to the face of eve?
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Thuranni
B and D
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Posted - 2008.08.27 07:13:00 -
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Edited by: Thuranni on 27/08/2008 07:14:11
Originally by: Chribba So CCP, I'm really looking forward to reading your public announcement of this policy change and the explanation of the decision.
Why? Is your "veldnaught" such a massively important historical monument that you deserve a personal explanation from CCP? Are you a beautiful and unique butterfly?
Capitals were never intended in highsec, man up and deal with it. They aren't "ruining another part of the player experience", they are fixing a mistake.
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Devilish Ledoux
Caldari Ledoux Holdings
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Posted - 2008.08.27 07:13:00 -
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Hey, if you're going to nerf things that depended on old game mechanics, but that can no longer be achieved by the players, why not start with T2 BPOs? Why pick on the Veldnaught?
Tin-foil hat answer: This is all because of that jerk who tried to suicide gank Chribba, isn't it? _
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Antoine Lefevre
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2008.08.27 07:13:00 -
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Originally by: Vaal Erit While I understand that Chribba is awesome for eve-search and eve-files and god knows what else, he is still a player and should play by the rules like everyone else.
Now this rule is pretty frivolous, and I think the Veldnaught is a peice of EVE-cana (or whatever, rofls) but favortism towards one player is never good, I mean if they nerfed speed but let eXtas keep his super nano-Mach, that wouldn't be very fair.
Sad to see this, they should have removed it a long time ago before the Veldnaught became something or a legend.
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Soporo
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.08.27 07:15:00 -
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Uh, just ... ugh.
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Silver Night
Caldari Naqam Exalted.
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Posted - 2008.08.27 07:15:00 -
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Edited by: Silver Night on 27/08/2008 07:15:10 I think a lot of the old - which is to say, good - team has moved on to other projects - China, WoD, ambulation, left CCP, etc. Hell, I'd love to have TomB back.
Recently CCP has made some really, really stupid moves. they did before too, but these have a much more irritating, developer-on-high making arbitrary, poorly thought out decisions feel to them. --------------
The Clown Man. GLS Mr. State Caldari Patriot. Sansha's Nation Supporter
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bnogo
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.08.27 07:16:00 -
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this is truly a sad day in eve history. I believe a lot of us want the reasoning behind this completely screwed up idea. I have generally been a fan of adapt or die with various game changes, but this seems to serve no purpose than to just **** people off.
I fear the results of these actions and wonder about the future of this once epic game.
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Sythyss
Twilight Trading Twilight Imperium
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Posted - 2008.08.27 07:17:00 -
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Originally by: Thuranni Edited by: Thuranni on 27/08/2008 07:14:11
Originally by: Chribba So CCP, I'm really looking forward to reading your public announcement of this policy change and the explanation of the decision.
Why? Is your "veldnaught" such a massively important historical monument that you deserve a personal explanation from CCP? Are you a beautiful and unique butterfly?
Capitals were never intended in highsec, man up and deal with it. They aren't "ruining another part of the player experience", they are fixing a mistake.
again, stfu and gtfo ^^ ---------------------------
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Thuranni
B and D
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Posted - 2008.08.27 07:18:00 -
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Originally by: Sythyss
Originally by: Thuranni Edited by: Thuranni on 27/08/2008 07:14:11
Originally by: Chribba So CCP, I'm really looking forward to reading your public announcement of this policy change and the explanation of the decision.
Why? Is your "veldnaught" such a massively important historical monument that you deserve a personal explanation from CCP? Are you a beautiful and unique butterfly?
Capitals were never intended in highsec, man up and deal with it. They aren't "ruining another part of the player experience", they are fixing a mistake.
again, stfu and gtfo ^^
Nice reply bro. Well thought out, answers my points, and polite.
I give this post a 8.5 out of 10. Keep on posting.
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Joss Sparq
Caldari ANZAC ALLIANCE Southern Cross Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.27 07:19:00 -
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This:
Originally by: Chribba So CCP, I'm really looking forward to reading your public announcement of this policy change and the explanation of the decision.
However,
Unless there is a phenomenal reason for this policy shift I think I can safely say that CCP have completely lost their minds when it comes to building good community relations ...
In the particular case of Chribba, I'm shocked that this is how CCP is going to treat someone (even indirectly) who has done so much for the EVE community. It is, quite frankly, a profoundly stupid proposal if it is true.
I'm also sympathetic to everyone else CCP may be planning to bend over the counter with this change.
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Volarius
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.08.27 07:20:00 -
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Who is this Kribba?
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Sergeant Spot
Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.08.27 07:20:00 -
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I wonder if the few Silver Magnets, Guardian Vexors, and other rare ships will soon be nerfed by Envy.
I realize that CCP might list some reasons "other" than the Envy of the "have nots" for the nerf, but I'm pretty sure envy is the real reason.
I'd STRONGLY support the following:
For all players who are not Chribba, who had such ships moved, pay them a flat 10 billion isk. If they can show a record of purchasing for more than 10 billion isk, pay them what they paid for the ship.
For players who are Chribba: Move his Veldnaught BACK to Amarr.
Play nice while you butcher each other.
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Devilish Ledoux
Caldari Ledoux Holdings
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Posted - 2008.08.27 07:21:00 -
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Originally by: Thuranni Is your "veldnaught" such a massively important historical monument that you deserve a personal explanation from CCP? Are you a beautiful and unique butterfly?
Yes and yes. _
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Joss Sparq
Caldari ANZAC ALLIANCE Southern Cross Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.27 07:22:00 -
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Originally by: Chribba
Originally by: EVE System 2008.08.26 15:23Hi. Capital ships are not allowed in high security space, can not be manufactured there and can not transported there. Your Dreadnought which was docked in Amarr VIII (Oris) - Emperor Family Academy, has been moved to a close low security system; Bordan IV - Moon 1 - Kaalakiota Corporation Factory.
And yes "EVE System" is the sender of such messages, same as last year when CCP unanchored LSAA's, and yes I already have a long exchange of petition messages regarding this.
Query: Chribba, did they even have the decency to give you a choice of system first?
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Sythyss
Twilight Trading Twilight Imperium
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Posted - 2008.08.27 07:22:00 -
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Originally by: Thuranni
Originally by: Sythyss
Originally by: Thuranni Edited by: Thuranni on 27/08/2008 07:14:11
Originally by: Chribba So CCP, I'm really looking forward to reading your public announcement of this policy change and the explanation of the decision.
Why? Is your "veldnaught" such a massively important historical monument that you deserve a personal explanation from CCP? Are you a beautiful and unique butterfly?
Capitals were never intended in highsec, man up and deal with it. They aren't "ruining another part of the player experience", they are fixing a mistake.
again, stfu and gtfo ^^
Nice reply bro. Well thought out, answers my points, and polite.
I give this post a 8.5 out of 10. Keep on posting.
I don't even need to explain myself. Try reading 99% of the other posts on this thread >.>. If you don't understand why this is important than you just need to sit down and think a bit longer. ---------------------------
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Elonitur
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Posted - 2008.08.27 07:23:00 -
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to move chribbas veldnaught into lowsec is like removing a landmark. hence he is a thrusted, and liked member of eve, this feels more injust. i am sure you would negotiate with him for a good deal. Maybe it is now in the line of the rules, but people feel if rules need an exeption. He has done so much, rename it as an experimantal Miningship from ISD Fix the fitting (not changeble) talk with chribba! Hell he deserves it more than another, look what he has done for players in eve.
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Arte
AFK
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Posted - 2008.08.27 07:24:00 -
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Originally by: Thuranni Edited by: Thuranni on 27/08/2008 07:14:11
Originally by: Chribba So CCP, I'm really looking forward to reading your public announcement of this policy change and the explanation of the decision.
Why? Is your "veldnaught" such a massively important historical monument that you deserve a personal explanation from CCP? Are you a beautiful and unique butterfly?
Capitals were never intended in highsec, man up and deal with it. They aren't "ruining another part of the player experience", they are fixing a mistake.
Yes,quite frankly the 'Veldnaught' is a living monument especially considering what Chribba has done for the Eve community, so get a clue and come back when you've had a talk to yourself in the mirror.
This isn't just about his though, it's about other owners of Caps that haven't left hi-sec since they were built. It's about yet another unannounced decision by someone (has the feel of an intern such is style of the release) at CCP that has little or no benefit to the game and serves only to ruin other people's playing pleasure.
No, capitals weren't meant for Hi-sec but they stated when they removed the ability to build them there that the ones already there could stay so long as they didn't agress... what's your problem with that?
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Damien Anders
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2008.08.27 07:25:00 -
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Originally by: Devilish Ledoux Hey, if you're going to nerf things that depended on old game mechanics, but that can no longer be achieved by the players, why not start with T2 BPOs? Why pick on the Veldnaught?
As he said: Unfair 'advantage' from older players against new players? Remove T2 BPOs, especially in an such economical driven game. "This wise man observed that wealth is a tool of freedom. But the pursuit of wealth is the way to slavery." |
Gottii
Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2008.08.27 07:25:00 -
[50]
This is....awful. ----------------------------------------------- All true old-school gamers know the only reliable way to stop a forum troll is with acid or fire... ----------------------------------------------- |
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Vikarion
Caldari BLACK 0RIGIN Red Dawn Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.27 07:25:00 -
[51]
What the hell?
So. This is what happens when you support a game with sites like Eve-files and so forth. You get kicked in the balls by CCP.
Chribba, I say take down all the services you provide until CCP relents. No, wait, that's just punishing the players, and CCP has been doing that enough already.
Sheesh. --------
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Sergeant Spot
Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.08.27 07:28:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Thuranni
Why? Is your "veldnaught" such a massively important historical monument that you deserve a personal explanation from CCP? Are you a beautiful and unique butterfly?
Actually, yes, the Veldnaught "IS" that special. And yes, Chribba "IS" deserving of it.
And if anyone else in game can make themselves into such a popular icon, I would not mind some special treatment for them too. (expect to spend a few years doing it, run several Eve support sites, and in general do thing that get you admired....)
Play nice while you butcher each other.
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Garia666
Amarr T.H.U.G L.I.F.E White Core
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Posted - 2008.08.27 07:28:00 -
[53]
I never seen such apost of chribba.. You have my support m8. ! I would love to read CCP there responds! www.garia.net |
Havohej
The Defias Brotherhood
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Posted - 2008.08.27 07:33:00 -
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I wanna click "Support" for Chribba, but that button isn't here.
Originally by: CCP Explorer You can still steal their stuff.
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ArmyOfMe
Personal Vendetta Vendetta Alliance.
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Posted - 2008.08.27 07:34:00 -
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Originally by: Havohej
I wanna click "Support" for Chribba, but that button isn't here.
here u go save the veldnaught
lets see if the csm is actually usefull for something
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Tippia
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.08.27 07:34:00 -
[56]
Pure idiocy on CCP's part.
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Myrhial Arkenath
Ghost Festival
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Posted - 2008.08.27 07:35:00 -
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While I normally would say "all players are equal" I feel the not agressing rule was good enough. It has never been broken, right?
Each game needs it's "must have seen/done before you quit". This is officially more sad than when blizzard killed wallclimbing in wow.
Will we still be able to see the veldnaught somewhere in low sec now? I never got a chance to see it before turning on the yarring path.
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Arthur Frayn
V.O.F.L IRON CORE H E L I C O N
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Posted - 2008.08.27 07:35:00 -
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I think everyone who has an issue with this should spam the general discussion forum with "Bring back the veldnought" threads until CCP wake up and correct their mistake. But it's just an idea..
I've never had a problem with a nerf before until now.
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Claudia Jefferson
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Posted - 2008.08.27 07:36:00 -
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Edited by: Claudia Jefferson on 27/08/2008 07:36:32 It is really lame not because it is Chribba but because it is eve history that caps once where allowed in highsec... so why not let the last of them stay there instead of wasting energy and gm time on such a stupid matter...
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Shevar
Minmatar A.W.M Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2008.08.27 07:37:00 -
[60]
Originally by: Arte Edited by: Arte on 27/08/2008 07:02:04
Originally by: Akita T Latest in a long line of STUPIDÖ choices CCP made recently.
Fixed that for you.. But aye, seems it's habit forming at the moment
Unfortunately true. --- -The only real drug problem is scoring real good drugs |
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Sythyss
Twilight Trading Twilight Imperium
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Posted - 2008.08.27 07:37:00 -
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Start the spamming! ---------------------------
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ArmyOfMe
Personal Vendetta Vendetta Alliance.
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Posted - 2008.08.27 07:38:00 -
[62]
will this veldnaught thread turn into a threadnaught?
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Sythyss
Twilight Trading Twilight Imperium
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Posted - 2008.08.27 07:38:00 -
[63]
everyone spam GD
nao ---------------------------
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Rabbitgod
Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2008.08.27 07:39:00 -
[64]
Way to crap all over the player base CCP.
I'm actually so angry I find that I am unable to describe with words what I feel at this moment. This is just stupid blind corporate bureaucratic policy that is slowly eroding something CCP used to pride it self on, fun with the game and player base. The ability to let eve have a few fun quarks that for the most part were harmless and gave eve that extra bit of color missing in games put out by huge corporate entities. Are you going to remove 0.0 acronyms now because they might infringe on someone else copy right? JB-007 comes to mind.
This whole thing leaves me felling like less of a fan not just of eve but of CCP as a whole. And I'm the kind of player that %99 of the time defends you guys, hell I even sent Christmas beer to your office in Iceland for Christmas last year as a way of saying thank you for a great game.
Also if dev happens to reply to this thread my only real ****ing question is why the **** didn't you run this policy change past the CSM, our so call elected representatives that are suppose to have a say in this shit. Anyone of them with more than 3 brain cells to rub together could have told you the level of stupidity that this seemingly simple change represented and the sheer rage it would have set off in people.
I need a ****ing drink.
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Arthur Frayn
V.O.F.L IRON CORE H E L I C O N
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Posted - 2008.08.27 07:40:00 -
[65]
Originally by: ArmyOfMe will this veldnaught thread turn into a threadnaught?
No subject has been more deserving of a forumnaught than this.
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2008.08.27 07:40:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Joss Sparq Query: Chribba, did they even have the decency to give you a choice of system first?
No. However, that won't be a problem. Once everything has been decided/explained etc I will petition it to be moved to a location of my choice, so its current low-sec location will not be a problem.
To all the pilots failing to see the message posted; This is not about just MY ship, this is about ALL capital ships in high-sec, no matter who the owner is. These ships was already regulated under the non-combat rules. Any aggressing combat would result in a swift move by GMs, this move is unprovoked, moving ALL historic icons!
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HenkieBoy
Enrave Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2008.08.27 07:40:00 -
[67]
The CCP employee must be just employed, can some other CCP employee smack his head and make things right?
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Tom Perrish
Mystic Lion Hearts Sev3rance
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Posted - 2008.08.27 07:40:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Claudia Jefferson Edited by: Claudia Jefferson on 27/08/2008 07:36:32 It is really lame not because it is Chribba but because it is eve history that caps once where allowed in highsec... so why not let the last of them stay there instead of wasting energy and gm time on such a stupid matter...
QFT
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Thann Starlinbow
Minmatar Slacker Industries
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Posted - 2008.08.27 07:40:00 -
[69]
This was really a stupid move, CCP. What possible reason is there for this when high-sec cap ships are already restricted from any form of combat on pain of exploit?
Give them back like they were.
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Gotchy
Minmatar ZEALOT WARRIORS AGAINST TERRORISTS Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.27 07:41:00 -
[70]
Sorry Chribba,
A capital ship is a capital ship and shouldnt be in high sec space.
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Kleus Flek
Hard Corp Carbide and Diamonds Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.27 07:41:00 -
[71]
On the bright side, there could be some sort of real reason for doing this. Maybe there's a new feature that CCP is implementing. Perhaps this new feature could be easily exploited by having those few cap ships in hisec.
I donno, I'm reaching for straws. But beyond some true reason that CCP doesn't want to reveal... This is bullcrap. Screwing over loyal players? Should it have to go this far?
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Sythyss
Twilight Trading Twilight Imperium
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Posted - 2008.08.27 07:42:00 -
[72]
Edited by: Sythyss on 27/08/2008 07:42:32 moar spam is needed
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Jacob Holland
Gallente Weyland-Vulcan Industries
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Posted - 2008.08.27 07:43:00 -
[73]
If this is because of endemic rules violations, if capitals have been agressing across high sec and the GM team are worked off their feet dealing with them then fine...
If the Veldnaught has broken the rules then fine...
But if this is just the removal of more uniqueness then please don't. What's next? the prize ships? is the Fedathron going to be disappearing because it can't be bought with loyalty points? --
Originally by: cordy
Respect to IAC .Your one of the few people who truly deserve to own and live in the space you are in.
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2008.08.27 07:43:00 -
[74]
tbh spamming will not solve anything, only make it worse I think.
As for the reason, yeah I too hope it is for a good cause, and that yet waits to see in any announcement coming...
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Cyberman Mastermind
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Posted - 2008.08.27 07:44:00 -
[75]
Originally by: Thuranni Why? Is your "veldnaught" such a massively important historical monument that you deserve a personal explanation from CCP?
As others said, yes to many it is. Besides, he never asked specifically for HIS capital to be moved back. Either way, I would ask for an explanation to any change CCP does to the game. We ARE paying them, don't we deserve to know WHY they changed something?
Quote: Capitals were never intended in highsec, man up and deal with it. They aren't "ruining another part of the player experience", they are fixing a mistake.
What mistake? Capitals in high-sec are about as useful as a civilian mining laser in 0.0 . They couldn't do anything and never hurt anyone. -------------------------------------------------- I'm a rich person. How I know? I can afford to be a miner. |
Darkireland
Caldari Hematite Rose Bionic Dawn
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Posted - 2008.08.27 07:44:00 -
[76]
So was this done for any reason other than to show the player base ccp no longer gives a shit about them?
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Sirial Soulfly
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Posted - 2008.08.27 07:45:00 -
[77]
But we cant have an obvious 'capital in empire flying exploiter' running amok in empire, it would be madness!
Just imagine all the noobs he could gank, and don't forget its not fair to all the other capital pilots that would like to gank noobs in empire as well, but aren't allowed to.
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Arthur Frayn
V.O.F.L IRON CORE H E L I C O N
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Posted - 2008.08.27 07:46:00 -
[78]
Past experience has taught us that threadnoughts do help to change policy. Did people forget the carrier/fighter nerf that got deflated almost as soon as it was announced?
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Reven Cordelle
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.08.27 07:46:00 -
[79]
What the ****ing hell.
I never even got to see the veldnaught...
I even flew to Amarr especially last Saturday to find Chribba and the Veldnaught and.. he.. wasn't in system but THATS NOT THE POINT.
****sake CCP. Like those capitals ever did anything wrong... Cept sit there, mine a few roids. Not sure about the others but I havent heard of any Capital related ganks in High Sec. Its mostly Kestrels doing that.
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THEGREAT LOBO
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2008.08.27 07:47:00 -
[80]
CCP, please stop messing with our game.
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Damion Zyne
Des Esseintes Social Club
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Posted - 2008.08.27 07:47:00 -
[81]
Its bitter to see a company like CCP getting completly out of touch with their customers and partly with their own game. The list of badly thought out "changes" in the last months is growing. I hope Im wrong, but your lack of focus and vision is really becomming apparent lately (lack of dev blogs f.ex. economic dev blog missing out twice allready, useless forum changes, lack of feedback on the speed changes, no alliance championship ...).
Move Chribbas dread back and dont become some silly blindly rule enforcing zombie numpties like any other company.
Free Chribba !!!
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Jekaterine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.08.27 07:47:00 -
[82]
This is utter and sheer stupidity.
I remember seeing the Veldnaught a while back and it brought a smile to my face as the amount of positive things in this game is far and few between.
I like the thought of these few ships moving around like a small attraction for veteran and newbie alike to glance at.
How you at CCP even waste time in order to do this astounds me. What you should have done instead is making sure your brains gets enough oxygen.
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Sythyss
Twilight Trading Twilight Imperium
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Posted - 2008.08.27 07:47:00 -
[83]
noooooo they deleted our spam
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Tom Perrish
Mystic Lion Hearts Sev3rance
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Posted - 2008.08.27 07:47:00 -
[84]
Edited by: Tom Perrish on 27/08/2008 07:47:41
Originally by: Sirial Soulfly But we cant have an obvious 'capital in empire flying exploiter' running amok in empire, it would be madness!
Just imagine all the noobs he could gank, and don't forget its not fair to all the other capital pilots that would like to gank noobs in empire as well, but aren't allowed to.
1)he would gank exact noob -> concord -> solved 2)he would use the cap in any other combat in empire -> exploit -> banned -> solved
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dellie
Darwin With Attitude Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2008.08.27 07:48:00 -
[85]
Originally by: Jacob Holland
What's next? the prize ships? is the Fedathron going to be disappearing because it can't be bought with loyalty points?
*dellie pages Entity to this thread.
Better run and hide ccp
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Ooyama
Caldari Rastana CMP Motivated and Determined
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Posted - 2008.08.27 07:49:00 -
[86]
Originally by: Cyberman Mastermind
Originally by: Thuranni Why? Is your "veldnaught" such a massively important historical monument that you deserve a personal explanation from CCP?
As others said, yes to many it is. Besides, he never asked specifically for HIS capital to be moved back. Either way, I would ask for an explanation to any change CCP does to the game. We ARE paying them, don't we deserve to know WHY they changed something?
Quote: Capitals were never intended in highsec, man up and deal with it. They aren't "ruining another part of the player experience", they are fixing a mistake.
What mistake? Capitals in high-sec are about as useful as a civilian mining laser in 0.0 . They couldn't do anything and never hurt anyone.
QFT, and CCP,,, please let's know why.
If you intend on some new features that whould be exploitable, with hisec caps, just say it, but i can't really think that it whould be due to some "never before mentioned agression, done by a hisec cap", as that whould've just gotten that ship moved to lo faster than the olsen twins lost their virginity.
"Yama".
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Evelgrivion
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.08.27 07:49:00 -
[87]
Keep in mind that there's some underlying frustrations in the source of my post here, so bear with me.
CCP is a great company that has created a great Internet Spaceship game. However, CCP seems to be doing so many things wrong lately that it makes me wonder what person is making ridiculous changes to perfectly acceptable, and formerly welcome things in the EVE Online experience. What is there to possibly gain from knocking out such a classic icon as the veldnought from highsec space? Why remove these capital ships at all?
If fairness is the reason... I don't even know what to think. Since when was EVE meant to be fair?
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Arthur Frayn
V.O.F.L IRON CORE H E L I C O N
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Posted - 2008.08.27 07:49:00 -
[88]
This thread needs to stay at the top of the page where everyone can see it, for as long as it takes.
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Sythyss
Twilight Trading Twilight Imperium
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Posted - 2008.08.27 07:51:00 -
[89]
Originally by: Arthur Frayn This thread needs to stay at the top of the page where everyone can see it, for as long as it takes.
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Odda
Gallente Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2008.08.27 07:52:00 -
[90]
CCP fails to listen to comuntiy again, it cant be true!? or can it?
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Mixa'Nujemush Xufaye
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Posted - 2008.08.27 07:53:00 -
[91]
Can remember the first time i saw my first hi sec cap gotta say i think they should stay
sighned/
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Krystal Demishy
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Posted - 2008.08.27 07:54:00 -
[92]
Stop crying, that is a neeeded change; i'm surprised it was never done before!
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Arthur Frayn
V.O.F.L IRON CORE H E L I C O N
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Posted - 2008.08.27 07:54:00 -
[93]
Originally by: Krystal Demishy Stop crying, that is a neeeded change; i'm surprised it was never done before!
Gtfo, you week-old idiot.
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Cyberman Mastermind
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Posted - 2008.08.27 07:54:00 -
[94]
Originally by: Krystal Demishy Stop crying, that is a neeeded change; i'm surprised it was never done before!
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Devilish Ledoux
Caldari Ledoux Holdings
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Posted - 2008.08.27 07:55:00 -
[95]
Originally by: Cyberman Mastermind
Originally by: Krystal Demishy Stop crying, that is a neeeded change; i'm surprised it was never done before!
Why is it needed?
Because trolls are hungry. _
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Atomos Darksun
Infortunatus Eventus Obsidian Empire
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Posted - 2008.08.27 07:55:00 -
[96]
CCP turning into SoE?
C/D?
This blows.
Originally by: Amoxin My vent is talking to me in a devil voice...
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Krystal Demishy
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Posted - 2008.08.27 07:56:00 -
[97]
Originally by: Thuranni Why? Is your "veldnaught" such a massively important historical monument that you deserve a personal explanation from CCP? Are you a beautiful and unique butterfly?
Capitals were never intended in highsec, man up and deal with it. They aren't "ruining another part of the player experience", they are fixing a mistake.[/quote
Quote for the holy sacred fair truth.
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Ooyama
Caldari Rastana CMP Motivated and Determined
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Posted - 2008.08.27 07:56:00 -
[98]
Originally by: Krystal Demishy Stop crying, that is a neeeded change; i'm surprised it was never done before!
You know,, that is almost close to HERESY!!!
*goes to ready his gankmobile*
"Yama".
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Arte
AFK
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Posted - 2008.08.27 07:57:00 -
[99]
Edited by: Arte on 27/08/2008 08:04:52
Originally by: Gotchy Sorry Chribba,
A capital ship is a capital ship and shouldnt be in high sec space.
Strictly speaking wrong. Cyno's are not allowed in hi-sec. Capital ships cannot be made in hi-sec. Ergo cap ships cannot move into hi-sec. But if they're there, there were allowed to stay so long as they didn't abuse their position.
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Vikarion
Caldari BLACK 0RIGIN Red Dawn Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.27 07:59:00 -
[100]
Originally by: HenkieBoy The CCP employee must be just employed, can some other CCP employee smack his head and make things right?
Fire him. This is worse than T20. At least T20 wasn't hurting the players for no reason other than hurting them. --------
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Krystal Demishy
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Posted - 2008.08.27 07:59:00 -
[101]
Originally by: Arte
Cyno's are not allowed in hi-sec. Capital ships cannot be made in hi-sec. cap ships cannot move into hi-sec.
nuff said.
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Vikarion
Caldari BLACK 0RIGIN Red Dawn Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.27 08:00:00 -
[102]
Originally by: Mixa'Nujemush Xufaye Can remember the first time i saw my first hi sec cap gotta say i think they should stay
sighned/
I never even got to see it. And now I never will, looks like.
Man, it's things like this that make want to not log on. --------
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Sythyss
Twilight Trading Twilight Imperium
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Posted - 2008.08.27 08:01:00 -
[103]
Originally by: Krystal Demishy
Originally by: Arte
Cyno's are not allowed in hi-sec. Capital ships cannot be made in hi-sec. cap ships cannot move into hi-sec.
nuff said.
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Kleus Flek
Hard Corp Carbide and Diamonds Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.27 08:01:00 -
[104]
Originally by: Krystal Demishy Stop crying, that is a neeeded change; i'm surprised it was never done before!
Gtfo of this thread!
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Arthur Frayn
V.O.F.L IRON CORE H E L I C O N
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Posted - 2008.08.27 08:01:00 -
[105]
Originally by: Krystal Demishy
Originally by: Arte
Cyno's are not allowed in hi-sec. Capital ships cannot be made in hi-sec. cap ships cannot move into hi-sec.
nuff said.
By your attitude, I can only assume you have not played EVE long enough to discover what makes this not only a good game, but a great game.
Now thanks to CCP's decision, you may never know what made EVE a cut above the rest because it soon won't be.
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Durzel
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.08.27 08:01:00 -
[106]
Edited by: Durzel on 27/08/2008 08:02:08 Whilst I know Chribba's Veldnaught was docile, how many of the other ones manufactured in high-sec weren't being abused? I'd be interested to see some statistics of how big a problem this actually is before forming an informed opinion about it.
As far as I was aware it is still possible to manufacture capitals in high-sec where there already exists a manufacturing POS (or however it works), perhaps the people who "paid billions for high-sec capitals" are the ones who have brought this rule change upon themselves?
*shrug* It's a shame really, but ultimately one man's benevolence with his capitals in high-sec shouldn't be a green card for more malicious high-sec capital owner antics, if indeed this was happening.
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Veaon
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Posted - 2008.08.27 08:02:00 -
[107]
Quote: So CCP, I'm really looking forward to reading your public announcement of this policy change and the explanation of the decision.
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Shidama Hiroriy
Minmatar Gristle Industries
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Posted - 2008.08.27 08:02:00 -
[108]
Let me guess. CCP is banking that a lot of new players will come into EVE when ambulation hits, so this is part of the campaign to make the new crowd feel more comfortable in high sec. So they got rid of capitals to decrease the jealousy people might feel. Is that why CCP? Go on admit it. I want to hear you say it.
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Devilish Ledoux
Caldari Ledoux Holdings
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Posted - 2008.08.27 08:02:00 -
[109]
Stop feeding the alt-troll. _
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FalconHawk
Amarr Shadow Rebellion
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Posted - 2008.08.27 08:02:00 -
[110]
so many problems/bugs to solve and CCP is messing around with historical landmarks/ tourist attractions .... as if there is nothing else to do
and secondly messing around with one of the most famous and liked community members ... is this now the time to **** off the playerbase so they are willing to move to new projects?
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Joss Sparq
Caldari ANZAC ALLIANCE Southern Cross Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.27 08:03:00 -
[111]
Originally by: Arthur Frayn This thread needs to stay at the top of the page where everyone can see it, for as long as it takes.
Which means all posts to it should be on topic, relevant to it.
On a personal note, I was thinking earlier this week that it'd be kind of cool (and perhaps a little dorky) to go on a kind of pilgrimage with my mining Alt (in his Hulk of course) to go see the Veldnought doing what it is famous for doing. Unfortunately, I don't think I'm ever going to get the chance to do that now and I feel a little cheated.
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Ooyama
Caldari Rastana CMP Motivated and Determined
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Posted - 2008.08.27 08:03:00 -
[112]
Originally by: Krystal Demishy
Originally by: Arte
Cyno's are not allowed in hi-sec. Capital ships cannot be made in hi-sec. cap ships cannot move into hi-sec.
nuff said.
Krystal,, before quoting anyone,, get ur facts straight,, Caps can't be made in hisec ANYMORE!!! when they wheer introduced, they COULD be made in hisec, the rules where changed though, but the ones that where ALREADY in hi where allowed to stay (aslong as they DID NOT aggro).
STFU + GBTW (as you apparently has no respect for eve-history, i assume that's where ur from)!
"Yama".
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Tuvar Hiede
Caldari Cold Suns Squadron
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Posted - 2008.08.27 08:03:00 -
[113]
I am truly sorry to hear this has happened. to those who want to argue that there was a reason behind it. stop and think for a bit. These capitals have no combat ability, because as soon as they are used in such a way its either the Grand old Concord or some GM slapping a nice ban in their face.
I was planning on seeing the veldnaught sometime, becuase of its status as one of EVE's old Icons, something to show where we came from - it is part of EVE history, and should be preserved. the other capitals in high sec hold a similar status. Relics of a past, something to show newer players and give them something to be awed by.
CCP, what on earth is going on here? what good can come of this?
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Tratis Sykes
Gallente Heavy Industry Technology and Logistics
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Posted - 2008.08.27 08:03:00 -
[114]
This is an odd behaivior from CCP, and remembers more to the doings of money driven companys like Blizzard and SOE. They are known for their ignorance against their customers. Perhaps a noob saw Chribbas Veldnaught or one of the other few caps left in High Sec and made his diaper full of sh... and petionioned about it. Dunno. This is totaly madness. And this is NOT Veldspar(ta)!
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Eran Laude
Gallente The Aduro Protocol
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Posted - 2008.08.27 08:04:00 -
[115]
Liek totully sined!!!
It's ridonkulous TBH, Chribbas' Veldnaught is an awesome thing of beauty and I will emorage about it on the forums all day if that's what it takes to let the remaining hi-sec capitals stay. They're so few in number, can do practically nothing and are limited to the systems they're in at the moment, so why bother nerfing them? It's an easy way, especially with Chribba's veldnaught, to see a capital for the first time!
Not to mention the fact that it sounds like some idiot new guy at CCP has been reading the "Nerf Chribba!" threads and posts that crop up every week and taken it literally and seriously. Fire whoever decided to make this stupid, stupid change
/signed
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Krystal Demishy
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Posted - 2008.08.27 08:04:00 -
[116]
Originally by: Ooyama
You know,, that is almost close to HERESY!!!
You are ridiculous, this thread just prove that even Chribba is a noob carabear flame troller, whining for a "nerf".
I want my outpost in high sec then.
Originally by: Ooyama
*goes to ready his gankmobile*
You scare nobody, even chickens are laughing at you. Try me!
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Vikarion
Caldari BLACK 0RIGIN Red Dawn Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.27 08:04:00 -
[117]
Originally by: Durzel
As far as I was aware it is still possible to manufacture capitals in high-sec where there already exists a manufacturing POS (or however it works), perhaps the people who "paid billions for high-sec capitals" are the ones who have brought this rule change upon themselves?
*shrug* It's a shame really, but ultimately one man's benevolence with his capitals in high-sec shouldn't be a green card for more malicious high-sec capital owner antics, if indeed this was happening.
No. No capitals could be produced in hi-sec anymore. And it was impossible to use them maliciously - the instant you did, it got moved to low-sec. This new policy is entirely bullcrap. --------
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Arte
AFK
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Posted - 2008.08.27 08:05:00 -
[118]
Originally by: Krystal Demishy
Originally by: Arte
Strictly speaking wrong. Cyno's are not allowed in hi-sec. Capital ships cannot be made in hi-sec. Ergo cap ships cannot move into hi-sec. But if they're there, there were allowed to stay so long as they didn't abuse their position.
nuff said.
Bold for emphasis. Way to misquote and miss the point entirely. Troll
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Omber Zombie
Gallente Frontier Technologies
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Posted - 2008.08.27 08:05:00 -
[119]
what an utterly stupid decision ----------------------
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Mithrantir Ob'lontra
Gallente Ixion Defence Systems
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Posted - 2008.08.27 08:05:00 -
[120]
Originally by: LaVista Vista Dear CCP.
I hope for you that this actually makes a different beyond upsetting the community.
It better cure 2 types of cancer and solve all lag. Else, this is a horrible horrible move which in my eyes, should be reversed
Much Love Me.
I agree with this message.
Chribba's Veldnaught was/is an attraction for all the new players that want to see a Capital without getting shot at. Moving it to low sec is a move that was unnecessary to express myself gently. ------- Nobody can be exactly like me. Even I have trouble doing it. |
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Vikarion
Caldari BLACK 0RIGIN Red Dawn Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.27 08:06:00 -
[121]
Originally by: FalconHawk so many problems/bugs to solve and CCP is messing around with historical landmarks/ tourist attractions .... as if there is nothing else to do
and secondly messing around with one of the most famous and liked community members ... is this now the time to **** off the playerbase so they are willing to move to new projects?
My overview is constantly bugged, I still get de-synched, and POS's have all sorts of problems. So what do they do? NERF CHRIBBA!
They need to get a clue. Now. --------
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Cyberman Mastermind
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Posted - 2008.08.27 08:07:00 -
[122]
Originally by: Cyberman Mastermind
Originally by: Krystal Demishy Stop crying, that is a neeeded change; i'm surprised it was never done before!
Why is it needed?
I'm still curious to know why it is a needed change. And no, "caps aren't allowed in high-sec" doesn't count. They were till now, why not anymore? Where is the big problem?
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Vikarion
Caldari BLACK 0RIGIN Red Dawn Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.27 08:08:00 -
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Originally by: Joss Sparq
On a personal note, I was thinking earlier this week that it'd be kind of cool (and perhaps a little dorky) to go on a kind of pilgrimage with my mining Alt (in his Hulk of course) to go see the Veldnought doing what it is famous for doing. Unfortunately, I don't think I'm ever going to get the chance to do that now and I feel a little cheated.
Exactly. It's like CCP are trying to eliminate anything that makes anyone unique or exceptional. They're destroying all the player made history in the game.
The Eve gate, the cemetery, and now the veld-nought. --------
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Krystal Demishy
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Posted - 2008.08.27 08:09:00 -
[124]
Originally by: Ooyama Krystal,, before quoting anyone,, get ur facts straight,, Caps can't be made in hisec ANYMORE!!![/quote
I know perfectly how things works and used to work. If this changed then it need to change for everyone!
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Terianna Eri
Amarr Scrutari
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Posted - 2008.08.27 08:09:00 -
[125]
Originally by: Darkireland So was this done for any reason other than to show the player base ccp no longer gives a shit about them?
With all due respect to CCP I'm pretty sure that the decision to do this wasn't made with a "hur hur, let's make sure everyone hates us" attitude.
Nevertheless...
You guys are sure doing a good job of making sure of just that.
Seriously. I'm not particularly angry - I can't be, it's not my game - but I am disappointed. I am disappointed in whoever thought this was a good, or even acceptable, idea, and disappointed in whoever condoned the action, and disappointed in everyone who heard about it and didn't speak up with "are you insane? It's the freaking veldnaught?" Why in the world would you do this? Was Chribba dominating the Amarr market for Veldspar and you're nerfing him directly? Did being able to fit 3 mining lasers to a capital ship give him an unfair advantage? (How much veld/sec does the veldnaught even eat anyway)
Or was it like "hey, this is a minor, meaningless inconsistency with the game, better fix it and get it out of the way."?
Or was it some GM who didn't quite realize why exactly the veldnaught - and other hisec capitals - were still in hisec in the first place, and just made an honest mistake?
The Veldnaught is famous. People travel from all over New Eden to get a look at it. How else is a new player likely to see a capital and get that sense of scale, without getting blown up in some supercapital fight?
What possible reason could there be to do this?
Fun fact - favoritism is only a bad thing if it goes to undeserving people or if it provides a real benefit to the player. Chribba of all people is deserving of such a thing and I think everyone knows it. And to be honest, having the privelige of mining in a dreadnaught in Amarr isn't really a benefit. It's just cool.
CCP... you're slipping, and it makes me very sad. Faction warfare is meaningless - I thought you were going to let us, the players, actually affect something, but taking control of systems - really the only thing you can do aside from shoot other people - is pointless, so you spent 1-2 years designing, basically, what Red vs. Blue did first. The speed changes are imho excessive - it's like you brainstormed all the ways you could nerf speed, and then did all of them at once. You've nerfed privateers long ago (by the way, that was lame), are going to nerf suicide ganking in the near future (yep, protect those people too lazy to protect themselves, that's what EVE is about... right?), and I'm not looking forward to your changes to the wardec mechanisms - you're talking about giving us specific goals and victory conditions, but hey, you promised that with FW and look where that got us. And most disturbingly you seem to have this tendency to make changes to the game with a huge freaking hammer, ****ing all over what the players have worked hard to make. Get rid of all junk cans? fine. Get rid of the collective history of the new eden system and the eve gate, all the cans put there by players? lame. Forcing Azia to move her cemetery? lame. Get any combative capitals out of highsec? fine. Move an iconic ship belonging to the one player who has probably done the most for you? (Eve-files, eve-search, etc) Very, very lame.
Let's be honest here. EVE's gameplay isn't the best. It needs some work. But half the reason I stick with the game is because I think you folks at CCP do a good job and genuinely care about the players and what we've done.
I still think you do. But you're choosing a really, really terrible way to go about it. ... And it's harder to believe, now, that you're not going to keep trashing what the players have done like this for the sake of equality and consistency, so you can present that face to the new players you're always trying to bring in.
So I'm not angry, but I am... Disappointed... Worried...
And feeling cheated.
Turn yourselves around, CCP. ~Terianna Eri __________________________________
Originally by: Arthur Frayn How much to ruin all your holes, luv?
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Blackened Soul
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Posted - 2008.08.27 08:10:00 -
[126]
Originally by: Durzel Edited by: Durzel on 27/08/2008 08:02:08 Whilst I know Chribba's Veldnaught was docile, how many of the other ones manufactured in high-sec weren't being abused? I'd be interested to see some statistics of how big a problem this actually is before forming an informed opinion about it.
As far as I was aware it is still possible to manufacture capitals in high-sec where there already exists a manufacturing POS (or however it works), perhaps the people who "paid billions for high-sec capitals" are the ones who have brought this rule change upon themselves?
*shrug* It's a shame really, but ultimately one man's benevolence with his capitals in high-sec shouldn't be a green card for more malicious high-sec capital owner antics, if indeed this was happening.
the hi-sec cap manufacturing facilities got nerfed, ages back, (while chribbas infant rorqual was in production)
the current hi sec caps were limited by exploit rules, essentially meaning that agression would result in all manner of shitstorm. the hi sec capitals were limited to one system, couldnt be used in combat, couldnt be replaced, essentially they were show pieces and nothing more.
no possible reason to move them, probably done by someone who just likes to take a piece of game history and chuck it out the window, the kind of people who dont care about eve theyre just there for the job.
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Jogvan
coracao ardente Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.08.27 08:10:00 -
[127]
Totally ghey CCP
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Taipan Leviathan
The Maverick Navy Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.08.27 08:11:00 -
[128]
Keep the veldnaught!
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Arte
AFK
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Posted - 2008.08.27 08:11:00 -
[129]
Originally by: Cyberman Mastermind
Originally by: Cyberman Mastermind
Originally by: Krystal Demishy Stop crying, that is a neeeded change; i'm surprised it was never done before!
Why is it needed?
I'm still curious to know why it is a needed change. And no, "caps aren't allowed in high-sec" doesn't count. They were till now, why not anymore? Where is the big problem?
I'm quite sure it's impossible to attack someone with a capital in high-sec, we'd have read about it.
Just think, if caps were allowed then maybe that Wyvern would have been destroyed before it hit the station and we wouldn't have all this nasty war business!!!
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Tuvar Hiede
Caldari Cold Suns Squadron
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Posted - 2008.08.27 08:11:00 -
[130]
Originally by: Krystal Demishy
Originally by: Ooyama Krystal,, before quoting anyone,, get ur facts straight,, Caps can't be made in hisec ANYMORE!!![/quote
I know perfectly how things works and used to work. If this changed then it need to change for everyone!
It truly does seem that some people have no heart... what's wrong with it there? it can't do anything other than be a tourist icon. and a part of EVE history
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Del ReyII
Caldari Shadow Research Inc
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Posted - 2008.08.27 08:11:00 -
[131]
Your a better guy than I, if you keep all your extra services like eve-files working when your treated like this.
CCP need to know a ****ed off Chribba.
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Tom Perrish
Mystic Lion Hearts Sev3rance
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Posted - 2008.08.27 08:13:00 -
[132]
nice to see how threats are deleted about this issue but no one of ccp have the balls to answear here...
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Vikarion
Caldari BLACK 0RIGIN Red Dawn Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.27 08:13:00 -
[133]
Originally by: Terianna Eri
Let's be honest here. EVE's gameplay isn't the best. It needs some work. But half the reason I stick with the game is because I think you folks at CCP do a good job and genuinely care about the players and what we've done.
You are too generous. I don't. Not anymore. It took them 10 months, but they've successfully convinced me that they're just in it for the money, and could give a crap about the players.
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Where I got my great sig... |
Vikarion
Caldari BLACK 0RIGIN Red Dawn Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.27 08:14:00 -
[134]
Edited by: Vikarion on 27/08/2008 08:14:48
Originally by: Tom Perrish nice to see how threats are deleted about this issue but no one of ccp have the balls to answear here...
They usually only answer in the fanboi threads anymore. They "explain" this by saying that they get insulted in the complaint threads. Well, after a decision like this, they deserve to get insulted. --------
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Ooyama
Caldari Rastana CMP Motivated and Determined
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Posted - 2008.08.27 08:14:00 -
[135]
Originally by: Krystal Demishy
You are ridiculous, this thread just prove that even Chribba is a noob carabear flame troller, whining for a "nerf".
I want my outpost in high sec then.
Guess i was right in my assumptions on your IQ-level, as that statement talks for itself.
Before posting anything again, i suggest you research some eve-history, read up on what a nerf is (before using the word again), and generally try to get some grasp of what common sense is when wanting to argue.
As for your remarks about me, that only shows your maturitylevel, as this is a topic bout a piece of in-game history. Apparently you have no idea on what sarcasm is, aswell as don't know enough about the games in's and out's to be taken seriously anymore.
I don't know many of the hisec cap's, but the Veldnaught has for ages been a landmark in the game,, and hence (taking into consideration that there where rules allready securing that hisec cap's COULD NOT BE ABUSED!) this action from CCP was uncalled for,,, atleast aslong as there is no explanation on why it happened.
"Yama".
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Dihania
Gallente SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2008.08.27 08:14:00 -
[136]
Originally by: Akita T Last in a long line of STUPIDÖ choices CCP made recently.
I am sure you intend latest, as in other stupid things to come, which we all are sure about. Shame for the Veldnought, was a nice icon, especially when used by someone in a pacifist(?sp) manner.
[hrhr]
Sniggwaffe is recruiting. Visit channel "join sniggwaffe" in game.
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Arte
AFK
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Posted - 2008.08.27 08:15:00 -
[137]
Originally by: Krystal Demishy
Originally by: Ooyama
Krystal,, before quoting anyone,, get ur facts straight,, Caps can't be made in hisec ANYMORE!!!
I know perfectly how things works and used to work. If this changed then it need to change for everyone!
It did change for everyone. No-one was allowed to make cap ships in hi-sec after the change... no exceptios were made. Sadly you're not as informed as you like to think
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50freefly
Caldari Neo Spartans
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Posted - 2008.08.27 08:15:00 -
[138]
CCP. Honestly?
**** this
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HankMurphy
Minmatar Pelennor Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.08.27 08:15:00 -
[139]
have you seen your birthday?
keep a good eye on it. ccp might take it when no one is looking ------------------------------ of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most |
Tuvar Hiede
Caldari Cold Suns Squadron
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Posted - 2008.08.27 08:15:00 -
[140]
Originally by: Vikarion
Originally by: Terianna Eri
Let's be honest here. EVE's gameplay isn't the best. It needs some work. But half the reason I stick with the game is because I think you folks at CCP do a good job and genuinely care about the players and what we've done.
You are too generous. I don't. Not anymore. It took them 10 months, but they've successfully convinced me that they're just in it for the money, and could give a crap about the players.
Unfortunately I think you are hitting very close to the truth there. But even if that is true, how can this help than make money? detraying their playerbase and doing something that will OF COURSE annoy people. \o/ for CCP f*** ups
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Marlenus
Caldari Ironfleet Towing And Salvage
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Posted - 2008.08.27 08:16:00 -
[141]
This is just astonishing.
Why?
What possible reason could there be for doing this?
Chribba, I've been insanely jealous of you since I first heard about your Veldnaught. But I also thought it was insanely cool.
I'm just disgusted that CCP would wipe that away with (apparently) no good reason. ------------------ Ironfleet.com |
Eran Laude
Gallente The Aduro Protocol
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Posted - 2008.08.27 08:16:00 -
[142]
Edited by: Eran Laude on 27/08/2008 08:16:13 Everyone needs to read and support this CSM Thread.
Bloody outrage . . .
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Mithrantir Ob'lontra
Gallente Ixion Defence Systems
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Posted - 2008.08.27 08:16:00 -
[143]
Originally by: Arte
Just think, if caps were allowed then maybe that Wyvern would have been destroyed before it hit the station and we wouldn't have all this nasty war business!!!
Wyvern hitting a station?
Maybe you wanted to say a Nyx???
And once again. Leave Veldnaught in high sec. ------- Nobody can be exactly like me. Even I have trouble doing it. |
Arthur Frayn
V.O.F.L IRON CORE H E L I C O N
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Posted - 2008.08.27 08:17:00 -
[144]
I hope this thread exceeds the 600+ posts devoted to that idiotic "nerf level 4's" whine.
-- Eventus stultorum magister. |
Jimer Lins
Gallente Federation Fleet
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Posted - 2008.08.27 08:17:00 -
[145]
I'll bet 10 million ISK that someone petitioned it being in highsec.
3 guesses as to who, and the first 2 are already wrong.
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2008.08.27 08:17:00 -
[146]
Well.
*tips his hat to the side*
*adjusts his concord thong*
Now Chribba, i've known him long, not personally, but known still and i've known Chribba before...well...let's just say before Chribba was Chribba. I do believe he too is enforced by the rules like anyone else, and if CCP so demands, well, it's their choice ofcourse.
I can't sit here saying that i "care", or that this is an "outrage", but if the capitals aren't doing anything wrong in highsec, and i doubt mining veldspar is "wrong", they should just keep 'em as "part of the storyline". Old remenants, unarmed, basically useless, husks of times of old.
Like Chribba, i'd simply like an explanation of why this is a needed change. Nothing mroe, nothing rabble. CSM get to work.
My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit. |
Devilish Ledoux
Caldari Ledoux Holdings
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Posted - 2008.08.27 08:18:00 -
[147]
Originally by: Arthur Frayn I hope this thread exceeds the 600+ posts devoted to that idiotic "nerf level 4's" whine.
That'll never happen because the only people who post in disagreement with this move are trolls. _
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Ooyama
Caldari Rastana CMP Motivated and Determined
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Posted - 2008.08.27 08:18:00 -
[148]
Originally by: Krystal Demishy
Originally by: Ooyama Krystal,, before quoting anyone,, get ur facts straight,, Caps can't be made in hisec ANYMORE!!![/quote
I know perfectly how things works and used to work. If this changed then it need to change for everyone!
It DID change for everyone! No new cap's could be built in hisec, and the ones that where there where restricted to forever staying in 1(!) system, aswell as NEVER being used as the immense combat-machines they where designed as.
"Yama".
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Vikarion
Caldari BLACK 0RIGIN Red Dawn Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.27 08:19:00 -
[149]
Edited by: Vikarion on 27/08/2008 08:19:40
Originally by: Tuvar Hiede
Originally by: Vikarion
Originally by: Terianna Eri
Let's be honest here. EVE's gameplay isn't the best. It needs some work. But half the reason I stick with the game is because I think you folks at CCP do a good job and genuinely care about the players and what we've done.
You are too generous. I don't. Not anymore. It took them 10 months, but they've successfully convinced me that they're just in it for the money, and could give a crap about the players.
Unfortunately I think you are hitting very close to the truth there. But even if that is true, how can this help than make money? detraying their playerbase and doing something that will OF COURSE annoy people. \o/ for CCP f*** ups
Because when you stop caring about your customers, you stop caring about your product. That's why.
To be quite honest, this is CCP symbollically telling the players: "screw you". --------
Where I got my great sig... |
Soulita
Gallente Inner Core
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Posted - 2008.08.27 08:19:00 -
[150]
Why? OHHHH why?
Leave the veldnaught alone...
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Squably
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.08.27 08:19:00 -
[151]
RA petitioned it?
They prolly want their caps in highsec mining veld as well now that they are removed from 0.0 so to them it isnt fair that chribba is there and they arent. Signature removed. Please do not imply profanity in your signature. Navigator
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Terianna Eri
Amarr Scrutari
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Posted - 2008.08.27 08:19:00 -
[152]
Originally by: Vikarion
Originally by: Terianna Eri
Let's be honest here. EVE's gameplay isn't the best. It needs some work. But half the reason I stick with the game is because I think you folks at CCP do a good job and genuinely care about the players and what we've done.
You are too generous. I don't. Not anymore. It took them 10 months, but they've successfully convinced me that they're just in it for the money, and could give a crap about the players.
Well, I'll bet some of them still care - to some extent - about what they're doing. Still...
__________________________________ CCP, WTH?
Originally by: Arthur Frayn How much to ruin all your holes, luv?
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Mankirks Wife
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Posted - 2008.08.27 08:21:00 -
[153]
Confirming that I am participating in the threadknought for a good cause.
Last time *everyone* threw up their hands and said, "WTF, CCP?" the carrier nerf got canned. Maybe lightning will strike twice?
So... seriously, wtf CCP? ---
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Vikarion
Caldari BLACK 0RIGIN Red Dawn Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.27 08:21:00 -
[154]
Originally by: Terianna Eri
Originally by: Vikarion
Originally by: Terianna Eri
Let's be honest here. EVE's gameplay isn't the best. It needs some work. But half the reason I stick with the game is because I think you folks at CCP do a good job and genuinely care about the players and what we've done.
You are too generous. I don't. Not anymore. It took them 10 months, but they've successfully convinced me that they're just in it for the money, and could give a crap about the players.
Well, I'll bet some of them still care - to some extent - about what they're doing. Still...
If they do, they appear to have all the influence and power of a fly.
I was gonna try out their WoD MMO, but I think that's out of the picture at this point. --------
Where I got my great sig... |
Ooyama
Caldari Rastana CMP Motivated and Determined
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Posted - 2008.08.27 08:21:00 -
[155]
Originally by: Marlenus This is just astonishing.
Why?
What possible reason could there be for doing this?
Chribba, I've been insanely jealous of you since I first heard about your Veldnaught. But I also thought it was insanely cool.
I'm just disgusted that CCP would wipe that away with (apparently) no good reason.
Indeed,, enough for me to name my hulk "Veldnaught wannabe" .
"Yama".
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bnogo
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.08.27 08:23:00 -
[156]
i do believe terianna's statement on, what page 5? i think, nailed it on the head.
the heart is heavy with disappointment. tis a true shame.
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Vikarion
Caldari BLACK 0RIGIN Red Dawn Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.27 08:23:00 -
[157]
Originally by: bnogo i do believe terianna's statement on, what page 5? i think, nailed it on the head.
the heart is heavy with disappointment. tis a true shame.
That disappointment is rapidly morphing into anger.
Mine sure is. --------
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Claudia Jefferson
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Posted - 2008.08.27 08:23:00 -
[158]
I want to see chribba in amarr to, been in eve for long but thought there would always be time to go see him :)
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Evanade
Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.08.27 08:24:00 -
[159]
dear ccp, listen to this man, i would not be surprised if he has done more for the game than some of your own employees
sok alt - main got banzored |
Mikael Mechka
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Posted - 2008.08.27 08:24:00 -
[160]
I never got to see the Veldnaught :( I've passed by Amarr a few times but never got round to paying it a visit, it was on my "things to do".
I do not see what the reason for this move by CPP. Apart from upsetting a large part of the playerbase (including myself, I read about the Veldnaught before I even finished downloading the client for the first time), this doesnt seem to have a goal.
All they have done is made killing these icons easily killable. They were killable before, it was just very very difficult. Now every 2isk pirate wanting to make a name fr themselves will try to kill them, only to be driven out of the game by vengful players.
Can you imagine the response by players who owe Chribba if the Veldnaught is destroyed? The killer(s) will need to file harrasment petitions within an hour, and will be forced out of the game within a week I imagine.
This aside, the decision stinks and I hope it is reversed, these living landmarks are part of EVE.
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Jimer Lins
Gallente Federation Fleet
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Posted - 2008.08.27 08:25:00 -
[161]
CCP aren't evil, and they're not "just in it for the money", although let's be frank- our subscriptions pay their bills.
However, they've demonstrated in the past that community sentiment can sway their decisions. Let's keep this civil and avoid confrontation, but make it clear what the community perspective is.
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Damion Zyne
Des Esseintes Social Club
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Posted - 2008.08.27 08:25:00 -
[162]
Originally by: Tom Perrish nice to see how threats are deleted about this issue but no one of ccp have the balls to answear here...
Its cause the specialist for empire dreads is still on vacations and its CCP policy that only he can post here.
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Tom Perrish
Mystic Lion Hearts Sev3rance
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Posted - 2008.08.27 08:27:00 -
[163]
Originally by: Damion Zyne
Originally by: Tom Perrish nice to see how threats are deleted about this issue but no one of ccp have the balls to answear here...
Its cause the specialist for empire dreads is still on vacations and its CCP policy that only he can post here.
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Mankirks Wife
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Posted - 2008.08.27 08:27:00 -
[164]
<tinfoil>
CCP Dev: OK, we've nerfed the pants out of piracy and now they're all screaming for us to do something to the bears in highsec. Intern! Do something - I'll be back this afternoon to check on you.
CCP Intern: OK... what's the easiest thing I can do to nerf highsec so I can go get some more coffee? I know! I'll nerf Chribba - along with the rest of the highsec capitals! *cackles*
</tinfoil> ---
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2008.08.27 08:28:00 -
[165]
Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 27/08/2008 08:28:42
Originally by: Jimer Lins CCP aren't evil, and they're not "just in it for the money", although let's be frank- our subscriptions pay their bills.
However, they've demonstrated in the past that community sentiment can sway their decisions. Let's keep this civil and avoid confrontation, but make it clear what the community perspective is.
Aye and also would like to add that do peolpe try and keep it in THIS thread and nto go galavanting around the forums and creating new threads.
Only true way for CCP to listen, is to not annoy them by posting hundreds of posts about it.
Keep it in one, simple, clear place where the majority agrees that "it's nto really something that needs to be done".
Although i understand the points of people saying "Chribba is just a player", and it's true, he is, he'll probably admit it too. This is mostly about the uselesness of the decicion.
Furthermore, making fun of CCP and insulting them won't get you guys the candy on the shelf
My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit. |
Victor Vision
Amarr Central Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2008.08.27 08:29:00 -
[166]
CCP made a mistake.
No shame in making mistakes, we all do sometime.
Mistakes can be corrected.
Let us hope this one will be.
EVE War I-The Beginning - EVE History Wiki |
bnogo
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.08.27 08:30:00 -
[167]
Originally by: Jimer Lins CCP aren't evil, and they're not "just in it for the money", although let's be frank- our subscriptions pay their bills.
However, they've demonstrated in the past that community sentiment can sway their decisions. Let's keep this civil and avoid confrontation, but make it clear what the community perspective is.
no one has said they are in it for the money. what has been said is what makes eve so great is that ccp cares about it. the devs had an interest in it and where it was headed. but some of the recent changes appear, to some if not many, indicate that the devs are focusing on driving up revenue and not so much on the game itself.
it is all well and good to make the game more enjoyable to more people. but not at the expense of those who helped build your little empire.
thus the feelings of disappointment atm. who knows, maybe ccp will have a statement about a great new upgrade they have planned but they had to remove caps in order to implement it. until then, many will be saddened.
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Vikarion
Caldari BLACK 0RIGIN Red Dawn Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.27 08:30:00 -
[168]
Originally by: Jimer Lins CCP aren't evil, and they're not "just in it for the money", although let's be frank- our subscriptions pay their bills.
However, they've demonstrated in the past that community sentiment can sway their decisions. Let's keep this civil and avoid confrontation, but make it clear what the community perspective is.
If they aren't, then why do they:
Ignore repeated requests to fix bugs "Fix" problems that don't need fixing Consistently take the path that is easiest for them, rather than best for the playerbase Ignore the potential consequences of bad decisions and expect us to compensate for those decisions. When they do finally address an issue, ignore all intelligent player theories about fixes and implement draconian nerfs. Refuse to communicate a vision or theme for Eve. Adopt a culture of "we're right, you're wrong" when dealing with players.
And more. Not gonna list it all tonight - it's 1:30 here. And I'd be in bed if I wasn't so ****ed off about them doing this. --------
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Terianna Eri
Amarr Scrutari
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Posted - 2008.08.27 08:32:00 -
[169]
Originally by: Vikarion
Originally by: bnogo i do believe terianna's statement on, what page 5? i think, nailed it on the head.
the heart is heavy with disappointment. tis a true shame.
That disappointment is rapidly morphing into anger.
Mine sure is.
I find it hard to be really angry about this because I doubt it was done maliciously. It just smacks of the "sorry folks, we don't care about this anymore" which, yeah, should make me angry. Mostly I'm just sad though. [fake edit: there was a ghey metaphor here, but then i thought about it some more] okay, now i'm angry.
RIP Veldnaught (shitty picture though, my fault) __________________________________
Originally by: Arthur Frayn How much to ruin all your holes, luv?
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Vikarion
Caldari BLACK 0RIGIN Red Dawn Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.27 08:33:00 -
[170]
Originally by: Victor Vision CCP made a mistake.
No shame in making mistakes, we all do sometime.
Mistakes can be corrected.
Let us hope this one will be.
It's when they make mistake after mistake after mistake after mistake that we start getting a bit ****ed, I'm afraid.
And for all of those wondering if this is because of some new expansion coming out...
...let's say that's the situation. In which case, what sane person wouldn't give a public announcement a good bit BEFORE taking any action? Hmm? --------
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Chi Prime
Body Count Inc. The Requiem
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Posted - 2008.08.27 08:35:00 -
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This is terrible. A crying shame. -
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2008.08.27 08:36:00 -
[172]
And people need to remember that CCP probably, MOST likely, don't care about Chribba or any INDIVIDUAL ingame when doing changes.
There's a issue:
Highsec capitals.
There's a decicion:
Remove capitals.
It's that simple, no malice, balance act, whatever you want to call it, it's NOT an attack on the playerbase.
If you asked, without any of this knowledge, if capitals should be allowed in high-sec, you wouldn't get this kind of 100% one sided "Nooo!!" answer, you'd get a split community.
It makes sense if you put your anger aside for a moment.
As said before, this requires "some 'xplaining to do lucy!!!", but keep it cool honeys.
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Keitaro Baka
Babylon Scientific and Industrial Enterprises Babylon Project
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Posted - 2008.08.27 08:36:00 -
[173]
Seriously CCP,
Using high sec capitals for anything else than legitimate war or pure pve was already made into a bannable offense by you guys when you removed the possibility to make them in high sec.
So why? Why did someone up there felt the need to kick these people in the shins like this? It's lame, it's pathetic and it's something you should just turn back on and do a little apology on, everyone makes mistakes, this is just one of them.
It makes no sense and tbh having Chribba making a thread about it should be reason enough to at least rethink this action.
And they call me baka..
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Mithrantir Ob'lontra
Gallente Ixion Defence Systems
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Posted - 2008.08.27 08:38:00 -
[174]
Originally by: Vikarion
Originally by: Jimer Lins CCP aren't evil, and they're not "just in it for the money", although let's be frank- our subscriptions pay their bills.
However, they've demonstrated in the past that community sentiment can sway their decisions. Let's keep this civil and avoid confrontation, but make it clear what the community perspective is.
If they aren't, then why do they:
Ignore repeated requests to fix bugs "Fix" problems that don't need fixing Consistently take the path that is easiest for them, rather than best for the playerbase Ignore the potential consequences of bad decisions and expect us to compensate for those decisions. When they do finally address an issue, ignore all intelligent player theories about fixes and implement draconian nerfs. Refuse to communicate a vision or theme for Eve. Adopt a culture of "we're right, you're wrong" when dealing with players.
And more. Not gonna list it all tonight - it's 1:30 here. And I'd be in bed if I wasn't so ****ed off about them doing this.
Beucause unlike you, me and the vast majority (if not all) the playerbase, usually they have the ability to look at the bigger picture. Which means that they can see what is affected and how in a clearer way than we do.
They are humans and they make mistakes of course, but they were and still are (I hope) willing to listen to logical arguments and change their decisions if need be. Proof may be the Deimos change (that didn't go through) the carriers and a couple more that slip my mind.
This is another case of a mistake according to my understanding at least.
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Arte
AFK
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Posted - 2008.08.27 08:38:00 -
[175]
Originally by: Sheriff Jones ...but keep it cool honeys.
You're acting mighty sheriff-ey there Sheriff Jones
Good points.
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Shadow Sapphire
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Posted - 2008.08.27 08:38:00 -
[176]
Edited by: Shadow Sapphire on 27/08/2008 08:40:25 Does anyone know the invocation rituals for TomB or Oveur ?
They should be able to decide on this in a split second and slap the guy responsibile for this stupid mistake .
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Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2008.08.27 08:39:00 -
[177]
Geeez, a lot of idiots in this thread that don't bother to read my post.
I understand why CCP made the decision, but I think that Chribba's Veldnaught should be an exception.
Something along the lines of turning the Veldnaught into an NPC that randomly roams the belts in Amarr would be nice. With Chribb'as permission of course. That way everybody would be happy.
I expect this thread to break 20 pages rather quickly. --
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Vikarion
Caldari BLACK 0RIGIN Red Dawn Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.27 08:39:00 -
[178]
Originally by: Sheriff Jones And people need to remember that CCP probably, MOST likely, don't care about Chribba or any INDIVIDUAL ingame when doing changes.
There's a issue:
Highsec capitals.
There was NO issue. The issue was dealt with. The problem here isn't just that CCP handled an "issue" rashly - it's that there was no issue and they nerfed someone anyway.
There was no reason for this. None.
And, even if I'm wrong and by some infinitesimal chance CCP does have a good reason for this, why on earth would they not tell us before hand? --------
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bnogo
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.08.27 08:41:00 -
[179]
hehe, ok but several people have mentioned slapping the bonehead who made the mistake.
would it be too much to ask for a video of the bonehead getting slapped? or am i just twisted?
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Vikarion
Caldari BLACK 0RIGIN Red Dawn Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.27 08:41:00 -
[180]
Originally by: Mithrantir Ob'lontra
Beucause unlike you, me and the vast majority (if not all) the playerbase, usually they have the ability to look at the bigger picture. Which means that they can see what is affected and how in a clearer way than we do.
They are humans and they make mistakes of course, but they were and still are (I hope) willing to listen to logical arguments and change their decisions if need be. Proof may be the Deimos change (that didn't go through) the carriers and a couple more that slip my mind.
This is another case of a mistake according to my understanding at least.
Veldnaught was offering a service, and was playing within rules that CCP stated.
Their vaunted ability to "see the big picture" appears to be using binoculars with the lenses covered with spray paint.
They have - if you hadn't noticed - been making a LOT of bad decisions recently. And not subjectively, either - they are angering and alienating a lot of their loyal playerbase, and I've been seeing a lot of vets just...quit. --------
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2008.08.27 08:42:00 -
[181]
Originally by: Arte
Originally by: Sheriff Jones ...but keep it cool honeys.
You're acting mighty sheriff-ey there Sheriff Jones
Good points.
Hehe, trying my best
Originally by: Vikarion
Originally by: Sheriff Jones And people need to remember that CCP probably, MOST likely, don't care about Chribba or any INDIVIDUAL ingame when doing changes.
There's a issue:
Highsec capitals.
There was NO issue. The issue was dealt with. The problem here isn't just that CCP handled an "issue" rashly - it's that there was no issue and they nerfed someone anyway.
There was no reason for this. None.
And, even if I'm wrong and by some infinitesimal chance CCP does have a good reason for this, why on earth would they not tell us before hand?
Communication problem is granted, it's a known thing. By issue i meant that in games everything is an issue, "this mining issue", "this market issue". You know?
Highsec capitals have always been, must have been, on the seesaw and today it seems the seesaw is falling towards moving them. Give it time, don't blow a hole in the wall before the messenger has spoken.
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Maria Kalista
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Posted - 2008.08.27 08:45:00 -
[182]
Originally by: Vikarion
And, even if I'm wrong and by some infinitesimal chance CCP does have a good reason for this, why on earth would they not tell us before hand?
Because CCP lost the way of properly communicating with their customers. ----------
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bnogo
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.08.27 08:46:00 -
[183]
Originally by: Sheriff Jones
Originally by: Vikarion
Originally by: Sheriff Jones And people need to remember that CCP probably, MOST likely, don't care about Chribba or any INDIVIDUAL ingame when doing changes.
There's a issue:
Highsec capitals.
There was NO issue. The issue was dealt with. The problem here isn't just that CCP handled an "issue" rashly - it's that there was no issue and they nerfed someone anyway.
There was no reason for this. None.
And, even if I'm wrong and by some infinitesimal chance CCP does have a good reason for this, why on earth would they not tell us before hand?
Communication problem is granted, it's a known thing. By issue i meant that in games everything is an issue, "this mining issue", "this market issue". You know?
Highsec capitals have always been, must have been, on the seesaw and today it seems the seesaw is falling towards moving them. Give it time, don't blow a hole in the wall before the messenger has spoken.
i would not say there was an issue with capitals. there were set rules, we ignore the caps unless you act naughty. you end up with unique ships and we don't have to do anything.
now it is within ccp's rights to change this. but to do so without real notice or explanation is what is causing the problem.
i wouldn't be replying so much but i'm trying to keep topic at top :)
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Vikarion
Caldari BLACK 0RIGIN Red Dawn Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.27 08:46:00 -
[184]
Originally by: Sheriff Jones
Highsec capitals have always been, must have been, on the seesaw and today it seems the seesaw is falling towards moving them. Give it time, don't blow a hole in the wall before the messenger has spoken.
Why should we have to wait until the "messenger has spoken"? Any CCP employee with a grain of intelligence should have known the firestorm this would cause, and communicated to the player base before hand.
The fact that no one spoke to either the owners of the hi-sec capitals or the players at large bespeaks of an abysmal ignorance of what the players enjoy/need, or a complete apathy to it.
I vote both. --------
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Arte
AFK
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Posted - 2008.08.27 08:47:00 -
[185]
Originally by: Sheriff Jones Hehe, trying my best
Do we get a sketch about this?
I think the main reason behind the uproar is that no-one saw this coming. Have there been any incidents of people abusing their cap ships in hi-sec If there were, you might understand the reasoning behind the need for the change. It all just leaves a sour taste in the mouth
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Ricier
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Posted - 2008.08.27 08:49:00 -
[186]
Originally by: Maria Kalista
Originally by: Vikarion
And, even if I'm wrong and by some infinitesimal chance CCP does have a good reason for this, why on earth would they not tell us before hand?
Because CCP lost the way of properly communicating with their customers.
CCP only answers quetsions from reporters check out http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/14/view/news
There is more news about eve there then on this site.
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2008.08.27 08:50:00 -
[187]
Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 27/08/2008 08:51:07
Originally by: bnogo i would not say there was an issue with capitals. there were set rules, we ignore the caps unless you act naughty. you end up with unique ships and we don't have to do anything.
now it is within ccp's rights to change this. but to do so without real notice or explanation is what is causing the problem.
i wouldn't be replying so much but i'm trying to keep topic at top :)
Aye and it's understandable really. Communication is in the works, CSM and all that, so let's try to remember that it's like...well....parent/kid communication, most the time you don't know why or how it's happening, but you usually just conform and obey your parents
Originally by: Vikarion
Originally by: Sheriff Jones
Highsec capitals have always been, must have been, on the seesaw and today it seems the seesaw is falling towards moving them. Give it time, don't blow a hole in the wall before the messenger has spoken.
Why should we have to wait until the "messenger has spoken"? Any CCP employee with a grain of intelligence should have known the firestorm this would cause, and communicated to the player base before hand.
The fact that no one spoke to either the owners of the hi-sec capitals or the players at large bespeaks of an abysmal ignorance of what the players enjoy/need, or a complete apathy to it.
I vote both.
Now now, the devs don't know the players like the players do. Many in CCP might not even know Chribba. Especially since many people are in charge of many things. As such, they probably didn't know it would cause THIS much trouble. These kind of oversights happen, so before it's confirmed, as in, the messenger has spoken, let's not hang or shoot somenoe just yet
Originally by: Arte
Originally by: Sheriff Jones Hehe, trying my best
Do we get a sketch about this?
When things cool down
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Jowen Datloran
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2008.08.27 08:50:00 -
[188]
Duh! What an utterly completely stupid move by CCP.
So many things are so moronic about this decision, and most of these things have already been well presented in this thread. Player created landmarks is one of the key features in EVE that makes it different from sterile MMO worlds, where players have no possibility to leave a mark behind them.
I too would very much like an explanation to why the Veldnaught suddenly had to go, besides providing CCP an opportunity to **** their playerbase off. ---------------- Mr. Science & Trade Institute
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Terianna Eri
Amarr Scrutari
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Posted - 2008.08.27 08:51:00 -
[189]
Edited by: Terianna Eri on 27/08/2008 08:52:14
Originally by: Ricier
Originally by: Maria Kalista
Originally by: Vikarion
And, even if I'm wrong and by some infinitesimal chance CCP does have a good reason for this, why on earth would they not tell us before hand?
Because CCP lost the way of properly communicating with their customers.
CCP only answers quetsions from reporters check out http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/14/view/news
There is more news about eve there then on this site.
Quotin dis. Why do most of the interviews (as far as I can remember, all) show up on third-party sites first? ("first", of course, if the interviews ever show up on the eve site officially at all)
Fun fact CCP - your current players care more about what you have to say than any reporter or potential player does.
Bah, I'm going to bed. Enough of this shit - I'm sure this thread will be here tomorrow. __________________________________ CCP, WTH?
Originally by: Arthur Frayn How much to ruin all your holes, luv?
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SIlver Light
Minmatar C0RP 1
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Posted - 2008.08.27 08:52:00 -
[190]
What the hell
That's bullshit ------ Proud Member of 5punkorp |
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The Herrick
Gallente SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2008.08.27 08:53:00 -
[191]
CCP be honest here, you just roll a dice to see what you should change next don't you?
Can't see any reason for this other then showing off that you can do such a thing.
Just move ALL the caps back in highsec that have been hit by this and give them a special capital mining fighter/laser for looks (even if it's the same yield as a T1 laser/drone) as a peace offering.
Or t the very least an explanation/apology for doing this.
Originally by: Blane Xero Screw your stuff, can I have your wife?
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Vikarion
Caldari BLACK 0RIGIN Red Dawn Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.27 08:54:00 -
[192]
Originally by: Sheriff Jones
Now now, the devs don't know the players like the players do. Many in CCP might not even know Chribba. Especially since many people are in charge of many things. As such, they probably didn't know it would cause THIS much trouble. These kind of oversights happen, so before it's confirmed, as in, the messenger has spoken, let's not hang or shoot somenoe just yet
Again, CCP has had plenty of time to realize that their communication problems are sub-par, and to fix them. These problems have occurred many times over, with similar undertones.
So it's either apathy or malice. --------
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2008.08.27 08:54:00 -
[193]
total bullshit not even telling us before hand what the **** don't they know who we are?
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Hayman Wakefield
Caldari Trans-Stellar Salvage Shipping and Securities
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Posted - 2008.08.27 08:55:00 -
[194]
Another sad day for CCP, through all the balances I've held tight always trusting where they were going but this is just pointless and to be honest mean.
Eve appears to be getting more and more soulless. A real sense of interaction with the comunity being replaced by a cold faceless front.
Thanks for pushing me just that bit closer to the emorageiquit button and deciding whether to go to fanfest for the first time, not now
Originally by: Capt Harlock "I have a mouse with a green tail". It's tail may or may not be green. The car however is mating with a monkey".
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2008.08.27 08:57:00 -
[195]
Originally by: Vikarion
Originally by: Sheriff Jones
Now now, the devs don't know the players like the players do. Many in CCP might not even know Chribba. Especially since many people are in charge of many things. As such, they probably didn't know it would cause THIS much trouble. These kind of oversights happen, so before it's confirmed, as in, the messenger has spoken, let's not hang or shoot somenoe just yet
Again, CCP has had plenty of time to realize that their communication problems are sub-par, and to fix them. These problems have occurred many times over, with similar undertones.
So it's either apathy or malice.
It's neither, it jsut takes time. Things take time, we need to give 'em time. If you feel you need to take a break, give that time and use it somewhere else and then return when you feel it's "ok", you have the right.
But as it stands, things don't happen overnight, they don't happen overyear even. There's changes and stuff to do, so jsut hang in there, or put EVE on pause(without terminating your stuff ) and do something else.
Hope you stay, understand if you don't, and welcome when you return.
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PaddyPaddy Nihildarnik
Gallente aurorae pacificas
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Posted - 2008.08.27 08:59:00 -
[196]
Edited by: PaddyPaddy Nihildarnik on 27/08/2008 08:59:57 You have my support Chribba and all hi-sec cap owners. Really poor choice on this one, CCP. Personally I have met a couple of people who own unique assets in Eve. I think it was a cool little tidbit to have chribba out there mining in a dread.
Just one question though- are you going to get that Veld tat lazored off any time soon because of this?
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Vikarion
Caldari BLACK 0RIGIN Red Dawn Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.27 09:01:00 -
[197]
Originally by: Sheriff Jones
Originally by: Vikarion
Originally by: Sheriff Jones
Now now, the devs don't know the players like the players do. Many in CCP might not even know Chribba. Especially since many people are in charge of many things. As such, they probably didn't know it would cause THIS much trouble. These kind of oversights happen, so before it's confirmed, as in, the messenger has spoken, let's not hang or shoot somenoe just yet
Again, CCP has had plenty of time to realize that their communication problems are sub-par, and to fix them. These problems have occurred many times over, with similar undertones.
So it's either apathy or malice.
It's neither, it jsut takes time. Things take time, we need to give 'em time. If you feel you need to take a break, give that time and use it somewhere else and then return when you feel it's "ok", you have the right.
But as it stands, things don't happen overnight, they don't happen overyear even. There's changes and stuff to do, so jsut hang in there, or put EVE on pause(without terminating your stuff ) and do something else.
Hope you stay, understand if you don't, and welcome when you return.
Well, I gotta head to bed, so they have until I get back from work tomorrow.
But yeah, Fallout 3 is looking pretty entertaining. And I have Oblivion. I can always play those. --------
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Vikarion
Caldari BLACK 0RIGIN Red Dawn Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.27 09:02:00 -
[198]
Oh, and PS to Chribba:
If I were you, I'd take down those 3rd party sites, at least until CCP grow a brain. No sense in supporting those who stab you in the back. I'd willingly accept the sacrifice. --------
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fivetide humidyear
Gallente EXCESS10N
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Posted - 2008.08.27 09:03:00 -
[199]
as stated earlier, get a grip guys.
For chribba, of all people, to have to post like this is poor on so many levels
That is assuming the remotely senior people at CCP even care anymore.
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Tom Perrish
Mystic Lion Hearts Sev3rance
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Posted - 2008.08.27 09:05:00 -
[200]
Originally by: Vikarion Oh, and PS to Chribba:
If I were you, I'd take down those 3rd party sites, at least until CCP grow a brain. No sense in supporting those who stab you in the back. I'd willingly accept the sacrifice.
so punishing the playerbase for ccp's actions?
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Vikarion
Caldari BLACK 0RIGIN Red Dawn Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.27 09:06:00 -
[201]
Originally by: Tom Perrish
Originally by: Vikarion Oh, and PS to Chribba:
If I were you, I'd take down those 3rd party sites, at least until CCP grow a brain. No sense in supporting those who stab you in the back. I'd willingly accept the sacrifice.
so punishing the playerbase for ccp's actions?
I prefer to think of it as an "incentive" to get the rest of us to keep yelling at CCP.
Ok, honest, last post. NN all. --------
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2008.08.27 09:07:00 -
[202]
Originally by: fivetide humidyear as stated earlier, get a grip guys.
For chribba, of all people, to have to post like this is poor on so many levels
That is assuming the remotely senior people at CCP even care anymore.
you really think it's ok for them to do stuff without telling anyone?
what's wrong with a player making the same announcement ccp should have?
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Devilish Ledoux
Caldari Ledoux Holdings
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Posted - 2008.08.27 09:07:00 -
[203]
Even if there was a good reason to do this (and I won't deny the possibility), it would still be nice if CCP anchored "Chribba's Veldnaught" (NPC Revelation/monument) in a belt in Amarr. _
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Gaia Thorn
Villains
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Posted - 2008.08.27 09:08:00 -
[204]
suck it up..
CCP is just changing something that has been broken for a long time.
The natural order of the univers have to into alignment. I mean who cares who much people have paid for things.
Just take a look at speed nerf how much doesnt a snake implant set go for and the other implants ?
Guessing more then a moros in highsec!
Just becuase you are chribba shouldnt hold any more weight then the rest of us.
Removed. Please keep your EVE signature related to your EVE persona and not that of a real life politician. Navigator
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Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
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Posted - 2008.08.27 09:09:00 -
[205]
WTF.
That's just unbelievably lame, CCP. I look forward to hearing your pathetic attempts at justifying such an unwelcome move.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2008.08.27 09:10:00 -
[206]
Edited by: MotherMoon on 27/08/2008 09:09:55
Originally by: Gaia Thorn
Just becuase you are chribba shouldnt hold any more weight then the rest of us.
then why do they use him in presentations at conventions as an example?
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NeoTheo
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.08.27 09:10:00 -
[207]
on one note i think " awwww c's Cap ship is being moved, shame i always wanted to see that"...
on the other hand i think, "hang on, how come c's allowed to keep that when others cant have one"...
i know it dosnt really "do anything" so why would i want one, but the same reason C' is defending it would be the answer.
so i am torn, make plenty of fraps before CCP fix you.
Neotheo Dark Materials
Linkage
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FalconHawk
Amarr Shadow Rebellion
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Posted - 2008.08.27 09:11:00 -
[208]
Originally by: Chribba Edited by: Chribba on 27/08/2008 06:59:23
Originally by: EVE System 2008.08.26 15:23 Hi. Capital ships are not allowed in high security space, can not be manufactured there and can not transported there. Your Dreadnought which was docked in Amarr VIII (Oris) - Emperor Family Academy, has been moved to a close low security system; Bordan IV - Moon 1 - Kaalakiota Corporation Factory.
And yes "EVE System" is the sender of such messages, same as last year when CCP unanchored LSAA's, and yes I already have a long exchange of petition messages regarding this.
of course they send it from Eve System .... when they would have gave out the GMs name he would have to fear for his job cause everyone would cry out to fire the idiot just waiting for the day when ccp decides to delete the first dead titan cause it¦s causing lag ...
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KISOGOKU
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Posted - 2008.08.27 09:12:00 -
[209]
Sorry to hear chribba , I dont understand why hi-sec capitals needed to move.Noone could use them at a fight .
Free Veldnaught
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Tam A
Amarr Interstellar Corporation of Exploration
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Posted - 2008.08.27 09:13:00 -
[210]
Edited by: Tam A on 27/08/2008 09:18:33 You know just the other day I was reading a thread full of people whining that Cap ships should be restricted to null sec.
Now today we have a move that could indicate that these people will soon be getting there way. I mean CCP couldn't move all Cap ships to null sec and leave the high sec Caps alone. That would have created a serious shit storm. I really hope the one has nothing to do with the other but this really seems like the first step to such a change and I can't fathom any other reason why they would do this other then serious jealousy over someone else's pixels.
Maybe you should stop paying for lame TV adds and put that money in to something useful like hiring a few of your long time costumers that understand the player base to make these game changing decisions for you. Cause right now it seems clear the people you are paying to make these decisions aren't worth the paper they wipe there ass with much less a pay check.
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Ithoriel
Amarr Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2008.08.27 09:14:00 -
[211]
I've seen the Veldnaught and chatted to Chribba on a few occsions in my EVE career and IMHO he's a "scholar and a gentleman" and frankly deserves better from CCP, especially considering what he's done for the EVE community.
<dons tinfoil hat> So what *exactly* are CCP doing that is so controversial that is was worth triggering this firestorm so the community didn't notice what they're up to??? </tinfoil hat>
Bad move CCP to do something that seems so totally unneccesary.
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Cyberman Mastermind
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Posted - 2008.08.27 09:14:00 -
[212]
Originally by: Gaia Thorn CCP is just changing something that has been broken for a long time.
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Terianna Eri
Amarr Scrutari
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Posted - 2008.08.27 09:15:00 -
[213]
Originally by: FalconHawk just waiting for the day when ccp decides to delete the first dead titan cause it¦s causing lag ...
this.
you just summed up basically everything i had to say about the topic and i thank you for it __________________________________ CCP, WTH?
Originally by: Arthur Frayn How much to ruin all your holes, luv?
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Gaia Thorn
Villains
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Posted - 2008.08.27 09:16:00 -
[214]
Originally by: MotherMoon Edited by: MotherMoon on 27/08/2008 09:09:55
Originally by: Gaia Thorn
Just becuase you are chribba shouldnt hold any more weight then the rest of us.
then why do they use him in presentations at conventions as an example?
Cause he supplies a free of charge service to us users ?
That shouldnt entitle him to excemptions and favors in game.
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Dezzereth
Two Swords Guild
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Posted - 2008.08.27 09:17:00 -
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Not a very smart move CCP, not at all.
Reverse this change asap, not just Chribba's, but all who were moved in this guerilla fashion!
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Gaia Thorn
Villains
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Posted - 2008.08.27 09:17:00 -
[216]
Edited by: Gaia Thorn on 27/08/2008 09:18:54
Originally by: Cyberman Mastermind
Originally by: Gaia Thorn CCP is just changing something that has been broken for a long time.
Care to elaborate how it is/was broken?
Capitals arent allowed in high sec but yet there are some !
It would be like letting loose the rifters with cruise missiles to roam about...
It just shouldnt be allowed.
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Case Kovaks
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2008.08.27 09:19:00 -
[217]
This was a much needed nerf to stop the recent flood of complaints with HiSec dreads being used for harassing lowbie players. By moving it to lowsec the vast majority of the player base will be able to appreciate it and it will create a lasting icon to the player community of eve.
From a business perspective, by not alientating huge portions of the playerbase for a pointless decision that has no ingame effect CCP will see large profit increases in the next quarter.
Oh, wait...
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Cyberman Mastermind
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Posted - 2008.08.27 09:21:00 -
[218]
Edited by: Cyberman Mastermind on 27/08/2008 09:23:19 Edited by: Cyberman Mastermind on 27/08/2008 09:21:51
Originally by: Gaia Thorn Capitals arent allowed in high sec but yet there are some !
From what I've read, till now the rules were:
*) no capital may be BUILD in high sec *) no cynosural field may be created in high-sec *) no capital may be moved into high-sec(impossible anyway) *) no capital may aggress in high-sec
Nowhere it said they weren't allowed to EXIST in high-sec. There just was no way of getting new caps into high-sec.
So apparently they changed the rules. The question remains - why? Usually because of some imbalance, an advantage no one else can have or something. What advantage does a capital ship that cannot aggress, that cannot engage in fights, offer? I'm sure they can't even remote-rep. |
MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2008.08.27 09:21:00 -
[219]
Originally by: Gaia Thorn Edited by: Gaia Thorn on 27/08/2008 09:18:54
Originally by: Cyberman Mastermind
Originally by: Gaia Thorn CCP is just changing something that has been broken for a long time.
Care to elaborate how it is/was broken?
Capitals arent allowed in high sec but yet there are some !
It would be like letting loose the rifters with cruise missiles to roam about...
It just shouldnt be allowed.
believe it or not communication is important.
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Argentarius
Amarr Falcon Advanced Industries
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Posted - 2008.08.27 09:21:00 -
[220]
This is a travesty, bring back the Veldnaught :(
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Jayden Lancia'Yu
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.08.27 09:22:00 -
[221]
wow, you really need to screw up bigtime to upset chribba
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Gaia Thorn
Villains
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Posted - 2008.08.27 09:24:00 -
[222]
Originally by: Cyberman Mastermind Edited by: Cyberman Mastermind on 27/08/2008 09:21:51
Originally by: Gaia Thorn Capitals arent not allowed in high sec but yet there are some !
From what I've read, till now the rules were:
*) no capital may be BUILD in high sec *) no cynosural field may be created in high-sec *) no capital may be moved into high-sec(impossible anyway) *) no capital may aggress in high-sec
Nowhere it said they weren't allowed to EXIST in high-sec. There just was no way of getting new caps into high-sec.
So apparently they changed the rules. The question remains - why? Usually because of some imbalance, an advantage no one else can have or something. What advantage does a capital ship that cannot aggress, that cannot engage in fights, offer? I'm sure they can't even remote-rep.
Well there is new rule in town ..
No caps in high sec.
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Durzel
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.08.27 09:25:00 -
[223]
Edited by: Durzel on 27/08/2008 09:26:12
Originally by: Blackened Soul
Originally by: Durzel Edited by: Durzel on 27/08/2008 08:02:08 Whilst I know Chribba's Veldnaught was docile, how many of the other ones manufactured in high-sec weren't being abused? I'd be interested to see some statistics of how big a problem this actually is before forming an informed opinion about it.
As far as I was aware it is still possible to manufacture capitals in high-sec where there already exists a manufacturing POS (or however it works), perhaps the people who "paid billions for high-sec capitals" are the ones who have brought this rule change upon themselves?
*shrug* It's a shame really, but ultimately one man's benevolence with his capitals in high-sec shouldn't be a green card for more malicious high-sec capital owner antics, if indeed this was happening.
the hi-sec cap manufacturing facilities got nerfed, ages back, (while chribbas infant rorqual was in production)
the current hi sec caps were limited by exploit rules, essentially meaning that agression would result in all manner of shitstorm. the hi sec capitals were limited to one system, couldnt be used in combat, couldnt be replaced, essentially they were show pieces and nothing more.
no possible reason to move them, probably done by someone who just likes to take a piece of game history and chuck it out the window, the kind of people who dont care about eve theyre just there for the job.
Well if that's the case I really don't see what the huge problem is. They're just points of interest for everyone else in the community.
Personally as a carebear I would've loved to have seen Chribba's (or anyones capital) on my travels, even if it was just mining or fighting NPCs - kinda wish I had gone out of my way to go and see it before
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2008.08.27 09:26:00 -
[224]
Originally by: Gaia Thorn
Originally by: Cyberman Mastermind Edited by: Cyberman Mastermind on 27/08/2008 09:21:51
Originally by: Gaia Thorn Capitals arent not allowed in high sec but yet there are some !
From what I've read, till now the rules were:
*) no capital may be BUILD in high sec *) no cynosural field may be created in high-sec *) no capital may be moved into high-sec(impossible anyway) *) no capital may aggress in high-sec
Nowhere it said they weren't allowed to EXIST in high-sec. There just was no way of getting new caps into high-sec.
So apparently they changed the rules. The question remains - why? Usually because of some imbalance, an advantage no one else can have or something. What advantage does a capital ship that cannot aggress, that cannot engage in fights, offer? I'm sure they can't even remote-rep.
Well there is new rule in town ..
No caps in high sec.
what the hell honestly, are you a dev all of suddenly telling us that there is a tule around town BECUASE I FOR ONE ENVER HEAR SUCH THING
now go back under your hole troll and stop acting like this is a change that we knew about stop ignoring what the whole point of these thread is.
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Jowen Datloran
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2008.08.27 09:28:00 -
[225]
Originally by: Gaia Thorn
Well there is new rule in town .. No caps in high sec.
And it the reason for the need of that new rule we are asking for.
With the other four rules already efficiently in place, why the new one? ---------------- Mr. Science & Trade Institute
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Shirley Serious
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.08.27 09:28:00 -
[226]
if this was a result from a petition by those people who tried to suicide the veldnaught, then it's lamer than a millipede with 999 sore feet.
Also, BOO to removing player generated content, that's the whole point of Eve, isn't it? that players make the history?
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Smagd
Encina Technologies
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Posted - 2008.08.27 09:30:00 -
[227]
Originally by: Devilish Ledoux"
First they came for the suicide gankers and I didn't speak up because I didn't suicide gank
Then they came for the Veldnaught and I didn't speak up because I didn't have a Veldnaught.
Then they came for the Opux Luxury Yacht and I didn't speak up because I didn't have an Opux Luxury Yact.
Then they came for the T2 BPOs and I didn't speak up because I didnt' have a T2 BPO.
And then they came for me, and no one spoke up because they were all playing Warhammer Online.
Well sung. Make EVE more boring, CCP, sure why don't you? When are you going nerf the Apotheosis? Snowballs and Veldnoughts were too dangerous, surely there must be a way to exploit a shuttle?
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Jones Maloy
Minmatar Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2008.08.27 09:30:00 -
[228]
Originally by: Joss Sparq CCP have completely lost their minds
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Kwedaras
Amarr Viziam
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Posted - 2008.08.27 09:32:00 -
[229]
time to add another section to that wheel of whining...
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Reven Cordelle
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.08.27 09:32:00 -
[230]
Originally by: Shirley Serious
Also, BOO to removing player generated content, that's the whole point of Eve, isn't it? that players make the history?
You'd think so but no, Any sandbox still has walls.
Unfortunately rather than walls containing just the sand, ours are 12 foot walls made of glass. Hell, we can see what we want outside of the confines.. but we'll be damned if we're allowed it.
And after all this, no one tells us why the glass is there...
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Devilish Ledoux
Caldari Ledoux Holdings
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Posted - 2008.08.27 09:32:00 -
[231]
Originally by: Smagd
Originally by: Devilish Ledoux"
First they came for the suicide gankers and I didn't speak up because I didn't suicide gank
Then they came for the Veldnaught and I didn't speak up because I didn't have a Veldnaught.
Then they came for the Opux Luxury Yacht and I didn't speak up because I didn't have an Opux Luxury Yact.
Then they came for the T2 BPOs and I didn't speak up because I didnt' have a T2 BPO.
And then they came for me, and no one spoke up because they were all playing Warhammer Online.
Well sung. Make EVE more boring, CCP, sure why don't you? When are you going nerf the Apotheosis? Snowballs and Veldnoughts were too dangerous, surely there must be a way to exploit a shuttle?
Oy! *I* wanted to quote what I said on SHC here! _
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Krxon Blade
Apogee Group
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Posted - 2008.08.27 09:33:00 -
[232]
Exceptions should be allowed. Don't erase history. If you support this, sign this thread as well. -- Eve battle simulator EVE character creator Eve offline game |
Kuolematon
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2008.08.27 09:33:00 -
[233]
Originally by: Chribba Edited by: Chribba on 27/08/2008 06:59:23
Originally by: EVE System 2008.08.26 15:23 Hi. Capital ships are not allowed in high security space, can not be manufactured there and can not transported there. Your Dreadnought which was docked in Amarr VIII (Oris) - Emperor Family Academy, has been moved to a close low security system; Bordan IV - Moon 1 - Kaalakiota Corporation Factory.
And yes "EVE System" is the sender of such messages, same as last year when CCP unanchored LSAA's, and yes I already have a long exchange of petition messages regarding this.
NERD RAGE ENGAGE!
"The Amarr are the tanking and ganking floating rods of goldcrap"
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NilByMouth
Lave Lounge Lizards
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Posted - 2008.08.27 09:34:00 -
[234]
Sad sad day.
Someone at CCP needs to realise that part of the charm of Eve is in the unique things that exist in the Eve universe, and with them, some unique individuals.
Knowing Chribba I don't believe he'll do anything as silly as take down the web sites he hosts/runs 'to make a point', but he at least deserves an explanation.
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Maria Kalista
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Posted - 2008.08.27 09:35:00 -
[235]
Wow, Mothermoon getting angry, things are really dire
Now my initial rage has somewhat lowered, CCP can we have an explanation why you did this and if you are willing to give us one, can you please make it better (show that you are still in contact with your currently shrinking fan-base), then the horrible, inadequate explanation Wrangler had to give about the 30-90 GTC nerf? ----------
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Krxon Blade
Apogee Group
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Posted - 2008.08.27 09:35:00 -
[236]
Originally by: Smagd
Well sung. Make EVE more boring, CCP, sure why don't you? When are you going nerf the Apotheosis? Snowballs and Veldnoughts were too dangerous, surely there must be a way to exploit a shuttle?
Pilgrim cans in New Eden were dangerous as well. Let's sacrifice everything to God of Bandwith. -- Eve battle simulator EVE character creator Eve offline game |
Durzel
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.08.27 09:36:00 -
[237]
Edited by: Durzel on 27/08/2008 09:38:20 As a point of note I think people need to stop focusing on Chribba (no offence to the guy) and more on the actual debate about "are docile capitals in high-sec a bad thing that needed to be dealt with".
Focusing the debate on one player's ability to have capitals in high-sec is a pretty weak foundation for an argument. As highlighted by someone else previously - if the speed nerf hits and a valued member of the community was allowed to keep their unaffected nano-vag then that's not exactly fair. It's all or nothing, not "I'm ok with existing capitals in high-sec being relocated, but just don't touch the Veldnaught!".
Just throwing that out there.
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Shintai
Gallente Balad Naran Orbital Shipyards
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Posted - 2008.08.27 09:36:00 -
[238]
Dont tell me you didnt know your dread didnt belong in highsec...
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Tyr Rak
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Posted - 2008.08.27 09:39:00 -
[239]
This has to be reversed.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2008.08.27 09:39:00 -
[240]
Originally by: Maria Kalista Wow, Mothermoon getting angry, things are really dire
Now my initial rage has somewhat lowered, CCP can we have an explanation why you did this and if you are willing to give us one, can you please make it better (show that you are still in contact with your currently shrinking fan-base), then the horrible, inadequate explanation Wrangler had to give about the 30-90 GTC nerf?
but that's just it, as much pain as it would of brought I don't think chibbra thought it would stay in high sec forever. Maybe wished and dreamed but were not stupid once you've been along for a while.
This thread has nothing to do with my anger. the topic at hand is only an example.
CCP need to TELL THE PLAYERBASE before making changes to the game. As an animation student this would be like assests I made being taking out of a game project without being told it was untill after the game is released.
A good company doesn't change something without telling people before hand.
grummble...
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Cyberman Mastermind
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Posted - 2008.08.27 09:39:00 -
[241]
Edited by: Cyberman Mastermind on 27/08/2008 09:41:09 Edited by: Cyberman Mastermind on 27/08/2008 09:40:20
Originally by: Krxon Blade Exceptions should be allowed.
Exceptions shouldn't be necessary.
IF there is a good reason to remove those silent giants from high-sec, then I'm sure we'd accept the loss of the Veldnaught (and the others). Till now, though, no one could think up a good reason. And CCP remains silent...
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TalonClark
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Posted - 2008.08.27 09:40:00 -
[242]
Edited by: TalonClark on 27/08/2008 09:41:06 This is stupid, and a sign of "overregulation" at CCP...i see all old devs are gone and now got replaced by burocratic ones eh?
1. it never posed any problem at all, so there is no need to change this. 2. after what, 3 years, you realize its a problem? sure... 3. this capitals in highsec are te remnants of "history" and as such added another layer to EVE, something to speak about. You know, that "once uppon a time" thing, when i tell a noobie and he maybe goes over there to see it and feels the depth of "EVE history".
Really, get your acts together CCP. It seems to me more and more that you are getting out of touch with the game. PLZ get one of the old DEVs back so that he keeps the vision on track. THX.
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Yaar Podshipnik
Gallente Paxton Industries Paxton Federation
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Posted - 2008.08.27 09:42:00 -
[243]
The Veldnaught & Co. were totally harmless. What is the reason for removing them?
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Smertrios
Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2008.08.27 09:42:00 -
[244]
I really hope there is a good reason for this, as there really does not appear to be one. I used to feel that CCP really cared about the player community and i put a large part of the success of EVE and CCP down to that great 2 way communitcation. Lately that communication has dried up and CCP's attitude to game changes and community has also drastically changed. Game changes used to happen slowly in incremental stages, change something small and see what the effects are, then make more changes if necessary. Before each change CCP would go to great lenghts to explain the changes, why they were needed and what they hope will happen with the changes. They gave us a vision or at least a glimps of where they want to go with the game and we were content. It seems now that a giant cleaver has replaced the scalpel and our views are no longer important. Little to no information is given about changes, changes have become more drastic and little to no feedback is given to the community on the forums. Dev blogs have all but dried up, very few to any CCp replies are seen on the forums and I/we are rapidly losing faith in CCP and EVE.
This decision is stupid, or at least seems to be, CCP please give us an explanation or, if its a mistake then correct it.
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Shamharoth
Gallente Beach Boys BeachBoys
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Posted - 2008.08.27 09:44:00 -
[245]
Let's remove Alliance Tournaments, Veldnaughts so that newbies won't say OMAGAD HE HAZ SUMTHIN I CANT HAZ CCP FIX PLOX.
Also, let's give them cool badges and diplomas so they can prove they're cool.
Wow CCP. You're so ****ed when Warhammer Online makes it to the stores.
Chribba, good luck with this, but CCP has shown already that they're just aiming for the Darwin Award of the year 2008.
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Smagd
Encina Technologies
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Posted - 2008.08.27 09:45:00 -
[246]
Originally by: Devilish Ledoux
Originally by: Smagd
Originally by: Devilish Ledoux"
First they came for the suicide gankers and I didn't speak up because I didn't suicide gank
Then they came for the Veldnaught and I didn't speak up because I didn't have a Veldnaught.
Then they came for the Opux Luxury Yacht and I didn't speak up because I didn't have an Opux Luxury Yact.
Then they came for the T2 BPOs and I didn't speak up because I didnt' have a T2 BPO.
And then they came for me, and no one spoke up because they were all playing Warhammer Online.
Well sung. Make EVE more boring, CCP, sure why don't you? When are you going nerf the Apotheosis? Snowballs and Veldnoughts were too dangerous, surely there must be a way to exploit a shuttle?
Oy! *I* wanted to quote what I said on SHC here!
Sorry about that mate.
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Amberly Coteaz
Amarr The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2008.08.27 09:46:00 -
[247]
Originally by: Devilish Ledoux"
First they came for the suicide gankers and I didn't speak up because I didn't suicide gank
Then they came for the Veldnaught and I didn't speak up because I didn't have a Veldnaught.
Then they came for the Opux Luxury Yacht and I didn't speak up because I didn't have an Opux Luxury Yact.
Then they came for the T2 BPOs and I didn't speak up because I didnt' have a T2 BPO.
And then they came for me, and no one spoke up because they were all playing Warhammer Online.
The Veldnaught was the first cap I saw up close back when I started the game and Chribba was such a friendly guy when I was there
If you find yourself in a fair fight, something went wrong
Originally by: Patch86 OK people, Amberly Coteaz has won life for the time being. Everyone go home and wait for the round reset.
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Drebble
Gallente North Star Networks Black Hand.
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Posted - 2008.08.27 09:46:00 -
[248]
I am a relatively speaking new EVE player, and I heard legends about the Veldnaught when I just started playing.
It is saddening to see a pearl of player-made content be erased by some pencil-pusher with no sense of EVE history.
CCP dont lose touch with the game just because you shuffle a lot of people to the World of Darkness project!
Kick the intern that did this atrocity and put some real CCP staff in charge.
I demand the Veldnaught be reinstated!
//Drebble
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Atomos Darksun
Infortunatus Eventus Obsidian Empire
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Posted - 2008.08.27 09:50:00 -
[249]
Maybe CCP just had to roll the hard six?
Originally by: Amoxin My vent is talking to me in a devil voice...
Atomos' Guide to Forum Flaming |
umop 3pisdn
Minmatar Fnck the blob.
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Posted - 2008.08.27 09:50:00 -
[250]
Lack of dev replies speaks louder than a dev blog could.
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Case Kovaks
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2008.08.27 09:54:00 -
[251]
Edited by: Case Kovaks on 27/08/2008 09:53:58 Despite the fact this is 10 pages long, it is only 4 hours old. They probably havnt got into work yet.
Someone in CCP management is going to give the Dev team a seriously bad day when they get in and find a 40 page thread I think
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Seetesh
Caldari Warped Mining
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Posted - 2008.08.27 09:54:00 -
[252]
Noo not the veldnaught
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ApaKaka
Lone Starr Corporation
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Posted - 2008.08.27 09:55:00 -
[253]
Originally by: Case Kovaks Edited by: Case Kovaks on 27/08/2008 09:53:58 Despite the fact this is 10 pages long, it is only 4 hours old. They probably havnt got into work yet.
Someone in CCP management is going to give the Dev team a seriously bad day when they get in and find a 40 page thread I think
You'll soon notice the unwritten rule of "the more outrage and replies in a thread, the less inclined Devs will be to answer".
It just goes to show that CCP silently backs up any decision made by their newb GM's who never played the game, no matter how stupid and wrong it is.
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Tuvar Hiede
Caldari Cold Suns Squadron
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Posted - 2008.08.27 09:57:00 -
[254]
Originally by: Case Kovaks Edited by: Case Kovaks on 27/08/2008 09:53:58 Despite the fact this is 10 pages long, it is only 4 hours old. They probably havnt got into work yet.
Someone in CCP management is going to give the Dev team a seriously bad day when they get in and find a 40 page thread I think
As sad as I am about this, I can't help but laugh if thats right, Imagine, they get into work, and there is a 40 page thread there, headed by Chribba, one of the more friendly and colourful eve characters, baying for their heads... someone is going to get their ass kicked I would think then..
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Ava Baby
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.08.27 09:57:00 -
[255]
Edited by: Ava Baby on 27/08/2008 09:59:56
Originally by: Drebble ...I heard legends about the Veldnaught when I just started playing...
//Drebble
I too heard about it and the love cans, it would be a shame to remove an existing pace of EVE history. Also, I think it would be a disservice to the EVE community to remove the "historical role" from players who have actually been a part of that history.
Originally by: Asestorian I support this message. Whatever it is.
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Szap Light
Caldari Minds Of Space Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2008.08.27 09:57:00 -
[256]
I support Chribba! I do not like the direction in which ccp seems to go.
After all the game is for us and not for ccp themselves.
Is this the kind of thanks for Chribba who has done so much for Eve?
It seems so.
I would like the CSM to act here.
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MuffinsRevenger
EmpiresMod Arcane Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.27 09:58:00 -
[257]
Pointless and dumb indeed
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Tarek Tarazul
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Posted - 2008.08.27 09:58:00 -
[258]
Originally by: Case Kovaks Edited by: Case Kovaks on 27/08/2008 09:53:58 Despite the fact this is 10 pages long, it is only 4 hours old. They probably havnt got into work yet.
Someone in CCP management is going to give the Dev team a seriously bad day when they get in and find a 40 page thread I think
When i first came upon this thread it grew faster than i could read it. I just wanted to repost the "show your support" post from page 3.
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=856275
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Case Kovaks
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2008.08.27 09:59:00 -
[259]
Edited by: Case Kovaks on 27/08/2008 10:00:13 EDIT: I put the quote in as the post I as replying to had shot up the page while I was writing that
Originally by: ApaKaka
You'll soon notice the unwritten rule of "the more outrage and replies in a thread, the less inclined Devs will be to answer".
It just goes to show that CCP silently backs up any decision made by their newb GM's who never played the game, no matter how stupid and wrong it is.
No matter what outward stance CCP takes there are going to be internal reprecussions I think, if purely from the business standpoint that this is is going to cost CCP money. This isnt a bunch of people whining about nano nerf because theyw ant to whine but a different secion of the player base. If chribba goes, the publicity and dissappointment surrounding that will take a hell of a lot of subs with it.
Chances are that won't affect what they say to us but this will lose money and there are people higher up than the Devs who are going to be pretty annoyed about that.
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Dr Jekill
Caldari Deadly Addiction Un-Natural Selection
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Posted - 2008.08.27 10:00:00 -
[260]
Originally by: Akita T Last in a long line of STUPIDÖ choices CCP made recently.
/QFT
CCP you are just plain WRONG on this. Vera Lynn --------------------------------------------- Born in London in 1917 became one of the most famous voices of World War II Vera's most popular song was "We'll Meet Again" |
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Atomos Darksun
Infortunatus Eventus Obsidian Empire
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Posted - 2008.08.27 10:00:00 -
[261]
Edited by: Atomos Darksun on 27/08/2008 10:01:10
Originally by: Tarek Tarazul
Originally by: Case Kovaks Edited by: Case Kovaks on 27/08/2008 09:53:58 Despite the fact this is 10 pages long, it is only 4 hours old. They probably havnt got into work yet.
Someone in CCP management is going to give the Dev team a seriously bad day when they get in and find a 40 page thread I think
When i first came upon this thread it grew faster than i could read it. I just wanted to repost the "show your support" post from page 3. Linkage
Originally by: Amoxin My vent is talking to me in a devil voice...
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Shevar
Minmatar A.W.M Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2008.08.27 10:01:00 -
[262]
Originally by: Devilish Ledoux"
First they came for the suicide gankers and I didn't speak up because I didn't suicide gank
Then they came for the Veldnaught and I didn't speak up because I didn't have a Veldnaught.
Then they came for the Opux Luxury Yacht and I didn't speak up because I didn't have an Opux Luxury Yact.
Then they came for the T2 BPOs and I didn't speak up because I didnt' have a T2 BPO.
And then they came for me, and no one spoke up because they were all playing Warhammer Online.
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Ashlee Darksky
Minmatar Forum Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.08.27 10:01:00 -
[263]
CCP panders once again to the carebares and pro-nerf-whiners on the forums, once again we take another step towards becoming WoW in space. When is it going to end? I can't even shoot fleet members anymore
Anyway, I'm off to design my next ship;
Hi: Sword Sword Crossbow Dagger
Med: Breastplate Helmet Rucksack
Low: First aid Bandages Water
Rigs: Kettle A fire Fishing net
Please let me know what you think of this fit... If it could tank more damage I would be interested to hear... or do you think it lacks DPS? Coming to a solar system near you... soon... probably...
PS - Sorry to hear about the Veldnaught Chribba
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> I see fail everywhere, and it's like they don't even know they're failing
> Bring me the heads of 10 carebears, 5 bottles of BBQ sauce, firewood and a box of matches! |
Case Kovaks
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2008.08.27 10:03:00 -
[264]
Theres a CSM thread you can show your support in HERE.
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Kuolematon
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2008.08.27 10:03:00 -
[265]
Aww comoon people. Stop this maddness. Their game, their rules.
They want to remove caps from hisec for reason X .. so be it.
Stop this NERD RAGE now!
"The Amarr are the tanking and ganking floating rods of goldcrap"
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ApaKaka
Lone Starr Corporation
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Posted - 2008.08.27 10:04:00 -
[266]
Originally by: Case Kovaks Edited by: Case Kovaks on 27/08/2008 10:00:13 EDIT: I put the quote in as the post I as replying to had shot up the page while I was writing that
Originally by: ApaKaka
You'll soon notice the unwritten rule of "the more outrage and replies in a thread, the less inclined Devs will be to answer".
It just goes to show that CCP silently backs up any decision made by their newb GM's who never played the game, no matter how stupid and wrong it is.
No matter what outward stance CCP takes there are going to be internal reprecussions I think, if purely from the business standpoint that this is is going to cost CCP money. This isnt a bunch of people whining about nano nerf because theyw ant to whine but a different secion of the player base. If chribba goes, the publicity and dissappointment surrounding that will take a hell of a lot of subs with it.
Chances are that won't affect what they say to us but this will lose money and there are people higher up than the Devs who are going to be pretty annoyed about that.
Frankly, I think most GMs and Devs never really played the game or read the forums or even know who Chribba is. They are told they should play Eve when they start their first day, and they probably log in, and play around in the hangar a while and then go to the huge list of TO-DO's in their work and never return.
So, what we're seeing here is pretty much CCP going from being a dedicated core of developers to the"JAC - Just Another Company"-model. Just like Google. Just like all the great and interesting companies in the past.
They probably don't care that if Chribba would've been on their payroll, veldnaught tattoo's and hordes of supporting fan-sites (eve-files etc) and all, would be the freaking most fantastic PR win for them. Or they just don't know.
Either way, they suck.
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Spoon Thumb
Paladin Imperium Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.27 10:05:00 -
[267]
Sure this has already been said but this continues a trend of removing player created content from the game.
Some other notable examples are when they nerfed illegal trade goods, making them sellable in stations, killing off a whole underground roleplay scene revolving around smuggling drugs
Removing cans killed off can art and massively nerfed the Molea cemetary, but consideration to these things was only given by CCP as an afterthought when people complained
_______ People like that don't have friends just temporary common interests.
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Dee Carson
Caldari Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2008.08.27 10:06:00 -
[268]
Chribba:
CCP may disrespect your rights as they choose, but know that the players recognize your iconic stature, no matter how many of your hard-earned toys CCP steals.
CCP:
Shame on you!
Dee Carson Director of Operations Eve University
Any opinions expressed in this post are mine and do not represent official Eve University policy.
Join channel: "Eve University" for more info. |
Gaia Thorn
Villains
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Posted - 2008.08.27 10:06:00 -
[269]
Edited by: Gaia Thorn on 27/08/2008 10:07:43
Originally by: Cyberman Mastermind Edited by: Cyberman Mastermind on 27/08/2008 09:41:09 Edited by: Cyberman Mastermind on 27/08/2008 09:40:20
Originally by: Krxon Blade Exceptions should be allowed.
Exceptions shouldn't be necessary.
IF there is a good reason to remove those silent giants from high-sec, then I'm sure we'd accept the loss of the Veldnaught (and the others). Till now, though, no one could think up a good reason. And CCP remains silent...
[edit ] "Good reason" does not include "Duh, it's obivous" or "Capital ships do not belong to high-sec". Neither is "CCP says so - now".
Hows this for a reason they made a rule about them not being in high sec ?
END of discussion if u dont like it adapt or leave welcome to new eve online.
Removed. Please keep your EVE signature related to your EVE persona and not that of a real life politician. Navigator
I am a political prisoner of eve. |
Szap Light
Caldari Minds Of Space Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2008.08.27 10:08:00 -
[270]
Edited by: Szap Light on 27/08/2008 10:17:39 I created a thread in the CSM Forums so that it will be brought up as a Topic to CCP which they MUST answer.
Edit: Sry i Have overlooked there allready was one open. Look HERE and support us
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Ordais
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Posted - 2008.08.27 10:09:00 -
[271]
Edited by: Ordais on 27/08/2008 10:11:42
Originally by: Gaia Thorn Edited by: Gaia Thorn on 27/08/2008 10:07:43
Originally by: Cyberman Mastermind Edited by: Cyberman Mastermind on 27/08/2008 09:41:09 Edited by: Cyberman Mastermind on 27/08/2008 09:40:20
Originally by: Krxon Blade Exceptions should be allowed.
Exceptions shouldn't be necessary.
IF there is a good reason to remove those silent giants from high-sec, then I'm sure we'd accept the loss of the Veldnaught (and the others). Till now, though, no one could think up a good reason. And CCP remains silent...
[edit ] "Good reason" does not include "Duh, it's obivous" or "Capital ships do not belong to high-sec". Neither is "CCP says so - now".
Hows this for a reason they made a rule about them not being in high sec ?
END of discussion if u dont like it adapt or leave welcome to new eve online.
look, you are just another of this "if i cant have it noone else should have it" type of ppl he? go away, plz.
This high-sec caps added something to the game, its obvious. They take it away (and not because it was broken). That shows how CCP are NOT in touch with the game anymore. Thats why there are complaints. The feeling of "just a matter of time till they nerf me too for no apparent reason" is all over us, and you can feel it on the forums already.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2008.08.27 10:09:00 -
[272]
Edited by: MotherMoon on 27/08/2008 10:10:06
Originally by: Kuolematon Aww comoon people. Stop this maddness. Their game, their rules.
They want to remove caps from hisec for reason X .. so be it.
Stop this NERD RAGE now!
so you support them not telling us before hand?
edit: nerf the opux yatch, it's not fair for only one person to own it.
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Jimbob Jumbo
Macabre Votum Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2008.08.27 10:10:00 -
[273]
bring back the veldnaught !
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Eben Rochelle
Gallente LFC Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2008.08.27 10:10:00 -
[274]
Posting because it need to be said. C'mon CCP show your face(s) and explain this pointless change.
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Gaia Thorn
Villains
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Posted - 2008.08.27 10:11:00 -
[275]
I mean think of the carebears that cant mind veldspar cause chribba and his co-horts have stripped the systems in there unbeatbable machines.
Its a unfair advantage and should be corrected so that everyone conforms to the same standard of gameplay.
No one should stick out nor have any advantages over any one else
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Another Forum'Alt
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Posted - 2008.08.27 10:12:00 -
[276]
This is a stupid move on CCP's part, and proof they are trying to alienate their own players.
/signed to move it back. Save EVE's most famous landmark: Linkage |
Zeknichov
Dark Prophecy Inc. Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.08.27 10:12:00 -
[277]
Seriously the second devs introduced faction warfare everyone should have been suspicious. Then nano-nerf than hi-sec ganking nerf than this? CCP this is just ridiculous. Please go back to your old ways of being a good developing company.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2008.08.27 10:12:00 -
[278]
Edited by: MotherMoon on 27/08/2008 10:13:59 Edited by: MotherMoon on 27/08/2008 10:13:21
Originally by: Gaia Thorn I mean think of the carebears that cant mind veldspar cause chribba and his co-horts have stripped the systems in there unbeatbable machines.
Its a unfair advantage and should be corrected so that everyone conforms to the same standard of gameplay.
No one should stick out nor have any advantages over any one else
so the people with one of kind ships shouldn't have them?
edit:also a dread can't mine well, all it has is a large cargo bay. you're better off with a mining barge.
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Eben Rochelle
Gallente LFC Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2008.08.27 10:13:00 -
[279]
Edited by: Eben Rochelle on 27/08/2008 10:13:07 doh nvm
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Kuolematon
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2008.08.27 10:14:00 -
[280]
Originally by: MotherMoon Edited by: MotherMoon on 27/08/2008 10:10:06
Originally by: Kuolematon Aww comoon people. Stop this maddness. Their game, their rules.
They want to remove caps from hisec for reason X .. so be it.
Stop this NERD RAGE now!
so you support them not telling us before hand?
edit: nerf the opux yatch, it's not fair for only one person to own it.
English, motherfracker, do you understand it?
"The Amarr are the tanking and ganking floating rods of goldcrap"
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2008.08.27 10:16:00 -
[281]
Edited by: MotherMoon on 27/08/2008 10:16:24
Originally by: Kuolematon
Originally by: MotherMoon Edited by: MotherMoon on 27/08/2008 10:10:06
Originally by: Kuolematon Aww comoon people. Stop this maddness. Their game, their rules.
They want to remove caps from hisec for reason X .. so be it.
Stop this NERD RAGE now!
so you support them not telling us before hand?
edit: nerf the opux yatch, it's not fair for only one person to own it.
English, motherfracker, do you understand it?
yes you said it's CCP's game and they do what they want when they want without telling anyone.
great I disagree with you, I believe they can do whatever they want, when they want, but in no way can they do this without telling those that will be effected.
the issue? you said it yourself reason X, you shouldn't have to post reason *fill in the blank*
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Ordais
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Posted - 2008.08.27 10:16:00 -
[282]
Originally by: Kuolematon
Originally by: MotherMoon Edited by: MotherMoon on 27/08/2008 10:10:06
Originally by: Kuolematon Aww comoon people. Stop this maddness. Their game, their rules.
They want to remove caps from hisec for reason X .. so be it.
Stop this NERD RAGE now!
so you support them not telling us before hand?
edit: nerf the opux yatch, it's not fair for only one person to own it.
English, motherfracker, do you understand it?
yep, their game, our money. allways good to frack off your customers for no reason (nano at least has a reason, but this?)
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ApaKaka
Lone Starr Corporation
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Posted - 2008.08.27 10:17:00 -
[283]
Originally by: Zeknichov Seriously the second devs introduced faction warfare everyone should have been suspicious. Then nano-nerf than hi-sec ganking nerf than this? CCP this is just ridiculous. Please go back to your old ways of being a good developing company.
CCP: Hai, we just hired the lead-developer from Sony Entertainment and Star Wars: Galaxies. We are going to see a wide range of fun changes and "expansions" the coming years. Thxbye.
Oh, and. **** you ccp, this is pretty much the last straw, I was already pretty disillusioned with your visions for the future, now I've lost all hope that you even care about the player made stories and content as well.
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Frug
Repo Industries R.E.P.O.
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Posted - 2008.08.27 10:18:00 -
[284]
There is SO MUCH STUFF that needs to be done with this game. They could use their manpower, even the GMs and higher ups who wasted however long they wasted discussing this issue, could have been doing numerous other things.
Instead they spend time making decisions like this.
This is garbage. There's no reason for it.
No, I don't have one. No, it doesn't affect me directly. Only the stupidity of these moves bugs me.
- - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Hey, my marbles |
Delectatio Morosa
Fatal's Marauders
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Posted - 2008.08.27 10:18:00 -
[285]
This was a needless thing to do :(
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2008.08.27 10:20:00 -
[286]
Originally by: ApaKaka
Originally by: Zeknichov Seriously the second devs introduced faction warfare everyone should have been suspicious. Then nano-nerf than hi-sec ganking nerf than this? CCP this is just ridiculous. Please go back to your old ways of being a good developing company.
CCP: Hai, we just hired the lead-developer from Sony Entertainment and Star Wars: Galaxies. We are going to see a wide range of fun changes and "expansions" the coming years. Thxbye.
\
take it back, you haven't referred to the official tarminic post.
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Frug
Repo Industries R.E.P.O.
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Posted - 2008.08.27 10:24:00 -
[287]
Hi. We're CCP.
We're not going to give you a single dev blog for a month because we're all very busy taking vacations and going through the "growing pains" as we expand our company. We're very busy reassigning developers around and restructuring so that we can better serve you, our valued community. Until we can settle down and work things out, we hope that you will be patient with us because we will be very communicating and vocal with you as soon as we have the time.
Also, we just moved your high sec cap ships to low sec for no good reason! Toodles!
- - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Hey, my marbles |
Nypon
Unseen University
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Posted - 2008.08.27 10:24:00 -
[288]
Lets see,
1. Demios proposed changes. Not called for and totally clueless...
2. The speed "nerf". While necessary, the proposed changes showed that whoever tought them out did not play the game.
3. And now this, another UNNECESSARY change...
The high sec capitals have not as far as I know been abused in any way... and still there is some sort of "NEED" to fix them?
CCP, please stop FUBAR-ing things that do work in your wonderfull game and start fixing all those "intended feature" things that break it. |
Casino Alkasar
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.08.27 10:24:00 -
[289]
oh dang!
Well this highsec caps have been a rumor even my non eve-gamer friends knew of. _________________ itze mine Rock¦n roll |
MellaRinn
Gallente Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2008.08.27 10:25:00 -
[290]
it does take the mick a little bit, tbh :/
✖Veto Corp. Officer✖ Click the sig 4 my vids |
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Smagd
Encina Technologies
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Posted - 2008.08.27 10:27:00 -
[291]
Actually, it WAS still possible to aquire high-sec capitals: They're on sale sometimes.
So the argument that it's impossible to get one is naff. The same argument would go for unique ships, like Tribal Issue Tempests or Opux Luxury Yachts or the Federal Issue Megathron or those Apotheosises.
If you want to nerf hard-to-get ships, why stop at unique ships? Get rid of faction ships, of capitals altogether, allow all those to fly each in one system only maybe, then replace all Tech 2 items with Tech 3 at three times the skill cost and half the performance and a dozen times the cost.
Then we'll all be force to fly frigates and be on equal footing.
Good game. *ironic smiley*
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Sophia Germain
Fluxion
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Posted - 2008.08.27 10:30:00 -
[292]
Chribba, it's quite simple for you to boycott what CCP did. Simply disable eve-files and anything related to it for a week. No doubt this will be a nuisance to players, but most of all, it will show CCP that they should give you at least some slack for all the free work you've put in to running such services.
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DasDizzy
Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated
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Posted - 2008.08.27 10:31:00 -
[293]
CCP... f**k you
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iloni atoriandra
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.08.27 10:33:00 -
[294]
Iv been playing since 2004 but the last 6-8 months the actions CCP have taken have made me loose all faith in them.
Firstly there was the GTC thing with the "Industry Standard" prices, which was later admitted that it was basically a lie and they said they would be more open in the future.
Then all the other nerfs and catering to whiners and screwing over all the vets.
Now this. CCP have gone back on their word. They said when they stopped caps being able to be constructed that the caps already there could stay there forever as long as they werent used in combat. Now for some reason they completely go back on what they said previously and for no reason.
Way to get people to trust you CCP, its nice to know a company that has all my credit card details is so trustworthy and honest with its customers and playerbase. Oh and i think you messed up my billing for EON and STILL havent resolved it and paid me my money back
Chribba if i were you i would shutdown EVE Files and EVE Search with a big notice of why, deactivate your accounts (make sure to set a long skill) and then write a letter to the press about it and the direction CCP seem to be taking now. Im sure that would finally get their attention when the press start calling.
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Dirk Magnum
Spearhead Endeavors
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Posted - 2008.08.27 10:35:00 -
[295]
The fact that this thread has gone for ten pages without a Dev response suggests that this is a 10/10 troll by Chribba. Just MHO.
But if not, then CCP really does need to rethink their relocation of historic ships. Maybe the whole thing was just an accident? Some automated bit in Eve detected cap ships in High Sec and relocated them automatically?
Originally by: Sophia Germain Chribba, it's quite simple for you to boycott what CCP did. Simply disable eve-files and anything related to it for a week. No doubt this will be a nuisance to players, but most of all, it will show CCP that they should give you at least some slack for all the free work you've put in to running such services.
If Chribba wanted to ruin his good name and forever be remembered as the ultimate whiner, this would be the thing to do. Now recruiting! Click FFS! :X |
BiglipsMarie
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Posted - 2008.08.27 10:37:00 -
[296]
Originally by: DasDizzy CCP... f**k you
Signed. And frankly, Chribba, if you boycott their behaviour by closing your services, a lot of us will back you. |
Kade Jeekin
Kinda'Shujaa
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Posted - 2008.08.27 10:38:00 -
[297]
I lend my support to Chribba on this issue.
To those suggesting - even ironically - in order for this to make sense, that other historical elements of EVE should also be nerfed - Don't! We should all stand up to defend all of these harmless, but significant, elements that give the game some character.
If CCP truly wants the game history to be player generated, then this action of theirs can never make sense. |
Lazuran
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2008.08.27 10:43:00 -
[298]
The answer: Linkage
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Zo5o
Gallente Longcat is Long
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Posted - 2008.08.27 10:47:00 -
[299]
Originally by: Lazuran The answer: Linkage
Epic win in a sad thread.
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Cygnus Zhada
Amarr Reckless Corsairs
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Posted - 2008.08.27 10:54:00 -
[300]
Damnit Chribba, that sucks hardcore. Oddly it enough it strenghtens my belief about what has been happening; Changes that are made against past ideals and without acknowledging the past and it's past players, all in hopes to make as much cash short term to fund their new puppy.
- Tzar'rim
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Princess Niarja
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.08.27 10:55:00 -
[301]
Bleh. It's not like they were much of a problem now... CCP should care about more severe issues first.
But then again, you'll finally be able to mine something better than Veldspar
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Lothros Andastar
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.08.27 10:55:00 -
[302]
no. Just no.
Why CCP?
What's the point?
The Veldnaught did nothing to you. why nerf it!
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F FLETCH
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Posted - 2008.08.27 10:55:00 -
[303]
This really is a double edged sword.
1. Should Dreads and Carriers be in high sec - NO they were never intended to be, should they be removed?, only CCP can answer that.
2. Have CCP got far more important things to be worrying about currently? My guess would be YES but who knows.
FF
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Spoon Thumb
Paladin Imperium Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.27 10:56:00 -
[304]
Originally by: iloni atoriandra
Chribba if i were you i would shutdown EVE Files and EVE Search with a big notice of why, deactivate your accounts (make sure to set a long skill) and then write a letter to the press about it and the direction CCP seem to be taking now. Im sure that would finally get their attention when the press start calling.
Naa, It'd be far more potent to have all Eve-files images display the same message for a day. Something like "Mourning the loss of the veldnaught" or something. Then when CCP see every second post in the forums with the same sig, they might take notice
_______ People like that don't have friends just temporary common interests.
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seliana tanis
Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.08.27 10:57:00 -
[305]
Way to go CCP, I'm starting to wonder whether some of your gm's actually play or have knowledge of this game. There were already stringent rules around the high sec caps, and it was a chance for the new players to see capitals without getting shot and podded in lowsec or 0.0 Chribba is a great guy, providing excellent services like eve-files, as well as his support in super cap trades etc, an area where CCP still hasn't bothered to fix, so at the very least give him an explination.
Proud to be part of the 99% of nano pilots with T2 rigs and snake sets!
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KingAc
Minmatar North Star Networks Black Hand.
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Posted - 2008.08.27 10:58:00 -
[306]
Shit happens Chribba lika always we will blame Masken 4 it.
You are always welcome to join NSN to our drunk mining ops.
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Lothros Andastar
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.08.27 11:00:00 -
[307]
I have a horrible feeling that some GM ****ed up here.
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Zhike Jonze
FinFleet Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.08.27 11:01:00 -
[308]
Yes, I also want to know the reason behind this latest policy change?
why?
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Corvac
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.08.27 11:02:00 -
[309]
What a piece of crap, nobody with a brain around in CCP offices yet? Everyone away on summer vacation?
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Matjara Laahr
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Posted - 2008.08.27 11:02:00 -
[310]
What to say? I am tempted to one line it: "You messed up CCP, I am disappointed"
That won't change anything so I'll try for a tad longer version.
First of all, I doubt they will move the highsec caps back to their home systems. I wish but I doubt it. Eve is for me about being in a player driven world. Stuff that player do have direct inpact upon the world we fly in. I have long accepted to be a small cog wheel. But I can still look at the achievements other players did and feel connected to them because we all play Eve. Outposts in 0.0, memorials at the Jita 4 4 outdock or at the titan graveyards, high sec capitals and the diffrent sites created with cans. It gets less and less. The longer it takes the more it looks like only "Dev approved" content will be in the game. What is next? Dev given outpost names? Fixed skill progression? Is that really the way you want Eve to go? Wow in space isn't solely about being easy and no death penality. It is also about giving player the freedom to do stuff on their own. I fear for the sandbox that is Eve. So why am I dissapointed and not angry? Because frankly I can't really make myself care enough about Eve anymore. The direction many areas of this game are heading is not one that makes it all that fun. I'll keep playing for a while and still hope the directions get changed. Earlier I was hopeful it would happen, now I really doubt it.
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Zo5o
Gallente Longcat is Long
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Posted - 2008.08.27 11:03:00 -
[311]
I want to believe this is an epic troll thread.
If it is, Chribba is officially elevated to Godlike status.
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Nameless Founder
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Posted - 2008.08.27 11:03:00 -
[312]
Bring back the veldnaught, this is an outrage.
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Hellspawn01
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.08.27 11:04:00 -
[313]
This is complete bullcrap, CCP. Way to go to ruin the game for loyal players that have a better service than you provide. Chribba ftw.
Btw, accounts that were sold on ebay BEFORE the account rules changes did not get banned. Ships that were build before the rule changes are getting banned AFTER the changes to low sec. Common sense is something you dont have, CCP/GMs.
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Louis DelaBlanche
Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2008.08.27 11:05:00 -
[314]
Shame really; I never got to see it ; or indeed any highsec capitals for that matter .
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Lothros Andastar
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.08.27 11:06:00 -
[315]
Its very simple guys we need to play this: Linkage
Maybe then CCP will realise they should listen to their players rather than making up this CSM gimmick
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Balrokenx
Caldari ANZAC ALLIANCE Southern Cross Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.27 11:08:00 -
[316]
100% fail on ccp's part, shows how much they actually know about their customer base.....
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Tradesman Mcgee
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.08.27 11:08:00 -
[317]
Wow..just wow, how freakin ******ed is it possible for a CCP policymaker/dev/whatever to get? -------------------------- Insert signature. |
Aeldan
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Posted - 2008.08.27 11:15:00 -
[318]
As a regular trader to Amarr, I always try to keep an eye out for the mystical Veldnaught. While I haven't been lucky enough to catch it in activity, it was always in the back of my mind to try to catch a glimpse of it.
No more. Why?
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Laveaolous
Amarr 4FS Group
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Posted - 2008.08.27 11:20:00 -
[319]
Pointless and Unecessary action by CCP
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Winterblink
Body Count Inc. The Requiem
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Posted - 2008.08.27 11:20:00 -
[320]
You gotta be ****ing kidding me. This is a ridiculous change.
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Mistress Angelica
Amarr Rio Xingu
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Posted - 2008.08.27 11:21:00 -
[321]
Originally by: Balrokenx 100% fail on ccp's part, shows how much they actually know about their customer base.....
think it shows how much ccp dont give a f**k about the player base. as long as the dollor flows there way, they wont give a flying f**k.
ccp what teh hell are you thinking. mmm maybe you guys just dont think
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Sir Substance
Minmatar Sunspot Requisitions Worlds End Consortium
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Posted - 2008.08.27 11:21:00 -
[322]
Edited by: Sir Substance on 27/08/2008 11:21:22 im going to hit below the belt here.
i going to tell CCP to take a long, hard think about what Taera would say if she were here and saw you doing this.
because i tell you, from what i know of her, Taera would never have sanctioned this. - PvPers always say "GB2WoW". the message is that EVE is hard, and people just need to deal with it. wasn't it funny how when nano's started making it hard for *them*, that all went out the window? |
Verone
Gallente Veto Corp
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Posted - 2008.08.27 11:24:00 -
[323]
Originally by: Chribba So as of today, a new policy has been adapted by CCP regarding high-sec capitals, you know those historic icons that was already regulated by non-combat/exploit rules...
It has now been decided that these icons no longer can reside in high-sec no matter that they where built when they were allowed to. About a year ago, CCP made policy changes when the Rorqual was introduced and nerfed them to low-sec just as the first ones was scheduled to come out of the assembly arrays of the few left in high-sec.
Now a year later all other high-sec capitals (except freighters/JF's) and they are being moved to low-sec all around New Eden.
This imo is a stupid policy change! The capitals was historic icons, people flew long ways to view these ships. They became tourist attractions, added imo great value to the game. But now they are plain useless.
I do understand the "want" of not having capitals in high-sec, but seriously, what threat did these few capitals pose? None, as they were already regulated by the non-combat rules!
Especially shame for those who recently paid billions for high-sec capitals, only to have them nerfed weeks later. And for those who still has their capitals in high-sec, love them now, soon they won't be in your hangar in high-sec.
So CCP, I'm really looking forward to reading your public announcement of this policy change and the explanation of the decision.
/c
Really sorry to hear about this mate, it's a disgrace to be honest given the time and dedication you've put into the community.
\o/ EON FICTION WRITER OF THE YEAR! \o/
>>> THE LIFE OF AN OUTLAW <<< |
Shigsy
The Golden Goat
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Posted - 2008.08.27 11:24:00 -
[324]
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Tajidan
Somalia Warlords Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2008.08.27 11:26:00 -
[325]
Originally by: Mistress Angelica
Originally by: Balrokenx 100% fail on ccp's part, shows how much they actually know about their customer base.....
think it shows how much ccp dont give a f**k about the player base. as long as the dollor flows there way, they wont give a flying f**k.
ccp what teh hell are you thinking. mmm maybe you guys just dont think
it used to be different, along time ago in a galaxy far far away...
this whole thing makes me sad.
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Lady Valory
Caldari Caldari Strike Force
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Posted - 2008.08.27 11:27:00 -
[326]
Here is my take...
They are getting ready to introduce the ORCA...
The combo of hi-sec carrier/dread AND the Orca would be too broken, so the capital ships had to go to make room for the orca...
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Cailais
Amarr VITOC
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Posted - 2008.08.27 11:28:00 -
[327]
CCP can't even be bothered to reply?
Disgraceful treatment of one of the most supportive and long standing members of the EVE community.
If this isnt resolved by the time I get back from work then I'll be voting with my wallet - 1 x Alt Account unsubscribed.
C.
Originally by: Tarminic Your continued whining is somewhat diminished by your continued willingness to give your money to CCP.
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Great Artista
Caldari Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2008.08.27 11:28:00 -
[328]
Move it back.
Right. ****ing. Now. _______
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Neermark
JotunHeim Hird X13 Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.27 11:30:00 -
[329]
/signed
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Judas Jones
Amarr Black Company
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Posted - 2008.08.27 11:30:00 -
[330]
doing an excelent job there CCP, keeping in touch with your playbase, addressing issues that need fixing first and not messing with things that "ain't broken", I would also like to applaud you on finally stabalising the game, both in terms of stability, performance, balance and so forth without resorting to complete mechanical changes, yet again, 5 years into the games lifespan.
Again, well done on keeping your player base happy.
CCP = SoE v2?
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Joey Meow
MURAKAMI INDUSTRIES
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Posted - 2008.08.27 11:31:00 -
[331]
Leave High Sec capitals ALONE!!!!!! They are LANDMARKS! Especially Chribba's!!!!
So long as they are no being used for aggression High Sec capitals are just overpriced toys, and should not be taken away from people who were lucky enough, or worked hard enough to get them. That's just plain stupid CCP!
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Grainsalt
Free-Corp Foundation Liberty Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.27 11:31:00 -
[332]
Pathetic ... absolutely pathetic of CCP, once again they break their word while us high sec capital owners have kept ours and not used them for combat ..
Still they kept their word on everything else right? LSAR's? ---
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Franga
NQX Innovations
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Posted - 2008.08.27 11:32:00 -
[333]
I love this thread for the simple fact that it's Chrib getting annoyed with CCP. <3 Chrib.
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Suboran
Gallente Victory Not Vengeance
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Posted - 2008.08.27 11:33:00 -
[334]
Edited by: Suboran on 27/08/2008 11:34:09 what the hell ccp. havent you got better things to do other than remove certain unique features of the play made game.
Chribba is probaly the most valued member of the eve community and the veldnaught was another feature of the game. why do people goto the new eden gate ect ect...
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Planks
Unjustified Ancients of MuMu
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Posted - 2008.08.27 11:34:00 -
[335]
Edited by: Planks on 27/08/2008 11:33:56 Number 335 in an angry Chribba thread.
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Wild Rho
Amarr Silent Core
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Posted - 2008.08.27 11:34:00 -
[336]
What a pointless and stupid change.
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ShardowRhino
Caldari Legion 0f The Damned
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Posted - 2008.08.27 11:35:00 -
[337]
Can I have your veldsar?
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Treelox
Amarr Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party
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Posted - 2008.08.27 11:35:00 -
[338]
Threads been going for almost 5hrs now, and during normal business hours in Iceland. Yet not a peep from anyone at CCP. Im sure it has been read at this point, and I am guessing a fair ammount of the Dev's are evening say "WTF" about this change.
Seriously Helmar, Wrangler, Grimmi, Hammer, Oveur, Arkanon......anyone? care to comment on the "logic" behind this? --
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Aralis
Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.27 11:36:00 -
[339]
Yet more childishness CCP. Do you break stuff for fun? Decisions shouldn't be made by people who haven't a clue what the game is about.
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Joey Meow
MURAKAMI INDUSTRIES
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Posted - 2008.08.27 11:38:00 -
[340]
Originally by: Treelox Threads been going for almost 5hrs now, and during normal business hours in Iceland. Yet not a peep from anyone at CCP. Im sure it has been read at this point, and I am guessing a fair ammount of the Dev's are evening say "WTF" about this change.
Seriously Helmar, Wrangler, Grimmi, Hammer, Oveur, Arkanon......anyone? care to comment on the "logic" behind this?
I am quoting this.. because honestly, some of the "new" members of CCP appear to be out of touch with the community, very much unlike the "old guard" - who seem to have pretty much disappeared from the face of the earth.
I am not liking the "new" CCP.......
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Winterblink
Body Count Inc. The Requiem
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Posted - 2008.08.27 11:40:00 -
[341]
Originally by: Treelox Threads been going for almost 5hrs now, and during normal business hours in Iceland. Yet not a peep from anyone at CCP. Im sure it has been read at this point, and I am guessing a fair ammount of the Dev's are evening say "WTF" about this change.
Seriously Helmar, Wrangler, Grimmi, Hammer, Oveur, Arkanon......anyone? care to comment on the "logic" behind this?
I would bet someone WOULD care to comment on it, but whoever gets tapped to do it would suffer the equivalent of CCP throwing them into a pack of starving lions.
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Malcanis
We are Legend eXceed.
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Posted - 2008.08.27 11:41:00 -
[342]
DO NOT WANT
CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that. |
Cygnus Zhada
Amarr Reckless Corsairs
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Posted - 2008.08.27 11:41:00 -
[343]
Originally by: Winterblink
Originally by: Treelox Threads been going for almost 5hrs now, and during normal business hours in Iceland. Yet not a peep from anyone at CCP. Im sure it has been read at this point, and I am guessing a fair ammount of the Dev's are evening say "WTF" about this change.
Seriously Helmar, Wrangler, Grimmi, Hammer, Oveur, Arkanon......anyone? care to comment on the "logic" behind this?
I would bet someone WOULD care to comment on it, but whoever gets tapped to do it would suffer the equivalent of CCP throwing them into a pack of starving lions.
Then they should have thought of that before making said stupid decicion.
------------ We didn't want that boot.ini anyway |
Malcanis
We are Legend eXceed.
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Posted - 2008.08.27 11:42:00 -
[344]
So wait, they have time to tidy up a couple of harmless anachronisms, but not time to spend fixing the GOD DAMB CORP INTERFACE?
TO NAME BUT ONE OF A HUNDRED ISSUES THAT EFFECT THOUSANDS OF PLAYERS EVERY DAY.
Yer damb right that was nerd rage. What of it?
CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that. |
Arte
AFK
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Posted - 2008.08.27 11:42:00 -
[345]
Originally by: Joey Meow
Originally by: Treelox Threads been going for almost 5hrs now, and during normal business hours in Iceland. Yet not a peep from anyone at CCP. Im sure it has been read at this point, and I am guessing a fair ammount of the Dev's are evening say "WTF" about this change.
Seriously Helmar, Wrangler, Grimmi, Hammer, Oveur, Arkanon......anyone? care to comment on the "logic" behind this?
I am quoting this.. because honestly, some of the "new" members of CCP appear to be out of touch with the community, very much unlike the "old guard" - who seem to have pretty much disappeared from the face of the earth.
I am not liking the "new" CCP.......
I read that the 'old guard' (TomB and Oveur) went onto other parts of the company - promotions or sideways moves I don't know. But I for one wish they'd come back. Whether you enjoyed the nerf bat or not, at least there was some effort to smooth the waters when it was swung, and usually some logic to their decisions.
Not to dis' any of the dev team in particular, but please up your efforts and start communicating like used to happen.
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Chipan Asty
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Posted - 2008.08.27 11:42:00 -
[346]
There certainly seems to be more anger and disapointment directed at CCP on the forums these days.
Usually after a patch there is much moaning and gnashing of teeth, but there has been no patch for a while yet the anger levels are aproaching levels of the boot.ini incident.
Has there been a reshuffle at CCP towers?
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Evanade
Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.08.27 11:43:00 -
[347]
Originally by: Malcanis
Yer damb right that was nerd rage. What of it?
more please <3
sok alt - main got banzored |
ApaKaka
Lone Starr Corporation
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Posted - 2008.08.27 11:44:00 -
[348]
Originally by: Joey Meow
Originally by: Treelox Threads been going for almost 5hrs now, and during normal business hours in Iceland. Yet not a peep from anyone at CCP. Im sure it has been read at this point, and I am guessing a fair ammount of the Dev's are evening say "WTF" about this change.
Seriously Helmar, Wrangler, Grimmi, Hammer, Oveur, Arkanon......anyone? care to comment on the "logic" behind this?
I am quoting this.. because honestly, some of the "new" members of CCP appear to be out of touch with the community, very much unlike the "old guard" - who seem to have pretty much disappeared from the face of the earth.
I am not liking the "new" CCP.......
QFT. Half of these guys do not even work at CCP anymore, I'm pretty sure, and if they do, they are no longer in any position to give input to the direction the game is taking.
Oh, and what happened to Kieron? Still no word? Really...
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5pinDizzy
Amarr Umpteenth Podding
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Posted - 2008.08.27 11:44:00 -
[349]
To be honest having just read this, I found it absolutely hilarious.
We were wondering whether Chribba was being favoured not the other day for being an Eve celebrity. When someone tried impersonating him got banned yadda yadda.
Well now I guess not.
At least you have the huge fame and the billions upon billions of easy isk to be greatful for, and neither of them are likely to die out fast.
Seeing as it's Chribba we have the celebrity psychology think going and the usual *******s are instead going oohhh noooo. My poor chribba etc...
So I'll say it, as Chribba has said it himself to other people in their threads and so have the rest of you at one point or another fanbois. Well guess what? It's YOU thats been hit with the nerfbat now, hurts doesn't it?
Adapt or Die.
Waaa Waa Waaa,
Mmmm, capital dreadnaught tears,
etc...
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ThrudUK
Caldari The Cursed Navy
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Posted - 2008.08.27 11:45:00 -
[350]
This sounds like change for the sake of it and I wholeheartedly disapprove of this!
Chribba and the Veldnaught are MORE a part of Eve Lore than FW will ever be, and yet we are meant to BELIEVE that cap ships came to Hi Sec and pew pewed...
This fails CCP
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Hroya
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Posted - 2008.08.27 11:46:00 -
[351]
Capitol ships that cant perform any agressive actions in sec space are no threat at all. If people invest their time and efford in obtaining such a ship then they should be allowed to. Even in 1.0 systems imo.
It is their time, their effort and it is inherent to the freedom of choice advertised by the game to new players joining ( or as in my case case rejoining ) EvE.
I could comment with some other arguments which i wont do because i dont want this topic to derail.
CCP, dont change what doesnt need to be changed.
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Semkhet
Spartan Industries
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Posted - 2008.08.27 11:47:00 -
[352]
Originally by: Corvac What a piece of crap, nobody with a brain around in CCP offices yet? Everyone away on summer vacation?
There are two aspects involved here:
A) Most MMOG's lack an historical dimension achieved through the integration of persistent elements born from player's interactions. A virtual world's depth is partially function of the amount of human symbolism you can encounter. I'm amazed the folks at CCP are shooting themselves in such idiotic way.
B) You simply don't p**s off Chribba, a distinct player which has probably done more for the sake of the game than many of the geniuses sitting at CCP we subvention through our subs.
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Benedic
The Aftermath
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Posted - 2008.08.27 11:47:00 -
[353]
Sounds like another pathetic attempt of a CCP employee to say 'LOOK, I DID SOMETHING'
Well, you are succeeding, 'LOOK, I HAVE SHAT ALL OVER A ONCE DECENT GAME'
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Stella Ar'tois
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Posted - 2008.08.27 11:48:00 -
[354]
There was a time when CCP would make an announcement about a change like this stating the reasons for it, so at least it could be understood, if not liked.
For them to just do this using 'EVE System' to mail anonymously with no warning, plus no follow up by a Dev or GM in this post so far, speaks volumes about how they intend to do things in the future.
I find the lack of communication disturbing, almost as if they don't care anymore.
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Zephyr Rengate
dearg doom
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Posted - 2008.08.27 11:48:00 -
[355]
boohoo.
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Lady Sarine
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Posted - 2008.08.27 11:49:00 -
[356]
Chribba is a garmon alt. This is an epic troll.
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Jekaterine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.08.27 11:51:00 -
[357]
Originally by: Aralis Yet more childishness CCP. Do you break stuff for fun? Decisions shouldn't be made by people who haven't a clue what the game is about.
ITT:
Star Fraction member agrees wholeheartedly with CVA member.
In other news frogs are raining from the sky and general concensus is that the sky is falling.
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Sylvmar
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.08.27 11:51:00 -
[358]
Edited by: Sylvmar on 27/08/2008 11:52:05 This is just more of the business management rationalisation mantra.
People are not rational, life is not rational.
CCP if you over rationalise you destroy all uniqueness and what makes EVE enjoyable.
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Flash Bombardo
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Posted - 2008.08.27 11:51:00 -
[359]
I don't beleive the people who run Eve see it as a democracy and find any of our opinions even slightly relevant. I can understand that to a point, but when you have a long term player base, you had better make sure you don't go stepping on it too hard.
This is clearly questionable game management, just from the content of this thread, and potentially completely the wrong decision given its OP.
Sort it CCP before they rebel!
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Shigsy
The Golden Goat
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Posted - 2008.08.27 11:53:00 -
[360]
Originally by: Shigsy
quoting for page 12
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Lelulie
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.08.27 11:54:00 -
[361]
So Infinity / Earthrise / Warhammer 40k Online are looking all the more popular future Sci-Fi pvp MMO's.
EVE has strayed so far from its original inception, with CCP employees wasting time on things and adding ambulation "fluff" to the game, giving players more reason to stay in station and not actually play the game in space?
I think there's gonna be a big shock to the system when the hoard of Sci-Fi MMO competition comes out that's in the works, do CCP realise how much of their current success is down to the lack of actual competitors, ambulation won't keep your customers, it's far better done in Sci-Fi games actually built upon that dynamic with game engines designed for it... ------------------------------------ |
Roy Batty68
Caldari Immortal Dead
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Posted - 2008.08.27 11:54:00 -
[362]
Originally by: Winterblink
I would bet someone WOULD care to comment on it, but whoever gets tapped to do it would suffer the equivalent of CCP throwing them into a pack of starving lions.
Blood in the water! BLOOD IN THE WATER!!
Sig removed, inappropriate content. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint |
Mia Fatalis
Caldari Radioactive Squirrel Squad
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Posted - 2008.08.27 11:55:00 -
[363]
very few things ive seen on these forums have ever made me want to quit this game. nerfs here, boosts there, idiots a plenty. ive never seen the veldnought, never really had an interest in it really...but just seeing this thread is just so...disgusting. makes me want to just leave.
That CCP would do something this stupid, arbitrarily, doesnt give me hope for any future changes they may make.
maybe it is time to move on, eh?
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Stephen HB
Mystical Knights Legionnaire Services Ltd.
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Posted - 2008.08.27 11:56:00 -
[364]
Keeping this alive as long as it takes, come on CCP how about some answers? ----------
Character creation guide.
Originally by: Adonis 4174 You killed him to annoy him. He self-destructed to annoy you. You're annoyed thus he wins.
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Judas Jones
Amarr Black Company
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Posted - 2008.08.27 11:58:00 -
[365]
Originally by: Lelulie So Infinity / Earthrise / Warhammer 40k Online are looking all the more popular future Sci-Fi pvp MMO's.
EVE has strayed so far from its original inception, with CCP employees wasting time on things and adding ambulation "fluff" to the game, giving players more reason to stay in station and not actually play the game in space?
I think there's gonna be a big shock to the system when the hoard of Sci-Fi MMO competition comes out that's in the works, do CCP realise how much of their current success is down to the lack of actual competitors, ambulation won't keep your customers, it's far better done in Sci-Fi games actually built upon that dynamic with game engines designed for it...
This, CCPS has held on this long becuase of lack of real competition in the genre..now toss on more like, Star Trek Online or Star Gate Worlds, and thing's don;t look so cosy for the futrue.
It's never wise to antagonise your older player base or alienate the "newbies".
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Dionisius
Gallente Sincarnate Holding
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Posted - 2008.08.27 11:59:00 -
[366]
Originally by: Stephen HB Keeping this alive as long as it takes, come on CCP how about some answers?
If CCP doesn't even answer to costumers that have their graphics cards getting fried due to a client malfunction , are you expecting they answer to this?
Only reason i would see them answering here would be to the fact that is Chribba starting the thread because other than that i don't even see them bothering to answer.
Good thing WAR is now only one month away from launch... _____________________________________
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Mistress Angelica
Amarr Rio Xingu
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Posted - 2008.08.27 12:01:00 -
[367]
Originally by: Mia Fatalis very few things ive seen on these forums have ever made me want to quit this game. nerfs here, boosts there, idiots a plenty. ive never seen the veldnought, never really had an interest in it really...but just seeing this thread is just so...disgusting. makes me want to just leave.
That CCP would do something this stupid, arbitrarily, doesnt give me hope for any future changes they may make.
maybe it is time to move on, eh?
what she said
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Shintai
Gallente Balad Naran Orbital Shipyards
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Posted - 2008.08.27 12:02:00 -
[368]
Originally by: Dionisius
Originally by: Stephen HB Keeping this alive as long as it takes, come on CCP how about some answers?
If CCP doesn't even answer to costumers that have their graphics cards getting fried due to a client malfunction , are you expecting they answer to this?
Only reason i would see them answering here would be to the fact that is Chribba starting the thread because other than that i don't even see them bothering to answer.
Good thing WAR is now only one month away from launch...
I¦m quite sure you have to blame nVidia/AMD for that. Specially their drivers and throttle in different games.
Anyway, somebody call the waaaaaahbulance.
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Abstraction and Transcendence: Nature, Shintai, and Geometry |
Lt Angus
Caldari Lt Angus Corp
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Posted - 2008.08.27 12:03:00 -
[369]
im quiting in protest so chribba doesn't have to
Shhhh, Im hunting Badgers |
Brzhk
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Posted - 2008.08.27 12:05:00 -
[370]
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE !
I hereby demand that the naughty GM be spanked and the video link on youtube given in a devblog !
seriously, that was low :(
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Dionisius
Gallente Sincarnate Holding
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Posted - 2008.08.27 12:08:00 -
[371]
Originally by: Shintai
Originally by: Dionisius
Originally by: Stephen HB Keeping this alive as long as it takes, come on CCP how about some answers?
If CCP doesn't even answer to costumers that have their graphics cards getting fried due to a client malfunction , are you expecting they answer to this?
Only reason i would see them answering here would be to the fact that is Chribba starting the thread because other than that i don't even see them bothering to answer.
Good thing WAR is now only one month away from launch...
I¦m quite sure you have to blame nVidia/AMD for that. Specially their drivers and throttle in different games.
Anyway, somebody call the waaaaaahbulance.
Only problem in your assessment is that i already contacted Nvidia and tested stuff in other games, problem is 100% in EvE client.
Btw its, Nvidia / intel. _____________________________________
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Havok Dryke
The Scope
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Posted - 2008.08.27 12:08:00 -
[372]
Edited by: Havok Dryke on 27/08/2008 12:11:24 Edited by: Havok Dryke on 27/08/2008 12:11:09 Okay, I can`t find words bad enough for this.
Oh, CCP? The sound you hear in the background? That`s the sound of an enraged mob forming. ---
Originally by: El'tar I WOULD WARRIOR FOR WOMAN BELONG TO ME
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Deva Blackfire
D00M.
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Posted - 2008.08.27 12:08:00 -
[373]
stupid CCP is stupid
and veldnaught should remain in amarr - its icon FFS
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namelessclone01
Caldari blackbox ops
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Posted - 2008.08.27 12:11:00 -
[374]
just adding one more voice to the myriad of others in support of Chribba's and others' highsec capitals.
this change needs either to be reversed or thoroughly explained by CCP, for the simple fact that as it is now it's simply CCP spitting in the face of their community and their customers.
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Shintai
Gallente Balad Naran Orbital Shipyards
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Posted - 2008.08.27 12:13:00 -
[375]
Edited by: Shintai on 27/08/2008 12:15:54
Originally by: Dionisius
Originally by: Shintai
Originally by: Dionisius
Originally by: Stephen HB Keeping this alive as long as it takes, come on CCP how about some answers?
If CCP doesn't even answer to costumers that have their graphics cards getting fried due to a client malfunction , are you expecting they answer to this?
Only reason i would see them answering here would be to the fact that is Chribba starting the thread because other than that i don't even see them bothering to answer.
Good thing WAR is now only one month away from launch...
I¦m quite sure you have to blame nVidia/AMD for that. Specially their drivers and throttle in different games.
Anyway, somebody call the waaaaaahbulance.
Only problem in your assessment is that i already contacted Nvidia and tested stuff in other games, problem is 100% in EvE client.
Btw its, Nvidia / intel.
nVidia/AMD GRAPHICS CARDS! Also nVidia...perhaps you missed their faulty quality products. Even Dell had to extend warrenties. Seems the QA on the G9x chips and G84/G86 was not quite there.
Or some nVidia driver glitch actually did something like this: (Just ATI here due to fried/overheated cards aswell) Link
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Mel Dareia
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Posted - 2008.08.27 12:14:00 -
[376]
Sad. Just sad.
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Korinn
The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.08.27 12:17:00 -
[377]
What a ****ing moronic decision.
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Tacyon
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Posted - 2008.08.27 12:18:00 -
[378]
CCP is a bunch of poo smelling goobags!
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Cutter Isaacson
Minmatar Hollow World Mining Corporation QUANT Hegemony
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Posted - 2008.08.27 12:19:00 -
[379]
Edited by: Cutter Isaacson on 27/08/2008 12:20:03 Dear CCP,
I see no rhyme or reason to the madness which seems to be gradually taking hold of this little world you built for us, the one which you are slowly but surely killing. Many of the actions you have taken, though it took us time to realise and come to terms with, have been done for good reasons and as such have been accepted by the community at large.
Outright nerfs and subtle balances are done for the good of the game overall, but this latest "stunt" seems to be neither nerf nor balance, all it seems to be is an arbitrary decision taken with no fore-thought or consideration for the consequences it will have.
All of us here understand that we pay to play this game and that a game is all it is. We understand that it is a product, one you own and hold all rights to, and as such can do whatever you please with. What we don't understand is your lack of respect for us as consumers, as customers.
For a company to survive and for its products to flourish and do well, there must always be a balance between the creators and the end users which, up until now, there has been. By acting the way you are you risk alienating both new and existing customers and damaging not only the product but also your reputation. It has been noted before that this game has only done as well as it has because it is loved. Your advertising until recently was mostly done by the players ,spreading the word of EVE to any and all that would listen, helping EVE to grow.
If you follow the path you have taken (and one which you have already travelled a fair distance down in recent months) to its only logical conclusion you will find yourselves very much out in the cold as players new and old alike abandon you for greener pastures. This is a crossroads, and your actions in the coming days will show us, all of us, your true colours.
Please CCP, think long and hard about what you do, because one day there may be no-one left to notice.
EDIT: for spelling and grammatical errors
Originally by: Haks'he Lirky Some people should just stick to Pac Man.
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Wokrred
ZiTek
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Posted - 2008.08.27 12:21:00 -
[380]
While it's only been hours since this has happened, someone at CCP is going to need to answer this by the end of the day.
I know I wouldn't want to be sitting at the Dev table at Fanfest in a room of players that have been drinking when this subject comes up.
Why a dev blog stating the change first is beyond me, used to happen in the past and is what I liked so much about Eve... the devs cared about the playerbase to inform them and get feedback which 4 years ago when I started other MMO's could care less.
I understand that Eve is still growing as a game, just don't forget your roots and the path that got this company where it is today. This is what made Eve unique as a game and CCP as a company.
IF this move doesn't get reversed then at least make these ships immortal as NPC's in the systems they lived in as they where living landmarks.
Originally by: Hennry Fromer
My theory is My Ship and drones have been out huffing paint together - would explain a few actions taken by both.
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Kilabi
Minmatar Veto Corp
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Posted - 2008.08.27 12:26:00 -
[381]
Give the capitals back. First post by Chribba had every reason one needs.
They are not only ships but symbols.
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ApaKaka
Lone Starr Corporation
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Posted - 2008.08.27 12:26:00 -
[382]
Originally by: Wokrred While it's only been hours since this has happened, someone at CCP is going to need to answer this by the end of the day.
I know I wouldn't want to be sitting at the Dev table at Fanfest in a room of players that have been drinking when this subject comes up.
Why a dev blog stating the change first is beyond me, used to happen in the past and is what I liked so much about Eve... the devs cared about the playerbase to inform them and get feedback which 4 years ago when I started other MMO's could care less.
I understand that Eve is still growing as a game, just don't forget your roots and the path that got this company where it is today. This is what made Eve unique as a game and CCP as a company.
IF this move doesn't get reversed then at least make these ships immortal as NPC's in the systems they lived in as they where living landmarks.
Why would anyone even go to fanfest when their biggest fan and contributor gets a swift kick in the face for everything he's done for them? Imagine how little YOU mean to CCP in comparison?
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Tom Zarrek
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Posted - 2008.08.27 12:28:00 -
[383]
imo, ccp you need to VERY QUICKLY and VERY PUBLICLY execute whoever came up with this idea. (in-game)
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Helios Nero
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Posted - 2008.08.27 12:28:00 -
[384]
Put it back! Put the ten commad- wait. No. But seriously, put all high sec capitals back. NOW.
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Rubra
J. S. Bach In memoriam
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Posted - 2008.08.27 12:32:00 -
[385]
In short order:
1) Give Chribba his Veldnaught back, as well as the other few caps in empire prior to this latest half-assed decision.
2) Remove Freighters and Exhumers from Hi-sec.
3) Randomize asteroid belts to make macroing a PITA.
4) Stop any attempt to fix speed and throw away this nano-nerf idea.
5) Buff Low-sec.
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NilByMouth
Lave Lounge Lizards
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Posted - 2008.08.27 12:33:00 -
[386]
Replying again because: -
a) Thread needs constant bumping b) I'm still clucking angry
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Eomar
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2008.08.27 12:36:00 -
[387]
Originally by: ApaKaka
Why would anyone even go to fanfest when their biggest fan and contributor gets a swift kick in the face for everything he's done for them? Imagine how little YOU mean to CCP in comparison?
Precisely, When they can do this to a well respected and almost universally admired community member, with no reason or justification, they can do it to anyone.
It ceases to be a persistent universe when your achivements are simply scrubbed out for no valid reason.
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Havok Dryke
The Scope
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Posted - 2008.08.27 12:36:00 -
[388]
Originally by: NilByMouth Replying again because: -
a) Thread needs constant bumping b) I'm still clucking angry
Reposting for the same reasons, and because I want to see how many posts a single thread can hold before it bursts rabid players all over CCP HQ.
With this thread, I think we`re finally going to find out. ---
Originally by: El'tar I WOULD WARRIOR FOR WOMAN BELONG TO ME
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Kuolematon Peelo
Sosanin ponukeittola
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Posted - 2008.08.27 12:37:00 -
[389]
Shit happens, maybe you should just taste some? |
Odda
Gallente Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2008.08.27 12:38:00 -
[390]
Almost 6 hours no CCP answer damn you people are slow over there! Chribba has done so much work for all of eve this is just stupid!
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Aerieva
Sky Net Industries Pure.
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Posted - 2008.08.27 12:38:00 -
[391]
Arbitrary, pointless move CCP. Why was this was on top of your list rather then the thousands of other issues that actually effect gameplay?
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Dionisius
Gallente Sincarnate Holding
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Posted - 2008.08.27 12:39:00 -
[392]
Originally by: Shintai Edited by: Shintai on 27/08/2008 12:15:54
Originally by: Dionisius
Originally by: Shintai
Originally by: Dionisius
Originally by: Stephen HB Keeping this alive as long as it takes, come on CCP how about some answers?
If CCP doesn't even answer to costumers that have their graphics cards getting fried due to a client malfunction , are you expecting they answer to this?
Only reason i would see them answering here would be to the fact that is Chribba starting the thread because other than that i don't even see them bothering to answer.
Good thing WAR is now only one month away from launch...
I¦m quite sure you have to blame nVidia/AMD for that. Specially their drivers and throttle in different games.
Anyway, somebody call the waaaaaahbulance.
Only problem in your assessment is that i already contacted Nvidia and tested stuff in other games, problem is 100% in EvE client.
Btw its, Nvidia / intel.
nVidia/AMD GRAPHICS CARDS! Also nVidia...perhaps you missed their faulty quality products. Even Dell had to extend warrenties. Seems the QA on the G9x chips and G84/G86 was not quite there.
Or some nVidia driver glitch actually did something like this: (Just ATI here due to fried/overheated cards aswell) Link
You really don't have a clue on what your talking about do you? The partnership is ATI/AMD.
And the problem here, the one i'm refering to, the one that is afecting both ATI and Nvidia cards is 100% EVE CLIENT RELATED! _____________________________________
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clone 1
Laughing Leprechauns Corporation
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Posted - 2008.08.27 12:40:00 -
[393]
A recent CCP slideshow
Very strange CCP behaviour.
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Arthur Frayn
V.O.F.L IRON CORE H E L I C O N
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Posted - 2008.08.27 12:41:00 -
[394]
The saddest part is that CCP staff have posted saying they appreciate the players making EVE their own, with all the little quirks that take the game beyond its own boundaries.
Yeah, like hell they do.
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ApaKaka
Lone Starr Corporation
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Posted - 2008.08.27 12:43:00 -
[395]
Originally by: Dionisius
You really don't have a clue on what your talking about do you? The partnership is ATI/AMD.
And the problem here, the one i'm refering to, the one that is afecting both ATI and Nvidia cards is 100% EVE CLIENT RELATED!
Nobody cares about your crappy gfx card. Get back ON TOPIC.
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Arthur Frayn
V.O.F.L IRON CORE H E L I C O N
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Posted - 2008.08.27 12:43:00 -
[396]
Originally by: clone 1 A recent CCP slideshow
Very strange CCP behaviour.
The ungrateful cocks.
-- Eventus stultorum magister. |
Shintai
Gallente Balad Naran Orbital Shipyards
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Posted - 2008.08.27 12:43:00 -
[397]
Originally by: Dionisius You really don't have a clue on what your talking about do you? The partnership is ATI/AMD.
And the problem here, the one i'm refering to, the one that is afecting both ATI and Nvidia cards is 100% EVE CLIENT RELATED!
Read the link I gave you again. And if nVidia and AMD(ATI) did their work correctly. You would never be able to fry your card. Oh no..I ran some software. Now my CPU and memory died..Oh bad software!... oh geez.
You win a darwin award.
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Abstraction and Transcendence: Nature, Shintai, and Geometry |
Asestorian
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.08.27 12:44:00 -
[398]
Edited by: Asestorian on 27/08/2008 12:45:00 CCP, I'm usually on your side. But this time it just makes no sense.
Edit: As for graphics cards. As far as I'm aware the only thing EVE can really do is make full use of your graphics card all the time. Should it do this? I don't know, but that in itself isn't a reason for the card to break. It might break like this if it doesn't have sufficient cooling though.
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Quote: EVE is unfair by design.
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Dionisius
Gallente Sincarnate Holding
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Posted - 2008.08.27 12:44:00 -
[399]
Originally by: ApaKaka
Originally by: Dionisius
You really don't have a clue on what your talking about do you? The partnership is ATI/AMD.
And the problem here, the one i'm refering to, the one that is afecting both ATI and Nvidia cards is 100% EVE CLIENT RELATED!
Nobody cares about your crappy gfx card. Get back ON TOPIC.
Then again nobody cares about what you have to say either, stfu! _____________________________________
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ChrissyDDD
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Posted - 2008.08.27 12:44:00 -
[400]
Originally by: clone 1 A recent CCP slideshow
Very strange CCP behaviour.
Bizarre.
WTB: CCP some competency
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Joss Sparq
Caldari ANZAC ALLIANCE Southern Cross Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.27 12:45:00 -
[401]
Originally by: Jones Maloy
Originally by: Joss Sparq CCP have completely lost their minds
total bullshit honestly
Orly?
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Arthur Frayn
V.O.F.L IRON CORE H E L I C O N
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Posted - 2008.08.27 12:48:00 -
[402]
Originally by: Joss Sparq
Originally by: Jones Maloy
Originally by: Joss Sparq CCP have completely lost their minds
total bullshit honestly
Orly?
Yarly!
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Andrea Griffin
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Posted - 2008.08.27 12:48:00 -
[403]
Extremely disappointing. I'm not normally one to criticize CCP, but this is truly a boneheaded move. The Veldnaught is a cultural icon in Eve. It is legendary, as is its pilot. It should be given special consideration here.
Besides. Chribba winked at me in local once, which, as you know, made my ship completely invincible until the next downtime, and every salvaged wreck gave me six alloyed tritanium bars.
I'm afraid to know what a Chribba scowl might do.
CCP had better move The Veldnaught back, because by now I'm certain that CCP's families have been cursed for a thousand and one generations.
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Dionisius
Gallente Sincarnate Holding
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Posted - 2008.08.27 12:52:00 -
[404]
Originally by: Shintai
Originally by: Dionisius You really don't have a clue on what your talking about do you? The partnership is ATI/AMD.
And the problem here, the one i'm refering to, the one that is afecting both ATI and Nvidia cards is 100% EVE CLIENT RELATED!
Read the link I gave you again. And if nVidia and AMD(ATI) did their work correctly. You would never be able to fry your card. Oh no..I ran some software. Now my CPU and memory died..Oh bad software!... oh geez.
You win a darwin award.
Jesus Crist... i'm not even bothering more with this due to 3 things.
First, as sorry as Chribba might feel for his dread, its just a dread moved to lowsec and if they move it to highsec , so should the other owners be entitled to have theirs moved back to their original places also.
Second, me and others already gave enough input in the correct thread for CCP hardware team to start moving their fat asses and actually do some testing of their own, the problem is 100 % EvE client.
Third, your slow, ur trolling and not worth it.
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Cpt Branko
Surge.
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Posted - 2008.08.27 12:53:00 -
[405]
Edited by: Cpt Branko on 27/08/2008 12:53:54 Wait, this is real? I have to say this is the single most idiotic change done by CCP.
The little quirks and loopholes (like old capitals staying in high-sec provided they're not in a combat role) give EvE character and history.
Removing that is not just nerfing particular players, it's nerfing the EvE experience. You're removing a icon, a monument. Just stupid really.
Originally by: Deva Blackfire stupid CCP is stupid
and veldnaught should remain in amarr - its icon FFS
This. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint |
Nivea Festous
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.08.27 12:53:00 -
[406]
I didn't pay for this service CCP. Stop doing shit your customers dont want/need. And for the love of god sack the idiots who keep coming up with these moronic changes.
If you want to make enemies, try to change something. ~Woodrow Wilson
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Mrsticks
Minmatar RNCGM Inc.
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Posted - 2008.08.27 12:55:00 -
[407]
WTH? Wish ida made the trip out there to see you Chribba Before CCP went ****** on you.. Hope this is a Missunderstanding and all the caps will be back in high sec soon. Come on What addvantage did it give any one to have one there? My understanding was that if you even Defended yourself it was gone.. The Ability to make them I understand, It sux but it makes since. This dosent.
Long Live TEXAS! Texans join the Texas channel in game plz.
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Glassback
Body Count Inc. The Requiem
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Posted - 2008.08.27 12:55:00 -
[408]
I'd like to see someone owning up and taking responsibility for this.
G.
LinkedIn
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Mistress Angelica
Amarr Rio Xingu
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Posted - 2008.08.27 12:56:00 -
[409]
Originally by: ChrissyDDD
Originally by: clone 1 A recent CCP slideshow
http://www.pimeys.net/~halen/eve2/images/_DSC0689.jpg
Very strange CCP behaviour.
dam im angry. CCP undo this or explane to all WTF you are playing at.
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Theo Samaritan
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2008.08.27 12:58:00 -
[410]
I'm pretty certain these may have been posted in here before when it comes to This Picture
Well thanks to LaVista in #eve-chaos for The Truth.
Also i have to note that none of the online CCP guys in #eve-chaos even knew about the move until I (and others after me) showed up and started poking people. #eve-chaos is the official singularity testing IRC btw.
I personally feel this stinks.
______________ New Eden Radio. Launching at 7pm EVE time on the 31st of August 2008. Be there.
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Drykor
Minmatar Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.08.27 12:59:00 -
[411]
Well I guess they ran out of bugs to fix.
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Kuolematon
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2008.08.27 13:00:00 -
[412]
THE NERD RAGE RAGES ON!!! WHOA!!
"The Amarr are the tanking and ganking floating rods of goldcrap"
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Joss Sparq
Caldari ANZAC ALLIANCE Southern Cross Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.27 13:00:00 -
[413]
Originally by: Dionisius
Originally by: Shintai
Originally by: Dionisius You really don't have a clue on what your talking about do you? The partnership is ATI/AMD.
And the problem here, the one i'm refering to, the one that is afecting both ATI and Nvidia cards is 100% EVE CLIENT RELATED!
Read the link I gave you again. And if nVidia and AMD(ATI) did their work correctly. You would never be able to fry your card. Oh no..I ran some software. Now my CPU and memory died..Oh bad software!... oh geez.
You win a darwin award.
Jesus Crist... i'm not even bothering more with this due to 3 things.
First, as sorry as Chribba might feel for his dread, its just a dread moved to lowsec and if they move it to highsec , so should the other owners be entitled to have theirs moved back to their original places also.
Second, me and others already gave enough input in the correct thread for CCP hardware team to start moving their fat asses and actually do some testing of their own, the problem is 100 % EvE client.
Third, your slow, ur trolling and not worth it.
Your post being number 404 is quite appropriate for the pair of you ...
In case you've missed it, even Chribba himself has pointed out that this isn't just about his Dread alone - there are other pilots who have been unfairly affected by this rubbish decision as well. Chribba is simply the easiest one to rally around on this issue.
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Evanade
Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.08.27 13:01:00 -
[414]
Originally by: Drykor Well I guess they ran out of bugs to fix.
quoting this for absurd humour sok alt - main got banzored |
Lady Fuyya
Minmatar Ever Flow HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2008.08.27 13:02:00 -
[415]
Bumpy bump.
Give Chribba the Veldnaught back.. Its an eve icon as Chribba is a legend..
Kamlesh is going to go ape**** over this one. He loveeess Chribba.
=.( Stop the nerfs. Ah joined eve because it was unique, a kick in **** when you died, the rush when you won. No instant respawn with your kit.
EVE is/was unique. Which one is ccp going to choose?
Pick the right one guys.
Fu o7
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Zalathar
Minmatar Stellar Research Incorporated DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2008.08.27 13:02:00 -
[416]
has anyone considered how much time and money Chribba has invested into promoting and improving the game and its entire community. running servers for a hosting site can't be very cheap, but all he has ever asked for is donations.
Chribba has invested his time and money to fix a broken part of the eve online site: its search function. anyone with a bit of knowlege of how the world works and wants to find a thread goes to eve search, not on CCP's page. Let me repeat, he fixes broken features by CCP for free, asking nothing for it.
Yes he does deserve recognition, and the veldnaught IS a monument. Even though CCP maybe can't treat him differently, they could at least have been more courteous/thoughtful, given him warning and allowed him to choose the system to which it was moved.
I hope someday to see the veldnaught in front of the Amarr station again. ~~~~~~ *mods, if you think i'm ugly please say "eeek!"* ~~~~~~ eeeeeekk - Deckard eeeeee...K -Darth Patches gawwwd damn!!1 -zhuge you soo pretty I think you're stunningly handsome and let me just say that you're wearing that dead parrot on your shoulder in a particularly dashing way today. -Hango Your using up all the space hango! - Timmeh |
Joss Sparq
Caldari ANZAC ALLIANCE Southern Cross Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.27 13:03:00 -
[417]
Originally by: CCP Navigator Pyramid quote removed. Navigator
Remember, duck & cover!
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Berand
The Scope
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Posted - 2008.08.27 13:03:00 -
[418]
I, for one, am glad CCP finally addressed all the complaints that were doubtless pouring in from all quarters about Chribba and his dread in high sec.
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Mistress Angelica
Amarr Rio Xingu
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Posted - 2008.08.27 13:04:00 -
[419]
Originally by: Joss Sparq
Originally by: CCP Navigator Pyramid quote removed. Navigator
Remember, duck & cover!
people at ccp can read then. reply to us
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Dionisius
Gallente Sincarnate Holding
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Posted - 2008.08.27 13:05:00 -
[420]
Originally by: Joss Sparq
Originally by: Dionisius
Originally by: Shintai
Originally by: Dionisius You really don't have a clue on what your talking about do you? The partnership is ATI/AMD.
And the problem here, the one i'm refering to, the one that is afecting both ATI and Nvidia cards is 100% EVE CLIENT RELATED!
Read the link I gave you again. And if nVidia and AMD(ATI) did their work correctly. You would never be able to fry your card. Oh no..I ran some software. Now my CPU and memory died..Oh bad software!... oh geez.
You win a darwin award.
Jesus Crist... i'm not even bothering more with this due to 3 things.
First, as sorry as Chribba might feel for his dread, its just a dread moved to lowsec and if they move it to highsec , so should the other owners be entitled to have theirs moved back to their original places also.
Second, me and others already gave enough input in the correct thread for CCP hardware team to start moving their fat asses and actually do some testing of their own, the problem is 100 % EvE client.
Third, your slow, ur trolling and not worth it.
Your post being number 404 is quite appropriate for the pair of you ...
In case you've missed it, even Chribba himself has pointed out that this isn't just about his Dread alone - there are other pilots who have been unfairly affected by this rubbish decision as well. Chribba is simply the easiest one to rally around on this issue.
And you actually read what i said? If Chribba gets his dread relocated, so should the other owners in equality spirit and only to have these beasts to serve as landmarks.
Thats what all i had to say regarding the Chribba problem, but then again, i seriously doubt that CCP will give tought to this, AND , in case they should it will only be due to the fact that, it was Chribba, now i have nothing against the man, but in case CCP does grant him this "small token" it shows that they run this game in a biased way and there is 1st and 3rd rate costumers, wich is a bit sad in case its true.
So lets await and see if some red or blue responds to what Chribba is asking. _____________________________________
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Rubra
J. S. Bach In memoriam
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Posted - 2008.08.27 13:07:00 -
[421]
I miss Devchats on IRC from the days of olde.
:(
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Joss Sparq
Caldari ANZAC ALLIANCE Southern Cross Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.27 13:09:00 -
[422]
Edited by: Joss Sparq on 27/08/2008 13:11:25
Originally by: Dionisius And you actually read what i said?
No, I'm obviously gifted with a knowledge of braille.
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Dotard
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2008.08.27 13:12:00 -
[423]
Don't know if it has been said already. 15 pages I could'nt be ars'ed to read.
But here it goes;
Chribba, can I have your stuff?
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Dihania
Gallente SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2008.08.27 13:13:00 -
[424]
Why does the guy above me have 2 sigs ?
[hrhr]
Sniggwaffe is recruiting. Visit channel "join sniggwaffe" in game.
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Tom Perrish
Mystic Lion Hearts Sev3rance
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Posted - 2008.08.27 13:14:00 -
[425]
hey Navigator you are here and cleaning this threat so you reading.. plz woke up some of the idiots in iceland.. thx
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clone 1
Laughing Leprechauns Corporation
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Posted - 2008.08.27 13:15:00 -
[426]
Cowards.
That is all.
-------------------------------------------------- The Angels Have the Phone Box |
N1fty
Amarr Galactic Shipyards Inc HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2008.08.27 13:15:00 -
[427]
I hope this is the first ever Chribba troll.
However its sadly more believeable that CCP would remove pieces of player created lore than Chribba would ever troll.
So much for the sandbox.
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Nepech Al'akir
Amarr Ministry of War
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Posted - 2008.08.27 13:16:00 -
[428]
What the **** is up with CCP for this decision..
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Korinn
The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.08.27 13:17:00 -
[429]
Originally by: N1fty I hope this is the first ever Chribba troll.
However its sadly more believeable that CCP would remove pieces of player created lore than Chribba would ever troll.
So much for the sandbox.
It's like a sandbox where the owner lets his dog shit in the sand before his kids go outside to play in it
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Shanur
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.08.27 13:18:00 -
[430]
Why? What possible gain could CCP hope to get to improve the game by removing the veldnaught, which apart from its landmark status did nothing more than harvest the local veldspar asteroids, which a hulk would have done much more efficiently?
CCP, unless you only did this to solve lag by seriously pruning EVE's playerbase, i am extremely curious to know the global benefits to us as players for this decission. I pray it was nothing more than a blunder by a newly hired GM which will be reversed promptly.
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Sir Substance
Minmatar Sunspot Requisitions Worlds End Consortium
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Posted - 2008.08.27 13:18:00 -
[431]
you know what, im gonna flesh out my rage at this.
Chribba > CCP.
people who have never heard of the company or the game, let alone the names of you devs, know about Chribba.
he works tirelessly to improve eve, and he doesnt get paid for it. hell, he pays for it. he gives you, his ISP and various other people money JUST so he can contribute.
he flys an icon (which you ahve now killed), provides valuable services mediating the sale of supercapitals, runs at least two services you have notably failed to fix in one case and provide in the other.
Chirbba represents the EVE community. i would trust Chribba to represent my interests in the game to you, without even telling him what they are. what you ahve done is an offense to the man. if you offend him, you offend us all. there is an entire playerbase out there that, though they might never have met him, trust Chribba implicitly, and admire him unconditionally.
in the great walk that the company is taking, it has jus tput its foot on a landmine.
now, the landmine is being generous. its offering you a chance to take a step back, and walk around it. will you do that?
or will you just keep on walking the way you are? because i assure you, that landmine is loaded. - PvPers always say "GB2WoW". the message is that EVE is hard, and people just need to deal with it. wasn't it funny how when nano's started making it hard for *them*, that all went out the window? |
Ejderdisi
Caldari Body Count Inc. The Requiem
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Posted - 2008.08.27 13:19:00 -
[432]
Gıve back Veldnaught... IT is something to watch in awe for newcomers to eve. Even fun to see sight at high sec for old timers.
I never see it with my eyes but always found it very funny to have a dreadnaught there mining with lasers.
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Shanur
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.08.27 13:20:00 -
[433]
Originally by: N1fty I hope this is the first ever Chribba troll.
However its sadly more believeable that CCP would remove pieces of player created lore than Chribba would ever troll.
So much for the sandbox.
Indeed. It is far more likely that CCP screwed up bigtime than that someone whose entire career revolves around "the most trusted and respected player in all of EVE" would toss a lifetime of trust and reliability away for the cheap thrill of a troll.
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N1fty
Amarr Galactic Shipyards Inc HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2008.08.27 13:20:00 -
[434]
Originally by: Korinn
Originally by: N1fty
So much for the sandbox.
It's like a sandbox where the owner lets his dog shit in the sand before his kids go outside to play in it
Actually it's more like the kids are in straightjackets, and if they don't play with the toys the way they were supposed to then they get tazed.
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Muscaat
Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2008.08.27 13:21:00 -
[435]
I'd be really interested to know what's being said in the CCP offices right now...
Chribba, man and legend - sorry that someone at CCP decided to treat you like this.
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Case Kovaks
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2008.08.27 13:21:00 -
[436]
Reposting for epic truth:
Originally by: Devilish Ledoux
First they came for the suicide gankers and I didn't speak up because I didn't suicide gank
Then they came for the Veldnaught and I didn't speak up because I didn't have a Veldnaught.
Then they came for the Opux Luxury Yacht and I didn't speak up because I didn't have an Opux Luxury Yact.
Then they came for the T2 BPOs and I didn't speak up because I didnt' have a T2 BPO.
And then they came for me, and no one spoke up because they were all playing Warhammer Online.
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Korinn
The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.08.27 13:26:00 -
[437]
Originally by: Devilish Ledoux
First they came for the suicide gankers and I didn't speak up because I didn't suicide gank
Then they came for the Veldnaught and I didn't speak up because I didn't have a Veldnaught.
Then they came for the Opux Luxury Yacht and I didn't speak up because I didn't have an Opux Luxury Yact.
Then they came for the T2 BPOs and I didn't speak up because I didnt' have a T2 BPO.
And then they came for me, and no one spoke up because they were all playing Warhammer Online.
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Zey Nadar
Gallente Heavily Utilized Mechanic Mayhem Einherjar Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.27 13:26:00 -
[438]
Originally by: Gaia Thorn Edited by: Gaia Thorn on 27/08/2008 09:18:54
Originally by: Cyberman Mastermind
Originally by: Gaia Thorn CCP is just changing something that has been broken for a long time.
Care to elaborate how it is/was broken?
Capitals arent allowed in high sec but yet there are some !
It would be like letting loose the rifters with cruise missiles to roam about...
It just shouldnt be allowed.
Have CCP removed all T2 BPOs?
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ShardowRhino
Caldari Legion 0f The Damned
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Posted - 2008.08.27 13:27:00 -
[439]
Originally by: Mia Fatalis very few things ive seen on these forums have ever made me want to quit this game. nerfs here, boosts there, idiots a plenty. ive never seen the veldnought, never really had an interest in it really...but just seeing this thread is just so...disgusting. makes me want to just leave.
That CCP would do something this stupid, arbitrarily, doesnt give me hope for any future changes they may make.
maybe it is time to move on, eh?
HAHHAHAH, this thread is full of fail. Seriously why would you leave a game you were perfectly fine playing before seeing this thread about something you didnt give to shits about just minutes beforehand?
This thread is just halarious but i agree it does make me want to leave eve. Leave because of how crazy people get over one person's ship being moved to lowsec because ccp decided to make a change. Its sick to see people saying they wnat to leave because of something they never cared about in the first place. This change has no impact on your gaming experience. chriba isn't owed anything because he did pet projects on his own. you guys sucking up to him is more then what is deserved, no need to throw on sway over ccp's actions onto the pile.
Is everyone going to **** and moan just as hard when ccp nerfs something that effects another player that did a pet project on eve?
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Amy Wang
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Posted - 2008.08.27 13:29:00 -
[440]
Good to see that CCP are using their resources to "fix" absolutely non-issues instead of concentrating on taking on the gazillion of broken and unbalanced features that really should be addressed
With the no-combat rule in place who are these high-sec caps hurting?
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Sakura Nihil
Stimulus
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Posted - 2008.08.27 13:31:00 -
[441]
Originally by: Amy Wang Good to see that CCP are using their resources to "fix" absolutely non-issues instead of concentrating on taking on the gazillion of broken and unbalanced features that really should be addressed
Quoting this for truth.
So devs, how about getting around to important matters like, I don't know, sovereignty mechanics? Maybe more counters to reduce "the blob"?
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Korinn
The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.08.27 13:32:00 -
[442]
Originally by: ShardowRhino
HAHHAHAH, this thread is full of fail. Seriously why would you leave a game you were perfectly fine playing before seeing this thread about something you didnt give to shits about just minutes beforehand?
This thread is just halarious but i agree it does make me want to leave eve. Leave because of how crazy people get over one person's ship being moved to lowsec because ccp decided to make a change. Its sick to see people saying they wnat to leave because of something they never cared about in the first place. This change has no impact on your gaming experience. chriba isn't owed anything because he did pet projects on his own. you guys sucking up to him is more then what is deserved, no need to throw on sway over ccp's actions onto the pile.
Is everyone going to **** and moan just as hard when ccp nerfs something that effects another player that did a pet project on eve?
You really dont understand this, do you?
Btw, I bet chribba has put more time into doing things for eve than most of CCP's employees ever have..
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.08.27 13:32:00 -
[443]
Originally by: Durzel Edited by: Durzel on 27/08/2008 08:02:08 Whilst I know Chribba's Veldnaught was docile, how many of the other ones manufactured in high-sec weren't being abused? I'd be interested to see some statistics of how big a problem this actually is before forming an informed opinion about it.
As far as I was aware it is still possible to manufacture capitals in high-sec where there already exists a manufacturing POS (or however it works), perhaps the people who "paid billions for high-sec capitals" are the ones who have brought this rule change upon themselves?
*shrug* It's a shame really, but ultimately one man's benevolence with his capitals in high-sec shouldn't be a green card for more malicious high-sec capital owner antics, if indeed this was happening.
Read the thread? Beside the little fact that the capacity to build capital in high sec was removed 1 year ago, any capital in high sec that agressed (and from what I get, even fired back if agressed) any target would be moved to low sec with a warning/ban for the owner, depending on the violation.
So no, there wasn't the possibility for a "capitals in high sec exploit" there.
They could not even run missions or assign fighters, so no trouble on that side eiter.
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Reyold Bengali
Caldari Core Research Expedition New Eden Research
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Posted - 2008.08.27 13:33:00 -
[444]
Somebody slipped a controlled substance into the CCP water cooler, methinks. ------- Never argue with an idiot. They'll drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience. |
MinSebsis
Minmatar CyPhEr TeChNoLoGiEs EvE Consortium
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Posted - 2008.08.27 13:33:00 -
[445]
This is just wrong.
I thought CCP was diffrent guess not.
Like others I want to hear CCP's explination on this really un-needed change.
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Tom Perrish
Mystic Lion Hearts Sev3rance
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Posted - 2008.08.27 13:33:00 -
[446]
Edited by: Tom Perrish on 27/08/2008 13:34:25
Originally by: Zey Nadar
Quote: [stuff...]
Capitals arent allowed in high sec but yet there are some !
It would be like letting loose the rifters with cruise missiles to roam about...
It just shouldnt be allowed.
Have CCP removed all T2 BPOs?
Quoting for good point :)
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Rubra
J. S. Bach In memoriam
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Posted - 2008.08.27 13:33:00 -
[447]
It's great to see CCP tackle super important issues like carriers and dreads in empire instead of addressing freighters and exhumers in empire and, oh, static asteroid belts that coddle macroers.
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ApaKaka
Lone Starr Corporation
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Posted - 2008.08.27 13:34:00 -
[448]
Originally by: ShardowRhino
HAHHAHAH, this thread is full of fail. Seriously why would you leave a game you were perfectly fine playing before seeing this thread about something you didnt give to shits about just minutes beforehand?
This thread is just halarious but i agree it does make me want to leave eve. Leave because of how crazy people get over one person's ship being moved to lowsec because ccp decided to make a change. Its sick to see people saying they wnat to leave because of something they never cared about in the first place. This change has no impact on your gaming experience. chriba isn't owed anything because he did pet projects on his own. you guys sucking up to him is more then what is deserved, no need to throw on sway over ccp's actions onto the pile.
Is everyone going to **** and moan just as hard when ccp nerfs something that effects another player that did a pet project on eve?
No, I think it has more to do with CCP shitting in the face of the most prominent and respected fan of Eve, means that they regard the rest of us like little less than mildly amusing rat-droppings, and nothing we say or do matters to them.
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ShardowRhino
Caldari Legion 0f The Damned
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Posted - 2008.08.27 13:36:00 -
[449]
Originally by: Sir Substance you know what, im gonna flesh out my rage at this.
Chribba > CCP.
people who have never heard of the company or the game, let alone the names of you devs, know about Chribba.
he works tirelessly to improve eve, and he doesnt get paid for it. hell, he pays for it. he gives you, his ISP and various other people money JUST so he can contribute.
he flys an icon (which you ahve now killed), provides valuable services mediating the sale of supercapitals, runs at least two services you have notably failed to fix in one case and provide in the other.
Chirbba represents the EVE community. i would trust Chribba to represent my interests in the game to you, without even telling him what they are. what you ahve done is an offense to the man. if you offend him, you offend us all. there is an entire playerbase out there that, though they might never have met him, trust Chribba implicitly, and admire him unconditionally.
in the great walk that the company is taking, it has jus tput its foot on a landmine.
now, the landmine is being generous. its offering you a chance to take a step back, and walk around it. will you do that?
or will you just keep on walking the way you are? because i assure you, that landmine is loaded.
AHAHAHHAHA
wait, people that don't know about ccp or EVE some how knows about a guy that works on pet projects for a game no one knows about run by a company no one has heard of. tell me how that makes ANY sense at all!
People that don't know someone but some how fully trust him is a fool. Imagine in real life going around saying that even though you know nothing about him.
CHirba does not represent the community. Last I checked im part of the community and no one represents me but me. so please pull your head out of your butt and realize your being over dramatic.
seriously if this "landmine" goes off, can you all please contract me your stuffz? I expect more veldspar then i could ever imagine using.
again, you guys are emoraging over someone that did pet projects. Pet projects should never buy you sway with the company running a game. Its funny that in this game people love someone that people believe has say in what ccp does. Yet in another game such a person was loathed by the vast majority.
this landmine of yours is never going to go off. its to stupid to know when to actually go off so its clearly a dud.
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Areo Hotah
Paxton Industries Paxton Federation
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Posted - 2008.08.27 13:37:00 -
[450]
Originally by: ShardowRhino
HAHHAHAH, this thread is full of fail. Seriously why would you leave a game you were perfectly fine playing before seeing this thread about something you didnt give to shits about just minutes beforehand?
This thread is just halarious but i agree it does make me want to leave eve. Leave because of how crazy people get over one person's ship being moved to lowsec because ccp decided to make a change. Its sick to see people saying they wnat to leave because of something they never cared about in the first place. This change has no impact on your gaming experience. chriba isn't owed anything because he did pet projects on his own. you guys sucking up to him is more then what is deserved, no need to throw on sway over ccp's actions onto the pile.
Is everyone going to **** and moan just as hard when ccp nerfs something that effects another player that did a pet project on eve?
It isn't about affected by gaming experience or not, or favours CCP owns to a player; it's about CCP destroying player-made content in the game, just because it doesn't suit them.
It's what you tell noobs: "Capitals are not allowed in hi-sec" vs "Capitals are not allowed in hi-sec. However, when first introduced, it was possible to built them there. CCP eventually removed this ability, and now capitals can only be built in 0.0 and low-sec. Some capitals were still in hi-sec at that time, and even fewer of these still remain. The most famous of these is Chribba's "Veldnaught". As you can't use them for combat, he uses it to mine veldspar in Amarr. Go there to check it out."
Areo
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Korinn
The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.08.27 13:37:00 -
[451]
I'm letting my accounts expire anyway but shit like this just enforces it, gg CCP v0v
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Smagd
Encina Technologies
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Posted - 2008.08.27 13:38:00 -
[452]
Originally by: Devilish Ledoux
First they came for the suicide gankers and I didn't speak up because I didn't suicide gank
Then they came for the Veldnaught and I didn't speak up because I didn't have a Veldnaught.
Then they came for the Opux Luxury Yacht and I didn't speak up because I didn't have an Opux Luxury Yact.
Then they came for the T2 BPOs and I didn't speak up because I didnt' have a T2 BPO.
And then they came for me, and no one spoke up because they were all playing Warhammer Online.
Wanted to do a repost myself. Also, I'm holding on to my molten snowballs.
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Anaalys Fluuterby
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.08.27 13:38:00 -
[453]
I haven't minded any nerf CCP has ever done, and liked a lot of them. But if this is true (and I don't see why Chribba would post otherwise) it truely sucks
I made several trips to Amarr to see the Veldnaught and know many others that have too when they were new. Logging into SISI to see one just isn't the same thing. -------------------------------------------------
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Not it isn't, people should be encouraged to get out in low sec space, but never forced to do so.
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Beardponderer
You're Doing It Wrong
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Posted - 2008.08.27 13:39:00 -
[454]
Originally by: Smagd
Originally by: Devilish Ledoux
First they came for the suicide gankers and I didn't speak up because I didn't suicide gank
Then they came for the Veldnaught and I didn't speak up because I didn't have a Veldnaught.
Then they came for the Opux Luxury Yacht and I didn't speak up because I didn't have an Opux Luxury Yact.
Then they came for the T2 BPOs and I didn't speak up because I didnt' have a T2 BPO.
And then they came for me, and no one spoke up because they were all playing Warhammer Online.
Wanted to do a repost myself. Also, I'm holding on to my molten snowballs.
Ahhh snowballs. Reminds me good ol' days.
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Kage Getsu
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
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Posted - 2008.08.27 13:42:00 -
[455]
This is the biggest collection of sycophants I've ever seen. Most of you wouldn't care if anyone other than your precious Chribba was affected! _________________________________________________________
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Face Palmer
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.08.27 13:42:00 -
[456]
OMG they killed the Veldnaught?!
Well I suppose seeing as Chribba is such a scammer and griefer and of absolutely no use to the Eve community, this is what he deserves.
What a sad sad day, CCP what have you become?
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Korinn
The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.08.27 13:46:00 -
[457]
Originally by: Kage Getsu This is the biggest collection of sycophants I've ever seen. Most of you wouldn't care if anyone other than your precious Chribba was affected!
I care when the game I've paid for for almost 4 years gets shat on by a bunch of idiots who seem to be intent on killing it so they can move onto their new mmo ASAP..
If chribba, who's invested years of non-playtime into the game community for little to no gain himself can be shat upon from such a great height, then you can see what CCP think of the average player handing over their $15 a month per account.
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Smagd
Encina Technologies
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Posted - 2008.08.27 13:48:00 -
[458]
Originally by: Kage Getsu This is the biggest collection of sycophants I've ever seen. Most of you wouldn't care if anyone other than your precious Chribba was affected!
Wrong. I still would.
I love things that make EVE different from just any other game, and players producing artifacts like these, and their own renown, that is what makes a MMORPG.
It's about actually being able to talk to these guys, as opposed to say a TV star.
Chribba is not the only VIP: Search for INNOMINATE NIGHTMARE.
And this is not about just High Sec Capitals.
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Seventoo Offcolour
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Posted - 2008.08.27 13:48:00 -
[459]
I, as a suddenly noob pilot have seen this special ship in Amarr space.
As a Ninja, as a newby Pilot, as a trader of thieved Items, if i had to trust ANYONE from now within an hour to deliver my money to get me an Item, thats Chribba.
Suddenly Ninjas approve of Veldnaught !
Ha ha, You no mess with Lo Wang!
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Drebble
Gallente North Star Networks Black Hand.
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Posted - 2008.08.27 13:49:00 -
[460]
Originally by: ShardowRhino
AHAHAHHAHA
wait, people that don't know about ccp or EVE some how knows about a guy that works on pet projects for a game no one knows about run by a company no one has heard of. tell me how that makes ANY sense at all!
People that don't know someone but some how fully trust him is a fool. Imagine in real life going around saying that even though you know nothing about him.
CHirba does not represent the community. Last I checked im part of the community and no one represents me but me. so please pull your head out of your butt and realize your being over dramatic.
seriously if this "landmine" goes off, can you all please contract me your stuffz? I expect more veldspar then i could ever imagine using.
again, you guys are emoraging over someone that did pet projects. Pet projects should never buy you sway with the company running a game. Its funny that in this game people love someone that people believe has say in what ccp does. Yet in another game such a person was loathed by the vast majority.
this landmine of yours is never going to go off. its to stupid to know when to actually go off so its clearly a dud.
Stupid Troll is stupid.
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Sakura Nihil
Stimulus
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Posted - 2008.08.27 13:49:00 -
[461]
Originally by: Devilish Ledoux
First they came for the suicide gankers and I didn't speak up because I didn't suicide gank
Then they came for the Veldnaught and I didn't speak up because I didn't have a Veldnaught.
Then they came for the Opux Luxury Yacht and I didn't speak up because I didn't have an Opux Luxury Yact.
Then they came for the T2 BPOs and I didn't speak up because I didnt' have a T2 BPO.
And then they came for me, and no one spoke up because they were all playing Warhammer Online.
This is arguably one of the best things I've read on the forums, regarding the current nerfing spree CCP is on.
You know, I used to be proud of the devs, thrilled I was playing a game that was different (and superior) to WoW and all of its clones. A place where the majority of the population weren't asshats and carebears that whined for the game to be changed to suit their purposes.
I miss those days, and those devs. EVE might be becoming more mainstream and popular, but at what cost? Removing the Alliance Tournament, nerfing nanos, destroying the viability of suicide gankers that penalized the stupid? Overlooking balances to blobs and sovereignty in favor of, of this?
I'll keep this simple. I already know people cancelling their accounts due to the myopic changes that have been occurring over the last few months and the seeming lack of focus and vision the devs have been showing to this game. Keep it up, and it'll only increase the rate of veterans leaving, some of your most valuable players...
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Rhaegor Stormborn
Pestilent Industries Amalgamated
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Posted - 2008.08.27 13:52:00 -
[462]
You know the state of the development team is in a bad state when people like Chribba are posting complaints.
God I miss the old days of Eve, and the old devs.
Rhaegor Stormborn Fleet Admiral - Pestilent Industries Amalgamated |
Kage Getsu
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
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Posted - 2008.08.27 13:52:00 -
[463]
Originally by: Smagd
Chribba is not the only VIP: Search for INNOMINATE NIGHTMARE.
Oh lordy, not a guy with an all-caps name! _________________________________________________________
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Semkhet
Spartan Industries
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Posted - 2008.08.27 13:53:00 -
[464]
Edited by: Semkhet on 27/08/2008 13:53:30
Originally by: ShardowRhino
wait, people that don't know about ccp or EVE some how knows about a guy that works on pet projects for a game no one knows about run by a company no one has heard of. tell me how that makes ANY sense at all!
People that don't know someone but some how fully trust him is a fool. Imagine in real life going around saying that even though you know nothing about him.
CHirba does not represent the community. Last I checked im part of the community and no one represents me but me. so please pull your head out of your butt and realize your being over dramatic.
seriously if this "landmine" goes off, can you all please contract me your stuffz? I expect more veldspar then i could ever imagine using.
again, you guys are emoraging over someone that did pet projects. Pet projects should never buy you sway with the company running a game. Its funny that in this game people love someone that people believe has say in what ccp does. Yet in another game such a person was loathed by the vast majority.
this landmine of yours is never going to go off. its to stupid to know when to actually go off so its clearly a dud.
Every thread needs his a-hole, so it's cool you're willing to take that position to stir the pot. However you should attempt to hold your standards above kindergarten levels, like for example being able to spell a 7-letters name correctly: it's Chribba, not CHirba...
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Korinn
The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.08.27 13:53:00 -
[465]
Originally by: Sakura Nihil Keep it up, and it'll only increase the rate of veterans leaving, some of your most valuable players...
Except theres thousands of newbie ***gots clogging up highsec paying their $15 for every vet that leaves, so CCP dont give a shit!
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Scagga Laebetrovo
Ammatar Free Corps
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Posted - 2008.08.27 13:54:00 -
[466]
lol epeen itt
San Matari Official forums |
Scagga Laebetrovo
Ammatar Free Corps
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Posted - 2008.08.27 13:54:00 -
[467]
Originally by: Korinn
Originally by: Sakura Nihil Keep it up, and it'll only increase the rate of veterans leaving, some of your most valuable players...
Except theres thousands of newbie ***gots clogging up highsec paying their $15 for every vet that leaves, so CCP dont give a shit!
Let more vets leave. Those that can get over these baseless emo rages will inherit your riches.
San Matari Official forums |
Korinn
The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.08.27 13:56:00 -
[468]
Edited by: Korinn on 27/08/2008 13:58:37 Edited by: Korinn on 27/08/2008 13:56:38
Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo
Originally by: Korinn
Originally by: Sakura Nihil Keep it up, and it'll only increase the rate of veterans leaving, some of your most valuable players...
Except theres thousands of newbie ***gots clogging up highsec paying their $15 for every vet that leaves, so CCP dont give a shit!
Let more vets leave. Those that can get over these baseless emo rages will inherit your riches.
I'm taking mine with me thanks.
There's baseless emo rages and then theres people having enough of stupid dev decisions CCCP have been making for the better part of the last year and ignoring pretty much any input the community brings to the table on the forums because, I guess, CCCP don't see the forums as an accurate representation of their subscriber base. Or something.
I have a feeling that what CCCP do is make an announcement, and then block the forums for all CCCP employees aside from the forum mods for 2 or 3 weeks because they know that the EVE community has ADD and will have forgotten about it in half a month...
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Scagga Laebetrovo
Ammatar Free Corps
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Posted - 2008.08.27 13:58:00 -
[469]
Originally by: Korinn
I'm taking mine with me thanks.
There's baseless emo rages and then theres people having enough of stupid dev decisions CCCP have been making for the better part of the last year and ignoring pretty much any input the community brings to the table on the forums because, I guess, CCCP don't see the forums as an accurate representation of their subscriber base. Or something.
This game hasn't got enough space for all the vet egos.
The forums are not an accurate representation of the subscriber base, just the noisy ones.
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Rubra
J. S. Bach In memoriam
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Posted - 2008.08.27 14:00:00 -
[470]
Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo
This game hasn't got enough space for all the vet egos.
The forums are not an accurate representation of the subscriber base, just the noisy ones.
That's because the people who don't complain are the ones who are farming level 4s or never leaving high-sec, thus the people who don't really care about playing EVE to its fullest and prefer to WOWify the game.
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Trade oholic
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Posted - 2008.08.27 14:00:00 -
[471]
WTB Dev Comment
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2008.08.27 14:01:00 -
[472]
IVE BEEN SAYING FOR MANY MONTHS NOW AND NOBODY IS LISTENING
There is currently an evil force in ascension at CCP HQ. The bizarre decision making over the past 8 or 9 months, coupled with the incredibly low profile "moving on" of old guard EVE devs, and an incredibly BRAZEN GLUT of unreal propaganda that was so see through you could fire a pea through it has hinted at this. Now we have further evidence in this thread.
The player base must rise up and confront them
SKUNK
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Scagga Laebetrovo
Ammatar Free Corps
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Posted - 2008.08.27 14:02:00 -
[473]
Originally by: Rubra
Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo
This game hasn't got enough space for all the vet egos.
The forums are not an accurate representation of the subscriber base, just the noisy ones.
That's because the people who don't complain are the ones who are farming level 4s or never leaving high-sec, thus the people who don't really care about playing EVE to its fullest and prefer to WOWify the game.
Thanks for your researched comment mate! Don't trip up on the intelligence threshold on your way out!
San Matari Official forums |
Kage Getsu
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
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Posted - 2008.08.27 14:02:00 -
[474]
Edited by: Kage Getsu on 27/08/2008 14:03:50
Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo
This game hasn't got enough space for all the vet egos.
The forums are not an accurate representation of the subscriber base, just the noisy ones.
He's right. This game is full of arrogant screwheads who only ever post "LOOK AT ME! LOOK AT ME!" like Chribba in this here thread. _________________________________________________________
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Korinn
The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.08.27 14:03:00 -
[475]
Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo
The forums are not an accurate representation of the subscriber base, just the noisy ones.
It's the best feedback that CCP are ever going to have even if it isn't an accurate representation of the subscriber base because they have NOTHING else in place to gain feedback (the CSM does not count here because LOL its on the forums).
You may think this is ego; it is not, it is simply having a lot of time (and money) invested in a game that many people feel is being destroyed by poor development choices and a seeming change of direction towards a game that none of us subscribed to.
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Mrsticks
Minmatar RNCGM Inc.
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Posted - 2008.08.27 14:03:00 -
[476]
Originally by: Le Skunk IVE BEEN SAYING FOR MANY MONTHS NOW AND NOBODY IS LISTENING
There is currently an evil force in ascension at CCP HQ. The bizarre decision making over the past 8 or 9 months, coupled with the incredibly low profile "moving on" of old guard EVE devs, and an incredibly BRAZEN GLUT of unreal propaganda that was so see through you could fire a pea through it has hinted at this. Now we have further evidence in this thread.
The player base must rise up and confront them
SKUNK
*Grabs Tinfoial Hatz and Gold bat and falls inline Behind Le Skunk*
Long Live TEXAS! Texans join the Texas channel in game plz.
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Scagga Laebetrovo
Ammatar Free Corps
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Posted - 2008.08.27 14:03:00 -
[477]
Originally by: Le Skunk
The player base must rise up and confront them
SKUNK
Yes, let's see if we can kill a single polaris frig!
Or, if they all emoragequit, can I have their space?
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Felysta Sandorn
Celestial Apocalypse The Requiem
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Posted - 2008.08.27 14:05:00 -
[478]
I agree with Chribba, because he's done more for the EVE community than CCP.
The day CCP fund EVE-Files out of their own pockets, I'll listen to them over Chribba. Until that day, Chribba rules over CCP.
.: A Vagabond's Requiem (Blog) :.
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Korinn
The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.08.27 14:05:00 -
[479]
Originally by: Kage Getsu No, he's right. This game is full of arrogant screwheads who only ever post "LOOK AT ME! LOOK AT ME!" like Chribba in this here thread.
You ever wonder why people respect Chribba? Because he's actually provided something that CCP themselves were unable to provide and STILL incapable of; he EARNED respect, which is much more than can be said about you, me and 90% of the devs now working at CCP.
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Smagd
Encina Technologies
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Posted - 2008.08.27 14:06:00 -
[480]
Edited by: Smagd on 27/08/2008 14:06:19
Originally by: Kage Getsu
Originally by: Smagd
Chribba is not the only VIP: Search for INNOMINATE NIGHTMARE.
Oh lordy, not a guy with an all-caps name!
Now compare your cheap snipe with The 0.0 Experiment in 2006.
His writing was in fact so epic it took people 4 pages to come up with a much more friendly "Oh, and sorry your caps key was stuck when creating that char. That must suck."
This is why INNOMINATE was legend.
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Rachag
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Posted - 2008.08.27 14:06:00 -
[481]
Chriba`s ship getting nerfed is just another step in a long line of banality.
not related to this latest mess but my three accounts run out next month and then that will be me finished with this place and i cant say i`m unhappy to leave either... no whine, no tirade, just no accounts...... three years has been more than enough.
p.s. whatever stuff i have gets to rot in my accounts till they get deleted.
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Somealt Ofmine
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Posted - 2008.08.27 14:06:00 -
[482]
To Chribba: Sorry for your loss, bud. I'm sure the legend of the Veldnaught will live on for years, though, as long as someone is still playing who saw it.
To the rest: A grip. Get one?
The "I'm quitting and I know an army of un-named people who are quitting" posts are wearing pretty thin.
Here's a little clue for you: Every MMO in the history of MMOs that have player forums have the same phenom of 28 page emo threads every time something in the game changes. Every. Single. One.
There is damn near no change that CCP could make to this game that wouldn't cause someone and all of their friends to quit. Which makes the Eve community no different from the EQ community, or the WoW community, or any other MMO community in that regard.
This particular change is pointless. It is also impactless. Sucks for Chribba, and I feel for him. If his "claim to fame" is the reason he plays, he'll probably quit. Doesn't impact me, or anyone else posting here, at all.
To CCP:
I hope you had a good-faith reason for making this move. Maybe you know of an upcomming change that would give caps in high-sec an unfair advantage that we don't know about. If not, I wish you'd have used the time you spent on this to do something that actually effects someone's game play other than Chribba's.
Beyond that, it's your game. You pay the bills, and take the risks. I hope you make changes to it based on your good-faith perception of what would be good for the game. I also hope you give some weight to people actually leaving, and absolutely no weight at all to those who threaten to.
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Scagga Laebetrovo
Ammatar Free Corps
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Posted - 2008.08.27 14:07:00 -
[483]
Originally by: Korinn
Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo
The forums are not an accurate representation of the subscriber base, just the noisy ones.
It's the best feedback that CCP are ever going to have even if it isn't an accurate representation of the subscriber base because they have NOTHING else in place to gain feedback (the CSM does not count here because LOL its on the forums).
Really, you think they have nothing else in place to gain feedback? Are you working for CCP or something or are you here to spread rumours?
Quote: You may think this is ego; it is not, it is simply having a lot of time (and money) invested in a game that many people feel is being destroyed by poor development choices and a seeming change of direction towards a game that none of us subscribed to.
I don't see how not being able to have a dreadnought in high sec is going to ruin an EVE experience. Dreads aren't supposed to be in high sec, deal with it. They don't siege stuff in high sec, anything they "could" be used for can be done better with something else. It's petty sentimentality, ego, greed.
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NickSuccorso
Arcana Imperii Ltd. Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.27 14:09:00 -
[484]
Quote: If chribba, who's invested years of non-playtime into the game community for little to no gain himself can be shat upon from such a great height, then you can see what CCP think of the average player handing over their $15 a month per account.
Chribba isn't a more important player than anyone else in the community. He pays for his accounts, you pay for yours. I'm sure he tells his friends about Eve, just like I'm sure you do yours. We're all just players, regardless of what outside projects we engage in. Now, he's won some trophies and has a legion of followers in this community for all his work and investment in Eve related projects. Do you really think his needs outweight those of the "average" player, or even the vision for Eve that the developers have? If anyone seriously thinks they do, you need to give your head a serious shake. If I'm wrong, and this is just a case of CCP ****ing shit up, I'll eat my hat, but this thread is so serious and hysterical that I'd swear it was a mass troll.
It is a troll right? Right? I'm ok with finding out it's a troll after making a serious reply here. Just tell me. Cuz this is pretty silly, in the grand scheme of things.
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Shadowsword
COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2008.08.27 14:09:00 -
[485]
I didn't read past the second page, but I find the timing of this peculiar...
Could this have something to do with that hammerfail idiot that tried to gank the Veldnaught?
See his thread here: I will pod Chribba (failed, Will come back with greater forces)
Is this CCP's response to, say...a petition whining about not failing to gank a Chribba? ------------------------------------------
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Kage Getsu
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
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Posted - 2008.08.27 14:09:00 -
[486]
Originally by: Korinn
You ever wonder why people respect Chribba? Because he's actually provided something that CCP themselves were unable to provide and STILL incapable of; he EARNED respect, which is much more than can be said about you, me and 90% of the devs now working at CCP.
That attitude is why this game has degenerated into ego stroking and ****waving. I've never seen a bigger collection of overfed egos and self-entitled people than this game's playerbase. _________________________________________________________
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ZaKma
Body Count Inc. The Requiem
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Posted - 2008.08.27 14:10:00 -
[487]
What the hell CCP? Why?
When I started playing, I got a convo from a GM asking me how I liked the game and wishing me all the best. EVE is not what it once was. Slowly but surely we're drowning in the sea of all the other MMO's and CCP doesn't have the strength nor will to stand by something they've said in the past. What a shame.
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Kai DeathCutter
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Posted - 2008.08.27 14:10:00 -
[488]
Chribba, you get my vote of appreciation.
Dunno who's steering the CCP ship atm, but its been going way off course for a while it seems. This is just totally indicative of that fact :(
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Kyguard
Game-Over
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Posted - 2008.08.27 14:10:00 -
[489]
Pretty sad,
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Scagga Laebetrovo
Ammatar Free Corps
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Posted - 2008.08.27 14:12:00 -
[490]
Originally by: NickSuccorso
Quote: If chribba, who's invested years of non-playtime into the game community for little to no gain himself can be shat upon from such a great height, then you can see what CCP think of the average player handing over their $15 a month per account.
Chribba isn't a more important player than anyone else in the community. He pays for his accounts, you pay for yours. I'm sure he tells his friends about Eve, just like I'm sure you do yours. We're all just players, regardless of what outside projects we engage in. Now, he's won some trophies and has a legion of followers in this community for all his work and investment in Eve related projects. Do you really think his needs outweight those of the "average" player, or even the vision for Eve that the developers have? If anyone seriously thinks they do, you need to give your head a serious shake. If I'm wrong, and this is just a case of CCP ****ing shit up, I'll eat my hat, but this thread is so serious and hysterical that I'd swear it was a mass troll.
QFT.
An account is an account, whoever pays for it!
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Korinn
The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.08.27 14:14:00 -
[491]
Originally by: Kage Getsu
Originally by: Korinn
You ever wonder why people respect Chribba? Because he's actually provided something that CCP themselves were unable to provide and STILL incapable of; he EARNED respect, which is much more than can be said about you, me and 90% of the devs now working at CCP.
That attitude is why this game has degenerated into ego stroking and ****waving. I've never seen a bigger collection of overfed egos and self-entitled people than this game's playerbase.
The game has always been ego stroking and ****waving, we have an entire forum dedicated to it
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Kage Getsu
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
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Posted - 2008.08.27 14:15:00 -
[492]
Originally by: Korinn
The game has always been ego stroking and ****waving, we have an entire forum dedicated to it
It's even worse now that people are acting as if CCP owes them something other than a month of playtime for their 15 bucks a month. If the game is so bad then stop paying them! Go play a game that is more in line with what you really want to play and leave the rest of us to a game that we actually enjoy! _________________________________________________________
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ShardowRhino
Caldari Legion 0f The Damned
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Posted - 2008.08.27 14:15:00 -
[493]
Originally by: Kage Getsu This is the biggest collection of sycophants I've ever seen. Most of you wouldn't care if anyone other than your precious Chribba was affected!
This!! ^^^^^^^^^
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Scagga Laebetrovo
Ammatar Free Corps
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Posted - 2008.08.27 14:16:00 -
[494]
Originally by: Korinn
Originally by: Kage Getsu
Originally by: Korinn
You ever wonder why people respect Chribba? Because he's actually provided something that CCP themselves were unable to provide and STILL incapable of; he EARNED respect, which is much more than can be said about you, me and 90% of the devs now working at CCP.
That attitude is why this game has degenerated into ego stroking and ****waving. I've never seen a bigger collection of overfed egos and self-entitled people than this game's playerbase.
The game has always been ego stroking and ****waving, we have an entire forum dedicated to it
So, back to our old point, why should CCP pay any attention to the forums?
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Semkhet
Spartan Industries
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Posted - 2008.08.27 14:16:00 -
[495]
Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo
Originally by: Le Skunk
The player base must rise up and confront them
SKUNK
Yes, let's see if we can kill a single polaris frig!
Or, if they all emoragequit, can I have their space?
You fail to realize that CCP is a money making venture, and as such, like every other entity of this kind, is vulnerable to an organized consumer movement. There is no problem bending commercial entities, you just have to hit where it hurts the most: their wallet.
For example, if EVE's vets would decide to suspend their subs for a month as protest, we are not talking about a trivial sum since they all run multiple accounts.
Besides, the average stay of a character in EvE is 6 months IIRC. So it's the vets which compose the skeleton of the dedicated player base CCP has been able to count on since their prime time. From a management perspective, only a fool would take the risk to alienate the very people which has allowed CCP to get where they are now.
But maybe you'll understand all that the day it's not your parents who are paying the sub
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Shigsy
The Golden Goat
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Posted - 2008.08.27 14:16:00 -
[496]
Quote:
First they came for the suicide gankers and I didn't speak up because I didn't suicide gank
Then they came for the Veldnaught and I didn't speak up because I didn't have a Veldnaught.
Then they came for the Opux Luxury Yacht and I didn't speak up because I didn't have an Opux Luxury Yact.
Then they came for the T2 BPOs and I didn't speak up because I didnt' have a T2 BPO.
And then they came for me, and no one spoke up because they were all playing Warhammer Online.
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The Terrorist
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Posted - 2008.08.27 14:17:00 -
[497]
Hey Chribba, Me got a friend with a Ultima Online Tattoo on da arm from the early daze back than. He got slept in da phase back then just as you now slept by ccccp so me thinks to know how ya feel a little. Butt ma friend survived after some treatment u know. So eye hope at list they give ya a free orca. Chin up dude ! |
Flash Bombardo
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Posted - 2008.08.27 14:19:00 -
[498]
Originally by: Semkhet
But maybe you'll understand all that the day it's not your parents who are paying the sub
Wish my Mum would pay for it !
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Another Forum'Alt
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Posted - 2008.08.27 14:20:00 -
[499]
FFS, why are CCP making such random, stupid, pointless nerfs?
No, you can't have my stuff, a friend has already laid claim to it. Save EVE's most famous landmark: Linkage |
Scagga Laebetrovo
Ammatar Free Corps
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Posted - 2008.08.27 14:20:00 -
[500]
Originally by: Semkhet
You fail to realize that CCP is a money making venture, and as such, like every other entity of this kind, is vulnerable to an organized consumer movement. There is no problem bending commercial entities, you just have to hit where it hurts the most: their wallet.
For example, if EVE's vets would decide to suspend their subs for a month as protest, we are not talking about a trivial sum since they all run multiple accounts.
Hey, I agree with you. If they all decide to suspend their subs for a month....wait, pigs may fly! As much of a deliciously dangerous threat that is, I tell you sir, so long as 0.0. is worth holding, a sudden bank-breaking mass suspending of accounts will never happen! People don't want their space to go into the hands of people who can get over these ridiculous protests, and come back to find they're spaceless, moonless...etc.
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Mitchman
Omniscient Order Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.08.27 14:21:00 -
[501]
CCP is doing themselves a disservice. Sad.
Last video: Pride, Honor & Retribution
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ShardowRhino
Caldari Legion 0f The Damned
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Posted - 2008.08.27 14:22:00 -
[502]
Originally by: Drebble
Originally by: ShardowRhino
AHAHAHHAHA
wait, people that don't know about ccp or EVE some how knows about a guy that works on pet projects for a game no one knows about run by a company no one has heard of. tell me how that makes ANY sense at all!
People that don't know someone but some how fully trust him is a fool. Imagine in real life going around saying that even though you know nothing about him.
CHirba does not represent the community. Last I checked im part of the community and no one represents me but me. so please pull your head out of your butt and realize your being over dramatic.
seriously if this "landmine" goes off, can you all please contract me your stuffz? I expect more veldspar then i could ever imagine using.
again, you guys are emoraging over someone that did pet projects. Pet projects should never buy you sway with the company running a game. Its funny that in this game people love someone that people believe has say in what ccp does. Yet in another game such a person was loathed by the vast majority.
this landmine of yours is never going to go off. its to stupid to know when to actually go off so its clearly a dud.
Stupid Troll is stupid.
whiney **** sucker is whiney.
seriously this whole thread is pathetic. If you guys really think someone else that plays this game is so important that your going to leave the game because that 1 person was effected by a change, then you guys gotta unsub!! RIGHT now, no not when your sub conviently runs out, I mean RIGHT NOW!!
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Scagga Laebetrovo
Ammatar Free Corps
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Posted - 2008.08.27 14:23:00 -
[503]
Originally by: ShardowRhino
seriously this whole thread is pathetic. If you guys really think someone else that plays this game is so important that your going to leave the game because that 1 person was effected by a change, then you guys gotta unsub!! RIGHT now, no not when your sub conviently runs out, I mean RIGHT NOW!!
Agreed.
So much for coping with a 'harsh' mmo, eh?
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Sqalevon
M. Corp Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2008.08.27 14:25:00 -
[504]
Thumbs down CCP :( This disappoints.
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Korinn
The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.08.27 14:25:00 -
[505]
Originally by: ShardowRhino
seriously this whole thread is pathetic. If you guys really think someone else that plays this game is so important that your going to leave the game because that 1 person was effected by a change, then you guys gotta unsub!! RIGHT now, no not when your sub conviently runs out, I mean RIGHT NOW!!
You're pretty ****ing ******ed
It's not about chribbas veldnaught, its about CCCP and the fact the company seems to have a blind, deaf, dumb, ******ed paraplegic at the helm recently...
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Scagga Laebetrovo
Ammatar Free Corps
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Posted - 2008.08.27 14:27:00 -
[506]
Originally by: Korinn
Originally by: ShardowRhino
seriously this whole thread is pathetic. If you guys really think someone else that plays this game is so important that your going to leave the game because that 1 person was effected by a change, then you guys gotta unsub!! RIGHT now, no not when your sub conviently runs out, I mean RIGHT NOW!!
You're pretty ****ing ******ed
It's not about chribbas veldnaught, its about CCCP and the fact the company seems to have a blind, deaf, dumb, ******ed paraplegic at the helm recently...
I've seen much worse amongst the subscribers in this thread... "I had a read of the General discussion section. Part of my empathy to my fellow man died." |
Gentle Bra
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.08.27 14:27:00 -
[507]
Originally by: Kage Getsu
Originally by: Korinn
You ever wonder why people respect Chribba? Because he's actually provided something that CCP themselves were unable to provide and STILL incapable of; he EARNED respect, which is much more than can be said about you, me and 90% of the devs now working at CCP.
That attitude is why this game has degenerated into ego stroking and ****waving. I've never seen a bigger collection of overfed egos and self-entitled people than this game's playerbase.
Oh dear, someone has peen-envy.
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Kage Getsu
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
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Posted - 2008.08.27 14:27:00 -
[508]
Originally by: Korinn
You're pretty ****ing ******ed
It's not about chribbas veldnaught, its about CCCP and the fact the company seems to have a blind, deaf, dumb, ******ed paraplegic at the helm recently...
Then do us all a favour and stop paying that guy's paycheque. _________________________________________________________
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Love DNGD
Ministry of War
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Posted - 2008.08.27 14:27:00 -
[509]
SCORE!
About 2 weeks ago I sold my high-sec capital for a nice sum.
Bonus.
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Korinn
The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.08.27 14:28:00 -
[510]
Originally by: Kage Getsu
Originally by: Korinn
You're pretty ****ing ******ed
It's not about chribbas veldnaught, its about CCCP and the fact the company seems to have a blind, deaf, dumb, ******ed paraplegic at the helm recently...
Then do us all a favour and stop paying that guy's paycheque.
My accounts have been expiring for the last 2 and a bit months, I'll be out of your hair soon enough
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N1fty
Amarr Galactic Shipyards Inc HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2008.08.27 14:28:00 -
[511]
All those saying "Chribba is just another player" are wrong.
The fact that Chribba puts in huge amounts of time and money into the community as has been said.
But whats not been pointed out is that as he has shaped significant aspects of the community. Because of this theres almost a Chribba brand now and the Veldnaught was a part of that. That brand is collectively owned by the community, as an idea of whats good about Eve.
What I'm trying to say is that CCP didn't just remove a capital from highsec, they removed the communities flagship.
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Semkhet
Spartan Industries
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Posted - 2008.08.27 14:28:00 -
[512]
Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo
Originally by: Semkhet
You fail to realize that CCP is a money making venture, and as such, like every other entity of this kind, is vulnerable to an organized consumer movement. There is no problem bending commercial entities, you just have to hit where it hurts the most: their wallet.
For example, if EVE's vets would decide to suspend their subs for a month as protest, we are not talking about a trivial sum since they all run multiple accounts.
Hey, I agree with you. If they all decide to suspend their subs for a month....wait, pigs may fly! As much of a deliciously dangerous threat that is, I tell you sir, so long as 0.0. is worth holding, a sudden bank-breaking mass suspending of accounts will never happen! People don't want their space to go into the hands of people who can get over these ridiculous protests, and come back to find they're spaceless, moonless...etc.
You additionally fail to realize that power in EvE is also in the hand of vets, and beyond any kind of ingame animosity, all these vets remained in EvE for so long because the game fulfilled their vision of fun. So you shouldn't underestimate their resolution and focus.
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Taex
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Posted - 2008.08.27 14:30:00 -
[513]
Edited by: Taex on 27/08/2008 14:30:31 The man has Veldspar tattooed on his arm. I think that alone deserves a highsec mining dreadnought. Especially since he got it there before they were even restricted.
I mean, you're going to alienate Chribba? Seriously?
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Drebble
Gallente North Star Networks Black Hand.
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Posted - 2008.08.27 14:30:00 -
[514]
Originally by: ShardowRhino
seriously this whole thread is pathetic. If you guys really think someone else that plays this game is so important that your going to leave the game because that 1 person was effected by a change, then you guys gotta unsub!! RIGHT now, no not when your sub conviently runs out, I mean RIGHT NOW!!
Can I have your stuff?
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Scagga Laebetrovo
Ammatar Free Corps
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Posted - 2008.08.27 14:31:00 -
[515]
Edited by: Scagga Laebetrovo on 27/08/2008 14:31:31
Originally by: Semkhet
You additionally fail to realize that power in EvE is also in the hand of vets, and beyond any kind of ingame animosity, all these vets remained in EvE for so long because the game fulfilled their vision of fun. So you shouldn't underestimate their resolution and focus.
What power are you referring to?
- Subscriber base (about 30%?) Edit: I think it's less... - Owning some 0.0. pixels (which other people will be happy to take over) - Owning most of the T2 BPOs (which invention can compensate for)
Or is that simply because they have enjoyed Eve that they somehow are powerful? If their resolution is so great, their focus so clear, then why are they troubled by any of these petty changes? "I had a read of the General discussion section. Part of my empathy to my fellow man died." |
jatkot
Caldari North Star Networks Black Hand.
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Posted - 2008.08.27 14:31:00 -
[516]
Chribba is the most trusted player when its about help in transfers for big ships and other highmoneythings in this universe. And Chribba is known to be trusted. Dunno whos the new boss at CCP who wanna implement some new rules as a legacy from his/her period!??
You have my support Chribba!
Chribba for teh Wind!!
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Dsnakes
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2008.08.27 14:32:00 -
[517]
Completly useless, and unneed move. Now CCP correct your mistake and you might be forgiven
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Kage Getsu
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
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Posted - 2008.08.27 14:32:00 -
[518]
Originally by: N1fty All those saying "Chribba is just another player" are wrong.
The fact that Chribba puts in huge amounts of time and money into the community as has been said.
But whats not been pointed out is that as he has shaped significant aspects of the community. Because of this theres almost a Chribba brand now and the Veldnaught was a part of that. That brand is collectively owned by the community, as an idea of whats good about Eve.
What I'm trying to say is that CCP didn't just remove a capital from highsec, they removed the communities flagship.
Do you think you're going to earn points for such a pathetic display? Just asking. _________________________________________________________
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jatkot
Caldari North Star Networks Black Hand.
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Posted - 2008.08.27 14:32:00 -
[519]
Originally by: Drebble
Originally by: ShardowRhino
seriously this whole thread is pathetic. If you guys really think someone else that plays this game is so important that your going to leave the game because that 1 person was effected by a change, then you guys gotta unsub!! RIGHT now, no not when your sub conviently runs out, I mean RIGHT NOW!!
Can I have your stuff?
No, All base are belong to Chribb!!
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Drebble
Gallente North Star Networks Black Hand.
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Posted - 2008.08.27 14:34:00 -
[520]
Originally by: jatkot No, All base are belong to Chribb!!
But that sad rhino is emo-quitting because he doesnt have what it takes to get peoples respect. I want his stuff. Plees?
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ShardowRhino
Caldari Legion 0f The Damned
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Posted - 2008.08.27 14:34:00 -
[521]
Originally by: Semkhet Edited by: Semkhet on 27/08/2008 13:53:30
Originally by: ShardowRhino
wait, people that don't know about ccp or EVE some how knows about a guy that works on pet projects for a game no one knows about run by a company no one has heard of. tell me how that makes ANY sense at all!
People that don't know someone but some how fully trust him is a fool. Imagine in real life going around saying that even though you know nothing about him.
CHirba does not represent the community. Last I checked im part of the community and no one represents me but me. so please pull your head out of your butt and realize your being over dramatic.
seriously if this "landmine" goes off, can you all please contract me your stuffz? I expect more veldspar then i could ever imagine using.
again, you guys are emoraging over someone that did pet projects. Pet projects should never buy you sway with the company running a game. Its funny that in this game people love someone that people believe has say in what ccp does. Yet in another game such a person was loathed by the vast majority.
this landmine of yours is never going to go off. its to stupid to know when to actually go off so its clearly a dud.
Every thread needs his a-hole, so it's cool you're willing to take that position to stir the pot. However you should attempt to hold your standards above kindergarten levels, like for example being able to spell a 7-letters name correctly: it's Chribba, not CHirba...
hahahah, every thread need someone with an operational brain to smack some sense into you whiney ,pole riding,cry babies. I'm an A-hole, thats for sure, I get that title because I have this habit of trying to beat sense into fools that don't like the truth. Someone says something stupid, i beat some sense into them. SOmeone does something stupid, i beat some sense into them.
If you hammer away long enough eventually even the most stubborn moron will crack and admit that they are full of crap. They hate me for it because I made them realize just how stupid they sound and act.
as for the guy's name, unlike you guys that can't be arsed to get up off your knees before posting, I don't care about his name. I'm not going to get it tattooed due to this outrage. I'm never going to go on about how great the guy is. I'm never going to praise him as the EVE mesiah or any other crazy crap. So his name was misspelled, to bad, get over it just like his capital ship.
I'm not telling you guys what to do with your lips when you see chirpa again, thats your business. What I am saying is that you guys look like a bunch of idiots crying over someone you have given a godlike image in your minds. The way some of you guys go on, such as the guy I was initially quoting, probably ****s off to chirba's bio or has a chribra alter where he offers up rocks as sacrifice.
How about you guys stop whining and create a "save chirbra" alliance where you can protect your mesiah while he mines the veldspar? I gotta suggest that because anything that is logical will surely fly over your heads. Anything verging on cult like behavior however will make sense. hell i don't doubt a 1000 moron strong alliance comes out tommorrow with the goal of protecting chirrbra.
I know if that capital ship gets popped, I'll turn the KM post into a desktop background. But seriously, you guys are sick.....seriously disturbed and I don't mean about the change that got the ship moved.
I hear chirbraa will be serving up some cherry koolaid in the field at 12GMT.GO THERE, BE SAVED!!!!!!!
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Mel Dareia
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Posted - 2008.08.27 14:37:00 -
[522]
I think some misunderstand the problem. This is not about Chribba, but about a feature of Eve that provided quite a bit of harmless entertainment for many, especially newer players. Something special. One of the many small things that added character to the game
Seeing it deleted without a real reason is just...sad.
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ShardowRhino
Caldari Legion 0f The Damned
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Posted - 2008.08.27 14:39:00 -
[523]
Originally by: Drebble
Originally by: ShardowRhino
seriously this whole thread is pathetic. If you guys really think someone else that plays this game is so important that your going to leave the game because that 1 person was effected by a change, then you guys gotta unsub!! RIGHT now, no not when your sub conviently runs out, I mean RIGHT NOW!!
Can I have your stuff?
HAHAHAAAHAH, dude you quoted the wrong person. I'm lolling about the change and the crying that is going on over it.
I'm not leaving, hell CCP just made sure I'll stick around longer just so I can watch you guys cry for your veldspar mesiah.
But why would you ask for my stuff? you've already unsubbed ,right? Your confused, I know ,stupid but confused.
So again...
To all the "omg, save chirbraa" whiners, feel free to contract me all of your stuff. You won't be needing it as you unsub from eve and never return. Much like the veldnaught will never see another roid without being swarmed.
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Korinn
The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.08.27 14:39:00 -
[524]
Personal attack removed. Navigator
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Kage Getsu
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
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Posted - 2008.08.27 14:41:00 -
[525]
Reply to moderated post removed. Navigator _________________________________________________________
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Drebble
Gallente North Star Networks Black Hand.
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Posted - 2008.08.27 14:41:00 -
[526]
Originally by: ShardowRhino hahahah, every thread need someone with an operational brain to smack some sense into you whiney ,pole riding,cry babies. I'm an A-hole, thats for sure, I get that title because I have this habit of trying to beat sense into fools that don't like the truth. Someone says something stupid, i beat some sense into them. SOmeone does something stupid, i beat some sense into them.
If you hammer away long enough eventually even the most stubborn moron will crack and admit that they are full of crap. They hate me for it because I made them realize just how stupid they sound and act.
as for the guy's name, unlike you guys that can't be arsed to get up off your knees before posting, I don't care about his name. I'm not going to get it tattooed due to this outrage. I'm never going to go on about how great the guy is. I'm never going to praise him as the EVE mesiah or any other crazy crap. So his name was misspelled, to bad, get over it just like his capital ship.
I'm not telling you guys what to do with your lips when you see chirpa again, thats your business. What I am saying is that you guys look like a bunch of idiots crying over someone you have given a godlike image in your minds. The way some of you guys go on, such as the guy I was initially quoting, probably ****s off to chirba's bio or has a chribra alter where he offers up rocks as sacrifice.
How about you guys stop whining and create a "save chirbra" alliance where you can protect your mesiah while he mines the veldspar? I gotta suggest that because anything that is logical will surely fly over your heads. Anything verging on cult like behavior however will make sense. hell i don't doubt a 1000 moron strong alliance comes out tommorrow with the goal of protecting chirrbra. geg I know if that capital ship gets popped, I'll turn the KM post into a desktop background. But seriously, you guys are sick.....seriously disturbed and I don't mean about the change that got the ship moved.
I hear chirbraa will be serving up some cherry koolaid in the field at 12GMT.GO THERE, BE SAVED!!!!!!!
Your envious tears are delicious. You rage at people becausde your realise that you have nobodys respect, and when you see someone who is respected you want to tear them down just to fill the emptyness of being a nobody.
Go on, post more defense, but you know it is true. I say again, can I have your stuff when you emo-quit?
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Drunk Driver
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.08.27 14:42:00 -
[527]
This thread is silly.
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N1fty
Amarr Galactic Shipyards Inc HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2008.08.27 14:43:00 -
[528]
Originally by: Kage Getsu
Originally by: N1fty
What I'm trying to say is that CCP didn't just remove a capital from highsec, they removed the communities flagship.
Do you think you're going to earn points for such a pathetic display? Just asking.
If it helps to save a part of the community that I like. Yes.
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Scagga Laebetrovo
Ammatar Free Corps
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Posted - 2008.08.27 14:43:00 -
[529]
Originally by: Drebble
Originally by: ShardowRhino hahahah, every thread need someone with an operational brain to smack some sense into you whiney ,pole riding,cry babies. I'm an A-hole, thats for sure, I get that title because I have this habit of trying to beat sense into fools that don't like the truth. Someone says something stupid, i beat some sense into them. SOmeone does something stupid, i beat some sense into them.
If you hammer away long enough eventually even the most stubborn moron will crack and admit that they are full of crap. They hate me for it because I made them realize just how stupid they sound and act.
as for the guy's name, unlike you guys that can't be arsed to get up off your knees before posting, I don't care about his name. I'm not going to get it tattooed due to this outrage. I'm never going to go on about how great the guy is. I'm never going to praise him as the EVE mesiah or any other crazy crap. So his name was misspelled, to bad, get over it just like his capital ship.
I'm not telling you guys what to do with your lips when you see chirpa again, thats your business. What I am saying is that you guys look like a bunch of idiots crying over someone you have given a godlike image in your minds. The way some of you guys go on, such as the guy I was initially quoting, probably ****s off to chirba's bio or has a chribra alter where he offers up rocks as sacrifice.
How about you guys stop whining and create a "save chirbra" alliance where you can protect your mesiah while he mines the veldspar? I gotta suggest that because anything that is logical will surely fly over your heads. Anything verging on cult like behavior however will make sense. hell i don't doubt a 1000 moron strong alliance comes out tommorrow with the goal of protecting chirrbra. geg I know if that capital ship gets popped, I'll turn the KM post into a desktop background. But seriously, you guys are sick.....seriously disturbed and I don't mean about the change that got the ship moved.
I hear chirbraa will be serving up some cherry koolaid in the field at 12GMT.GO THERE, BE SAVED!!!!!!!
Your envious tears are delicious. You rage at people becausde your realise that you have nobodys respect, and when you see someone who is respected you want to tear them down just to fill the emptyness of being a nobody.
Go on, post more defense, but you know it is true. I say again, can I have your stuff when you emo-quit?
Hi there sir, I notice you're using logical fallacies to troll this upright gentleman!
What exactly, is respect in an internet spaceship game? "I had a read of the General discussion section. Part of my empathy to my fellow man died." |
Semkhet
Spartan Industries
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Posted - 2008.08.27 14:43:00 -
[530]
Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo Edited by: Scagga Laebetrovo on 27/08/2008 14:31:31
Originally by: Semkhet
You additionally fail to realize that power in EvE is also in the hand of vets, and beyond any kind of ingame animosity, all these vets remained in EvE for so long because the game fulfilled their vision of fun. So you shouldn't underestimate their resolution and focus.
What power are you referring to?
- Subscriber base (about 30%?) Edit: I think it's less... - Owning some 0.0. pixels (which other people will be happy to take over) - Owning most of the T2 BPOs (which invention can compensate for)
Or is that simply because they have enjoyed Eve that they somehow are powerful? If their resolution is so great, their focus so clear, then why are they troubled by any of these petty changes?
I refer to the wealth they accumulated (and cannot be taken back when stored on NPC stations or in wallet). Don't you see that dreads, carriers and even mom's are kind of trivial nowadays ? What does that tell you about the gulf between newcomers and old players ?
I refer to the ability to mass produce gear of all kinds, and specially the big stuff. Besides, invention is not profitable in 95% of the cases and BPO owners can crash the market at will, where and when it suits them.
I refer to the leaders of all the important corps and alliances who are 99% vets.
I refer to the knowledge of all the FC's who know how to pwn a max and loose a min.
Etc... So, there should structurally be no impeachment for big alliances to negotiate a form of truce and reduce their attendance over a month in order to send a clear signal to CCP.
That some noobs or undergunned & unskilled corps take advantage of this just to get their asses spanked as soon the protesters reattend the game is just a cherry on the cake.
Frankly, if it's just against noob-based threats that classic alliances would have to maintain a reduced presence, with all due respect, 20% of their usual manpower would be more than sufficient...
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DigitalCommunist
Obsidian Core
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Posted - 2008.08.27 14:43:00 -
[531]
Crawling in my pod, this structure will not heallll
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Kage Getsu
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
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Posted - 2008.08.27 14:44:00 -
[532]
Originally by: N1fty
If it helps to save a part of the community that I like. Yes.
You should put some vaseline on your nose because if you rub it any harder it's gonna be real sore tomorrow. _________________________________________________________
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2008.08.27 14:45:00 -
[533]
Originally by: Drunk Driver
This thread is silly.
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CCP DEV Alt ^
SKUNK
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ShardowRhino
Caldari Legion 0f The Damned
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Posted - 2008.08.27 14:45:00 -
[534]
Originally by: Mel Dareia I think some misunderstand the problem. This is not about Chribba, but about a feature of Eve that provided quite a bit of harmless entertainment for many, especially newer players. Something special. One of the many small things that added character to the game
Seeing it deleted without a real reason is just...sad.
noo...have you not read all the whines in this thread about saving a specific person's ship? Its not as though CCP has removed all capital ships from the game. Anyone can go get in a shuttle and head to 0.0 and eventually find one.
How in the world did a capital ship add character to the game? It adds as much character to the game as 32round boxes of shotgun ammo did in Planetside. People had boxes of ammo stored and the company changed it to 16 rounds in a box. OMFG, if they removed those boxes of ammo from the game all would be lost. I'm sure theres other stupid little things that people think are just amazing but have nothing to do with the game other then its a left over from years before that never got tossed out.
His ship won't be missed by anyone but the morons crying for him. New players won't give a damn about something thats didn't exist in the game since they started. Anyone that leaves eve over this is pathetic...so i hope they do leave instead of making empty promises.
It didn't add anything to the game. Its not going to destroy the game. chribra isn't anything more then another player. Seriously theres sites and programs that I find far more useful then anything you guys have mentioned chirbra has done.Give them power over the game instead.
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NickSuccorso
Arcana Imperii Ltd. Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.27 14:45:00 -
[535]
Originally by: N1fty All those saying "Chribba is just another player" are wrong.
The fact that Chribba puts in huge amounts of time and money into the community as has been said.
But whats not been pointed out is that as he has shaped significant aspects of the community. Because of this theres almost a Chribba brand now and the Veldnaught was a part of that. That brand is collectively owned by the community, as an idea of whats good about Eve.
What I'm trying to say is that CCP didn't just remove a capital from highsec, they removed the communities flagship.
I've been playing for 2.5 ish years. Played quite a lot in fact. I'd go so far as to say that I've put in a huge amount of time into the community, through my participation in it. Some might also argue that by paying for a couple accounts for a good amount of that time, I've also put a healthy sum of money into it also. I've been involved in some pretty important things in the history of the game to. If I make a post about how I'm losing my awesome forum meme (if I had one), I hope you'll support me just as vigorously now that you know my community credentials are in order.
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Sakura Nihil
Stimulus
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Posted - 2008.08.27 14:46:00 -
[536]
I'll try and keep this simple...
If you think this thread is just about the Veldnaught being nerfed, you're wrong.
This is about the devs focusing on adding content to the game to keep it in the MMO headlines, rather than fixing existing and widespread mechanics problems that affect almost the entire nullsec population. This is about trying to get new players into the game through expansions like Ambulation or FW rather than retaining vets, where one new account is equal to one old account (despite the fact it'll likely only be around a few months). This is about the destruction of flavor in the game, from the Alliance Tournament (arguably the Olympics of EVE) to the removal of artifacts like high-sec caps (while leaving in T2 BPOs, ofc ).
Its about a lack of communication and respect coming from the devs, who'd rather give us a PR excuse for something they've done than tell us the truth upfront, and show us the respect we deserve (GTCs, anyone?). Its about dampening the dark and cold nature of EVE, where those who are lazy, stupid, or slow to adapt are penalized by those who utilize their intelligence and skills to stay with the times, from nanowarfare to suicide ganking to guerrilla warfare.
And above all else, its about the lack of trust a large portion of this community has with the current set of uncommunicative, myopic, fresh devs that are running the game at this moment.
But you know what? All of us are collectively wasting our breath on these forums, telling CCP how their head is up their ass, because they've stated that they don't really care what's posted on their own forums. Solely a small slice of the opinions that exist in-game, if I recall correctly - so, **** it. Any devs that are left, have fun making design decisions in the dark and not listening to community feedback because it doesn't represent the entire picture, or being two-faced when it comes to talking about us.
I have better things to do than let you lot jerk me around anymore.
PS: I miss you, Oveur.
Football? Hell yes. |
N1fty
Amarr Galactic Shipyards Inc HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2008.08.27 14:46:00 -
[537]
Oops, I got trolled in a Chribba thread. :P
Anyway, to sum up: Bring back the Veldnaught!
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Scagga Laebetrovo
Ammatar Free Corps
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Posted - 2008.08.27 14:48:00 -
[538]
Edited by: Scagga Laebetrovo on 27/08/2008 14:48:24
Originally by: Semkhet
I refer to the wealth they accumulated (and cannot be taken back when stored on NPC stations or in wallet). Don't you see that dreads, carriers and even mom's are kind of trivial nowadays ? What does that tell you about the gulf between newcomers and old players ?
I refer to the ability to mass produce gear of all kinds, and specially the big stuff. Besides, invention is not profitable in 95% of the cases and BPO owners can crash the market at will, where and when it suits them.
I refer to the leaders of all the important corps and alliances who are 99% vets.
I refer to the knowledge of all the FC's who know how to pwn a max and loose a min.
Etc... So, there should structurally be no impeachment for big alliances to negotiate a form of truce and reduce their attendance over a month in order to send a clear signal to CCP.
That some noobs or undergunned & unskilled corps take advantage of this just to get their asses spanked as soon the protesters reattend the game is just a cherry on the cake.
Frankly, if it's just against noob-based threats that classic alliances would have to maintain a reduced presence, with all due respect, 20% of their usual manpower would be more than sufficient...
Let me point out:
- Veteran isk wealth: If it disappears with them quitting, what does that matter? If it's in their wallets, it's not part of the economy. - What you've just asserted about BPOs has been disproven enough times before. - Leaders of important corps and alliances? Sir, this is a GAME. They are NOT important, even to the game. They are tyrants who are following their own desires. Someone else will replace them when they go. - The game will not crash and burn if a few hundred skilled FCs go - in fact, it may give the less experienced pilots a chance to actually enjoy parts of eve they're always strong-armed out of :P
So to conclude, every point you tried to make is rubbish. "I had a read of the General discussion section. Part of my empathy to my fellow man died." |
Viqtoria
Caldari Groping Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2008.08.27 14:48:00 -
[539]
leave highsec capitals where they are for gods sake!
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Sheihk Mahandy
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Posted - 2008.08.27 14:49:00 -
[540]
Veld 1 Chribba 0 |
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Traidor Disloyal
I Am Not A Lawyer
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Posted - 2008.08.27 14:50:00 -
[541]
Originally by: N1fty Anyway, to sum up: Bring back the Veldnaught!
If his was the only one in High Sec then sure. If his wasn't, and they don't bring the others back also, then his can stay out in low sec with the rest of em. Aint nobody special in this damn game no mater how many tattoos you got on you. |
Asestorian
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.08.27 14:51:00 -
[542]
Pretty much what Sakura Nihil said.
CCP need to try and retain some of what made them so special in the first place. They need to go back to posting regular dev blogs detailing their plans and ideas; they need to be honest about things that go wrong; they need to appear that they actually still give a damn.
Is that really so hard, CCP? |
Tierie
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.08.27 14:52:00 -
[543]
Have any other high sec capitals been removed, or just Chribba's? Could be a mistake by a GM. |
TehHouse
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Posted - 2008.08.27 14:52:00 -
[544]
Originally by: Traidor Disloyal
Originally by: N1fty Anyway, to sum up: Bring back the Veldnaught!
If his was the only one in High Sec then sure. If his wasn't, and they don't bring the others back also, then his can stay out in low sec with the rest of em. Aint nobody special in this damn game no mater how many tattoos you got on you.
There were some other ones; his was just the most well-known.
Seriously, is CCP just trying to **** people off today? |
Shanur
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.08.27 14:52:00 -
[545]
The fact that this nerf directly hurt EVE's most famous player aside, this was a blunder for a very simple reason:
This change made an awful lot of otherwise very moderate players mad, and so far there has not been a single explanation from CCP as to how the game benefits from this decission. They did something unpopular which to the naked eye appears utterly pointless and are not bothering explaining why. This above all is what is causing the rage in this thread. CCP kicked a sensitive spot without as much as a "whoops! sorry!".
Even if you don't care about Chribba or the landmark value of the high sec dreads, the fact that they did something unpopular without obvious reason or explaining why should be enough cause to upset any player. It shows a blatant lack of disrespect.
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Scagga Laebetrovo
Ammatar Free Corps
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Posted - 2008.08.27 14:52:00 -
[546]
Edited by: Scagga Laebetrovo on 27/08/2008 14:53:10 Edited by: Scagga Laebetrovo on 27/08/2008 14:52:50
Originally by: Sakura Nihil This is about trying to get new players into the game through expansions like Ambulation or FW rather than retaining vets, where one new account is equal to one old account (despite the fact it'll likely only be around a few months).
Apartheid is that way ->
A 10 minute old account should be worth as much as my 3 year old account. I deplore any suggestion that implies double-standards are acceptable (even though they exist in so many places). |
Shanur
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.08.27 14:54:00 -
[547]
Originally by: Tierie Have any other high sec capitals been removed, or just Chribba's? Could be a mistake by a GM.
As far as i have read from other posts, it's all capital ships residing in high sec space.
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Scagga Laebetrovo
Ammatar Free Corps
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Posted - 2008.08.27 14:54:00 -
[548]
Originally by: Asestorian Pretty much what Sakura Nihil said.
CCP need to try and retain some of what made them so special in the first place. They need to go back to posting regular dev blogs detailing their plans and ideas; they need to be honest about things that go wrong; they need to appear that they actually still give a damn.
Is that really so hard, CCP?
I have an idea of how we can achieve this. Irritate the vets enough to get them out, then the structures they have made that make the game 'less fun' will be gone! |
Smagd
Encina Technologies
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Posted - 2008.08.27 14:55:00 -
[549]
Originally by: Sheihk Mahandy Veld 1 Chribba 0
Haha, no wait. ASTEROIDS are petitioning PLAYERS? I'm scared. |
Asestorian
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.08.27 14:56:00 -
[550]
Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo
Originally by: Asestorian Pretty much what Sakura Nihil said.
CCP need to try and retain some of what made them so special in the first place. They need to go back to posting regular dev blogs detailing their plans and ideas; they need to be honest about things that go wrong; they need to appear that they actually still give a damn.
Is that really so hard, CCP?
I have an idea of how we can achieve this. Irritate the vets enough to get them out, then the structures they have made that make the game 'less fun' will be gone!
Long term players have nothing to do with CCP not speaking to us properly. |
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Azunami
Gallente Meridian Dynamics Cosmic Anomalies
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Posted - 2008.08.27 14:56:00 -
[551]
Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo Edited by: Scagga Laebetrovo on 27/08/2008 14:53:10
A 10 minute old account should be worth as much as my 3 year old account. I deplore any suggestion that implies double-standards are acceptable (even though they exist in so many places).
Its called loyalty, and it should be rewarded. |
Duncan MacPherson
Minmatar Black Lion Legion
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Posted - 2008.08.27 14:56:00 -
[552]
What a silly thread |
Scagga Laebetrovo
Ammatar Free Corps
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Posted - 2008.08.27 14:57:00 -
[553]
Originally by: Azunami
Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo Edited by: Scagga Laebetrovo on 27/08/2008 14:53:10
A 10 minute old account should be worth as much as my 3 year old account. I deplore any suggestion that implies double-standards are acceptable (even though they exist in so many places).
Its called loyalty, and it should be rewarded.
Skillpoints, t2 bpos, first grabs on resources sound good enough to you? |
Margeth
Amarr Nymphetamine Junkies
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Posted - 2008.08.27 14:57:00 -
[554]
Oh for.... Seriously, What exactly is the point in forcing high sec capitals out?
All they can do is fly around the system they're in looking pretty and mining etc....
Seems to me CCP are doing this purely for the sake of screwing around with things, Not for any good reason, I personally think that they should either have done this the second they made it impossible for capitals to enter high sec or have decided to allow it permanently.
Now that they've left it for so long saying that it's fine as long as they don't agress etc it's way too late to do this sort of thing without upsetting a number of people (not just chribba but other high sec capital owners as well).
Bad way to handle things is all i can say. |
Scagga Laebetrovo
Ammatar Free Corps
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Posted - 2008.08.27 14:59:00 -
[555]
Originally by: Asestorian
Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo
Originally by: Asestorian Pretty much what Sakura Nihil said.
CCP need to try and retain some of what made them so special in the first place. They need to go back to posting regular dev blogs detailing their plans and ideas; they need to be honest about things that go wrong; they need to appear that they actually still give a damn.
Is that really so hard, CCP?
I have an idea of how we can achieve this. Irritate the vets enough to get them out, then the structures they have made that make the game 'less fun' will be gone!
Long term players have nothing to do with CCP not speaking to us properly.
Right, so this thread started what, 8 hours ago. What exactly constitutes CCP not speaking to you properly? Are they breaching a clause of the terms of service or something? If not, then please, harden the **** up and wait? "I had a read of the General discussion section. Part of my empathy to my fellow man died." |
Traidor Disloyal
I Am Not A Lawyer
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Posted - 2008.08.27 15:00:00 -
[556]
Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo Skillpoints, t2 bpos, first grabs on resources sound good enough to you?
Nothing compares to that fancy shuttle I have in the hanger.
--------------------------------------------- Love is having a second account with a cov ops pilot |
Azunami
Gallente Meridian Dynamics Cosmic Anomalies
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Posted - 2008.08.27 15:01:00 -
[557]
Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo
Skillpoints, t2 bpos, first grabs on resources sound good enough to you?
No they arn't.
t2 bpos --> Invention Skillpoints ---> New bloodlines and learning skill rewords. First Grab at resources ---> What? Anyone can take anyone elses resources, if they are incapable of taking them from the older owners than they dont deserve to own them.
New characters get all kinds of things to help them keep up with older characters. Removing unique things like high-sec capitals in some lame and misguided attempt at fairness completly ignores all the work and money that the vet's have put into this game over the years. If you think that people should not be rewarded for being loyal customers then you are obvously not in business.
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Duncan MacPherson
Minmatar Black Lion Legion
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Posted - 2008.08.27 15:01:00 -
[558]
Originally by: Azunami
Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo Edited by: Scagga Laebetrovo on 27/08/2008 14:53:10
A 10 minute old account should be worth as much as my 3 year old account. I deplore any suggestion that implies double-standards are acceptable (even though they exist in so many places).
Its called loyalty, and it should be rewarded.
Its a business. Loyalty is a myth. You pay them money and in return they have entertained you for 3 years. Get over yourself.
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Jacob Mei
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Posted - 2008.08.27 15:02:00 -
[559]
This sounds more like a new GM made a big ass mistake, why wouldnt CCP give atleast a warning to cap ship holders in high sec that would give them the option to cyno to a perfered low sec system? Definitely a bummer to hear that the Veldnaught was effectively nerfed, it was essentially the "god" ship of miners. -------------------------------- To borrow a phrase:
Players who post are like stars, there are bright ones and those who are dim.
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N1fty
Amarr Galactic Shipyards Inc HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2008.08.27 15:03:00 -
[560]
It takes over 8 hours to come up with a good reason why high sec caps were removed?
Not seen one yet in this thread. I literally can't think of any reason.
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Drunk Driver
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.08.27 15:03:00 -
[561]
Originally by: Le Skunk
Originally by: Drunk Driver
This thread is silly.
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CCP DEV Alt ^
SKUNK
Even if I was, this thread would still be silly.
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Scagga Laebetrovo
Ammatar Free Corps
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Posted - 2008.08.27 15:04:00 -
[562]
Originally by: Azunami
Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo
First Grab at resources ---> What? Anyone can take anyone elses resources, if they are incapable of taking them from the older owners than they dont deserve to own them. /quote]
So tell me, which alliance of young players managed to push out one of the alliances of the 'old guard'. Wait, they dont' deserve it, because they can't muster enough force. That's because they're young pilots and didn't have the same advantages.
T2 BPOs > invention. Give me a choice and I'd prefer a T2 bpo please. I'd rather be a vet with my own promethium moon and army of 60m sp pilots to defend against the nubs who grinded l4s for days to be able to field a ship as good as mine... "I had a read of the General discussion section. Part of my empathy to my fellow man died." |
Kage Getsu
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
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Posted - 2008.08.27 15:04:00 -
[563]
Edited by: Kage Getsu on 27/08/2008 15:04:40
Originally by: Azunami
No they arn't.
t2 bpos --> Invention Skillpoints ---> New bloodlines and learning skill rewords. First Grab at resources ---> What? Anyone can take anyone elses resources, if they are incapable of taking them from the older owners than they dont deserve to own them.
You can't get BPOs through invention, only negative ME and PE copies. I guess starting with 800k more SP than the veterans did really balances things out when they have in excess of 60 million SP in most cases. (I quit for a while so I'm only at 50-something) It's hard when the old guys have more money, friends, ships, and skills than you.
I'm not complaining about any of that, it's all stuff you can actually earn in this game. Simply being older shouldn't mean you have influence on the development of the game. CCP markets the game to everyone, not veterans with gian egos. _________________________________________________________
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Azunami
Gallente Meridian Dynamics Cosmic Anomalies
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Posted - 2008.08.27 15:04:00 -
[564]
Originally by: Duncan MacPherson
Originally by: Azunami
Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo Edited by: Scagga Laebetrovo on 27/08/2008 14:53:10
A 10 minute old account should be worth as much as my 3 year old account. I deplore any suggestion that implies double-standards are acceptable (even though they exist in so many places).
Its called loyalty, and it should be rewarded.
Its a business. Loyalty is a myth. You pay them money and in return they have entertained you for 3 years. Get over yourself.
Tell that to every resturant with regular customers who are known by name. Tell that to every repair shop where the mechanic knows your vehicle history and gives you good deals. Another person not living in the world of the service industry. In the real world loyalty is absoluty rewarded.
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Vir Hellnamin
Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.08.27 15:04:00 -
[565]
whiskey-tango-foxtrot.
-- V.H.
"Entering MH means instant death. It's worse than 0.0. Even the asteroids shoot back." - Alex Harumichi [GRD]
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Alz Shado
Ever Flow HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2008.08.27 15:04:00 -
[566]
Might I suggest a response?
"A Week without Eve-Files/Eve-Search"
Simply disconnect what is perhaps the most vital pieces of Eve community kit. No more sigs, no more hosting the Territorial maps, no more easy-to-use search to make these forums into something barely more functional than a myspace page.
I think someone over at CCP just forgets how damn important you are to keeping their incompetent mess of a web presence functioning. //// ---------=== []= ---------=== \\\\ Rifter(RedBad)
"Kill a man one is a murderer; kill a million, a conqueror; kill them all, a God." -- Jean Rostand |
Dionisius
Gallente Sincarnate Holding
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Posted - 2008.08.27 15:04:00 -
[567]
In other important news, i just got myself a new 4870 , and had lunch with a hottie.
Take that CCP! _____________________________________
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Scagga Laebetrovo
Ammatar Free Corps
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Posted - 2008.08.27 15:05:00 -
[568]
Originally by: N1fty It takes over 8 hours to come up with a good reason why high sec caps were removed?
Not seen one yet in this thread. I literally can't think of any reason.
Maybe because CCP has other things scheduled for the timebeing, other than answering this whinethread. "I had a read of the General discussion section. Part of my empathy to my fellow man died." |
Scagga Laebetrovo
Ammatar Free Corps
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Posted - 2008.08.27 15:05:00 -
[569]
Originally by: Alz Shado Might I suggest a response?
"A Week without Eve-Files/Eve-Search"
Simply disconnect what is perhaps the most vital pieces of Eve community kit. No more sigs, no more hosting the Territorial maps, no more easy-to-use search to make these forums into something barely more functional than a myspace page.
I think someone over at CCP just forgets how damn important you are to keeping their incompetent mess of a web presence functioning.
I'll get out my photobucket account in that case. "I had a read of the General discussion section. Part of my empathy to my fellow man died." |
Semkhet
Spartan Industries
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Posted - 2008.08.27 15:06:00 -
[570]
Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo
Let me point out:
- Veteran isk wealth: If it disappears with them quitting, what does that matter? If it's in their wallets, it's not part of the economy. - What you've just asserted about BPOs has been disproven enough times before. - Leaders of important corps and alliances? Sir, this is a GAME. They are NOT important, even to the game. They are tyrants who are following their own desires. Someone else will replace them when they go. - The game will not crash and burn if a few hundred skilled FCs go - in fact, it may give the less experienced pilots a chance to actually enjoy parts of eve they're always strong-armed out of :P
So to conclude, every point you tried to make is rubbish.
You don't seem to read. Does your isk disappear if your sub expires and you reactivate it one month later ? NO. Ditto for all your belongings that aren't stored on conquerable stations.
Fact of the matter is that only a small fraction of ingame items is profitable to build, and it's precisely old foxes who know which ones That most of EvE players struggle to build useless stuff from a profit perspective is a moot point. There's only one line of items which isn't vulnerable to BPO owner's characterized dumping. Unfortunately for newcomers, it's also a line of production which requires billion(s) of investment and quite a few sp's in the right spots.
Leaders are important. It's their experience, focus, will, vision & charisma which turn a given corp/alliance into nothing or everything. That's all the difference between BOB and an average alliance for example.
If the majority of experienced FC were to take a 1-month vacation, I can guarantee you that at their return, more than a self-proclaimed FC would stare ashamed at how fast his blob went "Ad Patres". Difference between those who know what they are doing, and the rest...
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Kage Getsu
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
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Posted - 2008.08.27 15:07:00 -
[571]
Originally by: Alz Shado Might I suggest a response?
"A Week without Eve-Files/Eve-Search"
Simply disconnect what is perhaps the most vital pieces of Eve community kit. No more sigs, no more hosting the Territorial maps, no more easy-to-use search to make these forums into something barely more functional than a myspace page.
I think someone over at CCP just forgets how damn important you are to keeping their incompetent mess of a web presence functioning.
Never used either of those except for the territorial maps, and there are image hosting services all over the place. I didn't even know the name of the guy who ran those services, and didn't know it was the same guy who owned a high-security capital. _________________________________________________________
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Una D
Ex Coelis The Bantam Menace
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Posted - 2008.08.27 15:08:00 -
[572]
WTH CCP there is no reason what so ever for this change other than to **** off people. Reverse this crap and go do your damn work (hint, fixing jumping windows and the rest UI if you are unable to fix the lag at the moment)
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Jacob Mei
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Posted - 2008.08.27 15:08:00 -
[573]
Originally by: Alz Shado Might I suggest a response?
"A Week without Eve-Files/Eve-Search"
Simply disconnect what is perhaps the most vital pieces of Eve community kit. No more sigs, no more hosting the Territorial maps, no more easy-to-use search to make these forums into something barely more functional than a myspace page.
I think someone over at CCP just forgets how damn important you are to keeping their incompetent mess of a web presence functioning.
Thats effectively punishing the community for something CCP did and would make Cribba look like a jackass throwing a temper tantrum, I would hope Cribbia has more class than that. -------------------------------- To borrow a phrase:
Players who post are like stars, there are bright ones and those who are dim.
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Scagga Laebetrovo
Ammatar Free Corps
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Posted - 2008.08.27 15:08:00 -
[574]
Originally by: Semkhet
Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo
Let me point out:
- Veteran isk wealth: If it disappears with them quitting, what does that matter? If it's in their wallets, it's not part of the economy. - What you've just asserted about BPOs has been disproven enough times before. - Leaders of important corps and alliances? Sir, this is a GAME. They are NOT important, even to the game. They are tyrants who are following their own desires. Someone else will replace them when they go. - The game will not crash and burn if a few hundred skilled FCs go - in fact, it may give the less experienced pilots a chance to actually enjoy parts of eve they're always strong-armed out of :P
So to conclude, every point you tried to make is rubbish.
You don't seem to read. Does your isk disappear if your sub expires and you reactivate it one month later ? NO. Ditto for all your belongings that aren't stored on conquerable stations.
Fact of the matter is that only a small fraction of ingame items is profitable to build, and it's precisely old foxes who know which ones That most of EvE players struggle to build useless stuff from a profit perspective is a moot point. There's only one line of items which isn't vulnerable to BPO owner's characterized dumping. Unfortunately for newcomers, it's also a line of production which requires billion(s) of investment and quite a few sp's in the right spots.
Leaders are important. It's their experience, focus, will, vision & charisma which turn a given corp/alliance into nothing or everything. That's all the difference between BOB and an average alliance for example.
If the majority of experienced FC were to take a 1-month vacation, I can guarantee you that at their return, more than a self-proclaimed FC would stare ashamed at how fast his blob went "Ad Patres". Difference between those who know what they are doing, and the rest...
Hit head brick wall.
Get a perspective. Anything that someone stops doing, someone else will start doing. If all the vets leave, people will fill the gaps, and there will be profit! "I had a read of the General discussion section. Part of my empathy to my fellow man died." |
teji
Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.08.27 15:08:00 -
[575]
This is awesome, next up t2 bpos.
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ShardowRhino
Caldari Legion 0f The Damned
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Posted - 2008.08.27 15:09:00 -
[576]
Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo
Originally by: Drebble
Originally by: ShardowRhino hahahah, every thread need someone with an operational brain to smack some sense into you whiney ,pole riding,cry babies. I'm an A-hole, thats for sure, I get that title because I have this habit of trying to beat sense into fools that don't like the truth. Someone says something stupid, i beat some sense into them. SOmeone does something stupid, i beat some sense into them.
If you hammer away long enough eventually even the most stubborn moron will crack and admit that they are full of crap. They hate me for it because I made them realize just how stupid they sound and act.
as for the guy's name, unlike you guys that can't be arsed to get up off your knees before posting, I don't care about his name. I'm not going to get it tattooed due to this outrage. I'm never going to go on about how great the guy is. I'm never going to praise him as the EVE mesiah or any other crazy crap. So his name was misspelled, to bad, get over it just like his capital ship.
I'm not telling you guys what to do with your lips when you see chirpa again, thats your business. What I am saying is that you guys look like a bunch of idiots crying over someone you have given a godlike image in your minds. The way some of you guys go on, such as the guy I was initially quoting, probably ****s off to chirba's bio or has a chribra alter where he offers up rocks as sacrifice.
How about you guys stop whining and create a "save chirbra" alliance where you can protect your mesiah while he mines the veldspar? I gotta suggest that because anything that is logical will surely fly over your heads. Anything verging on cult like behavior however will make sense. hell i don't doubt a 1000 moron strong alliance comes out tommorrow with the goal of protecting chirrbra. geg I know if that capital ship gets popped, I'll turn the KM post into a desktop background. But seriously, you guys are sick.....seriously disturbed and I don't mean about the change that got the ship moved.
I hear chirbraa will be serving up some cherry koolaid in the field at 12GMT.GO THERE, BE SAVED!!!!!!!
Your envious tears are delicious. You rage at people becausde your realise that you have nobodys respect, and when you see someone who is respected you want to tear them down just to fill the emptyness of being a nobody.
Go on, post more defense, but you know it is true. I say again, can I have your stuff when you emo-quit?
Hi there sir, I notice you're using logical fallacies to troll this upright gentleman!
What exactly, is respect in an internet spaceship game?
lol
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Scagga Laebetrovo
Ammatar Free Corps
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Posted - 2008.08.27 15:09:00 -
[577]
Originally by: teji This is awesome, next up t2 bpos.
If it goes in the same manner, I can't wait to see the tears!
"I had a read of the General discussion section. Part of my empathy to my fellow man died." |
Azunami
Gallente Meridian Dynamics Cosmic Anomalies
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Posted - 2008.08.27 15:10:00 -
[578]
Originally by: Kage Getsu
You can't get BPOs through invention, only negative ME and PE copies. I guess starting with 800k more SP than the veterans did really balances things out when they have in excess of 60 million SP in most cases. (I quit for a while so I'm only at 50-something) It's hard when the old guys have more money, friends, ships, and skills than you.
You dont need to get BPO's, invention has absolutly revolutionized t2 production prices. Anyone still whining about BPO's is well...I dont know what to say. 800k more SP's, and what, 5 weeks training time saved by not bringing their basic learning skills to 5. You have 60 million SP's, are you 10x the Mega pilot as a player with 6 million? No, because skillsets for certain ships and roles tap out looooong before 50 million.
The old guys started the same way as the new guys and they made it.
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Dionisius
Gallente Sincarnate Holding
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Posted - 2008.08.27 15:10:00 -
[579]
Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo
Originally by: teji This is awesome, next up t2 bpos.
If it goes in the same manner, I can't wait to see the tears!
You won't, those people will either go into invention ( most of them already have setup accounts for that ) , or they will just quit. _____________________________________
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N1fty
Amarr Galactic Shipyards Inc HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2008.08.27 15:11:00 -
[580]
Originally by: Alz Shado Might I suggest a response?
"A Week without Eve-Files/Eve-Search"
That occurred to me too. I don't think its in the Veldmunchers nature to be spiteful. It hardly hurts CCP that a community website is switched off. Although it would shine a light on CCP's excuse for community support. Eve-Files being a direct product of CCP's Fan Submissions page being broken for years.
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Scagga Laebetrovo
Ammatar Free Corps
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Posted - 2008.08.27 15:11:00 -
[581]
Originally by: Dionisius
Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo
Originally by: teji This is awesome, next up t2 bpos.
If it goes in the same manner, I can't wait to see the tears!
You won't, those people will either go into invention ( most of them already have setup accounts for that ) , or they will just quit.
Taking bets on that? "I had a read of the General discussion section. Part of my empathy to my fellow man died." |
Traidor Disloyal
I Am Not A Lawyer
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Posted - 2008.08.27 15:13:00 -
[582]
Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo
Originally by: teji This is awesome, next up t2 bpos.
If it goes in the same manner, I can't wait to see the tears!
I got to agree. This would be more fun then watching the implosion of SWG (NGE) and AoC (at release)at the same time.
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Scagga Laebetrovo
Ammatar Free Corps
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Posted - 2008.08.27 15:15:00 -
[583]
Originally by: Traidor Disloyal
Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo
Originally by: teji This is awesome, next up t2 bpos.
If it goes in the same manner, I can't wait to see the tears!
I got to agree. This would be more fun then watching the implosion of SWG (NGE) and AoC (at release)at the same time.
High five for the righteous schadenfreude squad! "I had a read of the General discussion section. Part of my empathy to my fellow man died." |
Asestorian
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.08.27 15:16:00 -
[584]
Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo
Originally by: Asestorian
Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo
Originally by: Asestorian Pretty much what Sakura Nihil said.
CCP need to try and retain some of what made them so special in the first place. They need to go back to posting regular dev blogs detailing their plans and ideas; they need to be honest about things that go wrong; they need to appear that they actually still give a damn.
Is that really so hard, CCP?
I have an idea of how we can achieve this. Irritate the vets enough to get them out, then the structures they have made that make the game 'less fun' will be gone!
Long term players have nothing to do with CCP not speaking to us properly.
Right, so this thread started what, 8 hours ago. What exactly constitutes CCP not speaking to you properly? Are they breaching a clause of the terms of service or something? If not, then please, harden the **** up and wait?
CCP not talking to us properly isn't just based around this issue. This is just pushing it over the edge.
Once upon a time CCP regularly posted dev blogs. CCP also regularly posted on the forums, even just to have a chat. CCP seemed to actually exist in the community beyond the standard community representatives (not that I have anything against you guys).
CCP are getting further and further away from us - or so it seems. We no longer have any real idea what they're trying to do with the game, whereas we used to be told often what the devs were thinking about and where they would like to try and go. They seem to be favouring the opinion that the forum is near worthless as a real tool for gauging community feeling on various issues, but have yet to tell us what they do feel is representative of that.
Then we have things like the alliance tournament. Did you know that they cancelled that? I didn't, but apparently they have. Why? Probably because of EVE TV. But what's wrong with that? They used to have very little issue in spending a bit of extra money to treat us to unique and special things, but now they won't.
In this case they have simply handled it badly. Chribba is a well loved community icon, and he damn well is special. That's one of the reasons EVE is so great, because someone like Chribba can be special. Now they removed something that made him like that? What for? Why? They need to tell us things before they do them, especially when it's something that affects the community this much. And if they hadn't realised that it did affect the community this much, then it only goes to show how out of touch they have become.
I understand that CCP cannot be exactly the same as it used to be as it grows, but growth and restructuring isn't really an excuse to start near enough ignoring us.
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Quote: EVE is unfair by design.
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Korinn
The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.08.27 15:16:00 -
[585]
Originally by: Kage Getsu
Originally by: Alz Shado Might I suggest a response?
"A Week without Eve-Files/Eve-Search"
Simply disconnect what is perhaps the most vital pieces of Eve community kit. No more sigs, no more hosting the Territorial maps, no more easy-to-use search to make these forums into something barely more functional than a myspace page.
I think someone over at CCP just forgets how damn important you are to keeping their incompetent mess of a web presence functioning.
Never used either of those except for the territorial maps, and there are image hosting services all over the place. I didn't even know the name of the guy who ran those services, and didn't know it was the same guy who owned a high-security capital.
I'm glad that people with such an intricate knowledge of the game and its community are here, willing and able to provide their amazing insight into the issues at hand
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Alz Shado
Ever Flow HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2008.08.27 15:17:00 -
[586]
Originally by: N1fty That occurred to me too. I don't think its in the Veldmunchers nature to be spiteful. It hardly hurts CCP that a community website is switched off. Although it would shine a light on CCP's excuse for community support. Eve-Files being a direct product of CCP's Fan Submissions page being broken for years.
Doesn't necessarily need to be seen as a spiteful act. Simply a reminder of his importance to the community.
Chrib's a pilot with a heart two sizes too big for the average pod. I hate to see a guy like that not get his proper due.
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"Kill a man one is a murderer; kill a million, a conqueror; kill them all, a God." -- Jean Rostand |
Marlona Sky
Caldari Astroglide X
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Posted - 2008.08.27 15:17:00 -
[587]
Aparently all the marco miners petitioned his uber veldnaught in how it was unfare to them that he was allowed to mine so well with it. Chribba, shame on you for having fun within the game rules and... wait... ???
CCP, why does this change enhance our game experience?
As far as T2 BPO's go, I imagine they will one day just change them all to 100 run copies or something.
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Drebble
Gallente North Star Networks Black Hand.
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Posted - 2008.08.27 15:19:00 -
[588]
Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo Hi there sir, I notice you're using logical fallacies to troll this upright gentleman!
What exactly, is respect in an internet spaceship game?
Good Sir, it is my understanding that Respect, being a purely objective animal, has the confounding ability to appear, and not only survive but acually thrive, in all manner of enviroments.
The complexity of the question you so wisely pose, is even greater than you believe. Far to complex for mortals such as yours truly to fathom, much less answer: What exactly, is respect?
I shall ponder. Should my efforts be crowned by success I shall inform you forthwith.
Salutations, Drebble
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Reven Cordelle
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.08.27 15:19:00 -
[589]
I've kept up with this shit since this morning, 20 Pages. TWENTY, over 500 posts, the majority of posters ****ed off.
And CCP can't even find 5 minutes to get some blue lines in here to explain what the **** they think they're up to?
Absolutely terrible. I wouldn't expect such a level of ignorance from anyone, let alone CCP, especially since it was deemed that the Veldnaught and other High Sec Capitals were indeed incredibly unique and their existance was prized, rather than disregarded as a breach of "game mechanics", of which.. make literally no sense.
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Semkhet
Spartan Industries
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Posted - 2008.08.27 15:20:00 -
[590]
Originally by: Asestorian Long term players have nothing to do with CCP not speaking to us properly.
Exactly, while it would be pathetic that CCP makes a difference between old and young players (which is fortunately NOT the case as far I'm aware), it seems that the attention CCP puts into communicating with the player base is inversely proportional to the money they cash in.
And for those who still don't get it, what happened with this caps relocation in general, and the lack of consideration for Chribba in particular (specially after all what he's done which directly contributes to CCP's RL wallet, like it or not), is just the last straw on the camel's back after a long serie of psychotic decisions.
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Kage Getsu
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
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Posted - 2008.08.27 15:20:00 -
[591]
Originally by: Korinn
I'm glad that people with such an intricate knowledge of the game and its community are here, willing and able to provide their amazing insight into the issues at hand
With in excess of 100,000 subscribers why am I supposed to know anything about some guy who used to pull out a capital ship sometimes to show it off in a situation where it's nothing more than a novelty? _________________________________________________________
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Scagga Laebetrovo
Ammatar Free Corps
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Posted - 2008.08.27 15:21:00 -
[592]
Originally by: Asestorian
CCP not talking to us properly isn't just based around this issue. This is just pushing it over the edge.
Once upon a time CCP regularly posted dev blogs. CCP also regularly posted on the forums, even just to have a chat. CCP seemed to actually exist in the community beyond the standard community representatives (not that I have anything against you guys).
CCP are getting further and further away from us - or so it seems. We no longer have any real idea what they're trying to do with the game, whereas we used to be told often what the devs were thinking about and where they would like to try and go. They seem to be favouring the opinion that the forum is near worthless as a real tool for gauging community feeling on various issues, but have yet to tell us what they do feel is representative of that.
Then we have things like the alliance tournament. Did you know that they cancelled that? I didn't, but apparently they have. Why? Probably because of EVE TV. But what's wrong with that? They used to have very little issue in spending a bit of extra money to treat us to unique and special things, but now they won't.
In this case they have simply handled it badly. Chribba is a well loved community icon, and he damn well is special. That's one of the reasons EVE is so great, because someone like Chribba can be special. Now they removed something that made him like that? What for? Why? They need to tell us things before they do them, especially when it's something that affects the community this much. And if they hadn't realised that it did affect the community this much, then it only goes to show how out of touch they have become.
I understand that CCP cannot be exactly the same as it used to be as it grows, but growth and restructuring isn't really an excuse to start near enough ignoring us.
Let me summarise the important things for you:
-CCP have not been proven to be breaking the terms of service you have agreed to. That is the only standard that matters, objectively speaking. -Remember what people said about the word 'Evolution'? Nice to see those who spake it eat it now. -Neither You, I nor Chribba are really important -These are out of character forums, you aren't the all-powerful capsuleer who can always get there way when posting here. Here, you're one of the ants like you are in real life "I had a read of the General discussion section. Part of my empathy to my fellow man died." |
teji
Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.08.27 15:21:00 -
[593]
Originally by: Traidor Disloyal I got to agree. This would be more fun then watching the implosion of SWG (NGE) and AoC (at release)at the same time.
Crushing the ego of one internet celebrity vs broad (admittedly bad) sweeping changes affecting everyone. I don't think it's really comparable. Though this has a more personal feel which is nice.
The biggest shocker is CCP applying rules equally across everyone here. I mean CCP being impartial? The end times are near.
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Hul'ka
Minmatar MicroFunks
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Posted - 2008.08.27 15:21:00 -
[594]
+1 for Chribba support
there won't be a tournament this year? --------- phew phew
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Korinn
The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.08.27 15:21:00 -
[595]
Originally by: Kage Getsu
Originally by: Korinn
I'm glad that people with such an intricate knowledge of the game and its community are here, willing and able to provide their amazing insight into the issues at hand
With in excess of 100,000 subscribers why am I supposed to know anything about some guy who used to pull out a capital ship sometimes to show it off in a situation where it's nothing more than a novelty?
This is exactly what I'm saying; if you don't know, don't pass judgement
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ShardowRhino
Caldari Legion 0f The Damned
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Posted - 2008.08.27 15:22:00 -
[596]
Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo
Originally by: ShardowRhino
seriously this whole thread is pathetic. If you guys really think someone else that plays this game is so important that your going to leave the game because that 1 person was effected by a change, then you guys gotta unsub!! RIGHT now, no not when your sub conviently runs out, I mean RIGHT NOW!!
Agreed.
So much for coping with a 'harsh' mmo, eh?
hahaha, man I have been thinking about that the whole time I've been enjoying this halarious thread. If the eve playerbase was as "hardcore" and "Cutthroat" as they want to believe they are over wow players, the responses from post 2-1000 would be asking for chirbra's stuff and telling him to "gtfo".
I gotta admit I like your work, even had a look back through the thread. Farm on
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Aeolos Maior
Logical Progression
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Posted - 2008.08.27 15:23:00 -
[597]
Edited by: Aeolos Maior on 27/08/2008 15:25:18 You know what would look real nice in this thread? Some blue lines. I assume there's at least a little bit of decency left amongst the ranks of CCP. 20 pages of replies within 1 working day, CCP.
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SuperSarge
Dark Knights of Deneb Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2008.08.27 15:24:00 -
[598]
thumbs down ccp :(
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Semkhet
Spartan Industries
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Posted - 2008.08.27 15:24:00 -
[599]
Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo
Hit head brick wall.
Get a perspective. Anything that someone stops doing, someone else will start doing. If all the vets leave, people will fill the gaps, and there will be profit!
Hit brick wall ? Dude, if vets leave for 30 days, you won't even have enough time to train the beginning of the ingame sp's required to do what they do. But if that's how far your understanding of the game goes... Be my guest
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Kage Getsu
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
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Posted - 2008.08.27 15:25:00 -
[600]
Originally by: ShardowRhino
hahaha, man I have been thinking about that the whole time I've been enjoying this halarious thread. If the eve playerbase was as "hardcore" and "Cutthroat" as they want to believe they are over wow players, the responses from post 2-1000 would be asking for chirbra's stuff and telling him to "gtfo".
Two years ago that's what the response would have been. What has happened to this game to make its playerbase so carebear? _________________________________________________________
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N1fty
Amarr Galactic Shipyards Inc HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2008.08.27 15:25:00 -
[601]
Originally by: Hul'ka +1 for Chribba support
there won't be a tournament this year?
Yeah, CCP said that if Chribba organises it for them for free, then he gets his Veldnaught back in Amarr.
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Scagga Laebetrovo
Ammatar Free Corps
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Posted - 2008.08.27 15:27:00 -
[602]
Originally by: Semkhet
Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo
Hit head brick wall.
Get a perspective. Anything that someone stops doing, someone else will start doing. If all the vets leave, people will fill the gaps, and there will be profit!
Hit brick wall ? Dude, if vets leave for 30 days, you won't even have enough time to train the beginning of the ingame sp's required to do what they do. But if that's how far your understanding of the game goes... Be my guest
Wow, you mean I single-handedly won't be able to do what all the veteran producers in this game do at once? An amazingly cogent point sir!!! I'm playing eve all alone... "I had a read of the General discussion section. Part of my empathy to my fellow man died." |
Thargat
Caldari North Star Networks Black Hand.
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Posted - 2008.08.27 15:27:00 -
[603]
CCP used to have alot of common sense when it came to community relations. This episode just fuels the feeling that this has changed, and that the "sense" is diminishing every day. Whether it's because of the "vet" eve-devs moving on to WoD (thus leaving newly employed staff, with less experience and "feel" for the community, in charge) or because of an overall policy change (or other reason) is as yet unknown.
A decision such as this is just plain stupid. The capitals in hi-sec were nothing else than a inspiring oddity, reminding people of times of old and inspiring newer players (atleast some) to research further into the subject (thus creating a type of high quality player-made lore). It made Eve feel less stale and served as a reminder of the changing ruleset of TQ as well as the feeling that "CCP IS different from other gaming companies".
What makes me a bit upset about this matter is that CCP either have lost that fingertip-feeling they used to have for how the community felt for certain things, and how important special achievements are to the players of this game. The other option is that CCP simply stopped caring for the playerbase's wants and needs even in the smallest and most unimportant of matters (ie stuff that's fluff).
To all of you who rant and troll, even seen some discrediting a friendly bloke like Chribba and still claim to be a part of the community: You're not, and with those kind of attitudes you likely never will be.
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Daan Sai
HAZCON Inc
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Posted - 2008.08.27 15:29:00 -
[604]
Shame on CCP for such a short sighted, unannounced, pointless, negative, and diminishing-to-the-game move. I only hope it was by an ignorant newbie GM who really should know better and it will be corrected soon
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Una D
Ex Coelis The Bantam Menace
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Posted - 2008.08.27 15:32:00 -
[605]
Originally by: ShardowRhino
Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo
Originally by: ShardowRhino
seriously this whole thread is pathetic. If you guys really think someone else that plays this game is so important that your going to leave the game because that 1 person was effected by a change, then you guys gotta unsub!! RIGHT now, no not when your sub conviently runs out, I mean RIGHT NOW!!
Agreed.
So much for coping with a 'harsh' mmo, eh?
harsh is not same as being a lame ass. You should probably upgrade your logic skill. ;)
hahaha, man I have been thinking about that the whole time I've been enjoying this halarious thread. If the eve playerbase was as "hardcore" and "Cutthroat" as they want to believe they are over wow players, the responses from post 2-1000 would be asking for chirbra's stuff and telling him to "gtfo".
I gotta admit I like your work, even had a look back through the thread. Farm on
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Semkhet
Spartan Industries
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Posted - 2008.08.27 15:32:00 -
[606]
Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo
Originally by: Semkhet
Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo
Hit head brick wall.
Get a perspective. Anything that someone stops doing, someone else will start doing. If all the vets leave, people will fill the gaps, and there will be profit!
Hit brick wall ? Dude, if vets leave for 30 days, you won't even have enough time to train the beginning of the ingame sp's required to do what they do. But if that's how far your understanding of the game goes... Be my guest
Wow, you mean I single-handedly won't be able to do what all the veteran producers in this game do at once? An amazingly cogent point sir!!! I'm playing eve all alone...
Well, you and your multiple personalities, ergo all the peeps who think they can promote themselves leaders, FC's, industrial tycoons or whatever else in 30 days
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teji
Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.08.27 15:33:00 -
[607]
Originally by: Thargat The capitals in hi-sec were nothing else than a inspiring oddity
Huh? How can you aspire to something that you can never obtain? Your logic is faulty.
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Matalino
Gallente Ki Tech Industries
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Posted - 2008.08.27 15:33:00 -
[608]
Originally by: Jacob Holland If this is because of endemic rules violations, if capitals have been agressing across high sec and the GM team are worked off their feet dealing with them then fine...
If the Veldnaught has broken the rules then fine...
But if this is just the removal of more uniqueness then please don't. What's next? the prize ships? is the Fedathron going to be disappearing because it can't be bought with loyalty points?
This pretty much sums up my thoughts on the matter.
CCP, stop fracking around with stuff that alienates your veteran players while providing no benefit to anyone.
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Aurore Delilah
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Posted - 2008.08.27 15:34:00 -
[609]
Originally by: teji
Originally by: Thargat The capitals in hi-sec were nothing else than a inspiring oddity
Huh? How can you aspire to something that you can never obtain? Your logic is faulty.
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Vienna Gates
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2008.08.27 15:34:00 -
[610]
CCP Nerf Bat perfectly strikes Player Community, wrecking for total ramble.
Honestly, this doesn't surprises me anymore. I have no idea what's on CCP's mind, but it's certaintly not something good.
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Gneeznow
Minmatar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.08.27 15:34:00 -
[611]
Originally by: Kage Getsu
Originally by: Korinn
I'm glad that people with such an intricate knowledge of the game and its community are here, willing and able to provide their amazing insight into the issues at hand
With in excess of 100,000 subscribers why am I supposed to know anything about some guy who used to pull out a capital ship sometimes to show it off in a situation where it's nothing more than a novelty?
this is the video's forum, without chribba and the hosting he provides at his own expense this would probably be empty, If you have ever watched an eve vid, then you can probably thank chribba for that, thats why you should know him.
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Lilin
Eye of God Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.08.27 15:34:00 -
[612]
I hope they change their mind Chribba, or at least give you some explanation
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Kuolematon
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2008.08.27 15:35:00 -
[613]
And after multiple hours, NERD RAGES GOES ON!!!!!!!111
"The Amarr are the tanking and ganking floating rods of goldcrap"
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Krxon Blade
Apogee Group
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Posted - 2008.08.27 15:36:00 -
[614]
Originally by: teji
Huh? How can you aspire to something that you can never obtain? Your logic is faulty.
None of us cannot obtain aircraft carrier, yet they still exists :) -- Eve battle simulator EVE character creator Eve offline game |
Khandara Seraphim
StarHunt Fallout Project
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Posted - 2008.08.27 15:38:00 -
[615]
This is stunning... I never thought I'd see Chribba posting a thread like this.
I'm the last person to rant and rave at CCP when its their game to do with what they want... but why would you do this?
It's almost as though you're TRYING to alienate the community.
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Drunk Driver
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.08.27 15:39:00 -
[616]
You should all shut up.
Batman can explain CCPs new nerf strategy.
CCP asks Batman to explain nerfs.
Be sure to listen for the "and we don't die" part. That applies to carebears.
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Daan Sai
HAZCON Inc
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Posted - 2008.08.27 15:39:00 -
[617]
I hope everyone heading north for the fanfest will be asking pointed questions to CCP people in person, because they sure are not forthcoming here...
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Smagd
Encina Technologies
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Posted - 2008.08.27 15:39:00 -
[618]
Originally by: Krxon Blade
Originally by: teji
Huh? How can you aspire to something that you can never obtain? Your logic is faulty.
None of us cannot obtain aircraft carrier, yet they still exists :)
On more than one account, as high sec capitals CAN be obtained.
See the happy vendor in this very thread stating he was glad he sold it two weeks ago.
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teji
Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.08.27 15:41:00 -
[619]
Originally by: Smagd See the happy vendor in this very thread stating he was glad he sold it two weeks ago.
That would imply that I read this terrible thread except for the op and a few posts at the end.
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Scagga Laebetrovo
Ammatar Free Corps
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Posted - 2008.08.27 15:41:00 -
[620]
Originally by: Semkhet
Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo
Originally by: Semkhet
Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo
Hit head brick wall.
Get a perspective. Anything that someone stops doing, someone else will start doing. If all the vets leave, people will fill the gaps, and there will be profit!
Hit brick wall ? Dude, if vets leave for 30 days, you won't even have enough time to train the beginning of the ingame sp's required to do what they do. But if that's how far your understanding of the game goes... Be my guest
Wow, you mean I single-handedly won't be able to do what all the veteran producers in this game do at once? An amazingly cogent point sir!!! I'm playing eve all alone...
Well, you and your multiple personalities, ergo all the peeps who think they can promote themselves leaders, FC's, industrial tycoons or whatever else in 30 days
With the tycoons and dominators gone, the little guys have a much better chance! Things will be better for others, naturally. Wait a minute, did I say others? Yes, there are other people. "I had a read of the General discussion section. Part of my empathy to my fellow man died." |
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Thargat
Caldari North Star Networks Black Hand.
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Posted - 2008.08.27 15:42:00 -
[621]
Originally by: Kuolematon And after multiple hours, NERD RAGES GOES ON!!!!!!!111
It's called timezones ;p And most people post here ain't nerdy enough to make an alt in an internetspaceshipsgame just to be able to post silly stuff on the forums.
There's only one sig that matters... and that's Radius. |
white kight
SwEaTy ArMpIT RaIDeRs
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Posted - 2008.08.27 15:42:00 -
[622]
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO THEY NERFED THE VELDNOUGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sig removed, inappropriate content. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint |
Stab Wounds
Caldari State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.08.27 15:42:00 -
[623]
Originally by: Semkhet
Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo
Hit head brick wall.
Get a perspective. Anything that someone stops doing, someone else will start doing. If all the vets leave, people will fill the gaps, and there will be profit!
Hit brick wall ? Dude, if vets leave for 30 days, you won't even have enough time to train the beginning of the ingame sp's required to do what they do. But if that's how far your understanding of the game goes... Be my guest
huh
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Smagd
Encina Technologies
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Posted - 2008.08.27 15:42:00 -
[624]
Originally by: Gneeznow
Originally by: Kage Getsu
Originally by: Korinn
I'm glad that people with such an intricate knowledge of the game and its community are here, willing and able to provide their amazing insight into the issues at hand
With in excess of 100,000 subscribers why am I supposed to know anything about some guy who used to pull out a capital ship sometimes to show it off in a situation where it's nothing more than a novelty?
this is the video's forum, without chribba and the hosting he provides at his own expense this would probably be empty, If you have ever watched an eve vid, then you can probably thank chribba for that, thats why you should know him.
Somehow, I don't think Kage is a proper FRICK pilot. A proper FRICK pilot would know of their own corp videos, e. g. [VIDEO] Sharks With Frickin Laser Beams Presents: Elite and guess where it's hosted?
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2008.08.27 15:43:00 -
[625]
Originally by: Daan Sai Shame on CCP for such a short sighted, unannounced, pointless, negative, and diminishing-to-the-game move. I only hope it was by an ignorant newbie GM who really should know better and it will be corrected soon
Though not in "The Shining" sense of corrected.
"When my wife tried to stop me sir..... i corrected her to"
SKUNK
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Scagga Laebetrovo
Ammatar Free Corps
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Posted - 2008.08.27 15:43:00 -
[626]
Originally by: Khandara Seraphim This is stunning... I never thought I'd see Chribba posting a thread like this.
I'm the last person to rant and rave at CCP when its their game to do with what they want... but why would you do this?
It's almost as though you're TRYING to alienate the community.
Try thinking about it the other way. If you publicly insult CCP, why should they be nice to you? "I had a read of the General discussion section. Part of my empathy to my fellow man died." |
N1fty
Amarr Galactic Shipyards Inc HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2008.08.27 15:45:00 -
[627]
There was a senior dev meeting at CCP yesterday, on the issue of the community.
The unanimous decision was that the community needed nerfing and that the veldnaught should be the first to go.
Other matters covered were how to annoy a lot of people most easily, and on how to deal with people who care about the game. For efficiency it was decided that the above measure without providing a reason was sufficient.
On next weeks agenda is the issue of people incorrectly utilising the sandpit.
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Gnulpie
Minmatar Miner Tech
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Posted - 2008.08.27 15:45:00 -
[628]
WTF!!!!
Are you now completely nuts CCP??? Are some ***** ***** now in charge of those decisions?
What is wrong with high sec capitals?! Eh?
If they are used to exploit or used for combat, the current policy is very strict already, cap is removed and player gets a warning/ban.
Aren't you pi*sing off enough player with the upcomming changes? Now you have to kill the veldnaught also? What for??
Why the f**k can't we have peaceful high sec capitals so that some new players/noobs can fly to them and stare at them in awe?!
Why to remove another attraction from Eve?? There are zillions of capitals in low sec/0.0 but only a handful in high sec. So why not keep it like this??
You can spend millions of dollars in great advertisement campaigns. But all these spendings are just wasted if you enforce absolutely moronic decisions like this.
WHY?
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Smagd
Encina Technologies
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Posted - 2008.08.27 15:45:00 -
[629]
Originally by: teji
Originally by: Smagd See the happy vendor in this very thread stating he was glad he sold it two weeks ago.
That would imply that I read this terrible thread except for the op and a few posts at the end.
Or use logic... wait, you're a Goon. Sorry, I didn't see your sign.
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Khaelis
Caldari Fractured Core
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Posted - 2008.08.27 15:46:00 -
[630]
Edited by: Khaelis on 27/08/2008 15:46:29 I was very surprised to see such a thread title posted by Chribba, frankly i'm just generally sick of alot of the whining.
I do feel that this was abit arbitrary and i'm worried about the current development team and the future of the game. More explanation would be great CCP, not just on this. On everything! I check the eve-o site every day for hope of another juicy devblog but they seem to come so slowly now.
Work on your community relations because right now it doesn't look too good.
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2008.08.27 15:47:00 -
[631]
Originally by: Gnulpie
WHY?
The caldari militia noobs. Their reach is deep
SKUNK
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Zaknussem
Caldari The Ironbreakers
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Posted - 2008.08.27 15:47:00 -
[632]
Edited by: Zaknussem on 27/08/2008 15:47:38 Wow, this thread grew by 6 pages while I was reading it. Someone's ****ed.
On one hand, this move is good because it removes an unfair advantage (!) that a handful of players possessed. If you think a non-agressing capital ship in Hi-Sec doesn't constitute an unfair advantage, try killing it. In Chribba's example, he was totally untouchable when mining in his Veldnaught, and someone didn't like that.
On the other hand, the manner in this move is made is phenominally stupid. No pre- or post-communications from CCP, either to the fanbase as a whole or simply to the affected players. A simple announcement of the deed, nothing more. Another result of this is that it removes an unique part of EvE. This sends out the message that if you are doing something special or unique, you will be punished by CCP. Tall Poppy Syndrome indeed.
EDIT: Another page was added while I was writing my post. Someone's very ****ed. |
Scagga Laebetrovo
Ammatar Free Corps
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Posted - 2008.08.27 15:50:00 -
[633]
Originally by: Gnulpie
WHY?
Maybe because it's part of having a level playing field? If the change is so small that it doesn't matter, then this thread is based on...
Well, I'll give you an example:
*Amarr local*
Player A: Hey, look at my revelation-class dreadnought in high sec space!
Player B: Oooh wow! How do I get one?
Player A: Well you can't.
Player B: What! Why?
Player A: Because I was here before you.
Player B: No fair!
Player A: Haha noob get over it! Can I have your stuff?
*NERF*
Player A: Hey I can't have my dread in high sec! WTF this is terrible!
Player B: Well I can't have one either so I don't see why that's a problem
Player A: BUT, I was here FIRST!!! I did x y and z, I deserve something that you can't have!!!
Player B: Go cry about it on general discussion then "I had a read of the General discussion section. Part of my empathy to my fellow man died." |
Semkhet
Spartan Industries
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Posted - 2008.08.27 15:52:00 -
[634]
Edited by: Semkhet on 27/08/2008 15:56:18
Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo With the tycoons and dominators gone, the little guys have a much better chance! Things will be better for others, naturally. Wait a minute, did I say others? Yes, there are other people.
I don't know how old you are (mentally, I mean), and frankly I don't really care. But since we are talking about a supposedly player-driven world, there are some mechanisms which aren't different than those you can find in any endogenic model.
In the case of EvE more specifically, since the player base is mostly divided between long-term players and a volatile mass of 6-months old players, just try to create a corp with only 6 months old players, and be welcome to use whatever they can provide you in every area of the game.
And here you go: your EvE without vets. And without T2 stuff, and without caps, and without POS'es, and without everything which needs more than simple minerals to be built, etc... Cool world frankly. EvE 2004 ? You're really good at regressions dude
You show the same ingenuity as the low-level worker damning the CEO in his Jaguar, conveniently forgetting that it's this guy who's giving him a job and money, and forgetting that it's not the CEO's fault if you didn't make it to get a higher position...
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Traidor Disloyal
I Am Not A Lawyer
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Posted - 2008.08.27 15:53:00 -
[635]
Originally by: teji
Originally by: Traidor Disloyal I got to agree. This would be more fun then watching the implosion of SWG (NGE) and AoC (at release)at the same time.
Crushing the ego of one internet celebrity vs broad (admittedly bad) sweeping changes affecting everyone. I don't think it's really comparable. Though this has a more personal feel which is nice.
The biggest shocker is CCP applying rules equally across everyone here. I mean CCP being impartial? The end times are near.
Chribba crushed? Bah! He knows nothing of being crushed. When one is 8 years old, hands a note to a girl and she asks if it's from your best friend but it's really from you and then she says "I just want to be friends". That's being crushed. What Cribba is experiencing is an inconvenience.
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Scagga Laebetrovo
Ammatar Free Corps
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Posted - 2008.08.27 15:54:00 -
[636]
Originally by: Semkhet
Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo With the tycoons and dominators gone, the little guys have a much better chance! Things will be better for others, naturally. Wait a minute, did I say others? Yes, there are other people.
I don't know how old you are (mentally, I mean), and frankly I don't really care. But since we are talking about a supposedly player-driven world, there are some mechanism which aren't different than those you can find in any endogenic model.
In the case of EvE more specifically, since the player base is mostly divided between long-term players and a volatile mass of 6-months old players, just try to create a corp with only 6 month old players, and be welcome to use what they can provide you in every area of the game.
Here you go: your EvE without vets. And without T2 stuff, and without caps, and without POS'es, and without everything which needs more than simple minerals to be built, etc... Cool world frankly. EvE 2004 ? You're really good at regressions dude
You show the same ingenuity as the low-level worker damning the CEO in his Jaguar, conveniently forgetting that it's this guy who's giving him a job and money, and forgetting that it's not the CEO's fault if you didn't make it to get a higher position...
Ok, next please. Contact me ingame if you want to actually have a discussion where I can demonstrate the patience to show you how every word you put into a sentence is wrong. "I had a read of the General discussion section. Part of my empathy to my fellow man died." |
Tol'uhar
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Posted - 2008.08.27 15:54:00 -
[637]
What is going on at CCP in Iceland?
The last few nerfs are very badly communicated and badly explained. It seems CCP lost touch to the playerbase and the 'feeling' for Eve.
Where are the inspiring and glorious visions of the future? At the moment it just feels like some bureaucrats took over and are killing slowly all the excitement and vision of Eve.
Now this nerf? What is the purpose of it?
The high sec capitals are some oddities and they cannot be used for combat or they are gone faster than you can blink. So they are no threat to anyone.
There are only drawbacks. It is a loss-loss move for CCP.
The high sec caps are some of the rare oddities in Eve where you can look and wonder and as a small and new player you can get inspired of what all could be possible maybe.
Why removing such attractions?!
It looks like everything needs to be the same, no exceptions, no life, all stale and boring same things.
But CCP, don't you know? Being alive means being full of contradictions, being alive means allowing exceptions. Only in death everything is equal.
Do you want to make everything equal, no excceptions? Do you want to kill Eve?
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fairimear
Gallente S.A.S Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2008.08.27 15:54:00 -
[638]
some 1 best get fired.
Makeing your npc hunters SS. |
Kage Getsu
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
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Posted - 2008.08.27 15:54:00 -
[639]
Originally by: Smagd
Somehow, I don't think Kage is a proper FRICK pilot. A proper FRICK pilot would know of their own corp videos, e. g. [VIDEO] Sharks With Frickin Laser Beams Presents: Elite and guess where it's hosted?
When I click a link and download a movie, how am I supposed to know who's providing it or that he owns(owned) a capital ship in high security? _________________________________________________________
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Khandara Seraphim
StarHunt Fallout Project
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Posted - 2008.08.27 15:55:00 -
[640]
Edited by: Khandara Seraphim on 27/08/2008 15:56:51
Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo
Originally by: Gnulpie
WHY?
Maybe because it's part of having a level playing field? If the change is so small that it doesn't matter, then this thread is based on...
Well, I'll give you an example:
*Amarr local*
Player A: Hey, look at my revelation-class dreadnought in high sec space!
Player B: Oooh wow! How do I get one?
Player A: Well you can't.
Player B: What! Why?
Player A: Because I was here before you.
Player B: No fair!
Player A: Haha noob get over it! Can I have your stuff?
*NERF*
Player A: Hey I can't have my dread in high sec! WTF this is terrible!
Player B: Well I can't have one either so I don't see why that's a problem
Player A: BUT, I was here FIRST!!! I did x y and z, I deserve something that you can't have!!!
Player B: Go cry about it on general discussion then
That would be reasonable if all the highsec caps were moved immediately after the loophole that allowed their creation was closed. But they weren't. And while there are a few whiners out there upset that they can't have one, the vast majority of people love the highsec caps as a unique part of the Eve Landscape. And if Chribba didn't spend an absurd amount of time creating out of game resources for the good of the game, and used the veldnaught to wardec and gank newbies, it might make sense. But he hasn't. CCP has benefited immensely from his effort.
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Zaknussem
Caldari The Ironbreakers
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Posted - 2008.08.27 15:55:00 -
[641]
I almost forgot about this quote:
Originally by: "Aralis" Yet more childishness CCP. Do you break stuff for fun?
Funny, I thought that this was what half the EvE-playerbase does. Especially other people's stuff.
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teji
Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.08.27 15:56:00 -
[642]
Edited by: teji on 27/08/2008 15:57:12
Originally by: Semkhet Here you go: your EvE without vets. And without T2 stuff, and without caps, and without POS'es, and without everything which needs more than simple minerals to be built, etc... Cool world frankly. EvE 2004 ? You're really good at regressions dude
That sounds awesome. No caps, no POS, no T2. It's like what eve-online should aspire to be.
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Scagga Laebetrovo
Ammatar Free Corps
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Posted - 2008.08.27 15:57:00 -
[643]
Originally by: Khandara Seraphim
That would be reasonable if all the highsec caps were moved immediately after the loophole that allowed their creation was closed. But they weren't. And while there are a few whiners out there upset that they can't have one, the vast majority of people love the highsec caps as a unique part of the Eve Landscape. And if Chribba didn't spend an absurd amount of time creating out of game resources for the good of the game. CCP has benefited immensely from his effort.
So Khandara, you believe that Chribba, in some way, should be able to dictate CCP's decisions? "I had a read of the General discussion section. Part of my empathy to my fellow man died." |
Richard Garriott
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Posted - 2008.08.27 15:59:00 -
[644]
Reiterating that there is absoloutly nobody that benefits from this change. No positive outcome whatsoever.
Nice job CCP.
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Duncan MacPherson
Minmatar Black Lion Legion
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Posted - 2008.08.27 16:02:00 -
[645]
Originally by: Semkhet
I don't know how old you are (mentally, I mean), and frankly I don't really care. But since we are talking about a supposedly player-driven world, there are some mechanisms which aren't different than those you can find in any endogenic model.
In the case of EvE more specifically, since the player base is mostly divided between long-term players and a volatile mass of 6-months old players, just try to create a corp with only 6 months old players, and be welcome to use whatever they can provide you in every area of the game.
And here you go: your EvE without vets. And without T2 stuff, and without caps, and without POS'es, and without everything which needs more than simple minerals to be built, etc... Cool world frankly. EvE 2004 ? You're really good at regressions dude
You show the same ingenuity as the low-level worker damning the CEO in his Jaguar, conveniently forgetting that it's this guy who's giving him a job and money, and forgetting that it's not the CEO's fault if you didn't make it to get a higher position...
Someone is quite full of himself
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Trilli Shaw
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Posted - 2008.08.27 16:03:00 -
[646]
The advantages of this nerf: zero
The disadvantages of this nerf: lots of upset players, especially vets
Grats ... not
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Semkhet
Spartan Industries
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Posted - 2008.08.27 16:03:00 -
[647]
Originally by: Duncan MacPherson
Originally by: Semkhet
I don't know how old you are (mentally, I mean), and frankly I don't really care. But since we are talking about a supposedly player-driven world, there are some mechanisms which aren't different than those you can find in any endogenic model.
In the case of EvE more specifically, since the player base is mostly divided between long-term players and a volatile mass of 6-months old players, just try to create a corp with only 6 months old players, and be welcome to use whatever they can provide you in every area of the game.
And here you go: your EvE without vets. And without T2 stuff, and without caps, and without POS'es, and without everything which needs more than simple minerals to be built, etc... Cool world frankly. EvE 2004 ? You're really good at regressions dude
You show the same ingenuity as the low-level worker damning the CEO in his Jaguar, conveniently forgetting that it's this guy who's giving him a job and money, and forgetting that it's not the CEO's fault if you didn't make it to get a higher position...
Someone is quite full of himself
Or somebody else isn't enough...
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Scagga Laebetrovo
Ammatar Free Corps
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Posted - 2008.08.27 16:04:00 -
[648]
Originally by: Trilli Shaw The advantages of this nerf: zero
The disadvantages of this nerf: lots of upset players, especially vets
Grats ... not
Advantages:
- Even playing field - Achieving long term goal of removing capitals from high sec "I had a read of the General discussion section. Part of my empathy to my fellow man died." |
NightmareX
MAFIA Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2008.08.27 16:04:00 -
[649]
Edited by: NightmareX on 27/08/2008 16:04:45 I normally don't care about stuffs like this. But when Chribba post a topic like this, something must be very very wrong.
Empire is a place i can't be, so i don't care about what's happening in high sec space.
But when you see how much effort Chribba have put into EVE with his sites and all the other things. Then you know why Chribba is angry when he get slapped in the face by this.
Normally i'm with CCP's decisions, but this one is just way to much.
CCP what the hell are you doing?
Bring back Chribbas Dread to Amarr NOW.
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Lt Jester
Shade.
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Posted - 2008.08.27 16:04:00 -
[650]
Originally by: Trilli Shaw The advantages of this nerf: zero
The disadvantages of this nerf: lots of upset players, especially vets
Grats ... not
Yah i agree, get the veldnaught back in :/
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Keitaro Baka
Babylon Scientific and Industrial Enterprises Babylon Project
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Posted - 2008.08.27 16:04:00 -
[651]
posting again because thread deserves it and CCP has not made anything public themselves..
The whole argument of high sec caps not being fair, because you can't get them anymore is obviously not true. Heck you can even get the Fedathron. It's just gonna cost you. A lot lot. Lot. In real life prolly. Same goes for the t2 bpo's.. you can still get any of them if you just invest enough in them (and they actually exist).
The bigger point for me is people saying Chribba is just like any other player. When any other player bring me the benefits of eve-files I'll agree to that. And if they are trustworthy enough to be used for supercap transfers...
Yeah, Chrib is speshul.
CCP, admit to a mistake and bring back those high sec caps you just moved.
All the stuff above does not necessarily reflect my corp, my alliance or even me.. Drone guide.. |
Reptzo
Channel 4 News Team
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Posted - 2008.08.27 16:05:00 -
[652]
Originally by: Semkhet Edited by: Semkhet on 27/08/2008 15:56:18
Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo With the tycoons and dominators gone, the little guys have a much better chance! Things will be better for others, naturally. Wait a minute, did I say others? Yes, there are other people.
I don't know how old you are (mentally, I mean), and frankly I don't really care. But since we are talking about a supposedly player-driven world, there are some mechanisms which aren't different than those you can find in any endogenic model.
In the case of EvE more specifically, since the player base is mostly divided between long-term players and a volatile mass of 6-months old players, just try to create a corp with only 6 months old players, and be welcome to use whatever they can provide you in every area of the game.
And here you go: your EvE without vets. And without T2 stuff, and without caps, and without POS'es, and without everything which needs more than simple minerals to be built, etc... Cool world frankly. EvE 2004 ? You're really good at regressions dude
You show the same ingenuity as the low-level worker damning the CEO in his Jaguar, conveniently forgetting that it's this guy who's giving him a job and money, and forgetting that it's not the CEO's fault if you didn't make it to get a higher position...
I have to agree with Scagga. I am always amazed at the self importance people have about being vets. Personally, I am always amazed that someone actually thinks the old players matter. They don't matter, AT ALL. If the vets left, eve would be like the wild west of America, insane gold rushes to 0.0, markets would go crazy, war would be insane. Than, like 2-3 months later, everything would be the way it was, but with different names, but people would get in their routines, and life would continue. I mean, seriously, did eve start with 50mil sp players?? NO. And it doesn't need them to continue.
And in case your wondering, I have 55 mil sp, and I like having lots of sp, so I am not complaining about high level peeps. I mean seriously, in a game with over 250,000 players, if 10000 quit, there would be only a small reaction, and it might be good for eve.
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Dirk Magnum
Spearhead Endeavors
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Posted - 2008.08.27 16:06:00 -
[653]
Just give us some kind of flipping comment on this, CCP. We all know you're watching this thread like hawks for spam and abusive language. Now recruiting! Click FFS! :X |
teji
Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.08.27 16:07:00 -
[654]
Originally by: Trilli Shaw The advantages of this nerf: zero The disadvantages of this nerf: lots of upset players, especially vets Grats ... not
Advantages: Internet celebrity complaining about losing his special privilege. Disadvantages: none
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Silicis Raptor
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Posted - 2008.08.27 16:09:00 -
[655]
/kill ccp
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Cailais
Amarr VITOC
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Posted - 2008.08.27 16:10:00 -
[656]
I think its appalling that CCP cant even be arsed to respond - nothing, nada, zilch.
Im generally pretty supportive of most of the game changes CCP introduce, but this one - and the way its been done - is frankly the poorest treatment of a customer base Ive seen in a game for quite some time.
Where are the 'community reps' eh? Where's the dev blog? Hmm?
Total ****ing balls up.
C.
Originally by: Tarminic Your continued whining is somewhat diminished by your continued willingness to give your money to CCP.
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Cyberman Mastermind
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Posted - 2008.08.27 16:10:00 -
[657]
Originally by: teji Advantages: Internet celebrity complaining about losing his special privilege.
I realize you're just trolling, but - what special privilege? It's not like only characters named "Chribba" can have a high-sec cap. |
Shamharoth
Gallente Beach Boys BeachBoys
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Posted - 2008.08.27 16:10:00 -
[658]
I bet it was CCP Dionysus trying to fit his vagabond and just pressed the wrong button.
They'll fix it when they fix LUDICROUS CAPS.
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Kage Getsu
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
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Posted - 2008.08.27 16:12:00 -
[659]
Originally by: Cyberman Mastermind
I realize you're just trolling, but - what special privilege? It's not like only characters named "Chribba" can have a high-sec cap.
This was a retroactive change to remove any inconsistencies from the game that arose when capital ships were restricted to be built in low security systems only. If Chribba was immune to this then he would have been receiving special favours. Luckily CCP is not playing favourites and made the right choice. _________________________________________________________
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Letouk Mernel
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Posted - 2008.08.27 16:12:00 -
[660]
Chribba, any free advertising you do for EVE and any side benefits that CCP derives from your efforts... NERF IT. No more. Be a "regular player" like they want you to. Set up interviews with everyone who featured your tatoo picture and previous comments, and focus on all the bugs and everything that sucks about this game, etc. See what happens.
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Trilli Shaw
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Posted - 2008.08.27 16:12:00 -
[661]
Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo
Originally by: Trilli Shaw The advantages of this nerf: zero
The disadvantages of this nerf: lots of upset players, especially vets
Advantages:
- Even playing field - Achieving long term goal of removing capitals from high sec
You want an 'even' playing field? There is no EVEN playing field!!
The only even playing field would be if everyone has the same amount of SP, the same amount of isk, everything the same.
I want variation! Rare oddities! Peculiar things! I want an Eve alive where you can stumble upon exotic things. If everyone can have everything it is VERY boring!
And tell me, how are those high sec caps an unfair advantage for the owners? They cannot use it in combat. They can only show it off a bit, at the risk of getting it killed very quickly.
You want an even playerfield? And who are you? I haven't heard anything that you improved Eve, neither out of game nor in game. Chribba is very active, Eve wouldn't be what it is now without him. If you want an EVEN playerfield you have to be consequent and forbid all those activities like eve-files and the chribba's love cans - because they make the playerfield uneven also.
Those caps give damn no advantage to anyone. It is only that some spoiled brats cannot stand that they cannot have everything and then they whined to some favoured devs. Maybe the IA guy should have a look at this!
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Ishina Fel
Caldari Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2008.08.27 16:13:00 -
[662]
Irregardless of what's right or wrong in the discussion of capitals in highsec, and who should or should not be able to own them...
...someone at CCP's policy department is doing their job horribly wrong.
The (in game balance terms) utter banality and irrelevance of the issue that this policy change addresses is staggering. It is compareable to a third-world country torn by famine and crime, where the government releases a new law that forbids the cutting of english lawn with nail scissors. It is completely ignorant of everything that goes on in the country, affects just about nobody at all, and will STILL raise a storm of public anger. Hmmm, I wonder why?
CCP, why are you paying these guys money to spend their time wallowing in utter irrelevance, and occasionally trolling the community with moves like this? It is not even coordinated with the rest of CCP, as has been pointed out before, referencing the official presentation that quoted Chribba as a highsec cap pilot only two weeks ago or so. Clearly this department has been left alone for way too long.
All in all, the move has achieved absolutely nothing, did not prevent anything from happening ingame, did not encourage anything to happen ingame. Yet it made a lot of players really angry, made the EVE universe just a tad more monotonous, and made CCP look really really silly and unorganized.
Good job, really.
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Richard Garriott
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Posted - 2008.08.27 16:15:00 -
[663]
Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo
- Even playing field
While were at it everyone should have 80m sp, +5s and a few billion isk too, right?
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Scagga Laebetrovo
Ammatar Free Corps
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Posted - 2008.08.27 16:15:00 -
[664]
Originally by: Ishina Fel
All in all, the move has achieved absolutely nothing, did not prevent anything from happening ingame, did not encourage anything to happen ingame.
So why are people angry? By your logic, nothing's wrong with this move right? "I had a read of the General discussion section. Part of my empathy to my fellow man died." |
S1r Minealot
Shade.
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Posted - 2008.08.27 16:15:00 -
[665]
guys guys relax it's all part of the "fix the lag plan" of CCP, they are upsetting the player base that much lately that a lot of them will leave.. so lag is fixed.. you all know which dev came up with this idea
*tinfoil off*
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Scagga Laebetrovo
Ammatar Free Corps
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Posted - 2008.08.27 16:16:00 -
[666]
Originally by: Richard Garriott
Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo
- Even playing field
While were at it everyone should have 80m sp, +5s and a few billion isk too, right?
I think that is an excellent idea! *sarks*
Anyone can achieve 80m sp, +5s and a few billion isk, so there is indeed a level playing field in that respect. However, nobody could achieve a cap in high sec - there is a difference between difficult and impossible, sir. "I had a read of the General discussion section. Part of my empathy to my fellow man died." |
Vitrael
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.08.27 16:16:00 -
[667]
CCP ->
You are really not the same.
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Drebble
Gallente North Star Networks Black Hand.
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Posted - 2008.08.27 16:17:00 -
[668]
Originally by: Ishina Fel
...The (in game balance terms) utter banality and irrelevance of the issue that this policy change addresses is staggering. It is compareable to a third-world country torn by famine and crime, where the government releases a new law that forbids the cutting of english lawn with nail scissors. It is completely ignorant of everything that goes on in the country, affects just about nobody at all, and will STILL raise a storm of public anger. Hmmm, I wonder why?
This is not only spot on, but made me laugh too!
//Drebble (Still pondering on that tricky question posed earlier.)
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Traidor Disloyal
I Am Not A Lawyer
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Posted - 2008.08.27 16:17:00 -
[669]
Originally by: Ishina Fel All in all, the move has achieved absolutely nothing
It's done a damn good job of entertaining me. And that is not an easy thing to do because I am not easily amused.
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Dirk Magnum
Spearhead Endeavors
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Posted - 2008.08.27 16:18:00 -
[670]
Originally by: Kage Getsu
Originally by: Cyberman Mastermind
I realize you're just trolling, but - what special privilege? It's not like only characters named "Chribba" can have a high-sec cap.
This was a retroactive change to remove any inconsistencies from the game that arose when capital ships were restricted to be built in low security systems only. If Chribba was immune to this then he would have been receiving special favours. Luckily CCP is not playing favourites and made the right choice.
CCP has a history of rewarding individuals. Anyone who's ever won a unique ship for example. Also, anyone who's corp got a news entry devoted to it because of the corp's unique or innovative purpose within the game (Tchell and the Ninjas, for instance.) Chribba was being rewarded with High Sec caps (and apparently there were others who also still had them) because not only was he using them non-aggressively, but he was frickin mining with them. Mining. And of course on top of that there's all the services he offers and the fact that he's the only person in this game that most of us would trust with a third-party exchange. Now recruiting! Click FFS! :X |
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Cyberman Mastermind
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Posted - 2008.08.27 16:18:00 -
[671]
Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo However, nobody could achieve a cap in high sec - there is a difference between difficult and impossible, sir.
If your pockets are deep enough (and filled with money), it should be no problem to get a high-sec cap. Sooner or later, most people would be willing to sell, I'm sure. |
Scagga Laebetrovo
Ammatar Free Corps
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Posted - 2008.08.27 16:19:00 -
[672]
Originally by: Cyberman Mastermind
Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo However, nobody could achieve a cap in high sec - there is a difference between difficult and impossible, sir.
If your pockets are deep enough (and filled with money), it should be no problem to get a high-sec cap. Sooner or later, most people would be willing to sell, I'm sure.
That is not a cogent argument. "I had a read of the General discussion section. Part of my empathy to my fellow man died." |
Captain Richthofen
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Posted - 2008.08.27 16:19:00 -
[673]
Come on ccp what in the world were you thinking? The speed nerf I can handle even though I may not like it. But this is to much Chribba has every right to have a cap ship in high sec. This is just moronic and not at all like ccp was when I joined this game.
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Richard Garriott
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Posted - 2008.08.27 16:20:00 -
[674]
Edited by: Richard Garriott on 27/08/2008 16:20:13
Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo
Originally by: Richard Garriott
Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo
- Even playing field
While were at it everyone should have 80m sp, +5s and a few billion isk too, right?
I think that is an excellent idea! *sarks*
Anyone can achieve 80m sp, +5s and a few billion isk, so there is indeed a level playing field in that respect. However, nobody could achieve a cap in high sec - there is a difference between difficult and impossible, sir.
If and when a new player achieves 80m sp, they still wont ever be ahead of a beta player who currently has 80m sp. Then again the new player could grind some ISK and buy an 80m sp beta character. Then again, that player could also buy the Pheonix currently for sale in Sobaseki, now couldn't he?
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Semkhet
Spartan Industries
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Posted - 2008.08.27 16:21:00 -
[675]
Originally by: Reptzo I have to agree with Scagga. I am always amazed at the self importance people have about being vets. Personally, I am always amazed that someone actually thinks the old players matter. They don't matter, AT ALL. If the vets left, eve would be like the wild west of America, insane gold rushes to 0.0, markets would go crazy, war would be insane. Than, like 2-3 months later, everything would be the way it was, but with different names, but people would get in their routines, and life would continue. I mean, seriously, did eve start with 50mil sp players?? NO. And it doesn't need them to continue.
And in case your wondering, I have 55 mil sp, and I like having lots of sp, so I am not complaining about high level peeps. I mean seriously, in a game with over 250,000 players, if 10000 quit, there would be only a small reaction, and it might be good for eve.
It has nothing to do with self-importance. Reactions like yours or Scagga are the mirror of your thoughts. It's in RL that winning counts, and not in a space-game. ****y & egocentric players by definition are those who drown into their unused testosterone which is far to be my case.
More time passes by, less I log on. In fact, I only maintain all my subs in the hope that CCP will get their act together and correct the angle. So far this hasn't been the case and if EvE stays on its current path, I will probably let my subs expire in spring.
Now there aren't 250'000 peeps playing EvE. These are 250'000 subs. And I could show you corps in EvE with 30 members and 90 accounts...
BTW, to follow your figures, 10000 players quitting translate into a monthly lack of income ranging anywhere between 150K USD and 150K Ç. If you think that CCP will serve you better while making less cash, you certainly never managed any decent amount of money in RL.
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Ishina Fel
Caldari Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2008.08.27 16:21:00 -
[676]
Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo
Originally by: Ishina Fel
All in all, the move has achieved absolutely nothing, did not prevent anything from happening ingame, did not encourage anything to happen ingame.
So why are people angry? By your logic, nothing's wrong with this move right?
Please do not reply to my posts before you have not read them in their entirety. Thank you.
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Cyberman Mastermind
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Posted - 2008.08.27 16:22:00 -
[677]
Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo That is not a cogent argument.
It's not easy. Not something a casual player could achieve. But it's not impossible and apparently has happened only recently(someone in here wrote about selling a high-sec capital). |
Daan Sai
HAZCON Inc
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Posted - 2008.08.27 16:22:00 -
[678]
Is there any way to escalate this and make contact directly with, say, Oveur and get an official response on this? The frustration is building, and CCPs new forum policies are not helping here.
I think Ethaet summed up nicely how it feels:
http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/0808/chribbahate.jpg
Part of CCP obviously likes what the Chribba and the Veldnaught does for the game, but some other part is intent on just throwing away the goodwill. .
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Cailais
Amarr VITOC
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Posted - 2008.08.27 16:22:00 -
[679]
Originally by: Vitrael CCP ->
You are really not the same.
Agreed.
Until now I figured the nano-nerf/suicide-gank nerf/nos nerf/damp nerf/nano-nerf etc etc were just CCP adapting towards a greater plan a 'better' plan, but one which still enabled players to become icons in a sandbox universe.
Seems the whiners were right - CCP has devolved into a money grabbing maketeering driven load of old tripe.
C.
Originally by: Tarminic Your continued whining is somewhat diminished by your continued willingness to give your money to CCP.
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Scagga Laebetrovo
Ammatar Free Corps
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Posted - 2008.08.27 16:23:00 -
[680]
Originally by: Ishina Fel
Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo
Originally by: Ishina Fel
All in all, the move has achieved absolutely nothing, did not prevent anything from happening ingame, did not encourage anything to happen ingame.
So why are people angry? By your logic, nothing's wrong with this move right?
Please do not reply to my posts before you have not read them in their entirety. Thank you.
Thanks for the note. I did. Now what do you have to say? "I had a read of the General discussion section. Part of my empathy to my fellow man died." |
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teji
Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.08.27 16:23:00 -
[681]
Originally by: Captain Richthofen Come on ccp what in the world were you thinking? The speed nerf I can handle even though I may not like it. But this is to much Chribba has every right to have a cap ship in high sec. This is just moronic and not at all like ccp was when I joined this game.
You can handle ccp breaking two dozen game mechanics at once but you can't handle them moving a few0 capitals into lowsec to match current game mechanic rules. That's pretty funny.
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Trilli Shaw
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Posted - 2008.08.27 16:23:00 -
[682]
Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo
Originally by: Ishina Fel
All in all, the move has achieved absolutely nothing, did not prevent anything from happening ingame, did not encourage anything to happen ingame.
So why are people angry? By your logic, nothing's wrong with this move right?
Stupid troll is stupid.
Those high sec caps are an attraction and sight-seeing monuments. They pose no threat nor danger because they cannot engange in combat.
They are there for the SHOWCASE. For FUN!
Removing them is bad bad move from CCP. There is absolutly no reason. It only destroys uniquness in Eve. And that is ALWAYS bad.
And seriously, why do they even waste one second of their dev time for this? Aren't there more important matters at hand???
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Traidor Disloyal
I Am Not A Lawyer
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Posted - 2008.08.27 16:23:00 -
[683]
Originally by: Captain Richthofen Chribba has every right to have a cap ship in high sec.
Now I am serious. Why does he have the right to have a cap ship in High Sec?
--------------------------------------------- Love is having a second account with a cov ops pilot |
Dirk Magnum
Spearhead Endeavors
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Posted - 2008.08.27 16:25:00 -
[684]
Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 27/08/2008 16:24:53
Originally by: Traidor Disloyal Now I am serious. Why does he have the right to have a cap ship in High Sec?
Originally by: Dirk Magnum CCP has a history of rewarding individuals. Anyone who's ever won a unique ship for example. Also, anyone who's corp got a news entry devoted to it because of the corp's unique or innovative purpose within the game (Tchell and the Ninjas, for instance.) Chribba was being rewarded with High Sec caps (and apparently there were others who also still had them) because not only was he using them non-aggressively, but he was frickin mining with them. Mining. And of course on top of that there's all the services he offers and the fact that he's the only person in this game that most of us would trust with a third-party exchange.
mmyep Now recruiting! Click FFS! :X |
Hope Xar
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Posted - 2008.08.27 16:25:00 -
[685]
Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo ... nobody could achieve a cap in high sec - there is a difference between difficult and impossible, sir.
Everyone can achieve a high sec cap. Just buy it.
Look at the trade forums, there were enough trades in the past. So stop throwing around completely wrong opinions and stop calling them facts, because they are just lies.
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Scagga Laebetrovo
Ammatar Free Corps
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Posted - 2008.08.27 16:25:00 -
[686]
Originally by: Trilli Shaw
Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo
Originally by: Ishina Fel
All in all, the move has achieved absolutely nothing, did not prevent anything from happening ingame, did not encourage anything to happen ingame.
So why are people angry? By your logic, nothing's wrong with this move right?
Stupid troll is stupid.
Those high sec caps are an attraction and sight-seeing monuments. They pose no threat nor danger because they cannot engange in combat.
They are there for the SHOWCASE. For FUN!
Removing them is bad bad move from CCP. There is absolutly no reason. It only destroys uniquness in Eve. And that is ALWAYS bad.
And seriously, why do they even waste one second of their dev time for this? Aren't there more important matters at hand???
Oh I don't know what to say to this, post with your main? "I had a read of the General discussion section. Part of my empathy to my fellow man died." |
Scagga Laebetrovo
Ammatar Free Corps
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Posted - 2008.08.27 16:26:00 -
[687]
Originally by: Hope Xar
Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo ... nobody could achieve a cap in high sec - there is a difference between difficult and impossible, sir.
Everyone can achieve a high sec cap. Just buy it.
Look at the trade forums, there were enough trades in the past. So stop throwing around completely wrong opinions and stop calling them facts, because they are just lies.
Limited commodity. No, not everyone can do so. If all of them are sold out and suddenly the players were to have moved to the low sec (whence they cannot be returned), what do you do? "I had a read of the General discussion section. Part of my empathy to my fellow man died." |
Kage Getsu
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
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Posted - 2008.08.27 16:27:00 -
[688]
Originally by: Dirk Magnum
Originally by: Dirk Magnum CCP has a history of rewarding individuals. Anyone who's ever won a unique ship for example. Also, anyone who's corp got a news entry devoted to it because of the corp's unique or innovative purpose within the game (Tchell and the Ninjas, for instance.) Chribba was being rewarded with High Sec caps (and apparently there were others who also still had them) because not only was he using them non-aggressively, but he was frickin mining with them. Mining. And of course on top of that there's all the services he offers and the fact that he's the only person in this game that most of us would trust with a third-party exchange.
mmyep
How does winning a unique ship compare to an everyday ship that just happens to be in a weird spot? _________________________________________________________
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Reptzo
Channel 4 News Team
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Posted - 2008.08.27 16:27:00 -
[689]
Originally by: Semkhet
Originally by: Reptzo I said stuff
It has nothing to do with self-importance. Reactions like yours or Scagga are the mirror of your thoughts. It's in RL that winning counts, and not in a space-game. ****y & egocentric players by definition are those who drown into their unused testosterone which is far to be my case.
*****Reptzo here -> Not sure if you are agreeing with me or not*****
More time passes by, less I log on. In fact, I only maintain all my subs in the hope that CCP will get their act together and correct the angle. So far this hasn't been the case and if EvE stays on its current path, I will probably let my subs expire in spring.
Now there aren't 250'000 peeps playing EvE. These are 250'000 subs. And I could show you corps in EvE with 30 members and 90 accounts...
BTW, to follow your figures, 10000 players quitting translate into a monthly lack of income ranging anywhere between 150K USD and 150K Ç. If you think that CCP will serve you better while making less cash, you certainly never managed any decent amount of money in RL.
You are saying that having more money, makes CCP better? By your statement or them having less cash = bad for me.
So what you are saying is that EvE has gotten better and better the more people have sub'd up??? So, your saying you don't play this better EvE, which is made possible by the more money, because you don't like the better EvE?? I like the old EvE, the one where it was hard to get ahead, big things were impossible, big ships nuked little ships, and if you were not in the mafia, you never would be, unless you could prove you were worth their time. I liked the cold harsh, empty EvE, where everything was hard. I only really play now (mostly just log in and chat), because I have played for so long, and don't want to just throw in the towel.
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Erikel
Cosmic Odyssey Cosmic Anomalies
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Posted - 2008.08.27 16:28:00 -
[690]
CCP sorry, but you fail epically on this one.
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Beef Hardslab
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2008.08.27 16:28:00 -
[691]
Boy I sure am glad they are making Eve a nice shiny happy fair place to play, god, it was getting so cutthroat I just wasn't sure if I could handle it anymore! It's almost as if the game were trying to be different. I for one am glad they are finally seeing the light and making this MMO a homogenous experience to rival the other leaders in the MMO industry! A bright future I see indeed!
Why there should be a breathalyzer to login to Eve:
Originally by: Alliaanna Dalaii Podding my own alt in a gatecamp while drunk, he was carrying a hauler full of tech II goods, Oops.
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Barbens
Sky Net Industries Pure.
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Posted - 2008.08.27 16:30:00 -
[692]
I supports Chribba! Down with this policy!
BaRbEnS
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Drebble
Gallente North Star Networks Black Hand.
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Posted - 2008.08.27 16:31:00 -
[693]
Originally by: Beef Hardslab Boy I sure am glad they are making Eve a nice shiny happy fair place to play, god, it was getting so cutthroat I just wasn't sure if I could handle it anymore! It's almost as if the game were trying to be different. I for one am glad they are finally seeing the light and making this MMO a homogenous experience to rival the other leaders in the MMO industry! A bright future I see indeed!
Why does this shiny advertisment make Drebble scareded?
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Stork DK
Minmatar Dawn of a new Empire Pure.
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Posted - 2008.08.27 16:31:00 -
[694]
I'd say CCP had more important things to worry about than big epeens in highsec....
imo what you need to do is stop reading my sig ___________
Originally by: CCP Nozh I see you'r nano... And i TAKE IT!!
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Kelli Flay
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Posted - 2008.08.27 16:32:00 -
[695]
Originally by: Semkhet
More time passes by, less I log on. In fact, I only maintain all my subs in the hope that CCP will get their act together and correct the angle. So far this hasn't been the case and if EvE stays on its current path, I will probably let my subs expire in spring.
To be honest, this game could use less people like this. People who don't really play the game any more but instead, hang around the forums and post way more than they play. An attempt to become an "EvE-O forum celebrity" because there is nothing in game which interests them any more. To guys like this, the forums ARE the game and the reason they continue to pay for their subs.
And I thought i wasted my money when I bought cigarettes.
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Traidor Disloyal
I Am Not A Lawyer
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Posted - 2008.08.27 16:33:00 -
[696]
Originally by: Dirk Magnum Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 27/08/2008 16:24:53
Originally by: Traidor Disloyal Now I am serious. Why does he have the right to have a cap ship in High Sec?
Originally by: Dirk Magnum CCP has a history of rewarding individuals. Anyone who's ever won a unique ship for example. Also, anyone who's corp got a news entry devoted to it because of the corp's unique or innovative purpose within the game (Tchell and the Ninjas, for instance.) Chribba was being rewarded with High Sec caps (and apparently there were others who also still had them) because not only was he using them non-aggressively, but he was frickin mining with them. Mining. And of course on top of that there's all the services he offers and the fact that he's the only person in this game that most of us would trust with a third-party exchange.
mmyep
WTF is this? That has nothing to do with his right to have a cap ship in high sec. That's talking about rewards (that can be taken away it seems) and not a right. I have a right to carry a concealed weapon because I have a piece of paper issued by my government that says so (which can also be taken away if I break certain laws). Does Cribba have a piece of paper issued by CCP that says he has a right to have a cap ship in High Sec.
He had a cap ship in High Sec because it was convienent to CCP at the time. That aint a right.
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Shad0w Hawk
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.08.27 16:33:00 -
[697]
Chribba, close your eve sites temporarily until CCP roll this dumb change back.
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Daan Sai
HAZCON Inc
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Posted - 2008.08.27 16:34:00 -
[698]
Originally by: Cailais
Until now I figured the nano-nerf/suicide-gank nerf/nos nerf/damp nerf/nano-nerf etc etc were just CCP adapting towards a greater plan a 'better' plan, but one which still enabled players to become icons in a sandbox universe.
Seems like the original visionaries who got EVE focussed and going are long gone, and we now have a bunch of late comers who mean well, but lack any broad vision or context for what they are doing, acting incoherently. Sign of rapid expansion in a small company perhaps?
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Dahak2150
Chaos Monkeys
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Posted - 2008.08.27 16:34:00 -
[699]
Good job CCP, way to destroy part of your game's player-made history. You know, one of those things that you always tout as distinguishing about this game.
Morons.
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Dirk Magnum
Spearhead Endeavors
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Posted - 2008.08.27 16:35:00 -
[700]
Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 27/08/2008 16:35:20
Originally by: Traidor Disloyal Does Cribba have a piece of paper issued by CCP that says he has a right to have a cap ship in High Sec.
He had a cap ship in High Sec because it was convienent to CCP at the time. That aint a right.
Yes, he had explicit endorsement from CCP to have High Sec cap ships. Also it wasn't convenient to CCP to let him have those. It would have been convenient to move Chribba's out of High Sec back when they moved out everyone else's, but they made an exception for him and a few others who had turned their Caps into weapons of love tbh. Now recruiting! Click FFS! :X |
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Sihar
Sihars Little Industries
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Posted - 2008.08.27 16:35:00 -
[701]
This is not the CCP I know when I joined this game 2 1/2 years ago.
Did they grow to fast and are to large now? Where are the grand visions of an unique and exciting space game?
Certainly it doesn't sound exciting when I read the tweaks and nerfs during the last year. And now this. Good grief, what use does it have?
CCP should be PROUD that there are players like Chribba and REWARD them and set a bright example so that other people follow this good example and do nice things on their own also.
But instead they PUNISH him for all what he did. That is really not a nice encouragement to spend time and energy into Eve and help making it thrive. That will discourage a lot of people because they are really upset. And without people like Chribba Eve will be dead very fast. It is the PLAYERS who make a game alive and worth to play.
Certainly the worst change ever.
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jdok
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.08.27 16:37:00 -
[702]
so, um.. how much is it to get that tattoo removed? ___________________________
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Daan Sai
HAZCON Inc
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Posted - 2008.08.27 16:37:00 -
[703]
Originally by: Traidor Disloyal Does Cribba have a piece of paper issued by CCP that says he has a right to have a cap ship in High Sec.
Effectively yes, he and all the high sec cap owners did, there were in place a set of rules governing the situation, that have worked fine for years.
He built it when it was perfectly legal to do so, this just smacks of ignorance (hopefully) or retrospective legislation (shudder).
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Scagga Laebetrovo
Ammatar Free Corps
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Posted - 2008.08.27 16:38:00 -
[704]
Originally by: jdok so, um.. how much is it to get that tattoo removed?
lol "I had a read of the General discussion section. Part of my empathy to my fellow man died." |
Richard Garriott
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Posted - 2008.08.27 16:38:00 -
[705]
Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo
Originally by: Hope Xar
Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo ... nobody could achieve a cap in high sec - there is a difference between difficult and impossible, sir.
Everyone can achieve a high sec cap. Just buy it.
Look at the trade forums, there were enough trades in the past. So stop throwing around completely wrong opinions and stop calling them facts, because they are just lies.
Limited commodity. No, not everyone can do so. If all of them are sold out and suddenly the players were to have moved to the low sec (whence they cannot be returned), what do you do?
I see them on sale far more often then the Fedathron or Impoc. Perhaps we should all get one of those too. No fair that Entity has all the things he worked for and I don't.
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Kvaell
Minmatar Terra Incognita Vanguard.
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Posted - 2008.08.27 16:39:00 -
[706]
Save the Veldnaught
Really, the high sec capitals had no real value and use, but it is one of the few ways to see the capitals without moving to low sec.
Bring them back to high sec. __________________________________________________
Terra Incognita, mare nostrum
Originally by: Dark Voynix
What are you? Just a half-failed BPC copy of an unresearched troll BPO ?
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N1fty
Amarr Galactic Shipyards Inc HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2008.08.27 16:40:00 -
[707]
Originally by: Daan Sai
Originally by: Traidor Disloyal Does Cribba have a piece of paper issued by CCP that says he has a right to have a cap ship in High Sec.
Effectively yes, he and all the high sec cap owners did, there were in place a set of rules governing the situation, that have worked fine for years.
He built it when it was perfectly legal to do so, this just smacks of ignorance (hopefully) or retrospective legislation (shudder).
As far as I know (could be wrong) the first dread in the game was the Veldnaught, that's when I first heard of Chribba.
First Titan in the game; given a monument. First ever capship; kicked out of empire.
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Smagd
Encina Technologies
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Posted - 2008.08.27 16:40:00 -
[708]
Originally by: Dahak2150 Good job CCP, way to destroy part of your game's player-made history. You know, one of those things that you always tout as distinguishing about this game.
Exactly.
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Kage Getsu
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
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Posted - 2008.08.27 16:40:00 -
[709]
Originally by: jdok so, um.. how much is it to get that tattoo removed?
What tattoo does he have? It isn't that really ugly Caldari female tattoo is it? _________________________________________________________
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Scagga Laebetrovo
Ammatar Free Corps
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Posted - 2008.08.27 16:41:00 -
[710]
Originally by: Richard Garriott
Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo
Originally by: Hope Xar
Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo ... nobody could achieve a cap in high sec - there is a difference between difficult and impossible, sir.
Everyone can achieve a high sec cap. Just buy it.
Look at the trade forums, there were enough trades in the past. So stop throwing around completely wrong opinions and stop calling them facts, because they are just lies.
Limited commodity. No, not everyone can do so. If all of them are sold out and suddenly the players were to have moved to the low sec (whence they cannot be returned), what do you do?
I see them on sale far more often then the Fedathron or Impoc. Perhaps we should all get one of those too. No fair that Entity has all the things he worked for and I don't.
Personally I think items such as the Impoc/Fedathron should be attainable via the LP stores (at an extortionate price), but that's a completely different discussion. "I had a read of the General discussion section. Part of my empathy to my fellow man died." |
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teji
Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.08.27 16:41:00 -
[711]
Originally by: Daan Sai
Originally by: Traidor Disloyal Does Cribba have a piece of paper issued by CCP that says he has a right to have a cap ship in High Sec.
Effectively yes, he and all the high sec cap owners did, there were in place a set of rules governing the situation, that have worked fine for years.
He built it when it was perfectly legal to do so, this just smacks of ignorance (hopefully) or retrospective legislation (shudder).
I hate to break it to you but you have never had any rights to anything in game. CCP has retained those rights.
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Case Kovaks
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2008.08.27 16:42:00 -
[712]
Originally by: Kage Getsu
Originally by: jdok so, um.. how much is it to get that tattoo removed?
What tattoo does he have? It isn't that really ugly Caldari female tattoo is it?
Nah, hes got a veldspar one!
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Bombs
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Posted - 2008.08.27 16:42:00 -
[713]
Edited by: Bombs on 27/08/2008 16:42:35
Originally by: Case Kovaks
Originally by: Kage Getsu
Originally by: jdok so, um.. how much is it to get that tattoo removed?
What tattoo does he have? It isn't that really ugly Caldari female tattoo is it?
Nah, hes got a veldspar one!
That's good, I was worried for a moment.
Blasted enter key posting on my alt!
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nashi
New Genesis Project
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Posted - 2008.08.27 16:44:00 -
[714]
I'm a Vet player, Date Of Birth 2003.06.06 12:55:00 (I think there are only a few hundred of us old characters still around)
I've been in Eve since Beta 3 (that's a total of 6 years in Sept.)
I'm a part of Eve's history (Part of Detaitiv's 2nd Place team in first Alliance Tourament.)
I fully support Chribba and the other High-Sec Cap ship owners. They followed the rules, they should not be punished. Arbitary changes because are not enough to keep this game fun and intresting. Devs, please remember that it's the players that make 99% of the content in this game. Don't forget that.
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Anti Protagonist
Hiro Trade and Logistics
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Posted - 2008.08.27 16:45:00 -
[715]
Originally by: ArmyOfMe will this veldnaught thread turn into a threadnaught?
I do believe it has...
As for the topic at hand...wtf?
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Dirk Magnum
Spearhead Endeavors
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Posted - 2008.08.27 16:45:00 -
[716]
Originally by: teji
Originally by: Daan Sai
Originally by: Traidor Disloyal Does Cribba have a piece of paper issued by CCP that says he has a right to have a cap ship in High Sec.
Effectively yes, he and all the high sec cap owners did, there were in place a set of rules governing the situation, that have worked fine for years.
He built it when it was perfectly legal to do so, this just smacks of ignorance (hopefully) or retrospective legislation (shudder).
I hate to break it to you but you have never had any rights to anything in game. CCP has retained those rights.
Okay fine. Chribba had the endorsement of CCP for those ships, but not the "right". Whatever. The fact that they decide to move them now, without any notification and apparently without any reason, is the silly thing. Now recruiting! Click FFS! :X |
Lucas Avignon
Avignon Associates Inc.
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Posted - 2008.08.27 16:45:00 -
[717]
As many people have said, nothing positive or good comes of this move, it only takes from the game.
CCP have been making a load of questionable decisions recently from removing moms/titans from the game to the ott nano nerf and suicide ganking nerf. And now this irrelevant waste of time.
Seems the broader vision atm is to make the game more carebear friendly, remove risk in high sec and destroy part of the unique history of Eve in the process.
Originally by: CCP Prism X Yeah, and while we're at it we can create a controlled environment around account hacking and credit card fraud and all the other EULA breaches..
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0uch
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Posted - 2008.08.27 16:46:00 -
[718]
Originally by: teji
Originally by: Daan Sai
Originally by: Traidor Disloyal Does Cribba have a piece of paper issued by CCP that says he has a right to have a cap ship in High Sec.
Effectively yes, he and all the high sec cap owners did, there were in place a set of rules governing the situation, that have worked fine for years.
He built it when it was perfectly legal to do so, this just smacks of ignorance (hopefully) or retrospective legislation (shudder).
I hate to break it to you but you have never had any rights to anything in game. CCP has retained those rights.
keep going like this ccp soon only childish goons will be left to pay your wages
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Traidor Disloyal
I Am Not A Lawyer
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Posted - 2008.08.27 16:46:00 -
[719]
Originally by: Dirk Magnum Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 27/08/2008 16:35:20
Originally by: Traidor Disloyal Does Cribba have a piece of paper issued by CCP that says he has a right to have a cap ship in High Sec.
He had a cap ship in High Sec because it was convienent to CCP at the time. That aint a right.
Yes, he had explicit endorsement from CCP to have High Sec cap ships. Also it wasn't convenient to CCP to let him have those. It would have been convenient to move Chribba's out of High Sec back when they moved out everyone else's, but they made an exception for him and a few others who had turned their Caps into weapons of love tbh.
Still, it is not a right to have one in High Sec.
The sooner people realize that this is a game owned by CCP and thus under the rules of CCP they will have a lot less heartburn when it comes to game changes. He had his fun with that cap ship. I am sure he has made a profit with it. Now he just has to place guns on it if he still wants to fly it. Crap happens. Get over it. Move on. Water under the bridge.
If CCP goes back on letting just him have his oh so unique cap ship in high sec they will look like fools. Caving, in record time I might add, to the whinny babies on the forum. Caving to something that has nothing to do with the actual game play itself. I could care less if he leaves the game in the next five minutes because he is ticked off at what CCP did to him. I could care less if you all left in protest with him.
It's a game, get over yourselves.
--------------------------------------------- Love is having a second account with a cov ops pilot |
Lilin
Eye of God Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.08.27 16:48:00 -
[720]
Originally by: Traidor Disloyal
Originally by: Dirk Magnum Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 27/08/2008 16:35:20
Originally by: Traidor Disloyal Does Cribba have a piece of paper issued by CCP that says he has a right to have a cap ship in High Sec.
He had a cap ship in High Sec because it was convienent to CCP at the time. That aint a right.
Yes, he had explicit endorsement from CCP to have High Sec cap ships. Also it wasn't convenient to CCP to let him have those. It would have been convenient to move Chribba's out of High Sec back when they moved out everyone else's, but they made an exception for him and a few others who had turned their Caps into weapons of love tbh.
Still, it is not a right to have one in High Sec.
The sooner people realize that this is a game owned by CCP and thus under the rules of CCP they will have a lot less heartburn when it comes to game changes. He had his fun with that cap ship. I am sure he has made a profit with it. Now he just has to place guns on it if he still wants to fly it. Crap happens. Get over it. Move on. Water under the bridge.
If CCP goes back on letting just him have his oh so unique cap ship in high sec they will look like fools. Caving, in record time I might add, to the whinny babies on the forum. Caving to something that has nothing to do with the actual game play itself. I could care less if he leaves the game in the next five minutes because he is ticked off at what CCP did to him. I could care less if you all left in protest with him.
It's a game, get over yourselves.
Thats quite a lot of text for someone who doesn't care :D
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teji
Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.08.27 16:48:00 -
[721]
Originally by: Dirk Magnum Okay fine. Chribba had the endorsement of CCP for those ships, but not the "right". Whatever. The fact that they decide to move them now, without any notification and apparently without any reason, is the silly thing.
I would imagine they are getting ready for the Orca. Or maybe they are just finally applying the new game mechanics to everyone like they should have done at the beginning.
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Hope Xar
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Posted - 2008.08.27 16:49:00 -
[722]
Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo Personally I think items such as the Impoc/Fedathron should be attainable via the LP stores (at an extortionate price), but that's a completely different discussion.
You don't get it, do you?
Unique items is what the game makes interesting and special.
If everyone can get everything, then the game is dead pretty soon. Died because of boredom.
The high sec capitals are very few and rare. It was not like that they were abundant and causing troubles in any way.
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Scagga Laebetrovo
Ammatar Free Corps
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Posted - 2008.08.27 16:50:00 -
[723]
Originally by: Hope Xar
Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo Personally I think items such as the Impoc/Fedathron should be attainable via the LP stores (at an extortionate price), but that's a completely different discussion.
You don't get it, do you?
Unique items is what the game makes interesting and special.
If everyone can get everything, then the game is dead pretty soon. Died because of boredom.
The high sec capitals are very few and rare. It was not like that they were abundant and causing troubles in any way.
I will call the proleteriat on your a** bruah "I had a read of the General discussion section. Part of my empathy to my fellow man died." |
Traidor Disloyal
I Am Not A Lawyer
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Posted - 2008.08.27 16:51:00 -
[724]
Originally by: Lilin
Originally by: Traidor Disloyal
Originally by: Dirk Magnum Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 27/08/2008 16:35:20
Originally by: Traidor Disloyal Does Cribba have a piece of paper issued by CCP that says he has a right to have a cap ship in High Sec.
He had a cap ship in High Sec because it was convienent to CCP at the time. That aint a right.
Yes, he had explicit endorsement from CCP to have High Sec cap ships. Also it wasn't convenient to CCP to let him have those. It would have been convenient to move Chribba's out of High Sec back when they moved out everyone else's, but they made an exception for him and a few others who had turned their Caps into weapons of love tbh.
Still, it is not a right to have one in High Sec.
The sooner people realize that this is a game owned by CCP and thus under the rules of CCP they will have a lot less heartburn when it comes to game changes. He had his fun with that cap ship. I am sure he has made a profit with it. Now he just has to place guns on it if he still wants to fly it. Crap happens. Get over it. Move on. Water under the bridge.
If CCP goes back on letting just him have his oh so unique cap ship in high sec they will look like fools. Caving, in record time I might add, to the whinny babies on the forum. Caving to something that has nothing to do with the actual game play itself. I could care less if he leaves the game in the next five minutes because he is ticked off at what CCP did to him. I could care less if you all left in protest with him.
It's a game, get over yourselves.
Thats quite a lot of text for someone who doesn't care :D
I said I didn't care if he and all you left the game. I do care, very much, about this thread. My lunch hour isn't over yet.
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Cpt Branko
Surge.
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Posted - 2008.08.27 16:51:00 -
[725]
Edited by: Cpt Branko on 27/08/2008 16:52:07 The whole discussion about 'rights' is silly.
What is the rationale for removing them from high-sec? They don't really do anything - except provide flavour to the game and are a rare commodity of sorts. There is simply no reason to arbitrarily nerf them, and, yes, they enrich EvE on the whole.
EvE without collector's items would be a poorer game on the whole.
The fact you cannot afford them doesn't mean they shouldn't exist, and they are de-facto monuments of EvE history. High-sec capitals are one of those things, and killing them just renders the EvE universe poorer.
Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint |
Proxay
Gallente Fallen Angel's Blade.
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Posted - 2008.08.27 16:51:00 -
[726]
IF IT AIN'T BROKE, DON'T FIX IT.
Put the caps back where they were.
Maybe we're recruiting, I don't know, spam eve-mails to Daniel Zorg, and go into a coma for a week. |
Semkhet
Spartan Industries
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Posted - 2008.08.27 16:51:00 -
[727]
Originally by: Reptzo
You are saying that having more money, makes CCP better? By your statement or them having less cash = bad for me.
So what you are saying is that EvE has gotten better and better the more people have sub'd up??? So, your saying you don't play this better EvE, which is made possible by the more money, because you don't like the better EvE?? I like the old EvE, the one where it was hard to get ahead, big things were impossible, big ships nuked little ships, and if you were not in the mafia, you never would be, unless you could prove you were worth their time. I liked the cold harsh, empty EvE, where everything was hard. I only really play now (mostly just log in and chat), because I have played for so long, and don't want to just throw in the towel.
Let's say it that way: for every venture, there is what you could call a "critical mass", which corresponds to the best income vs overhead. IMHO, CCP never managed to define with any solid long-term vision where should this "critical mass" stand.
There are structural problems within this game like lag that CCP is dragging since day one. Nowadays not even the item database on the web site is up-to-date. There are bugs everywhere, just to name one, the AI is still unable to perform garbage collection in order to automatically destroy nonexistent objects, etc, etc, etc...
And despite being perfectly aware about a multitude of imperfections, CCP just seem to care about providing new content. Now software engineering is not so different than real estate building from a reliability perspective: you can't get a solid product if the foundations suffer flaws.
I can still cope with all that and the resulting jewels, like for example loosing a full faction ceptor plus a snake pod to a huginn which scrambled and webbed me before even appearing on my overview (thx to lag again). Shit happens and that's it. No problem here. What instead is slowly pushing me to consider EvE a lost case is the seemingly erratic decision-making process which plagues CCP since a good year I would say.
I did not forget the Windows system files screw up. Frankly, had the Q&A guy worked for me, next day he would have hit the street. But it's worse than that: there's no way such a bug could have gone unforeseen, which IMHO means that for whatever reason, CCP didn't even test a piece of code they distributed to thousands of paying customers.
So there's a moment where you have to draw the line. And seeing how they handled today a player, Chribba, after all the dedication he invested by compensating obvious flaws of this website starts to give me a bad taste in the mouth knowing that my money is landing in the pockets of people showing such disregard.
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Korinn
The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.08.27 16:52:00 -
[728]
Originally by: Traidor Disloyal The sooner people realize that this is a game owned by CCP and thus under the rules of CCP they will have a lot less heartburn when it comes to game changes
They wouldn't own shit without people paying their wages
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Scagga Laebetrovo
Ammatar Free Corps
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Posted - 2008.08.27 16:52:00 -
[729]
Originally by: Cpt Branko EvE without collector's items would be a poorer game on the whole
I don't agree, because I, a member of a majority, don't have one "I had a read of the General discussion section. Part of my empathy to my fellow man died." |
Kage Getsu
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
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Posted - 2008.08.27 16:52:00 -
[730]
Originally by: Hope Xar
Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo Personally I think items such as the Impoc/Fedathron should be attainable via the LP stores (at an extortionate price), but that's a completely different discussion.
You don't get it, do you?
Unique items is what the game makes interesting and special.
If everyone can get everything, then the game is dead pretty soon. Died because of boredom.
The high sec capitals are very few and rare. It was not like that they were abundant and causing troubles in any way.
They're not unique. At best they're the remnants of a patch that should have been cleaned up years ago. _________________________________________________________
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Scagga Laebetrovo
Ammatar Free Corps
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Posted - 2008.08.27 16:53:00 -
[731]
Originally by: Korinn
Originally by: Traidor Disloyal The sooner people realize that this is a game owned by CCP and thus under the rules of CCP they will have a lot less heartburn when it comes to game changes
They wouldn't own shit without people paying their wages
Indeed, and they know that even the whiners come back for their EVE fix. "I had a read of the General discussion section. Part of my empathy to my fellow man died." |
Buildius Maximus
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Posted - 2008.08.27 16:53:00 -
[732]
Reverse the policy CCP
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Kaeten
Hybrid Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.08.27 16:53:00 -
[733]
noooo ________________________ I'M POOR
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Korinn
The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.08.27 16:54:00 -
[734]
Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo
Originally by: Korinn
Originally by: Traidor Disloyal The sooner people realize that this is a game owned by CCP and thus under the rules of CCP they will have a lot less heartburn when it comes to game changes
They wouldn't own shit without people paying their wages
Indeed, and they know that even the whiners come back for their EVE fix.
Yeah well I don't think riding your subscriber base like a squealing piggy is a very nice way to operate, so I'm taking my ball and going home.
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Nekopyat
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Posted - 2008.08.27 16:55:00 -
[735]
Originally by: Lucas Avignon
CCP have been making a load of questionable decisions recently from removing moms/titans from the game to the ott nano nerf and suicide ganking nerf. And now this irrelevant waste of time.
Wait, I think I missed something. What is going on with motherships/titans?
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S1r Minealot
Shade.
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Posted - 2008.08.27 16:55:00 -
[736]
Originally by: Semkhet So there's a moment where you have to draw the line. And seeing how they handled today a player, Chribba, after all the dedication he invested by compensating obvious flaws of this website starts to give me a bad taste in the mouth knowing that my money is landing in the pockets of people showing such disregard.
this ^^
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Daan Sai
HAZCON Inc
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Posted - 2008.08.27 16:56:00 -
[737]
Originally by: Buildius Maximus Reverse the policy CCP
LOL, they just did, we want them to reinstate the long standing policy.
But, yeah, they should fix this mess.
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Verite Rendition
Caldari F.R.E.E. Explorer Elitist Cowards
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Posted - 2008.08.27 16:57:00 -
[738]
Chribba, thank you for the information and I am extremely sorry this had to happen to you. You should have been the last person to lose their Veldnought, not the first.
In return I thank you for bringing this forward in such a thoughtful manner, and for sticking up for all high-sec capital ship pilots and not just yourself. I intend to return the favor.
---
I, like Chribba, am a Veldnought owner (come visit me in Stacmon some time). In the long time that I have owned my mining Phoenix, I have abided by CCP's requirements; I have never abused its power, I have served my role as an icon for the tourists, and in return I have been allowed to continue pulverizing the Veldspar of Stacmon. I worked hard to acquire my ship, and like some people have T2 BPOs and others have their Luxury Yachts, I have owned my ridiculous mining ship as my collectible item in this game.
I see nor know of any reason that these ships should be removed, certainly not now. These ships are the trophies of their owners, representing something fun and unique that many people in this game will never see. To put it bluntly these are the rocks in the sandbox; something that shouldn't be there, and yet they exist and make the sandbox notable and memorable. EVE is that sandbox.
And Chribba above all has put in an unparalleled amount of effort in to improving this game. It is with the utmost dissatisfaction and disapproval that the man who has done the most for the game gets the least in return, by being unfairly stripped of his prize possession. If there can be only one Veldnought, then without a doubt it should be his, but instead he is the first to lose.
My closing thoughts are these:
CCP, we have held up our end of the bargain. Will you be holding up yours? ---- FREE Explorer Lead Megalomanic EVE Null-Sec Player Influence Map http://dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/Veritefw/FWinf |
Reptzo
Channel 4 News Team
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Posted - 2008.08.27 16:57:00 -
[739]
Originally by: Semkhet
Originally by: Reptzo
I said stuff
Let's say it that way: for every venture, there is what you could call a "critical mass", which corresponds to the best income vs overhead. IMHO, CCP never managed to define with any solid long-term vision where should this "critical mass" stand.
There are structural problems within this game like lag that CCP is dragging since day one. Nowadays not even the item database on the web site is up-to-date. There are bugs everywhere, just to name one, the AI is still unable to perform garbage collection in order to automatically destroy nonexistent objects, etc, etc, etc...
And despite being perfectly aware about a multitude of imperfections, CCP just seem to care about providing new content. Now software engineering is not so different than real estate building from a reliability perspective: you can't get a solid product if the foundations suffer flaws.
I can still cope with all that and the resulting jewels, like for example loosing a full faction ceptor plus a snake pod to a huginn which scrambled and webbed me before even appearing on my overview (thx to lag again). Shit happens and that's it. No problem here. What instead is slowly pushing me to consider EvE a lost case is the seemingly erratic decision-making process which plagues CCP since a good year I would say.
I did not forget the Windows system files screw up. Frankly, had the Q&A guy worked for me, next day he would have hit the street. But it's worse than that: there's no way such a bug could have gone unforeseen, which IMHO means that for whatever reason, CCP didn't even test a piece of code they distributed to thousands of paying customers.
So there's a moment where you have to draw the line. And seeing how they handled today a player, Chribba, after all the dedication he invested by compensating obvious flaws of this website starts to give me a bad taste in the mouth knowing that my money is landing in the pockets of people showing such disregard.
I think you and I are arguing with each other, but arguing the same point. When I read your posts, I feel like we are on the same side, throw rocks at the other team, yelling at each other. LOL
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Traidor Disloyal
I Am Not A Lawyer
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Posted - 2008.08.27 16:57:00 -
[740]
Originally by: Korinn
Originally by: Traidor Disloyal The sooner people realize that this is a game owned by CCP and thus under the rules of CCP they will have a lot less heartburn when it comes to game changes
They wouldn't own shit without people paying their wages
Get on the game. I am sure there are a few in the system you log into who know who this guy is(since he seems to be a famous person in game). After you tell em what CCP did to him I am sure they will be properly indignent about it. Now ask em to quit the game to show support for him and most (if not all) will tell you to go away because it doesn't effect them in the least.
So, CCP will still get paid even though they are the meanies here. But feel free to "stick it to the man".
--------------------------------------------- Love is having a second account with a cov ops pilot |
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Haraldhardrade
Amarr Pax Amarr
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Posted - 2008.08.27 16:58:00 -
[741]
Originally by: Vikarion
If they aren't, then why do they:
Ignore repeated requests to fix bugs "Fix" problems that don't need fixing Consistently take the path that is easiest for them, rather than best for the playerbase Ignore the potential consequences of bad decisions and expect us to compensate for those decisions. When they do finally address an issue, ignore all intelligent player theories about fixes and implement draconian nerfs. Refuse to communicate a vision or theme for Eve. Adopt a culture of "we're right, you're wrong" when dealing with players.
And more. Not gonna list it all tonight - it's 1:30 here. And I'd be in bed if I wasn't so ****ed off about them doing this.
Didt you read the tentonhammer interview with Dr.E? CCP wants to make EVE more mainstream and attract more girls. No offense to the female players here, but EVE is going to get watered down with time, into a mainstram mmo thats completely unlike what EVE once was.
Caveo of Minmatar , torva vacuus regimen of deus es plurrimi periculosus of bestia
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Kage Getsu
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
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Posted - 2008.08.27 17:00:00 -
[742]
Originally by: Verite Rendition Chribba, thank you for the information and I am extremely sorry this had to happen to you. You should have been the last person to lose their Veldnought, not the first.
In return I thank you for bringing this forward in such a thoughtful manner, and for sticking up for all high-sec capital ship pilots and not just yourself. I intend to return the favor.
---
I, like Chribba, am a Veldnought owner (come visit me in Stacmon some time). In the long time that I have owned my mining Phoenix, I have abided by CCP's requirements; I have never abused its power, I have served my role as an icon for the tourists, and in return I have been allowed to continue pulverizing the Veldspar of Stacmon. I worked hard to acquire my ship, and like some people have T2 BPOs and others have their Luxury Yachts, I have owned my ridiculous mining ship as my collectible item in this game.
I see nor know of any reason that these ships should be removed, certainly not now. These ships are the trophies of their owners, representing something fun and unique that many people in this game will never see. To put it bluntly these are the rocks in the sandbox; something that shouldn't be there, and yet they exist and make the sandbox notable and memorable. EVE is that sandbox.
And Chribba above all has put in an unparalleled amount of effort in to improving this game. It is with the utmost dissatisfaction and disapproval that the man who has done the most for the game gets the least in return, by being unfairly stripped of his prize possession. If there can be only one Veldnought, then without a doubt it should be his, but instead he is the first to lose.
My closing thoughts are these:
CCP, we have held up our end of the bargain. Will you be holding up yours?
Hey, now you can sell it to someone who will actually use it! _________________________________________________________
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ApaKaka
Lone Starr Corporation
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Posted - 2008.08.27 17:00:00 -
[743]
Edited by: ApaKaka on 27/08/2008 17:03:29
Originally by: Verite Rendition Chribba, thank you for the information and I am extremely sorry this had to happen to you. You should have been the last person to lose their Veldnought, not the first.
In return I thank you for bringing this forward in such a thoughtful manner, and for sticking up for all high-sec capital ship pilots and not just yourself. I intend to return the favor.
---
I, like Chribba, am a Veldnought owner (come visit me in Stacmon some time). In the long time that I have owned my mining Phoenix, I have abided by CCP's requirements; I have never abused its power, I have served my role as an icon for the tourists, and in return I have been allowed to continue pulverizing the Veldspar of Stacmon. I worked hard to acquire my ship, and like some people have T2 BPOs and others have their Luxury Yachts, I have owned my ridiculous mining ship as my collectible item in this game.
I see nor know of any reason that these ships should be removed, certainly not now. These ships are the trophies of their owners, representing something fun and unique that many people in this game will never see. To put it bluntly these are the rocks in the sandbox; something that shouldn't be there, and yet they exist and make the sandbox notable and memorable. EVE is that sandbox.
And Chribba above all has put in an unparalleled amount of effort in to improving this game. It is with the utmost dissatisfaction and disapproval that the man who has done the most for the game gets the least in return, by being unfairly stripped of his prize possession. If there can be only one Veldnought, then without a doubt it should be his, but instead he is the first to lose.
My closing thoughts are these:
CCP, we have held up our end of the bargain. Will you be holding up yours?
I take this to mean that yours has not been moved yet? Then that means the Hammerfall thread was the instigator to this whole god awful mess.
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Traidor Disloyal
I Am Not A Lawyer
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Posted - 2008.08.27 17:01:00 -
[744]
Originally by: Haraldhardrade Didt you read the tentonhammer interview with Dr.E? CCP wants to make EVE more mainstream and attract more girls. No offense to the female players here, but EVE is going to get watered down with time, into a mainstram mmo thats completely unlike what EVE once was.
Well, that just blows.
--------------------------------------------- Love is having a second account with a cov ops pilot |
Scagga Laebetrovo
Ammatar Free Corps
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Posted - 2008.08.27 17:01:00 -
[745]
Originally by: Haraldhardrade
Originally by: Vikarion
If they aren't, then why do they:
Ignore repeated requests to fix bugs "Fix" problems that don't need fixing Consistently take the path that is easiest for them, rather than best for the playerbase Ignore the potential consequences of bad decisions and expect us to compensate for those decisions. When they do finally address an issue, ignore all intelligent player theories about fixes and implement draconian nerfs. Refuse to communicate a vision or theme for Eve. Adopt a culture of "we're right, you're wrong" when dealing with players.
And more. Not gonna list it all tonight - it's 1:30 here. And I'd be in bed if I wasn't so ****ed off about them doing this.
Didt you read the tentonhammer interview with Dr.E? CCP wants to make EVE more mainstream and attract more girls. No offense to the female players here, but EVE is going to get watered down with time, into a mainstram mmo thats completely unlike what EVE once was.
This, my friend, will be an awesome boost to piracy. "I had a read of the General discussion section. Part of my empathy to my fellow man died." |
Semkhet
Spartan Industries
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Posted - 2008.08.27 17:02:00 -
[746]
Originally by: Reptzo
I think you and I are arguing with each other, but arguing the same point. When I read your posts, I feel like we are on the same side, throw rocks at the other team, yelling at each other. LOL
We aren't arguing. The only spot where you got me wrong is supposing that I'm immature enough to map my ego to EvE
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Kage Getsu
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
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Posted - 2008.08.27 17:02:00 -
[747]
Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo
This, my friend, will be an awesome boost to piracy.
Yeah, as a pirate I welcome anything that makes this game more mainstream and accessible. I don't need to pretend I'm playing a "hardcore" game to enjoy it. _________________________________________________________
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Mistress Luck
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Posted - 2008.08.27 17:03:00 -
[748]
People have said again and again that a very small proportion of the player base checks the forums. So what has happened here is CCP decided to clean house. Tidy up as much as they can of the game without worry about who its going to anger. Sure, people will complain about changes on the forums, but only a tiny fraction of the player base reads them remember? Of those that do read them, how many will actually quit? Close to none.
Are people going to be talking about this in game? Will there be mass dumping of containers throughout eve? Will there be people bringing up all the crap CCP employees have pulled in the past on the Jita local channel? No there wont. Because you are all going to take it. You are going to vent in this thread right here, some of you might go and sign the petition thread. Then a couple of weeks will pass with some grumbled discontent, and then everyone will move on to venting about the next big change to the game.
And the game will grow, and CCP will make money, and deep down you will know that you should not have ever invested yourself emotionally in a bloody computer game.
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Haraldhardrade
Amarr Pax Amarr
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Posted - 2008.08.27 17:03:00 -
[749]
Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo
This, my friend, will be an awesome boost to piracy.
Or nerf
Anyhow, maybe Chribba should cut back on his EVE dedicated services Caveo of Minmatar , torva vacuus regimen of deus es plurrimi periculosus of bestia
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Deviana Sevidon
Gallente Panta-Rhei United Front Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.27 17:05:00 -
[750]
Edited by: Deviana Sevidon on 27/08/2008 17:05:58 Chribba did and still does a lot for the community. I know that CCP does not like Capital Ships in Highsec, the removing of the ability to anchor the appropriate modules is a clear sign.
It would have been better if CCP did this either 2 years ago or would have communicated their decision before. That it will be done and why it would need to be done. It is of course possible that some GM has read about the policy of CCP that no capital ships should be in highsec, checked the database and then decided to take action on his own. Things like these happens all the time in large companies.
How about a compromise. For his deeds Chribba should get a huge Statue of a Revelation in in one of the Amarr Asteroid Belts. 100% Veld, but not mineable?
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Treelox
Amarr Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party
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Posted - 2008.08.27 17:06:00 -
[751]
Edited by: Treelox on 27/08/2008 17:07:36 Well I guess we can see where dev priority lies. Responded to that topic in 10min of its creation, meanwhile this one has been going on for awhile and yet nothing.
A cheap shot by me, most definetly, but I think that this policy change is of far more concern than percieved homophobia, by a majority of the player base that frequents the forums. --
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Garia666
Amarr T.H.U.G L.I.F.E White Core
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Posted - 2008.08.27 17:06:00 -
[752]
not even an reply yet.. they made changes with out notifying anyone.
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Verite Rendition
Caldari F.R.E.E. Explorer Elitist Cowards
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Posted - 2008.08.27 17:07:00 -
[753]
Originally by: ApaKaka Edited by: ApaKaka on 27/08/2008 17:03:29 I take this to mean that yours has not been moved yet? Then that means the Hammerfall thread was the instigator to this whole god awful mess.
This is correct. My Phoenix is still in Stacmon, and I am protesting outside of the 5-9 station in solidarity with Chirbba as I write this. ---- FREE Explorer Lead Megalomanic EVE Null-Sec Player Influence Map http://dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/Veritefw/FWinf |
Gone'Postal
Minmatar Warped Mining
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Posted - 2008.08.27 17:08:00 -
[754]
I can't believe that CCP have done this.
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Salvo Seneca
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Posted - 2008.08.27 17:09:00 -
[755]
This doesn't seem like the most pressing outlying data point for CCP to repair. What's the reasoning? That not everyone can afford to buy one of the few high-sec caps? What does it harm?
If they just want to get rid of rare ships, why not destroy the two Opux Luxury Yachts... after all, the owners aren't interested in selling and no more are being made.
Or if they want to straighten out obsolete items that are actually affecting the economy dramatically, why not get rid of all T2 BPOs? Sure, people have recently bought them, but hey - high-sec caps have also been sold.
But mainly I'll miss this aspect of Chribba's uniqueness... the Veldnought is an EVE icon, and there's no burning need to deface it.
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Mistress Evita
Caldari Booze and Hookers
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Posted - 2008.08.27 17:09:00 -
[756]
Originally by: Mistress Luck
stuff
I like your name.
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Endel
Minmatar Quam Singulari
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Posted - 2008.08.27 17:09:00 -
[757]
When do people actually understand it's not about Chribba's Veldnaught, it's about all the (few) capitals still in high sec. People have spent billions to buy them, just like people spend billions to purchase some other unique item in game (ships given for events, prizes etc).
Now you take the uniqueness just like that <snaps fingers> No, I don't own one.
Also, about the Veldnaught, it is a newbie-welcome-to-capital-ships experience! I've seen several times (out of those few times I've been in Amarr), people (read: ALL kind of people) asking for it to be undocked. Guess what? He has fulfilled those wishes. Many of those newbies get a goal for their Eve life - fly a ship like that. That's a long time goal, many let it go in a month, but some stick with it. Long time customers for CCP, long time targets for pirates, long time players.
One less Experience in Eve. One less reason to go to Amarr. One more myth newbies in 6 months will only hear and read about.
Now, I'm not "buddies" with Chribba, I've never talked to him. Heck, I've only seen him in local those few times out of few. But I sure as hell want him to have that ship in there. In Amarr. Why? Because I don't mind it being there! And all you whiners who say "make it fair to all players"... jealous more?
Save the Veldnaught!
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Leam Lakaud
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Posted - 2008.08.27 17:10:00 -
[758]
CCP... YOU SUCK!!
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Zomiaen
Gallente Ore Mongers Black Hand.
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Posted - 2008.08.27 17:12:00 -
[759]
Originally by: Treelox Well I guess we can see where dev priority lies. Responded to this topic in 10min of its creation, meanwhile this one has been going on for awhile and yet nothing.
A cheap shot by me, most definetly, but I think that this policy change is of far more concern than percieved homophobia, by a majority of the player base that frequents the forums.
Eris iirc works with ambulation, so she'd have no say in this, thus your point is invalid. Dev's from other departments have no reason to comment on issues in other departments, because they don't have the say.
Onto the topic, I literally made an audible gasp when I saw a post with such a title by Chribba, and then when I read the OP. I don't understand why CCP would move such a player-iconic piece of EVE. It's changed the legendary Veldnought to just another low-sec dread, and on top of that he was not even given the choice of station to be moved to.
mirel yirrin if anyone remembers him says "CCP = CANCER" and "DISPLAY ANGER WITH LEAVING." Figured I'd add his opinion. ---
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Semkhet
Spartan Industries
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Posted - 2008.08.27 17:13:00 -
[760]
Originally by: Korinn Yeah well I don't think riding your subscriber base like a squealing piggy is a very nice way to operate, so I'm taking my ball and going home.
Sad to cu go Korinn, was fun back in Sparta. Well, it was good while it lasted Funny enough, my wife is just considering giving a shot at Spore which comes out in a few days. So who knows
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Duncan MacPherson
Minmatar Black Lion Legion
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Posted - 2008.08.27 17:14:00 -
[761]
Originally by: Mistress Luck
People have said again and again that a very small proportion of the player base checks the forums. So what has happened here is CCP decided to clean house. Tidy up as much as they can of the game without worry about who its going to anger. Sure, people will complain about changes on the forums, but only a tiny fraction of the player base reads them remember? Of those that do read them, how many will actually quit? Close to none.
Are people going to be talking about this in game? Will there be mass dumping of containers throughout eve? Will there be people bringing up all the crap CCP employees have pulled in the past on the Jita local channel? No there wont. Because you are all going to take it. You are going to vent in this thread right here, some of you might go and sign the petition thread. Then a couple of weeks will pass with some grumbled discontent, and then everyone will move on to venting about the next big change to the game.
And the game will grow, and CCP will make money, and deep down you will know that you should not have ever invested yourself emotionally in a bloody computer game.
The exclimation point speaks the truth. Best post in this waste of a thread.
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Tonto Auri
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
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Posted - 2008.08.27 17:15:00 -
[762]
By the time, I though that CCP supporting players acting in storyline part of the game, or inducting their own stories/events/whatever. I said to my friends "man, they're brilliant, they're not only developing ang maintaining good game, they making it great by deeloping fine storyline and attracting players to do the same on their own!".
Now I can't say so...
First capital I ever saw... It was in Algogille I think... Ran there like rabbit to see it once I heard it is there. -- Thanks CCP for cu |
Neermark
JotunHeim Hird X13 Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.27 17:15:00 -
[763]
Funny how 2 pages on the gay topic can give answer from a dev but 25 pages about a change in ccp policy gives nothing.... Makes you wonder
Yay For the new ALIGN BUTTON !!!! |
Korinn
The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.08.27 17:16:00 -
[764]
Originally by: Semkhet
Originally by: Korinn Yeah well I don't think riding your subscriber base like a squealing piggy is a very nice way to operate, so I'm taking my ball and going home.
Sad to cu go Korinn, was fun back in Sparta. Well, it was good while it lasted Funny enough, my wife is just considering giving a shot at Spore which comes out in a few days. So who knows
I decided not to resub my accounts quite a while ago and I've been playing on built up time, this had nothing to do with it but the general direction in which the game is going (and many of the poor decisions made by people who influence the game direction) sure did.
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Larkonis Trassler
Neo Spartans
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Posted - 2008.08.27 17:17:00 -
[765]
Originally by: Verite Rendition Chribba, thank you for the information and I am extremely sorry this had to happen to you. You should have been the last person to lose their Veldnought, not the first.
In return I thank you for bringing this forward in such a thoughtful manner, and for sticking up for all high-sec capital ship pilots and not just yourself. I intend to return the favor.
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I, like Chribba, am a Veldnought owner (come visit me in Stacmon some time). In the long time that I have owned my mining Phoenix, I have abided by CCP's requirements; I have never abused its power, I have served my role as an icon for the tourists, and in return I have been allowed to continue pulverizing the Veldspar of Stacmon. I worked hard to acquire my ship, and like some people have T2 BPOs and others have their Luxury Yachts, I have owned my ridiculous mining ship as my collectible item in this game.
I see nor know of any reason that these ships should be removed, certainly not now. These ships are the trophies of their owners, representing something fun and unique that many people in this game will never see. To put it bluntly these are the rocks in the sandbox; something that shouldn't be there, and yet they exist and make the sandbox notable and memorable. EVE is that sandbox.
And Chribba above all has put in an unparalleled amount of effort in to improving this game. It is with the utmost dissatisfaction and disapproval that the man who has done the most for the game gets the least in return, by being unfairly stripped of his prize possession. If there can be only one Veldnought, then without a doubt it should be his, but instead he is the first to lose.
My closing thoughts are these:
CCP, we have held up our end of the bargain. Will you be holding up yours?
QFT
My Thanatos is still in Hisec but for how long (not that I can use it, the pilot is outlaw at the moment due to an unfortunate incident involving his other thanatos, smartbombs and lots of noob tacklers).
High sec caps in no way degraded anybodies experience. For those of you worried about 'cap mining lasers' and 'orcas' well how about adding CPU requirements to those mods ala Drone Control Units?
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Reptzo
Channel 4 News Team
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Posted - 2008.08.27 17:17:00 -
[766]
Originally by: Neermark Funny how 2 pages on the gay topic can give answer from a dev but 25 pages about a change in ccp policy gives nothing.... Makes you wonder
Well, since eris is a part of ambulation, she probably doesn't have much to say about someone else's actions. So, your point is moot.
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Fink Angel
Caldari The Merry Men
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Posted - 2008.08.27 17:17:00 -
[767]
Originally by: Neermark Funny how 2 pages on the gay topic can give answer from a dev but 25 pages about a change in ccp policy gives nothing.... Makes you wonder
That's merely Eris chatting away from her personal perspective. I guess Devs are avoiding threads where they may be quoted in an official capacity on policy, and frankly I don't really blame them.
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BiggestT
Caldari Space Oddysey Pupule 'Ohana
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Posted - 2008.08.27 17:18:00 -
[768]
This is an outrage.
CCP GO HUMP UR MUM IN THEIR SHITHOLE poudly annoying fc's since 2007
Originally by: Sheriff Jones *ding ding!*
Wrangler: Hello and w
*ding ding!*
Wrangler: ...damn nanowhiners...*goes back to reading*
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JamnOne
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.08.27 17:18:00 -
[769]
Hi Chribba,
The problem is they jealous because of the awards you have received.
To CCP - Uhm, the "Veldnaught" and other Cap ships in Hi-Sec were good marketing tools. New players would see this ships and ask about how to get them. They helped new players set goals.
People understand about Grandfather Clauses and would continue to allow Cap Ships Grandfathered to remain in Hi-Sec with little concern of bickering.
If the "Grandfathered" ships did cause havoc they could then be forced to move to low sec but those who are being peaceful and agreeing to the rules of no combat should be left alone.
A line from an ancient movie on the lost planet of Earth:
"It is just good business" - Pirates of the Caribbean III ________________ Poor is the nation that has no heroes. Shameful is the one that, having heroes - Forgets them!
Author Unknown
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Haldane IV
Einstein's Dreams
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Posted - 2008.08.27 17:19:00 -
[770]
18 months ago I stopped my EVE subscription, in no small part because of my resentment at the deceipt and disrespect CCP exhibited towards their paying customers (us) as they blundred their way through their chronic mishandling of the Gallente Election Event debacle and the T20 scandal.
4 days ago I re-activated my sub. for a month, to see how things are now and whether I want to return - and I see this. It appears they did this without any prior warning (or consultaion of the player base via the Assembly?)
In the absence of a reasoned and reasonable statement from CCP in response to the overwhelming criticism and opposition to their actions shown by this thread, what am I likely to do at the end of that months' sub?
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N1fty
Amarr Galactic Shipyards Inc HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2008.08.27 17:19:00 -
[771]
Originally by: Neermark Funny how 2 pages on the gay topic can give answer from a dev but 25 pages about a change in ccp policy gives nothing.... Makes you wonder
Chribba should have started his thread as follows:
LESBIAN CONTROVERSY!
and
CHRIBBA GETS A TATTOO!
Now that I have your attention...
Guaranteed at least a dozen dev responses within 2 pages.
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Haradgrim
Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2008.08.27 17:21:00 -
[772]
WOW, is all I can say. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot, has CCP ever googled EVE, do they know whose sites come up? Chribba is the greatest free marketing EVE ever got aside from what he does for the existing player base.
I can't even fathom how CCP could consider this a good idea. I also fail to see how this is any different from T2 BPO ownership (which on the other hand has a huge economic impact to the benefit of those who still have them), which it is extremely unlikely they will do imho.
One word come to mind: SHAME
I mean, if they were going to do this; it really should have been done a LONG LONG time ago, at this point just let sleeping dogs lie...... --
Originally by: CCP Oveur ...every forum whine feels like a baby pony is getting killed
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ElCoCo
KIA Corp KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.27 17:21:00 -
[773]
So instead of rewarding him with a highsec rorqual... or even a titan... or even lifetime subscription fee.....
I'm also amazed at some of the jealous ppl here... is he more deserving than you? Hell yes. Boink! |
Dorsa
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Posted - 2008.08.27 17:22:00 -
[774]
I've attempted to read through this, however the majority of it appears to be people regurgitating dislike for this change, so I've jumped ahead.
Has anyone thought of beyond this one tidbit of change? There's been long speculation that CCP was inventing a Roq high sec called Orca (or something of the like), couldn't it be that CCP could potentially be planning it's release and requires this one change to be performed beforehand?
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Neermark
JotunHeim Hird X13 Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.27 17:22:00 -
[775]
Originally by: N1fty
Originally by: Neermark Funny how 2 pages on the gay topic can give answer from a dev but 25 pages about a change in ccp policy gives nothing.... Makes you wonder
Chribba should have started his thread as follows:
LESBIAN CONTROVERSY!
and
CHRIBBA GETS A TATTOO!
Now that I have your attention...
Guaranteed at least a dozen dev responses within 2 pages.
I lol'ed
Yay For the new ALIGN BUTTON !!!! |
Fink Angel
Caldari The Merry Men
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Posted - 2008.08.27 17:23:00 -
[776]
Originally by: Haradgrim I mean, if they were going to do this; it really should have been done a LONG LONG time ago, at this point just let sleeping dogs lie......
100% What this man says. Don't do it now that it's a non issue.
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Admiral Apex
Amarr Dead 2 Rights
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Posted - 2008.08.27 17:24:00 -
[777]
are you serious ccp? where is the logic behind this change?
dont become like wow and change every small thing that players complain about. - Mission running: not as exciting as smashing your hand with a hammer, but more painful. |
Aurore Delilah
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Posted - 2008.08.27 17:26:00 -
[778]
Ok, Reading the thread more carefully i have to say WTF?
So apparently CCP has in fact NOT moved all high sec capitals, They've moved the veldnaught, While allowing the others (As stated by two other high sec cap owners in this thread, Their caps remain in high sec) to stay.
I used to simply think "Errr... Why do something pointless that benefits noone and ultimately only serves to remove some of the few unique items in the game"
Now however i wonder why CCP has decided that Chribba in particular shouldn't be allowed a high sec cap... |
N1fty
Amarr Galactic Shipyards Inc HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2008.08.27 17:26:00 -
[779]
Originally by: Admiral Apex are you serious ccp? where is the logic behind this change?
dont become like wow and change every small thing that players complain about.
Nobody complained about it. Everything was fine and then CCP removed them without rhyme or reason. They just changed it for the sake of change.
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JamnOne
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.08.27 17:27:00 -
[780]
Originally by: Dorsa I've attempted to read through this, however the majority of it appears to be people regurgitating dislike for this change, so I've jumped ahead.
Has anyone thought of beyond this one tidbit of change? There's been long speculation that CCP was inventing a Roq high sec called Orca (or something of the like), couldn't it be that CCP could potentially be planning it's release and requires this one change to be performed beforehand?
Even if they were to bring out the Orca - It should not affect the "Veldnaught" or other Cap ships in Hi-Sec.
If it does, then CCP needs to work on their software development team. ________________ Poor is the nation that has no heroes. Shameful is the one that, having heroes - Forgets them!
Author Unknown
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Monkey Saturday
Knights of Chaos Chaos Incarnate.
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Posted - 2008.08.27 17:27:00 -
[781]
Originally by: Dorsa I've attempted to read through this, however the majority of it appears to be people regurgitating dislike for this change, so I've jumped ahead.
Has anyone thought of beyond this one tidbit of change? There's been long speculation that CCP was inventing a Roq high sec called Orca (or something of the like), couldn't it be that CCP could potentially be planning it's release and requires this one change to be performed beforehand?
Yeah its crossed my mind but tbh wouldn't a high-sec rorq variant um....be better at the whole mining dealy? Gang bonuses ore compression, big cargo hold...Surely a dread wouldn't be able to OUT MINE A MINING CAP now would it?
('course I haven't mined in over a year so who knows? )
Thanks for the Maulus BPO nerf! :D |
Oftherocks
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.08.27 17:32:00 -
[782]
If it were me, I'd create a new policy for Eve-files that bans any CCP employee from posting or using the web site in any way. I don't know if it is something you could enforce, but I am sure they'd get the message that they are *****s.
Honestly I feel bad for ya Chribba, and I hope someone pulls their head out of their ass and fixes this obvious boneheaded move.
Boooo CCP
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Salvo Seneca
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Posted - 2008.08.27 17:35:00 -
[783]
Originally by: Monkey Saturday
Yeah its crossed my mind but tbh wouldn't a high-sec rorq variant um....be better at the whole mining dealy? Gang bonuses ore compression, big cargo hold...Surely a dread wouldn't be able to OUT MINE A MINING CAP now would it?
Umm... the Rorqual doesn't mine, so I'll give that one a "yes". Everything outmines the current mining support cap.
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Ricdics
Corporate Placement Holding
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Posted - 2008.08.27 17:35:00 -
[784]
I doubt CCP removed this capability for no reason. Lets just wait and see what that reason is, it might actually make the "sky is falling" people wake up and see that there might be an upcoming change relevant to this movement.
Why would CCP go out of their way to move 10 or so specific people's ships for the hell of it? I am sure they have far better things to do.
My theory is that they have done this as a prelude to an upcoming change or they have done this due to some form of incident occurance. Whether either of these end up being valid or invalid reasons is currently yet to be determined.
So don't send me your stuff just yet, I am sure CCP will post some form of thread soon and it may well clear everything up. Probably the main point I "am" in agreeance with you guys is that more notice should have been provided.
Either way the end result would have been the same. A post here by Chribba, 50 pages of complaints and then an announcement. So lets wait and see what happens, the sky hasn't fallen just yet. |
Terminus adacai
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.08.27 17:35:00 -
[785]
WOW!!!!
Removing the Veldnaught from Amarr has totally fixed lag in EVE!!!!!
Excellent move CCP!!!!!
Opinions reflected on my posts are just that, my opinions. They do not reflect views held by my corp or alliance. |
Zeba
Minmatar Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2008.08.27 17:35:00 -
[786]
Awww man the Veldnaught got moved outta highsec? WTF why?!
BAAAAAD MOVE CCP.. BAAAAAAAD.
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ElCoCo
KIA Corp KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.27 17:38:00 -
[787]
Originally by: N1fty Nobody complained about it. Everything was fine and then CCP removed them without rhyme or reason. They just changed it for the sake of change.
Heh, I'm betting everything I have that at least some complained about it. People are just jealous m8. Boink! |
Monkey Saturday
Knights of Chaos Chaos Incarnate.
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Posted - 2008.08.27 17:39:00 -
[788]
Originally by: Salvo Seneca
Originally by: Monkey Saturday
Yeah its crossed my mind but tbh wouldn't a high-sec rorq variant um....be better at the whole mining dealy? Gang bonuses ore compression, big cargo hold...Surely a dread wouldn't be able to OUT MINE A MINING CAP now would it?
Umm... the Rorqual doesn't mine, so I'll give that one a "yes". Everything outmines the current mining support cap.
Cool thanks for the info then m8. Like I said I don't fly 'em, I just kill 'em.
Thanks for the Maulus BPO nerf! :D |
N1fty
Amarr Galactic Shipyards Inc HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2008.08.27 17:40:00 -
[789]
Originally by: ElCoCo
Originally by: N1fty Nobody complained about it. Everything was fine and then CCP removed them without rhyme or reason. They just changed it for the sake of change.
Heh, I'm betting everything I have that at least some complained about it. People are just jealous m8.
Yeah ok, but there were no massive 50 page threads about how high sec dreads were 'Killing Eve'.
I think the fact that no reason or warning has been given is the real kicker here.
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HenkieBoy
Enrave Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2008.08.27 17:40:00 -
[790]
There is only one reason I can think of. They are going to introduce a new mining laser that can be fitted on a new mining cap ship. But the problem is, that these can also be fitted on other caps which would make the dreads in highsec too good with mining. And because no dev is allowed to talk about this upcomming change we aren't seeing any CCP response in this topic.
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Doonoo Boonoo
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Posted - 2008.08.27 17:41:00 -
[791]
Why?
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5pinDizzy
Amarr Umpteenth Podding
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Posted - 2008.08.27 17:41:00 -
[792]
I don't blame any CCP Employee for not posting in this thread.
Bar a dozen or so thought out posts there's practically a mob of jackals ready to pounce on any poor CCP employee who happened to even try.
You've only yourselves to blame for no CCP response in this thread, if you weren't a bunch of flaming idiot banshees then maybe we'd be within 5 light years of an intelligent debate.
I'll admit I'm not a particular fan of Chribba, that doesn't mean I hate him or gives you right to play the worn out jealous card on me. Just that I never warmed to him.
Though even though I disagree with his OP in opinion at least he still manages to come off looking 10 times cleverer and more balanced in judgement then 90% of the posters in this thread.
I think he's right what he said a bit later on, I don't think most of you are helping his cause at all with your spamming.
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MailDeadDrop
Archon Industries
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Posted - 2008.08.27 17:45:00 -
[793]
Originally by: HenkieBoy There is only one reason I can think of. They are going to introduce a new mining laser that can be fitted on a new mining cap ship. But the problem is, that these can also be fitted on other caps which would make the dreads in highsec too good with mining. And because no dev is allowed to talk about this upcomming change we aren't seeing any CCP response in this topic.
Yes, but such actions would be predicated on either: 1. CCP being too obtuse to recognize the outcry would be (and thus unprepared), 2. CCP recognizing the outcry but unable to prepare for it, or 3. CCP being too uncaring to prepare for the outcry.
I find #1 unlikely, and #2 and #3 too depressing to consider.
MDD Jump Clones: 8M and NO corp switching |
Schalac
Caldari Apocalypse Reign
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Posted - 2008.08.27 17:47:00 -
[794]
SO let me get this straight. People are mad that they are no longer going to be allowed to keep their capital ships in high sec space. WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA. I say good. Capitals are not historic icons. No one cares about seeing them and saying "oh nice ship" and they added no value to the game what so ever. They are tools of war and to keep them hidden away in high sec is useless.
And how is putting a capital ship where it can actually be used a nerf???
People have also payed billions for low sec caps and 0.0 caps, is that a shame for them as well? This thread makes no sense what so ever and I for one am glad that people that have high sec caps will now have to risk them in low sec if they want to fly them.
Or you can always sell them to me for a few hundred million since in your eyes they are now "plain useless"
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Terianna Eri
Amarr Scrutari
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Posted - 2008.08.27 17:47:00 -
[795]
Originally by: 5pinDizzy I don't blame any CCP Employee for not posting in this thread.
Bar a dozen or so thought out posts there's practically a mob of jackals ready to pounce on any poor CCP employee who happened to even try.
You've only yourselves to blame for no CCP response in this thread, if you weren't a bunch of flaming idiot banshees then maybe we'd be within 5 light years of an intelligent debate.
I'll admit I'm not a particular fan of Chribba, that doesn't mean I hate him or gives you right to play the worn out jealous card on me. Just that I never warmed to him.
Though even though I disagree with his OP in opinion at least he still manages to come off looking 10 times cleverer and more balanced in judgement then 90% of the posters in this thread.
I think he's right what he said a bit later on, I don't think most of you are helping his cause at all with your spamming.
I would settle for "This was done by an inexperienced GM who was regrettably unaware of the identity of the Veldnaught, and of CCP's policy to leave the hisec caps as they are, barring any aggressive action by them. We are aware that the acting GM acted in violation of CCP's policy, and we are now correcting the error ."
This to be followed by the GM's post with something like "Holy shit, guys, what a way to start off my first day as a GM. My bad. [insert copy of mail sent to Chribba with something along the lines of "Your peaceful industrial dreadnaught has been returned to its location in Amarr VI - Oris - Amarr Navy Assembly Plant" (or whatever it is)]"
That'd be good and tbh would nicely resolve it for me. I wouldn't have this nagging feeling of "maybe I should set CS V training and let it go for a month... or longer..." __________________________________ CCP, WTH?
Originally by: Arthur Frayn How much to ruin all your holes, luv?
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aka Ishur
Stormwolf Holdings LLC Elite Trade Group
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Posted - 2008.08.27 17:51:00 -
[796]
Originally by: HenkieBoy There is only one reason I can think of. They are going to introduce a new mining laser that can be fitted on a new mining cap ship. But the problem is, that these can also be fitted on other caps which would make the dreads in highsec too good with mining. And because no dev is allowed to talk about this upcomming change we aren't seeing any CCP response in this topic.
There are plenty of ship -specific modules (covops cloak comes to mind) plus i doubt ccp would so radically change the rorqual's role without even a hint. I think most people hate what ccp have done because
a) it was done without warning.
b) it was done without any apparent reason.
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HenkieBoy
Enrave Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2008.08.27 17:52:00 -
[797]
Read the CCP interview.. they are going to release a industrial expansion in december with possible new industrial ship.. I doubt they will change the rorq ;)
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Joe Starbreaker
Starbreaker Frigateers
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Posted - 2008.08.27 17:52:00 -
[798]
Probably had to do it because of some change they're making to the basic code. Sucks, though. They should have given you 24 hours notice so you could have committed a dramatic suicide with it, or something.
Originally by: VicturusTeSaluto All piracy is built upon honoring one's word.
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gordon861
Minmatar PROGENITOR CORPORATION Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.08.27 17:53:00 -
[799]
/Signed ... bring back the Veldnaught
Has CCP even bothered to respond yet ?
CCP Mitnal has already locked another thread referring to this one, but seems to not have the bottle to post directly in this one.
Perhaps this means we can expect a return to the old ways, let people post a long thread and when it quietens down a bit just delete the thread. Problem solved.
Originally by: CCP Arkanon I frown on employees being power players to the extent that their gameplay results in any sort of domination over others. I donÆt believe CCP employees should run the EVE universe. |
bnogo
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.08.27 17:55:00 -
[800]
so i finally wake back up to see no response from the devs on this. saddening really.
then i flip through some of these new pages to read that not all caps have been moved.
and the sadness and disappointment fade.
and the anger begins.
wtf ccp, wtf.........
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Barbicane
TGUN Industries
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Posted - 2008.08.27 17:58:00 -
[801]
Please CCP, don't fall back to your old ways of treating the player base like an unintelligent mob. You should have learned by now that the correct way dealing with this type of issue is:
1) INFORMATION 2) ACTION
Not the other way around.
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aka Ishur
Stormwolf Holdings LLC Elite Trade Group
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Posted - 2008.08.27 17:58:00 -
[802]
Edited by: aka Ishur on 27/08/2008 17:58:32 There's also the fact that the forum mods (Mitnal et al.) have locked several other threads yet failed to even reply in this one. It must be some statement that it takes this long to prepare.
edit: oops gordon just said what i said
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Drebble
Gallente North Star Networks Black Hand.
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Posted - 2008.08.27 17:59:00 -
[803]
Originally by: Aurore Delilah Ok, Reading the thread more carefully i have to say WTF?
So apparently CCP has in fact NOT moved all high sec capitals, They've moved the veldnaught, While allowing the others (As stated by two other high sec cap owners in this thread, Their caps remain in high sec) to stay.
I used to simply think "Errr... Why do something pointless that benefits noone and ultimately only serves to remove some of the few unique items in the game"
Now however i wonder why CCP has decided that Chribba in particular shouldn't be allowed a high sec cap...
QFE
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Atlas Oracle
Minmatar Native Freshfood
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Posted - 2008.08.27 18:03:00 -
[804]
put it back
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gordon861
Minmatar PROGENITOR CORPORATION Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.08.27 18:05:00 -
[805]
Did I hear someone mention that someone attempted to suicide the Veldnaught recently ?
If so what might have happened is the 'victim' of Concord may have petitioned it saying that the ship was used in combat. A new inexperienced GM gets the petition, looks at the logs and says OK and moves it to lowsec.
Come on CCP respond to the thread please....
Originally by: CCP Arkanon I frown on employees being power players to the extent that their gameplay results in any sort of domination over others. I donÆt believe CCP employees should run the EVE universe. |
Great Artista
Caldari Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2008.08.27 18:06:00 -
[806]
27 pages of nothing but CCP dissing.
They really ****ed up this time. _______
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Kuolematon
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2008.08.27 18:07:00 -
[807]
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Tsiros
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.08.27 18:08:00 -
[808]
question is: who from CCP will have the ''balls'' to come out and say 'yes we made a mistake'.
should they change opinion now, will be a sign that they make mistakes and peoples views/opinion will be taken into consideration in the future.
p.s yes i want it back in Empire
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Ricdics
Corporate Placement Holding
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Posted - 2008.08.27 18:08:00 -
[809]
Edited by: Ricdics on 27/08/2008 18:09:32
Originally by: aka Ishur There's also the fact that the forum mods (Mitnal et al.) have locked several other threads yet failed to even reply in this one. It must be some statement that it takes this long to prepare.
I work in the customer service industry myself. When something like this occurs and gets this level of response/publicity there are specific individuals who speak on the subject. If a forum mod repeats something he overheard that turns out to be incorrect it causes a mass of confusion.
It's far better for the correct CCP representative to understand precisely why the change took place and how to handle some of the comments in here before posting away.
Anyone with gold bars and anything less than 100% understanding of the situation should not be posting here at all (in regards to the issue ofc). Just wait, it's only a matter of time. |
JoDan Troikian
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Posted - 2008.08.27 18:09:00 -
[810]
Edited by: JoDan Troikian on 27/08/2008 18:10:41 I have seen Chribba in Amarr mining in his veldnaught before, and tbh, it was the first dread that I ever saw. I understand the trolls refering to the fact that caps are not allowed in hi-sec and no exceptions should be made. I also think that their responses have been answered in regards to all of the hi sec caps were given specific rules and violation of them would have been dealt with them harshly and swiftly. I would hope that all the hisec caps that were operating under the premise that they were already operating under, should be allowed to stay. A case could be made that if one of these players sold his/her account, that the new owner would violate these terms. I don't think that however would be reason enough not to allow them to continue however. Chribba's presence amongst the eve population makes this a better experience for everyone. The fact that he has a cap in hisec really has nothing to do with this. Also, the fact that players paid billions to gain a cap in hisec really is irrelevant to the debate as well. In closing, CCP restore the caps that ALREADY existed in hisec, as you had a "gentleman's" agreement with these players, and they did indeed enrich many young players experience, not just mine.
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Dizeezer Velar
Caldari League of Disgruntled Fast Food Employees
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Posted - 2008.08.27 18:12:00 -
[811]
i blame hammerfall ceo [/url] |
Schalac
Caldari Apocalypse Reign
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Posted - 2008.08.27 18:15:00 -
[812]
Originally by: JoDan Troikian In closing, CCP restore the caps that ALREADY existed in hisec, as you had a "gentleman's" agreement with these players, and they did indeed enrich many young players experience, not just mine.
How about no. What is the point of a veldspar mining dread? Other than the fact that it has a tank that would take many many BSs to suicide it? They are right, no exceptions should be made. If you want to fly a cap ship then do it in low sec where you can actually use the thing for what it's purpose is. |
Maria Kalista
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Posted - 2008.08.27 18:16:00 -
[813]
So, other dreads are still in high sec?
Makes one wonder if the veldnaught and its owner, stepped beyond their strict boundaries and therefor got moved.
Chribba, did you shoot back at the loosers, claiming to smartbomb you? |
Cygnus Zhada
Amarr Reckless Corsairs
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Posted - 2008.08.27 18:17:00 -
[814]
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Dr Cupid
My Small Personal Corp
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Posted - 2008.08.27 18:18:00 -
[815]
/suport for Chribba and others effected by this stupid move!
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Zomiaen
Gallente Ore Mongers Black Hand.
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Posted - 2008.08.27 18:20:00 -
[816]
Originally by: Schalac
Originally by: JoDan Troikian In closing, CCP restore the caps that ALREADY existed in hisec, as you had a "gentleman's" agreement with these players, and they did indeed enrich many young players experience, not just mine.
How about no. What is the point of a veldspar mining dread? Other than the fact that it has a tank that would take many many BSs to suicide it? They are right, no exceptions should be made. If you want to fly a cap ship then do it in low sec where you can actually use the thing for what it's purpose is.
You have no idea about the history of the Veldnought and the other capitals? Chribba built the thing there before CCP changed that, and never bothered to move it, instead using it to show anyone who wanted to see it (and of course, mining veldspar). What's the point of a veldspar mining dread? Why not? It's a piece of EVE history now, and since other high-sec capitals haven't been moved, there is no reason for it to have been, or for any of the others to be moved.
They are like museum pieces, for example, if you've ever been to New York or heard of it, the USS Intrepid. Part of the Intrepid Sea, Air & Space Museum. The ship wasn't meant to be used as a museum, but yet it is. Think of the Veldnought as the same, and there you have it. ---
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Seeing EyeDog
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Posted - 2008.08.27 18:20:00 -
[817]
Originally by: Chribba So as of today, a new policy has been adapted by CCP regarding high-sec capitals, you know those historic icons that was already regulated by non-combat/exploit rules...
It has now been decided that these icons no longer can reside in high-sec no matter that they where built when they were allowed to. About a year ago, CCP made policy changes when the Rorqual was introduced and nerfed them to low-sec just as the first ones was scheduled to come out of the assembly arrays of the few left in high-sec.
Now a year later all other high-sec capitals (except freighters/JF's) and they are being moved to low-sec all around New Eden.
This imo is a stupid policy change! The capitals was historic icons, people flew long ways to view these ships. They became tourist attractions, added imo great value to the game. But now they are plain useless.
I do understand the "want" of not having capitals in high-sec, but seriously, what threat did these few capitals pose? None, as they were already regulated by the non-combat rules!
Especially shame for those who recently paid billions for high-sec capitals, only to have them nerfed weeks later. And for those who still has their capitals in high-sec, love them now, soon they won't be in your hangar in high-sec.
So CCP, I'm really looking forward to reading your public announcement of this policy change and the explanation of the decision.
/c
quit your ****ing whining...theyre doing their best to ensure theres no such thing as favortism...you run well renowned fan sites, yes...but that shouldnt exempt you from the rules of the game. Shit, your start status is enough, now u wanna be treated different from the rest?
good on CCP for doing this _____________________
Originally by: Locus Bey Intelligence isn't a prequisite for being a Goon, in fact its a deficit.
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Aclyn Seriy
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2008.08.27 18:22:00 -
[818]
Originally by: Seeing EyeDog
Originally by: Chribba So as of today, a new policy has been adapted by CCP regarding high-sec capitals, you know those historic icons that was already regulated by non-combat/exploit rules...
It has now been decided that these icons no longer can reside in high-sec no matter that they where built when they were allowed to. About a year ago, CCP made policy changes when the Rorqual was introduced and nerfed them to low-sec just as the first ones was scheduled to come out of the assembly arrays of the few left in high-sec.
Now a year later all other high-sec capitals (except freighters/JF's) and they are being moved to low-sec all around New Eden.
This imo is a stupid policy change! The capitals was historic icons, people flew long ways to view these ships. They became tourist attractions, added imo great value to the game. But now they are plain useless.
I do understand the "want" of not having capitals in high-sec, but seriously, what threat did these few capitals pose? None, as they were already regulated by the non-combat rules!
Especially shame for those who recently paid billions for high-sec capitals, only to have them nerfed weeks later. And for those who still has their capitals in high-sec, love them now, soon they won't be in your hangar in high-sec.
So CCP, I'm really looking forward to reading your public announcement of this policy change and the explanation of the decision.
/c
quit your ****ing whining...theyre doing their best to ensure theres no such thing as favortism...you run well renowned fan sites, yes...but that shouldnt exempt you from the rules of the game. Shit, your start status is enough, now u wanna be treated different from the rest?
good on CCP for doing this
try reading the rest of the thread you dipshit. only Chribbas Veldnaught got moved, it seems everyone else was allowed to keep their high-sec capital ships. now gtfo
Originally by: techzer0 I'm the failboat captain
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Kenneth McCoy
Vale Heavy Industries Molotov Coalition
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Posted - 2008.08.27 18:22:00 -
[819]
Originally by: Seeing EyeDog
Originally by: Chribba So as of today, a new policy has been adapted by CCP regarding high-sec capitals, you know those historic icons that was already regulated by non-combat/exploit rules...
It has now been decided that these icons no longer can reside in high-sec no matter that they where built when they were allowed to. About a year ago, CCP made policy changes when the Rorqual was introduced and nerfed them to low-sec just as the first ones was scheduled to come out of the assembly arrays of the few left in high-sec.
Now a year later all other high-sec capitals (except freighters/JF's) and they are being moved to low-sec all around New Eden.
This imo is a stupid policy change! The capitals was historic icons, people flew long ways to view these ships. They became tourist attractions, added imo great value to the game. But now they are plain useless.
I do understand the "want" of not having capitals in high-sec, but seriously, what threat did these few capitals pose? None, as they were already regulated by the non-combat rules!
Especially shame for those who recently paid billions for high-sec capitals, only to have them nerfed weeks later. And for those who still has their capitals in high-sec, love them now, soon they won't be in your hangar in high-sec.
So CCP, I'm really looking forward to reading your public announcement of this policy change and the explanation of the decision.
/c
quit your ****ing whining...theyre doing their best to ensure theres no such thing as favortism...you run well renowned fan sites, yes...but that shouldnt exempt you from the rules of the game. Shit, your start status is enough, now u wanna be treated different from the rest?
good on CCP for doing this
Jealousy is ugly, mmkay?
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Maria Kalista
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Posted - 2008.08.27 18:25:00 -
[820]
Originally by: Seeing EyeDog vomit
It is, not about chribba, it is about CCP removing landmarks away from EVE, without any explanation before or afterwards.
Only this time they went too far. ----------
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Xavier Isaacson
Minmatar Hollow World Mining Corporation QUANT Hegemony
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Posted - 2008.08.27 18:26:00 -
[821]
Put the nerf bat down and step away from the Veldnaught or we will taze you bro.
Give the Chrib back his Veldnaught CCP, or take away ALL high sec cap ships. You talk about balance? well where is that balance now eh?
Originally by: Verone BBC Trust are a sack of arses.
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oilio
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.08.27 18:26:00 -
[822]
There was no necessity for CCP to do this.
Someone at CCP must have just thought "right, we're gonna shift any remaining capitals out of high sec".
This is bullshit. WHY THE HELL ARE THEY MUCKING ABOUT WITH STUPID TRIVIA LIKE THIS WHEN THERE'S SO MUCH ELSE THEY SHOULD BE PUTTING RIGHT???
Absolutely PATHETIC. Shows why all the other crap in the game is just left to fester - some jobsworth is focused on the tiny details that aren't an issue at all, whilst COMPLETELY IGNORING all the MAJOR issues this game has.
My sympathies to Chribba. CCP suck.
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JoDan Troikian
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Posted - 2008.08.27 18:27:00 -
[823]
Seeingeye.. I thought I had addressed that earlier in my original post. I understand that caps are not to be in hisec. You sir, are forgetting that Chribba's dread was built PRIOR to this rule. Please read the rest of the thread. EVE is more than a sets of rules and isk. New players seem to get lost on this fact from time to time.
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Ga'len
Neo Spartans
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Posted - 2008.08.27 18:28:00 -
[824]
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH CCP!!!
Making a major change to the game without a formal announcement is a huge no-no. Don't follow the example of Sony Online Entertainment!!!
SOE changed SWG with no notice, a complete game revamp.
CCP is changing the rules with no announcement for high sec capitals.
Should we be looking for SOE history to repeat itself here with EVE Online?
CCP, what the frak are you doing? Are you TRYING TO KILL THE GAME?!?!?!
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Death4free
Caldari Death Monkey's With Knives
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Posted - 2008.08.27 18:32:00 -
[825]
good 2 c even carebears are being burnt by the new ccp ideas Eve information kiosk
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Xtro 2
Caldari El Bastardos EVESpace
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Posted - 2008.08.27 18:32:00 -
[826]
everyone in the history of eve has been affected by game changes, 1 man no matter how helpful to the community has no greater right to complain than any other.
if this was any other player or any other subject there would simply be a wave of "adapt/l2p" replys.
shit happens, has for years, and still will, its annoying but pff, ccp borked up and still will.
Xtro 2 - Tactically Insane Tradesman. Insanity, or madness, is a semi-permanent, severe mental disorder. |
Zomiaen
Gallente Ore Mongers Black Hand.
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Posted - 2008.08.27 18:34:00 -
[827]
Originally by: Xtro 2 everyone in the history of eve has been affected by game changes, 1 man no matter how helpful to the community has no greater right to complain than any other.
if this was any other player or any other subject there would simply be a wave of "adapt/l2p" replys.
shit happens, has for years, and still will, its annoying but pff, ccp borked up and still will.
The fuss isn't because Chribba is well known, it's because his ship AND the other high sec capitals are all well known. If any of the other high sec capitals had been moved, then the same fuss would be happening. ---
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Shaikar
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2008.08.27 18:36:00 -
[828]
Thats terrible.
The Veldnaught is (was, I guess) one of the biggest player made icons in high-sec. Sure it did nothing in mechanics terms that other ships couldn't do better but that isn't the point. In fact if "it was just to look at, didn't do much useful" is an argument for removing it then it;' just as good an argument for leaving it the hell alone.
Stupid move for silly reasons.
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Schalac
Caldari Apocalypse Reign
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Posted - 2008.08.27 18:36:00 -
[829]
Originally by: Zomiaen
Originally by: Schalac
Originally by: JoDan Troikian In closing, CCP restore the caps that ALREADY existed in hisec, as you had a "gentleman's" agreement with these players, and they did indeed enrich many young players experience, not just mine.
How about no. What is the point of a veldspar mining dread? Other than the fact that it has a tank that would take many many BSs to suicide it? They are right, no exceptions should be made. If you want to fly a cap ship then do it in low sec where you can actually use the thing for what it's purpose is.
You have no idea about the history of the Veldnought and the other capitals? Chribba built the thing there before CCP changed that, and never bothered to move it, instead using it to show anyone who wanted to see it (and of course, mining veldspar). What's the point of a veldspar mining dread? Why not? It's a piece of EVE history now, and since other high-sec capitals haven't been moved, there is no reason for it to have been, or for any of the others to be moved.
They are like museum pieces, for example, if you've ever been to New York or heard of it, the USS Intrepid. Part of the Intrepid Sea, Air & Space Museum. The ship wasn't meant to be used as a museum, but yet it is. Think of the Veldnought as the same, and there you have it.
Nor do I care about the history of it.
Also the USS intrepid severed its time in war. What has the veldnought done besides mined ore in an almost completely safe from suicide ganks platform?
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DogSlime
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2008.08.27 18:38:00 -
[830]
Rotten trick by CCP.
You would think they had bigger issues to worry about.
I've said it before - Eve lives (for the moment) in spite of CCP, not because of them. |
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Sierra Rogue
Amarr Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.08.27 18:39:00 -
[831]
Originally by: Chribba So as of today, a new policy has been adapted by CCP regarding high-sec capitals, you know those historic icons that was already regulated by non-combat/exploit rules...
It has now been decided that these icons no longer can reside in high-sec no matter that they where built when they were allowed to. About a year ago, CCP made policy changes when the Rorqual was introduced and nerfed them to low-sec just as the first ones was scheduled to come out of the assembly arrays of the few left in high-sec.
Now a year later all other high-sec capitals (except freighters/JF's) and they are being moved to low-sec all around New Eden.
This imo is a stupid policy change! The capitals was historic icons, people flew long ways to view these ships. They became tourist attractions, added imo great value to the game. But now they are plain useless.
I do understand the "want" of not having capitals in high-sec, but seriously, what threat did these few capitals pose? None, as they were already regulated by the non-combat rules!
Especially shame for those who recently paid billions for high-sec capitals, only to have them nerfed weeks later. And for those who still has their capitals in high-sec, love them now, soon they won't be in your hangar in high-sec.
So CCP, I'm really looking forward to reading your public announcement of this policy change and the explanation of the decision.
/c
This is a BS move, CCP..it has that "NGE" feel to it, and we all know how the NGE turned out..
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spiderppig
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Posted - 2008.08.27 18:41:00 -
[832]
hmmmmm seems like a decent idea to allow this account to go inactive after sept 10th......
some1 needs to start drowning people in the fish tank soon
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Jakooni
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Posted - 2008.08.27 18:41:00 -
[833]
Restore the Veldnaught and all other high-sec capital ships!
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Hegbard
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Posted - 2008.08.27 18:42:00 -
[834]
When CCP was giving BPOs to the favourites, people whined. When CCP treats everyone equally, people whine.
Booohoo, they took away someones toy.
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JoDan Troikian
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Posted - 2008.08.27 18:45:00 -
[835]
Originally by: Schalac
Originally by: Zomiaen
Originally by: Schalac
Originally by: JoDan Troikian In closing, CCP restore the caps that ALREADY existed in hisec, as you had a "gentleman's" agreement with these players, and they did indeed enrich many young players experience, not just mine.
How about no. What is the point of a veldspar mining dread? Other than the fact that it has a tank that would take many many BSs to suicide it? They are right, no exceptions should be made. If you want to fly a cap ship then do it in low sec where you can actually use the thing for what it's purpose is.
You have no idea about the history of the Veldnought and the other capitals? Chribba built the thing there before CCP changed that, and never bothered to move it, instead using it to show anyone who wanted to see it (and of course, mining veldspar). What's the point of a veldspar mining dread? Why not? It's a piece of EVE history now, and since other high-sec capitals haven't been moved, there is no reason for it to have been, or for any of the others to be moved.
They are like museum pieces, for example, if you've ever been to New York or heard of it, the USS Intrepid. Part of the Intrepid Sea, Air & Space Museum. The ship wasn't meant to be used as a museum, but yet it is. Think of the Veldnought as the same, and there you have it.
Nor do I care about the history of it.
Also the USS intrepid severed its time in war. What has the veldnought done besides mined ore in an almost completely safe from suicide ganks platform?
You are a shining example of fail sir. Go back to WoW or whatever Runescape-esque cesspool that you came from. A few of us actually care about this game, and from the amount of posts here, I would say you have again, missed the point. It has no bearing that it is Chribba. It has everything to do with what was Already in place, and it carrys a certain value with the playerbase. Troll elsewhere.
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Atherin Gaius
Caldari Domini Umbrus Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2008.08.27 18:45:00 -
[836]
Originally by: Seeing EyeDog
Originally by: Chribba So as of today, a new policy has been adapted by CCP regarding high-sec capitals, you know those historic icons that was already regulated by non-combat/exploit rules...
It has now been decided that these icons no longer can reside in high-sec no matter that they where built when they were allowed to. About a year ago, CCP made policy changes when the Rorqual was introduced and nerfed them to low-sec just as the first ones was scheduled to come out of the assembly arrays of the few left in high-sec.
Now a year later all other high-sec capitals (except freighters/JF's) and they are being moved to low-sec all around New Eden.
This imo is a stupid policy change! The capitals was historic icons, people flew long ways to view these ships. They became tourist attractions, added imo great value to the game. But now they are plain useless.
I do understand the "want" of not having capitals in high-sec, but seriously, what threat did these few capitals pose? None, as they were already regulated by the non-combat rules!
Especially shame for those who recently paid billions for high-sec capitals, only to have them nerfed weeks later. And for those who still has their capitals in high-sec, love them now, soon they won't be in your hangar in high-sec.
So CCP, I'm really looking forward to reading your public announcement of this policy change and the explanation of the decision.
/c
quit your ****ing whining...theyre doing their best to ensure theres no such thing as favortism...you run well renowned fan sites, yes...but that shouldnt exempt you from the rules of the game. Shit, your start status is enough, now u wanna be treated different from the rest?
good on CCP for doing this
Hello, McFly! anyone home?
He doesn't want to be treated different, he wants CCP to follow the policy they had previously set up, that capitals that had never left High Sec space could stay provided they never utilized their weapons systems, and if they left high space they couldn't get back in.
This is about the dumbest use of dev/programmer time that CCP has ever had. It will make no impact on game play other than having 10 more caps on the market, and destroying a piece of EVE community history.
hopefully the intense backlash this is causing in the forums will help them see the error of their ways.
Glad I got to see it before CCP hit the anti-fun button.
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Mitchman
Omniscient Order Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.08.27 18:46:00 -
[837]
Notice how noone from CCP has yet to comment on this. I wonder why?
Last video: Pride, Honor & Retribution
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Traidor Disloyal
I Am Not A Lawyer
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Posted - 2008.08.27 18:47:00 -
[838]
Originally by: Ga'len SOE changed SWG with no notice, a complete game revamp.
CCP is changing the rules with no announcement for high sec capitals.
You're equating this to what SOE did to SWG? Get a grip man, it aint even close. What SOE did to SWG was hot, sweaty, man sex without permission. What CCP did here was a finger up someones nose.
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Sierra Rogue
Amarr Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.08.27 18:47:00 -
[839]
Originally by: JoDan Troikian Edited by: JoDan Troikian on 27/08/2008 18:10:41 I have seen Chribba in Amarr mining in his veldnaught before, and tbh, it was the first dread that I ever saw. I understand the trolls refering to the fact that caps are not allowed in hi-sec and no exceptions should be made. I also think that their responses have been answered in regards to all of the hi sec caps were given specific rules and violation of them would have been dealt with them harshly and swiftly. I would hope that all the hisec caps that were operating under the premise that they were already operating under, should be allowed to stay. A case could be made that if one of these players sold his/her account, that the new owner would violate these terms. I don't think that however would be reason enough not to allow them to continue however. Chribba's presence amongst the eve population makes this a better experience for everyone. The fact that he has a cap in hisec really has nothing to do with this. Also, the fact that players paid billions to gain a cap in hisec really is irrelevant to the debate as well. In closing, CCP restore the caps that ALREADY existed in hisec, as you had a "gentleman's" agreement with these players, and they did indeed enrich many young players experience, not just mine.
I've never even seen it
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Amira Silvermist
The Aegis Militia Aegis Militia
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Posted - 2008.08.27 18:49:00 -
[840]
What a shame CCP... ----------------------------------------------------------------------
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THEGREAT LOBO
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2008.08.27 18:52:00 -
[841]
i never got to see it as well :(
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Donatien de'Sade
Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2008.08.27 18:53:00 -
[842]
Posting in support
CCP
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Schalac
Caldari Apocalypse Reign
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Posted - 2008.08.27 18:53:00 -
[843]
Originally by: JoDan Troikian
Originally by: Schalac
Originally by: Zomiaen
Originally by: Schalac
Originally by: JoDan Troikian In closing, CCP restore the caps that ALREADY existed in hisec, as you had a "gentleman's" agreement with these players, and they did indeed enrich many young players experience, not just mine.
How about no. What is the point of a veldspar mining dread? Other than the fact that it has a tank that would take many many BSs to suicide it? They are right, no exceptions should be made. If you want to fly a cap ship then do it in low sec where you can actually use the thing for what it's purpose is.
You have no idea about the history of the Veldnought and the other capitals? Chribba built the thing there before CCP changed that, and never bothered to move it, instead using it to show anyone who wanted to see it (and of course, mining veldspar). What's the point of a veldspar mining dread? Why not? It's a piece of EVE history now, and since other high-sec capitals haven't been moved, there is no reason for it to have been, or for any of the others to be moved.
They are like museum pieces, for example, if you've ever been to New York or heard of it, the USS Intrepid. Part of the Intrepid Sea, Air & Space Museum. The ship wasn't meant to be used as a museum, but yet it is. Think of the Veldnought as the same, and there you have it.
Nor do I care about the history of it.
Also the USS intrepid severed its time in war. What has the veldnought done besides mined ore in an almost completely safe from suicide ganks platform?
You are a shining example of fail sir. Go back to WoW or whatever Runescape-esque cesspool that you came from. A few of us actually care about this game, and from the amount of posts here, I would say you have again, missed the point. It has no bearing that it is Chribba. It has everything to do with what was Already in place, and it carrys a certain value with the playerbase. Troll elsewhere.
So I'm a WOW fanboy now because I don't care about some guy that mines in a dread? I'll tell you what is truly fail. Using a frackin dread to mine veldspar. That is the very definition of fail. In high sec no less. "Oh look at the dread OOOOH AHHHH OOOOOOOOH..." Really.
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Jamie Freely
Gallente Trading and Industry LLC
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Posted - 2008.08.27 18:54:00 -
[844]
I would like to see a response from CCP as to why they felt a need to change the system.
I understand why they stopped allowing capitals in high-sec but if CCP feels it was to level the field then I call for removal of all T2 BPO as we can no longer get them. Also the removal of all the STATE special ships because we are no longer able to get these within the game mechanics.
I would like to at least read why CCP felt the need to change the system even if I have no say or able to respond.
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Uncle Mo
Infusion. The Firm.
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Posted - 2008.08.27 18:56:00 -
[845]
I have read this thread.
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Neermark
JotunHeim Hird X13 Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.27 18:57:00 -
[846]
Originally by: Jamie Freely I would like to see a response from CCP as to why they felt a need to change the system.
I understand why they stopped allowing capitals in high-sec but if CCP feels it was to level the field then I call for removal of all T2 BPO as we can no longer get them. Also the removal of all the STATE special ships because we are no longer able to get these within the game mechanics.
I would like to at least read why CCP felt the need to change the system even if I have no say or able to respond.
If we want a fair game all high end learning implants should be ripped out off peoples clones because we can't get that either !!!
Shame on you CCP. So much for promoting a democratic mmo...
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Guttripper
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.08.27 19:00:00 -
[847]
Perhaps the macro miners complained they could not get a dread to defend themselves from getting ganked...
While I never saw the ship, I would like to see it returned to high security space. It is a relic of the old days still active today. But if CCP is "cleaning house", then perhaps they should just delete most of the chronicles too, since those are relics in their own right.
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Ga'len
Neo Spartans
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Posted - 2008.08.27 19:01:00 -
[848]
Wow, page 29 and no formal response from CCP.
Looks like Sony Online Entertainment is calling the shots now people. This is the EXACT same thing they did to their playerbase with Star Wars Galaxies.
You would think, with all the server performance issues causing lag that they would have addressed what needed to be addressed.
This action is complete and utter bull.
Look, Lean Six Sigma quick wins always result in a corporate failure, SOE learned that lesson the hard way.
CCP, listen up, you are really screwing yourselves by turning your customers against you.
Come fanfest, you ALL will be catching an earful from many players.
Be ready.
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Gonada
Gallente R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.08.27 19:02:00 -
[849]
Originally by: Schalac
Quote: So I'm a WOW fanboy now because I don't care about some guy that mines in a dread? I'll tell you what is truly fail. Using a frackin dread to mine veldspar. That is the very definition of fail. In high sec no less. "Oh look at the dread OOOOH AHHHH OOOOOOOOH..." Really.
yes you are the typical WoW fanboy... IE stupid as hell.
pull your head out of your arse and do some investigating before you spout off again you idiot.
in EvE, there are some individuals that do more for the game then the devs themselves.
Please, jump into traffic
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Gimpb
Sturmgrenadier Inc Cosmic Anomalies
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Posted - 2008.08.27 19:02:00 -
[850]
Originally by: LaVista Vista Dear CCP.
I hope for you that this actually makes a different beyond upsetting the community.
It better cure 2 types of cancer and solve all lag. Else, this is a horrible horrible move which in my eyes, should be reversed
Much Love Me.
Yep, if there's a good reason... a really good reason, then so be it.
Perhaps I'm blind, but I see no such reason.
All this sort of thing does is **** people off. Collector's items are a big part of eve, and a high sec cap is a collector's item.
So... why? Just why? As the saying goes, if it isn't broken, don't fix it. So... why?
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Larkonis Trassler
Neo Spartans
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Posted - 2008.08.27 19:02:00 -
[851]
I'd just like to add to my previous statement. I am a Hisec cap ship owner and for the record mine has not been moved yet (although I'm waiting for them to come for me).
I bought it as a toy, something to sit around in and play with when I was bored. It served no real purpose, I had a carrier in lowsec for that.
Take it away from me for good reason and I personally won't be bothered, but if I had been in Chribba's position and awoke to find it moved, well, rage. I was planning on selling it maybe in the near future (had offers of up to 5 bil) but it didn't cost me much more than a vanilla Thanny in the first place, nothing lost nothing gained.
At least some reason should have been given, and the lack of Dev responses in this thread is indicitive of their current contempt for the player base. Taking down LSAA's in hisec with the Rorqual inbound I agree with, but this serves no purpose other than to alienate players (mainly due to Chribba and the holy Veldnaught, had it happened to anyone else I doubt there would have been such an outcry). The devs need to really look at the route their taking with this game and have a long hard think about what they're doing. Even a relatively minor change has provoked this outcry amongst the community despite it not affecting 99% of the posters in this thread. Assumption of Risk |
Sral TBear
Mark Of Chaos
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Posted - 2008.08.27 19:03:00 -
[852]
its sad. Many new players had there cap ship thrill goal set after seing the veldnaught...
CCP eve made werry clear rules about those left in empire. They could not under any cirkumstance be used in agony, agression or something that just smells like combat, or they would be removed.
If someone have broken that rule, a general punishment is not ok
If its because of someone calling it cheat etc, all i can say...grow up, a "market" ship at 1 BIL even 2 Bil stuck in empire with no way comming back in.....get over it...
But if those who have them are using them to get isk (let them become werry rare and sell them for lots of isk) i have a problem with it. These empire cap ships are kinda of milestones in eve, what happend the day the caps got stuck in eve, you know what i meen.....
Im sad they are gone, but if they remove monuments, there is the eve gate, the giant black thingy, Titan wrecks etc...lets remove all player driven content.....and let eve become a static world (space) game like WOW
Tbear
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V0idz
Herrscher der Zeit
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Posted - 2008.08.27 19:07:00 -
[853]
+ support.
an official word from ccp would be nice. _____________________________________ EVE is like the "Fisherman's Friend" of MMOs. If it's too hard, you are too weak. |
baltec1
Antares Shipyards Vanguard.
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Posted - 2008.08.27 19:08:00 -
[854]
Originally by: Schalac So I'm a WOW fanboy now because I don't care about some guy that mines in a dread? I'll tell you what is truly fail. Using a frackin dread to mine veldspar. That is the very definition of fail. In high sec no less. "Oh look at the dread OOOOH AHHHH OOOOOOOOH..." Really.
That ship is/was the eve equivilent of the HMS Belfast in london. The fact that it was used for mining was what made it so special. Hundreds of people have flown to amarr just to see it.
Also if it was not for a veldnought interview posted on the SWG forums I would not have even known about this game. CCP better have a damn good reason for this.
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Ga'len
Neo Spartans
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Posted - 2008.08.27 19:09:00 -
[855]
Originally by: V0idz + support.
an official word from ccp would be nice.
Well, we are now coming into page 30, good luck on any honest response from CCP. Looks like when CCP Taera passed away, so did the respect for their customers, it's like she was the only one that really cared anymore.
I really hope that is not true.
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Vincent Gaines
Avis de Captura
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Posted - 2008.08.27 19:09:00 -
[856]
Edited by: Vincent Gaines on 27/08/2008 19:14:27 Somewhere in Iceland.....
"Ok gents, let's see...war decs are out of whack, lag is horrific, there's no bounty system, there's a huge imbalance shipwise in the game, 0.0 alliances are stagnating especially with cynojammers, the market is in shambles because of farming, our database is 2 years old, low sec is a barren wasteland, inflation and personal wealth is srsly high, oh, and some idiots tried to smartbomb the Veldnought. Shit, a cap in hi sec? Oh HELL no!"
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Benny Honna
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Posted - 2008.08.27 19:10:00 -
[857]
Could it have been removed because of the Hammerfail incident? I assume that would technically be PVP if Hi-sec cap owners were not allowed to participate.
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Reyrith
Shadow Company G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2008.08.27 19:11:00 -
[858]
It saddens me to see CCP do something like this.
You, at the very least, owe the playerbase a statement on why you carried out an unmotivated change. |
Conq Er
Sweetrock Mining
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Posted - 2008.08.27 19:11:00 -
[859]
I blame Hammerfail Industries!!!
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Stepler
Sturmgrenadier Inc Cosmic Anomalies
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Posted - 2008.08.27 19:13:00 -
[860]
Posting in support of this. CCP needs to respond to this - I don't see what possible good this nerf does. Like others said, maybe I cannot see it, but if there is once CCP needs to clearly state their reasoning, otherwise they're going to come off looking like tools nerfing things for no reason.
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Sierra Rogue
Amarr Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.08.27 19:13:00 -
[861]
let me tell you why this bothers me..I've not invested years of my life here, I'm a hit and run player, in for a month or 2 then on to something else, but I always come back because of the depth of gameplay. I'm amazed that such a game exists where, if you really dedicate yourself to it, you can own a carrier, a mothership, a dread..it's a real accomplishment. Random changes like this destroy the immersion, and devalues the hard work of people like Chribba. What they did here was say, "hey, these are just pixels, they're meaningless, let's just **** shit up, who cares". Well, it matters..CCP, put his ship back, and don't touch any of the other ones either...then, come on these forums and apologize for even THINKING UP this bullshit...then, don't EVER be so cavalier with your players, especially one like chribba who has, with all of his various sites, PUT MONEY IN YOUR ****ING POCKET, BECAUSE NO OTHER GAME HAS THIS MUCH PLAYER DEDICATION, IT'S A SELLING POINT WHEN PEOPLE ARE CONSIDERING SUBSCRIBING TO EVE, YOU ****ING MORONS!!!! JESUS CHRIST!! /rant off
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Aurore Delilah
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Posted - 2008.08.27 19:14:00 -
[862]
Originally by: Conq Er I blame Hammerfail Industries!!!
Wardec Hammerfail industries for this outrage!!
Honestly though, CCP, If you've ONLY moved Chribbas Veldnaught and left other high sec caps as they are (as seems apparent from the other high sec cap owners posting in this thread), then you owe Chribba an explanation at the least, And possibly an apology as well. |
Hemroid
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Posted - 2008.08.27 19:14:00 -
[863]
Originally by: Dizeezer Velar i blame hammerfall ceo
^^This
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Ga'len
Neo Spartans
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Posted - 2008.08.27 19:15:00 -
[864]
Originally by: Stepler Posting in support of this. CCP needs to respond to this - I don't see what possible good this nerf does. Like others said, maybe I cannot see it, but if there is once CCP needs to clearly state their reasoning, otherwise they're going to come off looking like tools nerfing things for no reason.
Yup, they must be nerfing for no reason other than to **** off the community.
Come on people, we need to keep this going. CCP needs to TRULY understand that their contempt for the playerbase (as Larkonis Trassler, my CEO and in game GOD put it) needs to stop.
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Cs3Sl2
Caldari Wreckless Abandon Un-Natural Selection
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Posted - 2008.08.27 19:15:00 -
[865]
Originally by: Terianna Eri
Originally by: Darkireland So was this done for any reason other than to show the player base ccp no longer gives a shit about them?
With all due respect to CCP I'm pretty sure that the decision to do this wasn't made with a "hur hur, let's make sure everyone hates us" attitude.
Nevertheless...
You guys are sure doing a good job of making sure of just that.
Seriously. I'm not particularly angry - I can't be, it's not my game - but I am disappointed. I am disappointed in whoever thought this was a good, or even acceptable, idea, and disappointed in whoever condoned the action, and disappointed in everyone who heard about it and didn't speak up with "are you insane? It's the freaking veldnaught?" Why in the world would you do this? Was Chribba dominating the Amarr market for Veldspar and you're nerfing him directly? Did being able to fit 3 mining lasers to a capital ship give him an unfair advantage? (How much veld/sec does the veldnaught even eat anyway)
Or was it like "hey, this is a minor, meaningless inconsistency with the game, better fix it and get it out of the way."?
Or was it some GM who didn't quite realize why exactly the veldnaught - and other hisec capitals - were still in hisec in the first place, and just made an honest mistake?
The Veldnaught is famous. People travel from all over New Eden to get a look at it. How else is a new player likely to see a capital and get that sense of scale, without getting blown up in some supercapital fight?
What possible reason could there be to do this?
Fun fact - favoritism is only a bad thing if it goes to undeserving people or if it provides a real benefit to the player. Chribba of all people is deserving of such a thing and I think everyone knows it. And to be honest, having the privelige of mining in a dreadnaught in Amarr isn't really a benefit. It's just cool.
CCP... you're slipping, and it makes me very sad. Faction warfare is meaningless - I thought you were going to let us, the players, actually affect something, but taking control of systems - really the only thing you can do aside from shoot other people - is pointless, so you spent 1-2 years designing, basically, what Red vs. Blue did first. The speed changes are imho excessive - it's like you brainstormed all the ways you could nerf speed, and then did all of them at once. You've nerfed privateers long ago (by the way, that was lame), are going to nerf suicide ganking in the near future (yep, protect those people too lazy to protect themselves, that's what EVE is about... right?), and I'm not looking forward to your changes to the wardec mechanisms - you're talking about giving us specific goals and victory conditions, but hey, you promised that with FW and look where that got us. And most disturbingly you seem to have this tendency to make changes to the game with a huge freaking hammer, ****ing all over what the players have worked hard to make. Get rid of all junk cans? fine. Get rid of the collective history of the new eden system and the eve gate, all the cans put there by players? lame. Forcing Azia to move her cemetery? lame. Get any combative capitals out of highsec? fine. Move an iconic ship belonging to the one player who has probably done the most for you? (Eve-files, eve-search, etc) Very, very lame.
Let's be honest here. EVE's gameplay isn't the best. It needs some work. But half the reason I stick with the game is because I think you folks at CCP do a good job and genuinely care about the players and what we've done.
I still think you do. But you're choosing a really, really terrible way to go about it. ... And it's harder to believe, now, that you're not going to keep trashing what the players have done like this for the sake of equality and consistency, so you can present that face to the new players you're always trying to bring in.
So I'm not angry, but I am... Disappointed... Worried...
And feeling cheated.
Turn yourselves around, CCP. ~Terianna Eri
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Cs3Sl2
Caldari Wreckless Abandon Un-Natural Selection
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Posted - 2008.08.27 19:16:00 -
[866]
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ This
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Traidor Disloyal
I Am Not A Lawyer
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Posted - 2008.08.27 19:16:00 -
[867]
Originally by: Sierra Rogue PUT MONEY IN YOUR ****ING POCKET, BECAUSE NO OTHER GAME HAS THIS MUCH PLAYER DEDICATION, IT'S A SELLING POINT WHEN PEOPLE ARE CONSIDERING SUBSCRIBING TO EVE, YOU ****ING MORONS!!!! JESUS CHRIST!! /rant off
Oh yeah, that's going to get em to respond. They going to come a runnin now.
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P'uck
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Posted - 2008.08.27 19:17:00 -
[868]
IF theyre going to do this, they should get their act together, imho. I mean... I can see, why CCP wants to get the last caps out of highsec. But still... eve, sandbox and all. they could be a LOT more creative about it... ie, get a drunken dev eidolon raid to gank the living shit out of the veldnaught.
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Corduroy Rab
Xenocidal Uprising
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Posted - 2008.08.27 19:17:00 -
[869]
I really do hope this was a mistake.
With all the other issues in this game wasting time to do something like this is crazy. I would really love to hear CCPs reason for this, because sitting from my seat it looks like CCP just caused much outrage for no real reason.
I have usually tried to be supportive of the stances CCP have taken but with this I cannot, setting CCP to -5.0
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Sierra Rogue
Amarr Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.08.27 19:18:00 -
[870]
Originally by: Traidor Disloyal
Originally by: Sierra Rogue PUT MONEY IN YOUR ****ING POCKET, BECAUSE NO OTHER GAME HAS THIS MUCH PLAYER DEDICATION, IT'S A SELLING POINT WHEN PEOPLE ARE CONSIDERING SUBSCRIBING TO EVE, YOU ****ING MORONS!!!! JESUS CHRIST!! /rant off
Oh yeah, that's going to get em to respond. They going to come a runnin now.
Are you unfamiliar with the term "rant?"
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Lothendra
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.08.27 19:19:00 -
[871]
Not happy at all with this heinous crime committed against Chribba. Reverse it immediately!
I was planning on making a pilgrim to see the great Veldnaught in action, and now there's no point.
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Ga'len
Neo Spartans
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Posted - 2008.08.27 19:20:00 -
[872]
Originally by: Corduroy Rab I really do hope this was a mistake.
With all the other issues in this game wasting time to do something like this is crazy. I would really love to hear CCPs reason for this, because sitting from my seat it looks like CCP just caused much outrage for no real reason.
I have usually tried to be supportive of the stances CCP have taken but with this I cannot, setting CCP to -5.0
I think that we ALL hope this was a mistake.
CCP needs to make a formal announcement NOW.
They need to apologize to Chribba NOW.
They need to get their act together, NOW!!!
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Drunk Driver
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.08.27 19:22:00 -
[873]
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Claudia Voltaire
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Posted - 2008.08.27 19:23:00 -
[874]
Edited by: Claudia Voltaire on 27/08/2008 19:23:36
Originally by: V0idz + support.
an official word from ccp would be nice.
Why?
The op has been given clear instruction by a gm (the eve system) as to the course of action they wish to take and reason why.
Disapointed in the poster tbh, he knows this is not the way to resolve his issue, if ccp were to cave in and allow him exception after making it public knowledge, they would be completely without face.
Having said that though, if they had done it behind the back and made single exception, it would have been another scandal as soon as somebody said 'hey not him' mine did ect..
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Nikita Alterana
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.08.27 19:25:00 -
[875]
everyone who wants to help Chribba, fly a petition telling ccp to move the veldnaught back to highsec! __________________________________________________ |
Traidor Disloyal
I Am Not A Lawyer
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Posted - 2008.08.27 19:27:00 -
[876]
Originally by: Sierra Rogue
Originally by: Traidor Disloyal
Originally by: Sierra Rogue PUT MONEY IN YOUR ****ING POCKET, BECAUSE NO OTHER GAME HAS THIS MUCH PLAYER DEDICATION, IT'S A SELLING POINT WHEN PEOPLE ARE CONSIDERING SUBSCRIBING TO EVE, YOU ****ING MORONS!!!! JESUS CHRIST!! /rant off
Oh yeah, that's going to get em to respond. They going to come a runnin now.
Are you unfamiliar with the term "rant?"
No.
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Mei Yiao
Ever Flow
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Posted - 2008.08.27 19:29:00 -
[877]
That's pretty sad...
A unique piece of Eve gone, just to straighten out some edges. Stupid soulless bureaucracy...
Really a shame :(
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ChrissyDDD
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Posted - 2008.08.27 19:30:00 -
[878]
Oh Chribba Well you came and you gave without taking but they sent you away, oh Chribba
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Caldreean
Dawnwalkers
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Posted - 2008.08.27 19:30:00 -
[879]
Still waiting to hear why this occurred. It's hard to imagine CCP using Chribba as a selling point for Eve (and they have) then do this. You got some balls there CCP, I'll say that.
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Ga'len
Neo Spartans
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Posted - 2008.08.27 19:32:00 -
[880]
Originally by: Claudia Voltaire Edited by: Claudia Voltaire on 27/08/2008 19:23:36
Originally by: V0idz + support.
an official word from ccp would be nice.
Why?
The op has been given clear instruction by a gm (the eve system) as to the course of action they wish to take and reason why.
Disapointed in the poster tbh, he knows this is not the way to resolve his issue, if ccp were to cave in and allow him exception after making it public knowledge, they would be completely without face.
Having said that though, if they had done it behind the back and made single exception, it would have been another scandal as soon as somebody said 'hey not him' mine did ect..
The OP states that all high sec caps are being moved to low sec as per 'game policy', read the first line of the post again.
This is a change from the current policy without an official announcement to the community, whereas you can't engage in combat with a high sec capital and if you followed those rules, you could have a high sec cap.
That's where a good part of the outrage is coming from, the lack a formal communication from CCP to it's playerbase. Lately, we are all being treated like a boil on someone's neck and everyone is tired of that blatant disrespect.
You can **** off your customers only so much, then they engage in public outcry.
If you don't understand this, then you need to read the post again. Then look at all the hard work, time and money Chribba has put into this game. He's a vital part of the community. People sign up and play this game because of his celebrity. He's brought a lot to this game.
His complaint is a valid complaint and like so many of his efforts, it's not cenetered on just him. He is bringing attention to an issue that affects ALL high sec cap ships and yes, there are more than 1, there are more than 5, there are a large number of them out there.
I myself don't have one, but the spirit of his complaint, sweeping game changing policy changes without a formal public notice to it's playerbase is an issue that has destroyed other MMO's out there.
CCP needs to correct this, NOW!!
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Hammerfail CEO
Caldari Hammerfail Industries
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Posted - 2008.08.27 19:33:00 -
[881]
Originally by: Benny Honna Could it have been removed because of the Hammerfail incident? I assume that would technically be PVP if Hi-sec cap owners were not allowed to participate.
I believe you are referring to the Hammerfall incident.
Hammerfail Industries has shown no malice towards Chribba or the Veldnaught.
This is indeed a travesty and I hope the Veldnaught has a speedy return to Amarr. Hammerfail Industries Professional Mercenary Solutions Accept no substitutes or imposters! |
Ace101
Dark Knights of Deneb Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2008.08.27 19:34:00 -
[882]
gg ccp, gg.
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ImUrDestiny
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.08.27 19:34:00 -
[883]
Aww CCP stepped on a sandcastle that somebody made in the sandbox...
Lol, it's obvious that CCP doesn't give a shit about you Chribba. The only solution is to quit the game. Best solution anyhow, since it's just too addictive, just go cold turkey
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Benny Honna
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Posted - 2008.08.27 19:37:00 -
[884]
Originally by: Hammerfail CEO
Originally by: Benny Honna Could it have been removed because of the Hammerfail incident? I assume that would technically be PVP if Hi-sec cap owners were not allowed to participate.
I believe you are referring to the Hammerfall incident.
Hammerfail Industries has shown no malice towards Chribba or the Veldnaught.
This is indeed a travesty and I hope the Veldnaught has a speedy return to Amarr.
My apologies. I meant no disrespect upon your fine, upstanding corp. I hope you can understand my mistake
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Ga'len
Neo Spartans
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Posted - 2008.08.27 19:40:00 -
[885]
Originally by: ImUrDestiny Aww CCP stepped on a sandcastle that somebody made in the sandbox...
Lol, it's obvious that CCP doesn't give a shit about you Chribba. The only solution is to quit the game. Best solution anyhow, since it's just too addictive, just go cold turkey
If Chribba quits, there goes EVE files, EVE agent, EVE search, EVE Live, etc...
John Smedley of SOE destroyed player relations in single day and didn't responded for his actions for over a month. How did he respond? He was forced to by a class action lawsuit for a textbook case of 'bait and switch'.
That's not the case here, but enacting a sweeping game changing policy without a public announcement reeks of the kind of attitude that surrounded the T20 incident. You just started to repair the damage with the CSM finally becoming a reality and now you do this.
Trust is hard earned and today CCP has shown that they can not be trusted. 30 pages and no response, not even a "we are looking at the issue and we are trying to reach a decision" response.
CCP, get on the ball here, you are loosing it fast!!!
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Rostran Targo
Minmatar Kinda'Shujaa
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Posted - 2008.08.27 19:44:00 -
[886]
WHAAAAAAAAAAT!?!?!?
CCP had better have a DAMN GOOD REASON for doing this, hence the use of bold, italics and underline. and now you are looking at my signature.
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Theo Samaritan
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2008.08.27 19:45:00 -
[887]
Am I the only one who is reminded of the LSAA removal a year ago? CCP pulled the same stunt then as well, didn't tell anybody at all what they had done until the LSAA owners petitioned the unanchoring of them.
We don't mind if there has been a policy change, but we would like to have been told beforehand. Some of us are beginning to feel like CCP doesn't want the older player to hang around.
Now yes this is an alt, even at october 06, and yes I own a highsec capital. No, I don't speak for all highsec capital owners.
But to repeat what I said in an EVE Tribune article when the LSAA's were moved: If CCP did a change such as removing a thousand cap from all the battleship's total without telling anyone before hand, you would all be pretty ****ed off no?
Same deal here. ______________ New Eden Radio. Launching at 7pm EVE time on the 31st of August 2008. Be there.
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Laia Merrun
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Posted - 2008.08.27 19:45:00 -
[888]
I cannot begin to say how much this saddens me. I've heard of the legendary Veldnaught, but I have never seen it. Now I may never get a chance to.
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GM Grimmi
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Posted - 2008.08.27 19:46:00 -
[889]
Greetings everyone,
About those capital ships in high secà
First, IÆd like to apologize for this whole debacle. The simple truth is that our policies on capitals in high sec were not all that clear internally as well as officially. In hindsight, we should have given the matter more thought and discussion before acting, a valuable lesson to learn and weÆll remember it in the future. The general idea was that no capitals should be allowed in high sec and then we had some vague un-official guidelines on ships built before changes and whatnot. Those rules were never really actually set in stone and hence the situation we face now.
This is an excellent opportunity to change all that. We have therefore decided to set the following rules for capitals in high sec:
1. Capital ships may under no circumstances be used for aggression.
2. If at war, or with war declaration pending, you may not take your capital ship out of station.
3. You may not use your capital shipÆs attributes to gain any sort of advantage over other players while in high security space.
4. Breach any of the above and receive 2 weeks ban and off to low sec with your capital.
Along with those brand new actual rules, we will move ChribbaÆs Veldnaught back to Amarr, and will also move any other capital ship, by request, that was built in high sec before these changes were introduced. Anyone who had a viable high sec capital moved and wants it back should petition and we will take care of it as soon as possible.
With actual official rules on capitals in high sec, we should be able to make things work without further issues. We will be diligent about enforcing the new rules and anyone found in breach of them will have the offending capital ship moved out of high sec without advance notice, reversal or reimbursement. A two-week ban will also be imposed on the owner.
Thank you for your feedback, patience and understanding.
GM Grimmi Lead Game Master |
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Delencia Lakat
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Posted - 2008.08.27 19:48:00 -
[890]
Hell yeah.
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Richard Garriott
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Posted - 2008.08.27 19:48:00 -
[891]
Edited by: Richard Garriott on 27/08/2008 19:50:22 Boom, good, 30 pages too late though.
edit:
Quote: 3. You may not use your capital ship’s attributes to gain any sort of advantage over other players while in high security space.
Really now? So much for clarification....
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Rutger Centemus
Gallente Joint Empire Squad
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Posted - 2008.08.27 19:48:00 -
[892]
Originally by: GM Grimmi ... statement ...
Thank you. *** My opinions are my own, and don't necessarily represent those of my corpmembers. |
Ga'len
Neo Spartans
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Posted - 2008.08.27 19:48:00 -
[893]
Originally by: GM Grimmi Greetings everyone,
About those capital ships in high secà
First, IÆd like to apologize for this whole debacle. The simple truth is that our policies on capitals in high sec were not all that clear internally as well as officially. In hindsight, we should have given the matter more thought and discussion before acting, a valuable lesson to learn and weÆll remember it in the future. The general idea was that no capitals should be allowed in high sec and then we had some vague un-official guidelines on ships built before changes and whatnot. Those rules were never really actually set in stone and hence the situation we face now.
This is an excellent opportunity to change all that. We have therefore decided to set the following rules for capitals in high sec:
1. Capital ships may under no circumstances be used for aggression.
2. If at war, or with war declaration pending, you may not take your capital ship out of station.
3. You may not use your capital shipÆs attributes to gain any sort of advantage over other players while in high security space.
4. Breach any of the above and receive 2 weeks ban and off to low sec with your capital.
Along with those brand new actual rules, we will move ChribbaÆs Veldnaught back to Amarr, and will also move any other capital ship, by request, that was built in high sec before these changes were introduced. Anyone who had a viable high sec capital moved and wants it back should petition and we will take care of it as soon as possible.
With actual official rules on capitals in high sec, we should be able to make things work without further issues. We will be diligent about enforcing the new rules and anyone found in breach of them will have the offending capital ship moved out of high sec without advance notice, reversal or reimbursement. A two-week ban will also be imposed on the owner.
Thank you for your feedback, patience and understanding.
GM Grimmi Lead Game Master
FINALLY A RESPONSE.
CCP, YOU TOOK FAR TOO LONG TO RESPOND, BUT THANK YOU FOR FINALLY GETTING ON THE BALL.
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Moirae Arachnea
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Posted - 2008.08.27 19:49:00 -
[894]
I have very fond memories of being in a belt in amarr mining in my destroyer, when suddenly this massive ship warps in, blows my mind with it's size, and then turns on MINING LASERS. Chribba said HI! and soon the belt was filled with many people admiring the Veldnaught. Several brought semi-rare ships of their own to show off as well.
This was a fantastic moment in my early memories of Eve as Cyrus Brassballs (R.I.P) and one I personally think really made my entire day that day as I had been in a foul mood, but Chribba flying the Veldnaught, and everyone being so pleased to see such an ICON in high-sec boosted my mood.
For CCP to have done this, reversing a stated policy concerning high-sec Capitals and then to do so w/o any warning, or giving any of the owners the choice of where to have their ships relocated and just choosing some random location to drop them in, is high handed, underhanded, and smacks of draconian idiocy from on high.
I move ya'll move the Veldnaught and all other High-Sec Capitals right back where ya took em from or we declare war on the Jove!
MA
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SirKaill
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.08.27 19:49:00 -
[895]
yay i still get to see it this weekend woot
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Disco Flint
The Flaming Sideburn's
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Posted - 2008.08.27 19:49:00 -
[896]
\o/ hooray for the veldnought and the other highsec caps!
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TheCraftyHippo
Minmatar Vanguard Frontiers Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2008.08.27 19:49:00 -
[897]
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Mikael Rex
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Posted - 2008.08.27 19:50:00 -
[898]
Good show, I'll say.
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ChrissyDDD
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Posted - 2008.08.27 19:50:00 -
[899]
It took you a day, for that?
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Kage Getsu
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
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Posted - 2008.08.27 19:50:00 -
[900]
Once again CCP caves to whining. _________________________________________________________
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Grimpak
Gallente Trinity Nova Trinity Nova Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.27 19:50:00 -
[901]
\o/ ---
Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.
ain't that right. |
Kuzya Morozov
Gallente L8L8L8
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Posted - 2008.08.27 19:50:00 -
[902]
Cry more about it because you can't keep your sad dread in hisec.
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Haradgrim
Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2008.08.27 19:51:00 -
[903]
Originally by: GM Grimmi Greetings everyone,
About those capital ships in high secà
First, IÆd like to apologize for this whole debacle. The simple truth is that our policies on capitals in high sec were not all that clear internally as well as officially. In hindsight, we should have given the matter more thought and discussion before acting, a valuable lesson to learn and weÆll remember it in the future. The general idea was that no capitals should be allowed in high sec and then we had some vague un-official guidelines on ships built before changes and whatnot. Those rules were never really actually set in stone and hence the situation we face now.
This is an excellent opportunity to change all that. We have therefore decided to set the following rules for capitals in high sec:
1. Capital ships may under no circumstances be used for aggression.
2. If at war, or with war declaration pending, you may not take your capital ship out of station.
3. You may not use your capital shipÆs attributes to gain any sort of advantage over other players while in high security space.
4. Breach any of the above and receive 2 weeks ban and off to low sec with your capital.
Along with those brand new actual rules, we will move ChribbaÆs Veldnaught back to Amarr, and will also move any other capital ship, by request, that was built in high sec before these changes were introduced. Anyone who had a viable high sec capital moved and wants it back should petition and we will take care of it as soon as possible.
With actual official rules on capitals in high sec, we should be able to make things work without further issues. We will be diligent about enforcing the new rules and anyone found in breach of them will have the offending capital ship moved out of high sec without advance notice, reversal or reimbursement. A two-week ban will also be imposed on the owner.
Thank you for your feedback, patience and understanding.
GM Grimmi Lead Game Master
DAMAGE CONTROL II !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! --
Originally by: CCP Oveur ...every forum whine feels like a baby pony is getting killed
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Richard Garriott
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Posted - 2008.08.27 19:51:00 -
[904]
Originally by: Kuzya Morozov Cry more about it because you can't keep your sad dread in hisec.
Holy shit you're dumb.
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2008.08.27 19:51:00 -
[905]
Heh. "Let's poke the ant hive and see what happens." "OMG THEY ARE SWARMING ALL OVER ME HALP!!!"
-------- Ideas for: Mining
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Nikita Alterana
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.08.27 19:51:00 -
[906]
my faith in CCP has been restored. __________________________________________________ |
Death4free
Caldari Death Monkey's With Knives
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Posted - 2008.08.27 19:51:00 -
[907]
Edited by: Death4free on 27/08/2008 19:52:27 however hes not guna b mining anymore
read: not allowed to use it as an advantage a.k.a you cant mine cause i wont be able to sucidie gank u cheaply
owned tbh Eve information kiosk
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Ga'len
Neo Spartans
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Posted - 2008.08.27 19:52:00 -
[908]
Originally by: Kage Getsu Once again CCP caves to whining.
There is whining and there is honest discussion about a valid problem. This was a valid concern. Learn to understand the difference and you will enjoy the game that much more.
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2008.08.27 19:52:00 -
[909]
Originally by: GM Grimmi Greetings everyone,
About those capital ships in high secà
First, IÆd like to apologize for this whole debacle. The simple truth is that our policies on capitals in high sec were not all that clear internally as well as officially. In hindsight, we should have given the matter more thought and discussion before acting, a valuable lesson to learn and weÆll remember it in the future. The general idea was that no capitals should be allowed in high sec and then we had some vague un-official guidelines on ships built before changes and whatnot. Those rules were never really actually set in stone and hence the situation we face now.
This is an excellent opportunity to change all that. We have therefore decided to set the following rules for capitals in high sec:
1. Capital ships may under no circumstances be used for aggression.
2. If at war, or with war declaration pending, you may not take your capital ship out of station.
3. You may not use your capital shipÆs attributes to gain any sort of advantage over other players while in high security space.
4. Breach any of the above and receive 2 weeks ban and off to low sec with your capital.
Along with those brand new actual rules, we will move ChribbaÆs Veldnaught back to Amarr, and will also move any other capital ship, by request, that was built in high sec before these changes were introduced. Anyone who had a viable high sec capital moved and wants it back should petition and we will take care of it as soon as possible.
With actual official rules on capitals in high sec, we should be able to make things work without further issues. We will be diligent about enforcing the new rules and anyone found in breach of them will have the offending capital ship moved out of high sec without advance notice, reversal or reimbursement. A two-week ban will also be imposed on the owner.
Thank you for your feedback, patience and understanding.
GM Grimmi Lead Game Master
Thank you, and good to have the guidelines set straight.
Then the question from me about "You may not use your capital shipÆs attributes to gain any sort of advantage over other players while in high security space.":
Is mining in said ship, such an advantage? Basicly, am I allowed to mine in it or not?
/c
Secure 3rd party service ■ Veldspar |
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Kage Getsu
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
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Posted - 2008.08.27 19:53:00 -
[910]
Originally by: Ga'len
Originally by: Kage Getsu Once again CCP caves to whining.
There is whining and there is honest discussion about a valid problem. This was a valid concern. Learn to understand the difference and you will enjoy the game that much more.
And then there's 30 pages of sycophants going "NOOOO MY PRECIOUS VELDNAUGHT T_T" _________________________________________________________
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Ga'len
Neo Spartans
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Posted - 2008.08.27 19:53:00 -
[911]
Chribba, they finally responded. Now, since you obviously know how to rally the community around a valid issue, could you start a thread about the server lag issues?
You are on a roll here....
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Siigari Kitawa
Gallente The Aduro Protocol
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Posted - 2008.08.27 19:54:00 -
[912]
Woo \o/ chalk one up for Chribba.
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2008.08.27 19:54:00 -
[913]
Originally by: GM Grimmi
2. If at war, or with war declaration pending, you may not take your capital ship out of station.
So i can perma war dec chribba and we wont officially be able to undock in his ship to even cyno it into low sec
SKUNK
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JoDan Troikian
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Posted - 2008.08.27 19:54:00 -
[914]
Congratulations CCP for coming to your senses. A well thought out and articulate response, albeit a slow one, is better than none at all. Welcome back to Amarr, Chribba.
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Kage Getsu
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
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Posted - 2008.08.27 19:54:00 -
[915]
Originally by: Le Skunk
Originally by: GM Grimmi
2. If at war, or with war declaration pending, you may not take your capital ship out of station.
So i can perma war dec chribba and we wont officially be able to undock in his ship to even cyno it into low sec
SKUNK
If you don't do this I will. _________________________________________________________
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Xevan Templar
7th Batavian Squadron
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Posted - 2008.08.27 19:55:00 -
[916]
Edited by: Xevan Templar on 27/08/2008 19:56:45 Edited by: Xevan Templar on 27/08/2008 19:55:45
Originally by: GM Grimmi we will move ChribbaÆs Veldnaught back to Amarr, and will also move any other capital ship, by request, that was built in high sec before these changes were introduced. Anyone who had a viable high sec capital moved and wants it back should petition and we will take care of it as soon as possible.
Thank you for your feedback, patience and understanding.
GM Grimmi Lead Game Master
Nice. It's not my place to speak, but as I understand it, it was never an exploit, just an aftermatch if you will from changes to the game. I agree with the people that those last few Capitals (in highsec) are landmarks so to say in EVE. Never see one yet but I was looking forward to visit some. I hope to see Cribba's 'Veldnought' someday outside in space so I can take some screenshots
cheers for those who got their Capital back
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Jacob Mei
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Posted - 2008.08.27 19:55:00 -
[917]
Originally by: GM Grimmi Greetings everyone,
About those capital ships in high secà
First, IÆd like to apologize for this whole debacle. The simple truth is that our policies on capitals in high sec were not all that clear internally as well as officially. In hindsight, we should have given the matter more thought and discussion before acting, a valuable lesson to learn and weÆll remember it in the future. The general idea was that no capitals should be allowed in high sec and then we had some vague un-official guidelines on ships built before changes and whatnot. Those rules were never really actually set in stone and hence the situation we face now.
This is an excellent opportunity to change all that. We have therefore decided to set the following rules for capitals in high sec:
1. Capital ships may under no circumstances be used for aggression.
2. If at war, or with war declaration pending, you may not take your capital ship out of station.
3. You may not use your capital shipÆs attributes to gain any sort of advantage over other players while in high security space.
4. Breach any of the above and receive 2 weeks ban and off to low sec with your capital.
Along with those brand new actual rules, we will move ChribbaÆs Veldnaught back to Amarr, and will also move any other capital ship, by request, that was built in high sec before these changes were introduced. Anyone who had a viable high sec capital moved and wants it back should petition and we will take care of it as soon as possible.
With actual official rules on capitals in high sec, we should be able to make things work without further issues. We will be diligent about enforcing the new rules and anyone found in breach of them will have the offending capital ship moved out of high sec without advance notice, reversal or reimbursement. A two-week ban will also be imposed on the owner.
Thank you for your feedback, patience and understanding.
GM Grimmi Lead Game Master
Translation: We had a Newb GM on his first day today and decided to impress the boss by single handedly removing all capital ships to low sec. We have sence found said new GM and "reeducated him" with goold old fashion mo... CCP dev justice. -------------------------------- To borrow a phrase:
Players who post are like stars, there are bright ones and those who are dim.
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Cailais
Amarr VITOC
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Posted - 2008.08.27 19:55:00 -
[918]
About time.
All hail Chribba! All hail the veldnaught!
C.
Originally by: Tarminic Your continued whining is somewhat diminished by your continued willingness to give your money to CCP.
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Duncan MacPherson
Minmatar Black Lion Legion
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Posted - 2008.08.27 19:55:00 -
[919]
30+ pages of people complaining with out seeing what happened first. Awesome. Now I get to see this thing. Been in Domain for years and never even knew about this thing.
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Daan Sai
HAZCON Inc
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Posted - 2008.08.27 19:56:00 -
[920]
Thank goodness this was resolved sensibly. Thanks GM Gimmi and CCP for manning up and putting it right.
Cheers to the Veldnaught and all the other highsec Caps, long may they float.
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Seeing EyeDog
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Posted - 2008.08.27 19:56:00 -
[921]
Originally by: Ga'len
Originally by: Kage Getsu Once again CCP caves to whining.
There is whining and there is honest discussion about a valid problem. This was a valid concern. Learn to understand the difference and you will enjoy the game that much more.
where exactly was this "valid" concern? E-Celeb, chribba was unable to use his dreadnought to mine? Buy a Hulk? There, concern addressed. The favortisim does not portray CCP in a positive light now. Well done CCP, cave to Chribba's whines, whats next caving to the rest of the carebears? ohwai- already done. _____________________
Originally by: Locus Bey Intelligence isn't a prequisite for being a Goon, in fact its a deficit.
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Schalac
Caldari Apocalypse Reign
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Posted - 2008.08.27 19:56:00 -
[922]
Originally by: GM Grimmi Greetings everyone,
About those capital ships in high secà
First, IÆd like to apologize for this whole debacle. The simple truth is that our policies on capitals in high sec were not all that clear internally as well as officially. In hindsight, we should have given the matter more thought and discussion before acting, a valuable lesson to learn and weÆll remember it in the future. The general idea was that no capitals should be allowed in high sec and then we had some vague un-official guidelines on ships built before changes and whatnot. Those rules were never really actually set in stone and hence the situation we face now.
This is an excellent opportunity to change all that. We have therefore decided to set the following rules for capitals in high sec:
1. Capital ships may under no circumstances be used for aggression.
2. If at war, or with war declaration pending, you may not take your capital ship out of station.
3. You may not use your capital shipÆs attributes to gain any sort of advantage over other players while in high security space.
4. Breach any of the above and receive 2 weeks ban and off to low sec with your capital.
Along with those brand new actual rules, we will move ChribbaÆs Veldnaught back to Amarr, and will also move any other capital ship, by request, that was built in high sec before these changes were introduced. Anyone who had a viable high sec capital moved and wants it back should petition and we will take care of it as soon as possible.
With actual official rules on capitals in high sec, we should be able to make things work without further issues. We will be diligent about enforcing the new rules and anyone found in breach of them will have the offending capital ship moved out of high sec without advance notice, reversal or reimbursement. A two-week ban will also be imposed on the owner.
Thank you for your feedback, patience and understanding.
GM Grimmi Lead Game Master
So by these rules you are allowed to have a cap in high sec space but you can't do anything in it except sit outside of station with it. That means no ratting/mining/missioning. So please tell me what is the point of having a cap ship in high sec again?
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Gnulpie
Minmatar Miner Tech
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Posted - 2008.08.27 19:56:00 -
[923]
Yay!!
\o/
That is why CCP is good!
They actually listen to the playerbase and find a resonable solution which pleases everyone.
Great!
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quickshot89
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.08.27 19:57:00 -
[924]
long as the veldnaught can mine, we can be happy with CCP
although, ids no advantage IMO, its liek comparing a hulk to a bantam
put the skills in and your fine
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Jedek
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.08.27 19:57:00 -
[925]
So can I get my cap ships moved to and from highsec? Jesus look at this carebare crap.
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Schalac
Caldari Apocalypse Reign
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Posted - 2008.08.27 19:57:00 -
[926]
Originally by: Chribba
Originally by: GM Grimmi Greetings everyone,
About those capital ships in high secà
First, IÆd like to apologize for this whole debacle. The simple truth is that our policies on capitals in high sec were not all that clear internally as well as officially. In hindsight, we should have given the matter more thought and discussion before acting, a valuable lesson to learn and weÆll remember it in the future. The general idea was that no capitals should be allowed in high sec and then we had some vague un-official guidelines on ships built before changes and whatnot. Those rules were never really actually set in stone and hence the situation we face now.
This is an excellent opportunity to change all that. We have therefore decided to set the following rules for capitals in high sec:
1. Capital ships may under no circumstances be used for aggression.
2. If at war, or with war declaration pending, you may not take your capital ship out of station.
3. You may not use your capital shipÆs attributes to gain any sort of advantage over other players while in high security space.
4. Breach any of the above and receive 2 weeks ban and off to low sec with your capital.
Along with those brand new actual rules, we will move ChribbaÆs Veldnaught back to Amarr, and will also move any other capital ship, by request, that was built in high sec before these changes were introduced. Anyone who had a viable high sec capital moved and wants it back should petition and we will take care of it as soon as possible.
With actual official rules on capitals in high sec, we should be able to make things work without further issues. We will be diligent about enforcing the new rules and anyone found in breach of them will have the offending capital ship moved out of high sec without advance notice, reversal or reimbursement. A two-week ban will also be imposed on the owner.
Thank you for your feedback, patience and understanding.
GM Grimmi Lead Game Master
Thank you, and good to have the guidelines set straight.
Then the question from me about "You may not use your capital shipÆs attributes to gain any sort of advantage over other players while in high security space.":
Is mining in said ship, such an advantage? Basicly, am I allowed to mine in it or not?
/c
Nope. Because you gain an unfair advantage over other miners as to the fact that your tank far surpasses anything else that can be ganked in high sec while mining.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2008.08.27 19:57:00 -
[927]
Originally by: GM Grimmi Greetings everyone,
About those capital ships in high secà
First, IÆd like to apologize for this whole debacle. The simple truth is that our policies on capitals in high sec were not all that clear internally as well as officially. In hindsight, we should have given the matter more thought and discussion before acting, a valuable lesson to learn and weÆll remember it in the future. The general idea was that no capitals should be allowed in high sec and then we had some vague un-official guidelines on ships built before changes and whatnot. Those rules were never really actually set in stone and hence the situation we face now.
This is an excellent opportunity to change all that. We have therefore decided to set the following rules for capitals in high sec:
1. Capital ships may under no circumstances be used for aggression.
2. If at war, or with war declaration pending, you may not take your capital ship out of station.
3. You may not use your capital shipÆs attributes to gain any sort of advantage over other players while in high security space.
4. Breach any of the above and receive 2 weeks ban and off to low sec with your capital.
Along with those brand new actual rules, we will move ChribbaÆs Veldnaught back to Amarr, and will also move any other capital ship, by request, that was built in high sec before these changes were introduced. Anyone who had a viable high sec capital moved and wants it back should petition and we will take care of it as soon as possible.
With actual official rules on capitals in high sec, we should be able to make things work without further issues. We will be diligent about enforcing the new rules and anyone found in breach of them will have the offending capital ship moved out of high sec without advance notice, reversal or reimbursement. A two-week ban will also be imposed on the owner.
Thank you for your feedback, patience and understanding.
GM Grimmi Lead Game Master
Good response. Keeps the unique nature of the hisec capitals while preserving game balance. Fingers crossed cribba mining with his won't cause issues due to the absence of a mining bonus :)
Star Fraction | Dare to Dream!
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Traidor Disloyal
I Am Not A Lawyer
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Posted - 2008.08.27 19:58:00 -
[928]
Originally by: Richard Garriott Edited by: Richard Garriott on 27/08/2008 19:50:22 Boom, good, 30 pages too late though.
edit:
Quote: 3. You may not use your capital shipÆs attributes to gain any sort of advantage over other players while in high security space.
Really now? So much for clarification....
Yeah, I saw that. It is still wide open for interpretation. Almost big enough to drive a dread thru maybe?
--------------------------------------------- Love is having a second account with a cov ops pilot |
Xevan Templar
7th Batavian Squadron
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Posted - 2008.08.27 19:58:00 -
[929]
Originally by: Schalac
So by these rules you are allowed to have a cap in high sec space but you can't do anything in it except sit outside of station with it. That means no ratting/mining/missioning. So please tell me what is the point of having a cap ship in high sec again?
I would say, tourists
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Nekopyat
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Posted - 2008.08.27 19:59:00 -
[930]
Originally by: GM Grimmi
This is an excellent opportunity to change all that. We have therefore decided to set the following rules for capitals in high sec:
Ok, now here is a secondary question.
If CCP now has a well defined rule set about capital ship behavior in hi-sec, why not have an official way to move caps INTO hi-sec? If there is a firm guideline concerning how people must behave with them, I don't see a reason why they should not be allowed into hi-sec in general assuming players follow those rules (perhaps even coding in things like 'weapon goes on-line, CONCORD!')
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2008.08.27 19:59:00 -
[931]
Originally by: Schalac
/c
Nope. Because you gain an unfair advantage over other miners as to the fact that your tank far surpasses anything else that can be ganked in high sec while mining.
talk about petty
Star Fraction | Dare to Dream!
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SirKaill
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.08.27 19:59:00 -
[932]
Originally by: Schalac So by these rules you are allowed to have a cap in high sec space but you can't do anything in it except sit outside of station with it. That means no ratting/mining/missioning. So please tell me what is the point of having a cap ship in high sec again?
you pay people to see it?
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Mikael Mechka
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Posted - 2008.08.27 20:00:00 -
[933]
Thank you CCP for doing the right thing. My faith in your views of the player community had been badly shaken by this incident. You have gone a long way to restoring that faith.
Thank you.
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Kage Getsu
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
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Posted - 2008.08.27 20:01:00 -
[934]
Originally by: Mikael Mechka Thank you CCP for doing the right thing. My faith in your views of the player community had been badly shaken by this incident. You have gone a long way to restoring that faith.
Thank you.
"The right thing" meaning "caving to pressure". _________________________________________________________
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Schalac
Caldari Apocalypse Reign
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Posted - 2008.08.27 20:01:00 -
[935]
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Schalac
/c
Nope. Because you gain an unfair advantage over other miners as to the fact that your tank far surpasses anything else that can be ganked in high sec while mining.
talk about petty
What's petty about it? They could basically mine all day long and unless you bring an entire fleet of BSs to gank it they will never be brought down. Do other miners have this option? The answer is no so there is using it's attributes to gain an unfair advantage over other people.
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Anti Protagonist
Hiro Trade and Logistics
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Posted - 2008.08.27 20:01:00 -
[936]
Originally by: Kage Getsu
Originally by: Le Skunk
Originally by: GM Grimmi
2. If at war, or with war declaration pending, you may not take your capital ship out of station.
So i can perma war dec chribba and we wont officially be able to undock in his ship to even cyno it into low sec
SKUNK
If you don't do this I will.
I doubt that your CEO would agree. FRICK tends to have more sense than you've shown here. If I were your CEO, you'd be a former member in 24 hours.
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Dirk Magnum
Spearhead Endeavors
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Posted - 2008.08.27 20:02:00 -
[937]
Good call CCP. You thought things over and came to a rational conclusion.
Originally by: Kuzya Morozov Cry more about it because you can't keep your sad dread in hisec.
Someone didn't read the GM post
Now recruiting! Click FFS! :X |
Reyold Bengali
Caldari Core Research Expedition New Eden Research
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Posted - 2008.08.27 20:02:00 -
[938]
Originally by: GM Grimmi 3. You may not use your capital shipÆs attributes to gain any sort of advantage over other players while in high security space.
This section could be interpreted very broadly.
------- Never argue with an idiot. They'll drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience. |
Kage Getsu
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
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Posted - 2008.08.27 20:03:00 -
[939]
Originally by: Anti Protagonist
I doubt that your CEO would agree. FRICK tends to have more sense than you've shown here. If I were your CEO, you'd be a former member in 24 hours.
And that's why you're in a carebear corp. Luckily there are three character slots per account so it will be easy to create a war without involving my main. _________________________________________________________
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Drunk Driver
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.08.27 20:03:00 -
[940]
Originally by: Abrazzar Heh. "Let's poke the ant hive and see what happens." "OMG THEY ARE SWARMING ALL OVER ME HALP!!!"
Oh dude, belly laugh....
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Wa'roun
The Scope
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Posted - 2008.08.27 20:04:00 -
[941]
Originally by: GM Grimmi Greetings everyone,
About those capital ships in high sec…
First, I’d like to apologize for this whole debacle. The simple truth is that our policies on capitals in high sec were not all that clear internally as well as officially. In hindsight, we should have given the matter more thought and discussion before acting, a valuable lesson to learn and we’ll remember it in the future. The general idea was that no capitals should be allowed in high sec and then we had some vague un-official guidelines on ships built before changes and whatnot. Those rules were never really actually set in stone and hence the situation we face now.
This is an excellent opportunity to change all that. We have therefore decided to set the following rules for capitals in high sec:
1. Capital ships may under no circumstances be used for aggression.
2. If at war, or with war declaration pending, you may not take your capital ship out of station.
3. You may not use your capital ship’s attributes to gain any sort of advantage over other players while in high security space.
4. Breach any of the above and receive 2 weeks ban and off to low sec with your capital.
Along with those brand new actual rules, we will move Chribba’s Veldnaught back to Amarr, and will also move any other capital ship, by request, that was built in high sec before these changes were introduced. Anyone who had a viable high sec capital moved and wants it back should petition and we will take care of it as soon as possible.
With actual official rules on capitals in high sec, we should be able to make things work without further issues. We will be diligent about enforcing the new rules and anyone found in breach of them will have the offending capital ship moved out of high sec without advance notice, reversal or reimbursement. A two-week ban will also be imposed on the owner.
Thank you for your feedback, patience and understanding.
GM Grimmi Lead Game Master
#3 can be used as a huge, broad excuse for interpretation of the rules.
Someone can say his high sec cap mining asteroids gives an advantage since no rats can ever hurt his mining vessel. Join channel: "Eve University" or read here |
Akira2501
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Posted - 2008.08.27 20:04:00 -
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EveryoneÆs so quick to condemn CCPà see they did the right thing after all. Just a mistake.
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Terianna Eri
Amarr Scrutari
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Posted - 2008.08.27 20:05:00 -
[943]
YAAAAAAAAAAY!!!
I am worried about 2 things though.
1) does mining in the veldnaught constitute an unfair advantage?
2) does this mean that you can keep the veldnaught permanently docked by wardeccing chribba?
cause that'd be lame __________________________________
Originally by: Arthur Frayn How much to ruin all your holes, luv?
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards Vanguard.
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Posted - 2008.08.27 20:05:00 -
[944]
Originally by: Schalac
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Schalac
/c
Nope. Because you gain an unfair advantage over other miners as to the fact that your tank far surpasses anything else that can be ganked in high sec while mining.
talk about petty
What's petty about it? They could basically mine all day long and unless you bring an entire fleet of BSs to gank it they will never be brought down. Do other miners have this option? The answer is no so there is using it's attributes to gain an unfair advantage over other people.
You do know that a battlecruiser can extract more ore than the veldnought right?
The veldnought is a novelty ship, like the imperial issue apoc.
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Silam Ryder
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Posted - 2008.08.27 20:06:00 -
[945]
Ok, so aslong as I can make a ship with just as big tankor buffertank as his capital He can mine in it and all you petty people can go away?
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Hope Xar
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Posted - 2008.08.27 20:07:00 -
[946]
Excellent!
That is a really good move on CCP and shows their quality that they actually listen to their players!
Everyone can make mistakes, no doubt about this. But if the mistakes are corrected, then it shows the true quality there!
Many other people/corps would have just stuck to their wrong decision so that they "don't lose face" which is so wrong and only makes things much worse.
Not so CCP! They saw that that it was not a good decision and corrected it quickly. That is good.
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Apoctasy
The Python Cartel
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Posted - 2008.08.27 20:07:00 -
[947]
Originally by: Wa'roun
#3 can be used as a huge, broad excuse for interpretation of the rules.
Someone can say his high sec cap mining asteroids gives an advantage since no rats can ever hurt his mining vessel.
Exactly what I was thinking ----
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los ojos
COGNET SpaceSystems Ltd
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Posted - 2008.08.27 20:07:00 -
[948]
Hooray!!!
Now, while we're feeling good about ourselves, bring on the nano-nerf and maybe no one will notice!
Quick! Do it now!!!
lo
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Theo Samaritan
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2008.08.27 20:07:00 -
[949]
Originally by: Schalac That means no ratting/mining/missioning. So please tell me what is the point of having a cap ship in high sec again?
You can mine in them as they mine slower than a cruiser, and you never could mission or rat in one anyway. ______________ New Eden Radio. Launching at 7pm EVE time on the 31st of August 2008. Be there.
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Schalac
Caldari Apocalypse Reign
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Posted - 2008.08.27 20:07:00 -
[950]
Originally by: baltec1
Originally by: Schalac
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Schalac
/c
Nope. Because you gain an unfair advantage over other miners as to the fact that your tank far surpasses anything else that can be ganked in high sec while mining.
talk about petty
What's petty about it? They could basically mine all day long and unless you bring an entire fleet of BSs to gank it they will never be brought down. Do other miners have this option? The answer is no so there is using it's attributes to gain an unfair advantage over other people.
You do know that a battlecruiser can extract more ore than the veldnought right?
The veldnought is a novelty ship, like the imperial issue apoc. Does any battlecruiser have the cargo space that a dread has? Does any Battlecruiser have the tank that the dread has?
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Anti Protagonist
Hiro Trade and Logistics
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Posted - 2008.08.27 20:08:00 -
[951]
Originally by: Kage Getsu
Originally by: Anti Protagonist
I doubt that your CEO would agree. FRICK tends to have more sense than you've shown here. If I were your CEO, you'd be a former member in 24 hours.
And that's why you're in a carebear corp. Luckily there are three character slots per account so it will be easy to create a war without involving my main.
Sounds like bait for a griefing petition really. And you've posted your intentions here for a nice record.
As far as what corp I'm in... Assume all you want. The whole "don't judge a book by it's cover" thing.
Can we institute an age requirement for this game to keep the immature children out?
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Claudia Voltaire
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Posted - 2008.08.27 20:08:00 -
[952]
Originally by: Ga'len You can **** off your customers only so much, then they engage in public outcry.
If you don't understand this, then you need to read the post again. Then look at all the hard work, time and money Chribba has put into this game. He's a vital part of the community. People sign up and play this game because of his celebrity. He's brought a lot to this game.
His complaint is a valid complaint and like so many of his efforts, it's not cenetered on just him.
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Ohh im quite sure it revolves entirely around him, why he and he alone posted this knowing the ever so predictable reaction, even if he hadn't dripped it with semantics about caring for the fate of others.
And if you realy belive any of the above (the out of game provided services) should count toward personal exceptions ingame, then you're completly wrong, were ccp to do it, their name would be mud.
Made my point anyway, im sure it's been clearly understood by those that havn't been caught up in the stir frenzy of the op.
Sorry if i go against the grain, seen the good the bad and the ugly of ccp many times, this isn't one of them. Him posting this here wasn't his best option, by doing this he's only dug the hole he was in even deeper.
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Gone'Postal
Minmatar Warped Mining
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Posted - 2008.08.27 20:09:00 -
[953]
About time CCP.
Boost SISI VOTE NOW! |
Roy Batty68
Caldari Immortal Dead
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Posted - 2008.08.27 20:09:00 -
[954]
Originally by: Wa'roun
#3 can be used as a huge, broad excuse for interpretation of the rules.
Someone can say his high sec cap mining asteroids gives an advantage since no rats can ever hurt his mining vessel.
I could say the same thing about my mining rokh...
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Kage Getsu
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
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Posted - 2008.08.27 20:10:00 -
[955]
Originally by: Anti Protagonist
Sounds like bait for a griefing petition really. And you've posted your intentions here for a nice record.
As far as what corp I'm in... Assume all you want. The whole "don't judge a book by it's cover" thing.
Can we institute an age requirement for this game to keep the immature children out?
What a world we live in where people think that declaring war is griefing. _________________________________________________________
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2008.08.27 20:11:00 -
[956]
Originally by: Terianna Eri 2) does this mean that you can keep the veldnaught permanently docked by wardeccing chribba?
This rule does not make any difference when it comes to me. As I would never have undocked it anyway.
Secure 3rd party service ■ Veldspar |
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Stormwind Bloodfeather
Minmatar Sogdian Traders Inc
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Posted - 2008.08.27 20:11:00 -
[957]
Edited by: Stormwind Bloodfeather on 27/08/2008 20:14:37
Originally by: GM Grimmi
3. You may not use your capital shipÆs attributes to gain any sort of advantage over other players while in high security space.
This needs to be better defined. Chribba mines Veldspar in his Veldnaught and "some" will whine that he has an unfair advantage due to the Mining Lasers and Cargo capacity of the Veldnaught, I can already SEE someone making the mistake of claiming it's an unfair advantage "whine whine" concerning this. I think CCP needs to better define the "Unfair advantage" clause and make it very clear concerning the High-Sec Capitals what they can and can-not do to the nth degree. Currently this clause is rather vague and overly general...
Chribba: I am VERY happy to see you and the other High-Sec Capital ship owners got your ships back where they were. PLEASE be careful and ask for a clearer statement concerning rule 3, it has CCP WTF-PWN in waiting written all over it.
Storm
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Anti Protagonist
Hiro Trade and Logistics
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Posted - 2008.08.27 20:11:00 -
[958]
Originally by: Kage Getsu
Originally by: Anti Protagonist
Sounds like bait for a griefing petition really. And you've posted your intentions here for a nice record.
As far as what corp I'm in... Assume all you want. The whole "don't judge a book by it's cover" thing.
Can we institute an age requirement for this game to keep the immature children out?
What a world we live in where people think that declaring war is griefing.
Declaring war with the sole purpose of keeping him from undocking his cap ship is griefing if you ask me. Of course, children will be children.
I need a sig.... |
Kage Getsu
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
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Posted - 2008.08.27 20:13:00 -
[959]
Originally by: Anti Protagonist
Declaring war with the sole purpose of keeping him from undocking his cap ship is griefing if you ask me. Of course, children will be children.
News flash! Carebear thinks war is griefing! _________________________________________________________
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Falcon Troy
Caldari State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.08.27 20:14:00 -
[960]
Edited by: Falcon Troy on 27/08/2008 20:15:19
To all you idiots out there calling that Chribba's Veldnaught is an exploit because he's 'ungankable,' shut the **** up. It is gankable, albeit you might have to risk more of YOUR ISK to bring it down. I suppose if I deadspace tank a battleship and use it to mine forcing you to bring in multiple battleships then I'd be using an exploit as well? Get real and quit being jealous. The stupid ****s that post here...they amaze me so.
Since Chribba got his Veldnaught simply due to unusual circumstance instead of an actual exploit or glitch I suppose we should be taking action against those with unique ships as well. It's quite unfair that I did not receive one or even had the chance to try. _____________ Hai. |
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Schalac
Caldari Apocalypse Reign
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Posted - 2008.08.27 20:15:00 -
[961]
Originally by: Anti Protagonist
Originally by: Kage Getsu
Originally by: Anti Protagonist
Sounds like bait for a griefing petition really. And you've posted your intentions here for a nice record.
As far as what corp I'm in... Assume all you want. The whole "don't judge a book by it's cover" thing.
Can we institute an age requirement for this game to keep the immature children out?
What a world we live in where people think that declaring war is griefing.
Declaring war with the sole purpose of keeping him from undocking his cap ship is griefing if you ask me. Of course, children will be children.
So not only does he force CCPs hand with his notoriety, but also gets protection from war decs?
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Karmic
Caldari Dark Knights of Deneb
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Posted - 2008.08.27 20:15:00 -
[962]
Originally by: Kage Getsu
Originally by: Anti Protagonist
Declaring war with the sole purpose of keeping him from undocking his cap ship is griefing if you ask me. Of course, children will be children.
News flash! Carebear thinks war is griefing!
caod ---> I suggest you stop typing.
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Frug
Repo Industries R.E.P.O.
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Posted - 2008.08.27 20:15:00 -
[963]
CCP's internal structure is ****ing garbage.
Learn some communication.
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards Vanguard.
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Posted - 2008.08.27 20:16:00 -
[964]
Originally by: Schalac
Originally by: baltec1
Originally by: Schalac
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Schalac
/c
Nope. Because you gain an unfair advantage over other miners as to the fact that your tank far surpasses anything else that can be ganked in high sec while mining.
talk about petty
What's petty about it? They could basically mine all day long and unless you bring an entire fleet of BSs to gank it they will never be brought down. Do other miners have this option? The answer is no so there is using it's attributes to gain an unfair advantage over other people.
You do know that a battlecruiser can extract more ore than the veldnought right?
The veldnought is a novelty ship, like the imperial issue apoc.
Does any battlecruiser have the cargo space that a dread has? Does any Battlecruiser have the tank that the dread has?
Would you mine in a dread if you had one or use a hulk for making money?
The veldnought is not for making cash its for fun. Same as how the inperial issue apoc is for show and not pvp.
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Schalac
Caldari Apocalypse Reign
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Posted - 2008.08.27 20:17:00 -
[965]
Originally by: Falcon Troy Edited by: Falcon Troy on 27/08/2008 20:15:19
To all you idiots out there calling that Chribba's Veldnaught is an exploit because he's 'ungankable,' shut the **** up. It is gankable, albeit you might have to risk more of YOUR ISK to bring it down. I suppose if I deadspace tank a battleship and use it to mine forcing you to bring in multiple battleships then I'd be using an exploit as well? Get real and quit being jealous. The stupid ****s that post here...they amaze me so.
Since Chribba got his Veldnaught simply due to unusual circumstance instead of an actual exploit or glitch I suppose we should be taking action against those with unique ships as well. It's quite unfair that I did not receive one or even had the chance to try.
As could I, or someone else.
How many other people though can bring a dread into highsec and use it to mine? Oh what's that, no one that doesn't already have one.
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Kage Getsu
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
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Posted - 2008.08.27 20:18:00 -
[966]
Originally by: Karmic
caod ---> I suggest you stop typing.
Why don't you tell me what "caod" means and why I should stop? _________________________________________________________
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BlackMoon Thrawn
Stimulus
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Posted - 2008.08.27 20:18:00 -
[967]
Originally by: Kage Getsu
Originally by: Anti Protagonist
Declaring war with the sole purpose of keeping him from undocking his cap ship is griefing if you ask me. Of course, children will be children.
News flash! Carebear thinks war is griefing!
News flash! Dullard thinks people are fooled by his logical fallacy!
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Falcon Troy
Caldari State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.08.27 20:18:00 -
[968]
Edited by: Falcon Troy on 27/08/2008 20:19:30 He's a one man corp so war deccing him constantly without any goal or gain other than to interfere with his gameplay is griefing and is against the rules.
Originally by: Schalac
Originally by: Falcon Troy Edited by: Falcon Troy on 27/08/2008 20:15:19
To all you idiots out there calling that Chribba's Veldnaught is an exploit because he's 'ungankable,' shut the **** up. It is gankable, albeit you might have to risk more of YOUR ISK to bring it down. I suppose if I deadspace tank a battleship and use it to mine forcing you to bring in multiple battleships then I'd be using an exploit as well? Get real and quit being jealous. The stupid ****s that post here...they amaze me so.
Since Chribba got his Veldnaught simply due to unusual circumstance instead of an actual exploit or glitch I suppose we should be taking action against those with unique ships as well. It's quite unfair that I did not receive one or even had the chance to try.
As could I, or someone else.
How many other people though can bring a dread into highsec and use it to mine? Oh what's that, no one that doesn't already have one.
Hey I want a Gold Magnate, I never got the chance to have one. Whine ***** moan! _____________ Hai. |
Kage Getsu
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
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Posted - 2008.08.27 20:19:00 -
[969]
Edited by: Kage Getsu on 27/08/2008 20:19:42
Originally by: Falcon Troy He's a one man corp so war deccing him constantly without any goal or gain other than to interfere with his gameplay is griefing and is against the rules.
Better tell that to everyone who has ever declared war to disrupt operations or to ask for a ransom. _________________________________________________________
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Cyberman Mastermind
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Posted - 2008.08.27 20:19:00 -
[970]
Originally by: Schalac How many other people though can bring a dread into highsec and use it to mine? Oh what's that, no one that doesn't already have one.
What's your point? No one can bring a new dread to high-sec. Not even if he's called Chribba. You can buy one of those still in high-sec and use it to mine, though. |
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Claudia Jefferson
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Posted - 2008.08.27 20:20:00 -
[971]
Weeeee the community won :D
Hope they will let chribba and others mine in it still though.
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Falcon Troy
Caldari State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.08.27 20:21:00 -
[972]
Originally by: Kage Getsu Edited by: Kage Getsu on 27/08/2008 20:19:42
Originally by: Falcon Troy He's a one man corp so war deccing him constantly without any goal or gain other than to interfere with his gameplay is griefing and is against the rules.
Better tell that to everyone who has ever declared war to disrupt operations or to ask for a ransom.
Disrupting operations or asking for a ransom is a end goal. Interfering with their gameplay has a financial or tactical goal. Deccing him to keep his dreadnaught that can't even agress? That's just griefing. _____________ Hai. |
Shanur
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.08.27 20:22:00 -
[973]
1. A hulk outmines a dreadought with ease. 2. Amarr is AFAIK a .9 sec system. That means no rats to tank. 3. If chribba were foolish enough to undock the veldnaught during a war we would not have had this discussion. Without CONCORD protection even a dread will be bled to death eventually by a pirate swarm. Otherworld enterprises is a one man corp so no one could help him out.
Of course he DOES have other ships at his disposal which are perfectly legitimate to use in high sec during a war
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Xiut
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.08.27 20:22:00 -
[974]
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Schalac
/c
Nope. Because you gain an unfair advantage over other miners as to the fact that your tank far surpasses anything else that can be ganked in high sec while mining.
talk about petty
HA ha ha.
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silent Serena
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Posted - 2008.08.27 20:23:00 -
[975]
Originally by: Schalac
Originally by: baltec1
Originally by: Schalac
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Schalac
/c
Nope. Because you gain an unfair advantage over other miners as to the fact that your tank far surpasses anything else that can be ganked in high sec while mining.
talk about petty
What's petty about it? They could basically mine all day long and unless you bring an entire fleet of BSs to gank it they will never be brought down. Do other miners have this option? The answer is no so there is using it's attributes to gain an unfair advantage over other people.
You do know that a battlecruiser can extract more ore than the veldnought right?
The veldnought is a novelty ship, like the imperial issue apoc.
Does any battlecruiser have the cargo space that a dread has? Does any Battlecruiser have the tank that the dread has?
You are aware that you can fit a commandship for 600 k effective hitpoints?
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P'uck
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Posted - 2008.08.27 20:24:00 -
[976]
Originally by: Ga'len 3. You may not use your capital shipÆs attributes to gain any sort of advantage over other players while in high security space.
doeth that meaneth, no afk mining in a dreadnaught?
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Frug
Repo Industries R.E.P.O.
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Posted - 2008.08.27 20:25:00 -
[977]
Originally by: Falcon Troy
Better tell that to everyone who has ever declared war to disrupt operations or to ask for a ransom.
Disrupting operations or asking for a ransom is a end goal. Interfering with their gameplay has a financial or tactical goal. Deccing him to keep his dreadnaught that can't even agress? That's just griefing.
Someone needs to repeat to you how many unique items this game has, and ask you if you're all for removing them from the game as well.
You're brilliant.
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Schalac
Caldari Apocalypse Reign
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Posted - 2008.08.27 20:26:00 -
[978]
Originally by: silent Serena
You are aware that you can fit a commandship for 600 k effective hitpoints?
Yes and everything that EFT says is how it works out in the game. . .
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Laae Aenus
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.08.27 20:28:00 -
[979]
ahaha, best thread ever 30 pages of whining how eve is being ruined... and now everyone is whining how ccp caved in. This forum is amazing.
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Sylvmar
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.08.27 20:29:00 -
[980]
Glad you've seen sense CCP. Keep up the good work.
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silent Serena
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Posted - 2008.08.27 20:30:00 -
[981]
Edited by: silent Serena on 27/08/2008 20:31:18
Originally by: Schalac
Originally by: silent Serena
You are aware that you can fit a commandship for 600 k effective hitpoints?
Yes and everything that EFT says is how it works out in the game. . .
Difference between you and me, I can afford it. Oh and regarding EFT, I do have commandships V and all the skills needed to make my EFT fit work. As a mather of fact I fly a very similar setup, Else i fitted dual reps instead and t2 aux nano pumps to rep more effecient..
Edit: oh but i dont use it for mining much
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards Vanguard.
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Posted - 2008.08.27 20:30:00 -
[982]
Originally by: Laae Aenus ahaha, best thread ever 30 pages of whining how eve is being ruined... and now everyone is whining how ccp caved in. This forum is amazing.
nah its just 3 or 4 complaining now.
We all know its just because they are bitter about not having a ship so popular that the community will stand up for it.
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Matjara Laahr
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Posted - 2008.08.27 20:31:00 -
[983]
Originally by: GM Grimmi GM Grimmi Lead Game Master
Thank You
btw, did you choose the 888th post on purpose?
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NightmareX
MAFIA Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2008.08.27 20:32:00 -
[984]
Edited by: NightmareX on 27/08/2008 20:31:56 CCP, make sure to slap that GM that did move his dread without reading the rules carefully enough before he did take action against Chribba.
Make them learn to NOT do mistakes like this one more time.
But yeah, good to see that Chribba's Veldnaught got moved back to Amarr.
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Schalac
Caldari Apocalypse Reign
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Posted - 2008.08.27 20:32:00 -
[985]
Originally by: silent Serena
Originally by: Schalac
Originally by: silent Serena
You are aware that you can fit a commandship for 600 k effective hitpoints?
Yes and everything that EFT says is how it works out in the game. . .
Difference between you and me, I can afford it. Oh and regarding EFT, I do have commandships V and all the skills needed to make my EFT fit work. As a mather of fact I fly a very similar setup, Else i fitted dual reps instead and t2 aux nano pumps to rep more effecient..
And what happens to your fit if someone gets a few large neuts on it? Must be one hell of a passive rep to get 600k effective with no power. . .
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Xevan Templar
7th Batavian Squadron
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Posted - 2008.08.27 20:35:00 -
[986]
Originally by: Chribba This rule does not make any difference when it comes to me. As I would never have undocked it anyway.
well bugger, can't make screenshots then
Or maybe only undock when payed to view, a real tourist attraction
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Ga'len
Neo Spartans
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Posted - 2008.08.27 20:37:00 -
[987]
Originally by: Akira2501 EveryoneÆs so quick to condemn CCPà see they did the right thing after all. Just a mistake.
That wasn't the issue. People are not quick to condemn CCP, they are quick to be angered by an obvious mistake that had no obvious thought behind it.
It's not irrational anger, it's dedication to making this a great game and a great player experience.
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Taross
Caldari Blue Sky Inc
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Posted - 2008.08.27 20:37:00 -
[988]
Thank you CCP. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels and filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie |
Falcon Troy
Caldari State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.08.27 20:37:00 -
[989]
Originally by: Schalac
Originally by: silent Serena
Originally by: Schalac
Originally by: silent Serena
You are aware that you can fit a commandship for 600 k effective hitpoints?
Yes and everything that EFT says is how it works out in the game. . .
Difference between you and me, I can afford it. Oh and regarding EFT, I do have commandships V and all the skills needed to make my EFT fit work. As a mather of fact I fly a very similar setup, Else i fitted dual reps instead and t2 aux nano pumps to rep more effecient..
And what happens to your fit if someone gets a few large neuts on it? Must be one hell of a passive rep to get 600k effective with no power. . .
Dude, get over it. You're wrong and you're just pulling straws at this point. Do us a favor and get out. _____________ Hai. |
TamiyaCowboy
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.08.27 20:37:00 -
[990]
1. get rid of the CSM
2. start listening too long term players, ones older than 2yrs not three day old idoits/alts
3. bring back keiron, bring back eve-tv, bring back ingame NCP RolePlay. remove warp too 0
i been playing since june 16th 2006, back then we had 500k sp (starting char) no warp too 0, no wrecks, no salvage. life was hard back then, it was the mad mwd rush too gates, the age of 10k bookmarks etc etc.
look at what eve is now. pilots are handed everything on a plate, just scream something needs nerf'ing and the next day the nerf is set. i realy do wonder if anyone in ccp plays eve now
why do i still play CCP. well i trusted you the very first day i logged onto tranquility. i trusted you when things went wrong (t20 and other stuff like the boot-ini) and when things went right. but alas my trust is fading CCP i feel you are letting us down as a playerbase. the dev blogs have gone down hill, the forum is lost now kieron has gone.
I want the 2006 CCP back !!!!! the ones that made me feel they cared about the game and about me, the CCP that made eve a challenge, the CCP that made earning a living in eve hard.
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Silam Ryder
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Posted - 2008.08.27 20:39:00 -
[991]
Edited by: Silam Ryder on 27/08/2008 20:39:01 Snip
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Hegbard
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Posted - 2008.08.27 20:39:00 -
[992]
Once again, CCP crumbles under the pressure of forum carebear whining.
While other issues remain unanswered, some stupid ship that doesn't belong in high sec (because no one else, but a select few favourites are allowed to build one), gets a response within 12 hours.
Congratulations CCP for showing once again that whining and crying is the most important weapons in this game.
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Cay Qel'Droma
Amarr RONA Corporation RONA Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.27 20:40:00 -
[993]
Originally by: GM Grimmi
...we will move ChribbaÆs Veldnaught back to Amarr, and will also move any other capital ship...
GM Grimmi Lead Game Master
Thank you, Grimmi and grats Chribba & the others. @whoever removed the Veldnaught : watch Amarr local when Chribba comes online
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Falcon Troy
Caldari State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.08.27 20:41:00 -
[994]
Edited by: Falcon Troy on 27/08/2008 20:46:58
Originally by: Hegbard Once again, CCP crumbles under the pressure of forum carebear whining.
While other issues remain unanswered, some stupid ship that doesn't belong in high sec (because no one else, but a select few favourites are allowed to build one), gets a response within 12 hours.
Congratulations CCP for showing once again that whining and crying is the most important weapons in this game.
Hey look guys, another alt. Wonder who it is...
Btw, your ignorance is showing. Way back when capital ships could be built in hi-sec, by anyone. However once you entered low-sec it was stuck there. Then CCP changed the rules but let whoever wanted to keep their capital in hi-sec do it as long as they didn't use it to attack anyone.
A select few were not just allowed to build theirs or take theirs into hi-sec because CCP favors them. Most people eventually brought their cap into low-sec because they were tired of it collecting dust in their hangers but a few decided to keep them as rare collector's items. Jealous much? Yeah I thought so.
Chribba isn't getting special treatment, rules were set and he followed them to keep his unique ship. Also, Yeah he is pretty special for being such a community man and yes he is better than the average player. I wouldn't take 100000000000000000 of you over a Chribba. Douchebag. _____________ Hai. |
Rafael Cane
Republic University
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Posted - 2008.08.27 20:44:00 -
[995]
Bad thing :(
Hadn¦t ccp so proud presented a mmo-maganzin which featured chribba a few months ago? |
Ga'len
Neo Spartans
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Posted - 2008.08.27 20:45:00 -
[996]
Originally by: Hegbard Once again, CCP crumbles under the pressure of forum carebear whining.
While other issues remain unanswered, some stupid ship that doesn't belong in high sec (because no one else, but a select few favourites are allowed to build one), gets a response within 12 hours.
Congratulations CCP for showing once again that whining and crying is the most important weapons in this game.
1. Post with your main, not your alt.
2. Chribba is one of MANY people who have high sec capital ships.
Get your facts straight, but I guess as an obvious forums troll, you simply have to post and sound like an idiot.
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Atlas Oracle
Minmatar Native Freshfood
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Posted - 2008.08.27 20:49:00 -
[997]
well done CCP for setting this right.
props and respect.
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Maxpie
Carrion Crows
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Posted - 2008.08.27 20:49:00 -
[998]
I'm happy to see CCP gave a specific rule clarification. This is a good thing and should be encouraged. In addition to that, I firmly believe it would have been the right thing to do even if Chribba was the only one with a high-sec cap. He deserves it and Eve is richer for little things like that that add flavor.
He put... creatures... in our bodies... to control our minds. He made us... say lies... do things. |
Rafael Cane
Republic University
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Posted - 2008.08.27 20:50:00 -
[999]
Originally by: GM Grimmi Greetings everyone,
....
GM Grimmi Lead Game Master
Ahhh,,,fixed it.
Thanks ccp.
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d'hofren
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.08.27 20:50:00 -
[1000]
Originally by: Schalac
Originally by: Falcon Troy Edited by: Falcon Troy on 27/08/2008 20:15:19
To all you idiots out there calling that Chribba's Veldnaught is an exploit because he's 'ungankable,' shut the **** up. It is gankable, albeit you might have to risk more of YOUR ISK to bring it down. I suppose if I deadspace tank a battleship and use it to mine forcing you to bring in multiple battleships then I'd be using an exploit as well? Get real and quit being jealous. The stupid ****s that post here...they amaze me so.
Since Chribba got his Veldnaught simply due to unusual circumstance instead of an actual exploit or glitch I suppose we should be taking action against those with unique ships as well. It's quite unfair that I did not receive one or even had the chance to try.
As could I, or someone else.
How many other people though can bring a dread into highsec and use it to mine? Oh what's that, no one that doesn't already have one.
You are being silly now:
A Dread is a subpar mining ship. Most Battleships and dedicated miners will out mine it.
A Dread isn't a super tanker. I could rig a fair few battleships to tank pretty damn well. Maybe well enough to resist a few BS ships until concord turns up. Dreads and carriers die to smallish battleship gank squads everyday. The veldnaught isn't a win button.
Really, you are just being petty and your arguments are horrendously flawed not to mention being embarrasingly self centered.
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chossuh
Southern Cross Incorporated Southern Cross Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.27 20:53:00 -
[1001]
Good job CCP recognizing that your game is your community. And although there are a significant number of players who do not know some of the lore of the odd things that happened along the development of this epic game... those of us that do appreciate keeping the history and franking the value intact.
I do not have a cap in hihghsec, but I do enjoy knowing that there is one out there minning the belts and reminding us this is a game, with changing rules to protect players but with some sense of humility and honor for her dedicated fans.
And for those of you that don't know, Chribba is a viatl part of the Super Cap economy. He's the way we fix problems today with trading these beasts... I for one would be sorely upset if he was shafted.
3 cheers for CCP getting this right.
Chossuh/Wizeline
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Neurotic Cat
Gallente Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
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Posted - 2008.08.27 20:54:00 -
[1002]
Quote: I doubt that your CEO would agree. FRICK tends to have more sense than you've shown here. If I were your CEO, you'd be a former member in 24 hours.
Your suggestion that FRICK has at some point shown "sense" proves to me that you are a clueless n00blet. Please don't attribute "sense" to my corp ever again.
on topic: I once built a dread in high sec. sure wish i had kept it there. it was an awesome mining platform. <sad>
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Chi Prime
Body Count Inc. The Requiem
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Posted - 2008.08.27 20:57:00 -
[1003]
Originally by: GM Grimmi we will move ChribbaÆs Veldnaught back to Amarr
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ElCoCo
KIA Corp KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.27 20:57:00 -
[1004]
1. GJ Grimmi on admitting a bad call 2. Your "rules" for maintaining the ships in highsec are um, meh but oh well. 3. A big boo hoo hoo for the jealous and petty ppl around here, go away, the services Chribba has provided for the community probably brought hundreds of ppl in the game. Boink! |
Xanos Blackpaw
Amarr The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2008.08.27 20:57:00 -
[1005]
i agree. leave chribbas veldnaught alone.
Playing minmatar is "like going down a flight of stairs in a office chair firing an Uzi". |
Haradgrim
Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2008.08.27 20:58:00 -
[1006]
Originally by: ElCoCo 1. GJ Grimmi on admitting a bad call 2. Your "rules" for maintaining the ships in highsec are um, meh but oh well. 3. A big boo hoo hoo for the jealous and petty ppl around here, go away, the services Chribba has provided for the community probably brought hundreds of ppl in the game.
I for one use EVE-search more than google..... scary I know --
Originally by: CCP Oveur ...every forum whine feels like a baby pony is getting killed
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MinSebsis
Minmatar CyPhEr TeChNoLoGiEs EvE Consortium
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Posted - 2008.08.27 21:00:00 -
[1007]
So ummm yeah did you get that memo on the TPS report I sent you!!!
Office space for the win.
At least CCP fixed it and put down the ground rules.
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Joey Meow
MURAKAMI INDUSTRIES
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Posted - 2008.08.27 21:00:00 -
[1008]
Originally by: Kuzya Morozov Cry more about it because you can't keep your sad dread in hisec.
Oh, and look how stupid you are Kyza Morozov......
Originally by: GM Grimmi Greetings everyone,
About those capital ships in high secà
First, IÆd like to apologize for this whole debacle. The simple truth is that our policies on capitals in high sec were not all that clear internally as well as officially. In hindsight, we should have given the matter more thought and discussion before acting, a valuable lesson to learn and weÆll remember it in the future. The general idea was that no capitals should be allowed in high sec and then we had some vague un-official guidelines on ships built before changes and whatnot. Those rules were never really actually set in stone and hence the situation we face now.
This is an excellent opportunity to change all that. We have therefore decided to set the following rules for capitals in high sec:
1. Capital ships may under no circumstances be used for aggression.
2. If at war, or with war declaration pending, you may not take your capital ship out of station.
3. You may not use your capital shipÆs attributes to gain any sort of advantage over other players while in high security space.
4. Breach any of the above and receive 2 weeks ban and off to low sec with your capital.
Along with those brand new actual rules, we will move ChribbaÆs Veldnaught back to Amarr, and will also move any other capital ship, by request, that was built in high sec before these changes were introduced. Anyone who had a viable high sec capital moved and wants it back should petition and we will take care of it as soon as possible.
With actual official rules on capitals in high sec, we should be able to make things work without further issues. We will be diligent about enforcing the new rules and anyone found in breach of them will have the offending capital ship moved out of high sec without advance notice, reversal or reimbursement. A two-week ban will also be imposed on the owner.
Thank you for your feedback, patience and understanding.
GM Grimmi Lead Game Master
Good Job CCP.
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Chillshock
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Posted - 2008.08.27 21:01:00 -
[1009]
Edited by: Chillshock on 27/08/2008 21:02:29 ak cool
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Hegbard
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Posted - 2008.08.27 21:02:00 -
[1010]
The most amusing thing that while this thread contains a blatant violation of forum rules by Chribba, the only thing CCP did was to bend over for him and beg for mercy. The other thread discussing this matter was locked.
Mmmm. no favourites. At all.
Everyone is treated equally.
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Joey Meow
MURAKAMI INDUSTRIES
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Posted - 2008.08.27 21:03:00 -
[1011]
Originally by: Hegbard The most amusing thing that while this thread contains a blatant violation of forum rules by Chribba, the only thing CCP did was to bend over for him and beg for mercy. The other thread discussing this matter was locked.
Mmmm. no favourites. At all.
Everyone is treated equally.
Originally by: Hegbard Once again, CCP crumbles under the pressure of forum carebear whining.
While other issues remain unanswered, some stupid ship that doesn't belong in high sec (because no one else, but a select few favourites are allowed to build one), gets a response within 12 hours.
Congratulations CCP for showing once again that whining and crying is the most important weapons in this game.
And S.T.F.U.
You are just jealous. Go away.
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Athre
Minmatar The Higher Standard
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Posted - 2008.08.27 21:04:00 -
[1012]
Originally by: GM Grimmi
stuff
Thank you for clarifying 1) what caused the problem and 2) enacting a resolution that will allow those who abide by the non aggression pact to continue to run Cap ships in Hi Sec with out causing imbalance.
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Chillshock
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Posted - 2008.08.27 21:04:00 -
[1013]
Its all good - chribba probably caused more income to CCP than any other single person in the eve-universe. Just by people being able to share stuff about eve online.
Old Caps in High-Sec are not Ships - more of Monuments.
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Captain Richthofen
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Posted - 2008.08.27 21:04:00 -
[1014]
Nice job ccp glad to hear you fixed a big mistake.
Chribba just a note you might want to edit your first post with the updated information as I doubt most people will bother to read 30+ pages.
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Schalac
Caldari Apocalypse Reign
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Posted - 2008.08.27 21:05:00 -
[1015]
Originally by: d'hofren
Originally by: Schalac
Originally by: Falcon Troy Edited by: Falcon Troy on 27/08/2008 20:15:19
To all you idiots out there calling that Chribba's Veldnaught is an exploit because he's 'ungankable,' shut the **** up. It is gankable, albeit you might have to risk more of YOUR ISK to bring it down. I suppose if I deadspace tank a battleship and use it to mine forcing you to bring in multiple battleships then I'd be using an exploit as well? Get real and quit being jealous. The stupid ****s that post here...they amaze me so.
Since Chribba got his Veldnaught simply due to unusual circumstance instead of an actual exploit or glitch I suppose we should be taking action against those with unique ships as well. It's quite unfair that I did not receive one or even had the chance to try.
As could I, or someone else.
How many other people though can bring a dread into highsec and use it to mine? Oh what's that, no one that doesn't already have one.
You are being silly now:
A Dread is a subpar mining ship. Most Battleships and dedicated miners will out mine it.
A Dread isn't a super tanker. I could rig a fair few battleships to tank pretty damn well. Maybe well enough to resist a few BS ships until concord turns up. Dreads and carriers die to smallish battleship gank squads everyday. The veldnaught isn't a win button.
Really, you are just being petty and your arguments are horrendously flawed not to mention being embarrasingly self centered.
Yes they do die everyday to small groups...that have the time to wear them down because those dreads and carriers aren't in highsec .9 where you would need lots and lots of BSs if you want to successfully gank it. Honestly I feel that if you want to have a capital ship it should be confined to the place that it was made for. High sec is not that place.
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Falcon Troy
Caldari State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.08.27 21:06:00 -
[1016]
Edited by: Falcon Troy on 27/08/2008 21:07:25
Originally by: Hegbard The most amusing thing that while this thread contains a blatant violation of forum rules by Chribba, the only thing CCP did was to bend over for him and beg for mercy. The other thread discussing this matter was locked.
Mmmm. no favourites. At all.
Everyone is treated equally.
Um...Chribba deserves to be treated better than the average player. He actually gives back to the community. GTFO. _____________ Hai. |
baltec1
Antares Shipyards Vanguard.
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Posted - 2008.08.27 21:10:00 -
[1017]
Originally by: Schalac
Originally by: d'hofren
Originally by: Schalac
Originally by: Falcon Troy Edited by: Falcon Troy on 27/08/2008 20:15:19
To all you idiots out there calling that Chribba's Veldnaught is an exploit because he's 'ungankable,' shut the **** up. It is gankable, albeit you might have to risk more of YOUR ISK to bring it down. I suppose if I deadspace tank a battleship and use it to mine forcing you to bring in multiple battleships then I'd be using an exploit as well? Get real and quit being jealous. The stupid ****s that post here...they amaze me so.
Since Chribba got his Veldnaught simply due to unusual circumstance instead of an actual exploit or glitch I suppose we should be taking action against those with unique ships as well. It's quite unfair that I did not receive one or even had the chance to try.
As could I, or someone else.
How many other people though can bring a dread into highsec and use it to mine? Oh what's that, no one that doesn't already have one.
You are being silly now:
A Dread is a subpar mining ship. Most Battleships and dedicated miners will out mine it.
A Dread isn't a super tanker. I could rig a fair few battleships to tank pretty damn well. Maybe well enough to resist a few BS ships until concord turns up. Dreads and carriers die to smallish battleship gank squads everyday. The veldnaught isn't a win button.
Really, you are just being petty and your arguments are horrendously flawed not to mention being embarrasingly self centered.
Yes they do die everyday to small groups...that have the time to wear them down because those dreads and carriers aren't in highsec .9 where you would need lots and lots of BSs if you want to successfully gank it. Honestly I feel that if you want to have a capital ship it should be confined to the place that it was made for. High sec is not that place.
war dec it and then pummel it with a few battleships. It cant fight back because that would break two rules and it would get kicked into low sec if it even manages to survive. That and the fact that it would have no tank at all and no offencive weapons.
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ArmyOfMe
Personal Vendetta Vendetta Alliance.
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Posted - 2008.08.27 21:10:00 -
[1018]
Originally by: Chribba Edited by: Chribba on 27/08/2008 19:57:32
Originally by: GM Grimmi stuff
Thank you, and good to have the guidelines set straight.
Then the question from me about "You may not use your capital shipÆs attributes to gain any sort of advantage over other players while in high security space.":
Is mining in said ship, such an advantage? Basicly, am I allowed to mine in it or not? As well as it's "unfair" cargo capacity?
/c
i doubt you mining veldspar will be considerd unfair advantage since a mining barge is better anyhow
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Karlemgne
Ghosts of the Revolution The Red Skull
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Posted - 2008.08.27 21:13:00 -
[1019]
Really? To be completely honest, who gives a shit? Why is this worth 30 pages? Capital ships aren't allowed in hi-sec. Until recently, the ones that were left in high-sec had been grandfathered in...
Why is it a big deal that CCP is just applying the no-capital-in-high sec policy universally (this should have been done from day 1).
That you're seriously complaining about this makes me question the collective sanity of the eve community.
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ArmyOfMe
Personal Vendetta Vendetta Alliance.
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Posted - 2008.08.27 21:13:00 -
[1020]
Originally by: Kage Getsu
Originally by: Anti Protagonist
Declaring war with the sole purpose of keeping him from undocking his cap ship is griefing if you ask me. Of course, children will be children.
News flash! Carebear thinks war is griefing!
i doubt thinking your an ******* is considerd carebearism tbfh
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Traidor Disloyal
I Am Not A Lawyer
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Posted - 2008.08.27 21:14:00 -
[1021]
Originally by: Falcon Troy Edited by: Falcon Troy on 27/08/2008 21:07:25
Originally by: Hegbard The most amusing thing that while this thread contains a blatant violation of forum rules by Chribba, the only thing CCP did was to bend over for him and beg for mercy. The other thread discussing this matter was locked.
Mmmm. no favourites. At all.
Everyone is treated equally.
Um...Chribba deserves to be treated better than the average player. He actually gives back to the community. GTFO.
Even if he got to kiss the Pope on his right cheek every other Tuesday he is no better then the rest of us when it comes to Eve.
--------------------------------------------- Love is having a second account with a cov ops pilot |
Schalac
Caldari Apocalypse Reign
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Posted - 2008.08.27 21:16:00 -
[1022]
Originally by: Falcon Troy Edited by: Falcon Troy on 27/08/2008 21:07:25
Originally by: Hegbard The most amusing thing that while this thread contains a blatant violation of forum rules by Chribba, the only thing CCP did was to bend over for him and beg for mercy. The other thread discussing this matter was locked.
Mmmm. no favourites. At all.
Everyone is treated equally.
Um...Chribba deserves to be treated better than the average player. He actually gives back to the community. GTFO.
So because someone likes a product and decides to do something to help themselves out first and then lets the rest of the community that uses said product see what they made. That company should show favoritism towards them and not the rest of us? Chribba deserves no more advantage than anyone else that plays this game month after month and anyone who feels they do is misguided. While it is nice that some people put work into making things that help players out, they are still costumers of CCP and all should be treated equally.
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Karlemgne
Ghosts of the Revolution The Red Skull
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Posted - 2008.08.27 21:17:00 -
[1023]
Originally by: LaVista Vista Dear CCP.
I hope for you that this actually makes a different beyond upsetting the community.
It better cure 2 types of cancer and solve all lag. Else, this is a horrible horrible move which in my eyes, should be reversed
Much Love Me.
Dear LaVista Vista,
Please go away. I find you extremely annoying.
-Karlemgne
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Druadan
Aristotle Enterprises Chances of Misfortune
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Posted - 2008.08.27 21:17:00 -
[1024]
Good to see the decision retracted. Hearing CCP say they didn't think something out and that it is a valuable lesson learned is getting a bit old though. Sig removed, inappropriate content. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint |
SentryRaven
Sentry Security
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Posted - 2008.08.27 21:18:00 -
[1025]
I for one welcome our Veldspar-loving Overlord back in Amarr.... *bows* -------- Ex-KIA, and proud about it. :) |
SencneS
Amarr Rebellion Against big Irreversible Dinks
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Posted - 2008.08.27 21:18:00 -
[1026]
I can outmine Chribba's veldnought in an Ospray. And while in 0.9 that same Ospray can tank the rats with it's passive shield regen rate. According to EFT Veldnought with Max skills and rigged and implanted to mine can only get 894m3 a minute. Osprey gets, 964m3 same setup.
I don't see a problem with using the Veldnought for mining.
Amarr for Life |
Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles Zzz
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Posted - 2008.08.27 21:21:00 -
[1027]
Originally by: GM Grimmi 3. You may not use your capital shipÆs attributes to gain any sort of advantage over other players while in high security space.
The Veldnaught is the most powerful ship in the game for AFK mining (at least, in Amarr). Does this mean Chribba isn't allowed to mine in it, on the grounds that this would give him an advantage over someone using a mere industrial, with a lower cargo capacity, lower HP and only 1 turret hardpoint? Zzz research towers Direrie NEW: Liekuri
20:1 low-end compression |
baltec1
Antares Shipyards Vanguard.
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Posted - 2008.08.27 21:23:00 -
[1028]
Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro
Originally by: GM Grimmi 3. You may not use your capital shipÆs attributes to gain any sort of advantage over other players while in high security space.
The Veldnaught is the most powerful ship in the game for AFK mining (at least, in Amarr). Does this mean Chribba isn't allowed to mine in it, on the grounds that this would give him an advantage over someone using a mere industrial, with a lower cargo capacity, lower HP and only 1 turret hardpoint?
Bet my badger has killed more people than the veldnought.
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Karlemgne
Ghosts of the Revolution The Red Skull
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Posted - 2008.08.27 21:25:00 -
[1029]
Boo on you CCP. The Veldnaught and Hi-sec capitals should have been removed long ago. Rules should be universally applied in game. That you caved to the popular old schooler who owned the Veldnaught, and the collective crying whining forum community is really disappointing.
And this is my main, so STFU and go away "post-with the main" crowd.
-Karlemgne
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Falcon Troy
Caldari State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.08.27 21:25:00 -
[1030]
Originally by: SencneS I can outmine Chribba's veldnought in an Ospray. And while in 0.9 that same Ospray can tank the rats with it's passive shield regen rate. According to EFT Veldnought with Max skills and rigged and implanted to mine can only get 894m3 a minute. Osprey gets, 964m3 same setup.
I don't see a problem with using the Veldnought for mining.
I don't have one and Chribba is obviously an ******* for being a community man and for CCP taking a liking to. I demand justice! Remove EVE monuments and unique ships and damned the community players! Rah! Rah! Rah! _____________ Hai. |
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Bald Rikk
The Legendary Fleet
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Posted - 2008.08.27 21:26:00 -
[1031]
Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro
The Veldnaught is the most powerful ship in the game for AFK mining (at least, in Amarr). Does this mean Chribba isn't allowed to mine in it, on the grounds that this would give him an advantage over someone using a mere industrial, with a lower cargo capacity, lower HP and only 1 turret hardpoint?
It is also in Amarr, a system where AFK mining would be a joke... the veldnaught would give no advantage as the roids will usually be gone in a few cycles of a strip miner.
-- Baldrikk
Originally by: CCP Explorer You can still steal their stuff.
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Sakura Nihil
Stimulus
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Posted - 2008.08.27 21:28:00 -
[1032]
Good call on this one CCP.
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Locke DieDrake
Human Information Virus
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Posted - 2008.08.27 21:32:00 -
[1033]
Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro
Originally by: GM Grimmi 3. You may not use your capital shipÆs attributes to gain any sort of advantage over other players while in high security space.
The Veldnaught is the most powerful ship in the game for AFK mining (at least, in Amarr). Does this mean Chribba isn't allowed to mine in it, on the grounds that this would give him an advantage over someone using a mere industrial, with a lower cargo capacity, lower HP and only 1 turret hardpoint?
If anyone can catch Chirbba AFK mining, I'll buy you a high sec Capital ship.
Fair?
*Chirbba, buddy, don't screw me here. :)
______________________________________________ Goon FC(08/12/06):"its a trap" "that thing is fully operational" |
Schalac
Caldari Apocalypse Reign
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Posted - 2008.08.27 21:33:00 -
[1034]
Originally by: SencneS I can outmine Chribba's veldnought in an Ospray. And while in 0.9 that same Ospray can tank the rats with it's passive shield regen rate. According to EFT Veldnought with Max skills and rigged and implanted to mine can only get 894m3 a minute. Osprey gets, 964m3 same setup.
I don't see a problem with using the Veldnought for mining.
You also need to jettison your cargo into space so you need someone there to pick it up or make multiple trips back and forth to station greatly reducing the amount of ore you can bring in every minute. An osprey can fall victim to suicide ganks of 2 other cruisers. A dread would laugh as it's shields don't even move for that. Basically a dread is an AFK miner that has very little chance of ever being suicided due to the large amount ships and planning need to do so. That is an unfair advantage. Case point rules broken move the cap to low sec.
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Fink Angel
Caldari The Merry Men
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Posted - 2008.08.27 21:33:00 -
[1035]
Congratulations to CCP for listening to feedback, thinking this one through and not being afraid to make the right decision. That takes some balls.
I might have to actually fly out to Amarr to actually take a look at this Dread some day!
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Locke DieDrake
Human Information Virus
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Posted - 2008.08.27 21:38:00 -
[1036]
Originally by: Schalac
Originally by: SencneS I can outmine Chribba's veldnought in an Ospray. And while in 0.9 that same Ospray can tank the rats with it's passive shield regen rate. According to EFT Veldnought with Max skills and rigged and implanted to mine can only get 894m3 a minute. Osprey gets, 964m3 same setup.
I don't see a problem with using the Veldnought for mining.
You also need to jettison your cargo into space so you need someone there to pick it up or make multiple trips back and forth to station greatly reducing the amount of ore you can bring in every minute. An osprey can fall victim to suicide ganks of 2 other cruisers. A dread would laugh as it's shields don't even move for that. Basically a dread is an AFK miner that has very little chance of ever being suicided due to the large amount ships and planning need to do so. That is an unfair advantage. Case point rules broken move the cap to low sec.
The only problem with your logic is that this entire scenario is based on AFK mining in a cap ship, which has NEVER BEEN DONE, and NEVER WILL BE except as a joke.
You could make, what, like 5m a DAY AFK mining Veld in the VeldNaught.
Besides, if your income is from AFK mining in general, you failed at eve a while ago. ______________________________________________ Goon FC(08/12/06):"its a trap" "that thing is fully operational" |
fazeley
Empire Assault Corp The Firm.
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Posted - 2008.08.27 21:41:00 -
[1037]
Originally by: GM Grimmi Greetings everyone,
About those capital ships in high secà
First, IÆd like to apologize for this whole debacle. The simple truth is that our policies on capitals in high sec were not all that clear internally as well as officially. In hindsight, we should have given the matter more thought and discussion before acting, a valuable lesson to learn and weÆll remember it in the future. The general idea was that no capitals should be allowed in high sec and then we had some vague un-official guidelines on ships built before changes and whatnot. Those rules were never really actually set in stone and hence the situation we face now.
This is an excellent opportunity to change all that. We have therefore decided to set the following rules for capitals in high sec:
1. Capital ships may under no circumstances be used for aggression.
2. If at war, or with war declaration pending, you may not take your capital ship out of station.
3. You may not use your capital shipÆs attributes to gain any sort of advantage over other players while in high security space.
4. Breach any of the above and receive 2 weeks ban and off to low sec with your capital.
Along with those brand new actual rules, we will move ChribbaÆs Veldnaught back to Amarr, and will also move any other capital ship, by request, that was built in high sec before these changes were introduced. Anyone who had a viable high sec capital moved and wants it back should petition and we will take care of it as soon as possible.
With actual official rules on capitals in high sec, we should be able to make things work without further issues. We will be diligent about enforcing the new rules and anyone found in breach of them will have the offending capital ship moved out of high sec without advance notice, reversal or reimbursement. A two-week ban will also be imposed on the owner.
Thank you for your feedback, patience and understanding.
GM Grimmi Lead Game Master
Nice one - common sense prevailed
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards Vanguard.
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Posted - 2008.08.27 21:41:00 -
[1038]
Originally by: Schalac
Originally by: SencneS I can outmine Chribba's veldnought in an Ospray. And while in 0.9 that same Ospray can tank the rats with it's passive shield regen rate. According to EFT Veldnought with Max skills and rigged and implanted to mine can only get 894m3 a minute. Osprey gets, 964m3 same setup.
I don't see a problem with using the Veldnought for mining.
You also need to jettison your cargo into space so you need someone there to pick it up or make multiple trips back and forth to station greatly reducing the amount of ore you can bring in every minute. An osprey can fall victim to suicide ganks of 2 other cruisers. A dread would laugh as it's shields don't even move for that. Basically a dread is an AFK miner that has very little chance of ever being suicided due to the large amount ships and planning need to do so. That is an unfair advantage. Case point rules broken move the cap to low sec.
Two level 4 missions will bring in more cash than a day of mining in a dread.
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Admiral Apex
Amarr Dead 2 Rights
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Posted - 2008.08.27 21:41:00 -
[1039]
thanks for reversing this. it was indeed a very silly and arbitrary change.
some things in life arent fair. boo hoo most players will never have a non freighter/jfreighter in high sec unless they pay billionz. boo hoo. personally i dont give a ****, let the lucky players have something special.
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Lil Mina
Unholy Sisterhood Of The Dirty Ponys
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Posted - 2008.08.27 21:43:00 -
[1040]
Originally by: GM Grimmi In hindsight, we should have given the matter more thought and discussion before acting, a valuable lesson to learn and weÆll remember it in the future. GM Grimmi Lead Game Master
yeah, you should have.
deja vu much?
Originally by: CCP Atropos
I could give you my stuff, but without the Polaris skill to fly the ships, they're kinda useless
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5pinDizzy
Amarr Umpteenth Podding
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Posted - 2008.08.27 21:44:00 -
[1041]
While I don't care too much either way whether Chribba keeps his dread in highsec.
What I find extremely disturbing is.
1. The mass amount of unwashed unthinking idiots who follow Chribba like a cult leader rather when a well respected player.
2. The chance that maybe they are only passing it off as an internal communication failure and they actually caved in to forum whining yet again.
If there is any truth in point 2 any faith I had in CCP's grand plan is dead and buried.
On the bright side if it's true, we can go necro the level 4 threadnaught and throw some more whinage and hits on it again till dev response!. Bring your 20 alts to post too!
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Semkhet
Spartan Industries
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Posted - 2008.08.27 21:45:00 -
[1042]
Originally by: Schalac Does any battlecruiser have the cargo space that a dread has? Does any Battlecruiser have the tank that the dread has?
So when one of your pathetic arguments gets countered, you've desperately to cycle around until you find another candidate ?
Forget your tank bulls**t. If I were to invest the value of Chribba's dread in a faction Abbadon with T2 rigs and full slave set, you would face a passive omnitank of 500K effective hp's. Good luck trying to blow it up before your blob gets popped by Concord unless you use over 50 full T2 equipped battleships, whose combined value ends being close to the double than Chribba's dread... Genius
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MailDeadDrop
Archon Industries
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Posted - 2008.08.27 21:47:00 -
[1043]
Originally by: Locke DieDrake If anyone can catch Chirbba AFK mining, I'll buy you a high sec Capital ship.
Fair?
/me perks up noticeably. "Hmmm... free highsec capital ship..." /me reaches for the Rolodex with Chribba's contact info in it.
Originally by: Locke DieDrake *Chirbba, buddy, don't screw me here. :)
Drat!
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5pinDizzy
Amarr Umpteenth Podding
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Posted - 2008.08.27 21:48:00 -
[1044]
I wonder what would happen just supposing.
Despite being ridiculously difficult in action and in response. What if some group somehow managed to blow up Chribbas dreadnought?
Do you reckon we'd get a ridiculous thread like this again till he was given another one in Amarr? Cause I'm sorta thinking... yes.
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Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2008.08.27 21:52:00 -
[1045]
Hooray for Chribba and the Veldnaught, let us hope they still let you mine with it. Cheers CCP. --
http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
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Schalac
Caldari Apocalypse Reign
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Posted - 2008.08.27 21:52:00 -
[1046]
Originally by: 5pinDizzy I wonder what would happen just supposing.
Despite being ridiculously difficult in action and in response. What if some group somehow managed to blow up Chribbas dreadnought?
Do you reckon we'd get a ridiculous thread like this again till he was given another one in Amarr? Cause I'm sorta thinking... yes.
Let's get a 100 man BS fleet together and blow it off the face of the universe and find out.
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fazeley
Empire Assault Corp The Firm.
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Posted - 2008.08.27 21:55:00 -
[1047]
Originally by: Schalac So because someone likes a product and decides to do something to help themselves out first and then lets the rest of the community that uses said product see what they made. That company should show favoritism towards them and not the rest of us? Chribba deserves no more advantage than anyone else that plays this game month after month and anyone who feels they do is misguided. While it is nice that some people put work into making things that help players out, they are still costumers of CCP and all should be treated equally.
Yes they should show a bit of favouritism to him tbqh. The people who are complaining about him getting this back are a bit sad. Can only assume it's envy really, which is bizarre, to be treated like Chribba all one need do is accumulate a huge amount of ISK whilst still retaining a massive amount of goodwill by the services you provide to the community.
Simple no?
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Roy Batty68
Caldari Immortal Dead
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Posted - 2008.08.27 21:59:00 -
[1048]
Originally by: 5pinDizzy While I don't care too much either way whether Chribba keeps his dread in highsec.
What I find extremely disturbing is.
1. The mass amount of unwashed unthinking idiots who follow Chribba like a cult leader rather when a well respected player.
2. The chance that maybe they are only passing it off as an internal communication failure and they actually caved in to forum whining yet again.
If there is any truth in point 2 any faith I had in CCP's grand plan is dead and buried.
On the bright side if it's true, we can go necro the level 4 threadnaught and throw some more whinage and hits on it again till dev response!. Bring your 20 alts to post too!
1) Chribba IS a well respected player, hence the turn out.
2) Anything you disagree with is labeled a whine. I think of it as more the playerbase letting CCP know how they feel about player made content getting tossed out with the wash. So apparently you do care (and oppose the idea of him having a dread in hisec), otherwise you wouldn't have called it a whine.
3) What the hell was it hurting? The veldnaught making certain posters feel inadequate or something? It's like complaining about the guy who has the luxury yacht. You say you don't care, but you do care about other people caring? WTH?
4) Quit being a nerd. Just because you don't have strong feelings about a particular subject doesn't mean that those who do are whining and crying. And there's quite a bit of difference about a piece of game content which doesn't affect anyone other than it being a status symbol of sorts compared to the debates about other game mechanics WHICH DO AFFECT TONS OF PEOPLE.
I think you're just being ****y for the sake of it.
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oilio
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.08.27 22:00:00 -
[1049]
Originally by: 5pinDizzy I wonder what would happen just supposing.
Despite being ridiculously difficult in action and in response. What if some group somehow managed to blow up Chribbas dreadnought?
Do you reckon we'd get a ridiculous thread like this again till he was given another one in Amarr? Cause I'm sorta thinking... yes.
...and I'm sorta thinking... no.
If players had blown Chribba's dreadnaught up, then people would probably have lamented the loss, but I doubt ANYONE would request that the ship be miraculously re-incarnated. You know enough about Eve to know that too - it's pure trolling.
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Shagrath Neptune
Series of Tubes
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Posted - 2008.08.27 22:01:00 -
[1050]
I think this backpedaling by CCP proves beyond a doubt that whining on the forums does indeed work.
That being said, I have nothing against Chribba and I am glad he got his way although I don't necessarily agree that he should have for a variety of reasons that have already been hashed over in this thread by others.
He seems like a nice guy who means a lot to the game's community so sometimes doing the right thing isn't always the right thing to do.
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Aclyn Seriy
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2008.08.27 22:01:00 -
[1051]
WOO HOO, go CCP. My faith is restored
Originally by: techzer0 I'm the failboat captain
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DB Tank
StoneFist Pilots
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Posted - 2008.08.27 22:03:00 -
[1052]
Player power at its best.. zzz
Caps should stay in low sec...
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2008.08.27 22:04:00 -
[1053]
I have to agree with the OP.
DUMB CCP.
If you think corp is different than a guild or clan you have some insecurity issues.
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ElweSingollo
The Higher Standard
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Posted - 2008.08.27 22:04:00 -
[1054]
Originally by: GM Grimmi Greetings everyone,
About those capital ships in high secà
First, IÆd like to apologize for this whole debacle. The simple truth is that our policies on capitals in high sec were not all that clear internally as well as officially. In hindsight, we should have given the matter more thought and discussion before acting, a valuable lesson to learn and weÆll remember it in the future. The general idea was that no capitals should be allowed in high sec and then we had some vague un-official guidelines on ships built before changes and whatnot. Those rules were never really actually set in stone and hence the situation we face now.
This is an excellent opportunity to change all that. We have therefore decided to set the following rules for capitals in high sec:
1. Capital ships may under no circumstances be used for aggression.
2. If at war, or with war declaration pending, you may not take your capital ship out of station.
3. You may not use your capital shipÆs attributes to gain any sort of advantage over other players while in high security space.
4. Breach any of the above and receive 2 weeks ban and off to low sec with your capital.
Along with those brand new actual rules, we will move ChribbaÆs Veldnaught back to Amarr, and will also move any other capital ship, by request, that was built in high sec before these changes were introduced. Anyone who had a viable high sec capital moved and wants it back should petition and we will take care of it as soon as possible.
With actual official rules on capitals in high sec, we should be able to make things work without further issues. We will be diligent about enforcing the new rules and anyone found in breach of them will have the offending capital ship moved out of high sec without advance notice, reversal or reimbursement. A two-week ban will also be imposed on the owner.
Thank you for your feedback, patience and understanding.
GM Grimmi Lead Game Master
A good desicion in the end CCP but it has to be said that what happened hear is another in a long line of reasons (even if this one had a "happy ending" that I no longer have any faith that CCP and Eve have the connection they once used to and that with a touch of sadness is why I plan on leaving the game...
Oh and no you cannot have my stuff ;P it's going to my firends in game.
CCP and Eve Online... It's not a bug, it's a feature
In Before I Get M***** Again
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MailDeadDrop
Archon Industries
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Posted - 2008.08.27 22:07:00 -
[1055]
Originally by: Schalac You also need to jettison your cargo into space so you need someone there to pick it up or make multiple trips back and forth to station greatly reducing the amount of ore you can bring in every minute. An osprey can fall victim to suicide ganks of 2 other cruisers. A dread would laugh as it's shields don't even move for that. Basically a dread is an AFK miner that has very little chance of ever being suicided due to the large amount ships and planning need to do so. That is an unfair advantage. Case point rules broken move the cap to low sec.
Uh, no. Please re-read the rules, especially where it says "You may not use your capital shipÆs attributes to gain any sort of advantage over other players while in high security space." (emphasis mine --MDD) Notice it does not say: "you may not have a theoretical advantage".
You claim that the Veldnought's AFK mining ability is an unfair advantage. It may be, I'm not passing judgment on that. But even if it were, the only way that the Veldnought could be considered in violation of the rule would be if Chribba actually engaged in AFK mining with it, which I consider extremely unlikely, and until such time your calls to move the Veldnought to lowsec are premature.
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Kayleigh Lothian
Minmatar KIA Corp KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.27 22:12:00 -
[1056]
Originally by: Schalac So because someone likes a product and decides to do something to help themselves out first and then lets the rest of the community that uses said product see what they made. That company should show favoritism towards them and not the rest of us? Chribba deserves no more advantage than anyone else that plays this game month after month and anyone who feels they do is misguided. While it is nice that some people put work into making things that help players out, they are still costumers of CCP and all should be treated equally.
When you get out in the real world you will see that that's the way things work. Both officially and inofficially, depending on the situations. ----------------------
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5pinDizzy
Amarr Umpteenth Podding
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Posted - 2008.08.27 22:26:00 -
[1057]
Originally by: Roy Batty68
Originally by: 5pinDizzy While I don't care too much either way whether Chribba keeps his dread in highsec.
What I find extremely disturbing is.
1. The mass amount of unwashed unthinking idiots who follow Chribba like a cult leader rather when a well respected player.
2. The chance that maybe they are only passing it off as an internal communication failure and they actually caved in to forum whining yet again.
If there is any truth in point 2 any faith I had in CCP's grand plan is dead and buried.
On the bright side if it's true, we can go necro the level 4 threadnaught and throw some more whinage and hits on it again till dev response!. Bring your 20 alts to post too!
1) Chribba IS a well respected player, hence the turn out.
2) Anything you disagree with is labeled a whine. I think of it as more the playerbase letting CCP know how they feel about player made content getting tossed out with the wash. So apparently you do care (and oppose the idea of him having a dread in hisec), otherwise you wouldn't have called it a whine.
3) What the hell was it hurting? The veldnaught making certain posters feel inadequate or something? It's like complaining about the guy who has the luxury yacht. You say you don't care, but you do care about other people caring? WTH?
4) Quit being a nerd. Just because you don't have strong feelings about a particular subject doesn't mean that those who do are whining and crying. And there's quite a bit of difference about a piece of game content which doesn't affect anyone other than it being a status symbol of sorts compared to the debates about other game mechanics WHICH DO AFFECT TONS OF PEOPLE.
I think you're just being ****y for the sake of it.
I am not Jealous of people who want to have their capital ship placed in a particular system that can't do anything useful other then let them wave it around outside the station like a big wang to wow the noobs.
I am jealous of :
1. People with Titans. (although to be honest too much responsibility so maybe no.)
2. People with 100 million skillpoints. (yes please, do want. )
What I DO care about is I think CCP are simply backtracking through pressure, and it's looking all too common.
1. Suicide nerf - Caved in through pressure.
2. Nanonerf - Balance test removed from test server and under revision through player pressure.
3. Now this as well apparently.
I hope I'm wrong but CCP are looking pretty spineless from where I'm sitting at the moment.
If I really cared about changing this situation then it's hard to remove the dreadnaught without nerfing Chribba, I mean you could make it more official and award him a unique ship possibly a dreadnaught variant for service to the eve comminity. like the ships awarded in tournaments, but I wouldn't even want to begin how you'd make fair judgement and decisions on who and why someone deserves something like that when it's not clear cut winners like an eve tournaments.
Gives more weight to it then sloppy patching changes that left capitals stuck in highsec.
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Etho Demerzel
Gallente Holy Clan of the Cone
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Posted - 2008.08.27 22:32:00 -
[1058]
Edited by: Etho Demerzel on 27/08/2008 22:32:30
Originally by: 5pinDizzy
What I DO care about is I think CCP are simply backtracking through pressure, and it's looking all too common.
1. Suicide nerf - Caved in through pressure.
2. Nanonerf - Balance test removed from test server and under revision through player pressure.
3. Now this as well apparently.
For starters, points 1 and 2 weren't backtrackings. They were decisions that condone with SOME people requests in the forums and are opposed to OTHER people requests. As EVERYTHING that can possibly be changed ALWAYS will be.
Three was a backtracking from a poor decision probably made by someone who shouldn't have done it in the first place without having at least some sort of internal consensus.
So, quit the melodrama, drama queen.
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t1mmeh
Caldari State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.08.27 22:34:00 -
[1059]
Way to go CCP! Grats Chribba! (would still like to take a pop at it though)
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Schalac
Caldari Apocalypse Reign
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Posted - 2008.08.27 22:37:00 -
[1060]
Originally by: Etho Demerzel
Three was a backtracking from a poor decision probably made by someone who shouldn't have done it in the first place without having at least some sort of internal consensus.
So, quit the melodrama, drama queen.
How do we know this? How do you know if it actually wasn't discussed and the consensus was to go ahead and do it. Then the forums blew up and CCPs spine turned to mush and they retracted it.
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Mauy Thai
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.08.27 22:41:00 -
[1061]
This thread is really depressing. I respect Chribba loads for what he has done to the community, but this thread basically proves that if you get enough people to whine about a basically meaningless issue, CCP will react, where as endless debate occurs in the game development/assemble hall, and CCP don't even bother to answer.
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Asestorian
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.08.27 22:45:00 -
[1062]
Originally by: 5pinDizzy 2. Nanonerf - Balance test removed from test server and under revision through player pressure.
Actually I think that was the plan from the start. They said when they released the dev blog that they wanted player input and were perfectly willing to revise their changes based on testing and that input. Also, I think they wanted to test another patch.
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Quote: EVE is unfair by design.
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5pinDizzy
Amarr Umpteenth Podding
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Posted - 2008.08.27 22:46:00 -
[1063]
Edited by: 5pinDizzy on 27/08/2008 22:46:46
Point 2 was unfair, indeed I'll withdraw it.
but
Do you expect me to believe supposedely new GM acting on their own accord removed every single capital ship in highsec to lowsec without no consulting or discussion with other staff?
yeah right...
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards Vanguard.
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Posted - 2008.08.27 22:47:00 -
[1064]
Originally by: 5pinDizzy Edited by: 5pinDizzy on 27/08/2008 22:46:26 Point 2 was unfair, indeed I'll withdraw it.
but
Do you expect me to believe supposedely new GM acting on their own accord removed every single capital ship in highsec to lowsec without no consulting or discussion with other staff?
yeah right...
No just the veldnought.
All other high sec caps were not moved.
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Schalac
Caldari Apocalypse Reign
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Posted - 2008.08.27 22:49:00 -
[1065]
Originally by: baltec1
Originally by: 5pinDizzy Edited by: 5pinDizzy on 27/08/2008 22:46:26 Point 2 was unfair, indeed I'll withdraw it.
but
Do you expect me to believe supposedely new GM acting on their own accord removed every single capital ship in highsec to lowsec without no consulting or discussion with other staff?
yeah right...
No just the veldnought.
All other high sec caps were not moved.
And again how do you know this? Did every single person with a high sec cap login today to check and see and then post? I doubt it.
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards Vanguard.
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Posted - 2008.08.27 22:51:00 -
[1066]
Originally by: Schalac
Originally by: baltec1
Originally by: 5pinDizzy Edited by: 5pinDizzy on 27/08/2008 22:46:26 Point 2 was unfair, indeed I'll withdraw it.
but
Do you expect me to believe supposedely new GM acting on their own accord removed every single capital ship in highsec to lowsec without no consulting or discussion with other staff?
yeah right...
No just the veldnought.
All other high sec caps were not moved.
And again how do you know this? Did every single person with a high sec cap login today to check and see and then post? I doubt it.
if you read this topic you would have seen a few post that their high sec caps were fine and not moved.
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MailDeadDrop
Archon Industries
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Posted - 2008.08.27 22:52:00 -
[1067]
Edited by: MailDeadDrop on 27/08/2008 22:53:13
Originally by: Etho Demerzel Three was a backtracking from a poor decision probably made by someone who shouldn't have done it in the first place without having at least some sort of internal consensus.
Originally by: Schalac How do we know this? How do you know if it actually wasn't discussed and the consensus was to go ahead and do it. Then the forums blew up and CCPs spine turned to mush and they retracted it.
You don't know either way. All you have is the evidence presented. The only evidence we have is:
- Chribba said his dreadnought was moved to lowsec
- Lead GM Grimmi said it was a "debacle", that there was some policy obscurity ("policies ... not all that clear")
To my reading, Lead GM Grimmi makes it seem like someone (could be an individual or a group) decided to move some subset of capitals (including Chribba's) to lowsec based upon an incomplete (or perhaps completely absent) understanding of the "vague" guidelines regarding highsec capitals.
Beyond that, there's no further evidence.
So, was there a backtracking on a poor decision? Lead GM Grimmi's post makes that pretty clearly "yes". Was it "by someone who shouldn't have done it in the first place without having at least some sort of internal consensus"? There's no evidence to support this contention. But there's no evidence to support the contention that "(it was) discussed and the consensus was to go ahead and do it. Then the forums blew up and CCP's spine turned to mush and they retracted (the decision)".
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5pinDizzy
Amarr Umpteenth Podding
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Posted - 2008.08.27 22:55:00 -
[1068]
Originally by: baltec1
Originally by: Schalac
Originally by: baltec1
Originally by: 5pinDizzy Edited by: 5pinDizzy on 27/08/2008 22:46:26 Point 2 was unfair, indeed I'll withdraw it.
but
Do you expect me to believe supposedely new GM acting on their own accord removed every single capital ship in highsec to lowsec without no consulting or discussion with other staff?
yeah right...
No just the veldnought.
All other high sec caps were not moved.
And again how do you know this? Did every single person with a high sec cap login today to check and see and then post? I doubt it.
if you read this topic you would have seen a few post that their high sec caps were fine and not moved.
Some source please?
I've been through this whole thread and I see nothing about other peoples capital ships.
And from when I read the petition in the assembly rooms section, it was clearly implied by various people in the first few pages that we're talking about a few capital ships.
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Smagd
Encina Technologies
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Posted - 2008.08.27 23:07:00 -
[1069]
Thanks CCP.
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NeoTheo
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.08.27 23:10:00 -
[1070]
Nice for Chribba, ;) congrats.
CCP, sorry guys as happy as i am for Chribba on a personal level, you should not have buckled, caps in highsec make no sense, never did,.
Neotheo Dark Materials
Linkage
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Joss Sparq
Caldari ANZAC ALLIANCE Southern Cross Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.27 23:14:00 -
[1071]
I'm very pleased that this situation has been resolved in favor of both Chribba and the other pilots of Capital vessels previously lodged in high security space. Though I would like to see some official clarification of the point which Chribba raised.
I may just get to go on that pilgrimage after all
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Una D
Ex Coelis The Bantam Menace
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Posted - 2008.08.27 23:24:00 -
[1072]
Excellent :) Those caps are something unique and worth having. They are part of the eve history and with the rules about their use there should be no problem keeping it that way :)
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Deja Thoris
Invicta.
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Posted - 2008.08.27 23:33:00 -
[1073]
Lol Kage, you always were a bit of a loser (and by bit I mean a lot ) Shame you are dragging the name of a decent corp down. Newb.
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Kephael
Caldari LEAP Corp Ursa Stellar Initiative
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Posted - 2008.08.27 23:34:00 -
[1074]
Too bad new cap ships cannot be built in hi sec, we really ought to be able to fit them and actually use them in hi sec, would be a nice isk sink for carebears. It'd also make it easier to destroy high sec POS.
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Deja Thoris
Invicta.
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Posted - 2008.08.27 23:35:00 -
[1075]
Originally by: Mauy Thai This thread is really depressing. I respect Chribba loads for what he has done to the community, but this thread basically proves that if you get enough people to whine about a basically meaningless issue, CCP will react, where as endless debate occurs in the game development/assemble hall, and CCP don't even bother to answer.
Moving it in the first place was meaningless. Grandfathered caps in highsec like this are on of the nice quirks eve has. Removing them is another step to blandness.
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Angelice
Minmatar Infinity Enterprises Daisho Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.08.27 23:38:00 -
[1076]
Before you think about war deccing Chribba to keep the Veldnaught docked... you might want to look at the number of pages in this thread and ask youself if that's such a good idea considering about 9/10 of them are in support of him?
Also, if the Veldnaught was ganked that would be it no more Veldnaught, just another moment of Eve history is all.
Hope it never happens Chrib, fly safe! Angelice Infinity Enterprises
"To see the right and not to do it is cowardice." - Confucius
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Etho Demerzel
Gallente Holy Clan of the Cone
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Posted - 2008.08.27 23:45:00 -
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Originally by: MailDeadDrop Was it "by someone who shouldn't have done it in the first place without having at least some sort of internal consensus"? There's no evidence to support this contention.
There isn't evidence enough to support "by someone who shouldn't have done it in the first place without having at least some sort of internal consensus", but there is a long way from "probably by someone" to "by someone". Considering the outcome I can pretty much place my bets on this, thus the "probably".
Anyway, Chribba has his Dread back as it should be.
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2008.08.27 23:49:00 -
[1078]
Originally by: Angelice Before you think about war deccing Chribba to keep the Veldnaught docked... you might want to look at the number of pages in this thread and ask youself if that's such a good idea considering about 9/10 of them are in support of him?
IF your of the inclination to wardec chriba - I dont think you would give two hoots about people spluttering indignantly at you.
Im sure it must happen from time to time anyhow... chribba?
SKUNK
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Juleko
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Posted - 2008.08.28 00:06:00 -
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Edited by: Juleko on 28/08/2008 00:06:24 On a more positive note at least this thread has given Chribba another service he can provide:
"Annoyed about a upcoming nerf to your preferred playstyle? Nano-nerf getting you down? For a small fee I will post indignantly on the Eve forum bemoaning the change and using the power of my fanbase (who will copy&paste my viewpoint on demand) get CCP to backpedal accordingly!"
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Niccolado Starwalker
Shadow Templars
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Posted - 2008.08.28 00:16:00 -
[1080]
Originally by: GM Grimmi [...]
3. You may not use your capital shipÆs attributes to gain any sort of advantage over other players while in high security space.
GM Grimmi Lead Game Master
im very happy you changed your mind on this! Removing the Veldnaught from empire is to destroy something unique in EVE!
However, the above point is so wide open that Chribba wont be able to mine in it if interpreted in very strict sense!
Attributes. What about taking it out for mining and being equipped with ordinary armourplates, hardeners, shields etc. Will that be a reason for ban and movement? what about the number of Hitpoints the ship have?? etc. etc.
I agree that any cap should be moved upon offensive use, but the defensive and passive part of this rule regarding caps are highly unclear!
Originally by: Dianabolic Your tears are absolutely divine, like a fine fine wine, rolling down your cheeks until they flow down the river of LOL |
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Tortun Nahme
Minmatar Umbra Synergy Final Retribution Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.28 00:20:00 -
[1081]
Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker
Originally by: GM Grimmi [...]
3. You may not use your capital shipÆs attributes to gain any sort of advantage over other players while in high security space.
GM Grimmi Lead Game Master
im very happy you changed your mind on this! Removing the Veldnaught from empire is to destroy something unique in EVE!
However, the above point is so wide open that Chribba wont be able to mine in it if interpreted in very strict sense!
Attributes. What about taking it out for mining and being equipped with ordinary armourplates, hardeners, shields etc. Will that be a reason for ban and movement? what about the number of Hitpoints the ship have?? etc. etc.
I agree that any cap should be moved upon offensive use, but the defensive and passive part of this rule regarding caps are highly unclear!
there is no "defensive" part
don't undock it during war was pretty unclear, and if you lose it to a suicide gank, well, you fail epicly
personally I'm very disappointed in thsi whole afrair, they mishandled the timetable/warning, but they compounded the folly by backpeddaling Applebabe ate my signature :( but the fish hat forgives! Nemotology is the EvE religion of choice! |
soldieroffortune 258
Gallente Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2008.08.28 01:05:00 -
[1082]
Originally by: Kage Getsu Once again CCP caves to whining.
/backhand
Originally by: soldieroffortune 258
"Eve is about making yourself richer while making the other guy poorer"
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soldieroffortune 258
Gallente Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2008.08.28 01:10:00 -
[1083]
Originally by: 5pinDizzy
Originally by: Roy Batty68
Originally by: 5pinDizzy While I don't care too much either way whether Chribba keeps his dread in highsec.
What I find extremely disturbing is.
1. The mass amount of unwashed unthinking idiots who follow Chribba like a cult leader rather when a well respected player.
2. The chance that maybe they are only passing it off as an internal communication failure and they actually caved in to forum whining yet again.
If there is any truth in point 2 any faith I had in CCP's grand plan is dead and buried.
On the bright side if it's true, we can go necro the level 4 threadnaught and throw some more whinage and hits on it again till dev response!. Bring your 20 alts to post too!
1) Chribba IS a well respected player, hence the turn out.
2) Anything you disagree with is labeled a whine. I think of it as more the playerbase letting CCP know how they feel about player made content getting tossed out with the wash. So apparently you do care (and oppose the idea of him having a dread in hisec), otherwise you wouldn't have called it a whine.
3) What the hell was it hurting? The veldnaught making certain posters feel inadequate or something? It's like complaining about the guy who has the luxury yacht. You say you don't care, but you do care about other people caring? WTH?
4) Quit being a nerd. Just because you don't have strong feelings about a particular subject doesn't mean that those who do are whining and crying. And there's quite a bit of difference about a piece of game content which doesn't affect anyone other than it being a status symbol of sorts compared to the debates about other game mechanics WHICH DO AFFECT TONS OF PEOPLE.
I think you're just being ****y for the sake of it.
I am not Jealous of people who want to have their capital ship placed in a particular system that can't do anything useful other then let them wave it around outside the station like a big wang to wow the noobs.
I am jealous of :
1. People with Titans. (although to be honest too much responsibility so maybe no.)
2. People with 100 million skillpoints. (yes please, do want. )
What I DO care about is I think CCP are simply backtracking through pressure, and it's looking all too common.
1. Suicide nerf - Caved in through pressure.
2. Nanonerf - Balance test removed from test server and under revision through player pressure.
3. Now this as well apparently.
I hope I'm wrong but CCP are looking pretty spineless from where I'm sitting at the moment.
If I really cared about changing this situation then it's hard to remove the dreadnaught without nerfing Chribba, I mean you could make it more official and award him a unique ship possibly a dreadnaught variant for service to the eve comminity. like the ships awarded in tournaments, but I wouldn't even want to begin how you'd make fair judgement and decisions on who and why someone deserves something like that when it's not clear cut winners like an eve tournaments.
Gives more weight to it then sloppy patching changes that left capitals stuck in highsec.
if you actually read the rules they put in place, then you would konw that it pretty much is a "unique" ship, any abuse of the capitals in high sec is disciplined strongly through use of 2 week ban AND the low sec boot, i dont think anyone who has them in high sec is goign to risk getting that ban stick
Originally by: soldieroffortune 258
"Eve is about making yourself richer while making the other guy poorer"
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Brujo Loco
Amarr Brujeria Teologica
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Posted - 2008.08.28 01:33:00 -
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Thank you CCP, as a long time player my faith in CCP has not been broken.
People like Chribba are an example of people that go above and beyond what a regular paying customer does for its favorite brand,game or hobby. He has helped the community a lot and I shamelessly use his FREE sites (Eve Files,Agent Locator,etc,).
People like him have made a regular game into a more intensive and more fun environment for many many folks. The "Veldnaught" is and will ALWAYS be an EvE Trademark for me.
Some people will never understand it, others do, others hate him and others love him,that's the way of life, but what he has created is something that trascends himself and even the game itself. He has created a stamping mark on a virtual world that exists within the realm of virtuality and on a higher plane, the plane of ideas and imagination. He like many others within this game (the Cemetery owner, the corps than run the Lotto's, the virtual Banks, Eve vets teaching the ropes to newbies like EVE U, the lone players that help people whenever they can, the helpful people in the HELP Channel), all of them, forging ties of community in lawless space. These people leave their marks upon the mists of virtual time in here.
Certain things CAN'T be removed on a whim or poorly planned decisions, certain ideals CAN'T be destroyed for no reason or for not fitting a faceless RL corp agenda, virtual goods, ideas and goals have real life value and weight and even moreso.
Thanx CCP, you are indeed humans.
Cheers!
Let the small shreds of humanity left within this game flourish :)
Viva VENEZUELA!!! Archipelago Theory
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5pinDizzy
Amarr Umpteenth Podding
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Posted - 2008.08.28 01:54:00 -
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Quote: if you actually read the rules they put in place, then you would konw that it pretty much is a "unique" ship, any abuse of the capitals in high sec is disciplined strongly through use of 2 week ban AND the low sec boot, i dont think anyone who has them in high sec is goign to risk getting that ban stick
1. Chribbas dreadnaught is exactly the same as the dreadnaughts you get in lowsec and nullsec so no it's not a unique ship.
2. Where did I bring up dreadnaught aggression?
3. Improve your spelling and grammar a little so I can take you a bit more seriously.
The rule is only for wardecs anyway. Which chribba said he'd never undock under receiving one. Even a dread dies in a split second to concord.
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5pinDizzy
Amarr Umpteenth Podding
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Posted - 2008.08.28 01:57:00 -
[1086]
Edited by: 5pinDizzy on 28/08/2008 01:58:49 nvm
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Djens
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Posted - 2008.08.28 02:03:00 -
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First of I have to say I've never seen the Veldnaught, although heard about it. What strikes me is that some people whines about CCPs decision and pledge for fairness or have some other lame excuses for removing it from hi-sec. I mean get a life damnit, yes, a real one, try to walk out the door once in a while. Life isn't fair, neither is EVE, eventhough I fail to see it in this particular regard. The veldnaught is in a sense what makes EvE what it is. It serves as history and is/will be an artifact of old times. And I'm thankful for that.
About CCP and how they handled things. Anyone can make mistakes but hardly anyone will admit it, even fewer will sort things right again. CCP has proven they are capable of this and for that they have my respect.
About whining, CCP in my oppinion didn't cave in to whines, they let common sense rule, really it's that simple. As for people wanting their dual mwd ravens back or cruise-Kestrels, sure go on and whine but it wont change the fact that the whine is out of porportions unjustified. Quite the opposite of this matter.
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Joss Sparq
Caldari ANZAC ALLIANCE Southern Cross Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.28 02:16:00 -
[1088]
Originally by: Tortun Nahme personally I'm very disappointed in thsi whole afrair, they mishandled the timetable/warning, but they compounded the folly by backpeddaling
So if someone does something which is perceived as wrong, they shouldn't make any amends for it? A ridiculous statement and a ridiculous sentiment in this case.
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Haradgrim
Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2008.08.28 02:17:00 -
[1089]
Edited by: Haradgrim on 28/08/2008 02:18:22 CCP HQ: Reykjavik, Iceland.
[August 27, 2008 06:42 GMT]
*On the back wall of GM Gimmi's office a red warning light starts to flash. A sign, bordered in caution tape, below it reads: "Threadnaught Alarm"*
Swiftly inputting a few quick keystrokes a new screen flashes open. As her eyes open wide and her body goes rigid in fear, GM Grimmi manages to hit the intercom button opening a channel to CCP Wrangler.
Grimmi: Wrangler, *sob*, our worst fears have come true, *sob* its a threadnaught and the author is....*sob*sob*cry*
Wrangler: Damn it, get a hold of yourself women! Who's the author?
Grimmi: Its....its....CHRIBBAA!!!!!
Wrangler: *sound of phone dropping and hitting the ground*...."oh dear God NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!" .....pause.......*sounds of a now disheveled man trying to put himself back together* "Ok, Grimmi *audible shaking in his voice* call a meeting of all senior GMs and Devs, make 10 litres of coffee and see if you can track down Kieron.....we're going to need all the help we can get. God have mercy on us all"
Grimmi: *sob*sob*
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Originally by: CCP Oveur ...every forum whine feels like a baby pony is getting killed
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Lance Fighter
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.08.28 02:20:00 -
[1090]
Originally by: Haradgrim Edited by: Haradgrim on 28/08/2008 02:18:22 CCP HQ: Reykjavik, Iceland.
[August 27, 2008 06:42 GMT]
*On the back wall of GM Gimmi's office a red warning light starts to flash. A sign, bordered in caution tape, below it reads: "Threadnaught Alarm"*
Swiftly inputting a few quick keystrokes a new screen flashes open. As her eyes open wide and her body goes rigid in fear, GM Grimmi manages to hit the intercom button opening a channel to CCP Wrangler.
Grimmi: Wrangler, *sob*, our worst fears have come true, *sob* its a threadnaught and the author is....*sob*sob*cry*
Wrangler: Damn it, get a hold of yourself women! Who's the author?
Grimmi: Its....its....CHRIBBAA!!!!!
Wrangler: *sound of phone dropping and hitting the ground*...."oh dear God NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!" .....pause.......*sounds of a now disheveled man trying to put himself back together* "Ok, Grimmi *audible shaking in his voice* call a meeting of all senior GMs and Devs, make 10 litres of coffee and see if you can track down Kieron.....we're going to need all the help we can get. God have mercy on us all"
Grimmi: *sob*sob*
Originally by: Dheorl
Originally by: Akita T yawn
I never knew it was possible to stretch your ego THAT much in 1 post
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Tortun Nahme
Minmatar Umbra Synergy Final Retribution Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.28 02:25:00 -
[1091]
Originally by: Joss Sparq
Originally by: Tortun Nahme personally I'm very disappointed in thsi whole afrair, they mishandled the timetable/warning, but they compounded the folly by backpeddaling
So if someone does something which is perceived as wrong, they shouldn't make any amends for it? A ridiculous statement and a ridiculous sentiment in this case.
because a very small minority of players whined out loud enough for the jedi to hear it? CCP has legitimate reasons for doing exatly what they did, had they given proper notification of intention instead of just ninja'ing it, i would have no problem with their actions. However, the set a horrible precedent by even appearing to cave to any apparent favoritism by backpeddaling on this decision. There is no "legitimate" reason to allow "some" people to have cap ships in high sec while everyone else is forbidden. Applebabe ate my signature :( but the fish hat forgives! Nemotology is the EvE religion of choice! |
Schalac
Caldari Apocalypse Reign
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Posted - 2008.08.28 02:33:00 -
[1092]
Originally by: Djens About whining, CCP in my oppinion didn't cave in to whines, they let common sense rule, really it's that simple. As for people wanting their dual mwd ravens back or cruise-Kestrels, sure go on and whine but it wont change the fact that the whine is out of porportions unjustified. Quite the opposite of this matter.
So, what then did they do? CHRIBBA has a capital ship in high sec. CCP said hey lets finally get all of the cap ships that are in high sec out of there and not let any more in. CHRIBBA went ape shit on the forums about how EVE is now dead and all of his lackeys turned it into a 30+ page post about how unfair it is that a ship that doesn't belong in high sec was removed from it. CCP caved in and then made up new "rules" on the spot and reversed the action they just took. That looks an awful lot like caving to me and it is not common sense, common sense would be the community saying,"well no one else is allowed to have cap ships in high sec so why should he" and supported CCP for removing it.
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Haradgrim
Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2008.08.28 02:35:00 -
[1093]
Originally by: Schalac
Originally by: Djens About whining, CCP in my oppinion didn't cave in to whines, they let common sense rule, really it's that simple. As for people wanting their dual mwd ravens back or cruise-Kestrels, sure go on and whine but it wont change the fact that the whine is out of porportions unjustified. Quite the opposite of this matter.
So, what then did they do? CHRIBBA has a capital ship in high sec. CCP said hey lets finally get all of the cap ships that are in high sec out of there and not let any more in. CHRIBBA went ape shit on the forums about how EVE is now dead and all of his lackeys turned it into a 30+ page post about how unfair it is that a ship that doesn't belong in high sec was removed from it. CCP caved in and then made up new "rules" on the spot and reversed the action they just took. That looks an awful lot like caving to me and it is not common sense, common sense would be the community saying,"well no one else is allowed to have cap ships in high sec so why should he" and supported CCP for removing it.
I know its semantics but I'm pretty sure that Chribba articulately conveyed a request for an explanation given the situation he was faced. It was everyone else that went Ape Shit! --
Originally by: CCP Oveur ...every forum whine feels like a baby pony is getting killed
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Juleko
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Posted - 2008.08.28 02:52:00 -
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Originally by: Haradgrim I know its semantics but I'm pretty sure that Chribba articulately conveyed a request for an explanation given the situation he was faced. It was everyone else that went Ape Shit!
It's academic really, the vast majority of people who replied on here didn't even bother considering the bigger picture - they saw "Chribba nerfed" and hit Reply instantly.
Now we're back to a situation where capitals are in high-sec that are subject to ambiguous rules. One of which - the key one imo - is that they can't be used in PvP. What context are we talking about here? Saying "you can't pew-pew with your capital" is pretty black and white, but a capital in high-sec is practically invincible, and there are ways of using it outside of combat which would constitute PvP (e.g. mining for a warring alliance who can do nothing to stop it, etc).
I posted this in another thread but I believe it's relevant:
People often bring up mining as being a PvP mechanism and although I don't do it myself I agree that it is. Bringing a bigger and/or faster mining ship to a roid party than the guys you're competing with confers you an advantage over them - the difference being that with sufficient funds they can do likewise, with high-sec capitals being the exception. Ultimately being able to mine faster than other people means you can control the market accordingly, you can set mineral prices lower than pilots in regular high-sec ships can comfortably afford to compete with - and this most definitely is a form of PvP.
I've always liked the fact that in Eve there's been no glass ceiling in any aspect of the game - if you have sufficient ISK and/or sufficient time to train skills then you can be every bit as efficient/good as the next guy. Sadly capitals in high-sec (since they can no longer be built there) are essentially an unattainable Eve endgame+1 for a select few that no one else can hope to ever achieve. That, fundamentally, is a bad thing imo.
A dread in high-sec, as highlighted already, is all but invincible and is certainly not something that can realistically be suicide-ganked. If Chribba (or anyone) was providing minerals en massT to one half of a warring alliance then he would most definitely be conferring a PvP advantage by using it. There's a bigger picture to look at here beyond the "omg Chribba is so great why oh why must he have to suffer".
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Mistress Luck
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Posted - 2008.08.28 02:56:00 -
[1095]
Originally by: Akira2501 Everyone’s so quick to condemn CCP… see they did the right thing after all. Just a mistake.
Oh really? More like caving in. If the outrage hadnt erupted they would have shafted the capital ship owners good and proper. If it had been another group of 10 players that had been shafted nobody would have said anything. So in this case CCP caved in. It seems there really is no thought behind a lot of their actions - just pandering.
Though I am glad the Veldnought gets to stay.
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Gojyu
Ever Flow HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2008.08.28 02:57:00 -
[1096]
Quote:
A dread in high-sec, as highlighted already, is all but invincible and is certainly not something that can realistically be suicide-ganked. If Chribba (or anyone) was providing minerals en massT to one half of a warring alliance then he would most definitely be conferring a PvP advantage by using it. There's a bigger picture to look at here beyond the "omg Chribba is so great why oh why must he have to suffer".
One man in a below-par mining ship is not going to single-handedly turn the tide of an alliance war. A dreadnaught, while awe-inspiring, is nowhere near an actually effective mining ship. I think you've missed the reason chribba uses it.
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Frug
Zenithal Harvest
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Posted - 2008.08.28 02:58:00 -
[1097]
Originally by: Juleko
A dread in high-sec, as highlighted already, is all but invincible
You really don't know this game very well and should probably not be giving newbie opinions about how things will affect the game.
It's very much not invincible.
Your concern is that they'll have a very tough mining ship that isn't allowed to fight back. Seriously. Grasp at straws more. - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Hey, my marbles |
Haradgrim
Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2008.08.28 02:58:00 -
[1098]
Originally by: Juleko
Originally by: Haradgrim I know its semantics but I'm pretty sure that Chribba articulately conveyed a request for an explanation given the situation he was faced. It was everyone else that went Ape Shit!
It's academic really, the vast majority of people who replied on here didn't even bother considering the bigger picture - they saw "Chribba nerfed" and hit Reply instantly.
Now we're back to a situation where capitals are in high-sec that are subject to ambiguous rules. One of which - the key one imo - is that they can't be used in PvP. What context are we talking about here? Saying "you can't pew-pew with your capital" is pretty black and white, but a capital in high-sec is practically invincible, and there are ways of using it outside of combat which would constitute PvP (e.g. mining for a warring alliance who can do nothing to stop it, etc).
I posted this in another thread but I believe it's relevant:
People often bring up mining as being a PvP mechanism and although I don't do it myself I agree that it is. Bringing a bigger and/or faster mining ship to a roid party than the guys you're competing with confers you an advantage over them - the difference being that with sufficient funds they can do likewise, with high-sec capitals being the exception. Ultimately being able to mine faster than other people means you can control the market accordingly, you can set mineral prices lower than pilots in regular high-sec ships can comfortably afford to compete with - and this most definitely is a form of PvP.
I've always liked the fact that in Eve there's been no glass ceiling in any aspect of the game - if you have sufficient ISK and/or sufficient time to train skills then you can be every bit as efficient/good as the next guy. Sadly capitals in high-sec (since they can no longer be built there) are essentially an unattainable Eve endgame+1 for a select few that no one else can hope to ever achieve. That, fundamentally, is a bad thing imo.
A dread in high-sec, as highlighted already, is all but invincible and is certainly not something that can realistically be suicide-ganked. If Chribba (or anyone) was providing minerals en massT to one half of a warring alliance then he would most definitely be conferring a PvP advantage by using it. There's a bigger picture to look at here beyond the "omg Chribba is so great why oh why must he have to suffer".
You just need to right click my sig and check the url to know where my loyalties lie....prolly the same for many --
Originally by: CCP Oveur ...every forum whine feels like a baby pony is getting killed
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Djens
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Posted - 2008.08.28 02:59:00 -
[1099]
Originally by: Schalac
Originally by: Djens About whining, CCP in my oppinion didn't cave in to whines, they let common sense rule, really it's that simple. As for people wanting their dual mwd ravens back or cruise-Kestrels, sure go on and whine but it wont change the fact that the whine is out of porportions unjustified. Quite the opposite of this matter.
So, what then did they do? CHRIBBA has a capital ship in high sec. CCP said hey lets finally get all of the cap ships that are in high sec out of there and not let any more in. CHRIBBA went ape shit on the forums about how EVE is now dead and all of his lackeys turned it into a 30+ page post about how unfair it is that a ship that doesn't belong in high sec was removed from it. CCP caved in and then made up new "rules" on the spot and reversed the action they just took. That looks an awful lot like caving to me and it is not common sense, common sense would be the community saying,"well no one else is allowed to have cap ships in high sec so why should he" and supported CCP for removing it.
Common sense to me is not about being all out rational about what is fair and what is not. It's about knowing when an exception should be made. CCP made a poor decision NOT when bringing it back but when removing it. And for the record I don't care for who ever has the caps be it you or Chribba or anyone else for that matter.
So what about you, do you always prefer equality/fairness over uniqueness? If not what is your take on this one? It's not like the Veldnaught are threatening anyone (except asteroids maybe)
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Schalac
Caldari Apocalypse Reign
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Posted - 2008.08.28 03:17:00 -
[1100]
Originally by: Djens
Originally by: Schalac
Originally by: Djens About whining, CCP in my oppinion didn't cave in to whines, they let common sense rule, really it's that simple. As for people wanting their dual mwd ravens back or cruise-Kestrels, sure go on and whine but it wont change the fact that the whine is out of porportions unjustified. Quite the opposite of this matter.
So, what then did they do? CHRIBBA has a capital ship in high sec. CCP said hey lets finally get all of the cap ships that are in high sec out of there and not let any more in. CHRIBBA went ape shit on the forums about how EVE is now dead and all of his lackeys turned it into a 30+ page post about how unfair it is that a ship that doesn't belong in high sec was removed from it. CCP caved in and then made up new "rules" on the spot and reversed the action they just took. That looks an awful lot like caving to me and it is not common sense, common sense would be the community saying,"well no one else is allowed to have cap ships in high sec so why should he" and supported CCP for removing it.
Common sense to me is not about being all out rational about what is fair and what is not. It's about knowing when an exception should be made. CCP made a poor decision NOT when bringing it back but when removing it. And for the record I don't care for who ever has the caps be it you or Chribba or anyone else for that matter.
So what about you, do you always prefer equality/fairness over uniqueness? If not what is your take on this one? It's not like the Veldnaught are threatening anyone (except asteroids maybe)
I always prefer equality and fairness in video games. There are few things that I despise. First is rules applied to some and not others. Second is hackers/cheaters. Parrots that follow people around and hang on their every word like it is the word of god. Last is people that feel that because they have more levels/money/bigger guild or corp, they are "1337" and everyone should bow down to them and do everything they say because they have those things.
Can anyone here honestly say though that if anyone else made this thread it would of been looked at the same way? I truly believe if I was in CHRIBBAS shoes and made a post I would not have a capital ship back in my high sec hanger right now.
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Vincent Gaines
Avis de Captura
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Posted - 2008.08.28 03:30:00 -
[1101]
Some people here REALLY need to google "grandfather clause"
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Haradgrim
Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2008.08.28 03:40:00 -
[1102]
Originally by: Vincent Gaines Some people here REALLY need to google "grandfather clause"
There are more applications of that meaning of "grandfather" than just the legal clause version.
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Originally by: CCP Oveur ...every forum whine feels like a baby pony is getting killed
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Anastasia Heron
Amarr Interstellar Planetary KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.28 04:03:00 -
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I'm extremely glad that this matter was resolved positively, although I'd like to see some clarification on the policies.
But as I was reading this all at work today, a thought occured to me... don't forget that this is CCP's playground, not ours, and that they can add to, take away, buff, nerf, or otherwise modify our world to the point that things we've spent hours, days, weeks, months on can be wiped out in an instant. This game is ultimately only temporary, and under the complete domain of the GM's and Devs, who are only as responsible for their actions to the player base as they decide to be. Note that I'm not slamming or otherwise bad-talking CCP, just making the point that they can erase all kinds of work, representing all kinds of time and commitment, with the press of a few buttons (or lack thereof, I'm talking to you boot.ini).
tl;dr: Go outside once in awhile. -----
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Brute Offence
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.08.28 04:04:00 -
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Edited by: Brute Offence on 28/08/2008 04:05:42 stupid alt
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Ethen Bejorn
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Posted - 2008.08.28 04:05:00 -
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Originally by: Tortun Nahme because a very small minority of players whined out loud enough for the jedi to hear it? CCP has legitimate reasons for doing exatly what they did, had they given proper notification of intention instead of just ninja'ing it, i would have no problem with their actions. However, the set a horrible precedent by even appearing to cave to any apparent favoritism by backpeddaling on this decision. There is no "legitimate" reason to allow "some" people to have cap ships in high sec while everyone else is forbidden.
Agreed 100%. CCP changing thier mind for Chribba reeks of favoritism. There is no need for these ships in high-sec. I understand why they were removing them, and I can understand it ****ing off a very small minority of players, but so be it for the betterment of the game.
CCP needs to grow some balls, and they also need to put some thought into thier decisions BEFORE making them, not after.
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Djens
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Posted - 2008.08.28 04:06:00 -
[1106]
Originally by: Schalac
Originally by: Djens
Originally by: Schalac
Originally by: Djens About whining, CCP in my oppinion didn't cave in to whines, they let common sense rule, really it's that simple. As for people wanting their dual mwd ravens back or cruise-Kestrels, sure go on and whine but it wont change the fact that the whine is out of porportions unjustified. Quite the opposite of this matter.
So, what then did they do? CHRIBBA has a capital ship in high sec. CCP said hey lets finally get all of the cap ships that are in high sec out of there and not let any more in. CHRIBBA went ape shit on the forums about how EVE is now dead and all of his lackeys turned it into a 30+ page post about how unfair it is that a ship that doesn't belong in high sec was removed from it. CCP caved in and then made up new "rules" on the spot and reversed the action they just took. That looks an awful lot like caving to me and it is not common sense, common sense would be the community saying,"well no one else is allowed to have cap ships in high sec so why should he" and supported CCP for removing it.
Common sense to me is not about being all out rational about what is fair and what is not. It's about knowing when an exception should be made. CCP made a poor decision NOT when bringing it back but when removing it. And for the record I don't care for who ever has the caps be it you or Chribba or anyone else for that matter.
So what about you, do you always prefer equality/fairness over uniqueness? If not what is your take on this one? It's not like the Veldnaught are threatening anyone (except asteroids maybe)
I always prefer equality and fairness in video games. There are few things that I despise. First is rules applied to some and not others. Second is hackers/cheaters. Parrots that follow people around and hang on their every word like it is the word of god. Last is people that feel that because they have more levels/money/bigger guild or corp, they are "1337" and everyone should bow down to them and do everything they say because they have those things.
Can anyone here honestly say though that if anyone else made this thread it would of been looked at the same way? I truly believe if I was in CHRIBBAS shoes and made a post I would not have a capital ship back in my high sec hanger right now.
I truly believe most people here are not supporting Chribba in person, but the cause itself be it chribba or anyone else. Maybe I'm just totally deluded but that's my belief. I agree with your points about cheaters and followers and what not. I also see why individual exceptions to general rules can be a bad thing. But rules itself are not fair either, rules are very bendable to favor something particular on others behalf. This new rule is infact applied to everyone. It clearly says that all capital ships built in hi-sec can be transfered back. And really it's not game breaking or anything, it's for novelty nothing else.
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Vikarion
Caldari BLACK 0RIGIN Red Dawn Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.28 04:09:00 -
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Awesome, CCP.
Although this should never have happened, I give you props for responding to the players. It restores a little of my faith in you. --------
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Tonglil
Caldari The Reservoir Dogs
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Posted - 2008.08.28 04:11:00 -
[1108]
Mhmm, I don't get it, it sorta confused me. So capitals are now allowed in high security space? Does that mean we get to launch cyno fields everywhere? But wouldn't people see high sec as a place for people who don't want to risk their caps in fights and just show them off in high sec space? Now how about motherships, and titans; how will they fit into the station? If they can't (per usual), we'll have large ships sitting on the outside of stations waiting for people to gank them? Yay, high sec cap kills haha! Anyways, this topic and these changes intrigue me... Now to get a carrier somehow...
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Fayn Trak
Gallente Myridian Trading Systems
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Posted - 2008.08.28 04:15:00 -
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Originally by: Schalac I always prefer equality and fairness in video games. There are few things that I despise. First is rules applied to some and not others. Second is hackers/cheaters. Parrots that follow people around and hang on their every word like it is the word of god. Last is people that feel that because they have more levels/money/bigger guild or corp, they are "1337" and everyone should bow down to them and do everything they say because they have those things.
Can anyone here honestly say though that if anyone else made this thread it would of been looked at the same way? I truly believe if I was in CHRIBBAS shoes and made a post I would not have a capital ship back in my high sec hanger right now.
Perhaps, perhaps not. Personally I'm very tired of prefacing all cool things to go and see in eve with "there used to be". The secure can memorial 1k km toward the eve gate in new eden, the static large collidables that were a couple of thousand km's off belts and moons that you had to use the directional scanner to find. The non cap in high sec rule is not there to regulate people it's there as a part of the structure of the game, it is neither fair nor unfair. A herd of cattle A flock of geese A lot of isk |
Christari Zuborov
Amarr Ore Mongers Black Hand.
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Posted - 2008.08.28 04:19:00 -
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Originally by: Tortun Nahme
Originally by: Joss Sparq
Originally by: Tortun Nahme personally I'm very disappointed in thsi whole afrair, they mishandled the timetable/warning, but they compounded the folly by backpeddaling
So if someone does something which is perceived as wrong, they shouldn't make any amends for it? A ridiculous statement and a ridiculous sentiment in this case.
because a very small minority of players whined out loud enough for the jedi to hear it? CCP has legitimate reasons for doing exatly what they did, had they given proper notification of intention instead of just ninja'ing it, i would have no problem with their actions. However, the set a horrible precedent by even appearing to cave to any apparent favoritism by backpeddaling on this decision. There is no "legitimate" reason to allow "some" people to have cap ships in high sec while everyone else is forbidden.
I absolutely agree with this poster.
It isn't that CCP shouldn't listen to critical issues protested by the community, but this... this is just stupid. Chribba's veldnaught doesn't require special attention, regardless of my respect of a fellow player, and upstanding community donater; he should feel ashamed for protesting something selfishly.
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Kuolematon
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2008.08.28 04:24:00 -
[1111]
So NERD RAGE ended? Good. Now lets go back playing WoW. I need to ding 70 with my druid before WotLK hits.
"The Amarr are the tanking and ganking floating rods of goldcrap"
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Schalac
Caldari Apocalypse Reign
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Posted - 2008.08.28 04:26:00 -
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Originally by: Kuolematon So NERD RAGE ended? Good. Now lets go back playing WoW. I need to ding 70 with my druid before WotLK hits.
Didn't that already come out?
Oh and did you guys hear FFXI is getting a new update where you can reduce your level to party up with your lower level friends.
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Anig Browl
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.08.28 04:27:00 -
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Originally by: TamiyaCowboy
i been playing since june 16th 2006, back then we had 500k sp (starting char) no warp too 0, no wrecks, no salvage. life was hard back then, it was the mad mwd rush too gates, the age of 10k bookmarks etc etc.
This. I don't argue for turning the clock back or dis new players in any way, but when I created a piracy alt for some wicked fun a few weeks ago I was shocked at how good my new toon was straight out out of the starting blocks. It used to take a month of work to get to where a new player starts today.
In an attempt to be relevant, when CCP makes a unilateral decision like 'we're moving call HiSec caps to LoSec' (I'm sure it seemed like a good idea at the time etc. etc., and there will be parallel examples in future), don't 'just do it'. Put the change up as a news item from the very top of Concord or something, make a roleplaying element and use that to test the in-game reaction.
I have been playing MMOs since 1989 (text MUDs) and the basic principles remain the same: you can nerf/buff things if you give people a little notice in order to prepare for the change, but don't unexpectedly mess with a player's house/backpack/hanger. Ever. Just as players forget that GMs are trying to run a business and please thousands of selfish players, GMs forget that players have a big emotional and temporal investment in the game. Nobody gets a dreadnaught without having put a lot of thought and effort into Eve, and upsetting such a player (who is usually a role model for others) is the worst kind of negative advertising.
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Semkhet
Spartan Industries
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Posted - 2008.08.28 06:43:00 -
[1114]
Edited by: Semkhet on 28/08/2008 06:44:26
Originally by: Schalac
I always prefer equality and fairness in video games. There are few things that I despise. First is rules applied to some and not others. Second is hackers/cheaters. Parrots that follow people around and hang on their every word like it is the word of god. Last is people that feel that because they have more levels/money/bigger guild or corp, they are "1337" and everyone should bow down to them and do everything they say because they have those things.
Can anyone here honestly say though that if anyone else made this thread it would of been looked at the same way? I truly believe if I was in CHRIBBAS shoes and made a post I would not have a capital ship back in my high sec hanger right now.
Still keeping this bubbling septic tank which serves you as brain going on ?
- There is no asymmetric enforcement of rules. You could have been part of the pool had you enjoyed ownership of a high-sec located cap prior to the introduction of the new high-sec cap constraint rules. That you didn't is nobody's fault but yourself.
- What have hackers/cheaters to do with anything related to this thread ?
- Players are entitled to their opinion, whatever it is. I'm not ridiculing you because you have an opinion, but because you're spitting crappola on steroids, as simple as that.
- The ingame achievements of the players who support Chribba have nothing to do with their opinion. You'll find in this thread from players having been able to buy supercaps through Chribba up to noobs who are tankful just for having been provided with the opportunity to actually see a dread.
- You still fail to comprehend that one of the reasons of the uproar has been the perceived lack of consultation and/or due announcement from CCP prior to taking a decision, along with the intrinsic nonsense of said decision.
- And finally, you'll have the right to compare yourself to Chribba the day you have provided during years services and bandwith to the EvE community at your sole RL expenses. That's why Chribba IS Chribba, and you, well, you're Mr. Nobody
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Morning Maniac
Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2008.08.28 06:44:00 -
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I too have a dread in hi sec to show to our newest members or to us as a demo. We have been in many empire wars and I have never used it because I know I am not allowed to. I don't see the problem in having these hi sec capitals with the current rules.
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Cay Qel'Droma
Amarr RONA Corporation RONA Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.28 06:48:00 -
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This thread has over 1100 posts. I can imagine vast majority of posters, positive or negative, do not have their own cap (I'm not considering the ones that their corp or alliance bought them "cuz they can fly it", I mean earned ships).
Imagine you had one built for the purpose of having it in hi sec for any purpose and you paid your ISK for it. Then CCP decides only the caps that were built in hi sec are to stay, which sounds fair to me. They were built there, after all. To finish the nice story, you get kicked out for what reason? Obeying the rules? Stop talking s*** for the sake of talking, please.
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Silver Night
Caldari Naqam Exalted.
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Posted - 2008.08.28 07:00:00 -
[1117]
Edited by: Silver Night on 28/08/2008 07:01:14 The people complaining about the change back: Was it unreasonable for Chribba to make a completely legitimate complaint here? he didn't ask for everyone to go crazy about it.
You would argue what? That he not be allowed to post on the forums just like anyone else can because he is well known and loved by the community?
Now who is advocating asymmetric application of the rules?
For the record, as in my first post, this isn't a democracy. This isn't even a republic. This is the Kingdom of CCP. They can show favoritism if the damn well please. In this case, they didn't. Did the fact Chribba posted about it make the issue have a higher visibility than it would otherwise? Sure. Was it an unwise decision that should have been reversed regardless? Yes.
The people whining about fairness need to clear the grade school propaganda out of their minds a little better. Life isn't fair. Be thankful when something you think isn't fair is something like this, that doesn't effect you in any real way. It's a game. No one is going hungry, no one is dying, your neighbor isn't even getting a greener lawn than you. Deal with it.
I'm new to being in an empire PvP corp, and I understand the tears of the bitter losers in any kind of contest I am on the winning side of are supposed to be sweet nectar to me. It is in the griefing brochure. I'm not good at it yet though apparently, because reading some of the downright stupid, pedantic, petty replies here only further lower my opinion of my fellow players.
At least my opinion of CCP is at last raising its bloodied form from the foot of the massive cliff it jumped off of and has been tumbling down pretty much since they implemented POS warfare. Maybe it will start climbing back up again with the winter patch. Or even a reasonable compromise for the nano-nerf, though I'm not holding my breath of course.
Edit: To the above poster: I actually wanted a Chimera in high sec (Luminaire to be precise, don't ask). I was a little too slow to get it built though, and now my poor baby is in low sec forever. --------------
The Clown Man. GLS Mr. State Caldari Patriot. Sansha's Nation Supporter
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Schalac
Caldari Apocalypse Reign
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Posted - 2008.08.28 07:04:00 -
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Originally by: Semkhet Still keeping this bubbling septic tank which serves you as brain going on ?
Thank you I love compliments.
Quote: - There is no asymmetric enforcement of rules. You could have been part of the pool had you enjoyed ownership of a high-sec located cap prior to the introduction of the new high-sec cap constraint rules. That you didn't is nobody's fault but yourself.
And what exactly would I do with this high sec cap? If I ever feel like flying a cap ship I'll do it where I can actually use the ship for it's purpose. Not some goofy "look at me I have a dread in high sec" mining op.
Quote: - What have hackers/cheaters to do with anything related to this thread ?
Those are people I don't like, maybe reading comprehension isn't turned on in that septic tank of a brain you have.
Quote: - Players are entitled to their opinion, whatever it is. I'm not ridiculing you because you have an opinion, but because you're spitting crappola on steroids, as simple as that.
I do it damn well too.
Quote: - The ingame achievements of the players who support Chribba have nothing to do with their opinion. You'll find in this thread from players having been able to buy supercaps through Chribba up to noobs who are tankful just for having been provided with the opportunity to actually see a dread.
And? I realize this fact, it has no bearing on the fact that caps don't belong in high sec whatever the reason.
Quote: - You still fail to comprehend that one of the reasons of the uproar has been the perceived lack of consultation and/or due announcement from CCP prior to taking a decision, along with the intrinsic nonsense of said decision.
Um.. unless I'm mistaken CCP can do whatever they want to with this game, they could shut it down tomorrow without any reason if they so choose. See it's a little thing I like to call the EULA, it basically gives CCP free reign to do whatever they want without rhyme or reason.
Quote: - And finally, you'll have the right to compare yourself to Chribba the day you have provided during years services and bandwith to the EvE community at your sole RL expenses. That's why Chribba IS Chribba, and you, well, you're Mr. Nobody
I like being a nobody, because no one expects you to do anything when you're a nobody. But it is not CCPs fault that he did those things. He did them on his own accord and I salute him for it. It does not mean he should get special treatment from CCP for said acts of kindness though. He is after all still a PLAYER in the game and to provide advantage to him because of what he does with his spare time is what my post was against and how I feel it should be.
Remember when people were all up in arms about the fact that BoB might have an advantage because of possible CCP involvement where they shouldn't of been afforded such advantages... Every player is equal, and should be treated as such.
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2008.08.28 07:11:00 -
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Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 28/08/2008 07:12:27 First things first, "congratulations" Chribba, normal status restored.
As i said, wait for the messenger to speak before shooting
Now...
To the ones who complain about the response time...seriously;
Chribbas thread started at:
27/08/2008 06:42:00
27/08/2008 19:46:00
That's, what, 13 hours? Hardly even worth a "You were a bit tardy, but it's ok, it's not like it's a funeral."
And STILL people complain, even after the reversal, and explanation....what is wrong with you people? I'm not mad, or whining, i'm...disappointed
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Chillshock
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Posted - 2008.08.28 07:14:00 -
[1120]
Originally by: Schalac And? I realize this fact, it has no bearing on the fact that caps don't belong in high sec whatever the reason.
There is one sole and superior reason for anything: If it improves the overall quality of the game to the benifit and to no disadvatages to others - it is not only to be tollerated but to be seen positively.
Think about it: There are some player made icons from something like "a previous aera". Not many games can display something like this. It is an impressive and not-harmfull part of EvE and by those means: It is goooooooood!
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Silver Night
Caldari Naqam Exalted.
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Posted - 2008.08.28 07:17:00 -
[1121]
Originally by: Sheriff Jones
To the ones who complain about the response time...seriously;
Chribbas thread started at:
27/08/2008 06:42:00
27/08/2008 19:46:00
That's, what, 13 hours? Hardly even worth a "You were a bit tardy, but it's ok, it's not like it's a funeral."
And STILL people complain, even after the reversal, and explanation....what is wrong with you people? I'm not mad, or whining, i'm...disappointed
Yeah, especially since the thread started what? In the very early hours local time in Iceland? Hell, it was pretty early local time in England where the servers are too. And the fact that forum outrage or no, I doubt it was super-high on their to-do list for the day. What is wrong with people these days, get a grip. --------------
The Clown Man. GLS Mr. State Caldari Patriot. Sansha's Nation Supporter
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Roemy Schneider
BINFORD
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Posted - 2008.08.28 07:31:00 -
[1122]
it's things like these that make you doubt the gods that are the GMs/devs...
like... - T20's sabre BPO - "boost patch" - "need for speed" -> desync - the idea to end the trade section of this forum "because market and contracts can do all that" - plan to remove all harmless sand castles like the veldnaught e.a. - ...
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The Tzar
Malicious Intentions Un-Natural Selection
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Posted - 2008.08.28 07:40:00 -
[1123]
Edited by: The Tzar on 28/08/2008 07:43:38
So bored of whiners getting their way..., this will ruin the game more than anything else.
Take note of this warning GM's and DEV's. __________________________________________
'Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear intelligent until they speak' __________________________________________ |
Schalac
Caldari Apocalypse Reign
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Posted - 2008.08.28 07:42:00 -
[1124]
Originally by: The Tzar I think by the numbers of shocked responses to this thread, the Veldnaught should be reinstated and the original whiners nerfed to oblivion.
So bored of whiners getting their way..., this will ruin the game more than anything else.
Take note of this warning GM's and DEV's.
The original whiner in this thread was Chribba...
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Darth Kasbian
Random Pirate's Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2008.08.28 07:44:00 -
[1125]
What another shocking crap move by CCP chribba will still stay a A lister in my eve world with or with out the Veld least i have screen shots of it in amarr
Peace chribba
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The Tzar
Malicious Intentions Un-Natural Selection
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Posted - 2008.08.28 07:46:00 -
[1126]
Originally by: Schalac
Originally by: The Tzar
So bored of whiners getting their way..., this will ruin the game more than anything else.
Take note of this warning GM's and DEV's.
The original whiner in this thread was Chribba...
In this thread but not the start of the issue, surely otherwise why would it have just been decided. __________________________________________
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Colonel Apocalypse
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Posted - 2008.08.28 07:51:00 -
[1127]
Victory !
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Schalac
Caldari Apocalypse Reign
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Posted - 2008.08.28 07:54:00 -
[1128]
Originally by: Colonel Apocalypse Victory !
I vote for this guy to be a CSM. Would give meaning to my corp name...other than it's true meaning.
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Semkhet
Spartan Industries
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Posted - 2008.08.28 07:58:00 -
[1129]
Originally by: Schalac And what exactly would I do with this high sec cap? If I ever feel like flying a cap ship I'll do it where I can actually use the ship for it's purpose. Not some goofy "look at me I have a dread in high sec" mining op.
So why are you posting in this thread ? From one side you criticize the concept because of "unfair mining", when an Osprey could achieve better efficiency. Then you scream against the tank, when you couldn't gank an all-out pimped BS either. Then you refer to the cargo capacity, conveniently forgetting that this ship is located in a 1.0 sec system where belts disappear faster than the speed you can maneuver this damn dread to start with.
Quote: Those are people I don't like, maybe reading comprehension isn't turned on in that septic tank of a brain you have.
Well, reading comprehension implies addressing the matter at hand. I doubt anybody is interested in your hate & love list.
Quote: Um.. unless I'm mistaken CCP can do whatever they want to with this game, they could shut it down tomorrow without any reason if they so choose. See it's a little thing I like to call the EULA, it basically gives CCP free reign to do whatever they want without rhyme or reason.
And CCP is a money making venture, which implies that short of any suicidal behavior, they better care about what their paying customer base think. Besides, the EULA you refer to has a volatile validity according to the laws governing the specific location of each individual paying customer. The fact that state-enacted laws superceed whatever BS a commercial company comes with seems unknown to you...
Quote: I like being a nobody, because no one expects you to do anything when you're a nobody. But it is not CCPs fault that he did those things. He did them on his own accord and I salute him for it. It does not mean he should get special treatment from CCP for said acts of kindness though. He is after all still a PLAYER in the game and to provide advantage to him because of what he does with his spare time is what my post was against and how I feel it should be.
Remember when people were all up in arms about the fact that BoB might have an advantage because of possible CCP involvement where they shouldn't of been afforded such advantages... Every player is equal, and should be treated as such.
You should get a reality check. If my actions contribute to the well being of an entity, it is logical that said entity will react in kind in the way it considers appropriate. That's what you witnessed here, both from the majority of posters and CCP.
Did you ever thought one second about the money that Chribba allowed CCP to save for years (by providing services, bandwith, and cutting down web development costs), and the promotion of EvE (which directly translates into tangible additional income for CCP ?) Did you ever thought about the amount of transactions within EvE that have only be made possible thanks to Chribba as reliable intermediary ?
The guy isn't an ego addict. He's most of the time silent on forums, takes no public high-profile role within ingame politics, and rather works quietly behind the scene to provide and maintain a range of services he's paying for from his own pocket for the only bipartisan sake of EvE's community.
And it's not very appropriate of you to refer to that BPO incident either, which was purely limited to an episode of favoritism between individuals. Anyone who has the smallest clue about the wealth, power and situation of BOB knows that this unfortunate event didn't change a iota about what BOB could or not do.
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Viper ShizzIe
The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.08.28 08:00:00 -
[1130]
lol, bitter people get so wound up about stupid shit sometimes =/
Glad to see it was returned, Chribba.
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2008.08.28 08:21:00 -
[1131]
Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 28/08/2008 08:22:07
Originally by: Colonel Apocalypse Victory !
Originally by: The Tzar Edited by: The Tzar on 28/08/2008 07:43:38
So bored of whiners getting their way..., this will ruin the game more than anything else.
Take note of this warning GM's and DEV's.
Posted this in another place:
Honestly? I don't think Chribba showed any "power" in his move, just that the community supports him. The moving of the non-combat capitals was a mistake as said by CCP "the guidelines weren't clear enough" and nothing more.
People claiming supreme victory and/or "whining changed things" is just, excuse my french, le travestiT.
This is an opinion, based on what i've seen, not a complaint.
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Ninsoku
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Posted - 2008.08.28 08:28:00 -
[1132]
Originally by: TamiyaCowboy 1. get rid of the CSM
2. start listening too long term players, ones older than 2yrs not three day old idoits/alts
Most of CSM are long term players, many of them playing from beta or day one retail.
Do your research
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Boobiencia
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Posted - 2008.08.28 08:35:00 -
[1133]
so, if I war dec chribbas corp and he undocks in his dread when Im in system, i can petition him for using it for combat?:D
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2008.08.28 08:36:00 -
[1134]
Originally by: Boobiencia so, if I war dec chribbas corp and he undocks in his dread when Im in system, i can petition him for using it for combat?:D
Do you really think I would undock if I was decced no matter that rule?
Secure 3rd party service ■ Veldspar |
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Schalac
Caldari Apocalypse Reign
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Posted - 2008.08.28 08:37:00 -
[1135]
Originally by: Semkhet So why are you posting in this thread ? From one side you criticize the concept because of "unfair mining", when an Osprey could achieve better efficiency. Then you scream against the tank, when you couldn't gank an all-out pimped BS either. Then you refer to the cargo capacity, conveniently forgetting that this ship is located in a 1.0 sec system where belts disappear faster than the speed you can maneuver this damn dread to start with.
I never retracted any of my concerns and if you add them up they equate to an advantage as described by the new RULE #3...
Quote: Well, reading comprehension implies addressing the matter at hand. I doubt anybody is interested in your hate & love list.
And that was a direct answer to a question posed in the thread therefore was very relevant and I answered directly.
Quote: And CCP is a money making venture, which implies that short of any suicidal behavior, they better care about what their paying customer base think. Besides, the EULA you refer to has a volatile validity according to the laws governing the specific location of each individual paying customer. The fact that state-enacted laws superceed whatever BS a commercial company comes with seems unknown to you...
And what laws are you talking about that would of supersede CCP moving Chribbas dread into low sec?
Quote: You should get a reality check. If my actions contribute to the well being of an entity, it is logical that said entity will react in kind in the way it considers appropriate. That's what you witnessed here, both from the majority of posters and CCP.
Did you ever thought one second about the money that Chribba allowed CCP to save for years (by providing services, bandwith, and cutting down web development costs), and the promotion of EvE (which directly translates into tangible additional income for CCP ?) Did you ever thought about the amount of transactions within EvE that have only be made possible thanks to Chribba as reliable intermediary ?
So Chribba hosted the game on his own servers in the past??? The amount of transactions within EVE??? Are you serious or are you pulling my leg? Look no one is saying that Chribba is this evil entity because he has a dread in high sec. I'm just saying that there is no reason for it and CCP did something to remove it which was right all things considered. It serves no purpose being there. Not one thing about it being in Amarr helps the game at all. It does give him a hell of a tank to mine in though. Oh there is that rule #3 again...
Quote: The guy isn't an ego addict. He's most of the time silent on forums, takes no public high-profile role within ingame politics, and rather works quietly behind the scene to provide and maintain a range of services he's paying for from his own pocket for the only bipartisan sake of EvE's community.
Then why did he post here instead of dealing with it through petitions the way it should of been handled....DING DING DING we have a winner, BECAUSE HE KNEW PEOPLE ON THE FORUMS WOULD SUPPORT WHATEVER HE SAID AND GET IT CHANGED. Look, I'm not a complete babbling buffoon. I know how things work. Chribba totally played you saps on the forums because he knows he has a fan base.
Quote: And it's not very appropriate of you to refer to that BPO incident either, which was purely limited to an episode of favoritism between individuals. Anyone who has the smallest clue about the wealth, power and situation of BOB knows that this unfortunate event didn't change a iota about what BOB could or not do.
Who said it did? I was just pointing out other instances of CCP showing favoritism over the general masses because our money doesn't mean as much as theirs. In an MMO that the devs, GMs or anyone else tied to them in general show favoritism to any sect of player regardless of past or future endeavors they may or may not make is bad business. That is the way I feel and I won't change it.
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Taradis
Amarr The Imperial Assassins Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2008.08.28 08:37:00 -
[1136]
Edited by: Taradis on 28/08/2008 08:38:59 WTF!!!! Chribba you got booted out of high sec with that big sexy veldnaught? thats messed up you've been hi-secing it in that thing for forever and a day now.... and to all the folks that are happy with this messed up move fuk off and play WoW. Chribba is an Eve celebrity how the hell can CCP do this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I bet some godamn n00bs *****ed nuff bout it and CCP caved thats ****ing weak. I was looking forward to maybe bumpin into chribba and his veldnaught and hanging out with him while he mines..... WEAK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2008.08.28 08:39:00 -
[1137]
Originally by: Taradis WTF!!!! Chribba you got booted out of high sec with that big sexy veldnaught? thats messed up you've been hi-secing it in that thing for forever and a day now.... and to all the folks that are happy with this messed up move fuk off and play WoW. Chribba is an Eve celebrity how the hell can CCP do this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I bet someone godamn n00bs *****ed nuff bout it and CCP caved thats ****ing weak. I was looking forward to maybe bumpin into chribba and his veldnaught and hanging out with him while he mines..... WEAK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
*coughs* *points at link in Chribbas original post* You know, click it, just for fun
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Frug
Zenithal Harvest
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Posted - 2008.08.28 08:49:00 -
[1138]
Edited by: Frug on 28/08/2008 08:51:53
Originally by: Sheriff Jones
27/08/2008 06:42:00
27/08/2008 19:46:00
That's, what, 13 hours? Hardly even worth a "You were a bit tardy, but it's ok, it's not like it's a funeral."
And STILL people complain, even after the reversal, and explanation....what is wrong with you people? I'm not mad, or whining, i'm...disappointed
The decision should never have been made the way it was to begin with.
It was reversed because of a 25 page forum thread exploded and people were all yelling about it. This should not be necessary to prevent stupid decisions from being made.
Their explanation was "we were confused and fudged it up because we have poor internal communication" and this satisfies you?
Wait until you purchase the equivalent of a high sec cap ship, and CCP ruins it quietly and without warning you, because they have poor rules standards and have random people making these decisions. For you, there won't be a forum explosion to reverse it. You'll be left grumbling.
That's what bugs me.
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2008.08.28 08:51:00 -
[1139]
Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 28/08/2008 08:51:24
Originally by: Frug The decision should never have been made the way it was to begin with.
It was reversed because of a 25 page forum thread exploded and people were all yelling about it. This should not be necessary to prevent stupid decisions from being made.
Their explanation was "we were confused and fudged it up because we have poor internal communication" and this satisfies you?
"For a lack of clear guidelines about one single issue in game".
It was explained, in a very timely manner, people over-reacted and went WAY overboard with it.
Chribbas petition is probably the ONLY thing that changed it back.
It was a mistake, by one human, humans are fallible.
My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit. |
Frug
Zenithal Harvest
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Posted - 2008.08.28 08:54:00 -
[1140]
Originally by: Sheriff Jones
"For a lack of clear guidelines about one single issue in game".
It was explained, in a very timely manner, people over-reacted and went WAY overboard with it.
Chribbas petition is probably the ONLY thing that changed it back.
It was a mistake, by one human, humans are fallible.
Shit you reply fast.
Edit: Wait until you purchase the equivalent of a high sec cap ship, and CCP ruins it quietly and without warning you, because they have poor rules standards and have random people making these decisions. For you, there won't be a forum explosion to reverse it. You'll be left grumbling.
That's what bugs me.
yes, it was a mistake, but not by one human. It was a mistake by their internal organizational structure which allows one human (or however many people were involved in this) to influence billions of isk in assets without understanding the consequences and without discussing it properly.
The fact that this can be done on a whim is ridiculous.
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Troyd23
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Posted - 2008.08.28 08:56:00 -
[1141]
Forgive my ignorance to the posts before me.
Excuse me? Can' use capitals for agression in High sec?! Thats what makes them so valuable, nd awesome for that matter! It's also a huge part of EvE history. Player history, history that actually leaves its mark on the land. Its one of the reasons I love this game, and very few games even have it.
I'm a Carebear, and right now lately...things are shifting from the cruel-dark world EvE once was, but its headed in the opposite direction. ( not takin pot shots at the new security changes and nerf nano, i support those and game mechanics must change with time) But this, is severly comprimising what EvE is about. Those people built those capitals, and should be allowed to use them.
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2008.08.28 08:58:00 -
[1142]
Originally by: Frug Shit you reply fast.
Edit: Wait until you purchase the equivalent of a high sec cap ship, and CCP ruins it quietly and without warning you, because they have poor rules standards and have random people making these decisions. For you, there won't be a forum explosion to reverse it. You'll be left grumbling.
That's what bugs me.
yes, it was a mistake, but not by one human. It was a mistake by their internal organizational structure which allows one human (or however many people were involved in this) to influence billions of isk in assets without understanding the consequences and without discussing it properly.
The fact that this can be done on a whim is ridiculous.
Thanks? About replying fast
I don't need to wait, i've been nerfed, i've lived under a bat for years, i live as the game evolves and nothing would cause, even of this magnitude, to do more then go "Hmm, better petition this and ask about it".
Yes there wouldn't be an outroar like this, though if they locked and moved away my CCP shop sketch(which is growing to be rather "big"(by other peoples opinion), i bet people would be upset too. If i had an icon ingame like the highsec mining capital, people would support it. Doesn't change the fact that it was probably JUST a mistake, mistakes happen, and people over-reacted.
They have guidelines, they follow guidelines, there's SO many guidelines, that sometimes these things happen. Not a whim, but a mistake. It gets corrected, things return to normal.
What is the problem? As they said, they had a problem with guidelines, they fix it.
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Silver Night
Caldari Naqam Exalted.
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Posted - 2008.08.28 08:59:00 -
[1143]
Originally by: Frug
Originally by: Sheriff Jones
"For a lack of clear guidelines about one single issue in game".
It was explained, in a very timely manner, people over-reacted and went WAY overboard with it.
Chribbas petition is probably the ONLY thing that changed it back.
It was a mistake, by one human, humans are fallible.
Shit you reply fast.
Edit: Wait until you purchase the equivalent of a high sec cap ship, and CCP ruins it quietly and without warning you, because they have poor rules standards and have random people making these decisions. For you, there won't be a forum explosion to reverse it. You'll be left grumbling.
That's what bugs me.
yes, it was a mistake, but not by one human. It was a mistake by their internal organizational structure which allows one human (or however many people were involved in this) to influence billions of isk in assets without understanding the consequences and without discussing it properly.
The fact that this can be done on a whim is ridiculous.
Personally, call me naive, I used to have enough confidence in CCP employees that I wouldn't care if they had that kind of power and the organizations was set up in such a way that they were allowed to take decisive actions. Course, that was back when there were like, 20 of them. Pretty sure none of those people are still working on the game, except maybe a couple in the Ambulation team or something. --------------
The Clown Man. GLS Mr. State Caldari Patriot. Sansha's Nation Supporter
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Frug
Zenithal Harvest
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Posted - 2008.08.28 09:06:00 -
[1144]
Originally by: Sheriff Jones
Thanks? About replying fast
I don't need to wait, i've been nerfed, i've lived under a bat for years, i live as the game evolves and nothing would cause, even of this magnitude, to do more then go "Hmm, better petition this and ask about it".
Yes there wouldn't be an outroar like this, though if they locked and moved away my CCP shop sketch(which is growing to be rather "big"(by other peoples opinion), i bet people would be upset too. If i had an icon ingame like the highsec mining capital, people would support it. Doesn't change the fact that it was probably JUST a mistake, mistakes happen, and people over-reacted.
They have guidelines, they follow guidelines, there's SO many guidelines, that sometimes these things happen. Not a whim, but a mistake. It gets corrected, things return to normal.
What is the problem? As they said, they had a problem with guidelines, they fix it.
I don't believe there are any nerfs they could do at the moment that would affect me like this because I diversify my training and investments in anticipation of changes, but that's beside the point...
I've seen, and been a part of, some petitions with disgraceful responses. It was a mistake to move a few billion isk worth of ships without warning. They need to stop doing mistakes like this. Some of the people handling petitions (at the lower levels) are like "hurrr, I PUSH BUTAN MAKE GO" and it can get frustrating when days or weeks or months of work are on the line there. I'm assuming he escalated it, and got nowhere, and it was the forums that fixed this.
They've had a lot of time, and presumably have manpower dedicated to establishing strict guidelines and rules. I'm annoyed because they don't seem to do so, that's all. They need to have an internal wiki of rules and a good system to look things up, which they don't appear to. - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Hey, my marbles |
Moirae Arachnea
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Posted - 2008.08.28 09:19:00 -
[1145]
Originally by: Chribba
Originally by: Boobiencia so, if I war dec chribbas corp and he undocks in his dread when Im in system, i can petition him for using it for combat?:D
Do you really think I would undock if I was decced no matter that rule?
Naw, all you would have to do is post that you were War decced by such and such corp, and they would be war decced by 2/3 of the eve community and slaughtered shortly thereafter.
MA
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2008.08.28 09:20:00 -
[1146]
Originally by: Frug I'm assuming he escalated it, and got nowhere, and it was the forums that fixed this.
Aye, we can only assume, no reason for us to argue about it as both can be wrong and right, or both.
The funny thing is, people complain that CCP don't fix things fast.
For them to fix things fast, the "knowing and skillfl" people need to work, not watch petitions.
this means lesser "knowing and skillful" peolpe handle petitions and everyday "changes".
Which means, these things happen.
Damned if you do eh?
My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit. |
Stormwind Bloodfeather
Minmatar Sogdian Traders Inc
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Posted - 2008.08.28 09:25:00 -
[1147]
Originally by: Moirae Arachnea
Originally by: Chribba
Originally by: Boobiencia so, if I war dec chribbas corp and he undocks in his dread when Im in system, i can petition him for using it for combat?:D
Do you really think I would undock if I was decced no matter that rule?
Naw, all you would have to do is post that you were War decced by such and such corp, and they would be war decced by 2/3 of the eve community and slaughtered shortly thereafter.
MA
I would. In EVE, your only friend is your ship and it's weapons. All others are the enemy! |
drendell
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Posted - 2008.08.28 09:36:00 -
[1148]
sounds like there juiust doing small things to make it seem like there doing work. took me ages to relies that ccp have to be the slowest gaming company in the world, this game hasn't changed that much since its release. sure the rules have been modified and fw added but that's pretty much it, i dont include addition of ships.
imagine your playing another mmorpg the company makes a huge deal out of it and even gives it a title, it finaly comes out and you get a few new sets of armor (because thats what ships pretty much are).
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Silver Night
Caldari Naqam Exalted.
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Posted - 2008.08.28 09:44:00 -
[1149]
Originally by: drendell sounds like there juiust doing small things to make it seem like there doing work. took me ages to relies that ccp have to be the slowest gaming company in the world, this game hasn't changed that much since its release. sure the rules have been modified and fw added but that's pretty much it, i dont include addition of ships.
imagine your playing another mmorpg the company makes a huge deal out of it and even gives it a title, it finaly comes out and you get a few new sets of armor (because thats what ships pretty much are).
You... you're pretty new aintcha?
I won't say they have improved it much, but they have changed it a hell of a lot.
Also, your analogy of ships to armor is poor. Ships are, if anything, analogous to classes. --------------
The Clown Man. GLS Mr. State Caldari Patriot. Sansha's Nation Supporter
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Frug
Zenithal Harvest
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Posted - 2008.08.28 09:52:00 -
[1150]
Originally by: Sheriff Jones
Aye, we can only assume, no reason for us to argue about it as both can be wrong and right, or both.
The funny thing is, people complain that CCP don't fix things fast.
For them to fix things fast, the "knowing and skillfl" people need to work, not watch petitions.
this means lesser "knowing and skillful" peolpe handle petitions and everyday "changes".
Which means, these things happen.
Damned if you do eh?
Yeah I know. I spend almost as much time telling people to stop complaining as I do complaining myself.
People complain about the wrong things, takes attention away from the real failures :P
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Angelice
Minmatar Infinity Enterprises Daisho Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.08.28 09:54:00 -
[1151]
CCP agreed to put all caps back that they moved at those player's request... where is the favouritism? Angelice Infinity Enterprises
"To see the right and not to do it is cowardice." - Confucius
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white kight
SwEaTy ArMpIT RaIDeRs
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Posted - 2008.08.28 09:58:00 -
[1152]
Originally by: GM Grimmi Greetings everyone,
About those capital ships in high secà
First, IÆd like to apologize for this whole debacle. The simple truth is that our policies on capitals in high sec were not all that clear internally as well as officially. In hindsight, we should have given the matter more thought and discussion before acting, a valuable lesson to learn and weÆll remember it in the future. The general idea was that no capitals should be allowed in high sec and then we had some vague un-official guidelines on ships built before changes and whatnot. Those rules were never really actually set in stone and hence the situation we face now.
This is an excellent opportunity to change all that. We have therefore decided to set the following rules for capitals in high sec:
1. Capital ships may under no circumstances be used for aggression.
2. If at war, or with war declaration pending, you may not take your capital ship out of station.
3. You may not use your capital shipÆs attributes to gain any sort of advantage over other players while in high security space.
4. Breach any of the above and receive 2 weeks ban and off to low sec with your capital.
Along with those brand new actual rules, we will move ChribbaÆs Veldnaught back to Amarr, and will also move any other capital ship, by request, that was built in high sec before these changes were introduced. Anyone who had a viable high sec capital moved and wants it back should petition and we will take care of it as soon as possible.
With actual official rules on capitals in high sec, we should be able to make things work without further issues. We will be diligent about enforcing the new rules and anyone found in breach of them will have the offending capital ship moved out of high sec without advance notice, reversal or reimbursement. A two-week ban will also be imposed on the owner.
Thank you for your feedback, patience and understanding.
GM Grimmi Lead Game Master
WOOOOOOOOT CONGRATS CHRIBBA GOOD DECISION CCP Sig removed, inappropriate content. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint |
W0LFMAN
Caldari Spaced Cowboys
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Posted - 2008.08.28 10:07:00 -
[1153]
Sorry For the Late Responce....but have just finished reading 39 pages....
Well done for the U-Turn Cribba, I was terrified that i would lose my Capital position beside Jita.
I've Had My Cap Ship Years collecting dust in this system and only take it out to show the locals..which there Very Happy to See all the time.. and to shock people least expecting to see a Cap in such high space..
Well Done... maybe a few more people migth know now about the historical.
Phoenix in 0.8 1 jump from Jita.
Proof My Cap ship beside Jita
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Kazuma Saruwatari
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.08.28 10:31:00 -
[1154]
if chribba leaves EVE, we lose EVE-files.com, EVE-search, and the many other contributions he has made for the game.
In other words, thanks to his work, he's an asset worth maintaining.
Still, tbh CCP, bad form. Everything was peachy before one of your interns decided to brown-nose his way up by removing all the capitals from high-sec without considering the consequences, Chribba or not. -
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Scagga Laebetrovo
Ammatar Free Corps
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Posted - 2008.08.28 10:57:00 -
[1155]
ewww ccp flipflopped! "I had a read of the General discussion section. Part of my empathy to my fellow man died." |
Zantei
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Posted - 2008.08.28 10:59:00 -
[1156]
Well done CCP, thanks for fixing this. not that I have a capital but it's good to see you making an effort not to intentionally **** off people. ;p ------------------------------------------
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Cheeva
Gallente Creative Invention
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Posted - 2008.08.28 11:01:00 -
[1157]
Originally by: Kuzya Morozov Cry more about it because you can't keep your sad dread in hisec.
looks to me you are crying here since they can keep them in highsec
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Aaron Mirrorsaver
Warped Mining
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Posted - 2008.08.28 11:28:00 -
[1158]
dont people wardec chribba all the time? poor guy would never be able to undock anymore. ------
GBC old timer. AKA "the dude"
I like your sig, I hope someday to be also referred to as ''the dude'' - Gneeznow
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Miss Uylear
Caldari Uylears Dream
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Posted - 2008.08.28 11:36:00 -
[1159]
Chribba cried? Nah...no no no. He made a statement like many other statements on these forums. There were no tears in his post.
"Chribba wrote - So CCP, I'm really looking forward to reading your public announcement of this policy change and the explanation of the decision."
This is not an outcry for a personal response. It is an eagerly anticipated statement in regards to the public one made by CCP.
One day, I'll go see this Veldnaught. I'll gaze upon it, go 'hmm, thats nice.' Then warp off.
I see no man like man see's me. |
necronarcosis
Shadow Company G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2008.08.28 11:58:00 -
[1160]
ccp wtf are you playing at?
CSM pfftttttt what a joke u fail.
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Joss Sparq
Caldari ANZAC ALLIANCE Southern Cross Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.28 12:05:00 -
[1161]
Originally by: Tortun Nahme
Originally by: Joss Sparq
Originally by: Tortun Nahme personally I'm very disappointed in thsi whole afrair, they mishandled the timetable/warning, but they compounded the folly by backpeddaling
So if someone does something which is perceived as wrong, they shouldn't make any amends for it? A ridiculous statement and a ridiculous sentiment in this case.
because a very small minority of players whined out loud enough for the jedi to hear it?
Well I expect it wouldn't be the first time CCP have chosen to listen to the concerns of their customers and it won't be the last time as I think we can safely assume they're interested in what members of the community have to say on a wide variety of issues - including sudden rules changes.
Originally by: Tortun Nahme CCP has legitimate reasons for doing exatly what they did, had they given proper notification of intention instead of just ninja'ing it, i would have no problem with their actions.
Whether or not you would have a problem with it is irrelevant to the decision because you're not the sum of everyone else who posted here in support of the pilots of Capital ships traditionally ensconced in high security space. Just as irrelevant is your next statement:
Originally by: Tortun Nahme However, the set a horrible precedent by even appearing to cave to any apparent favoritism by backpeddaling on this decision. There is no "legitimate" reason to allow "some" people to have cap ships in high sec while everyone else is forbidden.
Horrible precedent? This isn't a court room - though now it is just the "have not" crowd still whining about the "have" crowd (small as it may be) and by your logic it'd be Tech II BPO's for everybody and damn anyone who has a problem with it, eh?
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Blue Again
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Posted - 2008.08.28 12:29:00 -
[1162]
Question is if mining in a dread is labeled as unfair advantage ?
Is the cargo hold so big it is viable ? Is it safe from ganks due to it huge amount of armor ?
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Lyvv
Amarr Personal Vendetta Vendetta Alliance.
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Posted - 2008.08.28 12:34:00 -
[1163]
bout time you came off the toilette to delegate some authority here, Grimmi
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Garia666
Amarr T.H.U.G L.I.F.E White Core
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Posted - 2008.08.28 12:50:00 -
[1164]
Finaly the community`s wins! www.garia.net |
Marc Isabel
Spartan Fleet Systems
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Posted - 2008.08.28 13:36:00 -
[1165]
I remember when I first undocked in a Battleship, Amarr system. I was looking forward to seeing it. To my amusement, the Veldnaught and a Providence were undocking at the very same moment, with my Battleship looking tiny between them. Was a fun moment. The Coconut Hauler. |
Lubomir Penev
interimo
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Posted - 2008.08.28 13:44:00 -
[1166]
Originally by: Richard Garriott Edited by: Richard Garriott on 27/08/2008 19:50:22 Boom, good, 30 pages too late though.
edit:
Quote: 3. You may not use your capital shipÆs attributes to gain any sort of advantage over other players while in high security space.
Really now? So much for clarification....
That's the "we can still just move your cap to lowsec if you do as much as undocking in it and we feel like it" rule.
-- I'm done whining about AFs, it looks like they are making them right \o/ |
Finuval
Amarr Ministry of War
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Posted - 2008.08.28 13:57:00 -
[1167]
Damn I go away for a few days and I miss something this...epic.
Note to self: read the boards more.
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Flash Bombardo
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Posted - 2008.08.28 14:21:00 -
[1168]
And thats justice.
Congrats on seeing the light CCP.
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Quincunx
Minmatar Subspace Anomaly
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Posted - 2008.08.28 14:22:00 -
[1169]
Good to see it restored.
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Larkonis Trassler
Neo Spartans
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Posted - 2008.08.28 14:58:00 -
[1170]
I don't really see this as a community win. It appears that Chribba's dread was moved by some n00b GM on his first day/unaware of the rules. Chribba poasted here meanwhile I'm sure an escalation was ponderously making it's way through the system.
Noone else's hisec Capitals (mine wasn't plus one or two others in this thread) were affected so one assumes that this was down to a GM making a decision on the spot to some eejit's petition instead of a policy change by CCP.
This is not a case of special treatment, merely a mistake that has been put right.
For the 'Caps don't belong in Hisec crowd' Oh hi. Seeing as they can't engage in any form of remotely hostile activity (although I do miss the days of the Sobaseki Phoenix killing can flippers) I don't really understand the problem. Seeing as many empire mouthbreathers are unwilling to see hisec its the only chace a lot of people get to see a Cap ship. And yes they are unique in there own way. That doesn't mean that you will never own one, I was considering selling mine and I may get the urge again should my iskies run dry. Would you say the same thing about the Fedathron owner or the Impoc owner? Yes cap ships in lowsec and 0.0 exist but by being in Highsec that makes them unique, there are what, no more than a dozen. 4 Owners have posted in this thread. Get over yourselves. They do no harm to you and upset no delicate balance.
For the 'Mining in caps gives an unfair advantage'. You can pretty easily suicide gank proof yourself and 2.6 times the yield in a BS. LOL at the person who claimed that Chribba could help a friendly alliance by mining in a Suicide proof ship. You people are pathetic killjoys. We mine in caps for a reason and that reason is not profit. Assumption of Risk |
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Shevar
Minmatar A.W.M Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2008.08.28 15:04:00 -
[1171]
Originally by: Larkonis Trassler I don't really see this as a community win. It appears that Chribba's dread was moved by some n00b GM on his first day/unaware of the rules. Chribba poasted here meanwhile I'm sure an escalation was ponderously making it's way through the system.
Noone else's hisec Capitals (mine wasn't plus one or two others in this thread) were affected so one assumes that this was down to a GM making a decision on the spot to some eejit's petition instead of a policy change by CCP.
This is not a case of special treatment, merely a mistake that has been put right.
For the 'Caps don't belong in Hisec crowd' Oh hi. Seeing as they can't engage in any form of remotely hostile activity (although I do miss the days of the Sobaseki Phoenix killing can flippers) I don't really understand the problem. Seeing as many empire mouthbreathers are unwilling to see hisec its the only chace a lot of people get to see a Cap ship. And yes they are unique in there own way. That doesn't mean that you will never own one, I was considering selling mine and I may get the urge again should my iskies run dry. Would you say the same thing about the Fedathron owner or the Impoc owner? Yes cap ships in lowsec and 0.0 exist but by being in Highsec that makes them unique, there are what, no more than a dozen. 4 Owners have posted in this thread. Get over yourselves. They do no harm to you and upset no delicate balance.
For the 'Mining in caps gives an unfair advantage'. You can pretty easily suicide gank proof yourself and 2.6 times the yield in a BS. LOL at the person who claimed that Chribba could help a friendly alliance by mining in a Suicide proof ship. You people are pathetic killjoys. We mine in caps for a reason and that reason is not profit.
Read that post by the GM.
If you petition to have it moved back it will be moved back. --- -The only real drug problem is scoring real good drugs |
Larkonis Trassler
Neo Spartans
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Posted - 2008.08.28 15:23:00 -
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Originally by: Shevar
Originally by: Larkonis Trassler I don't really see this as a community win. It appears that Chribba's dread was moved by some n00b GM on his first day/unaware of the rules. Chribba poasted here meanwhile I'm sure an escalation was ponderously making it's way through the system.
Noone else's hisec Capitals (mine wasn't plus one or two others in this thread) were affected so one assumes that this was down to a GM making a decision on the spot to some eejit's petition instead of a policy change by CCP.
This is not a case of special treatment, merely a mistake that has been put right.
For the 'Caps don't belong in Hisec crowd' Oh hi. Seeing as they can't engage in any form of remotely hostile activity (although I do miss the days of the Sobaseki Phoenix killing can flippers) I don't really understand the problem. Seeing as many empire mouthbreathers are unwilling to see hisec its the only chace a lot of people get to see a Cap ship. And yes they are unique in there own way. That doesn't mean that you will never own one, I was considering selling mine and I may get the urge again should my iskies run dry. Would you say the same thing about the Fedathron owner or the Impoc owner? Yes cap ships in lowsec and 0.0 exist but by being in Highsec that makes them unique, there are what, no more than a dozen. 4 Owners have posted in this thread. Get over yourselves. They do no harm to you and upset no delicate balance.
For the 'Mining in caps gives an unfair advantage'. You can pretty easily suicide gank proof yourself and 2.6 times the yield in a BS. LOL at the person who claimed that Chribba could help a friendly alliance by mining in a Suicide proof ship. You people are pathetic killjoys. We mine in caps for a reason and that reason is not profit.
Read that post by the GM.
If you petition to have it moved back it will be moved back.
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Noone else's hisec Capitals (mine wasn't plus one or two others in this thread) were affected
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Noone else's hisec Capitals (mine wasn't plus one or two others in this thread) were affected
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Noone else's hisec Capitals (mine wasn't plus one or two others in this thread) were affected
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Drunk Driver
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.08.28 15:32:00 -
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Dude, I want big giant text.
How do I get big giant text?
It's not fair if others have big giant text and I don't.
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Oli Robbo
Gallente Galactic Defence Syndicate Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.08.28 15:33:00 -
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Edited by: Oli Robbo on 28/08/2008 15:35:03 I havent been bothered to read all of the posts, but i know that he got his dread back and people are debating whether or no it's an 'unfair advantage' for him to mine with it...
To you specific guys who are insistant on posting to stop him from mining in it due to an 'unfair tank' i've noticed that you're not carebears, right?..well, neither am I, And i'm sure you enjoy watching other people's posted videos/screenshots of pvp battles etc on the forums, [as I do]...
The question you have to ask yourself is; who supports that site that the *majority* of those videos are hosted on ? Chribba.
And although I don't believe in 'one rule for one, another rule for another' I think you guys should actually sit down and think about how much this man does for the EVE community... [and you can't even say he's buying his way back through brown-nosing, as EVEfiles is completely seperate to CCP].
Live and let live.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2008.08.28 15:34:00 -
[1175]
Originally by: Drunk Driver
Dude, I want big giant text.
How do I get big giant text?
It's not fair if others have big giant text and I don't.
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5pinDizzy
Amarr Umpteenth Podding
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Posted - 2008.08.28 15:42:00 -
[1176]
Originally by: Oli Robbo
The question you have to ask yourself is; who supports that sight that the *majority* of those videos are hosted on ? Chribba.
Chribba owns youtube?
HOLY SHIT!
Just wondering though, by what logic to you come up with "If player has got/done website/help for community, player get's x ingame, just because..."
As I would like a Titan, but not willing to pay $5000 in GTC's to get one etc...
But if I come up with something, I dunno, christmas presents for the children of eve players or something, do I get popularised and have it pushed forth in my favour?
I'm not saying take Chribbas veldnaught out of Amarr, I'm saying I think your logic is flawed.
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Asuka SoryuLangley
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Posted - 2008.08.28 15:52:00 -
[1177]
Edited by: Asuka SoryuLangley on 28/08/2008 15:52:46
Originally by: GM Grimmi
3. You may not use your capital shipÆs attributes to gain any sort of advantage over other players while in high security space.
Mining in a capital ship while in high security space is a huge advantage.
Of course you will allow that, becouse Chribba do, and that is why you get them back: becouse Chribba cryied.
Shame.
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Midnight Firestarter
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Posted - 2008.08.28 15:53:00 -
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Edited by: Midnight Firestarter on 28/08/2008 15:54:44 Capitals in highsec = no ....
Rules are rules, no matter who you are or what support you have given the community doesn't justify a select few being treated differently from everyone else.
As far as I'm concerned it should have been long removed to low sec...
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Asuka SoryuLangley
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Posted - 2008.08.28 15:53:00 -
[1179]
Originally by: Midnight Firestarter Capitals in highsec = no ....
Rules are rules, no matter who you are or what support you have given the community doesn't justify a select few being treated differently from everyone else.
As far as I'm concerned you were lucky that it was this long before it was removed ...
Firestarter for president.
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Drunk Driver
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.08.28 15:54:00 -
[1180]
Originally by: Crumplecorn
Originally by: Drunk Driver
Dude, I want big giant text.
How do I get big giant text?
It's not fair if others have big giant text and I don't.
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Text can only be giant if it was made giant before giant text was disallowed. If this is the case and your text was downsized, you may petition to have it restored.
I've never had big giant text. I guess I'm out of luck.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2008.08.28 15:55:00 -
[1181]
It's amusing to see people so sore over not being 'special'. There are people with far more unfair advantages in the game which they got within the rules. But the rules are a good excuse to get someone who you see as 'better' than you taken down a peg, eh.
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Drunk Driver
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.08.28 16:06:00 -
[1182]
Originally by: Crumplecorn It's amusing to see people so sore over not being 'special'. There are people with far more unfair advantages in the game which they got within the rules. But the rules are a good excuse to get someone who you see as 'better' than you taken down a peg, eh.
WTS: Insecurity and tears.
So you're saying you have a lot of insecurity and tears you're trying to get rid of?
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Cygnus Zhada
Amarr Reckless Corsairs
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Posted - 2008.08.28 16:10:00 -
[1183]
Edited by: Cygnus Zhada on 28/08/2008 16:10:36
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Zen Guerrilla
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.08.28 16:45:00 -
[1184]
The amount of jelous people in this thread is just awesome.
So much fun to read.
----------------------------- Not an alt. And proud of it.
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Haldane IV
Einstein's Dreams
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Posted - 2008.08.28 16:53:00 -
[1185]
CCP certainly dropped the ball here, but Grimmi has recovered the fumble as far as I am concerned.
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Ecks Orion
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Posted - 2008.08.28 18:28:00 -
[1186]
Originally by: Asuka SoryuLangley Edited by: Asuka SoryuLangley on 28/08/2008 15:52:46
Originally by: GM Grimmi
3. You may not use your capital shipÆs attributes to gain any sort of advantage over other players while in high security space.
Mining in a capital ship while in high security space is a huge advantage.
Of course you will allow that, becouse Chribba do, and that is why you get them back: becouse Chribba cryied.
Shame.
No, it's not a huge advantage. Please explain how mining in a Cap in the Amarr system is an advantage.
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Kyra Felann
Gallente Noctis Fleet Technologies
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Posted - 2008.08.28 19:07:00 -
[1187]
I think rules should be enforced no matter what sort of "icon status" you or others think you have.
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Larkonis Trassler
Neo Spartans
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Posted - 2008.08.28 19:51:00 -
[1188]
Originally by: Kyra Felann I think rules should be enforced no matter what sort of "icon status" you or others think you have.
The point is that before yesterday there were no set rules merely guidelines. Now there are rules.
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Haradgrim
Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2008.08.28 20:12:00 -
[1189]
Originally by: Kyra Felann I think rules should be enforced no matter what sort of "icon status" you or others think you have.
This is not just about Chribba's icon status, the dozens of posts like this make me wonder how much the average player knows about EVE's history and the decisions and positions the dev's have previously taken. The fact that he is an icon just rallied a lot more people to his cause, it was a legitimate cause however. --
Originally by: CCP Oveur ...every forum whine feels like a baby pony is getting killed
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Cpt Branko
Surge.
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Posted - 2008.08.28 20:25:00 -
[1190]
Originally by: Kyra Felann I think rules should be enforced no matter what sort of "icon status" you or others think you have.
Before Grimmi posted there were no rules to be enforced. Now rules are there and they're being enforced. Well?
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Sodium Phosphate
Gallente Killer Koalas Kingdom of Butan
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Posted - 2008.08.28 20:26:00 -
[1191]
Originally by: Kyra Felann I think rules should be enforced no matter what sort of "icon status" you or others think you have.
Care to quote just those rules? And don't say that capital ships are not allowed in high sec, or werent allowed in high sec. You'll just prove yourself wrong. They clearly were and are, as long as they follow the previous guidelines and current rules.
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Highwind Cid
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Posted - 2008.08.28 20:33:00 -
[1192]
Forty(40) pages over a single character in a mining dreadnought. Wow, just wow.
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5pinDizzy
Amarr Umpteenth Podding
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Posted - 2008.08.28 20:40:00 -
[1193]
That's nothing Cid. If they still hadn't have given Chribba his Veldnaught back we'd be on about page 200 by now, and all posts would have degenerated into "ugh ugh, smash ccp".
I don't know about you but I've never had any of my reimbursement petitions answered in a matter of hours.
Did anyone work out whether or not he's still allowed to mine in it?
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Sodium Phosphate
Gallente Killer Koalas Kingdom of Butan
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Posted - 2008.08.28 21:04:00 -
[1194]
Originally by: 5pinDizzy That's nothing Cid. If they still hadn't have given Chribba his Veldnaught back we'd be on about page 200 by now, and all posts would have degenerated into "ugh ugh, smash ccp".
I don't know about you but I've never had any of my reimbursement petitions answered in a matter of hours.
Did anyone work out whether or not he's still allowed to mine in it?
He should be able to, I think... Not quite sure tho.
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Malcanis
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.08.28 21:05:00 -
[1195]
Originally by: Highwind Cid Forty(40) pages over a single character in a mining dreadnought. Wow, just wow.
Yeah, it's almost as if he is actually someone special in this game.
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Kyra Felann
Gallente Noctis Fleet Technologies
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Posted - 2008.08.29 03:27:00 -
[1196]
Ok, maybe not rules, but apparently it was decided to move high-sec capitals to low sec and it looks like the decision was reversed because it happened to someone who's popular (for good reason or not isn't the issue). If it'd happened to some unknown person, the original decision could have very well stood because there wouldn't have been a massive thread full of people complaining about it.
This reminds me of the change to clean up anchored cans that weren't touched for 30 days and the outcry over it because of a "cemetery" and other can spam that had become famous and/or popular. At least CCP stuck to their guns in that case.
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Ho HsienKo
Ammatar Free Corps
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Posted - 2008.08.29 04:13:00 -
[1197]
Originally by: Kyra Felann Ok, maybe not rules, but apparently it was decided to move high-sec capitals to low sec and it looks like the decision was reversed because it happened to someone who's popular (for good reason or not isn't the issue). If it'd happened to some unknown person, the original decision could have very well stood because there wouldn't have been a massive thread full of people complaining about it.
This reminds me of the change to clean up anchored cans that weren't touched for 30 days and the outcry over it because of a "cemetery" and other can spam that had become famous and/or popular. At least CCP stuck to their guns in that case.
Did you own Jenny Spitfire after the original and just before the present owner?
Just curious
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SSgt Sniper
Gallente MAIDS
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Posted - 2008.08.29 04:39:00 -
[1198]
Originally by: Haradgrim
Originally by: Kyra Felann I think rules should be enforced no matter what sort of "icon status" you or others think you have.
This is not just about Chribba's icon status, the dozens of posts like this make me wonder how much the average player knows about EVE's history and the decisions and positions the dev's have previously taken. The fact that he is an icon just rallied a lot more people to his cause, it was a legitimate cause however.
Less and less every day, to answer your question.
------- CEO of Maids. No I didn't pick the name. I've grown rather fond of it though.
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SSgt Sniper
Gallente MAIDS
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Posted - 2008.08.29 04:44:00 -
[1199]
Edited by: SSgt Sniper on 29/08/2008 04:45:44 Edited by: SSgt Sniper on 29/08/2008 04:44:42 Edited by: SSgt Sniper on 29/08/2008 04:44:04
Originally by: Kyra Felann Ok, maybe not rules, but apparently it was decided to move high-sec capitals to low sec and it looks like the decision was reversed because it happened to someone who's popular (for good reason or not isn't the issue). If it'd happened to some unknown person, the original decision could have very well stood because there wouldn't have been a massive thread full of people complaining about it.
This reminds me of the change to clean up anchored cans that weren't touched for 30 days and the outcry over it because of a "cemetery" and other can spam that had become famous and/or popular. At least CCP stuck to their guns in that case.
wait for it, wait for it....
Originally by: Larkonis Trassler No one else's hisec Capitals (including mine) were affected
wait for it.......
there you go. ------- CEO of Maids. No I didn't pick the name. I've grown rather fond of it though.
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Alaknor Dresden
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Posted - 2008.08.29 05:27:00 -
[1200]
Originally by: Midnight Firestarter Edited by: Midnight Firestarter on 28/08/2008 15:54:44 Capitals in highsec = no ....
Rules are rules, no matter who you are or what support you have given the community doesn't justify a select few being treated differently from everyone else.
As far as I'm concerned it should have been long removed to low sec...
Amen.
This.
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Digital Solaris
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Posted - 2008.08.29 06:08:00 -
[1201]
Originally by: Midnight Firestarter Edited by: Midnight Firestarter on 28/08/2008 15:54:44 Capitals in highsec = no ....
Rules are rules, no matter who you are or what support you have given the community doesn't justify a select few being treated differently from everyone else.
As far as I'm concerned it should have been long removed to low sec...
So, now that CCP has finally laid down the house rules for capitals in hi-sec, why are you whining or what are you whining over then? That Chribba got CCP to rethink the policy that originally allowed the manufactured capitals to remain in hi-sec as long as the player did not use his or hers capital ship for anything but harmless agendas, such as mining lo-grade ore and show off a big ship?
Much of the negativism ooze jealousy toward Chribba.
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Tortun Nahme
Minmatar Umbra Synergy Final Retribution Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.29 06:32:00 -
[1202]
Originally by: Joss Sparq
Originally by: Tortun Nahme
Originally by: Joss Sparq
Originally by: Tortun Nahme personally I'm very disappointed in thsi whole afrair, they mishandled the timetable/warning, but they compounded the folly by backpeddaling
So if someone does something which is perceived as wrong, they shouldn't make any amends for it? A ridiculous statement and a ridiculous sentiment in this case.
because a very small minority of players whined out loud enough for the jedi to hear it?
Well I expect it wouldn't be the first time CCP have chosen to listen to the concerns of their customers and it won't be the last time as I think we can safely assume they're interested in what members of the community have to say on a wide variety of issues - including sudden rules changes.
Originally by: Tortun Nahme CCP has legitimate reasons for doing exatly what they did, had they given proper notification of intention instead of just ninja'ing it, i would have no problem with their actions.
Whether or not you would have a problem with it is irrelevant to the decision because you're not the sum of everyone else who posted here in support of the pilots of Capital ships traditionally ensconced in high security space. Just as irrelevant is your next statement:
Originally by: Tortun Nahme However, the set a horrible precedent by even appearing to cave to any apparent favoritism by backpeddaling on this decision. There is no "legitimate" reason to allow "some" people to have cap ships in high sec while everyone else is forbidden.
Horrible precedent? This isn't a court room - though now it is just the "have not" crowd still whining about the "have" crowd (small as it may be) and by your logic it'd be Tech II BPO's for everybody and damn anyone who has a problem with it, eh?
I had a nice long dissection of your idiocy typed up but the forum ate it and I can't be arsed to retype it so I shall paraphrase. 1:less than .1% of the community whined, hardly a majority vote 2:whether "you" agreed with it or not is just as irrelevant as whether I did because you in no way represent anyone either 3:precedent has nothing to do with courtrooms, please, all ignorance should be deposited in the trash outside the door 4:Logical Fallacy at best, my position is far more likely to be "remove t2 bpo's" than "share them around" not sure how you made THAT leap but I'm more concerned that a jumper like you could have somehow been left out of the olympics. At any rate the situation concerning t2 bpo's and high sec cap ships are so vastly different that it isn't even remotely comparable, so please, I don't need words in my mouth 5:Has you alliance had any luck keeping cap ships anywhere?
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Cygnus Zhada
Amarr Reckless Corsairs
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Posted - 2008.08.29 14:15:00 -
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Edited by: Cygnus Zhada on 29/08/2008 14:16:17 You're missing a few points here (I'm not surprised).
there has been a long standing agreement with high sec cap owners going something like this "don't you DARE using your ship for actual combat or use it in any player interaction where your ships would provide you with an advantage". As such all the high sec caps dwelled around doing nothing... kinda, apart from looking cool and or doing the rediculous (mining).
Chribba (and ofcourse the others) is well aware of this and ofcourse makes it impossible to actually attack anyone by simply not fitting any guns or be lured into a situation where their cap might be compromised. They have been doing so for a long time.
Mind you, this wasn't a "we came back on our earlier rule and now feel that all caps should be removed from high sec". While that would suck tremendously, IF it were neccesary to pave the way for future content (the new small freighter, or mining ship or WHATEVER) THEN, whilst not being happy about it, we'd have to accept it and move on.
But that is not what happened, only 1 cap was moved without any form of interaction/dialoge with it's owner. That means that it either was a "personal attack" (in which case the GM department should be burned at the stake) OR a GM making a genuine decision because of a situation that had risen (ie, someone petitioned Chribba for unfair use of his cap).
But looking back at my second point you can be quite sure that Chribba did NOT make unfair use of his cap because he hasn't done so in the past and isn't completely stupid (just a tiny bit :P). Moreso, you would guess that preceeding such a big decision the GM would contact the owner for questioning, or AT LEAST informing him of the petition and the possible implication. In this case, both regarding the epicness of a cap in highsec AND the fact that it's Chribba (yes, I went there) warrants dialoge before action.
So, it was either done because of spite or done by someone who has no actual ties with EVE and thus not understands the situation and/or consequences of his decision.
official CCP response (which only took 20+ pages) is that "uhm well errr, the rules weren't quite clear on this so uhm... errr... "someone" made hasty decision, but this is how it's going to be from now on". This is ofcourse bullshit because that had been the unofical rule already. The fact that it's now moved BACK into high sec proves that Chribba never actually violated those rules in the first place and the moving was uncalled for.
Anything else is just spamming, people being their usual uninformed self or not-haves trying to ruin things for the haves, because jealousy is a strong motivator.
All in all it was a dumb move (pun itended).
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Smokie McLottapot
Caldari Keepers Of The Gate
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Posted - 2008.09.01 07:30:00 -
[1204]
Capitals don't belong in high-sec. Remove them all. I want a gm friend I can cry to when something I like gets nerfed too!!!!!!!!!!
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Jack Redrat
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Posted - 2008.09.01 07:57:00 -
[1205]
chribba will still be our eve-online icon... find some safe 0.0 space and mine the roids |
Sheriff Jones
Amarr Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2008.09.01 08:05:00 -
[1206]
Originally by: Cygnus Zhada official CCP response (which only took 20+ pages) is that "uhm well errr, the rules weren't quite clear on this so uhm... errr... "someone" made hasty decision, but this is how it's going to be from now on". This is ofcourse bullshit because that had been the unofical rule already. The fact that it's now moved BACK into high sec proves that Chribba never actually violated those rules in the first place and the moving was uncalled for.
Actually facts are A: No err umm in the post, was very clear. B: that it was a mistake by undefined rules(even if they were defined in theory) C: Timely mannered answer as the devs probably have to work to fix things everyone whines about. |
Verx Interis
Amarr Aurora Security Cosmic Anomalies
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Posted - 2008.09.01 08:51:00 -
[1207]
Veldanaught mining is not an advantage
A Hulk mines way more than the Veldanaught, and easily tanks any hisec rats.
An itty V can afk mine for WAAAAYYY longer than the Veldanaught.
The only real thing is the difficulty in suicide ganking, but seeing as Chribba will never get another one if he loses the current one, I think it's fair. You can buy Hulks in hisec. Besides, he's in a 1.0 system. It's hard to suicide gank pretty much anything there. |
Durzel
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.09.01 10:45:00 -
[1208]
Edited by: Durzel on 01/09/2008 10:46:03 As a side note - surely someone of Chribbas standing in the community could mine in 0.0 relatively unscathed anyway couldn't he? Obviously couldn't take the Veldnaught there but could always buy another one for low/null sec. Probably famous enough to get a personal CDS (Chribba Dont Shoot) policy applied?
I was always under the impression that low/null-sec mining was significantly more profitable regardless of ship size? |
Ashlee Darksky
Minmatar Forum Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.09.01 12:33:00 -
[1209]
WOOT! Justice is done! Thanks Chribba, thanks GM team! |
5pinDizzy
Amarr Umpteenth Podding
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Posted - 2008.09.01 12:55:00 -
[1210]
Chribba will never be suicided, it's almost impossible.
It would take a stupid amount of battleships, you'd need double the amount due to the double concord response times, and you'd need around 3 or 4 times what you'd use for a freighter due to the dreadnaught armor. Also due to the new cap/neut/nos ability use non cap weapons I think. And because it's 1.0 sec, triple the amount of bs's you take again compared to 0.5.
I think you'd be looking at something like 260 Maelstroms to make a serious attempt. I've been in a fleet of 70 that took 6 seconds just to kill a marauder, which is just not quick enough had it been empire.
Its pretty damn funny to me though how CCP in principle won't make an area a safe zone cause everyone shouts WoW! but they'll make it anything but... They'll edge right up to the edge of the line but they won't cross it.
Why don't they end the pretence, come out of the closet and make the highsec a safezone? Don't give me the crap about it's just harder, it is a safezone. |
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SentryRaven
Sentry Security
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Posted - 2008.09.01 13:03:00 -
[1211]
Originally by: 5pinDizzy
It would take a stupid amount of battleships,
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I think you'd be looking at something like 260 Maelstroms to make a serious attempt.
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Don't give me the crap about it's just harder, it is a safezone.
It's not a safezone.... it's really just a damn lot harder than the average gank. :) |
5pinDizzy
Amarr Umpteenth Podding
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Posted - 2008.09.01 13:22:00 -
[1212]
You wouldn't be able to control anything with that many ships, you'd all lag out. Therefore - safe. |
Taradis
Amarr The Imperial Assassins Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2008.09.02 08:59:00 -
[1213]
W00T!!!!! VICTORY!!!!!!!!!!! yay fer Chribba
Welcome back the veldnaught |
Taradis
Amarr The Imperial Assassins Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2008.09.02 09:03:00 -
[1214]
Originally by: Asuka SoryuLangley Edited by: Asuka SoryuLangley on 28/08/2008 15:52:46
Originally by: GM Grimmi
3. You may not use your capital shipÆs attributes to gain any sort of advantage over other players while in high security space.
Mining in a capital ship while in high security space is a huge advantage.
Of course you will allow that, becouse Chribba do, and that is why you get them back: becouse Chribba cryied.
Shame.
Ur are a ****ing moron and should be KOS to all of eve. Chribba has a huge part in Eve as a whole hosts a website free of charge and here u are *****ing about having the veldnaught in hi-sec what part of he built the ****er in hi-sec and should remain in hi-sec in a non combat role do u not understand why don't u just STFU |
Taradis
Amarr The Imperial Assassins Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2008.09.02 09:04:00 -
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Originally by: Smokie McLottapot Capitals don't belong in high-sec. Remove them all. I want a gm friend I can cry to when something I like gets nerfed too!!!!!!!!!!
So does this mean Chribba is actully a BOB alt?
No it means ur a ****ing moron Chribba has been around for yrs in hi-sec with his uber sexy roid destroying machine. Go smoke urself sober |
Vikarion
Caldari BLACK 0RIGIN Red Dawn Alliance
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Posted - 2008.09.02 09:05:00 -
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Dude. Thread is dead. Kaput. Finis. Let it rest in peace. |
ShardowRhino
Caldari Legion 0f The Damned
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Posted - 2008.09.02 11:56:00 -
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Originally by: Vikarion Dude. Thread is dead. Kaput. Finis. Let it rest in peace.
ahahah, taradis didn't feel he got enough time to pole jockey to win his hero's favor. |
Sylvie Giovanni
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Posted - 2008.09.02 15:09:00 -
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Edited by: Sylvie Giovanni on 02/09/2008 15:12:04 I'm neutral and looking in from the outside on this, as I'm fairly new, and I have to say that one rule for people that have been playing a long time and one rule for everyone else is not a good thing... If people that have stuff already in high security space are allowed to keep it, others should be allowed to bring too. That would only be fair, and it would probably stop a lot of the conflict over some people being more equal than others. Someone mentioned that disagreeing with the decision indicates jealousy, I don't think that is necessarily so, I don't know where I would even get one :) But I think it's a terrible precedent to set, and that anyone should be allowed to bring their stuff in by the GMs if others are.
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Sylvie Giovanni
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Posted - 2008.09.02 19:28:00 -
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I thought this topic had been deleted, but no pages just fall behind reallyreally fast here
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2008.09.02 19:33:00 -
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As this thread has been worked over, CCP has posted etc. Mods please lock it.
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