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Schalac
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Posted - 2008.08.27 17:47:00 -
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SO let me get this straight. People are mad that they are no longer going to be allowed to keep their capital ships in high sec space. WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA. I say good. Capitals are not historic icons. No one cares about seeing them and saying "oh nice ship" and they added no value to the game what so ever. They are tools of war and to keep them hidden away in high sec is useless.
And how is putting a capital ship where it can actually be used a nerf???
People have also payed billions for low sec caps and 0.0 caps, is that a shame for them as well? This thread makes no sense what so ever and I for one am glad that people that have high sec caps will now have to risk them in low sec if they want to fly them.
Or you can always sell them to me for a few hundred million since in your eyes they are now "plain useless"
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Posted - 2008.08.27 18:15:00 -
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Originally by: JoDan Troikian In closing, CCP restore the caps that ALREADY existed in hisec, as you had a "gentleman's" agreement with these players, and they did indeed enrich many young players experience, not just mine.
How about no. What is the point of a veldspar mining dread? Other than the fact that it has a tank that would take many many BSs to suicide it? They are right, no exceptions should be made. If you want to fly a cap ship then do it in low sec where you can actually use the thing for what it's purpose is. |
Schalac
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Posted - 2008.08.27 18:36:00 -
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Originally by: Zomiaen
Originally by: Schalac
Originally by: JoDan Troikian In closing, CCP restore the caps that ALREADY existed in hisec, as you had a "gentleman's" agreement with these players, and they did indeed enrich many young players experience, not just mine.
How about no. What is the point of a veldspar mining dread? Other than the fact that it has a tank that would take many many BSs to suicide it? They are right, no exceptions should be made. If you want to fly a cap ship then do it in low sec where you can actually use the thing for what it's purpose is.
You have no idea about the history of the Veldnought and the other capitals? Chribba built the thing there before CCP changed that, and never bothered to move it, instead using it to show anyone who wanted to see it (and of course, mining veldspar). What's the point of a veldspar mining dread? Why not? It's a piece of EVE history now, and since other high-sec capitals haven't been moved, there is no reason for it to have been, or for any of the others to be moved.
They are like museum pieces, for example, if you've ever been to New York or heard of it, the USS Intrepid. Part of the Intrepid Sea, Air & Space Museum. The ship wasn't meant to be used as a museum, but yet it is. Think of the Veldnought as the same, and there you have it.
Nor do I care about the history of it.
Also the USS intrepid severed its time in war. What has the veldnought done besides mined ore in an almost completely safe from suicide ganks platform?
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Schalac
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Posted - 2008.08.27 18:53:00 -
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Originally by: JoDan Troikian
Originally by: Schalac
Originally by: Zomiaen
Originally by: Schalac
Originally by: JoDan Troikian In closing, CCP restore the caps that ALREADY existed in hisec, as you had a "gentleman's" agreement with these players, and they did indeed enrich many young players experience, not just mine.
How about no. What is the point of a veldspar mining dread? Other than the fact that it has a tank that would take many many BSs to suicide it? They are right, no exceptions should be made. If you want to fly a cap ship then do it in low sec where you can actually use the thing for what it's purpose is.
You have no idea about the history of the Veldnought and the other capitals? Chribba built the thing there before CCP changed that, and never bothered to move it, instead using it to show anyone who wanted to see it (and of course, mining veldspar). What's the point of a veldspar mining dread? Why not? It's a piece of EVE history now, and since other high-sec capitals haven't been moved, there is no reason for it to have been, or for any of the others to be moved.
They are like museum pieces, for example, if you've ever been to New York or heard of it, the USS Intrepid. Part of the Intrepid Sea, Air & Space Museum. The ship wasn't meant to be used as a museum, but yet it is. Think of the Veldnought as the same, and there you have it.
Nor do I care about the history of it.
Also the USS intrepid severed its time in war. What has the veldnought done besides mined ore in an almost completely safe from suicide ganks platform?
You are a shining example of fail sir. Go back to WoW or whatever Runescape-esque cesspool that you came from. A few of us actually care about this game, and from the amount of posts here, I would say you have again, missed the point. It has no bearing that it is Chribba. It has everything to do with what was Already in place, and it carrys a certain value with the playerbase. Troll elsewhere.
So I'm a WOW fanboy now because I don't care about some guy that mines in a dread? I'll tell you what is truly fail. Using a frackin dread to mine veldspar. That is the very definition of fail. In high sec no less. "Oh look at the dread OOOOH AHHHH OOOOOOOOH..." Really.
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Schalac
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Posted - 2008.08.27 19:56:00 -
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Originally by: GM Grimmi Greetings everyone,
About those capital ships in high secà
First, IÆd like to apologize for this whole debacle. The simple truth is that our policies on capitals in high sec were not all that clear internally as well as officially. In hindsight, we should have given the matter more thought and discussion before acting, a valuable lesson to learn and weÆll remember it in the future. The general idea was that no capitals should be allowed in high sec and then we had some vague un-official guidelines on ships built before changes and whatnot. Those rules were never really actually set in stone and hence the situation we face now.
This is an excellent opportunity to change all that. We have therefore decided to set the following rules for capitals in high sec:
1. Capital ships may under no circumstances be used for aggression.
2. If at war, or with war declaration pending, you may not take your capital ship out of station.
3. You may not use your capital shipÆs attributes to gain any sort of advantage over other players while in high security space.
4. Breach any of the above and receive 2 weeks ban and off to low sec with your capital.
Along with those brand new actual rules, we will move ChribbaÆs Veldnaught back to Amarr, and will also move any other capital ship, by request, that was built in high sec before these changes were introduced. Anyone who had a viable high sec capital moved and wants it back should petition and we will take care of it as soon as possible.
With actual official rules on capitals in high sec, we should be able to make things work without further issues. We will be diligent about enforcing the new rules and anyone found in breach of them will have the offending capital ship moved out of high sec without advance notice, reversal or reimbursement. A two-week ban will also be imposed on the owner.
Thank you for your feedback, patience and understanding.
GM Grimmi Lead Game Master
So by these rules you are allowed to have a cap in high sec space but you can't do anything in it except sit outside of station with it. That means no ratting/mining/missioning. So please tell me what is the point of having a cap ship in high sec again?
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Schalac
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Posted - 2008.08.27 19:57:00 -
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Originally by: Chribba
Originally by: GM Grimmi Greetings everyone,
About those capital ships in high secà
First, IÆd like to apologize for this whole debacle. The simple truth is that our policies on capitals in high sec were not all that clear internally as well as officially. In hindsight, we should have given the matter more thought and discussion before acting, a valuable lesson to learn and weÆll remember it in the future. The general idea was that no capitals should be allowed in high sec and then we had some vague un-official guidelines on ships built before changes and whatnot. Those rules were never really actually set in stone and hence the situation we face now.
This is an excellent opportunity to change all that. We have therefore decided to set the following rules for capitals in high sec:
1. Capital ships may under no circumstances be used for aggression.
2. If at war, or with war declaration pending, you may not take your capital ship out of station.
3. You may not use your capital shipÆs attributes to gain any sort of advantage over other players while in high security space.
4. Breach any of the above and receive 2 weeks ban and off to low sec with your capital.
Along with those brand new actual rules, we will move ChribbaÆs Veldnaught back to Amarr, and will also move any other capital ship, by request, that was built in high sec before these changes were introduced. Anyone who had a viable high sec capital moved and wants it back should petition and we will take care of it as soon as possible.
With actual official rules on capitals in high sec, we should be able to make things work without further issues. We will be diligent about enforcing the new rules and anyone found in breach of them will have the offending capital ship moved out of high sec without advance notice, reversal or reimbursement. A two-week ban will also be imposed on the owner.
Thank you for your feedback, patience and understanding.
GM Grimmi Lead Game Master
Thank you, and good to have the guidelines set straight.
Then the question from me about "You may not use your capital shipÆs attributes to gain any sort of advantage over other players while in high security space.":
Is mining in said ship, such an advantage? Basicly, am I allowed to mine in it or not?
/c
Nope. Because you gain an unfair advantage over other miners as to the fact that your tank far surpasses anything else that can be ganked in high sec while mining.
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Schalac
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Posted - 2008.08.27 20:01:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Schalac
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Nope. Because you gain an unfair advantage over other miners as to the fact that your tank far surpasses anything else that can be ganked in high sec while mining.
talk about petty
What's petty about it? They could basically mine all day long and unless you bring an entire fleet of BSs to gank it they will never be brought down. Do other miners have this option? The answer is no so there is using it's attributes to gain an unfair advantage over other people.
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Schalac
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Posted - 2008.08.27 20:07:00 -
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Originally by: baltec1
Originally by: Schalac
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Schalac
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Nope. Because you gain an unfair advantage over other miners as to the fact that your tank far surpasses anything else that can be ganked in high sec while mining.
talk about petty
What's petty about it? They could basically mine all day long and unless you bring an entire fleet of BSs to gank it they will never be brought down. Do other miners have this option? The answer is no so there is using it's attributes to gain an unfair advantage over other people.
You do know that a battlecruiser can extract more ore than the veldnought right?
The veldnought is a novelty ship, like the imperial issue apoc. Does any battlecruiser have the cargo space that a dread has? Does any Battlecruiser have the tank that the dread has?
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Schalac
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Posted - 2008.08.27 20:15:00 -
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Originally by: Anti Protagonist
Originally by: Kage Getsu
Originally by: Anti Protagonist
Sounds like bait for a griefing petition really. And you've posted your intentions here for a nice record.
As far as what corp I'm in... Assume all you want. The whole "don't judge a book by it's cover" thing.
Can we institute an age requirement for this game to keep the immature children out?
What a world we live in where people think that declaring war is griefing.
Declaring war with the sole purpose of keeping him from undocking his cap ship is griefing if you ask me. Of course, children will be children.
So not only does he force CCPs hand with his notoriety, but also gets protection from war decs?
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Schalac
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Posted - 2008.08.27 20:17:00 -
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Originally by: Falcon Troy Edited by: Falcon Troy on 27/08/2008 20:15:19
To all you idiots out there calling that Chribba's Veldnaught is an exploit because he's 'ungankable,' shut the **** up. It is gankable, albeit you might have to risk more of YOUR ISK to bring it down. I suppose if I deadspace tank a battleship and use it to mine forcing you to bring in multiple battleships then I'd be using an exploit as well? Get real and quit being jealous. The stupid ****s that post here...they amaze me so.
Since Chribba got his Veldnaught simply due to unusual circumstance instead of an actual exploit or glitch I suppose we should be taking action against those with unique ships as well. It's quite unfair that I did not receive one or even had the chance to try.
As could I, or someone else.
How many other people though can bring a dread into highsec and use it to mine? Oh what's that, no one that doesn't already have one.
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Schalac
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Posted - 2008.08.27 20:26:00 -
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Originally by: silent Serena
You are aware that you can fit a commandship for 600 k effective hitpoints?
Yes and everything that EFT says is how it works out in the game. . .
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Schalac
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Posted - 2008.08.27 20:32:00 -
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Originally by: silent Serena
Originally by: Schalac
Originally by: silent Serena
You are aware that you can fit a commandship for 600 k effective hitpoints?
Yes and everything that EFT says is how it works out in the game. . .
Difference between you and me, I can afford it. Oh and regarding EFT, I do have commandships V and all the skills needed to make my EFT fit work. As a mather of fact I fly a very similar setup, Else i fitted dual reps instead and t2 aux nano pumps to rep more effecient..
And what happens to your fit if someone gets a few large neuts on it? Must be one hell of a passive rep to get 600k effective with no power. . .
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Schalac
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Posted - 2008.08.27 21:05:00 -
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Originally by: d'hofren
Originally by: Schalac
Originally by: Falcon Troy Edited by: Falcon Troy on 27/08/2008 20:15:19
To all you idiots out there calling that Chribba's Veldnaught is an exploit because he's 'ungankable,' shut the **** up. It is gankable, albeit you might have to risk more of YOUR ISK to bring it down. I suppose if I deadspace tank a battleship and use it to mine forcing you to bring in multiple battleships then I'd be using an exploit as well? Get real and quit being jealous. The stupid ****s that post here...they amaze me so.
Since Chribba got his Veldnaught simply due to unusual circumstance instead of an actual exploit or glitch I suppose we should be taking action against those with unique ships as well. It's quite unfair that I did not receive one or even had the chance to try.
As could I, or someone else.
How many other people though can bring a dread into highsec and use it to mine? Oh what's that, no one that doesn't already have one.
You are being silly now:
A Dread is a subpar mining ship. Most Battleships and dedicated miners will out mine it.
A Dread isn't a super tanker. I could rig a fair few battleships to tank pretty damn well. Maybe well enough to resist a few BS ships until concord turns up. Dreads and carriers die to smallish battleship gank squads everyday. The veldnaught isn't a win button.
Really, you are just being petty and your arguments are horrendously flawed not to mention being embarrasingly self centered.
Yes they do die everyday to small groups...that have the time to wear them down because those dreads and carriers aren't in highsec .9 where you would need lots and lots of BSs if you want to successfully gank it. Honestly I feel that if you want to have a capital ship it should be confined to the place that it was made for. High sec is not that place.
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Schalac
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Posted - 2008.08.27 21:16:00 -
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Originally by: Falcon Troy Edited by: Falcon Troy on 27/08/2008 21:07:25
Originally by: Hegbard The most amusing thing that while this thread contains a blatant violation of forum rules by Chribba, the only thing CCP did was to bend over for him and beg for mercy. The other thread discussing this matter was locked.
Mmmm. no favourites. At all.
Everyone is treated equally.
Um...Chribba deserves to be treated better than the average player. He actually gives back to the community. GTFO.
So because someone likes a product and decides to do something to help themselves out first and then lets the rest of the community that uses said product see what they made. That company should show favoritism towards them and not the rest of us? Chribba deserves no more advantage than anyone else that plays this game month after month and anyone who feels they do is misguided. While it is nice that some people put work into making things that help players out, they are still costumers of CCP and all should be treated equally.
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Posted - 2008.08.27 21:33:00 -
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Originally by: SencneS I can outmine Chribba's veldnought in an Ospray. And while in 0.9 that same Ospray can tank the rats with it's passive shield regen rate. According to EFT Veldnought with Max skills and rigged and implanted to mine can only get 894m3 a minute. Osprey gets, 964m3 same setup.
I don't see a problem with using the Veldnought for mining.
You also need to jettison your cargo into space so you need someone there to pick it up or make multiple trips back and forth to station greatly reducing the amount of ore you can bring in every minute. An osprey can fall victim to suicide ganks of 2 other cruisers. A dread would laugh as it's shields don't even move for that. Basically a dread is an AFK miner that has very little chance of ever being suicided due to the large amount ships and planning need to do so. That is an unfair advantage. Case point rules broken move the cap to low sec.
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Posted - 2008.08.27 21:52:00 -
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Originally by: 5pinDizzy I wonder what would happen just supposing.
Despite being ridiculously difficult in action and in response. What if some group somehow managed to blow up Chribbas dreadnought?
Do you reckon we'd get a ridiculous thread like this again till he was given another one in Amarr? Cause I'm sorta thinking... yes.
Let's get a 100 man BS fleet together and blow it off the face of the universe and find out.
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Posted - 2008.08.27 22:37:00 -
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Originally by: Etho Demerzel
Three was a backtracking from a poor decision probably made by someone who shouldn't have done it in the first place without having at least some sort of internal consensus.
So, quit the melodrama, drama queen.
How do we know this? How do you know if it actually wasn't discussed and the consensus was to go ahead and do it. Then the forums blew up and CCPs spine turned to mush and they retracted it.
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Schalac
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Posted - 2008.08.27 22:49:00 -
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Originally by: baltec1
Originally by: 5pinDizzy Edited by: 5pinDizzy on 27/08/2008 22:46:26 Point 2 was unfair, indeed I'll withdraw it.
but
Do you expect me to believe supposedely new GM acting on their own accord removed every single capital ship in highsec to lowsec without no consulting or discussion with other staff?
yeah right...
No just the veldnought.
All other high sec caps were not moved.
And again how do you know this? Did every single person with a high sec cap login today to check and see and then post? I doubt it.
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Schalac
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Posted - 2008.08.28 02:33:00 -
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Originally by: Djens About whining, CCP in my oppinion didn't cave in to whines, they let common sense rule, really it's that simple. As for people wanting their dual mwd ravens back or cruise-Kestrels, sure go on and whine but it wont change the fact that the whine is out of porportions unjustified. Quite the opposite of this matter.
So, what then did they do? CHRIBBA has a capital ship in high sec. CCP said hey lets finally get all of the cap ships that are in high sec out of there and not let any more in. CHRIBBA went ape shit on the forums about how EVE is now dead and all of his lackeys turned it into a 30+ page post about how unfair it is that a ship that doesn't belong in high sec was removed from it. CCP caved in and then made up new "rules" on the spot and reversed the action they just took. That looks an awful lot like caving to me and it is not common sense, common sense would be the community saying,"well no one else is allowed to have cap ships in high sec so why should he" and supported CCP for removing it.
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Posted - 2008.08.28 03:17:00 -
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Originally by: Djens
Originally by: Schalac
Originally by: Djens About whining, CCP in my oppinion didn't cave in to whines, they let common sense rule, really it's that simple. As for people wanting their dual mwd ravens back or cruise-Kestrels, sure go on and whine but it wont change the fact that the whine is out of porportions unjustified. Quite the opposite of this matter.
So, what then did they do? CHRIBBA has a capital ship in high sec. CCP said hey lets finally get all of the cap ships that are in high sec out of there and not let any more in. CHRIBBA went ape shit on the forums about how EVE is now dead and all of his lackeys turned it into a 30+ page post about how unfair it is that a ship that doesn't belong in high sec was removed from it. CCP caved in and then made up new "rules" on the spot and reversed the action they just took. That looks an awful lot like caving to me and it is not common sense, common sense would be the community saying,"well no one else is allowed to have cap ships in high sec so why should he" and supported CCP for removing it.
Common sense to me is not about being all out rational about what is fair and what is not. It's about knowing when an exception should be made. CCP made a poor decision NOT when bringing it back but when removing it. And for the record I don't care for who ever has the caps be it you or Chribba or anyone else for that matter.
So what about you, do you always prefer equality/fairness over uniqueness? If not what is your take on this one? It's not like the Veldnaught are threatening anyone (except asteroids maybe)
I always prefer equality and fairness in video games. There are few things that I despise. First is rules applied to some and not others. Second is hackers/cheaters. Parrots that follow people around and hang on their every word like it is the word of god. Last is people that feel that because they have more levels/money/bigger guild or corp, they are "1337" and everyone should bow down to them and do everything they say because they have those things.
Can anyone here honestly say though that if anyone else made this thread it would of been looked at the same way? I truly believe if I was in CHRIBBAS shoes and made a post I would not have a capital ship back in my high sec hanger right now.
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Schalac
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Posted - 2008.08.28 04:26:00 -
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Originally by: Kuolematon So NERD RAGE ended? Good. Now lets go back playing WoW. I need to ding 70 with my druid before WotLK hits.
Didn't that already come out?
Oh and did you guys hear FFXI is getting a new update where you can reduce your level to party up with your lower level friends.
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Posted - 2008.08.28 07:04:00 -
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Originally by: Semkhet Still keeping this bubbling septic tank which serves you as brain going on ?
Thank you I love compliments.
Quote: - There is no asymmetric enforcement of rules. You could have been part of the pool had you enjoyed ownership of a high-sec located cap prior to the introduction of the new high-sec cap constraint rules. That you didn't is nobody's fault but yourself.
And what exactly would I do with this high sec cap? If I ever feel like flying a cap ship I'll do it where I can actually use the ship for it's purpose. Not some goofy "look at me I have a dread in high sec" mining op.
Quote: - What have hackers/cheaters to do with anything related to this thread ?
Those are people I don't like, maybe reading comprehension isn't turned on in that septic tank of a brain you have.
Quote: - Players are entitled to their opinion, whatever it is. I'm not ridiculing you because you have an opinion, but because you're spitting crappola on steroids, as simple as that.
I do it damn well too.
Quote: - The ingame achievements of the players who support Chribba have nothing to do with their opinion. You'll find in this thread from players having been able to buy supercaps through Chribba up to noobs who are tankful just for having been provided with the opportunity to actually see a dread.
And? I realize this fact, it has no bearing on the fact that caps don't belong in high sec whatever the reason.
Quote: - You still fail to comprehend that one of the reasons of the uproar has been the perceived lack of consultation and/or due announcement from CCP prior to taking a decision, along with the intrinsic nonsense of said decision.
Um.. unless I'm mistaken CCP can do whatever they want to with this game, they could shut it down tomorrow without any reason if they so choose. See it's a little thing I like to call the EULA, it basically gives CCP free reign to do whatever they want without rhyme or reason.
Quote: - And finally, you'll have the right to compare yourself to Chribba the day you have provided during years services and bandwith to the EvE community at your sole RL expenses. That's why Chribba IS Chribba, and you, well, you're Mr. Nobody
I like being a nobody, because no one expects you to do anything when you're a nobody. But it is not CCPs fault that he did those things. He did them on his own accord and I salute him for it. It does not mean he should get special treatment from CCP for said acts of kindness though. He is after all still a PLAYER in the game and to provide advantage to him because of what he does with his spare time is what my post was against and how I feel it should be.
Remember when people were all up in arms about the fact that BoB might have an advantage because of possible CCP involvement where they shouldn't of been afforded such advantages... Every player is equal, and should be treated as such.
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Posted - 2008.08.28 07:42:00 -
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Originally by: The Tzar I think by the numbers of shocked responses to this thread, the Veldnaught should be reinstated and the original whiners nerfed to oblivion.
So bored of whiners getting their way..., this will ruin the game more than anything else.
Take note of this warning GM's and DEV's.
The original whiner in this thread was Chribba...
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Posted - 2008.08.28 07:54:00 -
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Originally by: Colonel Apocalypse Victory !
I vote for this guy to be a CSM. Would give meaning to my corp name...other than it's true meaning.
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Posted - 2008.08.28 08:37:00 -
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Originally by: Semkhet So why are you posting in this thread ? From one side you criticize the concept because of "unfair mining", when an Osprey could achieve better efficiency. Then you scream against the tank, when you couldn't gank an all-out pimped BS either. Then you refer to the cargo capacity, conveniently forgetting that this ship is located in a 1.0 sec system where belts disappear faster than the speed you can maneuver this damn dread to start with.
I never retracted any of my concerns and if you add them up they equate to an advantage as described by the new RULE #3...
Quote: Well, reading comprehension implies addressing the matter at hand. I doubt anybody is interested in your hate & love list.
And that was a direct answer to a question posed in the thread therefore was very relevant and I answered directly.
Quote: And CCP is a money making venture, which implies that short of any suicidal behavior, they better care about what their paying customer base think. Besides, the EULA you refer to has a volatile validity according to the laws governing the specific location of each individual paying customer. The fact that state-enacted laws superceed whatever BS a commercial company comes with seems unknown to you...
And what laws are you talking about that would of supersede CCP moving Chribbas dread into low sec?
Quote: You should get a reality check. If my actions contribute to the well being of an entity, it is logical that said entity will react in kind in the way it considers appropriate. That's what you witnessed here, both from the majority of posters and CCP.
Did you ever thought one second about the money that Chribba allowed CCP to save for years (by providing services, bandwith, and cutting down web development costs), and the promotion of EvE (which directly translates into tangible additional income for CCP ?) Did you ever thought about the amount of transactions within EvE that have only be made possible thanks to Chribba as reliable intermediary ?
So Chribba hosted the game on his own servers in the past??? The amount of transactions within EVE??? Are you serious or are you pulling my leg? Look no one is saying that Chribba is this evil entity because he has a dread in high sec. I'm just saying that there is no reason for it and CCP did something to remove it which was right all things considered. It serves no purpose being there. Not one thing about it being in Amarr helps the game at all. It does give him a hell of a tank to mine in though. Oh there is that rule #3 again...
Quote: The guy isn't an ego addict. He's most of the time silent on forums, takes no public high-profile role within ingame politics, and rather works quietly behind the scene to provide and maintain a range of services he's paying for from his own pocket for the only bipartisan sake of EvE's community.
Then why did he post here instead of dealing with it through petitions the way it should of been handled....DING DING DING we have a winner, BECAUSE HE KNEW PEOPLE ON THE FORUMS WOULD SUPPORT WHATEVER HE SAID AND GET IT CHANGED. Look, I'm not a complete babbling buffoon. I know how things work. Chribba totally played you saps on the forums because he knows he has a fan base.
Quote: And it's not very appropriate of you to refer to that BPO incident either, which was purely limited to an episode of favoritism between individuals. Anyone who has the smallest clue about the wealth, power and situation of BOB knows that this unfortunate event didn't change a iota about what BOB could or not do.
Who said it did? I was just pointing out other instances of CCP showing favoritism over the general masses because our money doesn't mean as much as theirs. In an MMO that the devs, GMs or anyone else tied to them in general show favoritism to any sect of player regardless of past or future endeavors they may or may not make is bad business. That is the way I feel and I won't change it.
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