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Traidor Disloyal
I Am Not A Lawyer
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Posted - 2008.08.27 14:50:00 -
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Originally by: N1fty Anyway, to sum up: Bring back the Veldnaught!
If his was the only one in High Sec then sure. If his wasn't, and they don't bring the others back also, then his can stay out in low sec with the rest of em. Aint nobody special in this damn game no mater how many tattoos you got on you. |
Asestorian
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.08.27 14:51:00 -
[542]
Pretty much what Sakura Nihil said.
CCP need to try and retain some of what made them so special in the first place. They need to go back to posting regular dev blogs detailing their plans and ideas; they need to be honest about things that go wrong; they need to appear that they actually still give a damn.
Is that really so hard, CCP? |
Tierie
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.08.27 14:52:00 -
[543]
Have any other high sec capitals been removed, or just Chribba's? Could be a mistake by a GM. |
TehHouse
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Posted - 2008.08.27 14:52:00 -
[544]
Originally by: Traidor Disloyal
Originally by: N1fty Anyway, to sum up: Bring back the Veldnaught!
If his was the only one in High Sec then sure. If his wasn't, and they don't bring the others back also, then his can stay out in low sec with the rest of em. Aint nobody special in this damn game no mater how many tattoos you got on you.
There were some other ones; his was just the most well-known.
Seriously, is CCP just trying to **** people off today? |
Shanur
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.08.27 14:52:00 -
[545]
The fact that this nerf directly hurt EVE's most famous player aside, this was a blunder for a very simple reason:
This change made an awful lot of otherwise very moderate players mad, and so far there has not been a single explanation from CCP as to how the game benefits from this decission. They did something unpopular which to the naked eye appears utterly pointless and are not bothering explaining why. This above all is what is causing the rage in this thread. CCP kicked a sensitive spot without as much as a "whoops! sorry!".
Even if you don't care about Chribba or the landmark value of the high sec dreads, the fact that they did something unpopular without obvious reason or explaining why should be enough cause to upset any player. It shows a blatant lack of disrespect.
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Scagga Laebetrovo
Ammatar Free Corps
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Posted - 2008.08.27 14:52:00 -
[546]
Edited by: Scagga Laebetrovo on 27/08/2008 14:53:10 Edited by: Scagga Laebetrovo on 27/08/2008 14:52:50
Originally by: Sakura Nihil This is about trying to get new players into the game through expansions like Ambulation or FW rather than retaining vets, where one new account is equal to one old account (despite the fact it'll likely only be around a few months).
Apartheid is that way ->
A 10 minute old account should be worth as much as my 3 year old account. I deplore any suggestion that implies double-standards are acceptable (even though they exist in so many places). |
Shanur
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.08.27 14:54:00 -
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Originally by: Tierie Have any other high sec capitals been removed, or just Chribba's? Could be a mistake by a GM.
As far as i have read from other posts, it's all capital ships residing in high sec space.
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Scagga Laebetrovo
Ammatar Free Corps
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Posted - 2008.08.27 14:54:00 -
[548]
Originally by: Asestorian Pretty much what Sakura Nihil said.
CCP need to try and retain some of what made them so special in the first place. They need to go back to posting regular dev blogs detailing their plans and ideas; they need to be honest about things that go wrong; they need to appear that they actually still give a damn.
Is that really so hard, CCP?
I have an idea of how we can achieve this. Irritate the vets enough to get them out, then the structures they have made that make the game 'less fun' will be gone! |
Smagd
Encina Technologies
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Posted - 2008.08.27 14:55:00 -
[549]
Originally by: Sheihk Mahandy Veld 1 Chribba 0
Haha, no wait. ASTEROIDS are petitioning PLAYERS? I'm scared. |
Asestorian
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.08.27 14:56:00 -
[550]
Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo
Originally by: Asestorian Pretty much what Sakura Nihil said.
CCP need to try and retain some of what made them so special in the first place. They need to go back to posting regular dev blogs detailing their plans and ideas; they need to be honest about things that go wrong; they need to appear that they actually still give a damn.
Is that really so hard, CCP?
I have an idea of how we can achieve this. Irritate the vets enough to get them out, then the structures they have made that make the game 'less fun' will be gone!
Long term players have nothing to do with CCP not speaking to us properly. |
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Azunami
Gallente Meridian Dynamics Cosmic Anomalies
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Posted - 2008.08.27 14:56:00 -
[551]
Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo Edited by: Scagga Laebetrovo on 27/08/2008 14:53:10
A 10 minute old account should be worth as much as my 3 year old account. I deplore any suggestion that implies double-standards are acceptable (even though they exist in so many places).
Its called loyalty, and it should be rewarded. |
Duncan MacPherson
Minmatar Black Lion Legion
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Posted - 2008.08.27 14:56:00 -
[552]
What a silly thread |
Scagga Laebetrovo
Ammatar Free Corps
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Posted - 2008.08.27 14:57:00 -
[553]
Originally by: Azunami
Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo Edited by: Scagga Laebetrovo on 27/08/2008 14:53:10
A 10 minute old account should be worth as much as my 3 year old account. I deplore any suggestion that implies double-standards are acceptable (even though they exist in so many places).
Its called loyalty, and it should be rewarded.
Skillpoints, t2 bpos, first grabs on resources sound good enough to you? |
Margeth
Amarr Nymphetamine Junkies
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Posted - 2008.08.27 14:57:00 -
[554]
Oh for.... Seriously, What exactly is the point in forcing high sec capitals out?
All they can do is fly around the system they're in looking pretty and mining etc....
Seems to me CCP are doing this purely for the sake of screwing around with things, Not for any good reason, I personally think that they should either have done this the second they made it impossible for capitals to enter high sec or have decided to allow it permanently.
Now that they've left it for so long saying that it's fine as long as they don't agress etc it's way too late to do this sort of thing without upsetting a number of people (not just chribba but other high sec capital owners as well).
Bad way to handle things is all i can say. |
Scagga Laebetrovo
Ammatar Free Corps
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Posted - 2008.08.27 14:59:00 -
[555]
Originally by: Asestorian
Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo
Originally by: Asestorian Pretty much what Sakura Nihil said.
CCP need to try and retain some of what made them so special in the first place. They need to go back to posting regular dev blogs detailing their plans and ideas; they need to be honest about things that go wrong; they need to appear that they actually still give a damn.
Is that really so hard, CCP?
I have an idea of how we can achieve this. Irritate the vets enough to get them out, then the structures they have made that make the game 'less fun' will be gone!
Long term players have nothing to do with CCP not speaking to us properly.
Right, so this thread started what, 8 hours ago. What exactly constitutes CCP not speaking to you properly? Are they breaching a clause of the terms of service or something? If not, then please, harden the **** up and wait? "I had a read of the General discussion section. Part of my empathy to my fellow man died." |
Traidor Disloyal
I Am Not A Lawyer
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Posted - 2008.08.27 15:00:00 -
[556]
Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo Skillpoints, t2 bpos, first grabs on resources sound good enough to you?
Nothing compares to that fancy shuttle I have in the hanger.
--------------------------------------------- Love is having a second account with a cov ops pilot |
Azunami
Gallente Meridian Dynamics Cosmic Anomalies
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Posted - 2008.08.27 15:01:00 -
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Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo
Skillpoints, t2 bpos, first grabs on resources sound good enough to you?
No they arn't.
t2 bpos --> Invention Skillpoints ---> New bloodlines and learning skill rewords. First Grab at resources ---> What? Anyone can take anyone elses resources, if they are incapable of taking them from the older owners than they dont deserve to own them.
New characters get all kinds of things to help them keep up with older characters. Removing unique things like high-sec capitals in some lame and misguided attempt at fairness completly ignores all the work and money that the vet's have put into this game over the years. If you think that people should not be rewarded for being loyal customers then you are obvously not in business.
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Duncan MacPherson
Minmatar Black Lion Legion
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Posted - 2008.08.27 15:01:00 -
[558]
Originally by: Azunami
Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo Edited by: Scagga Laebetrovo on 27/08/2008 14:53:10
A 10 minute old account should be worth as much as my 3 year old account. I deplore any suggestion that implies double-standards are acceptable (even though they exist in so many places).
Its called loyalty, and it should be rewarded.
Its a business. Loyalty is a myth. You pay them money and in return they have entertained you for 3 years. Get over yourself.
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Jacob Mei
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Posted - 2008.08.27 15:02:00 -
[559]
This sounds more like a new GM made a big ass mistake, why wouldnt CCP give atleast a warning to cap ship holders in high sec that would give them the option to cyno to a perfered low sec system? Definitely a bummer to hear that the Veldnaught was effectively nerfed, it was essentially the "god" ship of miners. -------------------------------- To borrow a phrase:
Players who post are like stars, there are bright ones and those who are dim.
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N1fty
Amarr Galactic Shipyards Inc HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2008.08.27 15:03:00 -
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It takes over 8 hours to come up with a good reason why high sec caps were removed?
Not seen one yet in this thread. I literally can't think of any reason.
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Drunk Driver
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.08.27 15:03:00 -
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Originally by: Le Skunk
Originally by: Drunk Driver
This thread is silly.
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CCP DEV Alt ^
SKUNK
Even if I was, this thread would still be silly.
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Scagga Laebetrovo
Ammatar Free Corps
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Posted - 2008.08.27 15:04:00 -
[562]
Originally by: Azunami
Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo
First Grab at resources ---> What? Anyone can take anyone elses resources, if they are incapable of taking them from the older owners than they dont deserve to own them. /quote]
So tell me, which alliance of young players managed to push out one of the alliances of the 'old guard'. Wait, they dont' deserve it, because they can't muster enough force. That's because they're young pilots and didn't have the same advantages.
T2 BPOs > invention. Give me a choice and I'd prefer a T2 bpo please. I'd rather be a vet with my own promethium moon and army of 60m sp pilots to defend against the nubs who grinded l4s for days to be able to field a ship as good as mine... "I had a read of the General discussion section. Part of my empathy to my fellow man died." |
Kage Getsu
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
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Posted - 2008.08.27 15:04:00 -
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Edited by: Kage Getsu on 27/08/2008 15:04:40
Originally by: Azunami
No they arn't.
t2 bpos --> Invention Skillpoints ---> New bloodlines and learning skill rewords. First Grab at resources ---> What? Anyone can take anyone elses resources, if they are incapable of taking them from the older owners than they dont deserve to own them.
You can't get BPOs through invention, only negative ME and PE copies. I guess starting with 800k more SP than the veterans did really balances things out when they have in excess of 60 million SP in most cases. (I quit for a while so I'm only at 50-something) It's hard when the old guys have more money, friends, ships, and skills than you.
I'm not complaining about any of that, it's all stuff you can actually earn in this game. Simply being older shouldn't mean you have influence on the development of the game. CCP markets the game to everyone, not veterans with gian egos. _________________________________________________________
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Azunami
Gallente Meridian Dynamics Cosmic Anomalies
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Posted - 2008.08.27 15:04:00 -
[564]
Originally by: Duncan MacPherson
Originally by: Azunami
Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo Edited by: Scagga Laebetrovo on 27/08/2008 14:53:10
A 10 minute old account should be worth as much as my 3 year old account. I deplore any suggestion that implies double-standards are acceptable (even though they exist in so many places).
Its called loyalty, and it should be rewarded.
Its a business. Loyalty is a myth. You pay them money and in return they have entertained you for 3 years. Get over yourself.
Tell that to every resturant with regular customers who are known by name. Tell that to every repair shop where the mechanic knows your vehicle history and gives you good deals. Another person not living in the world of the service industry. In the real world loyalty is absoluty rewarded.
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Vir Hellnamin
Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.08.27 15:04:00 -
[565]
whiskey-tango-foxtrot.
-- V.H.
"Entering MH means instant death. It's worse than 0.0. Even the asteroids shoot back." - Alex Harumichi [GRD]
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Alz Shado
Ever Flow HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2008.08.27 15:04:00 -
[566]
Might I suggest a response?
"A Week without Eve-Files/Eve-Search"
Simply disconnect what is perhaps the most vital pieces of Eve community kit. No more sigs, no more hosting the Territorial maps, no more easy-to-use search to make these forums into something barely more functional than a myspace page.
I think someone over at CCP just forgets how damn important you are to keeping their incompetent mess of a web presence functioning. //// ---------=== []= ---------=== \\\\ Rifter(RedBad)
"Kill a man one is a murderer; kill a million, a conqueror; kill them all, a God." -- Jean Rostand |
Dionisius
Gallente Sincarnate Holding
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Posted - 2008.08.27 15:04:00 -
[567]
In other important news, i just got myself a new 4870 , and had lunch with a hottie.
Take that CCP! _____________________________________
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Scagga Laebetrovo
Ammatar Free Corps
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Posted - 2008.08.27 15:05:00 -
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Originally by: N1fty It takes over 8 hours to come up with a good reason why high sec caps were removed?
Not seen one yet in this thread. I literally can't think of any reason.
Maybe because CCP has other things scheduled for the timebeing, other than answering this whinethread. "I had a read of the General discussion section. Part of my empathy to my fellow man died." |
Scagga Laebetrovo
Ammatar Free Corps
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Posted - 2008.08.27 15:05:00 -
[569]
Originally by: Alz Shado Might I suggest a response?
"A Week without Eve-Files/Eve-Search"
Simply disconnect what is perhaps the most vital pieces of Eve community kit. No more sigs, no more hosting the Territorial maps, no more easy-to-use search to make these forums into something barely more functional than a myspace page.
I think someone over at CCP just forgets how damn important you are to keeping their incompetent mess of a web presence functioning.
I'll get out my photobucket account in that case. "I had a read of the General discussion section. Part of my empathy to my fellow man died." |
Semkhet
Spartan Industries
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Posted - 2008.08.27 15:06:00 -
[570]
Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo
Let me point out:
- Veteran isk wealth: If it disappears with them quitting, what does that matter? If it's in their wallets, it's not part of the economy. - What you've just asserted about BPOs has been disproven enough times before. - Leaders of important corps and alliances? Sir, this is a GAME. They are NOT important, even to the game. They are tyrants who are following their own desires. Someone else will replace them when they go. - The game will not crash and burn if a few hundred skilled FCs go - in fact, it may give the less experienced pilots a chance to actually enjoy parts of eve they're always strong-armed out of :P
So to conclude, every point you tried to make is rubbish.
You don't seem to read. Does your isk disappear if your sub expires and you reactivate it one month later ? NO. Ditto for all your belongings that aren't stored on conquerable stations.
Fact of the matter is that only a small fraction of ingame items is profitable to build, and it's precisely old foxes who know which ones That most of EvE players struggle to build useless stuff from a profit perspective is a moot point. There's only one line of items which isn't vulnerable to BPO owner's characterized dumping. Unfortunately for newcomers, it's also a line of production which requires billion(s) of investment and quite a few sp's in the right spots.
Leaders are important. It's their experience, focus, will, vision & charisma which turn a given corp/alliance into nothing or everything. That's all the difference between BOB and an average alliance for example.
If the majority of experienced FC were to take a 1-month vacation, I can guarantee you that at their return, more than a self-proclaimed FC would stare ashamed at how fast his blob went "Ad Patres". Difference between those who know what they are doing, and the rest...
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