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Aclyn Seriy
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2008.08.27 22:01:00 -
[1051]
WOO HOO, go CCP. My faith is restored
Originally by: techzer0 I'm the failboat captain
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DB Tank
StoneFist Pilots
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Posted - 2008.08.27 22:03:00 -
[1052]
Player power at its best.. zzz
Caps should stay in low sec...
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2008.08.27 22:04:00 -
[1053]
I have to agree with the OP.
DUMB CCP.
If you think corp is different than a guild or clan you have some insecurity issues.
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ElweSingollo
The Higher Standard
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Posted - 2008.08.27 22:04:00 -
[1054]
Originally by: GM Grimmi Greetings everyone,
About those capital ships in high secà
First, IÆd like to apologize for this whole debacle. The simple truth is that our policies on capitals in high sec were not all that clear internally as well as officially. In hindsight, we should have given the matter more thought and discussion before acting, a valuable lesson to learn and weÆll remember it in the future. The general idea was that no capitals should be allowed in high sec and then we had some vague un-official guidelines on ships built before changes and whatnot. Those rules were never really actually set in stone and hence the situation we face now.
This is an excellent opportunity to change all that. We have therefore decided to set the following rules for capitals in high sec:
1. Capital ships may under no circumstances be used for aggression.
2. If at war, or with war declaration pending, you may not take your capital ship out of station.
3. You may not use your capital shipÆs attributes to gain any sort of advantage over other players while in high security space.
4. Breach any of the above and receive 2 weeks ban and off to low sec with your capital.
Along with those brand new actual rules, we will move ChribbaÆs Veldnaught back to Amarr, and will also move any other capital ship, by request, that was built in high sec before these changes were introduced. Anyone who had a viable high sec capital moved and wants it back should petition and we will take care of it as soon as possible.
With actual official rules on capitals in high sec, we should be able to make things work without further issues. We will be diligent about enforcing the new rules and anyone found in breach of them will have the offending capital ship moved out of high sec without advance notice, reversal or reimbursement. A two-week ban will also be imposed on the owner.
Thank you for your feedback, patience and understanding.
GM Grimmi Lead Game Master
A good desicion in the end CCP but it has to be said that what happened hear is another in a long line of reasons (even if this one had a "happy ending" that I no longer have any faith that CCP and Eve have the connection they once used to and that with a touch of sadness is why I plan on leaving the game...
Oh and no you cannot have my stuff ;P it's going to my firends in game.
CCP and Eve Online... It's not a bug, it's a feature
In Before I Get M***** Again
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MailDeadDrop
Archon Industries
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Posted - 2008.08.27 22:07:00 -
[1055]
Originally by: Schalac You also need to jettison your cargo into space so you need someone there to pick it up or make multiple trips back and forth to station greatly reducing the amount of ore you can bring in every minute. An osprey can fall victim to suicide ganks of 2 other cruisers. A dread would laugh as it's shields don't even move for that. Basically a dread is an AFK miner that has very little chance of ever being suicided due to the large amount ships and planning need to do so. That is an unfair advantage. Case point rules broken move the cap to low sec.
Uh, no. Please re-read the rules, especially where it says "You may not use your capital shipÆs attributes to gain any sort of advantage over other players while in high security space." (emphasis mine --MDD) Notice it does not say: "you may not have a theoretical advantage".
You claim that the Veldnought's AFK mining ability is an unfair advantage. It may be, I'm not passing judgment on that. But even if it were, the only way that the Veldnought could be considered in violation of the rule would be if Chribba actually engaged in AFK mining with it, which I consider extremely unlikely, and until such time your calls to move the Veldnought to lowsec are premature.
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Kayleigh Lothian
Minmatar KIA Corp KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.27 22:12:00 -
[1056]
Originally by: Schalac So because someone likes a product and decides to do something to help themselves out first and then lets the rest of the community that uses said product see what they made. That company should show favoritism towards them and not the rest of us? Chribba deserves no more advantage than anyone else that plays this game month after month and anyone who feels they do is misguided. While it is nice that some people put work into making things that help players out, they are still costumers of CCP and all should be treated equally.
When you get out in the real world you will see that that's the way things work. Both officially and inofficially, depending on the situations. ----------------------
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5pinDizzy
Amarr Umpteenth Podding
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Posted - 2008.08.27 22:26:00 -
[1057]
Originally by: Roy Batty68
Originally by: 5pinDizzy While I don't care too much either way whether Chribba keeps his dread in highsec.
What I find extremely disturbing is.
1. The mass amount of unwashed unthinking idiots who follow Chribba like a cult leader rather when a well respected player.
2. The chance that maybe they are only passing it off as an internal communication failure and they actually caved in to forum whining yet again.
If there is any truth in point 2 any faith I had in CCP's grand plan is dead and buried.
On the bright side if it's true, we can go necro the level 4 threadnaught and throw some more whinage and hits on it again till dev response!. Bring your 20 alts to post too!
1) Chribba IS a well respected player, hence the turn out.
2) Anything you disagree with is labeled a whine. I think of it as more the playerbase letting CCP know how they feel about player made content getting tossed out with the wash. So apparently you do care (and oppose the idea of him having a dread in hisec), otherwise you wouldn't have called it a whine.
3) What the hell was it hurting? The veldnaught making certain posters feel inadequate or something? It's like complaining about the guy who has the luxury yacht. You say you don't care, but you do care about other people caring? WTH?
4) Quit being a nerd. Just because you don't have strong feelings about a particular subject doesn't mean that those who do are whining and crying. And there's quite a bit of difference about a piece of game content which doesn't affect anyone other than it being a status symbol of sorts compared to the debates about other game mechanics WHICH DO AFFECT TONS OF PEOPLE.
I think you're just being ****y for the sake of it.
I am not Jealous of people who want to have their capital ship placed in a particular system that can't do anything useful other then let them wave it around outside the station like a big wang to wow the noobs.
I am jealous of :
1. People with Titans. (although to be honest too much responsibility so maybe no.)
2. People with 100 million skillpoints. (yes please, do want. )
What I DO care about is I think CCP are simply backtracking through pressure, and it's looking all too common.
1. Suicide nerf - Caved in through pressure.
2. Nanonerf - Balance test removed from test server and under revision through player pressure.
3. Now this as well apparently.
I hope I'm wrong but CCP are looking pretty spineless from where I'm sitting at the moment.
If I really cared about changing this situation then it's hard to remove the dreadnaught without nerfing Chribba, I mean you could make it more official and award him a unique ship possibly a dreadnaught variant for service to the eve comminity. like the ships awarded in tournaments, but I wouldn't even want to begin how you'd make fair judgement and decisions on who and why someone deserves something like that when it's not clear cut winners like an eve tournaments.
Gives more weight to it then sloppy patching changes that left capitals stuck in highsec.
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Etho Demerzel
Gallente Holy Clan of the Cone
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Posted - 2008.08.27 22:32:00 -
[1058]
Edited by: Etho Demerzel on 27/08/2008 22:32:30
Originally by: 5pinDizzy
What I DO care about is I think CCP are simply backtracking through pressure, and it's looking all too common.
1. Suicide nerf - Caved in through pressure.
2. Nanonerf - Balance test removed from test server and under revision through player pressure.
3. Now this as well apparently.
For starters, points 1 and 2 weren't backtrackings. They were decisions that condone with SOME people requests in the forums and are opposed to OTHER people requests. As EVERYTHING that can possibly be changed ALWAYS will be.
Three was a backtracking from a poor decision probably made by someone who shouldn't have done it in the first place without having at least some sort of internal consensus.
So, quit the melodrama, drama queen.
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t1mmeh
Caldari State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.08.27 22:34:00 -
[1059]
Way to go CCP! Grats Chribba! (would still like to take a pop at it though)
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Schalac
Caldari Apocalypse Reign
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Posted - 2008.08.27 22:37:00 -
[1060]
Originally by: Etho Demerzel
Three was a backtracking from a poor decision probably made by someone who shouldn't have done it in the first place without having at least some sort of internal consensus.
So, quit the melodrama, drama queen.
How do we know this? How do you know if it actually wasn't discussed and the consensus was to go ahead and do it. Then the forums blew up and CCPs spine turned to mush and they retracted it.
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Mauy Thai
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.08.27 22:41:00 -
[1061]
This thread is really depressing. I respect Chribba loads for what he has done to the community, but this thread basically proves that if you get enough people to whine about a basically meaningless issue, CCP will react, where as endless debate occurs in the game development/assemble hall, and CCP don't even bother to answer.
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Asestorian
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.08.27 22:45:00 -
[1062]
Originally by: 5pinDizzy 2. Nanonerf - Balance test removed from test server and under revision through player pressure.
Actually I think that was the plan from the start. They said when they released the dev blog that they wanted player input and were perfectly willing to revise their changes based on testing and that input. Also, I think they wanted to test another patch.
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Quote: EVE is unfair by design.
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5pinDizzy
Amarr Umpteenth Podding
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Posted - 2008.08.27 22:46:00 -
[1063]
Edited by: 5pinDizzy on 27/08/2008 22:46:46
Point 2 was unfair, indeed I'll withdraw it.
but
Do you expect me to believe supposedely new GM acting on their own accord removed every single capital ship in highsec to lowsec without no consulting or discussion with other staff?
yeah right...
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards Vanguard.
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Posted - 2008.08.27 22:47:00 -
[1064]
Originally by: 5pinDizzy Edited by: 5pinDizzy on 27/08/2008 22:46:26 Point 2 was unfair, indeed I'll withdraw it.
but
Do you expect me to believe supposedely new GM acting on their own accord removed every single capital ship in highsec to lowsec without no consulting or discussion with other staff?
yeah right...
No just the veldnought.
All other high sec caps were not moved.
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Schalac
Caldari Apocalypse Reign
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Posted - 2008.08.27 22:49:00 -
[1065]
Originally by: baltec1
Originally by: 5pinDizzy Edited by: 5pinDizzy on 27/08/2008 22:46:26 Point 2 was unfair, indeed I'll withdraw it.
but
Do you expect me to believe supposedely new GM acting on their own accord removed every single capital ship in highsec to lowsec without no consulting or discussion with other staff?
yeah right...
No just the veldnought.
All other high sec caps were not moved.
And again how do you know this? Did every single person with a high sec cap login today to check and see and then post? I doubt it.
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards Vanguard.
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Posted - 2008.08.27 22:51:00 -
[1066]
Originally by: Schalac
Originally by: baltec1
Originally by: 5pinDizzy Edited by: 5pinDizzy on 27/08/2008 22:46:26 Point 2 was unfair, indeed I'll withdraw it.
but
Do you expect me to believe supposedely new GM acting on their own accord removed every single capital ship in highsec to lowsec without no consulting or discussion with other staff?
yeah right...
No just the veldnought.
All other high sec caps were not moved.
And again how do you know this? Did every single person with a high sec cap login today to check and see and then post? I doubt it.
if you read this topic you would have seen a few post that their high sec caps were fine and not moved.
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MailDeadDrop
Archon Industries
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Posted - 2008.08.27 22:52:00 -
[1067]
Edited by: MailDeadDrop on 27/08/2008 22:53:13
Originally by: Etho Demerzel Three was a backtracking from a poor decision probably made by someone who shouldn't have done it in the first place without having at least some sort of internal consensus.
Originally by: Schalac How do we know this? How do you know if it actually wasn't discussed and the consensus was to go ahead and do it. Then the forums blew up and CCPs spine turned to mush and they retracted it.
You don't know either way. All you have is the evidence presented. The only evidence we have is:
- Chribba said his dreadnought was moved to lowsec
- Lead GM Grimmi said it was a "debacle", that there was some policy obscurity ("policies ... not all that clear")
To my reading, Lead GM Grimmi makes it seem like someone (could be an individual or a group) decided to move some subset of capitals (including Chribba's) to lowsec based upon an incomplete (or perhaps completely absent) understanding of the "vague" guidelines regarding highsec capitals.
Beyond that, there's no further evidence.
So, was there a backtracking on a poor decision? Lead GM Grimmi's post makes that pretty clearly "yes". Was it "by someone who shouldn't have done it in the first place without having at least some sort of internal consensus"? There's no evidence to support this contention. But there's no evidence to support the contention that "(it was) discussed and the consensus was to go ahead and do it. Then the forums blew up and CCP's spine turned to mush and they retracted (the decision)".
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5pinDizzy
Amarr Umpteenth Podding
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Posted - 2008.08.27 22:55:00 -
[1068]
Originally by: baltec1
Originally by: Schalac
Originally by: baltec1
Originally by: 5pinDizzy Edited by: 5pinDizzy on 27/08/2008 22:46:26 Point 2 was unfair, indeed I'll withdraw it.
but
Do you expect me to believe supposedely new GM acting on their own accord removed every single capital ship in highsec to lowsec without no consulting or discussion with other staff?
yeah right...
No just the veldnought.
All other high sec caps were not moved.
And again how do you know this? Did every single person with a high sec cap login today to check and see and then post? I doubt it.
if you read this topic you would have seen a few post that their high sec caps were fine and not moved.
Some source please?
I've been through this whole thread and I see nothing about other peoples capital ships.
And from when I read the petition in the assembly rooms section, it was clearly implied by various people in the first few pages that we're talking about a few capital ships.
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Smagd
Encina Technologies
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Posted - 2008.08.27 23:07:00 -
[1069]
Thanks CCP.
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NeoTheo
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.08.27 23:10:00 -
[1070]
Nice for Chribba, ;) congrats.
CCP, sorry guys as happy as i am for Chribba on a personal level, you should not have buckled, caps in highsec make no sense, never did,.
Neotheo Dark Materials
Linkage
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Joss Sparq
Caldari ANZAC ALLIANCE Southern Cross Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.27 23:14:00 -
[1071]
I'm very pleased that this situation has been resolved in favor of both Chribba and the other pilots of Capital vessels previously lodged in high security space. Though I would like to see some official clarification of the point which Chribba raised.
I may just get to go on that pilgrimage after all
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Una D
Ex Coelis The Bantam Menace
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Posted - 2008.08.27 23:24:00 -
[1072]
Excellent :) Those caps are something unique and worth having. They are part of the eve history and with the rules about their use there should be no problem keeping it that way :)
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Deja Thoris
Invicta.
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Posted - 2008.08.27 23:33:00 -
[1073]
Lol Kage, you always were a bit of a loser (and by bit I mean a lot ) Shame you are dragging the name of a decent corp down. Newb.
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Kephael
Caldari LEAP Corp Ursa Stellar Initiative
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Posted - 2008.08.27 23:34:00 -
[1074]
Too bad new cap ships cannot be built in hi sec, we really ought to be able to fit them and actually use them in hi sec, would be a nice isk sink for carebears. It'd also make it easier to destroy high sec POS.
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Deja Thoris
Invicta.
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Posted - 2008.08.27 23:35:00 -
[1075]
Originally by: Mauy Thai This thread is really depressing. I respect Chribba loads for what he has done to the community, but this thread basically proves that if you get enough people to whine about a basically meaningless issue, CCP will react, where as endless debate occurs in the game development/assemble hall, and CCP don't even bother to answer.
Moving it in the first place was meaningless. Grandfathered caps in highsec like this are on of the nice quirks eve has. Removing them is another step to blandness.
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Angelice
Minmatar Infinity Enterprises Daisho Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.08.27 23:38:00 -
[1076]
Before you think about war deccing Chribba to keep the Veldnaught docked... you might want to look at the number of pages in this thread and ask youself if that's such a good idea considering about 9/10 of them are in support of him?
Also, if the Veldnaught was ganked that would be it no more Veldnaught, just another moment of Eve history is all.
Hope it never happens Chrib, fly safe! Angelice Infinity Enterprises
"To see the right and not to do it is cowardice." - Confucius
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Etho Demerzel
Gallente Holy Clan of the Cone
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Posted - 2008.08.27 23:45:00 -
[1077]
Originally by: MailDeadDrop Was it "by someone who shouldn't have done it in the first place without having at least some sort of internal consensus"? There's no evidence to support this contention.
There isn't evidence enough to support "by someone who shouldn't have done it in the first place without having at least some sort of internal consensus", but there is a long way from "probably by someone" to "by someone". Considering the outcome I can pretty much place my bets on this, thus the "probably".
Anyway, Chribba has his Dread back as it should be.
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2008.08.27 23:49:00 -
[1078]
Originally by: Angelice Before you think about war deccing Chribba to keep the Veldnaught docked... you might want to look at the number of pages in this thread and ask youself if that's such a good idea considering about 9/10 of them are in support of him?
IF your of the inclination to wardec chriba - I dont think you would give two hoots about people spluttering indignantly at you.
Im sure it must happen from time to time anyhow... chribba?
SKUNK
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Juleko
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Posted - 2008.08.28 00:06:00 -
[1079]
Edited by: Juleko on 28/08/2008 00:06:24 On a more positive note at least this thread has given Chribba another service he can provide:
"Annoyed about a upcoming nerf to your preferred playstyle? Nano-nerf getting you down? For a small fee I will post indignantly on the Eve forum bemoaning the change and using the power of my fanbase (who will copy&paste my viewpoint on demand) get CCP to backpedal accordingly!"
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Niccolado Starwalker
Shadow Templars
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Posted - 2008.08.28 00:16:00 -
[1080]
Originally by: GM Grimmi [...]
3. You may not use your capital shipÆs attributes to gain any sort of advantage over other players while in high security space.
GM Grimmi Lead Game Master
im very happy you changed your mind on this! Removing the Veldnaught from empire is to destroy something unique in EVE!
However, the above point is so wide open that Chribba wont be able to mine in it if interpreted in very strict sense!
Attributes. What about taking it out for mining and being equipped with ordinary armourplates, hardeners, shields etc. Will that be a reason for ban and movement? what about the number of Hitpoints the ship have?? etc. etc.
I agree that any cap should be moved upon offensive use, but the defensive and passive part of this rule regarding caps are highly unclear!
Originally by: Dianabolic Your tears are absolutely divine, like a fine fine wine, rolling down your cheeks until they flow down the river of LOL |
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