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Digital Solaris
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Posted - 2008.08.29 06:08:00 -
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Originally by: Midnight Firestarter Edited by: Midnight Firestarter on 28/08/2008 15:54:44 Capitals in highsec = no ....
Rules are rules, no matter who you are or what support you have given the community doesn't justify a select few being treated differently from everyone else.
As far as I'm concerned it should have been long removed to low sec...
So, now that CCP has finally laid down the house rules for capitals in hi-sec, why are you whining or what are you whining over then? That Chribba got CCP to rethink the policy that originally allowed the manufactured capitals to remain in hi-sec as long as the player did not use his or hers capital ship for anything but harmless agendas, such as mining lo-grade ore and show off a big ship?
Much of the negativism ooze jealousy toward Chribba.
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Tortun Nahme
Minmatar Umbra Synergy Final Retribution Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.29 06:32:00 -
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Originally by: Joss Sparq
Originally by: Tortun Nahme
Originally by: Joss Sparq
Originally by: Tortun Nahme personally I'm very disappointed in thsi whole afrair, they mishandled the timetable/warning, but they compounded the folly by backpeddaling
So if someone does something which is perceived as wrong, they shouldn't make any amends for it? A ridiculous statement and a ridiculous sentiment in this case.
because a very small minority of players whined out loud enough for the jedi to hear it?
Well I expect it wouldn't be the first time CCP have chosen to listen to the concerns of their customers and it won't be the last time as I think we can safely assume they're interested in what members of the community have to say on a wide variety of issues - including sudden rules changes.
Originally by: Tortun Nahme CCP has legitimate reasons for doing exatly what they did, had they given proper notification of intention instead of just ninja'ing it, i would have no problem with their actions.
Whether or not you would have a problem with it is irrelevant to the decision because you're not the sum of everyone else who posted here in support of the pilots of Capital ships traditionally ensconced in high security space. Just as irrelevant is your next statement:
Originally by: Tortun Nahme However, the set a horrible precedent by even appearing to cave to any apparent favoritism by backpeddaling on this decision. There is no "legitimate" reason to allow "some" people to have cap ships in high sec while everyone else is forbidden.
Horrible precedent? This isn't a court room - though now it is just the "have not" crowd still whining about the "have" crowd (small as it may be) and by your logic it'd be Tech II BPO's for everybody and damn anyone who has a problem with it, eh?
I had a nice long dissection of your idiocy typed up but the forum ate it and I can't be arsed to retype it so I shall paraphrase. 1:less than .1% of the community whined, hardly a majority vote 2:whether "you" agreed with it or not is just as irrelevant as whether I did because you in no way represent anyone either 3:precedent has nothing to do with courtrooms, please, all ignorance should be deposited in the trash outside the door 4:Logical Fallacy at best, my position is far more likely to be "remove t2 bpo's" than "share them around" not sure how you made THAT leap but I'm more concerned that a jumper like you could have somehow been left out of the olympics. At any rate the situation concerning t2 bpo's and high sec cap ships are so vastly different that it isn't even remotely comparable, so please, I don't need words in my mouth 5:Has you alliance had any luck keeping cap ships anywhere?
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Cygnus Zhada
Amarr Reckless Corsairs
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Posted - 2008.08.29 14:15:00 -
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Edited by: Cygnus Zhada on 29/08/2008 14:16:17 You're missing a few points here (I'm not surprised).
there has been a long standing agreement with high sec cap owners going something like this "don't you DARE using your ship for actual combat or use it in any player interaction where your ships would provide you with an advantage". As such all the high sec caps dwelled around doing nothing... kinda, apart from looking cool and or doing the rediculous (mining).
Chribba (and ofcourse the others) is well aware of this and ofcourse makes it impossible to actually attack anyone by simply not fitting any guns or be lured into a situation where their cap might be compromised. They have been doing so for a long time.
Mind you, this wasn't a "we came back on our earlier rule and now feel that all caps should be removed from high sec". While that would suck tremendously, IF it were neccesary to pave the way for future content (the new small freighter, or mining ship or WHATEVER) THEN, whilst not being happy about it, we'd have to accept it and move on.
But that is not what happened, only 1 cap was moved without any form of interaction/dialoge with it's owner. That means that it either was a "personal attack" (in which case the GM department should be burned at the stake) OR a GM making a genuine decision because of a situation that had risen (ie, someone petitioned Chribba for unfair use of his cap).
But looking back at my second point you can be quite sure that Chribba did NOT make unfair use of his cap because he hasn't done so in the past and isn't completely stupid (just a tiny bit :P). Moreso, you would guess that preceeding such a big decision the GM would contact the owner for questioning, or AT LEAST informing him of the petition and the possible implication. In this case, both regarding the epicness of a cap in highsec AND the fact that it's Chribba (yes, I went there) warrants dialoge before action.
So, it was either done because of spite or done by someone who has no actual ties with EVE and thus not understands the situation and/or consequences of his decision.
official CCP response (which only took 20+ pages) is that "uhm well errr, the rules weren't quite clear on this so uhm... errr... "someone" made hasty decision, but this is how it's going to be from now on". This is ofcourse bullshit because that had been the unofical rule already. The fact that it's now moved BACK into high sec proves that Chribba never actually violated those rules in the first place and the moving was uncalled for.
Anything else is just spamming, people being their usual uninformed self or not-haves trying to ruin things for the haves, because jealousy is a strong motivator.
All in all it was a dumb move (pun itended).
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Smokie McLottapot
Caldari Keepers Of The Gate
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Posted - 2008.09.01 07:30:00 -
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Capitals don't belong in high-sec. Remove them all. I want a gm friend I can cry to when something I like gets nerfed too!!!!!!!!!!
So does this mean Chribba is actully a BOB alt? |
Jack Redrat
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Posted - 2008.09.01 07:57:00 -
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chribba will still be our eve-online icon... find some safe 0.0 space and mine the roids |
Sheriff Jones
Amarr Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2008.09.01 08:05:00 -
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Originally by: Cygnus Zhada official CCP response (which only took 20+ pages) is that "uhm well errr, the rules weren't quite clear on this so uhm... errr... "someone" made hasty decision, but this is how it's going to be from now on". This is ofcourse bullshit because that had been the unofical rule already. The fact that it's now moved BACK into high sec proves that Chribba never actually violated those rules in the first place and the moving was uncalled for.
Actually facts are A: No err umm in the post, was very clear. B: that it was a mistake by undefined rules(even if they were defined in theory) C: Timely mannered answer as the devs probably have to work to fix things everyone whines about. |
Verx Interis
Amarr Aurora Security Cosmic Anomalies
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Posted - 2008.09.01 08:51:00 -
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Veldanaught mining is not an advantage
A Hulk mines way more than the Veldanaught, and easily tanks any hisec rats.
An itty V can afk mine for WAAAAYYY longer than the Veldanaught.
The only real thing is the difficulty in suicide ganking, but seeing as Chribba will never get another one if he loses the current one, I think it's fair. You can buy Hulks in hisec. Besides, he's in a 1.0 system. It's hard to suicide gank pretty much anything there. |
Durzel
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.09.01 10:45:00 -
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Edited by: Durzel on 01/09/2008 10:46:03 As a side note - surely someone of Chribbas standing in the community could mine in 0.0 relatively unscathed anyway couldn't he? Obviously couldn't take the Veldnaught there but could always buy another one for low/null sec. Probably famous enough to get a personal CDS (Chribba Dont Shoot) policy applied?
I was always under the impression that low/null-sec mining was significantly more profitable regardless of ship size? |
Ashlee Darksky
Minmatar Forum Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.09.01 12:33:00 -
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WOOT! Justice is done! Thanks Chribba, thanks GM team! |
5pinDizzy
Amarr Umpteenth Podding
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Posted - 2008.09.01 12:55:00 -
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Chribba will never be suicided, it's almost impossible.
It would take a stupid amount of battleships, you'd need double the amount due to the double concord response times, and you'd need around 3 or 4 times what you'd use for a freighter due to the dreadnaught armor. Also due to the new cap/neut/nos ability use non cap weapons I think. And because it's 1.0 sec, triple the amount of bs's you take again compared to 0.5.
I think you'd be looking at something like 260 Maelstroms to make a serious attempt. I've been in a fleet of 70 that took 6 seconds just to kill a marauder, which is just not quick enough had it been empire.
Its pretty damn funny to me though how CCP in principle won't make an area a safe zone cause everyone shouts WoW! but they'll make it anything but... They'll edge right up to the edge of the line but they won't cross it.
Why don't they end the pretence, come out of the closet and make the highsec a safezone? Don't give me the crap about it's just harder, it is a safezone. |
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SentryRaven
Sentry Security
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Posted - 2008.09.01 13:03:00 -
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Originally by: 5pinDizzy
It would take a stupid amount of battleships,
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I think you'd be looking at something like 260 Maelstroms to make a serious attempt.
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Don't give me the crap about it's just harder, it is a safezone.
It's not a safezone.... it's really just a damn lot harder than the average gank. :) |
5pinDizzy
Amarr Umpteenth Podding
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Posted - 2008.09.01 13:22:00 -
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You wouldn't be able to control anything with that many ships, you'd all lag out. Therefore - safe. |
Taradis
Amarr The Imperial Assassins Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2008.09.02 08:59:00 -
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W00T!!!!! VICTORY!!!!!!!!!!! yay fer Chribba
Welcome back the veldnaught |
Taradis
Amarr The Imperial Assassins Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2008.09.02 09:03:00 -
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Originally by: Asuka SoryuLangley Edited by: Asuka SoryuLangley on 28/08/2008 15:52:46
Originally by: GM Grimmi
3. You may not use your capital shipÆs attributes to gain any sort of advantage over other players while in high security space.
Mining in a capital ship while in high security space is a huge advantage.
Of course you will allow that, becouse Chribba do, and that is why you get them back: becouse Chribba cryied.
Shame.
Ur are a ****ing moron and should be KOS to all of eve. Chribba has a huge part in Eve as a whole hosts a website free of charge and here u are *****ing about having the veldnaught in hi-sec what part of he built the ****er in hi-sec and should remain in hi-sec in a non combat role do u not understand why don't u just STFU |
Taradis
Amarr The Imperial Assassins Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2008.09.02 09:04:00 -
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Originally by: Smokie McLottapot Capitals don't belong in high-sec. Remove them all. I want a gm friend I can cry to when something I like gets nerfed too!!!!!!!!!!
So does this mean Chribba is actully a BOB alt?
No it means ur a ****ing moron Chribba has been around for yrs in hi-sec with his uber sexy roid destroying machine. Go smoke urself sober |
Vikarion
Caldari BLACK 0RIGIN Red Dawn Alliance
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Posted - 2008.09.02 09:05:00 -
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Dude. Thread is dead. Kaput. Finis. Let it rest in peace. |
ShardowRhino
Caldari Legion 0f The Damned
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Posted - 2008.09.02 11:56:00 -
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Originally by: Vikarion Dude. Thread is dead. Kaput. Finis. Let it rest in peace.
ahahah, taradis didn't feel he got enough time to pole jockey to win his hero's favor. |
Sylvie Giovanni
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Posted - 2008.09.02 15:09:00 -
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Edited by: Sylvie Giovanni on 02/09/2008 15:12:04 I'm neutral and looking in from the outside on this, as I'm fairly new, and I have to say that one rule for people that have been playing a long time and one rule for everyone else is not a good thing... If people that have stuff already in high security space are allowed to keep it, others should be allowed to bring too. That would only be fair, and it would probably stop a lot of the conflict over some people being more equal than others. Someone mentioned that disagreeing with the decision indicates jealousy, I don't think that is necessarily so, I don't know where I would even get one :) But I think it's a terrible precedent to set, and that anyone should be allowed to bring their stuff in by the GMs if others are.
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Sylvie Giovanni
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Posted - 2008.09.02 19:28:00 -
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I thought this topic had been deleted, but no pages just fall behind reallyreally fast here
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2008.09.02 19:33:00 -
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As this thread has been worked over, CCP has posted etc. Mods please lock it.
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