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Ithoriel
Amarr Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2008.08.27 09:14:00 -
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I've seen the Veldnaught and chatted to Chribba on a few occsions in my EVE career and IMHO he's a "scholar and a gentleman" and frankly deserves better from CCP, especially considering what he's done for the EVE community.
<dons tinfoil hat> So what *exactly* are CCP doing that is so controversial that is was worth triggering this firestorm so the community didn't notice what they're up to??? </tinfoil hat>
Bad move CCP to do something that seems so totally unneccesary.
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Cyberman Mastermind
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Posted - 2008.08.27 09:14:00 -
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Originally by: Gaia Thorn CCP is just changing something that has been broken for a long time.
Care to elaborate how it is/was broken? |
Terianna Eri
Amarr Scrutari
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Posted - 2008.08.27 09:15:00 -
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Originally by: FalconHawk just waiting for the day when ccp decides to delete the first dead titan cause it¦s causing lag ...
this.
you just summed up basically everything i had to say about the topic and i thank you for it __________________________________ CCP, WTH?
Originally by: Arthur Frayn How much to ruin all your holes, luv?
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Gaia Thorn
Villains
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Posted - 2008.08.27 09:16:00 -
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Originally by: MotherMoon Edited by: MotherMoon on 27/08/2008 09:09:55
Originally by: Gaia Thorn
Just becuase you are chribba shouldnt hold any more weight then the rest of us.
then why do they use him in presentations at conventions as an example?
Cause he supplies a free of charge service to us users ?
That shouldnt entitle him to excemptions and favors in game.
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Dezzereth
Two Swords Guild
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Posted - 2008.08.27 09:17:00 -
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Not a very smart move CCP, not at all.
Reverse this change asap, not just Chribba's, but all who were moved in this guerilla fashion!
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Gaia Thorn
Villains
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Posted - 2008.08.27 09:17:00 -
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Edited by: Gaia Thorn on 27/08/2008 09:18:54
Originally by: Cyberman Mastermind
Originally by: Gaia Thorn CCP is just changing something that has been broken for a long time.
Care to elaborate how it is/was broken?
Capitals arent allowed in high sec but yet there are some !
It would be like letting loose the rifters with cruise missiles to roam about...
It just shouldnt be allowed.
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Case Kovaks
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2008.08.27 09:19:00 -
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This was a much needed nerf to stop the recent flood of complaints with HiSec dreads being used for harassing lowbie players. By moving it to lowsec the vast majority of the player base will be able to appreciate it and it will create a lasting icon to the player community of eve.
From a business perspective, by not alientating huge portions of the playerbase for a pointless decision that has no ingame effect CCP will see large profit increases in the next quarter.
Oh, wait...
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Cyberman Mastermind
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Posted - 2008.08.27 09:21:00 -
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Edited by: Cyberman Mastermind on 27/08/2008 09:23:19 Edited by: Cyberman Mastermind on 27/08/2008 09:21:51
Originally by: Gaia Thorn Capitals arent allowed in high sec but yet there are some !
From what I've read, till now the rules were:
*) no capital may be BUILD in high sec *) no cynosural field may be created in high-sec *) no capital may be moved into high-sec(impossible anyway) *) no capital may aggress in high-sec
Nowhere it said they weren't allowed to EXIST in high-sec. There just was no way of getting new caps into high-sec.
So apparently they changed the rules. The question remains - why? Usually because of some imbalance, an advantage no one else can have or something. What advantage does a capital ship that cannot aggress, that cannot engage in fights, offer? I'm sure they can't even remote-rep. |
MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2008.08.27 09:21:00 -
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Originally by: Gaia Thorn Edited by: Gaia Thorn on 27/08/2008 09:18:54
Originally by: Cyberman Mastermind
Originally by: Gaia Thorn CCP is just changing something that has been broken for a long time.
Care to elaborate how it is/was broken?
Capitals arent allowed in high sec but yet there are some !
It would be like letting loose the rifters with cruise missiles to roam about...
It just shouldnt be allowed.
believe it or not communication is important.
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Argentarius
Amarr Falcon Advanced Industries
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Posted - 2008.08.27 09:21:00 -
[220]
This is a travesty, bring back the Veldnaught :(
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Jayden Lancia'Yu
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.08.27 09:22:00 -
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wow, you really need to screw up bigtime to upset chribba
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Gaia Thorn
Villains
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Posted - 2008.08.27 09:24:00 -
[222]
Originally by: Cyberman Mastermind Edited by: Cyberman Mastermind on 27/08/2008 09:21:51
Originally by: Gaia Thorn Capitals arent not allowed in high sec but yet there are some !
From what I've read, till now the rules were:
*) no capital may be BUILD in high sec *) no cynosural field may be created in high-sec *) no capital may be moved into high-sec(impossible anyway) *) no capital may aggress in high-sec
Nowhere it said they weren't allowed to EXIST in high-sec. There just was no way of getting new caps into high-sec.
So apparently they changed the rules. The question remains - why? Usually because of some imbalance, an advantage no one else can have or something. What advantage does a capital ship that cannot aggress, that cannot engage in fights, offer? I'm sure they can't even remote-rep.
Well there is new rule in town ..
No caps in high sec.
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Durzel
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.08.27 09:25:00 -
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Edited by: Durzel on 27/08/2008 09:26:12
Originally by: Blackened Soul
Originally by: Durzel Edited by: Durzel on 27/08/2008 08:02:08 Whilst I know Chribba's Veldnaught was docile, how many of the other ones manufactured in high-sec weren't being abused? I'd be interested to see some statistics of how big a problem this actually is before forming an informed opinion about it.
As far as I was aware it is still possible to manufacture capitals in high-sec where there already exists a manufacturing POS (or however it works), perhaps the people who "paid billions for high-sec capitals" are the ones who have brought this rule change upon themselves?
*shrug* It's a shame really, but ultimately one man's benevolence with his capitals in high-sec shouldn't be a green card for more malicious high-sec capital owner antics, if indeed this was happening.
the hi-sec cap manufacturing facilities got nerfed, ages back, (while chribbas infant rorqual was in production)
the current hi sec caps were limited by exploit rules, essentially meaning that agression would result in all manner of shitstorm. the hi sec capitals were limited to one system, couldnt be used in combat, couldnt be replaced, essentially they were show pieces and nothing more.
no possible reason to move them, probably done by someone who just likes to take a piece of game history and chuck it out the window, the kind of people who dont care about eve theyre just there for the job.
Well if that's the case I really don't see what the huge problem is. They're just points of interest for everyone else in the community.
Personally as a carebear I would've loved to have seen Chribba's (or anyones capital) on my travels, even if it was just mining or fighting NPCs - kinda wish I had gone out of my way to go and see it before
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2008.08.27 09:26:00 -
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Originally by: Gaia Thorn
Originally by: Cyberman Mastermind Edited by: Cyberman Mastermind on 27/08/2008 09:21:51
Originally by: Gaia Thorn Capitals arent not allowed in high sec but yet there are some !
From what I've read, till now the rules were:
*) no capital may be BUILD in high sec *) no cynosural field may be created in high-sec *) no capital may be moved into high-sec(impossible anyway) *) no capital may aggress in high-sec
Nowhere it said they weren't allowed to EXIST in high-sec. There just was no way of getting new caps into high-sec.
So apparently they changed the rules. The question remains - why? Usually because of some imbalance, an advantage no one else can have or something. What advantage does a capital ship that cannot aggress, that cannot engage in fights, offer? I'm sure they can't even remote-rep.
Well there is new rule in town ..
No caps in high sec.
what the hell honestly, are you a dev all of suddenly telling us that there is a tule around town BECUASE I FOR ONE ENVER HEAR SUCH THING
now go back under your hole troll and stop acting like this is a change that we knew about stop ignoring what the whole point of these thread is.
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Jowen Datloran
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2008.08.27 09:28:00 -
[225]
Originally by: Gaia Thorn
Well there is new rule in town .. No caps in high sec.
And it the reason for the need of that new rule we are asking for.
With the other four rules already efficiently in place, why the new one? ---------------- Mr. Science & Trade Institute
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Shirley Serious
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.08.27 09:28:00 -
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if this was a result from a petition by those people who tried to suicide the veldnaught, then it's lamer than a millipede with 999 sore feet.
Also, BOO to removing player generated content, that's the whole point of Eve, isn't it? that players make the history?
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Smagd
Encina Technologies
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Posted - 2008.08.27 09:30:00 -
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Originally by: Devilish Ledoux"
First they came for the suicide gankers and I didn't speak up because I didn't suicide gank
Then they came for the Veldnaught and I didn't speak up because I didn't have a Veldnaught.
Then they came for the Opux Luxury Yacht and I didn't speak up because I didn't have an Opux Luxury Yact.
Then they came for the T2 BPOs and I didn't speak up because I didnt' have a T2 BPO.
And then they came for me, and no one spoke up because they were all playing Warhammer Online.
Well sung. Make EVE more boring, CCP, sure why don't you? When are you going nerf the Apotheosis? Snowballs and Veldnoughts were too dangerous, surely there must be a way to exploit a shuttle?
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Jones Maloy
Minmatar Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2008.08.27 09:30:00 -
[228]
Originally by: Joss Sparq CCP have completely lost their minds
total bullshit honestly ----------- Real men use 8 heatsinks. |
Kwedaras
Amarr Viziam
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Posted - 2008.08.27 09:32:00 -
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time to add another section to that wheel of whining...
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Reven Cordelle
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.08.27 09:32:00 -
[230]
Originally by: Shirley Serious
Also, BOO to removing player generated content, that's the whole point of Eve, isn't it? that players make the history?
You'd think so but no, Any sandbox still has walls.
Unfortunately rather than walls containing just the sand, ours are 12 foot walls made of glass. Hell, we can see what we want outside of the confines.. but we'll be damned if we're allowed it.
And after all this, no one tells us why the glass is there...
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Devilish Ledoux
Caldari Ledoux Holdings
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Posted - 2008.08.27 09:32:00 -
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Originally by: Smagd
Originally by: Devilish Ledoux"
First they came for the suicide gankers and I didn't speak up because I didn't suicide gank
Then they came for the Veldnaught and I didn't speak up because I didn't have a Veldnaught.
Then they came for the Opux Luxury Yacht and I didn't speak up because I didn't have an Opux Luxury Yact.
Then they came for the T2 BPOs and I didn't speak up because I didnt' have a T2 BPO.
And then they came for me, and no one spoke up because they were all playing Warhammer Online.
Well sung. Make EVE more boring, CCP, sure why don't you? When are you going nerf the Apotheosis? Snowballs and Veldnoughts were too dangerous, surely there must be a way to exploit a shuttle?
Oy! *I* wanted to quote what I said on SHC here! _
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Krxon Blade
Apogee Group
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Posted - 2008.08.27 09:33:00 -
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Exceptions should be allowed. Don't erase history. If you support this, sign this thread as well. -- Eve battle simulator EVE character creator Eve offline game |
Kuolematon
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2008.08.27 09:33:00 -
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Originally by: Chribba Edited by: Chribba on 27/08/2008 06:59:23
Originally by: EVE System 2008.08.26 15:23 Hi. Capital ships are not allowed in high security space, can not be manufactured there and can not transported there. Your Dreadnought which was docked in Amarr VIII (Oris) - Emperor Family Academy, has been moved to a close low security system; Bordan IV - Moon 1 - Kaalakiota Corporation Factory.
And yes "EVE System" is the sender of such messages, same as last year when CCP unanchored LSAA's, and yes I already have a long exchange of petition messages regarding this.
NERD RAGE ENGAGE!
"The Amarr are the tanking and ganking floating rods of goldcrap"
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NilByMouth
Lave Lounge Lizards
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Posted - 2008.08.27 09:34:00 -
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Sad sad day.
Someone at CCP needs to realise that part of the charm of Eve is in the unique things that exist in the Eve universe, and with them, some unique individuals.
Knowing Chribba I don't believe he'll do anything as silly as take down the web sites he hosts/runs 'to make a point', but he at least deserves an explanation.
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Maria Kalista
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Posted - 2008.08.27 09:35:00 -
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Wow, Mothermoon getting angry, things are really dire
Now my initial rage has somewhat lowered, CCP can we have an explanation why you did this and if you are willing to give us one, can you please make it better (show that you are still in contact with your currently shrinking fan-base), then the horrible, inadequate explanation Wrangler had to give about the 30-90 GTC nerf? ----------
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Krxon Blade
Apogee Group
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Posted - 2008.08.27 09:35:00 -
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Originally by: Smagd
Well sung. Make EVE more boring, CCP, sure why don't you? When are you going nerf the Apotheosis? Snowballs and Veldnoughts were too dangerous, surely there must be a way to exploit a shuttle?
Pilgrim cans in New Eden were dangerous as well. Let's sacrifice everything to God of Bandwith. -- Eve battle simulator EVE character creator Eve offline game |
Durzel
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.08.27 09:36:00 -
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Edited by: Durzel on 27/08/2008 09:38:20 As a point of note I think people need to stop focusing on Chribba (no offence to the guy) and more on the actual debate about "are docile capitals in high-sec a bad thing that needed to be dealt with".
Focusing the debate on one player's ability to have capitals in high-sec is a pretty weak foundation for an argument. As highlighted by someone else previously - if the speed nerf hits and a valued member of the community was allowed to keep their unaffected nano-vag then that's not exactly fair. It's all or nothing, not "I'm ok with existing capitals in high-sec being relocated, but just don't touch the Veldnaught!".
Just throwing that out there.
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Shintai
Gallente Balad Naran Orbital Shipyards
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Posted - 2008.08.27 09:36:00 -
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Dont tell me you didnt know your dread didnt belong in highsec...
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Abstraction and Transcendence: Nature, Shintai, and Geometry |
Tyr Rak
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Posted - 2008.08.27 09:39:00 -
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This has to be reversed.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2008.08.27 09:39:00 -
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Originally by: Maria Kalista Wow, Mothermoon getting angry, things are really dire
Now my initial rage has somewhat lowered, CCP can we have an explanation why you did this and if you are willing to give us one, can you please make it better (show that you are still in contact with your currently shrinking fan-base), then the horrible, inadequate explanation Wrangler had to give about the 30-90 GTC nerf?
but that's just it, as much pain as it would of brought I don't think chibbra thought it would stay in high sec forever. Maybe wished and dreamed but were not stupid once you've been along for a while.
This thread has nothing to do with my anger. the topic at hand is only an example.
CCP need to TELL THE PLAYERBASE before making changes to the game. As an animation student this would be like assests I made being taking out of a game project without being told it was untill after the game is released.
A good company doesn't change something without telling people before hand.
grummble...
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