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Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
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Posted - 2013.06.01 13:43:00 -
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I did a quick forum search to get an impression on wether or not the myrmidon would be the hull used for the t2 gallente CS. Afterall, I ran across that link posted by Tippia (I believe) : http://eve.beyondreality.se/pics/RodenMydon.jpg
Alara IonStorm wrote:I think they should change the Eos Model to a Myrmidon. They are making all 8 Combat focused anyway.
* Claymore / Cyclone * Sleipnir/ Hurricane * Astarte / Brutix * Eos / Myrmidon * Damnation / Prophecy * Absolution / Harbinger * Vulture / Ferox * Nighthawk / Drake
Then get to work on T2 Tier 3 Battlecruisers.
The Devblog for navy battlecruisers was very inconclusive, so the base question remains:
''Will the Eos ever be based on the Myrmidon?''
That's all, links to realted posts really appreciated. :) |
Jonas Sukarala
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
211
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Posted - 2013.06.01 13:54:00 -
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Lloyd Roses wrote:I did a quick forum search to get an impression on wether or not the myrmidon would be the hull used for the t2 gallente CS. Afterall, I ran across that link posted by Tippia (I believe) : http://eve.beyondreality.se/pics/RodenMydon.jpgAlara IonStorm wrote:I think they should change the Eos Model to a Myrmidon. They are making all 8 Combat focused anyway.
* Claymore / Cyclone * Sleipnir/ Hurricane * Astarte / Brutix * Eos / Myrmidon * Damnation / Prophecy * Absolution / Harbinger * Vulture / Ferox * Nighthawk / Drake
Then get to work on T2 Tier 3 Battlecruisers. The Devblog for navy battlecruisers was very inconclusive, so the base question remains: ''Will the Eos ever be based on the Myrmidon?'' That's all, links to realted posts really appreciated. :)
ABC's should have been T2 to begin with they are clear specialist ships. 'Tech3 ships need to be put down, like a rabid dog drooling everywhere in the house, they are out of line' CCP Ytterbium Nerf missile range into place where is the TD missile change?-á ..projectiles should use capacitor. ABC's should be T2 HABC and nerf web strength its still too high |
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
93
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Posted - 2013.06.01 14:46:00 -
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Jonas Sukarala wrote: ABC's should have been T2 to begin with they are clear specialist ships.
I only cited that T2 ABC part to paste something complete as it was written. I think T2 ABCs are a terrible idea. If people are already complaining about tech-IIIs with their sig+tank/gank ratio, they certainly would even more so being confronted with HACs shooting SR weaponry at 50+km AND massive dps.
I'm actually hoping that one of you ran across a sekret post somewhere that either puts a certain death to all speculations or inflames those even more. Community has been 'disappointed' with the navy brutix (navy myrm makes little to no sense anyways, as was pointed out by Fozzie I believe) and yet there hasn't been a single merciful hint I caught up with!
(disappointed cause it is not a myrm, navy brutix is amazing though) |
PavlikX
You are in da lock
65
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Posted - 2013.06.01 16:09:00 -
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I don't want replacement of absolution model. |
Syrias Bizniz
Carnivore Company
174
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Posted - 2013.06.01 16:37:00 -
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PavlikX wrote:I don't want replacement of absolution model.
Exactly, the Harbinger would look way more nasty in Khanid colors anyways. |
ExAstra
Echoes of Silence
137
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Posted - 2013.06.01 17:26:00 -
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The Myrmidon gets no love. It's not a Command ship, and it's not the Navy ship. I think it'd be neat for the Myrmidon to be the Eos. The Astarte has to be the Brutix, but an Eos Myrm would be glorious. Although I'd be sad to see the Brutix Eos go at the same time. Save the drones! |
Jonas Sukarala
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
212
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Posted - 2013.06.01 17:27:00 -
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it would be cooler if they all got unique models loosely based off their appropriate hull so Myrm - Eos but heavily modified. 'Tech3 ships need to be put down, like a rabid dog drooling everywhere in the house, they are out of line' CCP Ytterbium Nerf missile range into place where is the TD missile change?-á ..projectiles should use capacitor. ABC's should be T2 HABC and nerf web strength its still too high |
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CCP Fozzie
C C P C C P Alliance
6207
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Posted - 2013.06.01 20:35:00 -
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This is something I've been thinking about during my predesign for the command ships.
I'll start with this disclaimer, we will never feel that we need to make hull designs match the function of every ship. So there's no NEED to switch the hulls on any command ships. This is not something we've decided to do, but it is something we could do and would like your opinions on.
It might be interesting to convert half the command ships into the other BC hull, picking the one that matches their weapon type at the T1 level.
That would (potentially) mean:
Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull This is the kind of thing that we'd expect many people would have strong opinions about, and since it wouldn't have direct gameplay effects we wouldn't consider it worth doing unless there was some significant community support for the idea that overwhelms the opposition.
So, hypothetically, what do you guys think? Game Designer | Team Five-0 https://twitter.com/CCP_Fozzie |
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DJWiggles
Eve Radio Corporation
59
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Posted - 2013.06.01 20:38:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:
Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull
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Threestep
Aperture Harmonics K162
8
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Posted - 2013.06.01 20:39:00 -
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I like it. Would they still keep their corp/paint schemes? |
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CCP Fozzie
C C P C C P Alliance
6207
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Posted - 2013.06.01 20:40:00 -
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Threestep wrote:I like it. Would they still keep their corp/paint schemes?
Yes, they'd have the same paintjob as before, just with different hulls.
The art guys have also been slowly updating many T2 ships to have modified geometry compared to the T2 hulls, so either way someday the command ships will likely end up being a bit different, but that would likely come later. Game Designer | Team Five-0 https://twitter.com/CCP_Fozzie |
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Aglais
Liberation Army Li3 Federation
296
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Posted - 2013.06.01 20:40:00 -
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Syrias Bizniz wrote:PavlikX wrote:I don't want replacement of absolution model. Exactly, the Harbinger would look way more nasty in Khanid colors anyways.
Everyone is entitled to an opinion, even if that opinion is disgustingly wrong and heretical.
I wouldn't mind the Nighthawk being a T2 drake as long as they spruced it up like they did with marauders. That'd be cool. Maybe making the little bridge projection there more like the 'classic' Drake. And then throw on slick Kaalakiota color scheme. I'd actually fly that based on appearance alone. |
Elena Thiesant
Sun Micro Systems
356
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Posted - 2013.06.01 20:41:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote: Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull Yes please!
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Eli Green
The Arrow Project
676
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Posted - 2013.06.01 20:42:00 -
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I support this product and/or service. wumbo |
Elendar
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
48
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Posted - 2013.06.01 20:43:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:This is something I've been thinking about during my predesign for the command ships.
I'll start with this disclaimer, we will never feel that we need to make hull designs match the function of every ship. So there's no NEED to switch the hulls on any command ships. This is not something we've decided to do, but it is something we could do and would like your opinions on.
It might be interesting to convert half the command ships into the other BC hull, picking the one that matches their weapon type at the T1 level.
That would (potentially) mean:
Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull This is the kind of thing that we'd expect many people would have strong opinions about, and since it wouldn't have direct gameplay effects we wouldn't consider it worth doing unless there was some significant community support for the idea that overwhelms the opposition.
So, hypothetically, what do you guys think?
Not sure about the slep, so iconic as it is. Rest though is an awesome idea. |
zbaaca
Republic Military Tax Avoiders
9
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Posted - 2013.06.01 20:43:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:
Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull nooo. i just trained to command. i want abso stay as it is. others i don't care Bugs are opportunities to cause unprecedented amounts of destruction. --Zorgn |
Ripard Teg
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
648
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Posted - 2013.06.01 20:45:00 -
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I support this in the strongest possible terms.
The only reason this wasn't done before was because Command Ships pre-date the old tier2 BCs. Jester's Trek: wherein I ramble about EVE Online, gaming, and from time to time... life. |
Jonas Sukarala
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
213
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Posted - 2013.06.01 20:49:00 -
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Ripard Teg wrote:I support this in the strongest possible terms.
The only reason this wasn't done before was because Command Ships pre-date the old tier2 BCs.
I support it stronger :PPP same with all T2 hulls would be awesome with unique models based on the appropriate hull. 'Tech3 ships need to be put down, like a rabid dog drooling everywhere in the house, they are out of line' CCP Ytterbium Nerf missile range into place where is the TD missile change?-á ..projectiles should use capacitor. ABC's should be T2 HABC and nerf web strength its still too high |
Wander Prian
Frozen Dawn Inc Arctic Light
6
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Posted - 2013.06.01 20:50:00 -
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I really like the idea. It would make the two command ships more unique and besides, drake with the red stripes= WIN! |
mynnna
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1247
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Posted - 2013.06.01 20:50:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:Threestep wrote:I like it. Would they still keep their corp/paint schemes? Yes, they'd have the same paintjob as before, just with different hulls. The art guys have also been slowly updating many T2 ships to have modified geometry compared to the T2 hulls, so either way someday the command ships will likely end up being a bit different, but that would likely come later.
The idea of a command ship with a bunch of extra antenna and stuff makes me tingly. Member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal |
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IamBeastx
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
95
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Posted - 2013.06.01 20:53:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:
Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull Yes to EOS hull change. Yes to Abso hull change. Yes to Nighthawk hull change.
No to sleipnir hull change, this ship is far too widely known and remembered with its current hull, almost EVERY tournament and day to day fighting it gets seen.
Change the claymore hull maybe, but deffo no to sleipnir hull change imo. All my life i wanted to be someone, now i know i should have been more specific. |
AyayaPanda
15 Minute Outliers Novus Dominatum
24
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Posted - 2013.06.01 20:56:00 -
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Although fat chicken looks better than harby, I still approve this proposal. |
Joelleaveek
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
218
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Posted - 2013.06.01 20:57:00 -
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yes, oh please yes. |
Yaturi
The Scope Gallente Federation
7
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Posted - 2013.06.01 20:58:00 -
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Yes to hull switch
Thank you Fozzie
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Torskelrak
Vallo Nostrum Domus Imperial Outlaws.
2
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Posted - 2013.06.01 21:00:00 -
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Good idea. How about making the different gang link modules change the shape of the ship slightly like a moduler ship? EG. Information gang links make the ship have slightly more antenna's Armour gang links, make the ship slightly bulkier, like adding extra armour plates
Or maybe a fleet ship is slightly different to the field ship bit same hulls? |
Shu-Ning
Bei-Ge Pirates
0
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Posted - 2013.06.01 21:00:00 -
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I like that idea. Different models bring more fun.
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Bienator II
madmen of the skies
1785
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Posted - 2013.06.01 21:00:00 -
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a black harb + a red harb? You are asking if we would want to have those? HELL YES! eve style bounties (done) dust boarding parties imagine there is war and everybody cloaks - join FW |
Seth Asthereun
Oscura Simmetria Yulai Federation
17
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Posted - 2013.06.01 21:01:00 -
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IamBeastx wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:
Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull Yes to EOS hull change. Yes to Abso hull change. Yes to Nighthawk hull change. No to sleipnir hull change, this ship is far too widely known and remembered with its current hull, almost EVERY tournament and day to day fighting it gets seen. Change the claymore hull maybe, but deffo no to sleipnir hull change imo.
This!!!! |
Jonas Sukarala
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
213
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Posted - 2013.06.01 21:02:00 -
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IamBeastx wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:
Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull Yes to EOS hull change. Yes to Abso hull change. Yes to Nighthawk hull change. No to sleipnir hull change, this ship is far too widely known and remembered with its current hull, almost EVERY tournament and day to day fighting it gets seen. Change the claymore hull maybe, but deffo no to sleipnir hull change imo.
i kind of agree on the no to sleipnir using the cane model i find it hard to imagine even though it should follow the cane model.. The sleipnir is quite iconic autocannon ship like the vaga. I don't think people would mind an exception in this case. 'Tech3 ships need to be put down, like a rabid dog drooling everywhere in the house, they are out of line' CCP Ytterbium Nerf missile range into place where is the TD missile change?-á ..projectiles should use capacitor. ABC's should be T2 HABC and nerf web strength its still too high |
Jennifer Christage
Token Industries The Yacht and Whiskey Club
0
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Posted - 2013.06.01 21:03:00 -
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No, the old models are iconic and should remain as they are. |
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Turelus
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve The Fourth District
386
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Posted - 2013.06.01 21:04:00 -
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The Ferox hull is just way more sexy than the Drake though...
Why not wait until these new changes the art teams working on than change it now and then changing it again later when we're again getting used to it? Also that seems a better reason to change than doing this now "just because" and upsetting everyone who currently likes the looks. Lieutenant Turelus
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
The Fourth District |
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CCP Fozzie
C C P C C P Alliance
6212
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Posted - 2013.06.01 21:05:00 -
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Cards on the table, the Sleipnir is the ship I have the greatest emotional attachment to of any ship in EVE. It would look great as a Hurricane, but it would also look DIFFERENT and that makes me feel confused feelings deep inside my heart.
I also don't think this kind of change would be worthwhile unless we did all four and converted them into those specific hulls, since any deviation would make it harder for a new player trying to get information from their looks.
So it's kinda an all or nothing deal, which is what makes it such a difficult question. Game Designer | Team Five-0 https://twitter.com/CCP_Fozzie |
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zbaaca
Republic Military Tax Avoiders
9
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Posted - 2013.06.01 21:06:00 -
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i would say , if change models then change all of them , no exceptions, if leave them as they now then , again, all of them Bugs are opportunities to cause unprecedented amounts of destruction. --Zorgn |
Destoya
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
103
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Posted - 2013.06.01 21:06:00 -
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I'm kind of torn to be honest.
On one hand the current field command ships are extremely iconic (sleipnir and absolution especially). However, eos being a myrmidon makes more sense, and differentiation in the ship class is good and would serve to illustrate the differences between the rebalanced command ships (like the current HACs)
I think it would really depend in what form differentiated t2 hulls would come, and how fast. Dont think it would be a huge issue for nostalgia purposes if sleipnir got a badass hurricance model or similar. |
Willaev
KINGS OF EDEN Sev3rance
0
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Posted - 2013.06.01 21:10:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:
Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull So, hypothetically, what do you guys think?
1000x Yes. |
Alex Decu
Senators of Eridan Red Alliance
0
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Posted - 2013.06.01 21:12:00 -
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Definitely yes to all hull changes. Cause sometimes you are bored to see same ship model for years. |
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ISD Suvetar
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
2271
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Posted - 2013.06.01 21:14:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:
Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull
AWW YISS! ISD Suvetar Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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SanshaGrey
The Scope Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.06.01 21:15:00 -
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Jonas Sukarala wrote:all T2 hulls would be awesome with unique models based on the appropriate hull.
+1. Sound cool for me. HACs do have different hulls, why shouldn't CS and AS have them? Just imagine Kestrel-based Hawk, Tristran-based Ishkur, not to mention Hurri-Sleip. Wouldn't that be AWESOME? |
Theodore Giumbix
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2013.06.01 21:16:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:That would (potentially) mean:
Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull This is the kind of thing that we'd expect many people would have strong opinions about, and since it wouldn't have direct gameplay effects we wouldn't consider it worth doing unless there was some significant community support for the idea that overwhelms the opposition.
So, hypothetically, what do you guys think?
This would actually make more sense.
And speaking about things that makes sense, Caldari also needs some faction hybrid boats, we have enough missile/drone faction boats. - cruisers: Caracal Navy Issue (missile) , Osprey Navy Issue (missile) , Gila (missile&drones even tho the moa & eagle use hybrid guns) - battlecruisers: Drake Navy Issue (missile) - battleships: Raven Navy Issue (missile), Scorpion Navy Issue (missiles), Rattlesnake (missile&drones)
How about some faction ferox/rockh hull boats with hybrid guns for caldari and change Gila to use hybrid guns too ? The Tek - a show that covers hardware, pc games, indie games, legal policies that pertain to technology, the internet, and nerd culture at https://teksyndicate.com |
zbaaca
Republic Military Tax Avoiders
10
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Posted - 2013.06.01 21:17:00 -
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SanshaGrey wrote:Jonas Sukarala wrote:all T2 hulls would be awesome with unique models based on the appropriate hull. +1. Sound cool for me. HACs do have different hulls, why shouldn't CS and AS have them? Just imagine Kestrel-based Hawk, Tristran-based Ishkur, not to mention Hurri-Sleip. Wouldn't that be AWESOME? good idea Bugs are opportunities to cause unprecedented amounts of destruction. --Zorgn |
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Rin Corsi
EVE University Ivy League
0
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Posted - 2013.06.01 21:18:00 -
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T2 Myrm? My body is ready. |
Jonas Sukarala
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
213
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Posted - 2013.06.01 21:19:00 -
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Also couldn't all pirate ships get unique hulls? Also find it odd with navy frigs being unique and only one how about some more ships here? - Breacher fleet issue - missiles and mobility like talwar mwd bonus - Tristan navy issue - drones like navy vexor - Merlin navy issue - blasters and HP bonus - Tormentor navy issue - drones/lasers 'Tech3 ships need to be put down, like a rabid dog drooling everywhere in the house, they are out of line' CCP Ytterbium Nerf missile range into place where is the TD missile change?-á ..projectiles should use capacitor. ABC's should be T2 HABC and nerf web strength its still too high |
Yaturi
The Scope Gallente Federation
7
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Posted - 2013.06.01 21:21:00 -
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zbaaca wrote:SanshaGrey wrote:Jonas Sukarala wrote:all T2 hulls would be awesome with unique models based on the appropriate hull. +1. Sound cool for me. HACs do have different hulls, why shouldn't CS and AS have them? Just imagine Kestrel-based Hawk, Tristran-based Ishkur, not to mention Hurri-Sleip. Wouldn't that be AWESOME? good idea
Superb idea |
Alua Oresson
Demon-War-Lords Fatal Ascension
272
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Posted - 2013.06.01 21:28:00 -
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Personally, I don't like the idea. This was already done with the Covert Ops ships, and it ended up with having an ugly Helios. I think that it could have been done earlier fairly easy, but too much time has passed now to change them. http://pvpwannabe.blogspot.com/ |
Zamnir Kuha
PH0ENIX COMPANY Tribal Band
0
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Posted - 2013.06.01 21:31:00 -
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Why not keep the Field Command Ships as they are? Personally all the fleet command ships would look better with the Harbinger/myrmordon/cane/drake skins. |
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
195
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Posted - 2013.06.01 21:35:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:This is something I've been thinking about during my predesign for the command ships.
I'll start with this disclaimer, we will never feel that we need to make hull designs match the function of every ship. So there's no NEED to switch the hulls on any command ships. This is not something we've decided to do, but it is something we could do and would like your opinions on.
It might be interesting to convert half the command ships into the other BC hull, picking the one that matches their weapon type at the T1 level.
That would (potentially) mean:
Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull This is the kind of thing that we'd expect many people would have strong opinions about, and since it wouldn't have direct gameplay effects we wouldn't consider it worth doing unless there was some significant community support for the idea that overwhelms the opposition.
So, hypothetically, what do you guys think?
This absolutely must happen. |
Caius Argentis
Snuff Box Urine Alliance
6
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Posted - 2013.06.01 21:37:00 -
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Do it. |
Grarr Dexx
Snuff Box Urine Alliance
173
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Posted - 2013.06.01 21:38:00 -
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Not the Sleipnir :/ such an iconic ship. |
Shinzhi Xadi
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
45
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Posted - 2013.06.01 21:41:00 -
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As a 5+ year eve player, I think this is a wonderful idea!
Make it so! |
criativa
Zugleich Techniken
64
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Posted - 2013.06.01 21:43:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:This is something I've been thinking about during my predesign for the command ships.
Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull So, hypothetically, what do you guys think?
Yes, please!
+1 |
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Qestroy
Bio-Tech Research Tribal Band
2
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Posted - 2013.06.01 21:45:00 -
[51] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:Threestep wrote:I like it. Would they still keep their corp/paint schemes? Yes, they'd have the same paintjob as before, just with different hulls. The art guys have also been slowly updating many T2 ships to have modified geometry compared to the T2 hulls, so either way someday the command ships will likely end up being a bit different, but that would likely come later. Yes. Give me a sexy red harbinger, now :P |
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
195
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Posted - 2013.06.01 21:46:00 -
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Grarr Dexx wrote:Not the Sleipnir :/ such an iconic ship.
I'm fairly sure the Hurricane is more iconic. |
Destoya
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
103
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Posted - 2013.06.01 21:47:00 -
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Alvatore DiMarco wrote: I'm fairly sure the Hurricane is more iconic.
The alliance tournament community would like to respectfully disagree
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Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
195
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Posted - 2013.06.01 21:54:00 -
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Duly noted. It may also be worth mentioning that the Cyclone isn't even a projectile boat anymore so changing it to a Cane hull is much more sensible anyway.
Saying "this ship is iconic, don't change it" when other iconic ships have been fooled around with (Tempest, Apocalypse, Megathron, Raven to a degree) doesn't seem entirely consistent to me.
Honestly, if only one ship is going to stand in the way of this then my opinion is that perhaps it's best to just change that ship. It's the same opinion I'd have about changing any ship. There is tons of support for a Duvolle Labs Myrmidon and I've yet to see any missile pilots see a Kaalakiota Drake and not say "Hell yes I would fly that". There aren't any people saying "A Carthum Conglomerate Harbinger would be awful", either.
I'll go around to all the people I know and see about getting them to come voice their opinions here, whatever they may be. Everyone else who has more than a passing interest in this should do the same. |
Kirimeena D'Zbrkesbris
Republic Military Tax Avoiders
122
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Posted - 2013.06.01 21:56:00 -
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i dont mind Sleipnir gets to keep cyclone hull if it is changed to missile boat because i dont want to see missile hurricane if CCP follows own idea of different weapon platforms on command ships. AC Cane is more iconic than AC Sleipnir, especially with recent Cyclone changes. imo. |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
4500
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Posted - 2013.06.01 21:56:00 -
[56] - Quote
If its an all or nothing deal... well slephnir you had a fair run but I think a hurricane dressed in your role and colors would be suitable.
I am all for this, variety is good. AKA Dust 514's CPM 0 Iron Wolf Saber Eve mail me about Dust 514 issues.-á |
Liner Xiandra
Sparks Inc Zero Hour Alliance
208
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Posted - 2013.06.01 21:57:00 -
[57] - Quote
I'm all for it if it also gets a slight model alteration that isn't just a new texture job. |
Mourning Souls
RvB - RED Federation
52
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Posted - 2013.06.01 22:01:00 -
[58] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull
Yes! Hell yes! Please no, Damnation would be very cool though. I don't like the Drake hull, but it could look cool so I'm okay with it. |
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
195
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Posted - 2013.06.01 22:04:00 -
[59] - Quote
Kirimeena D'Zbrkesbris wrote:If Sleipnir is to keep cyclone hull - change it to missile boat because i dont want to see missile hurricane if CCP follows own idea of different weapon platforms on command ships. AC Cane is more iconic than AC Sleipnir, especially with recent Cyclone changes. imo.
Err.. Nobody's changing the Sleip to missiles. The Claymore is going to become the missile CS and the Sleip will remain AC.
Liner Xiandra wrote:I'm all for it if it also gets a slight model alteration that isn't just a new texture job. Given the way the Art department is giving all the Marauders unique custom models, I would anticipate all the T2 ships are going to be made to look somewhat different from their T1 counterparts. It may not happen right at first, but it would almost certainly happen. |
Rroff
Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
270
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Posted - 2013.06.01 22:05:00 -
[60] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:Cards on the table, the Sleipnir is the ship I have the greatest emotional attachment to of any ship in EVE. It would look great as a Hurricane, but it would also look DIFFERENT and that makes me feel confused feelings deep inside my heart.
I also don't think this kind of change would be worthwhile unless we did all four and converted them into those specific hulls, since any deviation would make it harder for a new player trying to get information from their looks.
So it's kinda an all or nothing deal, which is what makes it such a difficult question.
Have to agree with this Sleipnir with the Claymore hull is iconic the Hurricane hull for it just seems wrong somehow. The rest makes sense tho but also at the same time the Eos is the best looking take on the Brutix hull IMO and I'd be sad to see it go (while I think the myrm hull makes more sense).
Shame in a way there can't be 2 identical stat versions of the hull with the different looks i.e. CreoDron issue Eos for the Brutix look and Fleet issue Eos for the Myrmidon hull (or whoever would be appropriate for issuing that hull) but that could be confusing. |
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Kirimeena D'Zbrkesbris
Republic Military Tax Avoiders
122
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Posted - 2013.06.01 22:05:00 -
[61] - Quote
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:Kirimeena D'Zbrkesbris wrote:If Sleipnir is to keep cyclone hull - change it to missile boat because i dont want to see missile hurricane if CCP follows own idea of different weapon platforms on command ships. AC Cane is more iconic than AC Sleipnir, especially with recent Cyclone changes. imo. Err.. Nobody's changing the Sleip to missiles. The Claymore is going to become the missile CS and the Sleip will remain AC. in that case Sleipnir should get Cane hull. |
Lakshata Chawla
Risk-Averse PLEASE NOT VIOLENCE OUR BOATS
49
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Posted - 2013.06.01 22:06:00 -
[62] - Quote
I fully support this product and/or service.
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Alec Polaris
The Pilots Who Say Ni
2
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Posted - 2013.06.01 22:06:00 -
[63] - Quote
Yes, please. Some of the ship classes feel almost homogenized after a while, and, while I'm glad that that the art team is working on model alterations for tech two variants as I think that is sorely needed, I'm of the opinion that changing the hulls themselves would go a long way in helping all of the ship models look less outdated. As for people who say that changes such as these would hurt the way we view iconic ships, I find it very strange that ship models as iconic as the Drake, Hurricane, Harbinger, and Myrmidon are not represented in their tech two counterparts. |
Pet Girl
Republic University Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.06.01 22:07:00 -
[64] - Quote
+1 to hull changes |
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
195
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Posted - 2013.06.01 22:07:00 -
[65] - Quote
Mourning Souls wrote: Yes! Hell yes! Please no, Damnation would be very cool though. I don't like the Drake hull, but it could look cool so I'm okay with it.
The Drake would probably look something very close to this.
http://i.imgur.com/zBvXe.jpg http://i.imgur.com/hqeaQ.jpg
Also, a Hurricane Sleipnir would probably look close to this.
http://i.imgur.com/hiZTG.jpg |
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
96
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Posted - 2013.06.01 22:10:00 -
[66] - Quote
aww yiss!
Wouldn't that imply a hurricanir with WINGS like those of a wolf/vargur? That would look so beasty. Would not be great to see that old and familiar sleipnir leave, but it would be a new dawn for CS anyways.
Drake with a cambion-paintjob sounds awesome. Even shinier myrm sounds awesome. The Golden Chicken - don't care. |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
2547
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Posted - 2013.06.01 22:12:00 -
[67] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:So, hypothetically, what do you guys think? DUU EEET!! DUUU EEET NAAOOOOOOO!!! Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective. |
JackJill
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.06.01 22:13:00 -
[68] - Quote
Lakshata Chawla wrote:I fully support this product and/or service.
+1 |
Jessica Danikov
Ubuntu Inc. The Fourth District
88
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Posted - 2013.06.01 22:17:00 -
[69] - Quote
Aw yiss! |
Cameron Cahill
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
241
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Posted - 2013.06.01 22:18:00 -
[70] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull
God please don't ruin my sliepnir |
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Chirality Tisteloin
Zervas Aeronautics Tribal Band
21
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Posted - 2013.06.01 22:22:00 -
[71] - Quote
+1 internet for this See you at my blog: http://spindensity.wordpress.com/ |
Jelani Akinyemi Affonso
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
35
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Posted - 2013.06.01 22:26:00 -
[72] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull
So, hypothetically, what do you guys think?
+1 |
Zand Vor
Imbrium Clan
0
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Posted - 2013.06.01 22:31:00 -
[73] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:This is something I've been thinking about during my predesign for the command ships.
I'll start with this disclaimer, we will never feel that we need to make hull designs match the function of every ship. So there's no NEED to switch the hulls on any command ships. This is not something we've decided to do, but it is something we could do and would like your opinions on.
It might be interesting to convert half the command ships into the other BC hull, picking the one that matches their weapon type at the T1 level.
That would (potentially) mean:
Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull This is the kind of thing that we'd expect many people would have strong opinions about, and since it wouldn't have direct gameplay effects we wouldn't consider it worth doing unless there was some significant community support for the idea that overwhelms the opposition.
So, hypothetically, what do you guys think?
Long time lurker here, but I had to login to voice my support for this. The Drake is by far my favorite ship model, and seeing it used for this would be excellent. Now, lets bring these ships on-grid so people will actually see them! |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1054
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Posted - 2013.06.01 22:33:00 -
[74] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:This is something I've been thinking about during my predesign for the command ships.
I'll start with this disclaimer, we will never feel that we need to make hull designs match the function of every ship. So there's no NEED to switch the hulls on any command ships. This is not something we've decided to do, but it is something we could do and would like your opinions on.
It might be interesting to convert half the command ships into the other BC hull, picking the one that matches their weapon type at the T1 level.
That would (potentially) mean:
Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull This is the kind of thing that we'd expect many people would have strong opinions about, and since it wouldn't have direct gameplay effects we wouldn't consider it worth doing unless there was some significant community support for the idea that overwhelms the opposition.
So, hypothetically, what do you guys think?
DO IT.
No Seriously
Now
Please. Ok, so you've corrected my spelling,do you care to make a valid point? -áThere are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1054
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Posted - 2013.06.01 22:36:00 -
[75] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:Cards on the table, the Sleipnir is the ship I have the greatest emotional attachment to of any ship in EVE. It would look great as a Hurricane, but it would also look DIFFERENT and that makes me feel confused feelings deep inside my heart.
I also don't think this kind of change would be worthwhile unless we did all four and converted them into those specific hulls, since any deviation would make it harder for a new player trying to get information from their looks.
So it's kinda an all or nothing deal, which is what makes it such a difficult question.
why not make the claymore the cane then? Ok, so you've corrected my spelling,do you care to make a valid point? -áThere are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... |
JonJon Florencee Sinulf
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.06.01 22:36:00 -
[76] - Quote
I was undecided on the sleip but after seeing those mock ups this entire idea gets my +1
Doooo eeeeet fozzie! |
Toni Wonder
The Shaka Zulu Institute for Advanced Nerd Hazing
0
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Posted - 2013.06.01 22:37:00 -
[77] - Quote
Raivi have I told you lately that I love you
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M Sully
Valkyries of Night Of Sound Mind
0
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Posted - 2013.06.01 22:37:00 -
[78] - Quote
Absolutely. |
Malgalad
Shrubbery Acquisitions
3
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Posted - 2013.06.01 22:41:00 -
[79] - Quote
please no, Ferox skin is way more sexy than the drake, it's one of the reasons why i love the nighthawk. Same with the sleip.
Please keep the Field command ships as they are!
Maybe change the fleet skins? |
Hashi Lebwohl
Oberon Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
30
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Posted - 2013.06.01 22:42:00 -
[80] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:
That would (potentially) mean:
Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull
Shouldn't that read Astarte would use the Myrm hull if you are following the same logic. Field command ships get the tier 2 BC hull -Fleet command ships get the tier 1 BC hull. |
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Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
196
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Posted - 2013.06.01 22:44:00 -
[81] - Quote
Hashi Lebwohl wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:
That would (potentially) mean:
Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull
Shouldn't that read Astarte would use the Myrm hull if you are following the same logic. Field command ships get the tier 2 BC hull -Fleet command ships get the tier 1 BC hull.
There aren't tiers anymore though, so we are free from those sorts of rules. Moreover, Fleet and Field command are being merged to just be "Command". There's a devblog about that one. |
Lucas Quaan
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
58
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Posted - 2013.06.01 22:44:00 -
[82] - Quote
Destoya wrote:Alvatore DiMarco wrote: I'm fairly sure the Hurricane is more iconic.
The alliance tournament community would like to respectfully disagree I'm afraid the vast majority of EVE has a different relation to the hulls in this case. |
Subsparx
Crimson Serpent Syndicate
0
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Posted - 2013.06.01 22:47:00 -
[83] - Quote
My two favorite hulls in the game are the Ferox and the Myrmidon, Myrmidon above the Ferox by a large margin. It'd be sad to see the Nighthawk be turned into a Drake (though I'm sure it would look amazing indeed), but I have ALWAYS wanted an Eos color scheme Myrmidon. This has my support 100%. I would probably exclusively fly the Eos if this happened. |
Beaver Retriever
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
104
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Posted - 2013.06.01 22:52:00 -
[84] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:This is something I've been thinking about during my predesign for the command ships.
I'll start with this disclaimer, we will never feel that we need to make hull designs match the function of every ship. So there's no NEED to switch the hulls on any command ships. This is not something we've decided to do, but it is something we could do and would like your opinions on.
It might be interesting to convert half the command ships into the other BC hull, picking the one that matches their weapon type at the T1 level.
That would (potentially) mean:
Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull This is the kind of thing that we'd expect many people would have strong opinions about, and since it wouldn't have direct gameplay effects we wouldn't consider it worth doing unless there was some significant community support for the idea that overwhelms the opposition.
So, hypothetically, what do you guys think? I have posted about this before, in a different thread relating to this.. my opinion is still **** yes.
It would make more use of the rather cool-looking tier 2 battlecruiser hulls, and ships like the Sleipnir and Absolution really could do with looking as badass as they are rather than a brick and a tub respectively. |
Gilbaron
Free-Space-Ranger Nulli Secunda
888
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Posted - 2013.06.01 23:07:00 -
[85] - Quote
yes please We are recruiting german-speaking PVP players, contact me :)
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Jonas Sukarala
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
213
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Posted - 2013.06.01 23:38:00 -
[86] - Quote
Subsparx wrote:My two favorite hulls in the game are the Ferox and the Myrmidon, Myrmidon above the Ferox by a large margin. It'd be sad to see the Nighthawk be turned into a Drake (though I'm sure it would look amazing indeed), but I have ALWAYS wanted an Eos color scheme Myrmidon. This has my support 100%. I would probably exclusively fly the Eos if this happened.
Ferox is my favourite hull too its a shame that the drake is still better in every possible way from tank to dps and range.
I love the new Navy Apoc though. 'Tech3 ships need to be put down, like a rabid dog drooling everywhere in the house, they are out of line' CCP Ytterbium Nerf missile range into place where is the TD missile change?-á ..projectiles should use capacitor. ABC's should be T2 HABC and nerf web strength its still too high |
Faustus Kraemar
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.06.01 23:46:00 -
[87] - Quote
This alternate Command Ship hulls idea sounds awesome! Tech 2 Myrmidon and Harby in CC colours? HELL yes. Even though the Myrmidon is clearly disgusting and heretical, etc. >.> |
Rhavas
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
163
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Posted - 2013.06.01 23:47:00 -
[88] - Quote
Love the idea Fozzie. Doooooo it. Author of Interstellar Privateer Shattered Planets, Wormholes and Game Commentary |
Sugar Kyle
The humbleless Crew
252
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Posted - 2013.06.01 23:48:00 -
[89] - Quote
This would be delightful and I am a Sleipnir pilot. Tilde soaked words from something kinda like a pirate. |
Drew Solaert
Wildcard Inc.
268
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Posted - 2013.06.01 23:55:00 -
[90] - Quote
The Eos as a Myrm hull would be glorious. That sexy blue colour is screaming out for that hull tbfh I lied :o
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Divi Filus
New Xenocracy
0
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Posted - 2013.06.01 23:57:00 -
[91] - Quote
I am absolutely in favor of this. Kaalakiota Drake...yes, please. |
Lenier Chenal
Offensive Upholder Upholders
55
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Posted - 2013.06.02 00:02:00 -
[92] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:This is something I've been thinking about during my predesign for the command ships.
I'll start with this disclaimer, we will never feel that we need to make hull designs match the function of every ship. So there's no NEED to switch the hulls on any command ships. This is not something we've decided to do, but it is something we could do and would like your opinions on.
It might be interesting to convert half the command ships into the other BC hull, picking the one that matches their weapon type at the T1 level.
That would (potentially) mean:
Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull This is the kind of thing that we'd expect many people would have strong opinions about, and since it wouldn't have direct gameplay effects we wouldn't consider it worth doing unless there was some significant community support for the idea that overwhelms the opposition.
So, hypothetically, what do you guys think?
Make it so. |
Kenrailae
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
11
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Posted - 2013.06.02 00:03:00 -
[93] - Quote
Love it! Do eeet naowwww!!! You still have time to recode it before Odyssey! :D
Yay Fozzie!
The Law is a point of View |
HazeInADaze
L'Avant Garde
51
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Posted - 2013.06.02 00:06:00 -
[94] - Quote
The Myrm Hull is just too good to be used only once. |
BadAssMcKill
Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
264
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Posted - 2013.06.02 00:12:00 -
[95] - Quote
YESYESYESYESYES Starships were meant to fly~
http://i.imgur.com/6j6cIZE.gif |
Kel hound
Lycosa Syndicate Surely You're Joking
42
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Posted - 2013.06.02 00:13:00 -
[96] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:Cards on the table, the Sleipnir is the ship I have the greatest emotional attachment to of any ship in EVE. It would look great as a Hurricane, but it would also look DIFFERENT and that makes me feel confused feelings deep inside my heart.
I also don't think this kind of change would be worthwhile unless we did all four and converted them into those specific hulls, since any deviation would make it harder for a new player trying to get information from their looks.
So it's kinda an all or nothing deal, which is what makes it such a difficult question.
If its all or nothing then watch me push all my chips to the center cuz I'm all in. |
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
196
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Posted - 2013.06.02 00:14:00 -
[97] - Quote
Decided I'd post this up. If the Claymore became a Hurricane hull instead of the Sleipnir, it would probably look close to this.
http://i.imgur.com/gVfxxNZ.jpg
You can imagine the missile hardpoints for yourself. |
Gnoshia
Section 8. Fatal Ascension
45
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Posted - 2013.06.02 00:23:00 -
[98] - Quote
YES |
Six Strangelove
FinFleet Raiden.
5
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Posted - 2013.06.02 00:25:00 -
[99] - Quote
To quote someone from another forum:
All the assault ships follow the 'one hull per race' rule All the recon ships follow the 'one hull per race' rule All the interceptors follow the 'one hull per race' rule
Admittedly the HACs don't, so let's just ignore them for the sake of the argument.
To me the Sleipnir and Absolution are iconic, their hulls part of their personality. I know this theoretical new Sleipnicane and Absobinger would probably have the same stats and be flown the same way, but if things are just being done for appearance's sake, I'd just soon enough be keeping the old appearances.
Also the Prophecy hull looks a lot better than the Harb's. |
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
196
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Posted - 2013.06.02 00:33:00 -
[100] - Quote
Six Strangelove wrote:To quote someone from another forum: All the assault ships follow the 'one hull per race' rule All the recon ships follow the 'one hull per race' rule All the interceptors follow the 'one hull per race' ruleAdmittedly the HACs don't, so let's just ignore them for the sake of the argument. To me the Sleipnir and Absolution are iconic, their hulls part of their personality. I know this theoretical new Sleipnicane and Absobinger would probably have the same stats and be flown the same way, but if things are just being done for appearance's sake, I'd just soon enough be keeping the old appearances. Also the Prophecy hull looks a lot better than the Harb's.
To be fair, the Interceptors are based on the race's "Go-fast" hull, of which each race only has one. If a second go-fast hull were added, it's entirely possible one of the existing interceptors would use it.
Assault ships are based on each race's "Kick everything's ass" hull. There may be multiple of these so it's something that could be considered and debated and such.
Recon Ships use the only cruiser hull that's not already some other T2 ship. If more cruiser hulls were added, it could be said "Make the new hull replace one of the recon hulls".
Part of why this is such a viable idea is because the Battlecruisers split weapon types between them on the T1 level as well as on the T2 level, but only use one of the two available hulls (we're ignoring ABCs for this). As a result, there's more than enough room for this kind of change and it only seems completely logical. |
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Xiao Zhanshi
1st Steps Academy Fidelas Constans
2
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Posted - 2013.06.02 00:36:00 -
[101] - Quote
I don't really use these forums, but I had to log in and comment on this thread: Please make this happen. Now I somewhat regret not skilling up to command ships before Odyssey. |
Khoharis Asanari
Praetorian Guard of Honour Praetorian Directorate
7
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Posted - 2013.06.02 00:40:00 -
[102] - Quote
I'd really love to see the Nighthawk in a Drake hull! |
Kenrailae
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
11
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Posted - 2013.06.02 00:40:00 -
[103] - Quote
Six Strangelove wrote:To quote someone from another forum: All the assault ships follow the 'one hull per race' rule All the recon ships follow the 'one hull per race' rule All the interceptors follow the 'one hull per race' ruleAdmittedly the HACs don't, so let's just ignore them for the sake of the argument. To me the Sleipnir and Absolution are iconic, their hulls part of their personality. I know this theoretical new Sleipnicane and Absobinger would probably have the same stats and be flown the same way, but if things are just being done for appearance's sake, I'd just soon enough be keeping the old appearances. Also the Prophecy hull looks a lot better than the Harb's.
The Prophecy looks more defensive than the Harb, yes. The Harb has a much leaner, aggressive appearance, IMO. You could probably just pretty much do a random draw out of a hat at this point and it wouldn't make too much difference though, seeing how much ships are changing courtesy Tiericide. I mean, not so long ago the Cyclone was a turret/neut boat more than anything else, though there were certainly people that went turret/missiles. Ferox has been known to fit AC's quite often despite it's bonuses to hybrids, and the Myrm.... well.... Jack of all trades, but a fine ship all the same, capable of doing anything except fit missiles(which they should, just because they can do everything else lol). CCP could Easily go any direction with this, but a million times yes, use all 8 hulls for the command ships :D The Law is a point of View |
Kuning
Obstergo Polarized.
36
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Posted - 2013.06.02 00:40:00 -
[104] - Quote
Please don't touch my Sleipnir.
Thanks |
SMT008
SnaiLs aNd FroGs Verge of Collapse
595
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Posted - 2013.06.02 00:42:00 -
[105] - Quote
I'm all for it Fozzie !
Yes, even for the Sleipnir change. There are currently 3 Cyclone hulls and a single Hurricane hull. Wouldn't hurt to have a T2 Cane.
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Six Strangelove
FinFleet Raiden.
5
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Posted - 2013.06.02 00:44:00 -
[106] - Quote
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:...and it only seems completely logical.
Logical, perhaps. But needed?
I like these ships as they are, thanks.
This idea feels more like DB housekeeping than gameplay enhancement.
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Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
199
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Posted - 2013.06.02 00:51:00 -
[107] - Quote
Six Strangelove wrote:Alvatore DiMarco wrote:...and it only seems completely logical. Logical, perhaps. But needed? I like these ships as they are, thanks. This idea feels more like DB housekeeping than gameplay enhancement.
Sometimes a little houskeeping is necessary instead of just constantly adding new things. This is especially true with CCP's new focus on making ship progression obvious and having new players able to tell which ship leads to which.
To be fair though, who's to say that having a Kaalakiota Drake won't enhance some Nighthawk pilot's gameplay or that some Eos pilot won't love their ship even more as a black-and-blue CreoDron Myrmidon? Maybe that Sleipnir pilot you narrowly defeated will feel more psyched flying a T2 Hurricane and be the one who wins next time. "Gameplay Enhancement" isn't always the same thing to everyone. |
Boltorano
Owner Operated Transport Service
29
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Posted - 2013.06.02 00:51:00 -
[108] - Quote
This has been an obvious thing to do for years.
Do it! |
Sanadras Riahn
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
26
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Posted - 2013.06.02 00:51:00 -
[109] - Quote
This has my vote; I like the idea of having multiple hulls for Command Ships. "This is our way of wisdom, warrior. To be true. To be full. To include our hearts in every aspect of what we do. --- Let those that fly cold numbers be the Amarr. We fly better than that."---Alica Wildfire, inscribed on the inside and outer shell of Sanadras' Capsule. |
Sarrdonous
Phoenix of the Black Sun
1
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Posted - 2013.06.02 00:57:00 -
[110] - Quote
I'm a long time Sleipnir pilot, and as iconic as the current hull may be, it doesn't make me want to see it with a Hurricane hull any less. It would be quite awesome.
I'm voting in favor of this change, and would like to see this happen. |
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Oddsodz
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
60
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Posted - 2013.06.02 00:59:00 -
[111] - Quote
Eos in a Myrmidon hull would make me scrrem with joy like a little girl. Or wait. I am a little girl
(not really) |
MyrddinBishop
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
19
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Posted - 2013.06.02 01:02:00 -
[112] - Quote
Would love to see the EOS as a Myrmidon Hull on the other hand not too keen on seeing my Sleipnir looking like a Hurricane. Not sure exactly why I feel that way I just do. However if I have to fly a Command ship that looks like the Cane to get a Myrmidon style CS I will take it. |
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
199
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Posted - 2013.06.02 01:09:00 -
[113] - Quote
Thought I'd take a tally. As of this post, it looks like roughly like this:
In Support of: ~74
Opposed to: ~15
Now that I've made a bookmark of sorts, I'll probably go back and count much more carefully. Some replies a little ambiguous, though. |
Aarin Wrath
Dominion Strategic
17
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Posted - 2013.06.02 01:09:00 -
[114] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:This is something I've been thinking about during my predesign for the command ships.
I'll start with this disclaimer, we will never feel that we need to make hull designs match the function of every ship. So there's no NEED to switch the hulls on any command ships. This is not something we've decided to do, but it is something we could do and would like your opinions on.
It might be interesting to convert half the command ships into the other BC hull, picking the one that matches their weapon type at the T1 level.
That would (potentially) mean:
Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull This is the kind of thing that we'd expect many people would have strong opinions about, and since it wouldn't have direct gameplay effects we wouldn't consider it worth doing unless there was some significant community support for the idea that overwhelms the opposition.
So, hypothetically, what do you guys think?
Hypothetically ... sounds like a great idea to me ...
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Ketplunk
Boris Johnson's Love Children
14
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Posted - 2013.06.02 01:14:00 -
[115] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:This is something I've been thinking about during my predesign for the command ships.
I'll start with this disclaimer, we will never feel that we need to make hull designs match the function of every ship. So there's no NEED to switch the hulls on any command ships. This is not something we've decided to do, but it is something we could do and would like your opinions on.
It might be interesting to convert half the command ships into the other BC hull, picking the one that matches their weapon type at the T1 level.
That would (potentially) mean:
Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull This is the kind of thing that we'd expect many people would have strong opinions about, and since it wouldn't have direct gameplay effects we wouldn't consider it worth doing unless there was some significant community support for the idea that overwhelms the opposition.
So, hypothetically, what do you guys think?
Sounds awesome, though I do love the Nighthawk the way it is :P |
Aquila Sagitta
Risk-Averse PLEASE NOT VIOLENCE OUR BOATS
35
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Posted - 2013.06.02 01:21:00 -
[116] - Quote
sliep = hurricane hull?
YES YES YES YES
I love the hurricane hull and this would give me a reason to fly the hull again |
Erik Leifsson
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
1
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Posted - 2013.06.02 01:25:00 -
[117] - Quote
Definitely a yes to this |
Xhieron
Sanctum Mercatoris
0
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Posted - 2013.06.02 01:32:00 -
[118] - Quote
T2 Myrm is something from on high, no doubt. That said, my only hesitation is rooted in the possibility of another class of T2 BCs coming down the pipe post-Odyssey. Maybe not likely, but never impossible, and I wouldn't want to see the long-term result of this change be greater confusion for new pilots. "So, wait, two of them turn into Command ships? What about the third one? Oh. ... Why didn't they just make the second one something else too?"
Sure, HACs don't make much sense post-tiericide either, but at least with Cruiser hulls you've got a half dozen hulls per race and plenty of other T2 options. For BCs, Command is all there is right now. Imagine if each race had two Marauder hulls and one BLOPS. Would be a little weird. And yes, I realize Fleet and Field aren't the same thing, but now with this patch things are going from a fuzzy distinction to a different kind of fuzzy distinction.
I think if this change goes through, you might as well bite the bullet and develop a third Command ship for the remaining BC hulls. If you don't though--and you've got good cause not to--I'd be very interested to see what the eventual non-Command T2 BC looks like.
Having said all that, I wholly endorse a T2 Myrm. ... Also a Talos and Hyperion. When you get around to it. |
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
199
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Posted - 2013.06.02 01:34:00 -
[119] - Quote
Xhieron wrote:T2 Myrm is something from on high, no doubt. That said, my only hesitation is rooted in the possibility of another class of T2 BCs coming down the pipe post-Odyssey. Maybe not likely, but never impossible, and I wouldn't want to see the long-term result of this change be greater confusion for new pilots. "So, wait, two of them turn into Command ships? What about the third one? Oh. ... Why didn't they just make the second one something else too?"
Sure, HACs don't make much sense post-tiericide either, but at least with Cruiser hulls you've got a half dozen hulls per race and plenty of other T2 options. For BCs, Command is all there is right now. Imagine if each race had two Marauder hulls and one BLOPS. Would be a little weird. And yes, I realize Fleet and Field aren't the same thing, but now with this patch things are going from a fuzzy distinction to a different kind of fuzzy distinction.
I think if this change goes through, you might as well bite the bullet and develop a third Command ship for the remaining BC hulls. If you don't though--and you've got good cause not to--I'd be very interested to see what the eventual non-Command T2 BC looks like.
Having said all that, I wholly endorse a T2 Myrm. ... Also a Talos and Hyperion. When you get around to it.
While ship design in terms of actual game balance and mechanics is outside the scope of this thread, I do want to say that it's probably worth being afraid of whatever the ABCs turn into as T2 variants. That raises the answer to your hesitation, though. If a third command ship for each race is introduced, there are already the ABC hulls that can be used. |
Galphii
Clandestine Vector THE SPACE P0LICE
147
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Posted - 2013.06.02 01:36:00 -
[120] - Quote
I definitely want to see the hulls switched. I know it's extra work for the team, but players really appreciate graphical nuances like this. A modified drake hull to become a nighthawk, along with command ship fixes, would be sexy! X |
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Liu Valitore
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.06.02 01:37:00 -
[121] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:This is something I've been thinking about during my predesign for the command ships. ... That would (potentially) mean:
Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull ... So, hypothetically, what do you guys think?
I think this is an awesome idea, though I can only truly speak from a Khanid(my main) perspective: I would love to see the abso as a Harby, it would lend even more distinction to the Khanid "Dark Amarr" side of things with the Damnation being different from the Empire's Absolution. |
Sante Ixnay
University of Caille Gallente Federation
10
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Posted - 2013.06.02 01:37:00 -
[122] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:I'll start with this disclaimer, we will never feel that we need to make hull designs match the function of every ship.
Let me take this opportunity to say I still lay awake on some forlorn nights, seething with indignation yall switched the Cheetah from the quintessential covops hull--the Vigil-- a hundred and fifty years and thirty-one dev teams ago. /neverforget
Anyway, back in the modern era, I love the Sleip the way it is. The others I've no attachment to. |
Ydnari
Estrale Frontiers Project Wildfire
195
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Posted - 2013.06.02 01:49:00 -
[123] - Quote
Bear in mind that this would have a game play effect on the people who build these ships (which includes me). Whilst the hull change makes sense, it presumably has to change the base hull for invention and manufacturing, which would screw over people who have a large investment in the current hulls - and that would not make me happy :-\ -- |
Takara Mora
University of Caille Gallente Federation
56
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Posted - 2013.06.02 01:51:00 -
[124] - Quote
+ 1 - could never figure out why this wasn't already done! |
sera leonza
University of Caille Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.06.02 01:53:00 -
[125] - Quote
Sounds good.
Not sure the Drake would look right with the A-Team van stripes though |
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
203
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Posted - 2013.06.02 01:53:00 -
[126] - Quote
Ydnari wrote:Bear in mind that this would have a game play effect on the people who build these ships (which includes me). Whilst the hull change makes sense, it presumably has to change the base hull for invention and manufacturing, which would screw over people who have a large investment in the current hulls - and that would not make me happy :-\
It wouldn't "screw over" anyone. You can continue making Command Ships with the existing hulls, it just adds a second hull to the mix. T1 BCs that are still not terribly popular becoming components of popular T2 BCs isn't a bad thing for the economy and popular T1 BCs also becoming part of popular T2 BCs is a good thing for manufacturers as well.
sera leonza wrote:Sounds good. Not sure the Drake would look right with the A-Team van stripes though
I posted a mock-up of the Kaalakiota Drake (Nighthawk is a Kaalakiota Ferox atm) on Page 4. Credit goes to Apricot Baby of the Caldari Prime Pony Club. |
Junko Sideswipe
Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
174
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Posted - 2013.06.02 01:54:00 -
[127] - Quote
Myrm hull model is kawaii. Confederation of xXPIZZAXx CEO Watch PIZZA Videos http://www.youtube.com/user/LunchSquad |
Maximus Andendare
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
240
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Posted - 2013.06.02 04:10:00 -
[128] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:This is something I've been thinking about during my predesign for the command ships.
I'll start with this disclaimer, we will never feel that we need to make hull designs match the function of every ship. So there's no NEED to switch the hulls on any command ships. This is not something we've decided to do, but it is something we could do and would like your opinions on.
It might be interesting to convert half the command ships into the other BC hull, picking the one that matches their weapon type at the T1 level.
That would (potentially) mean:
Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull This is the kind of thing that we'd expect many people would have strong opinions about, and since it wouldn't have direct gameplay effects we wouldn't consider it worth doing unless there was some significant community support for the idea that overwhelms the opposition.
So, hypothetically, what do you guys think? I think it would such a great change to Command Ships. It'd keep the unique flavor of their T1 hull living on in their T2 iterations.
I think it'd be a bit of a change, yes, but I think overall it'd be healthy for the game and keep Command ships fresh.
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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
3566
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Posted - 2013.06.02 04:17:00 -
[129] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:That would (potentially) mean:
Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull This is the kind of thing that we'd expect many people would have strong opinions about GǪ
My strong opinion is that if you got this done tomorrow, it would be about five years late!
WHY IS THE NIGHTHAWK A MISSILE-SHOOTING FEROX?
Of course the other option is to retcon it all like you did for using the incursus as the basis for the Ishkur instead of the Imicus (that's been retconned now, no need to change the models, besides the Ishkur is awesome).
Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |
Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
350
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Posted - 2013.06.02 04:21:00 -
[130] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:That would (potentially) mean:
Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull No, I wouldn't like this optical change. Mostly because I'm not very fond of the Myrm, Drake and Cane hulls.
Also, as a Khanid pilot I have to add: Do not mess with the black beauty !
Remove insurance. |
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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
3566
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Posted - 2013.06.02 04:21:00 -
[131] - Quote
Ydnari wrote:Bear in mind that this would have a game play effect on the people who build these ships (which includes me). Whilst the hull change makes sense, it presumably has to change the base hull for invention and manufacturing, which would screw over people who have a large investment in the current hulls - and that would not make me happy :-\
You would pass the cost of the upgrade over to the consumers. Or perhaps CCP could allow people with a track record of inventing command ships to nominate some batch of T1 battlecruisers (e.g.: your feroxes) to be converted to the other T1 battlecruiser (e.g.: drakes), and convert the appropriate BPO to the same.
It would be what, three weeks of hardship while you retool your production line and clear out your previous production?
Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |
Allandri
Liandri Industrial Liandri Covenant
33
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Posted - 2013.06.02 04:23:00 -
[132] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:This is something I've been thinking about during my predesign for the command ships.
I'll start with this disclaimer, we will never feel that we need to make hull designs match the function of every ship. So there's no NEED to switch the hulls on any command ships. This is not something we've decided to do, but it is something we could do and would like your opinions on.
It might be interesting to convert half the command ships into the other BC hull, picking the one that matches their weapon type at the T1 level.
That would (potentially) mean:
Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull This is the kind of thing that we'd expect many people would have strong opinions about, and since it wouldn't have direct gameplay effects we wouldn't consider it worth doing unless there was some significant community support for the idea that overwhelms the opposition.
So, hypothetically, what do you guys think?
+1
As soon as humanly possible by the way |
Fibian Virpio
Shockwave Innovations Surely You're Joking
1
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Posted - 2013.06.02 04:40:00 -
[133] - Quote
Kaalakiota drake!
*swoon* |
Sarmatiko
1172
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Posted - 2013.06.02 04:50:00 -
[134] - Quote
Please don't touch my Sleipnir and Nighthawk
I want Sleipnir, not Brutor Hurricane; Nighthawk, not Kaalakiota Drake. And while this thread is ongoing, silent change of models will cause another inevitable shitstorm on forums, because as always major part of the community will be unaware about this.
If you like to change something so iconic - make proper playerbase-wide poll first. -¥ |
Erutpar Ambient
Real Nice And Laidback Corporation Black Core Alliance
25
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Posted - 2013.06.02 05:04:00 -
[135] - Quote
Yes we can! Change is coming!
Dear art team, make them look mo badder than ever! |
Ertai Erquilenne
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
2
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Posted - 2013.06.02 05:26:00 -
[136] - Quote
Voicing my support for the change. The Myrm would make a great Eos. I'd hate to see the Nighthawk changed, but it makes sense, just like the other changes. I'm 100% for the change. |
Dr Felonius
Civilian Purposes Limited
1
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Posted - 2013.06.02 05:29:00 -
[137] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:That would (potentially) mean:
Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull
This idea is so self-evidently excellent as to be essentially mandatory for the winter release.
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Lord Eremet
The Seatbelts
8
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Posted - 2013.06.02 05:32:00 -
[138] - Quote
Leave the Sleip and Nighthawk alone. Same goes for vulture och Abso.
You can change the Eos if you like - its a crap ship with a crap bonus. |
kai il
I Own Four Sheep Nyratic
2
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Posted - 2013.06.02 05:35:00 -
[139] - Quote
leave them alone, you already changed the cyclone to missiles so I cant use ACs on it and have to use a sleipnir, dont ruin this ship for me to. |
Azrael Dinn
The 20th Legion Mildly Sober
114
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Posted - 2013.06.02 05:39:00 -
[140] - Quote
yes please
i have also been wondering why the hulls have sayd the same. |
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Veyer Erastus
Red-dormice
17
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Posted - 2013.06.02 05:48:00 -
[141] - Quote
Please, spare Sleipnir. It's one of the most beautiful Minm ships, with Cyclone being missile oriented and Claymore link oriented. |
Sushi Nardieu
Bite Me inc Bitten.
128
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Posted - 2013.06.02 06:06:00 -
[142] - Quote
not really that pumped for this change but I don't strongly oppose it either. The Guns of Knowledge-á |
XXSketchxx
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
320
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Posted - 2013.06.02 06:15:00 -
[143] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:This is something I've been thinking about during my predesign for the command ships.
I'll start with this disclaimer, we will never feel that we need to make hull designs match the function of every ship. So there's no NEED to switch the hulls on any command ships. This is not something we've decided to do, but it is something we could do and would like your opinions on.
It might be interesting to convert half the command ships into the other BC hull, picking the one that matches their weapon type at the T1 level.
That would (potentially) mean:
Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull This is the kind of thing that we'd expect many people would have strong opinions about, and since it wouldn't have direct gameplay effects we wouldn't consider it worth doing unless there was some significant community support for the idea that overwhelms the opposition.
So, hypothetically, what do you guys think?
Please don't make my nighthawk ugly.
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DeLindsay
Galaxies Fall
193
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Posted - 2013.06.02 06:17:00 -
[144] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:That would (potentially) mean:
Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull Do eet, DO IT NAOW!! The Myrmidon has always been my favorite ship and I would fly the EOS constantly if it looked like the Myrmidon but was a superior Drone Boat like the Devs have hinted at, with 125mb bandwidth and a Drone bay larger than the Myrm (but smaller than the Domi/Ishtar).
Quote:Please don't make my nighthawk ugly. The Nighthawks is already ugly, but making it look like a Drake isn't all that much of an improvement. The Sleipnir as the Cane would be very nice. The Operative:-á"There are a lot of innocent people being killed in the air right now".
Capt. Malcolm Reynolds:-á"You have no idea how true that is". |
Alejan Gerakh
Homicidal Teddy Bears
4
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Posted - 2013.06.02 06:19:00 -
[145] - Quote
Veyer Erastus wrote:Please, spare Sleipnir. It's one of the most beautiful Minm ships, with Cyclone being missile oriented and Claymore link oriented. Considering they appear to be changing Command Ships so there won't be a 'link oriented' one or a 'dedicated combat' one, your last point seems moot.
As for my opinion, as a Minmatar pilot and longtime fan and pilot of the Hurricane, I actually look forward to a proper Tech 2 variant in the form of a revised Sleipnir. "Sounds like a bad case of pikal envy, if you ask me."
"They called the Enterprise a garbage scow! Sir."
Chaotic Good - The ends justify blowing $#!t up. |
Siempre Duskwraith
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
1
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Posted - 2013.06.02 06:31:00 -
[146] - Quote
So this is how I watch my beloved Nighthawk get it model changed to what I think is possibly the ugliest ship in the game.
Please don't. I have an alt just for the Nighthawk. If you are actually going to do this tell me now so I can cancel it. I wish I was kidding. |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
3566
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Posted - 2013.06.02 06:32:00 -
[147] - Quote
Mara Pahrdi wrote:Also, as a Khanid pilot I have to add: Do not mess with the black beauty !
The Damnation isn't on the list :P
Both the Prophecy and Damnation are missile boats, so everything's just fine and dandy there! Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |
Veyer Erastus
Red-dormice
17
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Posted - 2013.06.02 06:42:00 -
[148] - Quote
Alejan Gerakh wrote:Veyer Erastus wrote:Please, spare Sleipnir. It's one of the most beautiful Minm ships, with Cyclone being missile oriented and Claymore link oriented. Considering they appear to be changing Command Ships so there won't be a 'link oriented' one or a 'dedicated combat' one, your last point seems moot. As for my opinion, as a Minmatar pilot and longtime fan and pilot of the Hurricane, I actually look forward to a proper Tech 2 variant in the form of a revised Sleipnir.
If you read dev blog you know that Claymore is becoming missile ship. Which means there will be no Cyclone hull with projectile weaponry. You want some diversity in hulls - give cane model to Claymore. Than we will have projectile&missile canes and projectile&missile cyclones. Don't dump one of the most awesome Minmatar hulls on missile dump. |
PavlikX
You are in da lock
66
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Posted - 2013.06.02 06:58:00 -
[149] - Quote
As someone said before, prophecy hull looks like more armored, meantime harbinger is not. I don't like it. People voting "yes" for all 4 ships, meaning only one or two. If it possible it would be great if absolution will use the old hull.
And yes, one more thing. People making compares about roles and weapons of t1 hulls. If t1 hull have missiles, t2 must have missiles too. With prophecy this works even better. Prophecy hull have armor resists bonuses, can be armed with missiles and laser turrets both. T2 variant looks like continuation of main idea in two directions. |
Jhon Brown
Somali Coast Guard BootCamp
1
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Posted - 2013.06.02 07:17:00 -
[150] - Quote
Pretend the Sleipnir is the Launcher and just leave it alone
Hurricane is a beautiful hull, but I also really like the Cyclone. I vote to leave them as-is. |
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Jeune
Anomalous Existence Disavowed.
9
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Posted - 2013.06.02 07:21:00 -
[151] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:
That would (potentially) mean:
Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull ... what do you guys think?
This. Now, if not sooner. |
Marlona Sky
D00M. Northern Coalition.
3818
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Posted - 2013.06.02 07:43:00 -
[152] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:
- Eos would use the Myrm hull
- Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull
- Abso would use the Harb hull
- Nighthawk would use the Drake hull
I think this needs to happen. Do it!
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SanshaGrey
The Scope Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2013.06.02 07:56:00 -
[153] - Quote
As I've already stated in my previous message I definitely like the idea of assigning different hulls for each and every t2 ship. Now I would like to say a word or two about it's implementation as I believe that current tiericide initiative produced some really good background for it.
If we want to assign any t2 ship a [cool, shiny and AWESOME] hull that suits it's role, we really have to be able to answer two simple questions and those are: what role does that t2 ship have AND what hull suits that role best? The tiericide in it's current state got the second question covered - all hulls are now assigned distinct roles and are unlikely to change them in the foreseeable future. The first question is to be answered by the further tiericide as AFAIK CCP will sooner or later rebalance and tweak ALL ships in the game including faction and t2.
One more important thing to notice is the Stealth Bomber case. As you surely know, SBs got nice new hulls that are based on t1 variants yet are touched by divine designers hand to become WAY cooler.
I actually think it would be great to combine SB-like redesign and hull assignment and deliver small number of redesigned t2 ships with every expansion.
So what do you think? |
Shereza
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
122
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Posted - 2013.06.02 07:56:00 -
[154] - Quote
Honestly, I loved the old 7 blaster 5 T2 heavy eos. Changing it over to the myrmidon hull might give it a "clean break" of sorts from its former glory and its transition to the CreoDron(e) ship it should have transitioned into when it was mauled (nerf is too kind), but in doing so it will lose all reason for restoring its chin dish. I miss that little doohickey.
That said...
I think I'd rather see the field command ships use the (formerly) tier 3 BC hulls and incorporate the battleship-sized weapon aspect into their design from the start.
Oracle -> Absolution Naga -> Nighthawk Talos -> Astarte Tornado -> Sleipnir
Strictly speaking the Naga is counter-intuitive, and the Astarte on a brutix hull looks awesome, however if we were to delineate between fleet and field command based on function and assign battleship-sized guns to field command ships to help with that differentiation it makes a kind of sense to go this route. Also a Naga with cruise launchers up and down its arms/legs firing off volleys of 8 missiles a pop would just look awesome.
That would leave the battlecruiser hulls that are not getting navy variants open for usage as the new fleet command hull.
Myrmidon -> Eos Prophecy -> Damnation Ferox -> Vulture Cyclone -> Claymore
At this point it might be worthwhile to consider consolidating ship design options between Boundless Creation and Core Complexion and splitting them up based on the dual weapon nature of Minmatar design philosophy. Specifically consider designing Core Complexion ships, and incidentally the Claymore, to make use of missile bonuses and have Boundless Creation handle the gun-bonused ships. Of course this would probably also require swapping the Hound out to be a CC ship instead of a BC ship as a result as it would make more sense to have the missile-oriented manufacturer handle the stealth bomber.
Just some thoughts that I don't really expect to be popular, especially the idea of modifying field command ships to sport large turrets/launchers and mucking with Minmatar T2 ship design philosophy. Of course that latter group might not be too miffed given that the only Core Complexion ship that's seriously dedicated to gun-based damage is the Tempest Fleet Issue, and that ship's perhaps only a "kinda/sorta" CC ship. All the others have non-damaging combat aspects that might mesh better with missiles than projectiles. Might. |
Spyker Slater
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
24
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Posted - 2013.06.02 07:58:00 -
[155] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull I don't care too much about these, but if you guys touch my beautiful black Damnation, I'm rioting! |
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
210
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Posted - 2013.06.02 08:12:00 -
[156] - Quote
Spyker Slater wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:
Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull I don't care too much about these, but if you guys touch my beautiful black Damnation, I'm rioting!
If you notice, the Damnation isn't in that list. |
Verity Sovereign
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
439
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Posted - 2013.06.02 08:33:00 -
[157] - Quote
Meh, I like the look of the "tier 1" (though its now an outdated term) more than the Tier 2 BCs, so I'm going to give a mild no. |
Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate
1150
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Posted - 2013.06.02 08:33:00 -
[158] - Quote
I have no problem with those changes |
Morgan North
The Wild Bunch The Empty Mirror
130
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Posted - 2013.06.02 08:38:00 -
[159] - Quote
+1.
All There is to it.
Althought I'm more partial to the Claymore being the Hurricane hull, than the Sleipnir. |
Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate
1151
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Posted - 2013.06.02 08:48:00 -
[160] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:Threestep wrote:I like it. Would they still keep their corp/paint schemes? Yes, they'd have the same paintjob as before, just with different hulls. The art guys have also been slowly updating many T2 ships to have modified geometry compared to the T2 hulls, so either way someday the command ships will likely end up being a bit different, but that would likely come later. Yay |
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Rembraan
Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
13
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Posted - 2013.06.02 08:56:00 -
[161] - Quote
Do it, Fozzie! |
PavlikX
You are in da lock
66
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Posted - 2013.06.02 09:10:00 -
[162] - Quote
Voting people must post what ships they use. Looks like absolution's pilots, like me, against this change |
Angelhunter
Conquering Darkness
17
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Posted - 2013.06.02 09:38:00 -
[163] - Quote
You stay the hell away from my Sleipnir Fozzie, I MEAN IT!
This ranks up there with some of the biggest "Why?" questions i have ever seen. The ships all look great as they are. Turning the Nighthawk into a Drake is comical though, i will give you that. |
RatKnight1
Conquering Darkness
42
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Posted - 2013.06.02 09:40:00 -
[164] - Quote
Fozzie... I like you...
If you touch my command ship hulls and turn them into some nasty looking shadow of their former selves, I swear, I will find your pod, I will kill your pod, I will fly with your corpse strapped to the front end of my ship.
On a related note, can you create a "corpse slot" for us to attach corpses to the nose of our ships?... you know, just in case.
Thanks! |
Theodore Giumbix
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2013.06.02 09:54:00 -
[165] - Quote
Pics please The Tek - a show that covers hardware, pc games, indie games, legal policies that pertain to technology, the internet, and nerd culture. Please sign: Disabling the clouds in anomalies/signatures/missions |
Sarmatiko
1172
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Posted - 2013.06.02 09:55:00 -
[166] - Quote
Theodore Giumbix wrote:Pics please Video currently uploading. Will update post in 1 hour. -¥ |
Dan-ielle
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2013.06.02 09:56:00 -
[167] - Quote
Horrible idea.
Do not want. |
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
210
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Posted - 2013.06.02 10:03:00 -
[168] - Quote
Theodore Giumbix wrote:Pics please
I posted some on Page 4, but I'll repost them here too. I don't have mock-ups of all four ships, but I do have two of them. These are not exact models, as firstly the exact models don't currently exist and secondly they're rendered using a Borderlands 2 style cel shader created by the artist. Nevertheless, they're sufficient for hypothetical purposes.
Since the Nighthawk is technically a Kaalakiota Ferox, here we have the Kaalakota Drake:
http://i.imgur.com/hqeaQ.jpg
The Sleipnir is made by Boundless Creation. Since Boundless Creation is itself owned and operated by the Brutor Tribe, I present the Brutor Tribe Hurricane:
http://i.imgur.com/hiZTG.jpg
All Credit goes to Apricot Baby of the Caldari Prime Pony Club.
As of this post, 102 pilots in favor and 33 pilots against.
There may be a small margin of error, as some pilots' posts were so ambiguous that a yes/no could not be determined no matter how loosely you interpreted them. Those pilots are not being included in the count. |
Keldar Kor
Kor Logistics
0
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Posted - 2013.06.02 10:08:00 -
[169] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote: Nighthawk would use the Drake hull Ferox VS Drake hull, what a difficult, difficult choice. Nighthawk looks nice the way it is as a Ferox hull, the Drake is one of the ugliest hulls in EVE.
Instead of making the NH ugly, may I suggest making a Rokh Navy Issue, a solid brawler with some damage bonus instead of range? Caldari lack a Navy hybrid platfom and the one hybrid pirate BS there is requires Gallente/Minmatar BS. Meh.
IMHO. |
Callduron
354
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Posted - 2013.06.02 10:12:00 -
[170] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:This is something I've been thinking about during my predesign for the command ships.
I'll start with this disclaimer, we will never feel that we need to make hull designs match the function of every ship. So there's no NEED to switch the hulls on any command ships. This is not something we've decided to do, but it is something we could do and would like your opinions on.
It might be interesting to convert half the command ships into the other BC hull, picking the one that matches their weapon type at the T1 level.
That would (potentially) mean:
Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull This is the kind of thing that we'd expect many people would have strong opinions about, and since it wouldn't have direct gameplay effects we wouldn't consider it worth doing unless there was some significant community support for the idea that overwhelms the opposition.
So, hypothetically, what do you guys think?
Thumbs up.
We don't see Command ships that often and it would be better if they were more visually distinct.
Also the Cane hull fits the brutal way Sleipnirs get used in the Alliance Tournament.
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TrouserDeagle
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
264
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Posted - 2013.06.02 10:31:00 -
[171] - Quote
Yeah they're both guns, but sleipnir is about active shield tanking, like the cyclone. Hurricane is about buffer armour. |
Marc Callan
Interstellar Steel Templis Dragonaors
177
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Posted - 2013.06.02 10:36:00 -
[172] - Quote
Hypothetically, I am in favor of any plan that results in another Myrmidon-class hull.
I assume this would be done as part of the command-ship rebalance? Because at the moment, the Myrmidon has a significantly better offensive punch than the Eos, which is a bit odd... "Nevertheless a prince ought to inspire fear in such a way that, if he does not win love, he avoids hatred..." - Niccolo Machiavelli-á |
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
210
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Posted - 2013.06.02 10:36:00 -
[173] - Quote
TrouserDeagle wrote:Yeah they're both guns, but sleipnir is about active shield tanking, like the cyclone. Hurricane is about buffer armour.
To reply to your concern, the qualifying criteria here is the weapon system used on the T1 version, not about how they "should" be tanked, which is entirely too subjective and variable to be a determining factor.
Marc Callan wrote:Hypothetically, I am in favor of any plan that results in another Myrmidon-class hull.
I assume this would be done as part of the command-ship rebalance? Because at the moment, the Myrmidon has a significantly better offensive punch than the Eos, which is a bit odd...
That would be a very good time to implement the switch, as it would give time for the art department to actually make the changes to the models, quite possibly even resulting in the finalized versions being used instead of a simple hull switch now and then an update later. |
Snus Mumriken
EVE University Ivy League
21
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Posted - 2013.06.02 10:37:00 -
[174] - Quote
I like the idea of seeing more different hulls for Tech2 ships. I'm on Twitter. |
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
99
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Posted - 2013.06.02 11:01:00 -
[175] - Quote
PavlikX wrote:Voting people must post what ships they use. Looks like absolution's pilots, like me, against this change
I'm using the abso/sleip/astarte/claymore primarily for pvp on various toons. And I'd love a Boundless Creations Sleipnir. (Ganked a soft mega a couple minutes ago, was thinking how much more awesome it would be to sit in a hurricanehull instead of the current sleipnir)
Edit: If the eos is to be a myrmhull, I'll quickly order a sixpack of those about now :D |
TrouserDeagle
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
264
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Posted - 2013.06.02 11:05:00 -
[176] - Quote
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:TrouserDeagle wrote:Yeah they're both guns, but sleipnir is about active shield tanking, like the cyclone. Hurricane is about buffer armour. To reply to your concern, the qualifying criteria here is the weapon system used on the T1 version, not about how they "should" be tanked, which is entirely too subjective and variable to be a determining factor.
That's just, like, your opinion, man. |
Kallie Rae
NorCorp Security Here Be Dragons
33
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Posted - 2013.06.02 11:06:00 -
[177] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:This is something I've been thinking about during my predesign for the command ships.
I'll start with this disclaimer, we will never feel that we need to make hull designs match the function of every ship. So there's no NEED to switch the hulls on any command ships. This is not something we've decided to do, but it is something we could do and would like your opinions on.
It might be interesting to convert half the command ships into the other BC hull, picking the one that matches their weapon type at the T1 level.
That would (potentially) mean:
Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull This is the kind of thing that we'd expect many people would have strong opinions about, and since it wouldn't have direct gameplay effects we wouldn't consider it worth doing unless there was some significant community support for the idea that overwhelms the opposition.
So, hypothetically, what do you guys think?
This sounds awesome! Do it! :D
Edit: Though don't even think about making the Sleipnir a missile ship. |
Radgette
New Eden Renegades
15
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Posted - 2013.06.02 11:07:00 -
[178] - Quote
please don't do this.
Especially when it comes to the Sleipnir and Claymore they iconic ships more so than the Cane imo.
The others i don't fly so am not so fussed about and tbh another Myrm hull would be pretty cool.
As you said though it would be all or nothing and so I have to say whole heartedly NO to this change |
To mare
Advanced Technology
196
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Posted - 2013.06.02 11:17:00 -
[179] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:This is something I've been thinking about during my predesign for the command ships.
I'll start with this disclaimer, we will never feel that we need to make hull designs match the function of every ship. So there's no NEED to switch the hulls on any command ships. This is not something we've decided to do, but it is something we could do and would like your opinions on.
It might be interesting to convert half the command ships into the other BC hull, picking the one that matches their weapon type at the T1 level.
That would (potentially) mean:
Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull This is the kind of thing that we'd expect many people would have strong opinions about, and since it wouldn't have direct gameplay effects we wouldn't consider it worth doing unless there was some significant community support for the idea that overwhelms the opposition.
So, hypothetically, what do you guys think? YES PLEASE and maybe with the CS tiericide make the the T2 version match the T1 bonus ? |
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
210
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Posted - 2013.06.02 11:18:00 -
[180] - Quote
Radgette wrote:please don't do this.
Especially when it comes to the Sleipnir and Claymore they iconic ships more so than the Cane imo.
The others i don't fly so am not so fussed about and tbh another Myrm hull would be pretty cool.
As you said though it would be all or nothing and so I have to say whole heartedly NO to this change
Since you're referencing the Claymore, I want to point out that it would remain the current black cyclone model. It will be getting messed-around-with anyway at some point though, when the art team has its unique T2 variation ready. |
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Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
210
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Posted - 2013.06.02 11:19:00 -
[181] - Quote
TrouserDeagle wrote:Alvatore DiMarco wrote:TrouserDeagle wrote:Yeah they're both guns, but sleipnir is about active shield tanking, like the cyclone. Hurricane is about buffer armour. To reply to your concern, the qualifying criteria here is the weapon system used on the T1 version, not about how they "should" be tanked, which is entirely too subjective and variable to be a determining factor. That's just, like, your opinion, man.
Proving my point.
However, Fozzie's first post in this thread does specifically mention that the weapon systems on the T1 version of each hull would determine which Command Ship gets which Battlecruiser hull.
Kallie Rae wrote: Edit: Though don't even think about making the Sleipnir a missile ship.
The Claymore is becoming the missile ship. The Sleipnir remains projectile no matter what happens. |
Theodore Giumbix
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2013.06.02 11:24:00 -
[182] - Quote
Awesome work. This must be done. The Tek - a show that covers hardware, pc games, indie games, legal policies that pertain to technology, the internet, and nerd culture. Please sign: Disabling the clouds in anomalies/signatures/missions |
David Kir
Tailender
31
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Posted - 2013.06.02 11:26:00 -
[183] - Quote
I'm all in favor of adding some graphic variety to the Command Ship class, yet I wouldn't mind the Sleipnir hull staying as it is.
This is a merely personal association, but to me, the Sleipnir "looks like serious business".
Its awkward looks have the sheer practicality one would expect from a military spacecraft.
It's much more of a Minmatar ship than the Hurricane is, in the same way that makes the Typhoon much more Minmatar than the Maelstrom.
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TrouserDeagle
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
264
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Posted - 2013.06.02 11:28:00 -
[184] - Quote
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:TrouserDeagle wrote:Alvatore DiMarco wrote:TrouserDeagle wrote:Yeah they're both guns, but sleipnir is about active shield tanking, like the cyclone. Hurricane is about buffer armour. To reply to your concern, the qualifying criteria here is the weapon system used on the T1 version, not about how they "should" be tanked, which is entirely too subjective and variable to be a determining factor. That's just, like, your opinion, man. Proving my point. However, Fozzie's first post in this thread does specifically mention that the weapon systems on the T1 version of each hull would determine which Command Ship gets which Battlecruiser hull.
He said it might be interesting. And I was saying I don't think it would make sense for the sleipnir, unless, lol, the active tanking command ships all suddenly get resist bonuses or HP or something to make them usable as command ships, rather than heavy assault BCs. |
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
99
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Posted - 2013.06.02 11:29:00 -
[185] - Quote
Theodore Giumbix wrote:Awesome work. This must be done.
Yes to that video. Especially to all but the sleipnir. Sleipnir is fine though, needs wings. |
Alyssia Benar
Tribe of the Fluffy Bunny Cave of Caerbannog
19
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Posted - 2013.06.02 11:30:00 -
[186] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:That would (potentially) mean:
Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull I dislike this. :( I really like the current models from all the command ships. |
DeLindsay
Galaxies Fall
194
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Posted - 2013.06.02 11:31:00 -
[187] - Quote
OMFG!!! The Eos as a sexier Myrmidon makes me wet myself! And honestly the Abso looked damn nice and I was surprised how good the Nighthawk looked as a Drake skin. The Cane look I expected to look good and it does. The Eos is the clear winner of the pack though if it gets the reskin.
The Operative:-á"There are a lot of innocent people being killed in the air right now".
Capt. Malcolm Reynolds:-á"You have no idea how true that is". |
Draknishar
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2013.06.02 11:32:00 -
[188] - Quote
Dear god, destroying the nighthawk? Why would you ever do something like that? :( |
Theodore Giumbix
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
9
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Posted - 2013.06.02 11:39:00 -
[189] - Quote
Draknishar wrote:Dear god, destroying the nighthawk? Why would you ever do something like that? :( Because having in Retribution 3 Ferox hulls and only 1 Drake hull or 3 Scorpion hulls and only 1 Rokh hull for Caldari sucks that's why. And because it makes more sens if the T1 hull is a missile boat, the Faction/T2 version to be a missile boat too. The Tek - a show that covers hardware, pc games, indie games, legal policies that pertain to technology, the internet, and nerd culture. Please sign: Disabling the clouds in anomalies/signatures/missions |
ExAstra
Echoes of Silence
141
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Posted - 2013.06.02 11:56:00 -
[190] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:This is something I've been thinking about during my predesign for the command ships.
I'll start with this disclaimer, we will never feel that we need to make hull designs match the function of every ship. So there's no NEED to switch the hulls on any command ships. This is not something we've decided to do, but it is something we could do and would like your opinions on.
It might be interesting to convert half the command ships into the other BC hull, picking the one that matches their weapon type at the T1 level.
That would (potentially) mean:
Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull This is the kind of thing that we'd expect many people would have strong opinions about, and since it wouldn't have direct gameplay effects we wouldn't consider it worth doing unless there was some significant community support for the idea that overwhelms the opposition.
So, hypothetically, what do you guys think? If the Eos goes to the Myrmidon hull, I will buy both the Eos and the Astarte and use them in glorious combat after tiercide. If the Sleipnir went to the Hurricane hull I probably wouldn't buy it, because I don't like the Hurricane. But I like the Claymore way better than the Sleipnir anyway. If the Nighthawk goes to the Drake hull it'd be the only time I ever used a Drake hull. That paint scheme would look good on it. If the Absolution went to the Harbinger hull, there's a 50% chance I'd sell mine to buy another Eos, haha.
Personally I think the hull changes would make sense. The Sleipnir is basically a Hurricane with a falloff bonus and active shield tank bonus (2/4 Hurricane, 1/4 Cyclone, 1/4 Random T2 bonus, while trading a low slot for a turret), so making it a Hurricane makes sense. The Absolution now gets Harbinger bonuses after tiercide (3/4 bonuses Harbinger, 1 bonus Prophecy) and honestly the Harbinger might look REALLY good as a Carthum ship. The Eos being Myrmidon makes 150% sense and I would adore that (please!). The Nighthawk going to Drake makes just as much sense with the missile bonuses, and the Drake Navy Issue is so hard to look at because of that camo I'd much rather get a Nighthawk.
But seriously CCP, do it.
Edit:
I retract my previous statement. I would not sell my Absolution. And I would totally buy that Eos. Save the drones! |
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Mangala Solaris
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
551
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Posted - 2013.06.02 11:57:00 -
[191] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull
You sold me on it.
Seriously, this would be pretty cool. Mangala Undocked |
Kueyen
Ananke Astrodynamics Terran Commonwealth
14
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Posted - 2013.06.02 11:59:00 -
[192] - Quote
Gallente: 200% approval for using the Myrmidon hull for the Eos. You will find few that oppose this (and they already got a Federation Navy Brutix, so deal with it!)
Caldari: 200% approval for using the Drake hull for the Nighthawk. I honestly do not understand people that think the Drake is ugly. A Moa is ugly. An Imicus is ugly. A Drake is a bloody work of art! Are you perhaps letting your aesthetic senses be influenced by possible (somewhat obsolete) resentment for the overpowered, n00b-friendly blob-Drake of old?
Minmatar: 200% approval for using the Hurricane hull for either the Sleipnir or the Claymore. I'm not married to either, but whichever is getting the Hurricane hull, will see me buying and flying it.
Amarr: Neutrality and indifference towards using that other Amarr BC hull for one of those Amarr command ships. I don't fly Amarr, I can barely remember their names to begin with. But consistency demands that one of them changes.
Also, remember that the plan is to make all Command Ships combat-worthy (and all of them link-worthy too), so that the former fleet CSs popularity will likely rise closer to the former field CS popularity.
In preparation to these changes, I'm bumping Command Ships up in my training plan. So say we all! (well, most of us, anyway) |
Antaeus Fantasy
Grumpy Bastards Mass Overload
3
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Posted - 2013.06.02 12:01:00 -
[193] - Quote
Fully support this idea. |
Sofia Wolf
Ubuntu Inc. The Fourth District
217
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Posted - 2013.06.02 12:02:00 -
[194] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:This is something I've been thinking about during my predesign for the command ships.
I'll start with this disclaimer, we will never feel that we need to make hull designs match the function of every ship. So there's no NEED to switch the hulls on any command ships. This is not something we've decided to do, but it is something we could do and would like your opinions on.
It might be interesting to convert half the command ships into the other BC hull, picking the one that matches their weapon type at the T1 level.
That would (potentially) mean:
Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull This is the kind of thing that we'd expect many people would have strong opinions about, and since it wouldn't have direct gameplay effects we wouldn't consider it worth doing unless there was some significant community support for the idea that overwhelms the opposition.
So, hypothetically, what do you guys think?
I presume this would also mean change in T2 research and manufacturing process/blueprints for those ships? Jessica Danikov > EVE is your real life. the rest is fantasy. caught in a corporation. no escape from banality. open up yours eyes, peer through pod good and seeeeeee. I'm just a poor pilot, I need no sympathy. because I'm easy scam, easy go, little isk, little know. anyway the solar wind blows... |
Sarmatiko
1175
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Posted - 2013.06.02 12:02:00 -
[195] - Quote
Theodore Giumbix wrote:Draknishar wrote:Dear god, destroying the nighthawk? Why would you ever do something like that? :( Because having in Retribution 3 Ferox hulls and only 1 Drake hull or 3 Scorpion hulls and only 1 Rokh hull for Caldari sucks that's why. And because it makes more sens if the T1 hull is a missile boat, the Faction/T2 version to be a missile boat too.
Now please tell to all inventors and manufacturers that they need to invest 2 billions into the new blueprint originals, just because some part of the community (not necessarily major part, we cant take forum posts/likes as precise statistics) wants totally unnecessary cosmetically changes.
"Let's change only skins, leave blueprints alone" - oh no, folks. We are talking about "proper ship changes" here, am I right?
If this change goes further then this will alienate most of current Sleipnir / Nighthawk pilots/fans. If someone already prefers current NH over Tengu then I don't think this person will take lightly change into ugly Drake. -¥ |
Mirrodin
eXceed Inc. No Holes Barred
64
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Posted - 2013.06.02 12:10:00 -
[196] - Quote
As a command ship pilot, and a lover of the Myrm hull, I absolutely support this change. Do it! |
Iris Bravemount
Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
244
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Posted - 2013.06.02 12:24:00 -
[197] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:This is something I've been thinking about during my predesign for the command ships.
I'll start with this disclaimer, we will never feel that we need to make hull designs match the function of every ship. So there's no NEED to switch the hulls on any command ships. This is not something we've decided to do, but it is something we could do and would like your opinions on.
It might be interesting to convert half the command ships into the other BC hull, picking the one that matches their weapon type at the T1 level.
That would (potentially) mean:
Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull This is the kind of thing that we'd expect many people would have strong opinions about, and since it wouldn't have direct gameplay effects we wouldn't consider it worth doing unless there was some significant community support for the idea that overwhelms the opposition.
So, hypothetically, what do you guys think?
DO IT! Why active tank bonuses are bad for you |
Verlaine Glariant
Amphysvena
39
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Posted - 2013.06.02 12:25:00 -
[198] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:This is something I've been thinking about during my predesign for the command ships.
I'll start with this disclaimer, we will never feel that we need to make hull designs match the function of every ship. So there's no NEED to switch the hulls on any command ships. This is not something we've decided to do, but it is something we could do and would like your opinions on.
It might be interesting to convert half the command ships into the other BC hull, picking the one that matches their weapon type at the T1 level.
That would (potentially) mean:
Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull This is the kind of thing that we'd expect many people would have strong opinions about, and since it wouldn't have direct gameplay effects we wouldn't consider it worth doing unless there was some significant community support for the idea that overwhelms the opposition.
So, hypothetically, what do you guys think? I think you should follow the Stealth Bombers example and create unique designs for T2 ships. Reusing hulls is pretty poor imho.
www.amphysvena.org |
Jacob Holland
Weyland-Vulcan Industries
163
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Posted - 2013.06.02 12:30:00 -
[199] - Quote
SanshaGrey wrote:Jonas Sukarala wrote:all T2 hulls would be awesome with unique models based on the appropriate hull. +1. Sound cool for me. HACs do have different hulls, why shouldn't CS and AS have them? Just imagine Kestrel-based Hawk, Tristran-based Ishkur, not to mention Hurri-Sleip. Wouldn't that be AWESOME? Hurricane Sleipnir, I think I could support; Harbi Abso, Drake Nighthawk... Not so keen on those. The Abso is why the Prophecy hull exists and the Drake hull is just so bland. Myrm Eos I'm ambivilent about...
But Tristan Ishkur? Kessie Hawk? No, never, the Merlin and Incursus are two of the coolest small hulls out there and they assault frigs should stay with them. |
Iris Bravemount
Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
244
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Posted - 2013.06.02 12:30:00 -
[200] - Quote
Destoya wrote:Alvatore DiMarco wrote: I'm fairly sure the Hurricane is more iconic.
The alliance tournament community would like to respectfully disagree
I don't want to offend anyone here, but that is a tiny part of the community as a whole. Why active tank bonuses are bad for you |
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Jonas Sukarala
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
220
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Posted - 2013.06.02 12:31:00 -
[201] - Quote
DeLindsay wrote:OMFG!!! The Eos as a sexier Myrmidon makes me wet myself! And honestly the Abso looked damn nice and I was surprised how good the Nighthawk looked as a Drake skin. The Cane model I expected to look good and it does. The Eos is the clear winner of the pack though if it gets the reskin.
I am surprised how good that myrm reskin looks .. the cane is a bit samey as the T1 version though or more like the fleet issue . It would be a good base to start from then they need to mod them to look unique and more distinguished maybe the colour scheme on the cane needs more colour and flamboyance to it. 'Tech3 ships need to be put down, like a rabid dog drooling everywhere in the house, they are out of line' CCP Ytterbium Nerf missile range into place where is the TD missile change?-á ..projectiles should use capacitor. ABC's should be T2 HABC and nerf web strength its still too high |
Amakish
EVE University Ivy League
2
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Posted - 2013.06.02 12:31:00 -
[202] - Quote
DONT MESS WITH MY SPACE CHICKEN!!!!!
no seriusly dont f*cking touch my absolution and damnation! thx bye...
if you want to give work to the art department here is a list:
redo MOA hull redo OSPREY hull redo RAVEN hull redo HOUND hull - this? http://tigaer.deviantart.com/art/EVE-Online-Blade-182413980
redo TALWAR hull - space contrainer with solar panels!!!! come on!!! change to this? http://tigaer.deviantart.com/art/EVE-Online-Blade-182413980 or http://tigaer.deviantart.com/art/Tsunami-Primary-Arrangement-181731541
redo DRAGOON - looks too much like the coercer!!! change to this? http://www.deviantart.com/art/AMARR-Shamshir-181909868
looking through the internet for inspiration is hard.... looking through contest submissions even harder!!
redo space potato hull ehh i mean DOMINIX make unique model for BHAALGORN - keep color scheme http://i39.tinypic.com/2lm46et.jpg
make unique model for VINDICATOR - keep color scheme make unique model for GILA - keep color scheme make unique model for VIGILANT - keep color cheme
redo several t3 subsystems, some of them just looks silly |
Solhild
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1043
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Posted - 2013.06.02 12:39:00 -
[203] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:This is something I've been thinking about during my predesign for the command ships.
I'll start with this disclaimer, we will never feel that we need to make hull designs match the function of every ship. So there's no NEED to switch the hulls on any command ships. This is not something we've decided to do, but it is something we could do and would like your opinions on.
It might be interesting to convert half the command ships into the other BC hull, picking the one that matches their weapon type at the T1 level.
That would (potentially) mean:
Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull This is the kind of thing that we'd expect many people would have strong opinions about, and since it wouldn't have direct gameplay effects we wouldn't consider it worth doing unless there was some significant community support for the idea that overwhelms the opposition.
So, hypothetically, what do you guys think?
I love the idea of this. Please do it. I have no problem with the invention implications of this either.
Perhaps you should be open to the option of switching T2 manufacturers to preserve the skin that best suits the ship? i.e. make Boundless Creation the manufacturer of the Claymore so it keeps the desert camo skin on the cyclone. Doing this means that Core Complexion is the manufacturer of the Sleipnir and we have a black cane
Really looking forward to the art folks making independent model derivatives for Command ships from their T1 base. |
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
216
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Posted - 2013.06.02 12:41:00 -
[204] - Quote
Solhild wrote:I love the idea of this. Please do it. I have no problem with the invention implications of this either. Perhaps you should be open to the option of switching T2 manufacturers to preserve the skin that best suits the ship? i.e. make Boundless Creation the manufacturer of the Claymore so it keeps the desert camo skin on the cyclone. Doing this means that Core Complexion is the manufacturer of the Sleipnir and we have a black cane Really looking forward to the art folks making independent model derivatives for Command ships from their T1 base.
The problem with a manufacturer change is that Boundless Creation is all about turrets, not missiles. The manufacturer of a T2 ship reflects the weapon platform and ship stats, not just the skin. |
Solhild
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1043
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Posted - 2013.06.02 12:44:00 -
[205] - Quote
Now I'd love to see what the 'tier2' hulls look like with the other manufacturer - is this possible?
I'll give you lots of internet likes if you can do this |
Beaver Retriever
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
105
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Posted - 2013.06.02 12:44:00 -
[206] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote: The art guys have also been slowly updating many T2 ships to have modified geometry compared to the T2 hulls, so either way someday the command ships will likely end up being a bit different, but that would likely come later.
While we're on the subject..
If this is going to be done, the solar panels/wingy bits on the cane hull for the Sleipnir should be removed and then placed along the top/spine of the hull, like space dinosaur fins. Or a space mohawk.
That would be cool. |
Stridsflygplan
Wolfram Corp
23
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Posted - 2013.06.02 12:46:00 -
[207] - Quote
The Sleipnir and its look is so iconic. it feels just wrong when it looks like a hurricane. Maybe would be better to make the Claymore look like an++ cane.
The Harb(Abso) feels strange now but will definitely be better with its focus on lasers.
T2 Drake looks badass love the painjob and feels much better then the current look.
The EOS is a brilliant change. This game needs more vertical ships and the drone boat theme is a perfect fit :)
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Mattie Silks
House of Mirrors
1
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Posted - 2013.06.02 12:51:00 -
[208] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote: That would (potentially) mean:
Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull
Absolutely support this. |
Solhild
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1043
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Posted - 2013.06.02 13:01:00 -
[209] - Quote
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:Solhild wrote:I love the idea of this. Please do it. I have no problem with the invention implications of this either. Perhaps you should be open to the option of switching T2 manufacturers to preserve the skin that best suits the ship? i.e. make Boundless Creation the manufacturer of the Claymore so it keeps the desert camo skin on the cyclone. Doing this means that Core Complexion is the manufacturer of the Sleipnir and we have a black cane Really looking forward to the art folks making independent model derivatives for Command ships from their T1 base. The problem with a manufacturer change is that Boundless Creation is all about turrets, not missiles. The manufacturer of a T2 ship reflects the weapon platform and ship stats, not just the skin.
A good point. Perhaps there is scope for reviewing the text that describes the 'lots of guns'/(missiles) philosophy vs. favouring electronics and defence? If the claymore/sleipnir rebalance will move them to badass missile ship / badass gun ship then the current manufacturer description doesn't work. |
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
218
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Posted - 2013.06.02 13:15:00 -
[210] - Quote
You raise a very good point. Have a Core Complexion Hurricane. http://i.imgur.com/gVfxxNZ.jpg |
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Inepsa1987
51
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Posted - 2013.06.02 13:22:00 -
[211] - Quote
As much as I want the T2 myrm, No because of Sleipnir . Spaceship Pilot. |
Violet Winters
Angelic Eclipse.
88
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Posted - 2013.06.02 13:26:00 -
[212] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:
That would (potentially) mean:
Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull
beccccauuuuse?
Another thing that doesn't need to be changed, change stuff that does actually NEED to be changed.
Violet Winters, sister of Kahlia Winters.
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Jonas Sukarala
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
220
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Posted - 2013.06.02 13:26:00 -
[213] - Quote
much nicer 'Tech3 ships need to be put down, like a rabid dog drooling everywhere in the house, they are out of line' CCP Ytterbium Nerf missile range into place where is the TD missile change?-á ..projectiles should use capacitor. ABC's should be T2 HABC and nerf web strength its still too high |
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
219
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Posted - 2013.06.02 13:30:00 -
[214] - Quote
Violet Winters wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:
That would (potentially) mean:
Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull
beccccauuuuse? Another thing that doesn't need to be changed, change stuff that does actually NEED to be changed.
What you consider changes that "NEED" to be made will probably be considered unnecessary to other people, just as you feel this is unnecessary despite other people feeling that it in fact "NEEDS" to be changed. |
Kethry Avenger
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
77
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Posted - 2013.06.02 13:40:00 -
[215] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull So, hypothetically, what do you guys think?
Yes please! Do it! |
Tuxedo Catfish
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
28
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Posted - 2013.06.02 13:43:00 -
[216] - Quote
I am down with this plan in every way except changing the Absolution model, which unfortunately is an unconditional dealbreaker. Leave the battle chicken alone. |
Romvex
477
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Posted - 2013.06.02 13:47:00 -
[217] - Quote
take all of my yeps (a¦á_a¦á) ~ Post With Your Main-á ~ (a¦á_a¦á) |
Resilan Bearcat
Fighting Carebears
7
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Posted - 2013.06.02 13:52:00 -
[218] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote: ...snip... That would (potentially) mean:
Eos would use the Myrm hull ...snip....
So, hypothetically, what do you guys think?
I love this idea! |
Omega Tron
19
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Posted - 2013.06.02 13:53:00 -
[219] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:This is something I've been thinking about during my predesign for the command ships.
I'll start with this disclaimer, we will never feel that we need to make hull designs match the function of every ship. So there's no NEED to switch the hulls on any command ships. This is not something we've decided to do, but it is something we could do and would like your opinions on.
It might be interesting to convert half the command ships into the other BC hull, picking the one that matches their weapon type at the T1 level.
That would (potentially) mean:
Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull This is the kind of thing that we'd expect many people would have strong opinions about, and since it wouldn't have direct gameplay effects we wouldn't consider it worth doing unless there was some significant community support for the idea that overwhelms the opposition.
So, hypothetically, what do you guys think?
Yes please.
And can it be a point release rather than a being tied to major release cycle?
EVE Online is CCP's sand box. -áThe sand is owned by CCP. -áWe just get to pay them a monthly fee to throw the sand at each other. -áGet over your thoughts that you have some influence on what they will add or do for you. |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
290
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Posted - 2013.06.02 13:55:00 -
[220] - Quote
I'm onboard with this change, and I just trained into CS because of how awesome the amarr ones look, but it makes sense even if the Abso might not be quite as pretty, |
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Angelus Ryan
Ama Nesciri.
34
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Posted - 2013.06.02 13:58:00 -
[221] - Quote
Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes.
I'd love to see this. |
Kenpachi Viktor
Gradient Electus Matari
252
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Posted - 2013.06.02 14:00:00 -
[222] - Quote
Mangala Solaris wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:
Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull
You sold me on it. Seriously, this would be pretty cool.
A war that wouldGÇÖve involved 20,000 players, 75% of nullsec space, and hundreds of supercapitals was halted not by diplomacy, but by a game mechanic so dreadful that those who have experienced it previously have no desire to do so again. - Fix POS & SOV |
Zverofaust
Hoover Inc. Test Alliance Please Ignore
123
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Posted - 2013.06.02 14:16:00 -
[223] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:This is something I've been thinking about during my predesign for the command ships.
I'll start with this disclaimer, we will never feel that we need to make hull designs match the function of every ship. So there's no NEED to switch the hulls on any command ships. This is not something we've decided to do, but it is something we could do and would like your opinions on.
It might be interesting to convert half the command ships into the other BC hull, picking the one that matches their weapon type at the T1 level.
That would (potentially) mean:
Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull This is the kind of thing that we'd expect many people would have strong opinions about, and since it wouldn't have direct gameplay effects we wouldn't consider it worth doing unless there was some significant community support for the idea that overwhelms the opposition.
So, hypothetically, what do you guys think?
Yes please. |
Ching Tao
The Studmuffin's
1
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Posted - 2013.06.02 14:25:00 -
[224] - Quote
The Nighthawk should of had the Drake hull design from day 1
Supported! |
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
219
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Posted - 2013.06.03 09:35:00 -
[225] - Quote
Ching Tao wrote:The Nighthawk should of had the Drake hull design from day 1
Supported!
If the former Tier 2 Battlecruisers had existed when Command Ships were implemented, it very well might have and we wouldn't be having this thread today.
In my opinion, this is an opportunity to fix a years-old inconsistency and perhaps a glaring oversight as well. Putting things the way they should have been from the very start isn't a bad thing. |
Shinzu Akachi
Alpha Strategy The Unthinkables
0
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Posted - 2013.06.03 09:45:00 -
[226] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:This is something I've been thinking about during my predesign for the command ships.
I'll start with this disclaimer, we will never feel that we need to make hull designs match the function of every ship. So there's no NEED to switch the hulls on any command ships. This is not something we've decided to do, but it is something we could do and would like your opinions on.
It might be interesting to convert half the command ships into the other BC hull, picking the one that matches their weapon type at the T1 level.
That would (potentially) mean:
Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull This is the kind of thing that we'd expect many people would have strong opinions about, and since it wouldn't have direct gameplay effects we wouldn't consider it worth doing unless there was some significant community support for the idea that overwhelms the opposition.
So, hypothetically, what do you guys think?
A MILLION TIMES YES! |
Theodore Giumbix
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2013.06.03 09:56:00 -
[227] - Quote
Lloyd Roses wrote:Theodore Giumbix wrote:Awesome work. This must be done. Yes to that video. Especially to all but the sleipnir. Sleipnir is fine though, needs wings.
Add this video to your first post please. The Tek - a show that covers hardware, pc games, indie games, legal policies that pertain to technology, the internet, and nerd culture. Please sign: Disabling the clouds in anomalies/signatures/missions |
StoneCold
Somali Coast Guard BootCamp
191
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Posted - 2013.06.03 10:05:00 -
[228] - Quote
Imo the Sleip is the best looking ship ingame. Seeing it changed to hurricane hull would be a tad sad. In the end it-¦s still nice as the hurricane is the 2nd best looking hull (Ofc only if you leave the megathron out ;)).
And with the cyclone beeing a missile boat nowadays i have to support it. I only feel for the nighthawk-pilots - drakes are guly.
+1 My true stories |
Largueles Amarr
La Famille Amarr
5
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Posted - 2013.06.03 10:38:00 -
[229] - Quote
Cool idea, i like it ! (Especially considering the recent successful works on subtle modifications between ships based on the same hull) |
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
220
|
Posted - 2013.06.03 11:13:00 -
[230] - Quote
StoneCold wrote:Imo the Sleip is the best looking ship ingame. Seeing it changed to hurricane hull would be a tad sad. In the end it-¦s still nice as the hurricane is the 2nd best looking hull (Ofc only if you leave the megathron out ;)).
And with the cyclone beeing a missile boat nowadays i have to support it. I only feel for the nighthawk-pilots - drakes are guly.
+1
To address both of your concerns, the models are getting changed in one way or another no matter what.
Furthermore, a T2 drake would look somewhat different from the T1/Navy version as part of the Art team's continuing "T2 should look different from T1" campaign. |
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Hoarr
Asgard. Exodus.
143
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Posted - 2013.06.03 11:34:00 -
[231] - Quote
No. No no no no no no no. No.
I'm with Fozzie on this in that the Sleipnir has the most sentimental value to me of any ship in eve. I think that it might be a cool change, but only if you make the Sleipnir an exception and make the claymore get the 'cane hull. If the choice is going to be a binary one with the previously stated ship hulls, I would have to say HELL NO.
If you take my Sleipnir away from me I will ****ing cut you. |
Rhnra Pahineh
Dark Intruders Command Apocalypse Now.
6
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Posted - 2013.06.03 11:41:00 -
[232] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:That would (potentially) mean:
Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull This is the kind of thing that we'd expect many people would have strong opinions about, and since it wouldn't have direct gameplay effects we wouldn't consider it worth doing unless there was some significant community support for the idea that overwhelms the opposition.
So, hypothetically, what do you guys think? They will know fear and cower before the mighty hulls! Ship it! Ship it and let them flee like the dogs they are! |
Xer Jin
DIVERGENT PROXY
54
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Posted - 2013.06.03 12:23:00 -
[233] - Quote
i say do it cause your gonna do it again and this is an easy switch the first time i'd say cause you already have the hull it would be cool to have a bit more variety or just wait and make 8 new designs for all the cs sooner rather than later but red and gold harb and kaalakiota drake are badass i want kaalakiota paint job for all my caldari ships and cn versions too i also want corp and alliance colours and ship badges do it thinking about what a new widow hull might look like awesome ? i think so! |
Luc Chastot
Gentleman's Corp
371
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Posted - 2013.06.03 12:33:00 -
[234] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:So, hypothetically, what do you guys think? Yes.
Also, if what you're saying is true, why did the Brutix end up being the navy BC? You could have made a blaster Myrmidon and be done with it. Make it idiot-proof and someone will make a better idiot. |
Fifth Blade
Estrale Frontiers Project Wildfire
8
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Posted - 2013.06.03 12:38:00 -
[235] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:This is something I've been thinking about during my predesign for the command ships.
I'll start with this disclaimer, we will never feel that we need to make hull designs match the function of every ship. So there's no NEED to switch the hulls on any command ships. This is not something we've decided to do, but it is something we could do and would like your opinions on.
It might be interesting to convert half the command ships into the other BC hull, picking the one that matches their weapon type at the T1 level.
That would (potentially) mean:
Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull This is the kind of thing that we'd expect many people would have strong opinions about, and since it wouldn't have direct gameplay effects we wouldn't consider it worth doing unless there was some significant community support for the idea that overwhelms the opposition.
So, hypothetically, what do you guys think? There is only one correct answer: Yes. |
Xer Jin
DIVERGENT PROXY
54
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Posted - 2013.06.03 12:45:00 -
[236] - Quote
alas there shall be much neckbeard stroking and wailing and gnashing of teeth over this topic but after seeing the new apoc and stealth bombers and tempest hulls i know whatever ccp does with these hulls will be cool but really giving us some painting options in eve would be best
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Jerick Ludhowe
Error-404
460
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Posted - 2013.06.03 13:13:00 -
[237] - Quote
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:
In my opinion, this is an opportunity to fix a years-old inconsistency and perhaps a glaring oversight as well. Putting things the way they should have been from the very start isn't a bad thing.
I'd like to take this opportunity to fix all of the 5+ year old inconsistencies that Command Ship have. Command ships have more inconsistencies compared to t1 variants and even inter class balancing than any other ship a the moment.
Here is a killer example that is 7+ years old... So when comman ships were originally released, their base hp values were quite a bit higher than their tech 1 brothers at generally around 15%. Shortly after the implementation of Commands CCP released a patch which increased the raw hp value of BC to make them more viable in comparison to BS. However, in this patch, they forgot to boost the hp value of the Command Ships which resulted in t1 having more raw hp value...
Oh here is another one.... Way back when, when BCs were first introduced... The cyclone was an 8-4-4 layout, this was determined to be a **** slot layout for a shield tanking ship so ccp eventually fixed it by simply adding another mid slot giving it the 8-5-4 layout that we remember prior to the most recent BC changes... After this change Command ships were introduced which were all +1 total slot compared to their tech 1 counterparts. The problem with this is that the sleipnir and claymore were granted the +1 ontop of the additional +1 the cyclone already got. This meant that Matari Command Ships are at a +1 advantage compared to the other races command ships. This "inconsistency" still exists today and has been a root cause of the Sleipnirs questionable balance since it's implementation.
How these errors continue for 7+ years is beyond me. Fozzie and crew better do a bang up job on these ships as they have been the most ignored combat ships in eve's history. |
Johann Rascali
Crunchy Crunchy Zero Hour Alliance
20
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Posted - 2013.06.03 13:38:00 -
[238] - Quote
I like the concept of splitting the CS models and completely support it. However, personally, I was looking forward to flying the Nighthawk, but my zealous hatred of Drakes will likely be that dream's downfall. |
Jayrendo Karr
Suns Of Korhal Terran Commonwealth
252
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Posted - 2013.06.03 13:43:00 -
[239] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Nighthawk would use the Drake hull This is the kind of thing that we'd expect many people would have strong opinions about, and since it wouldn't have direct gameplay effects we wouldn't consider it worth doing unless there was some significant community support for the idea that overwhelms the opposition.
So, hypothetically, what do you guys think? No, god please no, no, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! |
Janna Windforce
EVE University Ivy League
14
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Posted - 2013.06.03 13:49:00 -
[240] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:This is something I've been thinking about during my predesign for the command ships.
I'll start with this disclaimer, we will never feel that we need to make hull designs match the function of every ship. So there's no NEED to switch the hulls on any command ships. This is not something we've decided to do, but it is something we could do and would like your opinions on.
It might be interesting to convert half the command ships into the other BC hull, picking the one that matches their weapon type at the T1 level.
That would (potentially) mean:
Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull This is the kind of thing that we'd expect many people would have strong opinions about, and since it wouldn't have direct gameplay effects we wouldn't consider it worth doing unless there was some significant community support for the idea that overwhelms the opposition.
So, hypothetically, what do you guys think?
Given then potential of Command Ships (Sleipnir at least), don't you think they deserve their own models? Some that says "I'm da boss here.".
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Mole Guy
Xoth Inc Unclaimed.
102
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Posted - 2013.06.03 13:52:00 -
[241] - Quote
this is a BAD ASS idea! a harby hull with pulse just looks right.
the abso is iconic, yes, but just having the damnation as a ham boat would be kewl.
the sleipnir is a great ship. as long as the performance doesnt change, then having it a kick ass huricane hull would be awesome. so what that the old sleip is a cyclone hull, the huricane is an iconic bad ass bc that has reigned supreme for years. changing it to the command ship is a natural progression.
i love the myrm idea as the eos. if you think about it, converting the brutix to hold drones and all that stuff should significantly change its shape. we cant have the brutix change its shape, thats crazy..but the myrm IS a drone boat. make it t2 and roll with it.
the drake is an iconic missile boat. what better hull to make a nighthawk out of. t2 resists, bad ass missile damage...
yes, yes, YES!
yesyesyesyesyes WOOT!!! |
Jerick Ludhowe
Error-404
461
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Posted - 2013.06.03 13:53:00 -
[242] - Quote
Janna Windforce wrote:
Given then potential of Command Ships (Sleipnir at least), don't you think they deserve their own models? Some that says "I'm da boss here.".
A modestly unique (kind of like the kronos) t2 version of a base hull would be pretty bad ass.
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Peter Dostoevsky
League of Angered Gentlemen
26
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Posted - 2013.06.03 13:56:00 -
[243] - Quote
I support the changing of the hulls fully. |
Mariner6
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
160
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Posted - 2013.06.03 14:27:00 -
[244] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:Cards on the table, the Sleipnir is the ship I have the greatest emotional attachment to of any ship in EVE. It would look great as a Hurricane, but it would also look DIFFERENT and that makes me feel confused feelings deep inside my heart.
I also don't think this kind of change would be worthwhile unless we did all four and converted them into those specific hulls, since any deviation would make it harder for a new player trying to get information from their looks.
So it's kinda an all or nothing deal, which is what makes it such a difficult question.
Why is it all or nothing? That line of reasoning didn't stop you from making the Navy BC a Brutix, when it clearly should have been a Myrm (keeping in line with all the other tier'd BC hulls)? So how is this argument valid?
So +1 to this idea overall, but if guys want to keep the Slep as is, well, why not? |
Jaredo Wens
Lone Shattered Star
0
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Posted - 2013.06.03 14:43:00 -
[245] - Quote
personally I think they should go like so... [unpopular as some of these may be...]
Prophecy -> Damnation Harbinger -> Navy* Oracle -> Absolution*
Ferox -> Navy* Drake -> Nighthawk Naga -> Vulture*
Brutix -> Navy* Myrmidon -> Eos Talos -> Astarte*
Cyclone -> Claymore Hurricane -> Navy* Tornado -> Sleipnir*
* - these can easily be swapped around. Fluff wise the Tech 1 'tier 3' glass cannon BCs are all either prototypes or secret projects so using them as a base Tech 2 or as a navy ship isn't too much of a stretch. |
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ISD Suvetar
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
2277
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Posted - 2013.06.03 15:22:00 -
[246] - Quote
Jaredo Wens wrote:personally I think they should go like so... [unpopular as some of these may be...]
Prophecy -> Damnation Harbinger -> Navy* Oracle -> Absolution*
Ferox -> Navy* Drake -> Nighthawk Naga -> Vulture*
Brutix -> Navy* Myrmidon -> Eos Talos -> Astarte*
Cyclone -> Claymore Hurricane -> Navy* Tornado -> Sleipnir*
* - these can easily be swapped around. Fluff wise the Tech 1 'tier 3' glass cannon BCs are all either prototypes or secret projects so using them as a base Tech 2 or as a navy ship isn't too much of a stretch.
I too like the idea of using err 'Tier 3' hulls, even though tiers are dead <3 ISD Suvetar Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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BiggestT
Black Watch Guard Amarr 7th Fleet
62
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Posted - 2013.06.03 15:59:00 -
[247] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:This is something I've been thinking about during my predesign for the command ships.
I'll start with this disclaimer, we will never feel that we need to make hull designs match the function of every ship. So there's no NEED to switch the hulls on any command ships. This is not something we've decided to do, but it is something we could do and would like your opinions on.
It might be interesting to convert half the command ships into the other BC hull, picking the one that matches their weapon type at the T1 level.
That would (potentially) mean:
Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull This is the kind of thing that we'd expect many people would have strong opinions about, and since it wouldn't have direct gameplay effects we wouldn't consider it worth doing unless there was some significant community support for the idea that overwhelms the opposition.
So, hypothetically, what do you guys think?
Please don't!
I really like all the CS hull aesthetics the way they are (except the vulture paint job, not to mention all t2 hybrid cal ships, that grey-to-cream paint job is just strange).
I'm guessing you will get a mixed reaction seeing as aesthetic is based on opinion rather than fact, so why bother putting on the effort to change something that isn't broke?
At least keep the nighthawk/abso the same, these ships are gorgeous as is ;) |
Urhgo Khanab
J.A.V
0
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Posted - 2013.06.03 16:26:00 -
[248] - Quote
I vote yes to this !
Although the sleipnir is iconic as it is today, i am all for changeing it to the cane hull. I think it would be awesome |
Drainor septum
Space Dynamics inc.
1
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Posted - 2013.06.03 16:29:00 -
[249] - Quote
I don't want the change with the nighthawk becoming a kind of drake like. This because the drake is ugly compared to the nighthawk, the hull of the drake is very "simple in design"(in directly) and you get quickly bored of it when you're looking at the drake for some time. The nighthawk is much more detailled which makes it far more interesting to look at. |
Red Woodson
Veg Garden
0
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Posted - 2013.06.03 16:41:00 -
[250] - Quote
Ydnari wrote:Bear in mind that this would have a game play effect on the people who build these ships (which includes me). Whilst the hull change makes sense, it presumably has to change the base hull for invention and manufacturing, which would screw over people who have a large investment in the current hulls - and that would not make me happy :-\
Quoting a solid point, even if I don't have the skills to build command ships. If you do indeed change the base hulls, please consider those who do production. Not only do they have large stores of hulls, but likely also have BPOs that aren't worth much except for invention due to the recent tiericide and the pre-extra-minerals stocks not being depleted yet.
There is one thing that would need to happen well prior to any change. Broad and early notification, preferably via dev blog, that the change was coming to give people time to adapt their production assets as needed. The Command Ship redesign also needs to happen prior to, or at least simultaneously, with such a change such that all the CS are useful and worth producing.
CCP, you don't have the best track record of thinking through how changes will effect industry, so please take the time to do this right, if you go through with it.
PS. This reminds me, are the 'extra materials' going to be converted over to normal on BPOs when the pre change stocks are mostly depleted? Leaving them as is both hurts the insurance calculations, as well as with the floor price previously provided by reprocessing. |
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PinkKnife
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
342
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Posted - 2013.06.03 16:52:00 -
[251] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:
That would (potentially) mean:
Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull
Fantastic idea, there's no reason to use the same hull now that there are more options to use. It helps differentiate things a good deal as well, please do this. |
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
1251
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Posted - 2013.06.03 16:53:00 -
[252] - Quote
Slowly coming to terms with the fact that I'm in a distinct minority here, but I'm very much unabashedly opposed to the proposed change. Way back when I trained into a Nighthawk because I loved the look; I've always thought the Drake was uninspired. I adore the Absolution; never really cared for the Harbinger at all. As nice as the Hurricane is -- and don't get me wrong, it's pretty -- I abso-*******-lutely love the the Sleipnir just the way it is. Hell, I'd have to say the Sleipnir is my favorite-looking ship in the game (and she's not half bad in the performance area either).
The only one I'm up in the air on is the Eos. I'll honestly say I've never flown one, and I do like the Myrmidon hull (but then, the Brutix is rather nice as well). I think I'd prefer that change. But if it's an all or nothing thing, I'm against it. Period. |
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
221
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Posted - 2013.06.03 17:36:00 -
[253] - Quote
Having just now checked for myself and confirming that Sleip/Clay are 18-slot and all other CS are 17-slot, I expect quite a lot of wailing and gnashing of teeth when Fozzie's job forces him to remove the slot from both ships.
Anyway, to people who hate the Drake model: It wouldn't be quite strictly just a regular old Drake, just like keeping the Sleip would not result in a normal-looking Sleip. The T2 versions of every hull are going to be made slightly different from the T1 counterparts. Right now we're waiting for the Paladin to be finished, and the Golem will likely be after that.
--- Current numbers as of this post: 144 in favor, 47 opposed. |
Angelhunter
Conquering Darkness
20
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Posted - 2013.06.03 17:58:00 -
[254] - Quote
After thinking about this more
Eos - Great change, the Myrm is a beautiful hull and deserves to be used more Nighthawk - Its Caldari, i don't fly Caldari, thus i could care less what is done. Absolution - The Harby looks more like a combat ship than a fleet booster, makes sense
Now we come to one of my favorite ships in the game, The Sleipnir. Please please PLEASE don't change the Sleipnir, change the Claymore if you really want to use more hulls for T2 ships. The Sleipnir is a brawling brute and the hull just fits it perfectly in the way it looks. The Hurricane in my opinion has never really looked like an attack ship, reminded me more of an arty platform than anything else.
tldr; Leave the Sleipnir alone, the rest is fine. |
Luc Chastot
Gentleman's Corp
373
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Posted - 2013.06.03 18:01:00 -
[255] - Quote
I don't know if you are still reading this thread CCP Fozzie, but can you explain this contradiction?
CCP Fozzie wrote:I'll start with this disclaimer, we will never feel that we need to make hull designs match the function of every ship. So there's no NEED to switch the hulls on any command ships. This is not something we've decided to do, but it is something we could do and would like your opinions on. Quote:Choosing between which hull to pick between the Brutix or Myrmidon proved to be tricky for Odyssey GÇô we finally picked the former as we foresaw some heavy role overlap for a possible Myrmidon Navy Issue with the Ishtar, Vexor Navy Issue, Gila or even Dominix. As a result, the Brutix Navy Issue is a ship that directly iterates on the strengths of its predecessor, with improved low slot layout and better damage application. I still think we could have gotten a blaster Navy Myrmidon. Make it idiot-proof and someone will make a better idiot. |
ExAstra
Echoes of Silence
145
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Posted - 2013.06.03 18:03:00 -
[256] - Quote
Luc Chastot wrote:I don't know if you are still reading this thread CCP Fozzie, but can you explain this contradiction? CCP Fozzie wrote:I'll start with this disclaimer, we will never feel that we need to make hull designs match the function of every ship. So there's no NEED to switch the hulls on any command ships. This is not something we've decided to do, but it is something we could do and would like your opinions on. Quote:Choosing between which hull to pick between the Brutix or Myrmidon proved to be tricky for Odyssey GÇô we finally picked the former as we foresaw some heavy role overlap for a possible Myrmidon Navy Issue with the Ishtar, Vexor Navy Issue, Gila or even Dominix. As a result, the Brutix Navy Issue is a ship that directly iterates on the strengths of its predecessor, with improved low slot layout and better damage application. I still think we could have gotten a blaster Navy Myrmidon. I would so rock a Navydon with blasters. TBH though I'd rather the Eos be a Myrm (at the very least). Save the drones! |
mama guru
Thundercats The Initiative.
129
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Posted - 2013.06.03 18:32:00 -
[257] - Quote
Brutix looks better than the Myrm. So change the slepnir aswell. Damn your nostalgia, I want a 7 turret candycane. ______
EVE online is the fishermans friend of MMO's. If it's too hard you are too weak. |
Jen Ann Tonique
University of Caille Gallente Federation
9
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Posted - 2013.06.03 18:40:00 -
[258] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:
some stuff
That would (potentially) mean:
Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull some stuff
So, hypothetically, what do you guys think?
Do it.
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Sieg Vitilk
Discreet Production Lines Inc.
0
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Posted - 2013.06.03 18:55:00 -
[259] - Quote
I greatly support this idea.
Now we just have to wait the 2 year development/implementation cycle and we should be good right? |
Metal Icarus
Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad.
568
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Posted - 2013.06.03 18:59:00 -
[260] - Quote
I agree with this change! Do it!
The nighthawk "ferox" model always looked odd... The drake feels right! |
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Theodore Giumbix
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
12
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Posted - 2013.06.03 19:01:00 -
[261] - Quote
Damn that EOS is soo BAD ASS!
I wonder how a Rokh would look like with that paint-job.
CCP we really need a BAD ASS faction Rokh! The Tek - a show that covers hardware, pc games, indie games, legal policies that pertain to technology, the internet, and nerd culture. Please sign: Disabling the clouds in anomalies/signatures/missions |
Mioelnir
Cataclysm Enterprises Easily Offended
104
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Posted - 2013.06.03 19:07:00 -
[262] - Quote
With the 2 command ships of each race moving closer in battlefield role and performance (as outlined in the deblog once upon a time), I think it is just natural to differentiate them by something more.
The hull is an easy, no-gameplay-impact option for this and I approve it wholeheartedly. |
Dersen Lowery
Laurentson INC StructureDamage
521
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Posted - 2013.06.03 19:18:00 -
[263] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote: Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull So, hypothetically, what do you guys think?
Yes, please. Proud founder and member of the Belligerent Desirables. |
Yaturi
The Scope Gallente Federation
14
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Posted - 2013.06.03 19:35:00 -
[264] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:I'll start with this disclaimer, we will never feel that we need to make hull designs match the function of every ship. So there's no NEED to switch the hulls on any command ships. This is not something we've decided to do, but it is something we could do and would like your opinions on. ...... (hull switches) ...... This is the kind of thing that we'd expect many people would have strong opinions about, and since it wouldn't have direct gameplay effects we wouldn't consider it worth doing unless there was some significant community support for the idea that overwhelms the opposition. So, hypothetically, what do you guys think? Sarmatiko wrote:Please don't touch my Sleipnir and Nighthawk I want Sleipnir, not Brutor Hurricane; Nighthawk, not Kaalakiota Drake. And while this thread is ongoing, silent change of models will cause another inevitable shitstorm on forums, because as always major part of the community will be unaware about this. If you like to change something so iconic - make proper playerbase-wide poll first.
As the guy who made the original red paint mockup shown in the op back in December 2008 (I **** you not, I used ms paint and it was for some stupid hictor thread I was babbling about) I'm gonna have to agree with Sarmatiko on this. There needs to be a hull poll so to speak. The poll should give players questions that have bubbled choices.
1st question: Should command ship hulls be switched. Yes or No bubble?
2nd question: What should Amarr field cs be, Harby or Phroph bubbles. Followed with the same question for fleet cs. Then a "no switch" bubble for those who dont want it.
This is repeated for the next 3 races a total of 5 simple input questions that could help solve this predicament, if presented to the players a la csm voting style.
My personal opinions are this: Galente switch is good, but it seems the hurricane should be the new claymore and the cyclone remain the sleipnir. As for the Amarr, the harbinger should be the new absolution and the prophecy remain the damnation. Hurricane and Harbinger are the more agressive looking ships which fits better fit with field ships. The opposite goes with Caldari, the ferox should remain the field hull and the drake made into the new vulture fleet cs. Ferox looks more aggressive imho. |
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
224
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Posted - 2013.06.03 20:06:00 -
[265] - Quote
I do wish people would understand that "Field" and "Fleet" distinctions are going to be removed from the game and all Command Ships will simply be "Command Ships" with bonuses to boosting as well as combat ability. |
Alec Polaris
The Pilots Who Say Ni
2
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Posted - 2013.06.03 20:14:00 -
[266] - Quote
It never made sense to me that a company, which is supposed to be modifying ships rather than building new ones, would scrap a ship's existing weapon system and leave the hull the same. This change would make sense. |
sXyphos
The Scope Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2013.06.03 20:37:00 -
[267] - Quote
Yes! just finished training command ships and i want this so bad You should apply this mentality wherever you can,diversity makes this game even more beautiful. |
Jing Xin
Gravity Mining and Manufacturing Inc Storm of Souls
14
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Posted - 2013.06.03 20:38:00 -
[268] - Quote
Just let them change livery at will (or for small AUR fee). Once they get their KK Drakes and Carthum Harbingers, check what they think about changing iconic hulls then. It has been many years since CovOp model change, and as much as I enjoy Probe variations (including recent Vherokior Probe), Cheetah does not look like a Cheetah to me. |
Mole Guy
Xoth Inc Unclaimed.
104
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Posted - 2013.06.03 21:38:00 -
[269] - Quote
yes! someone besides myself who has read that the field/fleet differentiation is going away and ALL command ships will have a whoopass side AND a booster side. not a forced choice, but an ongrid boostin, open a case of whoopass and throw it on ya type ship.
i just wonder if the minie versions will loose the extra slot they have (start the whining now) or will the rest of them gain another slot?
but the biggest question i have is, are we going to have weapon bonuses like the marauder (since a ton of new t1 ships are gaining them) or is it going to be 3 links and 5 weapons?
hopefully!*!**!!*!*! we have 4 2x weapons like the marauders. that would leave 3 high slots for links. leave it at 7.
i think the command ship bonuses should follow the hac line. itll provide the linear progression eve is heading towards, make training easier and just make sense. i mean if you send a hac in and we love the results enough to send in bc.."make it exactly like u did, just add links".. =) IE, the zealot=absolution (harby hull)=laser boat with range bonuses like the zealot the sac=damnation (prophecy hull)=missile boat with cap and rof/ham damage like the sac
ishtar=eos (myrm (with the new dominix bonuses)) ishtar bonuses with the domi mixed in deimos=astarte (brutix)=a whole-lotta whoopass just as its always been
vaggy=sleipnir (huricane hull) same bonuses as the vaggy (no base ship)=claymore missile boat
eagle=vulture (ferox hull) same bonus progression ceberus=nighthawk (drake hull) add kewl cerb bonuses
keep the bonuses and the weapon platforms the same so one doesnt have to train many different types of weapons while trying to get to battlecruiser 5 then command ship 5. itll keep with the linear progression eve is going.
will u give us a hint fozzie? how much whoop ass will they have? 5 guns? 6? 4 x2 guns? 4 x1.75 guns? the suspence is killin me |
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
225
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Posted - 2013.06.03 21:48:00 -
[270] - Quote
Fozzie dislikes power creep. His style of balancing will probably force him to remove that extra slot from the Minmatar CS in order to "bring them in line with the others". Odds are that this will cause unfathomable angst and quite possibly remove a fair share of the Sleipnir's popularity, resulting in somewhat fewer pilots caring if the model is changed or not.
As for the highslot layout, it was indicated that they aren't going to let you fit a full rack of weapons and a full rack of boosts at the same time. You'll have to choose between DPS, boosting, or a mix of both.
Regardless of that, this is not the thread for discussing ship balancing mechanics. Make a thread elsewhere for that, please. |
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Mole Guy
Xoth Inc Unclaimed.
105
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Posted - 2013.06.03 21:58:00 -
[271] - Quote
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:Fozzie dislikes power creep. His style of balancing will probably force him to remove that extra slot from the Minmatar CS in order to "bring them in line with the others". Odds are that this will cause unfathomable angst and quite possibly remove a fair share of the Sleipnir's popularity, resulting in somewhat fewer pilots caring if the model is changed or not.
As for the highslot layout, it was indicated that they aren't going to let you fit a full rack of weapons and a full rack of boosts at the same time. You'll have to choose between DPS, boosting, or a mix of both.
Regardless of that, this is not the thread for discussing ship balancing mechanics. Make a thread elsewhere for that, please.
that was not indicated anywhere. fozzie said they will have good damage projected AND 3 links. never said anything about a full rack of weapons. but i do agree, this is for another post. |
Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc
425
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Posted - 2013.06.03 22:24:00 -
[272] - Quote
Hell yeeeaaaaaaah !
You have my vote for this idea OP and Fozzie !
G££ <= Me |
Voith
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
105
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Posted - 2013.06.03 22:28:00 -
[273] - Quote
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:Fozzie dislikes power creep. His style of balancing will probably force him to remove that extra slot from the Minmatar CS in order to "bring them in line with the others". Odds are that this will cause unfathomable angst and quite possibly remove a fair share of the Sleipnir's popularity, resulting in somewhat fewer pilots caring if the model is changed or not.
As for the highslot layout, it was indicated that they aren't going to let you fit a full rack of weapons and a full rack of boosts at the same time. You'll have to choose between DPS, boosting, or a mix of both.
Regardless of that, this is not the thread for discussing ship balancing mechanics. Make a thread elsewhere for that, please. Yes, it would be truly terrible if Minmatar didn't just get a **** ton of massive bonuses to their subcap hulls that all but obsolete other factions. |
Pertuabo Enkidgan
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
38
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Posted - 2013.06.03 22:41:00 -
[274] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:Eos would use the Myrm hull Dooooooooooo eeeeeeeeeeet! |
Anshu Zephyran
Zephyran INC StructureDamage
14
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Posted - 2013.06.03 22:52:00 -
[275] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote: Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull There is not enough yes in the world to express my support for this.
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Nike Andedare
Confederation Navy Research Epsilon Fleet
3
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Posted - 2013.06.03 23:04:00 -
[276] - Quote
Yes please!!!
As many before me have stated, do this for all T2/Faction ships. If you are using a (insert weapon type here) bonused ship, then the hull should be based off the T1 version.
Sorry to all the "iconic" ships that will get a more lore-logical hull. |
Ruze
Next Stage Initiative Trans-Stellar Industries
300
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Posted - 2013.06.03 23:04:00 -
[277] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:This is something I've been thinking about during my predesign for the command ships.
I'll start with this disclaimer, we will never feel that we need to make hull designs match the function of every ship. So there's no NEED to switch the hulls on any command ships. This is not something we've decided to do, but it is something we could do and would like your opinions on.
It might be interesting to convert half the command ships into the other BC hull, picking the one that matches their weapon type at the T1 level.
That would (potentially) mean:
Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull This is the kind of thing that we'd expect many people would have strong opinions about, and since it wouldn't have direct gameplay effects we wouldn't consider it worth doing unless there was some significant community support for the idea that overwhelms the opposition.
So, hypothetically, what do you guys think?
Being quite honest, I love the command ships. But something about the Carthum Prophecy hull is simply beautiful and should never be thrown away.
So while changing out the Abso to be based on the Harbi is sound in logic, I will shed a tear if you guys don't find some way to include a Prophecy hull with Carthum colors. If you're driven to threaten others with harm or violence because of what they do in game, you can't separate fantasy from reality. That "griefer/thief" is probably more sane than you are. How screwed up is that? |
Psychoactive Stimulant
TinklePee
10
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Posted - 2013.06.03 23:36:00 -
[278] - Quote
I vote YES! |
DeLindsay
Galaxies Fall
210
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Posted - 2013.06.04 03:27:00 -
[279] - Quote
So CCP, how many yes's do you need, as it stands now there's like 200 in support of this change and there's already 14 pages and nearly 500 likes. If you do nothing else, at least change the Eos to the Myrmidon, not one person here has said anything negative about that at least lol. The Operative:-á"There are a lot of innocent people being killed in the air right now".
Capt. Malcolm Reynolds:-á"You have no idea how true that is". |
Jerick Ludhowe
Error-404
464
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Posted - 2013.06.04 03:30:00 -
[280] - Quote
At the very least, change the eos to the myrmidon... You did make the navy bc a brutix hull.... |
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Mahuika
AIR WATER Mors ex Elementis
5
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Posted - 2013.06.04 03:45:00 -
[281] - Quote
Quote:That would (potentially) mean:
Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull +1 from me. |
Siempre Duskwraith
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
4
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Posted - 2013.06.04 04:05:00 -
[282] - Quote
Welp its pretty obvious I'm in the minority here about not wanting to change the nighthawk to the drake model from the ferox. For me this would be like making the Jaguar look like the Probe. I guess I'll try and fly it as much as possible until they change the model or until Goons, NCdot, and PL wipe us all out. Sad day. |
Onslaughtor
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
52
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Posted - 2013.06.04 04:40:00 -
[283] - Quote
In a perfect world I would want both ^_^.
The drake and harbinger are two of my favorite hulls in the game and I'm not really impressed by the Kaalakiota and Carthum colors on them. I would kill to see them in Ishukone and Khanid colors respectively. It would also give the ship hulls some of that cross weapon feel that the sacrilege and onyx have . I'm sure I'm not the only one who has wanted to put blasters on a drake, and hams on a harbinger.
The Eos looks good and I think I agree with everyone else when it comes to the Sleipnir. The Core Comlpexion colors would look amazing on the hurricane hull. |
Xygatrix
No Self Esteem
7
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Posted - 2013.06.04 06:37:00 -
[284] - Quote
I'm seriously torn. The proposed Eos and Nighthawk look beautiful but I greatly prefer classic Sleip and I hate the Harbinger hull. |
Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc Tribal Band
536
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Posted - 2013.06.04 07:28:00 -
[285] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:Threestep wrote:I like it. Would they still keep their corp/paint schemes? Yes, they'd have the same paintjob as before, just with different hulls. The art guys have also been slowly updating many T2 ships to have modified geometry compared to the T2 hulls, so either way someday the command ships will likely end up being a bit different, but that would likely come later. Nighthawk (and perhaps also Drake) should have 2 of their launcher bumps removed from the model. Fit a warfare link to your tech 1 battlecruiser. Train Wing Commander. Get in the Squad Commander or Wing Commander position. Your fleets will be superior to everyone else's. |
X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
1434
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Posted - 2013.06.04 08:32:00 -
[286] - Quote
Use the Myrm hull! USE THE MYRM HULL!!!!!
that is all. |
Kerdrak
D00M. Northern Coalition.
60
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Posted - 2013.06.04 08:33:00 -
[287] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:This is something I've been thinking about during my predesign for the command ships.
I'll start with this disclaimer, we will never feel that we need to make hull designs match the function of every ship. So there's no NEED to switch the hulls on any command ships. This is not something we've decided to do, but it is something we could do and would like your opinions on.
It might be interesting to convert half the command ships into the other BC hull, picking the one that matches their weapon type at the T1 level.
That would (potentially) mean:
Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull This is the kind of thing that we'd expect many people would have strong opinions about, and since it wouldn't have direct gameplay effects we wouldn't consider it worth doing unless there was some significant community support for the idea that overwhelms the opposition.
So, hypothetically, what do you guys think?
Do it and then, please, a T2 version of tier 3 BC.
Field Command Ships Firepower Fleet Command Ships Bonus Black Ops Command Ships |
Bakuhz
The Nightingales of Hades Holdings The Nightingales of Hades
22
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Posted - 2013.06.04 08:38:00 -
[288] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:This is something I've been thinking about during my predesign for the command ships.
I'll start with this disclaimer, we will never feel that we need to make hull designs match the function of every ship. So there's no NEED to switch the hulls on any command ships. This is not something we've decided to do, but it is something we could do and would like your opinions on.
It might be interesting to convert half the command ships into the other BC hull, picking the one that matches their weapon type at the T1 level.
That would (potentially) mean:
Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull This is the kind of thing that we'd expect many people would have strong opinions about, and since it wouldn't have direct gameplay effects we wouldn't consider it worth doing unless there was some significant community support for the idea that overwhelms the opposition.
So, hypothetically, what do you guys think?
I like the idea with a few boundaries
first of all touch the nighthawk as a ferox model and you declare war to caldari ferox is to d@mn sexy with black and red so hands off as long as the damnation stays a prophecy hull in khanid colors i am happy although i would like to see more ships in khanid colors ( Redeemer / Purifier )
oh and i love the Myrm for anything else i am totally PRO very nice so fozzie ill say do it with the few limitations
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Bakuhz#kills |
Seeing Double
Suddenly Corporation. Suddenly Spaceships.
8
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Posted - 2013.06.04 09:03:00 -
[289] - Quote
NO Do NOT change those CS' to the Myrm etc.
Myrmidon - Serpentis Harbinger - Blood Raider Hurricane - Angel?? Drake - Guristas
I think that'd be amazing. |
Moonaura
The Dead Rabbit Society
286
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Posted - 2013.06.04 10:22:00 -
[290] - Quote
Personally, I'd rather the alternative hulls, actually be used for some new form of command ship, with different bonuses and uses on the field. But this would require some innovation on CCP's part and introduction of new game mechanics. But after you've done balancing, this is the sort of direction I'd like to see things go, rather than a cosmetic change. We are recruiting talented pilots for innovative small gang PvP
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Moonaura
The Dead Rabbit Society
286
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Posted - 2013.06.04 10:24:00 -
[291] - Quote
Bakuhz wrote:[quote=CCP Fozzie]
first of all touch the nighthawk as a ferox model and you declare war to caldari ferox is to d@mn sexy with black and red so hands off
Agreed. The best damn paint job on all Caldari ships. Better than the 'urgh' gold to gray motif. We are recruiting talented pilots for innovative small gang PvP
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PavlikX
You are in da lock
66
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Posted - 2013.06.04 10:31:00 -
[292] - Quote
Is it possible to make such change only to eos?
Anyway, i am worried about future rebalance of this class much more then the model's version. Continue with nerf of this ships (1% resist change - remeber?) simply unacceptable |
Shugga Ditz
Chaos Army
8
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Posted - 2013.06.04 10:43:00 -
[293] - Quote
Do it... |
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
228
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Posted - 2013.06.04 10:54:00 -
[294] - Quote
PavlikX wrote:Is it possible to make such change only to eos?
Anyway, i am worried about future rebalance of this class much more then the model's version. Continue with nerf of this ships (1% resist change - remeber?) simply unacceptable
Fozzie said before that the hull change is all or nothing. As far as the rebalance is concerned, this isn't the thread for it but I can't be bothered to dig through a mountain of dev blogs looking for the exact ones I can never find, so I'll just go over it briefly. The biggest parts of it are pretty obvious. Merge Field and Fleet types so that there's only Command Ships with no more Field/Fleet, both hulls get bonuses to boosts as well as actually-useful bonuses to weapons and the ability to not die immediately in a fight.
As for a change that wasn't specifically mentioned but seems pretty obvious in needing to be done, either every other command ship gets an extra slot to match the Sleip/Clay, making every other Command Ship much more powerful and popular (this is unlikely, based on prior evidence) or the Sleip and Clay lose a slot each, bringing them in line with the other six Command Ships and igniting a threadnought of biblical proportions (this is more likely, based on Fozzie's track record). |
PavlikX
You are in da lock
66
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Posted - 2013.06.04 10:59:00 -
[295] - Quote
I know perfectly about that devblog, and i mean exact stats of that ships - hp, slot, pg, cpu, skill bonuses and so on. CCP never posted such information before. It's obvious that fleet CS will have significant changes, field CS will have smaller numbers of changes (looks like). Here what i mean |
Gorgoth24
Sickology
5
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Posted - 2013.06.04 11:43:00 -
[296] - Quote
I support that half the command ship hulls be switched to tier 2 BC hulls.
Please make this happen! |
max ericshaun
Ekchuah's Shrine Comporium Kill It With Fire
2
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Posted - 2013.06.04 12:03:00 -
[297] - Quote
YES |
Crestor Markham
Reasonable People Of Sound Mind
2
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Posted - 2013.06.04 13:15:00 -
[298] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:Cards on the table, the Sleipnir is the ship I have the greatest emotional attachment to of any ship in EVE. It would look great as a Hurricane, but it would also look DIFFERENT and that makes me feel confused feelings deep inside my heart.
I also don't think this kind of change would be worthwhile unless we did all four and converted them into those specific hulls, since any deviation would make it harder for a new player trying to get information from their looks.
So it's kinda an all or nothing deal, which is what makes it such a difficult question.
Yeah I actually don't really like the change, mostly due to sleip (also slightly due to hating drake and all its models). Let's not spend dev time on it.
re newbies not knowing what a sleip will do based on its model: THEY WILL LEARN QUICKLY AND NOT FORGET |
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
232
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Posted - 2013.06.04 14:22:00 -
[299] - Quote
Crestor Markham wrote:
Yeah I actually don't really like the change, mostly due to sleip (also slightly due to hating drake and all its models). Let's not spend dev time on it.
re newbies not knowing what a sleip will do based on its model: THEY WILL LEARN QUICKLY AND NOT FORGET
Art Dev time is going to be spent on changing the Command Ship models, regardless of whether they switch the hulls or not. That much is 100% guaranteed to happen. It's also the same amount of dev time either way. |
Tarkett Reedster
House of Reed Interstellar Defense Force NISYN Inc.
5
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Posted - 2013.06.04 23:11:00 -
[300] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:This is something I've been thinking about during my predesign for the command ships.
It might be interesting to convert half the command ships into the other BC hull, picking the one that matches their weapon type at the T1 level.
That would (potentially) mean:
Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull
Fozzie I would take it a step further and leave all of the existing hulls in game GÇ£as isGÇ¥ and change their paint schemes to an alternate NPC scheme e.g. the current Ferox/Nighthawk could use the Lia Dai colors. Then all new GÇ£Draked hulledGÇ¥ Nighthawks would be new production only. That would create an instant collectorGÇÖs item that originated from GÇ£we the peopleGÇ¥ .
Now that would be cool! |
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Ruze
Next Stage Initiative Trans-Stellar Industries
308
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Posted - 2013.06.04 23:25:00 -
[301] - Quote
Tarkett Reedster wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:This is something I've been thinking about during my predesign for the command ships.
It might be interesting to convert half the command ships into the other BC hull, picking the one that matches their weapon type at the T1 level.
That would (potentially) mean:
Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull
Fozzie I would take it a step further and leave all of the existing hulls in game GÇ£as isGÇ¥ and change their paint schemes to an alternate NPC scheme e.g. the current Ferox/Nighthawk could use the Lia Dai colors. Then all new GÇ£Draked hulledGÇ¥ Nighthawks would be new production only. That would create an instant collectorGÇÖs item that originated from GÇ£we the peopleGÇ¥ . Now that would be cool!
You mean, give each command ship a 'variant' when crafting to determine which hull is actually used in the finished product (even giving an option for tier 3 hulls)? That would be amazingly cool.
If you mean leave all current command ships as is graphically, but each new command ship made be a different hull ... oi. That would be sad, but also kinda cool.
If you're driven to threaten others with harm or violence because of what they do in game, you can't separate fantasy from reality. That "griefer/thief" is probably more sane than you are. How screwed up is that? |
Tarkett Reedster
House of Reed Interstellar Defense Force NISYN Inc.
5
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Posted - 2013.06.05 00:46:00 -
[302] - Quote
Ruze wrote:Tarkett Reedster wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:This is something I've been thinking about during my predesign for the command ships.
It might be interesting to convert half the command ships into the other BC hull, picking the one that matches their weapon type at the T1 level.
That would (potentially) mean:
Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull
Fozzie I would take it a step further and leave all of the existing hulls in game GÇ£as isGÇ¥ and change their paint schemes to an alternate NPC scheme e.g. the current Ferox/Nighthawk could use the Lia Dai colors. Then all new GÇ£Draked hulledGÇ¥ Nighthawks would be new production only. That would create an instant collectorGÇÖs item that originated from GÇ£we the peopleGÇ¥ . Now that would be cool! You mean, give each command ship a 'variant' when crafting to determine which hull is actually used in the finished product (even giving an option for tier 3 hulls)? That would be amazingly cool. If you mean leave all current command ships as is graphically, but each new command ship made be a different hull ... oi. That would be sad, but also kinda cool.
Your second answer :)
This would make them Gǣlimited additionGǥ and collectable, additionally players who like the original design could buy them and show her undying loyalty. Well until they become trophy killsGǪ.
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Iyacia Cyric'ai
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
46
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Posted - 2013.06.05 01:51:00 -
[303] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote: Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS! |
nat longshot
The Scope Gallente Federation
173
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Posted - 2013.06.05 03:30:00 -
[304] - Quote
+1 HELL YA DOOOOOOOO IT! -á[13:12:18] CCP Punkturis nat longshot you're a cutie.. OH YAH I WIN!! |
Coreola
Reasonable People Of Sound Mind
13
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Posted - 2013.06.05 04:11:00 -
[305] - Quote
Shouldn't the tanky vulture be the drake and nighthawk be the ferox? I enjoy the prophecy hull much more than the goofy harb. Also feel like the cyclone is iconic for comm ship. Cane looks too miniscule to command anything.
Still support the change but generally because I think more variety is better and my sexy damnation isn't proposed to change. Jump, jump, jump. |
Patrice Macmahon
The Lost Minmatar Legion
4
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Posted - 2013.06.05 05:08:00 -
[306] - Quote
I vote +1
Do it.
I understand about the iconic image of the Slephie...
No one seems tomind too much about turning the claymore into a Hurricane hull.... Good compromise if you can't get popular support around the Selphnier swap
But Yes, gawd yes. I want my T2 Myrm in all it's boosting ewar superiority! -á"Much of this is crystallised in our philosophy, or as others call it "the Intaki Faith". We simply call it Ida - the literal translation is "to consider", and is a good description of the Intaki."-á |
DeLindsay
Galaxies Fall
235
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Posted - 2013.06.05 06:00:00 -
[307] - Quote
Quote:But Yes, gawd yes. I want my T2 Myrm in all it's boosting ewar superiority! AND Armor!! Gallente CS's are gaining Armor bonus as well once Tiericide fully hits CS's. I just want that Myrm skin on the Eos, like NAOW!! The Operative:-á"There are a lot of innocent people being killed in the air right now".
Capt. Malcolm Reynolds:-á"You have no idea how true that is". |
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
234
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Posted - 2013.06.05 07:46:00 -
[308] - Quote
I'm curious where you got this information about armor bonuses and such.
Lots of support here Fozzie, although a few points have been raised that are worth being addressed by someone with a Dev tag.
Anyway, I should update the current numbers. Maybe if this gets to page 17 I'll do that. |
Kirimeena D'Zbrkesbris
Republic Military Tax Avoiders
132
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Posted - 2013.06.05 08:03:00 -
[309] - Quote
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:I'm curious where you got this information about armor bonuses and such.
Lots of support here Fozzie, although a few points have been raised that are worth being addressed by someone with a Dev tag.
Anyway, I should update the current numbers. Maybe if this gets to page 17 I'll do that. those logsnumbers show nothing. Less than 10% of playerbase uses forums, less than 5% posts there, even less posts in F&I and those that do are mostly vet players that have fetish or 2 for Sleipnir and/or for other hulls. IMO every hull should have its T2 variant, also hull and weapon platform it uses should be consistent between all t1-t2 pairs.
It'll be better for CCP to organize a vote (similar to CSM one) so that we can know opinion of majority of players (limit to pilots >3 or 6 months old, 1 per account). |
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
236
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Posted - 2013.06.05 09:34:00 -
[310] - Quote
Less than 10% of the playerbase also voted for CSM 8. The "majority" of the playerbase doesn't actually care about anything outside of what they see in the client and only ventures outside of it when they want to complain.
At this point, I think it's pretty safe to assume there's a green light to at least considering how to handle the side issues that would arise from such a change. |
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DeLindsay
Galaxies Fall
236
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Posted - 2013.06.05 11:32:00 -
[311] - Quote
Quote:I'm curious where you got this information about armor bonuses and such. Only in the ORIGINAL thread about Tiericide where CCP linked the before/after CS/T3 changes with an image. ALL CS's are getting dual bonuses, Gallente gets Info + Armor. ALL T3's are getting 3 bonuses but dropping down to 2% boost. Here's that image, I can't find the thread. For those of you still using Fleet/Field references, that dies with CS Tiericide also... Back to topic, I can haz sexy Myrmidon looking Eos plz? The Operative:-á"There are a lot of innocent people being killed in the air right now".
Capt. Malcolm Reynolds:-á"You have no idea how true that is". |
Amahuata Lindsay
Republic University Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2013.06.05 11:57:00 -
[312] - Quote
Quote:It might be interesting to convert half the command ships into the other BC hull, picking the one that matches their weapon type at the T1 level.
That would (potentially) mean:
Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull
As an Amarr Command Ship pilot I'm perfectly fine with the change. The video looks pretty good to me and it seems like only the really old players who have flown this ship or that ship for years are the ones, and few at that, complaining. I saw 1 player who objected to the Eos change, and a few who don't like the idea as it's presented as all or nothing. It's kind of like when the US Congress puts a bill together all the citizens need like supporting better care for the elderly and then they pair it with some crap saying women will have to serve men as slaves so they know it won't pass. I know that's a bit over exaggerated but not sure why this change HAS to be all or nothing.
Eos = done, you have like 99% approval, the other 3 it's looking like about 50% approval more or less. Granted there's more players giving 100% approval than ANY players giving disapproval so that ~50% for the other 3 isn't an accurate number, but more like 50% of JUST the people who dislike the idea. I like the idea of a poll, and if you could use the new launcher as it's staging point like where you put the news that'd work great and more players would see it to voice their opinion.
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DeLindsay
Galaxies Fall
238
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Posted - 2013.06.05 12:08:00 -
[313] - Quote
Amahuata Lindsay wrote:As an Amarr Command Ship pilot I'm perfectly fine with the change. The video looks pretty good to me and it seems like only the really old players who have flown this ship or that ship for years are the ones, and few at that, complaining. I saw 1 player who objected to the Eos change, and a few who don't like the idea as it's presented as all or nothing. It's kind of like when the US Congress puts a bill together all the citizens need like supporting better care for the elderly and then they pair it with some crap saying women will have to serve men as slaves so they know it won't pass. I know that's a bit over exaggerated but not sure why this change HAS to be all or nothing.
Eos = done, you have like 99% approval, the other 3 it's looking like about 50% approval more or less. Granted there's more players giving 100% approval than ANY players giving disapproval so that ~50% for the other 3 isn't an accurate number, but more like 50% of JUST the people who dislike the idea. I like the idea of a poll, and if you could use the new launcher as it's staging point like where you put the news that'd work great and more players would see it to voice their opinion.
Hey you stole my name... well sort of lol. I agree with the vote thingy, that'd give a ton of people the chance at least to be heard. And I am one of those really old players who has flown this ship or that ship for years, but am also 100% for this change (does that make me a minority?). I fly mostly Gallente/Caldari CS's and with Gallente gaining Armor bonus, prolly won't fly Amarr (which was the only reason I ever did) and I can't stand the way Minmatar ships look anyway. The only 2 Minmatar ships I can tolerate are the Cane and Rifter... Yeah I know, Trust in the rust. But that's why I'm for the change including the Cane change. And I'm sorry Caldari die hards, the Ferox is butt ugly. At least the Drake is a little nicer looking. The Operative:-á"There are a lot of innocent people being killed in the air right now".
Capt. Malcolm Reynolds:-á"You have no idea how true that is". |
Caitlyn Tufy
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
322
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Posted - 2013.06.05 12:33:00 -
[314] - Quote
Quote:Eos would use the Myrm hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull
Yes.
Quote:Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull
No.
So, 3:1, I guess that's a yes on my part as well.
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David Ost
BAND of MAGNUS
1
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Posted - 2013.06.05 13:23:00 -
[315] - Quote
IamBeastx wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:
Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull Yes to EOS hull change. Yes to Abso hull change. Yes to Nighthawk hull change. No to sleipnir hull change, this ship is far too widely known and remembered with its current hull, almost EVERY tournament and day to day fighting it gets seen. Change the claymore hull maybe, but deffo no to sleipnir hull change imo.
Exactly, please do not destroy Sleipnir spirit. Yes, we would like to see some tweeks to the current look, but not hull transformation (and BIG NO to hurric one). |
David Ost
BAND of MAGNUS
1
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Posted - 2013.06.05 14:00:00 -
[316] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:I'll start with this disclaimer, we will never feel that we need to make hull designs match the function of every ship. So there's no NEED to switch the hulls on any command ships. This is not something we've decided to do, but it is something we could do and would like your opinions on.
I understand your way to make everything uniformed/predictable/balanced. To know that each race has these ships and their T2 variants, and they are using this abilities. In your perfect universe, you can predict every ship look, their stats and abilities only by knowing same tier in another race. I don't like that idea. I don't like this kind of uniformity. Real beauty is in creativity, difference, unexpected. Please reconsider your balancing plans from this angle of view. Please do not make same boring ships, only with different color, and different type of guns for each race. Do not listen to these people crying that something is unbalanced/overpowered., they will cry again after each rebalance, only ship name changes. Please make us happy by discovering unpredictable. Please let us have fun with different approaches of each race to combat making. Please build unique spirit about each ship, to make us love our ships. Not just pick that one, because it is in general same like the one I like, but has 0.9% higher isk per hour. Current ship state doesn't look like different ships from different races with different mentalities. It looks like China is making toys for russia, eu and usa in different colors with different names, but still in same factory.
I hope you will read and consider this. :) |
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
1000
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Posted - 2013.06.05 14:26:00 -
[317] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:This is something I've been thinking about during my predesign for the command ships.
I'll start with this disclaimer, we will never feel that we need to make hull designs match the function of every ship. So there's no NEED to switch the hulls on any command ships. This is not something we've decided to do, but it is something we could do and would like your opinions on.
It might be interesting to convert half the command ships into the other BC hull, picking the one that matches their weapon type at the T1 level.
That would (potentially) mean:
Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull This is the kind of thing that we'd expect many people would have strong opinions about, and since it wouldn't have direct gameplay effects we wouldn't consider it worth doing unless there was some significant community support for the idea that overwhelms the opposition.
So, hypothetically, what do you guys think?
If the abso becomes the harb hull you need to give it the same kinda makeover the apoc got.
Give it visible armor plates! That baby needs to look tanky! BYDI (Shadow cartel) Recruitment open!
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Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
238
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Posted - 2013.06.05 14:34:00 -
[318] - Quote
Garviel Tarrant wrote:
If the abso becomes the harb hull you need to give it the same kinda makeover the apoc got.
Give it visible armor plates! That baby needs to look tanky!
In all likelihood, the Harbinger hull will be getting a full-on remodel just like the Apoc did. All the Amarrian ships will probably be retouched and remodeled a bit to be brought in line with the modern Amarrian aesthetic. That is to say that they'll be made to look more like the Impairor, Dragoon and new Apoc. I imagine the Harbinger will look even better after such a treatment, as will any T2 variants. On the subject of T2, the art department is also going through and tweaking every T2 model to look a little different than the T1 version. Right now they're giving the Paladin slightly different looks than the Apoc, with rumors saying it will come in the form of looking tankier and more heavily-armored.
DeLindsay wrote:Quote:I'm curious where you got this information about armor bonuses and such. Only in the ORIGINAL thread about Tiericide ...
CCP puts out so much information and I can never find any of it either. However, I thought you meant "Armor Bonus" as in some kind of bonus to the ship itself, not Armored Warfare. Thanks for finding the image, just the same. Now if I could only find the new one from this year's Fanfest where they put T1, T2, T3, Navy and Pirate on a graph to show where they are in relation to each other in terms of balance. |
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
1001
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Posted - 2013.06.05 14:58:00 -
[319] - Quote
Could also make it bigger, i find it silly that the heavy armor harbinger is TINY besides the shield ferox.. BYDI (Shadow cartel) Recruitment open!
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Mole Guy
Xoth Inc Unclaimed.
129
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Posted - 2013.06.05 15:02:00 -
[320] - Quote
check it out. they all will be changed up a lil. the abso will be a laser boat, the damnation a missile boat. the sleip will be guns, the claymore will be missiles. the nighthawk will stay missiles and the vulture guns. the astarte will be guns but the eos will have bad ass drone damage. possible 125Mbit bandwidth and bonuses like the domi or gila..
heres where it gets better. they all will have great dps (no more field or fleet choice between boost or survival). they all will have a bad ass tank they all will get 3% boost to links (3 links). so they will have weapon systems AND links.
what Fozzie said in the future talks at fanfest was "imagine a ham spewing beast with the damnation tank..." his words lead me to believe they will have atleast abso dps with 3 warfare links.
now, the best change is" amarr will not only boost armor warfare links, but they will gain the ability to boost skirmish equally well. gallente will boost armor and intel minie will boost skirmish and shield caldari will boost shield and intel.
so your warfare link AND your racial enemies @ 3% (like fleet command ships) with damnation tank and absolution dps. so imagine the armor mindlink giving the fleet armor bonuses to resist and rep rate, plus the burner/mwd skirmish link. how will that work for ahacs? |
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Kerplakershtat Rova
EVE University Ivy League
3
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Posted - 2013.06.05 15:09:00 -
[321] - Quote
Yes, the sooner the better!
Oh, and while we're here, can we have those 4x high-res textures as well, please? |
LtauSTinpoWErs
Mafia Redux Phobia.
10
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Posted - 2013.06.05 19:14:00 -
[322] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:This is something I've been thinking about during my predesign for the command ships.
I'll start with this disclaimer, we will never feel that we need to make hull designs match the function of every ship. So there's no NEED to switch the hulls on any command ships. This is not something we've decided to do, but it is something we could do and would like your opinions on.
It might be interesting to convert half the command ships into the other BC hull, picking the one that matches their weapon type at the T1 level.
That would (potentially) mean:
Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull This is the kind of thing that we'd expect many people would have strong opinions about, and since it wouldn't have direct gameplay effects we wouldn't consider it worth doing unless there was some significant community support for the idea that overwhelms the opposition.
So, hypothetically, what do you guys think?
Sounds great! |
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
241
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Posted - 2013.06.05 19:32:00 -
[323] - Quote
We've reached page 17, so I'll update the numbers. Yes, even if they show nothing.
As of this post:
175 in favor of the changes.
56 opposed to the changes. |
Ireland VonVicious
Vendetta Syndicate
150
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Posted - 2013.06.05 19:33:00 -
[324] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:This is something I've been thinking about during my predesign for the command ships.
I'll start with this disclaimer, we will never feel that we need to make hull designs match the function of every ship. So there's no NEED to switch the hulls on any command ships. This is not something we've decided to do, but it is something we could do and would like your opinions on.
It might be interesting to convert half the command ships into the other BC hull, picking the one that matches their weapon type at the T1 level.
That would (potentially) mean:
Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull This is the kind of thing that we'd expect many people would have strong opinions about, and since it wouldn't have direct gameplay effects we wouldn't consider it worth doing unless there was some significant community support for the idea that overwhelms the opposition.
So, hypothetically, what do you guys think?
Love the idea!
Eos is the only one I'd still love to see some change to if that was to happen.
Sucks to have the T2 of a drone ship have less drones usage.
I have a thread with some options already going if it interest you.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3151353
We really need a BC with 125 bandwidth.
Reduce it's dps and replace with ew and logistics drone bonuses if need to keep balance but please get us a bc that uses drones that can uses as much bandwidth as the 3 cruisers that already can. |
DeLindsay
Galaxies Fall
239
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Posted - 2013.06.05 22:49:00 -
[325] - Quote
Quote:Now if I could only find the new one from this year's Fanfest where they put T1, T2, T3, Navy and Pirate on a graph to show where they are in relation to each other in terms of balance. Yeah the one I'm referring to was back in like Jan where they showed the first images of what Tiericide (skill wise) was going to do and recommended we train Dessy/BC 5 then, still can't find it though. That thread had a link to further talk more in depth about the CS changes where CCP mentioned increasing all CS's damage output, removing Fleet/Field (giving both 3 links), adding a second gang bonus to all CS's and making the Eos into a better Drone boat than it is now.
Quote:We really need a BC with 125 bandwidth. If all they did with the Eos was give it 125mb Bandwidth and the Myrmidon skin I'd be a happy guy. I'm fairly certain I read it's losing a gun already in favor of Drones, but as with above I can't find the damn thread. The Operative:-á"There are a lot of innocent people being killed in the air right now".
Capt. Malcolm Reynolds:-á"You have no idea how true that is". |
Silas Shaw
Coffee Hub
36
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Posted - 2013.06.05 22:55:00 -
[326] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:Cards on the table, the Sleipnir is the ship I have the greatest emotional attachment to of any ship in EVE. It would look great as a Hurricane, but it would also look DIFFERENT and that makes me feel confused feelings deep inside my heart.
I also don't think this kind of change would be worthwhile unless we did all four and converted them into those specific hulls, since any deviation would make it harder for a new player trying to get information from their looks.
So it's kinda an all or nothing deal, which is what makes it such a difficult question.
All or nothing? No dice.
Much as I would love to see a Creodon Myrm and a Drake modeled hawk, my life requires LASERCHICKENS. Seeing as how the T1 is not a LASERCHICKEN and the Damnation is a paltry missilechicken, we must preserve the LASERCHICKEN. Perhaps a big black harby instead?
Sorry for the caps, but they were needed. ;p
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DeLindsay
Galaxies Fall
240
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Posted - 2013.06.06 02:09:00 -
[327] - Quote
Quote:my life requires LASERCHICKENS I recognize a fellow BoomChikin when I see one ;) The Operative:-á"There are a lot of innocent people being killed in the air right now".
Capt. Malcolm Reynolds:-á"You have no idea how true that is". |
DeLindsay
Galaxies Fall
246
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Posted - 2013.06.06 08:42:00 -
[328] - Quote
Friendly Bumpity McBump. The Operative:-á"There are a lot of innocent people being killed in the air right now".
Capt. Malcolm Reynolds:-á"You have no idea how true that is". |
Theodore Giumbix
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
17
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Posted - 2013.06.06 10:05:00 -
[329] - Quote
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:We've reached page 17, so I'll update the numbers. Yes, even if they show nothing.
As of this post:
176 in favor of the changes.
56 opposed to the changes.
The stats and function of these ships made them what they are today, not the look. And LOGIC in this game is more important than a beauty contest. +1 for the changes again. The Tek - a show that covers hardware, pc games, indie games, legal policies that pertain to technology, the internet, and nerd culture. Please sign: Disabling the clouds in anomalies/signatures/missions |
PavlikX
You are in da lock
67
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Posted - 2013.06.06 10:18:00 -
[330] - Quote
Yeah, and logic tells that prophecy and absolution have similarity in armor res bonuses and turret fitting And absolution with harbinger have only turrets both, meantime harbinger can be fitted in shield tank. And logic tells to us leave absolution alone! Damnation too. |
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ExAstra
Echoes of Silence
151
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Posted - 2013.06.06 11:00:00 -
[331] - Quote
PavlikX wrote:Yeah, and logic tells that prophecy and absolution have similarity in armor res bonuses and turret fitting And absolution with harbinger have only turrets both, meantime harbinger can be fitted in shield tank. And logic tells to us leave absolution alone! Damnation too. Nah, logic says that everyone saying the changes shouldn't go through are doing so because they like the looks of the current command ships. And inversely the people who say that the changes should go through are doing so because they like the looks of the proposed hull change (and variety therein).
Game balance, bonuses of the ships, fittings, etc, none of that matters. You can say "Well the Sleipnir is too different from the Hurricane it wouldn't make sense and it gets a shield boost bonus!"
My response to you is: "Kronos (Megathron) with Hyperion rep bonus. Paladin (Apocalypse) with Hyperion rep bonus. Golem (Raven) with Maelstrom rep bonus. Vargur (Tempest) with Maelstrom rep bonus. Eos (Brutix) with drone bonuses. Damnation (Prophecy) with missile bonuses. The list goes on." Save the drones! |
Castelo Selva
Selva Brasil Moon Warriors
23
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Posted - 2013.06.06 11:43:00 -
[332] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:
That would (potentially) mean:
Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull
For the love of Gods, please DO IT NOW!
Fully supported. Go Fozzie, you still have time to put this at Odyssey 1.1 |
Alsyth
34
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Posted - 2013.06.06 11:48:00 -
[333] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:This is something I've been thinking about during my predesign for the command ships.
I'll start with this disclaimer, we will never feel that we need to make hull designs match the function of every ship. So there's no NEED to switch the hulls on any command ships. This is not something we've decided to do, but it is something we could do and would like your opinions on.
It might be interesting to convert half the command ships into the other BC hull, picking the one that matches their weapon type at the T1 level.
That would (potentially) mean:
Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull This is the kind of thing that we'd expect many people would have strong opinions about, and since it wouldn't have direct gameplay effects we wouldn't consider it worth doing unless there was some significant community support for the idea that overwhelms the opposition.
So, hypothetically, what do you guys think?
Nonononono
EOS using Myrm because the faction BC uses the Brutix hull is a very good idea, but not the others.
Field Command ships are the ones that were flown by main characters who got attached to the appearance of the hull. I love my Nighthawk (appearance), Sleipnir and Absolution, I really don't want them to change hull.
On the other hand, Fleet CS are usually replaced by T3 or flown by alts in POSes anyway, their appearance is much less of a concern to me (I only uses the Claymore and seldom the Damnation).
EOS is never used, changing its hull won't bother anyone. |
Funky Lazers
Shin-Ra Ltd
253
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Posted - 2013.06.06 13:04:00 -
[334] - Quote
Seth Asthereun wrote:IamBeastx wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:
Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull Yes to EOS hull change. Yes to Abso hull change. Yes to Nighthawk hull change. No to sleipnir hull change, this ship is far too widely known and remembered with its current hull, almost EVERY tournament and day to day fighting it gets seen. Change the claymore hull maybe, but deffo no to sleipnir hull change imo. This!!!!
This this!!!! Whatever. |
Praetor Hartgan
Angel's of Death
0
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Posted - 2013.06.06 13:24:00 -
[335] - Quote
Yes to all the changes, gimme the Sarum Harb |
Mole Guy
Xoth Inc Unclaimed.
129
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Posted - 2013.06.06 14:54:00 -
[336] - Quote
quote=Alsyth]CCP Fozzie wrote:This is something I've been thinking about during my predesign for the command ships.
I'll start with this disclaimer, we will never feel that we need to make hull designs match the function of every ship. So there's no NEED to switch the hulls on any command ships. This is not something we've decided to do, but it is something we could do and would like your opinions on.
It might be interesting to convert half the command ships into the other BC hull, picking the one that matches their weapon type at the T1 level.
That would (potentially) mean:
Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull This is the kind of thing that we'd expect many people would have strong opinions about, and since it wouldn't have direct gameplay effects we wouldn't consider it worth doing unless there was some significant community support for the idea that overwhelms the opposition.
So, hypothetically, what do you guys think?
Nonononono
EOS using Myrm because the faction BC uses the Brutix hull is a very good idea, but not the others.
Field Command ships are the ones that were flown by main characters who got attached to the appearance of the hull. I love my Nighthawk (appearance), Sleipnir and Absolution, I really don't want them to change hull.
On the other hand, Fleet CS are usually replaced by T3 or flown by alts in POSes anyway, their appearance is much less of a concern to me (I only uses the Claymore and seldom the Damnation).
EOS is never used, changing its hull won't bother anyone.[/quote] ************************************************************************
FLEET AND FIELD ARE GOING AWAY!!!! geez. they will ALL be combat command ships. all boosting, all damaging, all on grid (hopefully later than sooner).
i dont care which of the command ships you change to which, as long as we have one with missiles and one with lazers. one with drones and one with guns two with missiles and two with guns
the only difference is in the skin and name. functionality will be the same, just pic and name. if it made boom yesterday, itll make boom tomorrow. personally i would love to fly a candycane painted, polka dot speckled, 1970s plaid striped ugly ship with a pink power ranger painted on the side so when it shows up i spanked yer ass into a KM, you will be embarrassed into not playing for a week.
so give me a harby, hurricane, drake, or myrm. i dont care. as long as they have the same stats, itll be nice to have something new to look at for a change. |
PavlikX
You are in da lock
67
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Posted - 2013.06.06 15:07:00 -
[337] - Quote
In general i agree, it is much less important then their post-rebalance future, but still, i like absolution as it is |
Mole Guy
Xoth Inc Unclaimed.
129
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Posted - 2013.06.06 15:29:00 -
[338] - Quote
the abso IS iconic. i love the look of it. how it glissens in the light. i love the damnation look as well.
i could see a harby painted up either way. and once they re-do the harby skin, it might be even better.. =) |
Alx Warlord
SUPERNOVA SOCIETY The Nightingales of Hades
477
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Posted - 2013.06.06 21:58:00 -
[339] - Quote
I WANT IT!!! THE ONLY REASON I DON'T FLY AN EOS IS BECOUSE IT DON'T LOOK LIKE A MYRM!!! Please read these! > New POS system > New SOV system |
ExAstra
Echoes of Silence
153
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Posted - 2013.06.07 04:22:00 -
[340] - Quote
Alx Warlord wrote:I WANT IT!!! THE ONLY REASON I DON'T FLY AN EOS IS BECOUSE IT DON'T LOOK LIKE A MYRM!!! Really? You don't not fly it because it's kind of the least attractive of all the Fleet Command Ships? Save the drones! |
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Luscius Uta
Unleashed' Fury Forsaken Federation
44
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Posted - 2013.06.07 05:53:00 -
[341] - Quote
I would rather want to see a Navy Myrmidon, but I guess it's too late for that. So this is still better than nothing. |
Ezek Price
Wrecking Shots Black Legion.
24
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Posted - 2013.06.07 06:18:00 -
[342] - Quote
Sleipnir is universally recognised as a Cyclone hull. It's iconic. War doesn't determine who is right, only who is left.
My blog, Civire Commander: http://civre.blogspot.co.uk/ |
ExAstra
Echoes of Silence
154
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Posted - 2013.06.07 07:10:00 -
[343] - Quote
Ezek Price wrote:Sleipnir is universally recognised as a Cyclone hull. It's iconic. It's universally recognized by players as the Cyclone hull because it's always been the Cyclone. Save the drones! |
impli
Tr0pa de elite. Pandemic Legion
38
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Posted - 2013.06.07 10:04:00 -
[344] - Quote
I would vote a Yes for it .. but change the hull slightly .. because a hurricane with some more solar or armor plates or some ore Shield generator bulbs would be great .. Maybe the solar wings change to horizontal wings and double it or 3 times it... |
Aarym Hita
Skynet Federation Infinite Recursion
0
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Posted - 2013.06.07 10:22:00 -
[345] - Quote
Zhilia Mann wrote:Slowly coming to terms with the fact that I'm in a distinct minority here, but I'm very much unabashedly opposed to the proposed change. Way back when I trained into a Nighthawk because I loved the look; I've always thought the Drake was uninspired. I adore the Absolution; never really cared for the Harbinger at all. As nice as the Hurricane is -- and don't get me wrong, it's pretty -- I abso-*******-lutely love the the Sleipnir just the way it is. Hell, I'd have to say the Sleipnir is my favorite-looking ship in the game (and she's not half bad in the performance area either).
It's all said right here. If we are forced to take all 4 or none of the changes, I vote no. The Nighthawk has been my favorite ship since week 1 (Ferox hull with missiles, how awesome is that!?). Since the Odyssey changes to the requirements, this is all i've been flying. While I appreciate the work that has gone into those new models on display, I couldn't imagine flying modified drake as the Nighthawk. It's not the Nighthawk! Keep them around for something new - we don't have any covert-ops BCs yet :D |
Altered Ego
Firesworn Incorporated Firesworn Nation
8
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Posted - 2013.06.07 10:51:00 -
[346] - Quote
+ 0.75.
This is a good idea. But the Sleipnir should stay as it is. |
Mole Guy
Xoth Inc Unclaimed.
136
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Posted - 2013.06.07 13:45:00 -
[347] - Quote
Altered Ego wrote:+ 0.75.
This is a good idea. But the Sleipnir should stay as it is. the sleip is getting hacked! it should have the same ammount of slots as the rest of them. so its popularity is going to drop. its power is going to drop. its desirability is going to drop. and its wreck will soon drop (after my damnation hams it to death..) =) |
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
799
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Posted - 2013.06.07 14:32:00 -
[348] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:This is something I've been thinking about during my predesign for the command ships.
I'll start with this disclaimer, we will never feel that we need to make hull designs match the function of every ship. So there's no NEED to switch the hulls on any command ships. This is not something we've decided to do, but it is something we could do and would like your opinions on.
It might be interesting to convert half the command ships into the other BC hull, picking the one that matches their weapon type at the T1 level.
That would (potentially) mean:
Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull This is the kind of thing that we'd expect many people would have strong opinions about, and since it wouldn't have direct gameplay effects we wouldn't consider it worth doing unless there was some significant community support for the idea that overwhelms the opposition.
So, hypothetically, what do you guys think?
Go for it !!
NAO !!
On a serious note change is good, in this specific case changes at the beginning are "only" hull design changes but those match pretty much what players comments on how "weird" it is to see command ships with a single hull different colors weapon system and bonus, it looks like half finished.
If these hull changes can happen at the very same time Command ships are revamp as links (don't forget those !!!) it's just awesome, not a huge addition I'd tell you but on the same track of what's been done this far: put the right thing at the right place.
*removed inappropriate ASCII art signature* - CCP Eterne |
Tinukeda'ya Naskingar
Minmatar Expeditions ltd.
7
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Posted - 2013.06.07 15:06:00 -
[349] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:Cards on the table, the Sleipnir is the ship I have the greatest emotional attachment to of any ship in EVE. It would look great as a Hurricane, but it would also look DIFFERENT and that makes me feel confused feelings deep inside my heart.
I also don't think this kind of change would be worthwhile unless we did all four and converted them into those specific hulls, since any deviation would make it harder for a new player trying to get information from their looks.
So it's kinda an all or nothing deal, which is what makes it such a difficult question.
Sleipnir is my ship of choice... changing it to hurricane would destroy the game for me unless Claymore will become usefull for my playing style.
Hurricane is a deal breaker for me. It's the Cyclone hull I love.
EDIT: Just to add... Changing the Cyclone to missile boat was already hard for me as it's my secondary ship. But I could live with that.... but flying Sleipwith Hurricane hull. |
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
251
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Posted - 2013.06.07 15:20:00 -
[350] - Quote
impli wrote:I would vote a Yes for it .. but change the hull slightly .. because a hurricane with some more solar or armor plates or some ore Shield generator bulbs would be great .. Maybe the solar wings change to horizontal wings and double it or 3 times it...
"Change the hull slightly" will be happening regardless of what hull gets used in the end. At this time, I would like to direct your attention to the differences in appearance between the Standard-Issue Tempest and the Vargur as well as the several subtle differences (and there are quite a few) between the Standard-Issue Megathron and the Kronos.They're going to finish up the Marauders (Paladin's in the works right now and then they're going to do the Golem) and move on to whatever's next in line.
If we have a Hurricane-based Sleip, it will almost definitely have different fins (Maybe looking like the radial fins on the Vargur, but maybe not) since they're such an obvious change and the whole ship will have a unique hull just like the Marauders are getting at the moment. Based on what a Command Ship is and what they're going to be after the rebalance, I have quite a bit of confidence that a Hurricane-class Sleipnir would be considerably more intimidating, muscular and aggressive-looking than its T1 counterpart.
If we have a Cyclone-based Sleip, well.. sorry, purists. Look at the Tempest again and then go look one more time at the Vargur. The same thing I described above is basically what will happen to a Cyclone-based Sleipnir. The hull will definitely be getting messed around with and won't look exactly like a Cyclone anymore. This repeats for all the other three races, until we have eight command ships that look noticeably different than their T1 counterparts.
This gives a little hope to you Drake-haters as well, since a modified Drake model could be quite different than the Drake we all know today. Given the change in modern Amarr aesthetic, the Harbinger and Prophecy will almost certainly be redesigned or changed slightly at the T1 level (see Apocalypse, Dragoon, Impairor), with the T2 modified after that.
Yes, this means a modified and more badass-looking Myrmidon (and Brutix) would/will be happening as well. |
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Marc Callan
Interstellar Steel Templis Dragonaors
184
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Posted - 2013.06.07 15:22:00 -
[351] - Quote
One thing that's been rattling around in my head: the current command ships aren't just using the hull models of the old Tier-1 battlecruisers, they're also built on the framework of the Tier-1 ships' basic stats and bonuses. F'r instance, both Minmatar command ships share the Cyclone's shield boost bonus, both Amarr command ships share the Prophecy's armor resistance bonus. Matter of fact, all the Command ships have hefty defensive bonuses, which only makes sense, because a Command Ship is a lot less useful if it's got a tank like a beer can.
Will the new versions hold to that design framework, or will the rebalance build them on the basis of the old Tier-2 battlecruisers' stats? Because the Eos Mark II would benefit enormously from using the Myrmidon's base bonuses instead of the Brutix's (the Eos Mark I gets the Brutix's blaster bonus but only five guns, and no drone bonus beyond extra drone bay space is seriously weak), but the Sleipnir Mark II getting the Hurricane's double-damage bonus but losing its tanking ability would really hurt.
Heck, I don't know. Maybe instead of just magically converting them, introduce Mark II versions of the off-weapon designs based on the old Tier II hulls while keeping the old Mark I's basically as they are? (I suspect the Eos Mark II would be much more popular than the Eos Mark I, while the Sleipnir Mark I would be much more popular than the Sleipnir Mark II...)
Probably (almost certainly) a dumb idea. But Command Ship designs (artistic and structural) are kind of a hodgepodge at the moment... "Nevertheless a prince ought to inspire fear in such a way that, if he does not win love, he avoids hatred..." - Niccolo Machiavelli-á |
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
251
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Posted - 2013.06.07 15:45:00 -
[352] - Quote
The Eos will be getting new bonuses centered around Drone combat. The Claymore will get missile bonuses instead of projectiles. There isn't a lot of specific information (and rightfully so - the announcement is pretty old and they haven't gotten 'round to a proper rebalance pass on Command Ships yet) but you can refer to this image for a general overview of what all the Command Ships will look like - in terms of mechanics - when things are done. You can read the dev blog about it here.
While I'm at it, does anyone have an updated version of this? They unveiled a new version at Fanfest 2013 that was a little bit more slanted and I simply cannot find it. |
Tinukeda'ya Naskingar
Minmatar Expeditions ltd.
7
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Posted - 2013.06.07 16:17:00 -
[353] - Quote
ISD Suvetar wrote:Jaredo Wens wrote:personally I think they should go like so... [unpopular as some of these may be...]
Prophecy -> Damnation Harbinger -> Navy* Oracle -> Absolution*
Ferox -> Navy* Drake -> Nighthawk Naga -> Vulture*
Brutix -> Navy* Myrmidon -> Eos Talos -> Astarte*
Cyclone -> Claymore Hurricane -> Navy* Tornado -> Sleipnir*
* - these can easily be swapped around. Fluff wise the Tech 1 'tier 3' glass cannon BCs are all either prototypes or secret projects so using them as a base Tech 2 or as a navy ship isn't too much of a stretch. I too like the idea of using err 'Tier 3' hulls, even though tiers are dead <3
^ THIS!
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Maximus Andendare
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
256
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Posted - 2013.06.07 16:23:00 -
[354] - Quote
I voiced my support for this change earlier, but I wanted to ask if you guys have considered changing the T2 hulls to the opposite of what we'd expect?
I always thought it was sort of neat to have a missile firing ferox, and I'm just wondering if you criss-crossed the hulls for T2 duty, would a turret-firing Drake be as cool? A missile cane? a full-on blaster Myrm (but with no drones? /gasp that thought makes me feel uneasy lol--omg unless the blasters were mounted all along the Myrm. Think about blasters being all over the sides of the ship! That'd be epic!!) |
DeLindsay
Galaxies Fall
254
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Posted - 2013.06.07 18:31:00 -
[355] - Quote
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:The Eos will be getting new bonuses centered around Drone combat. The Claymore will get missile bonuses instead of projectiles. There isn't a lot of specific information (and rightfully so - the announcement is pretty old and they haven't gotten 'round to a proper rebalance pass on Command Ships yet) but you can refer to this image for a general overview of what all the Command Ships will look like - in terms of mechanics - when things are done. You can read the dev blog about it here. The relevant part is at the bottom, in the section entitled "Command & Conquer". While I'm at it, does anyone have an updated version of this? They unveiled a new version at Fanfest 2013 that was a little bit more slanted and I simply cannot find it. Thank you for finding that dev blog about the CS changes. I had the picture BM'd but not that page.
Quote:A missile cane? a full-on blaster Myrm (but with no drones? /gasp that thought makes me feel uneasy lol--omg unless the blasters were mounted all along the Myrm. Think about blasters being all over the sides of the ship! That'd be epic!!) I will stab you if CCP takes that seriously. I want my T2 Myrmidon with 125mb Drone Bandwidth and Drone bonused hull for the Eos!! The Operative:-á"There are a lot of innocent people being killed in the air right now".
Capt. Malcolm Reynolds:-á"You have no idea how true that is". |
Alain Colcer
Agiolet Security and Logistics
73
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Posted - 2013.06.07 19:16:00 -
[356] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:Cards on the table, the Sleipnir is the ship I have the greatest emotional attachment to of any ship in EVE. It would look great as a Hurricane, but it would also look DIFFERENT and that makes me feel confused feelings deep inside my heart.
I also don't think this kind of change would be worthwhile unless we did all four and converted them into those specific hulls, since any deviation would make it harder for a new player trying to get information from their looks.
So it's kinda an all or nothing deal, which is what makes it such a difficult question.
Indeed it is an all or nothing change, not only because of the looks and base hull, but because you would need to adjust invention to use their respective t1 hull BPCs along with some adjustments in materials to keep prices within range. |
Natalcya Katla
Naqam Shaktipat Revelators
134
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Posted - 2013.06.07 19:22:00 -
[357] - Quote
I like my Nighthawks just the way they are. |
Fergus Runkle
Truth and Reconciliation Council
27
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Posted - 2013.06.07 21:51:00 -
[358] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull
yes yes yes OH GOD YES
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Khoul Ay'd
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
55
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Posted - 2013.06.07 23:10:00 -
[359] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:This is something I've been thinking about during my predesign for the command ships.
.........................
So, hypothetically, what do you guys think?
YES, YES, A THOUSAND TIMES YES! I want my Myrmeos and Sleipnicane The things we do today we must live with forever.... Think about it |
Sakura Nihil
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
275
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Posted - 2013.06.08 01:17:00 -
[360] - Quote
Do not want. Glory |
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0racle
Galactic Rangers R O G U E
26
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Posted - 2013.06.08 01:23:00 -
[361] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:This is something I've been thinking about during my predesign for the command ships.
I'll start with this disclaimer, we will never feel that we need to make hull designs match the function of every ship. So there's no NEED to switch the hulls on any command ships. This is not something we've decided to do, but it is something we could do and would like your opinions on.
It might be interesting to convert half the command ships into the other BC hull, picking the one that matches their weapon type at the T1 level.
That would (potentially) mean:
Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull This is the kind of thing that we'd expect many people would have strong opinions about, and since it wouldn't have direct gameplay effects we wouldn't consider it worth doing unless there was some significant community support for the idea that overwhelms the opposition.
So, hypothetically, what do you guys think?
Do it. |
0racle
Galactic Rangers R O G U E
26
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Posted - 2013.06.08 01:39:00 -
[362] - Quote
SanshaGrey wrote:Jonas Sukarala wrote:all T2 hulls would be awesome with unique models based on the appropriate hull. +1. Sound cool for me. HACs do have different hulls, why shouldn't CS and AS have them? Just imagine Kestrel-based Hawk, Tristran-based Ishkur, not to mention Hurri-Sleip. Wouldn't that be AWESOME?
Could make the Vengeance a Tormentor. And make the Jaguar a symmetrical Burst.
As for any arguements regarding the dramatic change of roles regarding ship hulls. The Maller did become a Sacrilege. |
0racle
Galactic Rangers R O G U E
26
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Posted - 2013.06.08 01:44:00 -
[363] - Quote
Tinukeda'ya Naskingar wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:Cards on the table, the Sleipnir is the ship I have the greatest emotional attachment to of any ship in EVE. It would look great as a Hurricane, but it would also look DIFFERENT and that makes me feel confused feelings deep inside my heart.
I also don't think this kind of change would be worthwhile unless we did all four and converted them into those specific hulls, since any deviation would make it harder for a new player trying to get information from their looks.
So it's kinda an all or nothing deal, which is what makes it such a difficult question. Sleipnir is my ship of choice... changing it to hurricane would destroy the game for me unless Claymore will become usefull for my playing style. Hurricane is a deal breaker for me. It's the Cyclone hull I love. EDIT: Just to add... Changing the Cyclone to missile boat was already hard for me as it's my secondary ship. But I could live with that.... but flying Sleipwith Hurricane hull.
It makes more sense. But the thing is, the hurricane was never about shield boosting. The sleip kind of is. |
Koronakesh
Seekers of a Silent Paradise
142
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Posted - 2013.06.08 02:11:00 -
[364] - Quote
/Agree with the proposed hull swap shenanigans SASPR Amir al-Mu'minin |
Alx Warlord
SUPERNOVA SOCIETY The Nightingales of Hades
478
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Posted - 2013.06.08 03:03:00 -
[365] - Quote
ExAstra wrote:Alx Warlord wrote:I WANT IT!!! THE ONLY REASON I DON'T FLY AN EOS IS BECOUSE IT DON'T LOOK LIKE A MYRM!!! Really? You don't not fly it because it's kind of the least attractive of all the Fleet Command Ships? (functionally, I mean)
Still better then myrmidon doesn't it? Please read these! > New POS system > New SOV system |
Alkyria Decile
Delstar Corp
4
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Posted - 2013.06.08 03:40:00 -
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CCP Ytterbium wrote:Why choosing the Brutix instead of the Myrmidon as a Navy hull?
Internal discussion resulted in favor of the Brutix since we felt it represented the Gallente combat doctrine more accurately with close range hybrids. A Myrmidon Navy Issue could also have been problematic to balance without overstepping on the Dominix, Vexor Navy Issue or even turret ships.
CCP Fozzie wrote:This is something I've been thinking about during my predesign for the command ships.
I'll start with this disclaimer, we will never feel that we need to make hull designs match the function of every ship. So there's no NEED to switch the hulls on any command ships. This is not something we've decided to do, but it is something we could do and would like your opinions on.
It might be interesting to convert half the command ships into the other BC hull, picking the one that matches their weapon type at the T1 level.
This is the kind of thing that we'd expect many people would have strong opinions about, and since it wouldn't have direct gameplay effects we wouldn't consider it worth doing unless there was some significant community support for the idea that overwhelms the opposition.
So, hypothetically, what do you guys think?
On one hand you guys decided to use the brutix because a myrm wasn't a blaster ship even though every other navy battle cruiser used the tier 2, and on the other you guys say its not important for the ships to match their original models function.
Given that a lot of catagories have an odd man out per say (navy brutix, caladari ecm battleship etc...) i don't see why there would be a huge issue to change one or 2 command ship models instead of all 4.
With that being said Creo drone needs to stop sitting on thier hands and get after that battlecruiser design! |
DeLindsay
Galaxies Fall
254
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Posted - 2013.06.08 23:21:00 -
[367] - Quote
19 pages and over 600 likes with an overwhelming positive reaction to the change, make it happen CCP! The Operative:-á"There are a lot of innocent people being killed in the air right now".
Capt. Malcolm Reynolds:-á"You have no idea how true that is". |
Atlanti IV
Horizon Corp
6
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Posted - 2013.06.09 01:59:00 -
[368] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull
YES YES YES YES Let me stop before I get flagged for spamming |
Witcher Stilgar
likeabawsyo
0
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Posted - 2013.06.09 06:26:00 -
[369] - Quote
I would not like to see this change. If there must be change , why not make brand new hulls for command ships(even if based on current design)? I would like to see the number of unique hulls increase.... |
Mahuika
AIR WATER Mors ex Elementis
8
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Posted - 2013.06.09 23:23:00 -
[370] - Quote
Bump! |
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Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
272
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Posted - 2013.06.10 00:28:00 -
[371] - Quote
I wonder if this thread will get to 20 pages. |
Vesan Terakol
Almost Deliberate
4
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Posted - 2013.06.10 11:37:00 -
[372] - Quote
A bit of personal opinion - I'd actually prefer the Claymore to be based on the Hurricane hull, not sure why... well, black Hurricane with missiles - sounds reasonable, right? The hulls shouldn't necessarily convey the weapon system when transfered to t2, as they are heavily modified versions of the t1. Besides, the hurricane has a sword-ish look -> Claymore, right? :) |
Jonas Sukarala
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
226
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Posted - 2013.06.10 17:53:00 -
[373] - Quote
I guess another important question that hasn't been asked is - if you change the models will the stats/bonuses also change along with them? so sleipnir using a cane hull will it also become armour tanked and lose its shield rep bonus Absolution will it be a harbinger but with added resits bonus? Will the Vulture gain improved ferox stats? Otherwise i think a T2 cane model shield boosting like a cyclone is just plain wrong...
And also please make these more interesting than the combat bc's that are almost like clones but with different weapons. sleipnir with no tank bonus would be fine to have And the Gallente don't need to have active tanking on both hulls .. And damnation shouldn't have 2 different tanking bonuses maybe it could have the HP bonus for variance from absolution if you keep the resist bonus on absolution. 'Tech3 ships need to be put down, like a rabid dog drooling everywhere in the house, they are out of line' CCP Ytterbium Nerf missile range into place where is the TD missile change?-á ..projectiles should use capacitor. ABC's should be T2 HABC and nerf web strength its still too high |
ExAstra
Echoes of Silence
157
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Posted - 2013.06.10 17:55:00 -
[374] - Quote
Jonas Sukarala wrote:I guess another important question that hasn't been asked is - if you change the models will the stats/bonuses also change along with them? so sleipnir using a cane hull will it also become armour tanked and lose its shield rep bonus Absolution will it be a harbinger but with added resits bonus? Will the Vulture gain improved ferox stats? Otherwise i think a T2 cane model shield boosting like a cyclone is just plain wrong... The question hasn't been asked because it was already answered, in the first post CCP made about the subject.
Which is "It would be an entirely visual change"
"GF" Save the drones! |
Thor Kerrigan
Guardians of Asceticism
600
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Posted - 2013.06.10 18:45:00 -
[375] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:Cards on the table, the Sleipnir is the ship I have the greatest emotional attachment to of any ship in EVE. It would look great as a Hurricane, but it would also look DIFFERENT and that makes me feel confused feelings deep inside my heart.
I also don't think this kind of change would be worthwhile unless we did all four and converted them into those specific hulls, since any deviation would make it harder for a new player trying to get information from their looks.
So it's kinda an all or nothing deal, which is what makes it such a difficult question.
If most feel that way (me included), perhaps there is a compromise.
In my books, 3 yes's outweigh 1 no. Nevertheless, the sleipnir could possibly be looked at by the art department a bit longer than a simple hurricane re-skin. Just as a stabber >> vagabond has a nice touch of extra dragon ears, perhaps the new sleipnir could look like a "cycloneized" hurricane? Give it two trainlights or something. Add a vargur sail. Put anoth- HEY WHO ARE YOU WHERE ARE YOU TAKING ME?!??!
"I do want to point out one "abuse" thing I did see however. *snipped* Please do not post details of possible exploits on the forums. - CCP Eterne" ... Because of Falcon. |
BlakPhoenix
Veni Vidi Vici Reloaded Darkspawn.
32
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Posted - 2013.06.11 02:24:00 -
[376] - Quote
very much yes |
Darth Felin
Monkey Attack Squad Goonswarm Federation
12
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Posted - 2013.06.11 08:27:00 -
[377] - Quote
This Idea is excellent! |
Kane Fenris
NWP
29
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Posted - 2013.06.11 13:43:00 -
[378] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:
So, hypothetically, what do you guys think?
Don't .... just don't do it...
why? cause it wont get people happy without getting a significant amount unhappy. to make gamplay better it would be acceptable to have unhappy people but since it doesnt ....
just don't!!! |
DeLindsay
Galaxies Fall
258
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Posted - 2013.06.11 13:52:00 -
[379] - Quote
Kane Fenris wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:
So, hypothetically, what do you guys think?
Don't .... just don't do it... why? cause it wont get people happy without getting a significant amount unhappy. to make gamplay better it would be acceptable to have unhappy people but since it doesnt .... just don't!!! There is literally nothing in the world anyone could do that would make 100% of people happy, your comment is invalid.
The Operative:-á"There are a lot of innocent people being killed in the air right now".
Capt. Malcolm Reynolds:-á"You have no idea how true that is". |
Pattern Clarc
Aperture Harmonics
585
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Posted - 2013.06.11 14:01:00 -
[380] - Quote
Eos changing to Myrmidon hull.... YES
The rest changing.... Meh. Ex CSM member & Designer of the Tornado. Gallente - Pilot satisfaction |
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Aducat Ragnarson
Cult of the Black Goat
162
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Posted - 2013.06.11 15:21:00 -
[381] - Quote
I have a great attachment to the Sleipnir in its current form, and I believe the same holds true for most people flying the Sleipnir.
As I have understood it so far, the current state of the discussion is, that for the most part the amarr and caldari do not really care that much about the models, whereas the gallente would like a myrmidon hull, especially as the myrm hull was overlooked for the navy battlecruiser, and the Minmatar are largely against the Hurricane model for the Sleipnir.
Therefore I believe that the need for change is not big enough to warrant it if 25% of the people say "yes" 50% "meh" and 25% "no".
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Gazmin VanBurin
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
84
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Posted - 2013.06.11 15:55:00 -
[382] - Quote
Yes, Yes Yes Plz I have wanted a black drake foreverrrrrrrrrrr
THo i would be interested in maybe making the cain be the claymore model, a missle spewing cain might look sexy |
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
289
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Posted - 2013.06.11 16:10:00 -
[383] - Quote
Thor Kerrigan wrote:
If most feel that way (me included), perhaps there is a compromise.
In my books, 3 yes's outweigh 1 no. Nevertheless, the sleipnir could possibly be looked at by the art department a bit longer than a simple hurricane re-skin. Just as a stabber >> vagabond has a nice touch of extra dragon ears, perhaps the new sleipnir could look like a "cycloneized" hurricane? Give it two trainlights or something. Add a vargur sail. Put anoth- HEY WHO ARE YOU WHERE ARE YOU TAKING ME?!??!
I've repeated myself a lot on this, but I suppose now that we're up to 20 pages it's reasonable.
All the Command Ships are getting touched and remodeled a bit, whether this hull change happens or not. Just like the Marauders are all getting unique skins based loosely on their T1 versions, the Command Ships will be getting changed from their current appearance as well. This much is guaranteed no matter what. If you're confused, go look at the Tempest and then look at the Vargur. Switch back and forth between the Megathron and Kronos previews a few times; you'll see a number of differences between them and I don't just mean the color.
So yes, they'd be more than just "simple reskins". |
The Djego
Hellequin Inc. Mean Coalition
92
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Posted - 2013.06.11 16:33:00 -
[384] - Quote
I would vastly prefer the old models.
Black ferox simply looks massive, absolution in red/gold looks awesome, Eos misses her moving parts but still looks good and Sleip looks very aggressive and always reminds me about my first Cyclone etc. I like all the old hulls like they are(still would prefer moving parts on the Eos again). Improve discharge rigging: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=246166&find=unread
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Jerick Ludhowe
Error-404
467
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Posted - 2013.06.11 16:42:00 -
[385] - Quote
The Djego wrote:I would vastly prefer the old models.
Black ferox simply looks massive, absolution in red/gold looks awesome, Eos misses her moving parts but still looks good and Sleip looks very aggressive and always reminds me about my first Cyclone etc. I like all the old hulls like they are(still would prefer moving parts on the Eos again).
Going to generally agree with you however I'd like see the EOS model swapped to the myrmidon. Gallente did get another Brutix hull so it only seems fair.I also would like to see minor/moderate variations in all t2 hulls. This would be something as simple as the moving parts on the eos ect.
Some variation in models to differentiate them from other ships with like hulls is imo, mandatory at this point.
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Leskit
The Night Wardens Viro Mors Non Est
21
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Posted - 2013.06.11 18:09:00 -
[386] - Quote
As much as I want the teir 2 bc's to have a tech 2 version, I don't think porting a command ship over to the hull is the right way to do it...granted they didn't exist when CS's were introduced.
It also makes more sense to keep the hull bonuses in line e.g. resistance bonus on the prophecy hull, not harbiger. I think i'd rather see a new line of CS's on the tier 2 hulls that is either really specialized, or given something to make them different, but neither superior nor inferior to current CS's. Above all, CS's need their pass at nerfac...er...tieric...balance/whatever to even them out. Some really rock, some don't. |
Ersahi Kir
Infinite Mobility SpaceMonkey's Alliance
186
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Posted - 2013.06.11 18:25:00 -
[387] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:That would (potentially) mean:
Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull The English language lacks the adjectives to properly describe how much I approve of this idea. |
Mascha Tzash
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
73
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Posted - 2013.06.11 18:58:00 -
[388] - Quote
Could there be some other uses to the "less iconic" hulls like the myrm? Logistic- or E-War-BC perhaps?
Would not make change allergics feel queery and bring in the proposed hulls.
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Mole Guy
Xoth Inc Unclaimed.
156
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Posted - 2013.06.12 21:39:00 -
[389] - Quote
a red and gold harby=drool
i have all 8 command ships. it wouldnt bother me what u did as long as they were bumped up as u guys said.
i would support a laser chicken, but with the patch change, isnt the chicken a drone/ham boat? so to me, a ham chicken and a laser harby would follow through with the changes nicely.
now, the brutix is so over used it wouldnt phase me to the myrm the drone boat and use a thorax for the astarte. its just that over used.
the drake? yeah that SCREAMS nighthawk.
but the cane...the cane screams mwd and autocannons. what better ship for that but the sleipnir? now, a missile spewing cane as mentioned might be interesting, but if one applies their brain, the only logical conclusion without personal bias would be a cane filling the role of the sleipnir.
color schemes? a red and black harby?=drool. (did i mention that?)
the nighthawk color scheme needs ALOT of work. its bland.
the cane? hmmm...open for suggestions.
the thorax/astarte would just use the same astarte colors. (iknow we cant use the thorax, i just wanted to make a point about the brutix hull. when someone says "here comes a gallente ship, we all ask what brutix variarion?) |
0racle
Galactic Rangers R O G U E
27
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Posted - 2013.06.12 23:09:00 -
[390] - Quote
Meh, I retract my previous want. Assault ships have always pulled it off with one model. So have command ships. So have interceptors. They're just too memorable to start ******* around with. I have an idea though, bring us a BC sized HAC. |
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Ines Tegator
Towels R Us
307
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Posted - 2013.06.13 00:21:00 -
[391] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull
DOOOOO EEEEETTT!!!!!! - Mission Overhaul - Bridging the PVP / PVE Gap - -áIf the game stops teaching people to fear lowsec, maybe people will start going there? |
Ines Tegator
Towels R Us
307
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Posted - 2013.06.13 00:23:00 -
[392] - Quote
Aducat Ragnarson wrote:I have a great attachment to the Sleipnir in its current form, and I believe the same holds true for most people flying the Sleipnir.
As I have understood it so far, the current state of the discussion is, that for the most part the amarr and caldari do not really care that much about the models, whereas the gallente would like a myrmidon hull, especially as the myrm hull was overlooked for the navy battlecruiser, and the Minmatar are largely against the Hurricane model for the Sleipnir.
Therefore I believe that the need for change is not big enough to warrant it if 25% of the people say "yes" 50% "meh" and 25% "no".
This is true. I want the myrm as a t2/faction hull of some kind. The rest are irrelevant. Since the Eos is supposed to be getting myrm-like bonuses anyway, there's no reason not to change it. - Mission Overhaul - Bridging the PVP / PVE Gap - -áIf the game stops teaching people to fear lowsec, maybe people will start going there? |
Ridic Poison
Alpha Strategy The Unthinkables
2
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Posted - 2013.06.13 02:45:00 -
[393] - Quote
I am for this only if you can conform that the bonuses, cpu, pg, and all other area of the command ships will not change do to you change the hull shape?
if that is the case please change them they should look different from one each other. |
Rhianna Ghost
Eat My Shorts Inc. Suicide-Commando
34
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Posted - 2013.06.13 06:14:00 -
[394] - Quote
Ridic Poison wrote:I am for this only if you can conform that the bonuses, cpu, pg, and all other area of the command ships will not change do to you change the hull shape?
if that is the case please change them they should look different from one each other.
The command ships have to change a lot to not be overrun by the Navy BCs.
And I it is really all or nothing, as the BPCs for inventing the things will (or at least should) change too.
And I am very fond of the idea! DO IT NOW. I want my T2 Harby and a Hurricane Sleipnir |
Crysis McNally
Aideron Technologies
6
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Posted - 2013.06.13 06:40:00 -
[395] - Quote
Yes to all but the Eos. I like the Brutix hull too much and the Astarte does not have roles/bonuses I need. Make the Astarte a Myrmidon. :-P |
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
333
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Posted - 2013.06.13 08:34:00 -
[396] - Quote
Ridic Poison wrote:I am for this only if you can conform that the bonuses, cpu, pg, and all other area of the command ships will not change do to you change the hull shape?
if that is the case please change them they should look different from one each other.
It has already been said about 15 times (almost once per page) that this change would be totally separate from any rebalancing that the Command Ships will be receiving. If this were to happen tomorrow, the only difference you'd notice would be the hull. Everything else, from bonuses to fittings to slot layout, would remain identical.
Now, that's not to say those things won't be changed. We know very well that the Sleipnir and Claymore have an extra slot that the other six command ships don't have, so either they're losing that slot when rebalance time comes or the other ships are all gaining a slot to match the power level of the Minmatar ships. We also know that "Field" and "Fleet" distinctions are being abolished, with both roles getting their bonuses changed around to allow for either hull to choose between good DPS or good boosting. On top of that we also definitely know that two command ships, namely the Eos and the Claymore, will be changing weapon platforms entirely.
These changes are coming, whether the hull change happens or not. The hull change is completely separate though, and has absolutely no impact on which direction the Command Ship rebalance goes. |
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
110
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Posted - 2013.06.13 10:30:00 -
[397] - Quote
0racle wrote:Meh, I retract my previous want. Assault ships have always pulled it off with one model. So have command ships. So have interceptors. They're just too memorable to start ******* around with. I have an idea though, bring us a BC sized HAC.
Disagree, Assault Frigs are all using the same model, so do Interceptors. Just because it is like that doesn't necessarily mean that it makes any kind of sense. Artists have been lazy once, that alone doesn't mean that all t2 ships need to be originating from the same hull.
It has been nice for the last time, and we got used to all those hulls. However there are always some visionaries that reach for the possibilities of design. People were screaming about the vagabond revamp, and in the end got away really lucky. Oh ya, why are assault cruisers using different hulls and CS don't? Maybe cause tier 2 battlecruisers plainly haven't been around at the time CS got introduced. Time to FIX that.
"It's always been like that, don't change it! Only change stuff I don't like" - is an outdated conservative position.
Given the chances of the new hulls and the fact that an eve player's memory only catches the last two weeks (regarding changes), all that could happen would be more optical diversity.
Also: 0racle wrote:bring us a BC sized HAC. This is exactly what field command ships are atm... And if you rule out the abso/astarte/sleipnir from being oversized HACs you surely categorize things strangely. (never flew a nighthawk) |
Yaturi
The Scope Gallente Federation
16
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Posted - 2013.06.14 16:53:00 -
[398] - Quote
Witcher Stilgar wrote:I would not like to see this change. If there must be change , why not make brand new hulls for command ships(even if based on current design)? I would like to see the number of unique hulls increase....
You know I definitely flip flopped when I came to this thread. First I supported it then I cried csm-esque vote.
After thinking about it you know what would be really cool. GIVE US THE CSM-ESQUE VOTE AND GIVE US NEW HULLS.
8 NEW HULLS, YES 8
Each races 2 original names and 2 new ones
Why, because f this new multiple boost bonus mess. That's WHY.
That's 4 CS*s for 4 Boost*s bonuses. As a Gallente I want the Brutix and Myrm in my soup AND two new boats to take out. Give me something new. please |
Unezka Turigahl
Det Som Engang Var
76
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Posted - 2013.06.14 17:49:00 -
[399] - Quote
I like them as they are. They are all using the BC models that look beefier, which works well for a T2 BC. I think the "tier 3" BCs would work better than the "tier 2" BCs as new command ship hulls, visually. But I still prefer the "tier 1" hulls to continue to be used. For both command ships. Its ok that both command ships per race us the same hull because... they're both command ships. |
DeLindsay
Galaxies Fall
262
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Posted - 2013.06.14 18:22:00 -
[400] - Quote
Bump FOR the change!! The Operative:-á"There are a lot of innocent people being killed in the air right now".
Capt. Malcolm Reynolds:-á"You have no idea how true that is". |
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Wedieyounge Antilles
SKULLDOGS Game Over.
3
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Posted - 2013.06.14 20:18:00 -
[401] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:
That would (potentially) mean:
Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull
I also totally agree with this change.
-¼ Wedge Antilles [SDOGS], Grunt |
Ace Mooncat
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.06.16 07:24:00 -
[402] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull
yes
make it so |
Sai Renn
Sacred Templar Knights Claimed.
0
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Posted - 2013.06.16 12:10:00 -
[403] - Quote
Being a pilot who played long before the Myrm, Drake, Cane, and Harb were first added, I can understand why some people would hate this idea. If I'm honest, when this was mentioned as an idea a few years back I was completely against it (as a nighthawk pilot who hates the drake hulls look).
But as time has progressed I can see the reasoning behind it, and have even started to warm up to the drake hull a bit. As it stands I would support the change now, would defiantly help add some more variety to the current lineup.
I could see a few people hating it as they would have to switch there BP's when building them, but that's not something that cant be done easily enough.
Id also like to see t2 versions of the Naga, Talos ect. obviously not as command ships however. |
Battlingbean
Perkone Caldari State
12
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Posted - 2013.06.16 21:17:00 -
[404] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:
That would (potentially) mean:
Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull
Yes please!
At the very least the Eos should be Myrm hull since It received no love with the new navy battle cruisers and it would be awesome to fly a Creo Dron Myrm. |
Gustav Kleist
Spline Inc. v3.14
21
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Posted - 2013.06.16 21:45:00 -
[405] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote: That would (potentially) mean:
Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull
Supported! |
Maraner
The Executioners Capital Punishment.
262
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Posted - 2013.06.16 22:18:00 -
[406] - Quote
Supported - red stripe drake? yes please. Maybe add a extra antenna or the rotating dish type deal that is on the scorp (only smaller). |
Xindi Kraid
The Night Wardens Viro Mors Non Est
538
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Posted - 2013.06.17 02:23:00 -
[407] - Quote
ExAstra wrote:The Myrmidon gets no love. It's not a Command ship, and it's not the Navy ship. I think it'd be neat for the Myrmidon to be the Eos. The Astarte has to be the Brutix, but an Eos Myrm would be glorious. Although I'd be sad to see the Brutix Eos go at the same time. I'm confused by the decision to make the former tier 2 BCs get faction versions except give the Gallente a version of the tier 1.
Of course, I think they should have given us faction versions of both the former tier 1s AND tier 2s. |
Myrkala
Royal Robot Ponies Happy Cartel
65
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Posted - 2013.06.17 02:40:00 -
[408] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:Cards on the table, the Sleipnir is the ship I have the greatest emotional attachment to of any ship in EVE. It would look great as a Hurricane, but it would also look DIFFERENT and that makes me feel confused feelings deep inside my heart.
I also don't think this kind of change would be worthwhile unless we did all four and converted them into those specific hulls, since any deviation would make it harder for a new player trying to get information from their looks.
So it's kinda an all or nothing deal, which is what makes it such a difficult question.
I too am very attached to the Sleipnir, so mixed feelings about this... It would depend on the paintjob of the Hurricane, it needs to be flashy and scary at the same time, I'm a bit worried that it won't get the "aggressive" look it deserves. |
Marc Callan
Interstellar Steel Templis Dragonaors
192
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Posted - 2013.06.17 12:14:00 -
[409] - Quote
Some flavor text would actually be nice if (as I hope) the conversion to the new hulls goes ahead. Particularly in the case of the Eos, some acknowledgement that CreoDron kind of laid an egg:
=== The Federation Navy's new command-ship requirements presented a problem for CreoDron; the Eos-class command ship was envisioned as the Gallente's first battlecruiser-class drone carrier, but the Brutix on which it was based had proven poorly suited to the role, practically an embarassment to CreoDron, and its most prominent role was as an object lesson to the designers of the Myrmidon-class drone battlecruiser. Given the mandate from the Navy, CreoDron had no realistic choice but to start over from scratch; their first major decision was to abandon the Brutix hull and use the Myrmidon as the basis for the Eos Mark II, thereby creating an equivalent to the wildly successful Ishtar-class heavy assault cruiser. The Eos Mark II can serve all of the functions of a dedicated command ship without sacrificing either the durable defenses or the offensive punch of its progenitor battlecruiser, something no other command ship fielded by any navy in New Eden can claim... === "Nevertheless a prince ought to inspire fear in such a way that, if he does not win love, he avoids hatred..." - Niccolo Machiavelli-á |
Scuzzy Logic
Midnight Elites United Federation of Commerce
24
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Posted - 2013.06.17 12:32:00 -
[410] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:This is something I've been thinking about during my predesign for the command ships.
I'll start with this disclaimer, we will never feel that we need to make hull designs match the function of every ship. So there's no NEED to switch the hulls on any command ships. This is not something we've decided to do, but it is something we could do and would like your opinions on.
It might be interesting to convert half the command ships into the other BC hull, picking the one that matches their weapon type at the T1 level.
That would (potentially) mean:
Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull This is the kind of thing that we'd expect many people would have strong opinions about, and since it wouldn't have direct gameplay effects we wouldn't consider it worth doing unless there was some significant community support for the idea that overwhelms the opposition.
So, hypothetically, what do you guys think?
Hypotethically speaking, you'd make me buy a new pair of undies, because I'd cream them with joy. It,s small changes like these which would make us appreciate the dev team more.
The only one I'm iffy about is the absolution using the Harbinger hull. While it makes perfect sense for laser banks to be on that same hull, my inner Khanid just craves a sleek black Harbi with the tank of a carrier...
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Scuzzy Logic
Midnight Elites United Federation of Commerce
24
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Posted - 2013.06.17 12:40:00 -
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Witcher Stilgar wrote:I would not like to see this change. If there must be change , why not make brand new hulls for command ships(even if based on current design)? I would like to see the number of unique hulls increase....
I have a thing against making t2-only hulls, though. Stealthbombers were the awesome exception, because, well, torp and bomb bays. (Awesome job on that one)
But, yeah, if they're going to but such an AWESOMELY GOOD idea in a numbered patch, maybe look at some of the of the t2 hulls, especially the assault frigs and reskin some of the T1 models which got no love like the Tormentor. |
Scuzzy Logic
Midnight Elites United Federation of Commerce
24
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Posted - 2013.06.17 12:43:00 -
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Silas Shaw wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:Cards on the table, the Sleipnir is the ship I have the greatest emotional attachment to of any ship in EVE. It would look great as a Hurricane, but it would also look DIFFERENT and that makes me feel confused feelings deep inside my heart.
I also don't think this kind of change would be worthwhile unless we did all four and converted them into those specific hulls, since any deviation would make it harder for a new player trying to get information from their looks.
So it's kinda an all or nothing deal, which is what makes it such a difficult question. All or nothing? No dice. Much as I would love to see a Creodon Myrm and a Drake modeled hawk, my life requires LASERCHICKENS. Seeing as how the T1 is not a LASERCHICKEN and the Damnation is a paltry missilechicken, we must preserve the LASERCHICKEN. Perhaps a big black harby instead? Sorry for the caps, but they were needed. ;p
+1 for Harboomer and preserving Laserchicken because of the sheer novelty. Not that I'd find either upgrade bad relative to the current state of affairs.
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marVLs
187
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Posted - 2013.06.17 13:10:00 -
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I would like more to give every T2 ship a unique model |
Apollo Sci
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.06.17 13:33:00 -
[414] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:This is something I've been thinking about during my predesign for the command ships.
I'll start with this disclaimer, we will never feel that we need to make hull designs match the function of every ship. So there's no NEED to switch the hulls on any command ships. This is not something we've decided to do, but it is something we could do and would like your opinions on.
It might be interesting to convert half the command ships into the other BC hull, picking the one that matches their weapon type at the T1 level.
That would (potentially) mean:
Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull This is the kind of thing that we'd expect many people would have strong opinions about, and since it wouldn't have direct gameplay effects we wouldn't consider it worth doing unless there was some significant community support for the idea that overwhelms the opposition.
So, hypothetically, what do you guys think?
I support this decision 100% |
Maximus Andendare
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
273
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Posted - 2013.06.17 16:25:00 -
[415] - Quote
Fozzie, why does it have to be an all-or-nothing proposition? Obviously, people are near universal in their praise for a Myrm-to-Eos change, while some have expressed misgivings with changing the Sleipnir around. Why is it that we can't take each ship individually and discuss? Personally, if it has to be all-or-nothing, I'd say go for it.
But if we were going to consider each individually, I'm sure many people would find the idea of a black Hurricane-turned-Claymore just as appealing as a black Cyclone, and by doing that, you'd still keep the Sleipnir in its most iconic hull. Similarly, people love the Damnation in its current form, so that'd likely be set and free up the Abso to use the Harby hull. I think the Caldari boats are the only ones where people are somewhat torn (on the individual ships), with there being some mixed feelings on the Drake hull itself. Personally, with this grouping, I'd rather the ships be the opposite of their T1 weapons, keeping the Nighthawk a Ferox and transitioning the Vulture to a Drake (turreted Drake? Sounds good!)
I don't see why it'd have to be all-or-nothing, though, especially given the mixed feelings on the ships individually. |
Agykoo Mishi
Orion Ore International II
3
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Posted - 2013.06.17 17:56:00 -
[416] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull So, hypothetically, what do you guys think?
i know its been some 21+ pages but i wanted to throw my support behind this very cool idea. ^_^
only thing i coudl ask more for would be that if the eos uses the myrm hull, maybe make it have better drone bandwith at lest. |
ExAstra
Echoes of Silence
160
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Posted - 2013.06.17 18:15:00 -
[417] - Quote
Maximus Andendare wrote:But if we were going to consider each individually, I'm sure many people would find the idea of a black Hurricane-turned-Claymore just as appealing as a black Cyclone, and by doing that, you'd still keep the Sleipnir in its most iconic hull. Similarly, people love the Damnation in its current form, so that'd likely be set and free up the Abso to use the Harby hull. Oh hell no. Don't you make the beautiful Claymore just a "black" Hurricane. I hate the Hurricane, and I also hate the Sleipnir scheme. Therefor I support changing the Cyclone to Hurricane on the Sleipnir.
As for the Damnation/Absolution, the Harby is going to be Absolution anyway according to Fozzie's post, so not sure what you're talking about there. Save the drones! |
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
398
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Posted - 2013.06.17 18:24:00 -
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Quote:Turreted Drake? Sounds good! "Sounds demented" is more like it. Granted, Caldari ships are on average the product of someone's misadventures with an arc welder and illegal hallucinogenics but putting turrets on a drake is just... weird. |
ExAstra
Echoes of Silence
160
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Posted - 2013.06.17 18:26:00 -
[419] - Quote
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:Quote:Turreted Drake? Sounds good! "Sounds demented" is more like it. Granted, Caldari ships are on average the product of someone's misadventures with an arc welder and illegal hallucinogenics but putting turrets on a drake is just... weird. It's weird enough now that missile launchers have "turrets".
I think missile launchers should operate more like cruise/torpedo launchers where the missiles are internal and erupt from the ship. Save the drones! |
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
398
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Posted - 2013.06.17 18:28:00 -
[420] - Quote
I actually kind of like that idea.. but that's better in a different thread. |
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Dorion Strag
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
6
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Posted - 2013.06.17 19:11:00 -
[421] - Quote
Gonna go with a yes. It's always bothered me a bit that the command ships for each race used the same model. |
Melek D'Ivri
Wheel Tappers And Shunters
20
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Posted - 2013.06.17 22:37:00 -
[422] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:This is something I've been thinking about during my predesign for the command ships.
I'll start with this disclaimer, we will never feel that we need to make hull designs match the function of every ship. So there's no NEED to switch the hulls on any command ships. This is not something we've decided to do, but it is something we could do and would like your opinions on.
It might be interesting to convert half the command ships into the other BC hull, picking the one that matches their weapon type at the T1 level.
That would (potentially) mean:
Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull This is the kind of thing that we'd expect many people would have strong opinions about, and since it wouldn't have direct gameplay effects we wouldn't consider it worth doing unless there was some significant community support for the idea that overwhelms the opposition.
So, hypothetically, what do you guys think?
What I think is that I would MUCH prefer to see a 3rd battlecruiser hull introduced based on the alternate tech 1 hull, and that this new (3rd) Tech 2 Battlecruiser would do something new. |
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
114
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Posted - 2013.06.18 01:15:00 -
[423] - Quote
Melek D'Ivri wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:This is something I've been thinking about during my predesign for the command ships.
I'll start with this disclaimer, we will never feel that we need to make hull designs match the function of every ship. So there's no NEED to switch the hulls on any command ships. This is not something we've decided to do, but it is something we could do and would like your opinions on.
It might be interesting to convert half the command ships into the other BC hull, picking the one that matches their weapon type at the T1 level.
That would (potentially) mean:
Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull This is the kind of thing that we'd expect many people would have strong opinions about, and since it wouldn't have direct gameplay effects we wouldn't consider it worth doing unless there was some significant community support for the idea that overwhelms the opposition.
So, hypothetically, what do you guys think? What I think is that I would MUCH prefer to see a 3rd battlecruiser hull introduced based on the alternate tech 1 hull, and that this new (3rd) Tech 2 Battlecruiser would do something new. The most "Logical" choice would be something built around the cloaking, scanning, pointing trio since these are the "missing" offering in Tech 2 BCs. Cloaking and scanning could be a role bonus to the hulls or integrated into each model, using something along the lines of what I've got below. Myrmidon by Roden Shipyards with bonus to cloaking, scan probing, and warp disruption range, HM/HAM weapon platform http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/LachesisHarbinger by Khanid with bonus to cloaking, scan probing, and heavy neuting bonus, HAM focused weapon platform http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/CurseHurricane by Core Complexion with bonus to scan probing, cloaking, webbing, and target painting, Projectile weapon platform http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/RapierDrake by Kaalakiota with bonus to scan probing, cloaking, and jamming, HM focused weapon platform http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/RookThe ships would still be tough, but they would drop tank and dps for speed and silence and revolve more around niche PVP usage like their Recon counterparts. Consider it? */edit**edit* Plus you could call them something cool like Trackers or Hunters, or even Stalkers! I like Trackers myself though!
They are called T3s, or strategic cruisers.
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CCP Fozzie
C C P C C P Alliance
6467
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Posted - 2013.06.18 01:27:00 -
[424] - Quote
Melek D'Ivri wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:This is something I've been thinking about during my predesign for the command ships.
I'll start with this disclaimer, we will never feel that we need to make hull designs match the function of every ship. So there's no NEED to switch the hulls on any command ships. This is not something we've decided to do, but it is something we could do and would like your opinions on.
It might be interesting to convert half the command ships into the other BC hull, picking the one that matches their weapon type at the T1 level.
That would (potentially) mean:
Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull This is the kind of thing that we'd expect many people would have strong opinions about, and since it wouldn't have direct gameplay effects we wouldn't consider it worth doing unless there was some significant community support for the idea that overwhelms the opposition.
So, hypothetically, what do you guys think? What I think is that I would MUCH prefer to see a 3rd battlecruiser hull introduced based on the alternate tech 1 hull, and that this new (3rd) Tech 2 Battlecruiser would do something new. The most "Logical" choice would be something built around the cloaking, scanning, pointing trio since these are the "missing" offering in Tech 2 BCs. Cloaking and scanning could be a role bonus to the hulls or integrated into each model, using something along the lines of what I've got below. Myrmidon by Roden Shipyards with bonus to cloaking, scan probing, and warp disruption range, HM/HAM weapon platform http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/LachesisHarbinger by Khanid with bonus to cloaking, scan probing, and heavy neuting bonus, HAM focused weapon platform http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/CurseHurricane by Core Complexion with bonus to scan probing, cloaking, webbing, and target painting, Projectile weapon platform http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/RapierDrake by Kaalakiota with bonus to scan probing, cloaking, and jamming, HM focused weapon platform http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/RookThe ships would still be tough, but they would drop tank and dps for speed and silence and revolve more around niche PVP usage like their Recon counterparts. Consider it? */edit**edit* Plus you could call them something cool like Trackers or Hunters, or even Stalkers! I like Trackers myself though!
Maybe someday, but that has nothing to do with this thread since these ideas are nowhere near the same timescale. Game Designer | Team Five-0 https://twitter.com/CCP_Fozzie |
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Hosedna
FumbleFamily Corp
34
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Posted - 2013.06.18 07:13:00 -
[425] - Quote
Would love having a tech 2 myrm ! This is my favorite ship design, and I would really love having more options to fly it :) For the rest of the racial hulls ... I don't really care :p |
Chi'Nane T'Kal
Interminatus Aeterna Anima
92
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Posted - 2013.06.18 07:57:00 -
[426] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull
Any news on this awesome idea? |
0racle
Galactic Rangers R O G U E
28
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Posted - 2013.06.18 08:02:00 -
[427] - Quote
Dorion Strag wrote:Gonna go with a yes. It's always bothered me a bit that the command ships for each race used the same model.
Assault ships. Interceptors. Recon ships. You're changing quite a few rules in the process in regards to consistency. Change one you have to change the lot, and the Sleipnir and Absolution in particular have always been iconic in their roles. No to the change, personally. Some ship classes can take doubling up. |
Warde Guildencrantz
TunDraGon Drunk 'n' Disorderly
713
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Posted - 2013.06.18 10:59:00 -
[428] - Quote
Chi'Nane T'Kal wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:
Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull Any news on this awesome idea?
nighthawk having drake hull will make me sooooooooooo mad. black and red ferox hull is AMAZING. seriously. Every missile jockey agrees the ferox looks sexy, but it doesnt use missiles. Then they see the nighthawk and are like WANT IT NAO |
Shova'k
Attero Industries
1
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Posted - 2013.06.18 12:25:00 -
[429] - Quote
as an avid and nearly maxed out command ship pilot for all of the command ships I like the hull swap idea.
(also make the nighthawk more usefull) am sorta used to the sleipnir as a cyclone but i love the cane model as well :P |
Marcel Devereux
Aideron Robotics
231
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Posted - 2013.06.18 14:17:00 -
[430] - Quote
Field command ships should be changed to the Attack BC's. For the Fleet Command ships, flip a coin. |
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Krell Kroenen
Miners In Possession
173
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Posted - 2013.06.18 15:03:00 -
[431] - Quote
Just thought I would throw in my support to changing the Command ship hulls around. A T2 Myrm would be nice to see. |
DeLindsay
Galaxies Fall
267
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Posted - 2013.06.18 23:01:00 -
[432] - Quote
Marcel Devereux wrote:Field command ships should be changed to the Attack BC's. For the Fleet Command ships, flip a coin. There is no more Fleet/Field once Tiericide hits CS's.
The Operative:-á"There are a lot of innocent people being killed in the air right now".
Capt. Malcolm Reynolds:-á"You have no idea how true that is". |
Jerick Ludhowe
The Scope Gallente Federation
468
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Posted - 2013.06.18 23:35:00 -
[433] - Quote
Marcel Devereux wrote:Field command ships should be changed to the Attack BC's. For the Fleet Command ships, flip a coin.
Just what we need, 8 large gun t2 bcs with t2 resistances and double damage bonuses.... If you put anything other than large guns on these hulls people are going to cry so yeah....
Seriously guys... Suggestions, think before you post them.
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Melek D'Ivri
Wheel Tappers And Shunters
20
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Posted - 2013.06.19 01:00:00 -
[434] - Quote
Shova'k wrote:as an avid and nearly maxed out command ship pilot for all of the command ships I like the hull swap idea.
(also make the nighthawk more usefull) am sorta used to the sleipnir as a cyclone but i love the cane model as well :P You're killing me bro! Get behind my "new tech 2 bc" idear instead! haha |
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
411
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Posted - 2013.06.19 01:05:00 -
[435] - Quote
Melek D'Ivri wrote:Shova'k wrote:as an avid and nearly maxed out command ship pilot for all of the command ships I like the hull swap idea.
(also make the nighthawk more usefull) am sorta used to the sleipnir as a cyclone but i love the cane model as well :P You're killing me bro! Get behind my "new tech 2 bc" idear instead! haha
Fozzie already put the knife in its heart, so nothing to get behind here. Besides, your idea is better served by having its own thread rather than derailing this one. |
Melek D'Ivri
United Eve Directorate Academy
20
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Posted - 2013.06.22 15:56:00 -
[436] - Quote
Fozzie already put the knife in its heart, so nothing to get behind here. Besides, your idea is better served by having its own thread rather than derailing this one.[/quote]
I have but it's mixed with Battleship and Destroyer classes also. On top of it it's a large work in progress and very barebones at the moment.
I just really don't want to lose my sexy Damnation I'm currently sitting in and trade it in for a worthless piece of garbage that looks bad too. (at least for what I do in EVE, it's a good ship otherwise).
*Trollable moment* If I wanted to derail something I'd go find a Hybrid guns rebalancing thread |
DrysonBennington
Eagle's Talon's
33
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Posted - 2013.06.22 16:34:00 -
[437] - Quote
I like what CCP did with the Nemesis. The redesign set it apart from the rest of the Tristan Class of Frigates.
I think that all T2 variants should be redesigned in the same manner as the Nemesis.
After all T2's are better variants than their T1 counter-parts so why should such a distinction merely be seen as the same hull with a different painting scheme applied? |
Roseline Penshar
Illusory Superiority R O G U E
10
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Posted - 2013.06.22 16:44:00 -
[438] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:This is something I've been thinking about during my predesign for the command ships.
I'll start with this disclaimer, we will never feel that we need to make hull designs match the function of every ship. So there's no NEED to switch the hulls on any command ships. This is not something we've decided to do, but it is something we could do and would like your opinions on.
It might be interesting to convert half the command ships into the other BC hull, picking the one that matches their weapon type at the T1 level.
That would (potentially) mean:
Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull This is the kind of thing that we'd expect many people would have strong opinions about, and since it wouldn't have direct gameplay effects we wouldn't consider it worth doing unless there was some significant community support for the idea that overwhelms the opposition.
So, hypothetically, what do you guys think?
it would be wonderful, they have different bonus and role that makes a sense they have different hull too |
Tiber Ibis
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
48
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Posted - 2013.06.22 18:21:00 -
[439] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:This is something I've been thinking about during my predesign for the command ships.
I'll start with this disclaimer, we will never feel that we need to make hull designs match the function of every ship. So there's no NEED to switch the hulls on any command ships. This is not something we've decided to do, but it is something we could do and would like your opinions on.
It might be interesting to convert half the command ships into the other BC hull, picking the one that matches their weapon type at the T1 level.
That would (potentially) mean:
Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull This is the kind of thing that we'd expect many people would have strong opinions about, and since it wouldn't have direct gameplay effects we wouldn't consider it worth doing unless there was some significant community support for the idea that overwhelms the opposition.
So, hypothetically, what do you guys think? A T2 Hurricane. ...One word I have for you Fozzie, "Awesome". :) |
Tiber Ibis
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
48
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Posted - 2013.06.22 18:26:00 -
[440] - Quote
IamBeastx wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:
Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull Yes to EOS hull change. Yes to Abso hull change. Yes to Nighthawk hull change. No to sleipnir hull change, this ship is far too widely known and remembered with its current hull, almost EVERY tournament and day to day fighting it gets seen. Change the claymore hull maybe, but deffo no to sleipnir hull change imo. I wouldn't really care which is which to be honest. But in general terms, having a T2 of each BC hull would be a great move. |
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Draunin
Easy Co. Fatal Ascension
3
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Posted - 2013.06.22 18:42:00 -
[441] - Quote
I think this is a fantastic idea I even like the Sleipnir change even though it is iconic the landscape of eve is always changing there is no need to be stagnant. I think it honestly fits much better with the rest of the ships in the game to have 2 different ones based on two different T1 hulls as there is no other ship in the game that does this. This is even more notable with the changes coming to CS as they will be performing the same roles with different weapons there needs to be some differentiation to the ships to better place them in these categories. |
Draunin
Easy Co. Fatal Ascension
3
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Posted - 2013.06.22 18:59:00 -
[442] - Quote
Draunin wrote:I think this is a fantastic idea I even like the Sleipnir change even though it is iconic the landscape of eve is always changing there is no need to be stagnant. I think it honestly fits much better with the rest of the ships in the game to have 2 different ones based on two different T1 hulls as there is no other ship in the game that does this. This is even more notable with the changes coming to CS as they will be performing the same roles with different weapons there needs to be some differentiation to the ships to better place them in these categories.
Well there are a couple other T2 hulls that are duplicates but I don't like it on any of them (some have no reasonable alternative though). Now however with the tiericide hitting the CS the different hulls (and bonuses) make more sense than ever. |
Jerick Ludhowe
trolllolcorp
472
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Posted - 2013.06.22 19:08:00 -
[443] - Quote
Draunin wrote:I think this is a fantastic idea I even like the Sleipnir change even though it is iconic the landscape of eve is always changing there is no need to be stagnant.
Agreed on the Sleipnir change... The only reason it's Iconic anyway is because it's been so horrendously overpowered compared to the other field commands over the last 7 years that it's seen a ton of usage. If the other field commands had the same number of slots as the Sleipnir (ccp is bad) I highly doubt it would nearly as Iconic as it is today.
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Battlingbean
Perkone Caldari State
13
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Posted - 2013.06.28 09:30:00 -
[444] - Quote
So is this happening? |
Jill Antaris
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
54
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Posted - 2013.06.28 10:14:00 -
[445] - Quote
Jerick Ludhowe wrote:Draunin wrote:I think this is a fantastic idea I even like the Sleipnir change even though it is iconic the landscape of eve is always changing there is no need to be stagnant. Agreed on the Sleipnir change... The only reason it's Iconic anyway is because it's been so horrendously overpowered compared to the other field commands over the last 7 years that it's seen a ton of usage. If the other field commands had the same number of slots as the Sleipnir (ccp is bad) I highly doubt it would nearly as Iconic as it is today.
They are not, but minmatar hulls where actually designed around a worse weapon system(projectiles before the projectile buff) and split weapon design and got extra slots, fitting and generous sig/speed to compensate.
So, the cyclone was a split weapon platform and the sleipnir was not, ccp still did keep carry over most of the design baselines. |
Tetsedah Izuto
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
38
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Posted - 2013.06.28 15:11:00 -
[446] - Quote
You have my support to change the hulls. Great idea. +1 |
Nagarythe Tinurandir
Tormented of Destiny The Kadeshi
136
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Posted - 2013.06.28 15:29:00 -
[447] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:
That would (potentially) mean:
Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull This is the kind of thing that we'd expect many people would have strong opinions about, and since it wouldn't have direct gameplay effects we wouldn't consider it worth doing unless there was some significant community support for the idea that overwhelms the opposition.
So, hypothetically, what do you guys think?
awesome idea!
would the newSleip&friends get a slightly changed model, like the vargur for example? a 'vargurified' cane model for a sleipnir would be badass to the power of infinity ... do it. like nao!
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Markku Laaksonen
EVE University Ivy League
148
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Posted - 2013.06.28 15:59:00 -
[448] - Quote
It makes sense to have the command ships weapons follow the weapons of the T1 BC hulls. (Did I say that right?) I'd be for this. It's just a graphical change, and makes sense. It is an all or nothing, like Fozzie recognizes, and I'm all in.
Edit: Would it be an easy thing for the art team or would it be better to wait until they got around to T2-ifying the command ship hulls and changing the hulls at that point? |
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
562
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Posted - 2013.06.28 16:14:00 -
[449] - Quote
Nagarythe Tinurandir wrote:awesome idea!
would the newSleip&friends get a slightly changed model, like the vargur for example? a 'vargurified' cane model for a sleipnir would be badass to the power of infinity ... do it. like nao! It's been stated that all T2 hulls are eventually going to be "Vargurified", so yes it would be a modified Hurricane rather than just a normal one with Boundless Creation colors.
Fun Trivia: The currently-underway remodel of the Paladin into its own unique hull required that 60% of the ship be redesigned. (Source: CCP BunnyVirus)
Markku Laaksonen wrote:It makes sense to have the command ships weapons follow the weapons of the T1 BC hulls. (Did I say that right?) I'd be for this. It's just a graphical change, and makes sense. It is an all or nothing, like Fozzie recognizes, and I'm all in.
Edit: Would it be an easy thing for the art team or would it be better to wait until they got around to T2-ifying the command ship hulls and changing the hulls at that point?
If I were to guess, I'd say that the hull changes would wait until such time as Command Ships came up in the Art Dept's schedule of T2 ships to modify. Then they'd hold back the visual changes until all four were ready, put out a devblog when they were nearing release explaining what's going on, and then put out all eight (completely swapped + simply modified) new hulls at once. |
Nagarythe Tinurandir
Tormented of Destiny The Kadeshi
136
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Posted - 2013.06.28 16:30:00 -
[450] - Quote
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:Nagarythe Tinurandir wrote:awesome idea!
would the newSleip&friends get a slightly changed model, like the vargur for example? a 'vargurified' cane model for a sleipnir would be badass to the power of infinity ... do it. like nao! It's been stated that all T2 hulls are eventually going to be "Vargurified", so yes it would be a modified Hurricane rather than just a normal one with Boundless Creation colors. Fun Trivia: The currently-underway remodel of the Paladin into its own unique hull required that 60% of the ship be redesigned. (Source: CCP BunnyVirus)
sweet :) |
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Arrigo Glokta
18
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Posted - 2013.06.28 16:51:00 -
[451] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:This is something I've been thinking about during my predesign for the command ships.
I'll start with this disclaimer, we will never feel that we need to make hull designs match the function of every ship. So there's no NEED to switch the hulls on any command ships. This is not something we've decided to do, but it is something we could do and would like your opinions on.
It might be interesting to convert half the command ships into the other BC hull, picking the one that matches their weapon type at the T1 level.
That would (potentially) mean:
Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull This is the kind of thing that we'd expect many people would have strong opinions about, and since it wouldn't have direct gameplay effects we wouldn't consider it worth doing unless there was some significant community support for the idea that overwhelms the opposition.
So, hypothetically, what do you guys think?
Yep. I like it. |
Aki Kaito
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.06.28 19:04:00 -
[452] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote: Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull So, hypothetically, what do you guys think?
CCP Fozzie, make it happen. |
Lephia DeGrande
Luxembourg Space Union
4
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Posted - 2013.06.28 21:43:00 -
[453] - Quote
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3ALwKeSEYs |
Markku Laaksonen
EVE University Ivy League
158
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Posted - 2013.07.07 22:11:00 -
[454] - Quote
Want to bring this back up to the front page. |
Systems Online
Systems Online Corporation
2
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Posted - 2013.07.07 22:30:00 -
[455] - Quote
Markku Laaksonen wrote:Want to bring this back up to the front page.
This. I would like everyone to keep showing support for this.
because:
Quote:This is the kind of thing that we'd expect many people would have strong opinions about, and since it wouldn't have direct gameplay effects we wouldn't consider it worth doing unless there was some significant community support for the idea that overwhelms the opposition.
I think that means people need to spam this thread with "hurr durr I want this change!"
I would personally like my t2 hurricane and t2 myrms |
Qaidan Alenko
State War Academy Caldari State
3748
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Posted - 2013.07.07 22:51:00 -
[456] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:It might be interesting to convert half the command ships into the other BC hull, picking the one that matches their weapon type at the T1 level.
That would (potentially) mean:
Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull This is the kind of thing that we'd expect many people would have strong opinions about, and since it wouldn't have direct gameplay effects we wouldn't consider it worth doing unless there was some significant community support for the idea that overwhelms the opposition.
So, hypothetically, what do you guys think? *Looks intently into Fozzie's eyes, waving his hand nonchalantly...*
Yes, these are the ships you are looking for... Go ahead... Get your-áWham on!!! |
Roime
Ten Thousand Years Shinjiketo
3092
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Posted - 2013.07.08 05:25:00 -
[457] - Quote
This needs to happen!
-á- All I really wanted was to build a castle among the stars - |
Mr Doctor
Los Polos Hermanos. Happy Cartel
25
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Posted - 2013.07.08 10:40:00 -
[458] - Quote
Yes, it must be done. Slep is awesome but the Cyclone model is ugly, make it a Cane! :D |
Shade Alidiana
PROSPERO Corporation MinTek Conglomerate
47
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Posted - 2013.07.08 16:37:00 -
[459] - Quote
I at the same time like and dislike the idea. I like finally having t2 drake, myrm, hurri and harb, and don't want to lose the original nighthawk and absolution. Is there really no way to introduce third hull? No real need, well... Just like their current versions somehow. Actually, Nighthawk is the only way I like Ferox.
+1 anyway |
Gabriel Karade
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
109
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Posted - 2013.07.08 18:21:00 -
[460] - Quote
It is a bad idea swapping hulls on a whim in an environment with 10 years of development - to explain:
Eve has a timeline, and in that timeline, Battlecruiser hulls were a relatively new development among the Empires. Command versions were developed shortly after, but the tier 2 (ok 'tiericide has occurred, but the back-story and time-line remains) and tier 3 versions were much later developments.
Changing hull designs on a whim goes against the grain IMO and where does it stop? Are you going to swap hulls every 2 years when something else changes?
T2 versions of the 'old'' Tier 2's would make sense when there is another technological development (read: role requirement) in the Eve universe.
Gallente MkII: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1227770 War Machine: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=386293 |
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Gabriel Karade
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
109
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Posted - 2013.07.08 18:33:00 -
[461] - Quote
Also if you open this can of worms what about the interceptors? what about assault frigates?
Changing things for the simple "I want a pony" [T2 Drake] attitude/reasoning would be really stupid. By all means as a role evolves, give us those choices, but don't screw the background (i.e different manufacturers taking a standard hull and modifying to their own requirements) in the process.
Gallente MkII: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1227770 War Machine: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=386293 |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
4343
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Posted - 2013.07.08 19:37:00 -
[462] - Quote
These hulls are going to be modified to be unique anyway. Although it may be a "bit" more work there is not reason to not reduce the number of duplicate hulls in EVE when there is a viable and sensible alternative already available.
Diversity is a good thing, especially when some hulls (especially those better suited by historical capability and role) are better for the task than others.
If significant work is going to eventually be done to all of T2 varieties anyway (60% Paladin anyone?) why not do it correctly. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting Home Front Coalition
573
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Posted - 2013.07.08 22:21:00 -
[463] - Quote
I support this idea in full. Would love a T2 Hurricane. |
Nyancat Audeles
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
356
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Posted - 2013.07.09 02:42:00 -
[464] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:This is something I've been thinking about during my predesign for the command ships.
I'll start with this disclaimer, we will never feel that we need to make hull designs match the function of every ship. So there's no NEED to switch the hulls on any command ships. This is not something we've decided to do, but it is something we could do and would like your opinions on.
It might be interesting to convert half the command ships into the other BC hull, picking the one that matches their weapon type at the T1 level.
That would (potentially) mean:
Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull This is the kind of thing that we'd expect many people would have strong opinions about, and since it wouldn't have direct gameplay effects we wouldn't consider it worth doing unless there was some significant community support for the idea that overwhelms the opposition.
So, hypothetically, what do you guys think?
YES PLEASE
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Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
121
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Posted - 2013.07.09 10:36:00 -
[465] - Quote
Gabriel Karade wrote:Also if you open this can of worms what about the interceptors? what about assault frigates?
Changing things for the simple "I want a pony" [T2 Drake] attitude/reasoning would be really stupid. By all means as a role evolves, give us those choices, but don't screw the background (i.e different manufacturers taking a standard hull and modifying to their own requirements) in the process.
I started this thread because I ran over two guys good suggestion (a picture posted by tippia and a statement/question by alara ionstorm), and reposted them with more context here. Initially, I was only asking for the eos, since it is atm the most messed up CS amongst all of them and surely due for a revamp. It's been a dev who then put it into a more concrete design guideline (all CS will be based on former Tier 2 combat BC or none will)
Since the CS all look identical (there was only BC hull a race as you pointed out), there was no option for a choice in hulls. By now, CS are well established, yet completely untouched for oh so long - meaning that they might score high for a need to be 'modernized'. This is on it's own no question for special snowflakes or 'this year, the eos will be a myrm hull', but it was simply an open question how others would feel about it.
I believe that - according to the number of people that post here - most are in agreement with fozzies rather radical idea of telling the art team to design one new CS off each combat CB, though the 'nonono keep it'-front is usually fixated on the nighthawk (Do not change black ferox) and rarely on the sleipnir, whereas a lot of sleipnirusers themselves are torn between 'It's great and iconic as it is, but eos'.
--- The rolechange lastly, that you were adressing, is indeed coming. In many occasions, a revamp of the CS-class has been announced and some rough guidelines have been handed out already, whereas it sounds like that it's only decided yet that every race will have CS featuring two different sets of offensive waeponry. And once they are all equally fun to fly and all useful in more than just the rarest scenarios, would say that would be a great point to deliver the masses with something new to stare at aswell.
I only correct my own spelling. |
Tony S7ark
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
6
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Posted - 2013.07.15 20:47:00 -
[466] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:It might be interesting to convert half the command ships into the other BC hull, picking the one that matches their weapon type at the T1 level.
That would (potentially) mean:
Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull
I`ll have to voice my opinion here. I believe this to be a bad move. Why? They're all iconic ships. Enough said.
Eos was a great drone boat ship and would be best to have it's beard back, to be honest. Sleipnir -> hits like a train and looks like one. The Hurricane hull doesn't do it justice. Absolution -> the bloody beaked eagle. Don't. Just don't. Nighthawk -> the best passive tank missioner ship, has command ship written all over it. The Drake hull is just too bland. |
Minty Aroma
The Metalocalypse is Coming
8
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Posted - 2013.07.15 21:00:00 -
[467] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:This is something I've been thinking about during my predesign for the command ships.
I'll start with this disclaimer, we will never feel that we need to make hull designs match the function of every ship. So there's no NEED to switch the hulls on any command ships. This is not something we've decided to do, but it is something we could do and would like your opinions on.
It might be interesting to convert half the command ships into the other BC hull, picking the one that matches their weapon type at the T1 level.
That would (potentially) mean:
Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull This is the kind of thing that we'd expect many people would have strong opinions about, and since it wouldn't have direct gameplay effects we wouldn't consider it worth doing unless there was some significant community support for the idea that overwhelms the opposition.
So, hypothetically, what do you guys think?
would love my Sleipnir as a cane! I defo +1 this idea! |
Blue mistique
Epsilon Inc Tribal Band
0
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Posted - 2013.07.16 12:11:00 -
[468] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:This is something I've been thinking about during my predesign for the command ships.
Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull
So, hypothetically, what do you guys think? I mentioned this exact thing to CCP Unifex middle of last year at an EvE / Dust 514 fan meet up in North of England - He said that no-one had thought of it before.
Having the Nighthawk on a Ferox hull has always seemed wrong, same with Eos, Sleip and Abso.....
Do it do it do it.....
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Shade Alidiana
PROSPERO Corporation MinTek Conglomerate
49
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Posted - 2013.07.25 21:49:00 -
[469] - Quote
I'd prefer to have Hurri hull on place of Claymore. I mean, there is already one camo Hurri, would like a clear one now.. And I like core complexion's ships. + they don't have too many combat ships.
Would be really nice to fly a completely black Hurricane |
Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
1946
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Posted - 2013.08.01 17:43:00 -
[470] - Quote
Bump for Fozzie. Ch+½j+ì Katrina Oniseki ~ (RDC) Chief Operations Officer ~ [I-RED] Sub-Director of Public Relations |
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Phoenix Jones
Shockwave Innovations Surely You're Joking
132
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Posted - 2013.08.01 17:50:00 -
[471] - Quote
Katrina Oniseki wrote:Bump for Fozzie. Bump for it all |
Baali Tekitsu
Hard Knocks Inc. Kill It With Fire
13
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Posted - 2013.08.01 18:09:00 -
[472] - Quote
I support this Idea. |
Jason Dunham
Andvaranaut Conglomerate
4
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Posted - 2013.08.01 18:53:00 -
[473] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:This is something I've been thinking about during my predesign for the command ships.
I'll start with this disclaimer, we will never feel that we need to make hull designs match the function of every ship. So there's no NEED to switch the hulls on any command ships. This is not something we've decided to do, but it is something we could do and would like your opinions on.
It might be interesting to convert half the command ships into the other BC hull, picking the one that matches their weapon type at the T1 level.
That would (potentially) mean:
Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull This is the kind of thing that we'd expect many people would have strong opinions about, and since it wouldn't have direct gameplay effects we wouldn't consider it worth doing unless there was some significant community support for the idea that overwhelms the opposition.
So, hypothetically, what do you guys think?
Please, please, please do it! I would fly them all just to see that sexy t2 Myrm, Hurricane, Drake, Harbinger action. |
Cuttlasslord
Andvaranaut Conglomerate
1
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Posted - 2013.08.01 19:06:00 -
[474] - Quote
I've thought for a long time that some of the models on the field commands didn't make sense. A drone boat Brutix? Missile boat Ferox? It would be a good time to update the models when the ships are changed anyways. T2 "tier 2" BCs (yeah tiericide happened I know...) would just be really cool. |
X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
1507
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Posted - 2013.08.01 20:14:00 -
[475] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote: That would (potentially) mean:
Eos would use the Myrm hull So, hypothetically, what do you guys think? Myrm got stiffed when Navy Battle Cruisers were introduced. It needs its own Command Ship hull as compensation. And the Eos is it.
Don't really care about the other hulls. |
Pattern Clarc
Aperture Harmonics
585
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Posted - 2013.08.01 20:22:00 -
[476] - Quote
X Gallentius wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote: That would (potentially) mean:
Eos would use the Myrm hull So, hypothetically, what do you guys think? Myrm got stiffed when Navy Battle Cruisers were introduced. It needs its own Command Ship hull as compensation. And the Eos is it. Don't really care about the other hulls.
Ex CSM member & Designer of the Tornado. Gallente - Pilot satisfaction |
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
1057
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Posted - 2013.08.01 20:34:00 -
[477] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:This is something I've been thinking about during my predesign for the command ships.
I'll start with this disclaimer, we will never feel that we need to make hull designs match the function of every ship. So there's no NEED to switch the hulls on any command ships. This is not something we've decided to do, but it is something we could do and would like your opinions on.
It might be interesting to convert half the command ships into the other BC hull, picking the one that matches their weapon type at the T1 level.
That would (potentially) mean:
Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull This is the kind of thing that we'd expect many people would have strong opinions about, and since it wouldn't have direct gameplay effects we wouldn't consider it worth doing unless there was some significant community support for the idea that overwhelms the opposition.
So, hypothetically, what do you guys think?
Me strongly supports this.
Art guys already did an awesome job in differencing Tristan and Nemesis.
Gooo for it, a nerd here and there will spew his poison anyway but seems the majority of players would love this. So why no??? *removed inappropriate ASCII art signature* - CCP Eterne |
X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
1507
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Posted - 2013.08.01 20:38:00 -
[478] - Quote
Just giving an added reason WHY the Eos should get the Myrm hull.....
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Iam Widdershins
Project Nemesis
826
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Posted - 2013.08.01 21:38:00 -
[479] - Quote
Putting in my vote for Sleipnir with the Hurricane hull. I don't know what these whiners are on about, I have more deep attachments to the Hurricane than the Sleipnir. I like the Sleipnir for what it does, not necessarily how it looks.
Edit: Look, I know a lot of people have fond memories of the Sleipnir as it looks right now. Whatever man, I have fond memories of the Absolution as it looks now but I'm not going to ***** about it.
This hull model change brings together two of my favorite things in EVE: a T2 Hurricane model, and the Sleipnir. Lobbying for your right to delete your signature |
PinkKnife
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
384
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Posted - 2013.08.01 21:42:00 -
[480] - Quote
So, now that we have navy BCs on hulls that didn't have T2 variants (harby/drake) what about putting the other command ships on recolored Tier 3 BC hulls? A Sarum Oracle would be pretty damn cool. |
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Pattern Clarc
Aperture Harmonics
595
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Posted - 2013.08.01 21:44:00 -
[481] - Quote
X Gallentius wrote: Just giving an added reason WHY the Eos should get the Myrm hull..... It doesn't even need to be explained. Eos = Myrmidon hull, don't care too much about the rest, end of story, that's all she wrote, period. Ex CSM member & Designer of the Tornado. Gallente - Pilot satisfaction |
Joxxy
Jolly Codgers Get Off My Lawn
18
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Posted - 2013.08.01 23:39:00 -
[482] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:
That would (potentially) mean:
Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull
Yes, yes and oh- YES! |
Travasty Space
Pilots of Epic Tribal Band
25
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Posted - 2013.08.02 00:47:00 -
[483] - Quote
Kel hound wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:Cards on the table, the Sleipnir is the ship I have the greatest emotional attachment to of any ship in EVE. It would look great as a Hurricane, but it would also look DIFFERENT and that makes me feel confused feelings deep inside my heart.
I also don't think this kind of change would be worthwhile unless we did all four and converted them into those specific hulls, since any deviation would make it harder for a new player trying to get information from their looks.
So it's kinda an all or nothing deal, which is what makes it such a difficult question. If its all or nothing then watch me push all my chips to the center cuz I'm all in.
Empty bump of Glorious model changes. |
Sarkelias Anophius
Strange Energy Gentlemen's Agreement
31
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Posted - 2013.08.02 01:06:00 -
[484] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:This is something I've been thinking about during my predesign for the command ships.
I'll start with this disclaimer, we will never feel that we need to make hull designs match the function of every ship. So there's no NEED to switch the hulls on any command ships. This is not something we've decided to do, but it is something we could do and would like your opinions on.
It might be interesting to convert half the command ships into the other BC hull, picking the one that matches their weapon type at the T1 level.
That would (potentially) mean:
Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull This is the kind of thing that we'd expect many people would have strong opinions about, and since it wouldn't have direct gameplay effects we wouldn't consider it worth doing unless there was some significant community support for the idea that overwhelms the opposition.
So, hypothetically, what do you guys think?
Absolutely yes.
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Sylvanium Orlenard
EVE University Ivy League
35
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Posted - 2013.08.02 03:20:00 -
[485] - Quote
Yes, pls Yes, pls Yes, pls Yes.
EOS in the Myrm hull = Priceless :D |
Moksa Elodie
Black-Watch Corporation Heretic Initiative
1
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Posted - 2013.08.02 03:49:00 -
[486] - Quote
100% in favour of this |
Klingon Admiral
Black Hole Cluster
63
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Posted - 2013.08.02 05:17:00 -
[487] - Quote
WTS Nighthawk - I can't stand the blandness that is called the Drake hull. |
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
1428
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Posted - 2013.08.02 05:59:00 -
[488] - Quote
Klingon Admiral wrote:WTS Nighthawk - I can't stand the blandness that is called the Drake hull.
This. If this all goes through I'm going to be extremely ******* pissed off. |
Coldtrace
Cold Lords
0
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Posted - 2013.08.02 10:16:00 -
[489] - Quote
Absolution and Nighthawk, they add a variety to the hulls I normally fly, don't do these changes!
Why not give a choice on what racial BC hull to use and maybe what hull paint to go with it!
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Phoenix Jones
Shockwave Innovations Surely You're Joking
134
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Posted - 2013.08.02 10:20:00 -
[490] - Quote
Coldtrace wrote:Absolution and Nighthawk, they add a variety to the hulls I normally fly, don't do these changes!
Why not give a choice on what racial BC hull to use and maybe what hull paint to go with it!
Recognition issues ingame. You can't figure it out by eyeballing it |
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Vesan Terakol
Sad Face Enterprises
15
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Posted - 2013.08.02 10:42:00 -
[491] - Quote
I'd still say that Claymore should use the Hurricane hull as base, despite fielding missiles. I mean:
http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100622011212/deadliestwarrior/images/1/14/2060gt-1-.jpg
Doesn't the Hurricane happen to look like this?
Edit: broken link. |
Kikusama
Shadows Of The Federation Drunk 'n' Disorderly
17
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Posted - 2013.08.02 11:55:00 -
[492] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote: Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull Eos should get it's old model back, with the moving beard thingie, but updated for V3. Sleipnir, Absolution and Nighthawk should keep their current models, to be honest.
Command ships in general are ships that people are very attached to emotionally. As you well said, they'd be different and it'll make people that trained hard for them p. sad. The Hurricane hull deserves to be on its own, it's just as an iconic ship as the Sleipnir (as it is now). Same goes with the Harbinger.
The Drake hull for a command ship is heresy imho. Yeap, you just trained for 1 year + to fly a different paintjob of a ship that everyone and their mother flew. Ew. Unless you make it black with red stripes (I think it was the Kalakiota or Ishukone Drake or something). Let's be honest, it doesn't scream "awesome". The Ferox hull amazingly fits the purpose, though.
My sincere opinion - if you want to do something with the models, do what you did for the stealth bombers - variations on the same hull. It'll put the art department to work, but will actually give the Command Ships the aura of exclusivity they deserve.
Guns make the news. Science doesn't. |
Cyaron wars
SkREW CREW Local Down
37
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Posted - 2013.08.02 12:36:00 -
[493] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:This is something I've been thinking about during my predesign for the command ships.
I'll start with this disclaimer, we will never feel that we need to make hull designs match the function of every ship. So there's no NEED to switch the hulls on any command ships. This is not something we've decided to do, but it is something we could do and would like your opinions on.
It might be interesting to convert half the command ships into the other BC hull, picking the one that matches their weapon type at the T1 level.
That would (potentially) mean:
Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull This is the kind of thing that we'd expect many people would have strong opinions about, and since it wouldn't have direct gameplay effects we wouldn't consider it worth doing unless there was some significant community support for the idea that overwhelms the opposition.
So, hypothetically, what do you guys think?
Don't u even think to touch Sleipnir hull. I know u had to nerf the hurricane to being useless , now turning sleipnir hull into hurricane isn't going to fool anyone that the cane is good again... |
Siempre Duskwraith
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
5
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Posted - 2013.08.02 12:52:00 -
[494] - Quote
Nighthawk -> Drake
Please god no. Can we all just admit that as the dopey baby's first BC model is was ok, but this is pretty much bullshit. The drake model is god awful.
I have an alt that uses the nighthawk to rat, this will be changing if this goes live. |
El Geo
Pathfinders. The Marmite Collective
124
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Posted - 2013.08.02 12:53:00 -
[495] - Quote
Theodore Giumbix wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:That would (potentially) mean:
Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull This is the kind of thing that we'd expect many people would have strong opinions about, and since it wouldn't have direct gameplay effects we wouldn't consider it worth doing unless there was some significant community support for the idea that overwhelms the opposition.
So, hypothetically, what do you guys think? This would actually make more sense. And speaking about things that makes sense, Caldari also needs some faction hybrid boats, we have enough missile/drone faction boats. - frigates: Caldari Navy Hookbill (missile) , Worm (missile & drones) , even tho Merlin is a hybrid boat - cruisers: Caracal Navy Issue (missile) , Osprey Navy Issue (missile) , Gila (missile&drones even tho the moa & eagle use hybrid guns) - battlecruisers: Drake Navy Issue (missile) - battleships: Raven Navy Issue (missile), Scorpion Navy Issue (missiles), Rattlesnake (missile&drones) How about some faction ferox/rokh hull boats with hybrid guns for caldari and change Gila to use hybrid guns too ?
they could even do simple skins where the bonus's were switched over path-+find-+er (pthfndr, p+ñth-)n. 1. One that discovers a new course or way, especially through or into unexplored regions.
http://www.youtube.com/user/EvEPathfinders/videos?view=0 |
Klingon Admiral
Black Hole Cluster
66
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Posted - 2013.08.02 13:09:00 -
[496] - Quote
My issues with the Nighthawk besides, I am the only one who fears that CCP will fail hard at the Sarum shaders on a Harb? Just remember the old Pala, or currently the Pilgrim, which colors are rather "washed out". Oh the joy of strapping new shaders on now nearly six year old art assets ...
So CCP, please, redesign the BCs next. |
Wanderer Larze
Hunt and Salvage Inc.
0
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Posted - 2013.08.02 13:36:00 -
[497] - Quote
Yes please, I trained into command ships but have yet to pick up a nighthawk because of the current model of the ship. I have always thought it should be the drake model. If this is changed I will finally pick one up to fly. |
Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1320
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Posted - 2013.08.02 13:46:00 -
[498] - Quote
Klingon Admiral wrote:WTS Nighthawk - I can't stand the blandness that is called the Drake hull. let me take it from you. the space cardboard of death is gorgeous and i love it in the face all day every day.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF |
Alsyth
66
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Posted - 2013.08.02 14:16:00 -
[499] - Quote
Just change the EOS to Myrm hull as you made a Navy Brutix and not a Navy Myrm, and everyone would enjoy a new ship based on Mymridon hull.
Do not touch the other, someone who wants another Drake/Harbinger/Hurricane hull can just take the Faction one.
Or if you touch them, add wings, new lights, antennas, or something like that as they all look too similar to the T1 hull apart from color, but don't change the base hull. Please. Or I will hate you forever for making Nighthawk, Sleipnir and Absolution (three of my favourite ships) ugly. |
m3talc0re X
Solar Revolutions Co.
140
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Posted - 2013.08.02 15:48:00 -
[500] - Quote
It's funny, I suggested this before and got relatively no feedback... |
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Kara Corvinus
Empyrean Acolytes
88
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Posted - 2013.08.02 17:29:00 -
[501] - Quote
ugh red myrm?
please use cron colors, black & blue myrm ftw \o/ |
v0cks
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.08.02 17:55:00 -
[502] - Quote
I highly support the changing of the hulls. While you are at it could you PLEASE make the wings on the raven symmetrical (preferably two of the large wings) and fix the butt fugly that is the moa. I would seriously pay you real money to make this happen. |
Ines Tegator
Towels R Us
338
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Posted - 2013.08.02 19:13:00 -
[503] - Quote
So do we have a tech 2 Myrm yet?
Hurry it up! - Mission Overhaul - Bridging the PVP / PVE Gap - -áIf the game stops teaching people to fear lowsec, maybe people will start going there? |
Azn Assassin
Dissidence Dawn C.L.O.N.E.
0
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Posted - 2013.08.02 23:27:00 -
[504] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:This is something I've been thinking about during my predesign for the command ships.
I'll start with this disclaimer, we will never feel that we need to make hull designs match the function of every ship. So there's no NEED to switch the hulls on any command ships. This is not something we've decided to do, but it is something we could do and would like your opinions on.
It might be interesting to convert half the command ships into the other BC hull, picking the one that matches their weapon type at the T1 level.
That would (potentially) mean:
Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull This is the kind of thing that we'd expect many people would have strong opinions about, and since it wouldn't have direct gameplay effects we wouldn't consider it worth doing unless there was some significant community support for the idea that overwhelms the opposition.
So, hypothetically, what do you guys think?
Yes please! |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
2954
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Posted - 2013.08.03 00:36:00 -
[505] - Quote
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8m8bZ7ThlRY
You're welcome people. Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective. |
Ines Tegator
Towels R Us
341
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Posted - 2013.08.04 00:23:00 -
[506] - Quote
ShahFluffers wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8m8bZ7ThlRY You're welcome people. Thanks.
That's one sexy Harb- Absolution. Those colors mean business.
But really, I just want something that uses the myrm hull but is tech 2. The myrm is sexy. I want more excuses to ogle at it. - Mission Overhaul - Bridging the PVP / PVE Gap - -áIf the game stops teaching people to fear lowsec, maybe people will start going there? |
Klingon Admiral
Black Hole Cluster
66
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Posted - 2013.08.04 01:03:00 -
[507] - Quote
Ines Tegator wrote:ShahFluffers wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8m8bZ7ThlRY You're welcome people. Thanks. That's one sexy Harb- Absolution. Those colors mean business. But really, I just want something that uses the myrm hull but is tech 2. The myrm is sexy. I want more excuses to ogle at it.
The colors on the Harbsolution are awful. Ok, not quite as awful as on the old!Paladin, but still quite from good. Remember that the large red areas are at least two colourtones ( the dark bordeaux main colour and some grey-brownish tertiary colour), so as usual for legacy-models with Carthum shaders, the contrast is awful. And the glossiness, og the glossiness. Legacy-models suck.
Additionally, the Sleipcane doesn't grow on me either, and I already said what I think about the Drakehawk.
But that Myrmidon-Eos (no portmaneau name here, sorry) is a sexy ship, that's for sure. |
Javon Bars
FinFleet Northern Coalition.
7
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Posted - 2013.08.04 03:58:00 -
[508] - Quote
Gallente: Not a fan of the brutix model, so a colourful myrm reskin would be nice to see in space.
Minmatar: I'm a fan of the Sleip but lets be honest: the only reason we associate the Cyclone model with the Sleip so strongly was because up until Odyssey the Cyclone was crap and almost nobody ever used it. We're just used to thinking about that model as the Sleip's model instead of the Cyclone's model because the Sleip is awesome and that's rather silly. The Hurricane on the other hand is arguably one of the coolest, slickest and nastiest looking models in the game, giving it to the Sleip would serve both ships great justice, considering that all those adjectives apply to the Sleip itself.
Caldari: Don't like either model tbh, the greater variety would be nice though.
Amarr: The change I dislike the most, the Abso has a gorgeous gold/red colour scheme and the Prophecy hull is far more beautiful than the Harbinger one, still if this is the price we have to pay for greater variety I still think it's worth it.
This change is a wonderful idea, more variety is always welcome because it enriches the game. |
Lorch
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.08.04 12:05:00 -
[509] - Quote
I would love for the hulls to be changed. As much as I like the current Sliepnir model the thought of a Boundless Creation Hurricane hull makes me tingle in new and exiting ways. |
marVLs
352
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Posted - 2013.08.04 12:11:00 -
[510] - Quote
I support only if there will be completely new or very much redone hulls Because now we have Navy BCs on t3 hulls, so even more the same ships with different color?
Hell NO!! |
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pumbatal
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
1
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Posted - 2013.08.04 13:22:00 -
[511] - Quote
yes plz do it
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Mina Sebiestar
Mactabilis Simplex Cursus
391
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Posted - 2013.08.04 13:49:00 -
[512] - Quote
Change for change sake.....
"Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull" <= NO!
Rest of them i don't care and you know what would be great and REAL change..those ships have their own hulls!! http://i.imgur.com/1N37t.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/KTjFEt6.jpg I dont always fly stabber but when i do...
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Solhild
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1070
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Posted - 2013.08.04 15:15:00 -
[513] - Quote
Mina Sebiestar wrote:Change for change sake.....
"Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull" <= NO!
Rest of them i don't care and you know what would be great and REAL change..those ships have their own hulls!!
I'm taking the view that the Hurricane will be to the Sleipnir what the Breacher is to the Hound - or the Tristan to the Nemesis. Can't wait to see what the Art folks come up with for this
Edit: now I'm wondering what a T2 hull from a Cyclone would look like. The black Claymore could be one badass design. Bring it on! |
That Seems Legit
State War Academy Caldari State
48
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Posted - 2013.08.04 15:39:00 -
[514] - Quote
the cyclone hull is ugly as hell, sleipnir cane hull would be amazing. Yes to all the others too. |
Tepalica
ACME-INC
0
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Posted - 2013.08.04 18:02:00 -
[515] - Quote
Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull
This would be nothing short of AWSOME! |
Khellan Charante
SUNDERING Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.08.04 21:43:00 -
[516] - Quote
I love this idea. Having the hull match the t1 version is a really cool concept, and I heartily approve, sir! |
MukkBarovian
Blackwater USA Inc. Pandemic Legion
11
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Posted - 2013.08.04 22:14:00 -
[517] - Quote
YES YES YES YES |
Kikusama
Fairlight Corp Rooks and Kings
20
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Posted - 2013.08.05 10:24:00 -
[518] - Quote
That Seems Legit wrote:the cyclone hull is ugly as hell, sleipnir cane hull would be amazing. Yes to all the others too.
Dude. Your face.
Guns make the news. Science doesn't. |
Bruce McRaven
Uncharted Skies Cerberus Unleashed
3
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Posted - 2013.08.05 14:02:00 -
[519] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull So, hypothetically, what do you guys think?
can't wait for this!
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Drone 16
Law Dogz
23
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Posted - 2013.08.05 15:15:00 -
[520] - Quote
Yes, please |
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Odellia
Meteor Star
0
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Posted - 2013.08.05 19:31:00 -
[521] - Quote
I think the forum ate my post.... ?
I know I'm late to the party, and after reading almost all of the posts I sit in the vast minority. But over the years I have seen changes proposed that have made me want to strangle CCP, but have for the most part kept my mouth shut. This one though, requires my first post to the forums.
As a drone pilot, when the myrm was first introduced I was hands down all for it. Flying the vexor, even after the it's huge nerf (max 12 drones to max 5 drones), was still my go to for many years. I have loved drone combat, even with all it's downfalls, but after flying the myrm for a while it quickly became my most hated hull, next to the Dominix. It looks nice when it's standing still, but as soon as you turn, it turns from cool monolith of death to stupid, wtf sideways wing. weaving back and forth on some god awful off axis, and the damn texture seam running down the middle make it look incomplete, ugh. My only consolation prize for a sub battleship drone hull was the Eos but it was out of reach due to skills. So, I sold the Myrm and kept flying the vexor until I could fly the Ishtar. I eventually was able to fly Eos but quickly found that it was complete suck as both a gun ship and a drone ship. I put the Eos in mothballs and went back to the Ishtar again and eventually the flying potato (Dominix) for level 4 missions.
Now that these changes are coming plus the changes to rails, I'm really looking forward to pulling the Eos out of mothballs and putting it on the field again, but as a myrm hull, HELL NO. I'll fracking reprocess it before I fly another Myrm, no matter the paint job. I may even go as far as to buy them just to reprocess them to avoid seeing them on the field. Again, it feels like CCP is handing me a cookie as a drone pilot then slapping me in the face when I reach for it.
If CCP plans on changing the hulls anyway with new art, then don't bother changing them now. Leave the Eos as is until the new art is ready, then we will talk, and maybe I won't spend my time playing eve reprocessing every Eos I find, but if it is just a derivation of the Myrm, don't bother. Spend the time redesigning the Dominix instead which is old and just as ugly.
As far as the Nighthawk is concerned, I've loved the Ferox hull for as long as I could remember. Changing to the Drake is just rather lame. It's not that I hate the look of the drake, but on the contrary, I'm rather fond of it. But the nighthawk has always had the feeling of being a beast/brawler and the Ferox hull matches that feeling perfectly. The drake is more of a sleek, long range, kiter, which does not match the feeling of the Nighthawk at all.
With the minimitar CS and Amarr CS, I really don't care either way. I dislike the fat chicken and the Harbi hulls equally, and the Cyclone hull always felt like it was flying backwards anyway, so after flying them I sold them almost the same day.
Again, if the new hulls are going to be changed anyway with new art, don't bother changing them now with old hulls and new skins. It's not enough. If the new art is just slapping antennae or little bits to the old hulls, give the artists something else to do. |
Meyr
Shiva The Retirement Club
1
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Posted - 2013.08.05 19:41:00 -
[522] - Quote
I LOVE THIS!!!
+1 +1 +1
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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
5554
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Posted - 2013.08.05 20:13:00 -
[523] - Quote
I would like to see the updated models with something like an added "Flag bridge" separate from the standard bridge. I think it would make it look like something a Fleet Commander would be flying. Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Moneta Curran
Lunar Industries Ltd
128
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Posted - 2013.08.05 20:35:00 -
[524] - Quote
Please don't change the Sleipnir.
It's awesome just the way it is and my love of the model gave me the resolve to train for it.
The " AC equals Hurricane" argument is moot, since the other defining characteristic of the Sleipnir is its active shield tank; shield boosting is still very much Cyclone territory last time I checked.
Don't even think about switching it to HAMs though.. just leave it as is.
In the unlikely case some newbie drops a sub over discovering a certain model is an exception to some arbitrary rule of consistency, **** him.
You are very welcome to change the rest. |
Bubba Bacon
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.08.05 20:37:00 -
[525] - Quote
Wallpapered
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Marwolaeth Arglwydd
The Crabbit Dead Terrorists
27
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Posted - 2013.08.05 20:45:00 -
[526] - Quote
I agree to this idea |
Maraner
The Executioners Insidious Empire
271
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Posted - 2013.08.05 21:24:00 -
[527] - Quote
Tuff one to be honest.
I love the current Sleip look. But I would like to see the other command ships use the suggested hulls from Fozzie's post. SOOoo
YES please.
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Aeril Malkyre
Knights of the Ouroboros
259
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Posted - 2013.08.05 21:52:00 -
[528] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:That would (potentially) mean:
Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull So, hypothetically, what do you guys think? +1, this is an excellent choice. I love the Cyclone hull, but variety is always preferable.
Edit to add: The Hurricane hull would make more sense as the Claymore |
Throktar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
33
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Posted - 2013.08.05 22:01:00 -
[529] - Quote
This is tough because I just love the Absolution model, but it would be neat to see the hulls more varied.
+1, go for it.
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Ammut Irvam
Kamikaze Tactics
3
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Posted - 2013.08.05 23:14:00 -
[530] - Quote
Well chances are I'm not gonna get listened to at all because everyone else is so happy about this change but I'm gonna give my feedback anyways even though it's not like its gonna matter.
I say NOOOOOOOOOOOO 999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999x in to an infinite loop.
Why? Because this is seriously the dumbest change ever... The current ships look fine how they are like really.. their is NO point to change them just because were basing them off an "Attack Variant". EVE has been around for 10+ years and nothings ever changed in the past 10 years why should we change it now. LEAVE **** ALONE jesus.
If ANYTHING was to happen to T2 Ship Models ever it should be completely new models. Not ones based off models already in the game.
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With that being said above, If this change DOES go through which I imagine it probably will seeing is it seems the general consensus of the community likes it.
PLEASE leave the Sleipnir, Nighthawk & Abso alone
I think they are fine the current way they are. The rest of the changes are fine. |
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Doddy
Dark-Rising
866
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Posted - 2013.08.05 23:16:00 -
[531] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:This is something I've been thinking about during my predesign for the command ships.
I'll start with this disclaimer, we will never feel that we need to make hull designs match the function of every ship. So there's no NEED to switch the hulls on any command ships. This is not something we've decided to do, but it is something we could do and would like your opinions on.
It might be interesting to convert half the command ships into the other BC hull, picking the one that matches their weapon type at the T1 level.
That would (potentially) mean:
Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull This is the kind of thing that we'd expect many people would have strong opinions about, and since it wouldn't have direct gameplay effects we wouldn't consider it worth doing unless there was some significant community support for the idea that overwhelms the opposition.
So, hypothetically, what do you guys think?
You get my vote Mr Obama. |
Doddy
Dark-Rising
866
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Posted - 2013.08.05 23:18:00 -
[532] - Quote
Aeril Malkyre wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:That would (potentially) mean:
Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull So, hypothetically, what do you guys think? +1, this is an excellent choice. I love the Cyclone hull, but variety is always preferable. Edit to add: The Hurricane hull would make more sense as the Claymore
No it wouldn't ..... Claymore uses missiles, is clearly the cyclone.
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Doddy
Dark-Rising
866
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Posted - 2013.08.05 23:22:00 -
[533] - Quote
Odellia wrote:
As far as the Nighthawk is concerned, I've loved the Ferox hull for as long as I could remember. Changing to the Drake is just rather lame. It's not that I hate the look of the drake, but on the contrary, I'm rather fond of it. But the nighthawk has always had the feeling of being a beast/brawler and the Ferox hull matches that feeling perfectly. The drake is more of a sleek, long range, kiter, which does not match the feeling of the Nighthawk at all.
Bit weird to base things off your feeling when that feeling is the polar opposite of what the ship is. I mean the nighthawk had the bonus for specifically the long range missile system and has less ehp than the drake which was always great with hams yet you thought it "felt like a brawler in comparison". Isn't that just you being weird?
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Kentucky Nightmare
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.08.06 00:32:00 -
[534] - Quote
The (formerly) Tier 3 BC hulls are some of the best looking hulls in the game. Anything to see them more often, not to mention in new colors, is a good thing in my book. |
Arien Fyre
Virulent Star
0
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Posted - 2013.08.06 00:58:00 -
[535] - Quote
Really feeling like the minority of the forum here but i am very strongly against changing the EOS model, and others for that matter.
How a ship looks does play a big part of training for a ship. And i like the EOS and hate the Myrm. I even thought the EOS has been around longer then the Myrm.
I could be wrong here and would like someone to clarify, but i cannot recall at anytime in EVE a ship has had its model swapped for another ship. its a drastic change.
I do recall the stealth bombers got a model update - however the difference there is an entirely new and unique model was given to them.
Again, feeling very strongly about this. |
Aglais
Liberation Army
328
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Posted - 2013.08.06 01:05:00 -
[536] - Quote
Three subpar Drake hulls. Just what EVE needs. |
Praetor Hartgan
Angel's of Death
1
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Posted - 2013.08.06 02:27:00 -
[537] - Quote
Wonderful Idea. +1 Yes please! |
Bayushi Tamago
Exiled Kings Enlightened Violence
54
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Posted - 2013.08.06 05:22:00 -
[538] - Quote
I would fly the **** out of a t2 drake, cane, or myrm. Not sure how I feel about the harbinger, but if it is done right I would probably train up lasers just for it. |
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld White Mountain Coalition
301
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Posted - 2013.08.06 09:57:00 -
[539] - Quote
+1 lets do it based on the drake/nighthawk change alone. Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction... |
Tess La'Coil
Mercurialis Inc. RAZOR Alliance
44
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Posted - 2013.08.06 10:48:00 -
[540] - Quote
-deleted- Someone once said I was a muppet. If that's so, I'm quite sure the Swedish Chef is my brother.-á |
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Dead-eye Flint
Lone Star Unlimited
0
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Posted - 2013.08.06 13:35:00 -
[541] - Quote
Please reconsider and avoid going through with this change.
With EvE's rather unconventional/unique hulldesigns it has been extremely difficult to find a ship that offers both a visually and gameplaywise appealing design. And while most likely not all that numerous overall, there are likely to be a lot of pilots who chose to train for certain (command)ships at least partially based on their appearance.
In my case it was the Nighthawk that offered a good combination of tank-type, weaponsystem and hulldesign that I liked. Its design played a major factor in my decision to invest all this traning time needed to fly it properly and also made me willing to accept its sub-par performance.
People like me may be in the minority but we do exist and such a change will remove us from the list of players flying the ship(s) in question, there is no doubt about it.
The question is now, are there really so many people around that will suddenly start flying these ships due to the change, as opposed to all of us who will be more or less forced to abandon them. Either way, this change going through will mean upsetting and at the very least frustrating a portion of the playerbase. Is that really worth it?
ps: for me too this is the first time that I saw the need to post on these forums after playing for multiple years. |
ConranAntoni
Empyrean Warriors Insidious Empire
74
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Posted - 2013.08.06 14:50:00 -
[542] - Quote
Excellent idea, +1, change it, it'll add much needed hull type diversity. |
Trigalisk
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
10
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Posted - 2013.08.06 15:55:00 -
[543] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull I'm not entirely sure about Sleip and Nighthawk, but Eos and Abso - yes, please! :)
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Odellia
Meteor Star
0
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Posted - 2013.08.07 01:05:00 -
[544] - Quote
Doddy wrote:Odellia wrote:
As far as the Nighthawk is concerned, I've loved the Ferox hull for as long as I could remember. Changing to the Drake is just rather lame. It's not that I hate the look of the drake, but on the contrary, I'm rather fond of it. But the nighthawk has always had the feeling of being a beast/brawler and the Ferox hull matches that feeling perfectly. The drake is more of a sleek, long range, kiter, which does not match the feeling of the Nighthawk at all.
Bit weird to base things off your feeling when that feeling is the polar opposite of what the ship is. I mean the nighthawk had the bonus for specifically the long range missile system and has less ehp than the drake which was always great with hams yet you thought it "felt like a brawler in comparison". Isn't that just you being weird?
Your thinly veiled attempt at saying "Your opinion doesn't match mine so it is clearly wrong" is duly noted. However I will respond to why I feel the nighthawk felt like a brawler. I always played the nighthawk with HAM's, which gave it a range out to 20km or so with my skills. At the time 20km always felt like close range combat, since at that range I was always getting hammered by NPC's but easily brushing off their hits with my passive fit. This is why it felt like a brawler compared to it's brother/sister which is clearly a sniper boat. However, this is off topic so no more will be said.
I already said I don't want the changes, especially to the Eos. Myrm model is shite, looks unfinished and flies just as bad. If anything I would love to see the Myrm re-envisioned, or at least finished, then maybe you can make the Eos the new Myrm. But for now, Myrm is the sore thumb of BC's. Sticks out and looks dumb. |
Invisusira
The Rising Stars The Initiative.
186
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Posted - 2013.08.07 05:13:00 -
[545] - Quote
Buff the Harbinger model like you did the Apoc and then yes. Else, no.
Harbinger is like the friends don't let friends skip leg day guy. It needs a fatter ass; for such a badass dps ship it looks a bit silly from the back. Core Skills | EVE Music | Internet Spaceship Killboard Link |
Dead-eye Flint
Lone Star Unlimited
0
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Posted - 2013.08.07 09:33:00 -
[546] - Quote
There is another argument against this change, at least regarding the Nighthawk (I cannot speak for the other Command Ships due to limited experience with them).
Part of the reason why so many people are supporting the idea at hand is because they wish for a greater ship diversity on the field (rightfully so in my oppinion). Now compare the amount of Drakes/Navy Drakes that you come across with the combined number of Ferox, Nighthawk and Vulture models that can be found flying all across the EvE universe.
Based on all my time here that comparison already heavily favors the Drake-count. Thus from what I have seen changing the Nighthawk model to a Drake would further reduce the actual ship diversity. |
Eldrith Jhandar
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
3
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Posted - 2013.08.08 14:05:00 -
[547] - Quote
I am very much looking forward to this change, to all of these ships =] |
SOL Ranger
Jaeger Squadron
1
|
Posted - 2013.08.08 14:09:00 -
[548] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote: ...
Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull ...
So, hypothetically, what do you guys think?
Yes please, make it happen. |
Alsyth
80
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Posted - 2013.08.08 14:49:00 -
[549] - Quote
EOS to myrmidon hull just because you did an exception with faction Brutix. Eos being mostly unused now it won't annoy anyone.
All the others stay the same, no reason to change them.
If you really want to change them, putting the tier 3 BC hulls would be as (il)logical, tbh... |
Char Newak
0
|
Posted - 2013.08.08 20:32:00 -
[550] - Quote
This change won't bring a greater Ship diversity, just mostly the same Shipmodels with a diffrent visual appeareance
strictly NO!
to this change. |
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Phaade
Debitum Naturae WHY so Seri0Us
37
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Posted - 2013.08.08 20:38:00 -
[551] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:This is something I've been thinking about during my predesign for the command ships.
I'll start with this disclaimer, we will never feel that we need to make hull designs match the function of every ship. So there's no NEED to switch the hulls on any command ships. This is not something we've decided to do, but it is something we could do and would like your opinions on.
It might be interesting to convert half the command ships into the other BC hull, picking the one that matches their weapon type at the T1 level.
That would (potentially) mean:
Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull This is the kind of thing that we'd expect many people would have strong opinions about, and since it wouldn't have direct gameplay effects we wouldn't consider it worth doing unless there was some significant community support for the idea that overwhelms the opposition.
So, hypothetically, what do you guys think?
Hell yeah!
DOOOO EEEEETTT! |
Char Newak
0
|
Posted - 2013.08.08 21:16:00 -
[552] - Quote
oh, and beside...: /ironic mode on this change would be really good, forcing ressources in such a Project instead of developing newer and greater Content. this "hull-change" will Keep People away from playing Starcitizen i.e. just because of new(old) awesome ship-hulls /ironic mode off |
Lephia DeGrande
Luxembourg Space Union
24
|
Posted - 2013.08.08 22:04:00 -
[553] - Quote
Char Newak wrote:oh, and beside...: /ironic mode on this change would be really good, forcing ressources in such a Project instead of developing newer and greater Content. this "hull-change" will Keep People away from playing Starcitizen i.e. just because of new(old) awesome ship-hulls /ironic mode off
/ironic mode on Its like People could do something productive in eve like help New Capsulers which would be better then Posting useless postings without any content... /ironic mode off
We do not need 4 Brutix /thread |
Satyr Bloodstone
The Blood and Stone Group
0
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Posted - 2013.08.09 21:58:00 -
[554] - Quote
I would be supportive of all changes. All those hulls are awesome and it would let us see more of them. I would love to see my Sleipnir looking like a Cane or my Nighthawk looking like a suped-up Drake. |
Zamyslinski
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
1
|
Posted - 2013.08.11 11:19:00 -
[555] - Quote
Dont change the hulls until your art department got 4 new hulls for the command ships ready. Dont be ******* lazy CCP |
Lloyd Roses
Blue-Fire Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
148
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Posted - 2013.08.11 11:39:00 -
[556] - Quote
Dear people who are responsible for the design... Will there be a sneak preview for the design? I only correct my own spelling. |
Whitehound
1805
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Posted - 2013.08.11 12:34:00 -
[557] - Quote
It would be an unnecessary change with at best a superficial gain. There are several more cases, not only command ships, where one can question the choice of hull, but I have come to think that it is only a lack of imagination, which is driving this need for a change. If one can imagine one spaceship design to perform a certain function then one can imagine it for almost any hull.
If this was some StarTrek MMO carrying the message of love and understanding then one would do good to care for such details, but this is EVE and it will be a sad day when CCP decides they now care for the superficial needs of nerds. Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling. |
Dun'Gal
Myriad Contractors Inc.
48
|
Posted - 2013.08.11 15:15:00 -
[558] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull
Yes, many times over |
Illyria Dalmatae
Interwebz Space Jerks
0
|
Posted - 2013.08.11 18:14:00 -
[559] - Quote
I would much rather a complete redesign of the Harbinger Hull (Like the Apoc) or a New Absolution model before simply changing the paint job of a Harbinger and calling it a Absolution. |
Lucine Delacourt
The Covenant of Blood
9
|
Posted - 2013.08.11 18:34:00 -
[560] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull
I think it would be better the other way around. That would allow people that like the Drake hull to have 2 missile and one gun variant. Missile or laser version of the Harb hull, Drone or Hybrid version of the Myrm hull etc. |
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GetSirrus
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
49
|
Posted - 2013.08.11 21:58:00 -
[561] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:Cards on the table, the Sleipnir is the ship I have the greatest emotional attachment to of any ship in EVE. It would look great as a Hurricane, but it would also look DIFFERENT and that makes me feel confused feelings deep inside my heart.
I also don't think this kind of change would be worthwhile unless we did all four and converted them into those specific hulls, since any deviation would make it harder for a new player trying to get information from their looks.
So it's kinda an all or nothing deal, which is what makes it such a difficult question.
Fozzie, how possible would be it to allow for the option of selecting the racial BC hull to use for the T2 output? Myrmidon hull in, vertical Eos out. It would make a nice niche industry - pimping your ride business. |
Petrov Kreigt
TunDraGon Suddenly Spaceships.
8
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Posted - 2013.08.11 22:36:00 -
[562] - Quote
Myrm EOS is cool, i could get behind that... Even though its the fleet command ship and the only one in these proposed changes.
Sleipnir - Hell no Absolution - Even more hell no Nighthawk - Oh hell hell hell no.
|
Petrov Kreigt
TunDraGon Suddenly Spaceships.
8
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Posted - 2013.08.11 22:39:00 -
[563] - Quote
GetSirrus wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:Cards on the table, the Sleipnir is the ship I have the greatest emotional attachment to of any ship in EVE. It would look great as a Hurricane, but it would also look DIFFERENT and that makes me feel confused feelings deep inside my heart.
I also don't think this kind of change would be worthwhile unless we did all four and converted them into those specific hulls, since any deviation would make it harder for a new player trying to get information from their looks.
So it's kinda an all or nothing deal, which is what makes it such a difficult question. Fozzie, how possible would be it to allow for the option of selecting the racial BC hull to use for the T2 output? Myrmidon hull in, vertical Eos out. It would make a nice niche industry - pimping your ride business.
I like this idea. The people wanting change get what they want, and the people against it get what they want.
A command ship is a modified BC hull with warfare modules etc etc... so why not give the ability to modify either of the 2 BC hulls to create a command ship. |
Seagrey Raholan
TriFlexure Void-Legion
2
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Posted - 2013.08.12 01:57:00 -
[564] - Quote
I think changing the hulls of the command ships is a great idea, I also think the idea of all T2 ships looking different someday, is an even better idea and really hope this happens. Even maybe looking completely different?? but can't have everything :) |
Serena Stormrunner
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
|
Posted - 2013.08.12 05:02:00 -
[565] - Quote
DJWiggles wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:
Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull
HAVE MY BABIES NAIOW!!!!!!!!!!!!! THIS A THOUSAND TIMES YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
QFT! |
Seolfor
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
4
|
Posted - 2013.08.12 05:41:00 -
[566] - Quote
Um, No - the Nighthawk, to me, is the sexiest ship in EvE.
I fly it, with far better alternatives available, only cause i cant stop admiring its curves and super paint combo.
I cant imagine Sleipnir and Absolution enthusiasts would like this either.
I still see the merit of this idea though.
Now, maybe, they should add custom hulls as a feature in the winter xpack - Nighthawk, build either as a Drake or Ferox hull. Exact same stats, just looks different, depending on the BPC/BPO used.
OR make them differ in stats, random e.g.
reduce base hull bonus -5% HML/HAM Dmg, Nighthawk, using Drake Hull - +5% shield resist [makes it a 25% shield resist, -5% Dmg version NHawk] Nighthawk, using Ferox Hull - +5% Launcher Dmg [ie makes it the 'original' post balance NHawk stats]
The meta i guess plays like with T3s i.e. look at it and know what youre likely fighting. |
Balzac Legazou
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
28
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Posted - 2013.08.12 06:31:00 -
[567] - Quote
While I like the idea of having more distinctive hulls for each ship, I can't say I find the Myrmidon very suited to a fleet command ship role. It just doesn't look tough enough. I'd rather keep the Eos as is and make the Astarte look a bit more like the Talos, for example. I'd also keep the Sleipnir as is and change the Claymore instead.
Ideally they should all have unique hulls (even if those are inspired by T1 BC hulls) and not just new textures, anyway.
|
Shade Alidiana
PROSPERO Corporation MinTek Conglomerate
52
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Posted - 2013.08.12 11:57:00 -
[568] - Quote
Switchable paintjobs, why not? Or just really more different hulls. Right now I don't see too much choice if I want to fill a special role. Specialisation could be good but it forces some decisions, like I don't train CS to high level and buy a sliepnir because I hate Cyclone-based hulls and boundless creations paintjobs, although I appreciate its capabilities. Other people trained sliepnir for what it is (probably). Same for nighthawk: I like it in ferox hull, but still want something like t2 drake.
What about variations during invention? Choosing what corp to pick for assistance (through RDbs) to get different stats and paintjob. This will create lots of issues, though, so won't happen... But still. |
Markku Laaksonen
EVE University Ivy League
169
|
Posted - 2013.08.13 04:29:00 -
[569] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:That would (potentially) mean:
Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull In case I haven't posted before, I would support this. |
Conmen
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
27
|
Posted - 2013.08.13 05:00:00 -
[570] - Quote
I support the hull changes. |
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JetCord
People of Random Nature
9
|
Posted - 2013.08.13 05:14:00 -
[571] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:This is something I've been thinking about during my predesign for the command ships.
I'll start with this disclaimer, we will never feel that we need to make hull designs match the function of every ship. So there's no NEED to switch the hulls on any command ships. This is not something we've decided to do, but it is something we could do and would like your opinions on.
It might be interesting to convert half the command ships into the other BC hull, picking the one that matches their weapon type at the T1 level.
That would (potentially) mean:
Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull This is the kind of thing that we'd expect many people would have strong opinions about, and since it wouldn't have direct gameplay effects we wouldn't consider it worth doing unless there was some significant community support for the idea that overwhelms the opposition.
So, hypothetically, what do you guys think?
if you gonna use the other BC as their T2 base - well industrialist/ inventor have to adjust our production line .
consider this - some racial BC model is being use to make the navy BC - in term of market this will make certain BPC popular than the other and i do consider this to be a direct effect on gameplay and not just fluff stuff
while i do like the hurricane model to be the new sleip i kinda grow fond on the cyclone model
anyway that is my 2 cent
|
Alystin Wyndyl
Night's Shadows Dark Souls.
11
|
Posted - 2013.08.13 06:42:00 -
[572] - Quote
I support the hull changes. Do it! |
Keith Planck
League of Extraordinary Equines Disciples of Vectron
517
|
Posted - 2013.08.13 06:49:00 -
[573] - Quote
I fully support this because of variety is the spice of life, there are always going to be players that like model X over model Y.
But having a choice between X and Y is always better then no choice at all.
(Also with the disappointment that is the navy hurricane's paint job I would love a hurricane hull to the the strongest ship in the game :P) |
Keith Planck
League of Extraordinary Equines Disciples of Vectron
517
|
Posted - 2013.08.13 06:52:00 -
[574] - Quote
GetSirrus wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:Cards on the table, the Sleipnir is the ship I have the greatest emotional attachment to of any ship in EVE. It would look great as a Hurricane, but it would also look DIFFERENT and that makes me feel confused feelings deep inside my heart.
I also don't think this kind of change would be worthwhile unless we did all four and converted them into those specific hulls, since any deviation would make it harder for a new player trying to get information from their looks.
So it's kinda an all or nothing deal, which is what makes it such a difficult question. Fozzie, how possible would be it to allow for the option of selecting the racial BC hull to use for the T2 output? Myrmidon hull in, vertical Eos out. It would make a nice niche industry - pimping your ride business.
Not likely at all. The amount of time it would take to program/impliment that and the strain it would put on local clients, isn't worth an aesthetic change. The thing that makes the changes ccp suggest so easy is that the models are already made, in game and on clients a long with the textures. |
Syrias Bizniz
Space-Brewery-Association 24eme Legion Etrangere
217
|
Posted - 2013.08.13 16:05:00 -
[575] - Quote
I would likje to propose that the Damnation will be on the Harbinger, giving it some sweet, sweet Khanid Colors.
Why?
Because F#CK You, that's why!
No, haha, not really, but because of the following:
Punisher ---> Maller ---> Harbinger ---> Abaddon
Laser dmg + Resistances, all of them.
Punisher has a Missile-Based Tech 2 Platform, the Vengeance. Maller has a Missile-based Tech 2 Platform, the Sacrilege. There is a Tech 2 Battlecruiser which is Missile based, but has a Prophecy Model because ALL Tech 2 BCs are based on former Tier 1 BC.
Which also leads up to one question.
Will there be a Khanid-Abaddon once the Blackops branch gets split up into a more logistics, support orientated, and a more combat orientated roll?
I hope so.
Woah woah woah wait, the Harb doesn't have a resistance bonus? Shocking news. But still, Khanid Harbinger would be sexy. |
Grog Barrel
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
47
|
Posted - 2013.08.18 02:12:00 -
[576] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:Cards on the table, the Sleipnir is the ship I have the greatest emotional attachment to of any ship in EVE.
Well yeah, the slot layout of your beloved pixels made that quite clear from the very beginning, compared to the other FCS hulls. |
Elarath
Armed Aviation Club The Kadeshi
0
|
Posted - 2013.08.25 11:18:00 -
[577] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:This is something I've been thinking about during my predesign for the command ships.
Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull
YES! NOW!
|
Harvey James
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
459
|
Posted - 2013.08.25 17:02:00 -
[578] - Quote
Grog Barrel wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:Cards on the table, the Sleipnir is the ship I have the greatest emotional attachment to of any ship in EVE. Well yeah, the slot layout of your beloved pixels made that quite clear from the very beginning, compared to the other FCS hulls.
perhaps that's why he wouldn't change the sleipnir to cane layout armour link ship Tech 3's need to be multi role ships not cruiser hulls with battleship tank and insane resists ABC's are clearly T2 in all but name AB's need a buff-á like a big mass reduction ... module tiercide FTW role based instead of tiers please. |
Cade Windstalker
Donohue Enterprises Ad-Astra
39
|
Posted - 2013.08.25 17:57:00 -
[579] - Quote
Balzac Legazou wrote:While I like the idea of having more distinctive hulls for each ship, I can't say I find the Myrmidon very suited to a fleet command ship role. It just doesn't look tough enough. I'd rather keep the Eos as is and make the Astarte look a bit more like the Talos, for example. I'd also keep the Sleipnir as is and change the Claymore instead.
Ideally they should all have unique hulls (even if those are inspired by T1 BC hulls) and not just new textures, anyway.
This is completely moot since the Command Ship roles are going away with 1.1. Check the Command Ship changes thread. |
Tatjana Braun
Watschn Inc. The Unthinkables
148
|
Posted - 2013.08.25 19:27:00 -
[580] - Quote
I LOVE IT!!!!!!! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=251179&find Ideen zum Minern, Alles hier! |
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Dutch Motsu
BG-1 The Craniac
0
|
Posted - 2013.08.27 19:29:00 -
[581] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:This is something I've been thinking about during my predesign for the command ships.
I'll start with this disclaimer, we will never feel that we need to make hull designs match the function of every ship. So there's no NEED to switch the hulls on any command ships. This is not something we've decided to do, but it is something we could do and would like your opinions on.
It might be interesting to convert half the command ships into the other BC hull, picking the one that matches their weapon type at the T1 level.
That would (potentially) mean:
Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull This is the kind of thing that we'd expect many people would have strong opinions about, and since it wouldn't have direct gameplay effects we wouldn't consider it worth doing unless there was some significant community support for the idea that overwhelms the opposition.
So, hypothetically, what do you guys think?
Perhaps ccp should create dedicated models for these ships, based on these (or other bc) hulls, rather than reusing the same old drake or myrm hulls that we are always seeing around eve. Kind of like the changes to stealth bombers and Assault Frigates for instance? do the same for HACS and command ships, just to create more variety in ships general appearance. I will use the nighthawk as an example, If they used the drake hull as a base, they could create quite a unique and deadly looking ship. Just a simple thought to make the game look a little better. I'm also 50% sure that there are others who are getting sick of always seeing the same models of ships all the time, having 3 different ships that look identical gets old after a while. some I feel should change to a dedicated model to give us more variety. |
Lephia DeGrande
Luxembourg Space Union
70
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Posted - 2013.08.27 20:20:00 -
[582] - Quote
CCP will create unique Hulls for every Ship sooner... or much much much later. |
Murat Kutosov
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
2
|
Posted - 2013.08.28 00:29:00 -
[583] - Quote
Been wanting this change for years!
Make it so! |
Dyfchris
University of Caille Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.10.01 19:53:00 -
[584] - Quote
No news about this topic ?
I think it's time to name your Myrmidon "Eos Model" |
Narcotic Gryffin
Bombin Busch Wookies
4
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Posted - 2013.10.01 20:22:00 -
[585] - Quote
New models for t2 ships stuck in t1 bodies would be nice. Finish the frig lineup first , make the crow look like a crow in space lol |
Matthew Charbonneaux
Coalescent Dynamics
0
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Posted - 2013.10.01 21:59:00 -
[586] - Quote
Just in case there weren't enough, Like the idea: +1 |
Meyr
SiN Corp
49
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Posted - 2013.10.01 22:17:00 -
[587] - Quote
Myrmidon Eos hull with T2 graphics?
Absolutely! +1 |
Kay Ahn
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2013.10.01 22:44:00 -
[588] - Quote
I guess it's time to provide Viking funeral to my beloved Sleipnir, and putting her Minmatar capsuleer to sleep for a long time. Sweet dreams.
Considering overwhelming support of proposed changes, my attachement to Claymore hull and dislike of Hurricane one, I don't think I will be flying Sleipnir after the inevitable transgender process. Luckily, there are other ships, safe. For now. |
Kenrailae
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
30
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Posted - 2013.10.02 11:50:00 -
[589] - Quote
Sleipnir would still look awesome on a Cane hull
Besides, the Eos will be pure awesome. The Law is a point of View |
Hong Hu
EVE University Ivy League
15
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Posted - 2013.10.02 21:40:00 -
[590] - Quote
Hmmmmm... Sleipnir... Now Slurricane... Not sure I like (or the Eos or the Nighthawk).
In fact the only one that I 'like' is the revolting, putrid, disgusting, patooey Amarr... (role playing, complete)
Would it kill them to just design a whole new hull? They did it for Stealth Bombers.
Hong Hu |
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Matthew Charbonneaux
Coalescent Dynamics
0
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Posted - 2013.10.03 05:09:00 -
[591] - Quote
Hong Hu wrote:Hmmmmm... Sleipnir... Now Slurricane... Not sure I like (or the Eos or the Nighthawk).
In fact the only one that I 'like' is the revolting, putrid, disgusting, patooey Amarr... (role playing, complete)
Would it kill them to just design a whole new hull? They did it for Stealth Bombers.
Hong Hu
Would be cool to see some new skins, even if its just modified versions of the T1s, and I dont mean a colour change, I mean add some spice! Realistically, the designs could use an update from time to time. In the competitive markets that the EVE universe supposedly has, there would be improvements, changes, and upgrades over time. Not only to systems, ala balancing, but to shape as well.
... Need to not drink when I type! |
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
638
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Posted - 2013.10.03 07:43:00 -
[592] - Quote
With the changes being green-lighted for Rubicon, this thread is now obsolete.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=283149&find=unread is where the discussion is happening now. |
NorthCrossroad
EVE University Ivy League
80
|
Posted - 2013.10.03 09:00:00 -
[593] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:That would (potentially) mean:
Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull No. Just NO. Make two command ship a bit different from each - sure, fine. But really Sleip and Absolution are too awesome as they are to change the base hull.
North |
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation Ineluctable.
43
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Posted - 2013.10.03 10:57:00 -
[594] - Quote
Syrias Bizniz wrote:PavlikX wrote:I don't want replacement of absolution model. Exactly, the Harbinger would look way more nasty in Khanid colors anyways.
Definitely NOT! The Harbinger is a terrible model for a ship and should not be used anymore. It's full of flaws and glitches on top of that. |
NearNihil
Every time is Fuwa time
56
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Posted - 2013.10.03 11:23:00 -
[595] - Quote
Confirming I'm the only one in EVE who likes the Harbinger's look.
That said: while I haven't flown any of the CS before, IMO they look fine as they are. I'll get used to them just fine if they change though; it'll also definitely help in identifying what kind of weapons they /should/ be using without having to refer to the Show Info box every time. |
Mashie Saldana
BFG Tech
748
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Posted - 2013.10.03 15:06:00 -
[596] - Quote
The current sleipnir looks awesome and has been since I started playing 7+ years ago. The new Hurricane based hull makes it look like a mentally challenged door stop. Mashie Saldana Dominique Vasilkovsky
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Jaz Antollare
Deadly Loneliness
28
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Posted - 2013.10.03 15:31:00 -
[597] - Quote
With both hands for the change! |
Mihnea Tepes
Astral Silence Shinjiketo
11
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Posted - 2013.10.03 19:26:00 -
[598] - Quote
Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull
YES, YES, YES \o/ |
sarsa
No Laws Apply
1
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Posted - 2013.10.04 00:21:00 -
[599] - Quote
I do not understand one thing to be really honest, why change something that is fine ? Why change something that none is complaining about and not focus your time on more important things, there are still 100 bil ships that are not rebalanced and you want to change the sexy command ship that we know for years. I am sorry but unless you give me a good explanation why you are not focusing on things that needs fixing more. |
Kraschyn Thek'athor
Die..Brut
13
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Posted - 2013.10.04 01:14:00 -
[600] - Quote
Maybe a salomonic solution.
When creating an command ship, using an... Prophecy bpc for invention and choosing "Absolution" gives out the current model. Taking an Harbinger BPC for invention and choose absolution, gives the new model.
At the end, often in real world, some fighters do the same and look a bit different.
There are other ships that evolved in two very different variants. The combat cruiser split up into hac and hic.
Of could we get the old model just as an hic version. :D :D :D Ey, don't throw frozen corpses. ^^ |
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Punctator
Billionaires Club The Unthinkables
14
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Posted - 2013.10.04 16:17:00 -
[601] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:
So, hypothetically, what do you guys think?
i think this is worst idea of the year. If you need huls for t3 battlecruisers just design new one and not only change textures. Also name changes are just Terrifying
my comrade said - fozy ate some strange mashrooms, and i must said after reading this post, you should kill your cook, because my friend probably is right about this mashrooms, so please start eat kebab and be healthy.
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Persephone IX
Symbolic. Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2013.10.05 10:46:00 -
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better off leave abso sleip nh and starte the way they r and change to tier2 bc hull damnation vulture eos and clay. Not that it really matters anyway, unless u only after an aesthetic differentiation |
Ganthrithor
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.10.05 19:52:00 -
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I think this is pretty cool, although I'd almost be tempted to make the Sleipnir the Cyclone hull and the Claymore the Hurricane hull, just because I think a blacked-out Hurricane would look wicked cool. The Cyclone in Boundless camo always looked just fine to me, but I think the Cyclone in Core Complexion black looks flat and dated / boring for some reason. Just a personal thing. I guess a real solution would be to update the Cyclone model, which is really showing its age. That's a whole different story, though.
All in all, a cool and positive change IMHO. |
Isa Sparrow
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.10.05 21:59:00 -
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No, No and NO! New models or leave them as is |
cerbus
www.caldariprimeponyclub.com
178
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Posted - 2013.10.06 01:05:00 -
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Here are the models if you'd like to see what they'd look like and spin in 3d (You will need a WebGL compatible browser)
Absolution becomes a Carthum Harbinger Eos becomes a CreoDron Myrmidon Sleipnir becomes a Boundless Creations Hurricane
Nighthawk becomes a Kaalakiota Drake (Don't have the textures for this one sadly) Ship Customisation Survey - www.tinyurl.com/cppcsurvey Eve 3d Modelling Resources - https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=257193 500+ ships for you to spin in your browser at work - http://eohgames.com/labs |
Bruce Wolf
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
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Posted - 2013.10.07 03:23:00 -
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i love the idea :) i have always thought the cane hull should be used for something else and since the sliepnir is my fav ship and cane one of my fav hulls :) hell yes i say
WAAAAY better idea than the one to change all the hauler names >.< that one STILL pisses me off >.< |
Wearnezh
WhiteKnight's Corp EPIC Alliance
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Posted - 2013.11.15 23:51:00 -
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Ok so as I see it you are taking my Mighty Mouse (Absolution with Prophecy hull) and turn it in to the ugly duckling with D size rocket engines up it's tail because it doesn't have big enough wings. In short ......... not liking that at all. No matter how you paint the Harbinger hull it is still ugly in shape. And you want to take the swamp bug from the meerky marsh lands (Night Hawk Ferox hull) and change it to the sheet of metal with two bends (Drake). Ummm not liking that either. And then to top it off you want to take the Golem and remove most of the arrays and give it a Platypus looking bridge............... Really don't like that at all. Not really sure about the thinking on all that except with what has been said ......... Matching hulls to the weapons of the T-1 but you have already made them the way they are why totally change them now. It's like taking the 1968 Dodge Daytona with the 426 hemi with the six pack on it and doing what they did to it in the early 80's making it with a 2.2 4 banger engine front wheel drive and you might be lucky if it could get out of it's own way. Granted you aren't changing the specs in slots , bonuses , rigs and what not but I'm just trying to express my point. Some of the past **** changes I haven't been to pleased with as well but it's done. Don't get me wrong I love the game and enjoy it very much but But when improving something it should be improved and with these changes I just do see that at all. Other then that you guys are doing great and love all the work and upgrades you have done and far as I am concerned this is the best game on line. |
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