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Dorion Strag
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.06.17 19:11:00 -
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Gonna go with a yes. It's always bothered me a bit that the command ships for each race used the same model. |
Melek D'Ivri
Wheel Tappers And Shunters
20
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Posted - 2013.06.17 22:37:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:This is something I've been thinking about during my predesign for the command ships.
I'll start with this disclaimer, we will never feel that we need to make hull designs match the function of every ship. So there's no NEED to switch the hulls on any command ships. This is not something we've decided to do, but it is something we could do and would like your opinions on.
It might be interesting to convert half the command ships into the other BC hull, picking the one that matches their weapon type at the T1 level.
That would (potentially) mean:
Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull This is the kind of thing that we'd expect many people would have strong opinions about, and since it wouldn't have direct gameplay effects we wouldn't consider it worth doing unless there was some significant community support for the idea that overwhelms the opposition.
So, hypothetically, what do you guys think?
What I think is that I would MUCH prefer to see a 3rd battlecruiser hull introduced based on the alternate tech 1 hull, and that this new (3rd) Tech 2 Battlecruiser would do something new. |
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
114
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Posted - 2013.06.18 01:15:00 -
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Melek D'Ivri wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:This is something I've been thinking about during my predesign for the command ships.
I'll start with this disclaimer, we will never feel that we need to make hull designs match the function of every ship. So there's no NEED to switch the hulls on any command ships. This is not something we've decided to do, but it is something we could do and would like your opinions on.
It might be interesting to convert half the command ships into the other BC hull, picking the one that matches their weapon type at the T1 level.
That would (potentially) mean:
Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull This is the kind of thing that we'd expect many people would have strong opinions about, and since it wouldn't have direct gameplay effects we wouldn't consider it worth doing unless there was some significant community support for the idea that overwhelms the opposition.
So, hypothetically, what do you guys think? What I think is that I would MUCH prefer to see a 3rd battlecruiser hull introduced based on the alternate tech 1 hull, and that this new (3rd) Tech 2 Battlecruiser would do something new. The most "Logical" choice would be something built around the cloaking, scanning, pointing trio since these are the "missing" offering in Tech 2 BCs. Cloaking and scanning could be a role bonus to the hulls or integrated into each model, using something along the lines of what I've got below. Myrmidon by Roden Shipyards with bonus to cloaking, scan probing, and warp disruption range, HM/HAM weapon platform http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/LachesisHarbinger by Khanid with bonus to cloaking, scan probing, and heavy neuting bonus, HAM focused weapon platform http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/CurseHurricane by Core Complexion with bonus to scan probing, cloaking, webbing, and target painting, Projectile weapon platform http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/RapierDrake by Kaalakiota with bonus to scan probing, cloaking, and jamming, HM focused weapon platform http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/RookThe ships would still be tough, but they would drop tank and dps for speed and silence and revolve more around niche PVP usage like their Recon counterparts. Consider it? */edit**edit* Plus you could call them something cool like Trackers or Hunters, or even Stalkers! I like Trackers myself though!
They are called T3s, or strategic cruisers.
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CCP Fozzie
C C P C C P Alliance
6467
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Posted - 2013.06.18 01:27:00 -
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Melek D'Ivri wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:This is something I've been thinking about during my predesign for the command ships.
I'll start with this disclaimer, we will never feel that we need to make hull designs match the function of every ship. So there's no NEED to switch the hulls on any command ships. This is not something we've decided to do, but it is something we could do and would like your opinions on.
It might be interesting to convert half the command ships into the other BC hull, picking the one that matches their weapon type at the T1 level.
That would (potentially) mean:
Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull This is the kind of thing that we'd expect many people would have strong opinions about, and since it wouldn't have direct gameplay effects we wouldn't consider it worth doing unless there was some significant community support for the idea that overwhelms the opposition.
So, hypothetically, what do you guys think? What I think is that I would MUCH prefer to see a 3rd battlecruiser hull introduced based on the alternate tech 1 hull, and that this new (3rd) Tech 2 Battlecruiser would do something new. The most "Logical" choice would be something built around the cloaking, scanning, pointing trio since these are the "missing" offering in Tech 2 BCs. Cloaking and scanning could be a role bonus to the hulls or integrated into each model, using something along the lines of what I've got below. Myrmidon by Roden Shipyards with bonus to cloaking, scan probing, and warp disruption range, HM/HAM weapon platform http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/LachesisHarbinger by Khanid with bonus to cloaking, scan probing, and heavy neuting bonus, HAM focused weapon platform http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/CurseHurricane by Core Complexion with bonus to scan probing, cloaking, webbing, and target painting, Projectile weapon platform http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/RapierDrake by Kaalakiota with bonus to scan probing, cloaking, and jamming, HM focused weapon platform http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/RookThe ships would still be tough, but they would drop tank and dps for speed and silence and revolve more around niche PVP usage like their Recon counterparts. Consider it? */edit**edit* Plus you could call them something cool like Trackers or Hunters, or even Stalkers! I like Trackers myself though!
Maybe someday, but that has nothing to do with this thread since these ideas are nowhere near the same timescale. Game Designer | Team Five-0 https://twitter.com/CCP_Fozzie |
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Hosedna
FumbleFamily Corp
34
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Posted - 2013.06.18 07:13:00 -
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Would love having a tech 2 myrm ! This is my favorite ship design, and I would really love having more options to fly it :) For the rest of the racial hulls ... I don't really care :p |
Chi'Nane T'Kal
Interminatus Aeterna Anima
92
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Posted - 2013.06.18 07:57:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:
Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull
Any news on this awesome idea? |
0racle
Galactic Rangers R O G U E
28
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Posted - 2013.06.18 08:02:00 -
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Dorion Strag wrote:Gonna go with a yes. It's always bothered me a bit that the command ships for each race used the same model.
Assault ships. Interceptors. Recon ships. You're changing quite a few rules in the process in regards to consistency. Change one you have to change the lot, and the Sleipnir and Absolution in particular have always been iconic in their roles. No to the change, personally. Some ship classes can take doubling up. |
Warde Guildencrantz
TunDraGon Drunk 'n' Disorderly
713
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Posted - 2013.06.18 10:59:00 -
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Chi'Nane T'Kal wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:
Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull Any news on this awesome idea?
nighthawk having drake hull will make me sooooooooooo mad. black and red ferox hull is AMAZING. seriously. Every missile jockey agrees the ferox looks sexy, but it doesnt use missiles. Then they see the nighthawk and are like WANT IT NAO |
Shova'k
Attero Industries
1
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Posted - 2013.06.18 12:25:00 -
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as an avid and nearly maxed out command ship pilot for all of the command ships I like the hull swap idea.
(also make the nighthawk more usefull) am sorta used to the sleipnir as a cyclone but i love the cane model as well :P |
Marcel Devereux
Aideron Robotics
231
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Posted - 2013.06.18 14:17:00 -
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Field command ships should be changed to the Attack BC's. For the Fleet Command ships, flip a coin. |
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Krell Kroenen
Miners In Possession
173
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Posted - 2013.06.18 15:03:00 -
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Just thought I would throw in my support to changing the Command ship hulls around. A T2 Myrm would be nice to see. |
DeLindsay
Galaxies Fall
267
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Posted - 2013.06.18 23:01:00 -
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Marcel Devereux wrote:Field command ships should be changed to the Attack BC's. For the Fleet Command ships, flip a coin. There is no more Fleet/Field once Tiericide hits CS's.
The Operative:-á"There are a lot of innocent people being killed in the air right now".
Capt. Malcolm Reynolds:-á"You have no idea how true that is". |
Jerick Ludhowe
The Scope Gallente Federation
468
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Posted - 2013.06.18 23:35:00 -
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Marcel Devereux wrote:Field command ships should be changed to the Attack BC's. For the Fleet Command ships, flip a coin.
Just what we need, 8 large gun t2 bcs with t2 resistances and double damage bonuses.... If you put anything other than large guns on these hulls people are going to cry so yeah....
Seriously guys... Suggestions, think before you post them.
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Melek D'Ivri
Wheel Tappers And Shunters
20
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Posted - 2013.06.19 01:00:00 -
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Shova'k wrote:as an avid and nearly maxed out command ship pilot for all of the command ships I like the hull swap idea.
(also make the nighthawk more usefull) am sorta used to the sleipnir as a cyclone but i love the cane model as well :P You're killing me bro! Get behind my "new tech 2 bc" idear instead! haha |
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
411
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Posted - 2013.06.19 01:05:00 -
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Melek D'Ivri wrote:Shova'k wrote:as an avid and nearly maxed out command ship pilot for all of the command ships I like the hull swap idea.
(also make the nighthawk more usefull) am sorta used to the sleipnir as a cyclone but i love the cane model as well :P You're killing me bro! Get behind my "new tech 2 bc" idear instead! haha
Fozzie already put the knife in its heart, so nothing to get behind here. Besides, your idea is better served by having its own thread rather than derailing this one. |
Melek D'Ivri
United Eve Directorate Academy
20
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Posted - 2013.06.22 15:56:00 -
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Fozzie already put the knife in its heart, so nothing to get behind here. Besides, your idea is better served by having its own thread rather than derailing this one.[/quote]
I have but it's mixed with Battleship and Destroyer classes also. On top of it it's a large work in progress and very barebones at the moment.
I just really don't want to lose my sexy Damnation I'm currently sitting in and trade it in for a worthless piece of garbage that looks bad too. (at least for what I do in EVE, it's a good ship otherwise).
*Trollable moment* If I wanted to derail something I'd go find a Hybrid guns rebalancing thread |
DrysonBennington
Eagle's Talon's
33
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Posted - 2013.06.22 16:34:00 -
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I like what CCP did with the Nemesis. The redesign set it apart from the rest of the Tristan Class of Frigates.
I think that all T2 variants should be redesigned in the same manner as the Nemesis.
After all T2's are better variants than their T1 counter-parts so why should such a distinction merely be seen as the same hull with a different painting scheme applied? |
Roseline Penshar
Illusory Superiority R O G U E
10
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Posted - 2013.06.22 16:44:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:This is something I've been thinking about during my predesign for the command ships.
I'll start with this disclaimer, we will never feel that we need to make hull designs match the function of every ship. So there's no NEED to switch the hulls on any command ships. This is not something we've decided to do, but it is something we could do and would like your opinions on.
It might be interesting to convert half the command ships into the other BC hull, picking the one that matches their weapon type at the T1 level.
That would (potentially) mean:
Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull This is the kind of thing that we'd expect many people would have strong opinions about, and since it wouldn't have direct gameplay effects we wouldn't consider it worth doing unless there was some significant community support for the idea that overwhelms the opposition.
So, hypothetically, what do you guys think?
it would be wonderful, they have different bonus and role that makes a sense they have different hull too |
Tiber Ibis
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
48
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Posted - 2013.06.22 18:21:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:This is something I've been thinking about during my predesign for the command ships.
I'll start with this disclaimer, we will never feel that we need to make hull designs match the function of every ship. So there's no NEED to switch the hulls on any command ships. This is not something we've decided to do, but it is something we could do and would like your opinions on.
It might be interesting to convert half the command ships into the other BC hull, picking the one that matches their weapon type at the T1 level.
That would (potentially) mean:
Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull This is the kind of thing that we'd expect many people would have strong opinions about, and since it wouldn't have direct gameplay effects we wouldn't consider it worth doing unless there was some significant community support for the idea that overwhelms the opposition.
So, hypothetically, what do you guys think? A T2 Hurricane. ...One word I have for you Fozzie, "Awesome". :) |
Tiber Ibis
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
48
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Posted - 2013.06.22 18:26:00 -
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IamBeastx wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:
Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull Yes to EOS hull change. Yes to Abso hull change. Yes to Nighthawk hull change. No to sleipnir hull change, this ship is far too widely known and remembered with its current hull, almost EVERY tournament and day to day fighting it gets seen. Change the claymore hull maybe, but deffo no to sleipnir hull change imo. I wouldn't really care which is which to be honest. But in general terms, having a T2 of each BC hull would be a great move. |
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Draunin
Easy Co. Fatal Ascension
3
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Posted - 2013.06.22 18:42:00 -
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I think this is a fantastic idea I even like the Sleipnir change even though it is iconic the landscape of eve is always changing there is no need to be stagnant. I think it honestly fits much better with the rest of the ships in the game to have 2 different ones based on two different T1 hulls as there is no other ship in the game that does this. This is even more notable with the changes coming to CS as they will be performing the same roles with different weapons there needs to be some differentiation to the ships to better place them in these categories. |
Draunin
Easy Co. Fatal Ascension
3
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Posted - 2013.06.22 18:59:00 -
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Draunin wrote:I think this is a fantastic idea I even like the Sleipnir change even though it is iconic the landscape of eve is always changing there is no need to be stagnant. I think it honestly fits much better with the rest of the ships in the game to have 2 different ones based on two different T1 hulls as there is no other ship in the game that does this. This is even more notable with the changes coming to CS as they will be performing the same roles with different weapons there needs to be some differentiation to the ships to better place them in these categories.
Well there are a couple other T2 hulls that are duplicates but I don't like it on any of them (some have no reasonable alternative though). Now however with the tiericide hitting the CS the different hulls (and bonuses) make more sense than ever. |
Jerick Ludhowe
trolllolcorp
472
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Posted - 2013.06.22 19:08:00 -
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Draunin wrote:I think this is a fantastic idea I even like the Sleipnir change even though it is iconic the landscape of eve is always changing there is no need to be stagnant.
Agreed on the Sleipnir change... The only reason it's Iconic anyway is because it's been so horrendously overpowered compared to the other field commands over the last 7 years that it's seen a ton of usage. If the other field commands had the same number of slots as the Sleipnir (ccp is bad) I highly doubt it would nearly as Iconic as it is today.
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Battlingbean
Perkone Caldari State
13
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Posted - 2013.06.28 09:30:00 -
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So is this happening? |
Jill Antaris
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
54
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Posted - 2013.06.28 10:14:00 -
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Jerick Ludhowe wrote:Draunin wrote:I think this is a fantastic idea I even like the Sleipnir change even though it is iconic the landscape of eve is always changing there is no need to be stagnant. Agreed on the Sleipnir change... The only reason it's Iconic anyway is because it's been so horrendously overpowered compared to the other field commands over the last 7 years that it's seen a ton of usage. If the other field commands had the same number of slots as the Sleipnir (ccp is bad) I highly doubt it would nearly as Iconic as it is today.
They are not, but minmatar hulls where actually designed around a worse weapon system(projectiles before the projectile buff) and split weapon design and got extra slots, fitting and generous sig/speed to compensate.
So, the cyclone was a split weapon platform and the sleipnir was not, ccp still did keep carry over most of the design baselines. |
Tetsedah Izuto
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
38
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Posted - 2013.06.28 15:11:00 -
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You have my support to change the hulls. Great idea. +1 |
Nagarythe Tinurandir
Tormented of Destiny The Kadeshi
136
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Posted - 2013.06.28 15:29:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:
That would (potentially) mean:
Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull This is the kind of thing that we'd expect many people would have strong opinions about, and since it wouldn't have direct gameplay effects we wouldn't consider it worth doing unless there was some significant community support for the idea that overwhelms the opposition.
So, hypothetically, what do you guys think?
awesome idea!
would the newSleip&friends get a slightly changed model, like the vargur for example? a 'vargurified' cane model for a sleipnir would be badass to the power of infinity ... do it. like nao!
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Markku Laaksonen
EVE University Ivy League
148
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Posted - 2013.06.28 15:59:00 -
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It makes sense to have the command ships weapons follow the weapons of the T1 BC hulls. (Did I say that right?) I'd be for this. It's just a graphical change, and makes sense. It is an all or nothing, like Fozzie recognizes, and I'm all in.
Edit: Would it be an easy thing for the art team or would it be better to wait until they got around to T2-ifying the command ship hulls and changing the hulls at that point? |
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
562
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Posted - 2013.06.28 16:14:00 -
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Nagarythe Tinurandir wrote:awesome idea!
would the newSleip&friends get a slightly changed model, like the vargur for example? a 'vargurified' cane model for a sleipnir would be badass to the power of infinity ... do it. like nao! It's been stated that all T2 hulls are eventually going to be "Vargurified", so yes it would be a modified Hurricane rather than just a normal one with Boundless Creation colors.
Fun Trivia: The currently-underway remodel of the Paladin into its own unique hull required that 60% of the ship be redesigned. (Source: CCP BunnyVirus)
Markku Laaksonen wrote:It makes sense to have the command ships weapons follow the weapons of the T1 BC hulls. (Did I say that right?) I'd be for this. It's just a graphical change, and makes sense. It is an all or nothing, like Fozzie recognizes, and I'm all in.
Edit: Would it be an easy thing for the art team or would it be better to wait until they got around to T2-ifying the command ship hulls and changing the hulls at that point?
If I were to guess, I'd say that the hull changes would wait until such time as Command Ships came up in the Art Dept's schedule of T2 ships to modify. Then they'd hold back the visual changes until all four were ready, put out a devblog when they were nearing release explaining what's going on, and then put out all eight (completely swapped + simply modified) new hulls at once. |
Nagarythe Tinurandir
Tormented of Destiny The Kadeshi
136
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Posted - 2013.06.28 16:30:00 -
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Alvatore DiMarco wrote:Nagarythe Tinurandir wrote:awesome idea!
would the newSleip&friends get a slightly changed model, like the vargur for example? a 'vargurified' cane model for a sleipnir would be badass to the power of infinity ... do it. like nao! It's been stated that all T2 hulls are eventually going to be "Vargurified", so yes it would be a modified Hurricane rather than just a normal one with Boundless Creation colors. Fun Trivia: The currently-underway remodel of the Paladin into its own unique hull required that 60% of the ship be redesigned. (Source: CCP BunnyVirus)
sweet :) |
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