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Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
210
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Posted - 2013.06.02 11:19:00 -
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TrouserDeagle wrote:Alvatore DiMarco wrote:TrouserDeagle wrote:Yeah they're both guns, but sleipnir is about active shield tanking, like the cyclone. Hurricane is about buffer armour. To reply to your concern, the qualifying criteria here is the weapon system used on the T1 version, not about how they "should" be tanked, which is entirely too subjective and variable to be a determining factor. That's just, like, your opinion, man.
Proving my point.
However, Fozzie's first post in this thread does specifically mention that the weapon systems on the T1 version of each hull would determine which Command Ship gets which Battlecruiser hull.
Kallie Rae wrote: Edit: Though don't even think about making the Sleipnir a missile ship.
The Claymore is becoming the missile ship. The Sleipnir remains projectile no matter what happens. |
Theodore Giumbix
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2013.06.02 11:24:00 -
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Awesome work. This must be done. The Tek - a show that covers hardware, pc games, indie games, legal policies that pertain to technology, the internet, and nerd culture. Please sign: Disabling the clouds in anomalies/signatures/missions |
David Kir
Tailender
31
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Posted - 2013.06.02 11:26:00 -
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I'm all in favor of adding some graphic variety to the Command Ship class, yet I wouldn't mind the Sleipnir hull staying as it is.
This is a merely personal association, but to me, the Sleipnir "looks like serious business".
Its awkward looks have the sheer practicality one would expect from a military spacecraft.
It's much more of a Minmatar ship than the Hurricane is, in the same way that makes the Typhoon much more Minmatar than the Maelstrom.
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TrouserDeagle
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
264
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Posted - 2013.06.02 11:28:00 -
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Alvatore DiMarco wrote:TrouserDeagle wrote:Alvatore DiMarco wrote:TrouserDeagle wrote:Yeah they're both guns, but sleipnir is about active shield tanking, like the cyclone. Hurricane is about buffer armour. To reply to your concern, the qualifying criteria here is the weapon system used on the T1 version, not about how they "should" be tanked, which is entirely too subjective and variable to be a determining factor. That's just, like, your opinion, man. Proving my point. However, Fozzie's first post in this thread does specifically mention that the weapon systems on the T1 version of each hull would determine which Command Ship gets which Battlecruiser hull.
He said it might be interesting. And I was saying I don't think it would make sense for the sleipnir, unless, lol, the active tanking command ships all suddenly get resist bonuses or HP or something to make them usable as command ships, rather than heavy assault BCs. |
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
99
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Posted - 2013.06.02 11:29:00 -
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Theodore Giumbix wrote:Awesome work. This must be done.
Yes to that video. Especially to all but the sleipnir. Sleipnir is fine though, needs wings. |
Alyssia Benar
Tribe of the Fluffy Bunny Cave of Caerbannog
19
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Posted - 2013.06.02 11:30:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:That would (potentially) mean:
Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull I dislike this. :( I really like the current models from all the command ships. |
DeLindsay
Galaxies Fall
194
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Posted - 2013.06.02 11:31:00 -
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OMFG!!! The Eos as a sexier Myrmidon makes me wet myself! And honestly the Abso looked damn nice and I was surprised how good the Nighthawk looked as a Drake skin. The Cane look I expected to look good and it does. The Eos is the clear winner of the pack though if it gets the reskin.
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Draknishar
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2013.06.02 11:32:00 -
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Dear god, destroying the nighthawk? Why would you ever do something like that? :( |
Theodore Giumbix
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
9
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Posted - 2013.06.02 11:39:00 -
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Draknishar wrote:Dear god, destroying the nighthawk? Why would you ever do something like that? :( Because having in Retribution 3 Ferox hulls and only 1 Drake hull or 3 Scorpion hulls and only 1 Rokh hull for Caldari sucks that's why. And because it makes more sens if the T1 hull is a missile boat, the Faction/T2 version to be a missile boat too. The Tek - a show that covers hardware, pc games, indie games, legal policies that pertain to technology, the internet, and nerd culture. Please sign: Disabling the clouds in anomalies/signatures/missions |
ExAstra
Echoes of Silence
141
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Posted - 2013.06.02 11:56:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:This is something I've been thinking about during my predesign for the command ships.
I'll start with this disclaimer, we will never feel that we need to make hull designs match the function of every ship. So there's no NEED to switch the hulls on any command ships. This is not something we've decided to do, but it is something we could do and would like your opinions on.
It might be interesting to convert half the command ships into the other BC hull, picking the one that matches their weapon type at the T1 level.
That would (potentially) mean:
Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull This is the kind of thing that we'd expect many people would have strong opinions about, and since it wouldn't have direct gameplay effects we wouldn't consider it worth doing unless there was some significant community support for the idea that overwhelms the opposition.
So, hypothetically, what do you guys think? If the Eos goes to the Myrmidon hull, I will buy both the Eos and the Astarte and use them in glorious combat after tiercide. If the Sleipnir went to the Hurricane hull I probably wouldn't buy it, because I don't like the Hurricane. But I like the Claymore way better than the Sleipnir anyway. If the Nighthawk goes to the Drake hull it'd be the only time I ever used a Drake hull. That paint scheme would look good on it. If the Absolution went to the Harbinger hull, there's a 50% chance I'd sell mine to buy another Eos, haha.
Personally I think the hull changes would make sense. The Sleipnir is basically a Hurricane with a falloff bonus and active shield tank bonus (2/4 Hurricane, 1/4 Cyclone, 1/4 Random T2 bonus, while trading a low slot for a turret), so making it a Hurricane makes sense. The Absolution now gets Harbinger bonuses after tiercide (3/4 bonuses Harbinger, 1 bonus Prophecy) and honestly the Harbinger might look REALLY good as a Carthum ship. The Eos being Myrmidon makes 150% sense and I would adore that (please!). The Nighthawk going to Drake makes just as much sense with the missile bonuses, and the Drake Navy Issue is so hard to look at because of that camo I'd much rather get a Nighthawk.
But seriously CCP, do it.
Edit:
I retract my previous statement. I would not sell my Absolution. And I would totally buy that Eos. Save the drones! |
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Mangala Solaris
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
551
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Posted - 2013.06.02 11:57:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:
Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull
You sold me on it.
Seriously, this would be pretty cool. Mangala Undocked |
Kueyen
Ananke Astrodynamics Terran Commonwealth
14
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Posted - 2013.06.02 11:59:00 -
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Gallente: 200% approval for using the Myrmidon hull for the Eos. You will find few that oppose this (and they already got a Federation Navy Brutix, so deal with it!)
Caldari: 200% approval for using the Drake hull for the Nighthawk. I honestly do not understand people that think the Drake is ugly. A Moa is ugly. An Imicus is ugly. A Drake is a bloody work of art! Are you perhaps letting your aesthetic senses be influenced by possible (somewhat obsolete) resentment for the overpowered, n00b-friendly blob-Drake of old?
Minmatar: 200% approval for using the Hurricane hull for either the Sleipnir or the Claymore. I'm not married to either, but whichever is getting the Hurricane hull, will see me buying and flying it.
Amarr: Neutrality and indifference towards using that other Amarr BC hull for one of those Amarr command ships. I don't fly Amarr, I can barely remember their names to begin with. But consistency demands that one of them changes.
Also, remember that the plan is to make all Command Ships combat-worthy (and all of them link-worthy too), so that the former fleet CSs popularity will likely rise closer to the former field CS popularity.
In preparation to these changes, I'm bumping Command Ships up in my training plan. So say we all! (well, most of us, anyway) |
Antaeus Fantasy
Grumpy Bastards Mass Overload
3
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Posted - 2013.06.02 12:01:00 -
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Fully support this idea. |
Sofia Wolf
Ubuntu Inc. The Fourth District
217
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Posted - 2013.06.02 12:02:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:This is something I've been thinking about during my predesign for the command ships.
I'll start with this disclaimer, we will never feel that we need to make hull designs match the function of every ship. So there's no NEED to switch the hulls on any command ships. This is not something we've decided to do, but it is something we could do and would like your opinions on.
It might be interesting to convert half the command ships into the other BC hull, picking the one that matches their weapon type at the T1 level.
That would (potentially) mean:
Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull This is the kind of thing that we'd expect many people would have strong opinions about, and since it wouldn't have direct gameplay effects we wouldn't consider it worth doing unless there was some significant community support for the idea that overwhelms the opposition.
So, hypothetically, what do you guys think?
I presume this would also mean change in T2 research and manufacturing process/blueprints for those ships? Jessica Danikov > EVE is your real life. the rest is fantasy. caught in a corporation. no escape from banality. open up yours eyes, peer through pod good and seeeeeee. I'm just a poor pilot, I need no sympathy. because I'm easy scam, easy go, little isk, little know. anyway the solar wind blows... |
Sarmatiko
1175
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Posted - 2013.06.02 12:02:00 -
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Theodore Giumbix wrote:Draknishar wrote:Dear god, destroying the nighthawk? Why would you ever do something like that? :( Because having in Retribution 3 Ferox hulls and only 1 Drake hull or 3 Scorpion hulls and only 1 Rokh hull for Caldari sucks that's why. And because it makes more sens if the T1 hull is a missile boat, the Faction/T2 version to be a missile boat too.
Now please tell to all inventors and manufacturers that they need to invest 2 billions into the new blueprint originals, just because some part of the community (not necessarily major part, we cant take forum posts/likes as precise statistics) wants totally unnecessary cosmetically changes.
"Let's change only skins, leave blueprints alone" - oh no, folks. We are talking about "proper ship changes" here, am I right?
If this change goes further then this will alienate most of current Sleipnir / Nighthawk pilots/fans. If someone already prefers current NH over Tengu then I don't think this person will take lightly change into ugly Drake. -¥ |
Mirrodin
eXceed Inc. No Holes Barred
64
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Posted - 2013.06.02 12:10:00 -
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As a command ship pilot, and a lover of the Myrm hull, I absolutely support this change. Do it! |
Iris Bravemount
Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
244
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Posted - 2013.06.02 12:24:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:This is something I've been thinking about during my predesign for the command ships.
I'll start with this disclaimer, we will never feel that we need to make hull designs match the function of every ship. So there's no NEED to switch the hulls on any command ships. This is not something we've decided to do, but it is something we could do and would like your opinions on.
It might be interesting to convert half the command ships into the other BC hull, picking the one that matches their weapon type at the T1 level.
That would (potentially) mean:
Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull This is the kind of thing that we'd expect many people would have strong opinions about, and since it wouldn't have direct gameplay effects we wouldn't consider it worth doing unless there was some significant community support for the idea that overwhelms the opposition.
So, hypothetically, what do you guys think?
DO IT! Why active tank bonuses are bad for you |
Verlaine Glariant
Amphysvena
39
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Posted - 2013.06.02 12:25:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:This is something I've been thinking about during my predesign for the command ships.
I'll start with this disclaimer, we will never feel that we need to make hull designs match the function of every ship. So there's no NEED to switch the hulls on any command ships. This is not something we've decided to do, but it is something we could do and would like your opinions on.
It might be interesting to convert half the command ships into the other BC hull, picking the one that matches their weapon type at the T1 level.
That would (potentially) mean:
Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull This is the kind of thing that we'd expect many people would have strong opinions about, and since it wouldn't have direct gameplay effects we wouldn't consider it worth doing unless there was some significant community support for the idea that overwhelms the opposition.
So, hypothetically, what do you guys think? I think you should follow the Stealth Bombers example and create unique designs for T2 ships. Reusing hulls is pretty poor imho.
www.amphysvena.org |
Jacob Holland
Weyland-Vulcan Industries
163
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Posted - 2013.06.02 12:30:00 -
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SanshaGrey wrote:Jonas Sukarala wrote:all T2 hulls would be awesome with unique models based on the appropriate hull. +1. Sound cool for me. HACs do have different hulls, why shouldn't CS and AS have them? Just imagine Kestrel-based Hawk, Tristran-based Ishkur, not to mention Hurri-Sleip. Wouldn't that be AWESOME? Hurricane Sleipnir, I think I could support; Harbi Abso, Drake Nighthawk... Not so keen on those. The Abso is why the Prophecy hull exists and the Drake hull is just so bland. Myrm Eos I'm ambivilent about...
But Tristan Ishkur? Kessie Hawk? No, never, the Merlin and Incursus are two of the coolest small hulls out there and they assault frigs should stay with them. |
Iris Bravemount
Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
244
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Posted - 2013.06.02 12:30:00 -
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Destoya wrote:Alvatore DiMarco wrote: I'm fairly sure the Hurricane is more iconic.
The alliance tournament community would like to respectfully disagree
I don't want to offend anyone here, but that is a tiny part of the community as a whole. Why active tank bonuses are bad for you |
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Jonas Sukarala
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
220
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Posted - 2013.06.02 12:31:00 -
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DeLindsay wrote:OMFG!!! The Eos as a sexier Myrmidon makes me wet myself! And honestly the Abso looked damn nice and I was surprised how good the Nighthawk looked as a Drake skin. The Cane model I expected to look good and it does. The Eos is the clear winner of the pack though if it gets the reskin.
I am surprised how good that myrm reskin looks .. the cane is a bit samey as the T1 version though or more like the fleet issue . It would be a good base to start from then they need to mod them to look unique and more distinguished maybe the colour scheme on the cane needs more colour and flamboyance to it. 'Tech3 ships need to be put down, like a rabid dog drooling everywhere in the house, they are out of line' CCP Ytterbium Nerf missile range into place where is the TD missile change?-á ..projectiles should use capacitor. ABC's should be T2 HABC and nerf web strength its still too high |
Amakish
EVE University Ivy League
2
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Posted - 2013.06.02 12:31:00 -
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DONT MESS WITH MY SPACE CHICKEN!!!!!
no seriusly dont f*cking touch my absolution and damnation! thx bye...
if you want to give work to the art department here is a list:
redo MOA hull redo OSPREY hull redo RAVEN hull redo HOUND hull - this? http://tigaer.deviantart.com/art/EVE-Online-Blade-182413980
redo TALWAR hull - space contrainer with solar panels!!!! come on!!! change to this? http://tigaer.deviantart.com/art/EVE-Online-Blade-182413980 or http://tigaer.deviantart.com/art/Tsunami-Primary-Arrangement-181731541
redo DRAGOON - looks too much like the coercer!!! change to this? http://www.deviantart.com/art/AMARR-Shamshir-181909868
looking through the internet for inspiration is hard.... looking through contest submissions even harder!!
redo space potato hull ehh i mean DOMINIX make unique model for BHAALGORN - keep color scheme http://i39.tinypic.com/2lm46et.jpg
make unique model for VINDICATOR - keep color scheme make unique model for GILA - keep color scheme make unique model for VIGILANT - keep color cheme
redo several t3 subsystems, some of them just looks silly |
Solhild
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1043
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Posted - 2013.06.02 12:39:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:This is something I've been thinking about during my predesign for the command ships.
I'll start with this disclaimer, we will never feel that we need to make hull designs match the function of every ship. So there's no NEED to switch the hulls on any command ships. This is not something we've decided to do, but it is something we could do and would like your opinions on.
It might be interesting to convert half the command ships into the other BC hull, picking the one that matches their weapon type at the T1 level.
That would (potentially) mean:
Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull This is the kind of thing that we'd expect many people would have strong opinions about, and since it wouldn't have direct gameplay effects we wouldn't consider it worth doing unless there was some significant community support for the idea that overwhelms the opposition.
So, hypothetically, what do you guys think?
I love the idea of this. Please do it. I have no problem with the invention implications of this either.
Perhaps you should be open to the option of switching T2 manufacturers to preserve the skin that best suits the ship? i.e. make Boundless Creation the manufacturer of the Claymore so it keeps the desert camo skin on the cyclone. Doing this means that Core Complexion is the manufacturer of the Sleipnir and we have a black cane
Really looking forward to the art folks making independent model derivatives for Command ships from their T1 base. |
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
216
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Posted - 2013.06.02 12:41:00 -
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Solhild wrote:I love the idea of this. Please do it. I have no problem with the invention implications of this either. Perhaps you should be open to the option of switching T2 manufacturers to preserve the skin that best suits the ship? i.e. make Boundless Creation the manufacturer of the Claymore so it keeps the desert camo skin on the cyclone. Doing this means that Core Complexion is the manufacturer of the Sleipnir and we have a black cane Really looking forward to the art folks making independent model derivatives for Command ships from their T1 base.
The problem with a manufacturer change is that Boundless Creation is all about turrets, not missiles. The manufacturer of a T2 ship reflects the weapon platform and ship stats, not just the skin. |
Solhild
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1043
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Posted - 2013.06.02 12:44:00 -
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Now I'd love to see what the 'tier2' hulls look like with the other manufacturer - is this possible?
I'll give you lots of internet likes if you can do this |
Beaver Retriever
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
105
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Posted - 2013.06.02 12:44:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote: The art guys have also been slowly updating many T2 ships to have modified geometry compared to the T2 hulls, so either way someday the command ships will likely end up being a bit different, but that would likely come later.
While we're on the subject..
If this is going to be done, the solar panels/wingy bits on the cane hull for the Sleipnir should be removed and then placed along the top/spine of the hull, like space dinosaur fins. Or a space mohawk.
That would be cool. |
Stridsflygplan
Wolfram Corp
23
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Posted - 2013.06.02 12:46:00 -
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The Sleipnir and its look is so iconic. it feels just wrong when it looks like a hurricane. Maybe would be better to make the Claymore look like an++ cane.
The Harb(Abso) feels strange now but will definitely be better with its focus on lasers.
T2 Drake looks badass love the painjob and feels much better then the current look.
The EOS is a brilliant change. This game needs more vertical ships and the drone boat theme is a perfect fit :)
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Mattie Silks
House of Mirrors
1
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Posted - 2013.06.02 12:51:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote: That would (potentially) mean:
Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull
Absolutely support this. |
Solhild
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1043
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Posted - 2013.06.02 13:01:00 -
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Alvatore DiMarco wrote:Solhild wrote:I love the idea of this. Please do it. I have no problem with the invention implications of this either. Perhaps you should be open to the option of switching T2 manufacturers to preserve the skin that best suits the ship? i.e. make Boundless Creation the manufacturer of the Claymore so it keeps the desert camo skin on the cyclone. Doing this means that Core Complexion is the manufacturer of the Sleipnir and we have a black cane Really looking forward to the art folks making independent model derivatives for Command ships from their T1 base. The problem with a manufacturer change is that Boundless Creation is all about turrets, not missiles. The manufacturer of a T2 ship reflects the weapon platform and ship stats, not just the skin.
A good point. Perhaps there is scope for reviewing the text that describes the 'lots of guns'/(missiles) philosophy vs. favouring electronics and defence? If the claymore/sleipnir rebalance will move them to badass missile ship / badass gun ship then the current manufacturer description doesn't work. |
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
218
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Posted - 2013.06.02 13:15:00 -
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You raise a very good point. Have a Core Complexion Hurricane. http://i.imgur.com/gVfxxNZ.jpg |
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