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Harrison Tato
Yamato Holdings
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Posted - 2015.05.10 11:17:14 -
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I see so many jump frieghters in low-sec that jump in right at the undock of a station (and under its guns.) I think for content and station safety reasons all stations should prevents jumps within 10k. |
Xequecal
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
286
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Posted - 2015.05.10 11:21:00 -
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The Eve economy pretty much depends on Freighters and Jump Freighters being 99.9% safe. Do you want everything in the game to cost 10x as much? If you make these ships killable, that's exactly what will happen. |
Harrison Tato
Yamato Holdings
345
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Posted - 2015.05.10 11:26:01 -
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Xequecal wrote:The Eve economy pretty much depends on Freighters and Jump Freighters being 99.9% safe. Do you want everything in the game to cost 10x as much? If you make these ships killable, that's exactly what will happen.
I would send in a scout before I jumped a freighter in or an escort to meet it. With pings for jump in I think they would still be very safe just not totally safe.
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FireFrenzy
Satan's Unicorns
362
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Posted - 2015.05.10 12:19:45 -
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You would instead cyno your Jumpfreighters into the deepest safespot you can find and web them into warp straight away then self destruct the cynoship or (not sure if you can) cloak up the recon you're using.
Would make it alot more hassle for not much more "killability" also if you're moving ALOT of money in a jumping ship i have pinged my corporation before and just straight up conquered a lowsec system before for the 10 minutes we needed it as a midpoint cyno... |
Lakotnik
TSOE Po1ice TSOE Consortium
8
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Posted - 2015.05.10 12:59:59 -
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Harrison Tato wrote:Xequecal wrote:The Eve economy pretty much depends on Freighters and Jump Freighters being 99.9% safe. Do you want everything in the game to cost 10x as much? If you make these ships killable, that's exactly what will happen. I would send in a scout before I jumped a freighter in or an escort to meet it. With pings for jump in I think they would still be very safe just not totally safe.
You do realize most Low-sec systems are camped by BLOPS/Cap teams already right? If timed right, they can even bump you off of station in those 5 seconds you can't dock after a jump.
So I'd say it's another bad idea from people who can't find content. So they want the game nerfed so they can get more juicy kills. The nerve.. |
Poxs62
StarTrucks Prometheus Allegiance
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Posted - 2015.05.10 13:37:46 -
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silly idea for the reasons below
the only time i would consider somthing like this was if we went back to the days of not being able to warp to 0
So you fancy that then, no more warp to 0 jump, no more warp to 0 in any system, not allowing bookmarks on the gates...
Because basically your saying that JFs (and other capitals) cannot jump (which is their safer version of warp) to 0, then nor should any ship be allowed to enjoy losing all your ships that will cost FAR FAR more because they cannot be safely carried around the universe...
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Xequecal
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
287
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Posted - 2015.05.10 14:36:13 -
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Harrison Tato wrote:Xequecal wrote:The Eve economy pretty much depends on Freighters and Jump Freighters being 99.9% safe. Do you want everything in the game to cost 10x as much? If you make these ships killable, that's exactly what will happen. I would send in a scout before I jumped a freighter in or an escort to meet it. With pings for jump in I think they would still be very safe just not totally safe.
Freighter escort ops in the days before JFs were literally the worst form of "content" this game has ever seen, let's not bring that **** back, please. |
Harrison Tato
Yamato Holdings
345
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Posted - 2015.05.10 14:40:39 -
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Lakotnik wrote:Harrison Tato wrote:Xequecal wrote:The Eve economy pretty much depends on Freighters and Jump Freighters being 99.9% safe. Do you want everything in the game to cost 10x as much? If you make these ships killable, that's exactly what will happen. I would send in a scout before I jumped a freighter in or an escort to meet it. With pings for jump in I think they would still be very safe just not totally safe. You do realize most Low-sec systems are camped by BLOPS/Cap teams already right? If timed right, they can even bump you off of station in those 5 seconds you can't dock after a jump. So I'd say it's another bad idea from people who can't find content. So they want the game nerfed so they can get more juicy kills. The nerve..
No idea. I fly though dozens of empty low-sec systems every day. I know that people jump freighters into Beke and Leran all day long with almost nobody in system. |
Reppyk
The Black Shell
739
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Posted - 2015.05.10 14:47:11 -
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Harrison Tato wrote:I see so many jump frieghters in low-sec that jump in right at the undock of a station (and under its guns.) I think for content and station safety reasons all stations should prevents jumps within 10k. I support this product.
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CCP Fozzie
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2015.05.10 15:54:09 -
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Cristl
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Posted - 2015.05.10 16:28:34 -
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You broke the forums Fozzie |
Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc Brave Collective
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Posted - 2015.05.10 17:11:34 -
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Cristl wrote:You broke the forums Fozzie
As with every time a dev answers with a smiley only :p
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Lugh Crow-Slave
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Posted - 2015.05.10 17:18:32 -
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Don't do it Fozzie
I know it sounds fun but restrain yourself for the good of us all
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Nasar Vyron
S0utherN Comfort DARKNESS.
49
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Posted - 2015.05.10 17:45:43 -
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The idea of escorting a freighter through HS is in itself a joke.
The attacker must make the first move before you can defend yourself or concord will simply target you as the aggressor, you cannot take preventative actions by wiping out the obvious camp or bumping mach before they create the problem. Bring a webbing ship? Pray they don't realize this and blap it before you can get your webs off. Bring logi? They'll kill your logi then turn their attention to you. Bring more logi? They have a bowhead/orca/corp hanger full of ships to kill off anything you brought and all the time in the world.
Your only hope of survival is a vigilant scout with a full watchlist and a LS cyno. Nerf cynoing on stations and watch HS industry burn. |
Harrison Tato
Yamato Holdings
346
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Posted - 2015.05.10 18:05:18 -
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Nasar Vyron wrote:The idea of escorting a freighter through HS is in itself a joke.
The attacker must make the first move before you can defend yourself or concord will simply target you as the aggressor, you cannot take preventative actions by wiping out the obvious camp or bumping mach before they create the problem. Bring a webbing ship? Pray they don't realize this and blap it before you can get your webs off. Bring logi? They'll kill your logi then turn their attention to you. Bring more logi? They have a bowhead/orca/corp hanger full of ships to kill off anything you brought and all the time in the world.
Your only hope of survival is a vigilant scout with a full watchlist and a LS cyno. Nerf cynoing on stations and watch HS industry burn.
What does that have to do with travelling 10K from a cyno to a LS station? You have some webbers in a safe. Jump your freighter in. Web to warp. No escorting required. |
Rivr Luzade
Exclusion Cartel The Kadeshi
1409
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Posted - 2015.05.10 18:31:26 -
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So, now I need 3 accounts to earn some money? Guess, I need to buy some PC upgrades after all.
Besides of that: 10 km from a Minmatar Tradepost puts the cyno a lot closer to the station (15 km more or less) than 10 km from an Amarr Military Station or Caldari Administrative station (between 30-40 km from the station). What kind of random safety is that?
Also, do you intend to push independent haulers out of business? I know for a matter of fact that I will not allow anyone except for my alts to touch my JF just because either some people simply feel the need for easy content to make their members happy or because some people know how to play the game properly.
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FT Diomedes
The Graduates Get Off My Lawn
951
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Posted - 2015.05.10 18:37:10 -
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Harrison Tato wrote:Nasar Vyron wrote:The idea of escorting a freighter through HS is in itself a joke.
The attacker must make the first move before you can defend yourself or concord will simply target you as the aggressor, you cannot take preventative actions by wiping out the obvious camp or bumping mach before they create the problem. Bring a webbing ship? Pray they don't realize this and blap it before you can get your webs off. Bring logi? They'll kill your logi then turn their attention to you. Bring more logi? They have a bowhead/orca/corp hanger full of ships to kill off anything you brought and all the time in the world.
Your only hope of survival is a vigilant scout with a full watchlist and a LS cyno. Nerf cynoing on stations and watch HS industry burn. What does that have to do with travelling 10K from a cyno to a LS station? You have some webbers in a safe. Jump your freighter in. Web to warp. No escorting required.
If you take a jump freighter through HS, you always have an exit cyno in low sec, within range of your JF. This is relatively easy to manage on an alt. Your proposal means that each jump freighter pilot needs at least two alts to do stuff. Or friends to escort him. Escort missions suck donkey balls. Ask anyone who has actually done a real freighter escort operation. It's the opposite of fun gameplay.
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d0cTeR9
Astro Technologies SpaceMonkey's Alliance
160
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Posted - 2015.05.10 19:10:17 -
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Harrison Tato wrote:I see so many jump frieghters in low-sec that jump in right at the undock of a station (and under its guns.) I think for content and station safety reasons all stations should prevent jumps within 10k.
#1 We used to run freighter escorts, it was slow and boring as hell. No, no one ever came to attack... they would die so quickly it wasn't fun for anyone. That's why we have Jump Freighters now. #2 Ships/Items would cost a lot more, do you want to pay 500 mil for a basic battleship? What about 3x more for t2 modules? #3 Bigger alliances would shrug it off, they have POS's setup and alts/scouts everywhere. |
Onslaughtor
Occult National Security Phoenix Naval Systems
125
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Posted - 2015.05.10 20:57:43 -
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Or we could just remove the location limits on deployable cyno jammers. Might make them useful. |
Zappity
Stay Frosty. A Band Apart.
2068
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Posted - 2015.05.10 21:46:13 -
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The mistake that OP makes is believing that people would still bring their jump freighters into lowsec, lining them up simply for his destructive pleasure. They would not. Lowsec trade would shrivel and die (properly die, not just the slightly dead state it is in now) and nullsec freight would be the province of larger groups only.
So no, I don't think this is a good idea.
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babbie step one
Drop Squad. Black Legion.
0
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Posted - 2015.05.10 21:53:56 -
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You can literally light cyno, alt tab, jump JF in, as soon as you see the JF jump in fleet warp him, lock him and web in all under 7 seconds. it's what I do for my caps in stationless systems
(people have to literally do this for supers all the time, and people solo move supers all the time) |
Rowells
ANZAC ALLIANCE Fidelas Constans
2392
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Posted - 2015.05.10 23:10:14 -
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babbie step one wrote:You can literally light cyno, alt tab, jump JF in, as soon as you see the JF jump in fleet warp him, lock him and web in all under 7 seconds. it's what I do for my caps in stationless systems
(people have to literally do this for supers all the time, and people solo move supers all the time) They web their supers... |
elitatwo
Eve Minions Poopstain Removal Team
664
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Posted - 2015.05.10 23:33:01 -
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Nasar Vyron wrote:...Your only hope of survival is a vigilant scout with a full watchlist and a LS cyno. Nerf cynoing on stations and watch industry burn.
There you go, I corrected that for you free of charge.
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Nasar Vyron
S0utherN Comfort DARKNESS.
51
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Posted - 2015.05.10 23:50:43 -
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elitatwo wrote:Nasar Vyron wrote:...Your only hope of survival is a vigilant scout with a full watchlist and a LS cyno. Nerf cynoing on stations and watch industry burn. There you go, I corrected that for you free of charge.
True enough, but people who make these posts typically know nothing outside of HS or neighboring LS that may as well be. I was trying to keep the conversation to a level of their understanding. Don't want to blow their mind with anything outside of the scope of their little world. |
Harrison Tato
Yamato Holdings
346
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Posted - 2015.05.11 00:11:08 -
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Nasar Vyron wrote:elitatwo wrote:Nasar Vyron wrote:...Your only hope of survival is a vigilant scout with a full watchlist and a LS cyno. Nerf cynoing on stations and watch industry burn. There you go, I corrected that for you free of charge. True enough, but people who make these posts typically know nothing outside of HS or neighboring LS that may as well be. I was trying to keep the conversation to a level of their understanding. Don't want to blow their mind with anything outside of the scope of their little world.
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Dr Zug
Deafening Silence Syndiate
0
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Posted - 2015.05.11 00:55:13 -
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people still use cynos? |
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
2070
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Posted - 2015.05.11 03:00:53 -
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Personally i would like all low sec and npc null stations be made kickout... heck make a special undock for freighters... i just hate station games
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Urziel99
Unified Research Zone
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Posted - 2015.05.11 03:42:06 -
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let's make the stations destructible as well. Starting with any that the OP has assets in. |
Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc Brave Collective
1739
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Posted - 2015.05.11 07:22:01 -
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Zappity wrote:The mistake that OP makes is believing that people would still bring their jump freighters into lowsec, lining them up simply for his destructive pleasure. They would not. Lowsec trade would shrivel and die (properly die, not just the slightly dead state it is in now) and nullsec freight would be the province of larger groups only.
So no, I don't think this is a good idea.
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Samillian
Angry Mustellid The Periphery
777
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Posted - 2015.05.11 08:52:37 -
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Zappity wrote:The mistake that OP makes is believing that people would still bring their jump freighters into lowsec, lining them up simply for his destructive pleasure. They would not. Lowsec trade would shrivel and die (properly die, not just the slightly dead state it is in now) and nullsec freight would be the province of larger groups only.
So no, I don't think this is a good idea.
This.
Why would I bother undocking my logistics character just to provide a guaranteed 8 bil ISK plus loot pi+¦ata?
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