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Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2011.04.24 09:35:00 -
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Originally by: Neoexecutor
Quote: Then you need to stop claiming that they're stealing from you.
Is this some kind of lame threat over the internet.
Oh my.
Originally by: Allestin Villimar Also, if your bookmarks are too far out, they can and will ban you for it.
Originally by: Torothanax Low population in w systems makes afk cloaking unattractive.
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Captain Megadeath
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Posted - 2011.04.24 09:35:00 -
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Originally by: Neoexecutor
I created the wreck, that's what makes my participation relevant.
[RolePlay] For your participation, CONCORD pays you a bounty and allows you to take loot from the wreck, they also let you kill anyone without their interference if they steal said loot from you, they also help you by allowing only you/corp to be able to tractor said wreck.
That wreck is fair game, for both you AND salvagers alike. Why? Because you were paid a bounty for "making" the wreck. You have been paid for it, time and ammo expenses covered. That wreck is now the posession of CONCORD who paid you for it. Now as said, CONCORD give you an advantage to taking this scrap by allowing only you/corp to be able to tractor it. They also allow anyone else the ability of salvaging the wreck and thereby keeping space clear. [/RolePlay]
Has this sunk in yet?...............
Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails my name actually is short for catherine
Yeah, Katie Door perhaps...... lol
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Lady Spank
Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2011.04.24 09:35:00 -
[183]
Originally by: Neoexecutor
Quote: Then you need to stop claiming that they're stealing from you.
Is this some kind of lame threat over the internet. I believe what i believe in and i make claims based on those beliefs.
Quote: Why should they? The wrecks aren't yours after all
Aaaaaand we're back to CCP SAYS SO AND IT'S THE TRUTH
Feel free to stamp your feet because you don't like something. Meanwhile back in reality, wrecks have no ownership.
I think it's funny you murder endless NPC's and expect to have exclusive rights to their stuff afterwards. Carebears sure are greedy mofos.
End of troll-feeding time.
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HeIIfire11
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Posted - 2011.04.24 09:36:00 -
[184]
Edited by: HeIIfire11 on 24/04/2011 09:40:38
Originally by: Captain Megadeath Edited by: Captain Megadeath on 24/04/2011 09:24:23
Originally by: Mag's I personally, would love to see ninja salvagers getting flagged. The flood of MR tears on these forums, would explode. (Pardon the pun)
Indeed........ lol
Not only that, but when the missionrunner loses said faction BS/Maruder with officer/faction fittings we can direct their vitrol towards HeIIfire11 and proudly say "Blame him. This change is all his fault because he couldnt grasp the fact that the wreck "you make" is NOT yours BY DESIGN, only the loot dropped is."
We will be up to our necks in delicious carebear tears.....
Why do you just assume that all ninjas are superior?And why do you assume that every mission runner has this officer fit ship? Stereotype much?
Besides that it would still be up to the mission runner if he shoots or not.Ninja tears are better by the way and Im sure there would be plenty of those too.
But go ahead and blame me..no shame in blameJust throw some credit my way when you see a ninja warp in at like 50 km and you one shot him for putting his sticky paws on your wreck.
Originally by: Lady Spank stuff
Who let you out of c&p?Isn't that where all the ninjas live?I bet they want it changed my way as well.More fights and (maybe)more tears.Everyone wins!
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Thrash Back
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Posted - 2011.04.24 09:39:00 -
[185]
Originally by: HeIIfire11
Originally by: Captain Megadeath Edited by: Captain Megadeath on 24/04/2011 09:24:23
Originally by: Mag's I personally, would love to see ninja salvagers getting flagged. The flood of MR tears on these forums, would explode. (Pardon the pun)
Indeed........ lol
Not only that, but when the missionrunner loses said faction BS/Maruder with officer/faction fittings we can direct their vitrol towards HeIIfire11 and proudly say "Blame him. This change is all his fault because he couldnt grasp the fact that the wreck "you make" is NOT yours BY DESIGN, only the loot dropped is."
We will be up to our necks in delicious carebear tears.....
Why do you just assume that all ninjas are superior?And why do you assume that every mission runner has this officer fit ship? Stereotype much?
Besides that it would still be up to the mission runner if he shoots or not.Ninja tears are better by the way and Im sure there would be plenty of those too.
But go ahead and blame me..no shame in blameJust throw some credit my way when you see a ninja warp in at like 50 km and you one shot him for putting his sticky paws on your wreck.
After reading your previous posts complaining about bad game design, my suggestion is that you stop paying CCP if their game design is so bad, and go and play Habbo Hotel or something.
No one's forcing you to play :)
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.04.24 09:39:00 -
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Originally by: Neoexecutor Is this some kind of lame threat over the internet.
No, it's a simple dichotomy: either you say that they're stealing, in which case you're claiming stuff is yours (without any additional effort on your part) ù it wouldn't be stealing otherwise, after all ù which means your income is suddenly higher than before, or you say that you're not interested in free hand-outs and increased income, in which case no-one is stealing anything because the stuff isn't yours, so they can't steal it from you. The two cannot be combined.
Quote: I created the material that makes the salvage. I should be the owner of this material.
àexcept that it was created for the salvagers to make use of, so there is no more ownership than over any other base resource. It's entirely possible to cultivate rocks in this game ù this doesn't mean they belong to the minerà
Quote: What i decide to do with it is irrelevant.
Congratulations: yes it is irrelevant what you decide. Well, it's irrelevant so far as how it limits what anyone else can do with said material unless your decision is to salvage it right this minute before they get the chance.
Quote: Right because manufacturer just hands out his ships for free right?
What they decide to do with it is irrelevantà
Quote: Aaaaaand we're back to CCP SAYS SO AND IT'S THE TRUTH
And that's the terrible truth: it is the truth because CCP says so. And you still need to provide an explanation for why it should be otherwise. Why should you own the wrecks just because you made them spawn? Why should you own the salvage just because you made the wrecks spawn?
Why shouldn't it instead belong to the person who made the effort to actually create the salvage? ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.04.24 09:41:00 -
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Originally by: HeIIfire11 Why do you just assume that all ninjas are superior?And why do you assume that every mission runner has this officer fit ship?
Because previous experimentations in the area has proven this to generally be true. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
HeIIfire11
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Posted - 2011.04.24 09:43:00 -
[188]
Originally by: Thrash Back
Originally by: HeIIfire11
Originally by: Captain Megadeath Edited by: Captain Megadeath on 24/04/2011 09:24:23
Originally by: Mag's I personally, would love to see ninja salvagers getting flagged. The flood of MR tears on these forums, would explode. (Pardon the pun)
Indeed........ lol
Not only that, but when the missionrunner loses said faction BS/Maruder with officer/faction fittings we can direct their vitrol towards HeIIfire11 and proudly say "Blame him. This change is all his fault because he couldnt grasp the fact that the wreck "you make" is NOT yours BY DESIGN, only the loot dropped is."
We will be up to our necks in delicious carebear tears.....
Why do you just assume that all ninjas are superior?And why do you assume that every mission runner has this officer fit ship? Stereotype much?
Besides that it would still be up to the mission runner if he shoots or not.Ninja tears are better by the way and Im sure there would be plenty of those too.
But go ahead and blame me..no shame in blameJust throw some credit my way when you see a ninja warp in at like 50 km and you one shot him for putting his sticky paws on your wreck.
After reading your previous posts complaining about bad game design, my suggestion is that you stop paying CCP if their game design is so bad, and go and play Habbo Hotel or something.
No one's forcing you to play :)
No one force you to read my post either.As for Habbo Hotel..you first.Ill be right behind ya..promise.
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Neoexecutor
Minmatar Skynet Technologies
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Posted - 2011.04.24 09:44:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Spank I think it's funny you murder endless NPC's and expect to have exclusive rights to their stuff afterwards. Carebears sure are greedy mofos.
I think it's funny you murder endless PC's and expect to have exclusive rights to their stuff afterwards. PVPer's sure are greedy mofos. I think it's funny you manufacture endless trade goods and expect to have exclusive rights to them afterwards. Manufacturer's sure are greedy mofos. I think it's funny you scam endless noobs and expect to have exclusive rights to their stuff afterwards. Scammer's sure are greedy mofos. I think it's funny you colonize endless planet's and expect to have exclusive rights to their products afterwards. PIers sure are greedy mofos. I think it's funny you trade endless trade goods and expect to have exclusive rights to profits afterwards. Traders sure are greedy mofos. I think your face is funny.
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Lugaedh
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Posted - 2011.04.24 09:44:00 -
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There are guys doing the hunt, there are guys who steal the remains (and cut salvage is no theft).
Get used to it, you do not get kill rights as long as they do not take loot or attack you.
There are lions hunting and vultures gnawing the bones.
Ignore them.
Use less populated mission systems. Use a marauder. Shoot wrecks - but wait till they nearly are in salvage range (this is quite funny to ask: where's the bone, doggy?)
And do not let them griee you. Never shoot back in a mission ship. If you want to buzz them, get a pvp ship and a repair buddy in a logi. THEN have fun.
Laugh at those idiots, salvage stealing is for losers... no money in it.
kind regards
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.04.24 09:50:00 -
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Originally by: Neoexecutor I think it's funny you murder endless PC's and expect to have exclusive rights to their stuff afterwards.
No they don't expect that for the simple reason that they don't have it.
Quote: I think it's funny you manufacture endless trade goods and expect to have exclusive rights to them afterwards.
They expect that because they do in fact have those rights.
Quote: I think it's funny you scam endless noobs and expect to have exclusive rights to their stuff afterwards.
They don't expect that because it's not actually the noob's stuff afterwards ù instead, they expect to have exclusive rights to their own stuff, which they do have.
Quote: I think it's funny you colonize endless planet's and expect to have exclusive rights to their products afterwards.
Again, they expect it because they do have it.
Quote: I think it's funny you trade endless trade goods and expect to have exclusive rights to profits afterwards.
If there are any profits, then they do indeed have the rights to those and the expectation is entirely reasonable. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Halcyon Ingenium
Caldari Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
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Posted - 2011.04.24 09:59:00 -
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There is a bit of confusion in this thread. The wreck spawns as a result of your actions, but you don't create it. Hence you have no rights to it that are exclusive, outside of being able to tractor it. On the other hand has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like? ________________________________________________
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Neoexecutor
Minmatar Skynet Technologies
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Posted - 2011.04.24 10:03:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia No, it's a simple dichotomy: either you say that they're stealing, in which case you're claiming stuff is yours (without any additional effort on your part) ù it wouldn't be stealing otherwise, after all ù which means your income is suddenly higher than before, or you say that you're not interested in free hand-outs and increased income, in which case no-one is stealing anything because the stuff isn't yours, so they can't steal it from you. The two cannot be combined.
Pretty sure it was a request by you to me to stop making claims about things i believe in. Feel free to continue using long combinations of big words to switch subjects and arguments. I'm getting used to it by now.
Quote: It's entirely possible to cultivate rocks in this game ù this doesn't mean they belong to the minerà
Yeah well see the rock is created by the server for anyone to take, miner came processed the rock into ore and voila ore is his. Much like mission runner processing an npc ship into a wreck.
Quote: Congratulations: yes it is irrelevant what you decide. Well, it's irrelevant so far as how it limits what anyone else can do with said material unless your decision is to salvage it right this minute before they get the chance.
I already said it's fine with me that they salvage it. But pretending like they're claiming some natural resource is not.
Quote: What they decide to do with it is irrelevantà
Yea, what's relevant tho is that those ships do belong to him.
Quote: And that's the terrible truth: it is the truth because CCP says so. And you still need to provide an explanation for why it should be otherwise. Why should you own the wrecks just because you made them spawn? Why should you own the salvage just because you made the wrecks spawn?
Dude i already drew like 5 analogies (in and out of game) on why i think it's wrong, but you seem to skip them.
Quote: Why shouldn't it instead belong to the person who made the effort to actually create the salvage?
Because he's producing salvage from wrecks that should not (IN MY OPINION) belong to him.
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GoGo Rens
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Posted - 2011.04.24 10:04:00 -
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Edited by: GoGo Rens on 24/04/2011 10:05:26 Solution to this = empty wrecks should turn blue. Stating that they belong to nobody/anybody. Would stop any confusion as to who owns them.
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Neoexecutor
Minmatar Skynet Technologies
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Posted - 2011.04.24 10:07:00 -
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Originally by: Halcyon Ingenium There is a bit of confusion in this thread. The wreck spawns as a result of your actions, but you don't create it. Hence you have no rights to it that are exclusive, outside of being able to tractor it.
So is mining ore. Ore is the result of your actions, but you don't create it. Anything can be labeled as a result of your actions and not the fruit of your work using this logic.
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HeIIfire11
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Posted - 2011.04.24 10:07:00 -
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Edited by: HeIIfire11 on 24/04/2011 10:10:54
Originally by: Halcyon Ingenium There is a bit of confusion in this thread. The wreck spawns as a result of your actions, but you don't create it. Hence you have no rights to it that are exclusive, outside of being able to tractor it.
You have a point since ccp said they wanted it like that.My point is that is that theres nothing free in eve.Some may say ore is free but it costs you time as well.Why should a ninja salvager be able to zip in without risk and help himself to the salvage?
Not only that but think about what Im asking for a second.Wouldn't it be a lot more fun if the chance to fight for it existed?
Missionrunner creates wreck..ninja comes to claim it..missionrunner has the choice to defend it.9 times out of 10 thats what the ninja wants anyway.Wheres the problem?CCP said so and fanboys follow.Nothing speaks against it really.
Everyone wants the carebears to pvp well heres another small step to get them to do so.
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HeIIfire11
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Posted - 2011.04.24 10:10:00 -
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Originally by: GoGo Rens Edited by: GoGo Rens on 24/04/2011 10:05:26 Solution to this = empty wrecks should turn blue. Stating that they belong to nobody/anybody. Would stop any confusion as to who owns them.
Thank you.This would be one way to solve it.Why dont they?
Bad game design like I said from the start.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.04.24 10:11:00 -
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Originally by: Neoexecutor Pretty sure it was a request by you to me to stop making claims about things i believe in.
"Pretty sure" doesn't make you right, unfortunately. No it wasn't.
Quote: Yeah well see the rock is created by the server for anyone to take, miner came processed the rock into ore and voila ore is his.
So you don't know about rock cultivation I take it?
Quote: I already said it's fine with me that they salvage it. But pretending like they're claiming some natural resource is not.
Why not? That's what it is, after allà
Quote: Yea, what's relevant tho is that those ships do belong to him.
You mean like how the salvage belongs to those who create it? Viz. the victorious salvager?
Quote: Dude i already drew like 5 analogies (in and out of game) on why i think it's wrong, but you seem to skip them.
No, they just don't answer the question: why should it be yours just because you made it spawn? Why should you be handed additional assets without any additional effort?
Quote: Because he's producing salvage from wrecks that should not (IN MY OPINION) belong to him.
And guess what: the wrecks don't belong to him. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Neoexecutor
Minmatar Skynet Technologies
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Posted - 2011.04.24 10:11:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Neoexecutor I think it's funny you murder endless PC's and expect to have exclusive rights to their stuff afterwards.
No they don't expect that for the simple reason that they don't have it.
Quote: I think it's funny you manufacture endless trade goods and expect to have exclusive rights to them afterwards.
They expect that because they do in fact have those rights.
Quote: I think it's funny you scam endless noobs and expect to have exclusive rights to their stuff afterwards.
They don't expect that because it's not actually the noob's stuff afterwards ù instead, they expect to have exclusive rights to their own stuff, which they do have.
Quote: I think it's funny you colonize endless planet's and expect to have exclusive rights to their products afterwards.
Again, they expect it because they do have it.
Quote: I think it's funny you trade endless trade goods and expect to have exclusive rights to profits afterwards.
If there are any profits, then they do indeed have the rights to those and the expectation is entirely reasonable.
So you don't find it funny at all that all those activities produce ownership rights, but killing an npc doesn't?
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.04.24 10:14:00 -
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Edited by: Tippia on 24/04/2011 10:16:12
Originally by: HeIIfire11 My point is that is that theres nothing free in eve.Some may say ore is free but it costs you time as well.Why should a ninja salvager be able to zip in without risk and help himself to the salvage?
Because he put the required effort into it.
Quote: Missionrunner creates wreck..ninja comes to claim it.
àexcept that that's not really what happens.
And the question remains: if PvP is the answer to the perceived problem, why is it that people hate the PvP that ninja salvaging already creates?
Originally by: Neoexecutor So you don't find it funny at all that all those activities produce ownership rights, but killing an npc doesn't?
There's just two problems: not all of those do, and killing NPCs does. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
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HeIIfire11
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Posted - 2011.04.24 10:16:00 -
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It's just like PI.When you send it to the customs office it isn't in your cargo yet.But I cant wait at the customs office and intercept it either.
But according to the post from ccp you quoted until its in your cargo its not yours.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.04.24 10:18:00 -
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Originally by: HeIIfire11 But according to the post from ccp you quoted until its in your cargo its not yours.
Don't be silly. There are plenty of locations where stuff is yours (hangars, cans, cargo holds, delivery holds, etc). Sitting unrealised in a wreck is just not one of them. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Halcyon Ingenium
Caldari Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
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Posted - 2011.04.24 10:19:00 -
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Originally by: Neoexecutor
Originally by: Halcyon Ingenium There is a bit of confusion in this thread. The wreck spawns as a result of your actions, but you don't create it. Hence you have no rights to it that are exclusive, outside of being able to tractor it.
So is mining ore. Ore is the result of your actions, but you don't create it. Anything can be labeled as a result of your actions and not the fruit of your work using this logic.
If you owned the asteroid you would have an appropriate counter argument. But this only shows that what I've said applies as a general case. Asteroid is to wreck as salvage is to ore. It doesn't belong to you until you cycle the mining laser or salvager, which creates the ore or salvage, which belongs to you after you take this action, and is deposited in your cargo hold. On the other hand has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like? ________________________________________________
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HeIIfire11
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Posted - 2011.04.24 10:20:00 -
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Edited by: HeIIfire11 on 24/04/2011 10:23:01
Originally by: Tippia And the question remains: if PvP is the answer to the perceived problem, why is it that people hate the PvP that ninja salvaging already creates?
Because people aren't ready for it due to unclear game mechanics.Like I said they still have the option to shoot or not just like they do now.
And because people dislike them for the fact that there is no defense against it other than to shoot yourself in the foot.
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Avon
Caldari Versatech Co. RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2011.04.24 10:21:00 -
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Edited by: Avon on 24/04/2011 10:23:40
This thread makes me want to go can flipping with my salvage character - see how many of the people who complain about ninja salvagers really would like it to be PvP flaggable.
I could make a nice graph.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.04.24 10:23:00 -
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Edited by: Tippia on 24/04/2011 10:23:27
Originally by: HeIIfire11 Because people aren't ready for it due to unclear game mechanics.
First of all, aren't ready for what? What are you referring to?
Also, what's unclear about the game mechanics? First to finish a salvaging cycle on the wreck owns the salvage. It's far more simple and clear than the loot mechanicsà ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Neoexecutor
Minmatar Skynet Technologies
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Posted - 2011.04.24 10:26:00 -
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Quote: "Pretty sure" doesn't make you right, unfortunately. No it wasn't.
Quote: Then you need to stop claiming that they're stealing from you.
Sorry, but i'm still "pretty sure".
Quote: So you don't know about rock cultivation I take it?
I know they weren't created by other players and when i cultivate them i don't steal.
Quote: Why not? That's what it is, after allà
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_resource "occur naturally" is important part. I think closest that we can get to a natural resource in EvE is something that is spawned by a server. Wrecks are not.
Quote: You mean like how the salvage belongs to those who create it? Viz. the victorious salvager?
No i mean like material that produces salvage belongs to someone who created the material in the first place.
Quote: No, they just don't answer the question: why should it be yours just because you made it spawn? Why should you be handed additional assets without any additional effort?
Yes, just because. Like ore belongs to a miner "just because" he activated miner module on a rock. He created a material to produce minerals, is it ok for anyone to come and and steal this material?
Quote: And guess what: the wrecks don't belong to him.
NO WAI!
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HeIIfire11
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Posted - 2011.04.24 10:26:00 -
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Originally by: Avon Edited by: Avon on 24/04/2011 10:21:23 This thread makes me want to go can flipping with my salvage character - see how many of the people who complaining about ninja salvagers really would like it to be PvP flaggable.
I could make a nice graph.
Go ahead I can agree with you that not many will.But should this be changed there will be many who will go looking for this situation with their corps.
I've run missions with corps where there were like 7 of us and one ninja comes in and starts salvaging.The fleet we had together would have face****d anyone who took aggro.We had no choice but to let him be.He didnt get much though because we had two salvagers in there as well.
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Halcyon Ingenium
Caldari Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
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Posted - 2011.04.24 10:28:00 -
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Originally by: HeIIfire11 You have a point since ccp said they wanted it like that.My point is that is that theres nothing free in eve.Some may say ore is free but it costs you time as well.Why should a ninja salvager be able to zip in without risk and help himself to the salvage?
He doesn't just zip in, he must spend time finding the mission, by scanning you down (and not knowing if your doing a mission until he gets there, thereby risking wasting his time), he must then spend time approaching the wreck, he then must cycle the salvager. This is all a risk in possible time wasted, possibly too slow.
Originally by: HeIIfire11 Not only that but think about what Im asking for a second.Wouldn't it be a lot more fun if the chance to fight for it existed?
Only fun for some, which would effectively change nothing. How it is now is only fun for some, and how it would be if your changes were implemented would only be fun for some. Ergo, no reason to expend resources coding a change to a system that was intentional in the first place.
Originally by: HeIIfire11 Missionrunner creates wreck
No, wreck spawns as a result of mission runner activity. Originally by: HeIIfire11 ..ninja comes to claim it..missionrunner has the choice to defend it.
You have the choice to defend it now, that choice has consequences Originally by: HeIIfire11 9 times out of 10 thats what the ninja wants anyway.
I wish I was omniscient. Originally by: HeIIfire11 Wheres the problem?CCP said so and fanboys follow.Nothing speaks against it really.
CCP said so and all players follow. If you play their game you literally have no choice but to play by their rules. This is not opinion, it is fact.
Originally by: HeIIfire11 Everyone wants the carebears to pvp well heres another small step to get them to do so.
I think you mean everyone who isn't a carebear wants the carebears to pvp. But CCP is better served by catering, or at least attempting to, to all their customers. On the other hand has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like? ________________________________________________
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Avon
Caldari Versatech Co. RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2011.04.24 10:30:00 -
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Originally by: HeIIfire11
Go ahead I can agree with you that not many will.But should this be changed there will be many who will go looking for this situation with their corps.
I've run missions with corps where there were like 7 of us and one ninja comes in and starts salvaging.The fleet we had together would have face****d anyone who took aggro.We had no choice but to let him be.He didnt get much though because we had two salvagers in there as well.
Yeah, except you don't know how many friends the salvager has just waiting for you to attack .. same as can flippers.
Even if you factor in the odd group who would be ready and willing to PvP, the overall effect would be a new flood of tears from the majority.
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