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HeIIfire11
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Posted - 2011.04.24 10:35:00 -
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Originally by: Avon
Originally by: HeIIfire11
Go ahead I can agree with you that not many will.But should this be changed there will be many who will go looking for this situation with their corps.
I've run missions with corps where there were like 7 of us and one ninja comes in and starts salvaging.The fleet we had together would have face****d anyone who took aggro.We had no choice but to let him be.He didnt get much though because we had two salvagers in there as well.
Yeah, except you don't know how many friends the salvager has just waiting for you to attack .. same as can flippers.
Even if you factor in the odd group who would be ready and willing to PvP, the overall effect would be a new flood of tears from the majority.
Like I also said before this is possible yes but do you want to predict every outcome of every encounter? May the best man/corp win like everything else in eve.
Also the missionrunner still has the choice to shoot or not.Everyone can get what they want,only downside is for the salvager who's risk increases a bit because he might" get attacked.The missionrunners risk then increases too because the salvager might have a fleet waiting.
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Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2011.04.24 10:35:00 -
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Originally by: Avon ...snip... the overall effect would be a new flood of tears from the majority.
This and it would be wonderful.
Originally by: Allestin Villimar Also, if your bookmarks are too far out, they can and will ban you for it.
Originally by: Torothanax Low population in w systems makes afk cloaking unattractive.
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Neoexecutor
Minmatar Skynet Technologies
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Posted - 2011.04.24 10:36:00 -
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Quote: Asteroid is to wreck as salvage is to ore.
Except that one is effortlessly created by the server and another one is spawned by the efforts of players.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.04.24 10:37:00 -
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Edited by: Tippia on 24/04/2011 10:40:47
Originally by: Neoexecutor Sorry, but i'm still "pretty sure".
Ok, that just makes you wrong then. Good we cleared that up.
Quote: I know they weren't created by other players and when i cultivate them i don't steal.
Of course you don't, but neither do you steal when you drill away at the rocks someone else has been cultivating, and that's the whole point. Just because you made sure something that's worth-while to harvest existed in the game doesn't automatically make it yours.
Quote: I think closest that we can get to a natural resource in EvE is something that is spawned by a server. Wrecks are not.
Wrecks are most certainly spawned by the server, otherwise they wouldn't show up, now would they?
àand as HI explains: they are to salvage what rocks are to ore ù they're on the natural resource level from which a base material is extracted.
Quote: No i mean like material that produces salvage belongs to someone who created the material in the first place.
àexcept that it's meant to be a free-for-all resource from which salvagers can extract their salvage. So why should it belong to you? And why should the salvage that is extracted from it belong to you?
Quote: Yes, just because.
Not good enough.
Quote: Like ore belongs to a miner "just because" he activated miner module on a rock.
It's not "just because" ù it's the reward structure for shooting lasers at rocks. The reward structure for shooting ships does not include the wreck, and most certainly not the salvage (you get bounties and loot instead). So no, it's not the same thing. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
HeIIfire11
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Posted - 2011.04.24 10:39:00 -
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Edited by: HeIIfire11 on 24/04/2011 10:42:35 Edited by: HeIIfire11 on 24/04/2011 10:40:03
Originally by: Halcyon Ingenium stuff
I've addressed almost everything you said in this thread already.Dont jump to the last page and get all in my koolaid because you're to lazy to read it.Sorry there is no TL;DR version.
Originally by: Mag's
Originally by: Avon ...snip... the overall effect would be a new flood of tears from the majority.
This and it would be wonderful.
Yes we heard you the first time.Vote for my fix and you might get it.Your flood of tears that is.
You should be on my side then wtf?Or do you just want to sound hard?
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Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2011.04.24 10:43:00 -
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Originally by: HeIIfire11
Originally by: Mag's
Originally by: Avon ...snip... the overall effect would be a new flood of tears from the majority.
This and it would be wonderful.
Yes we heard you the first time.Vote for my fix and you might get it.
Did I say how wonderful it would be?
Originally by: Allestin Villimar Also, if your bookmarks are too far out, they can and will ban you for it.
Originally by: Torothanax Low population in w systems makes afk cloaking unattractive.
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HeIIfire11
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Posted - 2011.04.24 10:47:00 -
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Originally by: Mag's
Originally by: HeIIfire11
Originally by: Mag's
Originally by: Avon ...snip... the overall effect would be a new flood of tears from the majority.
This and it would be wonderful.
Yes we heard you the first time.Vote for my fix and you might get it.
Did I say how wonderful it would be?
Yes!! See my edit above
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Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2011.04.24 10:53:00 -
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Originally by: HeIIfire11
Originally by: Mag's
Did I say how wonderful it would be?
Yes!! See my edit above
IIRC I voted yes to aggression flagging, in the Assembly Hall.
Originally by: Allestin Villimar Also, if your bookmarks are too far out, they can and will ban you for it.
Originally by: Torothanax Low population in w systems makes afk cloaking unattractive.
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Nea Star
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Posted - 2011.04.24 10:56:00 -
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Lols, mission running carebears in this thread are hillarious!
They got noctis and still want moar.."all mine, mine, FU ninja, mine, cry, stuff"
This is the kind of people I am glad there's wardec mechanic in hisec. Delicious tears..keep 'em coming!
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Neoexecutor
Minmatar Skynet Technologies
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Posted - 2011.04.24 11:00:00 -
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You must be a champion of selective quoting. Let's see if i can do it too.
Quote: cleared that up.
No we didn't.
Quote: neither you steal when you drill away at the rocks ... and that's the whole point. ... you made sure something that's worth-while to harvest existed in the game ... automatically make it yours.
Glad we agree.
Quote: Wrecks are most certainly spawned by the server, otherwise they wouldn't show up, now would they?
Well with the powers of persuasion (guns) i told the server to spawn them, so credit is mine.
Quote: àexcept that it's meant to be a free-for-all resource from which salvagers can extract their salvage. So why should it belong to you? And why should the salvage that is extracted from it belong to you?
You keep hiding behind CCP's policies without giving any reasoning yourself why it shouldn't? And no i don't want free salvage. And no i don't want to be paid more for no effort.
Quote: It's not "just because" ù it's the reward structure for shooting lasers at rocks.
So why make wrecks an exception?
Quote: The reward structure for shooting ships does not include the wreck, and most certainly not the salvage (you get bounties and loot instead). So no, it's not the same thing.
So says CCP. For instance slavery for a very long time was legal and justified by governments in many countries. Let me ask, if you were to live in those times, would you be saying slavery is ok, because government allows it?
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HeIIfire11
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Posted - 2011.04.24 11:00:00 -
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Originally by: Mag's
Originally by: HeIIfire11
Originally by: Mag's
Did I say how wonderful it would be?
Yes!! See my edit above
IIRC I voted yes to aggression flagging, in the Assembly Hall.
There wasn't one open but there is now
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Neoexecutor
Minmatar Skynet Technologies
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Posted - 2011.04.24 11:06:00 -
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Time to hit the bed, i'll be back to this thread tomorrow if it's still goin.
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Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2011.04.24 11:06:00 -
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Originally by: HeIIfire11
Originally by: Mag's
IIRC I voted yes to aggression flagging, in the Assembly Hall.
There wasn't one open but there is now
It was some time ago, but I have voted in yours.
Originally by: Allestin Villimar Also, if your bookmarks are too far out, they can and will ban you for it.
Originally by: Torothanax Low population in w systems makes afk cloaking unattractive.
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Lugaedh
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Posted - 2011.04.24 11:06:00 -
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Originally by: Nea Star Lols, mission running carebears in this thread are hillarious!
They got noctis and still want moar.."all mine, mine, FU ninja, mine, cry, stuff"
This is the kind of people I am glad there's wardec mechanic in hisec. Delicious tears..keep 'em coming!
pathetic wannabe pvp-er. ninja salvagers are the carebears of the carebears.
what a moron one must be the get off on this crap you wrote.
as i said: pathetic. go trolling elsewhere
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Keylah
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.04.24 11:07:00 -
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Edited by: Keylah on 24/04/2011 11:09:42 Dayum! this thread was at 2 or 3 pages last time I was in here. Anyways, if salvage was flag able, a lot of mission runners would loose their shiny ships and go emo on this forum. In addition to that, a lot of them would rage quit eve. Some might thing that is a good thing, how ever I'm sure CCP won't be too happy about loosing that many subscriptions.
After all, the primary reason for a mission runner to run lvl4s is to make isk to buy a expensive faction BS or Marauder to pimp out. If they are afraid it might get blown to space dust, they won't use it, which kinda defeats that point of doing boring missions over and over again for them.
So some people would get their Eve paradise free of hi-sec mission runners, but that won't increase populations in low sec or null sec. Most of the carebears care nothing for pvp, CCP has been trying with little or no success to get them out of hi-sec for years. I don't see that changing anytime soon.
Hence my original recommendation stands: Shoot the wrecks and be done with it. The ninja is sad. The Carebear is alive and should be happy about that(this is for their own good after all). CCP keeps that carebear subscriptions. Everybody wins :)
-K
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.04.24 11:09:00 -
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Edited by: Tippia on 24/04/2011 11:15:26
Originally by: Neoexecutor Well with the powers of persuasion (guns) i told the server to spawn them, so credit is mine.
And the question remains: so what?
Quote: You keep hiding behind CCP's policies without giving any reasoning yourself why it shouldn't?
Because I'm not the one who is asking for a change of those policies. You are. So you are the one who needs to provide the reasons why such a change is needed and why it would be a good thing.
Quote: And no i don't want free salvage. And no i don't want to be paid more for no effort.
Then you need to stop claiming that they're stealing your stuff.
Quote: So why make wrecks an exception?
They're not an exception ù they follow the pattern of rocks to a t: the reward structure for shooting wrecks with salvagers is salvage.
Quote: So says CCP.
Yes. Provide some reasoning why it shouldn't be that way.
Why should the wreck be yours just because you made it spawn? Why should you be handed additional assets without any additional effort? Why should the salvage other people create belong to you? ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
DJWiggles
Gallente Eve Radio Corporation
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Posted - 2011.04.24 11:15:00 -
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Here is my two pence on the issue:
You either salvage first or you don't, if someone else gets there first then they get it. Woot for them if they get it and woot for you if you do. IMHO if you don't like the fact that someone else can come in to your mission (with a fair bit of work on their part) and try and get some salvage, then you have a few options:
- Get a salvage alt trained up and fly them behind you
- Train yourself up to fly a Marauder class Battleship
- Move to a less populated Mission Hub (upcoming changes will help this Agent quality etc.)
- Realise that CCP make this game and if you think its bad go make a game yourself and have it that you cant "steal" salvage
- Stop playing Eve-Online and forget about it
Tippia you can have many many cookies from me as I do love the way you reply with valid points and then people try to take you down.
Now with added extra Wigglyness and a big white fluffy bunny suit with a BLUE BOW TIE on Mondays 19:00 - 22:00 GMT on EVE-Radio.
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OracleClone
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Posted - 2011.04.24 11:17:00 -
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Per CCP Mitnal: Originally by: CCP Mitnal "Our policy on this is extremely clear... Salvaging is a mini-profession within EVE and does not constitute stealing."
Per GM Faolchu : Originally by: GM Faolchu Salvaging other peoples wrecks.... This is an intended game mechanic and is in no way an exploit. People salvaging your missions npcs or the player you just blew up are doing nothing wrong. The players are salvaging what is effectively floating rubbish in space and Concord places no value on this wreckage. Eve is a harsh place you won't always have everything go your way, its a do or die world and people do what they can to get along. If salvaging some wreckage gets them a few more ISK someone will do it, it doesn't matter who just blew it up.
Per Senior GM Ytterbium : Originally by: GM Ytterbium Players are still completely free to salvage other pilot wrecks at will ... and doing so is not considered as an exploit.
Per CCP Prism X : Originally by: CCP Prism X Why is stealing salvage OK? It's not. It shouldn't even be possible to move an item from your cargo-hold / hanger to another persons cargo-hold / hanger without opening a trade window. Before the salvage enters those containers it is not considered your stuff by the server code. Hence it's not stealing.
Per CCP Incognito : Originally by: CCP Incognito Had a chat with some designers this evening. Ninja salvaging is intended game play. It was always intended that the wrecks are public, the loot is private. They do not see it as a problem if others salvage your wrecks.
(These quotes are kept handy for your convenience at Ironfleet.com.) |
HeIIfire11
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Posted - 2011.04.24 11:17:00 -
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Originally by: Keylah
Dayum! this thread was at 2 or 3 pages last time I was in here. Anyways, if salvage was flag able, a lot of mission runners would loose their shiny ships and go emo on this forum. In addition to that, a lot of them would rage quit eve. Some might thing that is a good thing, how ever I'm sure CCP won't be too happy about loosing that many subscriptions.
Not really,don't forget the missionrunner still has to shoot first.
Originally by: Keylah So some people would get their Eve paradise free of hi-sec mission runners, but that won't increase populations in low sec or null sec.
In null and low you can just shoot them.There is no concord hence no problem.
Originally by: Keylah Most of the carebears care nothing for pvp, CCP has been trying with little or no success to get them out of hi-sec for years. I don't see that changing anytime soon..
Maybe they will feel better about it in the safety of their own nest.
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Krud Rurssel
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Posted - 2011.04.24 11:20:00 -
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New players, who have little or no clue about the way Eve works, always come up with the best ideas and I think the OP should apply for a job at CCP. |
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HeIIfire11
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Posted - 2011.04.24 11:21:00 -
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Edited by: HeIIfire11 on 24/04/2011 11:22:23
Originally by: DJWiggles Here is my two pence on the issue:
You either salvage first or you don't, if someone else gets there first then they get it. Woot for them if they get it and woot for you if you do. IMHO if you don't like the fact that someone else can come in to your mission (with a fair bit of work on their part) and try and get some salvage, then you have a few options:
- Get a salvage alt trained up and fly them behind you
- Train yourself up to fly a Marauder class Battleship
- Move to a less populated Mission Hub (upcoming changes will help this Agent quality etc.)
- Realise that CCP make this game and if you think its bad go make a game yourself and have it that you cant "steal" salvage
- Stop playing Eve-Online and forget about it
Tippia you can have many many cookies from me as I do love the way you !!!!reply with valid points !!!!!!and then people try to take you down.
I'd respond negative to your post for being a Tippia lover but since your character is so cute I'll let you off the hook this time.
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DJWiggles
Gallente Eve Radio Corporation
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Posted - 2011.04.24 11:21:00 -
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Originally by: Krud Rurssel New players, who have little or no clue about the way Eve works, always come up with the best ideas and I think the OP should apply for a job at CCP.
Are that what the tutorials are for ... teaching people about Eve-Online and how it works? Now with added extra Wigglyness and a big white fluffy bunny suit with a BLUE BOW TIE on Mondays 19:00 - 22:00 GMT on EVE-Radio.
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Mandos2k
Gallente Divinity Within
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Posted - 2011.04.24 11:22:00 -
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The only thing that should be changed is to be able to use the tractor beam on all wrecks. Let the Noctis rise to fulfill its true destiny!
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Dossie Kielle
Clan Kielle
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Posted - 2011.04.24 11:25:00 -
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Oh noes, people are stealin' mai shizz~ Well, ha~! Get a life you poor, pathetic little children and grow a spine. They aggress? Take them out. Is it not that simple an idea? Poor, little pathetic carebears whining about the loss of your salvage. Tell me, how many of you actually salvage all that flotsm you leave floating around making a mess of my cluster? I thought not.
Go forth and fornicate, but do not multiply. Remove your foolish selves from the New Eden cluster in the most spectacular fashion so as to not pollute our gene pool.
Have a nice day, Dos Tu Mai 'Dossie' Kielle. CEO of the Clan Kielle.
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Keylah
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.04.24 11:25:00 -
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Edited by: Keylah on 24/04/2011 11:26:44
Originally by: HeIIfire11 Not really,don't forget the missionrunner still has to shoot first.
You're right, how ever many would take the bait and pay for it dearly.
Originally by: Keylah So some people would get their Eve paradise free of hi-sec mission runners, but that won't increase populations in low sec or null sec.
In null and low you can just shoot them.There is no concord hence no problem.
No Concord there is why they won't go there in the first place.
Originally by: Keylah Most of the carebears care nothing for pvp, CCP has been trying with little or no success to get them out of hi-sec for years. I don't see that changing anytime soon..
Maybe they will feel better about it in the safety of their own nest.
You wish, after the initial surge of MR's getting pwnd there will be a sharp decrease in mission running activities, and they will quit as they have nothing else to do in eve.
-K
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Maorio
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Posted - 2011.04.24 11:26:00 -
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what's stopping you from ninja salvaging other peoples wrecks?
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HeIIfire11
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Posted - 2011.04.24 11:31:00 -
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Originally by: Maorio what's stopping you from ninja salvaging other peoples wrecks?
Who me? I don't care for salvage mine or anyone elses.I'm just trying to spice up mission running.That and stating the fact that the current game design causes confusion and offers a risk free ticket to isk.
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Halcyon Ingenium
Caldari Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
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Posted - 2011.04.24 11:42:00 -
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Originally by: Neoexecutor
Quote: Asteroid is to wreck as salvage is to ore.
Except that one is effortlessly created by the server and another one is spawned by the efforts of players.
No, one is spawned as the result of player activity, both are created by the server. Both are resources to be harvested by anyone in range with the appropriate harvesting tool. In fact, there are objects not spawned as a result of player activity which produce salvage and are accessed by a salvager. So wrecks are actually a subsumed case of a much larger category of harvestable objects accessed by the salvager. On the other hand has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like? ________________________________________________
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Halcyon Ingenium
Caldari Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
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Posted - 2011.04.24 11:45:00 -
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Originally by: HeIIfire11 I've addressed almost everything you said in this thread already.Dont jump to the last page and get all in my koolaid because you're to lazy to read it.Sorry there is no TL;DR version.
You addressed nothing, you provided lame insults and tautologies. It has nothing to do with laziness, no one wants to read crap churned out by an inferior mind. On the other hand has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like? ________________________________________________
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Zifrian
Deep Space Innovations
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Posted - 2011.04.24 11:53:00 -
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This has to be a troll post.
Anywho, I don't know why people get so bent out of shape about this. I have a buddy that has his blood boil when it happens to him. I just shoot the wrecks. Ninja salvagers get pleasure of seeing people rant and complain on the boards ("carebear tears"). So just deny them of that pleasure. It makes me happy as a clam to destroy a wreck when I see some ninja looter trying to salvage it.
Also, If people just calculated out how long it takes to salvage and the amount of time to screw with all the stuff to get your isk out of it, you would probably find it's just easier to blitz the mission and leave the wrecks anyway. It's sad to see so many people think that the "best way" to make isk is to kill everything and then salvage all the wrecks, and repeat. These are probably the same people using their lp's to buy and sell implants.
Oh well
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