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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2012.04.15 05:47:00 -
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Incursions getting nerfed & drone alloys getting nerfed why are not the blue loot NPC buy orders getting nerfed to to help with the inflation?!?! The Pax Amarrian nerf was a good precendent of a NPC sell order which should be balanced with the sleeper blue loot NPC buy order. A possible bounty 10% cut is being thrown around too by CCP Soundwave. Only one currenntly smelling like a rose is the Wormhole residents. LETS HAVE EVERYONE FEEL THE PAIN OF ESCALATING INFERNO[:!: A pox on An' then [email protected], he come scramblin outta the Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's-á crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'-á |
Derth Ramir
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
21
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Posted - 2012.04.15 06:04:00 -
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Can you please explain what this blue loot is? |
Lanasak
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
59
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Posted - 2012.04.15 06:10:00 -
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death to incursions |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Ponies for the Ethical Treatment of Asteroids
993
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Posted - 2012.04.15 06:14:00 -
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Incursions finally got nerfed? |
T' Elk
The Drunken Empire Fatal Ascension
363
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Posted - 2012.04.15 06:16:00 -
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Ubad, mro?
~Badposter since FOOOOREEEEEVAAAAAR~ // Inferno is coming // The Beard is Back, Ladies and Gents! |
Degren
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
120
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Posted - 2012.04.15 06:20:00 -
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Are you suggesting that a buff to miners and a nerf to high sec income are in the same line as wormhole pilots?
Yes, yes you are.
Because you're stupid. |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
147
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Posted - 2012.04.15 06:21:00 -
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Derth Ramir wrote:Can you please explain what this blue loot is?
------UNIWIKI QUOTE JUNE 2011 :-----
Sleepers leave wrecks containing Sleeper Components (called 'blue loot' because of the color of the items' icons) which can be sold to some NPC stations. The wrecks can be salvaged for Ancient Salvage Materials, which are used in Tech 3 production and can be sold to other players. The blue loot can be sold to some NPC Stations and some regions may not contain any of those stations. So be wary when you sell the Blue Loot and check the prices carefully since in those regions often other players have set up buy orders for the loot at much lower prices.
Neural Network Analyzers can be sold for 50,000 ISK and drop in all Sleeper ship classes. Sleeper Data Libraries can be sold for 200,000 ISK and drop in all Sleeper ship classes. Ancient Coordinates can be sold for 1,500,000 ISK and can drop from cruisers and battleships. Sleeper Drone AI Nexuses can be sold for 5,000,000 ISK and drop mostly from battleships.
Blue loot is a ISK FOUNTAIN that injects as much ISK into the EVE economy as incursions do on a monthly basis An' then [email protected], he come scramblin outta the Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's-á crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'-á |
Lanasak
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
60
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Posted - 2012.04.15 06:24:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:Blue loot is a ISK FOUNTAIN that injects as much ISK into the EVE economy as incursions do on a monthly basis
1) there's a lot more people cashing out blue loot than there are incursion runners 2) there is infinitely more risk in wormholes than in welfare incursions |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
147
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Posted - 2012.04.15 06:36:00 -
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Who do I have to give a blow job to to escape the Escalation nerfs like the Worm hole residents did to escape getting pissed on like the rest of Eve? An' then [email protected], he come scramblin outta the Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's-á crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'-á |
Endeavour Starfleet
803
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Posted - 2012.04.15 06:37:00 -
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There is one thing that needs to be nerfed if all these others go into effect.. AFK Cloaking. Not sure about Wormholes tho. |
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Digital Messiah
Midnight Elites Echelon Rising
175
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Posted - 2012.04.15 06:43:00 -
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1. they are not a faucet, because they do not bring in more isk as a number they simply use what is already floating around. 2. wormholes make butt loads of money because they help produce a lot of good. Mostly because it is a dangerous environment. And because some people don't like living in only a few solar systems for long periods of time. "Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn"
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Grumpymunky
Super Monkey Tribe of Danger
95
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Posted - 2012.04.15 06:49:00 -
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Endeavour Starfleet wrote:There is one thing that needs to be nerfed if all these others go into effect.. AFK Cloaking. Not sure about Wormholes tho. AFK cloaking doesn't earn anything, so it needs a buff.
Digital Messiah wrote:they are not a faucet, because they do not bring in more isk as a number they simply use what is already floating around. Pretty sure money from NPC buy orders was not already "floating around."
Post with your monkey. |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
147
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Posted - 2012.04.15 06:49:00 -
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Digital Messiah wrote:1. they are not a faucet, because they do not bring in more isk as a number they simply use what is already floating around.
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bull crap SLEEPER BLUE LOOT is a ISK faucet pure & simple because it injects ISK into Eve through NPC buy orders! To the whiners : CCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally" |
Ocih
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
145
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Posted - 2012.04.15 06:54:00 -
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Nerf Jove space too. |
Apolyon I
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
3
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Posted - 2012.04.15 06:59:00 -
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maybe because wh offers REAL risk |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
147
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Posted - 2012.04.15 07:00:00 -
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Ocih wrote:Nerf Jove space too.
Its my understanding Jove space was nerfed when CCP laid off a bunch of co-workers after the Incarna fiasco late last year & WiS & WoD got axed To the whiners : CCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally" |
Herping yourDerp
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
483
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Posted - 2012.04.15 07:01:00 -
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i don't know much about wormhole but w/e this blue loot is could go or get changed to something else to make it not an isk faucet. but wormholes don't need a nerf i would like to see more jspace though maybe new effects as well. |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
147
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Posted - 2012.04.15 07:08:00 -
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Lanasak wrote:
1) there's a lot more people cashing out blue loot than there are incursion runners
Not according to Dr E at Fanfest both are around 5%, no? I bet those cashing out blue loot is alot less then 5% & WH residents on top of that get nano ribbons which are worth ALOT more then crappy Concord LP which can only be worth while with overpriced 6% 'plants & Capitol faction modules unless you convert it at a 20%+ reduction to non faction warefare LP. Hey CCP how about allowing Concord LP to be traded to faction LP at a 70% rate to even things out more? To the whiners : CCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally" |
KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
593
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Posted - 2012.04.15 07:41:00 -
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They earn it by taking extraordinary risk. You, not so much. Enjoy your nerf, and U MAD BRO? http://blog.beyondreality.se/Incursion-hose Remove all incursions from hisec |
Mars Theran
EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance
122
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Posted - 2012.04.15 07:41:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:Derth Ramir wrote:Can you please explain what this blue loot is? ------UNIWIKI QUOTE JUNE 2011 :----- Sleepers leave wrecks containing Sleeper Components (called 'blue loot' because of the color of the items' icons) which can be sold to some NPC stations. The wrecks can be salvaged for Ancient Salvage Materials, which are used in Tech 3 production and can be sold to other players. The blue loot can be sold to some NPC Stations and some regions may not contain any of those stations. So be wary when you sell the Blue Loot and check the prices carefully since in those regions often other players have set up buy orders for the loot at much lower prices. Neural Network Analyzers can be sold for 50,000 ISK and drop in all Sleeper ship classes. Sleeper Data Libraries can be sold for 200,000 ISK and drop in all Sleeper ship classes. Ancient Coordinates can be sold for 1,500,000 ISK and can drop from cruisers and battleships. Sleeper Drone AI Nexuses can be sold for 5,000,000 ISK and drop mostly from battleships.
Blue loot is a ISK FOUNTAIN that injects as much ISK into the EVE economy as incursions do on a monthly basis Between 8-10 trillion ISK 1/3 or less of what bounties inject. Difference between Incursions & sleeper income: sleeper income also on top of that gives ribbon salvage which DWARF'S incursion income ( no appreciable salvage in incursions )
You're exagerating. Blue loot isn't really worth that much considering all the costs associated with aquiring it and the number of players it gets spread around to in most cases. In some cases it is a Wormhole Corps primary means of immediate income for its members as the real Sleeper loot gets used in manufacturing as do the majority of other materials aquired in Wormholes.
Not speaking for the wormhole raiders here, just the Corps that actually live there. As for those other chaps, I'm sure they get what they get based on what class of Wormhole they are raiding and how long they spend there.
You also have to consider time investment here. Wormholers probably have one of the highest time requirements placed on them with regard to managing their POSs, mining Gasses, Scanning, and running Sleeper sites which aren't exactly as common as missions or even remotely frequent spawners. Then there is just general time spent scouting and watching and spying/surveiling, which accounts for almost half of any wormholers time in game provided they actually make an effort and don't just show up to blow up Sleepers.
In all, it has a high burnout factor for anyone that actually invests in it actively in game, and you want to take away the one relatively guaranteed payout for all that time invested. Good job. TIIP: The Incredible Invisible Poster |
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Harrigan VonStudly
The Generic Pirate Corporation Fusion.
19
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Posted - 2012.04.15 07:48:00 -
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I don't even know wtf is being said up in here yo |
Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
548
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Posted - 2012.04.15 07:50:00 -
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I think the plan is to run some incursions in some wormholes, then when all the big shiny 5 billion isk incursion ships are all in those wormholes, they will sut. Permanently. Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing. |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
147
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Posted - 2012.04.15 08:20:00 -
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Mars Theran wrote:You're exagerating. Blue loot isn't really worth that much considering all the costs associated with aquiring it and the number of players it gets spread around to in most cases. Good job.
Ummm it is injecting the same amount of ISK into EVE as Incursions are so no I am not exagerating. Same amount of players are doing them as incursions & WH palyers are making much more bank in ribbons on top of the blue loot.
To the whiners : CCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally" |
Roime
Shiva Furnace
476
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Posted - 2012.04.15 08:21:00 -
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Yes, all bounties should be removed and turned into "blue loot", like tags that you need to sell to NPCs to receive any ISK .
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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
147
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Posted - 2012.04.15 08:32:00 -
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Mars Theran wrote: You also have to consider time investment here. Wormholers probably have one of the highest time requirements placed on them with regard to managing their POSs, mining Gasses, Scanning, and running Sleeper sites which aren't exactly as common as missions or even remotely frequent spawners. Then there is just general time spent scouting and watching and spying/surveiling, which accounts for almost half of any wormholers time in game provided they actually make an effort and don't just show up to blow up Sleepers.
In all, it has a high burnout factor for anyone that actually invests in it actively in game, and you want to take away the one relatively guaranteed payout for all that time invested. Good job.
-OK I agree granted there is ALOT more investment time in WHs NO ARGUEMENT THERE!! But NULL SEC too has that investment time & they are getting screwed in the drone regions... why are WH residents being exempted from the need to reduce inflation ( is Hilmar getting handy's from all yous on the sly? :) -Believe it or not Incursions have a big BURN OUT FACTOR TOO. - Remeber not all incursions are HI SEC incursions & especially lo sec incursions should not be seeing these nerfs too -Why are WH residents not participating in the reduction of ISK faucets?!?!?! again: ... why are WH residents being exempted from the need to reduce inflation ( is Hilmar getting handy's from all yous on the sly? :) - I STILL HOLD THAT : The WH peeps have been sheltered too long though IMHO they got thier game down now & the ISK infusions are unnecessary anymore
To the whiners : CCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally" |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
572
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Posted - 2012.04.15 08:33:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:Mars Theran wrote:You're exagerating. Blue loot isn't really worth that much considering all the costs associated with aquiring it and the number of players it gets spread around to in most cases. Good job. Ummm it is injecting the same amount of ISK into EVE as Incursions are so no I am not exagerating. Same amount of players are doing them as incursions & WH palyers are making much more bank in ribbons on top of the blue loot.
Have you ever been in a WH for some time?
WH players are actually sacrificing a lot and doing a lot of hardship to earn that. It's like Far West minus (often times) the railway to get back home.
Blue loot could be turned into something craftable and sold to players instead of NPCs, but nerfing WHers income is certainly NOT the way to go. You can't even begin to compare WH to incursions. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Gorki Andropov
Kerensky Initiatives
302
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Posted - 2012.04.15 08:34:00 -
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Darth, I likes your points BUT I VEHEMENTLY PROTEST THE RACIST IDIOM IN YOUR THREAD TITLE. |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
147
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Posted - 2012.04.15 08:38:00 -
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Gorki Andropov wrote:Darth, I likes your points BUT I VEHEMENTLY PROTEST THE RACIST IDIOM IN YOUR THREAD TITLE.
A SCOT is a racist idiom? As an american I need explaination of that if true I am sorry honestly ! ( or are you just trolling? ) Scot free is a term I used in elementary school w/o a frown... is it a bad term else where? Then again we used the term Inidian givers in school w/o punishment & today I guess I'd get a tongue lashing for that To the whiners : CCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally" |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
147
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Posted - 2012.04.15 08:46:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: Blue loot could be turned into something craftable and sold to players instead of NPCs
Ummm no it can't you are talking about something else.
To the whiners : CCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally" |
Rimase
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
22
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Posted - 2012.04.15 09:06:00 -
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Please lock this thread and incinerate it. (Why CCP no improve Shareholding?): https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=71032#post71032 |
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Himnos Altar
Angry Hobos Interstellar Hobos
12
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Posted - 2012.04.15 09:37:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:Gorki Andropov wrote:Darth, I likes your points BUT I VEHEMENTLY PROTEST THE RACIST IDIOM IN YOUR THREAD TITLE. A SCOT is a racist idiom?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ascot_cap
okay, yes, blue loot DOES give out good ISK, great even. Yes, Nano-Ribbons sell for a lot. but you have to remember that if you're seriously doing Wormholes, you're doing it in a null-sec PVP environment WITHOUT local, where with no warning you can get a fleet or a bomb dropped on you (unless you're super diligent at D Scan and they weren't cloaked before dropping on you, AND Sleepers aren't warp disrupting you from 150km out). That raises the risk.
ADDITIONALLY, any serious attempt at playing with EVE's holes (lots of fun to be had playing in various holes) generally requires a POS for Ship Maintenance Arrays and Corp Hangars (Orca doesn't really cut it unless you're just probing the hole gently for a few hours), which requires fuel. Add the fact that you can no longer make PI fuel and have to import blocks (or at the very least ice products if you hit the jackpot of planets), and that anything less than a Large Tower generally isn't that worth it. Then you have to get ammo, additional ships, etc into the wormhole and to the POS without getting blown up.
And if that's not bad enough, if you get podded you better hope there's someone in the hole with scan probes that can get you back in because otherwise you are ******. BAck in K-space and the nearest entrance wormhole to your hole might be 40+ jumps away--if there IS one that day (C4s+ are generally buried 1 WH deep inside W space IIRC--ie no direct connection to K space, you need to go through WHs to get to K space--could be wrong on the Class number where it generally starts though).
so yeah, next time that you run incursions protected by CONCORD with your shiny ships, with a clone bay system two jumps away and a station hangar in which to put any loot/spare ammo in the system.....please continue raging against the blue tags and nano ribbons that the serious wormholers are getting.
I'm SURE CCP is listening. |
Masikari
State War Academy Caldari State
14
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Posted - 2012.04.15 10:04:00 -
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Mars Theran wrote:
You're exagerating. Blue loot isn't really worth that much considering all the costs associated with aquiring it and the number of players it gets spread around to in most cases. In some cases it is a Wormhole Corps primary means of immediate income for its members as the real Sleeper loot gets used in manufacturing as do the majority of other materials aquired in Wormholes.
Not speaking for the wormhole raiders here, just the Corps that actually live there. As for those other chaps, I'm sure they get what they get based on what class of Wormhole they are raiding and how long they spend there.
You also have to consider time investment here. Wormholers probably have one of the highest time requirements placed on them with regard to managing their POSs, mining Gasses, Scanning, and running Sleeper sites which aren't exactly as common as missions or even remotely frequent spawners. Then there is just general time spent scouting and watching and spying/surveiling, which accounts for almost half of any wormholers time in game provided they actually make an effort and don't just show up to blow up Sleepers.
In all, it has a high burnout factor for anyone that actually invests in it actively in game, and you want to take away the one relatively guaranteed payout for all that time invested. Good job.
This. You hit the spot, sir.
Plus FYI, Darth, WH's did get a big nerf when CCP changed the sleepers so they nueted ships. And it's been said before many times... THE RISK. WH's are riskier that Null because there is no local intel. If blue-loot is bringing in as much ISK as Incursions then Incursions need to be nerfed more, because there is very little risk in comparison. But you shouldn't even compare WH's to Incursions anyway - two VERY different arena's.
Please answer this - have you ever LIVED in a WH? If not (and I don't think you have) go try it for a month and then tell me we shouldn't get rewarded for our efforts.
Here's what we have to do to get our 'over priced' blue loot out: 1) Run the site (I won't even mention the agony of getting a Carrier into a WH to run the sites) and run the constant risk of getting jumped - which is a very common occurence 2) Salvage the site, all the time watching D-Scan and running the risk of getting jumped 3) Scan down our exit into a C2 4) Scout the C2 5) If it's too active we have to close the WH. Takes about 20 mins and holds a lot of risk in either getting jumped or trapping a ship in the other WH 6) Scan down the C2. If there is not a HS/LS/suitable WH exit, repeat point 5 7) See if HS/LS exit is suitable. If not, repeat point 5 8) If the adjacent WH to the C2 is no good, repeat point 5 9) If we are lucky with the exits, we get the loot out. But there is the constant risk of things like warp bubbles, hictors, bombers -the list goes on and on- in the other holes from either roaming gangs or the occupants 10) Do our best to avoid suicide gankers cos we're carrying precious lootz
And you think we should be penalised for this effort? Do you not think there should be a drop of compensation for the amount of ships we lose by choosing WH life? |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
572
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Posted - 2012.04.15 10:28:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: Blue loot could be turned into something craftable and sold to players instead of NPCs
Ummm no it can't you are talking about something else.
Could as in should. English is not my first nor second tongue Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Kaahles
Jion Keanturi THE UNTHINKABLES
3
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Posted - 2012.04.15 10:33:00 -
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Guess you're talking about the incursion nerf stated in the devblog? If because of that you want a WH nerf you're a moron. Sorry but it's as simple as that.
It's not even a ******* nerf. To Vanguards maybe but all it does is a balancing of the sides. Now the more difficult Assault sites actually pay more than the easier vanguards. Which is how it should be.
There were two ways of doing it. Upping the reward of Assault/HQ sites relative to VG's or just lower the output of VG's which is the more reasonable thing to do since we already have a problem with way too much isk coming into the game.
The drone region nerfs are not a reason either because the stupid drone alloys were a mistake from day 1 it should never have happened to begin with.
Besides... I do this stuff (WH's / Incursions) just to get some variety into my ISK making there are much more effective and profitable ways for me anyway. No I won't tell you what it is (pro tip: it's not single thing it's a combination of several things to keep it interesting).
With that being said... all back in your cages! |
Lanasak
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
60
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Posted - 2012.04.15 10:38:00 -
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babby upset over the vanguard nerf wags his finger at the infinitely more risky forms of isk making in the game |
Kaahles
Jion Keanturi THE UNTHINKABLES
3
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Posted - 2012.04.15 10:42:00 -
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Lanasak wrote:babby upset over the vanguard nerf wags his finger at the infinitely more risky forms of isk making in the game Damn basically says the same as my wall if text but with less effort... need more coffee |
ITTigerClawIK
Galactic Rangers Galactic-Rangers
103
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Posted - 2012.04.15 10:53:00 -
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sometimes i think the people going on about nerfing wormholes have never actually gone throught he proccesses of actually doing stuff in said wormholes. |
Ptraci
3 R Corporation The Irukandji
467
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Posted - 2012.04.15 11:02:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote: should be cut in the name of balance.
Yeah if you take a 1 kg weight off from both sides of the scales surely that will make a difference and balance the scale again. |
XIRUSPHERE
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
216
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Posted - 2012.04.15 11:06:00 -
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Wormholes have built in checks and balances such as hard farming depleting systems and the inherent risk in operating in the most dangerous space in eve while juggling logistic hurdles that make all but the most dedicated fold. The income from these ventures is spread over a multitude and is well earned by the sheer effort put in.
Incursions on the other hand are the epitome of reward without risk, purposefully exploited to a maximum degree while mitigating risk to the point where inflation is tangible as the only goal becomes extreme wealth accumulation for a narrow band of players who are fine with broken mechanics as long as they benefit and continue to perpetuate an air of exclusivisity. This has created a culture of entitlement even more dangerous than the cartels that control the vast sums of moon wealth in the game.
The difference is effort and risk, incursions are about neither and about maintaining this broken mechanic at all cost. At least major moon holders readily admit its broken and seek a fix while having worked towards their goal and maintaining it. The drone nerf has been also needed as a solution as it made mining worthless along with gun mining in highsec.
Your lp is worthless because your mechanics are worthless, too much reward, too much supply, too much saturation coupled with greed equals poor ratios. You are deluded and deserve quite more to fix this broken feature. The advantage of a bad memory is that one can enjoy the same good things for the first time several times.
One will rarely err if extreme actions be ascribed to vanity, ordinary actions to habit, and mean actions to fear. |
Hikaru Kuroda
Shimai of New Eden
47
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Posted - 2012.04.15 11:07:00 -
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Lanasak wrote:2) there is infinitely more risk in wormholes than in welfare incursions
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Michael1995
Lead Farmers Academy Kill It With Fire
0
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Posted - 2012.04.15 11:16:00 -
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The main difference between incursions and WHs is the fact that there is no local, meaning that anyone can come in and whack your knackers off.
The only risk coming with incursions is pilot failure (Wrong trigger, stupid Logi) and massive blackbird squads, which can be avoided if seen coming (Dscan is a LOVELY tool). Whereas anything can happen to you while running sites in a WH. I know I've personally stalked a system for a week just to kill a noctis.
About the sleeper neuts: They were originally meant to neut, but were broken for 1.5 years+ until they fixed it.
Also don't forget to nerf mining, they might actually make some money off the increasing mineral prices.
One does not simply buy their way into Goonswarm. |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Industrial Complex Cosmic Consortium
1220
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Posted - 2012.04.15 11:20:00 -
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Roime wrote:Yes, all bounties should be removed and turned into "blue loot", like tags that you need to sell to NPCs to receive any ISK .
This is the way I'd prefer to see it go. Though I'd go a little further and stop NPCs dropping T1 loot at all: they can drop bits and pieces which capsuleers reverse engineer to get high-meta T1 items.
Blue loot is just the same as bounties for everyone else. Why should they get nerved? People are leaving wormholes to go run Incursions because Incursions are so much easier and safer! |
Tobiaz
Spacerats
191
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Posted - 2012.04.15 11:37:00 -
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Mara Rinn wrote:Roime wrote:Yes, all bounties should be removed and turned into "blue loot", like tags that you need to sell to NPCs to receive any ISK . This is the way I'd prefer to see it go. Though I'd go a little further and stop NPCs dropping T1 loot at all: they can drop bits and pieces which capsuleers reverse engineer to get high-meta T1 items. Blue loot is just the same as bounties for everyone else. Why should they get nerved? People are leaving wormholes to go run Incursions because Incursions are so much easier and safer!
I also support the idea of reverse engineering meta1 to 4 from dropped 'salvage'. And the blue loot is obvious a big ISK faucet, that might be looked at, perhaps by removing the buy orders and using it for some other manufactorry purpose.
I don't think there are that many WH-peeps switching over to Incursions though, maybe some of the ones in low WH with small, inactive corporations, but iIn a good WH-corp you can make twice as much ISK/hour then the shiniest VG-blitzers. When making that much money, the only risk that can even put a dent in your wallet is if you get evicted, and that's almost impossible with well-organized occupants. http://go-dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/Tobiaz/sig_complaints.gif
How about fixing image-linking on the forums, CCP? I want to see signatures! |
Lanasak
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
62
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Posted - 2012.04.15 11:42:00 -
[44] - Quote
Mara Rinn wrote:People are leaving wormholes to go run Incursions because Incursions are so much easier and safer!
it's not just wormholes. holding sov in nullsec is a laughing riot these days and the only special thing about it is the ability to build supercaps.
line members are better off running incursions in hisec via alts than running anoms in fully upgraded systems and the primary means of alliance level income - moons - does not require sovereignty.
the reasoning behind wanting incursions nerfed (or at least limited to lowsec) is not empty |
Hatt0ri Hanz0
Life sucks then you die Ltd.
3
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Posted - 2012.04.15 11:48:00 -
[45] - Quote
The downward spiral that is the price of nano ribbons is nerf enough. |
Tobiaz
Spacerats
191
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Posted - 2012.04.15 11:52:00 -
[46] - Quote
Hatt0ri Hanz0 wrote:The downward spiral that is the price of nano ribbons is nerf enough.
I'm guessing that comes from more and more people in W-space and no good way to kick them out. http://go-dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/Tobiaz/sig_complaints.gif
How about fixing image-linking on the forums, CCP? I want to see signatures! |
Elyssa MacLeod
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
71
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Posted - 2012.04.15 12:25:00 -
[47] - Quote
DarthNefarius wrote:To the whiners : CCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally"
And yet, behold the power of tears as theyre nerfing them anyways
Lanasak wrote:Mara Rinn wrote:People are leaving wormholes to go run Incursions because Incursions are so much easier and safer! it's not just wormholes. holding sov in nullsec is a laughing riot these days and the only special thing about it is the ability to build supercaps. line members are better off running incursions in hisec via alts than running anoms in fully upgraded systems and the primary means of alliance level income - moons - does not require sovereignty. the reasoning behind wanting incursions nerfed (or at least limited to lowsec) is not empty
best way to troll 0.0 is earn money is high sec. Im amazed you all havent drowned in your tears by now
You ever think the reason you get so little money in 0.0 is cause of your corp leaders? Its not CCPs fault, its yours GM Homonoia: Suicide ganks are a valid and viable tactic in EVE.
Where is your God now carebear? |
Jovan Geldon
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
407
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Posted - 2012.04.15 13:02:00 -
[48] - Quote
I HAVE A CAPS LOCK BUTTON TOO |
Lanasak
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
64
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Posted - 2012.04.15 13:13:00 -
[49] - Quote
Elyssa MacLeod wrote:best way to troll 0.0 is earn money is high sec. Im amazed you all havent drowned in your tears by now
You ever think the reason you get so little money in 0.0 is cause of your corp leaders? Its not CCPs fault, its yours
what in the world are you talking about |
Testerxnot Sheepherder
DeadHeads - Question Authority Crew
92
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Posted - 2012.04.15 13:20:00 -
[50] - Quote
BEAM ME UP SCOTTY |
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Aiwha
101st Space Marine Force Nulli Secunda
305
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Posted - 2012.04.15 13:22:00 -
[51] - Quote
Because if CCP nerfed wormholes, WH pilots would then beat CCP to death with their massive balls. Regards,
LCpl. Aiwha-á Senior Recruiter |
Masikari
State War Academy Caldari State
14
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Posted - 2012.04.15 13:44:00 -
[52] - Quote
Lanasak wrote:Elyssa MacLeod wrote:best way to troll 0.0 is earn money is high sec. Im amazed you all havent drowned in your tears by now
You ever think the reason you get so little money in 0.0 is cause of your corp leaders? Its not CCPs fault, its yours what in the world are you talking about
I second Lanasak's question to you |
Darth Tickles
Dark Sun Consortium
230
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Posted - 2012.04.15 14:10:00 -
[53] - Quote
Because WHs are far more dangerous and complex.
This is the tenth thread where you've mistaken efforts to balance risk and reward across the different space types as some one-minded effort to curb inflation. The biggest goals are to balance risk and reward and to make mining a viable profession again; inflation reduction as a a monetary policy of sorts is a comparatively less pressing concern.
tl:dr qq for the incursion bears |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
148
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Posted - 2012.04.15 16:30:00 -
[54] - Quote
Elyssa MacLeod wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:To the whiners : CCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally" And yet, behold the power of tears as theyre nerfing them anyways
CCP's left handed nerfs brings to mind a tennis match between 2 blind players. They say too much ISK is entering the system so what do they do: nerf the activity that is "not a big issue in terms of isk globally" and expect to see results after introducing a whole new ISK FOUNTAIN. ccp SOUNDWAVE's already stated that we'd better expect a 10% nerf across the board on bounties due to inflation. Bounties do NOT affect the ISK fountain in Worm Holes. Without true balance & a nerf in WormHoles which the rest of the Eve Universe is getting what we are about to see is yet another BLIND SERVE WHICH WILL SMACK THE OTHER BLIND TENNIS PLAYER SMACK IN THE SIDE OF THE HEAD OR RIGHT BETWEEN HIS LEGS INTO HIS BALLZ To the whiners : CCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally" |
Apolyon I
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
4
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Posted - 2012.04.15 16:38:00 -
[55] - Quote
incursion accounts for 1/3 of bounty, so it means before incursion, we wouldnt have that 1/3, why dont we just REMOVE incursion ENTIRELY, that totally will solve the inflation issue.
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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
148
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Posted - 2012.04.15 16:45:00 -
[56] - Quote
Apolyon I wrote: Wormhole blue loot accounts for 1/3 of bounty, so it means without WH blue loot, we wouldnt have that 1/3, why dont we just REMOVE blue loots ENTIRELY, that totally will solve the inflation issue.
FIXED
(and WH's still have nano ribbons which lets face it are much more profitable then Incursions)
To the whiners : CCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally" |
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
352
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Posted - 2012.04.15 16:51:00 -
[57] - Quote
Degren wrote: [...] Because you're stupid.
^^^That^^^
[/thread]
In irae, veritas. |
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
352
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Posted - 2012.04.15 16:55:00 -
[58] - Quote
DarthNefarius wrote: [...] Blue loot is a ISK FOUNTAIN that injects as much ISK into the EVE economy as incursions do on a monthly basis Between 8-10 trillion ISK 1/3 or less of what bounties inject. Difference between Incursions & sleeper income: sleeper income also on top of that gives ribbon salvage which DWARF'S incursion income ( no appreciable salvage in incursions )
For Gods' sakes, will you please just stop posting? In irae, veritas. |
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
352
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Posted - 2012.04.15 16:56:00 -
[59] - Quote
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:There is one thing that needs to be nerfed if all these others go into effect.. AFK Cloaking. Not sure about Wormholes tho.
You:
Uninstall.
Now.
In irae, veritas. |
seany1212
eXceed Inc. No Holes Barred
131
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Posted - 2012.04.15 17:02:00 -
[60] - Quote
DarthNefarius wrote:Apolyon I wrote: Wormhole blue loot accounts for 1/3 of bounty, so it means without WH blue loot, we wouldnt have that 1/3, why dont we just REMOVE blue loots ENTIRELY, that totally will solve the inflation issue.
FIXED (and WH's still have nano ribbons which lets face it are much more profitable then Incursions)
You sir have no knowledge of anything other than incursions, stick to that.
Blue loot is fixed per site, so if a site is cleared and fully escalated then the amount of blue loot obtained will be the same whether it was the first time the site was run or the 99th. Next nano-ribbons are random drops, you can run one site and get 30 on one occassion and get 1 nano-ribbon the next. Then there is the fact that 0.0 rules apply (bubbles, aggression mechanics, overall pvp). Finally there is that wormholes have no local, which has already been mentioned, so a cloaky hostile only needs to find your wormhole and in the case of running anomalies, doesnt even need to pop probes in order to find you, can practically warp directly to the site you're in.
Get a clue before crying that everything else needs to be nerfed after your high-sec overpaid incursions are getting changed |
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Oxandrolone
Bite Me inc Exhale.
21
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Posted - 2012.04.15 17:41:00 -
[61] - Quote
Blue loot is an isk fountain but how can you compare cap escalations in c5+ wormholes to highsec incursions. Incursions are being nerfed because they are mega easy and have no risk but high reward. Cap escalations are high risk / high reward. I would love to get 100 carebear incursion runners drop then in a c5 with probes and give them each 5 billion in blue loot and tell them they can keep it if they make it to highsec and then sell it without being ganked.
i wonder how many of them will say blue loot should be nerfed ^^ after that |
Sweet Trader
Destinations Unknown The Marmite Collective
21
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Posted - 2012.04.15 18:18:00 -
[62] - Quote
Confirming that the OP doesn't have a Scooby.
Michael1995 wrote:The main difference between incursions and WHs is the fact that there is no local, meaning that anyone can come in and whack your knackers off. +1 for the turn of phrase. ;) |
Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery
1066
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Posted - 2012.04.15 18:21:00 -
[63] - Quote
The thing you're missing is the most important part.
Whereas I can farm incursions or missions 23.5/7 I cannot do the same for WH sites, since they disappear once complete and respawn in a different system, not infinitely so, and only a handful of AUs away. The fact WHs inject a lot of ISK is because people are damn good at securing their sites and running them when they have them.
In such, there is a natural cap on what any one group of WH residents can actually inject into the economy in a period of time.
You're also comparing highsec income to income from an environment which is nullsec with no local to warn you of interlopers.
The current risk:reward ratio makes doing sites in a C1-C4 wormhole almost pointless when you can make the same money, easier and with no risk in highsec. If they nerfed wormholes alongside Incursions then you wouldn't be doing anything to incentivise people taking more risk to reap the higher rewards, which is largely the whole point of eve.
tl;dr stop being a mewling risk averse cry baby and asking for unrelated nerfs because boo-hoo some people will take more risk than you to get the rewards.
Addendum: you also need to haul all the loot to market once you have it, which presents a very real chance of you losing everything you've worked for, vs incursions where it just magics itself into your wallet. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
TheLightningCount
EdgeGamers Dark Taboo
0
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Posted - 2012.04.15 18:35:00 -
[64] - Quote
Darth just seems like a frickin ******. After having lived in wormholes for years, I can tell you this.
1. Wormholes are by no means overflowing with isk.
2. Whatever isk you make is shared with your fleet members.
3. You are going to die in a wormhole. Its not a matter of IF, or WHEN, but how often. Plan your finances accordingly.
I left wormholes over a year ago to run HS incursions with BOJ fleets, absolution fleet, and started making over 200 mil an hour. In wormholes I would make 150m an hour. (Which was judging by the time it took to farm all sites in a wormhole and selling it then splitting it up between your corp mates.)
SO the obvious answer was incursions. I knew ccp would nerf it as it threw inflation into the fire, but I didnt care. I took advantage of the system before it was handled. Everyone else did the same.
Now that incursions are going away. I plan to go back to wormholes, and make more isk and have more fun doing it than you ever will.
But if you ask nicely, I might share some of my blue loot with you :) |
Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
62
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Posted - 2012.04.15 19:08:00 -
[65] - Quote
Lanasak wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:Blue loot is a ISK FOUNTAIN that injects as much ISK into the EVE economy as incursions do on a monthly basis 1) there's a lot more people cashing out blue loot than there are incursion runners 2) there is infinitely more risk in wormholes than in welfare incursions
Yet it would be better for everyone inflation wise if both Incursions and Wormhole dropped more raw materials/modules instead of printing ISK. |
Mars Theran
EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance
123
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Posted - 2012.04.15 19:49:00 -
[66] - Quote
TheLightningCount wrote:Darth just seems like a frickin ******. After having lived in wormholes for years, I can tell you this.
1. Wormholes are by no means overflowing with isk.
2. Whatever isk you make is shared with your fleet members.
3. You are going to die in a wormhole. Its not a matter of IF, or WHEN, but how often. Plan your finances accordingly.
I left wormholes over a year ago to run HS incursions with BOJ fleets, absolution fleet, and started making over 200 mil an hour. In wormholes I would make 150m an hour. (Which was judging by the time it took to farm all sites in a wormhole and selling it then splitting it up between your corp mates.)
SO the obvious answer was incursions. I knew ccp would nerf it as it threw inflation into the fire, but I didnt care. I took advantage of the system before it was handled. Everyone else did the same.
Now that incursions are going away. I plan to go back to wormholes, and make more isk and have more fun doing it than you ever will.
But if you ask nicely, I might share some of my blue loot with you :)
Lets not forget that that 150 million per hour is actually only for about 4-5 hours a week at best in your home system. Anything on top of that generally requires seeking out sites in other Wormholes with increasing Risk as you go farther out, or through manufacturing and mining gases
So to recap, that amounts to 150 * 8 players * average 4.5 hours per week = 5.4 billion ISK per week max out of a C6 on average. That's with max. Cap Escalations btw, using at least a Carrier and 2 Dreads to draw the Escalations. Just to be clear, Dreads are useless for anything but spawning the Cap wave and gtfo after, and Carriers are only useful for that and running logistics while trying to stay alive themselves. That's not as easy as it sounds btw
Also, multiple players generally don't sell Blue loot in my experience; it typically boils down to one guy escorted out by 3-5 selling all the loot from 2-3 weeks that isn't to be used in manufacturing. Same guy also usually uses the same ship to transport all the manufactured products out for sale once every 2-3 weeks and restock on Fuel Blocks and various other things needed to maintain POS or build another Dread or whatever
If that second run seems a bit much to you, then I guess you haven't considered the multiple hours of running reactions and clamping down the wormhole required to actually produce all that while you've dropped nearly all your POS defenses. Basically, you're running reactions all week for 6-8 hours a day most times just to produce what's required to build the reverse engineered sleeper toys. Often, there are days when the damn reactor is almost 24/7 if you've got the materials to feed it, because you can't build a damn thing without it
When was the last time you had to do that for Incursions? The funny thing is that most of what gets earned off that whole process just goes back into the POS or maintaining the hole as you watch the Corp Wallet jump to 2-3 billion and shortly after, drop back down to 350-400 million. More payouts there btw; somebody has to mine all that gas. Too bad the same can't generally be said for minerals which quite often have to be imported for lack of Grav sites
So, in the end you're back to a max. of 5.4 billion ISK split between 8-20 or more people per week in a wormhole. That sort of means that you trade places every other week so someone has a chance to earn ISK because any more than 8-10 people running a site is just silly. Not because it makes it easier, but rather because it's much more likely that someone will lose their ship as you increase in numbers beyond 6-8.
Also, theres no spinny little ships here. You either fly something that can handle the site or you stay home because you will lose it and nobody can be bothered to try and keep you alive which is relatively futile anyway. That means you go without Reps because you will melt in a heartbeat every other second. It's also unlikely that you will be helping much.
I'm going to have to try an Incursion one of these days, just to see what thats like. Turn WiS into wIN! ..make all the characters Nude. |
Mars Theran
EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance
123
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Posted - 2012.04.15 20:02:00 -
[67] - Quote
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:Lanasak wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:Blue loot is a ISK FOUNTAIN that injects as much ISK into the EVE economy as incursions do on a monthly basis 1) there's a lot more people cashing out blue loot than there are incursion runners 2) there is infinitely more risk in wormholes than in welfare incursions Yet it would be better for everyone inflation wise if both Incursions and Wormhole dropped more raw materials/modules instead of printing ISK.
Right, then we can have an excess amount of unmanufacturable goods because we don't have the resources to support their manufacture. And, if we did, then we could increase the time requirements by 2 for current manufacture, reduce the ISK per hour ratio accordingly, then flood the market with Tech 3 goods and watch them drop in cost appropriately.
Shortly after we'll all decide there is just to much supply readily available and the other half of the Wormhole occupants will disappear back into Highsec while every other Wormhole loses its combat ready pilots for want of any real chance to make ISK for all that trouble.
Soon the only ones running sites will be those who don't manufacture, bringing all the loot back to Highsec for other people to buy and manufacture as their whims dictate because that would be the only way to survive. T3 Manufacture will become subject to all the BS that comes with Highsec manufacturing and production as it becomes a controlled commodity making just one person Billions of ISK. Turn WiS into wIN! ..make all the characters Nude. |
Xorv
Questionable Acquisitions
243
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Posted - 2012.04.15 20:09:00 -
[68] - Quote
Incursions hasn't been nerfed enough.
High Sec Incursions needs to either be removed altogether or lose CONCORD protection.
Wormhole space on the other hand is considered the one part of EVE CCP largely got right and is well balanced with Risk, Effort, and Reward. ..and of course Incursion morons want to nerf it. |
Dax Golem
Frozen Dawn Academy
4
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Posted - 2012.04.15 20:24:00 -
[69] - Quote
Risk - Reward in Wormholes is at balance.
If you adjust the safety of incursions to the level of WH safety, then by all means, lower the buy orders of the blue badges. But untill then, it's as it should be. You are now breathing manually |
Mr LaForge
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
272
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Posted - 2012.04.15 21:41:00 -
[70] - Quote
Oh look, another Darth thread and his inflation whines. Stuff Goes here |
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Warlord Shat
Bite Me inc Exhale.
5
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Posted - 2012.04.15 21:45:00 -
[71] - Quote
The main difference is Risk vs Reward
Incursions have no Risk, While Wormholes have a very high risk you there is no local and you can have openings to anywhere
You also have to sell your loot, which also means you can be ganked while going to sell it so you nothing
The Risk vs Reward for Wormholes is fine
Stop whining |
Masikari
State War Academy Caldari State
16
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Posted - 2012.04.15 21:53:00 -
[72] - Quote
Mr LaForge wrote:Oh look, another Darth thread and his inflation whines.
Yup. I'm REALLY starting to think that Darth is just trolling now. All these people taking the time to explain Wormhole processes and he just ignores them.
Writing this thread off as a troll |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
670
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Posted - 2012.04.15 21:58:00 -
[73] - Quote
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:Lanasak wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:Blue loot is a ISK FOUNTAIN that injects as much ISK into the EVE economy as incursions do on a monthly basis 1) there's a lot more people cashing out blue loot than there are incursion runners 2) there is infinitely more risk in wormholes than in welfare incursions Yet it would be better for everyone inflation wise if both Incursions and Wormhole dropped more raw materials/modules instead of printing ISK. How does blue loot add isk? NPC buy orders? |
Masikari
State War Academy Caldari State
16
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Posted - 2012.04.15 22:11:00 -
[74] - Quote
Corina Jarr wrote:Jessie-A Tassik wrote:Lanasak wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:Blue loot is a ISK FOUNTAIN that injects as much ISK into the EVE economy as incursions do on a monthly basis 1) there's a lot more people cashing out blue loot than there are incursion runners 2) there is infinitely more risk in wormholes than in welfare incursions Yet it would be better for everyone inflation wise if both Incursions and Wormhole dropped more raw materials/modules instead of printing ISK. How does blue loot add isk? NPC buy orders?
Yup. It's the equivalent of bounties on any NPC ships. And CCP put NPC buy orders up for them for that reason.
DarthNefarius wrote:Yet it would be better for everyone inflation wise if both Incursions and Wormhole dropped more raw materials/modules instead of printing ISK.
WH's don't print ISK like incursions. You HAVE to loot the wrecks to make any ISK. The loot from from Sleeper wrecks has to be manufactured after reverse engineer other components. And that takes a lot of work.
Sure, you can sell the loot on the market, but the only thing that's worth while selling is the nano-ribbons. And the reason they are worth so much is because they are rare drops and the vital common-component to building all the various T3 modules. |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
148
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Posted - 2012.04.15 22:17:00 -
[75] - Quote
Corina Jarr wrote:Jessie-A Tassik wrote:Lanasak wrote:[quote=DarthNefarius]Blue loot is a ISK FOUNTAIN that injects as much ISK into the EVE economy as incursions do on a monthly basis Yet it would be better for everyone inflation wise if both Incursions and Wormhole dropped more raw materials/modules instead of printing ISK. How does blue loot add isk? NPC buy orders?
Yes. The mechanism is thru NPC buy orders. CCP Soundwave has announced through an interview he's planning on a 10% nerf across the board on all bounties & a ISK nerf on Incursions. The next week a DEV blog conferms there will be a 10% reduction in Vangurd incursion payouts. CCP is planning on punishing every single ISK fountain in the game EXCEPT wormholes to counter inflation from what I hear no matter the risk. Wormhole Wendy giving handies to all the CCP employees to escape thier ISK fountain's nerfing along with the rest of all of Eve? To the whiners : CCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally" |
Masikari
State War Academy Caldari State
17
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Posted - 2012.04.15 22:25:00 -
[76] - Quote
DarthNefarius wrote:Corina Jarr wrote:Jessie-A Tassik wrote:Lanasak wrote:[quote=DarthNefarius]Blue loot is a ISK FOUNTAIN that injects as much ISK into the EVE economy as incursions do on a monthly basis Yet it would be better for everyone inflation wise if both Incursions and Wormhole dropped more raw materials/modules instead of printing ISK. How does blue loot add isk? NPC buy orders? Yes. The mechanism is thru NPC buy orders. CCP Soundwave has announced through an interview he's planning on a 10% nerf across the board on all bounties & a ISK nerf on Incursions. The next week a DEV blog conferms there will be a 10% reduction in Vangurd incursion payouts. CCP is planning on punishing every single ISK fountain in the game EXCEPT wormholes to counter inflation from what I hear no matter the risk. Wormhole Wendy giving handies to all the CCP employees to escape thier ISK fountain's nerfing along with the rest of all of Eve?
You could argue that Incursions aren't getting nerfed - they're getting balanced. Don't forget Assault sites are getting buffed and Vangards nerfed to bring it in balance. Assaults = harder, so it should have a better payout than Vanguards.
What about the Drone regions? They're getting there poo removed and bounties placed..... instant ISK! Where's before they had to harvest and transport the sleeper wrecks. The new method is easier, right?
I'm still convinced Darth is just trolling tho. |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
148
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Posted - 2012.04.15 22:59:00 -
[77] - Quote
From what I've read above the only change to sleeper sites has been the addition of neutralizers?!? Wormhole life sounds pretty static the past few years then. But back to my point ESCALATION & INFERNO is IGNORING Wormholes totally. Hi SEC is getting a new wardecking system. Incursions sites are changing. And Drone region's true sec status is downgrading along with the switch from alloys to bounties. I really feel sorry for the Drone region peeps first they are going to have to learn a new way of life after the alloys disappear then after they start making ISK a 10% nerf well come along for a double wammy . HI/LO/NULL are all seeing nerfs yet wormholes nothing. Must be nice to be ignored by CCP for such a period. Guess if CCP did do any changes to WH's it would be like WORMHOLE stabilizers then peeps there would really scream about CCP shaking up the ant farm To the whiners : CCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally" |
Vihura
Vihura Cor
16
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Posted - 2012.04.15 23:04:00 -
[78] - Quote
DarthNefarius wrote:Incursions getting nerfed & drone alloys getting nerfed why are the blue loot NPC buy orders not getting nerfed to to help with the inflation?!?! The Pax Amarrian nerf was a good precendent of a NPC sell order which was balanced next the sleeper blue loot NPC buy order should be cut in the name of balance. A possible bounty 10% cut is being thrown around too by CCP Soundwave. Only one currenntly smelling like a rose is the Wormhole residents with the Escalation to Inferno lets have HYPERINFLATION mean the end fo Empire NPC's no longer being able to affford to buy sleeper crap which is non ribbons which acually add something to Eve & empire ( at least with Incursions Capsuleers are providing a service to Empire residents what has blueloot added to Empire's security? ) . LETS HAVE EVERYONE FEEL THE PAIN OF ESCALATING INFERNO[:!: A pox on EVERYONE'S house
In incursions you dont have Arazu bumping you from aligne, and blob of ships 30s later on you and loss of 1.5 bilion. |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
574
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Posted - 2012.04.15 23:12:00 -
[79] - Quote
It seems it's not clear enough why WHs income is fine.
Incursions pay so extremely well (and much more than L4) because OH MY GOSH you had to find a proper fleet. End of.
C4+ (where money is to be made) WHs *begin* from finding a proper fleet and then add all the risks of 0.0 space and then add unique risks of no local chat space and then add the nightmare logistics, and then add the AWFUL "live at POS" (only those who had to do it know the full extent of PAIN of it) and then add Sleepers AI. And if you get podded, you are boned. The 12 inches pillar in the ass kind of boned.
Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Masikari
State War Academy Caldari State
17
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Posted - 2012.04.15 23:17:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:From what I've read above the only change to sleeper sites has been the addition of neutralizers?!? Wormhole life sounds pretty static the past few years then. But back to my point ESCALATION & INFERNO is IGNORING Wormholes totally. Hi SEC is getting a new wardecking system. Incursions sites are changing. And Drone region's true sec status is downgrading along with the switch from alloys to bounties. I really feel sorry for the Drone region peeps first they are going to have to learn a new way of life after the alloys disappear then after they start making ISK a 10% nerf well come along for a double wammy . HI/LO/NULL are all seeing nerfs yet wormholes nothing. Must be nice to be ignored by CCP for such a period. Guess if CCP did do any changes to WH's it would be like WORMHOLE stabilizers then peeps there would really scream about CCP shaking up the ant farm
Oh my days. The reason WH's aren't getting nerfed is because they are already well balanced. Probably the most balanced area of the game. And the reason CCP have left it alone for a while is because it doesn't need messing with. Please give WH space a go, Darth, and you will see what everyone here is talking about. Unless you know what WH space is like how can you even begin to comment. Does the volume of replies disagreeing with what your saying not tell you something? |
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Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy Black Sun Alliance
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Posted - 2012.04.15 23:18:00 -
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Endeavour Starfleet wrote:There is one thing that needs to be nerfed if all these others go into effect.. AFK Cloaking. Not sure about Wormholes tho.
oh here we go again... the mythical problem of "AFK" cloaking requires that all cloaking take a hit...sic.
Cloaking is not broken nor does it break anything else. AFK cloakers, if they exist, are not going to gank you while they are "AFK". Remove all cloakers from local while they are cloaked (unless they speak up in chat) - you'll never have to feel threatened by an "AFK cloaker" again.
PO'ed OP: An expansion is not supposed to be about nerfs - remember that CCP is adding new ways to make money as well as the changes you mention. [IMG]http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a208/DawnFrostbringer/OldST.jpg[/IMG] |
Lanasak
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.04.15 23:57:00 -
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Barbara Nichole wrote:Remove all cloakers from local while they are cloaked (unless they speak up in chat) - you'll never have to feel threatened by an "AFK cloaker" again.
this is a stupid idea, get lost |
Xorv
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Posted - 2012.04.16 00:06:00 -
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Lanasak wrote:Barbara Nichole wrote:Remove all cloakers from local while they are cloaked (unless they speak up in chat) - you'll never have to feel threatened by an "AFK cloaker" again. this is a stupid idea, get lost
Quite so, everyone should be removed from Local not just cloakers! Now how about you get lost, and take DaftNefarius and Endeavour SpaceWow with you.
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Lanasak
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.04.16 00:17:00 -
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Xorv wrote:Lanasak wrote:Barbara Nichole wrote:Remove all cloakers from local while they are cloaked (unless they speak up in chat) - you'll never have to feel threatened by an "AFK cloaker" again. this is a stupid idea, get lost Quite so, everyone should be removed from Local not just cloakers!
nope |
Xorv
Questionable Acquisitions
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Posted - 2012.04.16 00:25:00 -
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Lanasak wrote:Xorv wrote:Lanasak wrote:Barbara Nichole wrote:Remove all cloakers from local while they are cloaked (unless they speak up in chat) - you'll never have to feel threatened by an "AFK cloaker" again. this is a stupid idea, get lost Quite so, everyone should be removed from Local not just cloakers! nope
Yup.
Oh wait, what was DaftNefarius talking about again? No changes to Wormholes and Incursion Nerfs..
CCP could reverse the Incursions nerfs (which are quite small to begin with) and move all High Sec Incursions to Wormhole space, simultaneously granting DaftNefarius' demands of no Incursion income nerf and a change to WH space, all while making EVE a more balanced game.
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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
148
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Posted - 2012.04.16 00:47:00 -
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Masikari wrote:Corina Jarr wrote:Jessie-A Tassik wrote:Lanasak wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:Blue loot is a ISK FOUNTAIN that injects as much ISK into the EVE economy as incursions do on a monthly basis 1) there's a lot more people cashing out blue loot than there are incursion runners 2) there is infinitely more risk in wormholes than in welfare incursions Yet it would be better for everyone inflation wise if both Incursions and Wormhole dropped more raw materials/modules instead of printing ISK. How does blue loot add isk? NPC buy orders? Yup. It's the equivalent of bounties on any NPC ships. And CCP put NPC buy orders up for them for that reason.
Exactly if blue loot is "the equivalent of bounties on any NPC ships" it was a BLARING ommision by CCP Soundwave not to add it to the 10% nerf of all bounties he said was comming in his Ten Ton Hammer interview. To the whiners : CCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally" |
Lanasak
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
70
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Posted - 2012.04.16 00:50:00 -
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Xorv wrote:Lanasak wrote:Xorv wrote:Lanasak wrote:Barbara Nichole wrote:Remove all cloakers from local while they are cloaked (unless they speak up in chat) - you'll never have to feel threatened by an "AFK cloaker" again. this is a stupid idea, get lost Quite so, everyone should be removed from Local not just cloakers! nope Yup.
I realize you want more ratter KMs but changing local has effects on the game beyond that |
Xorv
Questionable Acquisitions
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Posted - 2012.04.16 00:54:00 -
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Lanasak wrote: I realize you want more ratter KMs but changing local has effects on the game beyond that
Yes it would, all of them good.
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Lanasak
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.04.16 01:09:00 -
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Xorv wrote:Lanasak wrote: I realize you want more ratter KMs but changing local has effects on the game beyond that
Yes it would, all of them good.
yeah like cloaking becoming far overpowered
gr8 4 teh game m8 o7
stick to missions, thanks |
Xorv
Questionable Acquisitions
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Posted - 2012.04.16 01:29:00 -
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Lanasak wrote:Xorv wrote:Lanasak wrote: I realize you want more ratter KMs but changing local has effects on the game beyond that
Yes it would, all of them good. yeah like cloaking becoming far overpowered gr8 4 teh game m8 o7 stick to missions, thanks
Right, because that's why it was more easy to sneak around, ambush, and evade in Darkfall that had no invisibility stealth than it is in EVE which has full invisibility. Local Chat doesn't just break Cloaking, it breaks an entire way of playing. Anyone defending Local in EVE is completely out to lunch as far as I'm concerned. What other MMO has anything remotely like EVE's Local Chat? None that I've played.
umm.. what do missions have to do with this?
Local Chat Intel is overpowered, game breaking, and it needs to go!
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Jack Tronic
borkedLabs
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Posted - 2012.04.16 01:32:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:Digital Messiah wrote:1. they are not a faucet, because they do not bring in more isk as a number they simply use what is already floating around.
. bull crap SLEEPER BLUE LOOT is a ISK faucet pure & simple because it injects ISK into Eve through NPC buy orders!
So do all levels of missions, NPC give you isk directly for time spent. Sleeper blue loot gives you isk for time spent. Incursions also still give isk, but in a different ratio for TIME SPENT. |
Lanasak
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
70
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Posted - 2012.04.16 01:39:00 -
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Xorv wrote:Right, because that's why it was more easy to sneak around, ambush, and evade in Darkfall that had no invisibility stealth than it is in EVE which has full invisibility. Local Chat doesn't just break Cloaking, it breaks an entire way of playing. Anyone defending Local in EVE is completely out to lunch as far as I'm concerned. What other MMO has anything remotely like EVE's Local Chat? None that I've played.
umm.. what do missions have to do with this?
Local Chat Intel is overpowered, game breaking, and it needs to go!
local chat doesn't break cloaking, it balances it
anybody who argues that local "intel" needs to be removed without any serious changes to numerous parts of the game is clueless about how the game is played in nullsec |
Elle Lau
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
0
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Posted - 2012.04.16 02:24:00 -
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YOU EXPECT PEOPLE TO TAKE YOUR SERIOUSLY WHEN YOU TYPE/POST LIKE THIS???
Seriously, the op obviously has no clue about this matter so don't post up to feed his trolling ego. Having lived in WHs since they were introduced. I decided to check out incursions about 9 months ago and it was sickeningly easy compared to WH space, for slightly more reward as well... it just doesn't make sense. |
Michael1995
Lead Farmers Academy Kill It With Fire
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Posted - 2012.04.16 02:25:00 -
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Perhaps the reason WHs haven't been nerfed is because they ARE actually well balanced already! I know that it might be hard for you to come to grips with, but you have to seriously think about it.
It's in nullsec without local afterall. you too could make the isk if you actually got your balls in order, organized a group of people, and moved into a C5 and started earning RISKFILLED isk OMYGAWD!
But no, keep in HS and keep up your damned whining, maybe one day WHs will get nerfed cause of all the whiny people that only know of incursions. One does not simply buy their way into Goonswarm. |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
148
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Posted - 2012.04.16 02:29:00 -
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Xorv wrote:[ Local Chat Intel is overpowered, game breaking, and it needs to go!
So you are saying HI/lo/NULL SEC local should be just like WH's.... interesting point but back to the threads subject:
Lanasak wrote: holding sov in nullsec is a laughing riot these days and the only special thing about it is the ability to build supercaps.
With the deletion of Drone alloys the building of SuperCap has taken severe nerf. Escalation appears to be a big nerf on all known space but a repreive on W space. Why has Inferno's heat escaped all wormholes CCP?
Tobiaz wrote: I don't think there are that many WH-peeps switching over to Incursions though, maybe some of the ones in low WH with small, inactive corporations, but iIn a good WH-corp you can make twice as much ISK/hour then the shiniest VG-blitzers. When making that much money, the only risk that can even put a dent in your wallet is if you get evicted, and that's almost impossible with well-organized occupants.
This is what I'm really hearing about WH riches. All & all when compating the Incursion wealth versus the sleeper site wealth the peeps in WH's are making more wealth then the richest of the incursion runners. The only peeps that are richer are those at the top o the rung in the HUGE NULL SEC alliances& their MOON goo ATM machines ( cha-CHING).
To the whiners : CCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally" |
Apolyon I
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
4
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Posted - 2012.04.16 03:02:00 -
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Tobiaz wrote: I don't think there are that many WH-peeps switching over to Incursions though, maybe some of the ones in low WH with small, inactive corporations, but iIn a good WH-corp you can make twice as much ISK/hour then the shiniest VG-blitzers. When making that much money, the only risk that can even put a dent in your wallet is if you get evicted, and that's almost impossible with well-organized occupants.
since when the only risk is getting evicted and how come it's impossible??
you prob havent seen AAA bearing fleet got wiped out |
Adacia Calla
The Long Kiss Goodnight Rise Against All
22
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Posted - 2012.04.16 03:04:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:Incursions getting nerfed & drone alloys getting nerfed why are the blue loot NPC buy orders not getting nerfed to to help with the inflation?!?! The Pax Amarrian nerf was a good precendent of a NPC sell order which was balanced next the sleeper blue loot NPC buy order should be cut in the name of balance. A possible bounty 10% cut is being thrown around too by CCP Soundwave. Only one currenntly smelling like a rose is the Wormhole residents with the Escalation to Inferno lets have HYPERINFLATION mean the end fo Empire NPC's no longer being able to affford to buy sleeper crap which is non ribbons which acually add something to Eve & empire ( at least with Incursions Capsuleers are providing a service to Empire residents what has blueloot added to Empire's security? ) . LETS HAVE EVERYONE FEEL THE PAIN OF ESCALATING INFERNO[:!: A pox on EVERYONE'S house TLDR.
My .2 isk: Wormholes are ******* hard.
It's been a year since I lived in a C5, but that lifestyle is NOT easy, blue loot should stay the way it is. Test signature....forum not applying settings :( |
Elle Lau
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
0
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Posted - 2012.04.16 03:19:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:This is what I'm really hearing about WH riches. All & all when compating the Incursion wealth versus the sleeper site wealth the peeps in WH's are making more wealth then the richest of the incursion runners.
What the hell is your problem? Yes you make more isk in WH space, but there's risk compared to no risk. There's logistics involved in getting the money/payout. You could die going through the several wormholes to get out to sell it.
All you're looking at is the end payout compared to incursions, you're not looking at anything in between when trying to get the payout
Stop being a troll and actually read some of this information that has been posted up on the first few pages.
Come move to WH space and get a clue |
Kobal81
Awesome Corp
0
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Posted - 2012.04.16 03:32:00 -
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You rly sound mad, need eh tissue??? |
DarkKnight David
Awesome Corp
0
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Posted - 2012.04.16 03:43:00 -
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You mad bro? |
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Infinion
Awesome Corp
31
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Posted - 2012.04.16 03:53:00 -
[101] - Quote
Suck it up, buttercup |
Jin So
Sanctuary Pact
3
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Posted - 2012.04.16 03:54:00 -
[102] - Quote
tl;dr |
Shara Kusanagi
Awesome Corp
1
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Posted - 2012.04.16 03:55:00 -
[103] - Quote
Sounds like someone needs to rub one out. |
David Mairne
Awesome Corp
1
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Posted - 2012.04.16 03:56:00 -
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Shara Kusanagi wrote:Sounds like someone needs to rub one out.
Log before you flog!
Or we might get another rage post. |
Elle Lau
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
2
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Posted - 2012.04.16 04:10:00 -
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trollololo you guys are soooo funny |
Don't Shoot-I Surrender
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.04.16 04:22:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:Incursions getting nerfed & drone alloys getting nerfed why are the blue loot NPC buy orders not getting nerfed to to help with the inflation?!?! The Pax Amarrian nerf was a good precendent of a NPC sell order which was balanced next the sleeper blue loot NPC buy order should be cut in the name of balance. A possible bounty 10% cut is being thrown around too by CCP Soundwave. Only one currenntly smelling like a rose is the Wormhole residents with the Escalation to Inferno lets have HYPERINFLATION mean the end fo Empire NPC's no longer being able to affford to buy sleeper crap which is non ribbons which acually add something to Eve & empire ( at least with Incursions Capsuleers are providing a service to Empire residents what has blueloot added to Empire's security? ) . LETS HAVE EVERYONE FEEL THE PAIN OF ESCALATING INFERNO[:!: A pox on EVERYONE'S house
You sound like a JEDI |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
148
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Posted - 2012.04.16 04:42:00 -
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TheLightningCount wrote:Darth just seems like a frickin ******. After having lived in wormholes for years, I can tell you this.
1. Wormholes are by no means overflowing with isk.
2. Whatever isk you make is shared with your fleet members.
3. You are going to die in a wormhole. Its not a matter of IF, or WHEN, but how often. Plan your finances accordingly.
I left wormholes over a year ago to run HS incursions with BOJ fleets, absolution fleet, and started making over 200 mil an hour. In wormholes I would make 150m an hour. (Which was judging by the time it took to farm all sites in a wormhole and selling it then splitting it up between your corp mates.)
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1) is a lie WHers are raking in the wealth and you know it 2) Incursions also share ISK with your fleet members 3) you are also going to die in Incursion all this bull crap that Incursions are 0% risk free is a lie & CCP knows it they got the numbers troll
Bull crap you were making 200 million an hour in a HI Sec Incursion fleet that's how I know you are lieing And I am hearing rom more & more peep the 150 million an hour is no were near the true top limit o ISK making in worm holes.
To the whiners : CCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally" |
RAP ACTION HERO
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
5
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Posted - 2012.04.16 04:47:00 -
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because Two Step said so. |
RAP ACTION HERO
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
5
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Posted - 2012.04.16 04:59:00 -
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Grumpymunky wrote:Endeavour Starfleet wrote:There is one thing that needs to be nerfed if all these others go into effect.. AFK Cloaking. Not sure about Wormholes tho. AFK cloaking doesn't earn anything, so it needs a buff. Digital Messiah wrote:they are not a faucet, because they do not bring in more isk as a number they simply use what is already floating around. Pretty sure money from NPC buy orders was not already "floating around."
afk cloaking reduce inflation by reducing isk/hour |
Xorv
Questionable Acquisitions
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Posted - 2012.04.16 05:14:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote: 1) is a lie WHers are raking in the wealth and you know it
Yeah I heard quite a few Wormholers were coming to High Sec to do Incursions, I have no doubt they're raking it in!
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Masikari
State War Academy Caldari State
19
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Posted - 2012.04.16 06:15:00 -
[111] - Quote
Obvious troll is obvious |
Removal Tool
Unleet Industries LLC Lunar Industries Partnership
2
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Posted - 2012.04.16 08:12:00 -
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I do both. WH's and Incursions.
The incursion money prior to the nerf for me and the fleets I flew with was up to 160mil an hour, in perfect conditions a bit more.
I don't get near that amount in a C4, especially when sharing the sites with others. And you must remember, we don't get a spawn to replace the site we just completed within 2-3 minutes in a WH.
If I run incursions solidly for a week I would earn 2-3 billion, maybe more. In a good week in the C4 I would be lucky to get a billion.
And lastly your so called isk faucet of blue loot in wormholes is offset by an isk sink to some degree, that being ship, loot and pos losses.
In 12 months of incursioning I have lost 2 ships, one to a stupid mistake by me and one to a logi dc. total about 2 billion isk
In 6 months of being in a wormhole I have lost 10+ ships to other players and my mistakes. Total about 5-6 billion isk.
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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
150
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Posted - 2012.04.16 08:48:00 -
[113] - Quote
Removal Tool wrote:I do both. WH's and Incursions.
The incursion money prior to the nerf for me and the fleets I flew with was up to 160mil an hour, in perfect conditions a bit more.
I don't get near that amount in a C4, especially when sharing the sites with others. And you must remember, we don't get a spawn to replace the site we just completed within 2-3 minutes in a WH.
If I run incursions solidly for a week I would earn 2-3 billion, maybe more. In a good week in the C4 I would be lucky to get a billion.
And lastly your so called isk faucet of blue loot in wormholes is offset by an isk sink to some degree, that being ship, loot and pos losses.
In 12 months of incursioning I have lost 2 ships, one to a stupid mistake by me and one to a logi dc. total about 2 billion isk
In 6 months of being in a wormhole I have lost 10+ ships to other players and my mistakes. Total about 5-6 billion isk.
You made some very good points I concede but there are a few counter points: -OK in a C4+ you would be making more Wealth my understanding is the c1-c3 are lo ends & the C5+ are hi end? -160 million is near perfect legion blitz fleet w/o bio breaks except during warps ( possible for a lil more but not much ) -SHIP LOSSES ARE NOT A ISK SINK they are a mineral sink ( your wealth is decreased but its in assets someone else still has the ISK )... still losses are losses I concede.
I am curious: you said your WH losses were due to other players & your mistakes so a portion of that I take it were to NPC's and other portion was due to the nature of no Concord. Remeber in lo & NULL concord is not present so there is more ISK ( maybe alot less risk though in NULL if you are deep in SOV ) My real point in this thread is that there is aproblem with the ISK faucets all around and J space is not getting all the nerfs that the rest of Eve will be shouldering. FACE IT CCP THE REAL LOSERS HERE IS THE DRONE LEGIONS WITH THE CRAPPY TRUE SEC UNBALANCING !!! More I hear about it the worse the bounties are for peeps living there and the only way to make it better is to further unbalance inflation for the rest of Eve. Sounds like Drone region needs a few Tech Moons to spawn To the whiners : CCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally" |
Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
456
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Posted - 2012.04.16 09:14:00 -
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Posting in a terrible troll thread. The universe is an ancient desert, a vast wasteland with only occasional habitable planets as oases. We Fremen, comfortable with deserts, shall now venture into another. - STILGAR, From the Sietch to the Stars. |
seany1212
eXceed Inc. No Holes Barred
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Posted - 2012.04.16 09:23:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote: -SHIP LOSSES ARE NOT A ISK SINK they are a mineral sink ( your wealth is decreased but its in assets someone else still has the ISK )
LOLd hard, because when you die every module drops...
This just shows your grasp on the game tbh, bounties are immediate payouts, blue loot is market related. NERF CONCORD LP AS WELL AS INCURSION PAYOUTS |
seany1212
eXceed Inc. No Holes Barred
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Posted - 2012.04.16 09:25:00 -
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Thorn Galen wrote:Posting in a terrible troll thread. Worst thing is, I reckon he's just giving the illusion he's trolling in order to gauge others responses and see if they agree with his own |
Apolyon I
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
5
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Posted - 2012.04.16 09:34:00 -
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too bad noone would agree with him |
Comy 1
Ore Mongers BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2012.04.16 11:04:00 -
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I could actually agree on nerfing the income from sleepers with 10% if we got instant bounty payout rather than blue items that you need to haul to empire and sell.
Alternatively, remove all bounties from the game and replace with their own version of blue loot that every carebear has to move into high/low/npc null and sell.
We shall see how happy every incursion or mission runner will be when his ship full of bounty loot gets suicide ganked and he realize everything he worked for during a week is lost in a glorious fire. |
Hathrul
DEEP-SPACE CO-OP LTD Exhale.
60
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Posted - 2012.04.16 11:15:00 -
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Mars Theran wrote:
Lets not forget that that 150 million per hour is actually only for about 4-5 hours a week at best in your home system. Anything on top of that generally requires seeking out sites in other Wormholes with increasing Risk as you go farther out, or through manufacturing and mining gases
So to recap, that amounts to 150 * 8 players * average 4.5 hours per week = 5.4 billion ISK per week max out of a C6 on average. That's with max. Cap Escalations btw, using at least a Carrier and 2 Dreads to draw the Escalations. Just to be clear, Dreads are useless for anything but spawning the Cap wave and gtfo after, and Carriers are only useful for that and running logistics while trying to stay alive themselves. That's not as easy as it sounds btw
im sorry but have you ever been in high class wormhole space?? if you run sites like that no wonder your income isnt very good
regardless though. as been said, wormholes have a high risk, and once problems come knocking on your door, itll knock out the door, the door frame and most of the house the door was for as well. When we loose ships, we dont loose 1 or 2 but just entire fleets of faction/dead-space/meta 2 fit capitals and t3's.
so we make more then someone in highsec, big deal. were not in highsec
as for the isk faucet. though i can agree to some level that it should be changed, it basically is the same as bounties in empire on rats. and the OP started about the drone nerf.......they are basically the same as sleepers now. just without teeth and not in wormhole space :)
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Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
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Posted - 2012.04.16 11:16:00 -
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seany1212 wrote:LOLd hard, because when you die every module drops... This just shows your grasp on the game tbh, bounties are immediate payouts, blue loot is market related. NERF CONCORD LP AS WELL AS INCURSION PAYOUTS Actually to be fair ship losses are not technically ISK sinks, although item and ship destruction is a pretty fundamental requirement for Eve's economy it is not due to them removing ISK from the game. If anything, thanks to insurance, ship losses are actually an ISK faucet. (Unless you're in T2/T3 ships, naturlich.)
Also, the blue loot Darth is going on about is actually an ISK faucet, it's the data things you sell to NPC market orders.
DarthNefarius wrote:You made some very good points I concede but there are a few counter points: -OK in a C4+ you would be making more Wealth my understanding is the c1-c3 are lo ends & the C5+ are hi end? Actually no, in a C5+ you can make a reasonable amount from the capital escalations etc. but most of your ISK will come from the high end ladars. Again, this is profit that you will not be getting from blue loot, but from selling goods. The combat sites will quickly be exhausted by any alliance/corp, and remember that you have to share profit for the limited number of sites you have access to.
For a solo player C3s and below are the only realistic option, C4s are probably the limit for the slightly more determined solo players with multiple accounts. However, even dual boxing WHs, you will still make less ISK per hour than you would dual boxing incursions. And you're risking your ships, and half your ISK comes in the form of ribbons which again, isn't just magical ISK stuck into your wallet.
DarthNefarius wrote:-160 million is near perfect legion blitz fleet w/o bio breaks except during warps ( possible for a lil more but not much ) A lot of people dual box incursions, and 160m isn't that unrealistic for us. And before you say "I'd never have a dual boxer in my fleet", we don't tell you we're dual boxing. "Can I bring my friends who're also in shiny ships" usually translates into "I'm dual/triple boxing, but I'll be damned if I'll admit it to you".
DarthNefarius wrote:I am curious: you said your WH losses were due to other players & your mistakes so a portion of that I take it were to NPC's and other portion was due to the nature of no Concord. Remeber in lo & NULL concord is not present so there is more ISK ( maybe alot less risk though in NULL if you are deep in SOV ) I would hazard a guess his mistakes led to death from other players, NPC deaths are pretty rare.
DarthNefarius wrote:My real point in this thread is that there is aproblem with the ISK faucets all around and J space is not getting all the nerfs that the rest of Eve will be shouldering. FACE IT CCP THE REAL LOSERS HERE IS THE DRONE LEGIONS WITH THE CRAPPY TRUE SEC UNBALANCING !!! More I hear about it the worse the bounties are for peeps living there and the only way to make it better is to further unbalance inflation for the rest of Eve. Sounds like Drone region needs a few Tech Moons to spawn The problem is you seem to believe CCP's intent with the upcoming changes was to decrease inflation, I see no evidence of this. They were merely performing risk/reward rebalancing, and attempting to fix the mining profession. I'm also pretty sure they are well aware of the risks of mudflation, which is probably why they are now going on an RMT sweep, following in the foot steps of Final Fantasy XI's creators.
Anyway, so far they seem to have done a good job, but in order to see that first you need to realize that their intent was never to provide us all with cheap ships and modules.
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Simi Kusoni
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Comy 1 wrote:I could actually agree on nerfing the income from sleepers with 10% if we got instant bounty payout rather than blue items that you need to haul to empire and sell.
Alternatively, remove all bounties from the game and replace with their own version of blue loot that every carebear has to move into high/low/npc null and sell.
We shall see how happy every incursion or mission runner will be when his ship full of bounty loot gets suicide ganked and he realize everything he worked for during a week is lost in a glorious fire. Actually that would be pretty awesome.
Hehe, imagine making incursion fleets salvage, loot and distribute everything between fleet members fairly CCP totally should have gone that route for slowing down VG blitzing. Hell, they should have made them scan down the sites too
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Hathrul
DEEP-SPACE CO-OP LTD Exhale.
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Simi Kusoni wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:You made some very good points I concede but there are a few counter points: -OK in a C4+ you would be making more Wealth my understanding is the c1-c3 are lo ends & the C5+ are hi end? Actually no, in a C5+ you can make a reasonable amount from the capital escalations etc. but most of your ISK will come from the high end ladars. Again, this is profit that you will not be getting from blue loot, but from selling goods. The combat sites will quickly be exhausted by any alliance/corp, and remember that you have to share profit for the limited number of sites you have access to.
actually you are wrong here. the main income in higher class wormhole space is blue loot. where in low class wormholes most income hopefully comes from the salvaged nanoribbons, and you basically get lucky or unlucky on paychecks, the amount of elite sleeper battleships that you get from quad escalating every anomaly and radar/mag will yield so much blue loot that it outshines nanoribbons by far (though those are always tasty)
as for the ladars. yes, they can actually make you some nice money, and probebly come near regular sleeper ops in terms of income. the reason why in reality they mostly dont is 1. they are harder to find then anomalies. 2. they take a lot longer to do. 3. the sleeper spawn mechanics are annoying. warp to it, go afk half an hour, clean sleepers and then you can do it. 4. the vital and core ladars, where the good stuff is are fairly rare. even if you chain collapse your static it can take several tries to find a single one. and while you can easily have 2 fleets of farming t3's in a c5 running the sites at the same time, the limited amount of ladars make this anything but viable for the bigger alliances |
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Hathrul wrote:actually you are wrong here. the main income in higher class wormhole space is blue loot. where in low class wormholes most income hopefully comes from the salvaged nanoribbons, and you basically get lucky or unlucky on paychecks, the amount of elite sleeper battleships that you get from quad escalating every anomaly and radar/mag will yield so much blue loot that it outshines nanoribbons by far (though those are always tasty) Hmm, are you certain of that? When applying for talcon united a little while back I was told they made the majority of their ISK from ladars, and that I should train up gas harvesting straight away. May have just been a case of the guy recruiting me having a ladar fetish though
I must admit anyway, I never bothered training up gas harvesting, or joining talocan. So my experience in WHs is still limited to triple boxing c3/c4 combat sites
Hathrul wrote:as for the ladars. yes, they can actually make you some nice money, and probebly come near regular sleeper ops in terms of income. the reason why in reality they mostly dont is 1. they are harder to find then anomalies. 2. they take a lot longer to do. 3. the sleeper spawn mechanics are annoying. warp to it, go afk half an hour, clean sleepers and then you can do it. 4. the vital and core ladars, where the good stuff is are fairly rare. even if you chain collapse your static it can take several tries to find a single one. and while you can easily have 2 fleets of farming t3's in a c5 running the sites at the same time, the limited amount of ladars make this anything but viable for the bigger alliances Hmm, harder to find than anomalies? If people in a WH are ignoring sites because they CBA to scan out a system... well... wth are they doing in a WH?
But yeah, I imagine raiding other WHs specifically for ladars is pretty lame, which is why I've always ignored them myself. Although they sound quite profitable in terms of running them in your own system when they crop up, or in a neighboring system if your alliance has just put a lot of guys in there to run anoms anyway.
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Hathrul
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Posted - 2012.04.16 11:59:00 -
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Simi Kusoni wrote:Hmm, harder to find than anomalies? If people in a WH are ignoring sites because they CBA to scan out a system... well... wth are they doing in a WH? But yeah, I imagine raiding other WHs specifically for ladars is pretty lame, which is why I've always ignored them myself. Although they sound quite profitable in terms of running them in your own system when they crop up, or in a neighboring system if your alliance has just put a lot of guys in there to run anoms anyway.
anomalies take 1 click on your on-board scanner to find them all. and we do scan a lot, but when its a ladar it gets ignored outside home system.
as for your home system, yea, im pretty sure we do clear the ladars. but with 100 people living in the wormholes owned by the big wh alliances thats hardly going to make any real income.
plus...its boring! |
Serene Repose
Perkone Caldari State
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At this point I have to object to the subject line in this post for insulting our dear friends to the north, the Scottish people. The inference here is that Scots go free. Sure, some Scots go free, but there's no evidence saying any more Scots go free than any other group of people, such as the Irish, or the Italians for that matter! Next thing you know someone will equate the Scots with penny-pinching. It's shameful, I tell yah.
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Lexar Mundi
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DarthNefarius wrote:Incursions getting nerfed & drone alloys getting nerfed why are the blue loot NPC buy orders not getting nerfed to to help with the inflation?!?! The Pax Amarrian nerf was a good precendent of a NPC sell order which was balanced next the sleeper blue loot NPC buy order should be cut in the name of balance. A possible bounty 10% cut is being thrown around too by CCP Soundwave. Only one currenntly smelling like a rose is the Wormhole residents with the Escalation to Inferno lets have HYPERINFLATION mean the end fo Empire NPC's no longer being able to affford to buy sleeper crap which is non ribbons which acually add something to Eve & empire ( at least with Incursions Capsuleers are providing a service to Empire residents what has blueloot added to Empire's security? ) . LETS HAVE EVERYONE FEEL THE PAIN OF ESCALATING INFERNO[:!: A pox on EVERYONE'S house
if you watched the EVE econ vid, they said re balancing will happen throughout 2012, I have a feeling the drone blue loot in WH space will get nerfed in later patches, along with higher fees and taxes on the market for isk sinks. |
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Serene Repose wrote:At this point I have to object to the subject line in this post for insulting our dear friends to the north, the Scottish people. The inference here is that Scots go free. Sure, some Scots go free, but there's no evidence saying any more Scots go free than any other group of people, such as the Irish, or the Italians for that matter! Next thing you know someone will equate the Scots with penny-pinching. It's shameful, I tell yah.
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Rroff
The Xenodus Initiative.
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Posted - 2012.04.16 14:12:00 -
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Some of the people spouting nonsense in this thread should try living in a WH for awhile before posting.
Wormholes are high risk/high reward*, nerf the income from it and a lot of people wouldn't bother any more and a great part of Eve would be lost.
* To be making a significant chunk of ISK from high class WH your typically looking at around 8bn in capital ships and another 3-6bn in sub-cap support fleet - with the constant threat of someone opening a WH link to you and dropping you with a PVP fleet and the NPCs themselves are quite capable of taking out a carrier or dread if you mess up in regular site running. Then you have to get that loot salvaged and hauled back to empire both of which are far from risk free. |
Rroff
The Xenodus Initiative.
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Posted - 2012.04.16 14:14:00 -
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Simi Kusoni wrote:Actually that would be pretty awesome. Hehe, imagine making incursion fleets salvage, loot and distribute everything between fleet members fairly CCP totally should have gone that route for slowing down VG blitzing. Hell, they should have made them scan down the sites too
Not to mention making incursions low/nullsec only :D you know just to make it a bit more balanced with WHs.
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Movtaron
NorCorp Enterprise No Holes Barred
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Posted - 2012.04.16 15:07:00 -
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Remove CONCORD and GCC inside incursion sites, and i will be happy to agree with the 10% nerf to WH =)
But if that happened, i guess we would just have another stupid, non-knowing post from you..
i can see the topic in my head:
"BUFF WH!! WE CANT DO INCURSIONS ANYMORE, WE RISK GETTING PVP SHIPS IN HERE!!!! OOOMMMGGGG CCP!!!" |
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Altair Raja
Colonial Marines EVE Division Villore Accords
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Grumpymunky wrote:AFK cloaking doesn't earn anything, so it needs a buff. That's just classic, and totally sig worth
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Abraxas666
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Posted - 2012.04.16 15:13:00 -
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Mission reward and bounties are an isk faucet too, should they be nerfed as well? What about 0.0 rats, should they only drop manufacturing-related materials instead of give out bounties? EVE is full of isk faucets because it needs to be, with ships getting blown up everywhere there is isk constantly disappearing from the game. It's true that inflation has hurt the game lately, and many player's wallets because it's getting harder and harder to afford to PLEX accounts with isk, but W-space isn't the cause of any of it.
As far as incursions go, they need to be nerfed and quite honestly vangaurd sites need to be nerfed more than 10%. After switching from mission running to incursions I remember thinking to myself, "If I was only making half this isk incursions would still be worth it". That's because quite honestly the rewards would still be rather high and the risk was almost non-existent. I also think there could be a correlation between the number of incursion pilots and amount of isk in the economy that goes beyond the fact that incursion pilots just make tons of isk. This is because incursion money stays in the economy, incursion ships rarely get blown up and even when those faction ships pop the mineral loss isn't much different than any tech-1 battleship.
Now for W-space. I feel like I'm beating a dead horse but the original poster either hasn't figured out everybody's point or is just ignoring the fact that there needs to be a correlation between risk and reward. Incursions are such a controversial topic because they offer a high reward for such little risk, making them an ideal investment. Wouldn't you like to invest your bank account in a stock you knew was going to make you tons of money at very little chance of a loss?. The argument posted against W-space is that it offers the same high reward as incursions? Well that's because the risk is much greater. In my opinion W-space isn't even lucrative enough for the amount of risk and the cost involved.
I live in a C4 and have a friend who's main character is in a large 0.0 alliance and he is always bragging about the isk that is constantly flowing into his wallet from running complex's and mining grav sites with Rorq support, both of which he can do all day long because they respawn. This isn't something that's possible in W-space. After clearing all the anomalies in system it took a few weeks for our home system to spawn another 4-5 sites, sitting at just 1 site for an entire week. If you're not familiar with W-space anomalies, a C4 site averages about 120mil in both blue loot and salvage (depending on your luck with salvage of course). Splitting that 3-ways between the minimum 3 pilots we use to run the site if nobody is dual-boxing that's 40mil a site. Relying solely on combat sites in our home system we would have only been able to make 200mil a person, for only 3 people, over the course of several weeks. We've also gone an entire 30-days without a grav site and lately we will only receive 2-3 other sites, either ladar, radar, or mag each week at most. Living out here solo someone might be able to pay to fuel their POS and make a little profit off just the resources given to them by our home system, provided they don't have to buy a PLEX for any of the alts they would need because you cannot solo C4 anomalies, but for a corporation this means that most of your income will be from raiding other wormhole systems which drastically increases your risk, cost - as you'll lose more ships, and time investment - as you'll have to spend more time scanning, more time shooting other players, and less time making isk.
My friend also lives fairly deep in 0.0 and has never been surprised by a red or even a neutral because of not only local but also because of intel channels, where enemies can be reported many systems away (because, again, they can be seen in local). This means, to the average member, there is less risk living in 0.0 than there is living in WH space. There are some offsetting factors I will concede, such as it being easier to fleet and take down POS's or even evict an alliance from space in 0.0 than it is in WH space, but to the average member who is mostly interested in himself and less invested in the welfare of his corporation (and yes, that is the viewpoint of the "average" EVE pilot) that's not a huge issue. This is all also ignoring the amenities that exist in K-space that don't exist in W-space such as refineries that aren't capped at 75%, personal hanger space, the ability to store a ship without everyone else in your corporation having access to it, the ability to repair your ship in station without having to refit an armor or hull repairer, jump clones, and even having a medical clone in your home system.
So a list of the different types of space, ranked from lowest to highest by amount of risk, would go high-sec, low-sec, null-sec, then W-space bringing up the rear. It follows that this is also the order in which these types of space should be profitable. However that is not the case and, as a W-space resident, I don't think it should be (I'm not saying that I should make more in W-space than someone does in 0.0). Yes, of course W-space should be much more lucrative than anything in high-sec or low-sec. Given the choice to vote between W-space being more or less profitable I would have to vote more, not as a biased W-space resident but as someone who has experience living out there and can tell you that it's rough. However according to CCP W-space was never meant for permanent habitation and the mechanics in W-space will not function correctly or yield any real reward if W-space becomes overcrowded. W-space needs to remain a lucrative but risky vast unending wasteland, sparsely populated by only the bold.
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Alexis Fawn Molari
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.04.16 15:37:00 -
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You're right, Darth. Clearly incursions should pay as well as wormholes. Because putting your Nightmare on autopilot for 12 jumps, fleeting up with a few friends and shooting red crosses in high sec is clearly just as challenging and dangerous as maintaining a POS, building cap ships, and living in nullsec minus local. There's not reason whatsoever for wormholes to be among the most profitable endeavors in the game. |
Simi Kusoni
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Posted - 2012.04.16 15:53:00 -
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Abraxas666 wrote:with ships getting blown up everywhere there is isk constantly disappearing from the game (...) This is because incursion money stays in the economy, incursion ships rarely get blown up and even when those faction ships pop the mineral loss isn't much different than any tech-1 battleship. I agree with every point you made bar these two, ship destruction doesn't result in an ISK loss, it merely encourages ISK to change hands. Namely, it causes the ISK to be redistributed to miners and industrialists who constructed the ships that replace the ones that were destroyed.
Similarly, the mineral difference between pirate faction BS and T1 BS is irrelevant, that extra money goes to explorers, or mission runners who bought the BPC with LP.
Ship destruction is a necessary and vital aspect of Eve's economy, as it raises the velocity at which money changes hands, but it is not technically an ISK sink. Although an increased rate of trading does result in more money being taken out of the economy via production costs and transaction taxes.
Anyway, to everything else you said, very well put And I especially agree with the point concerning sov null sec, from what I've heard CCP have plans to replace local intel with a true intel tool and that change cannot come about soon enough.
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Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
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DarthNefarius wrote: crying like a baby Please, come to Wormhole space.
We'll show you a nerf...
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Cipher Jones
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DarthNefarius wrote:Incursions getting nerfed & drone alloys getting nerfed why are the blue loot NPC buy orders not getting nerfed to to help with the inflation?!?! The Pax Amarrian nerf was a good precendent of a NPC sell order which was balanced next the sleeper blue loot NPC buy order should be cut in the name of balance. A possible bounty 10% cut is being thrown around too by CCP Soundwave. Only one currenntly smelling like a rose is the Wormhole residents with the Escalation to Inferno lets have HYPERINFLATION mean the end fo Empire NPC's no longer being able to affford to buy sleeper crap which is non ribbons which acually add something to Eve & empire ( at least with Incursions Capsuleers are providing a service to Empire residents what has blueloot added to Empire's security? ) . LETS HAVE EVERYONE FEEL THE PAIN OF ESCALATING INFERNO[:!: A pox on EVERYONE'S house
Cry moar nub.
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Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.16 17:23:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:Lanasak wrote:
1) there's a lot more people cashing out blue loot than there are incursion runners
Not according to Dr E at Fanfest both are around 5%, no? http://d35dgn2pdc8wsn.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/04.jpgI bet those cashing out blue loot is alot less then 5% & WH residents on top of that get nano ribbons which are worth ALOT more then crappy Concord LP which can only be worth while with overpriced 6% 'plants & Capitol faction modules unless you convert it at a 20%+ reduction to non faction warefare LP. Hey CCP how about allowing Concord LP to be traded to faction LP at a 70% rate to even things out more?
Look, when I farm C4's and recruit people and they tell me they can make more in Incursions over time because they can make almost as much as they can in a C4 with zero risk so they're not going to lose anything.....IDK....you don't have a defensible point here. Really!
It's not like Incursion runners have to invest billions in infrastructure or have billions upon billions in ship assets and mods all with their asses hanging out in the wind should your Incursion site ever be sieged preventing you from pulling anything out or getting any help in because frankly, you're almost untouchable in Incursion sites except maybe if some of your fleetmates are real idiots.
I don't think you really have a clue. We want breast augmentations and sluttier clothing in the NeX! |
Eso Es
Nehalem Inc. Li3 Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.16 17:34:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:Digital Messiah wrote:1. they are not a faucet, because they do not bring in more isk as a number they simply use what is already floating around.
. bull crap SLEEPER BLUE LOOT is a ISK faucet pure & simple because it injects ISK into Eve through NPC buy orders!
So we should just nerf ALL Isk faucets to the ground purely because they inject ISK into the economy? What are you smoking bro?
*Hi Sec Incursions are RISK FREE ISK, ever flown around a WH? Everyone and their Mom tryin to kill you and they have the freedom to do it, i.e. new entrances into WHs and NO LOCAL. |
Ayeson
Hard Knocks Inc.
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Posted - 2012.04.16 17:40:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:tears
Its called Unknown space for a reason |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2012.04.16 17:57:00 -
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Serene Repose wrote:At this point I have to object to the subject line in this post for insulting our dear friends to the north, the Scottish people. The inference here is that Scots go free. Sure, some Scots go free, but there's no evidence saying any more Scots go free than any other group of people, such as the Irish, or the Italians for that matter! Next thing you know someone will equate the Scots with penny-pinching. It's shameful, I tell yah.
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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2012.04.16 18:11:00 -
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Abraxas666 wrote:Mission reward and bounties are an isk faucet too, should they be nerfed as well?
CCP Soundwave in his Ten Ton Hammer interview announced that we should expect to see a 10% nerf to ALL bounties due to inflation concerns. He said Incursion payouts would be the first to get nerfed w/o stateing how much they'd get cut & BAM the magic 10% number. CCP Soundwave ommitted that NPC buy orders would get a 10% nerf too but maybe that is because he already considers them a de facto bounty? To the whiners : CCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally" |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
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Posted - 2012.04.16 18:27:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:CCP Soundwave ommitted that NPC buy orders would get a 10% nerf too but maybe that is because he already considers them a de facto bounty? I daresay if he is outright reducing all income sources by 10%, he will be including NPC buy orders too.
Whether or not incursions get hit by a second nerf, to compensate for the changes to other professions, is a much more interesting question.
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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2012.04.16 19:07:00 -
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Simi Kusoni wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:CCP Soundwave ommitted that NPC buy orders would get a 10% nerf too but maybe that is because he already considers them a de facto bounty? I daresay if he is outright reducing all income sources by 10%, he will be including NPC buy orders too. Whether or not incursions get hit by a second nerf, to compensate for the changes to other professions, is a much more interesting question.
What I'm curious is if drone regions will get an effective third nerf where they'll get yet another 10% nerf on thier Drone bounties And peeps in W-Space effectively are ignored by the ESCALATION/INFERNO nerf bat which is wack-a-moleing EVERYONE ELSE To the whiners : CCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally" |
Lyrrashae
Crushed Ambitions Reckless Ambition
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Posted - 2012.04.16 19:16:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:
[le snip]
With the deletion of Drone alloys the building of SuperCap has taken severe nerf. Escalation appears to be a big nerf on all known space but a repreive on W space. Why has Inferno's heat escaped all wormholes CCP?
[ditto]
Because things that are more-or-less properly balanced don't need nerfing, you sanctimonious, know-nothing prat.
I really don't see what's so hard about this?
Next! The invention of ice-hockey is proof that Canada deserves to rule the world. Eh.
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Xorv
Questionable Acquisitions
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Posted - 2012.04.16 19:17:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:What I'm curious is if drone regions will get an effective third nerf where they'll get yet another 10% nerf on thier Drone bounties And peeps in W-Space effectively are ignored by the ESCALATION/INFERNO nerf bat which is wack-a-moleing EVERYONE ELSE
If you're so concerned about the Drone regions perhaps that's where we could move all the High Sec Incursions. Sansha give up on taking Empire space, clearly it's not working, and instead redirect those efforts towards the drone regions.
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Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
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Posted - 2012.04.16 20:14:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:What I'm curious is if drone regions will get an effective third nerf where they'll get yet another 10% nerf on thier Drone bounties To be honest I'm not too bothered about drone regions becoming low value. If it does end up being worthless space it might become a nice area for corps to start out in 0.0, since it would be virtually worthless for the bigger alliances to bust in and take all the space.
That being said, someone would probably still take it over just to rent out.
DarthNefarius wrote:And peeps in W-Space effectively are ignored by the ESCALATION/INFERNO nerf bat which is wack-a-moleing EVERYONE ELSE They haven't said anything about whether or not they are nerfing the w-space bounty payouts, so it's pointless rage poasting about it. But in all honesty even if they don't bother wormhole space is probably the only space in Eve at the moment that deserves to keep it's current payouts.
And that's coming from a null sec resident, I'm not just defending them because I live in one.
Also, even though I admit null sec probably doesn't warrant exemption from nerfs at the moment, I would like to see null sec eventually buffed. But I'd also like to see logistics made more difficult and a local intel nerf in order to justify those buffs.
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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
153
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Posted - 2012.04.16 21:49:00 -
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Simi Kusoni wrote: They haven't said anything about whether or not they are nerfing the w-space bounty payouts,
Exactly they have not said anything. Every other space has had an announcement of changes & it seems they're being adversly affected and being ignored by CCP is what all should strive for if they like playing the game in thier respective niches. Sounds like to me since the peeps living in W-space are not complaining about anything maybe that means they should get a shake up in the ant farm To the whiners : CCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally" |
Kobal81
Awesome Corp
1
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Posted - 2012.04.16 21:58:00 -
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Here's a tissue..... HTFU |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
619
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Posted - 2012.04.16 22:00:00 -
[149] - Quote
DarthNefarius wrote:Simi Kusoni wrote: They haven't said anything about whether or not they are nerfing the w-space bounty payouts,
Exactly they have not said anything. Every other space has had an announcement of changes & it seems they're being adversly affected and being ignored by CCP is what all should strive for if they like playing the game in thier respective niches. Sounds like to me since the peeps living in W-space are not complaining about anything maybe that means they should get a shake up in the ant farm So you want WH space to be nerfed, because no one is complaining about it being imbalanced? :/ I don't really see the logic in that.
--Will Support Your Terrible Forum Thread For ISK-- |
KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
604
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Posted - 2012.04.16 22:00:00 -
[150] - Quote
Kobal81 wrote:Here's a tissue..... HTFU First like for you. http://blog.beyondreality.se/Incursion-hose Remove all incursions from hisec |
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Patrick Estemaire
EVE University Ivy League
4
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Posted - 2012.04.16 22:10:00 -
[151] - Quote
DarthNefarius wrote:
Exactly they have not said anything. Every other space has had an announcement of changes & it seems they're being adversly affected and being ignored by CCP is what all should strive for if they like playing the game in thier respective niches. Sounds like to me since the peeps living in W-space are not complaining about anything maybe that means they should get a shake up in the ant farm
Nerf me? Nerf you!
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Comy 1
Ore Mongers BricK sQuAD.
114
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Posted - 2012.04.16 22:14:00 -
[152] - Quote
Patrick Estemaire wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:
Exactly they have not said anything. Every other space has had an announcement of changes & it seems they're being adversly affected and being ignored by CCP is what all should strive for if they like playing the game in thier respective niches. Sounds like to me since the peeps living in W-space are not complaining about anything maybe that means they should get a shake up in the ant farm
Nerf me? Nerf you!
Nerfing me, nerfing you (ah-haa) There is nothing we can do! Nerfing me, nerfing you (ah-haa) We just have to face it, this time we're through
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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
153
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Posted - 2012.04.16 23:09:00 -
[153] - Quote
Simi Kusoni wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:Simi Kusoni wrote: They haven't said anything about whether or not they are nerfing the w-space bounty payouts,
Exactly they have not said anything. Every other space has had an announcement of changes & it seems they're being adversly affected and being ignored by CCP is what all should strive for if they like playing the game in thier respective niches. Sounds like to me since the peeps living in W-space are not complaining about anything maybe that means they should get a shake up in the ant farm So you want WH space to be nerfed, because no one is complaining about it being imbalanced? :/ I don't really see the logic in that.
Actually I want to see the ISK faucet there ( blue loot ) to be equally cut 10% just as all other bounties & payouts which CCP Soundwave says needs to be done. Fewer peeps participate in W-space then incursions yet they are an eqaully sized ISK faucet plus on top of the NPC buy orders they are making larger bank in nano ribbons. Theres more logic to wrap your mind around. Beyond that is Escalation & Inferno just about balancing? I see maybe 2 additions ( a de/buf status bar & Char customization ) that are not nerfs. When was the last time W-Space was shaken up anyways? Isn't Inferno supposed to be a WAR expansion? What war mechanics are affecting the J-space? To the whiners : CCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally" |
Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
338
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Posted - 2012.04.17 00:20:00 -
[154] - Quote
DarthNefarius wrote: What war mechanics are affecting the J-space? The fact that every day is a state of war, no telling who you connect to and no way to totally "lock out" a dedicated attacker?
If you had a clue you would be dangerous and kittens would be cougars.
They aren't and you don't.
Wormholes: The *NEW* end game of Eve - Online: No Local. No Lag. No Blues (No Intell Channesl). No Blobs.
NEW FEATURE: NO INCARNA! |
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
470
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Posted - 2012.04.17 00:30:00 -
[155] - Quote
Quote:They haven't said anything about whether or not they are nerfing the w-space bounty payouts, so it's pointless rage poasting about it. But in all honesty even if they don't bother wormhole space is probably the only space in Eve at the moment that deserves to keep it's current payouts.
ESPECIALLY wspace bounties.
If they nerf those I am rage quitting so ******* hard... We now return you to your regularly scheduled **** poast. |
Richard Hammond II
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
176
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Posted - 2012.04.17 00:47:00 -
[156] - Quote
DarthNefarius wrote:Abraxas666 wrote:Mission reward and bounties are an isk faucet too, should they be nerfed as well? CCP Soundwave in his Ten Ton Hammer interview announced that we should expect to see a 10% nerf to ALL bounties due to inflation concerns. He said Incursion payouts would be the first to get nerfed w/o stateing how much they'd get cut & BAM the magic 10% number. CCP Soundwave ommitted that NPC buy orders would get a 10% nerf too but maybe that is because he already considers them a de facto bounty?
can I get a link to that?
DarthNefarius wrote:Simi Kusoni wrote: They haven't said anything about whether or not they are nerfing the w-space bounty payouts,
Exactly they have not said anything. Every other space has had an announcement of changes & it seems they're being adversly affected and being ignored by CCP is what all should strive for if they like playing the game in thier respective niches. Sounds like to me since the peeps living in W-space are not complaining about anything maybe that means they should get a shake up in the ant farm
YEAH youd think they were making WH space look better than regular space and give incentives to go there Goons; infiltration at its best - first bob... now ccp itself. They dont realize you guys dot take this as "just a game". Bring it down guys, we're rooting for you. |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
153
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Posted - 2012.04.17 01:00:00 -
[157] - Quote
Richard Hammond II wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:Abraxas666 wrote:Mission reward and bounties are an isk faucet too, should they be nerfed as well? CCP Soundwave in his Ten Ton Hammer interview announced that we should expect to see a 10% nerf to ALL bounties due to inflation concerns. He said Incursion payouts would be the first to get nerfed w/o stateing how much they'd get cut & BAM the magic 10% number. CCP Soundwave ommitted that NPC buy orders would get a 10% nerf too but maybe that is because he already considers them a de facto bounty? can I get a link to that?
http://www.tentonhammer.com/eve-online/interviews/inferno-part-one
To the whiners : CCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally" |
Richard Hammond II
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
179
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Posted - 2012.04.17 01:19:00 -
[158] - Quote
DarthNefarius wrote:Richard Hammond II wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:Abraxas666 wrote:Mission reward and bounties are an isk faucet too, should they be nerfed as well? CCP Soundwave in his Ten Ton Hammer interview announced that we should expect to see a 10% nerf to ALL bounties due to inflation concerns. He said Incursion payouts would be the first to get nerfed w/o stateing how much they'd get cut & BAM the magic 10% number. CCP Soundwave ommitted that NPC buy orders would get a 10% nerf too but maybe that is because he already considers them a de facto bounty? can I get a link to that? http://www.tentonhammer.com/eve-online/interviews/inferno-part-one
sweet ill go read it thx
er what time frame -. I hate watching vids rather than reading articles Goons; infiltration at its best - first bob... now ccp itself. They dont realize you guys dot take this as "just a game". Bring it down guys, we're rooting for you. |
Trading Unknown
Republic University Minmatar Republic
10
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Posted - 2012.04.17 02:58:00 -
[159] - Quote
Quote:YEAH youd think they were making WH space look better than regular space and give incentives to go there
What, wormholes giving more isk than players know what to spend on isn't reason enough? |
Bernie Nator
Talocan Hive Talocan United
209
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Posted - 2012.04.17 04:23:00 -
[160] - Quote
The thing I enjoy about wspace is that literally anything can happen. Group of ships jump in, hank, and on their way out get ganked by a totally different fleet. Found a pos? if its badly defended, you can just remove it from space. Feel the need for a good challenge? Solo run a site toy technically shouldn't be able to, grab the salvager, and loot everything.
It's fun because we made it that way. And I wouldn't play any other way. |
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Xorv
Questionable Acquisitions
249
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Posted - 2012.04.17 04:37:00 -
[161] - Quote
I'd be quite happy to see High Sec Incursions keep it's ridiculously high payouts if the systems it occurs in loses CONCORD and Local Chat like Worm Hole space. ..oh and make the payouts like Wormholes as well so you have to transport most of it, can even make it 'blue' so DaftNefarious no longer envies WHers. |
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ISD LoneLynx
Community Communications Liaisons
1
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Posted - 2012.04.17 10:20:00 -
[162] - Quote
Thread had been slightly cleaned from excessive rudeness. ISD LoneLynx Ensign Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Roime
Shiva Furnace
484
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Posted - 2012.04.17 10:25:00 -
[163] - Quote
LoneLynx, could you be so kind and clean the OP from the user registry?
EVE players would appreciate that.
Thanks!
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Meryl SinGarda
Belligerent Underpayed Tactical Team
464
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Posted - 2012.04.17 10:34:00 -
[164] - Quote
Wormholes are an enigma. They're special. Hell, the WH dwellers already have sort of a hard life as it is, leave 'em alone.
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Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
456
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Posted - 2012.04.17 10:50:00 -
[165] - Quote
There is absolutely nothing wrong with WH space. The potential to die is like anywhere else in EVE that is dangerous Whether that be from volatile NPC's or volatile players.
@Op - You're looking for things to do in order to resolve your own frustrations. There's always motive behind forum posts like yours and those motives are never well thought-out or constructive in any way.
The universe is an ancient desert, a vast wasteland with only occasional habitable planets as oases. We Fremen, comfortable with deserts, shall now venture into another. - STILGAR, From the Sietch to the Stars. |
MisterAl tt1
Pretenders Inc W-Space
6
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Posted - 2012.04.17 20:34:00 -
[166] - Quote
I smell terrific hurting butt here.
And I wonder, did the original poster ever noticed that prices for the "blue loot" never changed, while PLEX prise at least doubled in the period of that loot existance? Farming just for "blue loot" is already not very worth the time for big corporations. |
KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
615
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Posted - 2012.04.17 20:41:00 -
[167] - Quote
Cleansing the thread won't cleanse the butthurt from their soul. Now just remove them from empire completely. http://blog.beyondreality.se/Incursion-hose Remove all incursions from hisec |
Bane Nucleus
The Kairos Syndicate Transmission Lost
19
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Posted - 2012.04.17 22:19:00 -
[168] - Quote
DarthNefarius wrote:Simi Kusoni wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:Simi Kusoni wrote: They haven't said anything about whether or not they are nerfing the w-space bounty payouts,
Exactly they have not said anything. Every other space has had an announcement of changes & it seems they're being adversly affected and being ignored by CCP is what all should strive for if they like playing the game in thier respective niches. Sounds like to me since the peeps living in W-space are not complaining about anything maybe that means they should get a shake up in the ant farm So you want WH space to be nerfed, because no one is complaining about it being imbalanced? :/ I don't really see the logic in that. Actually I want to see the ISK faucet there ( blue loot ) to be equally cut 10% just as all other bounties & payouts which CCP Soundwave says needs to be done. Fewer peeps participate in W-space then incursions yet they are an eqaully sized ISK faucet plus on top of the NPC buy orders they are making larger bank in nano ribbons. Theres more logic to wrap your mind around. Beyond that is Escalation & Inferno just about balancing? I see maybe 2 additions ( a de/buf status bar & Char customization ) that are not nerfs. When was the last time W-Space was shaken up anyways? Isn't Inferno supposed to be a WAR expansion? What war mechanics are affecting the J-space?
I would agree with you IF wormholes were as risk-free as incursions.
Also, wh space hasn't been shaken up because it's pretty damn close to perfect as it is. As the old saying goes "If it isn't broken, don't fix it." |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
155
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Posted - 2012.04.17 23:27:00 -
[169] - Quote
Bane Nucleus wrote: Also, wh space hasn't been shaken up because it's pretty damn close to perfect as it is. As the old saying goes "If it isn't broken, don't fix it."
CCP has been violating the don't break what's fixed rule for soooo long I'm surprised you brought that line up. Sorry but ALL ISK faucets combined are a big problem & saying WH's ISK faucet which is concentrated in the hands of much fewer then Incursions ( while being nearly the same exact amount ) makes me laugh To the whiners : CCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally" |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
627
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Posted - 2012.04.17 23:42:00 -
[170] - Quote
DarthNefarius wrote:Bane Nucleus wrote: Also, wh space hasn't been shaken up because it's pretty damn close to perfect as it is. As the old saying goes "If it isn't broken, don't fix it."
CCP has been violating the don't break what works rule for soooo long I'm surprised you brought that line up. Sorry but ALL ISK faucets combined are a big problem CCP Soundwave has admitted it to & saying WH's ISK faucet which is concentrated in the hands of much fewer then Incursions ( while being nearly the same exact amount ) shouldn't be touched along with the rest of the Sandbox makes me laugh I iterate CCP where's the Wormhole NERFS to Escaltation WHY ARE THEY GETTING OFF SCOT FREE?? BURN EVERYONE EQUALLY WHERE IT COMES TO THE ISK FAUCET 10% NERFS Risk reward balance.
Now HTFU and stop bumping this terrible excuse for a thread.
--Will Support Your Terrible Forum Thread For ISK-- |
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Bane Nucleus
The Kairos Syndicate Transmission Lost
19
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Posted - 2012.04.18 00:50:00 -
[171] - Quote
DarthNefarius wrote:Bane Nucleus wrote: Also, wh space hasn't been shaken up because it's pretty damn close to perfect as it is. As the old saying goes "If it isn't broken, don't fix it."
CCP has been violating the don't break what works rule for soooo long I'm surprised you brought that line up. Sorry but ALL ISK faucets combined are a big problem CCP Soundwave has admitted it to & saying WH's ISK faucet which is concentrated in the hands of much fewer then Incursions ( while being nearly the same exact amount ) shouldn't be touched along with the rest of the Sandbox makes me laugh I iterate CCP where's the Wormhole NERFS to Escaltation WHY ARE THEY GETTING OFF SCOT FREE?? BURN EVERYONE EQUALLY WHERE IT COMES TO THE ISK FAUCET 10% NERFS
You keep saying scot free, like they didn't do anything for it. In order to get this isk faucet going, you need to do multiple cap escalations. This means it's not done by some daytripper scanning himself a wormhole from high sec. This is done by DEDICATED wormhole corps, who risk losing their entire fleet everytime they warp into an anomoly. I have been on both ends of this, both ganking and being ganked. IIRC, this isn't much of an issue in most incursions.
The only problem I see with it being the same exact amount is that you get too much isk doing incursions with very little risk. They should cut the amount of isk you make from incursions. Then it will be balanced.
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Serge Bastana
GWA Corp
334
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Posted - 2012.04.18 01:05:00 -
[172] - Quote
DarthNefarius wrote:Bane Nucleus wrote: Also, wh space hasn't been shaken up because it's pretty damn close to perfect as it is. As the old saying goes "If it isn't broken, don't fix it."
CCP has been violating the don't break what works rule for soooo long I'm surprised you brought that line up. Sorry but ALL ISK faucets combined are a big problem CCP Soundwave has admitted it to & saying WH's ISK faucet which is concentrated in the hands of much fewer then Incursions ( while being nearly the same exact amount ) shouldn't be touched along with the rest of the Sandbox makes me laugh I iterate CCP where's the Wormhole NERFS to Escaltation WHY ARE THEY GETTING OFF SCOT FREE?? BURN EVERYONE EQUALLY WHERE IT COMES TO THE ISK FAUCET 10% NERFS
Do you seriously consider high sec incursions to be as risky as wormholes? Have you ever been into whiskey space?
I'm viewing this as you simply throwing a massive hissey fit since the news that there will be changes to incursions and it's pretty sad.
WoW holds your hand until end game, and gives you a cookie whether you win or lose. EVE not only takes your cookie, but laughs at you for bringing one in the first place... |
Apolyon I
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
7
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Posted - 2012.04.18 01:18:00 -
[173] - Quote
DarthNefarius wrote:Bane Nucleus wrote: Also, wh space hasn't been shaken up because it's pretty damn close to perfect as it is. As the old saying goes "If it isn't broken, don't fix it."
CCP has been violating the don't break what works rule for soooo long I'm surprised you brought that line up. Sorry but ALL ISK faucets combined are a big problem CCP Soundwave has admitted it to & saying WH's ISK faucet which is concentrated in the hands of much fewer then Incursions ( while being nearly the same exact amount ) shouldn't be touched along with the rest of the Sandbox makes me laugh I iterate CCP where's the Wormhole NERFS to Escaltation WHY ARE THEY GETTING OFF SCOT FREE?? BURN EVERYONE EQUALLY WHERE IT COMES TO THE ISK FAUCET 10% NERFS or CCP should remove 10% more from incursion for its risk-free environment to compensate for the risk in wh |
Bane Nucleus
The Kairos Syndicate Transmission Lost
20
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Posted - 2012.04.18 01:32:00 -
[174] - Quote
Apolyon I wrote: or CCP should remove 10% more from incursion for its risk-free environment to compensate for the risk in wh
Exactly. He is comparing wh anoms with incursions like they are on equal ground.
Incursions are like playing tug o' war with a 3 year old.
Escalated wormhole anoms are like stuffing your divesuit full of chopped up fish and jumping into a sea full of sharks, at night. |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
156
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Posted - 2012.04.18 02:41:00 -
[175] - Quote
Bane Nucleus wrote: You keep saying scot free, like they didn't do anything for it.
Nope I mean neither Escalation nor Inferno did 1 thing to affect WH space HI/LO/NULL all are getting major facelifts. Not 1 thing to shake up J-Space... the rest of the sandbox is getting a shake up & CCP is ignoring wormholers To the whiners : CCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally" |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
294
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Posted - 2012.04.18 02:42:00 -
[176] - Quote
worm holes no need nerf swiss cheese is da bomb PLEX FOR PIZZA!
TECH iii MINNING SHIPS! |
Olivia Hume
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
0
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Posted - 2012.04.18 02:50:00 -
[177] - Quote
The isk/h of cap escalation is not that high. I don't have precise numbers, but they might generate 600 mil each, you can usually run 2 per hours and needs 7 accounts (2 carriers, 2 dreads, 2 webbers and a scout - but you usually have more people running them). that's 140mi/h per account with perfect number of players when you can run some..
But cap escalation are limited ressources. You can only escalate anoms in your home system and you usually have between 0 to 5 anoms to run everyday. You can spend days or weeks without anoms to run. Compare that to incursions, farmed 24/7. Cap escalation are not a reliable source of income for a good size corp.
You can reroll your static to find anoms to run in other system, but it's quite difficult to beat the ish/h of high security incursion that way.
Also, escalation are run with carriers and dreads which are difficult to bring or to build in w-space and which you need to commit for 5 minutes cycles. Even if you notice a fleet getting ready to jump on you, you will first need to drop siege and triage and kill the battleship sleepers that scram and neut your fleet. |
Hidden Fremen
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
7
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Posted - 2012.04.18 02:57:00 -
[178] - Quote
Incursions are like shooting sleeping fish in a barrel with a 50 caliber machine gun. Wormhole Sleeper sites are like... not that easy.
There, I have now shamefully indulged DarthNefarius in his abhorrent weepfest. |
Patrick Estemaire
EVE University Ivy League
4
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Posted - 2012.04.18 03:16:00 -
[179] - Quote
DarthNefarius has already gone three days of posting the same argument over and over again. No amount of sensibility and facts are going to convince him. |
Olivia Hume
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
2
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Posted - 2012.04.18 03:16:00 -
[180] - Quote
Jessie-A Tassik wrote: Yet it would be better for everyone inflation wise if both Incursions and Wormhole dropped more raw materials/modules instead of printing ISK.
Incursion doesn't drop any material or module and doesn't bring anything to the industry/market part of EVE. That's the only PVE activity in EVE that doesn't. |
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Apolyon I
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
7
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Posted - 2012.04.18 03:29:00 -
[181] - Quote
Olivia Hume wrote:Jessie-A Tassik wrote: Yet it would be better for everyone inflation wise if both Incursions and Wormhole dropped more raw materials/modules instead of printing ISK.
Incursion doesn't drop any material or module and doesn't bring anything to the industry/market part of EVE. That's the only PVE activity in EVE that doesn't.
those bears will never accept that reasoning, all they inject in the system is raw isk |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
156
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Posted - 2012.04.18 03:59:00 -
[182] - Quote
Olivia Hume wrote:Jessie-A Tassik wrote: Yet it would be better for everyone inflation wise if both Incursions and Wormhole dropped more raw materials/modules instead of printing ISK.
Incursion doesn't drop any material or module and doesn't bring anything to the industry/market part of EVE. That's the only PVE activity in EVE that doesn't.
I pretty much agree with you there. There is Concord LP and the MOM ship BPC's but it is pityfull. I would like to see Random drops & a rework maybe in a new type of incursions ( say a sleeper incursion that drops nano ribbons or a Drone incursion with Moon goo drops instead of alloys)
I've also suggested that Concord LP stores should have 10% implants that cost 2.5 billion ISK and 500k LP so that they become a true ISK sink. To the whiners : CCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally" |
Elyssa MacLeod
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
75
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Posted - 2012.04.18 04:01:00 -
[183] - Quote
Apolyon I wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:Bane Nucleus wrote: Also, wh space hasn't been shaken up because it's pretty damn close to perfect as it is. As the old saying goes "If it isn't broken, don't fix it."
CCP has been violating the don't break what works rule for soooo long I'm surprised you brought that line up. Sorry but ALL ISK faucets combined are a big problem CCP Soundwave has admitted it to & saying WH's ISK faucet which is concentrated in the hands of much fewer then Incursions ( while being nearly the same exact amount ) shouldn't be touched along with the rest of the Sandbox makes me laugh I iterate CCP where's the Wormhole NERFS to Escaltation WHY ARE THEY GETTING OFF SCOT FREE?? BURN EVERYONE EQUALLY WHERE IT COMES TO THE ISK FAUCET 10% NERFS or CCP should remove 10% more from incursion for its risk-free environment to compensate for the risk in wh to counter inflation
and remove tech moons.
GM Homonoia: Suicide ganks are a valid and viable tactic in EVE.
Where is your God now carebear? |
Roime
Shiva Furnace
490
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Posted - 2012.04.18 07:38:00 -
[184] - Quote
Removing tech moons might have undesirable consequences.
One of them could be running out of materials to build modules and ships. I don't like your idea for this reason.
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Kirell
Treasure Hunter Enterprises
13
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Posted - 2012.04.18 08:34:00 -
[185] - Quote
I will confirm something for all of you that aren't aware of how much money you can make in wormholes.
I've been living ina C4 wormhole up until recently (I removed everything as I am leaving the game and sellign this char off ad I've recently sold several other chars) I was going to biomass but friends implored me not to mostly because they didn't want everything to go to waste. So to help them enjoy EVE more I'm giving everything away to them.
Anyways.
Wormholes are as someone in this thread stated, a fountain of isk.
In a C4 static C3 (C247) wormhole I could re-roll wormholes in a matter of minutes. I could then scan out a C3 quickly with a max skilled scanning char, and close/bubble any Wh's in that C3. I could run the sites with little to no risk. making approx 300 mil an hour with 3 characters.
The only risk - new Wh's opening up into the system I am running. EASY TO NEGATE just scan every sig, eliminate them (or write down the codes) keep a probe up in system that covers the entire system. watch for ne WH's while doing sleepers = EASY.
C4's I was making around 400 mil an hour using 3 chars - 1 in a carrier and 2 maelstroms. EASY.
C5's make EVEN MORE isk. But need at least 2 people flying 2 chars each totalling 4 tengu's. If you can escalate the sites then even better. You can make approx 500-700 mil an hour iN C5's.
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Apolyon I
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
8
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Posted - 2012.04.18 09:19:00 -
[186] - Quote
Kirell wrote:I will confirm something for all of you that aren't aware of how much money you can make in wormholes.
I've been living ina C4 wormhole up until recently (I removed everything as I am leaving the game and sellign this char off ad I've recently sold several other chars) I was going to biomass but friends implored me not to mostly because they didn't want everything to go to waste. So to help them enjoy EVE more I'm giving everything away to them.
Anyways.
Wormholes are as someone in this thread stated, a fountain of isk.
In a C4 static C3 (C247) wormhole I could re-roll wormholes in a matter of minutes. I could then scan out a C3 quickly with a max skilled scanning char, and close/bubble any Wh's in that C3. I could run the sites with little to no risk. making approx 300 mil an hour with 3 characters.
The only risk - new Wh's opening up into the system I am running. EASY TO NEGATE just scan every sig, eliminate them (or write down the codes) keep a probe up in system that covers the entire system. watch for ne WH's while doing sleepers = EASY.
C4's I was making around 400 mil an hour using 3 chars - 1 in a carrier and 2 maelstroms. EASY.
C5's make EVEN MORE isk. But need at least 2 people flying 2 chars each totalling 4 tengu's. If you can escalate the sites then even better. You can make approx 500-700 mil an hour iN C5's.
in anything lower than C5, half of your income come from nano or more, above C5, gl farming in peace |
Comy 1
Ore Mongers BricK sQuAD.
115
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Posted - 2012.04.18 09:21:00 -
[187] - Quote
Kirell wrote:I will confirm something for all of you that aren't aware of how much money you can make in wormholes.
I've been living ina C4 wormhole up until recently (I removed everything as I am leaving the game and sellign this char off ad I've recently sold several other chars) I was going to biomass but friends implored me not to mostly because they didn't want everything to go to waste. So to help them enjoy EVE more I'm giving everything away to them.
Anyways.
Wormholes are as someone in this thread stated, a fountain of isk.
In a C4 static C3 (C247) wormhole I could re-roll wormholes in a matter of minutes. I could then scan out a C3 quickly with a max skilled scanning char, and close/bubble any Wh's in that C3. I could run the sites with little to no risk. making approx 300 mil an hour with 3 characters.
The only risk - new Wh's opening up into the system I am running. EASY TO NEGATE just scan every sig, eliminate them (or write down the codes) keep a probe up in system that covers the entire system. watch for ne WH's while doing sleepers = EASY.
C4's I was making around 400 mil an hour using 3 chars - 1 in a carrier and 2 maelstroms. EASY.
C5's make EVEN MORE isk. But need at least 2 people flying 2 chars each totalling 4 tengu's. If you can escalate the sites then even better. You can make approx 500-700 mil an hour iN C5's.
Keep in mind you have to calculate isk/h per character. If you would run 3 characters in an incursion fleet you would would probably land at about 300-350mil/h. And that in high sec that lacks all the dangers of wormholes. Instant payout rather than loot you need to find a k-space entrance to sell, and no POS to fuel and maintain.
And lastly, even if you might collapse a WH quick, you will still have much more downtime while doing wormhole work than incursions. |
seany1212
eXceed Inc. No Holes Barred
136
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Posted - 2012.04.18 11:13:00 -
[188] - Quote
DarthNefarius wrote:
I read and respond only to what I agree with and discard the other 8-9 pages of logical discussion
Yup |
Shpenat
Pafos Technologies
8
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Posted - 2012.04.18 13:42:00 -
[189] - Quote
I still don't understand why people consider nerfing WH and WH ISK faucet the same thing.
Nerf WH? No. Nerf WH ISK faucet? Hell yes.
In incursion the ISKs are coming directly from NPCs. SO reducing this income can be done only by reducing the amount given.
In WH the ISKs are coming from NPC buy orders. the best way how to deal with it is to replace NPC orders with player orders. The only problem is to make players want to buy those items. Probably best way to do it is to tie it to T3 BPC production |
FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
1319
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Posted - 2012.04.18 14:09:00 -
[190] - Quote
Shpenat wrote:I still don't understand why people consider nerfing WH and WH ISK faucet the same thing.
Nerf WH? No. Nerf WH ISK faucet? Hell yes.
In incursion the ISKs are coming directly from NPCs. SO reducing this income can be done only by reducing the amount given.
In WH the ISKs are coming from NPC buy orders. the best way how to deal with it is to replace NPC orders with player orders. The only problem is to make players want to buy those items. Probably best way to do it is to tie it to T3 BPC production
Except there are already items tied to T3 BPCs, and those aren't exactly selling like hotcakes.
There's nothing wrong with blue loot. Current inflationary trends mean it is worth even less now than it was before prices got stupidly high. If the upcoming bounty nerfs check the inflation and prove to actually be doing something, then maybe we should look at bringing blue loot in line with the rest of it. It's time to put an end to CCP's war on piracy. Fight your own battles and stop asking CCP to do it for you. |
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Roime
Shiva Furnace
492
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Posted - 2012.04.18 14:12:00 -
[191] - Quote
You can lose all your precious blue loot before having a chance to sell it.
All bounties should be collected like this- delivering a tag/item to an NPC entity as a proof of kill. |
Hakaru Ishiwara
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
109
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Posted - 2012.04.18 14:23:00 -
[192] - Quote
Roime wrote:You can lose all your precious blue loot before having a chance to sell it.
All bounties should be collected like this- delivering a tag/item to an NPC entity as a proof of kill. This is the best damn idea that I have read on the EVE-O forums. Ever. Talk about an anti-botting measure...
Also consider including upgrades to player-built outposts that will enable tag redemption ensuring that deep null-sec doesn't get the shaft. If Concord can charge billions in Sov bills for deep null-sec installations (the game design behind this is total ****, IMHO), then they can damn well disburse those funds to null-sec pirate hunters. 284 Characters 284 Characters 284 Characters 284 Characters 284 Characters 284 Characters 284 Characters 284 Characters 284 Characters 284 Characters 284 Characters 284 Characters 284 Characters 284 Characters 284 Characters 284 Characters 284 Characters 284 Characters 284286 |
Bane Nucleus
The Kairos Syndicate Transmission Lost
21
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Posted - 2012.04.18 19:47:00 -
[193] - Quote
Kirell wrote:I will confirm something for all of you that aren't aware of how much money you can make in wormholes.
I've been living ina C4 wormhole up until recently (I removed everything as I am leaving the game and sellign this char off ad I've recently sold several other chars) I was going to biomass but friends implored me not to mostly because they didn't want everything to go to waste. So to help them enjoy EVE more I'm giving everything away to them.
Anyways.
Wormholes are as someone in this thread stated, a fountain of isk.
In a C4 static C3 (C247) wormhole I could re-roll wormholes in a matter of minutes. I could then scan out a C3 quickly with a max skilled scanning char, and close/bubble any Wh's in that C3. I could run the sites with little to no risk. making approx 300 mil an hour with 3 characters.
The only risk - new Wh's opening up into the system I am running. EASY TO NEGATE just scan every sig, eliminate them (or write down the codes) keep a probe up in system that covers the entire system. watch for ne WH's while doing sleepers = EASY.
C4's I was making around 400 mil an hour using 3 chars - 1 in a carrier and 2 maelstroms. EASY.
C5's make EVEN MORE isk. But need at least 2 people flying 2 chars each totalling 4 tengu's. If you can escalate the sites then even better. You can make approx 500-700 mil an hour iN C5's.
And even with all these precautions, you will still get ganked at some point. Just the nature of the beast. We caught 3 tengus who did this same exact thing. Incoming wh's were bubbled and had mass put through them. It didn't save them.
The point being is that incursions dont have any of these risks. You shouldn't be making as much as wormhole space.
Lastly, Earl Gray tea is the best |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
630
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Posted - 2012.04.18 20:05:00 -
[194] - Quote
Bane Nucleus wrote:Kirell wrote:I will confirm something for all of you that aren't aware of how much money you can make in wormholes.
I've been living ina C4 wormhole up until recently (I removed everything as I am leaving the game and sellign this char off ad I've recently sold several other chars) I was going to biomass but friends implored me not to mostly because they didn't want everything to go to waste. So to help them enjoy EVE more I'm giving everything away to them.
Anyways.
Wormholes are as someone in this thread stated, a fountain of isk.
In a C4 static C3 (C247) wormhole I could re-roll wormholes in a matter of minutes. I could then scan out a C3 quickly with a max skilled scanning char, and close/bubble any Wh's in that C3. I could run the sites with little to no risk. making approx 300 mil an hour with 3 characters.
The only risk - new Wh's opening up into the system I am running. EASY TO NEGATE just scan every sig, eliminate them (or write down the codes) keep a probe up in system that covers the entire system. watch for ne WH's while doing sleepers = EASY.
C4's I was making around 400 mil an hour using 3 chars - 1 in a carrier and 2 maelstroms. EASY.
C5's make EVEN MORE isk. But need at least 2 people flying 2 chars each totalling 4 tengu's. If you can escalate the sites then even better. You can make approx 500-700 mil an hour iN C5's.
And even with all these precautions, you will still get ganked at some point. Just the nature of the beast. We caught 3 tengus who did this same exact thing. Incoming wh's were bubbled and had mass put through them. It didn't save them. The point being is that incursions dont have any of these risks. You shouldn't be making as much as wormhole space. Lastly, Earl Gray tea is the best Tea. Earl Gray. Hot.
--Will Support Your Terrible Forum Thread For ISK-- |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
160
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Posted - 2012.04.18 20:05:00 -
[195] - Quote
seany1212 wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:
I read and respond only to what I agree with and discard the other 8-9 pages of logical discussion
Yup WH's blue should be nerfed into non existance because its a ISK faucet
Yup, except I really think it shouldn't be totally nerfed TBH just 10% nerfed like Incursion payout & Bounties Are there any other ISK fountains that are going untouched? To the whiners : CCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally" |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1540
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Posted - 2012.04.18 20:09:00 -
[196] - Quote
Lanasak wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:Blue loot is a ISK FOUNTAIN that injects as much ISK into the EVE economy as incursions do on a monthly basis 1) there's a lot more people cashing out blue loot than there are incursion runners 2) there is infinitely more risk in wormholes than in welfare incursions Sorry...read that wrong. But I think point 1 is wrong. I think there are far more people doing Incursions than WH dwellers that are actively doing sites on a daily basis. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
seany1212
eXceed Inc. No Holes Barred
137
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Posted - 2012.04.18 20:11:00 -
[197] - Quote
DarthNefarius wrote:seany1212 wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:
I read and respond only to what I agree with and discard the other 8-9 pages of logical discussion
Yup Yup, except I really think it shouldn't be totally nerfed TBH just 10% nerfed like Incursion payout & Bounties Are there any other ISK fountains that are going untouched?
Exactly the point of your thread: "WAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH INCURSIONS ARE GETTING NUFFED, NUFF EVERYTHING ELSE NAO!!!" |
Lyrrashae
Crushed Ambitions Reckless Ambition
280
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Posted - 2012.04.18 20:35:00 -
[198] - Quote
seany1212 wrote:
Exactly the point of your thread: "WAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH INCURSIONS ARE GETTING NUFFED, NUFF EVERYTHING ELSE NAO!!!"
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Mods, please lock for lack of OP content and OP trolling naow, kthxbai.
The invention of ice-hockey is proof that Canada deserves to rule the world. Eh.
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Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
0
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Posted - 2012.04.18 20:47:00 -
[199] - Quote
Make incursion sites nerfed, but in this way:
Get rid of sites respawning all the time. Make invasion last one day, from downtime to downtime, then sanshas will withdraw "with slaves in their cargo". At least it have to be "hit and run" tactic. |
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
481
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Posted - 2012.04.18 21:24:00 -
[200] - Quote
[quote=Bane Nucleus][quote=Kirell]I will confirm something for all of you that aren't aware of how much money you can make in wormholes
I've been living ina C4 wormhole up until recently (I removed everything as I am leaving the game and sellign this char off ad I've recently sold several other chars) I was going to biomass but friends implored me not to mostly because they didn't want everything to go to waste. So to help them enjoy EVE more I'm giving everything away to them
Anyways
Wormholes are as someone in this thread stated, a fountain of isk
In a C4 static C3 (C247) wormhole I could re-roll wormholes in a matter of minutes. I could then scan out a C3 quickly with a max skilled scanning char, and close/bubble any Wh's in that C3. I could run the sites with little to no risk. making approx 300 mil an hour with 3 characters
The only risk - new Wh's opening up into the system I am running. EASY TO NEGATE just scan every sig, eliminate them (or write down the codes) keep a probe up in system that covers the entire system. watch for ne WH's while doing sleepers = EASY
C4's I was making around 400 mil an hour using 3 chars - 1 in a carrier and 2 maelstroms. EASY.
C5's make EVEN MORE isk. But need at least 2 people flying 2 chars each totalling 4 tengu's. If you can escalate the sites then even better. You can make approx 500-700 mil an hour iN C5's
[/quote
And even with all these precautions, you will still get ganked at some point. Just the nature of the beast. We caught 3 tengus who did this same exact thing. Incoming wh's were bubbled and had mass put through them. It didn't save them
The point being is that incursions dont have any of these risks. You shouldn't be making as much as wormhole space
Lastly, Earl Gray tea is the best[/quote
Wspace = safest space. We now return you to your regularly scheduled **** poast. |
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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
160
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Posted - 2012.04.18 22:20:00 -
[201] - Quote
seany1212 wrote:
Exactly the point of your thread: "WAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH INCURSIONS ARE GETTING NUFFED, NUFF EVERYTHING ELSE NAO!!!"
Nope actually my point is every single ISK fountain EXCEPT wormholes has had the announcement of a nerf . Since WH's are a part of the sandbox they should too participate in the 10% cut to counter inflation along with Incursions and bounties. They spout just as much ISK into Eve & are far less numbers then bounties ( and 1/2 the number of Incursion runners ) To the whiners : CCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally" |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
630
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Posted - 2012.04.18 22:47:00 -
[202] - Quote
DarthNefarius wrote:seany1212 wrote:
Exactly the point of your thread: "WAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH INCURSIONS ARE GETTING NUFFED, NUFF EVERYTHING ELSE NAO!!!"
Nope actually my point is every single ISK fountain EXCEPT wormholes has had the announcement of a nerf . Since WH's are a part of the sandbox they should too participate in the 10% cut to counter inflation along with Incursions and bounties. They spout just as much ISK into Eve & are far less numbers then bounties ( and 1/2 the number of Incursion runners ) Can you link these stats on the number of people running whs? Or are you just making them up?
--Will Support Your Terrible Forum Thread For ISK-- |
Apolyon I
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
8
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Posted - 2012.04.18 23:27:00 -
[203] - Quote
Simi Kusoni wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:seany1212 wrote:
Exactly the point of your thread: "WAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH INCURSIONS ARE GETTING NUFFED, NUFF EVERYTHING ELSE NAO!!!"
Nope actually my point is every single ISK fountain EXCEPT wormholes has had the announcement of a nerf . Since WH's are a part of the sandbox they should too participate in the 10% cut to counter inflation along with Incursions and bounties. They spout just as much ISK into Eve & are far less numbers then bounties ( and 1/2 the number of Incursion runners ) Can you link these stats on the number of people running whs? Or are you just making them up?
I too like to have real number |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
160
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Posted - 2012.04.18 23:45:00 -
[204] - Quote
Simi Kusoni wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:seany1212 wrote:
Exactly the point of your thread: "WAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH INCURSIONS ARE GETTING NUFFED, NUFF EVERYTHING ELSE NAO!!!"
Nope actually my point is every single ISK fountain EXCEPT wormholes has had the announcement of a nerf . Since WH's are a part of the sandbox they should too participate in the 10% cut to counter inflation along with Incursions and bounties. They spout just as much ISK into Eve & are far less numbers then bounties ( and 1/2 the number of Incursion runners ) Can you link these stats on the number of people running whs? Or are you just making them up?
http://d35dgn2pdc8wsn.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/04.jpg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MZD6-vGQms To the whiners : CCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally" |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
631
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Posted - 2012.04.18 23:47:00 -
[205] - Quote
DarthNefarius wrote:Simi Kusoni wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:seany1212 wrote:
Exactly the point of your thread: "WAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH INCURSIONS ARE GETTING NUFFED, NUFF EVERYTHING ELSE NAO!!!"
Nope actually my point is every single ISK fountain EXCEPT wormholes has had the announcement of a nerf . Since WH's are a part of the sandbox they should too participate in the 10% cut to counter inflation along with Incursions and bounties. They spout just as much ISK into Eve & are far less numbers then bounties ( and 1/2 the number of Incursion runners ) Can you link these stats on the number of people running whs? Or are you just making them up? http://d35dgn2pdc8wsn.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/04.jpghttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MZD6-vGQms That is the number of people who LIVE in wormholes.
--Will Support Your Terrible Forum Thread For ISK-- |
Apolyon I
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
8
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Posted - 2012.04.19 00:57:00 -
[206] - Quote
where is incursion runner number??? |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
632
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Posted - 2012.04.19 01:04:00 -
[207] - Quote
Lol so his data shows the percentage of characters situated in whs, rather the number of players who run wh sites. And it also fails to display the percentage of characters that run incursions, rendering the entire dataset useless for making such a comparison.
Bravo Darth, bravo.
--Will Support Your Terrible Forum Thread For ISK-- |
Moneta Curran
Lunar Industries Ltd
4
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Posted - 2012.04.19 01:15:00 -
[208] - Quote
If this isn't a troll, you would appear to be massively stupid. |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
160
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Posted - 2012.04.19 01:59:00 -
[209] - Quote
Simi Kusoni wrote:Lol so his data shows the percentage of characters situated in whs, rather the number of players who run wh sites. And it also fails to display the percentage of characters that run incursions, rendering the entire dataset useless for making such a comparison.
Bravo Darth, bravo.
And once again I reiterate:
http://d35dgn2pdc8wsn.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/04.jpg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MZD6-vGQms
http://twostep4csm.blogspot.com/2012/03/its-econmony-stupid.html
http://d35dgn2pdc8wsn.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/06.jpg
Listen to Dr E you obviously haven't... he states in the wringing of a graphe the percentage of Eve doing Eve he also states the number of peeps living in WH's the number of people living in whiteholes are less then the number of people doing sites. If you cannot connect the dots & do the math I suggest remedial algebra. So where are your numbers comming from ( oh wait there are no numbers so yours are straight outta your bum ) It would be nice i there was a published number of peeps doing WH sites but the numbers he provides just shows the people doing Incursion sites ( HI/LO/NULL ) vs the number living in WH space. To the whiners : CCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally" |
Nariya Kentaya
Tartarus Ventures Surely You're Joking
176
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Posted - 2012.04.19 02:15:00 -
[210] - Quote
DarthNefarius wrote:Simi Kusoni wrote:Lol so his data shows the percentage of characters situated in whs, rather the number of players who run wh sites. And it also fails to display the percentage of characters that run incursions, rendering the entire dataset useless for making such a comparison.
Bravo Darth, bravo. And once again I reiterate: http://d35dgn2pdc8wsn.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/04.jpghttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MZD6-vGQmshttp://twostep4csm.blogspot.com/2012/03/its-econmony-stupid.htmlhttp://d35dgn2pdc8wsn.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/06.jpgListen to Dr E you obviously haven't... he states in the writing of a graph the percentage of Eve doing incursion he also states the number of peeps living in WH's ( ergo the the number of people doing sites is less unless 100% of them are) . If you cannot connect the dots & do the math I suggest remedial algebra. So where are your numbers comming from ( oh wait there are no numbers so yours are straight outta your bum ) It would be nice if there was a published number of peeps doing WH sites but the numbers he provides just shows the people doing Incursion sites ( HI/LO/NULL ) vs the number living in WH space. I'd really be interested in seeing the ISK equivent of Moon goo & nano ribbons that are produced each month to see how much wealth faucets create for NULL & W-Space Yes, nerf WH income and see YET ANOTHER entire region fo the game become uninhabited, lets nerf everything untilt he only way to get isk is to join russians or gons.
you sir are a moron, you sir don't know the WORK it takes to organize, prepare, and run those sites, adn the subsequent need to transport the prizes, we can soemtimes be stuck in WH's for over a month with no k-space besides deep nulls... theres also the whole fact that if we DIE we can't get back, meaning 1 screw up and their goes your income for the next few weeks.
Wormholes are BALANCED because while inside them you ahve effectively cut yourself off from al the rest fo eve, rendering supply lines non-existent, and hostiles abundant, in many cases.
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Spc One
The Chodak Void Alliance
24
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Posted - 2012.04.19 02:18:00 -
[211] - Quote
Lanasak wrote:death to incursions And death to worm holes.
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Apolyon I
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
8
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Posted - 2012.04.19 02:31:00 -
[212] - Quote
DarthNefarius wrote:Simi Kusoni wrote:Lol so his data shows the percentage of characters situated in whs, rather the number of players who run wh sites. And it also fails to display the percentage of characters that run incursions, rendering the entire dataset useless for making such a comparison.
Bravo Darth, bravo. And once again I reiterate: http://d35dgn2pdc8wsn.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/04.jpghttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MZD6-vGQmshttp://twostep4csm.blogspot.com/2012/03/its-econmony-stupid.htmlhttp://d35dgn2pdc8wsn.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/06.jpgListen to Dr E you obviously haven't... he states in the writing of a graph the percentage of Eve doing incursion he also states the number of peeps living in WH's ( ergo the the number of people doing sites is less unless 100% of them are) . If you cannot connect the dots & do the math I suggest remedial algebra. So where are your numbers comming from ( oh wait there are no numbers so yours are straight outta your bum ) It would be nice if there was a published number of peeps doing WH sites but the numbers he provides just shows the people doing Incursion sites ( HI/LO/NULL ) vs the number living in WH space. I'd really be interested in seeing the ISK equivent of Moon goo & nano ribbons that are produced each month to see how much wealth faucets create for NULL & W-Space
nanoribbons and moongoo both are material faucets, you bear certainly dont have brain |
Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
341
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Posted - 2012.04.19 02:36:00 -
[213] - Quote
DarthNefarius wrote:whining... Wormholes aren't getting nerfed, because the rewards are in line with the risks...
Deal with it.
Or cry more, your actually pretty entertaining in a "special" kind of way...
Wormholes: The *NEW* end game of Eve - Online: No Local. No Lag. No Blues (No Intell Channesl). No Blobs.
NEW FEATURE: NO INCARNA! |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
672
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Posted - 2012.04.19 02:38:00 -
[214] - Quote
DarthNefarius wrote: I'd really be interested in seeing the ISK equivent of Moon goo & nano ribbons that are produced each month to see how much wealth faucets create for NULL & W-Space
lol oh lord |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
160
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Posted - 2012.04.19 02:44:00 -
[215] - Quote
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:DarthNefarius wrote: I'd really be interested in seeing the ISK equivent of Moon goo & nano ribbons that are produced each month to see how much wealth faucets create for NULL & W-Space
lol oh lord
I know the ISK equivalent of these materials produced monthly must be STAGGERING! Pretty much every T2 module needs techtanium ( which is HUGE ) and every T3 ship needs nano ribbons ( pretty large ) To the whiners : CCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally" |
Apolyon I
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
8
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Posted - 2012.04.19 02:54:00 -
[216] - Quote
DarthNefarius wrote:Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:DarthNefarius wrote: I'd really be interested in seeing the ISK equivent of Moon goo & nano ribbons that are produced each month to see how much wealth faucets create for NULL & W-Space
lol oh lord I know... my lord the ISK equivalent of these materials produced monthly must be STAGGERING! Pretty much every T2 module needs techtanium ( which is HUGE ) and every T3 ship needs nano ribbons ( pretty large )
you jelly??
how about the huge pile of LP that incursion runners get?? |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
160
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Posted - 2012.04.19 04:23:00 -
[217] - Quote
I'm still asking CCP: In the sanbox o Eve: What is Escalating in J-space (according to the features webpage & DEV blogs absolutely nuthin' ) & how are the peeps in Wormholes going to be swept up into the Inferno a month later? Only thing I hear WH'ers participating in Inferno is thowing gas onto the inflation fire with blue loot while bounties elsewhere get a 10% nerf. To the whiners : CCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally" |
Bane Nucleus
The Kairos Syndicate Transmission Lost
21
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Posted - 2012.04.19 04:34:00 -
[218] - Quote
DarthNefarius wrote:I'm still asking CCP: In the sanbox o Eve: What is Escalating in J-space (according to the features webpage & DEV blogs absolutely nuthin' ) & how are the peeps in Wormholes going to be swept up into the Inferno a month later? Only thing I hear WH'ers participating in Inferno is thowing gas onto the inflation fire with blue loot while bounties elsewhere get a 10% nerf.
You are either the most dense person in game, or you are trolling. |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
635
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Posted - 2012.04.19 09:42:00 -
[219] - Quote
DarthNefarius wrote:Listen to Dr E you obviously haven't... he states in the writing of a graph the percentage of Eve doing incursion he also states the number of peeps living in WH's ( ergo the the number of people doing sites is less unless 100% of them are). This is kind of the point, you've clearly never run wormholes, yet have chosen to comment on them. The number of people running wormhole sites is not <= the number of people living in them.
People scan down sites in high sec, jump in and run c1/c2 wormholes in their drakes or overpriced tengus. Similarly, people scan down C3s in low sec and do the same, a lot of major null sec alliances scan down c5/c6 whs and have entire capital ops where they jump in and clear capital escalation sites. In fact recently I think -A- took over a few WH systems for this very purpose.
None of these people live in wormholes, they live in high sec, low sec and null sec, yet they likely contribute just as much to the total amount of blue loot farmed as any WH dweller. And this is why your stats are completely useless, because the number of people living in wormholes, which is hard to calculate accurately anyway, is not even remotely related to the number of people raiding wormholes for PvE content.
DarthNefarius wrote:If you cannot connect the dots & do the math I suggest remedial algebra. So where are your numbers comming from ( oh wait there are no numbers so yours are straight outta your bum ) It would be nice if there was a published number of peeps doing WH sites but the numbers he provides just shows the people doing Incursion sites ( HI/LO/NULL ) vs the number living in WH space. If you're talking about the graph showing the number of incursions runners that is fairly useless for your purposes for the reason stated above. But, assuming it was useful, that looks like ~17,000 people running incursions, right?
How many active subscribers does Eve online have? >400,000 as of last month? And 5.4% of them are in wormholes?
400,000 x 0.054 = 21,600
So there are 4,000 more people "living" in wormholes, than there are running incursions? Oh wow, and people raid WHs on top of that?
Now GTFO Darth and never try and use statistics to support your terrible ideas again.
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Samillian
Moonshine Industries The Last Chancers.
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Posted - 2012.04.19 10:34:00 -
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You go on a lot about Incursions being nerfed and wormholes being left alone. You also wheel out a lot of dodgy statistics to try and prove your point but I don't see you doing a comparison of the relative risks and logistical difficulties between HiSec Incursions and wormhole dwelling.
I don't think you will ever do such a comparison, partly because it is obvious that you have never lived for any time in wormhole space but mainly I suspect because it would blow your argument out of the water.
Everyone gets nerfed sooner or later, live with it. |
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Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
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Posted - 2012.04.19 14:36:00 -
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Simi Kusoni wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:Listen to Dr E you obviously haven't... he states in the writing of a graph the percentage of Eve doing incursion he also states the number of peeps living in WH's ( ergo the the number of people doing sites is less unless 100% of them are). This is kind of the point, you've clearly never run wormholes, yet have chosen to comment on them. The number of people running wormhole sites is not <= the number of people living in them. People scan down sites in high sec, jump in and run c1/c2 wormholes in their drakes or overpriced tengus. Similarly, people scan down C3s in low sec and do the same, a lot of major null sec alliances scan down c5/c6 whs and have entire capital ops where they jump in and clear capital escalation sites. In fact recently I think -A- took over a few WH systems for this very purpose. None of these people live in wormholes, they live in high sec, low sec and null sec, yet they likely contribute just as much to the total amount of blue loot farmed as any WH dweller. And this is why your stats are completely useless, because the number of people living in wormholes, which is hard to calculate accurately anyway, is not even remotely related to the number of people raiding wormholes for PvE content. DarthNefarius wrote:If you cannot connect the dots & do the math I suggest remedial algebra. So where are your numbers comming from ( oh wait there are no numbers so yours are straight outta your bum ) It would be nice if there was a published number of peeps doing WH sites but the numbers he provides just shows the people doing Incursion sites ( HI/LO/NULL ) vs the number living in WH space. If you're talking about the graph showing the number of incursions runners that is fairly useless for your purposes for the reason stated above. But, assuming it was useful, that looks like ~17,000 people running incursions, right? How many active subscribers does Eve online have? >400,000 as of last month? And 5.4% of them are in wormholes? 400,000 x 0.054 = 21,600 So there are 4,000 more people "living" in wormholes, than there are running incursions? Oh wow, and people raid WHs on top of that? Now GTFO Darth and never try and use statistics to support your terrible ideas again. I wish there were a +10,000 for a post.
Darth, WH's don't need an "escalation" because we are as escalated as it gets (w/o Sov war). If you can't get it through your head, I suggest you stop using a ball-peen hammer to install your implants...
Wormholes: The *NEW* end game of Eve - Online: No Local. No Lag. No Blues (No Intell Channesl). No Blobs.
NEW FEATURE: NO INCARNA! |
Joe Skellington
13th Tribe of Kobol Expeditionary
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OP is too dense and hard to read, or is it just me? -á-á |\__/|-á -á/ @ @ \ -á-á -á( > -¦ < )-á -á`-+-+x-½-½-¦ -á-á / O \ |
KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
624
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I now support buffing WH's by 10%. http://blog.beyondreality.se/Incursion-hose Remove all incursions from hisec |
IGNATIUS HOOD
Zephyr Corp Black Thorne Alliance
307
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Posted - 2012.04.19 15:54:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:Incursions getting nerfed & drone alloys getting nerfed why are the blue loot NPC buy orders not getting nerfed to to help with the inflation?!?! The Pax Amarrian nerf was a good precendent of a NPC sell order which was balanced next the sleeper blue loot NPC buy order should be cut in the name of balance. A possible bounty 10% cut is being thrown around too by CCP Soundwave. Only one currenntly smelling like a rose is the Wormhole residents with the Escalation to Inferno. Lets have the current inflation mean the end fo Empire NPC's no longer being able to affford to buy sleeper crap (NPC buy orders) which is non ribbons (blue loot) which acually adds something to Eve & empire ( at least with Incursions Capsuleers are providing a service to Empire residents what has blueloot added to Empire's security? ) . LETS HAVE EVERYONE FEEL THE PAIN OF ESCALATING INFERNO[:!: A pox on EVERYONE'S house
W-Space is perfectly fine and working as intended. Its dangerous being there. Nothing is free, nothing is easy, nothing is safe, nothing is guaranteed. Venture there sometime you'll quickly see what I mean. 'perfer et obdura; dolor hic tibi proderit olim'
Be patient and tough; some day this pain will be useful to you.
~I fly spaceships~ |
Bane Necran
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Posted - 2012.04.19 17:33:00 -
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WHs are more dangerous and lack many conveniences 0.0 has. If you're looking for something to nerf, check out 0.0.
But nullbears are CCPs sacred cow. They'll never do anything to upset them. |
Bane Nucleus
The Kairos Syndicate Transmission Lost
23
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Simi Kusoni wrote:Bane Nucleus wrote:Kirell wrote:I will confirm something for all of you that aren't aware of how much money you can make in wormholes.
I've been living ina C4 wormhole up until recently (I removed everything as I am leaving the game and sellign this char off ad I've recently sold several other chars) I was going to biomass but friends implored me not to mostly because they didn't want everything to go to waste. So to help them enjoy EVE more I'm giving everything away to them.
Anyways.
Wormholes are as someone in this thread stated, a fountain of isk.
In a C4 static C3 (C247) wormhole I could re-roll wormholes in a matter of minutes. I could then scan out a C3 quickly with a max skilled scanning char, and close/bubble any Wh's in that C3. I could run the sites with little to no risk. making approx 300 mil an hour with 3 characters.
The only risk - new Wh's opening up into the system I am running. EASY TO NEGATE just scan every sig, eliminate them (or write down the codes) keep a probe up in system that covers the entire system. watch for ne WH's while doing sleepers = EASY.
C4's I was making around 400 mil an hour using 3 chars - 1 in a carrier and 2 maelstroms. EASY.
C5's make EVEN MORE isk. But need at least 2 people flying 2 chars each totalling 4 tengu's. If you can escalate the sites then even better. You can make approx 500-700 mil an hour iN C5's.
And even with all these precautions, you will still get ganked at some point. Just the nature of the beast. We caught 3 tengus who did this same exact thing. Incoming wh's were bubbled and had mass put through them. It didn't save them. The point being is that incursions dont have any of these risks. You shouldn't be making as much as wormhole space. Lastly, Earl Gray tea is the best Tea. Earl Gray. Hot.
Well played. You may now proceed with the Picard maneuver |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
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Bane Nucleus wrote:Simi Kusoni wrote:Tea. Earl Gray. Hot. Well played. You may now proceed with the Picard maneuver Fairly certain I just performed the Picard Maneuver on Darth's terrible statistics.
No known defense mother ******.
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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
160
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Posted - 2012.04.20 07:10:00 -
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Simi Kusoni wrote:[quote=Bane Nucleus][quote=Simi Kusoni]Tea. Earl Gray. Hot.[/quote Well played. You may now proceed with the Picard maneuver[/quote Fairly certain I just performed the Picard Maneuver on Darth's terrible statistics No known defense mother ******.
lol I took 1 day off o Forums & Simi tries her hand in math & statistics [:roll: Bravo your 1 attempt at math was waaaaaaaaaay off. I'll let you stare at the numbers & come up with why ( hint stare at QEN's 2010 :) I did a little stat mining from some tweet & found some interesting numbers on wormhole jumps you should check it out... https://twitter.com/#!/CCP_Diagora but more to my point about the ISK faucet of WH's here's a few CCP stats from CCP_Diagoras "Sell-to-NPCs items from wormholes generated 346bn ISK yesterday. 10.43tn ISK in Feb 2012 total. 5:01 AM - 8 Mar 12 via web"
-+ Embed this Tweet "Sunday 19th Feb; 886bn spent on minerals, 619bn on battleships, 374bn sleeper components, 359bn composite materials, 339bn ice products. and a comparison versus Incursions faucet "Average payout for Incursion participants on the 1st of Feb was 169.5m ISK. 301.8bn payout total, 1,781 participants"
To be fair though I'll give you Feb 1st was a wednesday & both Feb 19th & March 11th were days on the weekend
I'm trying to extract actual sites being run from the NPC kills stats reported from CCP_Diagoras in his tweets but thats difficult... the numbers of Incursion runners is a easier stat from the way Incursion payout mechanism is set up If CCP_Diagoras threw out a stat of the numbers of ribbons were salvaged on a given day & were used or sold over a month that stat would be golden To the whiners : CCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally" |
Apolyon I
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
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Posted - 2012.04.20 07:15:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:Simi Kusoni wrote:[quote=Bane Nucleus][quote=Simi Kusoni]Tea. Earl Gray. Hot.[/quote Well played. You may now proceed with the Picard maneuver[/quote Fairly certain I just performed the Picard Maneuver on Darth's terrible statistics No known defense mother ******. lol I took 1 day off o Forums & Simi tries her hand in math & statistics [:roll: Bravo your 1 attempt at math was waaaaaaaaaay off. I'll let you stare at the numbers & come up with why ( hint stare at QEN's 2010 :) I did a little stat mining from some tweet & found some interesting numbers on wormhole jumps you should check it out... https://twitter.com/#!/CCP_Diagora but more to my point about the ISK faucet of WH's here's a few CCP stats from CCP_Diagoras "Sell-to-NPCs items from wormholes generated 346bn ISK yesterday. 10.43tn ISK in Feb 2012 total. 5:01 AM - 8 Mar 12 via web" -+ Embed this Tweet "Sunday 19th Feb; 886bn spent on minerals, 619bn on battleships, 374bn sleeper components, 359bn composite materials, 339bn ice products. and a comparison versus Incursions faucet "Average payout for Incursion participants on the 1st of Feb was 169.5m ISK. 301.8bn payout total, 1,781 participants" To be fair though I'll give you Feb 1st was a wednesday & both Feb 19th & March 11th were days on the weekend I'm trying to extract actual sites being run from the NPC kills stats reported from CCP_Diagoras in his tweets but thats difficult... the numbers of Incursion runners is a easier stat from the way Incursion payout mechanism is set up If CCP_Diagoras threw out a stat of the numbers of ribbons were salvaged on a given day & were used or sold over a month that stat would be golden
gj making it unreadable, what a way to argue |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
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Posted - 2012.04.20 08:53:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:Simi Kusoni wrote:[quote=Bane Nucleus][quote=Simi Kusoni]Tea. Earl Gray. Hot.[/quote Well played. You may now proceed with the Picard maneuver[/quote Fairly certain I just performed the Picard Maneuver on Darth's terrible statistics No known defense mother ******. lol I took 1 day off o Forums & Simi tries her hand in math & statistics [:roll: Bravo your 1 attempt at math was waaaaaaaaaay off. I'll let you stare at the numbers & come up with why ( hint stare at QEN's 2010 :) I did a little stat mining from some tweet & found some interesting numbers on wormhole jumps you should check it out... https://twitter.com/#!/CCP_Diagora but more to my point about the ISK faucet of WH's here's a few CCP stats from CCP_Diagoras "Sell-to-NPCs items from wormholes generated 346bn ISK yesterday. 10.43tn ISK in Feb 2012 total. 5:01 AM - 8 Mar 12 via web" -+ Embed this Tweet "Sunday 19th Feb; 886bn spent on minerals, 619bn on battleships, 374bn sleeper components, 359bn composite materials, 339bn ice products. and a comparison versus Incursions faucet "Average payout for Incursion participants on the 1st of Feb was 169.5m ISK. 301.8bn payout total, 1,781 participants" To be fair though I'll give you Feb 1st was a wednesday & both Feb 19th & March 11th were days on the weekend I'm trying to extract actual sites being run from the NPC kills stats reported from CCP_Diagoras in his tweets but thats difficult... the numbers of Incursion runners is a easier stat from the way Incursion payout mechanism is set up If CCP_Diagoras threw out a stat of the numbers of ribbons were salvaged on a given day & were used or sold over a month that stat would be golden What is this I don't even.
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Samillian
Moonshine Industries The Last Chancers.
118
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Posted - 2012.04.20 08:56:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:Simi Kusoni wrote:[quote=Bane Nucleus][quote=Simi Kusoni]Tea. Earl Gray. Hot.[/quote Well played. You may now proceed with the Picard maneuver[/quote Fairly certain I just performed the Picard Maneuver on Darth's terrible statistics No known defense mother ******. lol I took 1 day off o Forums & Simi tries her hand in math & statistics [:roll: Bravo your 1 attempt at math was waaaaaaaaaay off. I'll let you stare at the numbers & come up with why ( hint stare at QEN's 2010 :) I did a little stat mining from some tweet & found some interesting numbers on wormhole jumps you should check it out... https://twitter.com/#!/CCP_Diagora but more to my point about the ISK faucet of WH's here's a few CCP stats from CCP_Diagoras "Sell-to-NPCs items from wormholes generated 346bn ISK yesterday. 10.43tn ISK in Feb 2012 total. 5:01 AM - 8 Mar 12 via web" -+ Embed this Tweet "Sunday 19th Feb; 886bn spent on minerals, 619bn on battleships, 374bn sleeper components, 359bn composite materials, 339bn ice products. and a comparison versus Incursions faucet "Average payout for Incursion participants on the 1st of Feb was 169.5m ISK. 301.8bn payout total, 1,781 participants" To be fair though I'll give you Feb 1st was a wednesday & both Feb 19th & March 11th were days on the weekend I'm trying to extract actual sites being run from the NPC kills stats reported from CCP_Diagoras in his tweets but thats difficult... the numbers of Incursion runners is a easier stat from the way Incursion payout mechanism is set up If CCP_Diagoras threw out a stat of the numbers of ribbons were salvaged on a given day & were used or sold over a month that stat would be golden
While your at it compare player assets (ships / POSes and modules as well as the value of any cargos) lost to player action between wormholes and Incursions.
Oh wait....that might prove that there is far more risk to living in a wormhole and damage your argument. |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
160
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Posted - 2012.04.20 10:46:00 -
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Apolyon I wrote:
gj making it unreadable, what a way to argue
The forums parser ate a few brackets again I tried to fix it up a bit... forums ganks are not as bad as they used to be but they are still very annoying To the whiners : CCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally" |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
160
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Posted - 2012.04.20 11:05:00 -
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Simi Kusoni wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:Listen to Dr E you obviously haven't... he states in the writing of a graph the percentage of Eve doing incursion he also states the number of peeps living in WH's ( ergo the the number of people doing sites is less unless 100% of them are). This is kind of the point, you've clearly never run wormholes, yet have chosen to comment on them. The number of people running wormhole sites is not <= the number of people living in them..
I have it on good authority you are wrong there: there is alot of peeps living in WH's & doing non sleeper sites whom live in WH's the sleeper sites are the ISK fountain equivalent of Incursions are just as much an inflation multiplier as incursions ( yet still less then bounties ). I guess I should be more specific in differenting between blue loot & anonms & other sites that are non sleepers as part of my point about what should be nerfed so here: BOUNTIES. INCURSION PAYOUTS, & SLEEPER COMPONENTS are need o fixing in Escalation & Inferno. Incursion payouts will get the 10% cut next month CCP Sound wave sayz bounties are next, but sleeper components ( aka blue loot which are NPC buy orders ) are the third leg which is the great ISK inflation fountain should be cut along with everything else before more sinks are introduced IMHO. To the whiners : CCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally" |
melanomma
Atrium Geographical
0
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Posted - 2012.04.20 11:34:00 -
[234] - Quote
I'd like to see a chart of inflation over the past two years , I would bet that once Incursions started that shortly after inflation started to rise more . You will also see spikes around the time of pi changes and goons attack on the ice market. Ive never done incursions but i know pple that do and they can make more isk a day than i do in a week farming a wh. |
seany1212
eXceed Inc. No Holes Barred
138
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Posted - 2012.04.20 12:43:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:Simi Kusoni wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:Listen to Dr E you obviously haven't... he states in the writing of a graph the percentage of Eve doing incursion he also states the number of peeps living in WH's ( ergo the the number of people doing sites is less unless 100% of them are). This is kind of the point, you've clearly never run wormholes, yet have chosen to comment on them. The number of people running wormhole sites is not <= the number of people living in them.. I have it on good authority you are wrong there: there is alot of peeps living in WH's & doing non sleeper sites whom live in WH's the sleeper sites are the ISK fountain equivalent of Incursions are just as much an inflation multiplier as incursions ( yet still less then bounties ). I guess I should be more specific in differenting between blue loot & anonms & other sites that are non sleepers as part of my point about what should be nerfed so here: BOUNTIES. INCURSION PAYOUTS, & SLEEPER COMPONENTS are need o fixing in Escalation & Inferno. Incursion payouts will get the 10% cut next month CCP Sound wave sayz bounties are next, but sleeper components ( aka blue loot which are NPC buy orders ) are the third leg which is the great ISK inflation fountain should be cut along with everything else before more sinks are introduced IMHO.
You are delusional, not only do you link math that is BASED on some CCP stats and may well be wrong but you assume that every ISK that is payed out if those stats were correct is stored in every wormholers wallets. The losses in ISK in wormhole space reflect the payouts, entire alliances being evicted from wormhole systems, t3 and cap fleets being destroyed near on a daily basis both by other players or even just miscalculations with sleepers. The 40+ billion ISK chimera loss a couple of months ago proves my point.
Now looking to incursions payouts on those stats, assuming that at least 75% of that payout is in high sec incursions, where is the risk vs. reward?
Kind of shooting yourself in the foot their, especially as I saw you flying around high yesterday in a bhaalgorn, seems a bit hypocritical considering their is no risk... |
Just Alter
Enlightened Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
23
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Posted - 2012.04.20 13:14:00 -
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Wormholes are fine as they are.
If anything they should be more lucrative, especially c5 and c6.
The risk involved is immense and at the end of the day, incursions are still better. |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
641
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Posted - 2012.04.20 13:19:00 -
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Just Alter wrote:Wormholes are fine as they are.
If anything they should be more lucrative, especially c5 and c6.
The risk involved is immense and at the end of the day, incursions are still better. Personally I've always found it odd c1/c2 wormholes hold so little value, they are essentially just as dangerous as c3s, perhaps more so due to players that scan them down out of high sec and watch the API stats to see when someone is killing NPCs in there.
Either way though, whs in general are perfectly balanced, and probably one of the best parts of the game at the moment. They're certainly the most dangerous.
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Ishaki
Caldari Prime Investments
0
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Posted - 2012.04.20 13:20:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote: more stats concerning of the numbers of ribbons that were salvaged on a given day & were used or sold over a month
What does nanoribbons have to do with inflation? They are materials that are sold on the market and move money from your wallet to mine.. they do not add isk to the economy.
Are you sure you aren't the same poster who goes in to every thread where a bpo is mentioned regardless of the actual topic and spouts nonsense about how unfair they are, because your argument sounds just like his. |
Just Alter
Enlightened Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
23
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Posted - 2012.04.20 13:35:00 -
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Simi Kusoni wrote:Just Alter wrote:Wormholes are fine as they are.
If anything they should be more lucrative, especially c5 and c6.
The risk involved is immense and at the end of the day, incursions are still better. Personally I've always found it odd c1/c2 wormholes hold so little value, they are essentially just as dangerous as c3s, perhaps more so due to players that scan them down out of high sec and watch the API stats to see when someone is killing NPCs in there. Either way though, whs in general are perfectly balanced, and probably one of the best parts of the game at the moment. They're certainly the most dangerous.
Yeah they're the most dangerous.
However when thinking about these kind of things you have to think like this: "how can something be exploited?".
If c1 and c2 were more lucrative people could simply chain farm them with a t3 and then collapse the hole and farm them again.
I'm advocating increasing c5-c6 simply because they're extremely hard and they should pay something absurd.
(oh and btw between whs and incursions i'll always prefer incursions )
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Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
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Posted - 2012.04.20 14:16:00 -
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Just Alter wrote:Yeah they're the most dangerous.
However when thinking about these kind of things you have to think like this: "how can something be exploited?".
If c1 and c2 were more lucrative people could simply chain farm them with a t3 and then collapse the hole and farm them again. That's true, plus whilst the challenge in wormholes doesn't really come from the sleepers it does make sense to have at least some link between NPC difficulty and ISK payout.
Even if the only real repercussion of tougher NPCs is that people are forced to risk shinier ships. And boy do I love it when people use shiny ships in WHs The more people flying around j-space in deadspace pinatas the better <3
Just Alter wrote:I'm advocating increasing c5-c6 simply because they're extremely hard and they should pay something absurd Hmm, I'll be honest I mostly do solo stuff (Well, solo as in solo with four characters), so I haven't had much experience in terms of c5/c6 payouts. I was under the impression they were already quite good though?
Just Alter wrote:(oh and btw between whs and incursions i'll always prefer incursions) Really? I got bored of them pretty quickly I find that at least doing exploration or wormholes I have a little variety between sites, and scanning breaks up the monotony of site grinding a little bit.
Still, incursions are more fun than level fours, by christ. I had to run a few level fours to grind my trading alts standings up the other day. Closest I've ever come to biomassing my toons.
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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
160
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Posted - 2012.04.20 17:30:00 -
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melanomma wrote:I'd like to see a chart of inflation over the past two years , I would bet that once Incursions started that shortly after inflation started to rise more ..
You would lose that bet : http://go-dl.eve-files.com/media/1203/EveMonthlyInflation2003-feb2012.png Inflation was rising in the months before the Incursions and kept going even before the Incursions where figured out in feb-march finally. The farming agreement was not struck until May of 2011 & weirdly there was a deflationary period in June 2011 ( summer months in the northern hemisphere do that plus Incarna's flop ) To the whiners : CCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally" |
Killer Gandry
V I R I I Ineluctable.
306
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Posted - 2012.04.20 17:45:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:
Blue loot is a ISK FOUNTAIN that injects as much ISK into the EVE economy as incursions do on a monthly basis
You truly are a daft one.
Since when does salvage, minerals, or other loot inject ISK into the economy? Bounties and mission rewards inject ISK into the economy. Salvage, minerals, mods they are all not injecting Isk, they are the commodities which get a value placed on them by players. It represents a value according to general consensus but is of no value in itself.
Incursions have bounties and other direct Isk rewards, the loot, LP and such however are not injecting Isk. Injecting Isk would mean they wave a magic wand and generate Isk out of thin air.
So before trying to sound as someone who knows anything best to get your facts straight first.
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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
160
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Posted - 2012.04.20 17:48:00 -
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seany1212 wrote:Kind of shooting yourself in the foot their, especially as I saw you flying around high yesterday in a bhaalgorn, seems a bit hypocritical considering their is no risk...
Eh maybe I should go to WH's & start flying a more expensive Cap ship instead in C6's with 2-4 more ships? Maybe someday... but today I enjoy flying with 20-40 man fleets ( which isn't done in C6's often or at all is it? ) and the occasional 40+ fleeet PvE. I've lost a bhaal before & saw a Vindi go poof in an OTA last night ( poor guy the hulls are running 1.3 billion now )
I wish CCP CCP_Diagoras would show the final blows by NPC on pilots like he did here the other way around:
"9 Feb John Turbefield GÇÅ @CCP_Diagoras Reply RetweetedRetweet Delete FavoritedFavorite -+ Close Open Details Most killed Incursion NPC ship on Feb 8th: 19,938 Tama Cerebellum. Most killed incursion BS? 2,640 Deltole Tegmentum. @Dsan_dk #tweetfleet
9 Feb John Turbefield GÇÅ @CCP_Diagoras "
like he tweeted this here:
"9 Feb John Turbefield GÇÅ @CCP_Diagoras Reply RetweetedRetweet Delete FavoritedFavorite -+ Close Open Details Sleepers scored 54 final blows on carriers/dreads in Jan 2012. #tweetfleet"
I think the number of losses may be comparable to the number of pirate BS's lost in Incursions To the whiners : CCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally" |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
160
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Posted - 2012.04.20 17:51:00 -
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Ishaki wrote:DarthNefarius wrote: more stats concerning of the numbers of ribbons that were salvaged on a given day & were used or sold over a month What does nanoribbons have to do with inflation? They are materials that are sold on the market and move money from your wallet to mine.. they do not add isk to the economy. .
Hmmm I guess in the REAL world oil has nothing to do with Inflation either?
To the whiners : CCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally" |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
160
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Posted - 2012.04.20 18:04:00 -
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Simi Kusoni wrote:Just Alter wrote: [quote=Just Alter](oh and btw between whs and incursions i'll always prefer incursions)
Really? I got bored of them pretty quickly I find that at least doing exploration or wormholes I have a little variety between sites, and scanning breaks up the monotony of site grinding a little bit. Still, incursions are more fun than level fours, by christ. I had to run a few level fours to grind my trading alts standings up the other day. Closest I've ever come to biomassing my toons.
Incursions are more fun because for some ( not all of course ) because they are a group effort sort of like a 24 hour CTA now: you can throw together a pick up fleet ALOT easier then in a WH ( WH's ya sorta do need peeps you all know together in the same place at the same time (lo sec incursion fleets have to be secretive about it of course and know each other well) ) WH's do sound fun& there is alot of work to get the POS's set up... they are solo-able unlike Incursions ( there is 1-3 players that used to be able to solo 7-8 box a non OTA site think one of then was CHUNKER ( he can't anymore due to competition really) there now is another guy but he doesn't really solo them I'm told he needs someone else in his Tengu fleet to logi for him ) So yes for those that like to be (occasional?) solo hermits WH's are a route not afforded by Incursions. I only did a few level 4's before I was swept into my fun in Incursions... if/when I tire of them after some more lo sec Incursion fun dunno if I'll check out NULL or WH games I keep tottering between the 2... but if CCP keeps nerfing everything PvE EXCEPT W-Space I'll move there & increase its ranks like Dr E says is happening from the 2011 to 2012 Q1 pie chart graph ( here's another stat: QEN 2010 had the WH population pegged at 2.8% BTW ) To the whiners : CCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally" |
Apolyon I
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
8
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Posted - 2012.04.20 18:18:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:melanomma wrote:I'd like to see a chart of inflation over the past two years , I would bet that once Incursions started that shortly after inflation started to rise more .. You would lose that bet : http://go-dl.eve-files.com/media/1203/EveMonthlyInflation2003-feb2012.pngInflation was rising in the months before the Incursions and kept going even before the Incursions where figured out in feb-march finally. The farming agreement was not struck until May of 2011 & weirdly there was a deflationary period in June 2011 ( summer months in the northern hemisphere do that plus Incarna's flop )
he missed this point. inflation didn't start when incursion comes out, it started when ppl begin grinding incursion which is around Sept, Oct 2011.
tbh I did farm incursion for awhile before joining AQUILA because it's the easiest isk making in hisec. I was running logistics, went into site, throw rep on random dudes and watch movie, wait untill the FC squad warp us out |
Apolyon I
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
8
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Posted - 2012.04.20 18:31:00 -
[247] - Quote
DarthNefarius wrote:Ishaki wrote:DarthNefarius wrote: more stats concerning of the numbers of ribbons that were salvaged on a given day & were used or sold over a month What does nanoribbons have to do with inflation? They are materials that are sold on the market and move money from your wallet to mine.. they do not add isk to the economy. . Hmmm I guess in the REAL world oil has nothing to do with Inflation either?
Do you even know what inflation means? |
Apolyon I
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
8
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Posted - 2012.04.20 18:32:00 -
[248] - Quote
DarthNefarius wrote:Simi Kusoni wrote:Just Alter wrote: [quote=Just Alter](oh and btw between whs and incursions i'll always prefer incursions)
Really? I got bored of them pretty quickly I find that at least doing exploration or wormholes I have a little variety between sites, and scanning breaks up the monotony of site grinding a little bit. Still, incursions are more fun than level fours, by christ. I had to run a few level fours to grind my trading alts standings up the other day. Closest I've ever come to biomassing my toons. Incursions are more fun because for some ( not all of course ) because they are a group effort sort of like a 24 hour CTA now: you can throw together a pick up fleet ALOT easier then in a WH ( WH's ya sorta do need peeps you all know together in the same place at the same time (lo sec incursion fleets have to be secretive about it of course and know each other well) ) WH's do sound fun& there is alot of work to get the POS's set up... they are solo-able unlike Incursions ( there is 1-3 players that used to be able to solo 7-8 box a non OTA site think one of then was CHUNKER ( he can't anymore due to competition really) there now is another guy but he doesn't really solo them I'm told he needs someone else in his Tengu fleet to logi for him ) So yes for those that like to be (occasional?) solo hermits WH's are a route not afforded by Incursions. I only did a few level 4's before I was swept into my fun in Incursions... if/when I tire of them after some more lo sec Incursion fun dunno if I'll check out NULL or WH games I keep tottering between the 2... but if CCP keeps nerfing everything PvE EXCEPT W-Space I'll move there & increase its ranks like Dr E says is happening from the 2011 to 2012 Q1 pie chart graph ( here's another stat: QEN 2010 had the WH population pegged at 2.8% BTW ) But backto my original point: IF CCP IS 10% ISK NERFING BOUNTIES/DRONES/INCURSIONS faucets due to the market INFERNO sleeper components ( I refer to as blue loot ) should be also because if they have injected 1/3+ of the ISK into the Eve sandbox since thier inception
you really have no idea how wh corps operate
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Gonzo TheGreat
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
6
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Posted - 2012.04.20 20:51:00 -
[249] - Quote
Ah, congratulations, seems like you found out we are not a 0.0 corp at last ! It's a miracle ! |
Jalabaster
Mechanical Eagles Inc. The Ancients.
2
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Posted - 2012.04.22 23:29:00 -
[250] - Quote
If anyone thinks that wormhole revenue is too high, I would invite you to give wormhole life a try. You will find that the classic 'risk versus reward' system is firmly in play, and working pretty much as intended. Yes, you can make more money. No, it isn't as easy, and you will need to buy backup ships, because you're going to lose some.
Wormholes are basically the endgame for a great many small groups. These small groups move in, they invest. They take the deliberate risk that all the belongings they have in the hole could be destroyed. Most of them are not risking just a ship or two. They are risking a fully functional POS full of ships, gear, production and research lines, and what all else they would see fit to risk. Some of them invest nearly all of their assets into their wormhole endeavors. Not only are performing more risky endeavors, but they are putting far, far more on the line than an incursion runner.
Beyond that, everything you do relies on scanning down cosmic signatures. Logistics is not always easy, and you have constant supplies that need to be run in. Even the most self- sufficient of WH groups need ice for fuel blocks, faction ammo, and constantly topping off inventories of modds and ends. And then there's the issue of tritanium. If you think groups are doing any kind of large scale production by mining their own trit, you're dead wrong.
Recent POCO changes are in my opinion well balanced, wormhole groups are forced to either invest in POCO's (which of course can be destroyed), or face the interbus wallet neutralizer.
All that said, I think you over-estimate the site value of any one particular hole. Realize that once a wormhole is inhabited and farmed, it is quite frequently cleared, with nothing more to do. Venturing beyond one's borders can provide more isk, but at a cost of a significant amount of time spent exploring and scanning in unfamiliar systems. It would be fair to say that someone who raids wormhole space spends more time actively scanning than an incursion runner spends on autopilot when flying to his incursion. Even an experienced scout who scans very quickly will have to canvas out a large area in order to find the richest of WH systems his small group can raid. A wormhole inhabitant can expect to spend the vast majority of his time doing maintenance, logistics, and exploratory activities. I would venture to say that about 10% of your time is actually spent making money. The other 90% or so is spent doing necessary tasks, most of which cost isk in some way.
Do the blue bits contribute significantly to inflation? Yes. Should the blue bits be tinkered with? Yes Should WH inhabitants make more money than incursion runners? Yes
Jalabaster
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Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
348
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Posted - 2012.04.22 23:46:00 -
[251] - Quote
DarthNefarius wrote: my point about what should be nerfed so here: BOUNTIES. INCURSION PAYOUTS, & SLEEPER COMPONENTS Because WH's and their rewards are balanced, unlike hi-sec incursions.
Reading your posts is like watching a two year old throw a tantrum.
Wormholes: The *NEW* end game of Eve - Online: No Local. No Lag. No Blues (No Intell Channesl). No Blobs.
NEW FEATURE: NO INCARNA! |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
654
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Posted - 2012.04.22 23:57:00 -
[252] - Quote
Asuri Kinnes wrote:DarthNefarius wrote: my point about what should be nerfed so here: BOUNTIES. INCURSION PAYOUTS, & SLEEPER COMPONENTS Because WH's and their rewards are balanced, unlike hi-sec incursions. Reading your posts is like watching a two year old throw a tantrum. Hey, most two year olds are considerably more literate. No need to go dragging their names through the mud just thanks to darth's bad poasting.
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Just Alter
Enlightened Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
28
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Posted - 2012.04.23 00:41:00 -
[253] - Quote
DarthNefarius wrote:Incursions are more fun because for some ( not all of course ) because they are a group effort sort of like a 24 hour CTA now: you can throw together a pick up fleet ALOT easier then in a WH ( WH's ya sorta do need peeps you all know together in the same place at the same time
Wat? So incursions are more fun because you dont need to know the people you're playing with?
So they're more fun because they're easier.
So they're more fun because they pay more isk/effort*risk.
And still you bash whs.
Stop poasting pls. |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
161
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Posted - 2012.04.23 00:45:00 -
[254] - Quote
Asuri Kinnes wrote:DarthNefarius wrote: my point about what should be nerfed so here: BOUNTIES. INCURSION PAYOUTS, & SLEEPER COMPONENTS Because WH's and their rewards are balanced, unlike hi-sec incursions. Reading your posts is like watching a two year old throw a tantrum.
All ISK faucets in Eve are outta balance according to CCP Soundwave in his TenTonHammer interview & sleeper blue loot NPC buy orders are second biggest ISK faucet in Eve (~10 trillion a month ) To the whiners : CCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally" |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
655
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Posted - 2012.04.23 00:48:00 -
[255] - Quote
13 pages of people disagreeing with him and he's still going, got to be some kind of record.
Anyone want to take bets on how many pages this reaches before it gets locked?
--Will Support Your Terrible Forum Thread For ISK-- |
Just Alter
Enlightened Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
28
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Posted - 2012.04.23 01:02:00 -
[256] - Quote
DarthNefarius wrote:Asuri Kinnes wrote:DarthNefarius wrote: my point about what should be nerfed so here: BOUNTIES. INCURSION PAYOUTS, & SLEEPER COMPONENTS Because WH's and their rewards are balanced, unlike hi-sec incursions. Reading your posts is like watching a two year old throw a tantrum. All ISK faucets in Eve are outta balance according to CCP Soundwave in his TenTonHammer interview & sleeper blue loot NPC buy orders are second biggest ISK faucet in Eve (~10 trillion a month )
But, as many tried to tell you before, those blue loot isk have a different value than the same amount of money made in an high sex incursion.
You have to detract from those 10trilion the logistics cost of wormholes, and the huge risk involved in living in a place with no local and no concord.
And then there's this point(i'll try to explain for the last time then **** it) : the risk of wormholes is SO much higher than incursion that it SHOULD pay more.
You want to reduce inflation? nerf incursions and high sec lvl 4 more, leave everything else the same. |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
161
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Posted - 2012.04.23 01:09:00 -
[257] - Quote
Just Alter wrote:[ But, as many tried to tell you before, those blue loot isk have a different value than the same amount of money made in an high sex incursion.
??? ISK is ISK
To the whiners : CCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally" |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
656
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Posted - 2012.04.23 01:21:00 -
[258] - Quote
DarthNefarius wrote:Just Alter wrote:[ But, as many tried to tell you before, those blue loot isk have a different value than the same amount of money made in an high sex incursion.
??? ISK is ISK I wonder what amounts of ISK is brought in the lo&NULL sex Incursions too I haven't seen that stat yet either People should really stop feeding the troll.
If you can't explain something to someone within 13 pages, then you cannot explain something to somebody.
--Will Support Your Terrible Forum Thread For ISK-- |
Just Alter
Enlightened Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
28
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Posted - 2012.04.23 01:24:00 -
[259] - Quote
Absolutely confirmed as a troll.
He didnt even dare to quote the second part of my post.
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Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
656
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Posted - 2012.04.23 01:29:00 -
[260] - Quote
Just Alter wrote:Absolutely confirmed as a troll.
He didnt even dare to quote the second part of my post.
I think he is genuine, but he is an incursion runner and he sees the game from only that perspective. He also lacks the subtlety or eloquence to attempt to defend incursions, or attack other aspects of the game, effectively. Resulting in repetitive troll-like bad poasting.
Although I will admit, he is admirably persistant.
--Will Support Your Terrible Forum Thread For ISK-- |
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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
161
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Posted - 2012.04.23 01:31:00 -
[261] - Quote
Just Alter wrote: You want to reduce inflation? nerf incursions and high sec lvl 4 more, leave everything else the same.
Incursions will be NERFed on the 24th we'll see how much Inflation is decreased the next month
To the whiners : CCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally" |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
656
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Posted - 2012.04.23 01:31:00 -
[262] - Quote
Look on the bright side though, we now have a 13 page thread that will serve as a monument to popular opinion on the idea of nerfing whs. Thereby ensuring whs won't be nerfed for a very, very long time.
--Will Support Your Terrible Forum Thread For ISK-- |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
656
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Posted - 2012.04.23 01:32:00 -
[263] - Quote
DarthNefarius wrote:Just Alter wrote: You want to reduce inflation? nerf incursions and high sec lvl 4 more, leave everything else the same.
Incursions will be NERFed on the 24th we'll see how much Inflation is decreased the next month Inflation doesn't work like that you imbecile.
--Will Support Your Terrible Forum Thread For ISK-- |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
161
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Posted - 2012.04.23 01:40:00 -
[264] - Quote
Simi Kusoni wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:Just Alter wrote: You want to reduce inflation? nerf incursions and high sec lvl 4 more, leave everything else the same.
Incursions will be NERFed on the 24th we'll see how much Inflation is decreased the next month Inflation doesn't work like that you imbecile.
THNX My point exactly Inflation won't be curbed 1 bit by NERFing Incursions alone other ISK faucets such as WH's blue loot & bounties will at least need a 10% cut & new ISK sinks need to be added too To the whiners : CCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally" |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
657
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Posted - 2012.04.23 01:49:00 -
[265] - Quote
<----- Currently accepting ISK donations to help buy Darth Nefarious a market crash course from the MD sub forum.
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Grimpak
Midnight Elites Echelon Rising
429
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Posted - 2012.04.23 01:58:00 -
[266] - Quote
where's that PLANET_FACEPALM.JPG when you needed it, and when does CCP brings back images ffs. [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
164
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Posted - 2012.04.25 07:27:00 -
[267] - Quote
IMHO CPP should really cause an Inferno in WH space by Introducing wormhole stabilizers or increasing mass limits to really Escalate EVERYTHING in Eve LETS BURN EVERYTHING To the whiners : CCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally" |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
165
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Posted - 2012.04.26 10:05:00 -
[268] - Quote
Simi Kusoni wrote:13 pages of people disagreeing with him and he's still going, got to be some kind of record.
Anyone want to take bets on how many pages this reaches before it gets locked?
Bet it won't any time soon... why do you want it locked anyways? Honestly seems to me WH's have become stagnant what was the last real change to WH's To the whiners : CCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally" |
Anunzi
Eve Engineering Logistics Eve Engineering
0
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Posted - 2012.04.26 10:44:00 -
[269] - Quote
Simi Kusoni wrote:13 pages of people disagreeing with him and he's still going, got to be some kind of record.
Anyone want to take bets on how many pages this reaches before it gets locked?
Soon with any luck. The op will never understand anyones view point other than his own it seems.
Either that or he's just an unusually articulate troll....
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Demon Azrakel
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
83
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Posted - 2012.04.26 11:28:00 -
[270] - Quote
What part about "risk free" highsec isk making ventures are you confusing with local free, stuck on grid for 20 mins to an hour, when pvp can happen at any moment?
And how about the fact that there are a limited number of sites, not infinitely respawning sites every day?
The problem was that vanguards payed out too much for the minuscule amount of risk associated with them compared to other risk-free highsec methods of making isk (lvl 4s, for the most part).
Risk vs reward, nuff said. |
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Prophet Avater
Imperium Technologies F0RCEFUL ENTRY
0
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Posted - 2012.04.26 11:41:00 -
[271] - Quote
DarthNefarius wrote:Incursions getting nerfed & drone alloys getting nerfed why are the blue loot NPC buy orders not getting nerfed to to help with the inflation?!?! The Pax Amarrian nerf was a good precendent of a NPC sell order which was balanced next the sleeper blue loot NPC buy order should be cut in the name of balance. A possible bounty 10% cut is being thrown around too by CCP Soundwave. Only one currenntly smelling like a rose is the Wormhole residents with the Escalation to Inferno. Lets have the current inflation mean the end fo Empire NPC's no longer being able to affford to buy sleeper crap (NPC buy orders) which is non ribbons (blue loot) which acually adds something to Eve & empire ( at least with Incursions Capsuleers are providing a service to Empire residents what has blueloot added to Empire's security? ) . LETS HAVE EVERYONE FEEL THE PAIN OF ESCALATING INFERNO[:!: A pox on EVERYONE'S house
Because CCP want's people to move away from high sec into WH space, if null sec is like the wild west, wh space is hell for the average high sec care bear. |
Rekon X
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
13
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Posted - 2012.04.26 11:51:00 -
[272] - Quote
DarthNefarius wrote:Incursions getting nerfed & drone alloys getting nerfed why are the blue loot NPC buy orders not getting nerfed to to help with the inflation?!?! The Pax Amarrian nerf was a good precendent of a NPC sell order which was balanced next the sleeper blue loot NPC buy order should be cut in the name of balance. A possible bounty 10% cut is being thrown around too by CCP Soundwave. Only one currenntly smelling like a rose is the Wormhole residents with the Escalation to Inferno. Lets have the current inflation mean the end fo Empire NPC's no longer being able to affford to buy sleeper crap (NPC buy orders) which is non ribbons (blue loot) which acually adds something to Eve & empire ( at least with Incursions Capsuleers are providing a service to Empire residents what has blueloot added to Empire's security? ) . LETS HAVE EVERYONE FEEL THE PAIN OF ESCALATING INFERNO[:!: A pox on EVERYONE'S house
If wormhole systems are so great, why aren't you in there raking it in? Hmm, let's see, because of the risk. I don't care what you think, if you ever think at all. |
Mr Bigwinky
4U Services Inc. Talocan United
205
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Posted - 2012.04.26 14:07:00 -
[273] - Quote
On the plus side, OP, you've created a massive thread full of good arguements.
On the negative, all the arguements are against you, revealing you for the moron you are.
To keep it fair and inline with wormholes, OP, let's make every system that spawns an incursion 0.0 Let's also remove local and gates. Hey whilst we're at it, we should make each system only have 1 or 2 sites respawn a day. Oh AND we should make it so that people can enter that system from any part of space.
Once we've done that, lets make you have to find and carry your loot for several jumps before you can sell it. Don't worry though, we'll make it so that when you find a way out of your system with no gates that the exit has a chance of collapsing via mass or time.
If that isn't fair enough, how about we make you keep all of your ships inside a structure that can be destroyed. Hey, let's make you pay for that structure too AND FUEL IT! Let's also make it so that other people have access to your stuff.
There are a whole lot more fun things we have to do to make incursions = wormholes but then incursions would = wormholes.
Wait, why are we comparing these two again?
Dumbass. Welcome to EVE online, here's your rubix cube, go F*** yourself GÖÑ |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
165
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Posted - 2012.04.27 09:31:00 -
[274] - Quote
Must be nice to be let alone from CCP in Wormhole space ... I guess I should make it my mission to go where ever CCP is ignoring to carve out my own happy niche in Eve. To the whiners : CCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally" |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
792
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Posted - 2012.04.27 09:55:00 -
[275] - Quote
DarthNefarius wrote:Must be nice to be let alone from CCP in Wormhole space ... I guess I should make it my mission to go where ever CCP is ignoring to carve out my own happy niche in Eve. By all means, please, move in to wormhole space. Especially since we know this your main.
I would be happy to take a few t3s off your hands, I hear they drop good loot and salvage pretty well too.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
Roime
Shiva Furnace
602
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Posted - 2012.04.27 09:58:00 -
[276] - Quote
He doesn't even read what other people post, just rants on inane.
Should be banned. ~ Elite forum PvP ~ |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
792
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Posted - 2012.04.27 10:24:00 -
[277] - Quote
Roime wrote:He doesn't even read what other people post, just rants on inane.
Should be banned. Yeah, but this thread is making an epic case for buffing wormholes so I say let it be.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
Samillian
Moonshine Industries The Last Chancers.
129
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Posted - 2012.04.27 10:28:00 -
[278] - Quote
DarthNefarius wrote:Must be nice to be let alone from CCP in Wormhole space ... I guess I should make it my mission to go where ever CCP is ignoring to carve out my own happy niche in Eve.
You could but are your really cut out for it?
Wormhole life comes with real (well real virtual) risks attached unlike HiSec Incursions. We don't have the soft fluffy cushions of station living with infinite and theft proof storage, easy repair, cloning facilities or easy risk free access to the market.
Every post of yours I've seen has failed to look past the cash that could be earned and to take into account the underlying costs (both ISK and time) and risks of the lifestyle. |
Tasiv Deka
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
37
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Posted - 2012.04.27 12:46:00 -
[279] - Quote
this thread has been quite the read and i hope to get many more days of enjoyment out of it
also adding that just because someone lives outside a wormhole they dont raid them on occasion... ( i've watched a many of people do just that and have heard the testimonies) CCP add another race of ships into the game... Not even the people just the ships... now i know there would be all sorts of copyright issues to iron out... but i want to fly an Irken Titan known as the "Massive"... Invader Zim is an amazing show. |
Michael1995
Lead Farmers Academy Kill It With Fire
9
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Posted - 2012.04.27 13:36:00 -
[280] - Quote
Yes, it is nice that CCP isn't needlessly nerfing W-space.
I do hear that sleeper dreadnoughts might be introduced because they don't like capital escalations the way they are. I take that as a buff though, gotta keep that bearing top notch in the best part of EVE. One does not simply buy their way into Goonswarm. |
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Tasiv Deka
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
37
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Posted - 2012.04.27 17:27:00 -
[281] - Quote
Michael1995 wrote:Yes, it is nice that CCP isn't needlessly nerfing W-space. I do hear that sleeper dreadnoughts might be introduced because they don't like capital escalations the way they are. I take that as a buff though, gotta keep that bearing top notch in the best part of EVE.
while my wormhole experieince at the time of this post is mostly randomly spying on others wormholes and doing a couple c1 (or 2s i cant really remember) i can say i would love the oppurtunity to fight a sleeper dread... CCP add another race of ships into the game... Not even the people just the ships... now i know there would be all sorts of copyright issues to iron out... but i want to fly an Irken Titan known as the "Massive"... Invader Zim is an amazing show. |
Helen Nearning
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2012.04.27 17:45:00 -
[282] - Quote
Must be nice to live in la-la land. The OP needs to look at all the ships lost getting the blue loot. If WH loot is roughly the same isk faucet as wh's you are only looking at half of the equation. WH isk - all the poor ships that are blown up in wh sites = way less than incursion isk.
Given that, it would seem they either need to buff wh isk or nerf incursion isk. |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
166
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Posted - 2012.04.27 23:48:00 -
[283] - Quote
Helen Nearning wrote:Must be nice to live in la-la land. The OP needs to look at all the ships lost getting the blue loot. If WH loot is roughly the same isk faucet as wh's you are only looking at half of the equation. WH isk - all the poor ships that are blown up in wh sites = way less than incursion isk.
Given that, it would seem they either need to buff wh isk or nerf incursion isk.
You are incorrect WH sleeper ISK injection is slightly greater then Incursion ISK for every month of Incursions existance except possibly 1. WH sleeper nano ribbons on top of blue loot more then make up for ship losses from what I hear ( tuff to find any hard numbers on that though ) To the whiners : CCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally" |
Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
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Posted - 2012.04.27 23:57:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:Helen Nearning wrote:Must be nice to live in la-la land. The OP needs to look at all the ships lost getting the blue loot. If WH loot is roughly the same isk faucet as wh's you are only looking at half of the equation. WH isk - all the poor ships that are blown up in wh sites = way less than incursion isk.
Given that, it would seem they either need to buff wh isk or nerf incursion isk. You are incorrect WH sleeper ISK injection is slightly greater then Incursion ISK for every month of Incursions existance except possibly 1. WH sleeper nano ribbons on top of blue loot more then make up for ship losses from what I hear ( tuff to find any hard numbers on that though ) Sleeper isk injection is slightly higher than Incursion Isk injection, and done by more people (i think we proved that earlier) with way higher risks.
That's why WH's aren't being touched, and you know it.
Wormholes: The *NEW* end game of Eve - Online: No Local. No Lag. No Blues (No Intell Channesl). No Blobs.
NEW FEATURE: NO INCARNA! |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
167
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Posted - 2012.04.30 11:20:00 -
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CCP I'm still asking why there is no Inferno in the worm hole? To the whiners : CCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally" |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
167
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Posted - 2012.04.30 11:22:00 -
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Asuri Kinnes wrote:[quote=DarthNefarius][quote=Helen Nearning] Sleeper isk injection is slightly higher than Incursion Isk injection, and done by more people (i think we proved that earlier) with way higher risks.
. You didn't prove jack shite To the whiners : CCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally" |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
876
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Posted - 2012.04.30 11:26:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:You didn't prove jack shite
DarthNefarius wrote:Listen to Dr E you obviously haven't... he states in the writing of a graph the percentage of Eve doing incursion he also states the number of peeps living in WH's ( ergo the the number of people doing sites is less unless 100% of them are). This is kind of the point, you've clearly never run wormholes, yet have chosen to comment on them. The number of people running wormhole sites is not <= the number of people living in them.
People scan down sites in high sec, jump in and run c1/c2 wormholes in their drakes or overpriced tengus. Similarly, people scan down C3s in low sec and do the same, a lot of major null sec alliances scan down c5/c6 whs and have entire capital ops where they jump in and clear capital escalation sites. In fact recently I think -A- took over a few WH systems for this very purpose.
None of these people live in wormholes, they live in high sec, low sec and null sec, yet they likely contribute just as much to the total amount of blue loot farmed as any WH dweller. And this is why your stats are completely useless, because the number of people living in wormholes, which is hard to calculate accurately anyway, is not even remotely related to the number of people raiding wormholes for PvE content.
DarthNefarius wrote:If you cannot connect the dots & do the math I suggest remedial algebra. So where are your numbers comming from ( oh wait there are no numbers so yours are straight outta your bum ) It would be nice if there was a published number of peeps doing WH sites but the numbers he provides just shows the people doing Incursion sites ( HI/LO/NULL ) vs the number living in WH space. If you're talking about the graph showing the number of incursions runners that is fairly useless for your purposes for the reason stated above. But, assuming it was useful, that looks like ~17,000 people running incursions, right?
How many active subscribers does Eve online have? >400,000 as of last month? And 5.4% of them are in wormholes?
400,000 x 0.054 = 21,600
So there are 4,000 more people "living" in wormholes, than there are running incursions? Oh wow, and people raid WHs on top of that?
Now GTFO Darth and never try and use statistics to support your terrible ideas again.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
167
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Posted - 2012.04.30 11:27:00 -
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Simi Kusoni wrote:Now GTFO Darth and never try and use statistics to support your terrible ideas again.
You talking tome about statisics?!?!? lol You've never ever shown one & crude outta your arse
To the whiners : CCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally" |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
890
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Posted - 2012.04.30 11:29:00 -
[289] - Quote
DarthNefarius wrote:You talking to me about statisics?!?!? lol You've never ever shown one xcept crude outta your arse
DarthNefarius wrote:Listen to Dr E you obviously haven't... he states in the writing of a graph the percentage of Eve doing incursion he also states the number of peeps living in WH's ( ergo the the number of people doing sites is less unless 100% of them are). This is kind of the point, you've clearly never run wormholes, yet have chosen to comment on them. The number of people running wormhole sites is not <= the number of people living in them.
People scan down sites in high sec, jump in and run c1/c2 wormholes in their drakes or overpriced tengus. Similarly, people scan down C3s in low sec and do the same, a lot of major null sec alliances scan down c5/c6 whs and have entire capital ops where they jump in and clear capital escalation sites. In fact recently I think -A- took over a few WH systems for this very purpose.
None of these people live in wormholes, they live in high sec, low sec and null sec, yet they likely contribute just as much to the total amount of blue loot farmed as any WH dweller. And this is why your stats are completely useless, because the number of people living in wormholes, which is hard to calculate accurately anyway, is not even remotely related to the number of people raiding wormholes for PvE content.
DarthNefarius wrote:If you cannot connect the dots & do the math I suggest remedial algebra. So where are your numbers comming from ( oh wait there are no numbers so yours are straight outta your bum ) It would be nice if there was a published number of peeps doing WH sites but the numbers he provides just shows the people doing Incursion sites ( HI/LO/NULL ) vs the number living in WH space. If you're talking about the graph showing the number of incursions runners that is fairly useless for your purposes for the reason stated above. But, assuming it was useful, that looks like ~17,000 people running incursions, right?
How many active subscribers does Eve online have? >400,000 as of last month? And 5.4% of them are in wormholes?
400,000 x 0.054 = 21,600
So there are 4,000 more people "living" in wormholes, than there are running incursions? Oh wow, and people raid WHs on top of that?
Now GTFO Darth and never try and use statistics to support your terrible ideas again.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
Michael1995
Lead Farmers Academy Kill It With Fire
11
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Posted - 2012.05.01 04:35:00 -
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Only if you were in a high position at CCP stuffing up the game sure. Even then I'd think CCP with all their mistakes would notice how bad an idea Wormhole stabilizers would be.
Please go back to getting kicked from Incursion fleets and dying to the rats, we really don't need more crappy suggestions on these forums. One does not simply buy their way into Goonswarm. |
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Kassandra Thiesant
Plastic Knives
0
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Posted - 2012.05.04 06:11:00 -
[291] - Quote
I agree with this thread. Wormholes need higher payout.
I've been in WH space a little bit and I get chased out by people constantly trying to drop on me and kill me.
It's hard to make money in WH space when this sort of stuff is happening. |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
185
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Posted - 2012.05.08 18:28:00 -
[292] - Quote
DarthNefarius wrote:Derth Ramir wrote:
Blue loot is a ISK FOUNTAIN that injects as much ISK into the EVE economy as incursions do on a monthly basis Between 8-10 trillion ISK 1/3 or less of what bounties inject. Difference between Incursions & sleeper income: sleeper income also on top of that gives ribbon salvage which DWARF'S incursion income ( no appreciable salvage in incursions ) You're exagerating. Blue loot isn't really worth that much considering all the costs associated with aquiring it and the number of players it gets spread around to in most cases. .
-I am not exagerating. Blue loot is a bigger ISK injector then Incursion payouts.
-CCP's Escalation to Inferno NERFing b!tch slapped HI SEC (thru Incursion site time increases) & Lo SEC (Drone poo anhilation& Incursions NERF) PvE Incomes yet left W-Space scot free. Expect a mass migration there over the summer.
CCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally" |
Apolyon I
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
32
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Posted - 2012.05.08 18:56:00 -
[293] - Quote
DarthNefarius wrote:
-I am not exagerating. Blue loot is a bigger ISK injector then Incursion payouts.
-CCP's Escalation to Inferno NERFing b!tch slapped HI SEC (thru Incursion site time increases) & Lo SEC (Drone poo anhilation& Incursions NERF) PvE Incomes yet left W-Space scot free. Expect a mass migration there over the summer.
I love your raging all over the forum.
all CCP did is putting incursion into its right place. stop blaming them |
Takseen
University of Caille Gallente Federation
160
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Posted - 2012.05.08 19:04:00 -
[294] - Quote
DarthNefarius wrote:
-CCP's Escalation to Inferno NERFing b!tch slapped HI SEC (thru Incursion site time increases) & Lo SEC (Drone poo anhilation& Incursions NERF) PvE Incomes yet left W-Space scot free. Expect a mass migration there over the summer.
>Mass migration >Wormhole space
I wouldn't count on it, mate. |
Tasiv Deka
Ganked And T Bagged
37
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Posted - 2012.05.08 19:12:00 -
[295] - Quote
Takseen wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:
-CCP's Escalation to Inferno NERFing b!tch slapped HI SEC (thru Incursion site time increases) & Lo SEC (Drone poo anhilation& Incursions NERF) PvE Incomes yet left W-Space scot free. Expect a mass migration there over the summer.
>Mass migration >Wormhole space I wouldn't count on it, mate.
it would be nice though its fun to harass people that come into our wormhole
Nathan Jameson: "Are we playing the same game? You do **** in EVE because you can. " way to go ccp making me have to change things around just to get a good signature |
Letrange
Chaosstorm Corporation
46
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Posted - 2012.05.08 19:38:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:Digital Messiah wrote:1. they are not a faucet, because they do not bring in more isk as a number they simply use what is already floating around.
. bull crap SLEEPER BLUE LOOT is a ISK faucet pure & simple because it injects ISK into Eve through NPC buy orders!
As much as I hate to agree with a whiny butt hurt incursion pilot - he's right they are a semi-pure faucet. (semi-pure since they can be destroyed en route). Mainly because they have no other use than to turn into NPCs for iskies. Incidentally I'm not against removing them from wormhole drops per see, but you'd see a large reduction in wormhole population rather quickly as the only reason to then live in wormhole space would be sleeper salvage and mining gas clouds. And I thought incursion pilots didn't like to mine?
I think the net effect of such a move would be to send melted nanoribbon prices thru the roof. Which would seriously increase the price of Tech 3 ships. |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1619
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Posted - 2012.05.08 19:55:00 -
[297] - Quote
Everything that creats ISK in the game is an ISK faucet. Mining is an ISK faucet. Salvaging. ISK faucet. Ratting is an ISK faucet...
Sleeper loot is also an ISK faucet. WH's aren't getting nerfed because...
THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH THEM! The risk vs. reward in WH space is balanced.
And no...WH sleeper loot does not generate more ISK than Incursions. CCP has already stated this. Stop trying to say otherwise. Just because you keep saying it does not make it any more true. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
185
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Posted - 2012.05.08 23:18:00 -
[298] - Quote
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:Everything that creats ISK in the game is an ISK faucet. Mining is an ISK faucet. Salvaging. ISK faucet. Ratting is an ISK faucet...
Sleeper loot is also an ISK faucet. WH's aren't getting nerfed because...
THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH THEM! The risk vs. reward in WH space is balanced.
And no...WH sleeper loot does not generate more ISK than Incursions. CCP has already stated this. Stop trying to say otherwise. Just because you keep saying it does not make it any more true.
Everything is not an ISK faucet... there are also materials faucets that create wealth too yes but unlike the ISK faucets the materials are getting destroyed in large numbers threw the mineral sink known as ship destruction. The ISK sinks are hugely dwarfed in the game by the materials sinks.
CCP has stated that more ISK is generated by the WH NPC sleeper buy orders then incursion. Here is a breakdown by a CSM o a stat for a single month provided by CCP Diagoras: Tuesday, March 13, 2012It's the economy, stupid So I started wondering a bit about the state of the economy in EVE right now. There were some posts on FHC musing about the amount of ISK flowing into the economy right now, and since CCP Diagoras was kind enough to tweet a bunch of stats, I decided to do some math and add it all up. Here it is:
Item Source/Sink Monthly Amount Wormhole blue books Source $10,430,000,000,000 Incursions Rewards Source $8,566,015,400,900 Mission Rewards Source $2,470,815,985,076 Misson Bonuses Source $2,346,410,541,970 Insurance Payouts Source $3,366,455,121,035 Insurance Costs Sink -$1,618,888,782,680 NPC Bounties Source $32,083,329,999,805 NPC Sell Orders Sink -$13,000,000,000,000 Transaction Taxes* Sink -$2,375,100,000,000 Broker Fees* Sink -$2,607,100,000,000 LP Store* Sink -$6,331,570,000,000 PI Construction* Sink -$627,850,000,000 Clones* Sink -$910,600,000,000 Office Rental* Sink -$488,650,000,000 War Fees* Sink -$149,350,000,000 Repair Bills* Sink -$287,100,000,000 PI NPC Taxes* Sink -$741,820,000,000 Sov Bills* Sink -$809,100,000,000 Contract Brokers Fee* Sink -$301,600,000,000 Contract Sales Tax* Sink -$324,800,000,000
Total $28,689,498,266,106
Anything with a * is based on a single day for February, everything else is a full month's data from Diagoras.
Since there were 29 days in February this year, this comes out to almost exactly 1 trillion ISK per day entering the economy. Because CCP no longer publishes QENs, we don't have any recent data to compare this to, but in the last published QEN (for the 4th quarter of 2010), the rate was 0.38 trilion ISK per day, or a little over 1/3 of the current rate. Subscriber numbers were lower then, but not by much. The QEN puts the monthly NPC bounty amounts at about 24 trillion ISK, compared to 32 trillion now. This accounts for about 0.27 trillion ISK per day, or about half of the difference. The rest is accounted for by Incursions.
http://twostep4csm.blogspot.com/2012/03/its-econmony-stupid.html
CCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally" |
Bane Nucleus
The Kairos Syndicate Transmission Lost
38
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Posted - 2012.05.09 00:28:00 -
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That looks pretty good to me. Wormholes require more effort and risk, so we should get more isk out of it. Nothing to see here. Move along. |
Mars Theran
EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance
184
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Posted - 2012.05.09 01:14:00 -
[300] - Quote
are you sure some of those numbers weren't from a full year?10 trillion? 8 trillion? I'm pretty certain the fanfest video listed those off as last years annual influx from those sources.
Let me check. Alliance Auction - EVE Rogues: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1215438#post1215438 |
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Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
421
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Posted - 2012.05.09 01:42:00 -
[301] - Quote
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:Everything that creats ISK in the game is an ISK faucet. Mining is an ISK faucet. Salvaging. ISK faucet. Ratting is an ISK faucet...
Sleeper loot is also an ISK faucet. WH's aren't getting nerfed because...
THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH THEM! The risk vs. reward in WH space is balanced.
And no...WH sleeper loot does not generate more ISK than Incursions. CCP has already stated this. Stop trying to say otherwise. Just because you keep saying it does not make it any more true. You are wrong about what an isk faucet is, and you are wrong about blue loot $ not exceeding incursions.
Wanna go for the trifecta?
Darth - WH's aren't getting nerfed, because there are more people running WH's in addition to those living in them. Isk is further spread out amongst more people.
Also - it is *more* dangerous in WH's.
If you can't wrap your little head around that - uninstall - that's all i got.
Wormholes: The *NEW* end game of Eve - Online: No Local. No Lag. No Blues (No Intell Channesl). No Blobs.
NEW FEATURE: NO INCARNA! |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
185
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Posted - 2012.05.09 07:02:00 -
[302] - Quote
Asuri Kinnes wrote: You are wrong about what an isk faucet is, and you are wrong about blue loot $ not exceeding incursions.
.
Huh? CCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally" |
Apolyon I
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
34
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Posted - 2012.05.09 07:30:00 -
[303] - Quote
DarthNefarius wrote:Mars Theran wrote:are you sure some of those numbers weren't from a full year?10 trillion? 8 trillion? I'm pretty certain the fanfest video listed those off as last years annual influx from those sources. Let me check. edit.. monthly averages, as suggested. Surprising amount of ISK, but if you look here it isn't exactly out of balance, and look at the bounties which should now be higher as a result of Drone Region nerfs. The numbers quoted were not a monthly average for blue loot & Incursion payouts. In the fanfet presentation I recall december was said to be the busiest month for incursion runners. February wasa shortened month. Before farming a month before Incarna came out WH ISK injection dwarfed Incursion payouts& inlation really started in earnest a month before the Incursion sites opened up. Will be interesting to see how much drone bounties increase ISK injection but I hear ( second hand ) they are not that great. inflation started getting worse as incursion came out, isnt it notable??? |
Samillian
Moonshine Industries The Last Chancers.
137
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Posted - 2012.05.09 08:55:00 -
[304] - Quote
You Incursion runners have been sucking on the low risk ISK tit a while now and you never expected it to change?
Get real, the change to Incursions is as nothing to the Sanctum nerf that wiped many small Null Alliances out of existence. Vanguards still pay more than lvl 4 missions and the fact that you have to work harder for your ISK is no bad thing.
Just because your little bit of EvE was heavily out of balance in regards to risk vs reward and needed rebalancing does not automatically mean everyone else in the game should suffer.
Grow up, grow a pair and move to a into a wormhole if you think you can earn more there rather than having an infantile rant all over the forums. |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
186
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Posted - 2012.05.09 17:52:00 -
[305] - Quote
Apolyon I wrote:quote] inflation started getting worse as incursion came out, isnt it notable???
Incorrect Inflation started getting worse BEFORE Incursions came out
http://go-dl.eve-files.com/media/1203/EveInflation_2010-2012.gif CCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally" |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
968
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Posted - 2012.05.09 17:57:00 -
[306] - Quote
DarthNefarius wrote:Apolyon I wrote:quote] inflation started getting worse as incursion came out, isnt it notable??? Incorrect Inflation started getting worse BEFORE Incursions came out Good thing the incursion nerf was to address the ****** up state of risk/reward, and not as a hotfix to inflation then.
Also, anyone interested in a quick break down of why darth's statistics suck, scroll to top of page. I will be reposting that information periodically as he repeatedly tries to bury it with necro ship toasting.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
MortisLegati
Caldari War Materiel
1
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Posted - 2012.05.09 17:59:00 -
[307] - Quote
DarthNefarius wrote:Ocih wrote:Nerf Jove space too. Its my understanding Jove space was nerfed when CCP laid off a bunch of co-workers after the Incarna fiasco late last year & WiS & WoD got axed
I can already tell you're not paying attention right here.
Also, people need to learn that ISK Faucet means NPCs adding ISK into the game by giving it to players and an ISK Sink is NPCs taking ISK out of the game by taking it from players. Inter-player trade has nothing to do with sinking or adding ISK to the game. The economy is bigger than you, kthx.
Done with this thread. |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
186
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Posted - 2012.05.09 18:03:00 -
[308] - Quote
Simi Kusoni wrote: Also, anyone interested in a quick break down of why darth's statistics suck, scroll to top of page. I will be reposting that information periodically as he repeatedly tries to bury it with necro ship toasting.
I'd start reposting of your statistics but there are not any
CCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally" |
Antisocial Malkavian
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
74
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Posted - 2012.05.09 18:05:00 -
[309] - Quote
Apolyon I wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:
-I am not exagerating. Blue loot is a bigger ISK injector then Incursion payouts.
-CCP's Escalation to Inferno NERFing b!tch slapped HI SEC (thru Incursion site time increases) & Lo SEC (Drone poo anhilation& Incursions NERF) PvE Incomes yet left W-Space scot free. Expect a mass migration there over the summer.
I love your raging all over the forum. all CCP did is putting incursion into its right place. stop blaming them
theres a reason I dont see anything this guy says but a red bar.
http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.2317/JKES0811.17.1 Bees That Drink Human Tears -- ITS SCIENCE!!! |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
968
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Posted - 2012.05.09 18:08:00 -
[310] - Quote
DarthNefarius wrote:I'd start reposting of your statistics but there are not any
DarthNefarius wrote:Listen to Dr E you obviously haven't... he states in the writing of a graph the percentage of Eve doing incursion he also states the number of peeps living in WH's ( ergo the the number of people doing sites is less unless 100% of them are). This is kind of the point, you've clearly never run wormholes, yet have chosen to comment on them. The number of people running wormhole sites is not <= the number of people living in them.
People scan down sites in high sec, jump in and run c1/c2 wormholes in their drakes or overpriced tengus. Similarly, people scan down C3s in low sec and do the same, a lot of major null sec alliances scan down c5/c6 whs and have entire capital ops where they jump in and clear capital escalation sites. In fact recently I think -A- took over a few WH systems for this very purpose.
None of these people live in wormholes, they live in high sec, low sec and null sec, yet they likely contribute just as much to the total amount of blue loot farmed as any WH dweller. And this is why your stats are completely useless, because the number of people living in wormholes, which is hard to calculate accurately anyway, is not even remotely related to the number of people raiding wormholes for PvE content.
DarthNefarius wrote:If you cannot connect the dots & do the math I suggest remedial algebra. So where are your numbers comming from ( oh wait there are no numbers so yours are straight outta your bum ) It would be nice if there was a published number of peeps doing WH sites but the numbers he provides just shows the people doing Incursion sites ( HI/LO/NULL ) vs the number living in WH space. If you're talking about the graph showing the number of incursions runners that is fairly useless for your purposes for the reason stated above. But, assuming it was useful, that looks like ~17,000 people running incursions, right?
How many active subscribers does Eve online have? >400,000 as of last month? And 5.4% of them are in wormholes?
400,000 x 0.054 = 21,600
So there are 4,000 more people "living" in wormholes, than there are running incursions? Oh wow, and people raid WHs on top of that?
Now GTFO Darth and never try and use statistics to support your terrible ideas again.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
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Zagdul
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
606
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Posted - 2012.05.09 18:14:00 -
[311] - Quote
Mars Theran wrote:[quote=DarthNefarius][quote=Derth Ramir]
You also have to consider time investment here. Wormholers probably have one of the highest time requirements placed on them with regard to managing their POSs, mining Gasses, Scanning, and running Sleeper sites which aren't exactly as common as missions or even remotely frequent spawners. Then there is just general time spent scouting and watching and spying/surveiling, which accounts for almost half of any wormholers time in game provided they actually make an effort and don't just show up to blow up Sleepers.
In all, it has a high burnout factor for anyone that actually invests in it actively in game, and you want to take away the one relatively guaranteed payout for all that time invested. Good job. Wormholes pale in comparison to null sec sov holding in terms of costs incurred.
And we're forced to sell our harvested resources on the market just like everyone else. No NPC buy orders outside the overseers artifacts which are rare.
It's not rocket surgery. |
Ayn Randy
Aura of Darkness Nulli Secunda
7
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Posted - 2012.05.09 18:21:00 -
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Wormholes vs Incursions comes down to Risk vs Reward.
In wormholes, you could lose everything. Doing highsec incursions your pretty safe hoarding your isk.
Wormholes wont get nerfed, if you wanna make the kinda isk they make then why dont you take the same risks? |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
968
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Posted - 2012.05.09 18:46:00 -
[313] - Quote
Zagdul wrote:Mars Theran wrote:[quote=DarthNefarius][quote=Derth Ramir]
You also have to consider time investment here. Wormholers probably have one of the highest time requirements placed on them with regard to managing their POSs, mining Gasses, Scanning, and running Sleeper sites which aren't exactly as common as missions or even remotely frequent spawners. Then there is just general time spent scouting and watching and spying/surveiling, which accounts for almost half of any wormholers time in game provided they actually make an effort and don't just show up to blow up Sleepers.
In all, it has a high burnout factor for anyone that actually invests in it actively in game, and you want to take away the one relatively guaranteed payout for all that time invested. Good job. Wormholes pale in comparison to null sec sov holding in terms of costs incurred. And we're forced to sell our harvested resources on the market just like everyone else. No NPC buy orders outside the overseers artifacts which are rare. Overseers artifacts? You mean the personal effects from rated sites? I used to get about 7 or more of them a day when I was in sov null :) I did have one hell of a system for farming rated sites though :P and they do need to be transported for sale, unlike incursion payouts.
But mainly just the sheer effort required to find and run the sites far exceeds the effort required to farm incursions.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
186
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Posted - 2012.05.09 22:09:00 -
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Simi Kusoni wrote:[How many active subscribers does Eve online have? >400,000 as of last month? And 5.4% of them are in wormholes?
400,000 x 0.054 = 21,600
So there are 4,000 more people "living" in wormholes, than there are running incursions? Oh wow, and people raid WHs on top of that?
Now GTFO Darth and never try and use statistics to support your terrible ideas again.
Go read Q4 QEN 2010 in order to figure out how the numbers of residents in Wormholes is calculated. Dr E's chart in fanfest 2012 said 5% of Eve's characters were running Incursions too. CCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally" |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
968
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Posted - 2012.05.09 22:16:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:Simi Kusoni wrote:[How many active subscribers does Eve online have? >400,000 as of last month? And 5.4% of them are in wormholes?
400,000 x 0.054 = 21,600
So there are 4,000 more people "living" in wormholes, than there are running incursions? Oh wow, and people raid WHs on top of that?
Now GTFO Darth and never try and use statistics to support your terrible ideas again.
Go read Q4 QEN 2010 in order to figure out how the numbers of residents in Wormholes is calculated. Dr E's chart in fanfest 2012 said 5% of Eve's characters were running Incursions too. The data I used was from sources linked and used by yourself, I did these quick calculations purely to show the errors in your own calculations that used the same data.
I have no idea if the results are actually accurate, CCP statistics tend to have enormous unspecified margins of error, they fluctuate wildly between various posts and the methodology by which CCP arrives at them is often never explained.
And you still don't understand that the number of people running wormhole sites is greater than the number living in them. Genius.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
Apolyon I
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
35
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Posted - 2012.05.09 22:47:00 -
[316] - Quote
as far as I see, inflation getting worse when ppl started farming the f out of incursion.
why didnt inflation started right when incursion was out??? Because ppl didnt know how to farm them back there.
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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
186
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Posted - 2012.05.09 23:26:00 -
[317] - Quote
Apolyon I wrote:as far as I see, inflation getting worse when ppl started farming the f out of incursion. why didnt inflation started right when incursion was out??? Because ppl didnt know how to farm them back there.
Put your glasses on & look at the chart again. The big inflation spike started before Incursion sites were introduced. There was actually a deflationary period the 1-2 months after the farming agreement was put in place in late April early May. Then there was another spike again in september. Farming was started in earnest in May with an agreement between the armor & shield fleets. CCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally" |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
186
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Posted - 2012.05.09 23:30:00 -
[318] - Quote
Simi Kusoni wrote:
The data I used was from sources linked and used by yourself, I did these quick calculations purely to show the errors in your own calculations that used the same data.
No it wasn't you lie. Your statistics are way off & further show how of the mark your assumptions are. CCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally" |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
968
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Posted - 2012.05.09 23:51:00 -
[319] - Quote
DarthNefarius wrote:Simi Kusoni wrote:
The data I used was from sources linked and used by yourself, I did these quick calculations purely to show the errors in your own calculations that used the same data.
No it wasn't you lie. Your statistics are way off & further show how of the mark your assumptions are. All of the statistics used to disprove your analysis came from the sources that you yourself used:
*Just to clarify these above are the sources you posted, exactly how you posted them in this post.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
970
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Posted - 2012.05.09 23:58:00 -
[320] - Quote
And just to unbury it (again) here is the specific part of my post disproving your analysis using that data:
DarthNefarius wrote:If you cannot connect the dots & do the math I suggest remedial algebra. So where are your numbers comming from ( oh wait there are no numbers so yours are straight outta your bum ) It would be nice if there was a published number of peeps doing WH sites but the numbers he provides just shows the people doing Incursion sites ( HI/LO/NULL ) vs the number living in WH space. If you're talking about the graph showing the number of incursions runners that is fairly useless for your purposes for the reason stated above. But, assuming it was useful, that looks like ~17,000 people running incursions, right?
How many active subscribers does Eve online have? >400,000 as of last month? And 5.4% of them are in wormholes?
400,000 x 0.054 = 21,600
So there are 4,000 more people "living" in wormholes, than there are running incursions? Oh wow, and people raid WHs on top of that?
Now GTFO Darth and never try and use statistics to support your terrible ideas again.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
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Mr Bigwinky
4U Services Inc. Talocan United
223
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Posted - 2012.05.10 08:48:00 -
[321] - Quote
This guy hates anything that affects his precious little incursion running. Stupidly arrogant and stubborn too. Generally, if EVERYONE disagrees with you, it isn't everyone else. Welcome to EVE online, here's your rubix cube, go F*** yourself GÖÑ |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4179
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Posted - 2012.05.10 09:25:00 -
[322] - Quote
i see you're still upset over your safe little isk farming being nerfed "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
seany1212
eXceed Inc. No Holes Barred
164
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Posted - 2012.05.10 09:58:00 -
[323] - Quote
Andski wrote:i see you're still upset over your safe little isk farming being nerfed
Darth nefarius has no wormhole knowledge therefore cannot really comment and is merely throwing his toys out of the pram because incursions got nerfed. Risk vs. Reward and considering capitals are often used in the higher classes with the potential for wormholes to spawn in from anywhere at any time its as risky as it gets.
Edit: damn autocorrect lol |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
186
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Posted - 2012.05.10 16:54:00 -
[324] - Quote
seany1212 wrote:Andski wrote:i see you're still upset over your safe little isk farming being nerfed Darth nefarius has no wormhole knowledge therefore cannot really comment and is merely throwing his toys out of the pram because incursions got nerfed. Risk vs. Reward and considering capitals are often used in the higher classes with the potential for wormholes to spawn in from anywhere at any time its as risky as it gets. Edit: damn autocorrect lol
I know enough how to read statistics & numbers Seany... so how many characters do you believe reside in W-Space? CCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally" |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
970
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Posted - 2012.05.10 17:03:00 -
[325] - Quote
Darth stop evading it every time you get your arse handed to you in a debate, and either post a logical and reasoned argument or just accept defeat.
Face it, you've lost this thread. You may as well let it die rather than continuously post empty comments. To be honest I am surprised CCP haven't locked it yet.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
Mr Bigwinky
4U Services Inc. Talocan United
224
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Posted - 2012.05.11 08:36:00 -
[326] - Quote
Darth reminds me of a guy I attacked who informed me that him self-destructing his thanatos in his POS was a win. 1 - 0. Past stubborn, these guys are delusional. Welcome to EVE online, here's your rubix cube, go F*** yourself GÖÑ |
Michael1995
Lead Farmers Academy Kill It With Fire
14
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Posted - 2012.05.11 08:59:00 -
[327] - Quote
DarthNefarius wrote:
-I am not exagerating. Blue loot is a bigger ISK injector then Incursion payouts.
-CCP's Escalation to Inferno NERFing b!tch slapped HI SEC (thru Incursion site time increases) & Lo SEC (Drone poo anhilation& Incursions NERF) PvE Incomes yet left W-Space scot free. Expect a mass migration there over the summer.
Blue loot is a bigger ISK injector because MORE people are RUNNING the sites to GET them!
So more people are coming to Wormholes? Are you joining them? If so, more targets for us!
Kthxbai! One does not simply buy their way into Goonswarm. |
Sirinda
Lead Farmers Academy Kill It With Fire
93
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Posted - 2012.05.11 09:03:00 -
[328] - Quote
Definitely bigger than you incursion payouts, Darth. |
Aron Croup
Incompatible Protocol Bittervet Mercenaries
94
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Posted - 2012.05.11 09:13:00 -
[329] - Quote
DarthNefarius wrote:Incursions getting nerfed & drone alloys getting nerfed why are the blue loot NPC buy orders not getting nerfed to to help with the inflation?!?! The Pax Amarrian nerf was a good precendent of a NPC sell order which was balanced next the sleeper blue loot NPC buy order should be cut in the name of balance. A possible bounty 10% cut is being thrown around too by CCP Soundwave. Only one currenntly smelling like a rose is the Wormhole residents with the Escalation to Inferno. Lets have the current inflation mean the end fo Empire NPC's no longer being able to affford to buy sleeper crap (NPC buy orders) which is non ribbons (blue loot) which acually adds something to Eve & empire ( at least with Incursions Capsuleers are providing a service to Empire residents what has blueloot added to Empire's security? ) . LETS HAVE EVERYONE FEEL THE PAIN OF ESCALATING INFERNO[:!: A pox on EVERYONE'S house
Sleepers do not have bounties, which is why they drop the blue loot. CCP Soundwave merely mentioned that at some point in the future it may become necessary to cut bounties by 10% but that doesn't mean they won't cut blue loot drops by 10% at the same time.
Other than that, there is still the risk vs reward element. Wormholes are a lot more dangerous to operate in than doing incursions in high-sec or ratting in null-sec. You cannot miss using your d-scan, even for just 30 seconds without risking losing all your ships, as there is no other warning that you are about to be attacked, not to mention that the cost of living in a wormhole is significantly higher than the cost of living in empire.
All in all, you sound pretty butthurt and I don't see the merit in your argument that because one ISK income is nerfed all others should be nerfed as well.
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Samillian
Moonshine Industries The Last Chancers.
140
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Posted - 2012.05.11 10:29:00 -
[330] - Quote
Aron Croup wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:Incursions getting nerfed & drone alloys getting nerfed why are the blue loot NPC buy orders not getting nerfed to to help with the inflation?!?! The Pax Amarrian nerf was a good precendent of a NPC sell order which was balanced next the sleeper blue loot NPC buy order should be cut in the name of balance. A possible bounty 10% cut is being thrown around too by CCP Soundwave. Only one currenntly smelling like a rose is the Wormhole residents with the Escalation to Inferno. Lets have the current inflation mean the end fo Empire NPC's no longer being able to affford to buy sleeper crap (NPC buy orders) which is non ribbons (blue loot) which acually adds something to Eve & empire ( at least with Incursions Capsuleers are providing a service to Empire residents what has blueloot added to Empire's security? ) . LETS HAVE EVERYONE FEEL THE PAIN OF ESCALATING INFERNO[:!: A pox on EVERYONE'S house Sleepers do not have bounties, which is why they drop the blue loot. CCP Soundwave merely mentioned that at some point in the future it may become necessary to cut bounties by 10% but that doesn't mean they won't cut blue loot drops by 10% at the same time. Other than that, there is still the risk vs reward element. Wormholes are a lot more dangerous to operate in than doing incursions in high-sec or ratting in null-sec. You cannot miss using your d-scan, even for just 30 seconds without risking losing all your ships, as there is no other warning that you are about to be attacked, not to mention that the cost of living in a wormhole is significantly higher than the cost of living in empire. All in all, you sound pretty butthurt and I don't see the merit in your argument that because one ISK income is nerfed all others should be nerfed as well.
Your wasting your time I'm afraid, Darth ignores completely any post that brings up the higher risks and logistical costs or difficulties of living in WH space and concentrates only on the potential ISK earned. He doesn't believe in taking into consideration any facts that might detract from his argument.
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4201
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Posted - 2012.05.11 10:36:00 -
[331] - Quote
Samillian wrote:Your wasting your time I'm afraid, Darth ignores completely any post that brings up the higher risks and logistical costs or difficulties of living in WH space and concentrates only on the potential ISK earned. He doesn't believe in taking into consideration any facts that might detract from his argument.
according to him hisec incursions are the riskiest pve in the game because sometimes (read: one in a blue moon) you lose expensive ships to rats "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Degren
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
293
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Posted - 2012.05.11 22:31:00 -
[332] - Quote
Oh look, this thread is back. People have a hard time determining what words mean. Words. -á |
Tasiv Deka
Ganked And T Bagged
38
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Posted - 2012.05.12 09:36:00 -
[333] - Quote
This thread has gone on long enough to not even be remotely entertaining anymore...
You know I was going to explain this in a dignified manner, however i see that big words confuse you...
Picture Two Pies
One is Wormholes now yes this pie is a little bigger (maybe 2% larger) than the other one... However this pie is split between 8 people.
The other pie (Incursion-berry Flavored) is just a little bit smaller than the Wormhole pie... however this one is only being shared by 5 people...
Now who is getting more pie? I I I I I I I I
Hint if you say the wormhole kids are getting more you need to go back to the fourth grade and beg your math teacher to not hit you with a stapler
I I I I V Answer: The Incursion eaters get more pie overall
Bonus Question: Whats riskier Empire Space or Wormhole Space, Hint: Pirates in Empire dont get much from ganking your ship... Pirates in Wormhole Get everything they would in Empire AND all the Sleeper tags/Ribbons you may be hauling to market...
DOUBLE BONUS: What type of farming is more sustainable:
Answer: Incursions Explanation: The last week of wormhole life i have only ran sites (not including clearing sleepers on a grav site) two nights, speaking with a former Incursion runner he could viably run Incursions every day of the week if he had felt like it. Nathan Jameson: "Are we playing the same game? You do **** in EVE because you can. " way to go ccp making me have to change things around just to get a good signature |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
188
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Posted - 2012.05.12 12:02:00 -
[334] - Quote
Simi Kusoni wrote:Darth stop evading it every time you get your arse handed to you in a debate, and either post a logical and reasoned argument or just accept defeat.
Face it, you've lost this thread. You may as well let it die rather than continuously post empty comments. To be honest I am surprised CCP haven't locked it yet.
Simi do a little research & you could argue your point sooo much better with real math!!! So How many characters live in WH Space according to Dr E? & how much was your math off by? ( on a side not why does Dr E's graph in fanfest 2012 say 5% of Eve's population has been doing Incursions? ) CCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally" |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
982
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Posted - 2012.05.12 12:27:00 -
[335] - Quote
DarthNefarius wrote:Simi Kusoni wrote:Darth stop evading it every time you get your arse handed to you in a debate, and either post a logical and reasoned argument or just accept defeat.
Face it, you've lost this thread. You may as well let it die rather than continuously post empty comments. To be honest I am surprised CCP haven't locked it yet. Simi do a little research & you could argue your point sooo much better with real math!!! So How many characters live in WH Space according to Dr E? & how much was your math off by? ( on a side not why does Dr E's graph in fanfest 2012 say 5% of Eve's population has been doing Incursions? ) So what you are saying is that the CCP statistics you were using are incredibly speculative, highly innacurate and unverifiable?
Well done for finally understanding the point I was making. Have a space cookie.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
Selinate
859
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Posted - 2012.05.12 14:13:00 -
[336] - Quote
Are you serious? We take the most risk out of ANYONE in Eve, by far. At any given time while we're running sleeper sites, a new WH can pop up connecting to a hostile WH system and a hostile fleet can suddenly come in and blow up billions and billions of isk in an instant while we're running the sites we need to do to make isk. If WH's inject as much isk as incursions (I doubt this), then it's incursions that need to be nerfed, not WH's. You take away the blue loot, you take away a large portion of the income for the members in WH space that they need just to fund their activities.
This has to be one of the worst ideas I've ever seen. Go back under your bridge. |
Selinate
859
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Posted - 2012.05.12 14:21:00 -
[337] - Quote
Mara Rinn wrote:[quote=Roime]
Blue loot is just the same as bounties for everyone else. Why should they get nerved? People are leaving wormholes to go run Incursions because Incursions are so much easier and safer!
They are absolutely not. We have to get our loot out of the WH in order to sell it and make isk off of it. That means either waiting for a high sec exit and carrying around billions of accumulated loot in a hauler, or trying to carry it through other WH systems or low sec. It's MUCH harder for us to profit off of the blue loot. |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
188
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Posted - 2012.05.16 20:10:00 -
[338] - Quote
Selinate wrote:Are you serious? We take the most risk out of ANYONE in Eve, by far. At any given time while we're running sleeper sites, a new WH can pop up connecting to a hostile WH system and a hostile fleet can suddenly come in and blow up billions and billions of isk in an instant while we're running the sites we need to do to make isk. If WH's inject as much isk as incursions (I doubt this), then it's incursions that need to be nerfed, not WH's. You take away the blue loot, you take away a large portion of the income for the members in WH space that they need just to fund their activities.
This has to be one of the worst ideas I've ever seen. Go back under your bridge.
WH's inject more ISK into Eve its a fact tweeted by CCP Diagoras. Looks up a little and you'll see the ling to Two Step's blog. Escalation & Inferno has left W-space untouched. CCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally" |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
1001
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Posted - 2012.05.16 20:12:00 -
[339] - Quote
:insert previous 16 pages of arguments here:
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
Selinate
871
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Posted - 2012.05.16 20:44:00 -
[340] - Quote
DarthNefarius wrote:Selinate wrote:Are you serious? We take the most risk out of ANYONE in Eve, by far. At any given time while we're running sleeper sites, a new WH can pop up connecting to a hostile WH system and a hostile fleet can suddenly come in and blow up billions and billions of isk in an instant while we're running the sites we need to do to make isk. If WH's inject as much isk as incursions (I doubt this), then it's incursions that need to be nerfed, not WH's. You take away the blue loot, you take away a large portion of the income for the members in WH space that they need just to fund their activities.
This has to be one of the worst ideas I've ever seen. Go back under your bridge. WH's inject more ISK into Eve its a fact tweeted by CCP Diagoras. Looks up a little and you'll see the ling to Two Step's blog. Escalation & Inferno has left W-space untouched.
They should be left untouched. Anyone who disagrees should try living in one, and then subsequently come back here to complain about how they lost their ship within 30 seconds of moving in.
Go cry somewhere else, you're full of it. |
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Mr Bigwinky
4U Services Inc. Talocan United
226
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Posted - 2012.05.17 12:16:00 -
[341] - Quote
Selinate wrote:They should be left untouched. Anyone who disagrees should try living in one, and then subsequently come back here to complain about how they lost their ship within 30 seconds of moving in.
Go cry somewhere else, you're full of it. And by it, he means shit. Welcome to EVE online, here's your rubix cube, go F*** yourself GÖÑ |
Karloth Valois
1st. Pariah Malefactor corp.
25
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Posted - 2012.05.17 12:40:00 -
[342] - Quote
Selinate wrote:They should be left untouched. Anyone who disagrees should try living in one, and then subsequently come back here to complain about how they lost their ship within 30 seconds of moving in.
Go cry somewhere else, you're full of it.
This is the best point of the topic for two reason. 1st if you are bitching and moaning that Wormholes make more money than you, move into one and make that insane unfair amount of money for yourself...see you in a few weeks when your crying that you cant fuel your POS/make any isk because your hauler to sell it all got blown up trying to get a weeks worth of income to market/got blown up by someone not in local/sleepers are too hard with there pesky neuting and shooting at your lowest resist
2nd reason, you are full of **** It's not been nice, but thanks for using lube
1st. Pariah Malefactor Corp. |
Samillian
Moonshine Industries The Last Chancers.
151
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Posted - 2012.05.17 15:04:00 -
[343] - Quote
Honestly Darth I admire your ability to totally ignore any facts that you find inconvenient. |
Morganta
Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia
1143
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Posted - 2012.05.17 16:07:00 -
[344] - Quote
Apolyon I wrote:maybe because wh offers REAL isk
fixed that for you monocle-boy
The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy |
Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
424
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Posted - 2012.05.17 16:13:00 -
[345] - Quote
DarthNefarius wrote:WH's inject more ISK into Eve its a fact tweeted by CCP Diagoras. Looks up a little and you'll see the ling to Two Step's blog. Escalation & Inferno has left W-space untouched. WH's are occupied by more people than ran incursions, wh's are more dangerous than incursions and WH's don't just make your wallet flash...
Working as intended.
Wormholes: The *NEW* end game of Eve - Online: No Local. No Lag. No Blues (No Intell Channesl). No Blobs.
NEW FEATURE: NO INCARNA! |
Apolyon I
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
40
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Posted - 2012.05.17 19:54:00 -
[346] - Quote
Morganta wrote:Apolyon I wrote:maybe because wh offers REAL isk fixed that for you monocle-boy real risk generates risk isk, you jelly??? |
Bane Nucleus
The Kairos Syndicate Transmission Lost
51
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Posted - 2012.05.17 20:52:00 -
[347] - Quote
Apolyon I wrote:Morganta wrote:Apolyon I wrote:maybe because wh offers REAL isk fixed that for you monocle-boy real risk generates risk isk, you jelly???
LOL @ monocle-boy. Apo, you make friends so easy. |
saltrock0000
Obsessive Compulsive Disasters
54
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Posted - 2012.05.17 22:00:00 -
[348] - Quote
Apolyon I wrote:maybe because wh offers REAL risk
Really????
The only "risk" in a wormhole is you forget to hit that scan button every 5-10 seconds and look for combat probes. |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
1012
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Posted - 2012.05.17 22:40:00 -
[349] - Quote
saltrock0000 wrote:Apolyon I wrote:maybe because wh offers REAL risk Really???? The only "risk" in a wormhole is you forget to hit that scan button every 5-10 seconds and look for combat probes. I have met quite a few players that believe that. They see the combats out and instantly warp off to a safe, before leaving the way they came in. Problem is I've usually been watching them, and log in on the other side of the wormhole just as they warp to it.
Other times I just find them on directional and warp straight into their site after getting a warp in with my alt, decloaking as I land on them. Depends on the ship though, since the sleepers have an annoying tendency to swap targets I don't usually do that if I'm in recons.
Either way, people who use combats are idiots. The only time you should ever be using combat probes inside or outside of wormholes is if someone is in a safe spot or a mission. Even safe spots you can get without probes if they made the spot in line between two celestials.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
Apolyon I
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
40
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Posted - 2012.05.18 03:45:00 -
[350] - Quote
Bane Nucleus wrote:Apolyon I wrote:Morganta wrote:Apolyon I wrote:maybe because wh offers REAL isk fixed that for you monocle-boy real risk generates risk isk, you jelly??? LOL @ monocle-boy. Apo, you make friends so easy. I know, this monocle thingy works everytime |
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Mr Bigwinky
4U Services Inc. Talocan United
227
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Posted - 2012.05.18 08:55:00 -
[351] - Quote
saltrock0000 wrote:Apolyon I wrote:maybe because wh offers REAL risk Really???? The only "risk" in a wormhole is you forget to hit that scan button every 5-10 seconds and look for combat probes. Hahahaha.. okay confirming that I need combats to catch you.
Don't worry about the HICs we have on the wormholes or that dictor we warped to your POS, alligned to where you are and cloaked.
You're not safe. Not ever.
Even if you do manage to make it to your POS, if you acted this way when I connected to your system, i'd just remove your f*cking POS, not many WH entities take too kindly to pansy-ass farmers who don't fight. Welcome to EVE online, here's your rubix cube, go F*** yourself GÖÑ |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
1015
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Posted - 2012.05.18 09:02:00 -
[352] - Quote
Mr Bigwinky wrote:saltrock0000 wrote:Really????
The only "risk" in a wormhole is you forget to hit that scan button every 5-10 seconds and look for combat probes. Hahahaha.. okay confirming that I need combats to catch you. Don't worry about the HICs we have on the wormholes or that dictor we warped to your POS, alligned to where you are and cloaked. You're not safe. Not ever. Even if you do manage to make it to your POS, if you acted this way when I connected to your system, i'd just remove your f*cking POS, not many WH entities take too kindly to pansy-ass farmers who don't fight. Look on the bright side, some of these imbeciles who think you need combats in wormholes are probably going to be trying out wh space soon.
Time to farm me some free c1/c2 tengu kills.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
Samillian
Moonshine Industries The Last Chancers.
154
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Posted - 2012.05.18 09:37:00 -
[353] - Quote
saltrock0000 wrote:Apolyon I wrote:maybe because wh offers REAL risk Really???? The only "risk" in a wormhole is you forget to hit that scan button every 5-10 seconds and look for combat probes.
WHspace corps killboards are stuffed with people who think like you, keep up the good work. |
Gorki Andropov
Kerensky Initiatives
443
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Posted - 2012.05.18 09:45:00 -
[354] - Quote
DARTH NEFARIOUS, I AM PETITIONING THIS THREAD'S TITLE BECAUSE OF IT'S WANTON RACISM |
Tasiv Deka
Ganked And T Bagged
38
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Posted - 2012.05.18 15:17:00 -
[355] - Quote
Gorki Andropov wrote:DARTH NEFARIOUS, I AM PETITIONING THIS THREAD'S TITLE BECAUSE OF IT'S WANTON RACISM Petition the OP because of his Wanton whining... now i want wantons... to the Chinese Resturaunt Nathan Jameson: "Are we playing the same game? You do **** in EVE because you can. " way to go ccp making me have to change things around just to get a good signature |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
211
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Posted - 2012.06.04 08:52:00 -
[356] - Quote
Simi Kusoni wrote:Mr Bigwinky wrote:saltrock0000 wrote:Really????
The only "risk" in a wormhole is you forget to hit that scan button every 5-10 seconds and look for combat probes. Hahahaha.. okay confirming that I need combats to catch you. Don't worry about the HICs we have on the wormholes or that dictor we warped to your POS, alligned to where you are and cloaked. You're not safe. Not ever. Even if you do manage to make it to your POS, if you acted this way when I connected to your system, i'd just remove your f*cking POS, not many WH entities take too kindly to pansy-ass farmers who don't fight. Look on the bright side, some of these imbeciles who think you need combats in wormholes are probably going to be trying out wh space soon. Time to farm me some free c1/c2 tengu kills.
So how has that improved the bottoming out of T3 prices while all other ships have increased in price since Escalation? EVE residents: 5% WH; 8% Lowsec; 15% Nullsec; 72% Highsec.CSM 7: 1 highsec resident out of 14.CSM demographics vs EVE demographics, nothing to worry about... |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
1157
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Posted - 2012.06.04 09:01:00 -
[357] - Quote
DarthNefarius wrote:Simi Kusoni wrote:Mr Bigwinky wrote:saltrock0000 wrote:Really????
The only "risk" in a wormhole is you forget to hit that scan button every 5-10 seconds and look for combat probes. Hahahaha.. okay confirming that I need combats to catch you. Don't worry about the HICs we have on the wormholes or that dictor we warped to your POS, alligned to where you are and cloaked. You're not safe. Not ever. Even if you do manage to make it to your POS, if you acted this way when I connected to your system, i'd just remove your f*cking POS, not many WH entities take too kindly to pansy-ass farmers who don't fight. Look on the bright side, some of these imbeciles who think you need combats in wormholes are probably going to be trying out wh space soon. Time to farm me some free c1/c2 tengu kills. So how has that improved the bottoming out of T3 prices while all other ships have increased in price since Escalation? Oh god, you revived this thread again?!
And we've said before, we don't care about T3 prices. People are back running wormholes, T3s are still relatively expensive, life goes on.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
seany1212
Zat's Affiliated Traders Originally Riotous Corps
184
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Posted - 2012.06.04 09:06:00 -
[358] - Quote
Simi Kusoni wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:Simi Kusoni wrote:Mr Bigwinky wrote:saltrock0000 wrote:Really????
The only "risk" in a wormhole is you forget to hit that scan button every 5-10 seconds and look for combat probes. Hahahaha.. okay confirming that I need combats to catch you. Don't worry about the HICs we have on the wormholes or that dictor we warped to your POS, alligned to where you are and cloaked. You're not safe. Not ever. Even if you do manage to make it to your POS, if you acted this way when I connected to your system, i'd just remove your f*cking POS, not many WH entities take too kindly to pansy-ass farmers who don't fight. Look on the bright side, some of these imbeciles who think you need combats in wormholes are probably going to be trying out wh space soon. Time to farm me some free c1/c2 tengu kills. So how has that improved the bottoming out of T3 prices while all other ships have increased in price since Escalation? Oh god, you revived this thread again?! And we've said before, we don't care about T3 prices. People are back running wormholes, T3s are still relatively expensive, life goes on.
Not empty quoting. While you continue to rage about incursions, incursion runners are returning to wormholes and creating more T3 related goods. Cant believe you necro'd this thread |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
757
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Posted - 2012.06.04 09:06:00 -
[359] - Quote
Wait are you saying that the increase in ship prices is somehow related to the incursion nerf and not the removal of drone alloys and massive overhaul of loot tables eh |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
211
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Posted - 2012.06.04 09:17:00 -
[360] - Quote
Richard Desturned wrote:Wait are you saying that the increase in ship prices is somehow related to the incursion nerf and not the removal of drone alloys and massive overhaul of loot tables
No I am saying the DECREASE in the price of T3 ships is directly related to the Incursion nerf
I do believe that other ship prices increases are due the removal of drone alloys and massive overhaul of loot tables EVE residents: 5% WH; 8% Lowsec; 15% Nullsec; 72% Highsec.CSM 7: 1 highsec resident out of 14.CSM demographics vs EVE demographics, nothing to worry about... |
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Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
1157
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Posted - 2012.06.04 09:25:00 -
[361] - Quote
Richard Desturned wrote:Wait are you saying that the increase in ship prices is somehow related to the incursion nerf and not the removal of drone alloys and massive overhaul of loot tables Darth believes that WH inhabitants returning to running WHs is a bad thing, and that we should for whatever reason be opposed to it.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
622
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Posted - 2012.06.04 09:58:00 -
[362] - Quote
Simi Kusoni wrote:Mr Bigwinky wrote:saltrock0000 wrote:Really????
The only "risk" in a wormhole is you forget to hit that scan button every 5-10 seconds and look for combat probes. Hahahaha.. okay confirming that I need combats to catch you. Don't worry about the HICs we have on the wormholes or that dictor we warped to your POS, alligned to where you are and cloaked. You're not safe. Not ever. Even if you do manage to make it to your POS, if you acted this way when I connected to your system, i'd just remove your f*cking POS, not many WH entities take too kindly to pansy-ass farmers who don't fight. Look on the bright side, some of these imbeciles who think you need combats in wormholes are probably going to be trying out wh space soon. Time to farm me some free c1/c2 tengu kills.
No doubt.
It's been weeks since I've had to use combats, and that's only because someone left a badger in space somewhere.
We want breast augmentations and sluttier clothing in the NeX! |
Seishi Maru
doMAL S.A.
19
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Posted - 2012.06.04 11:13:00 -
[363] - Quote
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:It seems it's not clear enough why WHs income is fine.
Incursions pay so extremely well (and much more than L4) because OH MY GOSH you had to find a proper fleet. End of.
C4+ (where money is to be made) WHs *begin* from finding a proper fleet and then add all the risks of 0.0 space and then add unique risks of no local chat space and then add the nightmare logistics, and then add the AWFUL "live at POS" (only those who had to do it know the full extent of PAIN of it) and then add Sleepers AI. And if you get podded, you are boned. The 12 inches pillar in the ass kind of boned.
To be fair Its not so easy to gather a 20 people fleet for assaults on anytime but a 2 hour interval every day. And HW fleets nowadays are very hard to form up. The risk on incursions is that you are thrusting unknown people! You get into a fleet not knowing if those guys will keep you properly repaired etc, and very few corps have enough people to run HQs by themselves.
I already lost a navy apoc with faction stuff because of unprepared fleet members that kept spamming need shield need cap as fast as possible and made the logis miss my true need armor broadcast. We do also loose ships as expensive as wormhole ones. Less than in wormhole sure.. but in a much more furstrating and idiotic way.
Wormhole risk is larger, but you have more oportunity of interesting stuff other than incursion sit posting your fit in chat for 2-3 hours until you get a a fleet ( I am no kidding, since the nerf that is the time you might have to wait).
Wormhole On my view are ok. But ccp shoudl introduce MOREt3 stuff so that the market on wormhole products become more stable and complex. This woudl allow for mroe peopel farming but with increased demands to keep the income high. |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
760
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Posted - 2012.06.04 11:22:00 -
[364] - Quote
DarthNefarius wrote:No I am saying the DECREASE in the price of T3 ships is directly related to the Incursion nerf
I do believe that other ship prices increases are due the removal of drone alloys and massive overhaul of loot tables
t3s are cheaper woooot eh |
Apolyon I
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
64
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Posted - 2012.06.04 15:25:00 -
[365] - Quote
T3s cheaper --> more ppl buy them -->> quality demand rise.
I dont see anything bad thing about this.
Darth, move on, dont need to show us again and again how butthurt you are |
Chokichi Ozuwara
Royal One Piece Corporation Deadly Unknown
257
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Posted - 2012.06.04 15:39:00 -
[366] - Quote
It's pretty obvious Darth hasn't spent a day in a WH yet. Tears will be shed and pants will need to be changed all round. |
Darth Tickles
Dark Sun Consortium
610
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Posted - 2012.06.04 16:07:00 -
[367] - Quote
I'm def doing WH spelunking next time I actually get a chance to play some solid Eve again.
Sounds so cool and different. |
N'maro Makari
The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative
80
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Posted - 2012.06.04 16:12:00 -
[368] - Quote
I too enjoy walking down the streets of Edinburgh in my mankini whilst pounding a tambourine. N'maro Makari Director of Public Relations The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative |
Rahmiro
Wormhole Exploration Crew R.E.P.O.
7
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Posted - 2012.06.04 17:06:00 -
[369] - Quote
Why ask for a nerf? Just cometh to the fountain of isk that is wormholes. There are plenty of empty C5's and C6's for you and yours to exploit! Drink, drink from the fountain! No one lurks. No ones sees as you quench your thirst and fill you belly.
WH corps welcome you. |
Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy Black Sun Alliance
200
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Posted - 2012.06.04 17:12:00 -
[370] - Quote
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:There is one thing that needs to be nerfed if all these others go into effect.. AFK Cloaking. Not sure about Wormholes tho.
Here we go again.... AFK cloaking has never been a problem; they are no threat. The active cloakers are the ones you need to worry about.. but you can't get away with a nerf demand for active play so you demonize the mechanic claimiing that AFK cloaking is out of control and they are harming you. Anyone see a pattern?
"miners are all bots.. so lets nerf them and kill them with wild abandon." "Gee that worked so well lets try it with cloaking."
Remove the cloaked from local unless they chat.. no one should know there are cloakers AFK or otherwise using free local intel. [IMG]http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a208/DawnFrostbringer/OldST.jpg[/IMG] |
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BoBoZoBo
MGroup9
20
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Posted - 2012.06.04 19:01:00 -
[371] - Quote
HAHA - You're comparing HiSec to W-Space?!?
the problem is that I dont need to spend 700million a month to keep a large POS in HiSec to protect my earnings while exposing myself to an environment deadlier than nullsec and WITHOUT local to help notify me of bad company.
Go spend a month there, then we can consider your proposal. BoBoZoBoCEO of TheRealm |
Tasiv Deka
Ganked And T Bagged
42
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Posted - 2012.06.04 19:07:00 -
[372] - Quote
BoBoZoBo wrote:HAHA - You're comparing HiSec to W-Space?!?
the problem is that I dont need to spend 700million a month to keep a large POS in HiSec to protect my earnings while exposing myself to an environment deadlier than nullsec and WITHOUT local to help notify me of bad company.
Go spend a month there, then we can consider your proposal.
You know that brings up a good point... i will be okay with a decrease in blue loot prices if and only if ccp puts ice into WH space and does so at a relatively normal rate My TLDRs are usually still pretty long... so buck up and read it because usually when someone talks that much theyre either a politician or they have something important to say... sometimes both... but not usually |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
223
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Posted - 2012.06.08 06:37:00 -
[373] - Quote
Tasiv Deka wrote:BoBoZoBo wrote:HAHA - You're comparing HiSec to W-Space?!?
the problem is that I dont need to spend 700million a month to keep a large POS in HiSec to protect my earnings while exposing myself to an environment deadlier than nullsec and WITHOUT local to help notify me of bad company.
Go spend a month there, then we can consider your proposal. You know that brings up a good point... i will be okay with a decrease in blue loot prices if and only if ccp puts ice into WH space and does so at a relatively normal rate
lol putting Ice fields in wormhole space would be 1 stop closer to just making wormhole space into its own server shard CCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally" |
Disregard That
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
57
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Posted - 2012.06.08 06:44:00 -
[374] - Quote
DarthNefarius wrote:Tasiv Deka wrote:BoBoZoBo wrote:HAHA - You're comparing HiSec to W-Space?!?
the problem is that I dont need to spend 700million a month to keep a large POS in HiSec to protect my earnings while exposing myself to an environment deadlier than nullsec and WITHOUT local to help notify me of bad company.
Go spend a month there, then we can consider your proposal. You know that brings up a good point... i will be okay with a decrease in blue loot prices if and only if ccp puts ice into WH space and does so at a relatively normal rate lol putting Ice fields in wormhole space would be 1 stop closer to just making wormhole space into its own server shard 3000 star systems without water ice floating in any belts, anywhere?
Yeah, that's reasonable. |
Victoria Sin
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.06.08 06:46:00 -
[375] - Quote
DarthNefarius wrote:Digital Messiah wrote:1. they are not a faucet, because they do not bring in more isk as a number they simply use what is already floating around.
. bull crap SLEEPER BLUE LOOT is a ISK faucet pure & simple because it injects ISK into Eve through NPC buy orders!
But... CCP must know what the isk sink v isk faucet ratio is for WH. I mean ships destroyed, POS's abandoned, etc.
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Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
1190
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Posted - 2012.06.08 06:47:00 -
[376] - Quote
BoBoZoBo wrote:HAHA - You're comparing HiSec to W-Space?!?
the problem is that I dont need to spend 700million a month to keep a large POS in HiSec to protect my earnings while exposing myself to an environment deadlier than nullsec and WITHOUT local to help notify me of bad company.
Go spend a month there, then we can consider your proposal. Hmm, I think wh space being more dangerous is questionable. Sure, in null you may lose a few less ships if you are careful, but as a small corp inside a month you'll have had your POS torn down and you'll probably have attracted at least one person like me. Who will leave an alt in your home system 24/7, preventing your members from PvEing indefinitely.
Also, Darth, I admire your fanaticism but I worry for your mental stability.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
223
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Posted - 2012.06.08 06:50:00 -
[377] - Quote
Victoria Sin wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:Digital Messiah wrote:1. they are not a faucet, because they do not bring in more isk as a number they simply use what is already floating around.
. bull crap SLEEPER BLUE LOOT is a ISK faucet pure & simple because it injects ISK into Eve through NPC buy orders! But... CCP must know what the isk sink v isk faucet ratio is for WH. I mean ships destroyed, POS's abandoned, etc.
The ISK faucet right now I bet 100 million ISK is 3X greater then Incursions with blue loot after the Escalation NERF. The Materials puping out of WH's must be huge in the orm o PI & nano ribbons. CCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally" |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
1190
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Posted - 2012.06.08 07:01:00 -
[378] - Quote
ABLOOBLOO
I think CCP should nerf incursions again just so we can have more threads like these.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
Tasiv Deka
Ganked And T Bagged
43
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Posted - 2012.06.08 07:03:00 -
[379] - Quote
DarthNefarius wrote:Tasiv Deka wrote:BoBoZoBo wrote:HAHA - You're comparing HiSec to W-Space?!?
the problem is that I dont need to spend 700million a month to keep a large POS in HiSec to protect my earnings while exposing myself to an environment deadlier than nullsec and WITHOUT local to help notify me of bad company.
Go spend a month there, then we can consider your proposal. You know that brings up a good point... i will be okay with a decrease in blue loot prices if and only if ccp puts ice into WH space and does so at a relatively normal rate lol putting Ice fields in wormhole space would be 1 stop closer to just making wormhole space into its own server shard
hah no i still love coming out to low and null to wreak havoc... plus gotta sell and buy other stuff My TLDRs are usually still pretty long... so buck up and read it because usually when someone talks that much theyre either a politician or they have something important to say... sometimes both... but not usually |
Stalafur
State War Academy Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2012.06.08 07:09:00 -
[380] - Quote
Nooo, not the wormhole! They try to burns the precious! *Scuttles into his wormhole hermit pos* |
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Apolyon I
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
73
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Posted - 2012.06.08 07:28:00 -
[381] - Quote
Simi Kusoni wrote:ABLOOBLOO
I think CCP should nerf incursions again just so we can have more threads like these. that'd be too harsh. they should just leave it as it is now since all the isk farmers, whiny carebears are gone.
what left is a real community run it for fun and socialization |
Alice Saki
Analog Folk SRS.
98
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Posted - 2012.06.08 07:52:00 -
[382] - Quote
Don't **** with my Wormhole. http://tinyurl.com/RifterDeath My Rifter Adventure in Null |
catinboots
Vintage heavy industries
3
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Posted - 2012.06.08 08:00:00 -
[383] - Quote
DarthNefarius wrote:Incursions getting nerfed & drone alloys getting nerfed why are the blue loot NPC buy orders not getting nerfed to to help with the inflation?!?! The Pax Amarrian nerf was a good precendent of a NPC sell order which was balanced next the sleeper blue loot NPC buy order should be cut in the name of balance. A possible bounty 10% cut is being thrown around too by CCP Soundwave. Only one currenntly smelling like a rose is the Wormhole residents with the Escalation to Inferno. Lets have the current inflation mean the end fo Empire NPC's no longer being able to affford to buy sleeper crap (NPC buy orders) which is non ribbons (blue loot) which acually adds something to Eve & empire ( at least with Incursions Capsuleers are providing a service to Empire residents what has blueloot added to Empire's security? ) . LETS HAVE EVERYONE FEEL THE PAIN OF ESCALATING INFERNO[:!: A pox on EVERYONE'S house are you suggesting WH dellers are having a easy time ? Pardon me but you need to join a Dedicated WH corp , because honestly i think you have no clue what so ever what you are talking about So this is permanence |
Alice Saki
Analog Folk SRS.
99
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Posted - 2012.06.08 08:06:00 -
[384] - Quote
So... Do you Spam D-scan when you run incursions? I did not think so. http://tinyurl.com/RifterDeath My Rifter Adventure in Null |
Stalafur
State War Academy Caldari State
8
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Posted - 2012.06.08 08:41:00 -
[385] - Quote
Wormholes are practically twice as hard, you have to deal with rats that switch targets, Drain cap, warp scram and you have to scan down sites to even warp to them. There is no local, no one is daft enough to speak in local. It is a element of surprise but extremely sucks if three bombs uncloak and bomb your men. D-Scan? no feasible on cloakers.
So I can safely say that Wormhole is pretty hard and twice the risk but the rewards are plentiful. |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
1190
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Posted - 2012.06.08 10:08:00 -
[386] - Quote
Stalafur wrote:Wormholes are practically twice as hard, you have to deal with rats that switch targets, Drain cap, warp scram and you have to scan down sites to even warp to them. There is no local, no one is daft enough to speak in local. It is a element of surprise but extremely sucks if three bombs uncloak and bomb your men. D-Scan? no feasible on cloakers. So I can safely say that Wormhole is pretty hard and twice the risk but the rewards are plentiful. Am I the only one that chats in local in WHs?
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
Godfrey Silvarna
Stargates and Smuggler Barons
15
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Posted - 2012.06.08 10:33:00 -
[387] - Quote
So much delicious butthurt, decorated with tasty tears.
Sorry, but the risk/reward ratio in vanguard incursions was completely broken. Now it has been repaired and you will just have to deal with it.
Getting out of highsec might be a good start. |
aoe dps
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.06.08 10:36:00 -
[388] - Quote
nothing makes me happier than to see a 15+ page troll thread :D common guys, this was all bull troll's billy goat gruff from page one! i am a posting alt. |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
1190
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Posted - 2012.06.08 10:45:00 -
[389] - Quote
aoe dps wrote:nothing makes me happier than to see a 15+ page troll thread :D common guys, this was all bull troll's billy goat gruff from page one! View Darth's post history, he isn't a troll. Just a bit fixated on vanguards and ISK.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
aoe dps
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.06.08 11:03:00 -
[390] - Quote
ill take your word for it, over reading.
man I'm cool looking i am a posting alt. "He doesn't believe in taking into consideration any facts that might detract from his argument" |
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Royal Jedi
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
18
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Posted - 2012.06.08 14:43:00 -
[391] - Quote
You sound mad highsec pubby...
You mean you can't harvest rediculous isk anymore, without any risk whatsoever?!?
I feel so bad for you.... Not... stop shitting up the WH forums and go cry elsewhere... |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
1190
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Posted - 2012.06.08 15:03:00 -
[392] - Quote
Royal Jedi wrote:You sound mad highsec pubby...
You mean you can't harvest rediculous isk anymore, without any risk whatsoever?!?
I feel so bad for you.... Not... stop shitting up the WH forums and go cry elsewhere... This was originally posted in general discussion, I presume a dev quietly moved it in the hope it would kill the thread.
Unfortunately Darth keeps reviving the thread regardless, and has made another terrible thread with a similar theme in GD to replace it.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
AdZc
Legio Prima Victrix Imperius Legio Victrix
6
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Posted - 2012.06.08 16:09:00 -
[393] - Quote
DarthNefarius wrote:Incursions getting nerfed & drone alloys getting nerfed why are the blue loot NPC buy orders not getting nerfed to to help with the inflation?!?! The Pax Amarrian nerf was a good precendent of a NPC sell order which was balanced next the sleeper blue loot NPC buy order should be cut in the name of balance. A possible bounty 10% cut is being thrown around too by CCP Soundwave. Only one currenntly smelling like a rose is the Wormhole residents with the Escalation to Inferno. Lets have the current inflation mean the end fo Empire NPC's no longer being able to affford to buy sleeper crap (NPC buy orders) which is non ribbons (blue loot) which acually adds something to Eve & empire ( at least with Incursions Capsuleers are providing a service to Empire residents what has blueloot added to Empire's security? ) . LETS HAVE EVERYONE FEEL THE PAIN OF ESCALATING INFERNO[:!: A pox on EVERYONE'S house
Whine whine whine whine, by the looks of your posts on other forums u are extremely butthurt. |
Anikeran
14
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Posted - 2012.06.08 17:18:00 -
[394] - Quote
Why nerf wormholes? The risk-to-isk is perfect. And don't compare carebear welfare incursions in hi-sec with no danger to the perils of wormhole space :). |
Diego Sarmoti
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
0
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Posted - 2012.06.08 17:56:00 -
[395] - Quote
did this thread get moved? Talk about throwing a lamb in the lions den. |
WInter Borne
Cold Station 12 Surely You're Joking
7
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Posted - 2012.06.08 18:09:00 -
[396] - Quote
DarthNefarius wrote:Incursions getting nerfed & drone alloys getting nerfed why are the blue loot NPC buy orders not getting nerfed to to help with the inflation?!?! The Pax Amarrian nerf was a good precendent of a NPC sell order which was balanced next the sleeper blue loot NPC buy order should be cut in the name of balance. A possible bounty 10% cut is being thrown around too by CCP Soundwave. Only one currenntly smelling like a rose is the Wormhole residents with the Escalation to Inferno. Lets have the current inflation mean the end fo Empire NPC's no longer being able to affford to buy sleeper crap (NPC buy orders) which is non ribbons (blue loot) which acually adds something to Eve & empire ( at least with Incursions Capsuleers are providing a service to Empire residents what has blueloot added to Empire's security? ) . LETS HAVE EVERYONE FEEL THE PAIN OF ESCALATING INFERNO[:!: A pox on EVERYONE'S house So are you whining because you couldnt hack it in wspace or are you just this angry at everyone who makes more money than you? |
QT McWhiskers
Hard Knocks Inc.
11
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Posted - 2012.06.08 18:28:00 -
[397] - Quote
Im so glad incursions are **** now. With all of these high SP characters looking for a new home... they might come back to wormholes. And since they are too used to their safety in high sec, it means I will personally be getting tons of extra kills. TONS.
This scrub wants to nerf blue loot yet makes no mention of the thousands, yes thousands, of people killed in high value ships per WEEK in W-space. He obviously has no idea how terrible he is, and how dangerous we are. Thank you to the mod that moved this thread in here. You seriously gave us all something to laugh at eternally. |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
1197
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Posted - 2012.06.08 18:37:00 -
[398] - Quote
QT McWhiskers wrote:Im so glad incursions are **** now. With all of these high SP characters looking for a new home... they might come back to wormholes. And since they are too used to their safety in high sec, it means I will personally be getting tons of extra kills. TONS.
This scrub wants to nerf blue loot yet makes no mention of the thousands, yes thousands, of people killed in high value ships per WEEK in W-space. He obviously has no idea how terrible he is, and how dangerous we are. Thank you to the mod that moved this thread in here. You seriously gave us all something to laugh at eternally. The idea of moving a "nerf wormholes" thread to the wormhole section is quite simply a stroke of genius by whichever dev is responsible.
This thread is certainly going to get a warm reception in a sub-forum full of wormhole pilots.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
Fudge Sinful
Hard Knocks Inc.
1
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Posted - 2012.06.08 18:49:00 -
[399] - Quote
ITT: Bitter hisec carebear is totes jelly about wormholers' mad jewgold.
Also.....
DarthNefarius wrote:& drone alloys getting nerfed
Not quite sure how a mineral faucet being changed into an isk faucet helps your argument any...
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Major Killz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
9
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Posted - 2012.06.08 20:30:00 -
[400] - Quote
I do believe it's time to NERF worm holes. I'd also like worm holes to show up on my overview without having to scan for them. |
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Apolyon I
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
75
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Posted - 2012.06.08 20:33:00 -
[401] - Quote
DarthNefarius wrote: Pretty much sounds like it. I'm surprised W-Space survived the beating it must have taken from the entrenched NULL SECcers whines. I guess the combined whines of NULL & WHolers was too much.
quote from another thread |
Windorian
Leeole's Legion
29
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Posted - 2012.06.08 20:48:00 -
[402] - Quote
Gotta love these snot-nosed Carebear threads.
Incursions in high sec used to pay what, 150 mil/isk an hour?
I live in a C3, and TOP payout i can expect is 160 mil isk/hour
Now add in the 1 hour it took to scan out the system and map all exits
Now add in the 1/2 an hour it takes to close all invading WH's (like you should, for security)
Now add in the 1/2 an hour it takes to salvage
Now i'm only making 80 mil isk/hour. Good isk, sure, but...
I'm doing all of this in 0.0 space, HUGE RISK I'm runnign sites that don't even need to be probed, HUGE RISK There is no local, so i don't even know if someone is watching me and waiting to gank me, HUGE RISK I have to take the goods out, just to be paid, which means i can lose a whole week's worth of loot in one instant , HUGE RISK
So yeah, i'm making great isk, but compared to incursions, i'm making a similar isk amount with atleast 5X more risk to my personal ships and assets.
Show me a incursion pilot who regularly makes 80 mil isk/hour, then ask him if he'd still do it if he had to go to null sec, had no local, and had to WAIT for the isk for a week. |
Ayeson
Hard Knocks Inc.
38
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Posted - 2012.06.08 20:50:00 -
[403] - Quote
Major Killz wrote:I do believe it's time to NERF worm holes. I'd also like worm holes to show up on my overview without having to scan for them.
Go on... Ask me about Rengas-dar, HRDKX's Most recent, groundbreaking, game-changing, wormhole-collapsing research endeavour. |
Royal Jedi
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
19
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Posted - 2012.06.08 21:16:00 -
[404] - Quote
Major Killz wrote:I do believe it's time to NERF worm holes. I'd also like worm holes to show up on my overview without having to scan for them.
HAHA! Good troll, bro! |
Mattalious
The Marmarati
0
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Posted - 2012.06.08 23:07:00 -
[405] - Quote
Wormhole Space should automatically show who's in system, and you should be able to stabilise wormholes for weeks on end, and they should allow titans to pass through ALL levels of wormholes. |
Royal Jedi
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
19
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Posted - 2012.06.08 23:30:00 -
[406] - Quote
Mattalious wrote:Wormhole Space should automatically show who's in system, and you should be able to stabilise wormholes for weeks on end, and they should allow titans to pass through ALL levels of wormholes.
+1 |
Katalci
Creative Cookie Procuring Veto Corp
98
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Posted - 2012.06.09 00:04:00 -
[407] - Quote
Wormholes and highsec incursions have the same level of risk, right? |
Qui Shon
Capital Construction Research Pioneer Alliance
11
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Posted - 2012.06.09 00:44:00 -
[408] - Quote
QT McWhiskers wrote:This scrub wants to nerf blue loot yet makes no mention of the thousands, yes thousands, of people killed in high value ships per WEEK in W-space.
See, the fact that everyone and their grandmother flies bling these days in w-space, actually speaks for nerfing w-space income, not against it. Speaks quite loudly for it, in fact.
When even the plebs bathe in gold, time for a change.
Hisec Incursions were of course worse. Worse for the economy, because they had so many people doing them, and worse for peoples sensibilities, because there was very little risk. |
Gonzo TheGreat
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
18
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Posted - 2012.06.09 01:59:00 -
[409] - Quote
Ah, this thread again ! |
Kalel Nimrott
Wishful Desires Inc. Armada Assail
12
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Posted - 2012.06.09 02:45:00 -
[410] - Quote
Qui Shon wrote:QT McWhiskers wrote:This scrub wants to nerf blue loot yet makes no mention of the thousands, yes thousands, of people killed in high value ships per WEEK in W-space. See, the fact that everyone and their grandmother flies bling these days in w-space, actually speaks for nerfing w-space income, not against it. Speaks quite loudly for it, in fact. When even the plebs bathe in gold, time for a change. Hisec Incursions were of course worse. Worse for the economy, because they had so many people doing them, and worse for peoples sensibilities, because there was very little risk.
You can actually afford to fly expensive ships with expe sivs mods after a really good time in wspace. First months are actually to settle and pay for ypur investment. And don even mention those of us who needs to put plexs on both accouts due to the fact that I cannot give myself the luxury of paying both of them (something about a wife who insists on buying food, prepay health insurance and clthing for the kid..., nasty stuff, rally). So, it takes a while to do some real isk. |
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Kalel Nimrott
Wishful Desires Inc. Armada Assail
12
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Posted - 2012.06.09 05:15:00 -
[411] - Quote
Cell phone went Jacko, Wacko, Dot on me again. |
Qui Shon
Capital Construction Research Pioneer Alliance
11
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Posted - 2012.06.09 10:10:00 -
[412] - Quote
Kalel Nimrott wrote:Qui Shon wrote:QT McWhiskers wrote:This scrub wants to nerf blue loot yet makes no mention of the thousands, yes thousands, of people killed in high value ships per WEEK in W-space. See, the fact that everyone and their grandmother flies bling these days in w-space, actually speaks for nerfing w-space income, not against it. Speaks quite loudly for it, in fact. When even the plebs bathe in gold, time for a change. Hisec Incursions were of course worse. Worse for the economy, because they had so many people doing them, and worse for peoples sensibilities, because there was very little risk. You can actually afford to fly expensive ships with expe sivs mods after a really good time in wspace. First months are actually to settle and pay for ypur investment. And don even mention those of us who needs to put plexs on both accouts due to the fact that I cannot give myself the luxury of paying both of them (something about a wife who insists on buying food, prepay health insurance and clthing for the kid..., nasty stuff, rally). So, it takes a while to do some real isk.
You're right, I can, and I've been doing it since April 2009. Haven't paid real money for any of my accounts since 2009 either. Which is why I know quite well that W-space income needs a nerf, via lowering npc buy orders. |
Kalel Nimrott
Wishful Desires Inc. Armada Assail
12
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Posted - 2012.06.09 14:56:00 -
[413] - Quote
No, it doesn`t. I been doing them since 2010 and I can tell you that they are fine as they are right now. They are hard to understand and they are risky to do. You have to be very good at them or do things RIGHT to not get blown up to bits in an enviroment were you can lose everything in a mistake. Yeah, high reward. And keep my pockets filled up while I do things right doesn`t seem unbalanced. But if you want a nerf or your blues, just send them to me! |
Qui Shon
Capital Construction Research Pioneer Alliance
11
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Posted - 2012.06.09 15:18:00 -
[414] - Quote
Kalel Nimrott wrote:Yeah, high reward. And keep my pockets filled up while I do things right doesn`t seem unbalanced. But if you want a nerf or your blues, just send them to me!
It's a question of degree, naturally. Right now you can just look at the big blobfight kb reports and see that there's entirely too much isk floating around in W-space.
I want my blues nerfed, because I want your blues nerfed. Now seriously, would a 10% drop in npc buyorder price (in line with the rest of the PvE reward changes) really be so bad? I wouldn't care a bit, as far as my personal income is concerned.
But if it meant a 10% drop of bling in the blobs, that'd be grand.
Now mind you, I don't know what lower class sites pay out, my main issue is with higher class sites, aka C5-C6, and the cap spawns, which is just too easy isk. Which shows in the ships and fits everyone flies nowadays, in high class w-space.
OR, if you want this to be a stupid flame fest which some here seem to love, I could say that if you've been doing them since 2010 and struggle to pay for two measly accounts as well as bits and bobs and ships, you're obviously not doing them right.
But that would not be constructive. |
Godfrey Silvarna
Stargates and Smuggler Barons
17
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Posted - 2012.06.09 16:12:00 -
[415] - Quote
Qui Shon wrote:Kalel Nimrott wrote:Yeah, high reward. And keep my pockets filled up while I do things right doesn`t seem unbalanced. But if you want a nerf or your blues, just send them to me! It's a question of degree, naturally. Right now you can just look at the big blobfight kb reports and see that there's entirely too much isk floating around in W-space. I want my blues nerfed, because I want your blues nerfed. Now seriously, would a 10% drop in npc buyorder price (in line with the rest of the PvE reward changes) really be so bad? I wouldn't care a bit, as far as my personal income is concerned. But if it meant a 10% drop of bling in the blobs, that'd be grand. Now mind you, I don't know what lower class sites pay out, my main issue is with higher class sites, aka C5-C6, and the cap spawns, which is just too easy isk. Which shows in the ships and fits everyone flies nowadays, in high class w-space. OR, if you want this to be a stupid flame fest which some here seem to love, I could say that if you've been doing them since 2010 and struggle to pay for two measly accounts as well as bits and bobs and ships, you're obviously not doing them right. But that would not be constructive. Tweaking the despawn mechanics of escalated sites might do the trick without having to touch prices. |
Apolyon I
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
76
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Posted - 2012.06.09 16:13:00 -
[416] - Quote
everyone agree payouts is fine with the risk
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=13601461
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=13301497
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=13512760
find me any other place this could happen then we talk about nerf
EDIT: I guess because CCRES never pvp and carebear whole day, just nerf CCRES income and we're good |
Diego Sarmoti
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
0
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Posted - 2012.06.09 16:18:00 -
[417] - Quote
Qui Shon wrote:
It's a question of degree, naturally. Right now you can just look at the big blobfight kb reports and see that there's entirely too much isk floating around in W-space.
I want my blues nerfed, because I want your blues nerfed. Now seriously, would a 10% drop in npc buyorder price (in line with the rest of the PvE reward changes) really be so bad? I wouldn't care a bit, as far as my personal income is concerned.
How does kb reports support lowering isk payouts? That statement is mind-numbingly tenuous to your point and you could say the same about null and high sec (OMG look at that bling mission golem, guess it's time to nerf xyz). One could also point to the fact that people in wh's are going to be slightly more inclined to pvp more ( kb kills is due to more people that want pvp rather than an abundance of isk).
Cap escalations are risky, trust me. Not to mention all the dudes who SD rather than give the km. Plus all the caps lost trying to make their bearing "safe."
It's terribad that you guys are calling for less isk. I say add more pvp RISK if you think things need to be tweaked. Talking about an awful mindset. Think more pvp and less pve.
PS. CCRES I thought was well aware of the risk in wh's? |
Uinuva Karma
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
39
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Posted - 2012.06.09 16:57:00 -
[418] - Quote
What the **** is this shitthread doing here?
This in an Incursion whine thread that belongs to the carebear forum or GD.
OP is nothing but a troll. Captain Kirk didn't stay in hisec.-á
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Kalel Nimrott
Wishful Desires Inc. Armada Assail
12
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Posted - 2012.06.09 18:22:00 -
[419] - Quote
Qui Shon wrote:Kalel Nimrott wrote:Yeah, high reward. And keep my pockets filled up while I do things right doesn`t seem unbalanced. But if you want a nerf or your blues, just send them to me! It's a question of degree, naturally. Right now you can just look at the big blobfight kb reports and see that there's entirely too much isk floating around in W-space. I want my blues nerfed, because I want your blues nerfed. Now seriously, would a 10% drop in npc buyorder price (in line with the rest of the PvE reward changes) really be so bad? I wouldn't care a bit, as far as my personal income is concerned. But if it meant a 10% drop of bling in the blobs, that'd be grand. Now mind you, I don't know what lower class sites pay out, my main issue is with higher class sites, aka C5-C6, and the cap spawns, which is just too easy isk. Which shows in the ships and fits everyone flies nowadays, in high class w-space. OR, if you want this to be a stupid flame fest which some here seem to love, I could say that if you've been doing them since 2010 and struggle to pay for two measly accounts as well as bits and bobs and ships, you're obviously not doing them right. But that would not be constructive.
You didn`t have to do this a stupid flame fest, but you did. Noticed. On the other hand, I was doing PRETTY well in a previous C3 until stupidly we were out of it losing everything in. Then there was this C2, but wasn`t as good as the C3 that I was used to, so I was not intensive doing things. We a new blood injection we moved again to a C3 and as we were getting used again to the sites and stuff, we are struggling but getting the job done. Doing it wrong?, more like not commiting to it. But **** happens. BTW, I thought you guys weren`t doing WH anymore since that thing with ARHAM and KnR
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Qui Shon
Capital Construction Research Pioneer Alliance
11
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Posted - 2012.06.09 20:11:00 -
[420] - Quote
Godfrey Silvarna wrote:Tweaking the despawn mechanics of escalated sites might do the trick without having to touch prices.
True. Could also just adjust how much Guardians drop.
Apolyon I wrote:EDIT: I guess because CCRES never pvp and carebear whole day, just nerf CCRES income and we're good CCRES doesn't exist anymore, only me left now after my almost 2 year break, so your silly attempt and an insult can be put to me directly just as well, it won't be any more effective while trying to attack my old corp
Diego Sarmoti wrote:One could also point to the fact that people in wh's are going to be slightly more inclined to pvp more ( kb kills is due to more people that want pvp rather than an abundance of isk).
Nah, what you'll see is more bling, rather then more fights. Power creep, where reasonably priced stuff, the kind that forms the majority of fights in null and low, is not competitive without really lopsided numbers.
Diego Sarmoti wrote:Cap escalations are risky, trust me. Bwahaha. Now you're funny. I've been doing them, alone, since 2009. So why should I trust your bs?
And what does SDing people have to do with ?
Diego Sarmoti wrote:It's terribad that you guys are calling for less isk. I say add more pvp RISK if you think things need to be tweaked. Talking about an awful mindset. Think more pvp and less pve.
More risk would be great, but what w-space really needs is mechanic change to return it more towards what originally set it apart from low and null, i.e. small entities operating in small gangs. Break this cycle of ever bigger blobs and ever more bling. But it also needs more unpredictability, w-space population has matured into entities so organized that the existing mechanics are mere speedbumps, rather then roadblocks that need navigating around, for big blobs to operate. |
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Qui Shon
Capital Construction Research Pioneer Alliance
11
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Posted - 2012.06.09 20:16:00 -
[421] - Quote
Kalel Nimrott wrote:BTW, I thought you guys weren`t doing WH anymore since that thing with ARHAM and KnR
Again, there is no "you guys", just me. So I'm free to **** off much of W-space "community" by arguing for reduced isk and increased difficulty of operating large blobs, nobody else will suffer for my forum whoring
PS. Assuming you mean RnK I wasn't aware ccres had had a "thing" with them. But I've been away for almost two years so who knows. Don't really care either, mind. |
Diego Sarmoti
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
0
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Posted - 2012.06.09 21:45:00 -
[422] - Quote
Qui Shon wrote:Again, there is no "you guys", just me. So I'm free to **** off much of W-space "community" by arguing for reduced isk and increased difficulty of operating large blobs, nobody else will suffer for my forum whoring
First you say you've been doing cap escalations by yourself for years, then in the next sentence you've been away for two years. And yet you proclaim to have the current 411 on wh life.
Self-destruction is still a ship loss = risk. You, being from CCRES are familiar with this function of the game, yes? Caps are lost all the time in w-space.. bunches of them are recorded... I'm guessing at least half aren't.
I don't know what la-la land you were in during your 2 year "omg we got rolfcurbstomped so bad we didn't want to show by aharm, now I'm quitting" hiatus, but wow CCRES talking about how non-risky wh space is... just too rich to bother with.
If anything you are just making the argument that there should be MORE isk and risk in wh's not less, so self-righteous four-account care-bears have everything to worry about each time the roll out their "bling" If they have one tower in a C5+, it should be worthwhile for people to kick them out. As it stands, it's marginal at best.
If you haven't found small gang warfare in (or from) wh's you simply aren't looking. There is no arguing that, it's just a fact. There are real risks and real rewards. |
Apolyon I
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
77
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Posted - 2012.06.09 22:00:00 -
[423] - Quote
Qui Shon wrote:Kalel Nimrott wrote:BTW, I thought you guys weren`t doing WH anymore since that thing with ARHAM and KnR
Again, there is no "you guys", just me. So I'm free to **** off much of W-space "community" by arguing for reduced isk and increased difficulty of operating large blobs, nobody else will suffer for my forum whoring PS. Assuming you mean RnK I wasn't aware ccres had had a "thing" with them. But I've been away for almost two years so who knows. Don't really care either, mind. Darth V2.0 |
Ryoken McKeon
Monoideism Annex Group Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
10
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Posted - 2012.06.09 23:42:00 -
[424] - Quote
OP, if WH income is so good why don't you try your hand? No balls. |
rofflesausage
State War Academy Caldari State
28
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Posted - 2012.06.10 01:41:00 -
[425] - Quote
No local No hotdrops No easy jump freighter logistics No easy gate camps No station docking games Actual effort required to get back in once you've been podded
Lets leave the holes to the pros, eh?
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Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
1201
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Posted - 2012.06.10 01:48:00 -
[426] - Quote
rofflesausage wrote:No local No hotdrops No easy jump freighter logistics No easy gate camps No station docking games Actual effort required to get back in once you've been podded
Lets leave the holes to the pros, eh?
Oh for the love of god especially that one.
Jump freighters have to have been one of the silliest things ever to be implemented in this game. I also quite like the way WHs tend to encourage fighting in space, rather than on gates or stations.
Either way, the "look at the shiny kills" argument used above is silly. Shiny fits like that are common in null sec, low sec and high sec. The main difference is that in null sec, low sec and high sec those ships very rarely actually die. Hence, no kill mails.
And no, I don't live in WH space. I live in low sec, and it's pretty damn safe.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
Qui Shon
Capital Construction Research Pioneer Alliance
11
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Posted - 2012.06.10 06:23:00 -
[427] - Quote
Diego Sarmoti wrote:Qui Shon wrote:Again, there is no "you guys", just me. So I'm free to **** off much of W-space "community" by arguing for reduced isk and increased difficulty of operating large blobs, nobody else will suffer for my forum whoring First you say you've been doing cap escalations by yourself for years, then in the next sentence you've been away for two years. And yet you proclaim to have the current 411 on wh life.
Lol, not been doing them continuously ofc (mind staggers at the trillions I'd have if I had been doing w-space PvE constantly), but did 'em for the first couple years, and been doing them again after coming back. Soon I shall have amassed enough isk to never need to do PvE again, and it'll be all pew from there on.
Quote:You, being from CCRES are familiar with this function of the game, yes?[ No, me, being me, am familiar with the game. Why do you want to drag my old corp into it all the time?
Quote:I don't know what la-la land you were in during your 2 year "omg we got rolfcurbstomped so bad we didn't want to show by aharm, now I'm quitting" hiatus, but wow CCRES talking about how non-risky wh space is... just too rich to bother with.
Ahahaa, now I know why you want to drag the corp in, you lack angles to attack me personally with, so you think attacking ccres will win you forum pvp points, as if this was coad or you knew anything about it. PS. if you're still too stupid to get it, it isn't "ccres" talking, it's me, Qui Shon.
But okay, I'll give your silly flames some fuel, it might be fun. I "quit" before aharm and their merc horde kicked us out. but I came back for that last stand, and it felt like quite some effort just to move my ships and alts back in. It was perhaps my greatest disappointment in game so far when there was no fight to be had, but that doesn't bother me anymore.
CCRES had already gone from winning every engagement vs aharm and almost everything vs other corps and being on top of w-space during the first year, to losing half the fights and to finally becoming a corp where I couldn't stay in home system for a day without raging at some ******* who failed at copying bookmarks (only to have an later-to-be-discovered-as aharm spy defend them, further pissing me off and driving me away from home). When aharm and their merc horde finally kicked us out, they achieved parity in isk destroyed/lost vs CCRES (all those faction towers), and then went on to become one of if not the top corp of w-space, while ccres continued dying a slow death. And now it's officially dead, so your no doubt continuing attacks will be against a corpse
Quote:If they have one tower in a C5+, it should be worthwhile for people to kick them out. As it stands, it's marginal at best. Lul, I used to kick out small corps like that all on my own, back in the good old days. It was always worthwhile, because I enjoyed it, even when they sd:d everything. |
Diego Sarmoti
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
2
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Posted - 2012.06.10 08:10:00 -
[428] - Quote
You have yet to make a valid point as to why wh blue isk needs to be nerfed. So far is been bitter vet diatribe against bling, lame (faulty) logic mixed with a dash of contradiction... so yeah I feel it's fair game to point out some history for other readers (poor souls) of this awful thread so they can have a point of reference.
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Qui Shon
Capital Construction Research Pioneer Alliance
11
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Posted - 2012.06.10 09:02:00 -
[429] - Quote
Diego Sarmoti wrote:You have yet to make a valid point as to why wh blue isk needs to be nerfed. So far is been bitter vet diatribe against bling, lame (faulty) logic mixed with a dash of contradiction... so yeah I feel it's fair game to point out some history for other readers (poor souls) of this awful thread so they can have a point of reference.
Backpedaling already? It's too late for you to appear as a non-flamer now. I expected better flaming tbh. Or none at all if it was discussion you wanted, but on page 20+ almost nobody will want that. |
Apolyon I
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
78
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Posted - 2012.06.10 09:16:00 -
[430] - Quote
whiny old hag can't keep up with the game anymore wants everyone plays the game his way
sound like those risk-adverse carebears whining about complete safety in hisec |
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Qui Shon
Capital Construction Research Pioneer Alliance
11
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Posted - 2012.06.10 09:38:00 -
[431] - Quote
Lol, now that's more what I expected yeah. But maybe it was unfair to Diego to expect the same **** from him as you spew out in every thread Apo |
joes Bazooka
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
9
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Posted - 2012.06.10 10:15:00 -
[432] - Quote
You guys need to get a room and have free hugs. |
Mallak Azaria
193
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Posted - 2012.06.10 13:21:00 -
[433] - Quote
DarthNefarius wrote:Blue loot is a ISK FOUNTAIN that injects as much ISK into the EVE economy as incursions do on a monthly basis
Except there's a major difference to them. Wormholes are a high-risk venture, running incursions in highsec was not.
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Kalel Nimrott
Wishful Desires Inc. Armada Assail
12
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Posted - 2012.06.10 14:39:00 -
[434] - Quote
I remember two years ago Mr. Bigwinsky tought me a lesson how not to lose a badger II with 700mill worth in loot while doing a chain of TWO w-system to hisec in his nice proteous (if I remember correctly). Tell me if that is no risky environment or not suited for the dumb? |
Diego Sarmoti
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
2
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Posted - 2012.06.10 18:42:00 -
[435] - Quote
Qui Shon wrote: Backpedaling already? It's too late for you to appear as a non-flamer now. I expected better flaming tbh. Or none at all if it was discussion you wanted, but on page 20+ almost nobody will want that.
I told you why nobody takes you (and the op) seriously, if that is backpedaling in your book, fine by me. |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
1206
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Posted - 2012.06.10 20:19:00 -
[436] - Quote
Good news guys, Darth is finally unsubbing this week.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1454100#post1454100
It seems adapting is too hard, he's going to leave because he can't make any ISK. Everyone be sure to add him to watch list and mock him if he's still online in 7 days.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
G0hme
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
11
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Posted - 2012.06.10 22:00:00 -
[437] - Quote
Ceeeeeeeelebrate good times COME ON! Dudu du du Shook Eelm's hand at Fanfest 2012 |
Substantia Nigra
Polaris Rising Gentlemen's Agreement
742
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Posted - 2012.06.11 03:16:00 -
[438] - Quote
I canGÇÖt see why the fuss about GÇÿblue lootGÇÖ. They are simply the sleeper analogue of the other ratsGÇÖ bounties. Rather than CONCORD, or whoever, paying you a bounty when you kill a pirat you get the grab those blue things from the wrecks and later various NPCs in empire space will buy them from you for a fixed amount. Just like other rats you also get to salvage the wrecks and, unlike most other rats, you can get some pretty nice salvage items GǪ subject to the incessant GÇÿCCP nerfed melted dropsGÇÖ moans.
Making your isk from Sleeper-PvE is a whole different game to hisec missions or incursions, or even lowsec / nullsec plexes. Not only are you GÇÿrattingGÇÖ in a very hostile environment (no-sec and no-local) but you do not realise a single milli-isk in income until you also haul your takings to empire space and to a system where you can sell it on the market. My biggest single loss in eve was around 5 billion GǪ hauling a few weeks of sleeper takings thru hisec to market. IGÇÖd got it safely out of w-space, thru an adjoining C2, but stupidly ran the 4-jump hisec route in my hauler rather than 20+ jumping a fenrir / orca / prowler over to pick it up. It was an expensive lesson, and a major delay for the get-subs-a-jump-freighter program.
Obviously the nerf-everything brigade are gonna want to nerf w-space too GǪ but IMO being a bear in w-space is a whole different thing to PvE anywhere else in eve. You can certainly earn a lot of isk, but not without surmounting some pretty major risks GǪ even during the hisec phases of converting your PvE to isk.
We can build and sell pretty much every ship. Check my bio for details. Our pirate epic arc completion packages really are very good: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=12973&find=unread |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
1206
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Posted - 2012.06.11 04:09:00 -
[439] - Quote
Substantia Nigra wrote:I canGÇÖt see why the fuss about GÇÿblue lootGÇÖ. They are simply the sleeper analogue of the other ratsGÇÖ bounties. Rather than CONCORD, or whoever, paying you a bounty when you kill a pirat you get the grab those blue things from the wrecks and later various NPCs in empire space will buy them from you for a fixed amount. Just like other rats you also get to salvage the wrecks and, unlike most other rats, you can get some pretty nice salvage items GǪ subject to the incessant GÇÿCCP nerfed melted dropsGÇÖ moans.
Making your isk from Sleeper-PvE is a whole different game to hisec missions or incursions, or even lowsec / nullsec plexes. Not only are you GÇÿrattingGÇÖ in a very hostile environment (no-sec and no-local) but you do not realise a single milli-isk in income until you also haul your takings to empire space and to a system where you can sell it on the market. My biggest single loss in eve was around 5 billion GǪ hauling a few weeks of sleeper takings thru hisec to market. IGÇÖd got it safely out of w-space, thru an adjoining C2, but stupidly ran the 4-jump hisec route in my hauler rather than 20+ jumping a fenrir / orca / prowler over to pick it up. It was an expensive lesson, and a major delay for the get-subs-a-jump-freighter program.
Obviously the nerf-everything brigade are gonna want to nerf w-space too GǪ but IMO being a bear in w-space is a whole different thing to PvE anywhere else in eve. You can certainly earn a lot of isk, but not without surmounting some pretty major risks GǪ even during the hisec phases of converting your PvE to isk.
Tbf there is no fuss about blue loot, its 20 something pages of people who think whs are fine. Versus Darth, and some random guy who's gone all bitter vet coz his corp got kicked out of whs.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
Substantia Nigra
Polaris Rising Gentlemen's Agreement
742
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Posted - 2012.06.11 04:14:00 -
[440] - Quote
Simi Kusoni wrote: Tbf there is no fuss about blue loot, its 20 something pages of people who think whs are fine. Versus Darth, and some random guy who's gone all bitter vet coz his corp got kicked out of whs.
LOL, Ahhh, ok, serves me right for not reading everything. I'll leave that polytickling to others. Thanks. We can build and sell pretty much every ship. Check my bio for details. Our pirate epic arc completion packages really are very good: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=12973&find=unread |
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Qui Shon
Capital Construction Research Pioneer Alliance
11
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Posted - 2012.06.11 06:26:00 -
[441] - Quote
Simi Kusoni wrote:Tbf there is no fuss about blue loot, its 20 something pages of people who think whs are fine. Versus Darth, and some random guy who's gone all bitter vet coz his corp got kicked out of whs.
Nah, I've gone "bitter vet" because the blobs are five times as big as when I last played and because everyone flies around with as much bling as I always did, or more even. Which means I can't do my thing alone anymore and will have to become a ***** like you, bound to his flock, if I want to attack peeps in high class wh's. |
chris elliot
EG CORP Talocan United
19
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Posted - 2012.06.11 07:02:00 -
[442] - Quote
Oh dear, some highsec carebear is crying in the wormhole forum again..
Carebear cleanup on isle 5! |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
1207
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Posted - 2012.06.11 07:46:00 -
[443] - Quote
Qui Shon wrote:Simi Kusoni wrote:Tbf there is no fuss about blue loot, its 20 something pages of people who think whs are fine. Versus Darth, and some random guy who's gone all bitter vet coz his corp got kicked out of whs. Nah, I've gone "bitter vet" because the blobs are five times as big as when I last played and because everyone flies around with as much bling as I always did, or more even. Which means I can't do my thing alone anymore and will have to become a ***** like you, bound to his flock, if I want to attack peeps in high class wh's. Posting to confirm I both live in wormholes and am "bound to my flock". What can I say, I just love blobbing so much.
So basically your complaint is that you are more space poor than the people around you, and they won't let you make loads of money like them because they keep engaging you in ~surprise PvP~.
Welcome to Eve Online.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
TheGunslinger42
Bite Me inc Exhale.
45
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Posted - 2012.06.11 12:25:00 -
[444] - Quote
Qui Shon wrote:Simi Kusoni wrote:Tbf there is no fuss about blue loot, its 20 something pages of people who think whs are fine. Versus Darth, and some random guy who's gone all bitter vet coz his corp got kicked out of whs. Nah, I've gone "bitter vet" because the blobs are five times as big as when I last played and because everyone flies around with as much bling as I always did, or more even. Which means I can't do my thing alone anymore and will have to become a ***** like you, bound to his flock, if I want to attack peeps in high class wh's.
"flies around with as much bling as I always did, or even more"
So what you're saying is that now a few more people have toys as nice (or nicer than) yours it's time to throw a tantrum
Hahahahahahaha |
Michael1995
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
17
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Posted - 2012.06.11 12:27:00 -
[445] - Quote
Less QueueQueue moar PewPew please!
One does not simply buy their way into Goonswarm. |
corbexx
Aperture Harmonics K162
17
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Posted - 2012.06.11 16:03:00 -
[446] - Quote
Well if darth doesnt quit i am sure i can find a nice c6 for him and his incurions mates to move in and farm in to get the easy isk he is after. |
Apolyon I
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
80
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Posted - 2012.06.11 17:00:00 -
[447] - Quote
Qui Shon wrote:Simi Kusoni wrote:Tbf there is no fuss about blue loot, its 20 something pages of people who think whs are fine. Versus Darth, and some random guy who's gone all bitter vet coz his corp got kicked out of whs. Nah, I've gone "bitter vet" because the blobs are five times as big as when I last played and because everyone flies around with as much bling as I always did, or more even. Which means I can't do my thing alone anymore and will have to become a ***** like you, bound to his flock, if I want to attack peeps in high class wh's. so because of
1. I can no longer pwn ppl with my army of alts because they have more ppl than the number of alts I have 2. ppl earn as much isk as I used to.
conclusion, nerf wh |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
1207
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Posted - 2012.06.11 18:02:00 -
[448] - Quote
corbexx wrote:Well if darth doesnt quit i am sure i can find a nice c6 for him and his incurions mates to move in and farm in to get the easy isk he is after. Oh god I would love to see a bunch of incursion runners in a wormhole.
Is it possible to get low sec statics in C6s? Because I'd hate to think that Darth is going to be running around in a WH and I'm never going to get the chance to pop in and kill the crap out him say hi.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
Bane Nucleus
The Kairos Syndicate Transmission Lost
69
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Posted - 2012.06.11 21:59:00 -
[449] - Quote
Qui Shon wrote:Simi Kusoni wrote:Tbf there is no fuss about blue loot, its 20 something pages of people who think whs are fine. Versus Darth, and some random guy who's gone all bitter vet coz his corp got kicked out of whs. Nah, I've gone "bitter vet" because the blobs are five times as big as when I last played and because everyone flies around with as much bling as I always did, or more even. Which means I can't do my thing alone anymore and will have to become a ***** like you, bound to his flock, if I want to attack peeps in high class wh's.
Is there something stopping you from joining another wh corp, so you can partake in the fun? As it stands now, there are lots of good fights in wh space. It's not just AHARM and CCRES anymore. It's super competitive, so people make more isk to fly nicer ships to inflict more damage on someone else. Sounds good to me! Alliance Diplomat, Recruiter |
Jack Miton
Bite Me inc Exhale.
308
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Posted - 2012.06.12 06:02:00 -
[450] - Quote
TheGunslinger42 wrote:Qui Shon wrote:Simi Kusoni wrote:Tbf there is no fuss about blue loot, its 20 something pages of people who think whs are fine. Versus Darth, and some random guy who's gone all bitter vet coz his corp got kicked out of whs. Nah, I've gone "bitter vet" because the blobs are five times as big as when I last played and because everyone flies around with as much bling as I always did, or more even. Which means I can't do my thing alone anymore and will have to become a ***** like you, bound to his flock, if I want to attack peeps in high class wh's. "flies around with as much bling as I always did, or even more" So what you're saying is that now a few more people have toys as nice (or nicer than) yours it's time to throw a tantrum Hahahahahahaha
Pretty much this. Qui Shon, it really is a shame to see you become THE wh bittervet... You need to either move on or stop commenting on things you really have no idea about anymore.
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Ristlin Wakefield
Wakefield-Dukovsky Conglomerate
12
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Posted - 2012.06.12 16:17:00 -
[451] - Quote
We've beaten the dead horse to a pulp, but I thought I'd throw in that wormhole space is not only risky and hard, but also good for the economy (POS, ships, etc.) and its flexible so someone who is only a month old can already contribute to an operation. Incursions? Not so much. I either get laughed out of the chat or ignored when I search for a fleet. So you know what? I'm happy its getting nerfed. The risk-reward for incursions are unbalanced in favor of reward. |
chaotic pandemonium
Intergalactic Combined Technologies
1
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Posted - 2012.06.13 13:08:00 -
[452] - Quote
I really don't understand the need to nerf whs. I relatively came back to the game after taking an extended break and decided to try running a wormhole. Honestly the isk you earn is most certainly comparable to the POS investment, and the constant pvp. I don't care how experienced you are, if you fly wh you will die at one point or another. Blue loot is worth a lot because there are not any sleeper bounties. Also these rats are much tougher than your typical high sec missions. To be honest as i have recently just started wormholing and between the initial investment, fuel and a few ship losses I have probably broken about even. I probably could make more money as a carebear in high sec, trading, mining and mission running, with much less risk risk and heck watching movies. But then where is the fun. |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
243
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Posted - 2012.06.14 04:55:00 -
[453] - Quote
Diego Sarmoti wrote:did this thread get moved? Talk about throwing a lamb in the lions den.
PS. OP take a look in the wh forum dude, then come talk about risk v reward again.
Before I leave I recall this thread & find it here?!?!?!?! lol They put this thread here? So this is how it felt like to be a Christan thrown to the lions!!! Surprised I haven't been thrown upside down on a cross in this forum. I see no DEV GM or ISD admitted to stealth moving this thread here. I don't blame him. Seems like instead of killing this thread though it gave it a longer life then I ever expected.
Stalafur wrote:Nooo, not the wormhole! They try to burns the precious! *Scuttles into his wormhole hermit pos*
Well all I got to say is watch out if CCP Sauron's EYE ever glances towards WH's to 'fix' them else the nerf bat could destroy you all like the Incursion community was. The day that CCP 'fixes' stop sucking is the day they start fixing vaccum cleaners |
Michael1995
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
22
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Posted - 2012.06.14 06:17:00 -
[454] - Quote
DarthNefarius wrote: Well all I got to say is watch out if CCP Sauron's EYE ever glances towards WH's to 'fix' them else the nerf bat could destroy you all like the Incursion community was.
If you think we're here just for the isk then you are sadly mistaken. One does not simply buy their way into Goonswarm. |
Indo Nira
DEEP-SPACE CO-OP LTD Exhale.
2
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Posted - 2012.06.14 08:50:00 -
[455] - Quote
Didn't your subscription run out already? Or are you just an attention *****? Anyway, your sheer determination to prove everyone else wrong is impressive. Or you might just be stupid. |
seany1212
Zat's Affiliated Traders Originally Riotous Corps
193
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Posted - 2012.06.14 08:59:00 -
[456] - Quote
DarthNefarius wrote: Well all I got to say is watch out if CCP Sauron's EYE ever glances towards WH's to 'fix' them else the nerf bat could destroy you all like the Incursion community was.
The incursion community still exists, there are still groups that run them... They're just removed of the dead weight that were the isk leechers, the ones that were doing incursions to milk as much isk from them as they could and then leave as soon as the nerf bat was so rightly swung. You appear to be one of them...
The ones still doing them do it because they're fun, because they can do it with people who they love to run them with and actually have a laugh while doing it rather than seeing how much isk they can squeeze out in an hour They aren't dead, they're just dead of the parasites that milked them while they were most profitable.
Also, this thread STILL exists?!?! |
Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
182
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Posted - 2012.06.14 09:00:00 -
[457] - Quote
seany1212 wrote:Also, this thread STILL exists?!?! . |
joes Bazooka
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2012.06.14 09:22:00 -
[458] - Quote
The ISK grinders from incursions have simply moved to Faction warfare plexing, if you couldnt catch on to where you should go for your next lot of risk free ISK then you should at least research before you post. OP feel free to start a troll topic about that.
WH ISK while it can be lucrative it is not endless, yes i can make a lot in one night doing a bit of PVE but for the next day or three:
You can have all your home sites farmed by visitors while you sleep.
You can have other visitors camping you waiting for you to PVE.
You can have other visitors wanting to engage in WH discussions/ talkfests (see, PVP)
You can be by yourself and not be able to complete PVE sites, (**** why can't we pug randoms to do PVE in WH's?........)
You can invest from 1-20B in your home base to have it all taken away when a big fish stubs his toe in your WH and goes looking for a bandaid.
You can have endlless noob explorers day tripping around in your hole, (ok sorry thats a good point, i got confused).
So really if you think WH's are such easy risk free bucket loads of ISK please please come join us, we welcome more targets to enter into WH hugs with. |
Sin Pew
Dakini Rising The Kali Cartel
54
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Posted - 2012.06.14 09:43:00 -
[459] - Quote
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=837108#post837108
DarthNefarius wrote:lol luv those NULL sec gaybear tears(...youtube link...) Keep up that crying about Incursions I got my Jar ready to catch more. I like how you state your ideas as CCP's... rewarding is in the eyes of the beholder & as long as these delicious tears keep comming outa Null Sec eyes I'll be collecting The waaah Hi Sec isn't making ISK like I want them too under my thumb threads tears don'ttaste salty at all
"- You want a sandwich, Bacon?" Support horizontal scrollbars in Eve! Click here, tyvm. |
Kelhund
Multiplex Gaming SpaceMonkey's Alliance
5
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Posted - 2012.06.14 12:29:00 -
[460] - Quote
For the love of the Jovians, STOP NECROING THIS THREAD! |
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Tasiv Deka
Ganked And T Bagged
44
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Posted - 2012.06.14 23:07:00 -
[461] - Quote
Kelhund wrote:For the love of the Jovians, STOP NECROING THIS THREAD! BUT WHAT ELSE AM I GOING TO SACRIFICE THIS HERD OF GOATS FOR??? My TLDRs are usually still pretty long... so buck up and read it because usually when someone talks that much theyre either a politician or they have something important to say... sometimes both... but not usually |
Kelhund
Multiplex Gaming SpaceMonkey's Alliance
7
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Posted - 2012.06.15 04:16:00 -
[462] - Quote
Tasiv Deka wrote:Kelhund wrote:For the love of the Jovians, STOP NECROING THIS THREAD! BUT WHAT ELSE AM I GOING TO SACRIFICE THIS HERD OF GOATS FOR???
The Gods of the Nanoribbon Drops |
Tasiv Deka
Ganked And T Bagged
44
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Posted - 2012.06.15 04:42:00 -
[463] - Quote
Kelhund wrote:Tasiv Deka wrote:Kelhund wrote:For the love of the Jovians, STOP NECROING THIS THREAD! BUT WHAT ELSE AM I GOING TO SACRIFICE THIS HERD OF GOATS FOR??? The Gods of the Nanoribbon Drops oh no they only take 100 mn tengus My TLDRs are usually still pretty long... so buck up and read it because usually when someone talks that much theyre either a politician or they have something important to say... sometimes both... but not usually |
Miles Parabellum
The Grindmonkeys
13
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Posted - 2012.06.15 09:00:00 -
[464] - Quote
Kelhund wrote:Tasiv Deka wrote:Kelhund wrote:For the love of the Jovians, STOP NECROING THIS THREAD! BUT WHAT ELSE AM I GOING TO SACRIFICE THIS HERD OF GOATS FOR??? The Gods of the Nanoribbon Drops
The "Gods"?! Heresy! There is only one, true god of WH drops. |
Van Slyke
The Red Circle Inc.
2
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Posted - 2012.06.15 09:10:00 -
[465] - Quote
May Bob accept the sacrifice at your hands, for the praise and glory of his name, for our good, and the good of all our corps. |
TheGunslinger42
Bite Me inc Exhale.
53
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Posted - 2012.06.15 14:12:00 -
[466] - Quote
Poor darthnefarious, forced to unsub by wormholer dwellers, nullsec alliances with phat moon goo, market tycoons and everyone else who made more isk than him.
Unless he's still here. I bet he is. |
Kalel Nimrott
Wishful Desires Inc. Armada Assail
12
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Posted - 2012.06.15 15:00:00 -
[467] - Quote
Trolls never dies |
Himnos Altar
An Errant Venture
66
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Posted - 2012.06.16 05:04:00 -
[468] - Quote
Van Slyke wrote:May Bob accept the sacrifice at your hands, for the praise and glory of his name, for our good, and the good of all our corps.
BoB died years ago, didn't you hear?
:P |
Celery Man
Talocan Mining And Industrial Talocan United
51
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Posted - 2012.06.16 12:03:00 -
[469] - Quote
DarthNefarius wrote: Well all I got to say is watch out if CCP Sauron's EYE ever glances towards WH's to 'fix' them else the nerf bat could destroy you all like the Incursion community was.
This is what you fail to understand - if we had our income nerfed by 50% we wouldn't give a crap. We live where we live because of where it is, which is far far far far away from bleating fools like yourself. The game mechanics we would freak out over being changed would ONLY be the ones that keep people like you away from people like us. THOSE are the mechanics we love with all our hearts.
Just to really push this point on you - WE DON'T CARE ABOUT THE MONEY. The only thing we spend them on is ships to get blown up. We DO NOT want it in our wallets. I'm sure this is very very difficult for you to understand, and I really don't care if you do or not.
We don't have to care.
We have wormholes to keep you far far away from us :)
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Kelhund
Multiplex Gaming SpaceMonkey's Alliance
8
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Posted - 2012.06.16 16:23:00 -
[470] - Quote
Himnos Altar wrote:Van Slyke wrote:May Bob accept the sacrifice at your hands, for the praise and glory of his name, for our good, and the good of all our corps. BoB died years ago, didn't you hear? :P
I lol'd :D |
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Renton Brax
Crimson Cell
6
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Posted - 2012.06.17 08:20:00 -
[471] - Quote
This response covers it better than i can. |
Vjorn Angannon
Middleton and Mercer LLP Exotic Matter Coalition
29
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Posted - 2012.06.17 09:25:00 -
[472] - Quote
All that was missing from that was the theme song from Two Mules for Sister Sarah |
Kalel Nimrott
Wishful Desires Inc. Armada Assail
12
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Posted - 2012.06.17 18:28:00 -
[473] - Quote
Celery Man wrote:DarthNefarius wrote: Well all I got to say is watch out if CCP Sauron's EYE ever glances towards WH's to 'fix' them else the nerf bat could destroy you all like the Incursion community was.
This is what you fail to understand - if we had our income nerfed by 50% we wouldn't give a crap. We live where we live because of where it is, which is far far far far away from bleating fools like yourself. The game mechanics we would freak out over being changed would ONLY be the ones that keep people like you away from people like us. THOSE are the mechanics we love with all our hearts. Just to really push this point on you - WE DON'T CARE ABOUT THE MONEY. The only thing we spend them on is ships to get blown up. We DO NOT want it in our wallets. I'm sure this is very very difficult for you to understand, and I really don't care if you do or not. We don't have to care. We have wormholes to keep you far far away from us :)
I have to add that other than Ships, which I just lost a scorpion...., +î buy plex to keep losing ships |
Sorxus
High Intellion Exhale.
0
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Posted - 2012.06.17 22:03:00 -
[474] - Quote
Inflation started when incursions were introduced. Thats it. |
Masikari
State War Academy Caldari State
35
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Posted - 2012.06.18 00:06:00 -
[475] - Quote
People really need to stop feeding this thread. OP is an idiot. Please stop giving the idiot attention. He doesn't want to and cannot understand the mechanics of WH's. Leave him to rot with his dusty Incursion ship.
It pains me to type this as it is bumping it to the top. But please, no more. Our WH forum is polluted enough by newbies crying for free help, but this thread has really dirtied the water.
Please, stop feeding the idiotic troll! |
joes Bazooka
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2012.06.18 00:13:00 -
[476] - Quote
Masikari wrote:People really need to stop feeding this thread. OP is an idiot. Please stop giving the idiot attention. He doesn't want to and cannot understand the mechanics of WH's. Leave him to rot with his dusty Incursion ship.
It pains me to type this as it is bumping it to the top. But please, no more. Our WH forum is polluted enough by newbies crying for free help, but this thread has really dirtied the water.
Please, stop feeding the idiotic troll!
The problem is not feeding the troll though, there are many threads that have whined about WH's recently but none of them have been moved to the WH subsection and without an ISD or CCP employee game enough to put their name on moving it here. So you can be assured someone that wanted to get responses about the topic and moved it here for a reason so it is no longer about explaining WH mechanics to the OP. |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
1244
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Posted - 2012.06.18 00:28:00 -
[477] - Quote
joes Bazooka wrote:Masikari wrote:People really need to stop feeding this thread. OP is an idiot. Please stop giving the idiot attention. He doesn't want to and cannot understand the mechanics of WH's. Leave him to rot with his dusty Incursion ship.
It pains me to type this as it is bumping it to the top. But please, no more. Our WH forum is polluted enough by newbies crying for free help, but this thread has really dirtied the water.
Please, stop feeding the idiotic troll! The problem is not feeding the troll though, there are many threads that have whined about WH's recently but none of them have been moved to the WH subsection and without an ISD or CCP employee game enough to put their name on moving it here. So you can be assured someone that wanted to get responses about the topic and moved it here for a reason so it is no longer about explaining WH mechanics to the OP. I suspect they moved it here because it was cluttering up GD, and OP was bumping it every few days.
Unfortunately on this sub-forum you guys don't get enough new threads to bury this thing.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
Masikari
State War Academy Caldari State
36
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Posted - 2012.06.18 00:29:00 -
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joes Bazooka wrote:Masikari wrote:People really need to stop feeding this thread. OP is an idiot. Please stop giving the idiot attention. He doesn't want to and cannot understand the mechanics of WH's. Leave him to rot with his dusty Incursion ship.
It pains me to type this as it is bumping it to the top. But please, no more. Our WH forum is polluted enough by newbies crying for free help, but this thread has really dirtied the water.
Please, stop feeding the idiotic troll! The problem is not feeding the troll though, there are many threads that have whined about WH's recently but none of them have been moved to the WH subsection and without an ISD or CCP employee game enough to put their name on moving it here. So you can be assured someone that wanted to get responses about the topic and moved it here for a reason so it is no longer about explaining WH mechanics to the OP.
Ok, interesting.
Well, I said it before and I'll say it again then - Wormholes were nerfed. Jumps-per-hour were removed and the introduction of heavy nueting was brought in to balance them. Now they are by far the most dangerous area of the game and have been made a lot more difficult to do anyway. So why do people think they need to be nerfed again?
I really don't think that folk should comment on an area of the game that they haven't explored. I have not flown n Null, so I do not comment on Null mechanics. For instance, I did not voice an opinion on the removal of drone-poo because it is not an area I know. People like the OP have not done WH's, so they shouldn't comment on them. So I SINCERELY hope CCP do not listen to people like this, purely on the principle that they do not know what they are talking about.
I'm just thankful that we have a CSM member who is a WH dweller and understands it all to back our corner.... I think
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Masikari
State War Academy Caldari State
36
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Posted - 2012.06.18 00:30:00 -
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Simi Kusoni wrote:I suspect they moved it here because it was cluttering up GD, and OP was bumping it every few days.
Unfortunately on this sub-forum you guys don't get enough new threads to bury this thing.
True this. Let's make posts and bury this crap. The first move is for me to stop posting in here, lol
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joes Bazooka
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2012.06.18 02:24:00 -
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See i tend to dissagree, i do think we should be responding if there is a possibility someone of relevence may read it.
For instance i feel some WH classes should be buffed rather than nerfed, for instance C2's and C4's do not represent a good level of ISK/hour compared to other lower class respective WH's. |
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Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
1246
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Posted - 2012.06.18 04:10:00 -
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joes Bazooka wrote:See i tend to dissagree, i do think we should be responding if there is a possibility someone of relevence may read it.
For instance i feel some WH classes should be buffed rather than nerfed, for instance C2's and C4's do not represent a good level of ISK/hour compared to other lower class respective WH's. I would tend to agree, if it wasn't for the 20+ pages of people disagreeing with Darth with only one other poster who has agreed with him.
Literally, in 20+ pages one person has supported the idea. I don't think CCP are going to act on it any time soon.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
Masikari
State War Academy Caldari State
38
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Posted - 2012.06.19 12:36:00 -
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joes Bazooka wrote:See i tend to dissagree, i do think we should be responding if there is a possibility someone of relevence may read it.
For instance i feel some WH classes should be buffed rather than nerfed, for instance C2's and C4's do not represent a good level of ISK/hour compared to other lower class respective WH's.
Yeah, I would 't mind C4's sites spawning a little faster than they currently do. But then they only have one static to worry about, so I don't know if that's intended for the balance.
It's funny isn't it Simi - all the posts going against Darth's proposal. Nearly all of the responses actually explain why, too, and not just telling him to STFU. I still can't work out if he's just (very successfully) trolling or is really that upset that his Incursions have gone.
But have you read the latest 1.1 update, Darth? They're reversing the 10% blunting cut. You have you ISK back. Surely you must be over the moon!! Are you happy now? You can't complain any more, surely? |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
1273
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Posted - 2012.06.19 12:55:00 -
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Masikari wrote:joes Bazooka wrote:See i tend to dissagree, i do think we should be responding if there is a possibility someone of relevence may read it.
For instance i feel some WH classes should be buffed rather than nerfed, for instance C2's and C4's do not represent a good level of ISK/hour compared to other lower class respective WH's. Yeah, I would 't mind C4's sites spawning a little faster than they currently do. But then they only have one static to worry about, so I don't know if that's intended for the balance. It's funny isn't it Simi - all the posts going against Darth's proposal. Nearly all of the responses actually explain why, too, and not just telling him to STFU. I still can't work out if he's just (very successfully) trolling or is really that upset that his Incursions have gone. But have you read the latest 1.1 update, Darth? They're reversing the 10% blunting cut. You have you ISK back. Surely you must be over the moon!! Are you happy now? You can't complain any more, surely? No no, he's still complaining in other threads.
In fact I haven't seen him post in a while, with any luck he's finally quit. He was threatening to for like 2 months so it would make sense.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
Masikari
State War Academy Caldari State
39
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Posted - 2012.06.19 19:35:00 -
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Simi Kusoni wrote: In fact I haven't seen him post in a while, with any luck he's finally quit.
Excellent. New Eden will be a better place to live
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Asura Twlight
Confused Dot Com Tactical Operation Fleet Delta
0
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Posted - 2012.06.19 22:39:00 -
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death you have to be one of the most -Bleep- people i have seen in a while, do you realize that sense the launch of incursions about over a year ago, prices have skyrocketed. and wormholes have been out for well over 3 years. if wormholes were responsible for prices skyrocketing the results would of shown much sooner than this. have you considered that incursions are more risk free than level 4-5 missions or null sec? have you considered that incursions appeared over a year ago and ever sense then the cost of things game wide have skyrocketed i started playing again shortly after incursions launched and plex were 300m ish now they are climbing up to 500m.
wormhole space is the most difficult area to farm and maintain, you could not possibly say the things you are saying if you lived in wormhole space.
my most reasonable guess is that you are one of those -Bleep- incursion farmers that is angry that the risk free isk fountain was turned down. I should note that null/low sec incursions are still very profitable as the moms drop more blueprints and also the revenant blueprint.
have you considered that nearly all the people in high sec and null sec have a screw wormholes attitude? many many people have tried it and found it to be something they do not like. i could see the things your saying as valid if in fact the entire game was moving to wormhole space and farming the crap out of it this is not the case but quite the opposite. many people in wormhole space are there because of several things.
blob warfare, grief tactics, high sec ganks, scams beyond mention, and Mexican standoffs between major alliances resulting in boredom are some of the things that drive people into wormhole space.
please please rethink your attitude on this subject and your facts behind your opinion, in the long run you are entitled to think whatever you want. You can respond to me by proving your a -Bleep- and flame me for what i have said or see that your attitude on this subject and lack of real facts is what caused me to have my opinion of you. hopefully resulting in you to expand your horizon's on the inflation of game prices and see the bigger picture. please be cool take what i have said with a cool head |
BellRinger2
Rock Ballz INC. From Uranus To Wormhole Ouch
2
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Posted - 2012.06.26 01:28:00 -
[486] - Quote
I will just say 1 thing, IMO - by nerfing null and incursions - CCP nerfed WH loot my 50%. Simply the isk you get now is 2x less valuable, as most of things are 2x more expensive because of mineral prices. |
Citizen Smif
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
107
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Posted - 2012.06.27 16:37:00 -
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The OP clearly does not understand what inflation actually is. |
Zicon Shak'ra
Vacuo Anomalia
0
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Posted - 2012.07.06 17:06:00 -
[488] - Quote
TL;DR - Your carebearing incursions got nerfed and now you are sad. |
Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings
256
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Posted - 2012.07.06 17:08:00 -
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OMG let this thread die pls |
Klarion Sythis
Bite Me inc Exhale.
22
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Posted - 2012.07.06 18:13:00 -
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I already hate myself for adding a post to this thread, so I'll make it quick.
Before you post, read this:
- The OP is a whining idiot and the rest of EVE is already aware of that. No one needs to point it out for the 100th time.
- This thread has 25 pages of coverage now. We don't need you to weigh in with an already expressed opinion.
- Even CCP wants this thread to die. Make a wish come true.
- If you still think you should post in this thread...you are wrong.
Please give this thread the rest it deserves and let it die in peace. |
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Fradle
Bite Me inc Exhale.
5
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Posted - 2012.07.06 18:15:00 -
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I want to post in this thread to give it the credit it needs! |
Beachura
Helghan Empiral Armada Apocalypse Now.
0
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Posted - 2012.07.06 19:48:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:
bull crap SLEEPER BLUE LOOT is a ISK faucet pure & simple because it injects ISK into Eve through NPC buy orders!
What is it about the fact that wormhole space is 0.0 security and infinitely dangerous, as well as requiring correct ship equipment and ships of serious caliber whereas incursions require fleets in some of the safest space in eve THAT YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND.
Quote: I already hate myself for adding a post to this thread, so I'll make it quick.
Before you post, read this:
The OP is a whining idiot and the rest of EVE is already aware of that. No one needs to point it out for the 100th time. This thread has 25 pages of coverage now. We don't need you to weigh in with an already expressed opinion. Even CCP wants this thread to die. Make a wish come true. If you still think you should post in this thread...you are wrong.
Please give this thread the rest it deserves and let it die in peace.
You are not a moderator, nor will you ever understand the skills required to undertake forum moderation, get lost. |
Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy Black Sun Alliance
266
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Posted - 2012.07.07 03:13:00 -
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Endeavour Starfleet wrote:There is one thing that needs to be nerfed if all these others go into effect.. AFK Cloaking. Not sure about Wormholes tho.
hogwash. [IMG]http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a208/DawnFrostbringer/consultsig.jpg[/IMG] |
Kelhund
Multiplex Gaming SpaceMonkey's Alliance
8
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Posted - 2012.07.07 09:21:00 -
[494] - Quote
Oh dear god, this thread needs to be locked. |
TheGunslinger42
Bite Me inc Exhale.
131
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Posted - 2012.07.07 11:07:00 -
[495] - Quote
Kelhund wrote:Oh dear god, this thread needs to be locked.
my best friends dog's girlfriends uncle works for CCP and he said they wont close this thread until darth unsubs.
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Michael1995
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
28
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Posted - 2012.07.07 12:03:00 -
[496] - Quote
Nerf Jayce pls, too op. :/ One does not simply buy their way into Goonswarm. |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub Like I Give A F--K
1424
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Posted - 2012.07.07 12:56:00 -
[497] - Quote
Bumping an extremely interesting thread full of productive discussion and brilliant insight on behalf of the OP.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
249
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Posted - 2012.07.09 08:56:00 -
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TheGunslinger42 wrote:Kelhund wrote:Oh dear god, this thread needs to be locked. my best friends dog's girlfriends uncle works for CCP and he said they wont close this thread until darth unsubs.
That is why I resubbed after 2 weeks of unsubbing Gimme all your stuff & I'll unsub again for another 2 weeks An' then [email protected], he come scramblin outta theTerminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system'scrashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children' |
TheGunslinger42
Bite Me inc Exhale.
134
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Posted - 2012.07.09 12:43:00 -
[499] - Quote
DarthNefarius wrote:TheGunslinger42 wrote:Kelhund wrote:Oh dear god, this thread needs to be locked. my best friends dog's girlfriends uncle works for CCP and he said they wont close this thread until darth unsubs. That is why I resubbed after 2 weeks of unsubbing Gimme all your stuff & I'll unsub again for another 2 weeks
Hahahaha we knew you weren't leaving. CCP will never listen to your "I'll unsub waaahh" threats if you don't unsub! |
Pasta OfDoom
Viziam Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.08.21 02:31:00 -
[500] - Quote
I'm keeping this thread alive because the OP has a valid point and everyone else has valid counterarguments! Yay!
Although I do sort of support the removal of local, or at least nerfing it. I know that was a few pages back but whatever. |
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Senn Denroth
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
20
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Posted - 2012.08.21 03:15:00 -
[501] - Quote
Pasta OfDoom wrote: Viziam Amarr Empire
*stopped reading* |
QT McWhiskers
Hard Knocks Inc.
21
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Posted - 2012.08.21 03:16:00 -
[502] - Quote
Pasta OfDoom wrote:I'm keeping this thread alive because the OP has a valid point and everyone else has valid counterarguments! Yay!
Although I do sort of support the removal of local, or at least nerfing it. I know that was a few pages back but whatever.
1. Let this useless thread die. 2. Post with your main. 3. GTFO |
Kalel Nimrott
Wishful Desires Inc. Armada Assail
38
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Posted - 2012.08.21 03:24:00 -
[503] - Quote
Butt sex with a corps???, UGGGGHHH!!!!! |
Sith1s Spectre
Sky Fighters Talocan United
8
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Posted - 2012.08.21 03:39:00 -
[504] - Quote
Did this crap need to get Necro'd please lock and let it die.... May you be one with Bob |
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ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
232
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Posted - 2012.08.21 03:42:00 -
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As this thread ran for as long as it needed to, and all valid discussion points talked to the point of completion, I will be locking it now. ISD Dorrim Barstorlode Lieutenant Community Communication Liasions (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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