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Masikari
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Posted - 2012.04.15 10:04:00 -
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Mars Theran wrote:
You're exagerating. Blue loot isn't really worth that much considering all the costs associated with aquiring it and the number of players it gets spread around to in most cases. In some cases it is a Wormhole Corps primary means of immediate income for its members as the real Sleeper loot gets used in manufacturing as do the majority of other materials aquired in Wormholes.
Not speaking for the wormhole raiders here, just the Corps that actually live there. As for those other chaps, I'm sure they get what they get based on what class of Wormhole they are raiding and how long they spend there.
You also have to consider time investment here. Wormholers probably have one of the highest time requirements placed on them with regard to managing their POSs, mining Gasses, Scanning, and running Sleeper sites which aren't exactly as common as missions or even remotely frequent spawners. Then there is just general time spent scouting and watching and spying/surveiling, which accounts for almost half of any wormholers time in game provided they actually make an effort and don't just show up to blow up Sleepers.
In all, it has a high burnout factor for anyone that actually invests in it actively in game, and you want to take away the one relatively guaranteed payout for all that time invested. Good job.
This. You hit the spot, sir.
Plus FYI, Darth, WH's did get a big nerf when CCP changed the sleepers so they nueted ships. And it's been said before many times... THE RISK. WH's are riskier that Null because there is no local intel. If blue-loot is bringing in as much ISK as Incursions then Incursions need to be nerfed more, because there is very little risk in comparison. But you shouldn't even compare WH's to Incursions anyway - two VERY different arena's.
Please answer this - have you ever LIVED in a WH? If not (and I don't think you have) go try it for a month and then tell me we shouldn't get rewarded for our efforts.
Here's what we have to do to get our 'over priced' blue loot out: 1) Run the site (I won't even mention the agony of getting a Carrier into a WH to run the sites) and run the constant risk of getting jumped - which is a very common occurence 2) Salvage the site, all the time watching D-Scan and running the risk of getting jumped 3) Scan down our exit into a C2 4) Scout the C2 5) If it's too active we have to close the WH. Takes about 20 mins and holds a lot of risk in either getting jumped or trapping a ship in the other WH 6) Scan down the C2. If there is not a HS/LS/suitable WH exit, repeat point 5 7) See if HS/LS exit is suitable. If not, repeat point 5 8) If the adjacent WH to the C2 is no good, repeat point 5 9) If we are lucky with the exits, we get the loot out. But there is the constant risk of things like warp bubbles, hictors, bombers -the list goes on and on- in the other holes from either roaming gangs or the occupants 10) Do our best to avoid suicide gankers cos we're carrying precious lootz
And you think we should be penalised for this effort? Do you not think there should be a drop of compensation for the amount of ships we lose by choosing WH life? |
Masikari
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.04.15 13:44:00 -
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Lanasak wrote:Elyssa MacLeod wrote:best way to troll 0.0 is earn money is high sec. Im amazed you all havent drowned in your tears by now
You ever think the reason you get so little money in 0.0 is cause of your corp leaders? Its not CCPs fault, its yours what in the world are you talking about
I second Lanasak's question to you |
Masikari
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.04.15 21:53:00 -
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Mr LaForge wrote:Oh look, another Darth thread and his inflation whines.
Yup. I'm REALLY starting to think that Darth is just trolling now. All these people taking the time to explain Wormhole processes and he just ignores them.
Writing this thread off as a troll |
Masikari
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Posted - 2012.04.15 22:11:00 -
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Corina Jarr wrote:Jessie-A Tassik wrote:Lanasak wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:Blue loot is a ISK FOUNTAIN that injects as much ISK into the EVE economy as incursions do on a monthly basis 1) there's a lot more people cashing out blue loot than there are incursion runners 2) there is infinitely more risk in wormholes than in welfare incursions Yet it would be better for everyone inflation wise if both Incursions and Wormhole dropped more raw materials/modules instead of printing ISK. How does blue loot add isk? NPC buy orders?
Yup. It's the equivalent of bounties on any NPC ships. And CCP put NPC buy orders up for them for that reason.
DarthNefarius wrote:Yet it would be better for everyone inflation wise if both Incursions and Wormhole dropped more raw materials/modules instead of printing ISK.
WH's don't print ISK like incursions. You HAVE to loot the wrecks to make any ISK. The loot from from Sleeper wrecks has to be manufactured after reverse engineer other components. And that takes a lot of work.
Sure, you can sell the loot on the market, but the only thing that's worth while selling is the nano-ribbons. And the reason they are worth so much is because they are rare drops and the vital common-component to building all the various T3 modules. |
Masikari
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.04.15 22:25:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:Corina Jarr wrote:Jessie-A Tassik wrote:Lanasak wrote:[quote=DarthNefarius]Blue loot is a ISK FOUNTAIN that injects as much ISK into the EVE economy as incursions do on a monthly basis Yet it would be better for everyone inflation wise if both Incursions and Wormhole dropped more raw materials/modules instead of printing ISK. How does blue loot add isk? NPC buy orders? Yes. The mechanism is thru NPC buy orders. CCP Soundwave has announced through an interview he's planning on a 10% nerf across the board on all bounties & a ISK nerf on Incursions. The next week a DEV blog conferms there will be a 10% reduction in Vangurd incursion payouts. CCP is planning on punishing every single ISK fountain in the game EXCEPT wormholes to counter inflation from what I hear no matter the risk. Wormhole Wendy giving handies to all the CCP employees to escape thier ISK fountain's nerfing along with the rest of all of Eve?
You could argue that Incursions aren't getting nerfed - they're getting balanced. Don't forget Assault sites are getting buffed and Vangards nerfed to bring it in balance. Assaults = harder, so it should have a better payout than Vanguards.
What about the Drone regions? They're getting there poo removed and bounties placed..... instant ISK! Where's before they had to harvest and transport the sleeper wrecks. The new method is easier, right?
I'm still convinced Darth is just trolling tho. |
Masikari
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.04.15 23:17:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:From what I've read above the only change to sleeper sites has been the addition of neutralizers?!? Wormhole life sounds pretty static the past few years then. But back to my point ESCALATION & INFERNO is IGNORING Wormholes totally. Hi SEC is getting a new wardecking system. Incursions sites are changing. And Drone region's true sec status is downgrading along with the switch from alloys to bounties. I really feel sorry for the Drone region peeps first they are going to have to learn a new way of life after the alloys disappear then after they start making ISK a 10% nerf well come along for a double wammy . HI/LO/NULL are all seeing nerfs yet wormholes nothing. Must be nice to be ignored by CCP for such a period. Guess if CCP did do any changes to WH's it would be like WORMHOLE stabilizers then peeps there would really scream about CCP shaking up the ant farm
Oh my days. The reason WH's aren't getting nerfed is because they are already well balanced. Probably the most balanced area of the game. And the reason CCP have left it alone for a while is because it doesn't need messing with. Please give WH space a go, Darth, and you will see what everyone here is talking about. Unless you know what WH space is like how can you even begin to comment. Does the volume of replies disagreeing with what your saying not tell you something? |
Masikari
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.04.16 06:15:00 -
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Obvious troll is obvious |
Masikari
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.06.18 00:06:00 -
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People really need to stop feeding this thread. OP is an idiot. Please stop giving the idiot attention. He doesn't want to and cannot understand the mechanics of WH's. Leave him to rot with his dusty Incursion ship.
It pains me to type this as it is bumping it to the top. But please, no more. Our WH forum is polluted enough by newbies crying for free help, but this thread has really dirtied the water.
Please, stop feeding the idiotic troll! |
Masikari
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.06.18 00:29:00 -
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joes Bazooka wrote:Masikari wrote:People really need to stop feeding this thread. OP is an idiot. Please stop giving the idiot attention. He doesn't want to and cannot understand the mechanics of WH's. Leave him to rot with his dusty Incursion ship.
It pains me to type this as it is bumping it to the top. But please, no more. Our WH forum is polluted enough by newbies crying for free help, but this thread has really dirtied the water.
Please, stop feeding the idiotic troll! The problem is not feeding the troll though, there are many threads that have whined about WH's recently but none of them have been moved to the WH subsection and without an ISD or CCP employee game enough to put their name on moving it here. So you can be assured someone that wanted to get responses about the topic and moved it here for a reason so it is no longer about explaining WH mechanics to the OP.
Ok, interesting.
Well, I said it before and I'll say it again then - Wormholes were nerfed. Jumps-per-hour were removed and the introduction of heavy nueting was brought in to balance them. Now they are by far the most dangerous area of the game and have been made a lot more difficult to do anyway. So why do people think they need to be nerfed again?
I really don't think that folk should comment on an area of the game that they haven't explored. I have not flown n Null, so I do not comment on Null mechanics. For instance, I did not voice an opinion on the removal of drone-poo because it is not an area I know. People like the OP have not done WH's, so they shouldn't comment on them. So I SINCERELY hope CCP do not listen to people like this, purely on the principle that they do not know what they are talking about.
I'm just thankful that we have a CSM member who is a WH dweller and understands it all to back our corner.... I think
Edit: broke quote link |
Masikari
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.06.18 00:30:00 -
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Simi Kusoni wrote:I suspect they moved it here because it was cluttering up GD, and OP was bumping it every few days.
Unfortunately on this sub-forum you guys don't get enough new threads to bury this thing.
True this. Let's make posts and bury this crap. The first move is for me to stop posting in here, lol
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Masikari
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.06.19 12:36:00 -
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joes Bazooka wrote:See i tend to dissagree, i do think we should be responding if there is a possibility someone of relevence may read it.
For instance i feel some WH classes should be buffed rather than nerfed, for instance C2's and C4's do not represent a good level of ISK/hour compared to other lower class respective WH's.
Yeah, I would 't mind C4's sites spawning a little faster than they currently do. But then they only have one static to worry about, so I don't know if that's intended for the balance.
It's funny isn't it Simi - all the posts going against Darth's proposal. Nearly all of the responses actually explain why, too, and not just telling him to STFU. I still can't work out if he's just (very successfully) trolling or is really that upset that his Incursions have gone.
But have you read the latest 1.1 update, Darth? They're reversing the 10% blunting cut. You have you ISK back. Surely you must be over the moon!! Are you happy now? You can't complain any more, surely? |
Masikari
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.06.19 19:35:00 -
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Simi Kusoni wrote: In fact I haven't seen him post in a while, with any luck he's finally quit.
Excellent. New Eden will be a better place to live
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