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Jack Tronic
borkedLabs
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Posted - 2012.04.16 01:32:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:Digital Messiah wrote:1. they are not a faucet, because they do not bring in more isk as a number they simply use what is already floating around.
. bull crap SLEEPER BLUE LOOT is a ISK faucet pure & simple because it injects ISK into Eve through NPC buy orders!
So do all levels of missions, NPC give you isk directly for time spent. Sleeper blue loot gives you isk for time spent. Incursions also still give isk, but in a different ratio for TIME SPENT. |
Lanasak
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
70
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Posted - 2012.04.16 01:39:00 -
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Xorv wrote:Right, because that's why it was more easy to sneak around, ambush, and evade in Darkfall that had no invisibility stealth than it is in EVE which has full invisibility. Local Chat doesn't just break Cloaking, it breaks an entire way of playing. Anyone defending Local in EVE is completely out to lunch as far as I'm concerned. What other MMO has anything remotely like EVE's Local Chat? None that I've played.
umm.. what do missions have to do with this?
Local Chat Intel is overpowered, game breaking, and it needs to go!
local chat doesn't break cloaking, it balances it
anybody who argues that local "intel" needs to be removed without any serious changes to numerous parts of the game is clueless about how the game is played in nullsec |
Elle Lau
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
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Posted - 2012.04.16 02:24:00 -
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YOU EXPECT PEOPLE TO TAKE YOUR SERIOUSLY WHEN YOU TYPE/POST LIKE THIS???
Seriously, the op obviously has no clue about this matter so don't post up to feed his trolling ego. Having lived in WHs since they were introduced. I decided to check out incursions about 9 months ago and it was sickeningly easy compared to WH space, for slightly more reward as well... it just doesn't make sense. |
Michael1995
Lead Farmers Academy Kill It With Fire
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Posted - 2012.04.16 02:25:00 -
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Perhaps the reason WHs haven't been nerfed is because they ARE actually well balanced already! I know that it might be hard for you to come to grips with, but you have to seriously think about it.
It's in nullsec without local afterall. you too could make the isk if you actually got your balls in order, organized a group of people, and moved into a C5 and started earning RISKFILLED isk OMYGAWD!
But no, keep in HS and keep up your damned whining, maybe one day WHs will get nerfed cause of all the whiny people that only know of incursions. One does not simply buy their way into Goonswarm. |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
148
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Posted - 2012.04.16 02:29:00 -
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Xorv wrote:[ Local Chat Intel is overpowered, game breaking, and it needs to go!
So you are saying HI/lo/NULL SEC local should be just like WH's.... interesting point but back to the threads subject:
Lanasak wrote: holding sov in nullsec is a laughing riot these days and the only special thing about it is the ability to build supercaps.
With the deletion of Drone alloys the building of SuperCap has taken severe nerf. Escalation appears to be a big nerf on all known space but a repreive on W space. Why has Inferno's heat escaped all wormholes CCP?
Tobiaz wrote: I don't think there are that many WH-peeps switching over to Incursions though, maybe some of the ones in low WH with small, inactive corporations, but iIn a good WH-corp you can make twice as much ISK/hour then the shiniest VG-blitzers. When making that much money, the only risk that can even put a dent in your wallet is if you get evicted, and that's almost impossible with well-organized occupants.
This is what I'm really hearing about WH riches. All & all when compating the Incursion wealth versus the sleeper site wealth the peeps in WH's are making more wealth then the richest of the incursion runners. The only peeps that are richer are those at the top o the rung in the HUGE NULL SEC alliances& their MOON goo ATM machines ( cha-CHING).
To the whiners : CCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally" |
Apolyon I
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
4
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Posted - 2012.04.16 03:02:00 -
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Tobiaz wrote: I don't think there are that many WH-peeps switching over to Incursions though, maybe some of the ones in low WH with small, inactive corporations, but iIn a good WH-corp you can make twice as much ISK/hour then the shiniest VG-blitzers. When making that much money, the only risk that can even put a dent in your wallet is if you get evicted, and that's almost impossible with well-organized occupants.
since when the only risk is getting evicted and how come it's impossible??
you prob havent seen AAA bearing fleet got wiped out |
Adacia Calla
The Long Kiss Goodnight Rise Against All
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Posted - 2012.04.16 03:04:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:Incursions getting nerfed & drone alloys getting nerfed why are the blue loot NPC buy orders not getting nerfed to to help with the inflation?!?! The Pax Amarrian nerf was a good precendent of a NPC sell order which was balanced next the sleeper blue loot NPC buy order should be cut in the name of balance. A possible bounty 10% cut is being thrown around too by CCP Soundwave. Only one currenntly smelling like a rose is the Wormhole residents with the Escalation to Inferno lets have HYPERINFLATION mean the end fo Empire NPC's no longer being able to affford to buy sleeper crap which is non ribbons which acually add something to Eve & empire ( at least with Incursions Capsuleers are providing a service to Empire residents what has blueloot added to Empire's security? ) . LETS HAVE EVERYONE FEEL THE PAIN OF ESCALATING INFERNO[:!: A pox on EVERYONE'S house TLDR.
My .2 isk: Wormholes are ******* hard.
It's been a year since I lived in a C5, but that lifestyle is NOT easy, blue loot should stay the way it is. Test signature....forum not applying settings :( |
Elle Lau
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
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Posted - 2012.04.16 03:19:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:This is what I'm really hearing about WH riches. All & all when compating the Incursion wealth versus the sleeper site wealth the peeps in WH's are making more wealth then the richest of the incursion runners.
What the hell is your problem? Yes you make more isk in WH space, but there's risk compared to no risk. There's logistics involved in getting the money/payout. You could die going through the several wormholes to get out to sell it.
All you're looking at is the end payout compared to incursions, you're not looking at anything in between when trying to get the payout
Stop being a troll and actually read some of this information that has been posted up on the first few pages.
Come move to WH space and get a clue |
Kobal81
Awesome Corp
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Posted - 2012.04.16 03:32:00 -
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You rly sound mad, need eh tissue??? |
DarkKnight David
Awesome Corp
0
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Posted - 2012.04.16 03:43:00 -
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You mad bro? |
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Infinion
Awesome Corp
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Posted - 2012.04.16 03:53:00 -
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Suck it up, buttercup |
Jin So
Sanctuary Pact
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Posted - 2012.04.16 03:54:00 -
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tl;dr |
Shara Kusanagi
Awesome Corp
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Posted - 2012.04.16 03:55:00 -
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Sounds like someone needs to rub one out. |
David Mairne
Awesome Corp
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Posted - 2012.04.16 03:56:00 -
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Shara Kusanagi wrote:Sounds like someone needs to rub one out.
Log before you flog!
Or we might get another rage post. |
Elle Lau
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
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Posted - 2012.04.16 04:10:00 -
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trollololo you guys are soooo funny |
Don't Shoot-I Surrender
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.04.16 04:22:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:Incursions getting nerfed & drone alloys getting nerfed why are the blue loot NPC buy orders not getting nerfed to to help with the inflation?!?! The Pax Amarrian nerf was a good precendent of a NPC sell order which was balanced next the sleeper blue loot NPC buy order should be cut in the name of balance. A possible bounty 10% cut is being thrown around too by CCP Soundwave. Only one currenntly smelling like a rose is the Wormhole residents with the Escalation to Inferno lets have HYPERINFLATION mean the end fo Empire NPC's no longer being able to affford to buy sleeper crap which is non ribbons which acually add something to Eve & empire ( at least with Incursions Capsuleers are providing a service to Empire residents what has blueloot added to Empire's security? ) . LETS HAVE EVERYONE FEEL THE PAIN OF ESCALATING INFERNO[:!: A pox on EVERYONE'S house
You sound like a JEDI |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
148
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Posted - 2012.04.16 04:42:00 -
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TheLightningCount wrote:Darth just seems like a frickin ******. After having lived in wormholes for years, I can tell you this.
1. Wormholes are by no means overflowing with isk.
2. Whatever isk you make is shared with your fleet members.
3. You are going to die in a wormhole. Its not a matter of IF, or WHEN, but how often. Plan your finances accordingly.
I left wormholes over a year ago to run HS incursions with BOJ fleets, absolution fleet, and started making over 200 mil an hour. In wormholes I would make 150m an hour. (Which was judging by the time it took to farm all sites in a wormhole and selling it then splitting it up between your corp mates.)
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1) is a lie WHers are raking in the wealth and you know it 2) Incursions also share ISK with your fleet members 3) you are also going to die in Incursion all this bull crap that Incursions are 0% risk free is a lie & CCP knows it they got the numbers troll
Bull crap you were making 200 million an hour in a HI Sec Incursion fleet that's how I know you are lieing And I am hearing rom more & more peep the 150 million an hour is no were near the true top limit o ISK making in worm holes.
To the whiners : CCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally" |
RAP ACTION HERO
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
5
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Posted - 2012.04.16 04:47:00 -
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because Two Step said so. |
RAP ACTION HERO
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
5
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Posted - 2012.04.16 04:59:00 -
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Grumpymunky wrote:Endeavour Starfleet wrote:There is one thing that needs to be nerfed if all these others go into effect.. AFK Cloaking. Not sure about Wormholes tho. AFK cloaking doesn't earn anything, so it needs a buff. Digital Messiah wrote:they are not a faucet, because they do not bring in more isk as a number they simply use what is already floating around. Pretty sure money from NPC buy orders was not already "floating around."
afk cloaking reduce inflation by reducing isk/hour |
Xorv
Questionable Acquisitions
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Posted - 2012.04.16 05:14:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote: 1) is a lie WHers are raking in the wealth and you know it
Yeah I heard quite a few Wormholers were coming to High Sec to do Incursions, I have no doubt they're raking it in!
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Masikari
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.04.16 06:15:00 -
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Obvious troll is obvious |
Removal Tool
Unleet Industries LLC Lunar Industries Partnership
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Posted - 2012.04.16 08:12:00 -
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I do both. WH's and Incursions.
The incursion money prior to the nerf for me and the fleets I flew with was up to 160mil an hour, in perfect conditions a bit more.
I don't get near that amount in a C4, especially when sharing the sites with others. And you must remember, we don't get a spawn to replace the site we just completed within 2-3 minutes in a WH.
If I run incursions solidly for a week I would earn 2-3 billion, maybe more. In a good week in the C4 I would be lucky to get a billion.
And lastly your so called isk faucet of blue loot in wormholes is offset by an isk sink to some degree, that being ship, loot and pos losses.
In 12 months of incursioning I have lost 2 ships, one to a stupid mistake by me and one to a logi dc. total about 2 billion isk
In 6 months of being in a wormhole I have lost 10+ ships to other players and my mistakes. Total about 5-6 billion isk.
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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
150
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Posted - 2012.04.16 08:48:00 -
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Removal Tool wrote:I do both. WH's and Incursions.
The incursion money prior to the nerf for me and the fleets I flew with was up to 160mil an hour, in perfect conditions a bit more.
I don't get near that amount in a C4, especially when sharing the sites with others. And you must remember, we don't get a spawn to replace the site we just completed within 2-3 minutes in a WH.
If I run incursions solidly for a week I would earn 2-3 billion, maybe more. In a good week in the C4 I would be lucky to get a billion.
And lastly your so called isk faucet of blue loot in wormholes is offset by an isk sink to some degree, that being ship, loot and pos losses.
In 12 months of incursioning I have lost 2 ships, one to a stupid mistake by me and one to a logi dc. total about 2 billion isk
In 6 months of being in a wormhole I have lost 10+ ships to other players and my mistakes. Total about 5-6 billion isk.
You made some very good points I concede but there are a few counter points: -OK in a C4+ you would be making more Wealth my understanding is the c1-c3 are lo ends & the C5+ are hi end? -160 million is near perfect legion blitz fleet w/o bio breaks except during warps ( possible for a lil more but not much ) -SHIP LOSSES ARE NOT A ISK SINK they are a mineral sink ( your wealth is decreased but its in assets someone else still has the ISK )... still losses are losses I concede.
I am curious: you said your WH losses were due to other players & your mistakes so a portion of that I take it were to NPC's and other portion was due to the nature of no Concord. Remeber in lo & NULL concord is not present so there is more ISK ( maybe alot less risk though in NULL if you are deep in SOV ) My real point in this thread is that there is aproblem with the ISK faucets all around and J space is not getting all the nerfs that the rest of Eve will be shouldering. FACE IT CCP THE REAL LOSERS HERE IS THE DRONE LEGIONS WITH THE CRAPPY TRUE SEC UNBALANCING !!! More I hear about it the worse the bounties are for peeps living there and the only way to make it better is to further unbalance inflation for the rest of Eve. Sounds like Drone region needs a few Tech Moons to spawn To the whiners : CCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally" |
Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
456
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Posted - 2012.04.16 09:14:00 -
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Posting in a terrible troll thread. The universe is an ancient desert, a vast wasteland with only occasional habitable planets as oases. We Fremen, comfortable with deserts, shall now venture into another. - STILGAR, From the Sietch to the Stars. |
seany1212
eXceed Inc. No Holes Barred
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Posted - 2012.04.16 09:23:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote: -SHIP LOSSES ARE NOT A ISK SINK they are a mineral sink ( your wealth is decreased but its in assets someone else still has the ISK )
LOLd hard, because when you die every module drops...
This just shows your grasp on the game tbh, bounties are immediate payouts, blue loot is market related. NERF CONCORD LP AS WELL AS INCURSION PAYOUTS |
seany1212
eXceed Inc. No Holes Barred
132
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Posted - 2012.04.16 09:25:00 -
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Thorn Galen wrote:Posting in a terrible troll thread. Worst thing is, I reckon he's just giving the illusion he's trolling in order to gauge others responses and see if they agree with his own |
Apolyon I
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
5
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Posted - 2012.04.16 09:34:00 -
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too bad noone would agree with him |
Comy 1
Ore Mongers BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2012.04.16 11:04:00 -
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I could actually agree on nerfing the income from sleepers with 10% if we got instant bounty payout rather than blue items that you need to haul to empire and sell.
Alternatively, remove all bounties from the game and replace with their own version of blue loot that every carebear has to move into high/low/npc null and sell.
We shall see how happy every incursion or mission runner will be when his ship full of bounty loot gets suicide ganked and he realize everything he worked for during a week is lost in a glorious fire. |
Hathrul
DEEP-SPACE CO-OP LTD Exhale.
60
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Posted - 2012.04.16 11:15:00 -
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Mars Theran wrote:
Lets not forget that that 150 million per hour is actually only for about 4-5 hours a week at best in your home system. Anything on top of that generally requires seeking out sites in other Wormholes with increasing Risk as you go farther out, or through manufacturing and mining gases
So to recap, that amounts to 150 * 8 players * average 4.5 hours per week = 5.4 billion ISK per week max out of a C6 on average. That's with max. Cap Escalations btw, using at least a Carrier and 2 Dreads to draw the Escalations. Just to be clear, Dreads are useless for anything but spawning the Cap wave and gtfo after, and Carriers are only useful for that and running logistics while trying to stay alive themselves. That's not as easy as it sounds btw
im sorry but have you ever been in high class wormhole space?? if you run sites like that no wonder your income isnt very good
regardless though. as been said, wormholes have a high risk, and once problems come knocking on your door, itll knock out the door, the door frame and most of the house the door was for as well. When we loose ships, we dont loose 1 or 2 but just entire fleets of faction/dead-space/meta 2 fit capitals and t3's.
so we make more then someone in highsec, big deal. were not in highsec
as for the isk faucet. though i can agree to some level that it should be changed, it basically is the same as bounties in empire on rats. and the OP started about the drone nerf.......they are basically the same as sleepers now. just without teeth and not in wormhole space :)
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Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
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Posted - 2012.04.16 11:16:00 -
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seany1212 wrote:LOLd hard, because when you die every module drops... This just shows your grasp on the game tbh, bounties are immediate payouts, blue loot is market related. NERF CONCORD LP AS WELL AS INCURSION PAYOUTS Actually to be fair ship losses are not technically ISK sinks, although item and ship destruction is a pretty fundamental requirement for Eve's economy it is not due to them removing ISK from the game. If anything, thanks to insurance, ship losses are actually an ISK faucet. (Unless you're in T2/T3 ships, naturlich.)
Also, the blue loot Darth is going on about is actually an ISK faucet, it's the data things you sell to NPC market orders.
DarthNefarius wrote:You made some very good points I concede but there are a few counter points: -OK in a C4+ you would be making more Wealth my understanding is the c1-c3 are lo ends & the C5+ are hi end? Actually no, in a C5+ you can make a reasonable amount from the capital escalations etc. but most of your ISK will come from the high end ladars. Again, this is profit that you will not be getting from blue loot, but from selling goods. The combat sites will quickly be exhausted by any alliance/corp, and remember that you have to share profit for the limited number of sites you have access to.
For a solo player C3s and below are the only realistic option, C4s are probably the limit for the slightly more determined solo players with multiple accounts. However, even dual boxing WHs, you will still make less ISK per hour than you would dual boxing incursions. And you're risking your ships, and half your ISK comes in the form of ribbons which again, isn't just magical ISK stuck into your wallet.
DarthNefarius wrote:-160 million is near perfect legion blitz fleet w/o bio breaks except during warps ( possible for a lil more but not much ) A lot of people dual box incursions, and 160m isn't that unrealistic for us. And before you say "I'd never have a dual boxer in my fleet", we don't tell you we're dual boxing. "Can I bring my friends who're also in shiny ships" usually translates into "I'm dual/triple boxing, but I'll be damned if I'll admit it to you".
DarthNefarius wrote:I am curious: you said your WH losses were due to other players & your mistakes so a portion of that I take it were to NPC's and other portion was due to the nature of no Concord. Remeber in lo & NULL concord is not present so there is more ISK ( maybe alot less risk though in NULL if you are deep in SOV ) I would hazard a guess his mistakes led to death from other players, NPC deaths are pretty rare.
DarthNefarius wrote:My real point in this thread is that there is aproblem with the ISK faucets all around and J space is not getting all the nerfs that the rest of Eve will be shouldering. FACE IT CCP THE REAL LOSERS HERE IS THE DRONE LEGIONS WITH THE CRAPPY TRUE SEC UNBALANCING !!! More I hear about it the worse the bounties are for peeps living there and the only way to make it better is to further unbalance inflation for the rest of Eve. Sounds like Drone region needs a few Tech Moons to spawn The problem is you seem to believe CCP's intent with the upcoming changes was to decrease inflation, I see no evidence of this. They were merely performing risk/reward rebalancing, and attempting to fix the mining profession. I'm also pretty sure they are well aware of the risks of mudflation, which is probably why they are now going on an RMT sweep, following in the foot steps of Final Fantasy XI's creators.
Anyway, so far they seem to have done a good job, but in order to see that first you need to realize that their intent was never to provide us all with cheap ships and modules.
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