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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4201
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Posted - 2012.05.11 10:36:00 -
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Samillian wrote:Your wasting your time I'm afraid, Darth ignores completely any post that brings up the higher risks and logistical costs or difficulties of living in WH space and concentrates only on the potential ISK earned. He doesn't believe in taking into consideration any facts that might detract from his argument.
according to him hisec incursions are the riskiest pve in the game because sometimes (read: one in a blue moon) you lose expensive ships to rats "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Degren
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
293
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Posted - 2012.05.11 22:31:00 -
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Oh look, this thread is back. People have a hard time determining what words mean. Words. -á |
Tasiv Deka
Ganked And T Bagged
38
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Posted - 2012.05.12 09:36:00 -
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This thread has gone on long enough to not even be remotely entertaining anymore...
You know I was going to explain this in a dignified manner, however i see that big words confuse you...
Picture Two Pies
One is Wormholes now yes this pie is a little bigger (maybe 2% larger) than the other one... However this pie is split between 8 people.
The other pie (Incursion-berry Flavored) is just a little bit smaller than the Wormhole pie... however this one is only being shared by 5 people...
Now who is getting more pie? I I I I I I I I
Hint if you say the wormhole kids are getting more you need to go back to the fourth grade and beg your math teacher to not hit you with a stapler
I I I I V Answer: The Incursion eaters get more pie overall
Bonus Question: Whats riskier Empire Space or Wormhole Space, Hint: Pirates in Empire dont get much from ganking your ship... Pirates in Wormhole Get everything they would in Empire AND all the Sleeper tags/Ribbons you may be hauling to market...
DOUBLE BONUS: What type of farming is more sustainable:
Answer: Incursions Explanation: The last week of wormhole life i have only ran sites (not including clearing sleepers on a grav site) two nights, speaking with a former Incursion runner he could viably run Incursions every day of the week if he had felt like it. Nathan Jameson: "Are we playing the same game? You do **** in EVE because you can. " way to go ccp making me have to change things around just to get a good signature |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
188
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Posted - 2012.05.12 12:02:00 -
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Simi Kusoni wrote:Darth stop evading it every time you get your arse handed to you in a debate, and either post a logical and reasoned argument or just accept defeat.
Face it, you've lost this thread. You may as well let it die rather than continuously post empty comments. To be honest I am surprised CCP haven't locked it yet.
Simi do a little research & you could argue your point sooo much better with real math!!! So How many characters live in WH Space according to Dr E? & how much was your math off by? ( on a side not why does Dr E's graph in fanfest 2012 say 5% of Eve's population has been doing Incursions? ) CCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally" |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
982
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Posted - 2012.05.12 12:27:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:Simi Kusoni wrote:Darth stop evading it every time you get your arse handed to you in a debate, and either post a logical and reasoned argument or just accept defeat.
Face it, you've lost this thread. You may as well let it die rather than continuously post empty comments. To be honest I am surprised CCP haven't locked it yet. Simi do a little research & you could argue your point sooo much better with real math!!! So How many characters live in WH Space according to Dr E? & how much was your math off by? ( on a side not why does Dr E's graph in fanfest 2012 say 5% of Eve's population has been doing Incursions? ) So what you are saying is that the CCP statistics you were using are incredibly speculative, highly innacurate and unverifiable?
Well done for finally understanding the point I was making. Have a space cookie.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
Selinate
859
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Posted - 2012.05.12 14:13:00 -
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Are you serious? We take the most risk out of ANYONE in Eve, by far. At any given time while we're running sleeper sites, a new WH can pop up connecting to a hostile WH system and a hostile fleet can suddenly come in and blow up billions and billions of isk in an instant while we're running the sites we need to do to make isk. If WH's inject as much isk as incursions (I doubt this), then it's incursions that need to be nerfed, not WH's. You take away the blue loot, you take away a large portion of the income for the members in WH space that they need just to fund their activities.
This has to be one of the worst ideas I've ever seen. Go back under your bridge. |
Selinate
859
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Posted - 2012.05.12 14:21:00 -
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Mara Rinn wrote:[quote=Roime]
Blue loot is just the same as bounties for everyone else. Why should they get nerved? People are leaving wormholes to go run Incursions because Incursions are so much easier and safer!
They are absolutely not. We have to get our loot out of the WH in order to sell it and make isk off of it. That means either waiting for a high sec exit and carrying around billions of accumulated loot in a hauler, or trying to carry it through other WH systems or low sec. It's MUCH harder for us to profit off of the blue loot. |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
188
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Posted - 2012.05.16 20:10:00 -
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Selinate wrote:Are you serious? We take the most risk out of ANYONE in Eve, by far. At any given time while we're running sleeper sites, a new WH can pop up connecting to a hostile WH system and a hostile fleet can suddenly come in and blow up billions and billions of isk in an instant while we're running the sites we need to do to make isk. If WH's inject as much isk as incursions (I doubt this), then it's incursions that need to be nerfed, not WH's. You take away the blue loot, you take away a large portion of the income for the members in WH space that they need just to fund their activities.
This has to be one of the worst ideas I've ever seen. Go back under your bridge.
WH's inject more ISK into Eve its a fact tweeted by CCP Diagoras. Looks up a little and you'll see the ling to Two Step's blog. Escalation & Inferno has left W-space untouched. CCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally" |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
1001
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Posted - 2012.05.16 20:12:00 -
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:insert previous 16 pages of arguments here:
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
Selinate
871
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Posted - 2012.05.16 20:44:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:Selinate wrote:Are you serious? We take the most risk out of ANYONE in Eve, by far. At any given time while we're running sleeper sites, a new WH can pop up connecting to a hostile WH system and a hostile fleet can suddenly come in and blow up billions and billions of isk in an instant while we're running the sites we need to do to make isk. If WH's inject as much isk as incursions (I doubt this), then it's incursions that need to be nerfed, not WH's. You take away the blue loot, you take away a large portion of the income for the members in WH space that they need just to fund their activities.
This has to be one of the worst ideas I've ever seen. Go back under your bridge. WH's inject more ISK into Eve its a fact tweeted by CCP Diagoras. Looks up a little and you'll see the ling to Two Step's blog. Escalation & Inferno has left W-space untouched.
They should be left untouched. Anyone who disagrees should try living in one, and then subsequently come back here to complain about how they lost their ship within 30 seconds of moving in.
Go cry somewhere else, you're full of it. |
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Mr Bigwinky
4U Services Inc. Talocan United
226
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Posted - 2012.05.17 12:16:00 -
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Selinate wrote:They should be left untouched. Anyone who disagrees should try living in one, and then subsequently come back here to complain about how they lost their ship within 30 seconds of moving in.
Go cry somewhere else, you're full of it. And by it, he means shit. Welcome to EVE online, here's your rubix cube, go F*** yourself GÖÑ |
Karloth Valois
1st. Pariah Malefactor corp.
25
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Posted - 2012.05.17 12:40:00 -
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Selinate wrote:They should be left untouched. Anyone who disagrees should try living in one, and then subsequently come back here to complain about how they lost their ship within 30 seconds of moving in.
Go cry somewhere else, you're full of it.
This is the best point of the topic for two reason. 1st if you are bitching and moaning that Wormholes make more money than you, move into one and make that insane unfair amount of money for yourself...see you in a few weeks when your crying that you cant fuel your POS/make any isk because your hauler to sell it all got blown up trying to get a weeks worth of income to market/got blown up by someone not in local/sleepers are too hard with there pesky neuting and shooting at your lowest resist
2nd reason, you are full of **** It's not been nice, but thanks for using lube
1st. Pariah Malefactor Corp. |
Samillian
Moonshine Industries The Last Chancers.
151
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Posted - 2012.05.17 15:04:00 -
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Honestly Darth I admire your ability to totally ignore any facts that you find inconvenient. |
Morganta
Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia
1143
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Posted - 2012.05.17 16:07:00 -
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Apolyon I wrote:maybe because wh offers REAL isk
fixed that for you monocle-boy
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Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
424
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Posted - 2012.05.17 16:13:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:WH's inject more ISK into Eve its a fact tweeted by CCP Diagoras. Looks up a little and you'll see the ling to Two Step's blog. Escalation & Inferno has left W-space untouched. WH's are occupied by more people than ran incursions, wh's are more dangerous than incursions and WH's don't just make your wallet flash...
Working as intended.
Wormholes: The *NEW* end game of Eve - Online: No Local. No Lag. No Blues (No Intell Channesl). No Blobs.
NEW FEATURE: NO INCARNA! |
Apolyon I
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
40
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Posted - 2012.05.17 19:54:00 -
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Morganta wrote:Apolyon I wrote:maybe because wh offers REAL isk fixed that for you monocle-boy real risk generates risk isk, you jelly??? |
Bane Nucleus
The Kairos Syndicate Transmission Lost
51
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Posted - 2012.05.17 20:52:00 -
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Apolyon I wrote:Morganta wrote:Apolyon I wrote:maybe because wh offers REAL isk fixed that for you monocle-boy real risk generates risk isk, you jelly???
LOL @ monocle-boy. Apo, you make friends so easy. |
saltrock0000
Obsessive Compulsive Disasters
54
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Posted - 2012.05.17 22:00:00 -
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Apolyon I wrote:maybe because wh offers REAL risk
Really????
The only "risk" in a wormhole is you forget to hit that scan button every 5-10 seconds and look for combat probes. |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
1012
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Posted - 2012.05.17 22:40:00 -
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saltrock0000 wrote:Apolyon I wrote:maybe because wh offers REAL risk Really???? The only "risk" in a wormhole is you forget to hit that scan button every 5-10 seconds and look for combat probes. I have met quite a few players that believe that. They see the combats out and instantly warp off to a safe, before leaving the way they came in. Problem is I've usually been watching them, and log in on the other side of the wormhole just as they warp to it.
Other times I just find them on directional and warp straight into their site after getting a warp in with my alt, decloaking as I land on them. Depends on the ship though, since the sleepers have an annoying tendency to swap targets I don't usually do that if I'm in recons.
Either way, people who use combats are idiots. The only time you should ever be using combat probes inside or outside of wormholes is if someone is in a safe spot or a mission. Even safe spots you can get without probes if they made the spot in line between two celestials.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
Apolyon I
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
40
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Posted - 2012.05.18 03:45:00 -
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Bane Nucleus wrote:Apolyon I wrote:Morganta wrote:Apolyon I wrote:maybe because wh offers REAL isk fixed that for you monocle-boy real risk generates risk isk, you jelly??? LOL @ monocle-boy. Apo, you make friends so easy. I know, this monocle thingy works everytime |
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Mr Bigwinky
4U Services Inc. Talocan United
227
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Posted - 2012.05.18 08:55:00 -
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saltrock0000 wrote:Apolyon I wrote:maybe because wh offers REAL risk Really???? The only "risk" in a wormhole is you forget to hit that scan button every 5-10 seconds and look for combat probes. Hahahaha.. okay confirming that I need combats to catch you.
Don't worry about the HICs we have on the wormholes or that dictor we warped to your POS, alligned to where you are and cloaked.
You're not safe. Not ever.
Even if you do manage to make it to your POS, if you acted this way when I connected to your system, i'd just remove your f*cking POS, not many WH entities take too kindly to pansy-ass farmers who don't fight. Welcome to EVE online, here's your rubix cube, go F*** yourself GÖÑ |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
1015
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Posted - 2012.05.18 09:02:00 -
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Mr Bigwinky wrote:saltrock0000 wrote:Really????
The only "risk" in a wormhole is you forget to hit that scan button every 5-10 seconds and look for combat probes. Hahahaha.. okay confirming that I need combats to catch you. Don't worry about the HICs we have on the wormholes or that dictor we warped to your POS, alligned to where you are and cloaked. You're not safe. Not ever. Even if you do manage to make it to your POS, if you acted this way when I connected to your system, i'd just remove your f*cking POS, not many WH entities take too kindly to pansy-ass farmers who don't fight. Look on the bright side, some of these imbeciles who think you need combats in wormholes are probably going to be trying out wh space soon.
Time to farm me some free c1/c2 tengu kills.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
Samillian
Moonshine Industries The Last Chancers.
154
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Posted - 2012.05.18 09:37:00 -
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saltrock0000 wrote:Apolyon I wrote:maybe because wh offers REAL risk Really???? The only "risk" in a wormhole is you forget to hit that scan button every 5-10 seconds and look for combat probes.
WHspace corps killboards are stuffed with people who think like you, keep up the good work. |
Gorki Andropov
Kerensky Initiatives
443
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Posted - 2012.05.18 09:45:00 -
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DARTH NEFARIOUS, I AM PETITIONING THIS THREAD'S TITLE BECAUSE OF IT'S WANTON RACISM |
Tasiv Deka
Ganked And T Bagged
38
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Posted - 2012.05.18 15:17:00 -
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Gorki Andropov wrote:DARTH NEFARIOUS, I AM PETITIONING THIS THREAD'S TITLE BECAUSE OF IT'S WANTON RACISM Petition the OP because of his Wanton whining... now i want wantons... to the Chinese Resturaunt Nathan Jameson: "Are we playing the same game? You do **** in EVE because you can. " way to go ccp making me have to change things around just to get a good signature |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
211
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Posted - 2012.06.04 08:52:00 -
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Simi Kusoni wrote:Mr Bigwinky wrote:saltrock0000 wrote:Really????
The only "risk" in a wormhole is you forget to hit that scan button every 5-10 seconds and look for combat probes. Hahahaha.. okay confirming that I need combats to catch you. Don't worry about the HICs we have on the wormholes or that dictor we warped to your POS, alligned to where you are and cloaked. You're not safe. Not ever. Even if you do manage to make it to your POS, if you acted this way when I connected to your system, i'd just remove your f*cking POS, not many WH entities take too kindly to pansy-ass farmers who don't fight. Look on the bright side, some of these imbeciles who think you need combats in wormholes are probably going to be trying out wh space soon. Time to farm me some free c1/c2 tengu kills.
So how has that improved the bottoming out of T3 prices while all other ships have increased in price since Escalation? EVE residents: 5% WH; 8% Lowsec; 15% Nullsec; 72% Highsec.CSM 7: 1 highsec resident out of 14.CSM demographics vs EVE demographics, nothing to worry about... |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
1157
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Posted - 2012.06.04 09:01:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:Simi Kusoni wrote:Mr Bigwinky wrote:saltrock0000 wrote:Really????
The only "risk" in a wormhole is you forget to hit that scan button every 5-10 seconds and look for combat probes. Hahahaha.. okay confirming that I need combats to catch you. Don't worry about the HICs we have on the wormholes or that dictor we warped to your POS, alligned to where you are and cloaked. You're not safe. Not ever. Even if you do manage to make it to your POS, if you acted this way when I connected to your system, i'd just remove your f*cking POS, not many WH entities take too kindly to pansy-ass farmers who don't fight. Look on the bright side, some of these imbeciles who think you need combats in wormholes are probably going to be trying out wh space soon. Time to farm me some free c1/c2 tengu kills. So how has that improved the bottoming out of T3 prices while all other ships have increased in price since Escalation? Oh god, you revived this thread again?!
And we've said before, we don't care about T3 prices. People are back running wormholes, T3s are still relatively expensive, life goes on.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
seany1212
Zat's Affiliated Traders Originally Riotous Corps
184
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Posted - 2012.06.04 09:06:00 -
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Simi Kusoni wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:Simi Kusoni wrote:Mr Bigwinky wrote:saltrock0000 wrote:Really????
The only "risk" in a wormhole is you forget to hit that scan button every 5-10 seconds and look for combat probes. Hahahaha.. okay confirming that I need combats to catch you. Don't worry about the HICs we have on the wormholes or that dictor we warped to your POS, alligned to where you are and cloaked. You're not safe. Not ever. Even if you do manage to make it to your POS, if you acted this way when I connected to your system, i'd just remove your f*cking POS, not many WH entities take too kindly to pansy-ass farmers who don't fight. Look on the bright side, some of these imbeciles who think you need combats in wormholes are probably going to be trying out wh space soon. Time to farm me some free c1/c2 tengu kills. So how has that improved the bottoming out of T3 prices while all other ships have increased in price since Escalation? Oh god, you revived this thread again?! And we've said before, we don't care about T3 prices. People are back running wormholes, T3s are still relatively expensive, life goes on.
Not empty quoting. While you continue to rage about incursions, incursion runners are returning to wormholes and creating more T3 related goods. Cant believe you necro'd this thread |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
757
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Posted - 2012.06.04 09:06:00 -
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Wait are you saying that the increase in ship prices is somehow related to the incursion nerf and not the removal of drone alloys and massive overhaul of loot tables eh |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
211
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Posted - 2012.06.04 09:17:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Wait are you saying that the increase in ship prices is somehow related to the incursion nerf and not the removal of drone alloys and massive overhaul of loot tables
No I am saying the DECREASE in the price of T3 ships is directly related to the Incursion nerf
I do believe that other ship prices increases are due the removal of drone alloys and massive overhaul of loot tables EVE residents: 5% WH; 8% Lowsec; 15% Nullsec; 72% Highsec.CSM 7: 1 highsec resident out of 14.CSM demographics vs EVE demographics, nothing to worry about... |
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