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CCP Phantom
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2015.06.19 14:10:29 -
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The universe of EVE Online is outstanding with its unique art direction capturing both the dark and dangerous aspects as well as the beautiful vastness and exciting promises behind the stars.
This wonderful universe is ever evolving with new graphics, new ship models, new designs. This time we see a new Dominix scheduled for August, a redesign of several Minmatar ships, and the Gallente Tech-3 Destroyer "Hekate".
Additionally, we see the current Art Director, CCP Huskalr, passing on the torch to the new Art Director, CCP J+¦rg. CCP Huskalr is moving on after 15 years of dedicated, passionate and most successful service to CCP and the EVE Communtiy. Thank you, CCP Huskarl, for all the work and for the beauty of EVE!
Please check out the concepts and images in the latest dev blog The Dominix, Work In Progress And A New Art Director by CCP J+¦rg.
CCP Phantom - Senior Community Developer - Volunteer Manager
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GankYou
Redshield Holding Company
560
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Posted - 2015.06.19 14:14:45 -
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First, with 20 Quafe Domi SKINs in my pocket.
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u3pog
MagypuTe
463
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Posted - 2015.06.19 14:20:10 -
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Good for you. I just sold my last Domi. I would love to fly one of dem Drone Dominixes though. :) With little legs and arms floating around, maybe 2 antennae |
Tobias Frank
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Posted - 2015.06.19 14:23:43 -
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That Dominix redesign is really overdue. Wheres my new Chimera? |
Obidiah Kane
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
24
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Posted - 2015.06.19 14:25:00 -
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Oh man - get those Minnie hulls out!! Awesome stuff...keep your warp to changes Larrikin, I am here for the spaceship porn!! |
Ab'del Abu
Atlantis Ascendant
308
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Posted - 2015.06.19 14:25:21 -
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I like the the new designs! I am just not sure, if it's a good idea to do more than a minor facelift on a ship as iconic as the thrasher/sabre. Personally, I'd rather have it left as is ... |
Draahk Chimera
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
57
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Posted - 2015.06.19 14:29:22 -
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Sorry bro but I really don't like the new thrasher. Please keep it more true to the original.
When it comes to the stiletto I have always liked the hangglider look of the original but I like the new one too.
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Longdrinks
Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
191
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Posted - 2015.06.19 14:29:32 -
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those minmatar designs look awful lol
Trasher is one of the most iconic ships in the game and the new design is totally changing it to some mini loki with weird bits hanging all over the place booooooooooooo |
Manssell
OmiHyperMultiNationalDrunksConglomerate Together We Solo
249
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Posted - 2015.06.19 14:31:45 -
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Please for the love of some Norse god don't ever touch the Minmatar's wingy bits! Remember what happened the last time you touched the Minmatar wingy bits? |
Cardano Firesnake
SnaiLs aNd FroGs Drama Sutra
179
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Posted - 2015.06.19 14:33:47 -
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The new Dominix is great.
But I love the Thrasher as he is now. I don't know why it should change.
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That's all.
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War Kitten
Panda McLegion
6135
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Posted - 2015.06.19 14:34:08 -
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New Domi - Yes Please!
New Thrasher - Do not want. Much ugly, very dislike.
Cerberus - eh.... I like the longer nose better.
I don't judge people by their race, religion, color, size, age, gender, or ethnicity. I judge them by their grammar, spelling, syntax, punctuation, clarity of expression, and logical consistency.
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Obidiah Kane
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
24
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Posted - 2015.06.19 14:35:19 -
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Ignore this neophobia - roll out the new Minnie hulls! |
Deacon Abox
Justified Chaos Spaceship Bebop
507
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Posted - 2015.06.19 14:39:26 -
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I tend not to like redesigns. Still wishing for the original Ishkur with its swirly antennae . And the Domi never bothered me. But thanks for fixing the Probe.
As for the Stiletto, just why? Anyway,
Please leave the visual model for the Claw the way it is. But do change its only two mids.
And while you are at is give the Hound back a shark dorsal fin.
edit yeah and what is wrong with the existing Thrasher model? Who makes these decisions? And why have they not prioritized the Imicus?
CCP, there are off buttons for ship explosions, missile effects, turret effects, etc. "Immersion" does not seem to be harmed by those. So, [u]please[/u] give us a persisting-áoff button for the jump gate and autoscan visuals.
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Sarmatiko
1687
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Posted - 2015.06.19 14:41:11 -
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Dominix, Stiletto, Probe redesigns - awesome! Thrasher redesign is rather controversial. Minmatar have other ships that require redesign ASAP - fugly low-poly stern Rupture, for example. |
War-Dance
RUST.
0
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Posted - 2015.06.19 14:41:52 -
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Loving the new Mini designs!
New thrasher FWARRRRR!!!!!! Can't wait to see it covered in 200mm AC's :) |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
14522
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Posted - 2015.06.19 14:42:25 -
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Menero Orti
Jedran Space Services Manifest Destiny...
42
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Posted - 2015.06.19 14:42:32 -
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Yeah the Imicus/Helios REALLY needs a new design |
Kenhi sama
Konstrukteure der Zukunft The Initiative.
7
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Posted - 2015.06.19 14:43:26 -
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Awsome! Great work on the Domi :-) |
Gellenter Pl
Thou shalt not kill A Nest of Vipers
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Posted - 2015.06.19 14:43:45 -
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New Trasher looks Caldari to me... Take off the solar panels, and change the color, and you have a new Cormorant |
Rowells
ANZAC ALLIANCE Fidelas Constans
2534
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Posted - 2015.06.19 14:45:28 -
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DON'T YOU TOUCH MY THRASHER YOU HEATHENS
Other than that excited to see these finally come around. I have been patiently waiting for the dominix we peeked at to finally become reality. |
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War Kitten
Panda McLegion
6135
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Posted - 2015.06.19 14:51:35 -
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Obidiah Kane wrote:Ignore this neophobia - roll out the new Minnie hulls!
Except the Thrasher. Don't use that one.
Because it is ugly.
Edit: Honestly, if you want to rework the Thrasher, that's cool - but stick with its iconic design features and improve them. The nose and the wingy gills are awesome. You can't just throw that away.
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Gilbaron
Free-Space-Ranger Nulli Secunda
1793
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Posted - 2015.06.19 14:52:07 -
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o7 Huskarl :) |
Nissui
124
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Posted - 2015.06.19 14:57:43 -
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I think the Stilleto concept is outstanding and really makes the T2 stand apart from the Slasher. I would love to fly that hull.
The Probe also looks good, and I'd be interested to see the Cheetah variation as well as I use both. Nice work and look forward to see this developed more.
The Thrasher... did not need a redesign IMO. The design currently slated also does not resemble a combat vessel to me, but a modular multipurpose hull. It's in interesting ship, just doesn't feel like a Thrasher. There are designs among the Thrasher concepts such as H, I, or J which look more solid and aggressive as a 'destroyer'. |
Phoenix Jones
Isogen 5
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Posted - 2015.06.19 15:00:33 -
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CCP: they are still mad at us... Quick, dangle the Dominix Redesign Carrot.
Edit (seems like they are actually doing it)
Yaay!!!!
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Callic Veratar
678
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Posted - 2015.06.19 15:04:35 -
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I love the probe and stiletto designs. No so big on the thrashers. A rework of the existing design would be fantastic: the top middle of this one is really good. For the other more radical designs, replace the awful Talwar model with something similar to h, k or j from here. |
Bentakhar
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
38
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Posted - 2015.06.19 15:06:39 -
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yay!! finally the dominix change!! Looks like you made it a little too wide at the top front there on the 3D model in white... compared to the concept art which was a bit thinner and more aesthtecially pleasing.
Also i suppose it's way too late to add more engines on the domi? look at the brutix's myriad of awesome engines! the domi looks like it couldn't actually move much.
Anyway...
I love the new minmatar direction , its a bit daring but looks fresh And that artist is really really talented and designed the best looking ships in eve so far! Altho i feel like the concept art for the thrasher would be more suited for a Battlecruiser size ship (cyclone perhaps). espacially if you compare with the hecate, which beyond looking really uninspired (enough with the WWII references pleeeeeease) also looks like it could be a drone in terms of scale!!!
to sum up: SCALE COHERENCE
Also it is true that the thrasher is an iconic ship. maybe that redesign is a bit too far. I would also like to point out that it would be great if the redesigns were made taking a bit more race coherence into account... the new Chimera and Jackdaw look like they belong alongside a rokh, corax or a naga ... but the minmatar have a bit too many styles
> the carrier look: nid, hel, typhoon > the sailboat look: probe, stiletto, velator, scythe > the wingy vertical look: maelstrom, tornado, naglfar, tempest > the thrasher look: thrasher , cyclone > the wtf ugly look: loki and both Tech3 and Tier3 destroyer > etc...
to sum up: STYLE COHERENCE
>>>> tldr; to sum up the sum ups: good job on all the new designs (except the hecate) but make sure to keep SCALE and STYLE coherent trhoughout races and ships.
Also the most urgent redesigns are the CELESTIS and IMICUS. They are a disgrace to the beauty of Eve and not worthy of receiving our excess pod fluids.
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Rosewalker
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
174
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Posted - 2015.06.19 15:07:00 -
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The important question is: now that Eve Online has a new art director, does this mean we will see pink ships in space?
The Nosy Gamer - CCP Random: "hehe, falls under the category: nice try, but no. ;)"
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Ferni Ka'Nviiou
Republic University Minmatar Republic
17297
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Posted - 2015.06.19 15:07:23 -
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The Stilletto looks great, the Probe looks a bit much like the Reaper (not that it's a bad thing), the Dominix obviously looks good (not different to the current, just better --the way it should be).
The Thrasher.... really doesn't need a redesign. And it definitely SHOULD NOT be given the same design-style as the Caldari redesigns. Those concepts are absolutely unnecessarily complex, and far too 'techy,' say, for Minmatar.
Take more inspiration from the current, MINMATAR style. Not just any random design with flappy solar panels.
Those are my thoughts, anyway. |
Helen Grapes
Republic University Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2015.06.19 15:09:12 -
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This isn't THE THRASHER! This is a half destroyed Badger. You've already ruined the Reaper, just leave Mins alone! |
Michael Pawlicki
Aliastra Gallente Federation
6
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Posted - 2015.06.19 15:12:40 -
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I like the way things are going in terms of the ship designs. As long as the Minmatar redesigns look like hatred incarnate I'm good. |
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Vesan Terakol
Black Saints Reverberation Project
115
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Posted - 2015.06.19 15:14:15 -
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Those are all absolutely gorgeous!
IMO, the thrasher has a pretty up to date look and did not need much work, unlike some other Minmatar ships, that haven't aged well - like the Vigil or the Rupture (as iconic as it is, the model's age has been made even more apparent by the new shaders).
Awesome work! Keep it up! |
Nagarythe Tinurandir
Cataclysm Enterprises Pandemic Legion
212
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Posted - 2015.06.19 15:16:18 -
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o7 Huskarl
Redesigns good, except the Thrasher. Its model is one of the better looking, despite its age, and it fits nicely with all the new models already redesigned. There are a lot of ships that need the treatment much more urgently (Imicus/Helios, Celestis/T2Variants or Bellicose/T2Variants, if you wanna stick to Minmatar). |
Lord Echon
Star-Crossed Enterprises
14
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Posted - 2015.06.19 15:20:56 -
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The new Minmatar designs are a big improvement on the current ones, except for the trasher. You need to start over on that one. |
Milton Middleson
Scrap Metal Squadron
569
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Posted - 2015.06.19 15:27:32 -
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The Thrasher is iconic, and is already one of the best looking ships in the game. The 'gills', frontal profile, etc... are very reminiscent of a shark or a piranha or something else aquatic and predatory. You get the idea. I'm not opposed to tweaking the model, but it ought to retain the essential character. The proposed redesign looks like you fired magnet through a scrapyard. Even the junkiest looking Minmatar ships still look engineered.
edit: except the Burst, but 'looks more like the Burst' is not a positive commentary on something's appearance. |
Jenshae Chiroptera
1722
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Posted - 2015.06.19 15:28:46 -
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Unless you are planning to give us a patch where we can land on a planet's surface then you don't need to make every ship look like an aeroplane / glider. (Stilletto, Probe and Hecate)
The thrasher design is needlessly complex.
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Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc Brave Collective
1845
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Posted - 2015.06.19 15:28:58 -
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No mention of the suggested griffin model from the community?
Be careful with the probe, it looks close to the reaper
Be careful with the thrasher, its a bit too caldari-like.
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Bariolage
Control F9
45
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Posted - 2015.06.19 15:29:03 -
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The WIP painted thrasher looks great. The re-imagining feels as bold and risky as Minmatar should feel. I like the direction Minmatar is slowly taking on with highly varied hulls. So many little details to look at and pour over. |
Aeril Malkyre
Knights of the Ouroboros
413
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Posted - 2015.06.19 15:29:24 -
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Dominix: Looking gorgeous, get it rolled out. Stiletto: Really like it, it still looks like the same ship, just sleeker and meaner. Probe: Love the extra detail on the little dinghy.
Thrasher: NO NO NO NO NO NO NO. That's a Caldari vessel. Stop with the damn pointy bits and antennas every fricking where. The Thrasher is a mean looking thing with gills, a sloped forehead and a front spike. Those are way, way, way too out of the Minmatar meme. The Stiletto and Probe still look like themselves, just enhanced. Focus on that. ENHANCE the Thrasher. Don't remake it into something it isn't. You can make the Sabre a bit fancier, but don't get ridiculous.
Get your Caldari out of my Minmatar. |
Anabella Rella
Gradient
1951
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Posted - 2015.06.19 15:32:36 -
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Not loving the direction you want to take the Minmatar ships in, not at all. The Probe redesign looks way too much like the Reaper rookie ship and what the heck are those big wings on the Stiletto? As for the Thrasher concepts...no, please just no.
Please try to create an overall design theme for Minmatar and not just, as another poster put it, Caldari with wingy bits pasted everywhere.
When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.
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Kimimaro Yoga
Paragon Trust The Bastion
44
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Posted - 2015.06.19 15:35:04 -
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Dominix redesign is good. You know what would be really good though?
Adding a skin for the Domi to make it look like the infested drone version. Because that would be so awesome, I would throw money at you the moment it came out.
Adding a vote to "please don't use that new thrasher model". The problem with it is that it's simply too busy. As noted before, it has enough sections to make sense as a model for a larger ship. At the levels of zoom people are often using to look at ships, it won't have a distinct shape the way the current one does, it'll just be a pile of messy polygons. Consider that many frigates and destroyers currently have quite distinct and interesting silhouettes even when zoomed fairly far out. This new thrasher model won't have thatGǪ well it kind of will, it'll be the messy pile that doesn't look like anything in particular.
I think staying closer to the existing model would not only make the sentimental people happy, it would make the ship look less like an accident in a cardboard box factory.
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Akira Kata
Goggles Inc.
0
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Posted - 2015.06.19 15:37:06 -
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Bentakhar wrote:...i suppose it's way too late to add more engines on the domi? look at the brutix's myriad of awesome engines! the domi looks like it couldn't actually move much.
Have you flown a Domi? They are slower than snot off a vacuum-frozen corpse... but that's ok given their drone-boat role. They don't need to be nimble. The update very nicely accentuates the ship's lines while retaining the classic profile. Less potato but still recognizable as a Dominix.
I really like the Minnie updates to the probe and stiletto, but agree with those saying the thrasher lacks the original's menacing feel. IMO, this update looks more like an EW platform vs. a thrasher coming to light you up.
Congrats CCP J+¦rg on your new position! |
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
2081
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Posted - 2015.06.19 15:37:42 -
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Sarmatiko wrote:Dominix, Stiletto, Probe redesigns - awesome! Thrasher redesign is rather controversial. Minmatar have other ships that require redesign ASAP - fugly low-poly stern Rupture, for example.
just make the rupture look even more like a Galleon
give the damn thing sails... Minmatar due use sails... and retractable gun ports on the sides...
oh and please some sort of space plank
and the most important part is some sick awesome looking carving at the front of the ship...
There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people...
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Danmal
Proioxis Assault Force Exodus.
4
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Posted - 2015.06.19 15:51:11 -
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First, I agree w/ previous. Domi, Stiletto, Probe good. The Thrasher is a mess. I hope that's you throwing us a bone, so the community can feel we actually contributed.
Second, I will say is I hope somebody keeps track of consistency within race and difference between races other than the color coding. If a ship looks like it could be any arbitrary race (keyword: crucifier), then what's the point.
Lastly, I am not a fan of the recent symmetry and starwarsi-/startrekization initiatives that characterize many of the recent designs. Ships used to be quirkily different from other games, and that was better so. And yes, I do want my old Fleet Phoon back, oh, and the Tristan. Thank you. |
Azahar Ortenegro
Astromechanica Maxima Astromechanica Federatis
41
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Posted - 2015.06.19 15:52:57 -
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Trash those ideas of yours of a Minmatar redesign, because the results are ugly. |
Jebidiah Forge
Forge Heavy Shipyards
0
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Posted - 2015.06.19 16:03:49 -
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That thrasher looks awesome. And the stiletto and probe are nicely done too. I like this direction of the Minmatar ships.
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stoicfaux
5925
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Posted - 2015.06.19 16:08:00 -
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Quote:If you missed it, you cna take a look a... Goddammit. cna? CNA? Quit making things look so damn different!
Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
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Tau Onyeka
Krusual Syndicate
5
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Posted - 2015.06.19 16:09:57 -
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I'm on the fence with the Thrasher, it's not "terrible" but I feel there's better ways to do it.
On that note: years ago someone made a new look for the Tempest and to this day that thing haunts me, no longer the whole "scaffolding" look but very sleek and focussed, a very strong design language. As we have a new art director and as they're redoing Minmatar, please check this out and see if something like that (not just for the Tempest but for Minmatar as a whole) would be an option. |
Irregessa
Obfuscation and Reflections
125
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Posted - 2015.06.19 16:14:16 -
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Probe looks like a kestrel. Are the Minmatar taking design lessons from the Caldari now? |
Chasin Munny
Augmented Green House Initiative Augmented Skirmish Resource Group
0
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Posted - 2015.06.19 16:18:12 -
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Dominix - hell yah! The design concepts on the Thrasher, however, look and feel too much like some of the newer Caldari models. |
SilentAsTheGrave
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
309
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Posted - 2015.06.19 16:25:20 -
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CCP J+¦rg needs to make a post in here already so I can give him a like!
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Acel Tokalov
Unholy Knights of Cthulhu Test Alliance Please Ignore
29
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Posted - 2015.06.19 16:26:13 -
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Love the new look for the Domi, Stiletto, and Probe, the profile on the new Thrasher looks weird and most of the concepts for it look way too blocky and actually looks a bit more like a Caldari ship than a Minmatar one. It could use a visual upgrade but you should try and keep more of the current profile similar to the Dominix rework instead of overhauling the look so extensively.
The Stiletto and Probe on the other hand are amazing and I can't wait to fly them, the Minmatar frigates and cruisers have needed a visual overhaul for a long time and I am happy that they are finally getting the attention that they deserve. I can't wait to see more like these. |
Kismeteer
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
823
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Posted - 2015.06.19 16:29:32 -
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Sorry, I hate the Stiletto. I fly them often, and already like how they look, which is like a mosquito (with double wings like a dragonfly). The new one looks more like a single wing dragonfly.
The domi looks amazing, and I'm mixed on the thrasher. |
Jafit McJafitson
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
493
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Posted - 2015.06.19 16:31:01 -
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Why are you redesigning ships that don't need to be redesigned?
Domi? Fair enough Stilleto? Fair enough Thrasher? NO! THRASHER IS FINE! Osprey - in dire need of a redesign Atron - in dire need of a redesign
Its a fine design on its own, but if you have to use it for something, use it for the Talwar, not the Thrasher |
Lexiana Del'Amore
Nouvelle Rouvenor
138
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Posted - 2015.06.19 16:33:36 -
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LEAVE THE THRASHER ALONE !!! |
Unsuccessful At Everything
the troll bridge
22008
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Posted - 2015.06.19 16:36:47 -
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New Domi.... about time. New Atron? WHERE IS THE NEW SEXY ATRON WE WERE SHOWN YEARS AGO!?!?!!
That Thrasher... ill be honest, Its not my favorite. Too much of a departure from the original for my taste. But whatever.. ill still fly it. Ill miss my baby Cyclone.
Anyways, Farewell and o7 CCP Huskarl and Good Luck with your new position CCP J+¦rg!
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
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Nijaza
Ordinem Veritatis Phoebe Freeport Republic
18
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Posted - 2015.06.19 16:55:34 -
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Fly almost exclusively Minmatar, so I am happy to see them get the same attention I thought that the only the caldari were getting. I do like bold new look, as your putting it, however I do think that thrasher design would be wasted on the thrasher itself. The thrasher is fine as is, maybe could use a bit of polish, but not all that. What SHOULD be artistically redone, in my opinion, are Rupture, Scythe, and Burst.
FRankly, the celestis and imicus need more attention as well before the thrasher, but strictaly Minmatar, the Rupture has needed a redesign for a long time, the likes of what he Moa went through , vaguely keep the brick shape, but shine that sucka up PLEASE. Lastly, as one of my fav solo pvp ships, the scythe fleet issue, or ,scythe in general, could use a better design. Those exposed pipes along side it's backbone have always bugged me. Thrashers fine, fix these ones first! |
Cleanse Serce
Lonesome Capsuleer
41
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Posted - 2015.06.19 17:01:41 -
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Oh god as much as i love the design path you're taking please, please, please, do not cut Thrasher's head. The overall is really nice, but why did you chop off its head ? Picture B of Variation exploration is much more better than the one in the redesign picture. Give its head back ! xD
I was hopping you would re-design the Basilisk soon though. :( |
Rionan Nafee
465
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Posted - 2015.06.19 17:04:17 -
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Thank you very much for your great work CCP Huskarl und my best wishes for you future! o7
Congratulations CCP J+¦rg and good luck at your new task.
As Minmatar Fan I am very interested in the new Minmatar designs. The new Stilettor looks ... very interresing. I am not sure what I should think about the new Probe. This design looks more like a redesigned Reaper rookie ship. No big iconic sail. I am very skeptical.
The new Thrasher - NO WAY! Where is the brawny and bulky appearance? Where are the iconic shark gills like solar panels? Too much thiny angled details ... No, i don't like the new concepts at all. |
Evelgrivion
Calamitous-Intent Feign Disorder
344
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Posted - 2015.06.19 17:21:02 -
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I really like the current design of the Thrasher, but the redesign is generally good too. One pet peeve though, there's nothing less high-tech looking than sci-fi ships with bell nozzles styled like the Space Shuttle's Main Engines. Those things were designed in the 1970s to function at sea level and in vacuum, and they look it. Eve Online's rectangular engine housings look much better (and more futuristic!) for the game's aesthetic, in large part because the nature of their functionality isn't immediately clear. Space Shuttle engines, which are a known technology, aren't a good fit for New Eden. |
Xercodo
Xovoni Directorate
4219
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Posted - 2015.06.19 17:21:20 -
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If you're gonna redo the thrasher use one of these concepts http://cdn1.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/67315/1/75_THRASHER_VARIANTS.jpg
The rest barely even look Minmatar.
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Mardok Alfrir
Alea Iacta Est Universal Brave Collective
3
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Posted - 2015.06.19 17:23:32 -
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Why change the Thrasher and Sabre? That is a very iconic and well loved hull. |
Algarion Getz
Aideron Corp
32
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Posted - 2015.06.19 17:24:15 -
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Rowells wrote:DON'T YOU TOUCH MY THRASHER YOU HEATHENS This. The current thrasher is one of the best looking ships in the game. Please don't change it into this scrapheap.
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Xercodo
Xovoni Directorate
4219
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Posted - 2015.06.19 17:25:15 -
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Evelgrivion wrote:I really like the current design of the Thrasher, but the redesign is generally good too. One pet peeve though, there's nothing less high-tech looking than sci-fi ships with bell nozzles styled like the Space Shuttle's Main Engines. Those things were designed in the 1970s to function at sea level and in vacuum, and they look it. Eve Online's rectangular engine housings look much better (and more futuristic!) for the game's aesthetic, in large part because the nature of their functionality isn't immediately clear. Space Shuttle engines, which are a known technology, aren't a good fit for New Eden.
It's Minmatar, I think that was the point. :P
The Drake is a Lie
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
10190
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Posted - 2015.06.19 17:25:16 -
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CCP J+¦rg. wrote:
Community influenced designs
On the note of influence from the citizens of New Eden:
*coughSAVETHELANCE!!!!!!!!!!!cough*
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Evelgrivion
Calamitous-Intent Feign Disorder
344
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Posted - 2015.06.19 17:26:35 -
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Xercodo wrote:It's Minmatar, I think that was the point. :P
The SSME isn't even a good engine for the vacuum of space; its expansion ratio is heavily compromised to provide reasonable thrust at sea level.
A lot of research was performed in the 1990s on variable expansion ratio engines, to aid the development of Single Stage To Orbit spacecraft. The spacecraft programs never got off the ground, but they did do a lot of testing of linear aerospike engines.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8c/Twin_Linear_Aerospike_XRS-2200_Engine_PLW_edit.jpg
Rectangular is futuristic. |
Tyanni
Sonic Jihad The Kadeshi
7
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Posted - 2015.06.19 17:37:09 -
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Do anything you like to the rest but for the love of god leave the Sabre hull the hell alone!! |
Xadiran
Moira. Villore Accords
53
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Posted - 2015.06.19 17:49:50 -
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I think some of the variant Thrasher's (the ones labeled A through F) would be a much better pick than the top-heavy thing presented. Something about that boxy piece on top just seems...off
Mostly, however, I don't know why the same rectangular antennas that are on the Blackbird (+variants) are being used on the thrasher. Those are a structure as of right now very unique to two Caldari ships (the aforementioned Blackbird and the Jackdaw). I think if there's one thing that makes the ship look too Caldari, it's those.
I'm sure they could be replaced with some design that actually looks like the LADAR sensors the Minmatar use in their ships.
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Sgt IceQ
Wet Soap Guard
0
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Posted - 2015.06.19 17:50:59 -
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I love the new looks.
Though I will throw in my vote for the Thrasher/Sabre. It looks fine just the way it is, there are worse looking ships that need a redesign (Rapture is a good example) |
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CCP Jorg
C C P C C P Alliance
2
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Posted - 2015.06.19 17:52:17 -
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Hello everyone and thanx for your thoughts and input.
We knew the Thrasher would be controversial - its a really fresh and different design.
Keep in mind these are all still WIP and that-¦s perhaps a key point to take from this dev blog. We are showing you designs at a pretty early stage and looking for feedback.
Also, we thought giving everyone a little inside into our workflow, seeing early sketches etc would be fun to do.
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Unezka Turigahl
Det Som Engang Var
785
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Posted - 2015.06.19 17:53:16 -
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The Thrasher redesign looks AWESOME! Junky and mean looking. Very cool.
The only thing I'm not too keen on is the bit on the underside that is being held on by two tendons. I'm not too fond of big gaping holes in the ship's geometry. It's an aspect of the existing Thrasher model that was retained and should have been discarded! The worst example of ship-hole-itis is the Proteus with its carrying handle subsystem.
I like how the detailed mock-up of the ship has slight grime and some panel color variation, but no rust splotches. It's too bad Minmatar ships don't look like that in game.
Stiletto redesign looks alright. The current one is certainly very dated looking and in need of replacement.
Probe redesign is still a hideous mess. If there is a ship that could use one of the more radical redesigns, it's the Probe. |
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Tau Onyeka
Krusual Syndicate
5
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Posted - 2015.06.19 17:55:13 -
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CCP Jorg wrote:Hello everyone and thanx for your thoughts and input.
We knew the Thrasher would be controversial - its a really fresh and different design.
Keep in mind these are all still WIP and that-¦s perhaps a key point to take from this dev blog. We are showing you designs at a pretty early stage and looking for feedback.
Also, we thought giving everyone a little inside into our workflow, seeing early sketches etc would be fun to do.
PWEASE check this! |
Ransu Asanari
Powder and Ball Alchemists Union Mordus Angels
251
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Posted - 2015.06.19 18:03:50 -
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PLEASE DO NOT CHANGE THE THRASHER
The designs for the Thrasher/Sabre, and Stabber/Vagabond are well loved, and almost anthropomorphic. I'll summarize my feelings in one line:
The Thrasher looks like an pet. The Internet likes pets. Don't mess with our space pets.
You can see the outrage from even small changes that happened accidentally last year, when the fins were removed from the Thrasher:
http://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/2en5z8/rip_how_i_used_to_feel_in_my_thrasher/ http://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/2enbom/oh_god_what_did_they_do_to_the_thrasher/ https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=369717
And it was the same thing when the "ears" were removed from the Vagabond:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=125531 http://eveoganda.blogspot.ca/2012/06/why-you-should-care-about-vagabond.html
Don't mess with our space mamimals CCP. You'll regret it.
I could get into much more specifics on why I don't like the new design, but I'll stop with just this.
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leich
Nocturnal Romance Cynosural Field Theory.
55
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Posted - 2015.06.19 18:20:57 -
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All of the new model are really bad.
The current art direction of eve is bad.
you have so far made the neocom, overview icon's awful.
You have taken our stylish, futuristic sifi game and made it look like dated OS.
to make it worse you have destroyed the balance of the game.
please stop before its to late. |
Owen Levanth
Sagittarius Unlimited Exploration
395
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Posted - 2015.06.19 18:21:23 -
[74] - Quote
The new Thrasher-designs look great. Please make the change as fast as possible!
And I can't wait for the new Dominix! I hated the old potato with a passion. |
Moac Tor
Cy-Core Industries Stain Confederation
92
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Posted - 2015.06.19 18:23:14 -
[75] - Quote
CCP Jorg wrote:Hello everyone and thanx for your thoughts and input.
We knew the Thrasher would be controversial - its a really fresh and different design.
Keep in mind these are all still WIP and that-¦s perhaps a key point to take from this dev blog. We are showing you designs at a pretty early stage and looking for feedback.
Also, we thought giving everyone a little inside into our workflow, seeing early sketches etc would be fun to do.
I like all of those concepts you posted. The Thrasher and the Cyclone I think both need an update to new 'fresh' models, not sure if the one you posted is the right one to go for; although it does look very 'beastly' and is befitting of the thrasher, it also looks very Minmtar with all the bits and pieces stuck together. I really like the direction you have gone in with it. I also think people would get used to it as is always the case, although Minmatar has always been a bit of a marmite race when it comes to their appearance.
The Slasher and Probe hulls look stunning, you should definitely go ahead with those.
Domi is looking good but could do with a bit more pshhh. |
Moac Tor
Cy-Core Industries Stain Confederation
92
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Posted - 2015.06.19 18:26:12 -
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Ransu Asanari wrote:The Thrasher looks like an pet. The Internet likes pets. Don't mess with our space pets. ..... Don't mess with our space mamimals CCP. You'll regret it. I could get into much more specifics on why I don't like the new design, but I'll stop with just this. I'll agree with you on the vaga as it looks like a flying dog or dragon, and bear in mind CCP did redesign it recently and made it look much better.
The Thrasher and Cyclone on the other hand look pretty boring, I can't see any animal resemblance either. |
Jarod Garamonde
Jolly Codgers Get Off My Lawn
2558
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Posted - 2015.06.19 18:29:03 -
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B for the Thrasher, and F for the Sabre, if they absolutely must change the design, at all.
Honestly, I don't think there's anything wrong with the current model, at all, and I'd rather they just do like they did with the Typhoon and smooth it out a bit instead of a complete re-tooling.
At this point, even though I'll likely never plant my pod into a Ferox, again, until I start occasional solo'ing, I shudder to think what the art team will do to my absolute favorite ship.
The rest of those redesigns look absolutely stunning, and I want them all, now.
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Moac Tor
Cy-Core Industries Stain Confederation
92
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Posted - 2015.06.19 18:30:02 -
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Algarion Getz wrote:Rowells wrote:DON'T YOU TOUCH MY THRASHER YOU HEATHENS This. The current thrasher is one of the best looking ships in the game. Please don't change it into this scrapheap. ^ Have to love the pure hysteria when change is announced. There is no way the thrasher hull is one of the best looking ships in the game. |
Utopia Atheras
Powder and Ball Alchemists Union Mordus Angels
36
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Posted - 2015.06.19 18:37:00 -
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I am going to summarise and possibly plagiarise a lot of what others have said and also include my own thoughts.
I really like the Domi redesign, it closely resembles the current design, stays true to the 'organic' look of Gallente hulls. Yet it's sleeker and meaner. I think [as others have pointed out] design consistency is important.
The Stiletto still looks like a Minmatar ship which is good. It's a bit of a stretch in terms of design consistency [as many have commented] but with some small tweaks it could be changed into something that's more 'modern' looking yet retains a lot of the Minmatar charasteristics, like more sails/solar panels.
The Probe is okay, I guess, but it doesn't really look Minmatar. It looks like a cross between a Caldari and a Minmatar ship.
As for the Thrasher. When the devblog showed up on my Facebook newsfeed, without reading the title of the article, my immediate reaction was: Why are they redesigning the Rorqual? Then, I realized it's supposed to be a Thrasher.
The Thrasher, as many have pointed out is an iconic hull, loved by many. It's also a very good looking hull in its current form. In my opinion there is precisely zero need to change it. If people are looking to redesign ships, there are plenty that could use some love, like the Rupture or the Osprey, just to name two that I believe are in dire need of a rework.
The Thrasher redesign looks like a Caldari ship. As others have pointed out, it looks too busy. And I would say it's 'too clean' from the design perspective. It doesn't look like something that was created from recycled materials and spare parts, things scraped together using nothing but a wrench and some duct tape. I also agree with the folks who already pointed out earlier on this thread that some of the 'transition' phases of the Thrasher would have made more sense. Those were exactly my thoughts as well once I actually read the devblog post.
I believe 'design consistency' is very important. The current models have enough racial distinction and they are mostly consistent. I have the feeling that with the Thrasher redesign ships will stylistically look more and more like a variation of the Jackdaw or the Blackbird. The distinction between races will diminish as well as the consistency within each race.
This is a bit of a stretch, but during the production of Alien [the movie] there were two design teams. One was responsible for the Nostromo and in general everything that humans made, while another team [headed by H.R.Giger] was responsible for anything that wasn't made by humans. Maybe, CCP could adopt a similar approach. Have artist commit to a single race to maintain/create racial distinction and as designs evolve maintain consistency. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
10191
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Posted - 2015.06.19 18:46:30 -
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CCP Jorg wrote:Hello everyone and thanx for your thoughts and input.
We knew the Thrasher would be controversial - its a really fresh and different design.
Keep in mind these are all still WIP and that-¦s perhaps a key point to take from this dev blog. We are showing you designs at a pretty early stage and looking for feedback.
Also, we thought giving everyone a little inside into our workflow, seeing early sketches etc would be fun to do.
none of that is "we are giving the ishkur its lance back
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Estella Osoka
Perkone Caldari State
637
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Posted - 2015.06.19 18:56:49 -
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Do not like the new Thrasher design. Current design is still one of the best looking ships out there. |
Manssell
OmiHyperMultiNationalDrunksConglomerate Together We Solo
256
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Posted - 2015.06.19 18:58:03 -
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CCP Jorg wrote:
We knew the Thrasher would be controversial - its a really fresh and different design.
We're glad to see the early sketches, don't get us wrong they are really neat!
But please, please don't get caught up in that terrible corporate mindset that just because something is "fresh and different" that makes it inherently good or something that must be pursued. |
Circumstantial Evidence
190
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Posted - 2015.06.19 19:00:32 -
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The Stiletto WIP goes too far, for my taste. I would like to see more of an evolution of the current design. The flat, straight wings, and the top center piece that the wings flow out from, with its flat shallow angles, suggests Caldari influence to me. Please put some angle back into the wings, and, they should be solar panels. The WIP is flat-shaded, so maybe they were going to be, idk.
I think the Probe WIP looks more substantial than it should. The Probe and variants are light-duty exploration ships. The top solar sail is replaced by a solid, heavy, almost-pyramidal tower structure. Please make this structure thinner. Likewise, the center-forward cockpit extension is short, stubby, and has a thick neck in this WIP. It seems to be borrowed from the Tempest, which is kind of a neat idea, unifying some Minmatar design cues. But these two parts being this tough looking, loses some of the "I need to be careful with this ship" delicacy, of the current Probe. |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
11450
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Posted - 2015.06.19 19:02:43 -
[84] - Quote
Manssell wrote:CCP Jorg wrote:
We knew the Thrasher would be controversial - its a really fresh and different design.
We're glad to see the early sketches, don't get us wrong they are really neat! But please, please don't get caught up in that terrible corporate mindset that just because something is "fresh and different" that makes it inherently good or something that must be pursued.
This goes for everything else CCP is doing, not just ship art. For real.
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Cleanse Serce
Lonesome Capsuleer
41
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Posted - 2015.06.19 19:10:38 -
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Circumstantial Evidence wrote:with its flat shallow angles, suggests Caldari influence to me.
I love new design, but i think that he points out something true in some ways. I've always thought those long straight lines were a Caldari thing. May be you're planning to animate wings in warp ? I would suggest to do the other way around, leave the wings open with angles in non-in-warp state, and put them together in a straight line with no angles when it goes in warp ! |
Faelune
Tous Pour Un
7
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Posted - 2015.06.19 19:10:53 -
[86] - Quote
I don't need to exchange my actual stock of Thrasher against a pile of coal boiler from 19th century branded Thrasher.
Dump that and forget forever |
Niobe Song
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
102
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Posted - 2015.06.19 19:13:38 -
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Old Thrasher has a classic look that should not be changed. That is a pretty cool design though so I propose that instead of the Thrasher you use that model for the Rupture. It would be a perfect change! |
Alexis Nightwish
250
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Posted - 2015.06.19 19:28:37 -
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Thrasher looks like a Caldari ship. Adding solar panels or w/e doesn't change that.
Stiletto doesn't look like an interceptor. Should be much more streamlined. This looks like an exploration ship, closer to the Probe or Zephyr.
The others look good, especially the Cerberus.
EDIT: Oh **** Huskalr is leaving!?
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Alstevar Eastern
Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2015.06.19 19:34:18 -
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The Dominix
Perfect make it so.
The Stilletto
The wings are a bit too large for a Minmatar i think, the rest is good.
The Probe
Good but i don't understand the center up part.
The Thrasher
I dislike the current choice but if you don't change what you have in mind, add a second large propulsion at the back please.
Redesign thumbnail exploration : I and J concepts are interesting.
Redesign WIP : without the top, it's just ugly.
Redesign variation exploration if you don't change your idea :
- B : ok for the Thrasher
- D : ok for the Saber
- F : is interesting
- A,C,E : bad
Please don't try to match it with the Talwar who look like a Earth tank.
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Moac Tor
Cy-Core Industries Stain Confederation
92
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Posted - 2015.06.19 19:36:59 -
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A bit of constructive feedback here.
In this picture have you considered removing the top portion and just using the bottom hull section as the entire ship. It would look more sleek and less bulky whilst still maintaining the aggressive look you are possibly trying to achieve. The top part looks like a mini thrasher stuck on top of a larger ship and doesn't add much to the design. |
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Kaster
Siege Blades
1
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Posted - 2015.06.19 19:40:34 -
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I love the redesigns for all the ships you have been doing. they seem more in line with the ships introduced later in the game.
I see a lot of "Iconic" this "loved" that, however from a person that has been flying in EVE since 2004 i can recall a lot of discussion in the game as to the asymmetric look of most of the ships and how many of the ships looked like junk back during those times. IIRC someone in the art department said that most ships were like that because of limitations at the time they were originally made, but that they always wanted to redo all the ships in the game.
Now this is a case of, like another player posted, "neo-phobia" if all the ships looked like the redesigns they show here from day one, and they started to change them into what they look like now you would all be crying bloody murder as well. I am still waiting for the day of the badass Thorax redesign (pls ) |
Baljos Arnjak
Dark Praetorian Order
87
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Posted - 2015.06.19 19:46:37 -
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I like the new Domi!
The concepts for the Minmatar ships though are a different story. I have a soft spot for Minmatar because they are and will always be my first main's main ship type. The Stiletto is too flat and wings too square, the Probe looks exactly like the Reaper, and every one of the Thrasher concepts are just bad. I always liked that the Thrasher looked like a pocket version of the Cyclone, don't change this! |
Milton Middleson
Scrap Metal Squadron
572
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Posted - 2015.06.19 19:52:15 -
[93] - Quote
Quote:We knew the Thrasher would be controversial - its a really fresh and different design.
It's not that the proposed redesign is a bad model - I certainly wouldn't suggest putting it in the circular file. But it is not as good the current Thrasher model*. I don't mean that as a knock against the artist or artists who designed it. Keep it for another ship. Either another Minmatar destroyer, if one comes out, or use it as an update for a cruiser instead (Rupture, Scythe, or Bellicose are all options).
*The current Thrasher model could stand some touch ups, but the underlying design is one of the best in the game. It looks dangerous, and it looks minimalist and no-frills without looking jury-rigged. Plus, it's arguably only slightly less iconic than the Rifter. |
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
3660
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Posted - 2015.06.19 20:17:16 -
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I'd vote for Trasher redesign versions D, E and J.
73% of EVE characters stay in high security space. 62% of EVE subscribers barely PvP. 40% of all new accounts just "level up their Ravens". Probably that's why PvE content in EVE Online is sub-par and CCP is head over heels for PvP...
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SilentAsTheGrave
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
311
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Posted - 2015.06.19 20:18:30 -
[95] - Quote
CCP Jorg wrote:Hello everyone and thanx for your thoughts and input.
We knew the Thrasher would be controversial - its a really fresh and different design.
Keep in mind these are all still WIP and that-¦s perhaps a key point to take from this dev blog. We are showing you designs at a pretty early stage and looking for feedback.
Also, we thought giving everyone a little inside into our workflow, seeing early sketches etc would be fun to do.
Perhaps it has been mentioned before and I missed it, but here goes:
What is the art teams thoughts on redesigns and allowing classic hulls to stay in the form of skins? Sure we have paint jobs, but there is an obvious desire for classic looks as well as new. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I admit I don't know much about the workload in maintaining multiple hull versions of the same ship. Especially when you consider we are talking hundreds in the EVE universe.
Your thoughts?
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
31931
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Posted - 2015.06.19 21:12:19 -
[96] - Quote
Space Potato Art Deco
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Eli Stan
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
230
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Posted - 2015.06.19 21:22:42 -
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Welcome, CCP J+¦rg.
People sure do get attached to their favorites, don't they? I like the new Thrasher possibilities, but I fly them only rarely. I'd possibly be quite upset if it was one of my favorites getting such a comprehensive overhaul.
If the server database and client installs could handle it, I think it'd be a worthwhile addition to the EVE universe to have ship versions. So the new Thrasher - it'd be the "Thrasher YC117". Those who like their "Thrasher YC116" versions would still be able to fly them - but wouldn't be able to purchase or manufacture any new ones. Upon announcement of the YC117 version, market PvPers would have additional content opportunities. And after release, owners of the older version would have sandbox opportunities of either flying and losing their vintage ships, or hoarding them as collectors, or holding them as investments for later sale.
Do this for both graphic model changes and stat changes.
Can you imagine the market there'd be right now for non-nerfed Ishtars if they were still around? They wouldn't be OP since they'd be subject to destruction if used during combat, and market conditions would make their value very high for those who could afford to use them. Given enough time, and there'd be only a single Ishtar YC116 left in the whole game...
Possible concerns... Rampant growth of the shared cache size for the clients. The market browser could get cluttered, but a simple settings toggle of "Show only current model ships" would eliminate display vintage ships. While assembled and package ships would be untouched by new ship versions, BPOs and BPCs of such ships would still have to be changed over, in order to prevent the older versions from being constructed.
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Solhild
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1968
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Posted - 2015.06.19 21:27:16 -
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Domi, fantastic, get on with it.
Stilletto, brilliant - prioritise that!
Probe, much better. Personally prefer more symmetry but that looks relatively balanced asymmetry which is an art form in itself - unlike the awful reaper.
Thrasher concepts, E, I, K are excellent. Suggested design is really great, maybe you should look again at the talwar?
Thrasher variations, B is the winner, probably should use this for the base thrasher model as it look old school. Use EIK variations to develop the Sabre variant, or use the model you've posted??
Love the new direction for Minmatar ships. Can't wait to see what you do with the Rupture.
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Hal Morsh
Aliastra Gallente Federation
318
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Posted - 2015.06.19 21:38:36 -
[99] - Quote
The dominix still looks like a giant turd. I LOVE IT!!!!!
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Sven Viko VIkolander
Friends and Feminists
352
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Posted - 2015.06.19 21:46:39 -
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Hey Art team, I want you folks to know that you have been doing amazing work over the past year, far more productive than any other team it seems. You are the MVPs of the past year, and the game is 100x more beautiful than ever thanks to you! I hope you manage to keep it up for the next year!
On the designs, the dominix is nice but tbh would be hard to make worse than it currently is. The new stilleto and probe concepts are 100% awesome, but the thrasher does feel a little too different. The thrasher is one of the most iconic destroyers, but the new concept art does not seem to preserve the "look" of the thrasher to me. I think there might just be too many "nubs" on all of the thrasher concepts that make it a bit too much of a visual overload. |
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John Frohike
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
16
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Posted - 2015.06.19 22:01:42 -
[101] - Quote
Sweet new designs as always, and congrats on the promotion! |
Euclid Motorhead
Kiwis In Space The Asylum.
12
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Posted - 2015.06.19 22:14:55 -
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New Domi: don't care.
Scroll down, sharp intake of breath...
New stiletto look fantastic!
New probe is nice.
Ruh-oh... not the thrasher! where is the face? where is the little goatee beard on the front? It kind of looks like the jackdaw and the confessor... is there only one right way to model a ship now?
The thrasher change would be a shock to the system and take some getting used to but seriously, gimme the new stiletto as fast as you can! |
Darkblad
Hilf Dir selbst in EVE
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Posted - 2015.06.19 22:45:00 -
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As of now, the Thrasher Ideas still resemble a shortened Jackdaw, with some wingy bits glue to some spots. The somewhat unique feeling of "Somehow, all of this holds together, can't tell why" is pretty much gone.
Will take a closer look later.
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Rio Bravo
Volition Cult The Volition Cult
56
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Posted - 2015.06.19 22:50:47 -
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The Domi always felt like I was flying around in a 45 gallon drum....Now it's been chopped, and turned into a space ship hot rod! Very sexy! Being as vain as I am, I could never stomach being seen in a ship that didn't go with my look...The 'New' Dominix is a ship I WANT to be seen in!
Kudos on the other ship designs too. Will for sure be buying a Domi for the release in August...might get the Interbus skin for it too! Also doubles as a Super-Duty level IV mining mission gas miner...When I get bored of null.
+1 CCP
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Samillian
Angry Mustellid The Periphery
849
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Posted - 2015.06.20 00:04:31 -
[105] - Quote
Really like what your doing with these hulls with the exception of the Thrasher which is an iconic hull that does not need changing.
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Ben Cromwell
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2015.06.20 00:06:53 -
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The new Slasher/Stiletto and Thrasher/Sabre look incredible! I don't post on these forums but maybe once a year but you deserve a round of applause for those new models.
Oh yeah and the Dominix looks great as well but i was just blown away by the new Minmatar models.
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Galphii
Oberon Incorporated Get Off My Lawn
312
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Posted - 2015.06.20 00:11:51 -
[107] - Quote
Dominix redesign is definitely an improvement. 8/10
Thrasher is a very bold change, I like it! 9/10
I was flying a slasher recently and though to myself 'they really need to redo this model'. Good to see the Stiletto getting a treatment and I hope the slasher gets a similar model. 8/10
The probe is very similar to the original, just more detailed. Okay I guess? 6/10
Keep up the good work :)
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Ben Cromwell
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2015.06.20 00:21:30 -
[108] - Quote
Oh yeah also if you are asking my opinion (you werent)
I don't have enough bad things to say about the bantam
Please make the wings on the raven/golem the same length on each side
The hyperion...the engine placement bothers me. Those engines would get shot full of holes.
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Hal Morsh
Aliastra Gallente Federation
318
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Posted - 2015.06.20 00:44:33 -
[109] - Quote
Darkblad wrote:As of now, the Thrasher Ideas still resemble a shortened Jackdaw, with some wingy bits glue to some spots. The somewhat unique feeling of "Somehow, all of this holds together, can't tell why" is pretty much gone.
Will take a closer look later.
New Minmatar designs are supposed to look like flying circuit boards. It means they are advancing.
Dun'Gal > Hal is simply an imperfect ai, though if drunkeness ever gets programmed into ai's I foresee both a hilarious and tragic end to humanity.
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Sylveria Relden
87
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Posted - 2015.06.20 00:57:43 -
[110] - Quote
New Domi design finally??? Shut up and take my plex!
TL;DR If you didn't read the entire post perhaps you're probably ADHD. (seek help)
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CCP Darwin
C C P C C P Alliance
1527
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Posted - 2015.06.20 01:07:55 -
[111] - Quote
Though we didn't get to work with each other that long, I'll sure miss CCP Huskarl, but CCP J+¦rg is a total pro and it's tremendously inspiring to see how hard he's working to make the art director role his own.
CCP Darwin GÇó Senior Technical Artist, EVE Online GÇó @mark_wilkins
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Brokk Witgenstein
Extreme Agony
4
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Posted - 2015.06.20 01:26:59 -
[112] - Quote
Dominix is still the recognizable potato so that's good.
Probe ... is acceptable. Stiletto is nice - something of a crossbreed between a Breacher and a Firetail - provided we can keep the old Slasher design around.
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Alain Colcer
Agiolet Security and Logistics
139
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Posted - 2015.06.20 01:34:59 -
[113] - Quote
Menero Orti wrote:Yeah the Imicus/Helios REALLY needs a new design
and the navitas
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Raven Carci
Association of Commonwealth Enterprises Nulli Secunda
0
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Posted - 2015.06.20 01:45:02 -
[114] - Quote
Oh lord not the thrasher |
Tinukeda'ya Naskingar
Minmatar Expeditions ltd.
59
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Posted - 2015.06.20 03:01:03 -
[115] - Quote
I think I love the new Dominix as much as I hate the old one. Which says great things about the guy who made that new design as the change is pretty subtle with huge effect.
Stiletto and Probe both look great. (And for those who are worried about the Probe loosing it's sail for some weird structure... If you check the side view it's still sail... But it's like Dual-Sail with a support structure... I like it)
As for the Thrasher ... I really hate the promoted version... when I first saw it I immediately saw this. I just hate that and have to agree with others that it looks too much like Caldari ship with some fins slapped on it.
If you have to go thru with this make it like the B version in the variation exploration... at least that one has a hint of the original ship, which I think is really important (look at the Domi). And the F version for Sabre.
"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." - Arthur C. Clarke
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Rio Bravo
Volition Cult The Volition Cult
57
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Posted - 2015.06.20 03:35:32 -
[116] - Quote
CCP Darwin wrote:Though we didn't get to work with each other that long, I'll sure miss CCP Huskarl, but CCP J+¦rg is a total pro and it's tremendously inspiring to see how hard he's working to make the art director role his own.
Yeah. From what Ive seen, got to say theres definite talent at work here.
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Bienator II
madmen of the skies
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Posted - 2015.06.20 04:21:29 -
[117] - Quote
i like all of the new designs. good job!
how to fix eve: 1) remove ECM 2) rename dampeners to ECM 3) add new anti-drone ewar for caldari 4) give offgrid boosters ongrid combat value
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Nomistrav
Aliastra Gallente Federation
316
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Posted - 2015.06.20 04:33:21 -
[118] - Quote
Honestly this would be a golden opportunity to open up the art direction a bit more toward community feedback. The Caracal/Cerberus, honestly, was probably the first time the community's feedback actually weighed in on an official art direction at... well, any point.
I'd personally like to see feedback opened up much sooner on the art direction, maybe even including sketches and what not. It is sort of a bummer to see a design/re-design go into the pipeline at the technical/3D level and then our feedback isn't valued as much because we can only influence minor changes, whereas earlier on the community as a whole could have thought that a particular style was more "Eve-like".
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Aleczi Volikov
The Scope Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2015.06.20 06:36:54 -
[119] - Quote
http://cdn1.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/67315/1/75_THRASHER_VARIANTS.jpg
B is the only design here that I like for the Thrasher. The leading concept is too much of a departure, for many of the reasons stated already by others. To me, it just doesn't look like a fighting ship. The aggressive hull, the forward facing gills, the built-for-speed-and-guns look are all gone :(
I think the only things you've kept of the Thrasher are the things that I wouldn't have cared to see go. Give back it's nose, flip the panels around so they point the right way and fill out that weird tacked-on engine setup and we're in business.
The Stiletto looks like a drone, the domi looks no different (if you were going to have a radical departure, imho this is where it should've been), and the Jackdaw is kind of awesome, though looks more like a terrestrial flying machine than a space-faring vessel! |
John Lawyer
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
36
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Posted - 2015.06.20 07:07:52 -
[120] - Quote
As for minne ships - sharp'n pointy elements makes them similar to caldari and/or ewar stuff (spaiii... :)) It looks like Jackdaw for me now!
Please, keep Thrasher's face! I like concept how this little dragon evolves through Stabber into Vagabond.
P.S.: Thrasher has the highest alpha in a game in small ship class (after svip, whoose is slightly bigger). And design should reflect it. Just think about ~2k volley flying towards you every ~5 seconds! Its form should speak loudly - "dont f***k with me"! Its form should be uncompromised and brutal (like scandinavian black metal).
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Rat Scout
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
10
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Posted - 2015.06.20 08:00:46 -
[121] - Quote
I think the Stiletto is one of the better looking ships since day one, it looked good on old graphics engine and it looks even better now. It's the shape really that mimics a hornet diving in to sting somebody. (edit: I think my first ship loss was to a Stiletto the first time I ventured out in to null sec)
Leave the Stiletto as is, use it on burst? I mean that thing looks like a pancake accident gone wild. |
Dominique Vasilkovsky
BFG Tech
276
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Posted - 2015.06.20 08:19:54 -
[122] - Quote
Congratulations to becoming th enew art director. Can you now please restore the Sleipnir to it's original glory?
Dominique Vasilkovsky EVEboard
Once known as:
Mashie Saldana sold - Anastasia Rigel sold - Monica Foulkes sold
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Raabe
Omni-InternOps
11
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Posted - 2015.06.20 09:05:36 -
[123] - Quote
hi, the trasher redisgns - absolute no go! versions e, f, g, h above all. please no. looks like some grazy anime robot thingis.
but next on your list should be bantam
never change a running system!
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Xindi Kraid
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
965
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Posted - 2015.06.20 09:11:12 -
[124] - Quote
Domi doesn't look half bad, though I never thought the existing design was that ugly to begin with, there's much worse designs that still exist such as the Osprey
I would also say, as much as that new Stilleto looks nice, it also looks NOTHING like a stiletto, and if you are REALLY going to redo some minmatar frigates, the Vigil and the Burst are the ones that REALLY need the update |
Solhild
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1968
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Posted - 2015.06.20 09:32:49 -
[125] - Quote
Having slept on it,
Thrasher Variation B for the Thrasher Thrasher Variation F for the Sabre
Redesign exploration similar to I or K for the a Cyclone update
Thrasher redesign WIP would better fit the talwar?
the look these ships is great but I agree with the comment about the conical engines needing to be higher tech in some way?
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Cardano Firesnake
SnaiLs aNd FroGs Drama Sutra
188
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Posted - 2015.06.20 09:44:29 -
[126] - Quote
Why not using the Thrasher redesign options to change the Rupture. Make it a bit bigger and go...
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Erase learning skills, remap all SP.
That's all.
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Dornhelm Askulf
Northian Enterprises
0
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Posted - 2015.06.20 09:51:37 -
[127] - Quote
Nice sleeker Dominix hull! Takes me from I-am-never-flying-that-potato to I-wanna-see-how-that-looks-when-I-fly-it!
Stiletto Redesign WIP: Cool-looking ship, would love to see it in-game, but it does not look like an interceptor. Most of the mass of this ship appears to be in the wings, which make the ship look heavy and slow. (My first impression was that this was a stealth bomber. The nose pylons echo the Breacher.) The wings look like unraked glider wings. Maybe cut the wing mass to one-half or one-third, rake them back, swap the material to the solar-panel-style Minmatar wings, and then double them to be Slasher-style dragonfly wings? Are there thrusters on this model at all? Hard to tell, but if there are, they may need to be more impressive to give a better impression of this-thing-is-fast.
Probe Redesign WIP: Overall, the ship looks flattened, shortened, and widened. The combination of "flat" and "wide" implies tanky and slow, which what the other races' ships are compared with Minmatar ships. Minmatar ships are generally less tanky and faster/more agile, which befits a sleeker profile. The existing Probe's asymmetrical depths and heights (which are absolutely fascinating to me - I am forever spinning that ship around to look at different parts to imagine what is in each section of the ship) are mostly lost. The redesigned engine nacelles resemble short, fat legs when seen from above/below (granted, the existing Probe's engine nacelles look like square, blocky legs from above/below, but I think they look better when they are more tall than wide). The pyramid on top of the ship looks like it was borrowed from the Caldari and installed backwards. The "neck" is reminiscent of a Tempest, which is nice, but the cockpit with its buglike antennae don't look like a cockpit - they look like the end of the neck which was abruptly terminated. I do like the lances, but not the wings. Summary: please don't replace the Probe with this.
Thrasher Redesign WIP: This is an amazing piece of work and should totally get into the game! But maybe not as a Thrasher. The Thrasher's existence has been exquisitely linked with another ship, as shown in its description: "Engineered as a supplement to its big brother the Cyclone, the Thrasher's tremendous turret capabilities and advanced tracking computers allow it to protect its larger counterpart from smaller, faster menaces." That description gives meaning to the Thrasher's existence and purpose. The Thrasher's design should therefore be visibly similar to the Cyclone's design. (One of the most compelling aspects about the existing Thrasher/Cyclone designs is that they somewhat resemble a freight train coming at you! Nobody wants to stand in the way of a train!) Additionally, this design seems like more of it could be appreciated if it were larger, say as a cruiser or battlecruiser. (If it's going to be a Minmatar ship, it needs more thrusters!) I also recommend flipping it upside-down and experimenting with that.
Thank you for all your hard work!
-Dornhelm Askulf |
flaming phantom
T.R.I.A.D Ushra'Khan
96
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Posted - 2015.06.20 10:43:38 -
[128] - Quote
Dominix change isn't bad, long needed. Stiletto change looks alright, but I don't really see why it needs wings, we are in space after all... Probe change is alright, current one looks lame.
The thrasher though...why? The current ship looks awesome as it is. Maybe tune it a little and make it more sleek and slim, but totally revamping it is changing a pretty iconic ship that arguably looks pretty good the way it is right now. I would be very said to see one of my favorite ships change like your concept designs
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John Lawyer
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
37
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Posted - 2015.06.20 11:04:17 -
[129] - Quote
Want to add to my previous comment, that I really love new Thrasher design but not as a replacement of existing model, but as a separate one. Think of it like a cross-faction pirate ship that utilizes Caldari/Minmatar features. For example, missile boat (from Caldari) and armour tank (Minmatar). Also, new thrasher reminded me WW2 armoured vehicle Sd Kfz 250 (series). |
D'Kmal
Variables Unlimited Chained Reactions
6
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Posted - 2015.06.20 11:09:58 -
[130] - Quote
Stiletto: Good Probe: Good Dominix : Good (finally!)
The Thrasher... meh. I agree that Minmatar ships need to look more advanced, especially when IIRC a good chunk of them were designed around the time of the Rebellion (Scythe, Wreathe, Rifter etc.), so it makes sense that over the course of about 130 years since the rebellion, that the Minmatar, who don't need to scrounge ship components anymore, look a bit more advanced in their ship styling. But this new design doesn't retain the look of the Thrasher as well as the Domi 2.0 does the original Domi, or the Probe 2.0 does the original Probe - as someone said, it could easily be mistaken for a Caldari ship as it doesn't have that signature Thrasher shape or the more simplistic Minmatar design ethos. The Minmatar are all about tribal heritage right? I'm not seeing design heritage here.
I'm all for more advanced looking Minmatar ships (case in point, how awesome the Svipul looks next to something like the Rupture), but I think the Thrasher looks a bit ~too~ advanced - even if it is a nice looking design, in my humble opinion there's just too much going on for a destroyer class ship. The fact that it just looks like a Caldari ship that's been left out to rust just doesn't fit in with what I think of when I think the word "Minmatar" - there ships were always more simplistic, which gave them their versatility and represented their under-funded developments.
It is growing on me though, even as I write this... now, something like this Thrasher design for a new Bellicose.. <3
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Drammie Askold
Phoibe Enterprises
6
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Posted - 2015.06.20 11:11:57 -
[131] - Quote
I agree with much that has been posted here. The new Dominix design is EXCELLENT, a classic updated. I love the little touch of the drone hangar :)
The Stiletto and Probe are really good, although I would thin down the Probe central tower a bit.
The Thrasher . . . urrrrrrr? To me it's too Caldari in appearance and too busy in design. Of the 'Thrasher Concepts' I dislike A & D the least, while the 'Thrasher Redesign' could be improved by removing the top structure. I like B the best in the 'Thrasher Variants'.
Overall I like the new direction Eve art is taking and look forward to more new designs. Thank you for sharing some of the design process with us; it can't be easy having your hard work subjected to criticism, sometimes harsh. Congratulations on your promotion. |
D'Kmal
Variables Unlimited Chained Reactions
6
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Posted - 2015.06.20 11:17:56 -
[132] - Quote
Drammie Askold wrote: Overall I like the new direction Eve art is taking and look forward to more new designs. Thank you for sharing some of the design process with us; it can't be easy having your hard work subjected to criticism, sometimes harsh. Congratulations on your promotion.
I just want to say, I cannot agree with this more. The new art direction, even if I personally don't agree with it completely at times, is a really integral step of making this game look a lot less like the original 2001-2003 designs, and more like a current spaceship game - nobody can deny that some new spaceship games look a lot more advanced at times (Elite and Star Citizen for example), and I really feel that these new designs help keep EVE relevant in a graphical sense, with things such as PBR, V5++ shaders and the influx of new models. The Valkyrie fighters as well <3...
But we cannot neglect EVE's decade+ long history and completely revamp everything to a ~totally~ new style - the new caracal, domi, probe etc keep their races designs legacies... the Thrasher, whilst nice, just doesn't, or at least is too rapid/bold a change compared to other Minmatar ships... unless CCP has plans to do a sudden reveal of a revamp of every Minmatar ship (CCPlease!) :P
Seriously though, it's a real juxtaposition of Minmatar rust and all these advanced hull hardpoint's and sensor arrays and stuff on the new Thrasher model... though maybe it's just showing detail that wasn't always possible on the old models? Maybe Minmatar ships have ~always~ looked like this? Dammit, this new Thrasher model is growing on me, I'm actually starting to see how good it is :P
Keep up the good work, and I hope to see more of these designs!
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Gritz1
Ice Fire Warriors Snuffed Out
231
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Posted - 2015.06.20 11:31:21 -
[133] - Quote
Please do not change my ChooChoo Fish (thrasher) I love the design of it, its wingy bits and all. |
Rionan Nafee
469
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Posted - 2015.06.20 11:44:19 -
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CCP Jorg wrote:We knew the Thrasher would be controversial - its a really fresh and different design. No, this ist NO fresh and different design, this is a complete other ship.
It is good that you modernize the old designs and with the Tempest and Vargur you have done an really amazing work (thank you for this, I love them). But PLEASE be close to the original and iconic shape of the Thrasher and improve and modernize this one. PLEASE don't invent a complete new ship. |
TrouserDeagle
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
1101
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Posted - 2015.06.20 11:54:38 -
[135] - Quote
it would be nice if you could put things on the eve forums rather than reddit. and that thrasher is disgusting. fresh? more like terrible. do redesigns of bad ships rather than good ships, and make them better rather than worse. |
Hra Neuvosto
Fistful of Finns Triumvirate.
358
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Posted - 2015.06.20 11:57:02 -
[136] - Quote
I really like that new Thrasher look, especially the rear end. Domi also looks excellent. |
Unezka Turigahl
Det Som Engang Var
787
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Posted - 2015.06.20 12:09:56 -
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Nomistrav wrote:Honestly this would be a golden opportunity to open up the art direction a bit more toward community feedback.
Nah.... Design by committee is never a good thing. And the general public has terrible taste. The artists know what they are doing, it's their profession. They don't need the "help" of non-artists.
The ship design contest on Deviantart was (eventually) a success though, I think. There was a ton of trash for CCP to sort through, but the top tier of artists came up with a few interesting designs. Then CCP artists took those shapes and worked with them a bit, to produce some pretty cool looking ships. But that is allowing one outside artist to suggest shapes and form, and then filtering it through the usual CCP artists. That is quite a bit different than letting any random Joe Blow from the forums have input.
I like seeing all of this preliminary concept art, and I hope CCP continues to let us see it. But the artists should probably ignore the threads, or take it all with a grain of salt.
Just look at this thread, the Thrasher is going from this to this, and people are crying about it.
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Leto Atal
LoneStar Industries Comatose Alliance
20
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Posted - 2015.06.20 12:10:10 -
[138] - Quote
I like the new Dominix. Refining the original works well. I like the Stiletto, it's miles better than the original. It's harder to tell about the Probe concept from the angle it's shown. It looks promising.
However the Thrasher looks terrible. What the hell is going on with it? I looks like it has taken design cues from the Svipul and the Talwar - both of which look bad. |
Jade Blackwind
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
566
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Posted - 2015.06.20 12:31:27 -
[139] - Quote
The new Dominix is very good. I really like the new Probe, and totally in love with the inty model. It looks like sort of a... killer mosquito. Great.
The new Thrasher, however, is not.
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Erin Crawford
474
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Posted - 2015.06.20 13:42:15 -
[140] - Quote
Unezka Turigahl wrote:Nomistrav wrote:Honestly this would be a golden opportunity to open up the art direction a bit more toward community feedback. ... I like seeing all of this preliminary concept art, and I hope CCP continues to let us see it. But the artists should probably ignore the threads, or take it all with a grain of salt. Just look at this thread, the Thrasher is going from this to this, and people are crying about it.
Couldn't agree more! I really like the new direction the design team is taking the ships - seems like there is better scale judgment/ratio and I really like all the tiny tech bits that a showing on these models - the same happened with the Confessor and Jackdaw - great to see this style and level of detail appearing on a Minmatar ship.
Great work! Keep it up CCP.
"Those who talk donGÇÖt know. Those who know donGÇÖt talk. "
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Mercer Nen
Summicron Holdings
6
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Posted - 2015.06.20 14:17:17 -
[141] - Quote
The new thrasher model is a great looking ship. Unfortunately it doesn't really look like a Minmatar one. Calderi with wings. Thought the Stabber was an excellent redesign which still looked very Minmatar. Comparing the stabber with this new thrasher it's hard to see how they are from a similar family of ships. |
snorkle25
Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad.
12
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Posted - 2015.06.20 16:16:45 -
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First, the goods. I'm really glad you guys are focusing on some ships that badly need re-designs such as the Dominix and Probe. There are a great many other ships that frankly fail to catch the eye in a flattering light from any angle, and these include (but are not limited to) the Bellacose, Scimitar, Aeon and Ragnarock (seriously it looks like the designer just got bored and gave up). Please continue to focus on these areas and bring us awesome looking ships!
Now the others. STOP MAKING GOOD LOOKING SHIPS UGLY!!!!!!!! What in Gods name is this abomination your trying to pass off as a thrasher? It looks like a shoebox with some solar panels glued on at odd angles and in no way does it make me want to fly a thrasher or sabre. I have some serious issues with the art department deciding what parts of EVE need redesigns because you seem to be on a different page with the wider EVE player base. For instance you redesign the Moa, a great move that was needed. Then you neuter the Incursus, a model that EVERYONE was happy with the way that I was. And on top of that you MADE IT WORSE! It wouldn't be so bad if we could just complain and get our pre-abortion Incursus models back, but we can't cause 'we put too much work into it'. So maybe before you go kill another ship model actually get some feedback and STOP AND DESIST! LEAVE THE THRASHER ALONE, YOU'RE ONLY MAKING IT WORSE! |
Martin Corwin
Reasonable People Of Sound Mind
34
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Posted - 2015.06.20 16:26:58 -
[143] - Quote
Please keep the broad forehead of the current Dominix!
Any updates on variant models for the Enyo and Ishkur?
Stiletto (one of my favourite ships) looks awesome. Now, make the design shown the in-warp model and for sub-light just swing the upper wings (lower wings stay horizontal) to about 30 degrees to the top. Would make it even more awesome |
Sarayu Wyvern
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2015.06.20 16:54:54 -
[144] - Quote
When might we be seeing those nice looking Atron and Imicus redesigns you showed a few years back? |
Faelune
Tous Pour Un
7
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Posted - 2015.06.20 17:03:52 -
[145] - Quote
Erin Crawford wrote:Unezka Turigahl wrote:Nomistrav wrote:Honestly this would be a golden opportunity to open up the art direction a bit more toward community feedback. ... I like seeing all of this preliminary concept art, and I hope CCP continues to let us see it. But the artists should probably ignore the threads, or take it all with a grain of salt. Just look at this thread, the Thrasher is going from this to this, and people are crying about it. Couldn't agree more! I really like the new direction the design team is taking the ships - seems like there is better scale judgment/ratio and I really like all the tiny tech bits that a showing on these models - the same happened with the Confessor and Jackdaw - great to see this style and level of detail appearing on a Minmatar ship. Great work! Keep it up CCP.
Not at all The Thrasher is going from that https://duckduckgo.com/?q=locomotive+trains+tgv&ia=images to that http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/219556JEANBART19535auhavre.jpg that would be deconstruct and upside down to fly |
Alek Row
Silent Step
46
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Posted - 2015.06.20 18:10:52 -
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With all the graphical passes you've been doing, some old ships became terrible. The last pass you made (v5something) was in my opinion a huge boost to Minmatar, lot's of ships look great now, the rust stuff is awesome, big thanks to all who made it.
The problem is that you are trying to make good looking ships look better (a very daunting task) instead of improving old ugly designs that did not got much better even with the v5+. I don't think the Trasher needs an update, not even the Probe, and even if you want to do it they should be at the bottom of Minmatar lineup. Rupture, Belicose should be on top (personal opinion).
I understand that you artists like to challenge yourselves, but trying to change the Trasher? If you're going to take into account the community opinion (that's a big if) this will take you months and several iterations. While if you try to improve the Rupture (maintaining the pirate ship look), I wouldn't be surprised if you could make it in 1-2 months. I really like the rupture design, but everything on it starts to look very very outdated, the back of the ship lost personality with all the graphical upgrades, and even if some parts of the ship are very well textured now other parts have, well... nothing on it, it looks bad.
Overall, I don't like any of the new designs, I think you have your design priorities wrong, but I can't forget that I didn't liked the Talwar concepts either, and in the end the ship really looks good. Just hope you can make me change my opinion.
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Haug Wasch
Bastion of Souls
0
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Posted - 2015.06.20 20:32:08 -
[147] - Quote
Have you ever heard the saying "If it isn't broke, don't fix it." Well, the thrasher isn't broken. The new stiletto idea looks great, now that was a broken ship. |
Wylde Kardde
Wrekker Mix
15
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Posted - 2015.06.20 22:10:18 -
[148] - Quote
If your going to change the thrasher at least consider Option D on the Concepts sketch, its the only appealing design imo and somewhat falls in category with ships like the corax with very visible rows of turrets/launchers. the rest on that picture are not as easy on the eyes compared to D
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Lipbite
Express Hauler
1901
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Posted - 2015.06.20 23:06:57 -
[149] - Quote
Domi is decent. Though it look almost exactly like existing hull.
Scythe / Scimitar / Basi / Osprey redesign, please. These look like satellites designed in 70s by Soviet engineers. |
Runner Caldear
CASTLE UNITED
0
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Posted - 2015.06.20 23:38:22 -
[150] - Quote
The minmatar ships have always been flanged together and haphazard. These new models seem a lot more caldari like and a lot less fragile. I think you guys shouls redo this.......
Domi looks cool though. More in line with a ship of it's stature.
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Odessa Day
Velocette.
1
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Posted - 2015.06.21 02:50:59 -
[151] - Quote
The original stilletto looks like a dollar store toy, I can't believe anyone is defending it.
I don't think anyone can argue that the new Thrasher model doesn't look tacked together. I think it looks more Minmatar in that sense than the more streamlined original. I also think it keeps in the Minmatar tradition of abrupt forward jutting appendages.
I also don't think it looks very Caldari at all, the new Caldari ships all have shapes heavily influenced by stealth technology, which is in line with their focus on electronic countermeasures. The new Thrasher has nothing of the sort, it is a blunt and brutally functional looking ship that doesn't seem to be constructed with any concern for aesthetics, what could be more Minmatar than that?
Great work Art Department! Dont listen to the haters! |
Circumstantial Evidence
191
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Posted - 2015.06.21 03:49:43 -
[152] - Quote
Runner Caldear wrote:The minmatar ships have always been flanged together and haphazard. These new models seem a lot more caldari like and a lot less fragile. I think you guys should redo this....... Yes, this. I think the "problem" for Minmatar design started most recently, with the awesome Tornado. So sleek and modern. At the time the "Tier 3" BC's were all new designs that did not quite "flow" from what came before, and I think CCP has perhaps been too concerned that some players might not want to fly a ship that looks "old." The rookie ships had to be redesigned because it's the first ship a new player sees, I understand that one. But every other ship after that is a choice, and I'll pick an old design that looks and says it's old, if it can do the job I need it to do.
Look at this ship description: "The Wreathe is an old ship of the Minmatar Republic and one of the oldest ships still in usage. The design of the Wreathe is very plain, which is the main reason for its longevity."
Let some ships look old, don't go overboard when borrowing modernization cues, from newer designs.Consider bringing back exposed girders on some of the "older" Minmatar designs. (Some girder stuff went away due to removal of sprite-style flat textures, sticking out of ships to create antennas and other fine details.) |
Tyranis Marcus
Bloody Heathens
1433
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Posted - 2015.06.21 04:42:28 -
[153] - Quote
That Stiletto design is really cool. I like the current Stiletto a lot, so I thought, OH NO! But then I scrolled down and saw it and it ROCKS! Can't wait to see it in-game. (Hoping that design makes it.)
The Thrasher designs are ******* horrible. Frankly, any of those changes are going to be downgrades and steps backwards. It's a cool looking ship the way it is. Please leave the Thrasher alone! (I know I'm being rude here, but Jesus. There's no other way way to say it, and I am actually holding back. Please don't inflict that on us!)
The Probe looks interesting, but the current Probe design, with the way it floats unstably in the hangar, is too classic to die. Whatever design you pick for the Probe, please make sure it looks good with the unstable wobble it currently has so you can leave that in! Seeing that removed, from the tech 1 version at least, would be a sad day for Eve. (It might make good sense to remove it from the t2 hull though!)
As for the Domi, I suppose I won't say anything until we get to see that 3D model with a skin. That will be the real moment of truth. Some features were changed from the older drawing, so it will be interesting to see how they look on the finished product. (Not sure that it'll be as good as the other artwork, but maybe it'll be even better?)
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Kalden Rollard
EVE University Ivy League
2
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Posted - 2015.06.21 04:42:47 -
[154] - Quote
I like most of these... but why on earth are you changing the Thrasher like that? It's already quite a sleek and compact design; but again we see some weird fixation on odd asymmetry and shifting of the centre of weight? You've got this weird growth on the top and then the front shifts far too much downward.
On top of that - might I ask why you're focussing on reskinning existing ships when so many t2 variants are just boring-ass reskins? Surely time spent on giving unique models for t2 variants would make the game that much better? |
Tyranis Marcus
Bloody Heathens
1433
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Posted - 2015.06.21 05:10:08 -
[155] - Quote
CCP Jorg wrote:Hello everyone and thanx for your thoughts and input.
We knew the Thrasher would be controversial - its a really fresh and different design.
Keep in mind these are all still WIP and that-¦s perhaps a key point to take from this dev blog. We are showing you designs at a pretty early stage and looking for feedback.
Also, we thought giving everyone a little inside into our workflow, seeing early sketches etc would be fun to do.
I don't think "fresh" is exactly the word I'd use...
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Freelancer117
so you want to be a Hero
290
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Posted - 2015.06.21 06:05:42 -
[156] - Quote
Thanks for your effort in bringing New Eden to live CCP Huskalr
The players will make a better version of the game, then CCP initially plans.
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Pestilen Ratte
Artimus Ratte
24
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Posted - 2015.06.21 06:43:39 -
[157] - Quote
Dominix: Yes. Good work. Great work, even.
Slasher: Are you high? Step away from the pencil, and consider your options.
Life is hard enough for minmatar as it is. Those poor little rust monkeys ought to get a fighting chance.
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Ramlov
Miners Against Rampant Stupidity
0
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Posted - 2015.06.21 08:55:53 -
[158] - Quote
Thank you. Realy happy to see the ships getting some balance to thier looks. Had to run out and buy an Exequror after it was remodled(even though I don't need it) nice work. Removing the Incursus phallic problem was a nice touch now it looks like antenne instead of a ....lance. Hint the Atron is awfully heavy on the right side :) I would like to point out I chose Gallente because thier ships looked sleeker, and not like a bunch of cargo containers thrown together with some solar panels on top. Admittingly that look is interesting just not for me. The Thrasher though is one of the few Minmatar ships that dosen't need a redesign. Nice work, please keep at it. I know I don't speak for everyone but I'm sure most of us like a ship that has a balanced look, and not trying to drag an ungainly chunck of junk around with it.(for those wondering I like the Comet and the Brutix) Looking forward to the future ships changes. Keep up the good work. |
Merior
Class D In Space Weyr Syndicate
5
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Posted - 2015.06.21 10:35:39 -
[159] - Quote
Apart from ships that are ugly in that their mass is off centre and the lh side is not a virtual mirror image of the rh side, I don't see a need to redesign any of the ships. That is unless you look at the Svipul which transforms from a perfectly acceptable ship into embarrassing configurations which don't look fit for the purpose. So from a personal perspective you can leave ships like the Dominix alone as restyling them will do nothing to make my Eve experience better (and tends to inhibit it) whereas restyling the ships that look like two halves of separate ships glued together might encourage me to buy one, regardless of whether I truly need one or not, so long as the end result is aesthetically pleasing.
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Alstevar Eastern
Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2015.06.21 10:48:38 -
[160] - Quote
Well, the new Thrasher Redesign WIP is good for a new destroyer but it's definitely not the Thrasher.
You show us the possibility to add some parts on it but it can be better without some others.
Like this : http://i.imgur.com/v2W4Ij4.jpg
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Stefan Silviu
Knowledge is Money - Money is Power
11
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Posted - 2015.06.21 11:07:29 -
[161] - Quote
all these new designs look good but when do we get a new celestis ? that monster makes me sick to the stomach every time i see it ... gross |
Electra Magnetic
Old Spice Syndicate Intrepid Crossing
30
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Posted - 2015.06.21 12:28:14 -
[162] - Quote
ah the great potato getting some love. That is truly amazing |
Bentakhar
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
40
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Posted - 2015.06.21 13:11:21 -
[163] - Quote
Alstevar Eastern wrote:Well, the new Thrasher Redesign WIP is good for a new destroyer but it's definitely not the Thrasher. You show us the possibility to add some parts on it but it can be better without some others. Like this : http://i.imgur.com/v2W4Ij4.jpg
not bad lol . |
Solhild
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1968
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Posted - 2015.06.21 15:50:12 -
[164] - Quote
Bentakhar wrote:Alstevar Eastern wrote:Well, the new Thrasher Redesign WIP is good for a new destroyer but it's definitely not the Thrasher. You show us the possibility to add some parts on it but it can be better without some others. Like this : http://i.imgur.com/v2W4Ij4.jpg not bad lol .
Agreed, it does seem to work well like that. |
Nomistrav
Aliastra Gallente Federation
316
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Posted - 2015.06.21 16:53:42 -
[165] - Quote
Unezka Turigahl wrote:Nomistrav wrote:Honestly this would be a golden opportunity to open up the art direction a bit more toward community feedback. Nah.... Design by committee is never a good thing. And the general public has terrible taste. The artists know what they are doing, it's their profession. They don't need the "help" of non-artists. The ship design contest on Deviantart was (eventually) a success though, I think. There was a ton of trash for CCP to sort through, but the top tier of artists came up with a few interesting designs. Then CCP artists took those shapes and worked with them a bit, to produce some pretty cool looking ships. But that is allowing one outside artist to suggest shapes and form, and then filtering it through the usual CCP artists. That is quite a bit different than letting any random Joe Blow from the forums have input. I like seeing all of this preliminary concept art, and I hope CCP continues to let us see it. But the artists should probably ignore the threads, or take it all with a grain of salt. Just look at this thread, the Thrasher is going from this to this, and people are crying about it.
Sure, but in the same sense I think the person who has to stare at the design for hours on end deserves at least some say in it. Random Joe blow from the forums maybe not so important but when it is a great majority of Blows saying that the design isn't up to snuff, different story. It isn't so much artists versus non-artists, either; I used to work in a tattoo shop and even though the customer wasn't an artist I still had to consider their input because in the end it is their skin.
Most of this sort of opinionated thinking stems from the fact that I really do hate the Hecate design with every fiber of my being and as excited as I am on the concept of a T3 Destroyer it just looks so bland and disinteresting to me. The animation concepts look as though the artist didn't want to put much work into it by comparison to say, the Svipul, which has some rather astounding animations.
But, yanno, I can just as easily not fly the thing.
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P3ps1 Max
Hedion University Amarr Empire
28
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Posted - 2015.06.21 17:48:33 -
[166] - Quote
I guess this means I'll no longer be able to name this ship "potato" |
Solhild
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1968
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Posted - 2015.06.21 18:15:27 -
[167] - Quote
Just looked again at the stiletto. Excellent stuff, seriously!
I can't wait to see it in game.
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Tashiell Gao
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2015.06.21 19:29:01 -
[168] - Quote
Ain't enough duct tape or rust on the surface, when did minmatar become Caldari |
Zycorax II
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
4
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Posted - 2015.06.21 23:15:25 -
[169] - Quote
Nooo, not the Probe =( At least let it keep its current bridge and top wingy bit. |
Dun'Gal
Myriad Contractors Inc.
257
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Posted - 2015.06.22 01:15:01 -
[170] - Quote
I'm all for being creative, and "artistic licens" but that Thrasher redesign is complete garbage. Updating the model is one thing, but a change so drastic, isn't necessary, especially with those WIP images as an example of what we might expect. They are terrible. The rest of the designs, I can certainly sink my teeth into, and very much like - but no to those Thrasher concepts. |
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Rawketsled
Generic Corp Name
202
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Posted - 2015.06.22 01:27:31 -
[171] - Quote
Chiming in with my opinion:
Thrasher bad.
Everything else is sexy. |
Hong Hu
EVE University Ivy League
23
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Posted - 2015.06.22 02:26:27 -
[172] - Quote
Those Minmatar ships. OMG, no.
I think you have done well with the Tempest and Typhoon. The Stabber was a win.
But the Thrasher I think is quite good as is. And the concept drawings for the Stiletto and Probe, just awful. The Stiletto as it currently is looks fast. This idea, it looks slow and unswept. A non issue in RL space but this is Eve. Submarine physics in space. The Probe reminds me of a mash up between a Blackbird and the Matari noob ship.
If there was a ship in need of a rework of it's art I'd suggest the Wreath/Prowler. I've never thought the mid section looked like a cargo carrier. Much to thin for something carrying stuff.
But thank you for sharing. |
Revolving August
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2015.06.22 05:00:56 -
[173] - Quote
I do not want to sound rude, but I will only state it to help the forum post and for CCP to look as professional as possible.
In the following line, "If you missed it, you cna take a look at this dev blog for more information on the V5++ project". The typo, Cna should be, can.
Other than that, I wish you the best with your new art directer and I'm looking forward to getting the new visual updates to the old ships.
I'm an Avid gamer with too much time on my hands!
Warm Regards,
Will
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Manina
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2015.06.22 10:31:03 -
[174] - Quote
Big thanks to everyone in the art team.
Allow me an opinion:
Some of the new designs this past year, mostly the caldari ships, although refreshing as designs, and with much attention to detail, fail in one thing: To give you the sense of magnitude of the ship, the scale.
The new Caracal viewed with nothing next to it to compare could be 50 or 500 meters long. You just cant tell. The only thing I can think of that gives you the scale of a given ship, is something that can be visibly compared to a human. And thats windows, bridges, maybe cockpits or even hatches on smaller ships.
The lack of windows on ships visually makes them look like pretty drones.
Take the new unskined frigates you are working on, if there are no lights coming from the inside of the ship, from a bridge or a cockpit, could pass as cruisers as well. And fine models of them I would like to add.
It does not have to be filled with unnessesary windows textrures like the old Caracal was, but a few of them, again, would give an idea of how big, or small the ship is.
The new Thrasher you are working on looks that alot of work has been put into it. But I agree with many of the people here that it lacks the minmatar flavor in a way.
Also the new Domi. The bridge is at an angle with the rest of the ship. It may make it look mean, but its a bit weird too. Maybe the artificial gravity on that part of the ship is at an angle of the rest of the ship too.
Thank you again for your work, and good luck to the new managment. |
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CCP Darwin
C C P C C P Alliance
1534
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Posted - 2015.06.22 10:43:10 -
[175] - Quote
Manina wrote:The only thing I can think of that gives you the scale of a given ship, is something that can be visibly compared to a human. And thats windows, bridges, maybe cockpits or even hatches on smaller ships. I'll point out that even on the smallest ships, features that look like "cockpits" are usually several stories high when judged against the ship's stated scale.
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Xindi Kraid
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
965
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Posted - 2015.06.22 13:01:35 -
[176] - Quote
I would assume that's because they are probably bridges or observation decks. |
Orm Magnustat
Red Serpent Industries
79
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Posted - 2015.06.22 13:10:11 -
[177] - Quote
... almost looks like my good ol space cow is gonna change into something mean and lean? |
Krell Kroenen
The Devil's Shadow
254
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Posted - 2015.06.22 14:40:48 -
[178] - Quote
Just wanted to chime in about the Thrasher WIP, In a vacuum the concept art does not look bad, but they don't look very Minmatar either. And most assuredly they do not evoke a Thrasher feel.
But odds are it will roll out as is...
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CCP Jorg
C C P C C P Alliance
20
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Posted - 2015.06.22 17:09:18 -
[179] - Quote
Hello again everyone and thanks a lot for your constructive feedback. This is just what we had hoped for when putting this Blog out and itGÇÖs appreciated.
There is a lot of good points for us to think about as we are still working on all of these designs - so letGÇÖs see what comes out of this! Fly safe
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Apoq Surrat
Amarritus Patriotus
2
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Posted - 2015.06.22 17:47:42 -
[180] - Quote
The window size is limited by texture resolution. There is no way to make accurate sized windows or portholes on any of the decent sized ships. Its just a limitation of the game we have to ignore.
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Dersen Lowery
Defy.
1655
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Posted - 2015.06.22 18:16:28 -
[181] - Quote
o7 CCP Huskarl. Thanks for 15 years of great work!
Welcome, CCP Jorg!
As for the designs:
1) Dominix: Perfect. Ship it. 2) Stilletto: Perfect. Ship it. 3) Probe: Meh, but it's covered with the appropriate number of probes. OK. 4) Sabre: Hmm. The current design is beloved and iconic. Of the redesigns, option D evokes the Cyclone, while A and I sort of vaguely suggest the slanted front plates of the Hurricane and the Hel. The other ones look suspiciously like the work of a Caldari spy.
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stoicfaux
5936
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Posted - 2015.06.22 19:56:07 -
[182] - Quote
I like the Dominix. It has that aggressive steampunk/future-retro-tech train engine look to it, but still retains the "old" look of the ship. Kudos.
However, the two antenna on the front? You need to go all the way.
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Solhild
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1968
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Posted - 2015.06.22 21:53:26 -
[183] - Quote
It seems that thrasher redesign variation B is the best candidate for the new thrasher. Any chance of a render?
I do like variation F for the Sabre, any chance of a render of that too (in those black textures)? |
Catalina Franklin
Blind Assault Silent Infinity
0
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Posted - 2015.06.23 07:02:30 -
[184] - Quote
I would just like to say I LOVE the new Dominix design. As someone who was basically pushed down the Gallente Ship line I always loathed some of the ship hulls that I knew I would one day have to pilot. The Dominix was most certainly one of them but over my time playing I have grown fond of it (especially with the recent retexturing). Once I read this blog I instantly got excited that I chose the path/skills that I did when I first started and began thinking of when I would get to use my cool new Dominix.
I also like most of the new redesigns shown later in the blog (noting the Probe and Stiletto). Of course Im seeing quite a bit of backlash regarding the Thrasher but honestly after seeing what has been produced so far I feel confident that between the developers ideas and possible fan made concepts, something truly great will come out of it (remember it's not final people, don't freak out).
Lastly I think its great that new life is being brought to this game. It seems there is always something exciting coming down the pipe.
Edit: If any mod does read this could you clarify if the Dominix remodel will extend to the Sin as well. Because even though I would like to assume that, I would rather get it first had so I'm not disappointed later. |
Bentakhar
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
40
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Posted - 2015.06.23 09:48:30 -
[185] - Quote
Solhild wrote:It seems that thrasher redesign variation B is the best candidate for the new thrasher. Any chance of a render?
I prefer variation F for the Sabre, any chance of a render of that too (in those black textures)?
My thoughts aswell ...
As for the 'thumbnail explorations for the thrasher' they're all really really awesome and perhaps you should consider some of those designs for other minmatar ship , like industrials which are starting to show their age.
Also the mining barges could really use a couple more polygons ;) An intricate high tech indurty look would make mining a bit more pleasant because all you do is stare at your ship :) (but NO giant rotating gears!!! this isn't steampunk :p ) |
Styphon the Black
Forced Euthanasia Soviet-Union
31
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Posted - 2015.06.23 16:32:39 -
[186] - Quote
Kind of counter productive to update the Domi's appearance when you have another DEV nerfing the usefulness of drones at the same time. |
Praxis Ginimic
Best Kept Frozen.
903
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Posted - 2015.06.23 18:24:29 -
[187] - Quote
Dont listen to all the "afraid of change" crowd. Those redesigns look great! I LOVE that stiletto |
Unezka Turigahl
Det Som Engang Var
796
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Posted - 2015.06.23 20:31:27 -
[188] - Quote
Alstevar Eastern wrote:Well, the new Thrasher Redesign WIP is good for a new destroyer but it's definitely not the Thrasher. You show us the possibility to add some parts on it but it can be better without some others. Like this : http://i.imgur.com/v2W4Ij4.jpg You turned it into a boring stick. Minmatar already has a couple of those - Loki and Talwar |
Alstevar Eastern
Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2015.06.23 23:39:38 -
[189] - Quote
Unezka Turigahl wrote:Alstevar Eastern wrote:Well, the new Thrasher Redesign WIP is good for a new destroyer but it's definitely not the Thrasher. You show us the possibility to add some parts on it but it can be better without some others. Like this : http://i.imgur.com/v2W4Ij4.jpg You turned it into a boring stick. Minmatar already has a couple of those - Loki and Talwar Sure it's too long like a stick now, it's just to show an other way to have a decent top and remove the "second floor effect".
The Redesign Variation Exploration have some interesting choice too but i think we lost it's current agressive effect on the top for a bunker effect.
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Cleanse Serce
Lonesome Capsuleer
63
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Posted - 2015.06.24 07:29:04 -
[190] - Quote
- Dominix = awsome, from my point of view, Gallente ships always had that "cetacean" shape. I'm glad to see a giant whale wether than a giant potatoe. :D
- Slasher hull = it looks more like caldari spirit design. Those 4 wings disappear, why ? This is caracteristic to the ship ! Let them be ! :)
- Probe = ok.
- Thrasher = from my point of view Thrasher always had that "helicopter" shape, tail + big head with gills (solar pannel) on the sides. As long as you stick to this spirit, i'm all ok. That extra floor cut that caracteristic shape of the Thrasher, no head would too. I love the B variance of the exploration designs. |
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Oliver Delorean
Black Aces Against ALL Authorities
6
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Posted - 2015.06.24 08:32:20 -
[191] - Quote
Dominix - Nice! Stilleto - Nice! Probe - Nice! Thrasher - I like the main hull but these wings or things*..... Cerberus - Nice! Gallente T3 - Nice! |
Ekaterina 'Ghetto' Thurn
Department 10
241
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Posted - 2015.06.24 16:41:41 -
[192] - Quote
The new Probe design looks too much like the current rookie Minmatar ship the Reaper. I would prefer you leave that one as it is rather than do that to it.
If the changes are not altered the Dominix is about to get another kicking to its weapon system. So maybe any design work on that ship has been wasted. It sounds like most people will be switching to missiles for long range combat given the proposed changes. Such a shame given that the Dominix wasn't the problem.
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Anika Ataru
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
4
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Posted - 2015.06.24 18:42:42 -
[193] - Quote
Why do you even working on the Thrasher, when there are horrific ships in need of radical redesign like Bantam and Bellicose? Thrasher is one of the best looking ships in EVE already, do some minor polish if you must, but please, nothing radical. Some of those designs are cool, get them ready, just for something else. |
Riktung Noban
Clearview Interactions
1
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Posted - 2015.06.25 15:24:35 -
[194] - Quote
Love the new Probe and Stiletto designs! For the Thrasher I would vote for the bottom left of the graphic showing the many variations as I think destroyers should have a clean but tough look to them. The Hekate is a bit bland IMHO. It is definitely very Gallente (wing-ish) but it doesn't have the zing a T3 destroyer should. Currently it looks like someone converted a Nemesis for transport/shuttle duties.
All that said the general improvements to the visuals in game have been fantastic over the past year! Keep it coming and thanks. |
Riktung Noban
Clearview Interactions
1
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Posted - 2015.06.25 15:39:09 -
[195] - Quote
Menero Orti wrote:Yeah the Imicus/Helios REALLY needs a new design
I used to completely agree with this sentiment. I could never figure out how anyone could come up with these particular designs but having flown the Helios as my primary scouting ship hull I am now intimately a fan. Change the Imicus for variety but the Helios comes under a category similar to the Thrasher as an iconic hull design...for me anyway. Give it a touch of the new technology without a major facelift plz. |
coik el tuerto
Deep Axion Honorable Third Party
3
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Posted - 2015.06.25 16:56:14 -
[196] - Quote
im gona be mad if the SABRE ends up looking like one of those nasty ugly pics! |
Solhild
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1968
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Posted - 2015.06.25 19:46:19 -
[197] - Quote
coik el tuerto wrote:im gona be mad if the SABRE ends up looking like one of those nasty ugly pics!
Seriously don't agree with ugly, this basic hull with that great detail (although missing the recognisable bow/head) - Variation F from here would be great, especially in core complexions textures!!!
(Regular thrasher is B) |
Wylde Kardde
Wrekker Mix
15
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Posted - 2015.06.25 21:40:44 -
[198] - Quote
http://cdn1.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/67315/1/05_THRASHER_CONCEPTS.jpg
OPTION D! over and over !!!!
The Origional Intention of Pirate BS's... pvp
Nightmare X-type Burn out
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyajGLoe0Kc
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Idoru Yoshikawa
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
7
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Posted - 2015.06.28 15:22:08 -
[199] - Quote
Loving the new Stiletto and Probe concepts. I think many Minmatar ships should get reviewed under the perspective of this new paradigm. ie: Rupture hull and it's T2 variants.
Not so sure about the Thrasher redesign, especially the solar panels, they need to be better integrated. although I would love to see more Ideas about a new hull design.
I just hope the get released very soon.
Any word about the Firetail? :D |
Moac Tor
Cy-Core Industries Stain Confederation
100
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Posted - 2015.06.28 21:33:54 -
[200] - Quote
Idoru Yoshikawa wrote:Any word about the Firetail? :D I would suggest the firetail is one of the best looking frigates in the game, so not sure it needs any improvement, at least there are plenty of other ships in much dire need of an update. *looks at the cyclone, bellicose, and rupture"
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Flaming Butterfly
Black Serpent Technologies Black Legion.
4
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Posted - 2015.06.30 01:26:14 -
[201] - Quote
we know what the thrasher did to you, but that is no reason to punish it with such a caldari pos look.
bellicose and rupture (and their worthlessness)
Minmatar ships are made of whatever, allowed to rust, then duct taped -so plastic is an appropriate look. |
guska Cryotank
SniggWaffe WAFFLES.
21
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Posted - 2015.06.30 12:17:59 -
[202] - Quote
Don't you even THINK about changing the Thrasher/Sabre after I recently had one tattooed onto my chest! |
Idoru Yoshikawa
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
7
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Posted - 2015.06.30 15:51:24 -
[203] - Quote
Moac Tor wrote:Idoru Yoshikawa wrote:Any word about the Firetail? :D I would suggest the firetail is one of the best looking frigates in the game, so not sure it needs any improvement, at least there are plenty of other ships in much dire need of an update. *looks at the cyclone, bellicose, and rupture"
Sorry to disagree. The mesh is pretty ok, the texture definitively is not. Always imho |
Grria Skullcrusher
MM Spolka z Zageszczona Nieodpowiedzialnoscia
0
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Posted - 2015.07.01 07:33:37 -
[204] - Quote
As a proud user of Dominix I therefor thank you for this beautiful change!
The days I am constantly called 'potato' or 'adidas' will soon be finally over! |
Alek Row
Silent Step
46
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Posted - 2015.07.01 09:32:32 -
[205] - Quote
Idoru Yoshikawa wrote:Moac Tor wrote:Idoru Yoshikawa wrote:Any word about the Firetail? :D I would suggest the firetail is one of the best looking frigates in the game, so not sure it needs any improvement, at least there are plenty of other ships in much dire need of an update. *looks at the cyclone, bellicose, and rupture" Sorry to disagree. The mesh is pretty ok, the texture definitively is not. Always imho
Belicose and Rupture I agree 100%, but what is wrong with the Cyclone? I like the Cyclone model.
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SiKong Ma
Raging Tapirs Illuminati Confirmed.
17
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Posted - 2015.07.02 06:45:36 -
[206] - Quote
Is it just me or does anyone notice that the front view of the new Dominix model looks like the face of a terrapin:
https://c4.staticflickr.com/8/7073/7383495732_c789fa9cb2_b.jpg
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Moac Tor
Cy-Core Industries Stain Confederation
102
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Posted - 2015.07.02 08:13:14 -
[207] - Quote
Alek Row wrote:Idoru Yoshikawa wrote:Moac Tor wrote:Idoru Yoshikawa wrote:Any word about the Firetail? :D I would suggest the firetail is one of the best looking frigates in the game, so not sure it needs any improvement, at least there are plenty of other ships in much dire need of an update. *looks at the cyclone, bellicose, and rupture" Sorry to disagree. The mesh is pretty ok, the texture definitively is not. Always imho Belicose and Rupture I agree 100%, but what is wrong with the Cyclone? I like the Cyclone model. It could do with a bit more pshhh.
It just looks like it could do with an update, a re-imagined version although still keeping to the same general shape, much like the great job they did with the flying trash can (typhoon).
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Yarda Black
Militaris Industries Northern Coalition.
741
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Posted - 2015.07.02 15:37:46 -
[208] - Quote
I've liked the first few posts that stated: all but the thrasher looks good.
Leave the Trasher alone or try again (imo) |
Kal'Han
The Scope Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2015.07.03 19:08:23 -
[209] - Quote
CCP Darwin wrote:Manina wrote:The only thing I can think of that gives you the scale of a given ship, is something that can be visibly compared to a human. And thats windows, bridges, maybe cockpits or even hatches on smaller ships. I'll point out that even on the smallest ships, features that look like "cockpits" are usually several stories high when judged against the ship's stated scale. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evD5xqIHLmI old video but gives you a idea of the scales in eve |
Vila eNorvic
60
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Posted - 2015.07.03 19:27:17 -
[210] - Quote
Kal'Han wrote:CCP Darwin wrote:Manina wrote:The only thing I can think of that gives you the scale of a given ship, is something that can be visibly compared to a human. And thats windows, bridges, maybe cockpits or even hatches on smaller ships. I'll point out that even on the smallest ships, features that look like "cockpits" are usually several stories high when judged against the ship's stated scale. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evD5xqIHLmI old video but gives you a idea of the scales in eve Also this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8Ke1P3m4nU |
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Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
1015
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Posted - 2015.07.04 12:09:31 -
[211] - Quote
Awesome Dominix redesign. Thumbs up.
Thrasher preview only gets a though.
Remove insurance.
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Mari Camos
Finnish Space Jaegers Tactical Narcotics Team
27
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Posted - 2015.07.21 12:18:47 -
[212] - Quote
Hm, I understand the remodelling of hideous Moa hulls etc, and the space spud looks better now, but the iconic Thrasher?
The new model looks like there's some kind of mechanic beast molesting another mechanic creature from behind.
Out of words
Let the lager decide what is wrong, what is right.
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Jeremiah Saken
The Fall of Leviathan
318
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Posted - 2015.07.23 06:16:29 -
[213] - Quote
New Domi JP made a vid showing new Domi line hulls. This is so much better than previous models.
"-What are you doing?"
"-Docking."(...)
-"It's not possible"
-"No, it's necessary."
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
32073
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Posted - 2015.07.24 18:40:34 -
[214] - Quote
http://imgur.com/a/ErdiY Gallery of Quafe Domi on Sisi
That matte black is what I was hoping to see on the Core Complexion hulls. They've instead been turned a dark brown color which is something else completely. Due to rust, I get it. I'm not attached to the line of ships, but I am curious if you will allow any ships to have a black-on-black color scheme in this matte finish. If not Core Complexion, then who?
Help, I can't download EVE
President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub
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Oliver Delorean
Ataraxy
19
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Posted - 2015.07.26 12:05:01 -
[215] - Quote
Thrasher looks totally ok and even new version is quite good but but...... before changing Thrasher you should consider Talwar cuz this is one of the most ugliest ship in New Eden.... just take a look at it! Please! New art director.... Look at Talwar! |
Cheggers TrouserCough
EVE University Ivy League
1
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Posted - 2015.08.02 23:01:46 -
[216] - Quote
That new Dominix hull looks meh - barely any different from the abberation that was the last one. This would have been better (from the guy who designed the Oracle no less). Let's hope this new art guy is a little more ambitious when it comes to the much needed Vexor hull overhaul... |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1533
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Posted - 2015.08.03 19:36:39 -
[217] - Quote
Cheggers TrouserCough wrote:That new Dominix hull looks meh - barely any different from the abberation that was the last one. This would have been better (from the guy who designed the Oracle no less). Let's hope this new art guy is a little more ambitious when it comes to the much needed Vexor hull overhaul... No, that really would not have been better, it's not a Domi, whereas the current redesign is. Most of the redesigns have intentional similarity to their prior versions, whereas that is a whole new ship, not significantly reminiscent of the Domi in any real way. |
Telistra
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
12
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Posted - 2015.08.25 21:50:35 -
[218] - Quote
CCP Devs,
I am normally hard to please, but I do love the new Dominix, its a welcome change and makes the ship feel more inline with what it can do from a visual standpoint. I also like the updates to a degree with the Probe and Stilleto, but I do have to agree with most here. Being a Minmatar pilot since my birth, few ships have held a timeless look like the Thrasher. When I talk to people who "do not play EVE" and they see the ships I fly they have no idea they are EVE ships. Accept when I show them the Thrasher they instantly say "EVE Online" just like when they see the Rifter.
Moving forward with a games evolution is fine, but I think with this ship you have a model that just works. If anything improve on the design but do not "re-design it" when it works so well. This is almost like the Rifter factor, its one of those ships that's so popular we should have a 4 Port USB Thrasher Model...
:) I know in most cases we are taken as just crying, bunt honestly this ship is good where its at :)
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Orm Magnustat
Red Serpent Industries
151
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Posted - 2015.08.31 13:24:26 -
[219] - Quote
In the end stuff like that boils down to personal taste - so let me just add my personal 0,02$ ....
I dont like the changes to the Domi, the old design had some very special feeling and character, the new one makes it into just another ship that tries to look mean and dangerous. So it ended up "wannabe-cool" and boring. :-(
Any chance to get the old one as a kind of special editon, faction variant please ?? |
Samuel Triptee
Frankenstuff
106
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Posted - 2015.09.01 20:00:22 -
[220] - Quote
Please, please, please,
Don't make every ship in the game a symmetrical design.
The off-center, lopsided, asymmetrical ships are my favorite and look a bit more organic.
After awhile the symmetrical designs tend to look alike.
Just an opinion...
Cheers!
Have You Hugged Your Frigate Today?
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Estella Osoka
Perkone Caldari State
738
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Posted - 2015.09.01 20:48:45 -
[221] - Quote
Thrasher is fine as is. It's an iconic ship. Leave it alone. |
Josef Djugashvilis
2984
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Posted - 2015.09.06 12:45:08 -
[222] - Quote
The New Model Dominix is now one of the best looking ships in the game.
As I spend most of my game-time in one, I am delighted witih it.
Well done CCP art folk.
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Boozbaz
Brutor Clan
20
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Posted - 2015.11.03 07:07:25 -
[223] - Quote
Estella Osoka wrote:Thrasher is fine as is. It's an iconic ship. Leave it alone.
I agree. The Thrasher looks fine as it is. If you're going to redesign a Minmatar ship, then redesign the Rupture or the Bellicose! |
Freedom7
Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering
0
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Posted - 2015.11.03 12:37:04 -
[224] - Quote
+1 for the new Domi ...... |
Tornii
Infinite Point DARKNESS.
76
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Posted - 2015.11.29 09:19:23 -
[225] - Quote
The Minmatar ships are clearly in most need for visual overhaul - all cruisers except the recently remodelled Stabber look out of place and more like furniture items than spaceships. So it's a good move by the art department to focus on some of them in this announced remodelling pass. However there are also ships by other factions that could use some love including the Atron-Ares-Taranis, Thorax-Deimos-Phobos and Osprey-Basilisk lines.
Socialism must eradicate capitalism before capitalism eradicates civilisation
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Vrarrg
Aegis of Odyssey
0
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Posted - 2015.12.01 19:02:44 -
[226] - Quote
Personally think that some of the Minmatar ships need some updated looks. The ones that are shown in that link are sexy and I love the look of that Thrasher. |
Brokk Witgenstein
Extreme Agony The Wraithguard.
167
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Posted - 2015.12.29 19:06:48 -
[227] - Quote
NOOOOOOOOO Mah Sabre!
The new 'probe' model could be nice for a Cheetah ... perhaps keep the old model around for the T1 Probe? If that looks like a repurposed derelict cargo runner, that's because it truly is.
But please for the love of Bob -- the Thrasher/Sabre model is perfect the way it is now. If you absolutely must have a defunct T1, keep the streamlined Sabre model the way it is and trash some bits and pieces off for the T1 combat version ..... although probably better yet: don't touch them at all.
What the Minmatar line of ships needs, however, is a serious DUST layer. I haven't cleaned any ship and so far, only my Confessor shows some dust. Why are my beloved rustbuckets not getting dirty? I honestly can't tell the difference between a clean and a dirty Minnie boat ;-) |
MurinA 7o9
Slumbered For Millennia
5
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Posted - 2016.01.10 03:28:08 -
[228] - Quote
keep your dirty fingers out of my thrasher talwar looks like a brick ,change that |
Ishmael Ronuken
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2016.03.15 18:31:13 -
[229] - Quote
Implement these designs ASAP please. They look even more junkyard-esque than before. |
Mina Sebiestar
Minmatar Inner Space Conglomerate
1067
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Posted - 2016.03.22 23:08:35 -
[230] - Quote
Ishmael Ronuken wrote:Implement these designs ASAP please. They look even more junkyard-esque than before.
Agreed this needs to happen sooner rather than later.
All of concept models are vastly superior over in game models.
Tempest was also iconic hull but was also 1D 3pixel rez garbage that needed to be scraped from game data library good riddance same goes for thrasher there are similar looking vip models that can be used but for love of God don't listen to blind people and go ahead with an update.
Typhoon Fleet Issue SOE skin for the win.
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Jade Blackwind
910
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Posted - 2016.03.28 13:51:31 -
[231] - Quote
It took two years for the new Dominix model to make it into the game. I still hope that we'll see the new Stilletto and the Probe before end of 2017, because they're awesome. |
Morgane Drake
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2016.03.30 17:39:56 -
[232] - Quote
good work !
but personnaly ( i dont know if another post speak for thats ...)
i have more interest to see republic fleeet/navy/imperial etc... ) destroyers ( same of slicers/firetail etc,,,)
i found the orginial thrasher skin, good and cool
and ok we have t3 Destroyer but we are less of militia Destroyers... thats i thing... |
Miravi Te'Lyn
In the Mountains
0
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Posted - 2016.05.19 22:03:12 -
[233] - Quote
I just found out about the Thrasher redesign (I'm slow), please for the love of god DO NOT use: http://content.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/67315/1/07_THRASHER.jpg this design.
These are fine, if you really NEED to redesign perfection. http://content.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/67315/1/75_THRASHER_VARIANTS.jpg
Also, please have the solar panels/fins go back like the current Thrasher, not forward like all these concepts. |
Leeonwung
Time and all Eternity DeepSpace.
17
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Posted - 2016.05.27 02:24:57 -
[234] - Quote
Loving the new Domi design.
Class act CCP, class act.
Your art work is getting better and better
"Know the enemy and know yourself; in a hundred battles you will never be in peril. When you are ignorant of the enemy, but know yourself, your chances of winning or losing are equal. If ignorant both of your enemy and yourself, you are certain in every battle to be in peril." - Sun Tzu
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Roamer Jakuard
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2016.06.11 17:28:01 -
[235] - Quote
While it's a long time after these designs were posted, and I'm a relatively new player I thought I would still comment.
As a new Minmatar player:
New Stiletto looks better than current.
Not a fan of the current Probe, nor a fan of the new. To my mind, the proposed new Thrasher looks more like a science and discovery vessel that the Probe is meant to be. While Minmatar should perhaps looked slapped together, the current and new proposed Probe just don't look 'sensory' enough.
The "Sabre" variations of the new Thrasher look much better for the actual Thrasher design. Why - because they look more armoured and warlike. Even if shield tanked, a vessel of this nature should look threatening, especially for Minmatar. When I first saw the current Thrasher, I noted the 'kind of' face on it and thought that was a bit silly. But having player the game for a while now, and having used a Thrasher, it actually seems appropriate. It's a newbro's low level killing ship, a ganker's cheap throw away vessel of doom. If anything, the 'face' on it should made more pronounced, not lessened, for the shear terrorising aspect of it. I could even imagine Thrasher pilots playing the music to "Jaws" over comm's, just for the bravado of it. It's your cheap piranha, let it remain so in look as well as in deed. Don't take the dragon off the prow of this Viking raiding vessel. |
Tornii
The Scope Gallente Federation
87
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Posted - 2016.07.11 18:35:51 -
[236] - Quote
Sssooo, any updates on the remodelling effort? I've been away since winter and haven't been able to find any further updates in dev blog. |
deeks87 deacon
Industrial Guard Conglomerate
19
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Posted - 2016.07.12 16:36:51 -
[237] - Quote
New hectate ship. Does that mean every eve players will get one free? Like when the gnosis launched.
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CCP Darwin
C C P C C P Alliance
2220
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Posted - 2016.07.12 16:54:26 -
[238] - Quote
Tornii wrote:Sssooo, any updates on the remodelling effort? I've been away since winter and haven't been able to find any further updates in dev blog. We continue working on redesigns between all the other projects we have going on. I don't have any specifics to share at this time, but if you keep an eye on updates.eveonline.com you'll likely see any news as soon as we share it.
CCP Darwin GÇó Senior Technical Artist, EVE Online GÇó @mark_wilkins
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Luscius Uta
Hek Squad
217
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Posted - 2016.07.14 08:53:22 -
[239] - Quote
Do you have in plan giving a new skin to the Obelisk, the ugliest freighter? Considering how much time freighter pilots spent looking at their ships, I think the least you can do is to ensure they have a pretty sight.
Workarounds are not bugfixes.
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Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale Black Marker
311
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Posted - 2016.07.22 22:09:01 -
[240] - Quote
Luscius Uta wrote:Do you have in plan giving a new skin to the Obelisk, the ugliest freighter? Considering how much time freighter pilots spent looking at their ships, I think the least you can do is to ensure they have a pretty sight. I can sell you a Providence or two...
When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
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