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Tsubutai
The Tuskers
114
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Posted - 2012.09.20 11:39:00 -
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The RLML caracal is going to be massively better than the HML variant under the new system. |
Deerin
Murientor Tribe Defiant Legacy
19
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Posted - 2012.09.20 12:02:00 -
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Tsubutai wrote:The RLML caracal is going to be massively better than the HML variant under the new system.
This. Around 15% lower paper dps. But all of it will be applied to a decent range. Also will kill frigs with ease
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Dr Sheng-Ji Yang
The Forsworn Protectorate Imperial Protectorate
6
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Posted - 2012.09.20 12:10:00 -
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Quote:Take a look at the stats you only need 1 RCU or ACR to fit a rack of HAM's + MWD + LSE and your paper DPS is forgetting falloff not to mention the Caracals greater range in general.
That aside pop over to the EWAR thread and take a gander at the Bellicose with 4 Launchers and a 40m3 Drone Bay with greater speed then the Caracal. You forget that ham dps is also only paper dps.
Quote:Stronger tank then the Stabber. Stabber already has the speed now and surprise no one is using it. People use the Rupture to kite instead.
I don't mind if they keep the weapons layout so much as give it a Rupture sized drone bay.
Kiting Ruptures? never saw something like this. And I see tons of rutures daily. The Rupture is actually THE ship for face to face and not kiting. And yes me and my corp have daily problems with really fast stabbers and SFIs. What CCP and the other people always forget is the Minmatar advantage: You are fast so if you don-Št want to get engaged you burn out. If you want to engage and have a good possibility to win you burn in and the foe is mostly SIGNIFICANT slower than you so you have a good chance to catch. Actually these nano fitted stabbers, SFIs and cynabals are faster than most attack frigates and kill them in seconds. We are somtimes sitting in fleet at gate with 12 ships. SFI in and burns out. 2 ceptors burn after him, try to catch and die in seconds. Minmatar speed is an awesome advantage.
And forget useless missiles when Minnie cruisers burn with 3500m/s and have arty alpha like hell. |
Takeshi Yamato
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
461
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Posted - 2012.09.20 12:11:00 -
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Some fits for the new Omen:
[Omen, New HPL] Damage Control II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II 400mm Reinforced Steel Plates II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Adaptive Nano Membrane
Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I Faint Warp Disruptor I Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Valkyrie II x4
EHP: 20k (estimated) DPS: 429 (Scorch), 511 (Navy MF) Speed: 1600 m/s (estimated)
[Omen, New FMP] Damage Control II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I Faint Warp Disruptor I Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Medium Ancillary Current Router I Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Valkyrie II x4
Needs a low end CPU implant. EHP: 36k (estimated) DPS: 385 (Scorch), 456 (Navy MF) Speed: 1400 m/s (estimated)
[Omen, New HPL 800mm plate] Damage Control II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II 800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Adaptive Nano Plating II
Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I Faint Warp Disruptor I Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Medium Ancillary Current Router I Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Valkyrie II x4
Needs a low end PG implant EHP: 24.7k (estimated) DPS: 429 (Scorch), 511 (Navy MF) Speed: 1584 m/s (estimated)
[Omen, New HPL LSE] Damage Control II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Beta Reactor Control: Diagnostic System I Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I Warp Disruptor II Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Valkyrie II x4
EHP: 18k (estimated) DPS: 469 (Scorch), 562 (Navy MF) Speed: 2039 m/s (estimated)
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MIrple
BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team
114
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Posted - 2012.09.20 14:11:00 -
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I am very excited to get to try all these great ships. Roaming around null in T1 gang killing everyone will be a blast. The only thing that will be a pain is that clones will cost more then the ships. :( |
Gitanmaxx
Viziam Amarr Empire
68
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Posted - 2012.09.20 15:54:00 -
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This is the most awesome change I've seen in eve ever. I'm beyond excited. It's like every major ship issue the majority of people complain about was heard and addressed by every balance update thus far.
Especially excited for making lasers actually possible to fit without going way under-sized. Also the Omen becoming a mean machine rather than a joke. I fly amarr so I'm really happy to see that all the amarr issues are being handled well.
The only single thing I would like to see that isn't there is a progression line for using missiles with Amarr. There are several crazy good T2 amarr missile ships but really no T1 to be stepping stones to them. Maybe just a few tweaks to the inquisitor and then a T1 cruiser with missile bonuses and a few launchers. perhaps even the maller since the omen is going to be a laser beast. |
Liang Nuren
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
2258
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Posted - 2012.09.20 16:09:00 -
[337] - Quote
OT Smithers wrote: Get serious :)
Almost no one is using the Caracal today, and for bloody good reason. Now they are talking a 20% damage nerf plus the addition of added damage reduction in the form of TD's.
You have a mediocre tank, DPS half that of an AF, no neut, two small drones, and it's not even particularly fast.... What exactly are you gonna kill with it?
Again, people aren't using it NOW. Why in God's name would they use it when every other cruiser and frigate in the game just got significantly better while this ship got nerfed?
Because the Caracal was massively boosted and not nerfed?
-Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/LiangNuren/videos Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Liang Nuren
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
2258
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Posted - 2012.09.20 16:15:00 -
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Gypsio III wrote:Try fewer LSEs and more TDs.
Man the Caracal is gonna ******* own: - Good DPS - Great projection - Superior damage application (TE/TC changes) - Solid tank - So Much Ewar! - Fast as **** - Doesn't give a **** about its own speed or transversal
I figure it's going to generally come in two flavors: - HAM Caracal - AML Caracal
You won't see HML Caracals unless you're trying to shoot **** from outside gate gun range or something. In which case you will use a Tornado.
-Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/LiangNuren/videos Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Liang Nuren
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
2259
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Posted - 2012.09.20 16:25:00 -
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Takeshi Yamato wrote:Some fits for the new Omen:
Damn, those fits are a little bit sad. I don't think I'd take any of them into combat over a Thorax or Caracal. Even the shield fit is only going to have range advantage for 2-3 seconds against a MWD Thorax and it'll just be straight outranged by the Stabber and Caracal.
I guess I'll continue the boost crusade.
-Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/LiangNuren/videos Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Goldensaver
Vorbild Industries Inc. State Section 9
11
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Posted - 2012.09.20 16:32:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:Gypsio III wrote:Try fewer LSEs and more TDs. Man the Caracal is gonna ******* own: - Good DPS - Great projection - Superior damage application (TE/TC changes) - Solid tank - So Much Ewar! - Fast as **** - Doesn't give a **** about its own speed or transversal I figure it's going to generally come in two flavors: - HAM Caracal - AML Caracal You won't see HML Caracals unless you're trying to shoot **** from outside gate gun range or something. In which case you will use a Tornado. -Liang
Yeah, I'm getting pretty excited about the Caracal. I can only theory craft so well without knowing all the stats for sure (about fury lights, that is) but so far I'm thinking it'll be one great ship. Excellent frigate killer and a decent kiting Fury Light boat.
I'm really psyched and I can't wait for the patch. |
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Dr Sheng-Ji Yang
The Forsworn Protectorate Imperial Protectorate
6
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Posted - 2012.09.20 16:34:00 -
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Quote: Damn, those fits are a little bit sad. I don't think I'd take any of them into combat over a Thorax or Caracal. Even the shield fit is only going to have range advantage for 2-3 seconds against a MWD Thorax and it'll just be straight outranged by the Stabber and Caracal.
I guess I'll continue the boost crusade.
-Liang
??? The omen will be probably the most universal ship of the attack cruisers.
5 Heavy Pulse Laser II Experimental 10MN Misrowarp Warp Disruptor II Stasis Webifier II 800mm reinforced Steel plates II reactor control unit II adative nano plating II damage control II heat sink II
medium ancillary current router medium trimark armor pump medium energy burst aerator Plus drones 5 x hammerhead II
It will be good at medum range with ca 30% more dps than caracal with ham and superb at close (around 50% more than ham caracal at 12km). Only tank is less than caracal at probably 20% or 25%. I mean a 2 reactor control2 and 2bcu tank ham caracal. Awesome changes. |
Goldensaver
Vorbild Industries Inc. State Section 9
11
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Posted - 2012.09.20 16:38:00 -
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Dr Sheng-Ji Yang wrote:Quote: Damn, those fits are a little bit sad. I don't think I'd take any of them into combat over a Thorax or Caracal. Even the shield fit is only going to have range advantage for 2-3 seconds against a MWD Thorax and it'll just be straight outranged by the Stabber and Caracal.
I guess I'll continue the boost crusade.
-Liang
??? The omen will be probably the most universal ship of the attack cruisers. 5 Heavy Pulse Laser II Experimental 10MN Misrowarp Warp Disruptor II Stasis Webifier II 800mm reinforced Steel plates II reactor control unit II adative nano plating II damage control II heat sink II medium ancillary current router medium trimark armor pump medium energy burst aerator Plus drones 5 x hammerhead II It will be good at medum range with dps like caracal with ham and superb at close. Awesome changes.
The issue is it will be slow and lack range control, and you'll be on a bulky ship with only a moderate tank. |
Dr Sheng-Ji Yang
The Forsworn Protectorate Imperial Protectorate
6
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Posted - 2012.09.20 16:40:00 -
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Quote:The issue is it will be slow and lack range control, and you'll be on a bulky ship with only a moderate tank.
Amarr ships should be the slowest and bulkiest. The stasis web is for range control. |
Goldensaver
Vorbild Industries Inc. State Section 9
11
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Posted - 2012.09.20 16:47:00 -
[344] - Quote
Dr Sheng-Ji Yang wrote:Quote:The issue is it will be slow and lack range control, and you'll be on a bulky ship with only a moderate tank. Amarr ships should be the slowest and bulkiest. The stasis web is for range control.
What will allow you to get in web range when everybody else is faster than you? |
Dr Sheng-Ji Yang
The Forsworn Protectorate Imperial Protectorate
6
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Posted - 2012.09.20 16:52:00 -
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Quote:What will allow you to get in web range when everybody else is faster than you? It is situational. For example that frigs dont get under your guns. Or engaging something fast at plex or gate. And at 28km you still have more firepower than a HAM caracal. Okay with less tank than the caracal but that only means they are somehow on par. AND it is like the amarr philosophy: Slow and bulky. Fine. |
Goldensaver
Vorbild Industries Inc. State Section 9
11
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Posted - 2012.09.20 16:58:00 -
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Dr Sheng-Ji Yang wrote:Quote:What will allow you to get in web range when everybody else is faster than you? It is situational. For example that frigs dont get under your guns. Or engaging something fast at plex or gate. And at 28km you still have more firepower than a HAM caracal. Okay with less tank than the caracal but that only means they are somehow on par. AND it is like the amarr philosophy: Slow and bulky. Fine.
Yeah, that's it. The Omen will be a lot more situational than the other attack cruisers. I'll gladly use it, but it won't be as viable in most situations as the other cruisers. At least, that's my take on it. |
Liang Nuren
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
2260
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Posted - 2012.09.20 17:01:00 -
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Dr Sheng-Ji Yang wrote:Quote: Damn, those fits are a little bit sad. I don't think I'd take any of them into combat over a Thorax or Caracal. Even the shield fit is only going to have range advantage for 2-3 seconds against a MWD Thorax and it'll just be straight outranged by the Stabber and Caracal.
I guess I'll continue the boost crusade.
-Liang
??? The omen will be probably the most universal ship of the attack cruisers. 5 Heavy Pulse Laser II Experimental 10MN Misrowarp Warp Disruptor II Stasis Webifier II 800mm reinforced Steel plates II reactor control unit II adative nano plating II damage control II heat sink II medium ancillary current router medium trimark armor pump medium energy burst aerator Plus drones 5 x hammerhead II It will be good at medum range with dps like caracal with ham and superb at close. Awesome changes.
You're... joking right? That Omen only goes ~1200-1400m/s and has no way to really control range. Furthermore it's not like it's good at close range or fast enough to avoid being at close range with anything that wants to close with it. It has no cap booster or nos.
Amarr ships have two paths to being useful: - Completely outshine everyone else in a naturally slow ship class (battleships, capitals) - Be fast enough to actually make use of superior damage projection and kiting mechanics. (On a medium hull, this means you need to be fast and have an optimal bonus)
-Liang
Ed: You say that the amarr philosophy is to be slow and bulky, but I contend that's not really true. Consider the Executioner, Crusader, Slicer, NOmen, Zealot, and Curse. Almost every good ship is relatively fast and meant to attack from range. The Omen is both slow and doesn't have enough breathing room to make its superior projection matter. Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/LiangNuren/videos Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Dr Sheng-Ji Yang
The Forsworn Protectorate Imperial Protectorate
6
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Posted - 2012.09.20 17:04:00 -
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Quote:Yeah, that's it. The Omen will be a lot more situational than the other attack cruisers. I'll gladly use it, but it won't be as viable in most situations as the other cruisers. At least, that's my take on it.
Sorry but I disagree. It is really fine. It will eat a caracal at close range (okay lets not take ewar into all) and be on par at medium range. But it will be slower. It seems really good and balanced with these changes. I am not able to say sth to stabber and thorax but I suppose and foresee it: stabber will be THE T2 frig eater. I mean: Imagine a slow T2 like Vengeance and Retribution. Stabber will be MUCH faster, will have more dps and more tank. Frigate kiler number one. Wow. In FW minnies use such ships often against frigs. Dont know how many times I wondered that this SFI or stabber or cynabal was faster than my slicer or executioner and I was done before I could warp out. |
Liang Nuren
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
2260
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Posted - 2012.09.20 17:06:00 -
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Dr Sheng-Ji Yang wrote:Quote:Yeah, that's it. The Omen will be a lot more situational than the other attack cruisers. I'll gladly use it, but it won't be as viable in most situations as the other cruisers. At least, that's my take on it. Sorry but I disagree. It is really fine. It will eat a caracal at close range (okay lets not take ewar into all) and be on par at medium range. But it will be slower. It seems really good and balanced with these changes. I am not able to say sth to stabber and thorax but I suppose and foresee it: stabber will be THE T2 frig eater. I mean: Imagine a slow T2 like Vengeance and Retribution. Stabber will be MUCH faster, will have more dps and more tank. Frigate kiler number one. Wow. In FW minnies use such ships often against frigs. Dont know how many times I wondered that this SFI or stabber or cynabal was faster than my slicer or executioner and I was done before I could warp out.
I like how you assume you can close range with the Caracal and how the Caracal doesn't have any ewar. Furthermore, the Caracal dramatically outranges the Omen and doesn't have capacitor problems like it does. The Caracal is an infinitely better kiting ship than the Omen.
-Liang
Ed: I'm more than happy to put my money where my mouth is too. You buy 100 omens and I'll buy 100 of each of the other cruisers. We'll go 1v1 until the first of is out of ships. :)
Like I said, the Omen is super disappointing to me. It is a totally useless cruiser that doesn't stand a chance against any of the so far rebalanced cruisers and most of today's inferior cruisers. Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/LiangNuren/videos Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Takeshi Yamato
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
463
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Posted - 2012.09.20 17:10:00 -
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Dr Sheng-Ji Yang wrote:AND it is like the amarr philosophy: Slow and bulky.Fine.
That philosophy only works with battleships and capitals. Every smaller ship that's slow and bulky tends to just suck. |
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Dr Sheng-Ji Yang
The Forsworn Protectorate Imperial Protectorate
6
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Posted - 2012.09.20 17:10:00 -
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Quote:ou're... joking right? That Omen only goes ~1200-1400m/s and has no way to really control range. Furthermore it's not like it's good at close range or fast enough to avoid being at close range with anything that wants to close with it. It has no cap booster or nos.
Amarr ships have two paths to being useful: - Completely outshine everyone else in a naturally slow ship class (battleships, capitals) - Be fast enough to actually make use of superior damage projection and kiting mechanics. (On a medium hull, this means you need to be fast and have an optimal bonus)
-Liang
Range control? If you want range control you need to fly minmatar ships only. It is not all about range control. Outranging? Hey it will do dmg up to 28km with heavy pulse and scorch so simply warp out if you are outranged. Ever tried to grab a HM caracal at 70km engaging range in a plex? No? So dont do it. But you engage if it warps at zero to you and it is done. Eve is situational. And there i am happy about he omen because it is versatile. |
Dr Sheng-Ji Yang
The Forsworn Protectorate Imperial Protectorate
6
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Posted - 2012.09.20 17:41:00 -
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[quote=Dr Sheng-Ji Yang]Quote:ou're... joking right? That Omen only goes ~1200-1400m/s and has no way to really control range. Furthermore it's not like it's good at close range or fast enough to avoid being at close range with anything that wants to close with it. It has no cap booster or nos.
Amarr ships have two paths to being useful: - Completely outshine everyone else in a naturally slow ship class (battleships, capitals) - Be fast enough to actually make use of superior damage projection and kiting mechanics. (On a medium hull, this means you need to be fast and have an optimal bonus)
-Liang
Range control? If you want range control you need to fly minmatar ships only. It is not all about range control. Outranging? Hey it will do dmg up to 28km with heavy pulse and scorch so simply warp out if you are outranged. Ever tried to grab a HM caracal at 70km engaging range in a plex? No? So dont do it. But you engage if it warps at zero to you and it is done. Eve is situational. And there i am happy about the omen because it is versatile.
Quote: Like I said, the Omen is super disappointing to me. It is a totally useless cruiser that doesn't stand a chance against any of the so far rebalanced cruisers and most of today's inferior cruisers.
You see that the NEW omen is almost and very close to a navy omen. Do you? And now ask the people how good a navy omen is. It is not a sfi but it is GOOD.
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Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
289
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Posted - 2012.09.20 17:56:00 -
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Take it you are not very experienced with using Heavy Pulse Dr. Sheng? Have great range and damage against large'ish or static targets, once it begins to move though you NEED to be able to move with it or the horrible tracking (for a shortrange hammer) will bite your balls off. Zealot works somewhat due to almost having the necessary mobility and superb range, Nomen works partly due to almost having the necessary mobility but also due to normally using FocPulse rather than Heavies so tracking is better.
Now combine that with the fact that everyone you meet will be sporting at least one TD and being slow but with awesome projection/dps suddenly got you dead. These are 'attack cruisers', to be used for skirmishing .. the face-to-face crap is the domain of the coming Assault Cruisers (assuming that will be the name) Maller (gonna be awesome!), Rupture, Moa and Vexor.
Big chunk of the issue is the age old armour system where you take an insane mobility hit by buffering and with active armour being novelty at best you have Amarr sitting pretty waiting to die to all the mid-slot endowed. The value of mids compared to lows has skyrocketed in recent years (post nano nerf) ..
- Take that +1 low and make it a mid. - Decrease mass and/or increase speed. - Lose the horrid laser cap bonus already; swap for range, tracking, nos/neut .. anything other than the geriatric cap use really. - Introduce the third medium pulse .. break out the gatlings dammit!
But as the kids say nowadays "whatever *pfft*" .. between the Abadonification of the Maller and the boosted Arbitrator with new TDs Amarr does not actually need any other cruiser |
Liang Nuren
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
2260
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Posted - 2012.09.20 18:37:00 -
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Dr Sheng-Ji Yang wrote:Quote:ou're... joking right? That Omen only goes ~1200-1400m/s and has no way to really control range. Furthermore it's not like it's good at close range or fast enough to avoid being at close range with anything that wants to close with it. It has no cap booster or nos.
Amarr ships have two paths to being useful: - Completely outshine everyone else in a naturally slow ship class (battleships, capitals) - Be fast enough to actually make use of superior damage projection and kiting mechanics. (On a medium hull, this means you need to be fast and have an optimal bonus)
-Liang Range control? If you want range control you need to fly minmatar ships only. It is not all about range control. Outranging? Hey it will do dmg up to 28km with heavy pulse and scorch so simply warp out if you are outranged. Ever tried to grab a HM caracal at 70km engaging range in a plex? No? So dont do it. But you engage if it warps at zero to you and it is done. Eve is situational. And there i am happy about the omen because it is versatile.
I like how you assume that Minmatar is the only race that is allowed to do range control. This totally neglects the fact that many of the popular Amarr ships (and there are many) are plenty capable of doing range control. The Omen is hopelessly outclassed by all other Attack Cruisers because it is pigeonholed into using armor.
Furthermore, the Omen is slow as molasses - a problem further exacerbated by being forced into using armor. It will only take 2-3 seconds for a Thorax to cross its small damage projection advantage and be permanently ******. This as is being suggested to be fit will lose against all upcoming cruisers and most cruisers today.
It is a piece of garbage.
-Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/LiangNuren/videos Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Luwc
Easy Co. Fatal Ascension
4
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Posted - 2012.09.20 18:54:00 -
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if you rebalance **** you should also NERF TIER3 BCS ... just sayin |
ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
47
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Posted - 2012.09.20 22:06:00 -
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For T1 ships the basic minmatar up and downs are as follows:
fastest ship in class
least dps of other turrets
Artty's have most alpha and ACs have most falloff
weakest tank of any ship in it's class.
damage bonus only applies to part of weapon systems due to split high slots.
The way this plays out is as a minmatar pilot you either are able to manage range and win or can't manage range and loose. There should be no close fights here. A 1 v 1 with a Minmatar ship and any other race should not even be a fight it's sexual assault and the only thing to be determined is who's on top. As the matar pilot if you get webbed you in theory should wind up raped and minus a ship and if you stay out of web range you have a kill mail.
That's the theory anyway. So if things work out that way people should not get pissed but if for some reason the Matar ships win in a one on one situation regardless of what happens then there needs to be balance measures taken.
It seems to me that many people are getting pissed that the matar ships do exactly what they are supposed to do. Did you guys change the ship description to get rid of "lots of guns approach"? |
Julius Foederatus
Hyper-Nova
128
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Posted - 2012.09.20 22:09:00 -
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So again I ask, are you guys going to change the penalties for armor rigs/plates to try and balance out the game? Or are we just going to have the same dynamic we have now with slightly different hulls? |
Bouh Revetoile
Barricade.
64
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Posted - 2012.09.20 22:43:00 -
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Julius Foederatus wrote:So again I ask, are you guys going to change the penalties for armor rigs/plates to try and balance out the game? Or are we just going to have the same dynamic we have now with slightly different hulls? Last time they tried to do it, they get such a shitload of tears and rage that they just retreat in fear.
Hopefully, more people are supporting the HML nerf, but that is for another thread. |
Onslaughtor
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
11
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Posted - 2012.09.20 22:46:00 -
[359] - Quote
Julius Foederatus wrote:So again I ask, are you guys going to change the penalties for armor rigs/plates to try and balance out the game? Or are we just going to have the same dynamic we have now with slightly different hulls?
It was stated somewhere that they were getting change this winter. I'm sure we will see it in a tread soon. |
Garr Earthbender
Justified Chaos
55
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Posted - 2012.09.20 22:47:00 -
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Well, I've been thinking about the Omen in the way that I fly the Executioner nowadays. I wonder if it's possible with the new reduction in Beam PG I'll be able to fly a full rack of Heavy Beam II's and nano around at long range? Heavy beams reach out to 54 KM unbonused.
I see attack cruiser skirmishing (or at least trying to), the the ewar ones doing their thing and the combat cruisers brawling. So what if these don't have the greatest tanks? They're not supposed to. T1 Logi can reach most engagement ranges well.
I think we need to not look at ships in a 1v1 situation and see them working together. -Rock is overpowered, Scissors is fine. |
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