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mazzilliu
Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.08.24 17:19:00 -
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crap like this happening is why i petition every time i receive a suspicious gift of isk or anything like that. you can receive dirty money and not get banned, so long as you turn yourself in before the GM finds about it himself. its saved me from a certain ban already.
the system really needs to be reworked because it encourages smart players to petition every thing and swamp the GMs with work.
that said, if you have large amounts of isk going through your account coming from other people, PETITION A GM FOR APPROVAL!!! then they have to investigate and give you a yes or no and you will then know with 100% certainty what will happen with your money. if you take the initiative, the worst that happens is the transactions are reversed. if you don't, the worst that happens is you get permanently banned.
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MynChu NicAtoch
Eternity INC. Project Alice.
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Posted - 2008.08.24 17:44:00 -
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Originally by: Ketch Kan no i will not name the alliance and I don't think you want me to " people who live in glass houses shouldn't through stones "
Actually, Katch, we do want you to, as there is a vague suspicion that you are bullshitting us. There isn't a single person in this thread who doesn't want to know.
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Shigsy
The Golden Goat
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Posted - 2008.08.24 18:28:00 -
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Originally by: Old Winter
Originally by: GM Guard
The best way to avoid problems of this nature is to refrain from engaging in any sort of business with ISK sellers.
Best Regards, Lead GM Guard EVE Online Customer Support
Is there a published list somewhere we can check so as to avoid dealing with isk sellers. I am sure the playerbase would appreciate it.
Hahaha yea, I just realised how stupid that quote was.
So should we just stop all business in case someone sells isk? Damn thats really stupid.
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cheese monkey
KIA Corp KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.25 14:05:00 -
[214]
Edited by: cheese monkey on 25/08/2008 14:06:14
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Smokie McLottapot
Caldari Keepers Of The Gate
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Posted - 2008.08.25 15:00:00 -
[215]
Nice Job CCP. Now go ban the 1000's of macro haulers in INGUNN.
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Cygnus Zhada
Amarr Reckless Corsairs
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Posted - 2008.08.27 00:34:00 -
[216]
Come on, it's not like hidden info that BOB (and MC back when they were friends) were harbouring farmers.
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NinjaStyle
Caldari Astrodynamic Innovations
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Posted - 2008.08.28 14:10:00 -
[217]
CCP has taken this too far. it's Fanatical the way they've Punished somebody who used Aproved in game functions.
I do agree they should allmost Kill isk farmers on sight but being objective about it is one thing being Fanatical about it will harm more than do good along the way.
Fanatical ... That's what Terrorists are.. The Ends does NOT justify the Means!
This only becomes a Fanatical decision becaus all the Control is CCP's it's not like we Players have any Real means of defending out selves against being involved with Isk farmers.. the Isk farmers themselves could just start sending random people Isk and acording too what happend here CCP would have too ban their chars.
I know that's going way too far but issen't that whats happening allready? Taking things too far along the "Rightous" line of events.. I simply hope I've been Fanatical enught about my post for it too reflects the action I see have been made. |
NinjaStyle
Caldari Astrodynamic Innovations
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Posted - 2008.08.28 14:20:00 -
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Originally by: GM Guard
The best way to avoid problems of this nature is to refrain from engaging in any sort of business with ISK sellers.
How are we surposed too Identify Isk sellers? If somebody gets into a Situation like this again how Is he / she surposed too know that the money they aquire from Allowing entry into their Space is Isk farmers or just regular players?
sure it's easy enught too identify a "I sell you Isk for Cash" but if thoese farmers use 0.0 rented space how is that part of the money gathering not just a "regular" in game function? Sure they attempt too sell the rest of the Isk they make off too players who don't know any better but That dossen't realy make the Regular game function users guilty. |
mr darkhelmet
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Posted - 2008.08.28 14:23:00 -
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Originally by: NinjaStyle
Originally by: GM Guard
The best way to avoid problems of this nature is to refrain from engaging in any sort of business with ISK sellers.
How are we surposed too Identify Isk sellers? If somebody gets into a Situation like this again how Is he / she surposed too know that the money they aquire from Allowing entry into their Space is Isk farmers or just regular players?
sure it's easy enught too identify a "I sell you Isk for Cash" but if thoese farmers use 0.0 rented space how is that part of the money gathering not just a "regular" in game function? Sure they attempt too sell the rest of the Isk they make off too players who don't know any better but That dossen't realy make the Regular game function users guilty.
Well the guy himself claim he know they are Isk sellers so i fail to see your point.
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Lord WarATron
Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.08.28 16:15:00 -
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Originally by: NinjaStyle
Originally by: GM Guard
The best way to avoid problems of this nature is to refrain from engaging in any sort of business with ISK sellers.
How are we surposed too Identify Isk sellers? If somebody gets into a Situation like this again how Is he / she surposed too know that the money they aquire from Allowing entry into their Space is Isk farmers or just regular players?
sure it's easy enught too identify a "I sell you Isk for Cash" but if thoese farmers use 0.0 rented space how is that part of the money gathering not just a "regular" in game function? Sure they attempt too sell the rest of the Isk they make off too players who don't know any better but That dossen't realy make the Regular game function users guilty.
Probebly because the guy admited he knew they were isk sellers and also perhaps because he refuses to name and shame who was harbouring the isk sellers/account hackers. --
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Ander
Gallente Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.08.28 16:25:00 -
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This way of investigation of players could take a nasty turn.
Consider this. What happens if someone out for revenge pays isk sellers to transfer money to someone.
Player A gets ****ed at player B. Player A pays ISKseller C to send isk to player B then petitions player B for suspicion of buying ISK.
GM investigates and find the isk from a known iskseller and gives player B a warning.
Rince and repeat. Player A can through alts or alt accounts keep petitioning after asking isk sellers to send isk to player B.
EVE PIRATE
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Avon
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.08.28 17:02:00 -
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Originally by: Cygnus Zhada Come on, it's not like hidden info that BOB (and MC back when they were friends) were harbouring farmers.
Come on, it's not like hidden info that Reckless Corsairs are isk farmers.
See how that works?
Eve-Online: The Text Adventure |
Kyguard
Game-Over
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Posted - 2008.08.28 17:24:00 -
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Originally by: Ander This way of investigation of players could take a nasty turn.
Consider this. What happens if someone out for revenge pays isk sellers to transfer money to someone.
Player A gets ****ed at player B. Player A pays ISKseller C to send isk to player B then petitions player B for suspicion of buying ISK.
GM investigates and find the isk from a known iskseller and gives player B a warning.
Rince and repeat. Player A can through alts or alt accounts keep petitioning after asking isk sellers to send isk to player B.
It's already happening -
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Gojyu
Ever Flow HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2008.08.28 22:36:00 -
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Edited by: Gojyu on 28/08/2008 22:37:27
Originally by: Ander This way of investigation of players could take a nasty turn.
Consider this. What happens if someone out for revenge pays isk sellers to transfer money to someone.
Player A gets ****ed at player B. Player A pays ISKseller C to send isk to player B then petitions player B for suspicion of buying ISK.
GM investigates and find the isk from a known iskseller and gives player B a warning.
Rince and repeat. Player A can through alts or alt accounts keep petitioning after asking isk sellers to send isk to player B.
One problem with it is that you need to purchase an insane amount of isk before ccp will ban you. Secondly, there's 2 easy ways out of this:
1- Player notices isk before gm takes it. Player opens petition, isk is removed, no harm no foul. 2- Player does not notice isk, gm takes it and gives a warning. Player does not notice second time, gm takes and gives a warning. Player realises something is up and petitions gm, stating someone (he doesn't know who) is sending him suspicious isk donations, the player will petition them as they come through, but asks the gm to keep an eye on the account just to be safe. GM thanks player for his honesty, and continues to remove any isk sent without prejudice.
The best part of both these solutions is that the purchasing party doesn't actually know that this is happening, so they keep burning real cash to have no effect. As long as you're an honest player with no track record, you're not going to be caught out by this scheme
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Mynas Atoch
Eternity INC. Project Alice.
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Posted - 2008.08.28 23:01:00 -
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Originally by: Lord WarATron Probebly because the guy admited he knew they were isk sellers and also perhaps because he refuses to name and shame who was harbouring the isk sellers/account hackers.
Which reminds me .. did Molle and dbp go through with the deal to rent out plexes to isk farmers/sellers that was revealed last year? I forget how that story ended and whether any Titans were removed or alliance leaders were banned?
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Avon
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.08.28 23:14:00 -
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Originally by: Mynas Atoch
Originally by: Lord WarATron Probebly because the guy admited he knew they were isk sellers and also perhaps because he refuses to name and shame who was harbouring the isk sellers/account hackers.
Which reminds me .. did Molle and dbp go through with the deal to rent out plexes to isk farmers/sellers that was revealed last year? I forget how that story ended and whether any Titans were removed or alliance leaders were banned?
Yes, it is all true. It all happened. Molle and dbp got banned. All our titans got recycled in to shuttles.
Meanwhile, 'sup Mynas?
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Fanduril
Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.08.29 00:06:00 -
[227]
Talk about coranor admitting that 2/3 of T2 BPOs were owned by Hegemon, and Hegemon was involved in Ebaying stuff, and they never petitioned him because they feared of losing those T2 BPOs.
Clearly, Band of Brothers stands again as a shiny example of fair play and dedication to rules.
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Anna Valerios
Amarr Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2008.08.29 00:11:00 -
[228]
Originally by: Fanduril Talk about coranor admitting that 2/3 of T2 BPOs were owned by Hegemon, and Hegemon was involved in Ebaying stuff, and they never petitioned him because they feared of losing those T2 BPOs.
Clearly, Band of Brothers stands again as a shiny example of fair play and dedication to rules.
Hegemon never ebayed the stuff in the end. So whats your point?
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Fanduril
Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.08.29 00:12:00 -
[229]
Do I need to dig up the quotes where Coranor said "we never did anything about it because there was the risk of losing those BPOs"?
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Mynas Atoch
Eternity INC. Project Alice.
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Posted - 2008.08.29 10:35:00 -
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Edited by: Mynas Atoch on 29/08/2008 10:46:21 Edited by: Mynas Atoch on 29/08/2008 10:43:05
Originally by: Fanduril Do I need to dig up the quotes where Coranor said "we never did anything about it because there was the risk of losing those BPOs"?
Or we can dig out the quotes where BOB's leaders said that taking billions from isk sellers is ok, as its not their job to stop ebayers, and Molle cackles in mirth at the propect of extorting them. Does Molle still play EVE? Or is it only small fry like Daisho who get made an example of?
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Plim
Gallente Oursulaert Technology Institute
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Posted - 2008.08.29 11:50:00 -
[231]
Confusing thing happen. Forum go mad. Fin.
Rudolf: "I was sworn to absolute secrecy by Santa Claus." |
EzSnake
Caldari Brass Monkeys Society
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Posted - 2008.08.29 12:09:00 -
[232]
Originally by: Mynas Atoch Edited by: Mynas Atoch on 29/08/2008 10:46:21 Edited by: Mynas Atoch on 29/08/2008 10:43:05
Originally by: Fanduril Do I need to dig up the quotes where Coranor said "we never did anything about it because there was the risk of losing those BPOs"?
Or we can dig out the quotes where BOB's leaders said that taking billions from isk sellers is ok, as its not their job to stop ebayers, and Molle cackles in mirth at the propect of extorting them. Does Molle still play EVE? Or is it only small fry like Daisho who get made an example of?
*IF* you guys had any proof then you'd be petitioning it and not just crying on public forum. Not that I like all things BoB has done in past, but this trying to discredit them via forums just make you look like an asshat. BoB ppl have said a bunch of things on these forums that are straight lies, just to be smart-arses. E.G- The confrimation, the other day, of Orange's titan being popped and him podded (which never happened).
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Mynas Atoch
Eternity INC. Project Alice.
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Posted - 2008.08.29 12:41:00 -
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Originally by: EzSnake *IF* you guys had any proof then you'd be petitioning it and not just crying on public forum.
Only CCP has the proof - and the quotes are from BOB internal communications. Its amusing to reminisce and note the vagaries of policy enforcement.
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Tia Tzu
Caldari G.E.A.R.
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Posted - 2008.08.29 12:54:00 -
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No matter how people try to spin it this whole thing stinks. In fact the more you try and explain it the worse it sounds.
GJ CCP I for one think you've done the right thing in this case. These kind or arrangements between ISK sellers and major alliances are killing EvE. Tbh I won't be shedding any tears for the "victims" in this thread.
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Dianabolic
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.08.29 13:19:00 -
[235]
Damn, my anus was itching and I came to the forums to find out why. Reikoku Diplomatic Forums
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EzSnake
Caldari Brass Monkeys Society
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Posted - 2008.08.29 13:23:00 -
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Edited by: EzSnake on 29/08/2008 13:23:58
Originally by: Dianabolic Damn, my anus was itching and I came to the forums to find out why.
Your in the wrong place then man!!!!
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Moon Kitten
GoonFleet
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Posted - 2008.08.29 13:33:00 -
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Originally by: Avon
Originally by: Cygnus Zhada Come on, it's not like hidden info that BOB (and MC back when they were friends) were harbouring farmers.
Come on, it's not like hidden info that Reckless Corsairs are isk farmers.
See how that works?
Come on, it's not like hidden info that Hegemon Rast is going to ebay his titan to isk farmers so it's ok if we steal it from him.
See how that works?
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TroNaaR
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.29 13:54:00 -
[238]
ITT:
I'm Tellin on jooooo!!!!
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Avon
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.08.29 18:35:00 -
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Originally by: Moon Kitten
Come on, it's not like hidden info that Hegemon Rast is going to ebay his titan to isk farmers so it's ok if we steal it from him.
See how that works?
Yeah, it works great. As he never actually ebayed it, no rules were broken - just a straight corp theft.
Maybe we should get some thought police? Start banning people before they break any rules, just in case they do?
Actually if we use it to police you guys it wouldn't take much effort. You know, with so few thoughts to investigate an' all.
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Fanduril
Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.08.29 18:40:00 -
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Avon, you're spinning so fast that you might actually take off. -fdrl Goonswarm old timer. AKA "the dude" |
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