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T' Elk
The Drunken Empire Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2012.04.23 04:04:00 -
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Darthewok wrote:Actually people do not realize enough the real trend making PVP more boring:
PVP is getting MUCH more expensive! Leading to much less PVP and more cautious boring PVP. The standard ships in PVP are moving from T1 to T2 to Faction/Pirate to T3 ships, to Officer mods, and expensive implants.
Just think about it: Stabber 3 mil Vagabond 100mil+ 30000% jump in price! Cynabal 200mil+ Loki 600mil+
Constant rate of increase is bad enough, but this is exponential runaway inflation in costs. We are talking 20000%, 60000% price jumps here! Whereas previously, you can earn the cost of your ship loss in a few hours, now it takes days, weeks or months to replace your ship. And you even lose skills if it is a T3!
Giving the much higher ISK costs of losing, of course blobs are getting more blobby. 2v1 becomes 10v1 becomes 100v1 becomes hot-dropping in capitals to kill frigates. Of course people undock less and avoid fights and FCs are reluctant to risk their hugely expensive fleets in anything but absolutely guaranteed victories. 1. Most slightly competent corps and alliances have ship replacement plans, so you should lose little to no actual isk. You're probably just worried about how your kb looks. If it's taking you days to replace the loss of a pvp ship, maybe you should downgrade to ships you can afford to lose on a daily basis.
2. Yeah, you can lose skills in a t3. You'll usually only lose some subsystem skill sp, but an easy way to not have to worry is to just eject right before you pop.
3. Sure your fc should be cautious about welping you into a fleet that vastly outnumbers yours, but you need to be willing to take a risk. You're going to lose fleets, you're going to decimate. It's part of fcing.
~Badposter since FOOOOREEEEEVAAAAAR~ // Inferno is coming // The Beard is Back, Ladies and Gents! |
XIRUSPHERE
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.04.23 04:25:00 -
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Because you have an entitlement problem. You want all the thrills with none of the effort, you also make bold assumptions but seem to just be lazy.
Plenty of PVP is out there to be had, plenty of entertaining PVP. It's not anyone's job but your own to do some research and find a few systems that look like they might pan out, open up that star map and look for activity, plan a roam out into unfamiliar territory and take some chances.
Blobs don't always happen but everyone is so frightened by the concept or chance of it they defeat themselves before they even undock, even if there is a blob who says you can't make it work for you.
Part of the thrill is the hunt, the unexpected, often the best of PVP is when you throw yourself head first into a situation you have relegated to failure but emerge the victor through a roll of the dice or a margin as narrow as a hair.
If you can't stand the hunt then go to a target rich environment and out think your prey, out position, out fly. Trick them, trap them, deceive them do whatever it takes.
None of this matters when you won't even try, why even have an opinion when your own opinion has already defeated yourself. The advantage of a bad memory is that one can enjoy the same good things for the first time several times.
One will rarely err if extreme actions be ascribed to vanity, ordinary actions to habit, and mean actions to fear. |
Peter Raptor
Plutonian Army
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Posted - 2012.04.23 07:14:00 -
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2bhammered wrote:Why is PVP boring Thoughts please... PS: This is not a troll
Youre the one who wrote the exact same thread a couple of months ago right? Just wondering, r u a bot
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Degren
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.23 07:26:00 -
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Kengutsi Akira wrote:Akirei Scytale wrote:2bhammered wrote:Lyron-Baktos wrote:we did about a 60 jump roam over the weekend and never found a fight. After about 30 jumps in, it did become boring and tedious. Luckily, this instance rarely happens Name another game or even activity where you spend an entire weekend, paying for it, and you get nothing in return? I can't think of anything, only in EVE can I end up spending hours after hours bored. Literally any MMO. Why are you here then? Its a question I always want to ask ppl that talk about how much MMOs suck ON MMO forums
He didn't say MMOs suck. He said you can get nothing out of a weekend on an MMO and still pay for it.
Which is true.
How many people sit in station for an entire day, forgetting/refusing to even undock, check their orders or queue a job? Quite a few.
Quite a few people also just stay in the auction house/bank of their favorite WoW, EQ, EQ2, UO, SWTOR (see where I'm going) city and forget to actually play the game.
Or they just might not log in.
They are still paying for it.
Oh, and on a final note, once you've reached a down point in a game you're going to stay bored until *you* do something about it. Whether or not that is stepping away from the game for a while, permanently or not at all is your call. |
Mugged Yougot
NorCorp Security AAA Citizens
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Posted - 2012.04.23 08:44:00 -
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I can not answer your question as to why it's "boring", but I can tell you why it's fun! Because you lose something when you die, and your fights actually matter. On second thought, this might also be why it's "boring", especially if you suck at PvP. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
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Posted - 2012.04.23 11:54:00 -
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Tierere wrote:
Thanks that put's it well, so much more should be done but the underlying mechanic is very limiting. The 'balancing' of ships and mods to make pvp more completive is just a distraction from the underlying ills. The point and click system, with the basic navigation of approach and orbit for example show how basic the structure actually is. They have done well with that system but honestly it feels a bit old now no matter how shinny they make the ships. I'm interested to see how dust works as a mmofps that might be more of a model for future engines. However there are other games out there and more being developed so if eve does not change it's life span will be limited.
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You are around, oh, ELEVEN Weeks Late on this...................................
Dead thread is dead thread. There isn't anything left for you to do to Carebears. -áGo, kill them some more. They're like fungus or bacteria, they won't die and they won't stop. All you have to show for years of organized harassment campaigns against them is ... nothing. |
Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
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Posted - 2012.04.23 13:35:00 -
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2bhammered wrote:Why is PVP boring You must be doing it wrong. I've never been so freaked out as when I get locked down and destroyed in eve. No other game gives my stomach butterflies like eve when I jump someone else. EvE PVP is the source, to borrow from the surfer parlance.
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Nirnias Stirrum
Ore Mongers BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2012.04.23 13:51:00 -
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2bhammered wrote:Why is PVP boring Thoughts please... PS: This is not a troll
Because your doing it wrong? |
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