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2bhammered
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.01.28 03:38:00 -
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Why is PVP boring
Thoughts please...
PS: This is not a troll |
Renarla
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Posted - 2012.01.28 03:43:00 -
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Maybe this isn't the game for you...? |
2bhammered
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.01.28 03:46:00 -
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Renarla wrote:Maybe this isn't the game for you...?
It was for many years. Any thoughts? |
KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
312
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Posted - 2012.01.28 03:47:00 -
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Because according to eve-kill, you don't do it much? http://i.imgur.com/cOmMP.gif |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
540
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Posted - 2012.01.28 03:48:00 -
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I don't find it boring...
Mind you, I don't engage in the PvP pew pew area, but I love watching and waiting as the ships fight at the undock, hoping one will fall so I can swoop in and take their gory remains,. |
2bhammered
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.01.28 03:49:00 -
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KrakizBad wrote:Because according to eve-kill, you don't do it much?
Ok? any thoughts as to why? this thread needs to contain more "thought"!! |
2bhammered
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.01.28 03:52:00 -
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Corina Jarr wrote:I don't find it boring...
Mind you, I don't engage in the PvP pew pew area, but I love watching and waiting as the ships fight at the undock, hoping one will fall so I can swoop in and take their gory remains,.
So you play that game, I also know why many love to mine game and trade game, some even haul game. But any thoughts on why PVP is boring?
Ok I will start with a thought I had, one of many, maybe it is because everyone zerg/blob and all of PVP is just about trying to bait and that's it.
Maybe gameplay feels old and stale. Just a thought, now your turn. |
Sara XIII
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
49
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Posted - 2012.01.28 04:00:00 -
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Are you waiting for PvP or looking for PvP?
Looking is never boring. |
T' Elk
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
277
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Posted - 2012.01.28 04:01:00 -
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PvP is boring because instead of using the last 5 days of my sub playing the game, I choose to come and shitpost on the forums. Any thoughts? God wears-áRay Ban Aviators. |
2bhammered
Perkone Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2012.01.28 04:03:00 -
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Sara XIII wrote:Are you waiting for PvP or looking for PvP?
Looking is never boring.
Looking, always looking, I would even bail on alliance fleets just to look for it instead of having to wait and roll your thumbs for hours. Guess what? looking sucks. Enter system either 2 things will happen, everyone docks or... they blob you, snooze zzz and even if you do get a fight, a fun one which happens once in a blue moon, it is not so "fun". |
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2bhammered
Perkone Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2012.01.28 04:06:00 -
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T' Elk wrote:PvP is boring because instead of using the last 5 days of my sub playing the game, I choose to come and shitpost on the forums. Any thoughts?
I feel your pain, my thought is that pvp is just, dull/boring and you know those 5 days would be spent either blobbed, zerged, waiting 90% of the time or looking 90% of the time instead of getting an actual fight or bored of your ship or fitting and wait those 5 days to train for something "else" or be at the point where you try and think of something to train for.
Just a thought. |
KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
312
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Posted - 2012.01.28 04:07:00 -
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2bhammered wrote:Sara XIII wrote:Are you waiting for PvP or looking for PvP?
Looking is never boring. Looking, always looking, I would even bail on alliance fleets just to look for it instead of having to wait and roll your thumbs for hours. Guess what? looking sucks. Enter system either 2 things will happen, everyone docks or... they blob you, snooze zzz and even if you do get a fight, a fun one which happens once in a blue moon, it is not so "fun". If you don't think "fun" fights are fun, then you have answered your own question. http://i.imgur.com/cOmMP.gif |
2bhammered
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.01.28 04:11:00 -
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KrakizBad wrote:2bhammered wrote:Sara XIII wrote:Are you waiting for PvP or looking for PvP?
Looking is never boring. Looking, always looking, I would even bail on alliance fleets just to look for it instead of having to wait and roll your thumbs for hours. Guess what? looking sucks. Enter system either 2 things will happen, everyone docks or... they blob you, snooze zzz and even if you do get a fight, a fun one which happens once in a blue moon, it is not so "fun". If you don't think "fun" fights are fun, then you have answered your own question.
Not as fun as they use to be no, that's for sure, frigates is also still the most "fun" ship in pvp even almost a decade after starting to play this game. Makes you think ha? again, just a thought, "fun" was not partof development in recent years of in many parts of the game, not sure. I am also not sure how I answered my own question, I have thoughts but I am not sure as to why I don't have fun even in a good fight. |
Sara XIII
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
49
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Posted - 2012.01.28 04:11:00 -
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2bhammered wrote:Sara XIII wrote:Are you waiting for PvP or looking for PvP?
Looking is never boring. Looking, always looking, I would even bail on alliance fleets just to look for it instead of having to wait and roll your thumbs for hours. Guess what? looking sucks. Enter system either 2 things will happen, everyone docks or... they blob you, snooze zzz and even if you do get a fight, a fun one which happens once in a blue moon, it is not so "fun".
Never give up. |
2bhammered
Perkone Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2012.01.28 04:15:00 -
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Sara XIII wrote:2bhammered wrote:Sara XIII wrote:Are you waiting for PvP or looking for PvP?
Looking is never boring. Looking, always looking, I would even bail on alliance fleets just to look for it instead of having to wait and roll your thumbs for hours. Guess what? looking sucks. Enter system either 2 things will happen, everyone docks or... they blob you, snooze zzz and even if you do get a fight, a fun one which happens once in a blue moon, it is not so "fun". Never give up.
I am close to giving up. PVP today and looking for it, use to be a pirate, hasn't been fun for years Not 100% sure as to why, I have theories but nothing definitive. I find being pirate, alliance fighter, fleet, spec ops and even highsec ganking to all be boring.
Only reason I still have the game is because I bought plex for my isks. If not for that I wouldn't have a sub at all. |
Sara XIII
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
49
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Posted - 2012.01.28 04:23:00 -
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Have you tried command or played some of the meta-games EVE has to offer?
You sound like you need a new challenge. |
2bhammered
Perkone Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2012.01.28 04:29:00 -
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Sara XIII wrote:Have you tried command or played some of the meta-games EVE has to offer?
You sound like you need a new challenge.
I have done command, leading squads in pvp and fleets,usually roaming ones and sometimes, cringes*, bubble camps. I have also run a corp years ago. Meta games to me are boring and too time consuming, I miss the days when I would log on with my ****** SP noob char and attack and ransom people in my rifter, merlin or tank gate guns and scare the **** out of surprised people in lowsec with a shield extended caracal. But now I find ship, mechanics, graphics and fighting scenarios, damn, everything to just be very very boring. I spend more time on EFT or something than ingame and even if I spent more time ingame it would just be a waste of chasing ghosts or hiding/docked.
Maybe it is just boring because it gets old after years of few things to play with in the sandbox, maybe too many people with too much SP and ISK, maybe we need arena style or battleground pvp? or an eve 2.0 or deletion of capitals and complete change to highsec, lowsec and sovereignity, not sure. But for now, boooring, most people I know feel the same way, especially veterans. Maybe change, scrap the skill system or make the cap a lot smaller.
Again, more thoughts are welcome! |
Hainnz
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
67
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Posted - 2012.01.28 04:31:00 -
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I don't particularly find EVE PVP much fun either (talking ship combat specifically here), because in my experience the fights are usually decided before the first laser is fired.
"Yay/Boo. We won/lost. *yawns*"
I suppose if I could find a way of ensuring "good" fights without them being staged, then PVP might hold my interest more.
I will say that EVE's flavor of PVP makes the other parts of the game more interesting to me. I really enjoy the exploration aspect of these games. The fact that the other players can, and usually will, try to blow me up if I let them makes going out there and doing stuff fun. (Even if the stuff I'm doing isn't particularly interesting itself.) |
2bhammered
Perkone Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2012.01.28 04:33:00 -
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Hainnz wrote:I don't particularly find EVE PVP much fun either (talking ship combat specifically here), because in my experience the fights are usually decided before the first laser is fired.
"Yay/Boo. We won/lost. *yawns*"
I suppose if I could find a way of ensuring "good" fights without them being staged, then PVP might hold my interest more.
I will say that EVE's flavor of PVP makes the other parts of the game more interesting to me. I really enjoy the exploration aspect of these games. The fact that the other players can, and usually will, try to blow me up if I let them makes going out there and doing stuff fun. (Even if the stuff I'm doing isn't particularly interesting itself.)
I feel the same way, I tried to get into WH's and exploration many times, my problem is I have yet to encounter anything worthwhile exploring for in this game, everything PVE wise or what I can find by exploring is tedious and lame to me. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
689
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Posted - 2012.01.28 04:37:00 -
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Here's how most PVP is done in EVE:
You fit a ship you are fine with losing.
Join your fleet (AKA. Blob).
Warp to battle.
Look at screen and know how the battle will play out before it even starts.
Shooting rocks is more exciting, TBH.
Mr Epeen Me too!-á I ate one sour, too! |
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Tore Vest
162
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Posted - 2012.01.28 04:39:00 -
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Politics..... nerfs.... whining... makes PVP booring Highsec carebear... and proud of it |
2bhammered
Perkone Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2012.01.28 04:43:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Here's how most PVP is done in EVE: You fit a ship you are fine with losing. Join your fleet (AKA. Blob). Warp to battle. Look at screen and know how the battle will play out before it even starts. Shooting rocks is more exciting, TBH. Mr Epeen
I feel a shamed for saying this, but I had more fun in PVP Arena in WoW during WOTLK than in EvE, I have more fun in SC2 fighting a korean, I have more fun fighting in a trade over a rare hat in TF2 than to PVP in EvE, what went wrong? I am not joking nor trolling I am seriously asking this. I took a break from eve years ago due to real life obligations, I use to love it, now being back it is like, the mostboring PVP I have played, almost ever. I just don't get it, what happened in the last years? any thoughts? I really wanna get to the bottom of this. Is it me? CCP? time has passed+/-competition? what? |
2bhammered
Perkone Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2012.01.28 04:46:00 -
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Tore Vest wrote:Politics..... nerfs.... whining... makes PVP booring
Hmm, politics, when I left ascn=my **** was gone, bob=gone goons brought fun and reshaped stuff but like george lucas became the boring system themselves that they set out to change, nerfs, well all fleet doctrines in EVE are now exactly the same in every single alliance, maybe you are on to something.
Good thoughts you got there, please elaborate on them, I sense something is here. |
Skorpynekomimi
E.A.D Alliance Omega Vector
97
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Posted - 2012.01.28 04:48:00 -
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Because it's over in seconds. Warp to gate, kaboom. Sitting there in a pod, surrounded by the dust that was my shuttle. |
2bhammered
Perkone Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2012.01.28 04:49:00 -
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Skorpynekomimi wrote:Because it's over in seconds. Warp to gate, kaboom. Sitting there in a pod, surrounded by the dust that was my shuttle.
Please, be serious! also that shuttle kill was my highpoint that night |
Tore Vest
163
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Posted - 2012.01.28 04:54:00 -
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2bhammered wrote:Tore Vest wrote:Politics..... nerfs.... whining... makes PVP booring Hmm, politics, when I left ascn=my **** was gone, bob=gone goons brought fun and reshaped stuff but like george lucas became the boring system themselves that they set out to change, nerfs, well all fleet doctrines in EVE are now exactly the same in every single alliance, maybe you are on to something. Good thoughts you got there, please elaborate on them, I sense something is here.
Its as simle as this.... When ppl start trolling(whining) to CCP... to do tupid nerfs in order of getting the upper hand in PVP..... Then PVP gets stupid... booring
Edit: When ppl uses their CSM position to do this.... there we have politics Highsec carebear... and proud of it |
ILikeMarkets
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
52
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Posted - 2012.01.28 05:04:00 -
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EVE PvP is a waiting game for most folks. Sit at a gate and wait. Roam around and wait. Sit by a station and wait. Roam some more and wait.
When you do finally find PvP after an hour of this- it's either a blob and you get demolished, or you are the blob and the fight lasts 2 seconds anyway.
Rarely, every so rarely, you get blob on blob and that's entertaining for 15 minutes. Then you go back to waiting.
Honestly, if you find waiting boring, you really are playing the wrong game. I don't mean that in a negative way to you- it's just how the game is. There are people who eat it up. Me? I keep a movie going on my second monitor whenever I go out. Usually end up having 2 or 3 fights before the movie is over, too. Protect highsec.-áWe are the 66%.
https://p.twimg.com/Ajc6KNBCQAAT9my.png (Source: https://twitter.com/ccp_diagoras ) |
Marlona Sky
EntroPrelatial Vanguard EntroPraetorian Aegis
401
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Posted - 2012.01.28 05:06:00 -
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Remove local. Embrace the unknown.
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2bhammered
Perkone Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2012.01.28 05:10:00 -
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Marlona Sky wrote:Remove local. Embrace the unknown.
I wish |
2bhammered
Perkone Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2012.01.28 05:13:00 -
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ILikeMarkets wrote:EVE PvP is a waiting game for most folks. Sit at a gate and wait. Roam around and wait. Sit by a station and wait. Roam some more and wait.
When you do finally find PvP after an hour of this- it's either a blob and you get demolished, or you are the blob and the fight lasts 2 seconds anyway.
Rarely, every so rarely, you get blob on blob and that's entertaining for 15 minutes. Then you go back to waiting.
Honestly, if you find waiting boring, you really are playing the wrong game. I don't mean that in a negative way to you- it's just how the game is. There are people who eat it up. Me? I keep a movie going on my second monitor whenever I go out. Usually end up having 2 or 3 fights before the movie is over, too.
I think you are correct in everything you said, even your reccomendation, but I have to ask, why 5 years ago did I get 20 fights during that movie and today I can watch the trilogy of lord of the rings, extended edition, without even 1 fight? And yes, perhaps the waiting leads to more expectation and less reward for time spent, thus, the fight itself is alot less fun than 20 of similar fights in 1hour.
Thanks for your thoughts, and yes this game has way too much waiting, even when waiting you wait and waiting has become worse it seems. I use to PVP with 500k+ SP back in the day and get a fight. |
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RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion
1307
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Posted - 2012.01.28 05:14:00 -
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2bhammered wrote:Marlona Sky wrote:Remove local. Embrace the unknown. I wish
Both of you go to WH space. Enjoy. Seriously. You have the mechanic you want already available in game. Single-Shard, Player Driven Sandbox.
5 words. That's what makes it special in my eyes. |
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1321
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Posted - 2012.01.28 05:17:00 -
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play on acid..
than say. |
XY Zed
22
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Posted - 2012.01.28 05:17:00 -
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Ive suggested warp beacons be active when warp scramblers are used in low sec, but I got flammed to hell because the pvpers dont want to pvp unexpectedly |
2bhammered
Perkone Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2012.01.28 05:18:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:2bhammered wrote:Marlona Sky wrote:Remove local. Embrace the unknown. I wish Both of you go to WH space. Enjoy. Seriously. You have the mechanic you want already available in game.
WH's sucks, if I want to wait/look even more I might as well play chess against Earle, to be fair though, Leo is more fun than eve pvp, my opinion anyway. |
2bhammered
Perkone Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2012.01.28 05:21:00 -
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XY Zed wrote:Ive suggested warp beacons be active when warp scramblers are used in low sec, but I got flammed to hell because the pvpers dont want to pvp unexpectedly
Hint; most pvp:ers are bigger carebears than carebears. I once lost all +5implants at a gatecamp knowing I would die because I waited for PVP for 8+ hours on a weekend and wasso bored I rather try and PVP and lose those implants than slit my wrists at boredom, the thanks I got was a pissed off alliance leader trying to show good results in ISK win/lose in "the great" war... most alliances forgot that eve online is a game so to be fair I cannot judge them. |
yer mammy
Derp Inc
20
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Posted - 2012.01.28 05:22:00 -
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eve has always been more of a thinkers game. most of the thrill is in the hunt and it will never be a game for instant thrills or gratification. |
RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion
1307
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Posted - 2012.01.28 05:23:00 -
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2bhammered wrote:RubyPorto wrote:2bhammered wrote:Marlona Sky wrote:Remove local. Embrace the unknown. I wish Both of you go to WH space. Enjoy. Seriously. You have the mechanic you want already available in game. WH's sucks, if I want to wait/look even more I might as well play chess against Earle, to be fair though, Leo is more fun than eve pvp, my opinion anyway.
Wait, you want the reason finding fights in WH space is hard brought to Null because.....????? Single-Shard, Player Driven Sandbox.
5 words. That's what makes it special in my eyes. |
2bhammered
Perkone Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2012.01.28 05:25:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:2bhammered wrote:RubyPorto wrote:2bhammered wrote:Marlona Sky wrote:Remove local. Embrace the unknown. I wish Both of you go to WH space. Enjoy. Seriously. You have the mechanic you want already available in game. WH's sucks, if I want to wait/look even more I might as well play chess against Earle, to be fair though, Leo is more fun than eve pvp, my opinion anyway. Wait, you want the reason finding fights in WH space is hard brought to Null because.....?????
Because maybe having no local is why people are even more chicken than normal, thus you have to force them to accept no local in any place, force them to stop running of to "safe spots" and only fight when they dictate circumstances because they are so afraid of losing their epeen is hurting PVP and whatever fun it use to be/is. |
2bhammered
Perkone Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2012.01.28 05:26:00 -
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yer mammy wrote:eve has always been more of a thinkers game. most of the thrill is in the hunt and it will never be a game for instant thrills or gratification.
I know and it is good/great, but the thinking game has gone to the extreme, or do you disagree? I seem to remember more "instant thrills and gratification" yet offering much thinking and strategy 5 years ago unless I am suffering nostalgia maybe. |
RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion
1307
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Posted - 2012.01.28 05:35:00 -
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2bhammered wrote: Because maybe having no local is why people are even more chicken than normal, thus you have to force them to accept no local in any place, force them to stop running of to "safe spots" and only fight when they dictate circumstances because they are so afraid of losing their epeen is hurting PVP and whatever fun it use to be/is.
HA HA Ha HEE HE HAW HOO HAH EHE AHA AAH
HEE HEE HAW HAW AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA HAAA HAAA HAAA
Yeah, no. If you can't catch people without local, and can't catch them with Local, maybe the presence or absence of local isn't the source of your difficulties. Single-Shard, Player Driven Sandbox.
5 words. That's what makes it special in my eyes. |
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XY Zed
22
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Posted - 2012.01.28 05:39:00 -
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Eve pvp is like chess, but you dont start off with perfect information, its like being blindfolded and requiring someone to keep track of every piece the other guy has. Anyways point is you are 'suppose' to have intel networks in low sec at choke points or where ever, so you can record names and their ships - apparently many people are crazy enough to be completely okay with this, and what i think keeps away a lot of potential small pvp- ask your corp or alliance if they have intel channels. |
2bhammered
Perkone Caldari State
12
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Posted - 2012.01.28 05:45:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:2bhammered wrote: Because maybe having no local is why people are even more chicken than normal, thus you have to force them to accept no local in any place, force them to stop running of to "safe spots" and only fight when they dictate circumstances because they are so afraid of losing their epeen is hurting PVP and whatever fun it use to be/is.
HA HA Ha HEE HE HAW HOO HAH EHE AHA AAHHEE HEE HAW HAW AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA HAAA HAAA HAAAYeah, no. If you can't catch people without local, and can't catch them with Local, maybe the presence or absence of local isn't the source of your difficulties.
Catch? first off you get no "like" from me because your attempt at humor failed horribly Next time use more kittens and or latest memes.
As for "catching" people, what is this? tom and jerry? all of EVE Online PVP is a game of cat and mouse and as much as it is fun sometimes or use to be, there is nothing else to do... come on... if a gate camp sees local jump more than they camp they jump out ther camp, here comes solo guy, VS everybody, oooohhh I blew up a shuttle, aaaawwww I ganked someone in highsec lol seriously? how long have you played eve? when will you stop trying to be "cool" in eve and face facts, it is booooring. I and the other forum warriors would tear you a new one back 5 years ago if you sneezed at EVE, but not anymore nor does any of my friends from back then either,
why?
game is boring, for both carebears and hardcore. It is boring for the strategist l33t chest master who waits forever, because game mechanics fail at offering enough reward for such a player, unless we speak of metagame politics. It is boring for the PVP drone, laggy fleet fights and wait=boring, it sucks for the funny pirate=no targets to be had or fun small fights besides once in a bluemoon.
Who is this game funny for? miners? mining is neither fun nor more boring back in beta lol do I want to pay/play a game for almost a decade to mine? ok haul? science? tech 2 bpo was nice for an industrist if he won back in the lottery days, today? PI? lol and what do we got to look forward? 3d space walk? buying a PS3 to fight over nullsec PI?
/sigh |
met worst
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
107
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Posted - 2012.01.28 06:02:00 -
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2bhammered wrote:KrakizBad wrote:Because according to eve-kill, you don't do it much? Ok? any thoughts as to why? this thread needs to contain more "thought"!! Best o' luck, you are getting intellectually trolled by KrakizBad, the epitomy of "thought provoking commentary".
If flight sims is ya thing, Eve ain't gonna be ya thing. If working for the best evasion, invasion, persuasion (anything with "sion" really) techniques is your preference then you'd fit right in.
Become an FC, any moron can do it. I know plenty. |
2bhammered
Perkone Caldari State
12
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Posted - 2012.01.28 06:06:00 -
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met worst wrote:2bhammered wrote:KrakizBad wrote:Because according to eve-kill, you don't do it much? Ok? any thoughts as to why? this thread needs to contain more "thought"!! Best o' luck, you are getting intellectually trolled by KrakizBad, the epitomy of "thought provoking commentary". If flight sims is ya thing, Eve ain't gonna be ya thing. If working for the best evasion, invasion, persuasion (anything with "sion" really) techniques is your preference then you'd fit right in. Become an FC, any moron can do it. I know plenty.
I have been FC enough to know when to yell "troll!"
FC=full on caffeine |
RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion
1309
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Posted - 2012.01.28 06:13:00 -
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met worst wrote:2bhammered wrote:KrakizBad wrote:Because according to eve-kill, you don't do it much? Ok? any thoughts as to why? this thread needs to contain more "thought"!! Best o' luck, you are getting intellectually trolled by KrakizBad, the epitomy of "thought provoking commentary". If flight sims is ya thing, Eve ain't gonna be ya thing. If working for the best evasion, invasion, persuasion (anything with "sion" really) techniques is your preference then you'd fit right in. Become an FC, any moron can do it. I know plenty.
Oh god. I just liked a met worst post. Fuck me for reading the content before looking at the author.
But yeah, EvE PvP is real people interacting. There are 4 types of fights anywhere: 1) Both sides are aware of each other 2) One side ambushes the other 3) Neither side are aware of the other 4) Duels
1) Happens when there's something (a timer, tackled Carrier, whatever) to fight over, or if one side brings in a little of 2) by hiding its power.
2) Happens a lot as well, but you have to work to make it happen for you.
3) Results in some awesome GFs. Had one where a gang roamed into a staging fleet. Both were surprised.
4) Can be fun
You seem to want type 2 fights, you're going to need to put the work in to ambush someone. If you want type 1 fights, you're going to need to put the work in and start a timer. Type 3, you can't predict. Type 4, you got RvB (one giant duel with sub-duels available), corp mates, etc.
In other words, you gotta put the work in. Or just poke around and don't avoid people's attempt to spring type 2) fights on you. Single-Shard, Player Driven Sandbox.
5 words. That's what makes it special in my eyes. |
yer mammy
Derp Inc
20
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Posted - 2012.01.28 06:17:00 -
[46] - Quote
you're obviously not looking to be convinced eve is fun. every game runs its course and becomes boring after a while to someone. games are most fun when we're still learning and discovering. once you stop being stimulated in that way, the reaction is 'game stupid/boring. i quit!' instead of making a thread for attention, most people just move on.
i'd say if it took 10 years to finally become bored of the game, CCP did pretty well. |
2bhammered
Perkone Caldari State
12
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Posted - 2012.01.28 06:25:00 -
[47] - Quote
yer mammy wrote:you're obviously not looking to be convinced eve is fun. every game runs its course and becomes boring after a while to someone. games are most fun when we're still learning and discovering. once you stop being stimulated in that way, the reaction is 'game stupid/boring. i quit!' instead of making a thread for attention, most people just move on.
i'd say if it took 10 years to finally become bored of the game, CCP did pretty well.
not almost 10 years, more like 3 in total to be honest.
I agree somewhat with you but I also do not agree, some games I know are still fun even playing them for 10 years. Or they were fun enough I was happy when I left.
Also I did not ask for my attention with this post as much as I wanted attention to the fact (yes I know.. opinion) that EvE Online is boring. Also I wanted to ask why it became boring, did CCP do something wrong in game design over last years or is the game just too old that most veterans such as I have left or is it something else? I was going to put a "like" on your post until you accused me of being a rage quitter/troll/attention seeker instead of getting the point of my OP.
Also to the other poster (RubyPorto) previously not whom I quote in this post, it is not just about having to work hard for your fun. Working hard for entertainment has its limits, you need more "work" today than 5 years ago and the rewards is "less" than back then. Possibly spending a whole weekend for 1 or 2 fights or 1or 2 lagfleets snooze fests is not worth any amount or money or time invested to buy PLEX.
You say a group ran into your camp and both were suprised? really? you are the first fleet I have come across camping a gate being surprised seeing an enemy, which proves my point that you were so bored you were taken by surprise that you actualy got to fight for once instead of watching movies and listening to eve radio. And a group ran intoyou surprised? what they were a bunch of noobs in frigates who never heard of the sacred art of "scouting"? right...
Also who won? If you lost and did not knowit beforehand and jumped away when they came you need to get a better FC, one with 2 IQ, if you stayed and won your enemy was stupid.
EVE PVP=fight when you know you win and don't when you know you lose |
RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion
1309
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Posted - 2012.01.28 06:29:00 -
[48] - Quote
2bhammered wrote:yer mammy wrote:you're obviously not looking to be convinced eve is fun. every game runs its course and becomes boring after a while to someone. games are most fun when we're still learning and discovering. once you stop being stimulated in that way, the reaction is 'game stupid/boring. i quit!' instead of making a thread for attention, most people just move on.
i'd say if it took 10 years to finally become bored of the game, CCP did pretty well. not almost 10 years, more like 3 in total to be honest. I agree somewhat with you but I also do not agree, some games I know are still fun even playing them for 10 years. Or they were fun enough I was happy when I left. Also I did not ask for my attention with this post as much as I wanted attention to the fact (yes I know.. opinion) that EvE Online is boring. Also I wanted to ask why it became boring, did CCP do something wrong in game design over last years or is the game just too old that most veterans such as I have left or is it something else? I was going to put a "like" on your post until you accused me of being a rage quitter/troll/attention seeker instead of getting the point of my OP.
It's not boring to me. There are aspects which I do find boring, but I avoid those aspects. Eve is pretty good at allowing me to avoid those aspects. Single-Shard, Player Driven Sandbox.
5 words. That's what makes it special in my eyes. |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
268
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Posted - 2012.01.28 06:33:00 -
[49] - Quote
eve is only as exciting as your initiative and imagination lets it be |
2bhammered
Perkone Caldari State
12
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Posted - 2012.01.28 06:35:00 -
[50] - Quote
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:eve is only as exciting as your initiative and imagination lets it be
Which is why D&D and my wetdreams are more fun than eve is?! |
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met worst
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
107
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Posted - 2012.01.28 06:40:00 -
[51] - Quote
RubyPorto wrote:met worst wrote:2bhammered wrote:KrakizBad wrote:Because according to eve-kill, you don't do it much? Ok? any thoughts as to why? this thread needs to contain more "thought"!! Best o' luck, you are getting intellectually trolled by KrakizBad, the epitomy of "thought provoking commentary". If flight sims is ya thing, Eve ain't gonna be ya thing. If working for the best evasion, invasion, persuasion (anything with "sion" really) techniques is your preference then you'd fit right in. Become an FC, any moron can do it. I know plenty. Oh god. I just liked a met worst post. Fu ck me for reading the content before looking at the author.
So take the damned thing back you, you, you, Indian Giver thingy you....
Ohh. It's you RabidPronto.
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RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion
1309
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Posted - 2012.01.28 06:41:00 -
[52] - Quote
2bhammered wrote:Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:eve is only as exciting as your initiative and imagination lets it be Which is why D&D and my wetdreams are more fun than eve is?!
You are in a dark room. You are most likely eaten by a Gazebo.
Roll a fire mage. Single-Shard, Player Driven Sandbox.
5 words. That's what makes it special in my eyes. |
2bhammered
Perkone Caldari State
12
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Posted - 2012.01.28 06:45:00 -
[53] - Quote
RubyPorto wrote:2bhammered wrote:Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:eve is only as exciting as your initiative and imagination lets it be Which is why D&D and my wetdreams are more fun than eve is?! You are in a dark room. You are most likely eaten by a Gazebo. Roll a fire mage.
I am a fire mage!! pew pew large pulse laser spec level 5
You know? my fire mage was more fun in WoW than in EvE trans speedz man it is all about dem trans speed!!! /zzz
f1 f2 f3.. |
RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion
1309
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Posted - 2012.01.28 06:47:00 -
[54] - Quote
met worst wrote:RubyPorto wrote:met worst wrote:2bhammered wrote:KrakizBad wrote:Because according to eve-kill, you don't do it much? Ok? any thoughts as to why? this thread needs to contain more "thought"!! Best o' luck, you are getting intellectually trolled by KrakizBad, the epitomy of "thought provoking commentary". If flight sims is ya thing, Eve ain't gonna be ya thing. If working for the best evasion, invasion, persuasion (anything with "sion" really) techniques is your preference then you'd fit right in. Become an FC, any moron can do it. I know plenty. Oh god. I just liked a met worst post. Fu ck me for reading the content before looking at the author. So take the damned thing back you, you, you, Indian Giver thingy you.... Ohh. It's you RabidPronto.
I take my spacebook liking very seriously . But really, not gonna take it back. To much of that silly agreement with ideas thing going on here (and I think here only. I can't always keep track of who I'm arguing with over what topics ). Single-Shard, Player Driven Sandbox.
5 words. That's what makes it special in my eyes. |
RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion
1309
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Posted - 2012.01.28 06:49:00 -
[55] - Quote
2bhammered wrote:RubyPorto wrote:2bhammered wrote:Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:eve is only as exciting as your initiative and imagination lets it be Which is why D&D and my wetdreams are more fun than eve is?! You are in a dark room. You are most likely eaten by a Gazebo. Roll a fire mage. I am a fire mage!! pew pew large pulse laser spec level 5 You know? my fire mage was more fun in WoW than in EvE trans speedz man it is all about dem trans speed!!! /zzz f1 f2 f3..
Sounds like you haven't heard of Eric the Paladin and the Dread Gazeebo, which invites me to doubt that you play D&D. Single-Shard, Player Driven Sandbox.
5 words. That's what makes it special in my eyes. |
2bhammered
Perkone Caldari State
12
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Posted - 2012.01.28 06:50:00 -
[56] - Quote
RubyPorto wrote:2bhammered wrote:RubyPorto wrote:2bhammered wrote:Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:eve is only as exciting as your initiative and imagination lets it be Which is why D&D and my wetdreams are more fun than eve is?! You are in a dark room. You are most likely eaten by a Gazebo. Roll a fire mage. I am a fire mage!! pew pew large pulse laser spec level 5 You know? my fire mage was more fun in WoW than in EvE trans speedz man it is all about dem trans speed!!! /zzz f1 f2 f3.. Sounds like you haven't heard of Eric the Paladin and the Dread Gazeebo, which invites me to doubt that you play D&D.
I don't play D&D hence why I used it in that context because D&D bores me to death pay attention
(wizards of the coast is alright though.) |
Umega
Solis Mensa
67
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Posted - 2012.01.28 06:53:00 -
[57] - Quote
2bhammered wrote: I have done command, leading squads in pvp and fleets,usually roaming ones and sometimes, cringes*, bubble camps. I have also run a corp years ago. Meta games to me are boring and too time consuming, I miss the days when I would log on with my ****** SP noob char and attack and ransom people in my rifter, merlin or tank gate guns and scare the **** out of surprised people in lowsec with a shield extended caracal. But now I find ship, mechanics, graphics and fighting scenarios, damn, everything to just be very very boring. I spend more time on EFT or something than ingame and even if I spent more time ingame it would just be a waste of chasing ghosts or hiding/docked.
Maybe it is just boring because it gets old after years of few things to play with in the sandbox, maybe too many people with too much SP and ISK, maybe we need arena style or battleground pvp? or an eve 2.0 or deletion of capitals and complete change to highsec, lowsec and sovereignity, not sure. But for now, boooring, most people I know feel the same way, especially veterans. Maybe change, scrap the skill system or make the cap a lot smaller.
Again, more thoughts are welcome!
To be honest, I feel there is a lack in game design by CCP in regards to PVP over the years, I think they have done a bad job. Not being mean, it is my honest heartfelt opinion about a company I do hold in a VERY high esteem.
While part of me seriously thinks you have alternate motives here.. and are fishing for something to poke and prod, drudge up and then unveil as some eye awakening moment for everyone else..
I'll take it at face value and point to this post of yours. Quite simply.. Take a break from the game.
This game is not the game you are looking for. Asking for Instances (yes you are).. quite honestly.. makes me want to kick you, hard.. in the face.
There is the side of you wanting the noob way of life.. then the side that seems to want more now faster, which contradictes what it is to be a fresh noob.
The only thing stopping you from ransoming ppl in a frig and flying a caracal is yourself.. find a different lowsec area to pirate if the one you're working doesn't produce. Check map.. look at bottlenecks, find ones that are lower in 'ships lost per 24/hour' than other bottlenecks. Why? Because most ppl looking for fights are going where kills are.. the ones not lff are going to take the safer route, and thus.. you have more targets to exploit than competition.
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RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion
1309
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Posted - 2012.01.28 07:01:00 -
[58] - Quote
2bhammered wrote:I don't play D&D hence why I used it in that context because D&D bores me to death pay attention (wizards of the coast is alright though.)
You said D&D and Wet Dreams are more fun than EvE.
I find that my Wet Dreams are pretty enjoyable and, assuming that you felt the same about said Wet Dreams, drew the conclusion that you also found D&D enjoyable. Single-Shard, Player Driven Sandbox.
5 words. That's what makes it special in my eyes. |
2bhammered
Perkone Caldari State
12
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Posted - 2012.01.28 07:02:00 -
[59] - Quote
Umega wrote:2bhammered wrote: I have done command, leading squads in pvp and fleets,usually roaming ones and sometimes, cringes*, bubble camps. I have also run a corp years ago. Meta games to me are boring and too time consuming, I miss the days when I would log on with my ****** SP noob char and attack and ransom people in my rifter, merlin or tank gate guns and scare the **** out of surprised people in lowsec with a shield extended caracal. But now I find ship, mechanics, graphics and fighting scenarios, damn, everything to just be very very boring. I spend more time on EFT or something than ingame and even if I spent more time ingame it would just be a waste of chasing ghosts or hiding/docked.
Maybe it is just boring because it gets old after years of few things to play with in the sandbox, maybe too many people with too much SP and ISK, maybe we need arena style or battleground pvp? or an eve 2.0 or deletion of capitals and complete change to highsec, lowsec and sovereignity, not sure. But for now, boooring, most people I know feel the same way, especially veterans. Maybe change, scrap the skill system or make the cap a lot smaller.
Again, more thoughts are welcome!
To be honest, I feel there is a lack in game design by CCP in regards to PVP over the years, I think they have done a bad job. Not being mean, it is my honest heartfelt opinion about a company I do hold in a VERY high esteem. While part of me seriously thinks you have alternate motives here.. and are fishing for something to poke and prod, drudge up and then unveil as some eye awakening moment for everyone else.. I'll take it at face value and point to this post of yours. Quite simply.. Take a break from the game. This game is not the game you are looking for. Asking for Instances (yes you are).. quite honestly.. makes me want to kick you, hard.. in the face. There is the side of you wanting the noob way of life.. then the side that seems to want more now faster, which contradictes what it is to be a fresh noob. The only thing stopping you from ransoming ppl in a frig and flying a caracal is yourself.. find a different lowsec area to pirate if the one you're working doesn't produce. Check map.. look at bottlenecks, find ones that are lower in 'ships lost per 24/hour' than other bottlenecks. Why? Because most ppl looking for fights are going where kills are.. the ones not lff are going to take the safer route, and thus.. you have more targets to exploit than competition.
Calm down, I love CCP, I love EVE Online for what it is does, I took a break, almost 5 years, it is more boring today than back then. I asked for instancing? If you refer to my idea about having an arena style of CCP alliance tournament in the game then yes I did ask for that. But you don't need instancing in order to implement that, just for the record.
Also kicking me in the face would be a bad idea, I suggest working on your temper before you have a seizure and you will if you re-act like that to every internet opinion you do not agree with.
I am not a fresh noob, sorry to spoil it for you. As for finding a pirate area lol pirating today is enough plate/shield and alpha and sit at a gate in lowsec and hope for luck and if enemy is too strong I just leave before you get to me, again, zzzzzzz
Only ones getting fights that you try to convince me exist anymore are those who are the real noobs in this game catching other noobs and having a noobish fight waiting for more hours than any other form of entertainment would take and be less rewarding than reading ECO by Umberto... |
KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
314
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Posted - 2012.01.28 07:05:00 -
[60] - Quote
met worst wrote:2bhammered wrote:KrakizBad wrote:Because according to eve-kill, you don't do it much? Ok? any thoughts as to why? this thread needs to contain more "thought"!! Best o' luck, you are getting intellectually trolled by KrakizBad, the epitomy of "thought provoking commentary". If flight sims is ya thing, Eve ain't gonna be ya thing. If working for the best evasion, invasion, persuasion (anything with "sion" really) techniques is your preference then you'd fit right in. Become an FC, any moron can do it. I know plenty. Post with your main.
Also, . http://i.imgur.com/cOmMP.gif |
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2bhammered
Perkone Caldari State
13
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Posted - 2012.01.28 07:07:00 -
[61] - Quote
RubyPorto wrote:2bhammered wrote:I don't play D&D hence why I used it in that context because D&D bores me to death pay attention (wizards of the coast is alright though.) You said D&D and Wet Dreams are more fun than EvE. I find that my Wet Dreams are pretty enjoyable and, assuming that you felt the same about said Wet Dreams, drew the conclusion that you also found D&D enjoyable.
Sorry I was not clear enough, I do not have wetdreams since I have sex and I find D&D with pen and paper to be extremly boring but still both activites is and would be more fun than a night of playing EvE Online. I do forgive you though On a positive note, at least when I am not the FC I can just do other things like cleaning my house and IF a fight happens I will hear it thanks to mumble or TS. Problem now is I figured out is even better ifI just don't turn on EVE at all and just play something else or watch movies etc. |
met worst
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
107
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Posted - 2012.01.28 07:08:00 -
[62] - Quote
KrakizBad wrote:met worst wrote:2bhammered wrote:KrakizBad wrote:Because according to eve-kill, you don't do it much? Ok? any thoughts as to why? this thread needs to contain more "thought"!! Best o' luck, you are getting intellectually trolled by KrakizBad, the epitomy of "thought provoking commentary". If flight sims is ya thing, Eve ain't gonna be ya thing. If working for the best evasion, invasion, persuasion (anything with "sion" really) techniques is your preference then you'd fit right in. Become an FC, any moron can do it. I know plenty. Post with your main. Also, . This IS my main.
Also, . |
Umega
Solis Mensa
67
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Posted - 2012.01.28 07:08:00 -
[63] - Quote
2bhammered wrote:Umega wrote:2bhammered wrote: I have done command, leading squads in pvp and fleets,usually roaming ones and sometimes, cringes*, bubble camps. I have also run a corp years ago. Meta games to me are boring and too time consuming, I miss the days when I would log on with my ****** SP noob char and attack and ransom people in my rifter, merlin or tank gate guns and scare the **** out of surprised people in lowsec with a shield extended caracal. But now I find ship, mechanics, graphics and fighting scenarios, damn, everything to just be very very boring. I spend more time on EFT or something than ingame and even if I spent more time ingame it would just be a waste of chasing ghosts or hiding/docked.
Maybe it is just boring because it gets old after years of few things to play with in the sandbox, maybe too many people with too much SP and ISK, maybe we need arena style or battleground pvp? or an eve 2.0 or deletion of capitals and complete change to highsec, lowsec and sovereignity, not sure. But for now, boooring, most people I know feel the same way, especially veterans. Maybe change, scrap the skill system or make the cap a lot smaller.
Again, more thoughts are welcome!
To be honest, I feel there is a lack in game design by CCP in regards to PVP over the years, I think they have done a bad job. Not being mean, it is my honest heartfelt opinion about a company I do hold in a VERY high esteem. While part of me seriously thinks you have alternate motives here.. and are fishing for something to poke and prod, drudge up and then unveil as some eye awakening moment for everyone else.. I'll take it at face value and point to this post of yours. Quite simply.. Take a break from the game. This game is not the game you are looking for. Asking for Instances (yes you are).. quite honestly.. makes me want to kick you, hard.. in the face. There is the side of you wanting the noob way of life.. then the side that seems to want more now faster, which contradictes what it is to be a fresh noob. The only thing stopping you from ransoming ppl in a frig and flying a caracal is yourself.. find a different lowsec area to pirate if the one you're working doesn't produce. Check map.. look at bottlenecks, find ones that are lower in 'ships lost per 24/hour' than other bottlenecks. Why? Because most ppl looking for fights are going where kills are.. the ones not lff are going to take the safer route, and thus.. you have more targets to exploit than competition. Calm down, I love CCP, I love EVE Online for what it is does, I took a break, almost 5 years, it is more boring today than back then. I asked for instancing? If you refer to my idea about having an arena style of CCP alliance tournament in the game then yes I did ask for that. But you don't need instancing in order to implement that, just for the record. Also kicking me in the face would be a bad idea, I suggest working on your temper before you have a seizure and you will if you re-act like that to every internet opinion you do not agree with. I am not a fresh noob, sorry to spoil it for you. As for finding a pirate area lol pirating today is enough plate/shield and alpha and sit at a gate in lowsec and hope for luck and if enemy is too strong I just leave before you get to me, again, zzzzzzz Only ones getting fights that you try to convince me exist anymore are those who are the real noobs in this game catching other noobs and having a noobish fight waiting for more hours than any other form of entertainment would take and be less rewarding than reading ECO by Umberto...
Okey dokes. You completely missed my points.. or are purposely dicing them up..
I definitely should have went for first thought on your intentions here. My bad. 8/10
And I think it would be a fantastic idea.
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KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
315
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Posted - 2012.01.28 07:11:00 -
[64] - Quote
met worst wrote:KrakizBad wrote:met worst wrote:2bhammered wrote:KrakizBad wrote:Because according to eve-kill, you don't do it much? Ok? any thoughts as to why? this thread needs to contain more "thought"!! Best o' luck, you are getting intellectually trolled by KrakizBad, the epitomy of "thought provoking commentary". If flight sims is ya thing, Eve ain't gonna be ya thing. If working for the best evasion, invasion, persuasion (anything with "sion" really) techniques is your preference then you'd fit right in. Become an FC, any moron can do it. I know plenty. Post with your main. Also, . This IS my main. Also, . Awww, now I feel bad for you. http://i.imgur.com/cOmMP.gif |
2bhammered
Perkone Caldari State
13
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Posted - 2012.01.28 07:15:00 -
[65] - Quote
Umega wrote:2bhammered wrote:Umega wrote:2bhammered wrote: I have done command, leading squads in pvp and fleets,usually roaming ones and sometimes, cringes*, bubble camps. I have also run a corp years ago. Meta games to me are boring and too time consuming, I miss the days when I would log on with my ****** SP noob char and attack and ransom people in my rifter, merlin or tank gate guns and scare the **** out of surprised people in lowsec with a shield extended caracal. But now I find ship, mechanics, graphics and fighting scenarios, damn, everything to just be very very boring. I spend more time on EFT or something than ingame and even if I spent more time ingame it would just be a waste of chasing ghosts or hiding/docked.
Maybe it is just boring because it gets old after years of few things to play with in the sandbox, maybe too many people with too much SP and ISK, maybe we need arena style or battleground pvp? or an eve 2.0 or deletion of capitals and complete change to highsec, lowsec and sovereignity, not sure. But for now, boooring, most people I know feel the same way, especially veterans. Maybe change, scrap the skill system or make the cap a lot smaller.
Again, more thoughts are welcome!
To be honest, I feel there is a lack in game design by CCP in regards to PVP over the years, I think they have done a bad job. Not being mean, it is my honest heartfelt opinion about a company I do hold in a VERY high esteem. While part of me seriously thinks you have alternate motives here.. and are fishing for something to poke and prod, drudge up and then unveil as some eye awakening moment for everyone else.. I'll take it at face value and point to this post of yours. Quite simply.. Take a break from the game. This game is not the game you are looking for. Asking for Instances (yes you are).. quite honestly.. makes me want to kick you, hard.. in the face. There is the side of you wanting the noob way of life.. then the side that seems to want more now faster, which contradictes what it is to be a fresh noob. The only thing stopping you from ransoming ppl in a frig and flying a caracal is yourself.. find a different lowsec area to pirate if the one you're working doesn't produce. Check map.. look at bottlenecks, find ones that are lower in 'ships lost per 24/hour' than other bottlenecks. Why? Because most ppl looking for fights are going where kills are.. the ones not lff are going to take the safer route, and thus.. you have more targets to exploit than competition. Calm down, I love CCP, I love EVE Online for what it is does, I took a break, almost 5 years, it is more boring today than back then. I asked for instancing? If you refer to my idea about having an arena style of CCP alliance tournament in the game then yes I did ask for that. But you don't need instancing in order to implement that, just for the record. Also kicking me in the face would be a bad idea, I suggest working on your temper before you have a seizure and you will if you re-act like that to every internet opinion you do not agree with. I am not a fresh noob, sorry to spoil it for you. As for finding a pirate area lol pirating today is enough plate/shield and alpha and sit at a gate in lowsec and hope for luck and if enemy is too strong I just leave before you get to me, again, zzzzzzz Only ones getting fights that you try to convince me exist anymore are those who are the real noobs in this game catching other noobs and having a noobish fight waiting for more hours than any other form of entertainment would take and be less rewarding than reading ECO by Umberto... Okey dokes. You completely missed my points.. or are purposely dicing them up.. I definitely should have went for first thought on your intentions here. My bad. 8/10 And I think it would be a fantastic idea.
Ok so what would you have me do? check bottlenecks?ok /docks/cloaks/safespot ok and as for using the mapto find fights :P I used intel channels for that, map takes too long to update and for other reasons is pretty much useless. Also I stop myself, ok so I should make a new char and expect the fun of launch? doesn't work in reality sorry, eve UNI fights prove that, also I donated money to them, a lot and I still want my name on their plaque :(
So you made an argument, I argue it and now I am the troll because you say so, good for you! |
RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion
1310
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Posted - 2012.01.28 07:17:00 -
[66] - Quote
2bhammered wrote:RubyPorto wrote:2bhammered wrote:I don't play D&D hence why I used it in that context because D&D bores me to death pay attention (wizards of the coast is alright though.) You said D&D and Wet Dreams are more fun than EvE. I find that my Wet Dreams are pretty enjoyable and, assuming that you felt the same about said Wet Dreams, drew the conclusion that you also found D&D enjoyable. Sorry I was not clear enough, I do not have wetdreams since I have sex and I find D&D with pen and paper to be extremly boring but still both activites is and would be more fun than a night of playing EvE Online. I do forgive you though On a positive note, at least when I am not the FC I can just do other things like cleaning my house and IF a fight happens I will hear it thanks to mumble or TS. Problem now is I figured out is even better ifI just don't turn on EVE at all and just play something else or watch movies etc.
Oooh, the big bad EvE player with his ____friend (who am I to assume or judge). I haven't noticed that an active sex life affects my rate of wet dreams (though I can't be sure, the lipstick smudges are a new feature). Single-Shard, Player Driven Sandbox.
5 words. That's what makes it special in my eyes. |
met worst
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
107
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Posted - 2012.01.28 07:18:00 -
[67] - Quote
KrakizBad wrote:met worst wrote:This IS my main. Also, . Awww, now I feel bad for you. Nah. It's OK. I used to fly with you dude.
Psstt... Hows VFK goin?
Also, . |
2bhammered
Perkone Caldari State
13
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Posted - 2012.01.28 07:23:00 -
[68] - Quote
RubyPorto wrote:2bhammered wrote:RubyPorto wrote:2bhammered wrote:I don't play D&D hence why I used it in that context because D&D bores me to death pay attention (wizards of the coast is alright though.) You said D&D and Wet Dreams are more fun than EvE. I find that my Wet Dreams are pretty enjoyable and, assuming that you felt the same about said Wet Dreams, drew the conclusion that you also found D&D enjoyable. Sorry I was not clear enough, I do not have wetdreams since I have sex and I find D&D with pen and paper to be extremly boring but still both activites is and would be more fun than a night of playing EvE Online. I do forgive you though On a positive note, at least when I am not the FC I can just do other things like cleaning my house and IF a fight happens I will hear it thanks to mumble or TS. Problem now is I figured out is even better ifI just don't turn on EVE at all and just play something else or watch movies etc. Oooh, the big bad EvE player with his ____friend (who am I to assume or judge). I haven't noticed that an active sex life affects my rate of wet dreams (though I can't be sure, the lipstick smudges are a new feature).
Who am I to argue on how your body works but in my own experience and as far as I know wetdreams start at puberty and ends when you get some. At least for me Ok I am calling quits to this line of thought and discussion before it gets too bad |
KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
315
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Posted - 2012.01.28 07:26:00 -
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met worst wrote:KrakizBad wrote:met worst wrote:This IS my main. Also, . Awww, now I feel bad for you. Nah. It's OK. I used to fly with you dude. Psstt... Hows VFK goin? Also, . Still held by us, and I hear the drake gang that flew in came to a bad end tonight. Also, didn't you claim to be a WN member? That would mean you flew against me, not with me. See sig.
Also to OP, have you considered acting in more of a supervisory capacity? http://i.imgur.com/cOmMP.gif |
met worst
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
107
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Posted - 2012.01.28 07:28:00 -
[70] - Quote
KrakizBad wrote:met worst wrote:KrakizBad wrote:met worst wrote:This IS my main. Also, . Awww, now I feel bad for you. Nah. It's OK. I used to fly with you dude. Psstt... Hows VFK goin? Also, . Still held by us, and I hear the drake gang that flew in came to a bad end tonight. Also, didn't you claim to be a WN member? That would mean you flew against me, not with me. See sig. Also to OP, have you considered acting in more of a supervisory capacity? FLEW is past tense. |
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met worst
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
107
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Posted - 2012.01.28 07:30:00 -
[71] - Quote
2bhammered wrote:Who am I to argue on how your body works but in my own experience and as far as I know wetdreams start at puberty and ends when you get some. At least for me Ok I am calling quits to this line of thought and discussion before it gets too bad I "get" plenty some and I get heaps of wetdreams about what I got some of.
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2bhammered
Perkone Caldari State
13
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Posted - 2012.01.28 07:30:00 -
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KrakizBad wrote:met worst wrote:KrakizBad wrote:met worst wrote:This IS my main. Also, . Awww, now I feel bad for you. Nah. It's OK. I used to fly with you dude. Psstt... Hows VFK goin? Also, . Still held by us, and I hear the drake gang that flew in came to a bad end tonight. Also, didn't you claim to be a WN member? That would mean you flew against me, not with me. See sig. Also to OP, have you considered acting in more of a supervisory capacity?
Asked and answered.
I guess bottom line, my point is... eve lacks in enough action for my taste and the action I get when I receive it is too dull and boring. Bottomline it is all about what is fun to you, still have enough plex to not pay for the next 6 months, so well if I ever face the choice of having to pay another cent I wont and if CCP change the game for the better I might change my mind when that time comes. But I hope CCP gets the message, also I would probably stay if we had some form of ranked Arena.
Peace all, thanks for everyones though, enjoy, keep discussing if you want to, like me if you like me, ignore me if you don't.
Back to SC2 for me now.
PS: I will be back when I need to /change skill then leave again... |
met worst
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
107
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Posted - 2012.01.28 07:42:00 -
[73] - Quote
2bhammered wrote:.........also I would probably stay if we had some form of ranked Arena.
Oh my.
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RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion
1311
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Posted - 2012.01.28 07:55:00 -
[74] - Quote
met worst wrote:2bhammered wrote:.........also I would probably stay if we had some form of ranked Arena.
Oh my.
There's a pallet of cans of worms we don't need. Single-Shard, Player Driven Sandbox.
5 words. That's what makes it special in my eyes. |
2bhammered
Perkone Caldari State
14
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Posted - 2012.01.28 08:48:00 -
[75] - Quote
RubyPorto wrote:met worst wrote:2bhammered wrote:.........also I would probably stay if we had some form of ranked Arena.
Oh my. There's a pallet of cans of worms we don't need.
Why? does it hurt you or the game if there was a gameplay feature/mechanic offering people to participate in similar gameplay to that of alliance tournament? on a regular basis with a ranking system/ladders. Or what do you seem to conjure up when I used the word "arena"?
I took the word from moba myself. Or do you hate moba's and any form of competitive play? is PVP only fun if you zerg/blob your enemy at a gate camp?? If so you answered my earlier statement as to why PVP is boring in EVE in my opinion, or at least part of it. |
EnslaverOfMinmatar
BRAPELILLE MACRO BOT MINERS
5
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Posted - 2012.01.28 08:51:00 -
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P v P is boring because I will win 100%. P v 6P is boring because those 6 noobs in 4 drakes, cane and a sleipnir warp out the moment I turn red. P v P is fun in Lineage 2, you just leave a lot of bodies on the ground and go to the next area. Maybe you should play Lineage 2 instead of this crap? Every EVE player must read this http://www.eveonline.com/background/potw/default.asp?cid=29-01-07 or uninstall and DIAF |
2bhammered
Perkone Caldari State
14
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Posted - 2012.01.28 08:56:00 -
[77] - Quote
EnslaverOfMinmatar wrote:P v P is boring because I will win 100%. P v 6P is boring because those 6 noobs in 4 drakes, cane and a sleipnir warp out the moment I turn red. P v P is fun in Lineage 2, you just leave a lot of bodies on the ground and go to the next area. Maybe you should play Lineage 2 instead of this crap?
Played it way, way back but ended up spending more of my time back then in SWG and other games. Today I hear it has gone f2p but I bet it is too old for me to enjoy, like this game is too old. My next MMO an MO on the horizon for me to try is GW2, Diablo 3 (if ever released) and maybe Tera if it survives the lawsuits for being too much lineage 3 or the New CS mmm yeah, also planetside 2 looks nice, no thanks on lineage 2 but good tip though. |
Valei Khurelem
242
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Posted - 2012.01.28 10:01:00 -
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2bhammered wrote:Renarla wrote:Maybe this isn't the game for you...? It was for many years. Any thoughts?
Because like me, you've realised that PvP in EVE Online is a rigged game and that nothing you ever do as a player will change that because in the end the group on the other side of the turrets will have played longer, got more people at their back and have the more expensive ships while refusing to ever fight against someone they might lose to because they're too afraid to lose it all.
As it stands now, playing the market has more skill based PvP than the actual pew pew PvP does, you're going to get trolled though for daring to suggest this because apparently if you do you're either stupid or you should leave even though the game style that this has been intended for is completely broken.
"don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP." -á - CCP Ytterbium |
Jojo Jackson
Dead Red Eye
81
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Posted - 2012.01.28 10:15:00 -
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big fleets: Zoom camara as far as posible out and play C64 red dots against blue dots. Warp at 10/30/50/200 km, lock red dot, press 1 small fleets: Hang around station or pos or gate for hours doing nothing but WAIT.
No taktical movement to use the areal for cover (you can even shot through asteroids, planets and stations). It's not even posible to use a big ship as cover for small ships as you just shout through.
Can you imagin how cool it would be to hide your frig+cruiser fleet behind a super-tanked mothership just to let them swarm out at the right moment and engage?
Except save-point hunting there is sooooo much space which is never used for fighting. It all happens close to some bigger strukture. No hunting around hills using small or hidden pathes with your frig to excape the big ships.
Just transversale or range as only "tacticel" movement.
That's why PvP in EvE is boring. Why the hell can't I fitt capital repairs or shield booster on an Orca ... it's an CAPITAL ship! |
met worst
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
108
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Posted - 2012.01.28 10:17:00 -
[80] - Quote
2bhammered wrote:RubyPorto wrote:met worst wrote:2bhammered wrote:.........also I would probably stay if we had some form of ranked Arena.
Oh my. There's a pallet of cans of worms we don't need. Why? does it hurt you or the game if there was a gameplay feature/mechanic offering people to participate in similar gameplay to that of alliance tournament? on a regular basis with a ranking system/ladders. Or what do you seem to conjure up when I used the word "arena"? I took the word from moba myself. Or do you hate moba's and any form of competitive play? is PVP only fun if you zerg/blob your enemy at a gate camp?? If so you answered my earlier statement as to why PVP is boring in EVE in my opinion, or at least part of it. On part I there is. it's called 0.0. My **** is better than your **** but if you think your **** is better than my **** then come try and blow my **** up. All PURELY optional.
As for part II, camps. Their **** is better than your **** but you didn't know their **** was better until you lost your **** when you jumped. Use a disposable scout. Also PURELY optional.
A bad game is one that has mechanic that says you can't win. In Eve the whole game is wrapped around the fact that you could.
HOW and WHEN you try to "deathmatch" is YOUR call.
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Sicex
34
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Posted - 2012.01.28 12:12:00 -
[81] - Quote
The fact that other game communities talk about the brutality of EVE PVP means your point is empty.
... I could even insert the meme: "You're not doing it right," and most EVE players would know what I mean. |
OmniBeton
OmniBeton Metatech
4
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Posted - 2012.01.28 12:50:00 -
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It IT boring. Because you spend 90% of the time looking for a fight othen than you vs 20 man gank, or grinding to get a new ship. That's why most fun give PVP in frigates - they are cheapest. One lvl 4 mission and you can buy dozen of spare ships and forget abount grind for a week. |
Sicex
34
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Posted - 2012.01.28 12:52:00 -
[83] - Quote
You can be more brash than wise... it's simply smarter to be a sniper rather than a gun slinger. |
J Kunjeh
348
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Posted - 2012.01.28 13:10:00 -
[84] - Quote
This thread is like weird deja vu. It was a thread eerily similar to this one that caused me to take my last Eve break...and I don't even PVP (unless you consider flying around lolsec with my pants on fire PVP). "The world as we know it came about through an anomaly (anomou)" (The Gospel of Philip, 1-5)-á |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
4590
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Posted - 2012.01.28 13:14:00 -
[85] - Quote
J Kunjeh wrote:(unless you consider flying around lolsec with my pants on fire PVP). That all depends on who and what lit them, doesn't it?
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
J Kunjeh
348
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Posted - 2012.01.28 13:17:00 -
[86] - Quote
Tippia wrote:J Kunjeh wrote:(unless you consider flying around lolsec with my pants on fire PVP). That all depends on who and what lit them, doesn't it?
Unfortunately for me, even the lowliest scum of a pirate doesn't have much problem lighting these britches on fire. "The world as we know it came about through an anomaly (anomou)" (The Gospel of Philip, 1-5)-á |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
282
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Posted - 2012.01.28 13:18:00 -
[87] - Quote
.............because it's pretty much only done for lulz it seems.
Even when I stupidly mined during a war dec, it was REALLY BORING watching that Megathron chew through my Orca for FIVE minutes till it popped.
Of couse at that point I either eject or self destruct denying them Kill-Mail.
THAT is NOT boring and brings LOTS of tears and rage.
And they say mining is boring................................. OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity" |
Cathy Drall
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
209
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Posted - 2012.01.28 13:58:00 -
[88] - Quote
ILikeMarkets wrote:EVE PvP is a waiting game for most folks. Sit at a gate and wait. Roam around and wait. Sit by a station and wait. Roam some more and wait.
When you do finally find PvP after an hour of this- it's either a blob and you get demolished, or you are the blob and the fight lasts 2 seconds anyway.
Rarely, every so rarely, you get blob on blob and that's entertaining for 15 minutes. Then you go back to waiting.
Honestly, if you find waiting boring, you really are playing the wrong game. I don't mean that in a negative way to you- it's just how the game is. There are people who eat it up. Me? I keep a movie going on my second monitor whenever I go out. Usually end up having 2 or 3 fights before the movie is over, too. It's indeed a bit sad that EVE PvP mechanics turn out to be so actively discouraging casual players that don't have time to hang in front of their PC for hours and hours with nothing better to do.
I still hope that CCP will intrioduce arenas one day, like the tournament stuff but for everyone. It will get players into PvP a lot easier and greatly boost the economy. Even Akita T agrees! |
Halcyon Ingenium
Infomorph Research and Technology
134
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Posted - 2012.01.28 14:06:00 -
[89] - Quote
What is boring is subjective.
State what you mean exactly by boring. Then follow up with an explanation of how EvE pvp meats the necessary and sufficient conditions of what is boring for you.
If you want to hear thoughtful replies, make thoughtful comments. That which always was, and is, and will be everlasting fire, the same for all, the cosmos, made neither by god nor man, replenishes in measure as it burns away. -Heraclitus |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
282
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Posted - 2012.01.28 14:14:00 -
[90] - Quote
Halcyon Ingenium wrote:What is boring is subjective.
State what you mean exactly by boring. Then follow up with an explanation of how EvE pvp meats the necessary and sufficient conditions of what is boring for you.
If you want to hear thoughtful replies, make thoughtful comments.
Yeah. The Forum Whores think boring means 'earns no ISK'.........and that is usually the FIRST fact that is wrong. OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity" |
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Weiland Taur
Ceptic Innovations Rebel Alliance of New Eden
19
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Posted - 2012.01.28 14:33:00 -
[91] - Quote
I have recently dipped my toe (on an alt) into the wild waters of null sec pvp and it has been a mixture of exciting rushes and mind numbing boredom that made ice mining look like a day at the amusement park. When it's happening the group effort and pretty explosions of PVP are awesome but alot of the time the wandering, the chasing, the gate games, (thank the gods we have a fun FC), the inevitable hot drop, etc... add up to several hours of ISK free guard duty that taxes the system. I don't blame them but in my limited experience it seems that many pvp oriented pilots are only in it if they are sure they can win. Sooner or later the bait and mug tactics get really old.
It reminds me that Eve is greater in it's sum than in it's parts.
That said I'm not docking up anytime soon. |
Sara XIII
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
52
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Posted - 2012.01.28 15:35:00 -
[92] - Quote
2bhammered wrote:Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:eve is only as exciting as your initiative and imagination lets it be Which is why D&D and my wetdreams are more fun than eve is?!
I mean, c'mon! That's always gonna be the case
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Large Collidable Object
morons.
1038
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Posted - 2012.01.28 18:49:00 -
[93] - Quote
The problem with eve pvp is that for anyone smarter than a boiled egg, blobfights are boring. Unfortunately, they're the only means to achieve anything in Eve - want to take over a moon or hold some sov? POS-grinding, timers, another bazillion HP to grind here, wait for the timer to finish and the enemy to assemble his blob, or not showing up at all if you have the bigger blob - rinse and repeat...
Small gang pvp is fun, but serves absolutely no purpose in Eve and hence it's an end in itself and there's nothing to gain except killmails and k/d ratios that are considered good. Since there's nothing else to gain but KMs and stats, people are usually extremely risk averse and only engage when they are sure to win.
If there was a purpose for small gang pvp, people would probably risk more (as in "look - my small pvp alliance may have lost more ships than 'Red Clusterswarmlegiondot.' achieving our goal, but we managed to hack their moon-mining arrays and haul of 4 billion worth of tech in doing so..."). morons- sting like a butterfly and-ápost like a bee. |
2bhammered
Perkone Caldari State
20
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Posted - 2012.01.28 19:22:00 -
[94] - Quote
Sicex wrote:The fact that other game communities talk about the brutality of EVE PVP means your point is empty.
... I could even insert the meme: "You're not doing it right," and most EVE players would know what I mean.
Those people never played eve longer than the trial, give me a break. "Brutal" lol best joke of today. |
2bhammered
Perkone Caldari State
20
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Posted - 2012.01.28 19:35:00 -
[95] - Quote
Halcyon Ingenium wrote:What is boring is subjective.
State what you mean exactly by boring. Then follow up with an explanation of how EvE pvp meats the necessary and sufficient conditions of what is boring for you.
If you want to hear thoughtful replies, make thoughtful comments.
Boring is to not do anything, check
boring is to wait around for hours in order to do something, check,
boring is to always have an unfair fight, check,
boring is to never have real risk, check,
boring is watching trans speeds and click f1, f2, f3, check,
boring is to have boring gameplay mechanics for actual ship fighting, check,
boring is to explore and fight in a big galaxy that all looks and acts the same way, check,
boring is to do always do the same thing in a fight, check,
as for 0.0, enter it, take it,fight and fight, mine, pvp, haul and do economics,politics,alliances and deceptions, "win", get bored, rinse repeat.
Both normal game and metagame is boring, metagame more so since it gets old and it is the same game as it was 5 years ago. Except now I can walk around in a studio apartement on any station in 3d and take screenshots... |
2bhammered
Perkone Caldari State
20
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Posted - 2012.01.28 19:49:00 -
[96] - Quote
Weiland Taur wrote: I have recently dipped my toe (on an alt) into the wild waters of null sec pvp and it has been a mixture of exciting rushes and mind numbing boredom that made ice mining look like a day at the amusement park. When it's happening the group effort and pretty explosions of PVP are awesome but alot of the time the wandering, the chasing, the gate games, (thank the gods we have a fun FC), the inevitable hot drop, etc... add up to several hours of ISK free guard duty that taxes the system. I don't blame them but in my limited experience it seems that many pvp oriented pilots are only in it if they are sure they can win. Sooner or later the bait and mug tactics get really old.
It reminds me that Eve is greater in it's sum than in it's parts.
That said I'm not docking up anytime soon.
You hit the nail, I entered PVP as a pirate almost a decade ago and it was very fun, then one day after a very long time of lowsec and ransoming I started as a merc (no more targets got boring also,) had fun for awhile (wait to get hired=worse+politcs) then tried out 0.0 and big fleet fights (mute mic, listen to FC, click f1, f2, or lead and play "car games" to stay awake.) Now all of that is either, boring,old or meanignless, also those moments that were fun was only 5% of playtime, rest was spent on afk, wait, camp, be camped, warp in, warp out, travel time, eft, evemon, forums which all was boring and nothing close to what we fell in love with and got us to buy the game and play it in the first place.
It is like, going to a club, you wanna get laid and you know that once in awhile you do by going there but in reality you spend most of your time bored, waisting money, talk to idiots and get in fights and dance to ****** music. But once in awhile you do it, because you think, maybe tonight I get a one nighter, but in reality you spend less and get more entertainment by just going to the brothel...
In this case eve=nightclub brothel=wow? whatever.
PS: Istill got another 6months ofplaytime thanks to plex so I wont leave, just wont play, changing skill from time to time will have to be it.
Also, cloaking devices=Boooring and just makes eve more boring, might as well reinstate mine fields |
2bhammered
Perkone Caldari State
20
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Posted - 2012.01.28 19:55:00 -
[97] - Quote
Large Collidable Object wrote:The problem with eve pvp is that for anyone smarter than a boiled egg, blobfights are boring. Unfortunately, they're the only means to achieve anything in Eve - want to take over a moon or hold some sov? POS-grinding, timers, another bazillion HP to grind here, wait for the timer to finish and the enemy to assemble his blob, or not showing up at all if you have the bigger blob - rinse and repeat...
Small gang pvp is fun, but serves absolutely no purpose in Eve and hence it's an end in itself and there's nothing to gain except killmails and k/d ratios that are considered good. Since there's nothing else to gain but KMs and stats, people are usually extremely risk averse and only engage when they are sure to win.
If there was a purpose for small gang pvp, people would probably risk more (as in "look - my small pvp alliance may have lost more ships than 'Red Clusterswarmlegiondot.' achieving our goal, but we managed to hack their moon-mining arrays and haul of 4 billion worth of tech in doing so...").
Very insightful and good thought, wow, nice,one of the best posts here
I agree and you could be on to a big reason as to why a big part of eve online PVP is boring. In many ways you just hit the nail, dead on. I figured arena might be nice because KM's and KB's are meaningless and stupid and a ranked ladder systemwould be way more good than that. I have been in so many fights where a fleet will jump 10+ jumps in order to get on a Killmail even though they were not part of the fight, because the KM=results which in turn=gratification even though nothing was achieved and what was gained sucked, a dude killed another dude but you wanna get there to be a part of that guys KM... |
2bhammered
Perkone Caldari State
20
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Posted - 2012.01.28 20:00:00 -
[98] - Quote
Of course such a system would get me to play and enjoy only one part of eve, arena, rest would still be boring and broken in my eyes and arena most likely too unless better balance is implemented etc. Real issues needs to be adressed as a whole on a big scale covering all mechanics of eve. But an arena would be something to do while waiting for CCP to make eve fun, but waiting for CCP takes longer than the wait for a kill so it might be another decade... |
Large Collidable Object
morons.
1040
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Posted - 2012.01.28 21:08:00 -
[99] - Quote
2bhammered wrote:
I agree and you could be on to a big reason as to why a big part of eve online PVP is boring. In many ways you just hit the nail, dead on. I figured arena might be nice because KM's and KB's are meaningless and stupid and a ranked ladder systemwould be way more good than that. I have been in so many fights where a fleet will jump 10+ jumps in order to get on a Killmail even though they were not part of the fight, because the KM=results which in turn=gratification even though nothing was achieved and what was gained sucked, a dude killed another dude but you wanna get there to be a part of that guys KM...
I strongly oppose an Arena system and don't think killmails as such are a problem.
The problem is there is nothing else to gain but a killmail in small scale warfare.
I made a thread a few months ago where I asked people if they could come up with a single reason to go on a small scale roam other than fun and killmails - the thread ended up with 2 pages of replies and each one consisted of people who didn't even read the topics header and said 'because it's fun'.
Nobody could come up with a single ingame objective for small gangs. In a game that describes its setting as a dark, harsh universe filled with competing corporations it's kind of ridiculous that people shoot red crosses in highsec to mindlessly blow each other up in lowsec for no reason.
People always bring up some kind of payout for pvp kills, but that's a terrible idea as well. So we mindlessly shoot each other for no reason and magically, isk spawns in our wallets?
There need to be Objectives such as raidable moon-mining arrays which would also end the giant AFK-Empires that batphone each other once in a year to form a blob should their sov be threatened. morons- sting like a butterfly and-ápost like a bee. |
baltec1
503
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Posted - 2012.01.28 21:23:00 -
[100] - Quote
PvP is only Boring if you make it boring. |
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2bhammered
Perkone Caldari State
21
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Posted - 2012.01.28 21:30:00 -
[101] - Quote
Large Collidable Object wrote:2bhammered wrote:
I agree and you could be on to a big reason as to why a big part of eve online PVP is boring. In many ways you just hit the nail, dead on. I figured arena might be nice because KM's and KB's are meaningless and stupid and a ranked ladder systemwould be way more good than that. I have been in so many fights where a fleet will jump 10+ jumps in order to get on a Killmail even though they were not part of the fight, because the KM=results which in turn=gratification even though nothing was achieved and what was gained sucked, a dude killed another dude but you wanna get there to be a part of that guys KM...
I strongly oppose an Arena system and don't think killmails as such are a problem. The problem is there is nothing else to gain but a killmail in small scale warfare. I made a thread a few months ago where I asked people if they could come up with a single reason to go on a small scale roam other than fun and killmails - the thread ended up with 2 pages of replies and each one consisted of people who didn't even read the topics header and said 'because it's fun'. Nobody could come up with a single ingame objective for small gangs. In a game that describes its setting as a dark, harsh universe filled with competing corporations it's kind of ridiculous that people shoot red crosses in highsec to mindlessly blow each other up in lowsec for no reason. People always bring up some kind of payout for pvp kills, but that's a terrible idea as well. So we mindlessly shoot each other for no reason and magically, isk spawns in our wallets? There need to be Objectives such as raidable moon-mining arrays which would also end the giant AFK-Empires that batphone each other once in a year to form a blob should their sov be threatened.
Maybe also why eve was fun more fun in the begining when few in small ships mattered.
I also think CCP has failed on gamedesign, perhaps arena moba style is not a solution but it would add a lot to the gamein my opinion. EvE is always about the wait it seems to me, wait for that magicalawesome payoff in entertainment, but it never delivers. Only time it delivered for me was when eve launched and people were clueless and I flew around in my rifter attacking someone or getting attacked in lowsec, at a BELT lol and we... good old m0o days etc.
Then we waited for that skill to finish or that ship that would change our experience or that war that in the end was more boring than a round of CS:S.
Wait for alliance tournament to watch? wait for ability to vote for your alliances candidate in the "great" election. WTF am I waiting for? a killboard that says we inflicted more ISK loss than we lost and write an RP essay on the forums claiming victory?? Is that what I got to look forward to in 2012? I had more exciting things to dream of while waiting for that skill to train or expansion/patch back in '04 or something. How does one win a war? you don't get bored and give up=can beat ANYONE in eve online if you just have patience and don't succumb to boredom.
And the way to get there is boring gameplay mechanics. With an arena I would at least be able to log on and fight with friends for a greater reward than a killmail, but you point out the fact it does not fix anything and I agree also the gameplay is STILL boring, so, what does one come upwith to make it more fun?
Hard thing to answer, indeed not easy at all. Perhaps one should first focus on the fact that waiting and less action=less fun and try and combat that and all the other things making PVP boring that islisted in this thread other than the reward of ISK.
So solving it would be to find a reason as to why fight in small gangs? we also need a reason as to why not always avoid a fight we know we wont win before it begins, we also need to make the actual mechanics of space ship combat more fun and action filled, even if one needs strategy,but CS:S has TONS of strategy so does sc2 etc and moba games yet gameplay mechanics are more fun and action filled than this so... thinking wait and trans speeds=strategy is stupid while pressing f1, f2 and f3, hmm use to be more buttons but now passive tanking rule so meh.
Ihave to come and fess up and say, capital ships suck and makes it more boring than fun in EVERY single way. Game was better when a battleship was "the ****" and balancing is just out of wack and gets worse by every ship they add to the game. Especially new ship classes. Cloaking also made things more boring. A game with frigate,cruiser and BS is 10 times easier to balance to and design for than 1million different things.
Still your question remains and I can only answer by saying that the answer is mostlikely made up of several different solutions and not by adding another 1 thing to fight over in the economic battle that is EVE which thanks to PLEX has infinite resources, aka, money does grow on trees.
Also because fights are so ****** and balance outof wack and everything else, KM/KB has less meaning and incentive than a CS:S clan match ever will. When I and many bought the game years ago we were under theimpression that it was the opposite, we wanted more meaning and emotional investment into a game than FPS games offered and for several reasons I have come to the conclusion that BoB's or mine (ascn) or goons or RA or whatever alliances accomplishments mattered less than my CS:S team and it costed more both in money and time investment than that I put into CS:S.
So what would think change by your gameplay mechanic on the scale of all of eve and how do you change the other stuff or deal with the implications? I would start by removing capital ships perhaps. |
2bhammered
Perkone Caldari State
21
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Posted - 2012.01.28 21:44:00 -
[102] - Quote
I think I could even argue that all accomplishments in WoW have more meaning and gratification and rewards than anything eve offers even when it comes to PVP. Leveling in this game is something a monkey can do, earning lots of ISK is easier than lots of gold timewise etc. Gear is better with again, more rewarding than any gear in eve offers, arena ranking takes more skill and gives more gratification + less invested time than any form of eve PVP has to offer (with possibleexception of once a year event of alliance tournament but I argue that even here WoW arena beats EVE.) Eve beats WOW in world pvp I guess, and ehm, more business savy people in eve than in wow and mining in eve can be done while being AFK...
Also in EVE one can become a master thief/scammer/scumbag and be hated more than anyone in WoW. |
Skywalker
MAFIA Pirate Coalition
11
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Posted - 2012.01.28 21:55:00 -
[103] - Quote
It's not boring...
The catch is better then the prey |
Ptraci
StoneWall Metals Productions Bloodbound.
315
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Posted - 2012.01.28 22:04:00 -
[104] - Quote
Marlona Sky wrote:Remove local. Embrace the unknown.
Yup. Have fun scanning... every ...f-cking ...system ...all the time. You won't be playing EVE anymore, you'll be playing Scan Probe online. Miners will have an advantage because all they need is to post cloaky scouts on the gates - so they will see you coming long before you even know they're there. PVP will be restricted to station and gate camping only. That what you want? |
2bhammered
Perkone Caldari State
21
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Posted - 2012.01.28 22:06:00 -
[105] - Quote
Ptraci wrote:Marlona Sky wrote:Remove local. Embrace the unknown. Yup. Have fun scanning... every ...f-cking ...system ...all the time. You won't be playing EVE anymore, you'll be playing Scan Probe online. Miners will have an advantage because all they need is to post cloaky scouts on the gates - so they will see you coming long before you even know they there. PVP will be restricted to station and gate camping only. That what you want?
remove cloaks solves both those problems. |
Ptraci
StoneWall Metals Productions Bloodbound.
316
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Posted - 2012.01.28 22:12:00 -
[106] - Quote
2bhammered wrote:
remove cloaks solves both those problems.
Dream on. There are entire ship classes designed around the ability to cloak. While the cloak might be modified somewhat according to the CSM notes to deal with the ever-present AFK cloakers, cloaks are here to stay.
Edit: Also even if cloaks were gotten rid of, there's nothing stopping me from posting a trial account alt in a rookie ship on the gate. When the alt gets pwned, the miners log off. So removing local is still a silly idea that won't help increase PVP at all. Quite the opposite since now instead of running away from each other, people just won't be able to find each other. |
Large Collidable Object
morons.
1042
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Posted - 2012.01.28 22:19:00 -
[107] - Quote
2bhammered wrote: So solving it would be to find a reason as to why fight in small gangs? we also need a reason as to why not always avoid a fight we know we wont win before it begins, we also need to make the actual mechanics of space ship combat more fun and action filled, even if one needs strategy,but CS:S has TONS of strategy so does sc2 etc and moba games yet gameplay mechanics are more fun and action filled than this so... thinking wait and trans speeds=strategy is stupid while pressing f1, f2 and f3, hmm use to be more buttons but now passive tanking rule so meh.
I think small scale pvp has great mechanics and involves quite some strategy - admittedly, when being the FC even blobs have. I've always viewed Eve as a space RTS like Homeworld, yet everyone only plays as many units as his multiboxing abilities allow. Maybe that's why I wonder why people are aimlessly sending expensive 'units' around without any objective.
Quote:Also because fights are so ****** and balance outof wack and everything else, KM/KB has less meaning and incentive than a CS:S clan match ever will. When I and many bought the game years ago we were under theimpression that it was the opposite, we wanted more meaning and emotional investment into a game than FPS games offered and for several reasons I have come to the conclusion that BoB's or mine (ascn) or goons or RA or whatever alliances accomplishments mattered less than my CS:S team and it costed more both in money and time investment than that I put into CS:S.
It depends on how much things matter to you - back in the days, I used to play Quakeworld and I would get totally pumped for clan matches. Then I became to old and slow, didn't enjoy the slower FPS, graduated, got a job ending up with less spare-time and started playing eve for the afk training and 'meaningful deaths' . To this day, I must admit that no single game got my adrenaline pumping as Eve has. I also must admit that when I was in CH until about 3-4 years ago, there were times I was totally addicted to killmails and I would go to work completely deprived of sleep because I just had to get kills the night before. Eventually I took a break and then I came back and started to ask 'why?' I keep joining alliances from time to time, but always end up with the fact that pvp either involves a blob (which I hate) or serves no purpose but PvP itself. You're obviously a tad more of a bittervet than I am in regards to the fact that I would still enjoy small gang pvp mechanics - I only have issues with the fact that there's no single strategic goal for it.
Quote: So what would think change by your gameplay mechanic on the scale of all of eve and how do you change the other stuff or deal with the implications? I would start by removing capital ships perhaps.
As I said - all Eve needs is goals for small gangs - stealing stuff from others is so much fun and whilst eve promotes that on a metagaming level, the ingame mechanics to steal anything of value without infiltrating an alliance are rather limited (meh - canflipping). Think of something akin to viking raids into enemy territory. I don't think eve needs much more as a first step. Alliances would depend on keeping their space populated or they would get robbed blind and vanish.
The only other problem is the fact that whilst Eve doesn't promote bigger=better (which is good), it heavily promotes bigger numbers=better. There should be a few advantages of fielding less people, like e.g. better mobility.
Of course a bigger number of comparable ships should beat fewer when it comes to an actual fight, but there should be a tactical advantage of bringing fewer ships too. However, that's hard to accomplish in a manner that doesn't get exploited - longer lock time with increasing number of hostile locks, stacking penalities on RR and DPS, spool timers on gates, speed penalties for bigger fleets etc... - I've read them all, but pretty much all of them are easily evaded or exploited. morons- sting like a butterfly and-ápost like a bee. |
Weiland Taur
Ceptic Innovations Rebel Alliance of New Eden
21
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Posted - 2012.01.28 22:23:00 -
[108] - Quote
Ptraci wrote:[quote=2bhammered]
remove cloaks solves both those problems.
Outside of WH's cloaks aren't that big of a deal. In Sov space as soon a cloaky comes in everyone is aware of it and acts accordingly. I can't remember a time we stopped doing what we were doing because we had a peeping tom. The effect of the AFK cloaker is greatly exaggerated. I imagine it's more fun for the closet roleplayers who sit giggling thinking they have pos'd up everyone and now only need to stare intently to make us log off and wander over to World of Tanks.
Per pvp, I think it would be great if you could target specific modules/areas of a ship and if their was more of a chance of returning from a fight crippled but still in the same hull. Many times the undock, shoot, blow up, reship cycle makes the entire thing seem to lack a certain, purpose other than keeping the waters of that specific ISK sink flowing. That might be a bit romantic however and not practicable in a game play sense. |
met worst
The Drongo Club
115
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Posted - 2012.01.28 22:29:00 -
[109] - Quote
Ptraci wrote:Marlona Sky wrote:Remove local. Embrace the unknown. Yup. Have fun scanning... every ...f-cking ...system ...all the time. You won't be playing EVE anymore, you'll be playing Scan Probe online. Miners will have an advantage because all they need is to post cloaky scouts on the gates - so they will see you coming long before you even know they're there. PVP will be restricted to station and gate camping only. That what you want? Remove local but give me a specialised ship with sweep radar that gives me range, bearing and azimuth to n au. Maybe even throw in a nice audible ping (only heard with an installed mod on a specialised ship) for the residents and they can hunt each other down.
Options: Anoms/Sigs/Belts distort the ping so you can't hear it. (kills off bots - even if they heard it, can a botscript detect sound?) Station mod detects ping and broadcasts audible sig to all blue. Range needs to improve to affect a stronger signal to get a lock. On lock, throw in a bubble probe that hones in on target and deploys on contact.
I could go on. I'm getting excited just thinkin' about it.
Gotta be better than docking/logging/safeing as soon as local wobbles a bit. |
2bhammered
Perkone Caldari State
22
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Posted - 2012.01.28 22:35:00 -
[110] - Quote
Weiland Taur wrote:Ptraci wrote:[quote=2bhammered]
remove cloaks solves both those problems. Outside of WH's cloaks aren't that big of a deal. In Sov space as soon a cloaky comes in everyone is aware of it and acts accordingly. I can't remember a time we stopped doing what we were doing because we had a peeping tom. The effect of the AFK cloaker is greatly exaggerated. I imagine it's more fun for the closet roleplayers who sit giggling thinking they have pos'd up everyone and now only need to stare intently to make us log off and wander over to World of Tanks. Per pvp, I think it would be great if you could target specific modules/areas of a ship and if their was more of a chance of returning from a fight crippled but still in the same hull. Many times the undock, shoot, blow up, reship cycle makes the entire thing seem to lack a certain, purpose other than keeping the waters of that specific ISK sink flowing. That might be a bit romantic however and not practicable in a game play sense.
I answered to cloaked scouts, as in defending/scouting gates not offensive or afk stealthers.
I do agree that specific targeting might be nice, but I rather go more simplistic for finding fun than go more complicated that CCP has over the last 5-6 years making the game less fun to me. What is needed to be found is a goodsimple core element that makes this game fun to begin with, then perhaps add depth?! |
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Lyrrashae
Crushed Ambitions Reckless Ambition
182
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Posted - 2012.01.28 22:44:00 -
[111] - Quote
2bhammered wrote:Ptraci wrote:Marlona Sky wrote:Remove local. Embrace the unknown. Yup. Have fun scanning... every ...f-cking ...system ...all the time. You won't be playing EVE anymore, you'll be playing Scan Probe online. Miners will have an advantage because all they need is to post cloaky scouts on the gates - so they will see you coming long before you even know they there. PVP will be restricted to station and gate camping only. That what you want? remove fixed system-entry/exit-points solves both those problems.
Fixed.
Think of me as the Jester to your King Lear: Because annoying you is more fun than politicking with you. Because your predictable outrage makes you even more fun to play with. Because forum PvP = best PvP. Come to me, little puppet! |
2bhammered
Perkone Caldari State
23
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Posted - 2012.01.28 23:01:00 -
[112] - Quote
Lyrrashae wrote:2bhammered wrote:Ptraci wrote:Marlona Sky wrote:Remove local. Embrace the unknown. Yup. Have fun scanning... every ...f-cking ...system ...all the time. You won't be playing EVE anymore, you'll be playing Scan Probe online. Miners will have an advantage because all they need is to post cloaky scouts on the gates - so they will see you coming long before you even know they there. PVP will be restricted to station and gate camping only. That what you want? remove fixed system-entry/exit-points solves both those problems. Fixed.
I like it |
Marlona Sky
EntroPrelatial Vanguard EntroPraetorian Aegis
407
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Posted - 2012.01.28 23:44:00 -
[113] - Quote
Ptraci wrote:Marlona Sky wrote:Remove local. Embrace the unknown. Yup. Have fun scanning... every ...f-cking ...system ...all the time. You won't be playing EVE anymore, you'll be playing Scan Probe online. Miners will have an advantage because all they need is to post cloaky scouts on the gates - so they will see you coming long before you even know they're there. PVP will be restricted to station and gate camping only. That what you want?
Which is why the scanner needs a total and complete overhaul at the same time. I have mentioned this what feels like, one thousand ******* times.
Something still tells me you will ***** anyways without having your instant intel so you can be safe 100% of the time regardless. It is pathetic scum like you that keeps this game stagnant and boring.
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Ptraci
StoneWall Metals Productions Bloodbound.
316
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Posted - 2012.01.28 23:57:00 -
[114] - Quote
Marlona Sky wrote:
Something still tells me you will ***** anyways without having your instant intel so you can be safe 100% of the time regardless.
Er, I invite you to look me up on killboards if you think I like being safe all the time.
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RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion
1314
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Posted - 2012.01.29 01:03:00 -
[115] - Quote
met worst wrote:Ptraci wrote:Marlona Sky wrote:Remove local. Embrace the unknown. Yup. Have fun scanning... every ...f-cking ...system ...all the time. You won't be playing EVE anymore, you'll be playing Scan Probe online. Miners will have an advantage because all they need is to post cloaky scouts on the gates - so they will see you coming long before you even know they're there. PVP will be restricted to station and gate camping only. That what you want? Remove local but give me a specialised ship with sweep radar that gives me range, bearing and azimuth to n au. Maybe even throw in a nice audible ping (only heard with an installed mod on a specialised ship) for the residents and they can hunt each other down. Options: Anoms/Sigs/Belts distort the ping so you can't hear it. (kills off bots - even if they heard it, can a botscript detect sound?) Station mod detects ping and broadcasts audible sig to all blue. Range needs to improve to affect a stronger signal to get a lock. On lock, throw in a bubble probe that hones in on target and deploys on contact. I could go on. I'm getting excited just thinkin' about it. Gotta be better than docking/logging/safeing as soon as local wobbles a bit.
So local-level intel, but only for the invaders? Single-Shard, Player Driven Sandbox.
5 words. That's what makes it special in my eyes. |
Teowulff Odinson
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
31
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Posted - 2012.01.29 01:07:00 -
[116] - Quote
Large Collidable Object wrote: The problem is there is nothing else to gain but a killmail in small scale warfare.
I made a thread a few months ago where I asked people if they could come up with a single reason to go on a small scale roam other than fun and killmails - the thread ended up with 2 pages of replies and each one consisted of people who didn't even read the topics header and said 'because it's fun'.
There need to be Objectives such as raidable moon-mining arrays which would also end the giant AFK-Empires that batphone each other once in a year to form a blob should their sov be threatened.
I completely agree. I also proposed things like stealing from moon goo harvesters, attacking empty stations, the option to make hidden bases in nulsec. Perhaps even small areas of pirate faction controlled lowsec with neutral stations in between where you can have small trade hubs where people can sell stolen goods from raids and buy new ships and ammo if necessary. So you don't have to travel all the way back to highsec without cyno alts and jump drives.
That would make it a lot more exciting and give small gangs and even solo pilots and incentive a reason to go to nulsec. A little more space for real pirates among the suburban gang like nullbear alliances. |
2bhammered
Perkone Caldari State
27
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Posted - 2012.01.29 21:58:00 -
[117] - Quote
Teowulff Odinson wrote:Large Collidable Object wrote: The problem is there is nothing else to gain but a killmail in small scale warfare.
I made a thread a few months ago where I asked people if they could come up with a single reason to go on a small scale roam other than fun and killmails - the thread ended up with 2 pages of replies and each one consisted of people who didn't even read the topics header and said 'because it's fun'.
There need to be Objectives such as raidable moon-mining arrays which would also end the giant AFK-Empires that batphone each other once in a year to form a blob should their sov be threatened.
I completely agree. I also proposed things like stealing from moon goo harvesters, attacking empty stations, the option to make hidden bases in nulsec. Perhaps even small areas of pirate faction controlled lowsec with neutral stations in between where you can have small trade hubs where people can sell stolen goods from raids and buy new ships and ammo if necessary. So you don't have to travel all the way back to highsec without cyno alts and jump drives. That would make it a lot more exciting and give small gangs and even solo pilots and incentive/ reason to go to nulsec. A little more space for real pirates among the suburban gang like nullbear alliances.
Those are good ideas.
So true about the batphone |
Pavel Bidermann
Aliastra Gallente Federation
84
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Posted - 2012.01.30 04:01:00 -
[118] - Quote
Actually PvP is really boring in EVE. Sure, theres a brief moment where it seems okay, but its boring overall. the mechanics are okay, when they're actually working. Null is just crap because of how the players use it tbh.
I had more fun running gate camps in high and low sec than I did in null. Not much really going on in null. I don't know what happened.
I think the community broke during the summer of rage. Several people brought that up at the time and there was concern that it wouldn't heal. it doesn't seem to be getting better. Not at all. Sad really since it was a very active community at the time. Its all divided and entrenched now.
Maybe the PvP is still the same but the game itself isn't fun anymore. It was debatably fun before so there wasn't a lot of wiggle room to begin with. |
NaturalBeast
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
18
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Posted - 2012.01.30 04:05:00 -
[119] - Quote
Because hitting F1 sucks? |
Astrid Stjerna
Teraa Matar
450
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Posted - 2012.01.30 07:47:00 -
[120] - Quote
I don't find PvP boring at all, or at least I don't find fleet PvP boring.
It has a large part to do with who I'm flying with -- my corp and I tend to exchange jokes and stories when we're not actively flying from place-to-place. Also, waiting for someone to fly in and shoot at us can be tedious, but it's always balanced by the adrenaline rush I get as I see my shield meter creep upward when I finally engage.
I find solo PvP boring, simply because I have nobody to talk to and it's entirely likely that I'll get my head handed to me. At least in a fleet, my friends sympathize with the loss most of the time. ((Please note:-áAt times, my characters-ámay be a-holes, but-áI am most certainly not.-áWhat they say IC has no bearing on my OOC opinions or behaviors, and I apologize in advance if you are offended OOC by anything I might say or do-áIC.)) |
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Zytani
The Motley Crew Reborn
0
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Posted - 2012.01.30 16:02:00 -
[121] - Quote
i think sansha should be a playable race.... imagine the fun one could have if incursions were players vs other players rather than predictable npcs |
Klezmer
In Praise Of Shadows
4
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Posted - 2012.01.30 16:25:00 -
[122] - Quote
Remove cowards (blobbers and alt posters alike) and you have fixed PVP in EvE. Good luck with that. |
Pavel Bidermann
Aliastra Gallente Federation
84
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Posted - 2012.01.30 17:54:00 -
[123] - Quote
Zytani wrote:i think sansha should be a playable race.... imagine the fun one could have if incursions were players vs other players rather than predictable npcs
Not only that, but the Sansha ships should be able to grapple like in the big battle scene at the end of the Firefly movie, Serenity. You could make some pretty cool game mechanics for that.
both grappled and grappler ships at 0 velocity to each other, but too high a velocity for an aimed shot from other ships. Grapple too much mass and hook rips from hull causing some hull damage. Grappler can detonate a chrge to release cable without dameage to either ship. Tracking is 0 speed for both. Probably suicide for the grappler, unless done correctly. basic Sancha gapple module has one charge, t2 has 3. Lines diconnect when one or both ships destroyed. grappled ship can not warp. The dance of death. no ships bigger than cruisers can grapple.
WOOT!!!!!!! |
Pavel Bidermann
Aliastra Gallente Federation
84
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Posted - 2012.01.30 18:02:00 -
[124] - Quote
Astrid Stjerna wrote:I don't find PvP boring at all, or at least I don't find fleet PvP boring.
It has a large part to do with who I'm flying with -- my corp and I tend to exchange jokes and stories when we're not actively flying from place-to-place. Also, waiting for someone to fly in and shoot at us can be tedious, but it's always balanced by the adrenaline rush I get as I see my shield meter creep upward when I finally engage.
I find solo PvP boring, simply because I have nobody to talk to and it's entirely likely that I'll get my head handed to me. At least in a fleet, my friends sympathize with the loss most of the time.
That's what i mean when I was talking about the community as a whole. EVE is a socially driven game. Even if you aren't directly chatting with other pilots, you still interact via markets and such. If indeed the community is damaged then the game is greatly damaged.
I can't think of any way to turn the community around to being on the "EVE Team" instead of just hating every other group for no reason other than being different. The community itself would have to do that.
I have 3 teenagers and an XBox 360 in the family room. I don't see much difference betwen their online community and EVE's online community any more. Overall, they're equally bad these days. |
wallenbergaren
University of Caille Gallente Federation
16
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Posted - 2012.01.30 18:20:00 -
[125] - Quote
Flying with people who are awesome? -Check Fighting outnumbered? -Check Having a blast? -Check
I think playing with a good group of people is the most important thing to enjoying yourself, and second to that is setting good goals for yourself. Come up with a plan for something, not just "roam syndicate for 2 hours" and commit to it. Succeed or fail you'll probably have fun either way. |
Glarealot
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.01.30 18:23:00 -
[126] - Quote
Klezmer wrote:Remove cowards (blobbers and alt posters alike) and you have fixed PVP in EvE. Good luck with that.
Bubbles without blobs OR blobs without bubbles/tackles would fix PvP.
So yea, pretty much removing blobs would fix PvP.
No way to make that happen shy of the players themselves doing that, but most suck too much to not hide behind numbers so I guarantee you that day will never come. |
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
282
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Posted - 2012.01.30 18:25:00 -
[127] - Quote
PVP is boring because nobody seems to want to fight a faction BS fleet supported by more logistics than there are combat ships even though the numbers are even. |
Lyron-Baktos
Selective Pressure Rote Kapelle
37
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Posted - 2012.01.30 18:29:00 -
[128] - Quote
we did about a 60 jump roam over the weekend and never found a fight. After about 30 jumps in, it did become boring and tedious. Luckily, this instance rarely happens On holiday. -áIn some other world. Where the music of the radio was a labyrinth of sonorous colours. To a bright centre of absolute convicton. -áWhere the dripping patchouli was more than scent. -á It was a sun |
Klezmer
In Praise Of Shadows
6
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Posted - 2012.01.30 18:40:00 -
[129] - Quote
Glarealot wrote:Klezmer wrote:Remove cowards (blobbers and alt posters alike) and you have fixed PVP in EvE. Good luck with that. Bubbles without blobs OR blobs without bubbles/tackles would fix PvP. So yea, pretty much removing blobs would fix PvP. No way to make that happen shy of the players themselves doing that, but most suck too much to not hide behind numbers so I guarantee you that day will never come. This is what I was getting at, agreed. |
Pavel Bidermann
Aliastra Gallente Federation
84
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Posted - 2012.01.30 19:35:00 -
[130] - Quote
Vimsy Vortis wrote:PVP is boring because nobody seems to want to fight a faction BS fleet supported by more logistics than there are combat ships even though the numbers are even.
I know! weird,right? |
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Darthewok
Perkone Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.01.30 21:26:00 -
[131] - Quote
Actually people do not realize enough the real trend making PVP more boring:
PVP is getting much much much more expensive! Leading to much less PVP and more cautious boring PVP.
The standard ships in PVP are moving from T1 to T2 to Faction/Pirate to T3 ships, to Officer mods, and expensive implants.
Just think about it: Stabber 3 mil Vagabond 100mil+ 30000% jump in price! Cynabal 200mil+ Loki 600mil+
Constant rate of increase is bad enough, but this is exponential runaway inflation in costs. We are talking 20000%, 60000% price jumps here!
However, has CCP stopped to think what this runaway inflation does to PVP? It puts it out of the reach of the average player and those who PVP do so less frequently and more cautiously, leading to boredom. Leading to people leaving the game due to this boredom.
I am all for technological advances in ships, but the market/production price mechanism is somehow too sticky upwards. Sure, add new ships to the game, then make them more affordable at a faster rate.
Why are blobs getting more blobby? Why are FCs getting more cautious and hot-dropping even frigates? Why are 1v1s and somewhat even fights less and less common? It isn't due to any change in human nature or player dynamics. It is directly because of the rising ISK stakes. |
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
282
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Posted - 2012.01.30 22:17:00 -
[132] - Quote
Pavel Bidermann wrote:Vimsy Vortis wrote:PVP is boring because nobody seems to want to fight a faction BS fleet supported by more logistics than there are combat ships even though the numbers are even. I know! weird,right? IDK what their problem is |
Ehn Roh
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
15
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Posted - 2012.01.30 22:18:00 -
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2bhammered wrote:Why is PVP boring PS: This is not a troll
#1. Simplified, bizarre, and unimaginative electronic warfare and sensor mechanics.
That's probably the biggest thing right there, with effects on virtually everything PvP related, and requiring all sorts of other odd mechanics to try to fudge things. Whoever came up with this stuff doesn't seem to understand how sensor technologies scale and their application on large and small platforms.
#2, somewhat related, is the idea that you would have a giant battleship with virtually no provision for smaller guns. Anyone in their right mind in the EVE universe would build a BS, BC, or Cruiser with space to mount extra smaller class weapons. Nobody builds a ship with a half dozen giant weapons and nothing else. Look at the new battlecruisers - their design weakness is simply silly. "Hey, let's make a ship vulnerable to frigates that doesn't mount any weapons good at shooting at them. Brilliant!" That's almost a good one as "let's build a huge, monstrously expensive state of the art BS that has horrid targeting capabilities compared to a garbage truck!"
And before you start carrying on about balance - the only reason this would cause problems is because of point #1 up there. Smaller ships should still enjoy the benefit of speed, low cost, and low observability when put against larger ships, while the larger ships have more guns, more tank, much more powerful sensors, at the cost of being 'bomb magnets'. "Rock, paper, scissors" isn't good design, it's just a sign of laziness.
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2bhammered
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.01.31 02:37:00 -
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NaturalBeast wrote:Because hitting F1 sucks?
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2bhammered
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.01.31 02:41:00 -
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wallenbergaren wrote:Flying with people who are awesome? -Check Fighting outnumbered? -Check Having a blast? -Check
I think playing with a good group of people is the most important thing to enjoying yourself, and second to that is setting good goals for yourself. Come up with a plan for something, not just "roam syndicate for 2 hours" and commit to it. Succeed or fail you'll probably have fun either way.
I have done my goals and no goals todays is appealing.. everything is kinda lame or meaningless and while doing it, it is boring. |
2bhammered
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.01.31 02:44:00 -
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Lyron-Baktos wrote:we did about a 60 jump roam over the weekend and never found a fight. After about 30 jumps in, it did become boring and tedious. Luckily, this instance rarely happens
Name another game or even activity where you spend an entire weekend, paying for it, and you get nothing in return? I can't think of anything, only in EVE can I end up spending hours after hours bored. |
2bhammered
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.01.31 02:46:00 -
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Darthewok wrote:Actually people do not realize enough the real trend making PVP more boring:
PVP is getting MUCH more expensive! Leading to much less PVP and more cautious boring PVP. The standard ships in PVP are moving from T1 to T2 to Faction/Pirate to T3 ships, to Officer mods, and expensive implants.
Just think about it: Stabber 3 mil Vagabond 100mil+ 30000% jump in price! Cynabal 200mil+ Loki 600mil+
Constant rate of increase is bad enough, but this is exponential runaway inflation in costs. We are talking 20000%, 60000% price jumps here! Whereas previously, you can earn the cost of your ship loss in a few hours, now it takes days, weeks or months to replace your ship. And you even lose skills if it is a T3!
Giving the much higher ISK costs of losing, of course blobs are getting more blobby. 2v1 becomes 10v1 becomes 100v1 becomes hot-dropping in capitals to kill frigates. Of course people undock less and avoid fights and FCs are reluctant to risk their hugely expensive fleets in anything but absolutely guaranteed victories.
Good point and argument, costs have increased as have tier and tech of the ships people fly and implants etc. You also got riggs now and combat boosters and more. Very good point. |
2bhammered
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Posted - 2012.01.31 02:54:00 -
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Ehn Roh wrote:2bhammered wrote:Why is PVP boring PS: This is not a troll #1. Simplified, bizarre, and unimaginative electronic warfare and sensor mechanics. That's probably the biggest thing right there, with effects on virtually everything PvP related, and requiring all sorts of other odd mechanics to try to fudge things. Whoever came up with this stuff doesn't seem to understand how sensor technologies scale and their application on large and small platforms. #2, somewhat related, is the idea that you would have a giant battleship with virtually no provision for smaller guns. Anyone in their right mind in the EVE universe would build a BS, BC, or Cruiser with space to mount extra smaller class weapons. Nobody builds a ship with a half dozen giant weapons and nothing else. Look at the new battlecruisers - their design weakness is simply silly. "Hey, let's make a ship vulnerable to frigates that doesn't mount any weapons good at shooting at them. Brilliant!" That's almost a good one as "let's build a huge, monstrously expensive state of the art BS that has horrid targeting capabilities compared to a garbage truck!" And before you start carrying on about balance - the only reason this would cause problems is because of point #1 up there. Smaller ships should still enjoy the benefit of speed, low cost, and low observability when put against larger ships, while the larger ships have more guns, more tank, much more powerful sensors, at the cost of being 'bomb magnets'. "Rock, paper, scissors" isn't good design, it's just a sign of laziness.
Good and valid points and maybe that is a big reason why I think eve online today is boring compared to 5/6 years ago. It also seem to get worse.
On many levels I feel like I have "finished" eve and if this was a game without a subscription etc I would have quit long ago and said thanks, call me when EVE 2 comes out, but because it is an MMO is just drags on and waste my time, your time and CCP's time when instead they should move on or make a sequel. |
Ptraci
StoneWall Metals Productions Bloodbound.
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Posted - 2012.01.31 11:15:00 -
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Darthewok wrote:
[b]PVP is getting MUCH more expensive!
Ridiculous. It's just numbers. That's the thing about inflation - yeah the prices are going up, but this is happening because isk is easier to come by. Of course if all you've done is save your money, don't have access to the new forms of income, and are trying to buy ships with your savings or level 4 mission income then yeah - you're screwed. But if you know how to make ISK, and know how to make even MORE isk using the different income streams available nowadays, then prices are still relatively the same and ships can be bought a-plenty.
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Tierere
The Corporation of Noble Sentiments Sleeper Social Club
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Jojo Jackson wrote:big fleets: Zoom camara as far as posible out and play C64 red dots against blue dots. Warp at 10/30/50/200 km, lock red dot, press 1 small fleets: Hang around station or pos or gate for hours doing nothing but WAIT.
No taktical movement to use the areal for cover (you can even shot through asteroids, planets and stations). It's not even posible to use a big ship as cover for small ships as you just shout through.
Can you imagin how cool it would be to hide your frig+cruiser fleet behind a super-tanked mothership just to let them swarm out at the right moment and engage?
Except save-point hunting there is sooooo much space which is never used for fighting. It all happens close to some bigger strukture. No hunting around hills using small or hidden pathes with your frig to excape the big ships.
Just transversale or range as only "tacticel" movement.
That's why PvP in EvE is boring.
Thanks that put's it well, so much more should be done but the underlying mechanic is very limiting. The 'balancing' of ships and mods to make pvp more completive is just a distraction from the underlying ills. The point and click system, with the basic navigation of approach and orbit for example show how basic the structure actually is. They have done well with that system but honestly it feels a bit old now no matter how shinny they make the ships. I'm interested to see how dust works as a mmofps that might be more of a model for future engines. However there are other games out there and more being developed so if eve does not change it's life span will be limited.
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Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.04.23 00:32:00 -
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2bhammered wrote:Why is PVP boring
Probably because you don't do it.
Forming opinions on something you have never experienced properly sure seems like the mark of a capable mind! TEST Alliance BEST Alliance |
Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.04.23 00:34:00 -
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2bhammered wrote:Lyron-Baktos wrote:we did about a 60 jump roam over the weekend and never found a fight. After about 30 jumps in, it did become boring and tedious. Luckily, this instance rarely happens Name another game or even activity where you spend an entire weekend, paying for it, and you get nothing in return? I can't think of anything, only in EVE can I end up spending hours after hours bored.
Literally any MMO. TEST Alliance BEST Alliance |
Shaampoo
Epidemic. F0RCEFUL ENTRY
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Posted - 2012.04.23 01:00:00 -
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2bhammered wrote:Why is PVP boring Thoughts please... PS: This is not a troll Only boring if you don't have to Jam your door shot because you AAA sponsor heard your drinking again |
Nick Bison
Bison Industrial Inc Thundering Herd
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Posted - 2012.04.23 01:04:00 -
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Let's leave blobs out of the equation. Small gang ( <30) PvP is very exciting however, I would say that a good number of the FC's leading these are experienced enough that they have their scouts out and can determine their odds ahead of time. Choosing to not get sucked into a battle that is too one sided. (Except RvB 'cuse those guys are just nutts! )
Anyway, that's just a thought.
Nothing clever at this time. |
Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
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Posted - 2012.04.23 01:08:00 -
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Because of gates
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Ocih
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
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Posted - 2012.04.23 01:10:00 -
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For much the same reason PvE would get boring after a while. If all you do is PvP it will get old in time. I've never been able to distinguish between killmail farming and farming any of the PvE to be honest. Not after it was done 5 or 6 times. |
Fredfredbug4
Kings of Kill EVE Animal Control
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Posted - 2012.04.23 01:28:00 -
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I don't find actual PVP boring, but I find the process leading up to the PVP very boring. Often you will roam with your group, or by yourself for an hour or two before you even find a decent fight, let alone actually start fighting in a way where you have the advantage. |
Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.04.23 02:42:00 -
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Akirei Scytale wrote:2bhammered wrote:Lyron-Baktos wrote:we did about a 60 jump roam over the weekend and never found a fight. After about 30 jumps in, it did become boring and tedious. Luckily, this instance rarely happens Name another game or even activity where you spend an entire weekend, paying for it, and you get nothing in return? I can't think of anything, only in EVE can I end up spending hours after hours bored. Literally any MMO.
Why are you here then? Its a question I always want to ask ppl that talk about how much MMOs suck ON MMO forums https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1109909#post1109909
My stance on WiS (updated) |
Dr Silkworth
Two Geezers in Space
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Posted - 2012.04.23 03:09:00 -
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In honest response to OP:
shopping, transporting and fitting. I'd rather go to the brassier department at walmart, you know the one with the gross mumus and chinese underwear designs?
Has nothing to do with ISK or mining or missioning for it. or anything like that. Once the eft warrioring is done, then I have to go to that damn walmart trading and fitting and industrial transport interface and 20 second aligns and you know, all the crap that goes with that part of the scene. |
Typherian
Legio Invicta Many Reckless Corps
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Posted - 2012.04.23 03:14:00 -
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I would just like to throw out there that maybe PvP is boring for the OP because his corp/alliance was terrible at it back when I was actually paying attention to eve. Blueing everyone they could find lead to Blobs blobs and continued blobs or whelping poorly fit ships and then raging and hotdropping Rote Kapelle. PvP is a blast when you go out in small numbers with some buds and kill people. Once you turn it into a numbers game it becomes less fun and more math. Math sucks |
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T' Elk
The Drunken Empire Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2012.04.23 04:04:00 -
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Darthewok wrote:Actually people do not realize enough the real trend making PVP more boring:
PVP is getting MUCH more expensive! Leading to much less PVP and more cautious boring PVP. The standard ships in PVP are moving from T1 to T2 to Faction/Pirate to T3 ships, to Officer mods, and expensive implants.
Just think about it: Stabber 3 mil Vagabond 100mil+ 30000% jump in price! Cynabal 200mil+ Loki 600mil+
Constant rate of increase is bad enough, but this is exponential runaway inflation in costs. We are talking 20000%, 60000% price jumps here! Whereas previously, you can earn the cost of your ship loss in a few hours, now it takes days, weeks or months to replace your ship. And you even lose skills if it is a T3!
Giving the much higher ISK costs of losing, of course blobs are getting more blobby. 2v1 becomes 10v1 becomes 100v1 becomes hot-dropping in capitals to kill frigates. Of course people undock less and avoid fights and FCs are reluctant to risk their hugely expensive fleets in anything but absolutely guaranteed victories. 1. Most slightly competent corps and alliances have ship replacement plans, so you should lose little to no actual isk. You're probably just worried about how your kb looks. If it's taking you days to replace the loss of a pvp ship, maybe you should downgrade to ships you can afford to lose on a daily basis.
2. Yeah, you can lose skills in a t3. You'll usually only lose some subsystem skill sp, but an easy way to not have to worry is to just eject right before you pop.
3. Sure your fc should be cautious about welping you into a fleet that vastly outnumbers yours, but you need to be willing to take a risk. You're going to lose fleets, you're going to decimate. It's part of fcing.
~Badposter since FOOOOREEEEEVAAAAAR~ // Inferno is coming // The Beard is Back, Ladies and Gents! |
XIRUSPHERE
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.04.23 04:25:00 -
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Because you have an entitlement problem. You want all the thrills with none of the effort, you also make bold assumptions but seem to just be lazy.
Plenty of PVP is out there to be had, plenty of entertaining PVP. It's not anyone's job but your own to do some research and find a few systems that look like they might pan out, open up that star map and look for activity, plan a roam out into unfamiliar territory and take some chances.
Blobs don't always happen but everyone is so frightened by the concept or chance of it they defeat themselves before they even undock, even if there is a blob who says you can't make it work for you.
Part of the thrill is the hunt, the unexpected, often the best of PVP is when you throw yourself head first into a situation you have relegated to failure but emerge the victor through a roll of the dice or a margin as narrow as a hair.
If you can't stand the hunt then go to a target rich environment and out think your prey, out position, out fly. Trick them, trap them, deceive them do whatever it takes.
None of this matters when you won't even try, why even have an opinion when your own opinion has already defeated yourself. The advantage of a bad memory is that one can enjoy the same good things for the first time several times.
One will rarely err if extreme actions be ascribed to vanity, ordinary actions to habit, and mean actions to fear. |
Peter Raptor
Plutonian Army
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Posted - 2012.04.23 07:14:00 -
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2bhammered wrote:Why is PVP boring Thoughts please... PS: This is not a troll
Youre the one who wrote the exact same thread a couple of months ago right? Just wondering, r u a bot
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Degren
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.23 07:26:00 -
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Kengutsi Akira wrote:Akirei Scytale wrote:2bhammered wrote:Lyron-Baktos wrote:we did about a 60 jump roam over the weekend and never found a fight. After about 30 jumps in, it did become boring and tedious. Luckily, this instance rarely happens Name another game or even activity where you spend an entire weekend, paying for it, and you get nothing in return? I can't think of anything, only in EVE can I end up spending hours after hours bored. Literally any MMO. Why are you here then? Its a question I always want to ask ppl that talk about how much MMOs suck ON MMO forums
He didn't say MMOs suck. He said you can get nothing out of a weekend on an MMO and still pay for it.
Which is true.
How many people sit in station for an entire day, forgetting/refusing to even undock, check their orders or queue a job? Quite a few.
Quite a few people also just stay in the auction house/bank of their favorite WoW, EQ, EQ2, UO, SWTOR (see where I'm going) city and forget to actually play the game.
Or they just might not log in.
They are still paying for it.
Oh, and on a final note, once you've reached a down point in a game you're going to stay bored until *you* do something about it. Whether or not that is stepping away from the game for a while, permanently or not at all is your call. |
Mugged Yougot
NorCorp Security AAA Citizens
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Posted - 2012.04.23 08:44:00 -
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I can not answer your question as to why it's "boring", but I can tell you why it's fun! Because you lose something when you die, and your fights actually matter. On second thought, this might also be why it's "boring", especially if you suck at PvP. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
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Posted - 2012.04.23 11:54:00 -
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Tierere wrote:
Thanks that put's it well, so much more should be done but the underlying mechanic is very limiting. The 'balancing' of ships and mods to make pvp more completive is just a distraction from the underlying ills. The point and click system, with the basic navigation of approach and orbit for example show how basic the structure actually is. They have done well with that system but honestly it feels a bit old now no matter how shinny they make the ships. I'm interested to see how dust works as a mmofps that might be more of a model for future engines. However there are other games out there and more being developed so if eve does not change it's life span will be limited.
o7
You are around, oh, ELEVEN Weeks Late on this...................................
Dead thread is dead thread. There isn't anything left for you to do to Carebears. -áGo, kill them some more. They're like fungus or bacteria, they won't die and they won't stop. All you have to show for years of organized harassment campaigns against them is ... nothing. |
Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
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Posted - 2012.04.23 13:35:00 -
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2bhammered wrote:Why is PVP boring You must be doing it wrong. I've never been so freaked out as when I get locked down and destroyed in eve. No other game gives my stomach butterflies like eve when I jump someone else. EvE PVP is the source, to borrow from the surfer parlance.
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Nirnias Stirrum
Ore Mongers BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2012.04.23 13:51:00 -
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2bhammered wrote:Why is PVP boring Thoughts please... PS: This is not a troll
Because your doing it wrong? |
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