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2bhammered
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.01.28 03:38:00 -
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Why is PVP boring
Thoughts please...
PS: This is not a troll |
Renarla
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Posted - 2012.01.28 03:43:00 -
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Maybe this isn't the game for you...? |
2bhammered
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.01.28 03:46:00 -
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Renarla wrote:Maybe this isn't the game for you...?
It was for many years. Any thoughts? |
KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2012.01.28 03:47:00 -
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Because according to eve-kill, you don't do it much? http://i.imgur.com/cOmMP.gif |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
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Posted - 2012.01.28 03:48:00 -
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I don't find it boring...
Mind you, I don't engage in the PvP pew pew area, but I love watching and waiting as the ships fight at the undock, hoping one will fall so I can swoop in and take their gory remains,. |
2bhammered
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.01.28 03:49:00 -
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KrakizBad wrote:Because according to eve-kill, you don't do it much?
Ok? any thoughts as to why? this thread needs to contain more "thought"!! |
2bhammered
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.01.28 03:52:00 -
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Corina Jarr wrote:I don't find it boring...
Mind you, I don't engage in the PvP pew pew area, but I love watching and waiting as the ships fight at the undock, hoping one will fall so I can swoop in and take their gory remains,.
So you play that game, I also know why many love to mine game and trade game, some even haul game. But any thoughts on why PVP is boring?
Ok I will start with a thought I had, one of many, maybe it is because everyone zerg/blob and all of PVP is just about trying to bait and that's it.
Maybe gameplay feels old and stale. Just a thought, now your turn. |
Sara XIII
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
49
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Posted - 2012.01.28 04:00:00 -
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Are you waiting for PvP or looking for PvP?
Looking is never boring. |
T' Elk
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.01.28 04:01:00 -
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PvP is boring because instead of using the last 5 days of my sub playing the game, I choose to come and shitpost on the forums. Any thoughts? God wears-áRay Ban Aviators. |
2bhammered
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.01.28 04:03:00 -
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Sara XIII wrote:Are you waiting for PvP or looking for PvP?
Looking is never boring.
Looking, always looking, I would even bail on alliance fleets just to look for it instead of having to wait and roll your thumbs for hours. Guess what? looking sucks. Enter system either 2 things will happen, everyone docks or... they blob you, snooze zzz and even if you do get a fight, a fun one which happens once in a blue moon, it is not so "fun". |
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2bhammered
Perkone Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2012.01.28 04:06:00 -
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T' Elk wrote:PvP is boring because instead of using the last 5 days of my sub playing the game, I choose to come and shitpost on the forums. Any thoughts?
I feel your pain, my thought is that pvp is just, dull/boring and you know those 5 days would be spent either blobbed, zerged, waiting 90% of the time or looking 90% of the time instead of getting an actual fight or bored of your ship or fitting and wait those 5 days to train for something "else" or be at the point where you try and think of something to train for.
Just a thought. |
KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
312
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Posted - 2012.01.28 04:07:00 -
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2bhammered wrote:Sara XIII wrote:Are you waiting for PvP or looking for PvP?
Looking is never boring. Looking, always looking, I would even bail on alliance fleets just to look for it instead of having to wait and roll your thumbs for hours. Guess what? looking sucks. Enter system either 2 things will happen, everyone docks or... they blob you, snooze zzz and even if you do get a fight, a fun one which happens once in a blue moon, it is not so "fun". If you don't think "fun" fights are fun, then you have answered your own question. http://i.imgur.com/cOmMP.gif |
2bhammered
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.01.28 04:11:00 -
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KrakizBad wrote:2bhammered wrote:Sara XIII wrote:Are you waiting for PvP or looking for PvP?
Looking is never boring. Looking, always looking, I would even bail on alliance fleets just to look for it instead of having to wait and roll your thumbs for hours. Guess what? looking sucks. Enter system either 2 things will happen, everyone docks or... they blob you, snooze zzz and even if you do get a fight, a fun one which happens once in a blue moon, it is not so "fun". If you don't think "fun" fights are fun, then you have answered your own question.
Not as fun as they use to be no, that's for sure, frigates is also still the most "fun" ship in pvp even almost a decade after starting to play this game. Makes you think ha? again, just a thought, "fun" was not partof development in recent years of in many parts of the game, not sure. I am also not sure how I answered my own question, I have thoughts but I am not sure as to why I don't have fun even in a good fight. |
Sara XIII
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
49
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Posted - 2012.01.28 04:11:00 -
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2bhammered wrote:Sara XIII wrote:Are you waiting for PvP or looking for PvP?
Looking is never boring. Looking, always looking, I would even bail on alliance fleets just to look for it instead of having to wait and roll your thumbs for hours. Guess what? looking sucks. Enter system either 2 things will happen, everyone docks or... they blob you, snooze zzz and even if you do get a fight, a fun one which happens once in a blue moon, it is not so "fun".
Never give up. |
2bhammered
Perkone Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2012.01.28 04:15:00 -
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Sara XIII wrote:2bhammered wrote:Sara XIII wrote:Are you waiting for PvP or looking for PvP?
Looking is never boring. Looking, always looking, I would even bail on alliance fleets just to look for it instead of having to wait and roll your thumbs for hours. Guess what? looking sucks. Enter system either 2 things will happen, everyone docks or... they blob you, snooze zzz and even if you do get a fight, a fun one which happens once in a blue moon, it is not so "fun". Never give up.
I am close to giving up. PVP today and looking for it, use to be a pirate, hasn't been fun for years Not 100% sure as to why, I have theories but nothing definitive. I find being pirate, alliance fighter, fleet, spec ops and even highsec ganking to all be boring.
Only reason I still have the game is because I bought plex for my isks. If not for that I wouldn't have a sub at all. |
Sara XIII
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
49
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Posted - 2012.01.28 04:23:00 -
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Have you tried command or played some of the meta-games EVE has to offer?
You sound like you need a new challenge. |
2bhammered
Perkone Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2012.01.28 04:29:00 -
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Sara XIII wrote:Have you tried command or played some of the meta-games EVE has to offer?
You sound like you need a new challenge.
I have done command, leading squads in pvp and fleets,usually roaming ones and sometimes, cringes*, bubble camps. I have also run a corp years ago. Meta games to me are boring and too time consuming, I miss the days when I would log on with my ****** SP noob char and attack and ransom people in my rifter, merlin or tank gate guns and scare the **** out of surprised people in lowsec with a shield extended caracal. But now I find ship, mechanics, graphics and fighting scenarios, damn, everything to just be very very boring. I spend more time on EFT or something than ingame and even if I spent more time ingame it would just be a waste of chasing ghosts or hiding/docked.
Maybe it is just boring because it gets old after years of few things to play with in the sandbox, maybe too many people with too much SP and ISK, maybe we need arena style or battleground pvp? or an eve 2.0 or deletion of capitals and complete change to highsec, lowsec and sovereignity, not sure. But for now, boooring, most people I know feel the same way, especially veterans. Maybe change, scrap the skill system or make the cap a lot smaller.
Again, more thoughts are welcome! |
Hainnz
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
67
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Posted - 2012.01.28 04:31:00 -
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I don't particularly find EVE PVP much fun either (talking ship combat specifically here), because in my experience the fights are usually decided before the first laser is fired.
"Yay/Boo. We won/lost. *yawns*"
I suppose if I could find a way of ensuring "good" fights without them being staged, then PVP might hold my interest more.
I will say that EVE's flavor of PVP makes the other parts of the game more interesting to me. I really enjoy the exploration aspect of these games. The fact that the other players can, and usually will, try to blow me up if I let them makes going out there and doing stuff fun. (Even if the stuff I'm doing isn't particularly interesting itself.) |
2bhammered
Perkone Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2012.01.28 04:33:00 -
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Hainnz wrote:I don't particularly find EVE PVP much fun either (talking ship combat specifically here), because in my experience the fights are usually decided before the first laser is fired.
"Yay/Boo. We won/lost. *yawns*"
I suppose if I could find a way of ensuring "good" fights without them being staged, then PVP might hold my interest more.
I will say that EVE's flavor of PVP makes the other parts of the game more interesting to me. I really enjoy the exploration aspect of these games. The fact that the other players can, and usually will, try to blow me up if I let them makes going out there and doing stuff fun. (Even if the stuff I'm doing isn't particularly interesting itself.)
I feel the same way, I tried to get into WH's and exploration many times, my problem is I have yet to encounter anything worthwhile exploring for in this game, everything PVE wise or what I can find by exploring is tedious and lame to me. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
689
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Posted - 2012.01.28 04:37:00 -
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Here's how most PVP is done in EVE:
You fit a ship you are fine with losing.
Join your fleet (AKA. Blob).
Warp to battle.
Look at screen and know how the battle will play out before it even starts.
Shooting rocks is more exciting, TBH.
Mr Epeen Me too!-á I ate one sour, too! |
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Tore Vest
162
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Posted - 2012.01.28 04:39:00 -
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Politics..... nerfs.... whining... makes PVP booring Highsec carebear... and proud of it |
2bhammered
Perkone Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2012.01.28 04:43:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Here's how most PVP is done in EVE: You fit a ship you are fine with losing. Join your fleet (AKA. Blob). Warp to battle. Look at screen and know how the battle will play out before it even starts. Shooting rocks is more exciting, TBH. Mr Epeen
I feel a shamed for saying this, but I had more fun in PVP Arena in WoW during WOTLK than in EvE, I have more fun in SC2 fighting a korean, I have more fun fighting in a trade over a rare hat in TF2 than to PVP in EvE, what went wrong? I am not joking nor trolling I am seriously asking this. I took a break from eve years ago due to real life obligations, I use to love it, now being back it is like, the mostboring PVP I have played, almost ever. I just don't get it, what happened in the last years? any thoughts? I really wanna get to the bottom of this. Is it me? CCP? time has passed+/-competition? what? |
2bhammered
Perkone Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2012.01.28 04:46:00 -
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Tore Vest wrote:Politics..... nerfs.... whining... makes PVP booring
Hmm, politics, when I left ascn=my **** was gone, bob=gone goons brought fun and reshaped stuff but like george lucas became the boring system themselves that they set out to change, nerfs, well all fleet doctrines in EVE are now exactly the same in every single alliance, maybe you are on to something.
Good thoughts you got there, please elaborate on them, I sense something is here. |
Skorpynekomimi
E.A.D Alliance Omega Vector
97
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Posted - 2012.01.28 04:48:00 -
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Because it's over in seconds. Warp to gate, kaboom. Sitting there in a pod, surrounded by the dust that was my shuttle. |
2bhammered
Perkone Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2012.01.28 04:49:00 -
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Skorpynekomimi wrote:Because it's over in seconds. Warp to gate, kaboom. Sitting there in a pod, surrounded by the dust that was my shuttle.
Please, be serious! also that shuttle kill was my highpoint that night |
Tore Vest
163
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Posted - 2012.01.28 04:54:00 -
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2bhammered wrote:Tore Vest wrote:Politics..... nerfs.... whining... makes PVP booring Hmm, politics, when I left ascn=my **** was gone, bob=gone goons brought fun and reshaped stuff but like george lucas became the boring system themselves that they set out to change, nerfs, well all fleet doctrines in EVE are now exactly the same in every single alliance, maybe you are on to something. Good thoughts you got there, please elaborate on them, I sense something is here.
Its as simle as this.... When ppl start trolling(whining) to CCP... to do tupid nerfs in order of getting the upper hand in PVP..... Then PVP gets stupid... booring
Edit: When ppl uses their CSM position to do this.... there we have politics Highsec carebear... and proud of it |
ILikeMarkets
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
52
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Posted - 2012.01.28 05:04:00 -
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EVE PvP is a waiting game for most folks. Sit at a gate and wait. Roam around and wait. Sit by a station and wait. Roam some more and wait.
When you do finally find PvP after an hour of this- it's either a blob and you get demolished, or you are the blob and the fight lasts 2 seconds anyway.
Rarely, every so rarely, you get blob on blob and that's entertaining for 15 minutes. Then you go back to waiting.
Honestly, if you find waiting boring, you really are playing the wrong game. I don't mean that in a negative way to you- it's just how the game is. There are people who eat it up. Me? I keep a movie going on my second monitor whenever I go out. Usually end up having 2 or 3 fights before the movie is over, too. Protect highsec.-áWe are the 66%.
https://p.twimg.com/Ajc6KNBCQAAT9my.png (Source: https://twitter.com/ccp_diagoras ) |
Marlona Sky
EntroPrelatial Vanguard EntroPraetorian Aegis
401
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Posted - 2012.01.28 05:06:00 -
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Remove local. Embrace the unknown.
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2bhammered
Perkone Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2012.01.28 05:10:00 -
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Marlona Sky wrote:Remove local. Embrace the unknown.
I wish |
2bhammered
Perkone Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2012.01.28 05:13:00 -
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ILikeMarkets wrote:EVE PvP is a waiting game for most folks. Sit at a gate and wait. Roam around and wait. Sit by a station and wait. Roam some more and wait.
When you do finally find PvP after an hour of this- it's either a blob and you get demolished, or you are the blob and the fight lasts 2 seconds anyway.
Rarely, every so rarely, you get blob on blob and that's entertaining for 15 minutes. Then you go back to waiting.
Honestly, if you find waiting boring, you really are playing the wrong game. I don't mean that in a negative way to you- it's just how the game is. There are people who eat it up. Me? I keep a movie going on my second monitor whenever I go out. Usually end up having 2 or 3 fights before the movie is over, too.
I think you are correct in everything you said, even your reccomendation, but I have to ask, why 5 years ago did I get 20 fights during that movie and today I can watch the trilogy of lord of the rings, extended edition, without even 1 fight? And yes, perhaps the waiting leads to more expectation and less reward for time spent, thus, the fight itself is alot less fun than 20 of similar fights in 1hour.
Thanks for your thoughts, and yes this game has way too much waiting, even when waiting you wait and waiting has become worse it seems. I use to PVP with 500k+ SP back in the day and get a fight. |
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