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Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
1536
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Posted - 2013.11.23 17:24:00 -
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:The solution is obvious.
People answer to incentives, but bad peformance is not incentive enough to stop piling every last possible ship on grid.
So, a incentive to stop piling ships on grid must be provided.
The war against poor performance in big battles is lost beforehand. No matter how much CCP raises the cap, every faction will try to outnumber the others and all combined will bring down the server.
So stop it altogether. Quality of experience is preferable to quantity of players bored to death as their game plays without them.
My suggestion: improve as much as possible the performance of 4,000 ships battles and add stacking penalties to fleet size and force proportion (that is, big fleets and fleets that massively outpower others will suffer increasingly harsh penalties).
Clearly, the only hope CCP has to end this stupidity is to engage in major social engineering. The more technical firepower they bring to bear on these nodes, the more people that will try to jump into the node, and the problem starts all over again.
No, the answer lies in making it prohibitively expensive to jump 2000 plus ships into a system.
Something like:
1st 1000 ships: free next 1000 ships: 1 million/ship next 500 ships: 10 million / ship next 500 ships : 100 million / ship next 250 ships: 500 million / ship next 250 ships: 1 billion / ship
Would that play into the hands of the richest cartels? Possibly, but if people are willing to commit fleets worth trillions, then additional billions to get all those ships into the fight seems reasonable. Would this ensure that groups bring out the heavy guns first, instead of a fight escalating? Very likely, and that is not necessarily a bad thing.
Something like this would preclude some group purposely overloading a node to save ships, or at least, ensure it does cost them a pretty penny to overload a node.
And CCP can then also give up this idiotic arms race between their technology and the size of the blob that the cartels are willing to throw into a system. Most people viewed Orwell's writings as a warning. The harper regime and the goons treat them as a guidebook. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
6339
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Posted - 2013.11.23 17:26:00 -
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"Let's force less people to participate, that'll make things more fun"
EVE Online - A Rigged Game |
RAW23
530
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Posted - 2013.11.23 17:53:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:"Let's force less people to participate, that'll make things more fun"
It probably would, for precisely the same reason you don't stick 2000 players on a single football pitch (it's more fun to play in a way that is scaled to the available infrastructure). The problem is that no one has yet come up with a system that could restrict numbers that couldn't be horribly gamed by one side filling up the system first. There are two types of EVE player:
those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not. |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1506
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Posted - 2013.11.23 17:59:00 -
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Aiden Terona wrote:Kind of ridiculous you get the CSM who is meant to be representing the community, come around with such crappy attitude. Childish man obviously not up for the job.
little know fact malc is Rob Ford. There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1506
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Posted - 2013.11.23 18:02:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Open up monitor during a fight like this, and what do I see?
The client is fetching bounties and killrights. Again and again and again.
Nobody ******* needs these in a large null battle. Killrights are completely irrelevant, and bounties can be payed out later/ Seriously, why are bounties still payed out instantly, when NPC bounties are on a 20 minute tick for the exact reason of avoiding excess server load?
good point i do wonder how much all those bounty calcs are slowing server load.
i would also support the payout per regular tick. There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1506
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Posted - 2013.11.23 18:07:00 -
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what if instead of more poeple = tidi, more people = the opening of a temp black hole that kills every ship in system. There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request |
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CCP Explorer
C C P C C P Alliance
1862
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Posted - 2013.11.23 18:14:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Did anyone even bother to inform CCP the fight was going to happen? Yes, the node was reinforced. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Development Director | EVE Online // CCP Games | @erlendur |
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Vera Algaert
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1125
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Posted - 2013.11.23 18:16:00 -
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What we need is a mechanic that causes, whenever too much mass is present on one grid, the entire grid collapse into a black hole. |
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CCP Explorer
C C P C C P Alliance
1862
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Posted - 2013.11.23 18:22:00 -
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MestariBation wrote:CCP Veritas wrote:Hiya folks, just a quick post about the node death that prematurely ended the fighting in E-YJ8G.
Technical investigation is ongoing, but it's clear that there was some run-away processing that took over 5 minutes of un-interrupted CPU time to complete. Our cluster is set up to assume that any node that is unresponsive for more than 3 minutes is dead and is removed forcefully from the cluster so that the show may go on elsewhere.
We're investigating why exactly that spike in execution happened and I'm hopeful we can knock it back in line. We'll be able to share more details of what exactly happened once a fix is deployed. Just reimbuse everyhting and its fine. Section 1.5 here http://community.eveonline.com/support/policies/eve-reimbursement-policy covers fleet fights. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Development Director | EVE Online // CCP Games | @erlendur |
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CCP Explorer
C C P C C P Alliance
1862
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Posted - 2013.11.23 18:23:00 -
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BigSako wrote:Laserak wrote:CCP Veritas wrote:It was processing a standard gameplay request from a player. This was not a case of developer interaction with the node. Was it a Cheetah?? I've seen nodes crashed using a single Cloaky Tech 3 jumping through a gate. Not sure HOW they did that, but everytime you saw a T3 decloak, not moving and being unlockable, that would lock up the node. That was already there in 2009 and I believe this bug is still out there. A bug report with details would be super Please mention me and CCP Veritas in the report. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Development Director | EVE Online // CCP Games | @erlendur |
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Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
1536
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Posted - 2013.11.23 18:32:00 -
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MeBiatch wrote:Aiden Terona wrote:Kind of ridiculous you get the CSM who is meant to be representing the community, come around with such crappy attitude. Childish man obviously not up for the job. little know fact malc is Rob Ford.
A new poll has come out in the last couple days. Robbie boy has a higher approval rating in Toronto than Obama has in the states 39-37.....I despair for the world.
I would also expect many of the libertarian nut jobs on this forum would vote for Ford. Most people viewed Orwell's writings as a warning. The harper regime and the goons treat them as a guidebook. |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1506
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Posted - 2013.11.23 18:41:00 -
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CCP Explorer wrote:baltec1 wrote:Did anyone even bother to inform CCP the fight was going to happen? Yes, the node was reinforced.
interesting sounds like a do while loop or something if one action was never fullfilled and caused the crash. There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
6340
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Posted - 2013.11.23 18:44:00 -
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CCP Explorer wrote:baltec1 wrote:Did anyone even bother to inform CCP the fight was going to happen? Yes, the node was reinforced. Haha oh man. If that's what the node looked like when it was reinforced, then your **** is even more screwed up than I thought. EVE Online - A Rigged Game |
Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
593
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Posted - 2013.11.23 18:52:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:MeBiatch wrote:Aiden Terona wrote:Kind of ridiculous you get the CSM who is meant to be representing the community, come around with such crappy attitude. Childish man obviously not up for the job. little know fact malc is Rob Ford. A new poll has come out in the last couple days. Robbie boy has a higher approval rating in Toronto than Obama has in the states 39-37.....I despair for the world. I would also expect many of the libertarian nut jobs on this forum would vote for Ford.
Dude...the guy is the reincarnation of Chris Farley how could anyone NOT vote for him. All politicians are high on something so why not vote for the entertaining and honest one!
Clinton was a pothead and Bush was a coke fiend...what's wrong with a little crack rock every now and then?
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James Noble
Carbon Industries
4
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Posted - 2013.11.23 18:56:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:MeBiatch wrote:Aiden Terona wrote:Kind of ridiculous you get the CSM who is meant to be representing the community, come around with such crappy attitude. Childish man obviously not up for the job. little know fact malc is Rob Ford. A new poll has come out in the last couple days. Robbie boy has a higher approval rating in Toronto than Obama has in the states 39-37.....I despair for the world. I would also expect many of the libertarian nut jobs on this forum would vote for Ford.
Canadian's would vote in a hamster if it meant saving on taxes. Also, we are bored so watching Rob on TV for a few more years wouldn't hurt.
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
6342
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Posted - 2013.11.23 18:56:00 -
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Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:Clinton was a pothead I think pot should be mandatory for the commander of the most powerful military force in the world. Maybe then they'd use it less often... EVE Online - A Rigged Game |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1506
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Posted - 2013.11.23 19:01:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:MeBiatch wrote:Aiden Terona wrote:Kind of ridiculous you get the CSM who is meant to be representing the community, come around with such crappy attitude. Childish man obviously not up for the job. little know fact malc is Rob Ford. A new poll has come out in the last couple days. Robbie boy has a higher approval rating in Toronto than Obama has in the states 39-37.....I despair for the world. I would also expect many of the libertarian nut jobs on this forum would vote for Ford.
i voted for him and will do again.
Personally i think as a people we need to get over our polititians... its just a job let them do it.
If you look at his record he has been great.
its like that guy who was running for the rebulicans who owns that famous pizza place ( Herman Cain). he should have been president but because he likes cheeting on his wife too much he was overlooked for the drone that is/was Mitt.
Thats the main problem with American politics no one can actually do anything without worry that thier personal life will be put out to the public and then they will loose thier job. There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request |
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
800
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Posted - 2013.11.23 19:12:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Ting Mei wrote:Don't like your "For the Thousand times".
Oh, did I hurt your feelings by making you feel as if you'd said a dumb, ignorant thing that had been said on these forums by by nine hundred and ninety nine dumb, ignorant people already? Well then I apologise unreservedly for hurting your feelings by making you feel as if you'd said a dumb, ignorant thing that had been said on these forums by by nine hundred and ninety nine dumb, ignorant people already No one should have their feelings hurt just because they said a dumb, ignorant thing that had been said on these forums by by nine hundred and ninety nine dumb, ignorant people already. That was wrong of me.
Sounds like the only one being Ignorant here is you.....
CCP, trading shiny pictures for playability since 2003.. EvE, a cutting edge game. The only game to provide Matrix style gameplay for the masses! (trouble is, most people don't have 9 hours to waste on a one hour fight.) |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
6343
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Posted - 2013.11.23 19:16:00 -
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If anybody is still paying attention to what Malcanis says after he proved himself a shill then it's their own fault. EVE Online - A Rigged Game |
Kaj'Schak
Liga Freier Terraner Northern Coalition.
4
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Posted - 2013.11.23 19:25:00 -
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CCP Explorer wrote:MestariBation wrote:CCP Veritas wrote:Hiya folks, just a quick post about the node death that prematurely ended the fighting in E-YJ8G.
Technical investigation is ongoing, but it's clear that there was some run-away processing that took over 5 minutes of un-interrupted CPU time to complete. Our cluster is set up to assume that any node that is unresponsive for more than 3 minutes is dead and is removed forcefully from the cluster so that the show may go on elsewhere.
We're investigating why exactly that spike in execution happened and I'm hopeful we can knock it back in line. We'll be able to share more details of what exactly happened once a fix is deployed. Just reimbuse everyhting and its fine. Section 1.5 here http://community.eveonline.com/support/policies/eve-reimbursement-policy covers fleet fights.
are you kiddind me? Your serer crashs, I land somewhere of battlefield on a safespot, not to have my fighterbombers returned as they are supposed to be with new features that were implemented some time ago when carriers/supercarriers crash? unable to reconnect? And you don't give them back to me because something went wrong with your server preventing your game mechanics from working?
ok, thank you. |
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
6344
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Posted - 2013.11.23 19:31:00 -
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Poor NCdotte. EVE Online - A Rigged Game |
Razzor Death
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
226
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Posted - 2013.11.23 19:33:00 -
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Kaj'Schak wrote:CCP Explorer wrote:MestariBation wrote:CCP Veritas wrote:Hiya folks, just a quick post about the node death that prematurely ended the fighting in E-YJ8G.
Technical investigation is ongoing, but it's clear that there was some run-away processing that took over 5 minutes of un-interrupted CPU time to complete. Our cluster is set up to assume that any node that is unresponsive for more than 3 minutes is dead and is removed forcefully from the cluster so that the show may go on elsewhere.
We're investigating why exactly that spike in execution happened and I'm hopeful we can knock it back in line. We'll be able to share more details of what exactly happened once a fix is deployed. Just reimbuse everyhting and its fine. Section 1.5 here http://community.eveonline.com/support/policies/eve-reimbursement-policy covers fleet fights. let me get that right: your sevrer crashs, I land somewhere of battlefield on a safespot, not to have my fighterbombers returned as they are supposed to be with new features that were implemented some time ago when carriers/supercarriers crash? unable to reconnect? ok
This has been the case for supers for a long time |
BigSako
Burning Napalm Northern Coalition.
91
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Posted - 2013.11.23 19:46:00 -
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The difference is that we could have scooped our bombers, had we given a chance to logon were we crashed. In this case CCP messed up and put us in different spots, unable to recall bombers. |
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CCP Explorer
C C P C C P Alliance
1863
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Posted - 2013.11.23 19:47:00 -
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Tippia wrote:SoGǪ when did Dr. Eyjo G start at CCP anyway? May 2007. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Development Director | EVE Online // CCP Games | @erlendur |
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CCP Explorer
C C P C C P Alliance
1863
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Posted - 2013.11.23 19:50:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Open up monitor during a fight like this, and what do I see?
The client is fetching bounties and killrights. Again and again and again.
Nobody ******* needs these in a large null battle. Killrights are completely irrelevant, and bounties can be payed out later/ Seriously, why are bounties still payed out instantly, when NPC bounties are on a 20 minute tick for the exact reason of avoiding excess server load? This information is actually not fetched from the location node, but rather a dedicated service that runs elsewhere in the cluster. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Development Director | EVE Online // CCP Games | @erlendur |
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
6350
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Posted - 2013.11.23 19:52:00 -
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CCP Explorer wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Open up monitor during a fight like this, and what do I see?
The client is fetching bounties and killrights. Again and again and again.
Nobody ******* needs these in a large null battle. Killrights are completely irrelevant, and bounties can be payed out later/ Seriously, why are bounties still payed out instantly, when NPC bounties are on a 20 minute tick for the exact reason of avoiding excess server load? This information is actually not fetched from the location node, but rather a dedicated service that runs elsewhere in the cluster. And yet, when my game becomes unresponsive, this is almost always what's clogging up the backlog. EVE Online - An Unstable Game |
Leigh Akiga
Trickle Down Economics
360
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Posted - 2013.11.23 19:52:00 -
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There might be some big ones tonight if you CCP dudes are foreveralone at home like us capsuleers and wanted to do some realtime monitoring to see what all goes on |
I Love Boobies
All Hail Boobies
704
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Posted - 2013.11.23 19:59:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Ting Mei wrote:Don't like your "For the Thousand times".
Oh, did I hurt your feelings by making you feel as if you'd said a dumb, ignorant thing that had been said on these forums by by nine hundred and ninety nine dumb, ignorant people already? Well then I apologise unreservedly for hurting your feelings by making you feel as if you'd said a dumb, ignorant thing that had been said on these forums by by nine hundred and ninety nine dumb, ignorant people already No one should have their feelings hurt just because they said a dumb, ignorant thing that had been said on these forums by by nine hundred and ninety nine dumb, ignorant people already. That was wrong of me.
I think I am going to vote for Malcanis on the next CSM if he is running next time. I like how he doesn't mince words. *removed inappropriate signature* - CCP Eterne |
Rattman
Van Diemen's Demise Northern Coalition.
12
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Posted - 2013.11.23 20:01:00 -
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[quote=CCP Veritas Technical investigation is ongoing, but it's clear that there was some run-away processing that took over 5 minutes of un-interrupted CPU time to complete. [/quote]
So take it all the capital pilots will get their billions of isk worth of bombers back they lost |
SOULKAR
The Scope Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.11.23 20:03:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Ting Mei wrote:Don't like your "For the Thousand times".
Oh, did I hurt your feelings by making you feel as if you'd said a dumb, ignorant thing that had been said on these forums by by nine hundred and ninety nine dumb, ignorant people already? Well then I apologise unreservedly for hurting your feelings by making you feel as if you'd said a dumb, ignorant thing that had been said on these forums by by nine hundred and ninety nine dumb, ignorant people already No one should have their feelings hurt just because they said a dumb, ignorant thing that had been said on these forums by by nine hundred and ninety nine dumb, ignorant people already. That was wrong of me. W@@KER |
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