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Dasola
Rookie Empire Citizens Rookie Empire
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Posted - 2012.12.05 09:22:00 -
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I for one welcome this change to new AI. I always find it little imersion disturbing that npc are so dump they dont shoot drone thats more bangerous to them then battleship that player is flying... So i welcome this smartingup npc-¦s a bit... All we need now is npc ability to flee from fight, set up repair docks, etc... [Insert something funny or smart here] |
ihcn
Life. Universe. Everything. Clockwork Pineapple
3
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Posted - 2012.12.05 09:25:00 -
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Sahjahn wrote:+1
It is a bit rediculous at the minute, try running level 5s, fighters dieing also in seconds as 20 BS and 20 BC instantly target and unleash hell, the frigates scramming and webbing them mean you've no chance to recall them so they die.
I really hope CCP reconsiders this and allows us to use drones/fighters in missions again. fyi people who run wspace sites have dealt with this for 3 years and they seem to be getting by ok |
Thelma Thunderfanny
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
6
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Posted - 2012.12.05 09:26:00 -
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Wouldn't know... still using my 'nerfed' Tengu which still appears to be completing level 4's in around the same time and just as efficiently. You know, the one everyone said was going to be sh*t post patch?
F*ck drones. |
Nyla Skin
Maximum fun chamber
127
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Posted - 2012.12.05 09:31:00 -
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JitaPriceChecker2 wrote:All those tears are so delicious CCP. Good job with expansion.
Your tears are delicious |
Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
999
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Posted - 2012.12.05 09:34:00 -
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Just a suggestion when you are being jammed.
In the case of a missile user, use FoF's, they work pretty well for the purpose. Very underutilised. They may not pack the punch of non-FoF's, but they get the job done. FoF missiles on lvl5 actually mean something now.
Turret users being jammed - other than using sensor boosters, I have no suggestions to make.
o7
Personnel Division Director --áBene Gesserit Chapterhouse
"The universe is an ancient desert, a vast wasteland with only occasional habitable planets as oases. We Fremen, comfortable with deserts, shall now venture into another." - STILGAR, From the Sietch to the Stars. |
Chopper Rollins
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
134
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Posted - 2012.12.05 09:40:00 -
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Haven't tested this and never relied on drones, also never afk missioned, i was always kite n snipe. BUT Tougher NPCs force players to either make a little less isk/hr, or engage the help of other players/alts. Both of which are ok by me.
Worlds Collide, where you get dropped into a bunch of Serp scrammers? That could prove impossible if you can't use pest control drones to get the points n webs off before the dps stacks up. Got a faction fitted mach out with 12% structure from that one when the Serps were still HURR zombies, if they really are drone eaters like sleepers that one L4 mission might demand a major fitting juggle for that one room. Meh, hate mission running, just sayin.
Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good. |
Doddy
Excidium. Executive Outcomes
398
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Posted - 2012.12.05 09:43:00 -
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I haven't lost any drones yet, i think you guys are doing it wrong. |
TheBlueMonkey
Don't Be a Menace That Red Alliance
207
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Posted - 2012.12.05 09:44:00 -
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Rensari wrote:I was doing the mission.
There's your problem |
Konrad Kane
Dirt Nap Squad
30
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Posted - 2012.12.05 09:45:00 -
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I dropped my drone ratting ship and any training I was planning for drones the moment CCP announced the AI change. It was pretty obvious that drones we're going to be much harder work in ratting than they are worth.
It's not the target switching that's the issue. It's that the drone UI is so awful that you can't tell what's targeting them and what with. If the drone UI allowed you to see what ships where targeting them you'd have much more information to deal with the change.
Once the drone UI is improved drones will be worth the effort again.
Top tip - switch ships. |
Bing Khagah
Hedion University Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2012.12.05 09:47:00 -
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"2. If you literally only ever relied on drones to complete a mission you were doing it wrong anyway."
So they weren't a primary weapon system?
"fyi people who run wspace sites have dealt with this for 3 years and they seem to be getting by ok "
Their content was designed from the ground up with this AI in mind. Missions were not. |
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Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1813
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Posted - 2012.12.05 09:51:00 -
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Konrad Kane wrote: Top tip - switch ships.
Agreed. Don't like losing drones? Instead of whining on here, spend a few days to train into something else that isn't a droneboat. |
Louis deGuerre
The Dark Tribe Against ALL Authorities
559
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Posted - 2012.12.05 10:02:00 -
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Jake Warbird wrote:Konrad Kane wrote: Top tip - switch ships.
Agreed. Don't like losing drones? Instead of whining on here, spend a few days to train into something else that isn't a droneboat.
All the new players who have put all their skillpoints into Drones and Gallente are just going to love that bit of advice. It is just terrible fail to make a complete race of ships mostly useless at missions in one go. Most other ships that rely on drones to take out frigates are useless as well.
So CCP basically says, stop solo L4 mission or GTFO. This has overshot the get-rid-of-AFK-missioning by a mile. Adjusting PVE mechanics dramatically but NOT adjusting missions to compensate is just terrible. I suspect a lot of casual highsec players will just say **** it play something else instead.
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Rammes lol
USMG ExFor
2
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Posted - 2012.12.05 10:14:00 -
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lets just adapt to the new system it makes it intresting now |
Konrad Kane
Dirt Nap Squad
30
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Posted - 2012.12.05 10:21:00 -
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Louis deGuerre wrote: All the new players who have put all their skillpoints into Drones and Gallente are just going to love that bit of advice.
My ratting alt has max drone skills, I'm not delighted I'm now going to have to dock up his boat until the drone UI gets buffed. However; practically speaking you'll have to bounce to a new setup or spend all day raging. CCP aren't going to change this for a while, so do something else. |
coolzero
The Replicators Li3 Federation
45
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Posted - 2012.12.05 10:24:00 -
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Tarn Kugisa wrote:sentries
good luck trying to shoot anything with sentrys within 4km range...... |
Remiel Pollard
Devlin Security Devlin Alliance
233
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Posted - 2012.12.05 10:30:00 -
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Louis deGuerre wrote:Jake Warbird wrote:Konrad Kane wrote: Top tip - switch ships.
Agreed. Don't like losing drones? Instead of whining on here, spend a few days to train into something else that isn't a droneboat. All the new players who have put all their skillpoints into Drones and Gallente are just going to love that bit of advice. It is just terrible fail to make a complete race of ships mostly useless at missions in one go. Most other ships that rely on drones to take out frigates are useless as well. So CCP basically says, stop solo L4 mission or GTFO. This has overshot the get-rid-of-AFK-missioning by a mile. Adjusting PVE mechanics dramatically but NOT adjusting missions to compensate is just terrible. I suspect a lot of casual highsec players will just say **** it play something else instead.
Good, this would be a better game without the casuals. Good riddance to them. And if you really think that drone boats have been nerfed to obseletion, all that means is you're doing it wrong. Because all my newly refit drone boats are working as intended.
You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
Yuri Wayfare
Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
69
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Posted - 2012.12.05 10:31:00 -
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So no more AFK drone boats in missions - any mission runner we come across (well, except bots) will be ass-in-chair, hands-on-keyboard!
I AM SO HAPPY! "Suddenly, trash pickers! HUNDREDS of winos going through your recyclables." -Piugattuk
Be careful what you wish for. |
Yim Sei
Ontogenic Achronycal PLC
2
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Posted - 2012.12.05 10:33:00 -
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Well I have an alt who has great drone skills and will admit not had chance to try the new mechanics for PvP yet but personally love the idea of making the game more interesting.
I have been guilty in the past of Dominix AFK L4 missioning and yes its an income (but was never great even with loot and salvage).
I would have been happier to see the offset of the addition of mission time or split of mission rewards (if you now need to fleet up) with some kind of recompense ..maybe slightly higher bounties, salvage or loot.
If, as certain posters seem to say, the possibility of solo L4s is dimninishing then that will effect the economy and push more of the less hardcore or newer players to purchase plex instead.
I love this game and really want to believe the best of CCP but I keep getting the nagging feeling that the abundant nerfs dressed up as 'new exciting content' are mainly cutting a large wedge of players from their income - which in turn is feeling more and more like turning this game into pay to play through plex.
Ive always thought that endgame is being able to sub your accounts through your hard work in game. I feel this is being stealthily removed.
Please prove to me I am wrong and revive my trust in CCP |
AndromacheDarkstar
Fiscal Fisting Inc. Imperial Protectorate
241
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Posted - 2012.12.05 10:36:00 -
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Darkmus Zay wrote:I partially agree, my issue is how fast cruisers change target to drones. sometimes it's nearly instant and you can risk having to recall and put out drones 4 to 6 times, before you can focus down anything without interruption.
This change is putting a HUGE nerf on all drone based ratting platforms, like sentry carriers..
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starbelt stacy
Project-Gonk
10
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Posted - 2012.12.05 10:40:00 -
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Yuri Wayfare wrote:So no more AFK drone boats in missions - any mission runner we come across (well, except bots) will be ass-in-chair, hands-on-keyboard!
I AM SO HAPPY!
stop ridng the d*ck of the lame non-excuse of its to stop afking people doing missions its nothing of the sort its forcing people to buy PLEX and nerf the incomes from level 4's thats it no more no less no matter how creative you get looking for lame excuses trying to justify a very lame ninja nerf. Sack the dumb mofo who decided to nerf level 4's? .... again!!! |
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Trilic
HAV Industries
1
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Posted - 2012.12.05 10:40:00 -
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I think one of the issues here is that.. How the hell is it more realistic that a NPC can not only target, shoot, and hit my small ass speedy drone.. better then I can hit there frigates or cruisers. I just dont get it. |
Yuri Wayfare
Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
70
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Posted - 2012.12.05 10:44:00 -
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starbelt stacy wrote:Yuri Wayfare wrote:So no more AFK drone boats in missions - any mission runner we come across (well, except bots) will be ass-in-chair, hands-on-keyboard!
I AM SO HAPPY! stop ridng the d*ck of the lame non-excuse of its to stop afking people doing missions its nothing of the sort its forcing people to buy PLEX and nerf the incomes from level 4's thats it no more no less no matter how creative you get looking for lame excuses trying to justify a very lame ninja nerf. It's not a ninja nerf if it's been announced, explained, and on the test servers for months.
Also it's not a ninja nerf if it's good for ninjas :D "Suddenly, trash pickers! HUNDREDS of winos going through your recyclables." -Piugattuk
Be careful what you wish for. |
Remiel Pollard
Devlin Security Devlin Alliance
234
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Posted - 2012.12.05 10:46:00 -
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starbelt stacy wrote:Yuri Wayfare wrote:So no more AFK drone boats in missions - any mission runner we come across (well, except bots) will be ass-in-chair, hands-on-keyboard!
I AM SO HAPPY! stop ridng the d*ck of the lame non-excuse of its to stop afking people doing missions its nothing of the sort its forcing people to buy PLEX and nerf the incomes from level 4's thats it no more no less no matter how creative you get looking for lame excuses trying to justify a very lame ninja nerf.
Please learn some punctuation, and stop concocting silly conspiracy theories. Also, stop complaining about the game being too hard and either bugger off, or learn to play. Seriously, pick one. Everyone that's been on here threatening to unsub, it's time to **** or get off the pot. Leave the game and never come back, or get back in there and get your **** together. You want hard? You really don't know what hard is, and CCP seems to think it's time you learned.
You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
Souisa
WESCORP 2.0
58
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Posted - 2012.12.05 10:47:00 -
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does anyone know why they changed the rat ai? o/ |
Konrad Kane
Dirt Nap Squad
30
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Posted - 2012.12.05 10:55:00 -
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I'm waiting for the post when someone tackles a ratter and gets killed by the npc rats. That's going to be a golden post :) |
starbelt stacy
Project-Gonk
12
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Posted - 2012.12.05 10:59:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:starbelt stacy wrote:Yuri Wayfare wrote:So no more AFK drone boats in missions - any mission runner we come across (well, except bots) will be ass-in-chair, hands-on-keyboard!
I AM SO HAPPY! stop ridng the d*ck of the lame non-excuse of its to stop afking people doing missions its nothing of the sort its forcing people to buy PLEX and nerf the incomes from level 4's thats it no more no less no matter how creative you get looking for lame excuses trying to justify a very lame ninja nerf. Please learn some punctuation, and stop concocting silly conspiracy theories. Also, stop complaining about the game being too hard and either bugger off, or learn to play. Seriously, pick one. Everyone that's been on here threatening to unsub, it's time to **** or get off the pot. Leave the game and never come back, or get back in there and get your **** together. You want hard? You really don't know what hard is, and CCP seems to think it's time you learned.
i am ... i have already cancelled the subs on my 3 accounts so far cos of it.
just imagine the financial loss to CCP and to the ingame economy, there are a lot of mission runners who chosen to do this for their game time fun time. you know the ones some are very quick to brand losers (l2p noobs) and treat them with complete disgust ...
less subs means less money in the pot for CCP to keep you playing doing what people like you do for their funtime.
oooh doesn't bare thinking about does it? Sack the dumb mofo who decided to nerf level 4's? .... again!!! |
Tarn Kugisa
Infinite Covenant Tribal Band
184
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Posted - 2012.12.05 11:03:00 -
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coolzero wrote:Tarn Kugisa wrote:sentries good luck trying to shoot anything with sentrys within 4km range......
within 4KM? webs+garde's how did you not know that?
or, I don't know, actually use guns? I Endorse this Product and/or Service Source Recorder-esque tool for EVE |
Opera Noir
Inglorious-Basterds The Bloody Ronin Syndicate
17
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Posted - 2012.12.05 11:40:00 -
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So the missions have gotten a more challenging AI and all everyone does is whine? Challenge makes a better game. To me it simply sounds like its more like PvP now, in that of course the AI is going to target vulnerable assets.
CCP made it pretty clear when they released Sleepers and Wormholes that they were testing this AI to eventually extend it to the rest of the game. You had YEARS to get prepared for it. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
5330
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Posted - 2012.12.05 12:08:00 -
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Sahjahn wrote:+1
It is a bit rediculous at the minute, try running level 5s, fighters dieing also in seconds as 20 BS and 20 BC instantly target and unleash hell, the frigates scramming and webbing them mean you've no chance to recall them so they die.
I really hope CCP reconsiders this and allows us to use drones/fighters in missions again.
Level 5s were never intended to be solo content. MatrixSkye Mk2: "Remember: You consent to unconsensual PVP the moment you press the "Undock" button." |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
5330
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Posted - 2012.12.05 12:09:00 -
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Souisa wrote:does anyone know why they changed the rat ai?
because even the bots were getting bored MatrixSkye Mk2: "Remember: You consent to unconsensual PVP the moment you press the "Undock" button." |
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