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ManiakMogg
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.08.14 14:04:00 -
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War Kitten wrote:The News Item wrote: Game Design will also be looking at changing our complex systems so that this is no longer possible in the near future.
whut? My english is bad, could you explain it? and wtf would be the link? |
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
1041
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Posted - 2012.08.14 15:08:00 -
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ManiakMogg wrote:War Kitten wrote:The News Item wrote: Game Design will also be looking at changing our complex systems so that this is no longer possible in the near future.
whut? My english is bad, could you explain it? and wtf would be the link?
The translation: "We are going to fix it soon."
The link: http://community.eveonline.com/news/newsFromEve.asp?newsTitle=regarding-afk-complex-farming-1
(It was hidden at the beginning of this thread - how can you be arguing effectively if you have not even read the link that you're arguing about?)
I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all. |
Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy Black Sun Alliance
333
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Posted - 2012.08.14 16:14:00 -
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TheSkeptic wrote:Barbara Nichole wrote:"going to do your laundry"? um excuse me.. but putting in a load of laundry doesn't take 23 hours. I have consistantly done my laundry three minutes at a time for years because of mining cycle time.
If the person is going to their bed and sleeping that's a different story but you can drop sentries and sit there with your eyes glued to your monitor and accomplsih the same thing.
I think you are nit-picking here CCP.. If I were you I would be very careful accusing people of being AFK in a game where AFK activity is very much part of the norm, (skill training, contract and market orders, PI, moon mining, sitting in station doing nothing, freighting on autopilot, and to a much lesser degree regular mining.) Sounds to me like you are joining the tin foil hat folks that claim that "afk" is any activity engaged in where you do not toucvh the keyboard regardless of your presence in the seat.
PS BTW.. "afk" cloaking is not an issue. if you are absent you are no threat and cannot do anything, making money or otherwise, in game. I've always said that the cloaking nerf-herders are really all about nerfing the non "afk" cloakers. If only you didn't AFK your way through the previous 25 pages of this thread.... you might have posted something new and relevant then.
Did you have something to say? 25 pages? I read some but that is not a requirement to post.. as ccp directed me here to make a comment. but if you must know I probably read about 50%, more than you read of my post. ..though I do admit my post was not directed to in even remotely. [IMG]http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a208/DawnFrostbringer/consultsig.jpg[/IMG] |
Zapson
The Companionship Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.08.14 16:22:00 -
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This goes out to anyone who quotes the following part from CCP Sreegs: "we are going to fix this issue".
The exact quoute would be:
Quote: Game Design will also be looking at changing our complex systems so that this is no longer possible in the near future
I highly doubt that "Game Design" will really fix this issue or look into it. Why do I think so? Because time has proven that many core game mechanics considered broken or too old, not up2date, or plain and simply annoying haven't been looked into until now, even though most of the player base agrees that there are certain problems. |
Qartie
RED MASHINE UNDEAD.
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Posted - 2012.08.15 00:32:00 -
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Whar Target
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.08.15 01:27:00 -
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Decimat Draconia wrote:I agree that the COSMOS exploit needs to be fixed, lets just keep it to high sec plexes though.
If you afk plex in 0.0 you run the risk of being scanned down and podded - this is the beauty of NULL. Oh this is funny. Deep within territory your alliance controls, it's dangerous to afk bot plexes? I doubt it..
You can probably afford to lose a couple domi's a week and still come out ahead, not that you would even lose that many though. You can't tell players they'll be banned for afk'ing high sec plexes while nullbears have alt accounts botting away. |
Lemming Alpha1dash1
Lemmings Online
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Posted - 2012.08.15 10:21:00 -
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Itterate on sub par PVE content and introduce better AI (from wh's) into hisec cosmos plexes and possible missions |
Blue Macaw
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.08.15 19:31:00 -
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Sandbox? +¦_o |
Brokers Clone
9
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Posted - 2012.08.16 14:30:00 -
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Quote:Exploit fixes An exploit has been fixed making the world a better place for all.
Was that so hard? |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E. Comic Mischief
930
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Posted - 2012.08.16 15:33:00 -
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Brokers Clone wrote:Quote:Exploit fixes An exploit has been fixed making the world a better place for all. Was that so hard? Was the fix for this issue, or was it something else? And if it was for afk complex farming, what was the fix? http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |
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Marcus Caspius
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Posted - 2012.08.21 05:34:00 -
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It amazes me that the response from CCP is not OMG sorry guys we fukced-up, there's an exploit that WE created and you were clever enough to figure it out.
While I have huge respect for CCP Sreegs & Co and greatly value their work against botting, I think its time that CCP man-up instead of swinging the 'ban-your-@ss' bat every time THEY screw up and it ends up with undesirable effects.
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I work in a Software Product Development Environment and the last thing I do is penalise my users for utilising a feature my developers introduced (whether by design or unintentional) that does not have to desired effect.
So, sorry CCP you gotta HTFU and take ownership of your mistakes.
But ... keep banning bots! Grammatical error and spelling mistakes are included for your entertainment!
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TheSkeptic
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.08.21 07:20:00 -
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Marcus Caspius wrote: I work in a Software Product Development Environment and the last thing I do is penalise my users for utilising a feature my developers introduced (whether by design or unintentional) that does not have to desired effect.
Guessing you don't write financial software. Probably a good thing.
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Tenris Anis
Schattenengel Clan
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Posted - 2012.08.21 17:41:00 -
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Dregol wrote:
The TL;DR of this is there were some creative individuals who were AFKing in complexes 23/7 and generating income whilst not at their computers for extended periods of time. CCP considers this to be an exploit, and will be addressing the problem.
AFKing 23/7 killing respawning rats: exploit AFK missioning/anoming/freightering: not an exploit
And that is part of the problem. AFK anoms, freightering, mining (ffs, ice mining for real?) and missions are designed to be done while afk. This may be nice for developers who can play this way eve and still develope eve at the same time, it is kinda a boring thing for the rest of us, who would prefer not to play eve at work, but instead play eve after work. Still the game is build around those activities. |
Marcus Caspius
57
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Posted - 2012.08.21 20:26:00 -
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TheSkeptic wrote:Marcus Caspius wrote: I work in a Software Product Development Environment and the last thing I do is penalise my users for utilising a feature my developers introduced (whether by design or unintentional) that does not have to desired effect. Guessing you don't write financial software. Probably a good thing.
Even in that instance, you can't penalise Users for the design flaws introduced by the Vendor. Surely all business rules and constraints should be intact and operational. Is that not the point of automation? Otherwise a system has no purpose....? Grammatical error and spelling mistakes are included for your entertainment!
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TheSkeptic
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.08.22 04:34:00 -
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Marcus Caspius wrote:TheSkeptic wrote:Marcus Caspius wrote: I work in a Software Product Development Environment and the last thing I do is penalise my users for utilising a feature my developers introduced (whether by design or unintentional) that does not have to desired effect. Guessing you don't write financial software. Probably a good thing. Even in that instance, you can't penalise Users for the design flaws introduced by the Vendor. Surely all business rules and constraints should be intact and operational. Is that not the point of automation? Otherwise a system has no purpose....?
So if your developers identify an issue, where users can generate wealth via an unintended bug (feature), you alert your users of the issue and inform them that exploiting the loophole is punishable. It's still OK? mental |
Loose End
The Big Bambu
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Posted - 2012.08.22 15:15:00 -
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Dregol wrote:From: http://community.eveonline.com/news/newsFromEve.asp?newsTitle=regarding-afk-complex-farming-1Edit: The original concerns/rage in this thread have been addressed by Sreegs. The TL;DR of this is there were some creative individuals who were AFKing in complexes 23/7 and generating income whilst not at their computers for extended periods of time. CCP considers this to be an exploit, and will be addressing the problem. AFKing 23/7 killing respawning rats: exploit AFK missioning/anoming/freightering: not an exploit Sreegs explanation here, concerns about mining, and freightersThe original post: What exactly is the problem here CCP? A pilot has to /actively/ probe down a complex, the speed at which he or she wants to complete the process shouldn't be measured. You also seem to blatantly ignore the fact that other people can probe these down and complete them while you're AFK boating around. Is there some mechanic where NPCs are respawning in complexes after a certain amount of time? If they are, I can understand where the problem is. Anything with respawning NPCs and AFKing is bad mmkay, and there's a simple solution: stop **** from respawning in complexes. I do find it hilarious, though, that you want to go after complex runners. I'd like to see the numbers of how much isk is generated from plexing, but taking what I presume to be a fairly safe guess, I'd be astonished if it represents more than 1% of the total isk generated in EVE. I mean it's not like you just made it 1000% easier for other professions to do anything AFK. I applaud your effort to remove any AFK actions from the game, but seriously, stop picking on fringe problems, and look at the real problems in EVE.
While you and many other consider this and many other issues to be the small problems, this Dev has been assigned to this problem. Not a different problem. EvE is Swiss Cheese with problems. It is the Elephant of Problems. But the question is then...How does one eat the elephant? One bite at a time. And this issue is a bite. It might be less or more tough than other bites from other parts of the elephant. It might even be a bit of elephant sphincter muscle. But this poor ******* has been assigned to eat it. It will probably drive him to start abusing drugs, alcohol and small furry animals. But fix it to the best of his questionable skills he will. For love of EvE or paycheck or both. It don't matter...but yelling at the guy won't get nothing fixed.
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Kara Books
Deal with IT.
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Posted - 2012.08.26 02:13:00 -
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This is eve online, not your every dayJAVA game for phones, here, you are considered to be the elite of the elite when it comes to creativity on how to swindle ISK ( or Dev tears ) out of other players.
This is why im here, really the freekin game is really interesting enough just reading the eve forums sometimes haha but with all honestly, no offense intended, just stating the obvious, as my character does.
P.S. No offense intended, Just roleplaying the speak my mind Kara Books. |
Justin Cody
Tri-gun Lost Obsession
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Posted - 2012.08.26 19:29:00 -
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Teranicus wrote:Quote: WILL THAT MEAN AFK CLOAKING IN A SYSTEM TO DISRUPT OPERATIONS WILL BE BANNABLE ALSO........ especially afk cloaking in anoms so they dont respawn
That no longer works...when you are cloaked you are removed from the system inventory and you don't count against a spawn. |
Crove
Fringe Raiders
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Posted - 2012.08.27 04:29:00 -
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It's a little incredible that this thread is just page after page of logical failure.
It's not that all AFK-able activities which earn isk are banned, only those which allow you afk for the entire 23 hours between downtimes with no interactions from a human whatsoever while continuously earning isk. Here's a list of those:
- The one specific corner case listed at the start of this thread
There. The sky isn't falling and Eve is no different than it was yesterday unless you were setting up in a very specific place, with a very specific kit, and then going to work / sleeping / doing hot yoga / whatever while you earned isk all day. Oh yeah, and CONCORD had your back so players couldn't do anything about it, either.
This isn't "the man" "telling you how to play eve" or anything else crazy, it's just the closing of an exploit.
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Crove
Fringe Raiders
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Posted - 2012.08.27 04:33:00 -
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Marcus Caspius wrote: I work in a Software Product Development Environment and the last thing I do is penalise my users for utilising a feature my developers introduced (whether by design or unintentional) that does not have to desired effect.
Hey, me too! Except I work on enterprise software where an attitude like the above might means millions of dollars in lost business in the span of a few hours. While eve probably isn't quite that high stakes, it's certainly an enterprise application. And in an enterprise application, when you have abusive users, you make sure the service protects itself from them. You don't say, "gee, the product isn't perfect, so go ahead and break it."
Sorry for double post, but...ugh. Everyone and their mom thinks they are a high flying software guru on the internet, and then comes up with genius statements like this one.
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Dekatris
The Greater Goon Clockwork Pineapple
1
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Posted - 2012.09.04 15:26:00 -
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i'm so glad i don't play this god awful game anymore. |
MinefieldS
1 Sick Duck Standss on something
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Posted - 2012.09.07 21:24:00 -
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Why are you giving them amnesty, CCP??? |
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