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Dregol
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.08.09 13:33:00 -
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mkint wrote: Probably should have mentioned that there's a bugged complex in the news post. I was all like "I wonder if afk missioning is on the chopping block next, or rookies mining in industrials, or etc." It sounds like I'm not the only one who was confused by it.
Pretty much this. I was confused/angry as **** when I read the initial post.
Sreegs it'd probably be a good idea to update your post and say "there was a bugged complex, we're fixing it; any time you stay logged in for 23/7 and continue to make isk without being at your computer will be considered botting and will be bannable."
It doesn't mention what complex it was, or where it was, but people that have no idea wtf the bug was will have some explaination and you won't ge the reaction from those who are uninformed. |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1673
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Posted - 2012.08.09 13:36:00 -
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Zwo Zateki wrote:Then FIX it. Set time limit for drone aggressive mode. But do not threaten players. This is the SANDBOX ffs.
please stop misinterpreting "sandbox" as "I can use my drones to do literally the same thing a bot does just without a macro because Sandbox" EVE Online: Trammel (or NGE) |
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CCP Sreegs
C C P C C P Alliance
2016
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Posted - 2012.08.09 13:40:00 -
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Dregol wrote:mkint wrote: Probably should have mentioned that there's a bugged complex in the news post. I was all like "I wonder if afk missioning is on the chopping block next, or rookies mining in industrials, or etc." It sounds like I'm not the only one who was confused by it.
Pretty much this. I was confused/angry as **** when I read the initial post. Sreegs it'd probably be a good idea to update your post and say "there was a bugged complex, we're fixing it; any time you stay logged in for 23/7 and continue to make isk without being at your computer will be considered botting and will be bannable." It doesn't mention what complex it was, or where it was, but people that have no idea wtf the bug was will have some explaination and you won't ge the reaction from those who are uninformed.
"Specific examples of this include such activities as warping into a particular room in a complex, dropping sentry drones, then going to do your laundry or perhaps watch a 24 hour Lazytown marathon."
I don't believe it's limited to a single particular complex and to be frank if I did do that and they found somewhere else that it worked I'd have to deal with 700 petitions of rules lawyering. In this case what we're specifically concerned about is the ability to make money during long periods of being AFK performing activities which are meant to be active.
:edit: I'll try to clarify in a bit in the news item. "Sreegs has juuust edged out Soundwave as my favourite dev." - Meita Way 2012 |
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Tyke Orlieveit
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
5
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Posted - 2012.08.09 13:40:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote:
I'm merely going to quote this. It's not going to please everyone and certainly not going to please those who were making isk while going about their lives doing things other than playing EVE actively but at the end of the day we're only referring to situations in THIS PARTICULAR CASE where you could in theory generate isk 24 hours a day without ever touching your computer. This does not apply to every situation you might perhaps maybe possibly use sentry drones in and nobody's going to ban your accounts because you went to get a cup of coffee.
There were however cases where this was being abused and so we're stating publically that abusing it is wrong and from this point forward the automated systems will handle it.
Protip for the future: if your computer is logged in 24 (or way more than a person can) hours a day making money in a way that is meant to be active and you're not in front of it you're probably doing something wrong
Question based on this if I could Sreegs:
What about cases where the EVE client is running on say, a home machine, and you are using remote desktop / remote viewing tools to perform eve activities ( an example being the ever favorite mining. )
Would this fall under a similar catchment as a bannable behaviour? |
Darth Skorpius
Legion of Darkwind Order of the Void
68
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Posted - 2012.08.09 13:41:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote:In this case what we're specifically concerned about is the ability to make money during long periods of being AFK performing activities which are meant to be active.
Well that means AFK mining is safe then! Follow my Adventures in New Eden! http://www.skorpiuschronicles.com/
Baa Means Baa! |
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CCP Sreegs
C C P C C P Alliance
2016
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Posted - 2012.08.09 13:42:00 -
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Tyke Orlieveit wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:
I'm merely going to quote this. It's not going to please everyone and certainly not going to please those who were making isk while going about their lives doing things other than playing EVE actively but at the end of the day we're only referring to situations in THIS PARTICULAR CASE where you could in theory generate isk 24 hours a day without ever touching your computer. This does not apply to every situation you might perhaps maybe possibly use sentry drones in and nobody's going to ban your accounts because you went to get a cup of coffee.
There were however cases where this was being abused and so we're stating publically that abusing it is wrong and from this point forward the automated systems will handle it.
Protip for the future: if your computer is logged in 24 (or way more than a person can) hours a day making money in a way that is meant to be active and you're not in front of it you're probably doing something wrong
Question based on this if I could Sreegs: What about cases where the EVE client is running on say, a home machine, and you are using remote desktop / remote viewing tools to perform eve activities ( an example being the ever favorite mining. ) Would this fall under a similar catchment as a bannable behaviour?
No, and you wouldn't be able to abuse that for the extended periods of time where it becomes ridiculous. "Sreegs has juuust edged out Soundwave as my favourite dev." - Meita Way 2012 |
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CCP Sreegs
C C P C C P Alliance
2016
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Posted - 2012.08.09 13:43:00 -
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Darth Skorpius wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:In this case what we're specifically concerned about is the ability to make money during long periods of being AFK performing activities which are meant to be active. Well that means AFK mining is safe then!
If you are aware of a way for miners to mine AFK with no third party programs 24 hours a day without being at their machines and managing cargo then I'm all ears. "Sreegs has juuust edged out Soundwave as my favourite dev." - Meita Way 2012 |
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Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1673
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Posted - 2012.08.09 13:46:00 -
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will the fix for this allow me to park a supertanked ship permarunning an armor rep just to laugh at people who can't run the complex because my presence is preventing rats from respawning
i hope it does because that'd be p hilarious
(what i'm saying is that i hope that isn't the solution they have in mind) EVE Online: Trammel (or NGE) |
Tyke Orlieveit
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
5
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Posted - 2012.08.09 13:47:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote:Tyke Orlieveit wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:
I'm merely going to quote this. It's not going to please everyone and certainly not going to please those who were making isk while going about their lives doing things other than playing EVE actively but at the end of the day we're only referring to situations in THIS PARTICULAR CASE where you could in theory generate isk 24 hours a day without ever touching your computer. This does not apply to every situation you might perhaps maybe possibly use sentry drones in and nobody's going to ban your accounts because you went to get a cup of coffee.
There were however cases where this was being abused and so we're stating publically that abusing it is wrong and from this point forward the automated systems will handle it.
Protip for the future: if your computer is logged in 24 (or way more than a person can) hours a day making money in a way that is meant to be active and you're not in front of it you're probably doing something wrong
Question based on this if I could Sreegs: What about cases where the EVE client is running on say, a home machine, and you are using remote desktop / remote viewing tools to perform eve activities ( an example being the ever favorite mining. ) Would this fall under a similar catchment as a bannable behaviour? No, and you wouldn't be able to abuse that for the extended periods of time where it becomes ridiculous.
Awesome, cheers for clearing that up :)
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Dregol
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
9
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Posted - 2012.08.09 13:49:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote:[
"Specific examples of this include such activities as warping into a particular room in a complex, dropping sentry drones, then going to do your laundry or perhaps watch a 24 hour Lazytown marathon."
I don't believe it's limited to a single particular complex and to be frank if I did do that and they found somewhere else that it worked I'd have to deal with 700 petitions of rules lawyering. In this case what we're specifically concerned about is the ability to make money during long periods of being AFK performing activities which are meant to be active.
:edit: I'll try to clarify in a bit in the news item.
The "going to do your laundry" bit implies that doing any form of ratting whilst not sitting directly at your computer is now illegal. I mean, what if I have a dominix in an anom, and I go to get a drink or make a sandwich? With your definition, it makes it sound like any and all drone activity while you're not at your computer is a bannable offence.
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Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1673
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Posted - 2012.08.09 13:51:00 -
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Dregol wrote:The "going to do your laundry" bit implies that doing any form of ratting whilst not sitting directly at your computer is now illegal. I mean, what if I have a dominix in an anom, and I go to get a drink or make a sandwich? With your definition, it makes it sound like any and all drone activity while you're not at your computer is a bannable offence.
it's fairly obvious that the news item is specifically related to sites that continuously spawn rats, not sites that spawn a set number of waves
not quite a ninja edit: okay yeah it wasn't that obvious EVE Online: Trammel (or NGE) |
Arian Mistacce
Krusual Research and Design
0
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Posted - 2012.08.09 13:51:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote::edit: I'll try to clarify in a bit in the news item. Probably for the best. If you're not aware of the specific complex you're talking about, it makes it sound like you're banning any type of AFK Ratting.
I've seen discussions of people saying that AFK missioning is now an exploit, because it's meant to be active ISK making, and if you're away from the computer you're making it passive.
I mean, it takes me 20 minutes to "Go and do my laundry". I don't think I'm particularly unusual in this. That's not an unreasonable amount of time for an AFK Domi to clear a room. |
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CCP Sreegs
C C P C C P Alliance
2019
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Posted - 2012.08.09 13:52:00 -
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Dregol wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:[
"Specific examples of this include such activities as warping into a particular room in a complex, dropping sentry drones, then going to do your laundry or perhaps watch a 24 hour Lazytown marathon."
I don't believe it's limited to a single particular complex and to be frank if I did do that and they found somewhere else that it worked I'd have to deal with 700 petitions of rules lawyering. In this case what we're specifically concerned about is the ability to make money during long periods of being AFK performing activities which are meant to be active.
:edit: I'll try to clarify in a bit in the news item. The "going to do your laundry" bit implies that doing any form of ratting whilst not sitting directly at your computer is now illegal. I mean, what if I have a dominix in an anom, and I go to get a drink or make a sandwich? With your definition, it makes it sound like any and all drone activity while you're not at your computer is a bannable offence.
UGH, yeah I guess. I'll edit it. This situation really only applies in rather extreme cases. It's impossible for you to be impacted by this if you're engaging in normal gameplay. "Sreegs has juuust edged out Soundwave as my favourite dev." - Meita Way 2012 |
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Dregol
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
9
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Posted - 2012.08.09 13:54:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote:Dregol wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:[
"Specific examples of this include such activities as warping into a particular room in a complex, dropping sentry drones, then going to do your laundry or perhaps watch a 24 hour Lazytown marathon."
I don't believe it's limited to a single particular complex and to be frank if I did do that and they found somewhere else that it worked I'd have to deal with 700 petitions of rules lawyering. In this case what we're specifically concerned about is the ability to make money during long periods of being AFK performing activities which are meant to be active.
:edit: I'll try to clarify in a bit in the news item. The "going to do your laundry" bit implies that doing any form of ratting whilst not sitting directly at your computer is now illegal. I mean, what if I have a dominix in an anom, and I go to get a drink or make a sandwich? With your definition, it makes it sound like any and all drone activity while you're not at your computer is a bannable offence. UGH, yeah I guess. I'll edit it. This situation really only applies in rather extreme cases. It's impossible for you to be impacted by this if you're engaging in normal gameplay.
Yeah, from the thread I've gathered that. When you edit it, feel free to link the blog to this thread to help clarify |
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CCP Sreegs
C C P C C P Alliance
2019
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Posted - 2012.08.09 14:09:00 -
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Dregol wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:Dregol wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:[
"Specific examples of this include such activities as warping into a particular room in a complex, dropping sentry drones, then going to do your laundry or perhaps watch a 24 hour Lazytown marathon."
I don't believe it's limited to a single particular complex and to be frank if I did do that and they found somewhere else that it worked I'd have to deal with 700 petitions of rules lawyering. In this case what we're specifically concerned about is the ability to make money during long periods of being AFK performing activities which are meant to be active.
:edit: I'll try to clarify in a bit in the news item. The "going to do your laundry" bit implies that doing any form of ratting whilst not sitting directly at your computer is now illegal. I mean, what if I have a dominix in an anom, and I go to get a drink or make a sandwich? With your definition, it makes it sound like any and all drone activity while you're not at your computer is a bannable offence. UGH, yeah I guess. I'll edit it. This situation really only applies in rather extreme cases. It's impossible for you to be impacted by this if you're engaging in normal gameplay. Yeah, from the thread I've gathered that. When you edit it, feel free to link the blog to this thread to help clarify
It's republished now "Sreegs has juuust edged out Soundwave as my favourite dev." - Meita Way 2012 |
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Ghost Frog
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
9
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Posted - 2012.08.09 14:10:00 -
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At the risk of escalating this into a shitstorm, I'd like to get clarification about freighters. I have done quite a bit of AFK freighter piloting. In fact, I'm willing to bet the overwhelming majority of EVE players do freighter runs 100% AFK. Will you be ******* with us as well? Because the core of the logic being applied here would seem to fit my situation. |
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CCP Sreegs
C C P C C P Alliance
2019
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Posted - 2012.08.09 14:12:00 -
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Ghost Frog wrote:At the risk of escalating this into a shitstorm, I'd like to get clarification about freighters. I have done quite a bit of AFK freighter piloting. In fact, I'm willing to bet the overwhelming majority of EVE players do freighter runs 100% AFK. Will you be ******* with us as well? Because the core of the logic being applied here would seem to fit my situation.
No, the core of the logic that's being attributed to it would :)
The core of the logic that's actually being attributed here is that this only applies to fringe cases and anyone engaging in normal gameplay is completely unaffected.
Clearly the news item wasn't clear enough about that so I've had it edited. "Sreegs has juuust edged out Soundwave as my favourite dev." - Meita Way 2012 |
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Tanaka Aiko
ICE is Coming to EVE Goonswarm Federation
102
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Posted - 2012.08.09 14:18:00 -
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Quote:You may feel free to feed yourself while playing EVE Online without threat of punishment. you're really generous CCP |
Legiolith
Hard Knocks Inc.
0
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Posted - 2012.08.09 14:27:00 -
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F you CCP Sreegs and F you Richard Desturned and whoever else is behind this or is defending that ******** post.
It's a sandbox. You put in the mechanics and we make the most of them. If a plex is broken, fix it, don't throw bs around that you will ban people for afk'ing while playing this game as 90% of the damn game can be accomplished while beeing afk. INCLUDING SKILL TRAINING, TRADING, MINING etc...
For the record, I dont do this myself and I think it's f'ed up that you can do it. But if you play by the rules, ie. the game mechanics that are not broken, then you should not be banned for it.
So man the f up and change the plex(es?) in question so you can't do it for 23/7 and stop being a-holes and remove that ******** post about banning players for playing by the rules introduced by you. And we will pretend that his never happened and move on...
DO NOT BREAK THIS GAME! I enjoy it. And I am all that matters.
Love, Legio |
Decimat Draconia
2plus2isfive BricK sQuAD.
8
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Posted - 2012.08.09 14:30:00 -
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I agree that the COSMOS exploit needs to be fixed, lets just keep it to high sec plexes though.
If you afk plex in 0.0 you run the risk of being scanned down and podded - this is the beauty of NULL. |
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Decimat Draconia
2plus2isfive BricK sQuAD.
9
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Posted - 2012.08.09 14:33:00 -
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Legiolith wrote:F you CCP Sreegs and F you Richard Desturned and whoever else is behind this or is defending that ******** post.
It's a sandbox. You put in the mechanics and we make the most of them. If a plex is broken, fix it, don't throw bs around that you will ban people for afk'ing while playing this game as 90% of the damn game can be accomplished while beeing afk. INCLUDING SKILL TRAINING, TRADING, MINING etc...
For the record, I dont do this myself and I think it's f'ed up that you can do it. But if you play by the rules, ie. the game mechanics that are not broken, then you should not be banned for it.
So man the f up and change the plex(es?) in question so you can't do it for 23/7 and stop being a-holes and remove that ******** post about banning players for playing by the rules introduced by you. And we will pretend that his never happened and move on...
DO NOT BREAK THIS GAME! I enjoy it. And I am all that matters.
Love, Legio
I think what Legiolith means is that a stealth change that started killing off the afk ships while they tried this exploit may have been more effective than the dev blog :) |
Velarra
Ghost Festival Naraka.
96
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Posted - 2012.08.09 14:35:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote:The core of the logic that's actually being applied here is that this only applies to fringe cases and anyone engaging in normal gameplay is completely unaffected.
Clearly the news item wasn't clear enough about that so I've had it edited.
Within the context of this ruling, what is normal game play as regards shipping of goods?
Fill up Freighter / Industrial with goods in cargo, set AP route for 50 jumps.
How many of those jumps can be done fully AP'd? How many does a pilot have to be at the keys for? |
cheese monkey
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
7
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Posted - 2012.08.09 14:36:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote:Ghost Frog wrote:At the risk of escalating this into a shitstorm, I'd like to get clarification about freighters. I have done quite a bit of AFK freighter piloting. In fact, I'm willing to bet the overwhelming majority of EVE players do freighter runs 100% AFK. Will you be ******* with us as well? Because the core of the logic being applied here would seem to fit my situation. No, the core of the logic that's being attributed to it would :) The core of the logic that's actually being applied here is that this only applies to fringe cases and anyone engaging in normal gameplay is completely unaffected. Clearly the news item wasn't clear enough about that so I've had it edited.
Can i just say...
From a business point of view this is the worst idea CCP has ever had!
SANDBOX = SANDBOX
don't advertise SANDBOX if you are then going to start to list the ways we are not allowed to play!! |
Caellach Marellus
Aideron Technologies Sspectre
581
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Posted - 2012.08.09 14:36:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote: He isn't talking about missions
Pity, AFK missioners should get whacked with the same thing. Enjoy your gaming.
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Aijle Mijleroff
Infernal laboratory Infernal Octopus
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Posted - 2012.08.09 14:36:00 -
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So, CCP Sreegs you delete afk PVE I think you must delete now AFK PVP, I speak about afk covert ops ships in low security systems which threaten another players |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1812
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Posted - 2012.08.09 14:37:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:The solution of course is to implement an "raw ISK hold" similar to the ore holds on barges. Once you generate a certain amount of ISK, you have to dock up and refine that raw ISK into ISK.
The solution of this is to stop releasing half assed half made "AWSUM" content a la "Old CCP way".
I know of at least 1 non COSMOS site behaving like this and made quite recently. And COSMOS too was the definition of half assed half made content to begin with. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1812
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Posted - 2012.08.09 14:39:00 -
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Pisov viet wrote:War Kitten wrote:Pisov viet wrote: Obviously it's not about belts or static complexs in highsec, as both of these only contains frigates, and the income from these is ridiculous. I'd be surprised if you'd get 10m a day killing every frigates of a static complexs.
Obviously you haven't found the ones that have battleships in them. Then MAYBE the problem is CCP placing NPC battleships to kill in highsec. I dont really enjoy reading that CCP starts deciding which way of killing NPCs is allowed and which one isnt.
There are high profit hi sec sites with no battleships too... Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Acid Kanshi
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2012.08.09 14:40:00 -
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This is game design flaw not players fault !
If you want apple shaped water, you design the cup to be apple shaped, you will not design a **** shaped cup and start trying to shape the water inside it as apple shape.
What in the f**k. EVE-Cost is a manufacturing tool for EVE players. http://www.eve-cost.eu |
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CCP Sreegs
C C P C C P Alliance
2019
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Posted - 2012.08.09 14:40:00 -
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Velarra wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:The core of the logic that's actually being applied here is that this only applies to fringe cases and anyone engaging in normal gameplay is completely unaffected.
Clearly the news item wasn't clear enough about that so I've had it edited. Within the context of this ruling, what is normal game play as regards shipping of goods? Fill up Freighter / Industrial with goods in cargo, set AP route for 50 jumps. How many of those jumps can be done fully AP'd? How many does a pilot have to be at the keys for?
Nothing in this news article even remotely hints at anything remotely related to hauling or really any other activity that isn't farming plexes while unattended. "Sreegs has juuust edged out Soundwave as my favourite dev." - Meita Way 2012 |
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Damion Rayne
Lorentz Technology Group
107
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Posted - 2012.08.09 14:41:00 -
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This is complete and utter BS Teamwork.. Maturity.. Tactics.. www.tacticalgamer.com |
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