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NightmareX
Celtic Anarchy Force Of Evil
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Posted - 2009.03.15 14:32:00 -
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Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean
Originally by: NightmareX
Dude an AC Tempest don't use Blasters.
Then reported for off topic comments.
Originally by: NightmareX Are you really that dense or dumb?.
Reported for off topic comments and insults.
Report the guy who asked me the question then instead maybe?.
Oh my god, he's reporting me, where is the waaaaaaaaaambulaaaaance.
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Happster
Polaris Project
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Posted - 2009.03.15 14:33:00 -
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There really are no need for rude comments about the posters in here. If your post is about yelling how stupid someone is, ppl tend to just skip your posts and points. Atleast thats what i do. So please behave.
Instead of doing Quote on Quote and so on, ill try to start fresh.
OP was about gangs if im not mistaken. And gangs today has X amount of falcons to do their jamming for them. BS job in a fleet is to dish out dps and very often do some RR. Also, in gangs you very often has dedicated tacklers. Meaning BS dont really need to tackle. Again, BS need to dish out dps.
Atleast thats how i usally see fleets of 8++ ppl. At this senario i have to agree that the lasers are THE weapon to use. As range doesnt really matter much. If your camping a gate, jumping in a gate, the distance to your target will not matter as the tackler will tackle, all you have to do is lock and get close to your rr buddies. Blasters and AC's has to get closer to targets to do some good dps.
In such a gang, the neuts on your pest will not matter. The ecm on your pest will not matter. All that will matter is dps and EHP and RR. Only thing i can think of that can make pest a better choice is eccm. But dont really sure how effective those are vs a falcon.
But anyway. Just because falcons, tackler and BS fleets are made this way. Does that make lasers overpowered? I think not. To me it is just logic tactic and good use of ships and roles.
A BS fighting in low sec solo has very different roles and attributes then a BS dedicated to dish out dps in a fleet. I allways try to see BS as in a role. Some are snipers, some are solo bs, some are gang bs. Most of the BS fit in a dedicated role. Usally it is what you as a pilot make out of your BS that will dicated how well you perform.
Its like you dont try to kill a fly with a rocket launcher, you user your newspaper or something alike. Works so much better. Same ting with the weapons and ships. Fighting frigs with BS? Are BS really meant to be fighting frigs? Some may be able to, but others not. To me thats just fine. Again, depends on design and roles.
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NightmareX
Celtic Anarchy Force Of Evil
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Posted - 2009.03.15 14:39:00 -
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Edited by: NightmareX on 15/03/2009 14:40:57 Happster, yes it was just one example on what you can do with a Tempest.
There is tons of things you can do with a Tempest in a fleet fight.
With one ECCM and with 2x large remote armor reps for example, it can be very usefull in a RR BS gang. When the ECCM works, then it's really funny.
Heheh, now i'm waiting for sophisticatedlimabean to go omgomg reported for going off topic. But in fact, if you read the first reply to the OP, then we are free to give him some recommendation on other than just Blaster ships.
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sophisticatedlimabean
Gallente Delinquent Habits
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Posted - 2009.03.15 14:40:00 -
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Edited by: sophisticatedlimabean on 15/03/2009 14:42:08
Originally by: Happster
OP was about gangs if im not mistaken. And gangs today has X amount of falcons to do their jamming for them. BS job in a fleet is to dish out dps and very often do some RR. Also, in gangs you very often has dedicated tacklers. Meaning BS dont really need to tackle. Again, BS need to dish out dps.
Mostly accurate.
Originally by: Happster Atleast thats how i usally see fleets of 8++ ppl. At this senario i have to agree that the lasers are THE weapon to use. As range doesnt really matter much. If your camping a gate, jumping in a gate, the distance to your target will not matter as the tackler will tackle, all you have to do is lock and get close to your rr buddies. Blasters and AC's has to get closer to targets to do some good dps.
Also reasonably correct, although range matters a lot in gang combat for dealing dmg and especially avoiding dmg.
Originally by: Happster But anyway. Just because falcons, tackler and BS fleets are made this way. Does that make lasers overpowered? I think not. To me it is just logic tactic and good use of ships and roles.
That is why this thread is about blasters being underpowered and not about lasers being overpowered bud.
Originally by: Happster A BS fighting in low sec solo has very different roles and attributes then a BS dedicated to dish out dps in a fleet. I allways try to see BS as in a role. Some are snipers, some are solo bs, some are gang bs. Most of the BS fit in a dedicated role. Usally it is what you as a pilot make out of your BS that will dicated how well you perform.
And here is the main problem as solo BS combat is non-existant on TQ and has been gone for a long time, making the so called "role" of blaster ships also non-existant.
Its easy to sit on sissi and ask for a 1 v 1 BS fight in FD- local but sissi aint TQ and as such blasters need a buff so they are slightly more effective at a pvp that actually exists on TQ.
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NightmareX
Celtic Anarchy Force Of Evil
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Posted - 2009.03.15 14:42:00 -
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Edited by: NightmareX on 15/03/2009 14:44:46 Edited by: NightmareX on 15/03/2009 14:43:05
Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean Its easy to sit on sissi and ask for a 1 v 1 BS fight in FD- local but sissi aint TQ and as such blasters need a buff so they are slightly more effective at a pvp that actually exists on TQ.
Is it me or do you have a really really big problem with sisi?.
Every damn reply from you now, is with the blah blah from sisi.
Do you want me to call you a sisi noob now because you talk way more about sisi than i do?.
Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean Also reasonably correct, although range matters a lot in gang combat for dealing dmg and especially avoiding dmg.
Yeah resists also matters in gang combat.
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sophisticatedlimabean
Gallente Delinquent Habits
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Posted - 2009.03.15 14:44:00 -
[546]
Edited by: sophisticatedlimabean on 15/03/2009 14:44:56
Originally by: NightmareX clueless rant
/ignore troll
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Happster
Polaris Project
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Posted - 2009.03.15 14:45:00 -
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Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean
Originally by: Happster A BS fighting in low sec solo has very different roles and attributes then a BS dedicated to dish out dps in a fleet. I allways try to see BS as in a role. Some are snipers, some are solo bs, some are gang bs. Most of the BS fit in a dedicated role. Usally it is what you as a pilot make out of your BS that will dicated how well you perform.
And here is the main problem as solo BS combat is non-existant on TQ and has been gone for a long time, making the so called "role" of blaster ships also non-existant.
Its easy to sit on sissi and ask for a 1 v 1 BS fight in FD- local but sissi aint TQ and as such blasters need a buff so they are slightly more effective at a pvp that actually exists on TQ.
Ofcourse! The game has evolved and changed. EVE is totally different today then it was 5 years ago. This is what makes people keep playing and keep paying the bill to ccp. If game had been the same as it was 5 years ago, ccp would not have same amount of costumers as today. Its either you live and adapt or you fall off and behind.
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sophisticatedlimabean
Gallente Delinquent Habits
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Posted - 2009.03.15 14:46:00 -
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Originally by: Happster
Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean
Originally by: Happster A BS fighting in low sec solo has very different roles and attributes then a BS dedicated to dish out dps in a fleet. I allways try to see BS as in a role. Some are snipers, some are solo bs, some are gang bs. Most of the BS fit in a dedicated role. Usally it is what you as a pilot make out of your BS that will dicated how well you perform.
And here is the main problem as solo BS combat is non-existant on TQ and has been gone for a long time, making the so called "role" of blaster ships also non-existant.
Its easy to sit on sissi and ask for a 1 v 1 BS fight in FD- local but sissi aint TQ and as such blasters need a buff so they are slightly more effective at a pvp that actually exists on TQ.
Ofcourse! The game has evolved and changed. EVE is totally different today then it was 5 years ago. This is what makes people keep playing and keep paying the bill to ccp. If game had been the same as it was 5 years ago, ccp would not have same amount of costumers as today. Its either you live and adapt or you fall off and behind.
Exactly.
Blasters need adapting to the game as it is now...
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NightmareX
Celtic Anarchy Force Of Evil
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Posted - 2009.03.15 14:46:00 -
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Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean Edited by: sophisticatedlimabean on 15/03/2009 14:44:56
Originally by: NightmareX clueless rant
/ignore troll
Yeah just ingore that facts dude.
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sophisticatedlimabean
Gallente Delinquent Habits
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Posted - 2009.03.15 14:47:00 -
[550]
Originally by: NightmareX and yet more worthless off topic troll.
/ignore
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NightmareX
Celtic Anarchy Force Of Evil
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Posted - 2009.03.15 14:49:00 -
[551]
Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean
Originally by: NightmareX and yet more worthless off topic troll.
/ignore
Can i join your 'ignore' fan club?.
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sophisticatedlimabean
Gallente Delinquent Habits
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Posted - 2009.03.15 14:50:00 -
[552]
Originally by: NightmareX and still yet more troll
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NightmareX
Celtic Anarchy Force Of Evil
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Posted - 2009.03.15 14:54:00 -
[553]
Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean
Originally by: NightmareX and still yet more troll
....
Question, do you really think your going to get anywhere with the epic spam and trolls you are doing now?. If you do, your in a dream world.
You cannot make me to change my mind anyways.
So try better. Comeon, you can do it.
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sophisticatedlimabean
Gallente Delinquent Habits
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Posted - 2009.03.15 14:56:00 -
[554]
Originally by: NightmareX
more clueless troll
/ignore
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NightmareX
Celtic Anarchy Force Of Evil
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Posted - 2009.03.15 14:58:00 -
[555]
Edited by: NightmareX on 15/03/2009 15:00:15
Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean
Originally by: NightmareX
more clueless troll
/ignore
Can i ignore you to?.
Damnit, i want to be uber awesome on ignoring to.
Dude, help me to be better at ignoring please.
Ok ok ok, i'm gonna stop now, because this is going nowhere.
Keep on ignoring me please. Because if you ignore me, then i can at least say something here without you open your epic troll mouth.
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sophisticatedlimabean
Gallente Delinquent Habits
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Posted - 2009.03.15 14:59:00 -
[556]
Originally by: NightmareX troll
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NightmareX
Celtic Anarchy Force Of Evil
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Posted - 2009.03.15 15:31:00 -
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Edited by: NightmareX on 15/03/2009 15:31:41
Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean Edited by: sophisticatedlimabean on 15/03/2009 15:11:18
Originally by: NightmareX yet more true facts that sophisticatedlimabean can't even answer some easy basic questions that we learn in EVE some few weeks after we have started to play EVE for the first time, faaaaaaaaaiiiiiiiil
That's what we are calling:
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sophisticatedlimabean
Gallente Delinquent Habits
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Posted - 2009.03.15 15:33:00 -
[558]
Originally by: NightmareX Posting rude and offensive images images and trolling.
Reported.
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NightmareX
Celtic Anarchy Force Of Evil
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Posted - 2009.03.15 15:36:00 -
[559]
Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean
Originally by: NightmareX Posting rude and offensive images images and trolling.
Reported.
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Hepren D'narr
Gallente Downfall inc.
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Posted - 2009.03.15 15:42:00 -
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Cant you two stop already? You are ruining a good thread cause neither of you wants to back off. Last blaster-thread got locked up cause of OT; dont make it happen to this one too.
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Larsonist
Darkwave Technologies Doctrine.
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Posted - 2009.03.15 15:59:00 -
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You should definately fly amarr since everyone else is. As a matter of fact im going to start filing petitions to have the other 3 races removed from the game. Larsonist > i still enjoyed the pew pew though, all the pos sh!t ive been doing lately had me feeling like smeagle without his precious. |
Zubakis
Bambooule
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Posted - 2009.03.15 16:01:00 -
[562]
Originally by: Happster
A BS fighting in low sec solo has very different roles and attributes then a BS dedicated to dish out dps in a fleet. I allways try to see BS as in a role. Some are snipers, some are solo bs, some are gang bs. Most of the BS fit in a dedicated role. Usally it is what you as a pilot make out of your BS that will dicated how well you perform.
You said 'solo' and 'BS' in one sentence
Solo is a role of the past.
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sophisticatedlimabean
Gallente Delinquent Habits
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Posted - 2009.03.15 16:04:00 -
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Originally by: Larsonist You should definately fly amarr since everyone else is. As a matter of fact im going to start filing petitions to have the other 3 races removed from the game.
1 day 6 hours until amarr BS lvl5......
Still i always have gallente BS 5 and blasters trained already if i wanna spam FD- local on sissi for 1 v 1 BS fights.......although i prefer to use sissi for actual testing unlike cetain ppl who use it as their main game server.
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Ig Neus
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Posted - 2009.03.15 16:06:00 -
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WTB a Banning ability with 2 uses.
Other than that, I think that we have already discussed this more than needed. Each type of gun should have its advantages. Giving more range / optimal to Blasters is not a good idea. If you have to buff them, give them even more damage.
The current Blaster problem, as me and other people have said above, has a lot to do with available ships and current tanking techniques. Buffing Blasters, buffing Hyperion, nerfing buffer tanking, buffing active armor tanking or any combination of the above would fix any problems.
That said, people who generally station camp rejoice. Megathron is still better at that than any Pulse ship. :P
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NightmareX
Celtic Anarchy Force Of Evil
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Posted - 2009.03.15 16:06:00 -
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Edited by: NightmareX on 15/03/2009 16:06:37
Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean
Originally by: Larsonist You should definately fly amarr since everyone else is. As a matter of fact im going to start filing petitions to have the other 3 races removed from the game.
1 day 6 hours until amarr BS lvl5......
Still i always have gallente BS 5 and blasters trained already if i wanna spam FD- local on sissi for 1 v 1 BS fights.......although i prefer to use sissi for actual testing unlike cetain ppl who use it as their main game server.
Oh look at the bitter person who can't say anything else than sisi in every replies.
Oh hey sisi warrior.
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Larsonist
Darkwave Technologies Doctrine.
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Posted - 2009.03.15 16:07:00 -
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Edited by: Larsonist on 15/03/2009 16:08:15
Quote: The current Blaster problem, as me and other people have said above, has a lot to do with available ships and current tanking techniques. Buffing Blasters, buffing Hyperion, nerfing buffer tanking, buffing active armor tanking or any combination of the above would fix any problems.
Oh wow and here i was thinking it was the fact that webs and mwd(speed) were nerfed on blaster megas causing blasters to somehow suck horridly.
edit: clarification Larsonist > i still enjoyed the pew pew though, all the pos sh!t ive been doing lately had me feeling like smeagle without his precious. |
sophisticatedlimabean
Gallente Delinquent Habits
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Posted - 2009.03.15 16:08:00 -
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Edited by: sophisticatedlimabean on 15/03/2009 16:09:51
Originally by: Ig Neus WTB a Banning ability with 2 uses.
Other than that, I think that we have already discussed this more than needed. Each type of gun should have its advantages. Giving more range / optimal to Blasters is not a good idea. If you have to buff them, give them even more damage.
WTS reading comprehension.
I had not mentioned more range, just more dmg in the ranges they already do. Do not confuse disagreeing with a silly clueless troll with wanting to give blasters more range.
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NightmareX
Celtic Anarchy Force Of Evil
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Posted - 2009.03.15 16:11:00 -
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Edited by: NightmareX on 15/03/2009 16:15:15
Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean Edited by: sophisticatedlimabean on 15/03/2009 16:09:51
Originally by: Ig Neus WTB a Banning ability with 2 uses.
Other than that, I think that we have already discussed this more than needed. Each type of gun should have its advantages. Giving more range / optimal to Blasters is not a good idea. If you have to buff them, give them even more damage.
WTS reading comprehension.
I had not mentioned more range, just more dmg in the ranges they already do. Do not confuse disagreeing with a silly clueless troll with wanting to give blasters more range.
Like that's gonna help much.
They still have to use cap and MWD to get to the targets while they gets melted to the uberpwnage Lazorz. Maybe we should boost the cap and the resists on the Gallente BS'es to while we are at it?. So they don't have to lose so much cap and armor when MWDing to the targets. Yeah, riiiiiite?.
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sophisticatedlimabean
Gallente Delinquent Habits
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Posted - 2009.03.15 16:15:00 -
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Edited by: sophisticatedlimabean on 15/03/2009 16:15:59
Originally by: NightmareX Edited by: NightmareX on 15/03/2009 16:12:01
Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean Edited by: sophisticatedlimabean on 15/03/2009 16:09:51
Originally by: Ig Neus WTB a Banning ability with 2 uses.
Other than that, I think that we have already discussed this more than needed. Each type of gun should have its advantages. Giving more range / optimal to Blasters is not a good idea. If you have to buff them, give them even more damage.
WTS reading comprehension.
I had not mentioned more range, just more dmg in the ranges they already do. Do not confuse disagreeing with a silly clueless troll with wanting to give blasters more range.
Like that's gonna help much.
They still have to use cap and MWD to get to the targets. Maybe we should boost the cap on the Gallente BS'es to while we are at it?. So they don't have to lose so much cap when MWDing.
No need to adjust cap if dmg is boosted as they will be doing more dmg at their longer ranges so will need to mwd less to be effective.....try learning the basics of actual combat before you start trolling and ranting again.
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NightmareX
Celtic Anarchy Force Of Evil
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Posted - 2009.03.15 16:17:00 -
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Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean
Originally by: NightmareX Edited by: NightmareX on 15/03/2009 16:12:01
Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean Edited by: sophisticatedlimabean on 15/03/2009 16:09:51
Originally by: Ig Neus WTB a Banning ability with 2 uses.
Other than that, I think that we have already discussed this more than needed. Each type of gun should have its advantages. Giving more range / optimal to Blasters is not a good idea. If you have to buff them, give them even more damage.
WTS reading comprehension.
I had not mentioned more range, just more dmg in the ranges they already do. Do not confuse disagreeing with a silly clueless troll with wanting to give blasters more range.
Like that's gonna help much.
They still have to use cap and MWD to get to the targets. Maybe we should boost the cap on the Gallente BS'es to while we are at it?. So they don't have to lose so much cap when MWDing.
No need to adjust cap if dmg is boosted as they will be doing more dmg at their longer ranges so will need to mwd less.....try learning the basics of actual combat before you start ranting again.
But hey, they are still gonna melt to the uberpwnage lasers while they are MWDing to the Amarr bs'es. Maybe we should boost the resists to in top of the cap boost, so they don't die so fast.
Riiiiiight?.
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