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Uncle Mo
Raddick Explorations
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Posted - 2008.05.22 09:07:00 -
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Edited by: Uncle Mo on 22/05/2008 09:07:40 What a poor turnout for the very first CSM election. Given CCP's reaction, they seem to be almost happy with the result. As a US citizen I was suprised to see that we had the highest turnout rate given our countries' political apathy. Perhaps it's time to start a discussion on why people didn't vote so improvments can be made in future elections. Personaly I didn't vote because of two reasons. I don't think the CSM is capable of making any significant changes to EVE and I didn't have time to check out every candidates' website. Don't get me wrong, I wish the new CSM's well, but I'm taking a 'believe it when I see it' attitude as far as their abilities to effect some improvements to the game.
So why didn't you vote? |
Veldya
Guristari Freedom Fighters
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Posted - 2008.05.22 09:10:00 -
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Because it is pointless. Don't know any of the candidates, don't care for any reason they want the position and it won't do anything for us anyway. Waste of time and effort, sounds a lot like Faction Warfare. |
Triksterism
Image Not Found
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Posted - 2008.05.22 09:11:00 -
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Originally by: Veldya Because it is pointless. Don't know any of the candidates, don't care for any reason they want the position and it won't do anything for us anyway. Waste of time and effort, sounds a lot like Faction Warfare.
My thoughts exactly. The first time I saw the CSM advertised, I wondered why and wtf would prevent this from being rigged, biased and all of that other fun stuff. |
mama guru
Contraband Inc.
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Posted - 2008.05.22 09:13:00 -
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What the hell is it needed for anyway? |
Adonis 4174
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Posted - 2008.05.22 09:18:00 -
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Originally by: mama guru What the hell is it needed for anyway?
The premise was to have independent observers making sure no more devs hand out valuable commodities to their corpmates. |
New ones
Koln united
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Posted - 2008.05.22 09:18:00 -
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*Not any real point, it was a PR stunt. *I have no idea who i culd vote for(CCP shuld realy have done more to help the candidate's gett the name out) *Again not any real point as they can't du much
I wantet to try and vote, but i didd not see ANY information about the candiats anywhere else on the small forum section, wich was filled with 90% crap.
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Liara Dahaka
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Posted - 2008.05.22 09:19:00 -
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Seems like a good percentage to me. Not like we are voting for the leader of the free world, this is after all just a game. |
El'Niaga
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.05.22 09:21:00 -
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I did vote but I do largely agree with the folks above.
I see it as nothing more than a PR stunt because they can't really base any major game change on the opinion of 9 players, if they did it would most likely be disastrous.
In a way I see it as a step back in player-dev relations for EVE. SWG has had such a system for many years. It is ineffective and most often the community representatives ask the same questions that the community wants year after year without resolution. It's basically another bureaucratic layer to insulate the devs and that's all as far as I feel.
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Chris Bartlett
shadow and flame Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.22 09:23:00 -
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I wanted to vote for Jade constantine, caus its the only name i know, but i completely forgot to vote.
To be honest, the only person i'd really want in a position like that is Chribba, and i didn't see the option to vote for him. No idea who most of the others were. |
YunFu Yan
Yan Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.05.22 09:25:00 -
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I used to play Dark Age of Camelot. They had so called team leads for each class in the game. Those players were ment to help the developers in understanding the concerns of the player base.
They did nothing but ruin the game!
The CSM is a PR stunt and a waste of CCP's resources.
I wish they had just fired T20 back then. That would have delivered the message and the player base would probably have lost alot less (or even regained) trust in CCP. |
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eeevans
Four Rings
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Posted - 2008.05.22 09:25:00 -
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was this the vote for the guys who you take your modules back to so long as you kept the receipt? |
Larg Kellein
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2008.05.22 09:26:00 -
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Limited time that I'd rather spend playing the game than reading "vote for me, I r l33t" blogs. |
Mizear
Republic University
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Posted - 2008.05.22 09:26:00 -
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Originally by: Uncle Mo Edited by: Uncle Mo on 22/05/2008 09:07:40 What a poor turnout for the very first CSM election. Given CCP's reaction, they seem to be almost happy with the result. As a US citizen I was suprised to see that we had the highest turnout rate given our countries' political apathy. Perhaps it's time to start a discussion on why people didn't vote so improvments can be made in future elections. Personaly I didn't vote because of two reasons. I don't think the CSM is capable of making any significant changes to EVE and I didn't have time to check out every candidates' website. Don't get me wrong, I wish the new CSM's well, but I'm taking a 'believe it when I see it' attitude as far as their abilities to effect some improvements to the game.
So why didn't you vote?
I got 2 accounts inactively training atm, I'm sure there are people with multiple accounts forgetting to have voted with their second account.
Besides let the CSM's and CCP prove that the CSM position is worth a grain of salt before I would even get interested. |
Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles Zzz
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Posted - 2008.05.22 09:28:00 -
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Through buying GTCs to start new accounts, it would only have cost about 100bn isk to get a seat on the council, and even less than that to get in as a reserve. |
Caiman Graystock
Quantum of Solace
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Posted - 2008.05.22 09:29:00 -
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Edited by: Caiman Graystock on 22/05/2008 09:30:23 11% is a high turnout I figure, significantly more than are active on the forum anyway.
As for not voting because you don't know the candidates personally and such... well, the same is true of any election is it not? That's why the candidates campaigned and put forward their agendas and such, in order to present a reason to vote for them over others. |
FourthStorm
Viziam
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Posted - 2008.05.22 09:32:00 -
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I voted. But only with one of my three accounts.
I don't think 11% is a poor outcome. Hey, its the first time its done. I don't have a clue what the end result will be, but I'm sure its fun for the CSM to fly to Iceland and get drunk |
Dirk Magnum
Spearhead Endeavors
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Posted - 2008.05.22 09:35:00 -
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Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 22/05/2008 09:35:32 Had I voted I probably would have abstained. I'll vote in the next CSM election based on whether or not the current CSM roster is a total foul-up that gives terrible advice to CCP that CCP would never consider following.
I'm not against the idea of the CSM, but I am wary of it. After much deliberation I didn't feel comfortable voting for any of the candidates (to be fair, it wouldn't have mattered who was running), so I didn't vote at all.
edit: and 11% is an excellent turnout in my opinion. It isn't ideal or representative of a substantial portion of the Eve playerbase, but it's still respectable. |
AlienHand
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Posted - 2008.05.22 09:35:00 -
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who won ?
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El'Niaga
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.05.22 09:38:00 -
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Who Won
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skuko
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Posted - 2008.05.22 09:39:00 -
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i didn't vote because i don't need a CSM
- i trust CCP, they are the sole developer/publisher, EVE is their bread and butter, why would they want to ruin what is paying their bills?
- CCP shows more attention to their game, community, players more than ANY OTHER DEVELOPER OF ANY OTHER MMO I PLAYED (and i played my fair share of mmo's)
- they have been doing good stuff for 5 years now, and i strongly believe, they will continue to do so for at least 5 more years
CSM, not really, thank you for asking...
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Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2008.05.22 09:40:00 -
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Sub 10% is not exactly the highest turnout rate, more like in the bottom five :) US submitted the highest number of votes though, would be scary if they didn't seeing as they are 37% of the player base.
For the first week or more the actual vote button was pretty well hidden and I imagine that ate up a lot of potential votes.
As to what they will accomplish; They will provide fresh eyes on issues that the developers can't solve due to having 'gone blind' from having tried too long. They will bring the player-centric viewpoint into the decision making process, likely to be very different from the DEV/Game/CCP-centric as thoughts are generally shaped by perspective. They will act as a sounding board for some of the wacky ideas the developers sometimes comes up with (Deimos slot change for instance), and they will probably get to chill in the hot springs in Iceland .. never a bad thing.
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J'Mkarr Soban
Proxenetae Invicti
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Posted - 2008.05.22 09:40:00 -
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I notice there is no mention of how many people abstained. If it was higher that the highest winner, I think that should tell them something.
-- These are my personal views and in no way represent the views of Proxenetae Invicti, which maintains a neutral stance stemming from the strong ethics demanded of its work. |
Seetesh
Pixels Docks
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Posted - 2008.05.22 09:44:00 -
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Oh i turned out on the first day to vote for eva. Some people are just so lazy.
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YunFu Yan
Yan Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.05.22 09:46:00 -
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Originally by: J'Mkarr Soban I notice there is no mention of how many people abstained. If it was higher that the highest winner, I think that should tell them something.
You're not supposed to ask these questions!
------------------------------------------------- Yan Enterprises - We mean business. |
Golden Helmet
The Python Cartel
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Posted - 2008.05.22 09:52:00 -
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I voted Abstain. My reasons are the following:
1: Nothing will change. Speaking as a battle-hardened ebil piewate, CCP always has and always will be oblivious to the needs of the playerbase and game, always catering to whatever noobs whine the loudest. OR: The elected officials will all prove to have their own agendas, which will be contrary to the needs of the player base, ******* the small-scale pvp'er over all the more.
2: I don't know or particularly care about any of the candidates.
3: I just plain don't care about this whole CSM thing anyways. Instead of using this time to fix more pressing issues, they used it for this crap.
The Python Cartel is recruiting low sec pirates! |
Rob Otosan
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Posted - 2008.05.22 09:53:00 -
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Edited by: Rob Otosan on 22/05/2008 09:53:45
Originally by: J'Mkarr Soban I notice there is no mention of how many people abstained. If it was higher that the highest winner, I think that should tell them something.
Quote: There were 24,651 votes cast out of a pool of 222,422 eligible voters, amassing a turnout of 11.08%. Of the total votes cast, 869 voters (3.5%) chose to abstain.
Learn to read
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Zattam
S2S
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Posted - 2008.05.22 09:55:00 -
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11% vote turn out probably shows you how many people actually read these forums, or even visit this website. Its a small fraction of the playerbase.
Also, listing the canditates and the voting options on the log-in page would have been a good idea for the lazy. Would have taken 2 seconds to cast your vote.
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YunLi Yan
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Posted - 2008.05.22 10:00:00 -
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Originally by: Rob Otosan Edited by: Rob Otosan on 22/05/2008 09:53:45
Originally by: J'Mkarr Soban I notice there is no mention of how many people abstained. If it was higher that the highest winner, I think that should tell them something.
Quote: There were 24,651 votes cast out of a pool of 222,422 eligible voters, amassing a turnout of 11.08%. Of the total votes cast, 869 voters (3.5%) chose to abstain.
Learn to read
If you REALLY read the numbers it turns out like this:
This so called council got elected by 5.7% of the player base! (12678 votes)
Who the hell are they going to represent??? |
Khan Soriano
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2008.05.22 10:01:00 -
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I think turnout was nice... look at the circumstances:
- This is the first election in EVE, everybody is asking themselves 'WTF? How is guy X going to represent my cause'. Cant blame them but if CSM does some good for this game and we can all observe it, people will follow
- 1/3 Eve population is Chinese miners/ratters/mission runners, they don't visit Eve-O since there is no money/ISK in it
- Another 1/3 are in fact macro miner accounts working for the well being of our great Alliances
- About 1/5 doesn't care about Eve-O altogether but they do care about the game. For them Eve-O & CCP is the SYSTEM you have to fight with so that your life (EVE) will get better
- Lots of those that wanted to make some changes got banned or willingly quit the game waiting for better times, Eve-O is not the only Eve forum...
I'm actually surprised with the numbers... |
Batolemaeus
Batolemaeus Corp
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Posted - 2008.05.22 10:04:00 -
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Originally by: Zattam 11% vote turn out probably shows you how many people actually read these forums, or even visit this website. Its a small fraction of the playerbase.
I think that's the reason. Mostly, people just consume, but have no interest in shaping and putting their ideas into the game. |
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