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Karanth
Eve's Brothers of Destiny FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.05.22 12:39:00 -
[61]
I voted because I want *****ing rights if the thing goes pear-shaped, and that I can feel nice if good things come of it.
(Order of statement is not indicative of views on how this will end.)
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Zephyr Rengate
Prophets Of a Damned Universe
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Posted - 2008.05.22 12:45:00 -
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I did not vote because I saw no reason in doing so, nor could I be bothered to keep track of what they had to say for themselves. I have enough trouble keeping up with RL politics for me to bother diving into pointless PR stunts tbh.
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire I habe no life.
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El Muerte
The Nine Gates
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Posted - 2008.05.22 12:46:00 -
[63]
I ment to vote.
But I was so lagged out that by the time I click the button I was back in my home station.
When I tried to see what happen I got the message "Our records didn't show anything"
Please forgive me.
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HenkieBoy
Enrave Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2008.05.22 12:47:00 -
[64]
I really wanted to vote, but when I opened the selection screen I only saw a list of names and some information about country, alliance, corp...
Why didn't I vote was because the sheer number of people and the list not providing a little description how that guy/girl thought about EVE and what they wanted to change. I simply don't have the time checking out every person, what they stand for and other information.
Hope CCP will change that in the future next time.
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2008.05.22 12:50:00 -
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Originally by: Zephyr Rengate I did not vote because I saw no reason in doing so, nor could I be bothered to keep track of what they had to say for themselves. I have enough trouble keeping up with RL politics for me to bother diving into pointless PR stunts tbh.
You lack vision and you did the right thing and stayed home, let the people with one lead the way.
Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav!
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Sul Trewtis
ANZAC ALLIANCE Southern Cross Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.22 12:51:00 -
[66]
a) Simply didn't get around to it due to RL issues.
b) I feel that the current system works fine though I've got nothing against the CSM. -------------------------------------------------- Civil Disobedience is still Disobedience The most damage is done by those that know how and not why |
Schani Kratnorr
x13
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Posted - 2008.05.22 12:55:00 -
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I did not vote. I voted "NONE OF THE ABOVE!".
In real live I have a 100% tournout for elections. I see it as a duty to vote, and I hope it does make a difference. Real life has nothing to do with EVE though.
I dont think it is fair to ask a computergame community to elect what is essentially a Customer Representation Comitee.
Between blogs on game additions and changes, I simply have to reject anything that is not directly tied into EVE. I play a LOT these days, and I simply cannot keep up. This makes me wonder... are those candidates even more sad than I? are their voters?
I dont want to have to read forums and blogs constantly in order to be informed about the game mechanics/rules. Now I am being asked to do just that. Moreover, I am being asked to judge the suitability of the real life persona behind a character name.
Yes it can be done, but at the cost of staying informed on upcoming game changes and additions.
My view is that one of the first challenges of any democracy, is participation. If you can get people to take an interest, democracy thrives. As a politician you try to involve your community to get them to form their opinions. This in turn results in a more accurate vote.
Actual discussions and introspective analisys on TV go only so far. The voters themselves have to stay informed about the choices they are making. This leads me to the 10% turnout... Ohhh my god. TEN percent? A complete and utter failure. Anything short of 50% turnout of ALL elegable voters is a symptom of voter apathy. (At least in a proper country).
In EVE context we have to ask ourselves:
- why am I voting?
- what powers am I giving this person?
- what can I expect from him?
- who am i voting for?
These basic questions are easily answered in a real-life election because they do matter. When it comes to EVE... well we are only here to avoid real life. To escape our normal lives and enjoy a game.
I have no idea why I am being asked to vote all of a sudden, and linking an obscure PDF file or forum post is not good enough (time contraints mean I would rather read about the actual game).
I have no idea what powers (if any) I am giving the candidates. And I suspect the whole concept is so vague noone else has either (and if they do, they have been reading forums instead of playing EVE *pfffft*).
Because I dont know what powers the CSM has, then I dont know what to expect from my candidates. This leads to more frustration and apathy.
And the final question, who am I voting for? Well I did not vote for anyone. I never ran into them in-game wearing a vote-me pin. I never blew up someone with a "Vote Jade" bookmark in cargo. I didnt see any posters on the billboards, nor did I have a chat with my clone-vat operators about their favorite candidate.
To ask or expect participation in any event not directly related to EVE, is naive. I know the names of severeal of the candidates. I have some idea of the respect they enjoy from the people that know them better.
What I lack, is a sense of who the person behind the character is, and getting to know someone that well is perhaps countrary to the whole concept of escapism (which is part of what games are about).
It is nothing personal, but I do not trust my fellow players to make good decitions on game balance or anything else for that matter. Not because they suck (or not), but because they are... well players.
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Inverc
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.05.22 13:00:00 -
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Edited by: Inverc on 22/05/2008 13:00:20 I generally dislike all kind of politics and don't care about voting usually. But I happened to be on corp chat when this Dutch girl who got 3rd most votes was on and she seemed like a smart and nice person so I voted her.
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Ming TMerciless
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Posted - 2008.05.22 13:01:00 -
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i did not vote , mainly because i dont care, but also i have no idea of the differance between the nominations and dont have time to read what they got to say tbh. I dont have time to read real life manifestos for my goverment and opossition party, so i definatly dont have time to do it in a game. Also i dont vote in real life because all politicians are self serving lying butt monkeys who will say whatever to get your vote then do a huge u-turn on those promises. And in the end 1 vote does not matter with proportional representation (uk).
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Jack Gilligan
Dragon's Rage Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.05.22 13:06:00 -
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Mainly because I have little hope for the CSM, I don't think it really matters, having come from SWG, where there was something called a "senate" that was allowed to propose game changes. Soon as the Devs realized that they were going to have changes that were hugely popular thrown in their face that they didn't want to do, they took this ability away, changing the "senate" into nothing more than a Dev suck up club.
I foresee the SAME thing happening here. It's rather obvious what the first thing the CSM will find immense support for, and that it will be something CCP will NOT want to dedicate the resources to fixing: Lag, desyncs, and bugs.
You can see the direction CCP is going in with worthless expansions like empyrian age, which ignores most of their existing player base, that they want to throw crap into the game designed to appeal to the WOW audience rather than deal with what their existing customer base wants.
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Kale Kold
Vicious Little Killers
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Posted - 2008.05.22 13:15:00 -
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Originally by: Veldya Because it is pointless. Don't know any of the candidates, don't care for any reason they want the position and it won't do anything for us anyway. Waste of time and effort, sounds a lot like Faction Warfare.
This!
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Pliskkenn
Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2008.05.22 13:29:00 -
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Originally by: YunLi Yan
Who the hell are they going to represent???
The people that could be bothered to vote. If you were interested in change don't complain now that the window to vote has gone.
I voted. ---
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Black Scorpio
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Posted - 2008.05.22 13:34:00 -
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Originally by: Adonis 4174
Originally by: mama guru What the hell is it needed for anyway?
The premise was to have independent observers making sure no more devs hand out valuable commodities to their corpmates.
And how exactly are they going to do that? Sit behind each dev 24/7? Don't think so.. hence they have no reason for being.. just some ppl trying to get into good graces with certain ppl, and play important!
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Bombacla
Green Men Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.05.22 13:36:00 -
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I didn't vote because i'm a new player (4months old) and i'm still learning how this game works...and that takes a lot of time reading these forums. I couldn't motivate myself to spend even more time researching all the candidates, following the debates, etc etc etc.
and i rather don't vote than do an uninformed vote
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Ulstan
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Posted - 2008.05.22 13:41:00 -
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Quote: As a US citizen I was suprised to see that we had the highest turnout rate given our countries' political apathy
Lol whut? The US is too focused on politics, not underly focused on it. The way we now live in a 24/7 campaign season is just absurd. The minute one election is decided we race off to prepare for the next one, even though it's a year or two away.
Anyway, there's no shame in not voting because you consider yourself poorly informed on the issues. The shame is in voting even if you know you aren't informed well on the issues.
How is you mimicing a coin toss of any help to anyone?
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2008.05.22 13:48:00 -
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Originally by: Ulstan
Quote: As a US citizen I was suprised to see that we had the highest turnout rate given our countries' political apathy
Lol whut? The US is too focused on politics, not underly focused on it. The way we now live in a 24/7 campaign season is just absurd. The minute one election is decided we race off to prepare for the next one, even though it's a year or two away.
Anyway, there's no shame in not voting because you consider yourself poorly informed on the issues. The shame is in voting even if you know you aren't informed well on the issues.
How is you mimicing a coin toss of any help to anyone?
Newsflash, you never really know anything, you go by assumptions, estimations and sometimes rigid theory, not some absolute truth and core knowledge of someones essence of being. So yes, it's always going to be a coin toss, what you do to comfort yourself and assure yourself about calling it right is up to you.
Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav!
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Taedrin
Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2008.05.22 13:57:00 -
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I *VOTED* because: 1: Why not? --If it's pointless, then there is no harm in voting. --It's not THAT much of a waste of time. You can spend 10 minutes just scanning through a couple candidates and vote for the one that matches your idealogy the closest. The actual process of voting takes less than a minute of your time.
2: The players we vote for will get to meet the devs face to face, and speak with them *directly*. Even if they have no TRUE power (the white paper describing the CSM process admits that EVE is technically a dictatorship with CCP having absolute power over their product), they will at least have the ability to influence the devs through their meetings.
3: While CCP will be very unlikely to change certain things that we want changed (examples: local, cloak, skill queue, alliances in FW, etc etc), they will be able to make changes on things CCP is looking for input on (sovereignty, tweaks to FW most likely)
4: As the voters we can ask them to ask for the devs thoughts on things that seem to have been forgotten, such as the effectiveness of Stealth Bombers, Assault Frigs, etc...
CSM isn't what most people thought it was, but IMO, it will be a very useful tool for us players. It will be a great help in establishing "official" communication with the devs. As it is on the forums, the devs often times do not reply to certain "hot" topics. With the CSM, we can at least force a response from them.
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Bloody Rabbit
Jita Miners
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Posted - 2008.05.22 14:00:00 -
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Originally by: Uncle Mo So why didn't you vote?
I voted with all 3 of my accounts, but my candidate didn't get in.
I'm thinking you all want the macroers to live in eve and that's why you didn't vote him in.
Originally by: Radcjk PvP in eve can be sort of rough. It's closer to bad sex. Usually an hour of two of foreplay followed by 5 minutes of disappointment. And the surprise at the end.
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Andre Marconius
House Of Troy
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Posted - 2008.05.22 14:01:00 -
[79]
Nice turnout, never knew that there were that many anarchists playing Eve
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Ponderous Thunderstroke
Republic War Machine Industries
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Posted - 2008.05.22 14:02:00 -
[80]
Edited by: Ponderous Thunderstroke on 22/05/2008 14:02:51 I didn't vote because the only person that was able to make a real difference wasn't on the ballot...namely, me. So why do I care if Serenity Steele gets to go to Iceland and tell Helmar what a great job he's doing, while Helmar is polishing his Ferrari with $100 dollar bills and guffawing at the Council of Stellar Muppets actually thinking they're making a differance.
Congrats on your all-expenses-paid trip to validate CCP's decisions though! -- "PT, you are a complete and total jerk."
Yes. Yes I am.
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Bloody Rabbit
Jita Miners
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Posted - 2008.05.22 14:06:00 -
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Originally by: Ponderous Thunderstroke Edited by: Ponderous Thunderstroke on 22/05/2008 14:02:51 I didn't vote because the only person that was able to make a real difference wasn't on the ballot...namely, me. So why do I care if Serenity Steele gets to go to Iceland and tell Helmar what a great job he's doing, while Helmar is polishing his Ferrari with $100 dollar bills and guffawing at the Council of Stellar Muppets actually thinking they're making a differance.
Congrats on your all-expenses-paid trip to validate CCP's decisions though!
LOL
go get a job and see that the gaming industry doesn't pay THAT GREAT.
Originally by: Radcjk PvP in eve can be sort of rough. It's closer to bad sex. Usually an hour of two of foreplay followed by 5 minutes of disappointment. And the surprise at the end.
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Ponderous Thunderstroke
Republic War Machine Industries
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Posted - 2008.05.22 14:07:00 -
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Originally by: Bloody Rabbit
Originally by: Ponderous Thunderstroke Edited by: Ponderous Thunderstroke on 22/05/2008 14:02:51 I didn't vote because the only person that was able to make a real difference wasn't on the ballot...namely, me. So why do I care if Serenity Steele gets to go to Iceland and tell Helmar what a great job he's doing, while Helmar is polishing his Ferrari with $100 dollar bills and guffawing at the Council of Stellar Muppets actually thinking they're making a differance.
Congrats on your all-expenses-paid trip to validate CCP's decisions though!
LOL
go get a job and see that the gaming industry doesn't pay THAT GREAT.
If you think that CCP execs are not making fistfulls off of us, you're nuts. Power of Two and that other buddy system promotion together probably give Helmar a giant $$$-woody every time he thinks about them. -- "PT, you are a complete and total jerk."
Yes. Yes I am.
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Ghengis Tia
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Posted - 2008.05.22 14:08:00 -
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I did vote.
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Frost 1232
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Posted - 2008.05.22 14:10:00 -
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Originally by: Jack Gilligan Mainly because I have little hope for the CSM, I don't think it really matters, having come from SWG, where there was something called a "senate" that was allowed to propose game changes. Soon as the Devs realized that they were going to have changes that were hugely popular thrown in their face that they didn't want to do, they took this ability away, changing the "senate" into nothing more than a Dev suck up club.
I foresee the SAME thing happening here. It's rather obvious what the first thing the CSM will find immense support for, and that it will be something CCP will NOT want to dedicate the resources to fixing: Lag, desyncs, and bugs.
You can see the direction CCP is going in with worthless expansions like empyrian age, which ignores most of their existing player base, that they want to throw crap into the game designed to appeal to the WOW audience rather than deal with what their existing customer base wants.
Hay i want gimic's more stuff to do look at, but the Lag fix comes first on my wish list .
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Skyr
Black Plague. RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.22 14:12:00 -
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It is pointless. I don't know or care about any of the candidates.
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Captain Falcord
The Python Cartel
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Posted - 2008.05.22 14:16:00 -
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Edited by: Captain Falcord on 22/05/2008 14:16:22
Originally by: Uncle Mo Edited by: Uncle Mo on 22/05/2008 09:07:40 What a poor turnout for the very first CSM election. Given CCP's reaction, they seem to be almost happy with the result. As a US citizen I was suprised to see that we had the highest turnout rate given our countries' political apathy. Perhaps it's time to start a discussion on why people didn't vote so improvments can be made in future elections. Personaly I didn't vote because of two reasons. I don't think the CSM is capable of making any significant changes to EVE and I didn't have time to check out every candidates' website. Don't get me wrong, I wish the new CSM's well, but I'm taking a 'believe it when I see it' attitude as far as their abilities to effect some improvements to the game.
So why didn't you vote?
Hey hey, stop, it, this is no real life, and there's no point in comparing them.
In real life, voting results have a great impact on you, they can change your life, they matter. Even so, when democracy was first introduced the turnouts were really poor as well in real life.
This is a game, I find it absolutely normal that 90% of the players don't care about voting. Not because they don't care about which changes are going to be introduced, but because they assume the one that "pro" players vote will be correct.
They just can't be bothered to read through it all.
I find it a great success to get a 11% turnout. I was hoping for less than a 5%. I voted Jade, of course after a careful reading of the campaigns. I prefer a 11% of people who read than a 50% of people who vote the first candidate that sounds well, or the hottest chick, or whatever.
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Gabriel Darkefyre
Crystal Ship
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Posted - 2008.05.22 14:21:00 -
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For those of you who decided that the whole thing was a waste of time, you had the chance to make your voice heard in the vote. In fact, 869 People chose that exact option.
They voted to Abstain.
Be it because of not liking any of the candidates, Not knowing enough to make an informed choice or thinking that the whole thing was a waste of time they, at least, could be bothered to vote "None of the Above"
Therefore by the vote only 0.004% of the Eligible Voters voted completely against the CSM.
Oh, and yes, I voted. My Candidate is on the Council.
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sxndy
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Posted - 2008.05.22 14:24:00 -
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What elections? what CSM?
If it looks boring I don't read it and never will.
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Celeste Coeval
The Gosimer and Scarab
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Posted - 2008.05.22 14:28:00 -
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Because I couldn't afford GTC for my alts
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Atolie
Mechanicum Adeptus
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Posted - 2008.05.22 14:42:00 -
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I did not vote, the CSM is just a useless layer between us, the players, and CCP.
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