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Phrixus Zephyr
Prospero Incorperated
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Posted - 2008.05.08 22:53:00 -
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Edited by: Phrixus Zephyr on 08/05/2008 22:56:07
Originally by: AvengeR ofBLooD Which is why in my chosen 'phrases' I never once stated whether Titans should stay or go BUT stated the reality of the issue which is CCP will decide the fate of Titans for everyone based on them making max amount of profit, so why should we worry about it when CCP will handle it whether I agree with their decisions or not.
CCP have a long history of being wrong and taking player comments and discussions on board. There have been scores of overpowered ships and modules that have been changed as a direct result of player comment.
Why worry? I worry because i barely want to play this game anymore precisly because everywhere you go, you run into a ******* titan with a fight aversion pilot.
Originally by: AvengeR ofBLooD SO because of that fact, you will have to either change your play style and tactics accordingly to what CCP adds, removes, or changes .... OR you can just DIE!
Oh thankyou Captain Obvious. How have i surivived without your wisdom.
Originally by: AvengeR ofBLooD BoB chose to adapt and live and excel so that if for example CCP decides to changed all Titans into Shuttles ... BoB will still find ways to KILL you en masse!!
You seem to be under the impression that BoB are the only ones that actually kill anyone in this game. BoBs situation might be relevent to the discussion but i fail to see what point you are trying to make. I get the impression you're one of the only people thats actually bought into Molle's (writer's) horse****.
Originally by: AvengeR ofBLooD And just because we have developed ways to build so many Titans is not an excuse to say they should or should not be nerfed or removed. If I get all my Pawns to the other side of the chessboard because you suck and I don't, will you request to change the rules of Chess to replace all Queens with Bar Wenches.
Hate to break this to you, but you're not the only alliance with an assload of Titans. You just happen to be the first of those alliances whos had their back to the wall.
To use your own analogy. If a queen could take every piece within 3 squares in every direction, in one go, yes i would change the rules.
The fact of the matter is the doomsday encourages and promotes blobbing, it discourages roaming gangs, it discourages fights and it discourages any semblence of fun that comes wih them.
400 people do not spend hours of their time getting ready and turning up for a fight, only to lag out and have 200 of them pop at the click of a button. The only people this is fun, is the titan pilot and people more interested in winning than actually playing the game.
I don't like DD, i don't like it on my side or on my opponents and i've said it was a stupid idea since day one.
When i turn up for a fight i want to chase, evade, manauver and have to fight my way to victory. I do not want to spend my time warping in and out of grid at the whim of a handful of titan pilots.
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Dianabolic
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.05.08 22:54:00 -
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Originally by: Yaay
Originally by: Dianabolic
Originally by: Howling Jinn
Originally by: Dianabolic DD shouldn't be removed.
It should be changed.
Oh, and having artificial limits is far more "game breaking" than NOT having them.
Really.. 700 local limit remember that 1?
The limit that CCP said never existed, yes I remember that.
gosh dian, how many times did we see this arguement with like 450-500 in local... or with 900 in local. guess bob have a sliding scale to dictate their needs.
For alts, proof and facts never get in the way of making themselves look stupid. Reikoku Diplomatic Forums
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TWD
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.05.08 22:55:00 -
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Originally by: HydroSan I'm in BoB
Sup sup o/ hey just want to help out, but it looks like you're not in BoB, as your ticker shows otherwise. Or you posted with the wrong character, that could also be a possibility. |
Apolluon
Gallente Aetas Inculta
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Posted - 2008.05.08 22:58:00 -
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Originally by: HydroSan I'm in GoonSwarm. My alliance whines about Titans. Because of this, I am going to scream "YES" as loud as I can to any nerfing of a shipclass I can't smash enough bodies at to smear their sensors with pod fluid. I will then pat my Goon buddies on the back as we shit out another threadnaught and stack eight pages of CAOD threads in order to mitigate an advantage our enemies worked hard to gain.
I am not biased, Titans are imbalanced, which is why we fail every time we use the exact strategy Titans are designed to counter. So I will whine for CCP to provide us with our advantage, which is numbers.
FYP
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KIAEddZ
Caldari KIA Corp KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.08 22:58:00 -
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Originally by: Dianabolic I hear ya Eddz, I just think that there's a better way of discussing it (ie, with solutions) and a better place (which should be game development, but threads there, on this topic, inevitably end up going the same way). As you say, who knows how to fix it, between the camp of "They're fine" and "whaa we can't beat them so they must be overpowered (and every time we try to build one our money is stolen!)" is the solution.
<3 twd btw :p
In all honesty Diana, I really am not sure if I can put forward a viable solution, and I did read that mega thread on the gaming dev forum, but noticed a distinct lack of posts from people like yourselves and Thug with vast experience in Titan usage/deployment. In fact most people posting potential solution on that thread, seemd to lack even some basic understanding of the Titan Usage Mechanics.
For me this forum is where the shapers of the game "hang out", most of the hardcore EvE PvPers, and as such if we can wade through the smack and childish behaviour, you gotta feel that some decent potential solutions could come from this group of players.
Well, that was the hope anyways hehe
KIA EVE Home
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ardik
TunkbwahCorp GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.08 23:02:00 -
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Edited by: ardik on 08/05/2008 23:02:55
Originally by: TWD
Originally by: HydroSan I'm in BoB
Sup sup o/ hey just want to help out, but it looks like you're not in BoB, as your ticker shows otherwise. Or you posted with the wrong character, that could also be a possibility.
I assume you only replied to that part of his post since it was the only thing you could prove false? In other words:
Originally by: TWD I'm in BoB. My alliance owns 12 Titans. Because of this, I am going to scream "NO" as loud as I can to any criticism of the shipclass and proclaim them to be "whiners" and then pat my other BoB buddies on the back as we shit out another Titan and stack eight of them against our enemies at a time.
I am not biased, and Titans aren't imbalanced, which is why we have so many. I am simply too pro for you to comprehend.
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TWD
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.05.08 23:04:00 -
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No he is quite wrong, we have more than 12 titans (I think). |
ardik
TunkbwahCorp GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.08 23:06:00 -
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Originally by: TWD No he is quite wrong, we have more than 12 titans (I think).
So you agree that titans are overpowered, and that's the reason why you're against nerfs, seeing as you think you have more than 12?
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Idaeus
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.08 23:07:00 -
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Originally by: TWD No he is quite wrong, we have more than 12 titans (I think).
Nuts.
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Ghaelsto Kakram
Mindgamers
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Posted - 2008.05.08 23:08:00 -
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Originally by: HydroSan I'm in BoB. My alliance owns 12 Titans. Because of this, I am going to scream "NO" as loud as I can to any criticism of the shipclass and proclaim them to be "whiners" and then pat my other BoB buddies on the back as we shit out another Titan and stack eight of them against our enemies at a time.
I am not biased, and Titans aren't imbalanced, which is why we have so many. I am simply too pro for you to comprehend.
Oh my, typical Bob double standard arguing. That's sarcasm right? Right?
So how may Titans does Bob need to get 'good fights'? How may Titans cryalition need to get 'better fights'?
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Nicholas Barker
MASS Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service
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Posted - 2008.05.08 23:11:00 -
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Originally by: KIAEddZ
My***** is huge, worship it, i am awesome, the elite.
Nobody here can surpass how awesome i am, if KIA ever get some titans, i will own two of them, and i will put them on my feet and skate around on them while bashing fleets aside with my incredibly large *****.
I AM REIGN!
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Slow Joe
I can't believe it's not a noob corp
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Posted - 2008.05.08 23:18:00 -
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Originally by: Centuri
Originally by: Fitz Chivalry Titans were suppposed to be incredibly rare, difficult to obtain and to be used to turn the tide in huge epic fleet battles, now they are used to pop small roaming gangs.
That's the problem. Titans are not dying because most titan pilots or alliance don't have the balls to use them. The alliances that use them properly in huge battles are the ones that invariably have lost them so far. Therefore I put forward the idea to give titans a "Ball Growing Vat Bay" where they could grow themselves enough balls to actually risk their titans.
Just make titans like rookie ships: you dock your pod in a station where you have no ship, you get a titan. Fully fitted, of course
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thoth foc
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.05.08 23:19:00 -
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Edited by: thoth foc on 08/05/2008 23:19:24
Originally by: KIAEddZ
Originally by: Dianabolic I hear ya Eddz, I just think that there's a better way of discussing it (ie, with solutions) and a better place (which should be game development, but threads there, on this topic, inevitably end up going the same way). As you say, who knows how to fix it, between the camp of "They're fine" and "whaa we can't beat them so they must be overpowered (and every time we try to build one our money is stolen!)" is the solution.
<3 twd btw :p
In all honesty Diana, I really am not sure if I can put forward a viable solution, and I did read that mega thread on the gaming dev forum, but noticed a distinct lack of posts from people like yourselves and Thug with vast experience in Titan usage/deployment. In fact most people posting potential solution on that thread, seemd to lack even some basic understanding of the Titan Usage Mechanics.
For me this forum is where the shapers of the game "hang out", most of the hardcore EvE PvPers, and as such if we can wade through the smack and childish behaviour, you gotta feel that some decent potential solutions could come from this group of players.
Well, that was the hope anyways hehe
These issues are not so much mechanics, but players.. top players will do things harder, faster, better and all the other cool terms you can think of.. and with decent mechanics they will come out on top..
Titans are the current "fad" for ppl to whine about.. there has been the usual "risk v reward" arguements.. but quite simple what percentage of kills in Eve are titans doing... and the simple answer is relatively few.. they currently have strategic and tactical uses..
I personally like supercaps, for the simple reason they are a good ISK sink for the game.. when they die 70% of the ship value dies too.. the borked economy is a much worse problem than titans will ever be ------------------ x-DSMA (Menta) x-CA (OMEGA/BOS) x-.5.(ATUK) BOB (DICE) |
thebold
MASS
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Posted - 2008.05.08 23:21:00 -
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Originally by: KIAEddZ In fact most people posting potential solution on that thread, seemd to lack even some basic understanding of the Titan Usage Mechanics.
You are sorely mistaken, this is not the correct forum, take it to the ideas section. As for the basics of how a Titan works it is not hard to grasp. Step 1) Dictor enemy fleet. Step 2) Titan > Jump to Cyno. Step 3) Titan shouts "I WIN" and aligns for warp. Step 4) Lots of pods and Titan warps out. Augment stage 2 how you like to suite tactics.
The fundamental point you are missing Eddz is simple, the speed mechanics of EVE are once again absurd, I have a corp member that goes 26km/s in a crow... That is stupid. Vagas go a good 10km/s even huggins with quad webs can not stop a BS from hitting a gate. This is all fundamental to how a Titan operates with its Uber fast warp out ability. Remove this along with my POS ideas many posts back and you have a far more balanced EVE. Broadswords can tank ridiculous amounts too.
How ever as stated, though CCP read these forums because they like to know how there game goes, they wont respond here since it is not a game mechanic forum.
Originally by: KIAEddZ
most of the hardcore EvE PvPers
But you explained the other day how you made 100's of billions of isk, the pvpers i know in game would drink a bottle of pain thiner than attempt to do this in the game, Since you seem to love making isk could you enlighten me as to how you lead your alliance on the battlefield, whilst making 100's of billions of isk?
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thebold
MASS
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Posted - 2008.05.08 23:22:00 -
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Originally by: Nicholas Barker
Originally by: KIAEddZ
My***** is huge, worship it, i am awesome, the elite.
Nobody here can surpass how awesome i am, if KIA ever get some titans, i will own two of them, and i will put them on my feet and skate around on them while bashing fleets aside with my incredibly large *****.
I AM REIGN!
yes Nick Eddz is rather awesome isn't he.
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TWD
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.05.08 23:34:00 -
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Originally by: ardik Your
My what? |
Ghaelsto Kakram
Mindgamers
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Posted - 2008.05.08 23:35:00 -
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Originally by: TWD This would be bad for our k/d. To maintain this, we have occasionally DD their fleets while we could've easily beaten them with a regular fleet and/or carriers/MS.
So you're basically building stuff that you don't need really? For your holy k/d ratio?
No one is buying your excuses for this Titan arms race.
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xBlood
Anoint
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Posted - 2008.05.08 23:37:00 -
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I <3 Bob. I dont't even know why
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Centuri
Minmatar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.05.08 23:38:00 -
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Edited by: Centuri on 08/05/2008 23:38:28
Originally by: xBlood I <3 Bob. I dont't even know why
because we fight for the little man, "BOBin Hood".
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Nicholas Barker
MASS Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service
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Posted - 2008.05.08 23:39:00 -
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Originally by: KIAEddZ
Originally by: thebold
The fundamental point you are missing Eddz is simple, the speed mechanics of EVE are once again absurd, I have a corp member that goes 26km/s in a crow... That is stupid. Vagas go a good 10km/s even huggins with quad webs can not stop a BS from hitting a gate. This is all fundamental to how a Titan operates with its Uber fast warp out ability. Remove this along with my POS ideas many posts back and you have a far more balanced EVE. Broadswords can tank ridiculous amounts too.
I think this is a fair point, maing it so a Titan is stuck on the battlefield for minutes after DD'ing will help right now in most engagements, but my worry is when the larger groups have 20+ Titans and even smaller corps/alliances like MASS KIA etc have 2 or 3...
who the hell told you we have 2 titans, ffs people can't keep their mouths closed. ******* recruiters. ---
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Yorda
Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.08 23:46:00 -
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Originally by: Centuri Edited by: Centuri on 08/05/2008 23:38:28
Originally by: xBlood I <3 Bob. I dont't even know why
because we fight for the little man, "BOBin Hood".
Nice troll.
Originally by: nlewis jammers are the meatshield [Bob] wish their pets were
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xBlood
Anoint
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Posted - 2008.05.08 23:48:00 -
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Originally by: Centuri Edited by: Centuri on 08/05/2008 23:38:28
Originally by: xBlood I <3 Bob. I dont't even know why
because we fight for the little man, "BOBin Hood".
THats awesome..cause i live in nottingham lol.
Also, i'm drhnk
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Rebellion
Caldari Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.05.08 23:50:00 -
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Let's face it. The only reason we're having this discussion is because a guy that managed to get his hands on a Titan and TESTED it thinks it makes him the destroyer of worlds.
When Titans first came out, CYVOK, who was the sole authority on it because of his tests said it was useless.
Then Molle's Titan apparently came with different engine and suspension, and it made the rest of EVE cry about how all supercaps were unbalanced.
Then EVE rejoices in the Great Balance that then existed in the game. I mean, any balance that paves the way to BoB's destruction is good, right?
But I guess the flood became a trickle and it seems that BoB can never be beaten now. So there MUST be something still wrong with EVE, right?
Titans are so easy to get if an alliance like BoB under siege by almost all 0.0 alliances manages to keep churning them out, right? It doesn't have anything to do with logistical genius. Let's forget how RA could have had just as many titans if they just stopped selling isk.
Cynojammers and Titans are so unfair because BoB's can't be breached. Let's forget about how BoB took out the goon superduperOMGjammer, it wasn't against a skilled alliance like, say, MC, anyway. Oh wait, let's forget how BoB took out MC's too.
I think I have the solution everyone wants at the tip of my fingers:
The way to fix Titans is to make BoB unable to use them. Just put in code in EVE that will check if someone is in BoB as a result of popular consensus (voting system or whatever) and restrict that person from using a Titan.
However, I think that EVE will still be unbalanced even after that, so I think we should take a step further and just remove BoB from EVE. And in order to prevent BoB from reappearing in a different guise, just have someone systematically kick out any group of players that starts playing well.
/bow
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Shandri Kantrell
Tooth and Claw
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Posted - 2008.05.08 23:50:00 -
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Originally by: HydroSan I'm in GOON. My alliance owns 1 Titans. Because of this, I am going to scream "NERF" as loud as I can to any use of the shipclass and proclaim them to be "broken" and then pat my other GOON buddies on the back as we shit out another Frigate and stack eight of them against our enemies at a time.
I am not biased, and Titans aren't imbalanced, which is why we don't have so many. I am simply too stupid for you to comprehend.
Fixed your post for you. You Goons crow so much about all the territory you took from BoB yet you can't manage to build more then 1 Titan, BoB built 2-4 WHILE you were sieging Delve. It's pretty simple, you wanna avoid getting DDD'd in a cyno jammed system? STAY THE F*** OUT OF DELVE!!!
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Mistress Suffering
Einherjar Rising Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2008.05.08 23:53:00 -
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Originally by: Rebellion Let's face it. The only reason we're having this discussion is because a guy that managed to get his hands on a Titan and TESTED it thinks it makes him the destroyer of worlds.
Yeah, I mean clearly no one else have fought or owned them.
Oh wait...
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ardik
TunkbwahCorp GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.08 23:55:00 -
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Originally by: Rebellion WHINE
Whatever bobbit
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AKULA UrQuan
Caldari Druuge Crimson Corporation
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Posted - 2008.05.08 23:57:00 -
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Since IÆve seen first hand the awesome destructive power of a titan, with an incompetent twit in control. TheyÆre fine.
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Astasia Orian
Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.05.08 23:59:00 -
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Originally by: Shandri Kantrell
Fixed your post for you. You Goons crow so much about all the territory you took from BoB yet you can't manage to build more then 1 Titan, BoB built 2-4 WHILE you were sieging Delve. It's pretty simple, you wanna avoid getting DDD'd in a cyno jammed system? STAY THE F*** OUT OF DELVE!!!
Hey it was more than 4!
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xBlood
Anoint
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Posted - 2008.05.09 00:00:00 -
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Originally by: ardik
Originally by: Rebellion WHINE
Whatever bobbit
null
I fail to see the whine in his post. All he was doingw as mocking the hilarious quoptes that goon members have been using.
<3
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Morris Falter
The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2008.05.09 00:06:00 -
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01:05:00 (Notify) An attempt to post a reply to this thread is already underway.
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