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Razzor Death
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
70
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Posted - 2012.02.24 03:19:00 -
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So I guess its time to give you guys an official response to what is at hand as I can't bare to watch any man be trolled by Riverini be him friend or foe.
2 weeks ago Bat Country decided with the upcoming elections for the CSM that we would do our part to help Dear Leader with his campaign. A few Bats came up with the glorious idea of showing you guys, the people of highsec that as much as we may play our game differently, that we do in fact care about the same issues and want what is best for this virtual world that we all share by attacking the most notorious botting region and inflicting as much pain and suffering as possible to those that violate the EULA and ruin the economy for us all.
As a token of fairness and good will we also decided to create our own reimbursement program where if we happened to kill someone who was not botting by accident that we would pay to replace their ship. Things in this department have been running very smoothly with 4bill+ so far being paid out to those that swear blind they where 'answering the door' or giving 'CPR to their Grandmother' and whilst there was some delay in payment we are quite happy with how this has been managed.
It was planned that once we had managed to reach 1000 dead botters that the campaign would be announced with stats and pie charts for all to bask in but there was one thing we had not accounted for, the chief propaganda minister and self appointed voice of high sec - Riverini. Despite having sent him mails before his "press release" telling him of our intentions and what our campaign was actually about, he took it upon himself to use this situation and the mixed impressions of the High Sec community to go ahead and send a shock wave through the Market in regards to Caldari Ice.
"No, I havenGÇÖt stocked up on Ice yet; a decision I might regret. WeGÇÖll keep an eye on this one. - Riverini" - heh I'm sure.
I think its safe to say that Riverini has made himself and his crew a very nice tidy profit after the scare that he has created via the use of his popular propaganda and CCP endorsed website Evenews24.com and we can only warn people and market buyers to be very careful when using information from Initiative Alliance's "news site" in the future.
I will say on one last final note, that 800 bots have now been destroyed by at most 15 guys with destroyers in the space of 2 weeks. Think about that when you want to sit there screaming at CCP for an impossible to manage situation. This is a Community and Sandbox game and you should approach such problems with those 2 points in mind.
Anyway High Sec, this has been our gift to you GÖÑ
From Bat Country with love
Vote Mittani for CSM
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Endeavour Starfleet
653
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Posted - 2012.02.24 03:35:00 -
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Mitt has been very forthcoming on my questions about incursions while Riverini in my opinion refused to politically defend himself about his involvement in the mothership destroying fleets with stated intentions to harm incursion runners. And instead resulting to childish words.
Therefore while I will never fully trust goons I will say IF you are truly attacking bots you have my thanks. I assume you are gathering data and hitting report bot to give CCP info needed to help to reduce the botting menace?
Botting and RMT remain the true threat to the future viability of EVE and its market.
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Razzor Death
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
70
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Posted - 2012.02.24 03:37:00 -
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All targets where reported |
Ocih
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
95
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Posted - 2012.02.24 03:49:00 -
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I don't believe you. |
Endeavour Starfleet
653
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Posted - 2012.02.24 03:49:00 -
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Razzor Death wrote:All targets where reported
Thank you.
Before anyone screams that "report bot" doesn't work. Let me quote myself from another topic.
Quote:How do you know it is not working? Report bot does not automatically ban someone from the game. It takes an investigation to do it. AND it is better to watch and learn to find the signs that the bot is in use and ban everyone reported that matches it than one at a time.
Also you have to consider that bot makers often will "test" to see how well they can hide their bots similar to how cheat makers make use of the insta ban systems to test theirs. To counter this you dont ban in a predictable pattern. You have to force them to consider more than one factor at a time which reduces the bot's effectiveness.
This is how Valves VAC system works. Once it detects cheating it bans at a random time so you cant determine what caused you to be detected with any real accuracy.
So before you say "Report Bot" dosent work consider the real world before you discourage others from using it.
If more people would report the bots CCP would have better data to address the issue with.
And again
Quote:And even better if a deep investigation can reveal how far the chain goes up and do some real big bans. I look forward to the day where for instance a large amount of supercaps are just removed from the game for having majority bot produced mins in them. When they come and cry on the forums a simple GM response of how they removed some bot material from the game will involve laughter that will be heard throughout the EVE universe.
Yet in the meantime. The situation with botting is sadly just not simple. The best thing one can do is report bots. Ignore any alliance or corp rule that says you cant report blue bots. They do not have the right to tell their members to ignore EULA violating activity. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
158
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Posted - 2012.02.24 06:08:00 -
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Keep up the good work in highsec. Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |
Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
407
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Posted - 2012.02.24 06:18:00 -
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Thanks for the decent and informative post, Razzor Death.
It's not often one gets to read logic and reason in these forums, without the obligatory emo-fits and rages.
I have two friends ingame who were recently hit by your campaign - and subsequently reimbursed as advertised.
Whatever the Goons are, at the very least this campaign has cleaned-up a good portion of the real botters out there.
As for Riverini - the less said about him, the better.
Respect o/
The universe is an ancient desert, a vast wasteland with only occasional habitable planets as oases. We Fremen, comfortable with deserts, shall now venture into another. - STILGAR, From the Sietch to the Stars. |
Valentyn3
49
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Posted - 2012.02.24 06:23:00 -
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Thumbs up if true.
I still feel the reasons behind the campaign are less benevolent than advertised but it's nice to see it's not as "scorched earth" as people have painted it. EvE why u no obey Newtonian Physics? |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
309
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Posted - 2012.02.24 06:43:00 -
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First of all, grats to Khan Farshatok for breaking 2k points score!
Second, Riverini comes way, way late in the news (Feb 16).
I sort of started the whole stuff on Feb 11 and then made it much more visible on GD on Feb 15, 1 day before that blog.
As investor, I have to enter the markets (nitro isotopes in this case) before others do, therefore I try to find out those opportunities as fast as possible and possibly, to help them bloom.
Razzor Death wrote:All targets where reported
I am sure you killed a number of non bots (I kept my own statistics, some of those you popped mined for 2h a day and chatted in local). Did you report them as bots anyway? I see the "reimbursment" thing but if they get banned for something they did not know, it won't help to have some 100M ship back. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Endeavour Starfleet
658
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Posted - 2012.02.24 06:51:00 -
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Valentyn3 wrote:Thumbs up if true.
I still feel the reasons behind the campaign are less benevolent than advertised but it's nice to see it's not as "scorched earth" as people have painted it.
The side stuff is in game stuff the goons usually do. What is important to me is if they have developed a way to detect bots en masse on atleast a semireliable basis and report them. That will have a positive impact on the game for everyone.
Let's be real here. The way that bots operate they can replace losses quickly. It is the data the CCP can use to help identify who and how people are botting that will lead to far more involved being banned.
Botting is a serious and very complicated issue. Remember the best thing we ALL can do is gather data and hit report bot when we are reasonably sure a bot is involved.
And no I am NOT going to ask what steps the Goons take on identifying bots. You have to understand that bot makers are constantly on the hunt for info that can lead them to better hide their bots. |
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Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
412
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Posted - 2012.02.24 07:22:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:First of all, grats to Khan Farshatok for breaking 2k points score! Second, Riverini comes way, way late in the news (Feb 16). I sort of started the whole stuff on Feb 11 and then made it much more visible on GD on Feb 15, 1 day before that blog. As investor, I have to enter the markets (nitro isotopes in this case) before others do, therefore I try to find out those opportunities as fast as possible and possibly, to help them bloom. Razzor Death wrote:All targets where reported I am sure you killed a number of non bots (I kept my own statistics, some of those you popped mined for 2h a day and chatted in local). Did you report them as bots anyway? I see the "reimbursment" thing but if they get banned for something they did not know, it won't help to have some 100M ship back. They are goons, collateral damage was inevitable. Your gonna have to just trust CCP to investigate the reports before they hit the ban button(and that those 2h a day players weren't botting for 2h a day, tho that would make no sense). Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
2641
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Posted - 2012.02.24 08:00:00 -
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If only you were able to hit the spam bots too that sit in station 23.5/7 spamming...
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Alara IonStorm
1673
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Posted - 2012.02.24 08:15:00 -
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Chribba wrote:If only you were able to hit the spam bots too that sit in station 23.5/7 spamming... That would take a lot of Tornados to Whelp a Station...
If a Station could be Whelped that is...
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Valentyn3
49
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Posted - 2012.02.24 08:22:00 -
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Endeavour Starfleet wrote:Valentyn3 wrote:Thumbs up if true.
I still feel the reasons behind the campaign are less benevolent than advertised but it's nice to see it's not as "scorched earth" as people have painted it. The side stuff is in game stuff the goons usually do. What is important to me is if they have developed a way to detect bots en masse on atleast a semireliable basis and report them. That will have a positive impact on the game for everyone. Let's be real here. The way that bots operate they can replace losses quickly. It is the data the CCP can use to help identify who and how people are botting that will lead to far more involved being banned. Botting is a serious and very complicated issue. Remember the best thing we ALL can do is gather data and hit report bot when we are reasonably sure a bot is involved. And no I am NOT going to ask what steps the Goons take on identifying bots. You have to understand that bot makers are constantly on the hunt for info that can lead them to better hide their bots.
I'm sure it's what ever most GM's in mmos look for such as repetitive actions, long activity with no break ect. People can program bots to have more randomness or take long breaks like a player would but the more human they act, the more that eats into time they could be farming money.
I'd say a great indicator is no reaction to being targeted when the guy next to you just got popped. EvE why u no obey Newtonian Physics? |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
310
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Posted - 2012.02.24 08:57:00 -
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Valentyn3 wrote: I'd say a great indicator is no reaction to being targeted when the guy next to you just got popped.
This only applies to minerals mining. Ice miners have like 12 to 18 minutes long cycles, you could pop half a belt before they alt tab back to check what's going on.
Edit: actually, while a real pilot will not stay forever watching paint ehm roids dry, a bot can be programmed to always check for flagged corp / ship kinds in local / arriving at belt and warp out. So the bot escapes, the real player does not.
Besides the "23/7" and the calling pilots with patterns (i.e. Joe01, Joe02 etc) I don't see any way to discern between a bot and an human.
Only basic way is to pop them and see if the pod keeps going from belt to station and vice versa, but I have noticed some bots now detect the pop and don't warp the pod to belt. They stay just outside of the station. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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The Groundskeeper
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
49
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Posted - 2012.02.24 09:40:00 -
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The people conducting this campaign against ice-botting have lived in these systems for over a fortnight, now. They know the lil' dudes who are just logging in for an hour or two, and who warp off when scanned, and they know the ones who log in four minutes after downtime and mine nonstop through the timezones with convos turned off, even if you use a 100mn MWD cruiser to bump them 70km from the belt. |
Landrae
Sinners Among Saints
298
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Posted - 2012.02.24 09:57:00 -
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Razzor Death wrote: Things in this department have been running very smoothly with 4bill+ imaginary isk so far being paid out
Fixed
My cow collapsed, and now there's a human to animal infection outbreak among illegal immigrants. |
Razzor Death
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
87
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Posted - 2012.02.24 10:02:00 -
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Thorn Galen wrote:
I have two friends ingame who were recently hit by your campaign - and subsequently reimbursed as advertised.
Landrae wrote:Razzor Death wrote: Things in this department have been running very smoothly with 4bill+ imaginary isk so far being paid out
Fixed
Is that you Riv ? |
Mara Tessidar
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
492
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Posted - 2012.02.24 10:03:00 -
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01000100 01000101 01000001 01010100 01001000 00100000 01010100 01001111 00100000 01010100 01001000 01000101 00100000 01001101 01000001 01000011 01001000 01001001 01001110 01000101 01010011 http://goo.gl/uX5vk |
Midge Mo'yb
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
87
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Posted - 2012.02.24 10:03:00 -
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Landrae wrote:Razzor Death wrote: Things in this department have been running very smoothly with 4bill+ imaginary isk so far being paid out
Fixed
As Finance Minister and Second in Command of Bat Country, i beg to differ as i personally have proccessed all payments that the Dispute panel have agreed were executed in error.
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Eolithic WithaTwist
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.02.24 10:10:00 -
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Midge Mo'yb wrote:
As Finance Minister and Second in Command of Bat Country, i beg to differ as i personally have proccessed all payments that the Dispute panel have agreed were executed in error.
Goon propaganda at its finest. |
Razzor Death
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
90
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Posted - 2012.02.24 10:18:00 -
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Fun fact: 121billion has not been sold on the RMT market this fortnight.
While this maybe just a splash in the pond imagine what 4 corps of 15 guys could do in a month.
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Cebraio
Starfire Oasis
34
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Posted - 2012.02.24 10:26:00 -
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Midge Mo'yb wrote: As Finance Minister and Second in Command of Bat Country, i beg to differ as i personally have proccessed all payments that the Dispute panel have agreed were executed in error.
Unfortunately for you, nobody believes in goon's words - except, of course, the guys you successfully scam.
Anyway, I am willing to believe in Razzor Death's words (for once) and say: Nice work |
Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
85
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Posted - 2012.02.24 10:59:00 -
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Any work done to remove or explode BOTs is good work worth doing.
So grats and thanks to Bat Country for all the BOTs you exploded.
Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. |
Caldari Acolyte
Perkone Caldari State
16
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Posted - 2012.02.24 12:29:00 -
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Since the Huge Spring offensive against Deklien is aproaching, the Ice interdiction won't last much longer, Mittani will need all his sheep to defend it. |
Razzor Death
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
96
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Posted - 2012.02.24 12:30:00 -
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Caldari Acolyte wrote:Since the Huge Spring offensive against Deklien is aproaching, the Ice interdiction won't last much longer, Mittani will need all his sheep to defend it.
Outstanding |
Jonah Gravenstein
47
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Posted - 2012.02.24 13:11:00 -
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Nice work Bat Country, bots are the lowest of the low and it's nice to see that you're reimbursing those that you pop in error. War hasn't been fought this badly since Olaf the Hairy, High Chief of all the Vikings, accidentally ordered 80,000 battle helmets with the horns on the inside. |
Midge Mo'yb
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
88
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Posted - 2012.02.24 16:24:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Nice work Bat Country, bots are the lowest of the low and it's nice to see that you're reimbursing those that you pop in error.
Our Pleasure. |
The Sardukar
State Protectorate Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.02.24 16:32:00 -
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Chribba wrote:If only you were able to hit the spam bots too that sit in station 23.5/7 spamming...
Not to mention the ratting bots running around Deklein and surrounding regions |
Razzor Death
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
97
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Posted - 2012.02.24 16:36:00 -
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The Sardukar wrote:Chribba wrote:If only you were able to hit the spam bots too that sit in station 23.5/7 spamming... Not to mention the ratting bots running around Deklein and surrounding regions
heh let me guess, you read that on Evenew24 the site most famous for publishing a full blown guide on botting.
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The Sardukar
State Protectorate Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.02.24 16:37:00 -
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Razzor Death wrote:The Sardukar wrote:Chribba wrote:If only you were able to hit the spam bots too that sit in station 23.5/7 spamming... Not to mention the ratting bots running around Deklein and surrounding regions heh let me guess, you read that on Evenew24 the site most famous for publishing a full blown guide on botting.
You guess wrong |
Caldari Citizen 786478786
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
80
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Posted - 2012.02.24 17:30:00 -
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Nobody but a Goon or his nut hugging fanboys would believe that what Bat Country is doing is philanthropic in any way, shape or form. If you've managed to convince even one person that what you're doing is anything but selfish and lazy (yes, padding your killboard with easily gankable Mackinaws is the height of laziness) then you've done a serious disservice to the integrity of these forums. Please return to the basements you crawled out of forthwith. |
Krios Ahzek
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
670
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Posted - 2012.02.24 17:31:00 -
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Caldari Citizen 786478786 wrote:Nobody but a Goon or his nut hugging fanboys would believe that what Bat Country is doing is philanthropic in any way, shape or form. If you've managed to convince even one person that what you're doing is anything but selfish and lazy (yes, padding your killboard with easily gankable Mackinaws is the height of laziness) then you've done a serious disservice to the integrity of these forums. Please return to the basements you crawled out of forthwith.
Salvaging the T2 wrecks makes this a profitable profession
-áThough All Men Do Despise Us |
Razzor Death
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
98
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Posted - 2012.02.24 17:32:00 -
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Thanks for your opinion Mr Alt o7o7o7 |
baltec1
694
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Posted - 2012.02.24 17:42:00 -
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Caldari Citizen 786478786 wrote:Nobody but a Goon or his nut hugging fanboys would believe that what Bat Country is doing is philanthropic in any way, shape or form. If you've managed to convince even one person that what you're doing is anything but selfish and lazy (yes, padding your killboard with easily gankable Mackinaws is the height of laziness) then you've done a serious disservice to the integrity of these forums. Please return to the basements you crawled out of forthwith.
Having a full kb is a nice thing to have however the tears of banned bots is a far greater reward. |
Xolve
The Suicide Kings Test Alliance Please Ignore
922
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Posted - 2012.02.24 17:48:00 -
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Caldari Acolyte wrote:Since the Huge Spring offensive against Deklien is aproaching, the Ice interdiction won't last much longer, Mittani will need all his sheep to defend it.
Oh hello there, Riverini/Snot Shot Inappropriate signature removed. Navigator. |
Deen Wispa
Screaming War Eagles Incorporated
146
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Posted - 2012.02.24 17:58:00 -
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Propagandist waging war on other propagandist. How ironic.
Keep up the good work on botting. Still doesn't change my voting stance though. If you want Empire and FW space enhanced, Hans Jagerblitzen for CSM7 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=66900&find=unread |
Xolve
The Suicide Kings Test Alliance Please Ignore
922
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Posted - 2012.02.24 18:05:00 -
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Deen Wispa wrote:Propagandist waging war on other propagandist. How ironic.
Keep up the good work on botting. Still doesn't change my voting stance though. It's obvious your trying to associate your good deeds here with your CSM candidate to garner more votes. It might work on a few lemmings but probably won't garner alot of votes.
I love the fact you actually think Mittens doesn't have enough votes already.
I for one, welcome our old-new Goon Overlord. Inappropriate signature removed. Navigator. |
Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
131
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Posted - 2012.02.24 18:09:00 -
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The Sardukar wrote:Chribba wrote:If only you were able to hit the spam bots too that sit in station 23.5/7 spamming... Not to mention the ratting bots running around Deklein and surrounding regions
Since you're obviously making all this effort to fly up to Deklein and scout out these alleged bots, why don't you take the next step and report them? |
RogueAnt
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
15
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Posted - 2012.02.24 18:31:00 -
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Razzor Death wrote:The Sardukar wrote:Chribba wrote:If only you were able to hit the spam bots too that sit in station 23.5/7 spamming... Not to mention the ratting bots running around Deklein and surrounding regions heh let me guess, you read that on Evenew24 the site most famous for publishing a full blown guide on botting.
I was there! |
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Therese Ishihara
New Eden Defense Systems
2
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Posted - 2012.02.24 18:39:00 -
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Congrats on the short term campaign, but they will be back. In order to be effective, I think this would have to be a prolonged campaign. |
The Sardukar
State Protectorate Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.02.24 18:40:00 -
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The Sardukar wrote:Razzor Death wrote:The Sardukar wrote:Chribba wrote:If only you were able to hit the spam bots too that sit in station 23.5/7 spamming... Not to mention the ratting bots running around Deklein and surrounding regions heh let me guess, you read that on Evenew24 the site most famous for publishing a full blown guide on botting. You guess wrong
"One of our illustrious members (let's call him "Ibertizzle") keeps losing Tengus to Russians and French people. This is a sensitive - even a touchy - subject, so let me say that while he is, indeed, a keen ratter - a very keen ratter if we are honest - we have one rule in Goonswarm: we don't f u c k other goons. Oh and we don't play cop for CCP in their own game by reporting or petitioning goons, either: that's Darius Johnson's job."
The Mittani, September 28, 2011 (source: Kugu) |
Little Brat
The Mighty
3
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Posted - 2012.02.24 18:56:00 -
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Razzor...thank you for a job well done, I hope you continue. As time goes by, and much to my dismay, I am beginning to respect the play style of your corp and alliance. Though I will never join you, you do indeed add drama and emotion to our world. One way I have determined who is a bot is by attempting to "start conversation", which is refused at light speed...in a social game. Just another indicator. Regards -á-áad astra per aspera |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
1266
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Posted - 2012.02.24 19:03:00 -
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Hello Razzor.
So this explains why I am finding Russian mission/complex bots in high sec. They warp off the moment someone enters the mission room.
Thus it's hard to gank a T3 cruiser.
Good luck in your endeavors.
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Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1100
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Posted - 2012.02.24 19:18:00 -
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While I am skeptical as to whether this is actually true I would support Goonswarms efforts in such an endeavor. I would also join them on such incursions if I had even the slightest trust in them not to pod me at the end just because they can. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
Feligast
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1120
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Posted - 2012.02.24 19:42:00 -
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The Sardukar wrote::words:)
Reported for evading the profanity filter. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
164
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Posted - 2012.02.24 19:52:00 -
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Just use an alt and get skills that fit in an alpha clone :) There are indeed plans for destroyer gankers and even tornado gankers that have been optimized around alphaclones. Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |
Deen Wispa
Screaming War Eagles Incorporated
146
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Posted - 2012.02.24 19:57:00 -
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Xolve wrote:Deen Wispa wrote:Propagandist waging war on other propagandist. How ironic.
Keep up the good work on botting. Still doesn't change my voting stance though. It's obvious your trying to associate your good deeds here with your CSM candidate to garner more votes. It might work on a few lemmings but probably won't garner alot of votes. I love the fact you actually think Mittens doesn't have enough votes already. I for one, welcome our old-new Goon Overlord.
I love the fact that Mittens/Goons doesn't think he has enough votes already. If you want Empire and FW space enhanced, Hans Jagerblitzen for CSM7 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=66900&find=unread |
Razzor Death
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
107
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Posted - 2012.02.24 20:03:00 -
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I love the fact that you're so upset about killing bots |
None ofthe Above
81
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Posted - 2012.02.24 20:06:00 -
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Deen Wispa wrote:
I love the fact that Mittens/Goons doesn't think he has enough votes already.
I noticed that too.
I think he is aware that if the EVE-community can overcome it's inertia, it's tendency towards apathy, his reign as chairman for life will be short.
It can be done. EVE get off your asses and vote this time!
Even None ofthe Above supports Hans Jagerblitzen for CSM7! |
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None ofthe Above
81
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Posted - 2012.02.24 20:08:00 -
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Razzor Death wrote:I love the fact that you're so upset about killing bots
I am curious, do you document your reimbursements to folk who you decide where not bots?
I confess to being skeptical about your claims process.
Even None ofthe Above supports Hans Jagerblitzen for CSM7! |
Razzor Death
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
107
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Posted - 2012.02.24 20:10:00 -
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I confess to being sceptical about your ability to make a good post. |
Xolve
The Suicide Kings Test Alliance Please Ignore
924
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Posted - 2012.02.24 20:14:00 -
[53] - Quote
I confess that Bat ****-Tree is full of honorable internet spaceship samaurai. Inappropriate signature removed. Navigator. |
None ofthe Above
81
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Posted - 2012.02.24 21:20:00 -
[54] - Quote
Razzor Death wrote:I confess to being sceptical about your ability to make a good post.
Ah so that's how it is then.
The "we are killing bots" is just a cover for your need to bully any one weaker than you and visceral need to blow stuff up? You don't really care whether its bots or people you are attacking.
Disappointing but not unexpected.
Even None ofthe Above supports Hans Jagerblitzen for CSM7! |
The Sardukar
State Protectorate Caldari State
0
|
Posted - 2012.02.24 21:22:00 -
[55] - Quote
Feligast wrote:The Sardukar wrote::words:) Reported for evading the profanity filter.
Unpleasant quote isnt it? |
baltec1
697
|
Posted - 2012.02.24 21:31:00 -
[56] - Quote
None ofthe Above wrote:Razzor Death wrote:I confess to being sceptical about your ability to make a good post. Ah so that's how it is then. The "we are killing bots" is just a cover for your need to bully any one weaker than you and visceral need to blow stuff up? Disappointing but not unexpected.
Are you one of those psychological health champions who ban winning on school sports days because it will upset the mental state of 6 year olds and discriminate against the children who are not as fast and/or fat? |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
1266
|
Posted - 2012.02.24 22:03:00 -
[57] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:None ofthe Above wrote:Razzor Death wrote:I confess to being sceptical about your ability to make a good post. Ah so that's how it is then. The "we are killing bots" is just a cover for your need to bully any one weaker than you and visceral need to blow stuff up? Disappointing but not unexpected. Are you one of those psychological health champions who ban winning on school sports days because it will upset the mental state of 6 year olds and discriminate against the children who are not as fast and/or fat?
What you just defined is the foundational doctrine of carebearism. |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1100
|
Posted - 2012.02.24 22:09:00 -
[58] - Quote
Feligast wrote:The Sardukar wrote::words:) Reported for evading the profanity filter. "One of our illustrious members (let's call him "Ibertizzle") keeps losing Tengus to Russians and French people. This is a sensitive - even a touchy - subject, so let me say that while he is, indeed, a keen ratter - a very keen ratter if we are honest - we have one rule in Goonswarm: we don't **** other goons. Oh and we don't play cop for CCP in their own game by reporting or petitioning goons, either: that's Darius Johnson's job."
The Mittani, September 28, 2011 (source: Kugu)
There I fixed it just for you. Or do you want to report me as well? I do find it ironic that one of the most proliferent (by admission of their own leader) alliances when it comes to botting can lead a war against bots. But I wouldn't expect them to go around killing their own guys. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
Feligast
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1124
|
Posted - 2012.02.24 22:13:00 -
[59] - Quote
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:Feligast wrote:The Sardukar wrote::words:) Reported for evading the profanity filter. "One of our illustrious members (let's call him "Ibertizzle") keeps losing Tengus to Russians and French people. This is a sensitive - even a touchy - subject, so let me say that while he is, indeed, a keen ratter - a very keen ratter if we are honest - we have one rule in Goonswarm: we don't **** other goons. Oh and we don't play cop for CCP in their own game by reporting or petitioning goons, either: that's Darius Johnson's job." The Mittani, September 28, 2011 (source: Kugu) There I fixed it just for you. Or do you want to report me as well? I do find it ironic that one of the most proliferent (by admission of their own leader) alliances when it comes to botting can lead a war against bots. But I wouldn't expect them to go around killing their own guys.
Point to the word "bot" in that quote, please.
I'll wait. |
The Sardukar
State Protectorate Caldari State
2
|
Posted - 2012.02.24 22:25:00 -
[60] - Quote
Feligast wrote: Point to the word "bot" in that quote, please.
I'll wait.
Dont worry. Most people get it, even if you dont. |
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Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
414
|
Posted - 2012.02.24 22:28:00 -
[61] - Quote
Razzor Death wrote:A few Bats came up with the glorious idea of showing you guys, the people of highsec that as much as we may play our game differently, that we do in fact care about the same issues and want what is best for this virtual world that we all share by attacking the most notorious botting region and inflicting as much pain and suffering as possible to those that violate the EULA and ruin the economy for us all. no deployment necessary, just jump clone to Deklein and hit 'undock' |
The Sardukar
State Protectorate Caldari State
3
|
Posted - 2012.02.24 22:32:00 -
[62] - Quote
Another gem from the same post:
"But if it were the case that he had been ratting just a little too exuberantly for peoples' liking, or if he had offended them by consistently ignoring their conversation requests for a brief window of, say, seventeen or eighteen hours, for instance, then it would be goon-****ing to report him or to kill him. This will land you and your corp in trouble"
The Mittani, September 28th, 2011 |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
414
|
Posted - 2012.02.24 22:45:00 -
[63] - Quote
lol anyone with a post on the first pagee wanna just edit their posts to add these quotes so we can escort this thread to the 0wnzone? |
The Groundskeeper
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
52
|
Posted - 2012.02.24 22:49:00 -
[64] - Quote
The Sardukar wrote:The Sardukar wrote:Razzor Death wrote:The Sardukar wrote:Chribba wrote:If only you were able to hit the spam bots too that sit in station 23.5/7 spamming... Not to mention the ratting bots running around Deklein and surrounding regions heh let me guess, you read that on Evenew24 the site most famous for publishing a full blown guide on botting. You guess wrong "One of our illustrious members (let's call him "Ibertizzle") keeps losing Tengus to Russians and French people. This is a sensitive - even a touchy - subject, so let me say that while he is, indeed, a keen ratter - a very keen ratter if we are honest - we have one rule in Goonswarm: we don't f u c k other goons. Oh and we don't play cop for CCP in their own game by reporting or petitioning goons, either: that's Darius Johnson's job." The Mittani, September 28, 2011 (source: Kugu)
You are a re_tard or a liar. The Mittani never said that. I should know. |
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
228
|
Posted - 2012.02.24 22:50:00 -
[65] - Quote
Chribba wrote:If only you were able to hit the spam bots too that sit in station 23.5/7 spamming...
Refit the Veldnaught for combat/seiging and welp the station!
I are kyute kitten! I are in ur mishun! Redoosin' teh lag by ninja'ing ur wrekz! (CCP: Make wrecks probable, and after 30min., tractorable.) |
baltec1
703
|
Posted - 2012.02.24 22:52:00 -
[66] - Quote
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:lol anyone with a post on the first pagee wanna just edit their posts to add these quotes so we can escort this thread to the 0wnzone?
We have destroyed hundreds of bots. What have you done to help EVE? |
The Groundskeeper
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
52
|
Posted - 2012.02.24 22:52:00 -
[67] - Quote
To clarify, both those quotes were by me. Not the Mittani. They are taken out of context, obviously, to pretend that they endorse botting, but I am not The MIttani, so don't pretend that they are his words or that the very fine post they are taken from is his. |
Razzor Death
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
109
|
Posted - 2012.02.24 22:54:00 -
[68] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:lol anyone with a post on the first pagee wanna just edit their posts to add these quotes so we can escort this thread to the 0wnzone? We have destroyed hundreds of bots. What have you done to help EVE?
He blued all the major known botting Alliances of the south and wondered why they couldn't hold off one Alliance in Delve. |
Janis Ezra
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
19
|
Posted - 2012.02.24 22:56:00 -
[69] - Quote
Razzor Death wrote:Razzor Death Bat Country Goonswarm Federation Likes received: 108
Maybe you should start to clean up your own ratting bot infested space first, before you start annoying highsecers. |
The Groundskeeper
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
52
|
Posted - 2012.02.24 22:56:00 -
[70] - Quote
The Sardukar wrote:Another gem from the same post:
"But if it were the case that he had been ratting just a little too exuberantly for peoples' liking, or if he had offended them by consistently ignoring their conversation requests for a brief window of, say, seventeen or eighteen hours, for instance, then it would be goon-****ing to report him or to kill him. This will land you and your corp in trouble"
The Mittani, September 28th, 2011
Not only was that post not by Mittens either (again, it was by me), perhaps you should check and find out that the person in question was removed from our alliance. |
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
164
|
Posted - 2012.02.24 23:00:00 -
[71] - Quote
Now now, I hope you've all remembered to buy that caldari ice. Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
228
|
Posted - 2012.02.24 23:02:00 -
[72] - Quote
Caldari Citizen 786478786 wrote:Nobody but a Goon or his nut hugging fanboys would believe that what Bat Country is doing is philanthropic in any way, shape or form. [...]
Maybe not, but I submit that it doesn't matter in the end.
The results, those are what matter, and theses results--even though they may well amount to a squirt of **** in a monsoon--benefit everyone: Not least of all, real miners!
Enlightened self-interest, and all that, in the wonderfully hard and ruthless EVE way.
"Dead bot, best bot!" (Johnny Pew)
(And just so we're clear, I detest goons normally, and think Mittani is a repellent little-minded pig, but I fully support Bat Country in this. Now, let's see some hisec-based Indi/mining corps fitting up some arty-Thrashers and getting in on it--that enlightened self-interest thing, again.)
I are kyute kitten! I are in ur mishun! Redoosin' teh lag by ninja'ing ur wrekz! (CCP: Make wrecks probable, and after 30min., tractorable.) |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
414
|
Posted - 2012.02.24 23:09:00 -
[73] - Quote
The Groundskeeper wrote:To clarify, both those quotes were by me. Not the Mittani. . man this gets better and better |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
1268
|
Posted - 2012.02.24 23:11:00 -
[74] - Quote
Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:Caldari Citizen 786478786 wrote:Nobody but a Goon or his nut hugging fanboys would believe that what Bat Country is doing is philanthropic in any way, shape or form. [...] Maybe not, but I submit that it doesn't matter in the end. The results, those are what matter, and theses results--even though they may well amount to a squirt of **** in a monsoon--benefit everyone: Not least of all, real miners! Enlightened self-interest, and all that, in the wonderfully hard and ruthless EVE way. "Dead bot, best bot!" (Johnny Pew) (And just so we're clear, I detest goons normally, and think Mittani is a repellent little-minded pig, but I fully support Bat Country in this. Now, let's see some hisec-based Indi/mining corps fitting up some arty-Thrashers and getting in on it--that enlightened self-interest thing, again.)
The incursion mothership takedowns were carried out mostly by PVP'ers and the incursion are PVE, so since then anything is possible and that would include highsec miners using arty thrashers for ganks.
Next we will see and honest politician and then we know the world is coming to an end.
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None ofthe Above
82
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Posted - 2012.02.24 23:15:00 -
[75] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:None ofthe Above wrote:Razzor Death wrote:I confess to being sceptical about your ability to make a good post. Ah so that's how it is then. The "we are killing bots" is just a cover for your need to bully any one weaker than you and visceral need to blow stuff up? Disappointing but not unexpected. Are you one of those psychological health champions who ban winning on school sports days because it will upset the mental state of 6 year olds and discriminate against the children who are not as fast and/or fat?
Hah. Not even close.
I've gone on the record as defending non-consensual pvp, just needs to be balanced to avoid overwhelming other styles of play, like mining.
What I was calling out was the "cover story" of valiantly fighting against botting.
Even None ofthe Above supports Hans Jagerblitzen for CSM7! |
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
228
|
Posted - 2012.02.24 23:23:00 -
[76] - Quote
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: [multi-quote snip]
The incursion mothership takedowns were carried out mostly by PVP'ers and the incursion are PVE, so since then anything is possible and that would include highsec miners using arty thrashers for ganks.
Next we will see and honest politician and then we know the world is coming to an end.
I know, right?
Hey, I've already got my beers in the fridge (I actually remembered, even, given how rarely I drink), should be one Hell of a show!
I are kyute kitten! I are in ur mishun! Redoosin' teh lag by ninja'ing ur wrekz! (CCP: Make wrecks probable, and after 30min., tractorable.) |
The Groundskeeper
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
52
|
Posted - 2012.02.24 23:24:00 -
[77] - Quote
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:The Groundskeeper wrote:To clarify, both those quotes were by me. Not the Mittani. . man this gets better and better
The alliance member (not corp member!) was booted for his botting antics. The quote was not by the mittani. I appreciate your disappointment.
The fact is that every alliance in nullsec and a great many in highsec will find botters in its ranks at some point. How many can not only point to the booted member but also to the wrecks of some 700 dead botters in a matter of 2 weeks as evidence of their position on this. Where are the dead bot wrecks that Cascade Imminent have produced? Show us what you have contributed to this war. |
Xolve
The Suicide Kings Test Alliance Please Ignore
926
|
Posted - 2012.02.24 23:25:00 -
[78] - Quote
TEST had a similar message put out by our dear leader, the purpose of this message wasn't to point fingers at people; it was just to stop people getting buttmad because they cant find an open sanctum/haven/whatever and started ******* over fellow alliance mates or killing them. Not only is this a diplomatic nightmare, but ******* over your friends/allies based on a vague assumption in a multi-lingual entity is just stupid; the denied convo argument is also weak, how many times can you not be bothered to answer some random pilots convo?
Trying to police the actions of an alliance of over 5000 people is a fools errand, and will just cause unnecessary stress and frustration; I find it hilarious that someone in Cascade Imminent takes botting so seriously when they are surrounded by botters in Nemesis, Pax Romana or whatever that crap alliance is called, Vera Cruz and all those other J4SpaceFriend Alliances down there. ROL has been botting the **** out of Paragon Soul for about 3 years... Again, realistically give me a proposition to police the actions of even smaller 2000 man alliances...
Don't worry I'll wait... Inappropriate signature removed. Navigator. |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
414
|
Posted - 2012.02.25 00:10:00 -
[79] - Quote
Xolve wrote:I find it hilarious that someone in Cascade Imminent takes botting so seriously [/i] lol wut |
baltec1
703
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Posted - 2012.02.25 00:14:00 -
[80] - Quote
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote: lol wut
Kinda sums it up. |
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SkiD-MaRk
DEAD-ON
15
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Posted - 2012.02.25 00:40:00 -
[81] - Quote
Thanks guys!!!! |
Xolve
The Suicide Kings Test Alliance Please Ignore
929
|
Posted - 2012.02.25 00:46:00 -
[82] - Quote
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Xolve wrote:I find it hilarious that someone in Cascade Imminent takes botting so seriously [/i] lol wut
Pretty much the half-assed illogical response I expected from my counter-argument.
Don't worry, I'll try and use less logic and reasoning next time to pander to your idiocy. Inappropriate signature removed. Navigator. |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
415
|
Posted - 2012.02.25 00:52:00 -
[83] - Quote
Xolve wrote:Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Xolve wrote:I find it hilarious that someone in Cascade Imminent takes botting so seriously [/i] lol wut Pretty much the half-assed illogical response I expected from my counter-argument. Don't worry, I'll try and use less logic and reasoning next time to pander to your idiocy. write more longass paragraphs about how serious i am |
Razzor Death
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
114
|
Posted - 2012.02.25 04:30:00 -
[84] - Quote
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Xolve wrote:Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Xolve wrote:I find it hilarious that someone in Cascade Imminent takes botting so seriously [/i] lol wut Pretty much the half-assed illogical response I expected from my counter-argument. Don't worry, I'll try and use less logic and reasoning next time to pander to your idiocy. write more longass paragraphs about how serious i am
Hey buddy remember when you kept copying that quote thinking you was own zoning us and then it was pointed out that the person in question was kicked. Yeah that was pretty funny and pretty much sums up why you are in cascade and your entire coalition lost to one Alliance in Delve. |
Razzor Death
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
114
|
Posted - 2012.02.25 04:32:00 -
[85] - Quote
So anyway its been 24 hours and Riverini has still not made a new article informing people that there is no interdiction.
I wonder why |
The Sardukar
State Protectorate Caldari State
3
|
Posted - 2012.02.25 04:35:00 -
[86] - Quote
Razzor Death wrote: Hey buddy remember when you kept copying that quote thinking you was own zoning us and then it was pointed out that the person in question was kicked. Yeah that was pretty funny and pretty much sums up why you are in cascade and your entire coalition lost to one Alliance in Delve.
Yeah. Those paragraphs clearly indicates that you take your anti-bot work very seriously indeed. Thanks for this great service to the EVE Community.
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Berke Negri
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
31
|
Posted - 2012.02.25 04:37:00 -
[87] - Quote
You're welcome. |
Razzor Death
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
114
|
Posted - 2012.02.25 04:38:00 -
[88] - Quote
The Sardukar wrote:Razzor Death wrote: Hey buddy remember when you kept copying that quote thinking you was own zoning us and then it was pointed out that the person in question was kicked. Yeah that was pretty funny and pretty much sums up why you are in cascade and your entire coalition lost to one Alliance in Delve.
Yeah. Those paragraphs clearly indicates that you take your anti-bot work very seriously indeed. Thanks for this great service to the EVE Community.
haha I can see why you made your avatar look like that, look I'm sorry if you lost out on the RMT market this month now go wash that off your face and stop trying so hard your embarrassing both of us. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
165
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Posted - 2012.02.25 04:41:00 -
[89] - Quote
Razzor Death wrote:So anyway its been 24 hours and Riverini has still not made a new article informing people that there is no interdiction.
I wonder why He's having problems selling his caldari ice because the bots keep on 0.01 isking him? Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
415
|
Posted - 2012.02.25 05:30:00 -
[90] - Quote
Razzor Death wrote:
Hey buddy remember when you kept copying that quote
no
edit: lmao |
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Xolve
The Suicide Kings Test Alliance Please Ignore
934
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Posted - 2012.02.26 01:49:00 -
[91] - Quote
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Xolve wrote:Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Xolve wrote:I find it hilarious that someone in Cascade Imminent takes botting so seriously [/i] lol wut Pretty much the half-assed illogical response I expected from my counter-argument. Don't worry, I'll try and use less logic and reasoning next time to pander to your idiocy. write more longass paragraphs about how serious i am
Nice backpedal. Inappropriate signature removed. Navigator. |
Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
145
|
Posted - 2012.02.26 03:30:00 -
[92] - Quote
Razzor Death wrote:So anyway its been 24 hours and Riverini has still not made a new article informing people that there is no interdiction.
I wonder why
Because there's no way to do short selling in Eve. |
Marlona Sky
EntroPrelatial Vanguard EntroPraetorian Aegis
471
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Posted - 2012.02.26 03:58:00 -
[93] - Quote
Remove all ice from high sec. This was supposed to happen years ago, but they stopped at just removing them from 1.0 space or some weak sauce move.
Good job Bats but, I just fear this will only be a minor hiccup in their operation.
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Hroya
14
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Posted - 2012.02.26 04:21:00 -
[94] - Quote
Marlona Sky wrote:Remove all ice from high sec. This was supposed to happen years ago, but they stopped at just removing them from 1.0 space or some weak sauce move.
Good job Bats but, I just fear this will only be a minor hiccup in their operation.
Can you imagin ?
Mittens: "Listen up you derps, we will launch an assault on team Tech next weekend" Random cap pilot: "But..but.. i actually wanted to do some icemining, you know, stare are the same clump of ice for hours on end." Mittens:"You gotta be kidding me! Are you for reall ?" *lots of mumbling on comms* chineese vollenteer spokesman:"Actually Mitsy love, we rrrreally want to mine that ice. It's so relaxing and we could sing songs on comms in the meantime. It's going to be lots of joy joy male bounding" Mittens:"Oke! Oke! I get it, screw team Tech, we mine Ice next weekend i will bring the sausage.*wiggles hips* Dazzeled pack of miners:"Those are huge balls! HUGE! i knew it !"
I am sure everyone in low and null is stocking up on ships ready to start mining ice all day long for ever and ever and ever. What goonies are doing now has it's charms. Motives dont matter. |
Patri Andari
Thukker Tribe Antiquities Importer
58
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Posted - 2012.02.26 04:21:00 -
[95] - Quote
Razzor Death wrote:So I guess its time to give you guys an official response to what is at hand as I can't bare to watch any man be trolled by Riverini be him friend or foe.... we do in fact care about the same issues and want what is best for this virtual world that we all share by attacking... and inflicting as much pain and suffering as possible to those that...ruin the economy for us all. ...As a token of fairness and good will we also decided to create our own reimbursement program where if we happened to kill someone who was not botting by accident that we would pay to replace their ship... ... Despite having sent him mails before his " press release" telling him (Riverini) of our intentions and what our campaign was actually about, he took it upon himself... to go ahead and send a shock wave through the Market in regards to Caldari Ice. "No, I havenGÇÖt stocked up on Ice yet; a decision I might regret. WeGÇÖll keep an eye on this one. - Riverini" - heh I'm sure. ... Riverini has made himself and his crew a very nice tidy profit after the scare that he has created...and we can only warn people and market buyers to be very careful when using information from Initiative Alliance's "news site" in the future. ...Think about that when you want to sit there screaming at CCP for an impossible to manage situation. This is a Community and Sandbox game.. ..Anyway High Sec, this has been our gift to you GÖÑ From Bat Country with love
Razzor Death, I have worked with Goons and fought against them. I know Goons. I can say that some Goons are friends of mine. You sir, are no Goon!
Troll Moar!
Patri
Miners! Make Moar Isks Nao! |
Razzor Death
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
120
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Posted - 2012.02.26 04:45:00 -
[96] - Quote
Was it the Bat Country tag under my name that gave it away ? |
Razzor Death
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
120
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Posted - 2012.02.26 04:46:00 -
[97] - Quote
Also you spelt more wrong just fyi |
TheBreadMuncher
Boxxed Up Industries
10
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Posted - 2012.02.26 19:43:00 -
[98] - Quote
Typical goons; finding a way to turn eliminating the competition's bots into propaganda while their own bots churn away at home... |
Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
155
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Posted - 2012.02.26 21:44:00 -
[99] - Quote
TheBreadMuncher wrote:Typical goons; finding a way to turn eliminating the competition's bots into propaganda while their own bots churn away at home...
Tell me about all the times you've flown into our space, probed out some bots and reported them. Because nothing is stopping you. I mean, if you're such an expert on bots you've been playing this game long enough to at least fly a covops, right? Come and get 'em.
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Scien Inkunen
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
11
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Posted - 2012.02.26 22:30:00 -
[100] - Quote
Razzor Death wrote:So I guess its time to give you guys an official response to what is at hand as I can't bare to watch any man be trolled by Riverini be him friend or foe.2 weeks ago ....... ......... Anyway High Sec, this has been our gift to you GÖÑ From Bat Country with love Vote Mittani for CSM
Merry has a little lamb .... Read the "Fart file" and you will understand the meaning of life ! |
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Valentyn3
54
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Posted - 2012.02.26 23:23:00 -
[101] - Quote
TheBreadMuncher wrote:Typical goons; finding a way to turn eliminating the competition's bots into propaganda while their own bots churn away at home...
At least they have half enough sense to not do it out in the open. EvE why u no obey Newtonian Physics? |
Serene Repose
Perkone Caldari State
301
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Posted - 2012.02.26 23:42:00 -
[102] - Quote
Oh dear. This would be so very moving if it had any relevance. Unfortunately, your buddy (Mitt) is philosophically opposed to anything we high sec folks want, as a rule. Offing botters in a world that endorses botters, a thousand you say, still a pittance, is a token that holds little value or meaning to us aliens...high sec players.
It doesn't take away the fact that Mitt has been on CSM for God knows how long and all we've gotten is the back of the CSM's hand. Mitt gloating all the while. Sorry. A few botters just shows in what pale regard you and yours hold us.
But, I tell you what...next time you have an orange bridge in San Francisco for sale, I know a few buyers.
Smokestack lightnin' shinin' just like gold. |
Caldari Citizen20110707
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2012.02.27 00:24:00 -
[103] - Quote
im confirming eve24 is not a news site anymore but a propaganda tool. its onesided stories are worse than kugu. only garbage gers posted luftin on the former image that died long ago. getting true stories posted isnt possible anymore even when your offering first hand high command intel you wasting time.
eve24 went from a decennt news media to the north korean pyongyang national paper |
Darth Tickles
Northstar Cabal Fatal Ascension
28
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Posted - 2012.02.27 01:09:00 -
[104] - Quote
Bat Country? More like FAT Country, amirite?
(lol goons are fat) |
Endeavour Starfleet
673
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Posted - 2012.02.27 02:15:00 -
[105] - Quote
Serene Repose wrote:Oh dear. This would be so very moving if it had any relevance. Unfortunately, your buddy (Mitt) is philosophically opposed to anything we high sec folks want, as a rule. Offing botters in a world that endorses botters, a thousand you say, still a pittance, is a token that holds little value or meaning to us aliens...high sec players.
It doesn't take away the fact that Mitt has been on CSM for God knows how long and all we've gotten is the back of the CSM's hand. Mitt gloating all the while. Sorry. A few botters just shows in what pale regard you and yours hold us.
But, I tell you what...next time you have an orange bridge in San Francisco for sale, I know a few buyers.
How do you explain his documented support for incursion running then?
Johnny Marzetti wrote:TheBreadMuncher wrote:Typical goons; finding a way to turn eliminating the competition's bots into propaganda while their own bots churn away at home... Tell me about all the times you've flown into our space, probed out some bots and reported them. Because nothing is stopping you. I mean, if you're such an expert on bots you've been playing this game long enough to at least fly a covops, right? Come and get 'em.
This...
If all you do is say this and this group runs bots you are doing nothing but wasting forum bandwidth. The solution is bot reporting on our end. Giving CCP data needed to run on their end. |
Abyss Azizora
Amarrian Warfactory
6
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Posted - 2012.02.27 02:34:00 -
[106] - Quote
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:Serene Repose wrote:Oh dear. This would be so very moving if it had any relevance. Unfortunately, your buddy (Mitt) is philosophically opposed to anything we high sec folks want, as a rule. Offing botters in a world that endorses botters, a thousand you say, still a pittance, is a token that holds little value or meaning to us aliens...high sec players.
It doesn't take away the fact that Mitt has been on CSM for God knows how long and all we've gotten is the back of the CSM's hand. Mitt gloating all the while. Sorry. A few botters just shows in what pale regard you and yours hold us.
But, I tell you what...next time you have an orange bridge in San Francisco for sale, I know a few buyers.
How do you explain his documented support for incursion running then? Johnny Marzetti wrote:TheBreadMuncher wrote:Typical goons; finding a way to turn eliminating the competition's bots into propaganda while their own bots churn away at home... Tell me about all the times you've flown into our space, probed out some bots and reported them. Because nothing is stopping you. I mean, if you're such an expert on bots you've been playing this game long enough to at least fly a covops, right? Come and get 'em. This... If all you do is say this and this group runs bots you are doing nothing but wasting forum bandwidth. The solution is bot reporting on our end. Giving CCP data needed to run on their end.
The new CCP has ZERO interest in banning and removing bots. They make them too much money. The old CCP from many years ago did at least make an effort, but not enough. I'd be surprised if they don't start offering legal botting accounts that cost extra aurum to subscribe in the next year.
(As yes bro, I am mad at all the bots I see around me, I report them all, but they just come back with another bot103057238 account the following day. It's not even worth the effort when CCP won't put in any.)
PS: Oh and while I know the goons are killing macks not to remove botters, but to manipulate prices. Kudos on the few bots you did get in the process. That's more bot removal than ccp has done in the last year. (Even if it did take them 30min to replace the ships and move to a new system to bot in.) |
Endeavour Starfleet
673
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Posted - 2012.02.27 03:37:00 -
[107] - Quote
What evidence do you have that CCP likes botting? Botting has KILLED mmos in the past.
Don't say Increased PLEX sales. PLEX has a hard ceiling even if it is at a billion isk per PLEX. There is only so much people are willing to dump in.
The fact is botting is not a simple IP ban or a few bans here or there. It is an EXTREMELY complex issue to tackle and the simple scripts of the old days are being replaced with highly adaptable botting systems that are sadly much harder to deal with.
To tackle that requires bots to be REPORTED. |
Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
156
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Posted - 2012.02.27 05:48:00 -
[108] - Quote
People love to accuse large alliances of widespread botting because they know there's no way to disprove such claims. These are the same kind of people who irl go on about prominent politicians' birth certificates or whatever dumb conspiracy crap ignorant people are blabbing about in "knowing" voices this week. |
Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
170
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Posted - 2012.02.27 06:05:00 -
[109] - Quote
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:What evidence do you have that CCP likes botting? Botting has KILLED mmos in the past.
Don't say Increased PLEX sales. PLEX has a hard ceiling even if it is at a billion isk per PLEX. There is only so much people are willing to dump in.
The fact is botting is not a simple IP ban or a few bans here or there. It is an EXTREMELY complex issue to tackle and the simple scripts of the old days are being replaced with highly adaptable botting systems that are sadly much harder to deal with.
To tackle that requires bots to be REPORTED.
No. Been popping the same obvious bots over and over since December. Been reporting them every time I see them. They are still there and still botting.
Really its not a big deal, because ganking them for T2 salvage and mods is actually a net positive on the wallet, because Tornados and Catalysts are awesome ganking machines. (catalysts are cheap, Tornados kill 3-4 or more Macks/Hulks at a time.)
Macroers can keep flying their bots, I'll keep crushing them and banking that ISK. Its a viable profession. If you do it right, you actually earn more ISK per hour ganking Ice botters than you can make mining the ice itself.
Though my fingers are blue from reporting the bots - my gut feeling is that CCP is far more likely to.... buff Concord/nerf Tornados - turning miner ganking into a 'net loss' and FURTHER protect them - before they actually sacrifice the subs and ban them.
That 'report bot' button? It does absolutely nothing except make people feel like something will be done - 99% of the people who use it rarely follow up on the bots as I do, so its a nice trick to give CCP more anti-bot cred without actually having to do anything.
EDIT: When I start to see some of the bots disappear (or get replaced with new accounts with new 'generated' names....) I'll stand corrected. Until then I call it like I see it. Pushing the 'Report bot' button is basically as useful for removing bots as scratching your ass. |
The Apostle
The Black Knights of Destiny
64
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Posted - 2012.02.27 06:22:00 -
[110] - Quote
The Groundskeeper wrote:The Sardukar wrote:Another gem from the same post:
"But if it were the case that he had been ratting just a little too exuberantly for peoples' liking, or if he had offended them by consistently ignoring their conversation requests for a brief window of, say, seventeen or eighteen hours, for instance, then it would be goon-****ing to report him or to kill him. This will land you and your corp in trouble"
The Mittani, September 28th, 2011 Not only was that post not by Mittens either (again, it was by me), perhaps you should check and find out that the person in question was removed from our alliance. As the person who called out Goons on this topic orignally, I'd like to remind you that there was an absolute denial of all things "botting".
So why was it neccessary for the person to be removed?
As for original post taken "out of context". Bullshit. Not only did Goons harbour and support bots and stated categorically it was NOT their problem, they've now taken to backpeddling on the subject by lying and pretending to be El Supremo bot-killers as well.
PS: The only thing you got right is that Mittens did not post this.
Nullsec democracy is an oxymoron. Bloc voting for-áalliance candidates is Democracy for Morons 101. Let them perish in their self-interest.
Bring back Eve. OUR Eve. |
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Jita Alt666
934
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Posted - 2012.02.27 06:50:00 -
[111] - Quote
Wow some real hatred here. Keep posting I'm sure you will win the propaganda war. |
Trainwreck McGee
Ghost Ship Inc.
225
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Posted - 2012.02.27 07:07:00 -
[112] - Quote
Caldari Citizen 786478786 wrote:Nobody but a Goon or his nut hugging fanboys would believe that what Bat Country is doing is philanthropic in any way, shape or form. If you've managed to convince even one person that what you're doing is anything but selfish and lazy (yes, padding your killboard with easily gankable Mackinaws is the height of laziness) then you've done a serious disservice to the integrity of these forums. Please return to the basements you crawled out of forthwith.
Wow bots post of forums now? man some high tech **** CCP Trainwreck - Weekend Custodial Engineer / CCP Necrogoats foot stool |
Endeavour Starfleet
674
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Posted - 2012.02.27 07:08:00 -
[113] - Quote
I said proof. Not personal observations.
I want evidence as in CCP statements supporting botting if there are any. Stop side skirting the issue. |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
318
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Posted - 2012.02.27 07:19:00 -
[114] - Quote
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:What evidence do you have that CCP likes botting? Botting has KILLED mmos in the past.
Don't say Increased PLEX sales. PLEX has a hard ceiling even if it is at a billion isk per PLEX. There is only so much people are willing to dump in.
The fact is botting is not a simple IP ban or a few bans here or there. It is an EXTREMELY complex issue to tackle and the simple scripts of the old days are being replaced with highly adaptable botting systems that are sadly much harder to deal with.
To tackle that requires bots to be REPORTED.
How do you know that a certain guy is botting (without killing him)? Unlike other games where bots are obvious, in EvE there's no difference between a bot and a real player ice mining. You can see if the name is evidently a pattern or if he mines for a lot of time but that's it.
The only possible anti-bot effective campaign will happen when CCP makes player made mining less identical to botting.
Until then there will just be an anti-miner stigma.
Some players will try self policing the phenomenon (failing, because many times you can't even know who is a bot and who is not).
Most will just be the: "at school I could not beat on the special, defensless kid so I will take revenge on miners in EvE" kind of typical RL-repressed EvE "player".
Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
Twitter channel |
TheBreadMuncher
Boxxed Up Industries
13
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Posted - 2012.02.27 16:41:00 -
[115] - Quote
Johnny Marzetti wrote:Tell me about all the times you've flown into our space, probed out some bots and reported them. Because nothing is stopping you. I mean, if you're such an expert on bots you've been playing this game long enough to at least fly a covops, right? Come and get 'em.
Twice, actually. I'd post with my main, but I got banned for trolling... |
Razzor Death
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
124
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Posted - 2012.02.27 16:43:00 -
[116] - Quote
TheBreadMuncher wrote:Johnny Marzetti wrote:Tell me about all the times you've flown into our space, probed out some bots and reported them. Because nothing is stopping you. I mean, if you're such an expert on bots you've been playing this game long enough to at least fly a covops, right? Come and get 'em.
Twice, actually. I'd post with my main, but I got banned for trolling...
Name them |
TheBreadMuncher
Boxxed Up Industries
13
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Posted - 2012.02.27 16:46:00 -
[117] - Quote
Razzor Death wrote: Name them
Your mom |
Razzor Death
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
124
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Posted - 2012.02.27 16:53:00 -
[118] - Quote
If you're going to attempt to burn me all I ask is you put a little effort into it. Please re think your reply and try again and make it entertaining for the people reading.
tia |
Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
159
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Posted - 2012.02.27 17:01:00 -
[119] - Quote
Maybe he literally meant that your mom was botting. |
Razzor Death
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
124
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Posted - 2012.02.27 18:09:00 -
[120] - Quote
My mother died when I was 7. A Large Caldari Tower broke into our house and brutally raped her whilst me and my father was forced to watch. The police never could find the tower as all that was left was 2 faction hardeners and her Skull. |
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Razzor Death
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
124
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Posted - 2012.02.27 18:10:00 -
[121] - Quote
She took it like a champ though god bless her |
Florestan Bronstein
United Highsec Front The 99 Percent
430
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Posted - 2012.02.27 18:25:00 -
[122] - Quote
Abyss Azizora wrote:The new CCP has ZERO interest in banning and removing bots. speculate about CCP's motives however you want (serious interest in fighting bots? or just creating some good news for FanFest?) - but fact is that CCP unleashed a major banwave against bots over the last few days with most bans apparently hitting during today's downtime.
(2 week temp bans against various kinds of bot users) |
The Sardukar
State Protectorate Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2012.02.27 18:59:00 -
[123] - Quote
From twitter (EnderCapitalG is a member of Goonwaffe)
Andrew WigginGÇÅ@EnderCapitalG: So CCP went through and hit a lot of hbot users today. Don't run them 23.5/7 next time guys Andrew WigginGÇÅ@EnderCapitalG: Oh man. Just talked to several bot users and they said they were only hit with a 14 day ban |
Jita Alt666
934
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Posted - 2012.02.27 19:41:00 -
[124] - Quote
The Sardukar wrote:From twitter (EnderCapitalG is a member of Goonwaffe)
Andrew WigginGÇÅ@EnderCapitalG: So CCP went through and hit a lot of hbot users today. Don't run them 23.5/7 next time guys Andrew WigginGÇÅ@EnderCapitalG: Oh man. Just talked to several bot users and they said they were only hit with a 14 day ban
Who is Andrew Wiggins? |
arcca jeth
Dark Alliance Dark Empire Alliance
74
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Posted - 2012.02.27 19:48:00 -
[125] - Quote
Feligast wrote:The Sardukar wrote::words:) Reported for evading the profanity filter.
then you should report all of your regular TEST and GOON forum poster friends as well as they where the ones to 1st show me that the profanity filter can be evaded. well done sir, well done indeed
second, thought, now that i know they can be reported, let me go back through my forum post history and find andski and weasilor's comments and report them |
Razzor Death
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
124
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Posted - 2012.02.27 19:53:00 -
[126] - Quote
The Sardukar wrote:From twitter (EnderCapitalG is a member of Goonwaffe)
Andrew WigginGÇÅ@EnderCapitalG: So CCP went through and hit a lot of hbot users today. Don't run them 23.5/7 next time guys Andrew WigginGÇÅ@EnderCapitalG: Oh man. Just talked to several bot users and they said they were only hit with a 14 day ban
You deliver every time |
Lady Spink
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2012.02.27 20:07:00 -
[127] - Quote
What is it with all the hypocricy with the goons?
They are reporting so called bots but they refuse to report their own bots or renters bots.
For example, click on a couple of those systems and check the stats.
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/map/Deklein
If ccp would really want to make a point of this they could destroy the goon economy wih a finger click
I dont want to take away the fun of high sec miner ganking but please dont use it to justify your own illegal activities |
Razzor Death
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
124
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Posted - 2012.02.27 20:33:00 -
[128] - Quote
You mean those 400 new shobon newbies that came in the last SA recruitment drive are actually ratting ? Get the CSM on the phone, something must be done. |
Serene Repose
Perkone Caldari State
307
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Posted - 2012.02.27 20:37:00 -
[129] - Quote
Hypocracy in EVE? Are you KIDDING ME??? Why...that's unbelievable. After all, CCP being a corp and all... Integrity being the watchword of... "You can take us at our word..." ...the customer is always....
Now I know I'm cutting off my hair and joining a nunnery. (You guys can all come along. We'll reinvent religion. We can blame CCP for their example to us in life... the universe... and EVERYTHING!!)
Smokestack lightnin' shinin' just like gold. |
Marlona Sky
EntroPrelatial Vanguard EntroPraetorian Aegis
480
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Posted - 2012.02.27 20:43:00 -
[130] - Quote
The Sardukar wrote:From twitter (EnderCapitalG is a member of Goonwaffe)
Andrew WigginGÇÅ@EnderCapitalG: So CCP went through and hit a lot of hbot users today. Don't run them 23.5/7 next time guys Andrew WigginGÇÅ@EnderCapitalG: Oh man. Just talked to several bot users and they said they were only hit with a 14 day ban
This is interesting...
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Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
160
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Posted - 2012.02.27 21:01:00 -
[131] - Quote
Lady Spink wrote:What is it with all the hypocricy with the goons? They are reporting so called bots but they refuse to report their own bots or renters bots. For example, click on a couple of those systems and check the stats. http://evemaps.dotlan.net/map/DekleinIf ccp would really want to make a point of this they could destroy the goon economy wih a finger click I dont want to take away the fun of high sec miner ganking but please dont use it to justify your own illegal activities
Hello, Lady Spink of Pator Tech School.
I, too, enjoy using dotlan. One cool feature of dotlan is that it shows you the number of jumps in a given system, right next to where it shows you the NPC kills. Now, I admit that I do not have any actual botting experience so I may be completely wrong here, but it strikes me as a reasonable assumption based on actually living in the region in question, that in a nullsec region where hostiles roam quite often, bots jumping from system to system is probably a bad idea.
Or maybe it's a good idea, if you like to kill bots. Because that's what would happen.
So I guess all those bots you assert are responsible for the NPC kill stats must be ratting away while newbies fly back and forth in rifter blobs to cover up the bots' tracks with inflated jump stats.
Or we could just have a large alliance with lots of active players in many time zones who actually rat, because many of them are new and need the cash.
But hey, you keep on clicking that dotlan while you shoot rocks and dream of that great beyond.
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2228
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Posted - 2012.02.27 21:01:00 -
[132] - Quote
arcca jeth wrote:Feligast wrote:The Sardukar wrote::words:) Reported for evading the profanity filter. then you should report all of your regular TEST and GOON forum poster friends as well as they where the ones to 1st show me that the profanity filter can be evaded. well done sir, well done indeed second, thought, now that i know they can be reported, let me go back through my forum post history and find andski and weasilor's comments and report them
"I got owned so I'm just going to ask the mods to delete those posts so that I don't look like a bad poster" "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
160
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Posted - 2012.02.27 21:12:00 -
[133] - Quote
Andski wrote: "I got owned so I'm just going to ask the mods to delete those posts so that I don't look like a bad poster"
The sad thing is they'll probably do it, since they went back and edited out Fon Revedhort's comments that revealed him to be a white supremacist.
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doyilooki
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
4
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Posted - 2012.02.27 21:17:00 -
[134] - Quote
Is this where we complain about having fun playing eve online? |
Lady Spink
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2012.02.27 21:31:00 -
[135] - Quote
Johnny Marzetti wrote: Hello, Lady Spink of Pator Tech School.
I, too, enjoy using dotlan. One cool feature of dotlan is that it shows you the number of jumps in a given system, right next to where it shows you the NPC kills. Now, I admit that I do not have any actual botting experience so I may be completely wrong here, but it strikes me as a reasonable assumption based on actually living in the region in question, that in a nullsec region where hostiles roam quite often, bots jumping from system to system is probably a bad idea.
Or maybe it's a good idea, if you like to kill bots. Because that's what would happen.
So I guess all those bots you assert are responsible for the NPC kill stats must be ratting away while newbies fly back and forth in rifter blobs to cover up the bots' tracks with inflated jump stats.
Or we could just have a large alliance with lots of active players in many time zones who actually rat, because many of them are new and need the cash.
But hey, you keep on clicking that dotlan while you shoot rocks and dream of that great beyond.
And there you go. as a Goon you have access to high sec and to your own little empire in 0.0.
In high sec, you are the ones, right clicking on toons and select "bot report". No problem, because if someone is a bot.. fine, its a bot.
However there is nearly no one jumping in or out those systems protected by Goonswarm because it is pretty hard to get there as an outsider. So there is no one who does the right click and select: "bot report".
Anyways. I understand your luxurous position and i wish i had the same position and if i where you i would do exactly the same. kill easy targets, call it, bot reporting so everyone believes you are the heroes of the game and meanwhile have your nice quiet empire do its work. |
Razzor Death
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
125
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Posted - 2012.02.27 21:34:00 -
[136] - Quote
god you kill a few bots and all people do is cry, its no wonder high sec is riddled with them. |
MadMuppet
Kerguelen Station
153
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Posted - 2012.02.27 21:41:00 -
[137] - Quote
Marlona Sky wrote:The Sardukar wrote:From twitter (EnderCapitalG is a member of Goonwaffe)
Andrew WigginGÇÅ@EnderCapitalG: So CCP went through and hit a lot of hbot users today. Don't run them 23.5/7 next time guys Andrew WigginGÇÅ@EnderCapitalG: Oh man. Just talked to several bot users and they said they were only hit with a 14 day ban This is interesting...
A teaspoon of wine in a barrel full of sewage is still a barrel full of sewage. Buff Hybrid Guns!!!! |
Lady Spink
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2012.02.27 21:46:00 -
[138] - Quote
Razzor Death wrote:god you kill a few bots and all people do is cry, its no wonder high sec is riddled with them.
Oh, so you believe, that all you killed are bots?
It doesn't really matter. you figured out very nicely how to do efficient ganking in high sec.
If you would really care about bots, you would not touch them but report them. However, you would get bored soon and that is why you do high sec ganking.
From my point of view the system is broken. someone with -10 should not be allowed in high sec areas, not even with their pod.
Someone who keeps on killing irl. would also get some death penalty in some countries.
The only reason why you guys are doing is, is to remove the focus from your own 0.0 sec bots. and i must say. it works pretty good. CCP doesn't care about what's happening in the 0sec territories. |
arcca jeth
Dark Alliance Dark Empire Alliance
74
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Posted - 2012.02.27 21:49:00 -
[139] - Quote
Andski wrote:arcca jeth wrote:Feligast wrote:The Sardukar wrote::words:) Reported for evading the profanity filter. then you should report all of your regular TEST and GOON forum poster friends as well as they where the ones to 1st show me that the profanity filter can be evaded. well done sir, well done indeed second, thought, now that i know they can be reported, let me go back through my forum post history and find andski and weasilor's comments and report them "I got owned so I'm just going to ask the mods to delete those posts so that I don't look like a bad poster"
Just poking fun at The Sardukar, not that I actually have the time nor would care enough to go back through and do that |
Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
160
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Posted - 2012.02.27 21:57:00 -
[140] - Quote
Lady Spink wrote: However there is nearly no one jumping in or out those systems protected by Goonswarm because it is pretty hard to get there as an outsider. So there is no one who does the right click and select: "bot report".
Are you freaking kidding me? How many times do we have to say it?
Outsiders wander through our region all the time. In fact, that's why botting there would generally be a bad idea.
If you really have been playing this game long enough to "know" all the stuff you think you know, then you should have the skills to fly a covops up to Deklein and report all these alleged bots and shut down Goonswarm forever! (Do your evil laugh now.)
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Willard Mitt Romney
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2012.02.27 22:08:00 -
[141] - Quote
The Groundskeeper wrote:Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:The Groundskeeper wrote:To clarify, both those quotes were by me. Not the Mittani. . man this gets better and better The alliance member (not corp member!) was booted for his botting antics. The quote was not by the mittani. I appreciate your disappointment. The fact is that every alliance in nullsec and a great many in highsec will find botters in its ranks at some point. How many can not only point to the booted member but also to the wrecks of some 700 dead botters in a matter of 2 weeks as evidence of their position on this. Where are the dead bot wrecks that Cascade Imminent have produced? Show us what you have contributed to this war. Sir, a cardinal rule of politics, grifting, conning and other forms of bullshitting: avoid repeated denials. The more times you deny that Mr. The Mittani wrote that quote, the more people will think he did write it. Likewise, the more people will think the quote was about your organization's use of mining robot applications.
That said, if a Goon organization wants to contribute to the community (by killing bots), or at least let the community think it did that, why should the community bash them for it? Taking steps to rehabilite the Goon image is a positive step, no? They're saying they're using some of their wealth and manpower to help the community. If that's the image they want to project, why not let them, gentlemen? |
Lady Spink
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2012.02.27 22:23:00 -
[142] - Quote
Johnny Marzetti wrote:
Are you freaking kidding me? How many times do we have to say it?
Outsiders wander through our region all the time. In fact, that's why botting there would generally be a bad idea.
If you really have been playing this game long enough to "know" all the stuff you think you know, then you should have the skills to fly a covops up to Deklein and report all these alleged bots and shut down Goonswarm forever! (Do your evil laugh now.)
I am not "Freaking" kidding you, i am just reading stats. I can see somewhat deserted systems with more then 8000 NPC kills day on day on day.
if you compare normal high sec systems with these numbers... the amount of system jumps are 1000fold of the numbers is see in your "managed" systems.
Anyways i am not attacking you guys because you are botting, go ahead. CCP alows you, so why wouldn't you all fly SC's and titans.
What I dislike, Is that you tell us that you are not botting in your systems, and meanhile you are ganking in highsec for the so called good cause of removing bots from the game.
Just forget about that, and make a topic: we are bored and we kill high sec miners because the system is broken and mining tears are very entertaining. |
baltec1
723
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Posted - 2012.02.27 22:30:00 -
[143] - Quote
Lady Spink wrote:
I am not "Freaking" kidding you, i am just reading stats. I can see somewhat deserted systems with more then 8000 NPC kills day on day on day.
if you compare normal high sec systems with these numbers... the amount of system jumps are 1000fold of the numbers is see in your "managed" systems.
Anyways i am not attacking you guys because you are botting, go ahead. CCP alows you, so why wouldn't you all fly SC's and titans.
What I dislike, Is that you tell us that you are not botting in your systems, and meanhile you are ganking in highsec for the so called good cause of removing bots from the game.
Just forget about that, and make a topic: we are bored and we kill high sec miners because the system is broken and mining tears are very entertaining.
You do know in 0.0 you can kill NPCs at a much higher rate than in high sec right?
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Lady Spink
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2012.02.27 22:34:00 -
[144] - Quote
baltec1 wrote: You do know in 0.0 you can kill NPCs at a much higher rate than in high sec right?
yes. |
Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
163
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Posted - 2012.02.28 00:30:00 -
[145] - Quote
I don't think you're getting a very good education at Pator Tech School, Lady Spink. |
Lady Spink
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2012.02.28 00:52:00 -
[146] - Quote
Johnny Marzetti wrote:I don't think you're getting a very good education at Pator Tech School, Lady Spink.
For sure!
I've never learned for lying, ignorance and hypocricy like the goons have to.
Anyways. Lets ask ccp to run statistics on all accounts active in these systems....
The goons say they have nothing to hide. Multiple statistics give "proof" that something is wrong.
I would suggest that the goonswarm federation requests this from ccp so they can earn a medal of an honest non botting federation. This would be something to be proud on. |
Darth Tickles
Northstar Cabal Fatal Ascension
28
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Posted - 2012.02.28 01:02:00 -
[147] - Quote
War on bots? More like war on BELTS, amirite?
(wololololol goons are fat) |
Razzor Death
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
126
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Posted - 2012.02.28 01:18:00 -
[148] - Quote
FA are here by reset for calling goon's fat. You have 20mins to pack your stuff and run.
Come at us, but don't ever mention are obesity. |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
323
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Posted - 2012.02.28 01:37:00 -
[149] - Quote
What is your criterium to report a bot, Bat Country guys?
Since you are seeing (and eventually killing) dozens of mining ships a day, I suppose flat reporting them will just clog CCP down and prevent them to speedy process their bot investigation queue, no?
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1684
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Posted - 2012.02.28 01:51:00 -
[150] - Quote
Who cares about reporting bots? Where's the "report bad posting" button? The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
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Hroya
14
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Posted - 2012.02.28 01:57:00 -
[151] - Quote
If you think this is a war on bots, then nasa need look no further, we found aliens on our planet.
It's not about bots, it's not about propaganda, It's not about tears ( partially maybe )
It's just something you CAN do with resources and manpower at your disposal, if you want to to keep yourself entertained. Any shifting of market, prices, rmt, ballance, tears and asorted chabang is just a bonus.
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Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
163
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Posted - 2012.02.28 03:50:00 -
[152] - Quote
Lady Spink wrote: "proof"
The only thing you've proven is that you don't know anything about 0.0.
Well, and you've proven yourself to be a bad poster, so I guess that's two things. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1686
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Posted - 2012.02.28 04:05:00 -
[153] - Quote
Lady Spink wrote:Johnny Marzetti wrote:I don't think you're getting a very good education at Pator Tech School, Lady Spink. For sure! I've never learned for lying, ignorance and hypocricy like the goons have to. Anyways. Lets ask ccp to run statistics on all accounts active in these systems.... The goons say they have nothing to hide. Multiple statistics give "proof" that something is wrong. I would suggest that the goonswarm federation requests this from ccp so they can earn a medal of an honest non botting federation. This would be something to be proud on.
So which horrible alliance does your main belong to and when did we last kill them?
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Lady Spink
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2012.02.28 06:58:00 -
[154] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:
So which horrible alliance does your main belong to and when did we last kill them?
I am sorry to dissapoint you.
The only one who ever killed me, is concord.
I do exactly the same as the goons. But i am not masquerading the reason. I just kill for the mining tears. The only difference is Bat country are killing mining vessels with the so called reaon to get rid of the bots. And that is the whole point. Its not about the bots because that is hypocricy. They are bored in o.o and their own bots are running while ccp does nothing about it, meanwhile they are increasing the eficciency of their own bots by killling the high sec bots.
I realy have no issue with that but just dont be a liar. And don't advertise that you are the saviours of eve. |
Valentyn3
58
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Posted - 2012.02.28 07:07:00 -
[155] - Quote
Well, they are certainly the saviors of the General Discusion forums. If it weren't for all this E-drama we might still be subjected to tards crying for Drake nerfs. EVE why u no obey Newtonian Physics? Sure wish I could fit med artillery on my frigate to. http://i.imgur.com/PUZou.jpg |
doyilooki
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
4
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Posted - 2012.02.28 07:30:00 -
[156] - Quote
Lady Spink wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:
So which horrible alliance does your main belong to and when did we last kill them?
I am sorry to dissapoint you. The only one who ever killed me, is concord. I do exactly the same as the goons. But i am not masquerading the reason. I just kill for the mining tears. The only difference is Bat country are killing mining vessels with the so called reaon to get rid of the bots. And that is the whole point. Its not about the bots because that is hypocricy. They are bored in o.o and their own bots are running while ccp does nothing about it, meanwhile they are increasing the eficciency of their own bots by killling the high sec bots. I realy have no issue with that but just dont be a liar. And don't advertise that you are the saviours of eve.
Did you think about this all by yourself?
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1689
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Posted - 2012.02.28 09:52:00 -
[157] - Quote
Lady Spink wrote:They are bored in o.o and their own bots are running while ccp does nothing about it, meanwhile they are increasing the eficciency of their own bots by killling the high sec bots.
Can you tell me where Bat Country's mining bots are running? I will go blow them up.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Lady Spink
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2012.02.28 10:55:00 -
[158] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote: Can you tell me where Bat Country's mining bots are running? I will go blow them up.
No I Can't. Botting tools are set to log out when a non blue enters the system. So it is very hard to prove by someone. The only one who can prove it, is CCP but they have no interest in that. They want to have big alliances and huge capital battles to score big on the MMO market. so removing bots from the alliance is not good for them.
As i posted before. You can check statistics on all your systems. if you find some interesting stats. go there and start monitoring.
What we could do to end the Goonswarm (and its renters) bot setups is to allow 10 of my toons into an existing GS corporation f.e. Goonwaffe. This way i can spy up 10 systems at the same time. I will do the bot reporting and comms with ccp so you don't have to spend time on it.
Let me know if you agree to this. keep in mind that this will end the GS fedaration very fast so please make sure that it is all worth it for you.
I need to do this with other alliances as well. However they are not whining on the forums that they are actually doing good for the game that they are removing bots from high sec. they just gank and have the mining tears. |
Razzor Death
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
127
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Posted - 2012.02.28 10:57:00 -
[159] - Quote
iskies toonies mommies goonies |
Lady Spink
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2012.02.28 11:16:00 -
[160] - Quote
doyilooki wrote:Did you think about this all by yourself?
No i just read statistics.
anyways. to make it easy for you guys. If i had access to Goonswarm regions i would start monitoring these systems:
0V0R-R 3JN9-Q O-2RNZ OWXT-5 CZDJ-1 RG9-7U UEJX-G UJY-HE C7Y-7Z 9CK-KZ GY5-26 MZ1E-P WUZ-WM 7T6P-C 85-B52 8S28-3 E-FIC0 RO0-AF YZ-UKA Champion 14000 kills per day. I30-3A JU-OWQ NC-N3F S-DN5M ZZZR-5 YA0-XJ TXME-A
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Grog Barrel
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
20
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Posted - 2012.02.28 12:05:00 -
[161] - Quote
[insert random tool's cheap propaganda message here] |
Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
165
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Posted - 2012.02.28 15:13:00 -
[162] - Quote
Lady Spink wrote: What we could do to end the Goonswarm (and its renters) bot setups is to allow 10 of my toons into an existing GS corporation f.e. Goonwaffe. This way i can spy up 10 systems at the same time. I will do the bot reporting and comms with ccp so you don't have to spend time on it.
Let me know if you agree to this. keep in mind that this will end the GS fedaration very fast so please make sure that it is all worth it for you.
I need to do this with other alliances as well. However they are not whining on the forums that they are actually doing good for the game that they are removing bots from high sec. they just gank and have the mining tears.
I can arrange this for you because I'm sure you will not find any of the activity you claim exists. However, I need to be sure you're not going to get into our alliance just to awox, and since this is a public thing it could be a huge embarrassment if you do, so it won't be possible without a billion isk security deposit for each toon to be returned after one month. However, I'm so certain that you will not find anything that I will refund you double that if you do find any botters.
I'm good for it and have the authority to do this, but I can have a director verify that for you if you wish.
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Lady Spink
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2012.02.28 15:23:00 -
[163] - Quote
Johnny Marzetti wrote: I can arrange this for you because I'm sure you will not find any of the activity you claim exists. However, I need to be sure you're not going to get into our alliance just to awox, and since this is a public thing it could be a huge embarrassment if you do, so it won't be possible without a billion isk security deposit for each toon to be returned after one month. However, I'm so certain that you will not find anything that I will refund you double that if you do find any botters.
I'm good for it and have the authority to do this, but I can have a director verify that for you if you wish.
Ok that sounds fine will it be a scam or not? From what I understand, GS is a noble Alliance without any history of ganking and scamming.
This is between you and me. ssssht. The numbers are unhuman so i don't really need to get into the systems. It would be the task for CCP to balance the game and remove the bots from the systems mentioned above.
But for me it would be a perfect way to kill blues once i am inside a GS corporation. This would be really funny you know! it's nearly the same thrill as ganking high sec miners!
Anyways, to whom shall i wire the ISK's to get invited to Goonwaffe?
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ConranAntoni
Empyrean Warriors The Obsidian Front
6
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Posted - 2012.02.28 15:31:00 -
[164] - Quote
Praise be to the swarm in their crusade against the sinister skynet mining bots.
Now do EvE a favour and headshot riverini. |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
327
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Posted - 2012.02.28 16:11:00 -
[165] - Quote
ConranAntoni wrote:
Now do EvE a favour and headshot riverini.
Duh, doesn't he do that by himself quite good? Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
Twitter channel |
arcca jeth
Dark Alliance Dark Empire Alliance
76
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Posted - 2012.02.28 16:30:00 -
[166] - Quote
Lady Spink wrote:Johnny Marzetti wrote: I can arrange this for you because I'm sure you will not find any of the activity you claim exists. However, I need to be sure you're not going to get into our alliance just to awox, and since this is a public thing it could be a huge embarrassment if you do, so it won't be possible without a billion isk security deposit for each toon to be returned after one month. However, I'm so certain that you will not find anything that I will refund you double that if you do find any botters.
I'm good for it and have the authority to do this, but I can have a director verify that for you if you wish.
Ok that sounds fine will it be a scam or not? From what I understand, GS is a noble Alliance without any history of ganking and scamming. This is between you and me. ssssht. The numbers are unhuman so i don't really need to get into the systems. It would be the task for CCP to balance the game and remove the bots from the systems mentioned above. But for me it would be a perfect way to kill blues once i am inside a GS corporation. This would be really funny you know! it's nearly the same thrill as ganking high sec miners! Anyways, to whom shall i wire the ISK's to get invited to Goonwaffe?
you aren't seriously falling for the deposit scam are you? lmao
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Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
176
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Posted - 2012.02.28 16:39:00 -
[167] - Quote
Don't listen to that guy.
You can just send the isk to me, but you can verify with any GoonWaffe director if you need to. |
Astrid Stjerna
Teraa Matar
618
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Posted - 2012.02.28 16:47:00 -
[168] - Quote
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Besides the "23/7" and the calling pilots with patterns (i.e. Joe01, Joe02 etc) I don't see any way to discern between a bot and an human
Unfortunately, even if a reliable system can be found, there will eventually be a way around it. CCP has more anti-bot tools available than we're made aware of on a day-to-day basis, but to maintain the effectiveness of their arsenal, they (and most other MMO companies) generally don't advertise their tactics.
Bots are a scourge, innocent people get caught in the crossfire. That's what it boils down to. We're fighting a kind of electronic 'cold war', where the only advantage is one that hasn't been discovered yet.
We're fighting a kind of electronic 'cold war', where the only advantage is one that hasn't been discovered yet. ((Please note:-áAt times, my characters-ámay be a-holes, but-áI am most certainly not.-áWhat they say IC has no bearing on my OOC opinions or behaviors, and I apologize in advance if you are offended OOC by anything I might say or do-áIC.)) |
Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
176
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Posted - 2012.02.28 17:16:00 -
[169] - Quote
Lady Spink wrote:doyilooki wrote:Did you think about this all by yourself? No i just misread statistics.
Fixed that for you.
Quote: YZ-UKA Champion 14000 kills per day.
350-400 jumps per day doesn't strike you as a lot for a backwater system that has no outpost?
In general, your list of suspect systems seems to correlate lower truesec with more ratting. Congrats on finding out that people prefer to rat in systems with better rats.
Also, some of those systems see a lot of hostile roaming gangs (basically anything near VFK--check ship/pod kills) and would be incredibly stupid places to bot. But wire me that isk and see for yourself if you don't believe me. Just promise you'll tell everyone the truth. |
Lady Spink
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2012.02.28 17:59:00 -
[170] - Quote
Johnny Marzetti wrote: Also, some of those systems see a lot of hostile roaming gangs (basically anything near VFK--check ship/pod kills) and would be incredibly stupid places to bot. But wire me that isk and see for yourself if you don't believe me. Just promise you'll tell everyone the truth.
Well i just went down 5 systems on that list and couldn't find a single pvp kill
You don't have to lie, i mean, I don't care about the bots you are not using in the Alliance. I just care about the real sins you are committing on the forums.
Don't pretend to be a honorable knight while you are just a bored crook.
I would have never done the research if you would make a topic:
"We are too bored for our 0.0 systems So we kill miners and we like their tears"
Even with this title you can masquerade the possibility of market manipulation but i guess most people wont even accumulate that to the sins of GS. |
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Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
178
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Posted - 2012.02.28 18:21:00 -
[171] - Quote
Lady Spink wrote: Well i just went down 5 systems on that list and couldn't find a single pvp kill
lol okay well with your amazing dotlan skills i think you should go ahead and make your case to ccp
Quote: You don't have to lie, i mean, I don't care about the bots you are not using in the Alliance. I just care about the real sins you are committing on the forums.
Don't pretend to be a honorable knight while you are just a bored crook.
How dare you attempt to tarnish the legendary honour of the space knights of Goonswarm federation? A reputation we go to great lengths to cultivate and preserve through our noble actions and righteous behavior.
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Nephilius
Grey Legionaires
322
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Posted - 2012.02.28 21:43:00 -
[172] - Quote
The Sardukar wrote:The Sardukar wrote:Razzor Death wrote:The Sardukar wrote:Chribba wrote:If only you were able to hit the spam bots too that sit in station 23.5/7 spamming... Not to mention the ratting bots running around Deklein and surrounding regions heh let me guess, you read that on Evenew24 the site most famous for publishing a full blown guide on botting. You guess wrong "One of our illustrious members (let's call him "Ibertizzle") keeps losing Tengus to Russians and French people. This is a sensitive - even a touchy - subject, so let me say that while he is, indeed, a keen ratter - a very keen ratter if we are honest - we have one rule in Goonswarm: we don't **** other goons. Oh and we don't play cop for CCP in their own game by reporting or petitioning goons, either: that's Darius Johnson's job." The Mittani, September 28, 2011 (source: Kugu)
Ah, you beat me to it.
To stand before a man at an inquisition, knowing that he will rejoice when we die, knowing that he will commit us to the stake and its horrors without a moment's hesitation or remorse if we do not satisfy him, is not an experience much less cruel because our inquisitor does not whip us or rack us or shout at us. |
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
242
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Posted - 2012.02.28 23:14:00 -
[173] - Quote
Valentyn3 wrote:Well, they are certainly the saviors of the General Discusion forums. If it weren't for all this E-drama we might still be subjected to tards crying for Drake nerfs.
Apropos nothing else whatsoever, Darius III calls it bang-on right, when he say the much-bruit'ed-about (maybe/maybe not; We still don't know if it will happen, or what form it will take if it does) Drake nerf is an "abomination."
It totally is on so many levels, it's not even funny.
Now, back to our regularly scheduled programme.
I are kyute kitten! I are in ur mishun! Redoosin' teh lag by ninja'ing ur wrekz! (CCP: Make wrecks probable, and after 30min., tractorable.) |
Endeavour Starfleet
680
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Posted - 2012.02.28 23:56:00 -
[174] - Quote
Razzor Death wrote:The Sardukar wrote:From twitter (EnderCapitalG is a member of Goonwaffe)
Andrew WigginGÇÅ@EnderCapitalG: So CCP went through and hit a lot of hbot users today. Don't run them 23.5/7 next time guys Andrew WigginGÇÅ@EnderCapitalG: Oh man. Just talked to several bot users and they said they were only hit with a 14 day ban You deliver every time
Can you detail whats going on here then and what Goons plan to do about this issue? |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
202
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Posted - 2012.02.28 23:57:00 -
[175] - Quote
Was he talking to drone region people? We really should invade drone region to get minerals for our Tit- oh wait, they're being nerfed.
Johnny Marzetti wrote:How dare you attempt to tarnish the legendary honour of the space knights of Goonswarm federation? A reputation we go to great lengths to cultivate and preserve through our noble actions and righteous behavior.
Tsk. Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |
Lady Spink
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2012.02.29 00:11:00 -
[176] - Quote
Btw it seems that the bat country gankers have been banned now.
I dont see any recent ganking kills anymore.
Thanks CCP
*Getting back in my mack now |
Valentyn3
Deep Core Mining Inc.
67
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Posted - 2012.02.29 00:16:00 -
[177] - Quote
Lady Spink wrote:Btw it seems that the bat country gankers have been banned now.
I dont see any recent ganking kills anymore.
Thanks CCP
*Getting back in my mack now
Where/when was this made public? Even if it's true, they don't seem like the kind of people to let something like a banning keep them from playing. EVE why u no obey Newtonian Physics? Sure wish I could fit med artillery on my frigate to. http://i.imgur.com/PUZou.jpg I used to have an avatar background like you but then I took a 404 filenotfound in the knee. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
202
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Posted - 2012.02.29 00:28:00 -
[178] - Quote
Did they reach 1000 bots already? That was fast.
op success! Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |
Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc
35
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Posted - 2012.02.29 01:30:00 -
[179] - Quote
Goods: they'll troll you and be serious at the same time.
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Valentyn3 wrote: I'd say a great indicator is no reaction to being targeted when the guy next to you just got popped.
This only applies to minerals mining. Ice miners have like 12 to 18 minutes long cycles, you could pop half a belt before they alt tab back to check what's going on. Edit: actually, while a real pilot will not stay forever watching paint ehm roids dry, a bot can be programmed to always check for flagged corp / ship kinds in local / arriving at belt and warp out. So the bot escapes, the real player does not. Besides the "23/7" and the calling pilots with patterns (i.e. Joe01, Joe02 etc) I don't see any way to discern between a bot and an human. Only basic way is to pop them and see if the pod keeps going from belt to station and vice versa, but I have noticed some bots now detect the pop and don't warp the pod to belt. They stay just outside of the station.
In my experience, bots will completely ignore me until I fire upon them. I figure the best way to check if they're a bot is to try to message them and wait until they leave the belt and come back. If they're not botting, they will have seen your popup to chat with them. That requires patience, though, so it's all a matter of whether or not you deem saving the players to be a worthy enough cause. I support The Mittani for CSM 7 for the whole of EVE, including mining. |
Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
181
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Posted - 2012.02.29 02:05:00 -
[180] - Quote
Valentyn3 wrote:Lady Spink wrote:Btw it seems that the bat country gankers have been banned now.
I dont see any recent ganking kills anymore.
Thanks CCP
*Getting back in my mack now Where/when was this made public? Even if it's true, they don't seem like the kind of people to let something like a banning keep them from playing.
It's true, they were all banned in the recent mass bot bannings. You guys were right, they were hypocrites and now you can safely mine ice anywhere.
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
206
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Posted - 2012.02.29 05:01:00 -
[181] - Quote
Johnny Marzetti wrote:It's true, they were all banned in the recent mass bot bannings. You guys were right, they were hypocrites and now you can safely mine ice anywhere. Heh, now to manually mine ice. Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |
Willard Mitt Romney
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
8
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Posted - 2012.02.29 16:14:00 -
[182] - Quote
Razzor Death wrote:The Sardukar wrote:From twitter (EnderCapitalG is a member of Goonwaffe)
Andrew WigginGÇÅ@EnderCapitalG: So CCP went through and hit a lot of hbot users today. Don't run them 23.5/7 next time guys Andrew WigginGÇÅ@EnderCapitalG: Oh man. Just talked to several bot users and they said they were only hit with a 14 day ban You deliver every time Well this is a negative blow to the Goon Party's prestige. It's image projection or branding, as it were. Said projection of image seeming to be: Vile. Larcenous. Profane. Arrogant. Derisory. Creative (in terms of media productions). Elite. Moneyed. But here we see the brand image taking a smack. To wit, evidence is presented of Goons botting away, like anybody else. Like anybody else who needs isk -a lot of isk- and doesn't care how he gets it. Take Moneyed out of the brand image. Like anybody in a newly-industrialized country running an organized bot operation. Also take Elite out of the brand image. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
206
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Posted - 2012.02.29 16:33:00 -
[183] - Quote
Willard Mitt Romney wrote: Well this is a negative blow to the Goon Party's prestige. It's image projection or branding, as it were. Said projection of image seeming to be: .... Elite. Also take Elite out of the brand image.
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Emphasis added
You heard that guys, people actually thought were were ~elite~? And only now realizing we are terrible at EVE Online, a Turret Titans Blapping Forever Game Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |
Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
189
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Posted - 2012.02.29 17:52:00 -
[184] - Quote
hey guys let me show you this retweet where someone in goonswarm says he talked to a botter
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The Sardukar
State Protectorate Caldari State
13
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Posted - 2012.02.29 18:09:00 -
[185] - Quote
Willard Mitt Romney wrote: Well this is a negative blow to the Goon Party's prestige.
Dont bother. To quote The Mittani from his latest entry on Sins of a solar spymaster" over at Ten Ton Hammer:
"Because Goonswarm has thrived since September 2005 - making it one of the longest-lived alliances in the history of the game - there is no need for a Goonswarm pilot to generate or maintain an GÇÿEVE resumeGÇÖ[...] In practice, this means that Goons [...] can be outright bastards to everyone else in the EVE [...] and get away with it. The gameGÇÖs normal culture of honor doesnGÇÖt apply"
Look at this in view of this previously posted quote:
"One of our illustrious members (let's call him "Ibertizzle") keeps losing Tengus to Russians and French people. This is a sensitive - even a touchy - subject, so let me say that while he is, indeed, a keen ratter - a very keen ratter if we are honest - we have one rule in Goonswarm: we don't **** other goons. Oh and we don't play cop for CCP in their own game by reporting or petitioning goons, either: that's Darius Johnson's job."
So basically, not only does the "games normal culture of honor" not apply to the Goons in-game, it doesnt really apply to the Goons when it comes to the question of cheating either. Its up to CCP to catch them if they can. This is the culture that permeates the SA community, and I am afraid you just have to deal with it. |
baltec1
742
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Posted - 2012.02.29 18:20:00 -
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The Sardukar wrote:Willard Mitt Romney wrote: Well this is a negative blow to the Goon Party's prestige.
Dont bother. To quote The Mittani from his latest entry on Sins of a solar spymaster" over at Ten Ton Hammer: "Because Goonswarm has thrived since September 2005 - making it one of the longest-lived alliances in the history of the game - there is no need for a Goonswarm pilot to generate or maintain an GÇÿEVE resumeGÇÖ[...] In practice, this means that Goons [...] can be outright bastards to everyone else in the EVE [...] and get away with it. The gameGÇÖs normal culture of honor doesnGÇÖt apply" Look at this in view of this previously posted quote: "One of our illustrious members (let's call him "Ibertizzle") keeps losing Tengus to Russians and French people. This is a sensitive - even a touchy - subject, so let me say that while he is, indeed, a keen ratter - a very keen ratter if we are honest - we have one rule in Goonswarm: we don't **** other goons. Oh and we don't play cop for CCP in their own game by reporting or petitioning goons, either: that's Darius Johnson's job." So basically, not only does the "games normal culture of honor" not apply to the Goons in-game, it doesnt really apply to the Goons when it comes to the question of cheating either. Its up to CCP to catch them if they can. This is the culture that permeates the SA community, and I am afraid you just have to deal with it.
Context. You should stop taking out of it. |
Ioci
Bad Girl Posse
83
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Posted - 2012.02.29 19:48:00 -
[187] - Quote
Johnny Marzetti wrote:Don't listen to that guy.
You can just send the isk to me, but you can verify with any GoonWaffe director if you need to.
I'd send you a billion but I spent it in my vanity alliance name. As for Ice, I'm buying Strontium for the Dust bunny siege wars, keep your topes. |
Willard Mitt Romney
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
8
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Posted - 2012.02.29 19:55:00 -
[188] - Quote
The Sardukar wrote:Willard Mitt Romney wrote: Well this is a negative blow to the Goon Party's prestige.
Dont bother. To quote The Mittani from his latest entry on Sins of a solar spymaster" over at Ten Ton Hammer: "Because Goonswarm has thrived since September 2005 - making it one of the longest-lived alliances in the history of the game - there is no need for a Goonswarm pilot to generate or maintain an GÇÿEVE resumeGÇÖ[...] In practice, this means that Goons [...] can be outright bastards to everyone else in the EVE [...] and get away with it. The gameGÇÖs normal culture of honor doesnGÇÖt apply" Look at this in view of this previously posted quote: "One of our illustrious members (let's call him "Ibertizzle") keeps losing Tengus to Russians and French people. This is a sensitive - even a touchy - subject, so let me say that while he is, indeed, a keen ratter - a very keen ratter if we are honest - we have one rule in Goonswarm: we don't **** other goons. Oh and we don't play cop for CCP in their own game by reporting or petitioning goons, either: that's Darius Johnson's job." So basically, not only does the "games normal culture of honor" not apply to the Goons in-game, it doesnt really apply to the Goons when it comes to the question of cheating either. Its up to CCP to catch them if they can. This is the culture that permeates the SA community, and I am afraid you just have to deal with it. I see your point. But being 'outright bastards to everyone else in EVE' is one thing. Getting away with it is could even be considered commendable. You know, make enemies, be despicable, but you're tough enough that nobody can do much about it. But going outside the framework of the game and making isk (a resource for power) via bot mining-- that's another thing. Kind of puts a hole in the "I earned the right to be obnoxious" thing. |
Razzor Death
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
152
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Posted - 2012.02.29 19:55:00 -
[189] - Quote
This is a friendly reminder from the Bat Country Corporation, We love you High Sec and the Bat Country Corporation of justice will always be here for you whenever you become incapable of dealing with your own problems.
Please continue to leave your comments of admiration and respect below GÖÑ |
Razzor Death
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
152
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Posted - 2012.02.29 19:57:00 -
[190] - Quote
Apart from Lady Spank, when you have to put in more effort than the OP its time to rethink your strategy. |
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The Sardukar
State Protectorate Caldari State
13
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Posted - 2012.02.29 20:37:00 -
[191] - Quote
Willard Mitt Romney wrote: I see your point. But being 'outright bastards to everyone else in EVE' is one thing. Getting away with it is could even be considered commendable. You know, make enemies, be despicable, but you're tough enough that nobody can do much about it. But going outside the framework of the game and making isk (a resource for power) via bot mining-- that's another thing. Kind of puts a hole in the "I earned the right to be obnoxious" thing.
It cuts deeper than that. The Mittani divides the EVE Community into "EVE born" and (outside) "community born", with Goons beeng an example of the latter originating from the somthing aweful community. He then goes on to praise how "community born" EVE players are freed form the shackles the "EVE born" players have to endure to gain accept into the greater EVE community (no scams, no corp thefts etc), i.e. free to be "absolute bastards" to other EVE players.
But there is one more important aspect to it that he does not mention directly. Because a community born EVE player draws his identity from outside of EVE, there is no real incentive to ensure that EVE succeeds. If EVE fails, they will just move on to play other games as a community. So cheating isnt really a big deal for them, as long as it serves the needs of their community. As a "EVE-born" EVE player you can thus rage all you want against cheating going on, but to be perfectly honest with you, they are not gonna care one tiny little bit. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1708
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Posted - 2012.02.29 20:38:00 -
[192] - Quote
Willard Mitt Romney wrote:Razzor Death wrote:The Sardukar wrote:From twitter (EnderCapitalG is a member of Goonwaffe)
Andrew WigginGÇÅ@EnderCapitalG: So CCP went through and hit a lot of hbot users today. Don't run them 23.5/7 next time guys Andrew WigginGÇÅ@EnderCapitalG: Oh man. Just talked to several bot users and they said they were only hit with a 14 day ban You deliver every time Well this is a negative blow to the Goon Party's prestige. It's image projection or branding, as it were. Said projection of image seeming to be: Vile. Larcenous. Profane. Arrogant. Derisory. Creative (in terms of media productions). Elite. Moneyed. But here we see the brand image taking a smack. To wit, evidence is presented of Goons botting away, like anybody else. Like anybody else who needs isk -a lot of isk- and doesn't care how he gets it. Take Moneyed out of the brand image. Like anybody in a newly-industrialized country running an organized bot operation. Also take Elite out of the brand image.
Oh no...OUR PRESTIGE
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Razzor Death
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
152
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Posted - 2012.02.29 20:44:00 -
[193] - Quote
our COURAGEHONOURDUTY |
Razzor Death
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
152
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Posted - 2012.02.29 20:45:00 -
[194] - Quote
Or something to that extent |
Willard Mitt Romney
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
9
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Posted - 2012.02.29 22:16:00 -
[195] - Quote
Razzor Death wrote:Apart from Lady Spank, when you have to put in more effort than the OP its time to rethink your strategy. No worries, it's actually a pleasure. We're not really speaking to Goons anyway. You guys don't really fight back, you usually just respond with 4-8 words saying basically 'har har har, I know you are-- what about me?' We're (I'm-- just speaking for myself actually) talking to the rest of EO. Why? Because your leader is running for CSM. Just trying to bring negative but true things out for the EO community to see. Nothing personal. |
Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
189
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Posted - 2012.02.29 23:20:00 -
[196] - Quote
Willard Mitt Romney wrote: I see your point. But being 'outright bastards to everyone else in EVE' is one thing. Getting away with it is could even be considered commendable. You know, make enemies, be despicable, but you're tough enough that nobody can do much about it. But going outside the framework of the game and making isk (a resource for power) via bot mining-- that's another thing. Kind of puts a hole in the "I earned the right to be obnoxious" thing.
That's quite a leap, going from Goons don't do CCP's policing for them or report other Goons, to Goons are all involved in some bot conspiracy. Oh, of course you don't actually say that, but it's the conclusion you want to lead the reader to make as if it were some kind of established fact and not the wild conjecture that it actually is.
Hmm, all those botter bannings, and yet NPC kills in Deklein systems haven't really dropped. Is CCP complicit in Goons' botting, or was there just not really any botting to begin with? If you're certain it's the former then I have a long form Kenyan birth certificate to sell you and if you act now I'll throw in a grassy knoll at no additional charge. |
Charles Case
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
19
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Posted - 2012.02.29 23:38:00 -
[197] - Quote
PM me for info on how to setup a bot network.
PLEASE NOTE: i WILL NOT respond to anyone that is EVE-born ok. community born ONLY
Please send a copy of your birth certificate in your message. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
206
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Posted - 2012.03.01 02:50:00 -
[198] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Oh no...OUR PRESTIGE
Razzor Death wrote:our COURAGEHONOURDUTY We;re gonna start cascading right now.
Johnny Marzetti wrote:I have a long form Kenyan birth certificate to sell you and if you act now I'll throw in a grassy knoll at no additional charge. Grassy knolls in SPACE?
What would I want a birth certificate from Kenya for? Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |
Endeavour Starfleet
682
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Posted - 2012.03.01 05:49:00 -
[199] - Quote
Goons if I may. While forum sillyness is fun I am requesting a response on that allegation of goons not reporting other goons.
Can you provide the full story on that and how things have changed? |
Lady Spink
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
6
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Posted - 2012.03.01 06:57:00 -
[200] - Quote
Most of them have been banned.
I was able to infiltrate in gs. It seems some billions still give you possibilities.
I have reported about 50 bots in deklein region. Haven't seen them online since then.
I guess next time goonswarm announces a hulkagedddon, they tell their members to turn of their bots.
And ofcourse for 10 billion I will let someone in GS know which corp arranged my access. |
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Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
190
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Posted - 2012.03.01 16:42:00 -
[201] - Quote
Lady Spink wrote:Most of them have been banned.
I was able to infiltrate in gs. It seems some billions still give you possibilities.
I have reported about 50 bots in deklein region. Haven't seen them online since then.
I guess next time goonswarm announces a hulkagedddon, they tell their members to turn of their bots.
And ofcourse for 10 billion I will let someone in GS know which corp arranged my access.
A nice attempt at Goonswarm fanfiction but a little too much Mary Sue for my tastes. As long as it doesn't get into Mittani/DBRB slashfic I encourage you to continue posting your work.
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baltec1
744
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Posted - 2012.03.01 16:49:00 -
[202] - Quote
Lady Spink wrote:Most of them have been banned.
I was able to infiltrate in gs. It seems some billions still give you possibilities.
I have reported about 50 bots in deklein region. Haven't seen them online since then.
I guess next time goonswarm announces a hulkagedddon, they tell their members to turn of their bots.
And ofcourse for 10 billion I will let someone in GS know which corp arranged my access.
Confiming we have all been banned as the reason to our slacking off and not because the bulk of our targets have been banned. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
747
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Posted - 2012.03.01 17:09:00 -
[203] - Quote
Razzor Death wrote: Things in this department have been running very smoothly with 4bill+ so far being paid out to those that ...
AKA: Shoot anything with a mining laser and let God sort 'em out.
Mr Epeen
Me too!-á I ate one sour, too! |
Killer Gandry
V I R I I Ineluctable.
58
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Posted - 2012.03.01 18:11:00 -
[204] - Quote
So let me set the facts straight.
Goonswarm finds another way to manipulate the market by pro-activly setting forth in public which regions they are going to kill ice-miners as much as possible. Result: Prices for certain ice types go up and subsequentially their own bo... uhm sorry, ice mining players benefit from said price increase. System works rather well so they extend it by trying to get more people involved, the ones outside Goonswarm not knowing they are merely doing Goonswarms handywork in providing them a better income, and wrap it up then within the propoganda of a war against bots.
Meanwhile in Deklein the bo... sorry once again, the ice mining players (we all know how much certain people in Goonswarm love to mine ice activly) happily mine along.
The community not realising the plan behind it all falls over eachother in utter admiration without realising they are being manipulated and / or even used to benefit the Goonswarm. The ones crying about the whole thing refuse to gather up and pick up their pitchforks and torches to get rid of the menace for various reasons.
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baltec1
745
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Posted - 2012.03.01 18:23:00 -
[205] - Quote
Killer Gandry wrote:So let me set the facts straight.
Goonswarm finds another way to manipulate the market by pro-activly setting forth in public which regions they are going to kill ice-miners as much as possible. Result: Prices for certain ice types go up and subsequentially their own bo... uhm sorry, ice mining players benefit from said price increase. System works rather well so they extend it by trying to get more people involved, the ones outside Goonswarm not knowing they are merely doing Goonswarms handywork in providing them a better income, and wrap it up then within the propoganda of a war against bots.
Meanwhile in Deklein the bo... sorry once again, the ice mining players (we all know how much certain people in Goonswarm love to mine ice activly) happily mine along.
The community not realising the plan behind it all falls over eachother in utter admiration without realising they are being manipulated and / or even used to benefit the Goonswarm. The ones crying about the whole thing refuse to gather up and pick up their pitchforks and torches to get rid of the menace for various reasons.
Fun fact. The price of Ice did not rise very far untill the EVEnews24 report that said go buy ice while its cheap. |
Killer Gandry
V I R I I Ineluctable.
58
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Posted - 2012.03.01 19:52:00 -
[206] - Quote
Ow I know, it just proves how easy it is to manipulate the suckers at EN24
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Berke Negri
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
38
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Posted - 2012.03.01 20:21:00 -
[207] - Quote
Lady Spink wrote:Most of them have been banned.
I was able to infiltrate in gs. It seems some billions still give you possibilities.
I have reported about 50 bots in deklein region. Haven't seen them online since then.
I guess next time goonswarm announces a hulkagedddon, they tell their members to turn of their bots.
And ofcourse for 10 billion I will let someone in GS know which corp arranged my access. look anyone can make a reddit account |
Killer Gandry
V I R I I Ineluctable.
60
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Posted - 2012.03.01 21:21:00 -
[208] - Quote
Yes, and it requires "special" people to make a Goonswarm account.
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Berke Negri
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
39
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Posted - 2012.03.01 22:00:00 -
[209] - Quote
Killer Gandry wrote:Yes, and it requires "special" people to make a Goonswarm account.
the :tenbux: mystique |
Tarsus Zateki
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
69
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Posted - 2012.03.01 22:23:00 -
[210] - Quote
Killer Gandry wrote:...ice mining players...
No goons mine; let alone mine ice.
If you happen to find a goon mining Ice in Deklein please tell us as soon as possible so we can blow the **** out of them. Or do it yourself and I'll give you a nice little present.
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
208
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Posted - 2012.03.01 23:47:00 -
[211] - Quote
Tarsus Zateki wrote:No goons mine; let alone mine ice.
If you happen to find a goon mining Ice in Deklein please tell us as soon as possible so we can blow the **** out of them. Or do it yourself and I'll give you a nice little present. We totally mine ice for hours on end. How else could we get past the ~elite blockade~ forces of Occupational: Gate Camp or whatever?
.. wait a sec. Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |
Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
194
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Posted - 2012.03.02 00:57:00 -
[212] - Quote
Killer Gandry wrote: Meanwhile in Deklein the bo... sorry once again, the ice mining players (we all know how much certain people in Goonswarm love to mine ice activly) happily mine along.
Heh, I'm starting to like your gimmick |
Killer Gandry
V I R I I Ineluctable.
61
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Posted - 2012.03.02 01:46:00 -
[213] - Quote
Johnny Marzetti wrote: Heh, I'm starting to like your gimmick
Damn you, DAMN YOU TO HE... ow wait your already there.
Ah well, time to find a new gimmick.
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Willard Mitt Romney
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
11
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Posted - 2012.03.02 19:20:00 -
[214] - Quote
Johnny Marzetti wrote:Willard Mitt Romney wrote: I see your point. But being 'outright bastards to everyone else in EVE' is one thing. Getting away with it is could even be considered commendable. You know, make enemies, be despicable, but you're tough enough that nobody can do much about it. But going outside the framework of the game and making isk (a resource for power) via bot mining-- that's another thing. Kind of puts a hole in the "I earned the right to be obnoxious" thing.
That's quite a leap, going from Goons don't do CCP's policing for them or report other Goons, to Goons are all involved in some bot conspiracy. Oh, of course you don't actually say that, but it's the conclusion you want to lead the reader to make as if it were some kind of established fact and not the wild conjecture that it actually is. Hmm, all those botter bannings, and yet NPC kills in Deklein systems haven't really dropped. Is CCP complicit in Goons' botting, or was there just not really any botting to begin with? If you're certain it's the former then I have a long form Kenyan birth certificate to sell you and if you act now I'll throw in a grassy knoll at no additional charge. Yes, Mr. Marzetti, I was definitely suggesting that Goons do widescale bot mining. Well actually, I was just raising the topic, since there have been a lot of rumors and accusations about that. Now that we have some responses back, I'm not convinced that Goons are big time botters. Maybe didn't report a Goon botter or two, but that's different than running a full-scale botting operation. Thanks for the responses. |
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