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Hroya
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Posted - 2012.02.28 01:57:00 -
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If you think this is a war on bots, then nasa need look no further, we found aliens on our planet.
It's not about bots, it's not about propaganda, It's not about tears ( partially maybe )
It's just something you CAN do with resources and manpower at your disposal, if you want to to keep yourself entertained. Any shifting of market, prices, rmt, ballance, tears and asorted chabang is just a bonus.
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Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
163
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Posted - 2012.02.28 03:50:00 -
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Lady Spink wrote: "proof"
The only thing you've proven is that you don't know anything about 0.0.
Well, and you've proven yourself to be a bad poster, so I guess that's two things. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1686
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Posted - 2012.02.28 04:05:00 -
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Lady Spink wrote:Johnny Marzetti wrote:I don't think you're getting a very good education at Pator Tech School, Lady Spink. For sure! I've never learned for lying, ignorance and hypocricy like the goons have to. Anyways. Lets ask ccp to run statistics on all accounts active in these systems.... The goons say they have nothing to hide. Multiple statistics give "proof" that something is wrong. I would suggest that the goonswarm federation requests this from ccp so they can earn a medal of an honest non botting federation. This would be something to be proud on.
So which horrible alliance does your main belong to and when did we last kill them?
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Lady Spink
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2012.02.28 06:58:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:
So which horrible alliance does your main belong to and when did we last kill them?
I am sorry to dissapoint you.
The only one who ever killed me, is concord.
I do exactly the same as the goons. But i am not masquerading the reason. I just kill for the mining tears. The only difference is Bat country are killing mining vessels with the so called reaon to get rid of the bots. And that is the whole point. Its not about the bots because that is hypocricy. They are bored in o.o and their own bots are running while ccp does nothing about it, meanwhile they are increasing the eficciency of their own bots by killling the high sec bots.
I realy have no issue with that but just dont be a liar. And don't advertise that you are the saviours of eve. |
Valentyn3
58
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Posted - 2012.02.28 07:07:00 -
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Well, they are certainly the saviors of the General Discusion forums. If it weren't for all this E-drama we might still be subjected to tards crying for Drake nerfs. EVE why u no obey Newtonian Physics? Sure wish I could fit med artillery on my frigate to. http://i.imgur.com/PUZou.jpg |
doyilooki
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
4
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Posted - 2012.02.28 07:30:00 -
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Lady Spink wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:
So which horrible alliance does your main belong to and when did we last kill them?
I am sorry to dissapoint you. The only one who ever killed me, is concord. I do exactly the same as the goons. But i am not masquerading the reason. I just kill for the mining tears. The only difference is Bat country are killing mining vessels with the so called reaon to get rid of the bots. And that is the whole point. Its not about the bots because that is hypocricy. They are bored in o.o and their own bots are running while ccp does nothing about it, meanwhile they are increasing the eficciency of their own bots by killling the high sec bots. I realy have no issue with that but just dont be a liar. And don't advertise that you are the saviours of eve.
Did you think about this all by yourself?
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1689
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Posted - 2012.02.28 09:52:00 -
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Lady Spink wrote:They are bored in o.o and their own bots are running while ccp does nothing about it, meanwhile they are increasing the eficciency of their own bots by killling the high sec bots.
Can you tell me where Bat Country's mining bots are running? I will go blow them up.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Lady Spink
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2012.02.28 10:55:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote: Can you tell me where Bat Country's mining bots are running? I will go blow them up.
No I Can't. Botting tools are set to log out when a non blue enters the system. So it is very hard to prove by someone. The only one who can prove it, is CCP but they have no interest in that. They want to have big alliances and huge capital battles to score big on the MMO market. so removing bots from the alliance is not good for them.
As i posted before. You can check statistics on all your systems. if you find some interesting stats. go there and start monitoring.
What we could do to end the Goonswarm (and its renters) bot setups is to allow 10 of my toons into an existing GS corporation f.e. Goonwaffe. This way i can spy up 10 systems at the same time. I will do the bot reporting and comms with ccp so you don't have to spend time on it.
Let me know if you agree to this. keep in mind that this will end the GS fedaration very fast so please make sure that it is all worth it for you.
I need to do this with other alliances as well. However they are not whining on the forums that they are actually doing good for the game that they are removing bots from high sec. they just gank and have the mining tears. |
Razzor Death
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
127
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Posted - 2012.02.28 10:57:00 -
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iskies toonies mommies goonies |
Lady Spink
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2012.02.28 11:16:00 -
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doyilooki wrote:Did you think about this all by yourself?
No i just read statistics.
anyways. to make it easy for you guys. If i had access to Goonswarm regions i would start monitoring these systems:
0V0R-R 3JN9-Q O-2RNZ OWXT-5 CZDJ-1 RG9-7U UEJX-G UJY-HE C7Y-7Z 9CK-KZ GY5-26 MZ1E-P WUZ-WM 7T6P-C 85-B52 8S28-3 E-FIC0 RO0-AF YZ-UKA Champion 14000 kills per day. I30-3A JU-OWQ NC-N3F S-DN5M ZZZR-5 YA0-XJ TXME-A
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Grog Barrel
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
20
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Posted - 2012.02.28 12:05:00 -
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[insert random tool's cheap propaganda message here] |
Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
165
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Posted - 2012.02.28 15:13:00 -
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Lady Spink wrote: What we could do to end the Goonswarm (and its renters) bot setups is to allow 10 of my toons into an existing GS corporation f.e. Goonwaffe. This way i can spy up 10 systems at the same time. I will do the bot reporting and comms with ccp so you don't have to spend time on it.
Let me know if you agree to this. keep in mind that this will end the GS fedaration very fast so please make sure that it is all worth it for you.
I need to do this with other alliances as well. However they are not whining on the forums that they are actually doing good for the game that they are removing bots from high sec. they just gank and have the mining tears.
I can arrange this for you because I'm sure you will not find any of the activity you claim exists. However, I need to be sure you're not going to get into our alliance just to awox, and since this is a public thing it could be a huge embarrassment if you do, so it won't be possible without a billion isk security deposit for each toon to be returned after one month. However, I'm so certain that you will not find anything that I will refund you double that if you do find any botters.
I'm good for it and have the authority to do this, but I can have a director verify that for you if you wish.
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Lady Spink
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2012.02.28 15:23:00 -
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Johnny Marzetti wrote: I can arrange this for you because I'm sure you will not find any of the activity you claim exists. However, I need to be sure you're not going to get into our alliance just to awox, and since this is a public thing it could be a huge embarrassment if you do, so it won't be possible without a billion isk security deposit for each toon to be returned after one month. However, I'm so certain that you will not find anything that I will refund you double that if you do find any botters.
I'm good for it and have the authority to do this, but I can have a director verify that for you if you wish.
Ok that sounds fine will it be a scam or not? From what I understand, GS is a noble Alliance without any history of ganking and scamming.
This is between you and me. ssssht. The numbers are unhuman so i don't really need to get into the systems. It would be the task for CCP to balance the game and remove the bots from the systems mentioned above.
But for me it would be a perfect way to kill blues once i am inside a GS corporation. This would be really funny you know! it's nearly the same thrill as ganking high sec miners!
Anyways, to whom shall i wire the ISK's to get invited to Goonwaffe?
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ConranAntoni
Empyrean Warriors The Obsidian Front
6
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Posted - 2012.02.28 15:31:00 -
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Praise be to the swarm in their crusade against the sinister skynet mining bots.
Now do EvE a favour and headshot riverini. |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
327
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Posted - 2012.02.28 16:11:00 -
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ConranAntoni wrote:
Now do EvE a favour and headshot riverini.
Duh, doesn't he do that by himself quite good? Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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arcca jeth
Dark Alliance Dark Empire Alliance
76
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Posted - 2012.02.28 16:30:00 -
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Lady Spink wrote:Johnny Marzetti wrote: I can arrange this for you because I'm sure you will not find any of the activity you claim exists. However, I need to be sure you're not going to get into our alliance just to awox, and since this is a public thing it could be a huge embarrassment if you do, so it won't be possible without a billion isk security deposit for each toon to be returned after one month. However, I'm so certain that you will not find anything that I will refund you double that if you do find any botters.
I'm good for it and have the authority to do this, but I can have a director verify that for you if you wish.
Ok that sounds fine will it be a scam or not? From what I understand, GS is a noble Alliance without any history of ganking and scamming. This is between you and me. ssssht. The numbers are unhuman so i don't really need to get into the systems. It would be the task for CCP to balance the game and remove the bots from the systems mentioned above. But for me it would be a perfect way to kill blues once i am inside a GS corporation. This would be really funny you know! it's nearly the same thrill as ganking high sec miners! Anyways, to whom shall i wire the ISK's to get invited to Goonwaffe?
you aren't seriously falling for the deposit scam are you? lmao
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Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
176
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Posted - 2012.02.28 16:39:00 -
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Don't listen to that guy.
You can just send the isk to me, but you can verify with any GoonWaffe director if you need to. |
Astrid Stjerna
Teraa Matar
618
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Posted - 2012.02.28 16:47:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Besides the "23/7" and the calling pilots with patterns (i.e. Joe01, Joe02 etc) I don't see any way to discern between a bot and an human
Unfortunately, even if a reliable system can be found, there will eventually be a way around it. CCP has more anti-bot tools available than we're made aware of on a day-to-day basis, but to maintain the effectiveness of their arsenal, they (and most other MMO companies) generally don't advertise their tactics.
Bots are a scourge, innocent people get caught in the crossfire. That's what it boils down to. We're fighting a kind of electronic 'cold war', where the only advantage is one that hasn't been discovered yet.
We're fighting a kind of electronic 'cold war', where the only advantage is one that hasn't been discovered yet. ((Please note:-áAt times, my characters-ámay be a-holes, but-áI am most certainly not.-áWhat they say IC has no bearing on my OOC opinions or behaviors, and I apologize in advance if you are offended OOC by anything I might say or do-áIC.)) |
Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
176
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Posted - 2012.02.28 17:16:00 -
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Lady Spink wrote:doyilooki wrote:Did you think about this all by yourself? No i just misread statistics.
Fixed that for you.
Quote: YZ-UKA Champion 14000 kills per day.
350-400 jumps per day doesn't strike you as a lot for a backwater system that has no outpost?
In general, your list of suspect systems seems to correlate lower truesec with more ratting. Congrats on finding out that people prefer to rat in systems with better rats.
Also, some of those systems see a lot of hostile roaming gangs (basically anything near VFK--check ship/pod kills) and would be incredibly stupid places to bot. But wire me that isk and see for yourself if you don't believe me. Just promise you'll tell everyone the truth. |
Lady Spink
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2012.02.28 17:59:00 -
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Johnny Marzetti wrote: Also, some of those systems see a lot of hostile roaming gangs (basically anything near VFK--check ship/pod kills) and would be incredibly stupid places to bot. But wire me that isk and see for yourself if you don't believe me. Just promise you'll tell everyone the truth.
Well i just went down 5 systems on that list and couldn't find a single pvp kill
You don't have to lie, i mean, I don't care about the bots you are not using in the Alliance. I just care about the real sins you are committing on the forums.
Don't pretend to be a honorable knight while you are just a bored crook.
I would have never done the research if you would make a topic:
"We are too bored for our 0.0 systems So we kill miners and we like their tears"
Even with this title you can masquerade the possibility of market manipulation but i guess most people wont even accumulate that to the sins of GS. |
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Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
178
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Posted - 2012.02.28 18:21:00 -
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Lady Spink wrote: Well i just went down 5 systems on that list and couldn't find a single pvp kill
lol okay well with your amazing dotlan skills i think you should go ahead and make your case to ccp
Quote: You don't have to lie, i mean, I don't care about the bots you are not using in the Alliance. I just care about the real sins you are committing on the forums.
Don't pretend to be a honorable knight while you are just a bored crook.
How dare you attempt to tarnish the legendary honour of the space knights of Goonswarm federation? A reputation we go to great lengths to cultivate and preserve through our noble actions and righteous behavior.
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Nephilius
Grey Legionaires
322
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Posted - 2012.02.28 21:43:00 -
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The Sardukar wrote:The Sardukar wrote:Razzor Death wrote:The Sardukar wrote:Chribba wrote:If only you were able to hit the spam bots too that sit in station 23.5/7 spamming... Not to mention the ratting bots running around Deklein and surrounding regions heh let me guess, you read that on Evenew24 the site most famous for publishing a full blown guide on botting. You guess wrong "One of our illustrious members (let's call him "Ibertizzle") keeps losing Tengus to Russians and French people. This is a sensitive - even a touchy - subject, so let me say that while he is, indeed, a keen ratter - a very keen ratter if we are honest - we have one rule in Goonswarm: we don't **** other goons. Oh and we don't play cop for CCP in their own game by reporting or petitioning goons, either: that's Darius Johnson's job." The Mittani, September 28, 2011 (source: Kugu)
Ah, you beat me to it.
To stand before a man at an inquisition, knowing that he will rejoice when we die, knowing that he will commit us to the stake and its horrors without a moment's hesitation or remorse if we do not satisfy him, is not an experience much less cruel because our inquisitor does not whip us or rack us or shout at us. |
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
242
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Posted - 2012.02.28 23:14:00 -
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Valentyn3 wrote:Well, they are certainly the saviors of the General Discusion forums. If it weren't for all this E-drama we might still be subjected to tards crying for Drake nerfs.
Apropos nothing else whatsoever, Darius III calls it bang-on right, when he say the much-bruit'ed-about (maybe/maybe not; We still don't know if it will happen, or what form it will take if it does) Drake nerf is an "abomination."
It totally is on so many levels, it's not even funny.
Now, back to our regularly scheduled programme.
I are kyute kitten! I are in ur mishun! Redoosin' teh lag by ninja'ing ur wrekz! (CCP: Make wrecks probable, and after 30min., tractorable.) |
Endeavour Starfleet
680
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Posted - 2012.02.28 23:56:00 -
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Razzor Death wrote:The Sardukar wrote:From twitter (EnderCapitalG is a member of Goonwaffe)
Andrew WigginGÇÅ@EnderCapitalG: So CCP went through and hit a lot of hbot users today. Don't run them 23.5/7 next time guys Andrew WigginGÇÅ@EnderCapitalG: Oh man. Just talked to several bot users and they said they were only hit with a 14 day ban You deliver every time
Can you detail whats going on here then and what Goons plan to do about this issue? |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
202
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Posted - 2012.02.28 23:57:00 -
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Was he talking to drone region people? We really should invade drone region to get minerals for our Tit- oh wait, they're being nerfed.
Johnny Marzetti wrote:How dare you attempt to tarnish the legendary honour of the space knights of Goonswarm federation? A reputation we go to great lengths to cultivate and preserve through our noble actions and righteous behavior.
Tsk. Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |
Lady Spink
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2012.02.29 00:11:00 -
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Btw it seems that the bat country gankers have been banned now.
I dont see any recent ganking kills anymore.
Thanks CCP
*Getting back in my mack now |
Valentyn3
Deep Core Mining Inc.
67
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Posted - 2012.02.29 00:16:00 -
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Lady Spink wrote:Btw it seems that the bat country gankers have been banned now.
I dont see any recent ganking kills anymore.
Thanks CCP
*Getting back in my mack now
Where/when was this made public? Even if it's true, they don't seem like the kind of people to let something like a banning keep them from playing. EVE why u no obey Newtonian Physics? Sure wish I could fit med artillery on my frigate to. http://i.imgur.com/PUZou.jpg I used to have an avatar background like you but then I took a 404 filenotfound in the knee. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
202
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Posted - 2012.02.29 00:28:00 -
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Did they reach 1000 bots already? That was fast.
op success! Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |
Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc
35
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Posted - 2012.02.29 01:30:00 -
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Goods: they'll troll you and be serious at the same time.
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Valentyn3 wrote: I'd say a great indicator is no reaction to being targeted when the guy next to you just got popped.
This only applies to minerals mining. Ice miners have like 12 to 18 minutes long cycles, you could pop half a belt before they alt tab back to check what's going on. Edit: actually, while a real pilot will not stay forever watching paint ehm roids dry, a bot can be programmed to always check for flagged corp / ship kinds in local / arriving at belt and warp out. So the bot escapes, the real player does not. Besides the "23/7" and the calling pilots with patterns (i.e. Joe01, Joe02 etc) I don't see any way to discern between a bot and an human. Only basic way is to pop them and see if the pod keeps going from belt to station and vice versa, but I have noticed some bots now detect the pop and don't warp the pod to belt. They stay just outside of the station.
In my experience, bots will completely ignore me until I fire upon them. I figure the best way to check if they're a bot is to try to message them and wait until they leave the belt and come back. If they're not botting, they will have seen your popup to chat with them. That requires patience, though, so it's all a matter of whether or not you deem saving the players to be a worthy enough cause. I support The Mittani for CSM 7 for the whole of EVE, including mining. |
Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
181
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Posted - 2012.02.29 02:05:00 -
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Valentyn3 wrote:Lady Spink wrote:Btw it seems that the bat country gankers have been banned now.
I dont see any recent ganking kills anymore.
Thanks CCP
*Getting back in my mack now Where/when was this made public? Even if it's true, they don't seem like the kind of people to let something like a banning keep them from playing.
It's true, they were all banned in the recent mass bot bannings. You guys were right, they were hypocrites and now you can safely mine ice anywhere.
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