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Zeba
Minmatar Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2008.02.28 02:49:00 -
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Originally by: IlIlIlI lIlIlIl
Originally by: Zeba Drop those t2 strips for t1 and you can fit a gistii-ish t2 tank with shield rigs that should shrug off most normal gankers.
But really you should invest in the gistiis anyway, just in case.
Oh I totally agree. This is simply advice for those poorer miners that haven't quite made it to the point they can afford top tier faction. Would you rather they keep dropping 10k isk tanking mods?
Originally by: MM0RPG EVE Review "if you aren't my friend you are my income."
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An Anarchyyt
Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.28 02:51:00 -
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The goon war marchine ia fiction. An elaboratly constructed ruse by our enemies. However, for our peaceful operations, we do have plenty of sources of Ice, and its materials.
Infact, the ruse of the war machine is so untrue, that many goons have already signed up for the Hello Kitty Beta.
Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
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AndrewRyan
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Posted - 2008.02.28 02:52:00 -
[273]
Originally by: MotherMoon
Originally by: AndrewRyan
Originally by: Kahega Amielden Methinks you're taking my post out of context/missing the point.
There is no misinterpretation or context you said they only target mining barges when in fact they have also targeted a newb in a Bantam.
fixed it for you
Again your either wonderfully misinformed or talking out of your backside about things you cannot even be bothered to do a little research into yourself, There are 2 newbie bantam kills on the first page alone.
Originally by: Malcanis
Seriously, have you ever actually pressed F1 with something other than an asteroid locked?
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.02.28 02:53:00 -
[274]
Edited by: MotherMoon on 28/02/2008 02:53:11
Originally by: AndrewRyan
Originally by: MotherMoon
Originally by: AndrewRyan
Originally by: Kahega Amielden Methinks you're taking my post out of context/missing the point.
There is no misinterpretation or context you said they only target mining barges when in fact they have also targeted a newb in a Bantam.
fixed it for you
Again your either wonderfully misinformed or talking out of your backside about things you cannot even be bothered to do a little research into yourself, There are 2 newbie bantam kills on the first page alone.
sigh
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AndrewRyan
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Posted - 2008.02.28 02:55:00 -
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Originally by: MotherMoon sigh
Does that mean your finally going to stop posting rubbish and untruths?
Originally by: Malcanis
Seriously, have you ever actually pressed F1 with something other than an asteroid locked?
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MenanceWhite
Amarr Fruit Fellatio
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Posted - 2008.02.28 02:56:00 -
[276]
Originally by: SPIONKOP post
They're not crap compared to lowsec, in face your plain old veld has a better isk/m3 ratio than many of the ores in lowsec.
I've already posted that
1. goons are'nt everywhere 2. they're looking for people in exhumers to suicide gank
You seem to assume that you have to be PVP when you completely ignored my statement of "how about simply moving to somewhere 2-3 regions away?" or even easier "keep an eye on the local instead of afkmining"? You're still making money and those 50 players that are trying to gank people has no chance of covering I don't know how many high sec systems there are in EVE.
Rewards in nullsec? Sure they're there, you also need protection, you need to find the stuff (because not every system has belts of mega/zyd/morph) and you need to somehow transport the stuff to a place where you actually can sell them. That means thru the bottlenecks of so called almost-always camped lowsec systems. That requires a good amount of effort too. Highes being Crokite(disregard mercoxit takes much more time to mine), which is worth almost 4.7x Veldspars value isk/m3 wise - well it sure should be worth that much because it takes alot more than 5 times the effort to get liquid isk by doing that compared afkmining veld in highsec. ---
Originally by: Torfi There's alot. That can be done. With.. corpses
Originally by: Oveur
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Zeba
Minmatar Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2008.02.28 02:57:00 -
[277]
You must have the most ironic sig yet andrew.
Originally by: MM0RPG EVE Review "if you aren't my friend you are my income."
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.02.28 02:58:00 -
[278]
Originally by: AndrewRyan
Originally by: MotherMoon sigh
Does that mean your finally going to stop posting rubbish and untruths?
I don't think I need to point it out , I think everyone but you gets it anyways.
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AndrewRyan
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Posted - 2008.02.28 02:59:00 -
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Originally by: MotherMoon
Originally by: AndrewRyan
Originally by: MotherMoon sigh
Does that mean your finally going to stop posting rubbish and untruths?
I don't think I need to point it out , I think everyone but you gets it anyways.
You dont "get" AndrewRyan.
Originally by: Malcanis
Seriously, have you ever actually pressed F1 with something other than an asteroid locked?
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IlIlIlI lIlIlIl
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.28 02:59:00 -
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Originally by: AndrewRyan There are 2 newbie bantam kills on the first page alone.
Time to hit F5, Andy. It's a busy day in Delve.
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MenanceWhite
Amarr Fruit Fellatio
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Posted - 2008.02.28 03:04:00 -
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Originally by: AndrewRyan Edited by: AndrewRyan on 28/02/2008 03:00:58
Originally by: MotherMoon
Originally by: AndrewRyan
Originally by: MotherMoon sigh
Does that mean your finally going to stop posting rubbish and untruths?
I don't think I need to point it out , I think everyone but you gets it anyways.
You dont "get" AndrewRyan.
The Number one is not a number two
The colour red is not the colour green
A Bantam is not a mining barge or Exhumer therefore the Goons are not just attacking barges and Exhumers.
You forgot that The Number 50 is not 5000 therefore it's a just a few people and not the whole goonfleet alliance ---
Originally by: Torfi There's alot. That can be done. With.. corpses
Originally by: Oveur
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Zeba
Minmatar Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2008.02.28 03:04:00 -
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Originally by: AndrewRyan You dont "get" AndrewRyan.
We "get" you.
Originally by: MM0RPG EVE Review "if you aren't my friend you are my income."
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AndrewRyan
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Posted - 2008.02.28 03:05:00 -
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Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: AndrewRyan You dont "get" AndrewRyan.
We "get" you.
Lmao
Originally by: Malcanis
Seriously, have you ever actually pressed F1 with something other than an asteroid locked?
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AndrewRyan
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Posted - 2008.02.28 03:07:00 -
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Originally by: MenanceWhite You forgot that The Number 50 is not 5000 therefore it's a just a few people and not the whole goonfleet alliance
So why does the news report detail a discussion with the Goonfleet diplomat? If the Diplomat knows about it and discussed it with the ISD it must be at least partially complicit with GS command.
Next please.
Originally by: Malcanis
Seriously, have you ever actually pressed F1 with something other than an asteroid locked?
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Aprudena Gist
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.28 03:08:00 -
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Originally by: AndrewRyan
Originally by: MenanceWhite You forgot that The Number 50 is not 5000 therefore it's a just a few people and not the whole goonfleet alliance
So why does the news report detail a discussion with the Goonfleet diplomat? If the Diplomat knows about it and discussed it with the ISD it must be at least partially complicit with GS command.
Next please.
The diplomat came out to have fun and so he did that's it dude.
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AndrewRyan
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Posted - 2008.02.28 03:13:00 -
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Originally by: Aprudena Gist The diplomat came out to have fun and so he did that's it dude.
Sorry I'm not trying to hate on the goons or something its all these random people talking crap on your behalf that are not goons that I'm arguing with.
I'm done with the thread.
Originally by: Malcanis
Seriously, have you ever actually pressed F1 with something other than an asteroid locked?
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MenanceWhite
Amarr Fruit Fellatio
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Posted - 2008.02.28 03:14:00 -
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Originally by: AndrewRyan
Originally by: MenanceWhite You forgot that The Number 50 is not 5000 therefore it's a just a few people and not the whole goonfleet alliance
So why does the news report detail a discussion with the Goonfleet diplomat? If the Diplomat knows about it and discussed it with the ISD it must be at least partially complicit with GS command.
Next please.
But hey, we're talking about things that are happening and generic RP bull. Or are you hinting that you were just RPing in all your other replies? ---
Originally by: Torfi There's alot. That can be done. With.. corpses
Originally by: Oveur
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.02.28 03:16:00 -
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Originally by: AndrewRyan
Originally by: MotherMoon privateers were not declaring war on corporations.
they were declaring war on EVERYONE. and the reason was because it protected them.
CCP NEVER wanted someone to make highsafe safe for them to kill whoever they wanted, I have dev quotes, they got ****ed at privateers for using them.
Suicide ganking is the same, it allows a person to be as safe as everyone else in high sec until they choose to engage exactly the same way as the privateers could be selective about their wardecs.
hey how did I miss this post!
rofl your not here to attack suicide ganking your just an angry old alt that used to run around high sec without a carte in the world.
hmmm where is the old killmail if I remember your allaince had so many noob kills it wasn't funny. you war decs every new corp that was trying to get into eve. you kill countless miners just because you could. and they could do nothing as you warp scarmbled them and you didn't get shot at by conchord. you just ran around killing everything that didn't want a war with you and at no cost.
cheap PvP.
I'm not an eve fanboy, there are lots of thing I don't like about eve, I jsut happen to be a privateer HATEBOY.
so I'm sorry but as a person who has alts in corps like eve uni, and other corps that like to help new players, you were a horrible nusence that everyone HATED.
you didn't jsut kill players in tech 2 mining ships or "batams"
you killed everything that moved and you didn't care who they were.
you had no mission. you had no cause no reason.
sure the goons reasons might not be the best but you got me when you decided to say that this is the same as the privateers.
Basically your saying that killing miners in mostly tech 2 ships (and 2 batams) is the same as killing EVERYONE mostly new players in high sec, especialy miners who can't fight back.
here lets me make a list for you.
GOON ATTACK -gankers comes in and takes out a hulk -ganker dies hulk dies (here is where I add I personally believe this should give out insurance)
PRIVATEER ATTACK -gankers come into system, kill the frist auto pilot person they see -gankers don't die -gankers continue to go and kill miners -gankers don't die to conchond -gankers run and kill everyone war decced coming in and out of a station, a place where a goon ganker could NEVER GANK, becuase the turrets go off right away and conchord is waiting at the station as well, not like in belts. -gankers then go off to have more fun usally in groups of 10, or then seperating to kill more people that don't feel like fighting or know how too. -gankers continue to dodge conchord
CCP made wardec for one reason only to allow for two warring factions to fight in high sec systems. However people came to understand that in this righ tit was flawed because you use it to dodge conchord if you had a lot of money Suicide ganking stops you form continuing untill you buy and fit a new ship.
but PLEASE don't say that this is anywhere nearthe same level as the Privateers.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.02.28 03:17:00 -
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Originally by: MenanceWhite
Originally by: AndrewRyan Edited by: AndrewRyan on 28/02/2008 03:00:58
Originally by: MotherMoon
Originally by: AndrewRyan
Originally by: MotherMoon sigh
Does that mean your finally going to stop posting rubbish and untruths?
I don't think I need to point it out , I think everyone but you gets it anyways.
You dont "get" AndrewRyan.
The Number one is not a number two
The colour red is not the colour green
A Bantam is not a mining barge or Exhumer therefore the Goons are not just attacking barges and Exhumers.
You forgot that The Number 50 is not 5000 therefore it's a just a few people and not the whole goonfleet alliance
also that 2 batams is not 100 hulks
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AndrewRyan
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Posted - 2008.02.28 03:24:00 -
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Edited by: AndrewRyan on 28/02/2008 03:25:04
Originally by: MotherMoon GOON ATTACK -Random player comes out of nowhere and ganks you before you have time to react
PRIVATEER ATTACK. -EVEmail warning that in 24 hours XXXXXX corp can freely attack you -Red star on player as he enters local informing you a war target is around
Fixed.
At least with a war dec you know you might be at greater risk than normal. And no I was not a Privateer btw.
Originally by: Malcanis
Seriously, have you ever actually pressed F1 with something other than an asteroid locked?
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.02.28 03:27:00 -
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Originally by: AndrewRyan Edited by: AndrewRyan on 28/02/2008 03:25:04
Originally by: MotherMoon GOON ATTACK -Goonswarm member comes into local with a red minus and ganks you before you have time to react
PRIVATEER ATTACK. -EVEmail warning that in 24 hours XXXXXX corp can freely attack you -Red star on player as he enters local informing you a war target is around
Fixed.
At least with a war dec you know you might be at greater risk than normal. And no I was not a Privateer btw.
fixed for you again.
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IlIlIlI lIlIlIl
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.28 03:28:00 -
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Originally by: AndrewRyan So why does the news report detail a discussion with the Goonfleet diplomat?
You probably believe everything you see on FOX news, too.
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AndrewRyan
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Posted - 2008.02.28 03:32:00 -
[293]
Originally by: MotherMoon
Originally by: AndrewRyan Edited by: AndrewRyan on 28/02/2008 03:25:04
Originally by: MotherMoon GOON ATTACK -Goonswarm member comes into local with a red minus and ganks you before you have time to react
PRIVATEER ATTACK. -EVEmail warning that in 24 hours XXXXXX corp can freely attack you -Red star on player as he enters local informing you a war target is around
Fixed.
At least with a war dec you know you might be at greater risk than normal. And no I was not a Privateer btw.
fixed for you again.
No its not fixed because before the News report a lot of people would not have known about it and would not have changed their standings accordingly, with a wardec you are not reliant on 3rd party sources of information to be aware of the increased risk.
Anyway I'm seriously done with this thread cuz it looks like I'm cussing the goons for what they are doing when I'm not I'm arguing with people who have faff all to do with it who are just posting rubbish.
Originally by: Malcanis
Seriously, have you ever actually pressed F1 with something other than an asteroid locked?
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Postlatta Mouseanon
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.02.28 03:32:00 -
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Hmm....
I have mixed feelings about this whole empire Hulk-ganking exercise.
For my part I don't care. I'm a 0.0 veteran who has returned to empire for a while (yes I'm posting on an alt). The news that the goons are doing this just made me set my corp standings with them to -10. If they come into local and we do not have a military presence- we'll dock up. No skin off our back. If they catch a few of our Hulks- we'll replace them many times over before we go broke.
It's not a winning equation to self emolate by destroying your own ship. Even if the ISK difference is great, it is truly "playing with the game" rather than "playing the game". This is of course my opinion.
From the standpoint of a Mining Director, which I was for a time with a large alliance, this action by the goons presents a problem.
First off, I happen to know first hand that the goons have summarily popped alt industrial corps affiliated with their own allies. And there are angry people about.
Second, It's one thing to pee in your enemy's cornflakes, but it;s really stupid to pee in your own.
So in essence- this will not end well.
As advice to empire miners:
If you are flying a hulk- tank it as if you were going into 0.0 space. If you do not know how to do this- find out. However, be forewarned that this will probably not save you. It might... but probably not.
As far as CCP are concerned:
Considering the long history of goons playing "with the game" in various ways, were I CCP I'd consider dealing with this harshly.
But I'm not... so I just play until playing isn't fun and go on my way.
But this idea of PVP at ridiculous levels like this seems... well less than fun anyway.
Ganking empire miners sorta seems a bit like taking a brand new, perfectly good, high school graduate, and lobotomizing him as part of college entrance exams.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.02.28 03:33:00 -
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Edited by: MotherMoon on 28/02/2008 03:32:55
Originally by: AndrewRyan
Originally by: MotherMoon
Originally by: AndrewRyan Edited by: AndrewRyan on 28/02/2008 03:25:04
Originally by: MotherMoon GOON ATTACK -Goonswarm member comes into local with a red minus and ganks you before you have time to react
PRIVATEER ATTACK. -EVEmail warning that in 24 hours XXXXXX corp can freely attack you -Red star on player as he enters local informing you a war target is around
Fixed.
At least with a war dec you know you might be at greater risk than normal. And no I was not a Privateer btw.
fixed for you again.
No its not fixed because before the News report a lot of people would not have known about it and would not have changed their standings accordingly, with a wardec you are not reliant on 3rd party sources of information to be aware of the increased risk.
Anyway I'm seriously done with this thread cuz it looks like I'm cussing the goons for what they are doing when I'm not I'm arguing with people who have faff all to do with it who are just posting rubbish.
I'm sorry who doesn't have goons set to red unless they are allied? your argument was that it was random players.
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Zeba
Minmatar Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2008.02.28 03:37:00 -
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Geez ladies..
Originally by: MM0RPG EVE Review "if you aren't my friend you are my income."
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IlIlIlI lIlIlIl
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.28 03:40:00 -
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Originally by: Postlatta Mouseanon I'm a 0.0 veteran who had to run back to empire with my tail between my legs
Pretty sure I fixed that for you. Let me know if I'm wrong.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.02.28 03:41:00 -
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Originally by: Zeba Geez ladies..
haha :P
ok ok I'll stop :P
... like hell! to the very end!
haha but really no I'll stop :P
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Postlatta Mouseanon
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.02.28 03:46:00 -
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Originally by: IlIlIlI lIlIlIl
Originally by: Postlatta Mouseanon I'm a 0.0 veteran who had to run back to empire with my tail between my legs
Pretty sure I fixed that for you. Let me know if I'm wrong.
You're wrong.
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Mr QUE
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.02.28 03:46:00 -
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You Go Goons :) Keep ganking them Ice miners, I have already seen the Results :) at this rate Ice prices will tripple soon as fewer will be out there mining :)
system I am in went from 60-90 mining ice to maybe 10 :)
Keep up the good work I see ISK coming in :)
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