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Dionisius
Gallente Critical Analysis R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.02.29 15:04:00 -
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Originally by: AltBier Edited by: AltBier on 29/02/2008 14:57:19
Originally by: Dionisius
Originally by: AltBier What IS your problem with the video?
(BTW, isn't pyramid quoting a bannable offence now?)
Hi goon.
LOL. Wrong. Try again.
Please answer the question, it was a genuine query. What are you concerned might happen?
Why don't you people think for a second... _____________________________________ I pay beer for new sig.
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Quelque Chose
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.02.29 15:04:00 -
[512]
Originally by: dropouthighschoolteacher
The NSA/DHS have a limited amount of money and time and as such they value their time and money which is why they would ignore tips about gamers with poor taste after doing minimal research.
I'm sorry to disappoint you but national security agencies aren't the international internet decency police.
The NSA/DHS are great big bureaucracies and as such most certainly do NOT value time and money, at least not in any kind of way that makes sense to real people. You can feel free to think what you like about that but I've seen it in action.
But don't take my word for it. Talk to 4chan about it or maybe ask that Canadian guy who famously ended up in Syria a couple of years ago.
I'm certainly not saying something will definitely come of it, but I think you're underestimating government idiocy here by a pretty wide margin.
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AltBier
Minmatar Red. Red Republic
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Posted - 2008.02.29 15:07:00 -
[513]
Originally by: Dionisius
Originally by: AltBier Please answer the question, it was a genuine query. What are you concerned might happen?
Why don't you people think for a second...
Are you afraid that the IRA will attack Iceland?
There are a LOT of possible concerns I could think of, but I have no idea what YOU are concerned about.
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Hannobaal
Gallente Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.29 15:12:00 -
[514]
Come on people, get yourself a sense of humor and stop being idiots.
(The video is hillarious.)
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brainball
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.29 15:21:00 -
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Its interesting to see people are actually thinking any sort of governement organisation will be interested in this. You guys are aware that the word "jihad" is an arabic word that means to struggle right? Hell if this is what sparks governement interest they should take a look at the use of the word "crusade" on this forum. Which essentially means the same thing.
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AltBier
Minmatar Red. Red Republic
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Posted - 2008.02.29 15:28:00 -
[516]
Indeed.
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Chirruper
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Posted - 2008.02.29 15:38:00 -
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Originally by: brainball Its interesting to see people are actually thinking any sort of governement organisation will be interested in this. You guys are aware that the word "jihad" is an arabic word that means to struggle right? Hell if this is what sparks governement interest they should take a look at the use of the word "crusade" on this forum. Which essentially means the same thing.
Yep. Overreacting to everything is the new cool. Watch MTV and tell me I'm wrong.
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Alekseyev Karrde
Noir.
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Posted - 2008.02.29 15:38:00 -
[518]
Dont get mad, get mercs
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Primnproper
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Posted - 2008.02.29 15:52:00 -
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Edited by: Primnproper on 29/02/2008 15:52:58 Its not the word, its the way that they are deliberately imitating suicide bombers thats the problem, that and referancing a particular god (who has never been mentioned in any game literature) during your holy war against miners.
The goons are well aware it is offensive and that is certainly one of the reasons why they find it funny.
Also it may well be a violation of the ban policy...
Quote: 3. HARASSMENT
An immediate permanent ban of an account may result if a player:
* a. Organizes or participates in a corporation or group that is based on or advocates any anti-ethnic, anti-***, anti-religious, racist, sexist or other hate-mongering philosophies.
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Lil'Red Ridin'Hood
Snake Assault
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Posted - 2008.02.29 15:56:00 -
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Originally by: brainball You guys are aware that the word "jihad" is an arabic word that means to struggle right?
You are aware that "sieg heil" only means hail victory? You'd still associate it with something else than the words alone.
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Jason Travers
Space 1999
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Posted - 2008.02.29 16:06:00 -
[521]
Well CCP will not do anything to stop the highsec ganking by GS or any others. So using their own tactics, I guess IÆll create an alt with only original skills and target only goons. That way IÆm out nothing. I also encourage everyone else in highsec to do the same. Band together or fleet up or run single. The target will be Goonswarm. No matter who they are or what ship they fly it they are Goonswarm they are open target.
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Yashim Vask
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Posted - 2008.02.29 16:07:00 -
[522]
Originally by: Postlatta Mouseanon
Originally by: IlIlIlI lIlIlIl
Originally by: Postlatta Mouseanon I'm a 0.0 veteran who had to run back to empire with my tail between my legs
Pretty sure I fixed that for you. Let me know if I'm wrong.
You're wrong.
postlatta mouseanon main was in NYIT Gangstas of Smash allianse for 3 months.this does not make you 0.0 veteran.
let ME know if im wrong.
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Dionisius
Gallente Critical Analysis R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.02.29 16:13:00 -
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Originally by: AltBier
Originally by: Dionisius
Originally by: AltBier Please answer the question, it was a genuine query. What are you concerned might happen?
Why don't you people think for a second...
Are you afraid that the IRA will attack Iceland?
There are a LOT of possible concerns I could think of, but I have no idea what YOU are concerned about.
For starters i play EvE, i don't want to be associated with goon stupidy, i don't want to be associated with the content of that video whatever the amount of people find it fun.
CCP should be concerned goons are , i suppose , part of the comunity , for some cartoon, something way more innocent that this , threats were made a whole world of idiocy came down crying that it was disrespect this and that, threats etc etc and so forth.
While i found th cartoon innocent i also understood the "other part" and for whatever it is worth i respected their wish on having the toons removed from publication.
Now Youtube is a website with worldwide exposure, what you and me might find that clip funny ( actually i don't its stupid ), going in a simple logic, goons are bunch of players of EVE, video mixes Terrorists and goons playing EVE and smacking players in the game, the creator of Eve is... CCP.
Got it so far? Nice.
While to you and me this stuff is like transparent and we may not care, its CCP's image on the line, CCP is associated with White Wolf, an American Company right? I very much doubt if this video arrived to some WW personell that they would like this.
I very much doubt CCP, in their right mind, approves this kind of stuff.
And basicly thats it in a very very very short point of view.
I find it interesting that supposed full grown people have this kind of behaviour behind the "security" of their screens.
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AltBier
Minmatar Red. Red Republic
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Posted - 2008.02.29 16:15:00 -
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Originally by: Primnproper Its not the word, its the way that they are deliberately imitating suicide bombers thats the problem
A huge number of players are emulating piracy. Is that not equally offensive to people in parts of the world where piracy is a real problem?
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AltBier
Minmatar Red. Red Republic
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Posted - 2008.02.29 16:24:00 -
[525]
Edited by: AltBier on 29/02/2008 16:29:57
Originally by: Dionisius CCP should be concerned goons are , i suppose , part of the comunity , for some cartoon, something way more innocent that this , threats were made a whole world of idiocy came down crying that it was disrespect this and that, threats etc etc and so forth.
Right, thank you for answering.
If you are saying that such usage of phrases associated with islam are offensive to followers of islam then I would agree you have a valid point. As I've already said twice, though, is that there are many things that many people may find offensive in EVE (including piracy and cruise missiles).
If you are saying we should fear those who would use real life violence and live our lives according to their threats (whoever that might be), I have to disagree with you.
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TeufelsBeitrag
Ore Mongers R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.02.29 16:28:00 -
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Originally by: Dionisius For starters i play EvE, i don't want to be associated with goon stupidy, i don't want to be associated with the content of that video whatever the amount of people find it fun.
CCP should be concerned goons are , i suppose , part of the comunity , for some cartoon, something way more innocent that this , threats were made a whole world of idiocy came down crying that it was disrespect this and that, threats etc etc and so forth.
While i found th cartoon innocent i also understood the "other part" and for whatever it is worth i respected their wish on having the toons removed from publication.
Now Youtube is a website with worldwide exposure, what you and me might find that clip funny ( actually i don't its stupid ), going in a simple logic, goons are bunch of players of EVE, video mixes Terrorists and goons playing EVE and smacking players in the game, the creator of Eve is... CCP.
Got it so far? Nice.
While to you and me this stuff is like transparent and we may not care, its CCP's image on the line, CCP is associated with White Wolf, an American Company right? I very much doubt if this video arrived to some WW personell that they would like this.
I very much doubt CCP, in their right mind, approves this kind of stuff.
And basicly thats it in a very very very short point of view.
I find it interesting that supposed full grown people have this kind of behaviour behind the "security" of their screens.
You still have not said, what the consequences are.
(You are a terrible poster.)
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Primnproper
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Posted - 2008.02.29 16:36:00 -
[527]
Originally by: AltBier
Originally by: Primnproper Its not the word, its the way that they are deliberately imitating suicide bombers thats the problem
A huge number of players are emulating piracy. Is that not equally offensive to people in parts of the world where piracy is a real problem?
Ahh but when emulating piracy a large majority of players do not make referances to the current real world practice of piracy and if they did it would be in bad taste.
In the same way when suicide ganking no one used to mention the current real world aspect of suicide bombing and of course the two are in fact very different as both the suicider and the victim are in fact immortal demi gods not just normal human beings and again to do so is in bad taste. |
Primnproper
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Posted - 2008.02.29 16:58:00 -
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Originally by: AltBier You have a point, I guess.
I just find it a bit too predictable (and quite tiresome) when some people get up in arms about someone shouting 'god is great' in arabic.
As do I, but I do draw the line at shouting 'god is great' in arabic and then suiciding for the reasons I have already explained above.
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AltBier
Minmatar Red. Red Republic
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Posted - 2008.02.29 17:04:00 -
[529]
It's not something I would do myself.
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Anaalys Fluuterby
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.02.29 17:08:00 -
[530]
If they want to be viewed as terrorists, let them. With all the positives and negatives.
1) Set them as -10 to every faction whose space they do this in and factions that are allied with those factions. 2) Deny docking rights to stations belonging to those factions. 3) Deny market useage in those factions' space. 4) Give the factions a chance to monitor trade from other characters that trade to them and put them at -10. 5) Faction navies pod if they blow them up. 6) No Concord response if a "private citizen" assists one of the faction navies in defending that faction's space
There, risk and reward. You wish to be a terrorist and be known as one, be treated like one.
Originally by: Audri Fisher On the other, the emo tears being cryed in this thread tell me that just because you shoot somebody for a living, does not mean you aren't a carebear
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Rashmika Clavain
Gallente Red. Red Republic
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Posted - 2008.02.29 17:10:00 -
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It's not something I would do either, however I wouldn't turn around with such self righteous fury and demand CCP do something to stop them.
It's a game, get over yourselves!
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Dethra
Minmatar Dead Hooker Industries G Thanks Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.29 17:13:00 -
[532]
If you think goons feel its a game, ask them about "4/29" lol. _______________________________ There is no signature. |
Shayleigh Snowflower
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.02.29 17:19:00 -
[533]
Edited by: Shayleigh Snowflower on 29/02/2008 17:19:42
Originally by: Anaalys Fluuterby If they want to be viewed as terrorists, let them. With all the positives and negatives.
1) Set them as -10 to every faction whose space they do this in and factions that are allied with those factions. 2) Deny docking rights to stations belonging to those factions. 3) Deny market useage in those factions' space. 4) Give the factions a chance to monitor trade from other characters that trade to them and put them at -10. 5) Faction navies pod if they blow them up. 6) No Concord response if a "private citizen" assists one of the faction navies in defending that faction's space
There, risk and reward. You wish to be a terrorist and be known as one, be treated like one.
And you think it is in caldari navy space's interest what independant pod pilots do to eachother in space, ehh? Moron:
--- wall of text from : http://www.eve-online.com/races/Caldari.asp -- Caldari
A state built on corporate capitalism, the Caldari State is run by a few mega-corporations which divide the state between them, controlling and ruling every aspect of society. Each corporation is made up of thousands of smaller companies, ranging from industrial companies to law firms. All land and real estate is owned by a company which leases it to the citizens, and government and policing are also handled by independent companies.
Although this gives the corporations dictatorial powers, they are just as bound by Caldari customs and laws as the individual, and the fierce, continual competition between the corporations ensures a healthy, consumer-based social environment, which benefits everyone.
While the Caldari State may not be nearly as big as that of the Gallenteans, let alone the Amarrians, they are still universally feared and admired. Their economy is strong, and their military might parallel to that of the larger empires. Coupled to the fact that they are more unscrupulous than the Gallenteans and more combative than the Amarrians, this makes them in many ways the most meddlesome of all the empires. As most Caldari trade is conducted by individual companies rather than the State itself, this makes it difficult for the other empires to deal with them at a political level. If a company is found guilty of unethical business dealings, it simply disappears into its parent corporation, and before long another one appears to take its place. But if a Caldari company is threatened, the whole corporation and often the whole State backs it up with full force.
Caldari society is steeped in military tradition. As a people, its members had to fight a long and bloody war to gain their independence, and even had to surrender their home planet to their hated enemies, the Gallenteans. It was at this time that the corporations established themselves as the driving force behind creating and maintaining the new Caldari State. Even if the Caldari have not engaged in war for many decades, they still strive to be at the cutting edge of military technology and their vessels, weapons and fighting methods are inferior to none but the enigmatic Jovians.
To curb their aggressive tendencies, the Caldari actively pursue and sponsor a range of sporting activities. Many of these are bloody, gladiatorial-like competitions, while others are more like races. But whatever the sport, the Caldari love betting on the outcome, making gambling a massive industry in the State.
The Caldari State offers its citizens the best and the worst in living conditions. As long as you keep in line, do your job, uphold the laws and so forth, life can be fairly pleasant and productive. But for those who are not cut out for this strict, disciplined regime life quickly becomes intolerable. They lose their respect, family, status, everything, and the only options left to them are suicide or exile. Although not xenophobic as such, the Caldari are very protective of their way of life and tolerate only those foreigners that stick to the r
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Rashmika Clavain
Gallente Red. Red Republic
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Posted - 2008.02.29 17:23:00 -
[534]
Quote: Dont get mad, get macros
Fixed!
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Anaalys Fluuterby
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.02.29 17:30:00 -
[535]
Edited by: Anaalys Fluuterby on 29/02/2008 17:30:14
Quote:
The Caldari State offers its citizens the best and the worst in living conditions. As long as you keep in line, do your job, uphold the laws and so forth, life can be fairly pleasant and productive. But for those who are not cut out for this strict, disciplined regime life quickly becomes intolerable. They lose their respect, family, status, everything, and the only options left to them are suicide or exile. Although not xenophobic as such, the Caldari are very protective of their way of life and tolerate only those foreigners that stick to the rules
Somehow I doubt that the Caldari state views proclaiming yourself a terrorist, constantly attacking Citizens, interfering with the profits of Caldari companies and hurting the bottom line "sticking to the rules". Enemies of the State, even self-proclaimed ones, shouldn't be tolerated by the state.
Incidently, no comment on how the Gals would view this? Somehow I doubt constant suiciding and terrorism represents other players' personal freedoms.....
By the way, its obvious you haven't done many missions lately. A decent quantity of them send you against "terrorists"......
Moron
Originally by: Audri Fisher On the other, the emo tears being cryed in this thread tell me that just because you shoot somebody for a living, does not mean you aren't a carebear
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Dionisius
Gallente Critical Analysis R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.02.29 17:43:00 -
[536]
Originally by: TeufelsBeitrag
Originally by: Dionisius For starters i play EvE, i don't want to be associated with goon stupidy, i don't want to be associated with the content of that video whatever the amount of people find it fun.
CCP should be concerned goons are , i suppose , part of the comunity , for some cartoon, something way more innocent that this , threats were made a whole world of idiocy came down crying that it was disrespect this and that, threats etc etc and so forth.
While i found th cartoon innocent i also understood the "other part" and for whatever it is worth i respected their wish on having the toons removed from publication.
Now Youtube is a website with worldwide exposure, what you and me might find that clip funny ( actually i don't its stupid ), going in a simple logic, goons are bunch of players of EVE, video mixes Terrorists and goons playing EVE and smacking players in the game, the creator of Eve is... CCP.
Got it so far? Nice.
While to you and me this stuff is like transparent and we may not care, its CCP's image on the line, CCP is associated with White Wolf, an American Company right? I very much doubt if this video arrived to some WW personell that they would like this.
I very much doubt CCP, in their right mind, approves this kind of stuff.
And basicly thats it in a very very very short point of view.
I find it interesting that supposed full grown people have this kind of behaviour behind the "security" of their screens.
You still have not said, what the consequences are.
(You are a terrible poster.)
The consequences are me treating you like a less than 5 yo child and thinking that you are a bit silly just that.
( I may be a terrible poster, goons use that expression often, but you are still worst than me. ) _____________________________________ I pay beer for new sig.
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Chirruper
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Posted - 2008.02.29 17:49:00 -
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Even if the GoonSwarm references offend you, it goes completely against the spirit of EvE to beg CCP to do something. The tools are quite clearly there for people to retaliate. Several alliances could band together, form even larger numbers, and cripple their operations. . . but that would be assuming more people care than a handful of knee-jerk forum whiners.
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TeufelsBeitrag
Ore Mongers R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.02.29 17:50:00 -
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Edited by: TeufelsBeitrag on 29/02/2008 17:51:01 @Dionisius That was mean. So you warn me about the consequences, but dont say what they are, not counting "people wont like it"?
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Traidor Disloyal
Minmatar V i r u s
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Posted - 2008.02.29 17:53:00 -
[539]
Don't worry. When this starts to cut into the profits of CCP they will kill it faster then you can say "Privateers".
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Dionisius
Gallente Critical Analysis R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.02.29 17:58:00 -
[540]
Originally by: TeufelsBeitrag Edited by: TeufelsBeitrag on 29/02/2008 17:51:01 @Dionisius That was mean. So you warn me about the consequences, but dont say what they are, not counting "people wont like it"?
I'm not going to be nice if you joke about something that is serious, the game isn't serious business, bringin RL terrorist content into it, thats a bit more serious.
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