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March rabbit
Ganse Shadow of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2012.02.15 16:34:00 -
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the first (and the last) question is: how long can this hulkageddon last?
Yes. Goons kill miners for like some months already. But "unlimited duration"??? Do you think suicide ganking can be fun enough to do it for real long time? Maybe old goons will leave and new ones join party.... But i'm pretty sure after some time all this "geddon" will loose its size.
Other option can be: suicide ganking bot |
Skorpynekomimi
E.A.D Alliance Omega Vector
114
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Posted - 2012.02.15 16:36:00 -
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- I am not a bot. Just thought I'd get it out of the way first. Disregard the goggles; they do nothing anyway.
- Meh, I don't mine in caldari space anyway.
- Highsec isn't as safe as people make it out to be anyway. Nothing stops you being ganked, it just stops you being ganked SO EASILY.
- I'm seriously reconsidering whether I want to keep flying that damn hulk. It's expensive and spends a lot of time docked because I don't have 250mil kicking around spare to replace it. Or 75mil to insure it. Seriously tempted to just switch to covetors instead.
- Suicide ganking, you say? Okay, I'll bite. I'll pick up some blueprints over the weekend, and see if I can't cut a profit off this. - - Suicide ganking OF EXHUMERS, you say? Would you mind abandoning the wrecks before creating more of them? T2 salvage, the ore and ice from their holds, your concord-ed gankfits... - - - Duck it. Even if you DO turn me into a cloud of vapour for ninja salvaging your wrecks, it'll probably be worth it for the stuff I do manage to yank. Have fun distinguishing my gscs of loot from their ore/ice cans.
- I may get in on some of this ganking myself. Too many miners around, too much competition. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
4930
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Posted - 2012.02.15 16:38:00 -
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Zimmy Zeta wrote:Most dedicated miners I have met are multiboxing, mostly afk or at least semi-afk.I don't think that it is easy to watch many different barges all the time. So mining while not afk and being aware of your surrounding would most likely mean that a miner cannot field 5-6 characters, but only 2 or 3, maybe even only one. That's their problem and they have no-one else to blame when they get ganked.
Quote:So they would lose money. Money is the only thing that drives a miner, easy afk money. So if they couldn't get this money anymore- they would not change their playstyle, they would just use bots instead. Or they could admit that they are worthless people who should just sod off and have a few freak boating accidents instead. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
Zimmy Zeta
Battle Force Industries Tactical Invader Syndicate
831
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Posted - 2012.02.15 16:40:00 -
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Tippia wrote:.......Or they could admit that they are worthless people who should just sod off and have a few freak boating accidents instead.
I like you.
-.- |
Jafit
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
19
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Posted - 2012.02.15 16:48:00 -
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Cipher Jones wrote:Jafit wrote:It's interesting how Moon mining and PI are other forms of resource gathering in this game introduced since belt mining, and they're passive in nature rather than requiring players to sit in a ship and shoot at something. I like to think that this is because CCP realised how bad mining gameplay is, but that probably isn't the reason.
As for bots, any activity that is boring and monotonous, and which requires no thought or creativity can and will be botted. This goes for mining, ratting, missions, and Jita 0.01 isk undercutting market PvP. Bots are a symptom of a bad game with boring gameplay. People complain about CCP not banning bots, instead you should complain about the gameplay, and make gameplay that requires human thought and creativity to play, then the bots will go away on their own.
Out of interest does anyone know of any bots that can do probing? If not then that's a step in the right direction. I was going to like you post till I finished reading it. Every single online game has bots, bar none.
So, are you saying that because other MMOs have bots that we should just accept our boring repetitive gameplay and the bots that come with it? If so your opinion is invalid. |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
573
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Posted - 2012.02.15 16:53:00 -
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Jafit wrote:Cipher Jones wrote:Jafit wrote:It's interesting how Moon mining and PI are other forms of resource gathering in this game introduced since belt mining, and they're passive in nature rather than requiring players to sit in a ship and shoot at something. I like to think that this is because CCP realised how bad mining gameplay is, but that probably isn't the reason.
As for bots, any activity that is boring and monotonous, and which requires no thought or creativity can and will be botted. This goes for mining, ratting, missions, and Jita 0.01 isk undercutting market PvP. Bots are a symptom of a bad game with boring gameplay. People complain about CCP not banning bots, instead you should complain about the gameplay, and make gameplay that requires human thought and creativity to play, then the bots will go away on their own.
Out of interest does anyone know of any bots that can do probing? If not then that's a step in the right direction. I was going to like you post till I finished reading it. Every single online game has bots, bar none. So, are you saying that because other MMOs have bots that we should just accept our boring repetitive gameplay and the bots that come with it? If so your opinion is invalid. I think he is saying your premise is false as non repetitive games have bots.
And yes, probing can be botted. Or so the bot sellers say. I don't plan on trying any to find out. |
Valei Khurelem
326
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Posted - 2012.02.15 16:59:00 -
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Quote:t's interesting how Moon mining and PI are other forms of resource gathering in this game introduced since belt mining, and they're passive in nature rather than requiring players to sit in a ship and shoot at something.
For crying out loud, I've done PI before and I got more bored of it than mining, it isn't passive, in fact I would say it's actually MORE tedious and boring than mining is, in mining once you stop, you've said to the game, no I'm going to log now, but with PI it's awful. It wouldn't be so bad if you could automate every process but with PI you have to set up your extractor and transfer each material you're manufacturing to your basic factory and that takes 2 - 3 minutes each time. Worse still you can't increase the quantity you transfer because the factory only takes 10 units each time so you have to log in each time while you wait for the factory to repeat the whole process again. You can't queue the process or automate it.
CCP seem dead set on keeping this game an unnecessary and tedious click fest, how long did it take for them to put a jump button in the overview panel that let actual players warp to 0 and immediately jump through a stargate? Several Years? I'm not sticking around again this time to wait and see them do something new or try to fix the problems in this game.
I've subscribed to this game every now and then I can tell you and the progress I have seen from CCP is like watching european countries fix their economies, no one wants to do anything and they're desperately trying to shift the blame from person to person because they want everything to stay the same, when really the only people they can blame is themselves for ******* everything up.
I say put your money with the small independent developers folks, they'll actually try and keep you as customers because they need the business.
"don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP." -á - CCP Ytterbium |
Skorpynekomimi
E.A.D Alliance Omega Vector
114
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Posted - 2012.02.15 17:09:00 -
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Also. It won't last. The ice interdiction didn't last. People get bored and want to go back to shooting things that actually fight back. No funding is unlimited. Sov bills have to be paid.
So, it's not 'will it last'. It's 'how long will it last', and 'will the motivation or the ISK or the targets run out first'. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
728
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Posted - 2012.02.15 17:15:00 -
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Is it that time already?
Guess I better blow the dust of my miner and pull him out of mothballs for another fun filled ganker cryfest.
As for the little bee earlier jackin off over denial of a Titan's worth of minerals denied...
So what? That's prolly less than 1% of the minerals mined in a day in EVE. Christ you people can be dumb. Nothing will put a dent in the mineral market.
Sure, gank some newbs. Have your little circle jerk about it in C&P. But don't pretend it's going to make one bit of difference in the long run.
Mr Epeen Me too!-á I ate one sour, too! |
Razzor Death
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
51
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Posted - 2012.02.15 17:57:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Is it that time already? Guess I better blow the dust of my miner and pull him out of mothballs for another fun filled ganker cryfest. As for the little bee earlier jackin off over denial of a Titan's worth of minerals denied... So what? That's prolly less than 1% of the minerals mined in a day in EVE. Christ you people can be dumb. Nothing will put a dent in the mineral market. Sure, gank some newbs. Have your little circle jerk about it in C&P. But don't pretend it's going to make one bit of difference in the long run. Mr Epeen
hahaha look at this nerd |
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
2952
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Posted - 2012.02.15 18:04:00 -
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Zimmy Zeta wrote:Cajunspitfire wrote:Death to all the strippers, er bots. It is obvious that there will be more botters due to the requirements from fuel cells. The prices have risen a lot over the past month and that wasn't due to Goonageddon. It was heading that way long before this. I sit in my ice belt and watch not two but three ice bots mining for 23/7 without recourse. How is it they get away with it. Good on the Goons and that sexy voice Mittens. Maybe he can bring balance to the force.
Vote Mittani for CSM . He has cookies Although I welcome any kind of carnage because it makes me as a trader profit - have you ever considered that most of the miners mine afk and are thus sitting ducks for gankers while bots are quite clever nowadays and know when to GTFO? I fear your campaign will kill off all the human miners and will let only the bots survive. Not that I would care... just a thought...
You're asking for sympathy for people who play EVE so badly that they can't outfly a bot script? Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Xolve
The Suicide Kings Test Alliance Please Ignore
890
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Posted - 2012.02.15 18:13:00 -
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Highsec Publords still sperging about the 'Ice Interdiction' that ended in December... whatever is left, is just for funsies.
Some Pubbie wrote:People get bored and want to go back to shooting things that actually fight back
Actually it was used to make a few billion ISK, because we could. Inappropriate signature removed. Navigator. |
Razzor Death
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
51
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Posted - 2012.02.15 18:20:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Is it that time already? Guess I better blow the dust of my miner and pull him out of mothballs for another fun filled ganker cryfest. As for the little bee earlier jackin off over denial of a Titan's worth of minerals denied... So what? That's prolly less than 1% of the minerals mined in a day in EVE. Christ you people can be dumb. Nothing will put a dent in the mineral market. Sure, gank some newbs. Have your little circle jerk about it in C&P. But don't pretend it's going to make one bit of difference in the long run. Mr Epeen
no really just look at it hahahaha |
Zimmy Zeta
Battle Force Industries Tactical Invader Syndicate
831
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Posted - 2012.02.15 18:33:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:
You're asking for sympathy for people who play EVE so badly that they can't outfly a bot script?
No, I am not asking for sympathy for them. I have none myself. I just wanted to remind people that their masterplan of "reducing bot population" might terribly backfire. But I guess those people have put me on ignore already, so don't mind me....just babbling incoherently..... ....
-.- |
Te'bral
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.02.15 18:39:00 -
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Khan Farshatok wrote:first as the initiator and main "organizer" of what is going on, let me be blunt. this is in no way shape or form any sort of hulkaggedon. this is quite simply me being bored and my corp joining in for the lol's. as for us not being in it for the tears, you really dont know goons :D if for some reason though you heppened to be popped, podded and laughed at during our little run of tear gathering, then please feel free to fill out our "im not a bot" reimbursement form. because we really only wanted to kill da bots. :D love, horses and ponies khan
Please excuse my ignorance, but what are people considering "bots"?
i see on your form, it asks to explain why you are not a bot....
I am sure there are more people wondering the same thing. |
Xolve
The Suicide Kings Test Alliance Please Ignore
890
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Posted - 2012.02.15 18:44:00 -
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Te'bral wrote:
Please excuse my ignorance, but what are people considering "bots"?
i see on your form, it asks to explain why you are not a bot....
I am sure there are more people wondering the same thing.
GET OUT GREY FACE!
Inappropriate signature removed. Navigator. |
Borun Tal
Cubicle Warriors from 'merica
44
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Posted - 2012.02.15 18:48:00 -
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The whole idea of HG has been effectively crapped on by you-know-who. It's nothing more than just another corp ganking miners now.
Good job. |
baltec1
616
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Posted - 2012.02.15 18:51:00 -
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Te'bral wrote:Khan Farshatok wrote:first as the initiator and main "organizer" of what is going on, let me be blunt. this is in no way shape or form any sort of hulkaggedon. this is quite simply me being bored and my corp joining in for the lol's. as for us not being in it for the tears, you really dont know goons :D if for some reason though you heppened to be popped, podded and laughed at during our little run of tear gathering, then please feel free to fill out our "im not a bot" reimbursement form. because we really only wanted to kill da bots. :D love, horses and ponies khan Please excuse my ignorance, but what are people considering "bots"? i see on your form, it asks to explain why you are not a bot.... I am sure there are more people wondering the same thing.
You tell us. |
Something Random
The Barrow Boys
126
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Posted - 2012.02.15 18:54:00 -
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To the OP.
Its awesome. Its like being at war but not being war decced. In fact its like 0.0 except the aggressors lose the ship by proxy.
Now if you mine you gotta watch local, you gotta know local, you gotta watch for local spikes and the denizens that made it spike.
You gotta be ready to go.
You gotts be ready.
This, every sentence of it, IS GOOD
"caught on fire a little bit, just a little." "Delinquents, check, weirdos, check, hippies, check, pillheads, check, freaks, check, potheads, check .....gangsn++ all here!" |
FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks Petition Blizzard
980
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Posted - 2012.02.15 19:00:00 -
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I doubt this will curb bot use. The people running the bots will relocate them if it becomes a problem. Not even goonswarm has the muscle to put pressure on every ice field at once. That said, welcome to Caldari space. Maybe I'll see you in Kamio. If so, it should be amusing.
Also, Mittens needs to arrange for the ganking of mission bots. The ships and potential loot can be much more valuable and he's previously stated that he considers it to be a larger source of inflation than incursions. I fully support any effort to close off the isk faucet. |
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Te'bral
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.02.15 19:06:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Te'bral wrote:Khan Farshatok wrote:first as the initiator and main "organizer" of what is going on, let me be blunt. this is in no way shape or form any sort of hulkaggedon. this is quite simply me being bored and my corp joining in for the lol's. as for us not being in it for the tears, you really dont know goons :D if for some reason though you heppened to be popped, podded and laughed at during our little run of tear gathering, then please feel free to fill out our "im not a bot" reimbursement form. because we really only wanted to kill da bots. :D love, horses and ponies khan Please excuse my ignorance, but what are people considering "bots"? i see on your form, it asks to explain why you are not a bot.... I am sure there are more people wondering the same thing. You tell us.
I have no idea.... that is why I am asking..
I mean, if you dont want to tell me what a bot is that is fine, but i would think if the purpose of this is to get rid of bots then it would be a good idea to define what that is, especially if you want people to explain why they are not bots..
i am just curious. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
728
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Posted - 2012.02.15 19:08:00 -
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Razzor Death wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:Is it that time already? Guess I better blow the dust of my miner and pull him out of mothballs for another fun filled ganker cryfest. As for the little bee earlier jackin off over denial of a Titan's worth of minerals denied... So what? That's prolly less than 1% of the minerals mined in a day in EVE. Christ you people can be dumb. Nothing will put a dent in the mineral market. Sure, gank some newbs. Have your little circle jerk about it in C&P. But don't pretend it's going to make one bit of difference in the long run. Mr Epeen hahaha look at this nerd
No capitals.
Must be hard to type with one hand on the keyboard and the other furiously pulling your pud. Try naked women. It's a little less creepy.
Mr Epeen
Me too!-á I ate one sour, too! |
Stonecrusher Mortlock
University of Caille Gallente Federation
20
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Posted - 2012.02.15 19:13:00 -
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i see this lasting about as long as the ice thing did before they get bored and move on to booster interdiction or maybe PI interdiction who knows... |
Skorpynekomimi
E.A.D Alliance Omega Vector
114
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Posted - 2012.02.15 19:17:00 -
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FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:Also, Mittens needs to arrange for the ganking of mission bots. The ships and potential loot can be much more valuable and he's previously stated that he considers it to be a larger source of inflation than incursions. I fully support any effort to close off the isk faucet.
That would require skill and effort beyond 'arrive at belt, target ship, fire, die, board next ship, repeat'. Scan down missioner, determine tank, gank, shut off stream of abuse from a mission runner who wasn't a bot, repeat until you find someone that IS a bot. |
baltec1
616
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Posted - 2012.02.15 19:22:00 -
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Skorpynekomimi wrote:FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:Also, Mittens needs to arrange for the ganking of mission bots. The ships and potential loot can be much more valuable and he's previously stated that he considers it to be a larger source of inflation than incursions. I fully support any effort to close off the isk faucet. That would require skill and effort beyond 'arrive at belt, target ship, fire, die, board next ship, repeat'. Scan down missioner, determine tank, gank, shut off stream of abuse from a mission runner who wasn't a bot, repeat until you find someone that IS a bot.
Yep, it would require us to camp stations and blap them whe they undock |
Khan Farshatok
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
2
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Posted - 2012.02.15 19:45:00 -
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March rabbit wrote:the first (and the last) question is: how long can this hulkageddon last? Yes. Goons kill miners for like some months already. But "unlimited duration"??? Do you think suicide ganking can be fun enough to do it for real long time? Maybe old goons will leave and new ones join party.... But i'm pretty sure after some time all this "geddon" will loose its size. Other option can be: suicide ganking bot
I LOVE THE GANKING BOT IDEA!!! |
Khan Farshatok
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
2
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Posted - 2012.02.15 19:51:00 -
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Skorpynekomimi wrote:Also. It won't last. The ice interdiction didn't last. People get bored and want to go back to shooting things that actually fight back. No funding is unlimited. Sov bills have to be paid.
So, it's not 'will it last'. It's 'how long will it last', and 'will the motivation or the ISK or the targets run out first'.
if your wallet is as deep as mine then yes, yes it is.
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Nephilius
Grey Legionaires
315
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Posted - 2012.02.15 19:52:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Zimmy Zeta wrote:Most dedicated miners I have met are multiboxing, mostly afk or at least semi-afk.I don't think that it is easy to watch many different barges all the time. So mining while not afk and being aware of your surrounding would most likely mean that a miner cannot field 5-6 characters, but only 2 or 3, maybe even only one. That's their problem and they have no-one else to blame when they get ganked. Quote:So they would lose money. Money is the only thing that drives a miner, easy afk money. So if they couldn't get this money anymore- they would not change their playstyle, they would just use bots instead. Or they could admit that they are worthless people who should just sod off and have a few freak boating accidents instead.
Wow Tip, that's a whole lot of venomous bile from you. Usually you seem to have your head on straighter that this. Guess that thesis is taking an emotional toll on you.
But it really does illustrate a good point about this community these days. An us versus them mentality, measuring a person's based on their activities, delegating others to an eventual fate of working in a camp somewhere. Well, at least not in the literal sense, but there is definitely a overblown sense of superiority at work here.
I am happy that hisec ganking can occur, its fitting in the whole mythos of New Eden being a violent and unstable place. But I also think that people are allowing themselves to be brainwashed as well. I know that its in fashion to go along with the crowd, hoping to reap some approval from what one considers their betters. It's sycophantic behavior though, and that really does saddened me. It signals, to me, the loss of independent thought, creativity, and diversity...all once cornerstones of this game.
I'm pretty much to the point that every group can sod off. For me, its not the perpetual illusions created by people, or the vast conspiracy theories (among the biggest is that hisec is safe) or who is botting and who isn't and who is better than who. I honestly just don't really care anymore. All that really matters to me is the game, which is more than I can say for some who play it. I know that there will come a time when the game gets broken, whether through player action, or the lack of maintenance and refusal to enforce the rules by the makers of the game. It is inevitable. It will happen. And that will be a pretty sad day for those who can see it when it comes. To stand before a man at an inquisition, knowing that he will rejoice when we die, knowing that he will commit us to the stake and its horrors without a moment's hesitation or remorse if we do not satisfy him, is not an experience much less cruel because our inquisitor does not whip us or rack us or shout at us. |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
274
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Posted - 2012.02.15 19:52:00 -
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Skorpynekomimi wrote: That would require skill and effort beyond 'arrive at belt, target ship, fire, die, board next ship, repeat'. Scan down missioner, determine tank, gank, shut off stream of abuse from a mission runner who wasn't a bot, repeat until you find someone that IS a bot.
Have you tried? It's actually very funny. They bark like you violated their sister if not worse. Some even go mad just at tickling teh phat lewt of theirs.
March rabbit wrote:Khan Farshatok wrote:Other option can be: suicide ganking bot I LOVE THE GANKING BOT IDEA!!!
From PvP to BvB (Bot vs Bot).
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Razzor Death
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
51
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Posted - 2012.02.15 19:56:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:No capitals. Must be hard to type with one hand on the keyboard and the other furiously pulling your pud. Try naked women. It's a little less creepy. Mr Epeen
do another one of your high sec tuff guy role play posts |
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