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Khan Farshatok
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
2
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Posted - 2012.02.15 20:02:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:[quote=Razzor Death][quote=Mr Epeen] Must be hard to type with one hand on the keyboard and the other furiously pulling your pud. Try naked women. It's a little less creepy. Mr Epeen
the fact that you think that naked women is even a little creepy lets us know all we need to know about you. |
arcca jeth
Dark Alliance Dark Empire Alliance
71
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Posted - 2012.02.15 20:05:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Zimmy Zeta wrote:Most dedicated miners I have met are multiboxing, mostly afk or at least semi-afk.I don't think that it is easy to watch many different barges all the time. So mining while not afk and being aware of your surrounding would most likely mean that a miner cannot field 5-6 characters, but only 2 or 3, maybe even only one. That's their problem and they have no-one else to blame when they get ganked. Quote:So they would lose money. Money is the only thing that drives a miner, easy afk money. So if they couldn't get this money anymore- they would not change their playstyle, they would just use bots instead. Or they could admit that they are worthless people who should just sod off and have a few freak boating accidents instead.
get off it already. people who are into industry are not worthless people. they enjoy harvesting resources and building stuff just like in any other game, except in EVE, it's unappreciated by the very same people who buy your products. THEN some try to use them to destroy you and make your game a little more difficult while you are trying to support the in game economy.
And what is your driver in the game? do you survive and play with NO ISK? how do YOU fund your ship and fit purchases? donations? Mining is just another way to make money in this game. it is not the "crafters" fault that EVE is so easily botable AND mining is not the only easy isk faucet. Ratting is botable and incursions in a large well setup gang requires not a whole lot of your attention and the payouts are much better. There are lots of ways to make easy isk and easier ways to make AFK ISK. If easy isk is your argument, then go ahead and remove research agents, planetary interaction and moon mining.....
"Money is the only thing that drives a miner, easy afk money" this is your opinion. so would you advocate the removal of R&D agents? PI? Moon mining? Incursions? RATS? Missions? Anything that doesnt require 100% of your attention to play?
give me an f'n break lol
my experience in mining has been somewhat enjoyable but it was only after i was running 3 hulks and an orca on one PC through 4 monitors that it actually became a bit more entertaining. reason being is that roids deplete much quicker and keeping the lasers going is much more of an attention keeper.
I don't support the use of bots but here we are again where people trash talk others because they enjoy an aspect of the game that YOU do not.
TL;DR? get over it, and yourself |
Khan Farshatok
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
2
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Posted - 2012.02.15 20:10:00 -
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arcca jeth wrote:Tippia wrote:Zimmy Zeta wrote:Most dedicated miners I have met are multiboxing, mostly afk or at least semi-afk.I don't think that it is easy to watch many different barges all the time. So mining while not afk and being aware of your surrounding would most likely mean that a miner cannot field 5-6 characters, but only 2 or 3, maybe even only one. That's their problem and they have no-one else to blame when they get ganked. Quote:So they would lose money. Money is the only thing that drives a miner, easy afk money. So if they couldn't get this money anymore- they would not change their playstyle, they would just use bots instead. Or they could admit that they are worthless people who should just sod off and have a few freak boating accidents instead. get off it already. people who are into industry are not worthless people. they enjoy harvesting resources and building stuff just like in any other game, except in EVE, it's unappreciated by the very same people who buy your products.
i stopped reading there. stop being a pubbie and go to nullsec. when there are no longer easy target in high sec then i will go back out to 0.0 |
arcca jeth
Dark Alliance Dark Empire Alliance
71
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Posted - 2012.02.15 20:19:00 -
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lol i find it ironic that you are calling me a pubbie and telling me to go out to Null where I do play (showing you don't know squat about me just because i occasionally like to mine) when YOU are in a huge nullsec alliance with SOV hanging out in high sec, probably more than I do infact. just because you are in Goons doesn't make you leet bud. i actually fly in YOUR SPACE idiot lmao |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
573
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Posted - 2012.02.15 20:25:00 -
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I don't hate miners...
I just hate anyone (miners usually) who whines when they got blown up because they couldn't be bothered to try to play the game.
Want it easy, expect to be an easy target.
Anyway, that is why I support this service.
Along with the entertaining ganker tears when they fail to kill me. |
Zimmy Zeta
Battle Force Industries Tactical Invader Syndicate
832
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Posted - 2012.02.15 20:25:00 -
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Ok, now you have been mixing up my points that were quoted by Tippia with his points, that were meant to refute mine.
As far as my points are concerned:
- I am an industrialist myself, I do invention, manufacturing and trading, and yes, I like the concept of economic warfare and completely dominating and cornering a specific market. Good stuff.
- Remove R/D Agents for all I care. I do inventions a lot, and there is no possible way to create all those datacores myself, so I am used to buying them of the markets already.
- I just recently met what I would call "hardcore miners". A whole bunch of them, people that I have never encountered before in Eve. People that multibox with 9 accounts, mining veldspar in highsec while being afk and playing Skyrim or WoW. This sounds like a cliche, but they exist. I have nothing personal against those guys, they are well mannered and polite people. But in my understanding they do not play the game (Eve, I am talking about Eve) . Playing Skyrim or WoW is NOT playing Eve online. They do not deserve to be protected from ganks. You want to achieve something in a game? Then play it. But expecting to be good in a game that you do not actively play is just all kinds of wrong.
-.- |
Velicitia
Open Designs
627
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Posted - 2012.02.15 20:28:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Zimmy Zeta wrote:Most dedicated miners I have met are multiboxing, mostly afk or at least semi-afk.I don't think that it is easy to watch many different barges all the time. So mining while not afk and being aware of your surrounding would most likely mean that a miner cannot field 5-6 characters, but only 2 or 3, maybe even only one. That's their problem and they have no-one else to blame when they get ganked. Quote:So they would lose money. Money is the only thing that drives a miner, easy afk money. So if they couldn't get this money anymore- they would not change their playstyle, they would just use bots instead. Or they could admit that they are worthless people who should just sod off and have a few freak boating accidents instead.
can they have their freak boating accidents AFTER they bring trit back to a reasonable price? Thanks.
@arcca --> Tippia has a point though. Miners (generally) min/max their boats to an extreme degree in favour of most m3/cycle, and then complain that they're too defenceless in the face of 8x 1400s. Couple that with the "entitlement" attitude that many seem to have, and you'll quickly start to see why there's a lot of vitriol directed in their direction.
I used to be in the "they shouldn't be allowed to violence me, I just want to mine" crowd ... then after working with some lowsec (and nullsec) types, things just clicked, and the ideas of why people SHOULD be allowed to suicide-gank me (or anyone, for that matter) finally made sense. |
Leeroy McJenkins
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
46
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Posted - 2012.02.15 20:29:00 -
[98] - Quote
arcca jeth wrote:lol i find it ironic that you are calling me a pubbie and telling me to go out to Null where I do play (showing you don't know squat about me just because i occasionally like to mine) when YOU are in a huge nullsec alliance with SOV hanging out in high sec, probably more than I do infact. just because you are in Goons doesn't make you leet bud. i actually fly in YOUR SPACE idiot lmao
This appears to be working out extremely well for you, pubbie. The Official Non-Official Goonswarm Federation |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
728
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Posted - 2012.02.15 20:50:00 -
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Razzor Death wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:No capitals. Must be hard to type with one hand on the keyboard and the other furiously pulling your pud. Try naked women. It's a little less creepy. Mr Epeen do another one of your high sec tuff guy role play posts
Khan Farshatok wrote:
the fact that you think that naked women is even a little creepy lets us know all we need to know about you.
Little bees usually just multipost with the same character. You must be new.
Still a nobody who's opinion counts for ****, no matter who you post with, though.
Mr Epeen
Me too!-á I ate one sour, too! |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
4931
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Posted - 2012.02.15 20:52:00 -
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Nephilius wrote:But it really does illustrate a good point about this community these days. An us versus them mentality, measuring a person's based on their activities, delegating others to an eventual fate of working in a camp somewhere. Well, at least not in the literal sense, but there is definitely a overblown sense of superiority at work here. Yeah, no.
It illustrates that anyone who would rather turn to botting than learn how to play the game is an idiot and a piece of scum and the more of them gets bullied into leaving the game and then accidentally falling down a manhole, the better. It has nothing to do with activities GÇö it has to do with them being a bunch of cheating assholes.
Miners are not a problem. Miners who think they should be protected for absolutely no reason are something of a problem (especially if what they need to be protected against is themselves). Miners who use bots are a huge issue. Don't confuse the three.
arcca jeth wrote:get off it already. people who are into industry are not worthless people. How about you learn to read instead? When you do, you'll notice that no-one said people who are into industry is worthless. In fact, people who are into industry are quite valuable.
People who refuse to adapt to the game they've chosen to play; people who whine about everyone and everything but themselves and the errors they make, when it's those own errors who get them killed; people who refuse to learn even the most obvious and simple lesson; people who use bots GÇö those are the ones who are worthless for the simple reason that they add exactly zero worth to the game. In fact, they do quite the opposite: they quite often rob the game of the value it would have without their worthless presence.
Quote:"Money is the only thing that drives a miner, easy afk money" this is your opinion. No it's not. Learn to read.
Quote:I don't support the use of bots Yes well, guess what. Your failure to read, and the response you've written as a result of this failure, actually mean that you do. It might not have been your intent, but that's what happened.
TL;DR? Learn to read.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
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Cipher Jones
301
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Posted - 2012.02.15 20:56:00 -
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Jafit wrote:Cipher Jones wrote:Jafit wrote:It's interesting how Moon mining and PI are other forms of resource gathering in this game introduced since belt mining, and they're passive in nature rather than requiring players to sit in a ship and shoot at something. I like to think that this is because CCP realised how bad mining gameplay is, but that probably isn't the reason.
As for bots, any activity that is boring and monotonous, and which requires no thought or creativity can and will be botted. This goes for mining, ratting, missions, and Jita 0.01 isk undercutting market PvP. Bots are a symptom of a bad game with boring gameplay. People complain about CCP not banning bots, instead you should complain about the gameplay, and make gameplay that requires human thought and creativity to play, then the bots will go away on their own.
Out of interest does anyone know of any bots that can do probing? If not then that's a step in the right direction. I was going to like you post till I finished reading it. Every single online game has bots, bar none. So, are you saying that because other MMOs have bots that we should just accept our boring repetitive gameplay and the bots that come with it? If so your opinion is invalid.
I am clearly saying your conclusion that "Bots are a symptom of a bad game with boring gameplay" would also mean that every single MMO is a bad game with boring gameplay.
See what happens when fat neckbeards try to ride little ponies? The ponies die. |
arcca jeth
Dark Alliance Dark Empire Alliance
73
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Posted - 2012.02.15 20:56:00 -
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Zimmy Zeta wrote:Ok, now you have been mixing up my points that were quoted by Tippia with his points, that were meant to refute mine. As far as my points are concerned: - I am an industrialist myself, I do invention, manufacturing and trading, and yes, I like the concept of economic warfare and completely dominating and cornering a specific market. Good stuff. - Remove R/D Agents for all I care. I do inventions a lot, and there is no possible way to create all those datacores myself, so I am used to buying them of the markets already. - I just recently met what I would call "hardcore miners". A whole bunch of them, people that I have never encountered before in Eve. People that multibox with 9 accounts, mining veldspar in highsec while being afk and playing Skyrim or WoW. This sounds like a cliche, but they exist. I have nothing personal against those guys, they are well mannered and polite people. But in my understanding they do not play the game (Eve, I am talking about Eve) . Playing Skyrim or WoW is NOT playing Eve online. They do not deserve to be protected from ganks. You want to achieve something in a game? Then play it.But expecting to be good in a game that you do not actively play is just all kinds of wrong.
I agree completely, sorry for the all inclusive quote. it was more a reaction to Tippia who usually does not resort to the sort of behavior that she/he has expressed by calling miners worthless people. sorry again. |
arcca jeth
Dark Alliance Dark Empire Alliance
73
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Posted - 2012.02.15 21:03:00 -
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Leeroy McJenkins wrote:arcca jeth wrote:lol i find it ironic that you are calling me a pubbie and telling me to go out to Null where I do play (showing you don't know squat about me just because i occasionally like to mine) when YOU are in a huge nullsec alliance with SOV hanging out in high sec, probably more than I do infact. just because you are in Goons doesn't make you leet bud. i actually fly in YOUR SPACE idiot lmao This appears to be working out extremely well for you, pubbie.
yah and? so i lose some recons? big woop, you just proved my point that I fly in your space. Sorry that I am not a neckbeard KB *****? and sorry that i don't have 1000+ SOV holding alliance? and who doesn't lose a ship now and again in EC? it's bubbled excessively nearly 24/7.
Doesn't stop me from flying in your space when i feel like it. it was a response to being told to fly in 0.0 when i do that already. so thanks for proving my point. yah my KB sucks because i fly solo and has no friends. you going to beat me up on that now too? get a life dude
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baltec1
617
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Posted - 2012.02.15 21:16:00 -
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arcca jeth wrote:Leeroy McJenkins wrote:arcca jeth wrote:lol i find it ironic that you are calling me a pubbie and telling me to go out to Null where I do play (showing you don't know squat about me just because i occasionally like to mine) when YOU are in a huge nullsec alliance with SOV hanging out in high sec, probably more than I do infact. just because you are in Goons doesn't make you leet bud. i actually fly in YOUR SPACE idiot lmao This appears to be working out extremely well for you, pubbie. yah and? so i lose some recons? big woop, you just proved my point that I fly in your space. Sorry that I am not a neckbeard KB *****? and sorry that i don't have 1000+ SOV holding alliance? and who doesn't lose a ship now and again in EC? it's bubbled excessively nearly 24/7. Doesn't stop me from flying in your space when i feel like it. it was a response to being told to fly in 0.0 when i do that already. so thanks for proving my point. yah my KB sucks because i fly solo and has no friends. you going to beat me up on that now too? get a life dude
Flying around in someones back yard is not something special. |
Razzor Death
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
51
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Posted - 2012.02.15 21:30:00 -
[105] - Quote
arcca jeth wrote:Doesn't stop me from flying in your space when i feel like it. it was a response to being told to fly in 0.0 when i do that already. so thanks for proving my point. yah my KB sucks because i fly solo and has no friends. you going to beat me up on that now too? get a life dude
for 500mill I would be happy to call you a friend pal |
Khan Farshatok
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
2
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Posted - 2012.02.15 21:31:00 -
[106] - Quote
arcca jeth wrote:lol i find it ironic that you are calling me a pubbie and telling me to go out to Null where I do play (showing you don't know squat about me just because i occasionally like to mine) when YOU are in a huge nullsec alliance with SOV hanging out in high sec, probably more than I do infact. just because you are in Goons doesn't make you leet bud. i actually fly in YOUR SPACE idiot lmao
would love to see you in MY space. :D |
Jafit
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
22
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Posted - 2012.02.15 21:51:00 -
[107] - Quote
Cipher Jones wrote:Jafit wrote:Cipher Jones wrote:Jafit wrote:It's interesting how Moon mining and PI are other forms of resource gathering in this game introduced since belt mining, and they're passive in nature rather than requiring players to sit in a ship and shoot at something. I like to think that this is because CCP realised how bad mining gameplay is, but that probably isn't the reason.
As for bots, any activity that is boring and monotonous, and which requires no thought or creativity can and will be botted. This goes for mining, ratting, missions, and Jita 0.01 isk undercutting market PvP. Bots are a symptom of a bad game with boring gameplay. People complain about CCP not banning bots, instead you should complain about the gameplay, and make gameplay that requires human thought and creativity to play, then the bots will go away on their own.
Out of interest does anyone know of any bots that can do probing? If not then that's a step in the right direction. I was going to like you post till I finished reading it. Every single online game has bots, bar none. So, are you saying that because other MMOs have bots that we should just accept our boring repetitive gameplay and the bots that come with it? If so your opinion is invalid. I am clearly saying your conclusion that "Bots are a symptom of a bad game with boring gameplay" would also mean that every single MMO is a bad game with boring gameplay.
Have you ever played an MMO before? |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
985
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Posted - 2012.02.15 21:52:00 -
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Quote:What tools does EvE give to counter / fight against this potentially (they have not confirmed or denied!) strong and continued initiative?
1: Directional Scanner with a range sufficient for even the slowest miner to warp out of a belt before a hostile arrives. 2: The ability to organize/communicate with others. 3: Warp Core stabilizers, in case someone is stupid enough to scram you with a cloaking ship. 4: The ability to set standings. 5: The ability to create or join intel channels that report the identity and location of hostiles.
Combine this with the brain you already possess and it's ability to pay attention, read, type, speak, recognize individuals/corps/alliances/standings, and generally make sure you aren't there when the hostile arrives.
This is your goal, this is your PVP specialization (evasion) in this PVP centric game, this is the element of danger that keeps you from quitting out of sheer boredom.... whether you want to admit it or not, this is your truth.
When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
SkiD-MaRk
DEAD-ON
8
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Posted - 2012.02.15 21:55:00 -
[109] - Quote
Khan Farshatok wrote:Akrasjel Lanate wrote:Remember about it when you will be voitng four "your" CSM candidate yes remember, VOTE MITTANI CSM!!
Hell ya! |
arcca jeth
Dark Alliance Dark Empire Alliance
73
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Posted - 2012.02.15 21:59:00 -
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lol where someone loses a ship doesn't mean they are their all the time. have some common sense. I know your space, I used to be in TEST and flew out of VFK for awhile. I will not be paying 500M to be scammed. I am a 74M sp 6 year pilot who can fly all cap ships. YOU should be PAYING ME to join lol |
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arcca jeth
Dark Alliance Dark Empire Alliance
73
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Posted - 2012.02.15 22:00:00 -
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Khan Farshatok wrote:arcca jeth wrote:lol i find it ironic that you are calling me a pubbie and telling me to go out to Null where I do play (showing you don't know squat about me just because i occasionally like to mine) when YOU are in a huge nullsec alliance with SOV hanging out in high sec, probably more than I do infact. just because you are in Goons doesn't make you leet bud. i actually fly in YOUR SPACE idiot lmao would love to see you in MY space. :D
you wouldnt see me but in local, but rest assured I would be scanning down your assets if I was hired to
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arcca jeth
Dark Alliance Dark Empire Alliance
73
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Posted - 2012.02.15 22:02:00 -
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BTW care to buy the location of a POS housing an enemy titan 7 jumps from VFK? |
smushsmush
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
8
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Posted - 2012.02.15 22:08:00 -
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Every time a nub's mack die's a Bat gets his wings! i come for your tears gypsy!! you pubbies says the best thnigs. keep trying to justify your tears with what you consider valid claims. learn how to play don't be lazy. think outside the box that you live in or should i say ice field.
you mad bots???? |
baltec1
617
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Posted - 2012.02.15 22:10:00 -
[114] - Quote
arcca jeth wrote:lol where someone loses a ship doesn't mean they are their all the time. have some common sense. I know your space, I used to be in TEST and flew out of VFK for awhile. I will not be paying 500M to be scammed. I am a 74M sp 6 year pilot who can fly all cap ships. YOU should be PAYING ME to join lol
Just when I think you cannot sink any lower you whip out a shovel and dig down a little bit more! |
arcca jeth
Dark Alliance Dark Empire Alliance
73
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Posted - 2012.02.15 22:12:00 -
[115] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:arcca jeth wrote:lol where someone loses a ship doesn't mean they are their all the time. have some common sense. I know your space, I used to be in TEST and flew out of VFK for awhile. I will not be paying 500M to be scammed. I am a 74M sp 6 year pilot who can fly all cap ships. YOU should be PAYING ME to join lol Just when I think you cannot sink any lower you whip out a shovel and big down a little bit more!
lol just having fun
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arcca jeth
Dark Alliance Dark Empire Alliance
73
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Posted - 2012.02.15 22:23:00 -
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Tippia wrote: stuff that i expected
my bad, but i am glad you came and dissected my response and set straight my misinterpretation of the thread, no sarcasm intended.
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Xolve
The Suicide Kings Test Alliance Please Ignore
892
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Posted - 2012.02.15 22:25:00 -
[117] - Quote
arcca jeth wrote:lol just having fun
Pubbies gonna Pub.
After a brief KB review, you don't fly in our space, you die in our space, usually by your own doing. Inappropriate signature removed. Navigator. |
Khan Farshatok
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.02.15 22:52:00 -
[118] - Quote
arcca jeth wrote:lol where someone loses a ship doesn't mean they are their all the time. have some common sense. I know your space, I used to be in TEST and flew out of VFK for awhile. I will not be paying 500M to be scammed. I am a 74M sp 6 year pilot who can fly all cap ships. YOU should be PAYING ME to join lol
lololololol scrub
this char, IE i have many, is 96mil sp. and the best part is i actually have pvp skills. PROOF |
arcca jeth
Dark Alliance Dark Empire Alliance
73
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Posted - 2012.02.15 23:04:00 -
[119] - Quote
Xolve wrote:arcca jeth wrote:lol just having fun Pubbies gonna Pub. After a brief KB review, you don't fly in our space, you die in our space, usually by your own doing.
usually? you mean ...once? lol and yes i know, that was hilarious and i was bored. i expected to die. I had been providing recon on EC-Torrinos gate for a few hours and completed my task. So i went kamikaze and exploded hilariously. what i found funny at the time, you are trying to troll with, which i find equally hilarious.
I don't care about my KB. all these goons responding because some goon told me to fly in 0.0, (which i do). then a goon then posts my horribad KB which proves i fly/die in 0.0, yes there are poostains on this chars underwear. you think this is my only pilot? I do recall mittens commenting once in a thread that KB's are not a reliable source of information. You should learn from him.
why are you wasting your time replying to little ole me? i'm a nobody to you
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arcca jeth
Dark Alliance Dark Empire Alliance
73
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Posted - 2012.02.15 23:05:00 -
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Khan Farshatok wrote:arcca jeth wrote:lol where someone loses a ship doesn't mean they are their all the time. have some common sense. I know your space, I used to be in TEST and flew out of VFK for awhile. I will not be paying 500M to be scammed. I am a 74M sp 6 year pilot who can fly all cap ships. YOU should be PAYING ME to join lol lololololol scrub this char, IE i have many, is 96mil sp. and the best part is i actually have pvp skills. PROOF
i don't recall anywhere where i claimed to be good at PVP, good lord you all are idiots aren't you?
you are trying to prove something? to who? me? gaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahaha |
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