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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2012.02.15 08:42:00 -
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The official Hulkageddon manager has disappeared since a while.
Despite that, Goonswarm have formed a team dedicated to continued exhumers mass destruction that more than replaces Hulkageddon.
In fact, while the original Hulkageddon was something for the "wanna be average Joe ganker" and its balance and prizes were adequate to that, Goonswarm have basically endless funding, quite the grip over a lot of content of the game (some markets, vast 0.0 areas...) and therefore can afford a true, never ending carpet bombing strategy (without discerning between bots and not bots).
How do you feel about this?
Good for the game, because it removes many bots?
Bad because non bots are killed and podded as well?
Good or bad because it sort of pushes ice mining more to 0.0? (if the carpet bombing keeps being as thorough as is now)?
Good because more ships will be made?
Bad because nobody in hi sec can defend from an endless funds huge alliance?
This "different Hulkageddon" poses several philosophical and game design questions.
If they perma-keep the carpet bomb runs (I hope so!), basically this will remove hi sec ice mining for good. I see it as one of those "exploits" that must be repeated till large playerbase enough quits and the developers wake up off their slumber. (not really exploit in the "illegal" sense of the term, they are fully entitled to this). Hi sec dwellers are too helpless and fragmented to ever form an effective "counter" and they are against a mammoth, not the usual "average Joe" tears fuelled suicide gankers. Also there's no real defense against an organization that can just bring N + 1 ships whatever buffs / tank you fit (and Macks are not known for their survivability at all).
What tools does EvE give to counter / fight against this potentially (they have not confirmed or denied!) strong and continued initiative?
I rewrite the hypothetical terms in short:
1) Unlimited funding for the operation. 2) Unlimited duration. 3) Unlimited and thorough belts carpet bombing. You can see the same players killed multiple times a day, there's no "recoup the losses by mining more" factor. First time it happens and if Goons are smart they will keep this pressure for months.
Long term consequences of the above on the playerbase (in general)? 0.0 consequences / monopoly? (yes I am baiting you 0.0 haters!) Choices left to the hi sec miners since whatever they do, they will die?
I find all of this quite intellectually amusing (am I slowing goonizing myself?)
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Valei Khurelem
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Posted - 2012.02.15 08:43:00 -
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It's a shame they don't do anything about the bots that will inevitably be grinding away on the other side of 0.0 space, but I can see GoonSwarm don't like fighting against the odds anymore, anything that kills the advantage bots have over normal players is a good thing but it's obvious that the Goons are just in it for the profit.
I'm not a 0.0 hater :P I just think this whole game is fubar, some areas more than others.
This basically reminds me of how the UK had a one day strike which was the most useless thing ever because the government actually made money from that and people didn't have to deal with all the usual b.s. public sector workers caused them, in the end this will go on for awhile and then everyone will forget it happened.
"don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP." -á - CCP Ytterbium |
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
373
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Posted - 2012.02.15 08:57:00 -
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Just dont travel to bat country. Signature removed, CCP Phantom |
None ofthe Above
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Posted - 2012.02.15 08:57:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:...
I find all of this quite intellectually amusing (am I slowing goonizing myself?)
Yes.
Yes you are.
Tired of the current CSM? Vote for me, I am None ofthe Above! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=795254
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Mara Tessidar
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
481
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Posted - 2012.02.15 09:06:00 -
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rodyas wrote:Just dont travel to bat country.
I wasted like a fifth of my total possible sec status just podding some miner who didn't even have implants in.
Totally worth it. http://goo.gl/uX5vk |
Parthonax
5
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Posted - 2012.02.15 09:06:00 -
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Valei Khurelem wrote:It's a shame they don't do anything about the bots that will inevitably be grinding away on the other side of 0.0 space, but I can see GoonSwarm don't like fighting against the odds anymore, anything that kills the advantage bots have over normal players is a good thing but it's obvious that the Goons are just in it for the profit.
I'm not a 0.0 hater :P I just think this whole game is fubar, some areas more than others.
This basically reminds me of how the UK had a one day strike which was the most useless thing ever because the government actually made money from that and people didn't have to deal with all the usual b.s. public sector workers caused them, in the end this will go on for awhile and then everyone will forget it happened.
Tend to agree with this , bots in nullsec are a bigger problem than the icemining bots in highsec , we all know the size of the icemining bots in highsec and it is a problem but a problem that is visible to everyone and relative easy to solve Ratting bots in null sec we all hear about but most of us have no clue how big it really is , we only know it is huge enough to fuel a thriving RMT market. there have been several posts over the last few weeks about a certain russian alliance leader admitting that botting earns him more than a RL job , only a small window on what is really happening out there, but enough to fear the worse
I don't think that a annual hulkaggedon is gamebreaking , it keeps people sharp or give them a opportunity to explore other sides of the game for a few weeks , i only disaprove over the fact that it never seems to stop these days so this is permanence |
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
374
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Posted - 2012.02.15 09:10:00 -
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I like bot country though. Signature removed, CCP Phantom |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
273
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Posted - 2012.02.15 09:39:00 -
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Parthonax wrote:
I don't think that a annual hulkaggedon is gamebreaking , it keeps people sharp or give them a opportunity to explore other sides of the game for a few weeks , i only disaprove over the fact that it never seems to stop these days
The novel idea is this, this could be a never ending and completely all encompassing and all time zones, 23/7 Hulkageddon.
I am exploring known ice belts, they are all empty even in The Forge! Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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baltec1
611
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Posted - 2012.02.15 09:57:00 -
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Greetings from BAT Country.
I would like to take this time to provide some information upon this matter. As has been hinted at we have laid claim upon caldari space which shall now be refered to as BAT Country.
Now as you can see, our war on frost giants goes well however we do expect some bottom feeders who are not bots to get cought up in this. Should any wish to, they can request a form to to fill in and convince our gatekeeper that they are not bots flying ice chariots for the frost giants. Our internet wizards will also be providing a hell purge protection form soon which people can sign up to for a nominal fee (yet to be determind) per miner. Should you wish, you can contact myself right now and I will see about putting you onto a list of the forgiven so that you may continue to suckle upon the ice flows of space in peace. |
Sasha Azala
Blood and Decay
19
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Posted - 2012.02.15 10:11:00 -
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@ op
It's actually quite tragic how the community has changed over the years stirred up by people like yourself.
How bad is botting in this game does anyone really know, I doubt that.
I do know that the majority that suspect botting would not even know a bot if they saw one.
The paranoia about bots has grown over the years to a point that it's just a witch-hunt these days, being a witch-hunt it does not matter if someone's botting or not as long as they're mining.
A never ending Hulkageddon would more than likely damage the game more than bots do.
As for forcing people into 0.0, it won't happen, all you will do is force the non-botters that mine and like a quieter life out of the game. Is that what you want to do?
And no, I don't mine these days, not because of Hulkageddon I had already given up with it before Hulkageddon had even started. Used to get asked if I was a bot or not, sometimes I'd answer sometimes not as you get fed up with people asking. Someone mining in this game can look a bit like a bot because of the nature of mining in this game. |
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
273
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Posted - 2012.02.15 10:53:00 -
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Sasha Azala wrote:@ op
It's actually quite tragic how the community has changed over the years stirred up by people like yourself.
You don't get it, do you?
You'll never make mining viable nor fun if not by making it impossible until the devs do something drastic.
MMOs work by priorities set by both the developers and users, if you want to change something that blatantly sucks, you destroy it until it's changed. Only Goons can be used for that, because they can do that.
Otherwise, in the next 10 years you'll still sit there bored to tears, getting a pittance, while everything else gets improved, and upgraded around you.
Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Lady Vella
One For A Point Two For A Slap
5
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Posted - 2012.02.15 10:57:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:The official Hulkageddon manager has disappeared since a while. Despite that, Goonswarm have formed a team dedicated to continued exhumers mass destruction that more than replaces Hulkageddon. In fact, while the original Hulkageddon was something for the "wanna be average Joe ganker" and its balance and prizes were adequate to that, Goonswarm have basically endless funding, quite the grip over a lot of content of the game (some markets, vast 0.0 areas...) and therefore can afford a true, never ending carpet bombing strategy (without discerning between bots and not bots). How do you feel about this? Good for the game, because it removes many bots? Bad because non bots are killed and podded as well? Good or bad because it sort of pushes ice mining more to 0.0? (if the carpet bombing keeps being as thorough as is now)? Good because more ships will be made? Bad because nobody in hi sec can defend from an endless funds huge alliance? This "different Hulkageddon" poses several philosophical and game design questions. If they perma-keep the carpet bomb runs (I hope so!), basically this will remove hi sec ice mining for good. I see it as one of those "exploits" that must be repeated till large playerbase enough quits and the developers wake up off their slumber. (not really exploit in the "illegal" sense of the term, they are fully entitled to this). Hi sec dwellers are too helpless and fragmented to ever form an effective "counter" and they are against a mammoth, not the usual "average Joe" tears fuelled suicide gankers. Also there's no real defense against an organization that can just bring N + 1 ships whatever buffs / tank you fit (and Macks are not known for their survivability at all). What tools does EvE give to counter / fight against this potentially (they have not confirmed or denied!) strong and continued initiative? I rewrite the hypothetical terms in short: 1) Unlimited funding for the operation. 2) Unlimited duration. 3) Unlimited and thorough belts carpet bombing. You can see the same players killed multiple times a day, there's no "recoup the losses by mining more" factor. First time it happens and if Goons are smart they will keep this pressure for months. Long term consequences of the above on the playerbase (in general)? 0.0 consequences / monopoly? (yes I am baiting you 0.0 haters!) Choices left to the hi sec miners since whatever they do, they will die? I find all of this quite intellectually amusing (am I slowing goonizing myself?)
They do nothing but run less than 5-10 jumps of jita/amarr - stay away from there n ur fine, our old corp is a massive mining corp n they lost nothing. Goons as fucktards |
Sasha Azala
Blood and Decay
20
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Posted - 2012.02.15 10:57:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Sasha Azala wrote:@ op
It's actually quite tragic how the community has changed over the years stirred up by people like yourself.
You don't get it, do you? You'll never make mining viable nor fun if not by making it impossible until the devs do something drastic. MMOs work by priorities set by both the developers and users, if you want to change something that blatantly sucks, you destroy it until it's changed. Only Goons can be used for that, because they can do that. Otherwise, in the next 10 years you'll still sit there bored to tears, getting a pittance, while everything else gets improved, and upgraded around you.
Do you mine? |
Tore Vest
211
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Posted - 2012.02.15 11:09:00 -
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Hm.... where did I store my battlehulk..... Highsec carebear... and proud of it |
RogueAnt
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
13
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Posted - 2012.02.15 11:28:00 -
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I was there......
I was bored.....
http://kb.batcountry-eve.org/index.php/cc_detail/4/
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Khan Farshatok
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.02.15 11:35:00 -
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first as the initiator and main "organizer" of what is going on, let me be blunt. this is in no way shape or form any sort of hulkaggedon. this is quite simply me being bored and my corp joining in for the lol's. as for us not being in it for the tears, you really dont know goons :D
if for some reason though you heppened to be popped, podded and laughed at during our little run of tear gathering, then please feel free to fill out our "im not a bot" reimbursement form. because we really only wanted to kill da bots. :D
love, horses and ponies khan |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Industrial Complex Cosmic Consortium
951
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Posted - 2012.02.15 11:37:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:You don't get it, do you?
You'll never make mining viable nor fun if not by making it impossible until the devs do something drastic.
You don't get it, do you?
The only people who want mining to be more fun are people who have never done it.
Making mining more viable or fun is not going to stop bored Goons suicide ganking anything that moves or doesn't move, as the case may be. |
Sasha Azala
Blood and Decay
20
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Posted - 2012.02.15 11:47:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Sasha Azala wrote:@ op
It's actually quite tragic how the community has changed over the years stirred up by people like yourself.
You don't get it, do you? You'll never make mining viable nor fun if not by making it impossible until the devs do something drastic. MMOs work by priorities set by both the developers and users, if you want to change something that blatantly sucks, you destroy it until it's changed. Only Goons can be used for that, because they can do that. Otherwise, in the next 10 years you'll still sit there bored to tears, getting a pittance, while everything else gets improved, and upgraded around you.
Do you mine?
As you've not answered that yes or no question, I'll assume you don't.
You can't call for change if you don't even participate in that activity (health and safety does apply here) what gives you the right to ask for changes under that condition? You could argue but it might be more exciting and you would then mine, but the reality is it's never likely to be as exciting as combat can be. So the chances are you would not do it even if there were changes to it.
Also consider there are a lot of miners who might like it the way it is, albeit they would not mind a larger income from it.
If people want change to mining, making a noise and stamping your feet about it not the right way to go about it. Unfortunately this day and age with limited resource in RL some people have learned that you can get things done quicker by making a louder noise than someone else, but that is similar to a parent giving into their children so as to have a quieter life.
If people really want to change mining then they should petition it through their representatives (CSMs), as long as the CSMs act professionally and have a good working knowledge of the game then CCP will more than likely listen to them at least.
Would be interesting to know how many miners like it the way it is compared with those that would make it more interactive, but any attempt at trying to gain that information is likely to not truly represent the true figures, but might give an idea. |
Jenshae Chiroptera
435
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Posted - 2012.02.15 11:48:00 -
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Hulkaggeddon is completely irrelevant.
- Some newbies that have just gotten into their first Hulks will quit sooner than later.
- The veterans are in Covetors, friend's worm holes or taking a missions break
- The bots make so much ISK in all the time that they are not being ganked that they just absorb this little cost.
The only thing it does is make a bit of a fuss, give the Goons the attention that they are desperate for and present some (g/w)ankers with an occasion to get in a circle and stroke their e-peens. Ideas & stuff EVE - the game of sand castles, either building them or kicking them down. -á Status: Taking a break |
Akrasjel Lanate
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
594
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Posted - 2012.02.15 11:49:00 -
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Remember about it when you will be voitng four "your" CSM candidate |
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Jafit
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
16
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Posted - 2012.02.15 11:56:00 -
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It's interesting how Moon mining and PI are other forms of resource gathering in this game introduced since belt mining, and they're passive in nature rather than requiring players to sit in a ship and shoot at something. I like to think that this is because CCP realised how bad mining gameplay is, but that probably isn't the reason.
As for bots, any activity that is boring and monotonous, and which requires no thought or creativity can and will be botted. This goes for mining, ratting, missions, and Jita 0.01 isk undercutting market PvP. Bots are a symptom of a bad game with boring gameplay. People complain about CCP not banning bots, instead you should complain about the gameplay, and make gameplay that requires human thought and creativity to play, then the bots will go away on their own.
Out of interest does anyone know of any bots that can do probing? If not then that's a step in the right direction. |
Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
382
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Posted - 2012.02.15 11:58:00 -
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Valei Khurelem wrote:It's a shame they don't do anything about the bots that will inevitably be grinding away on the other side of 0.0 space, but I can see GoonSwarm don't like fighting against the odds anymore, anything that kills the advantage bots have over normal players is a good thing but it's obvious that the Goons are just in it for the profit.
I'm not a 0.0 hater :P I just think this whole game is fubar, some areas more than others.
This basically reminds me of how the UK had a one day strike which was the most useless thing ever because the government actually made money from that and people didn't have to deal with all the usual b.s. public sector workers caused them, in the end this will go on for awhile and then everyone will forget it happened.
Some alliances do have organized, dedicated bot hunting teams that spend time hunting those buggers.
The problem is, each bot takes around a week to get a single kill on, because you have to make it ignore you before you can get a shot at it, and that means cloaky camping the system the bot in til you get whitelisted so they can actually make money again.
Highsec bots don't autodock when a neut enters system(can you imagine), so are easier targets.
Oh, and as someone who spends alot of time running an orca to support miners, only a botter would support the current system not needing an overhaul, because the only way to make the current system fun is with a group of being getting highly intoxicated. Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
Jenshae Chiroptera
435
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Posted - 2012.02.15 12:00:00 -
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Jafit wrote:... As for bots, any activity that is boring and monotonous, and which requires no thought or creativity can and will be botted. ..
I knew it! Those little thrashers were behaving oddly. Someone forgot the trollolol text module! Ideas & stuff EVE - the game of sand castles, either building them or kicking them down. -á Status: Taking a break |
Khan Farshatok
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
2
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Posted - 2012.02.15 12:02:00 -
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Akrasjel Lanate wrote:Remember about it when you will be voitng four "your" CSM candidate
yes remember, VOTE MITTANI CSM!!
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Captain Vampire
The Condemned and Convicted
0
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Posted - 2012.02.15 12:04:00 -
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Khan Farshatok wrote:first as the initiator and main "organizer" of what is going on, let me be blunt. this is in no way shape or form any sort of hulkaggedon. this is quite simply me being bored and my corp joining in for the lol's. as for us not being in it for the tears, you really dont know goons :D
if for some reason though you heppened to be popped, podded and laughed at during our little run of tear gathering, then please feel free to fill out our "im not a bot" reimbursement form[/url]. because we really only wanted to kill da bots. :D
love, horses and ponies khan
I really can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not on the reimbursement lol
Anyways, I'm posting you a confirmed bot, a player contracted me on him. Did the usual checks and I'm 110% sure he was a bot! Fill your boots with his tears if you see him "coolbreeze1" is the char!
Ice mining bots can kiss my arse, undecided on the roid bots though, losing them may massively raise the mineral prices. I ain't no miner and never wish to start to save some iskies! lol
Much Love
CV The Condemned and Convicted - Mercs for hire! Join "HAM." or contact "BlackCamper"
http://www.condemned-and-convicted.dk/kb |
Arcathra
Technodyne Ltd.
171
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Posted - 2012.02.15 12:09:00 -
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Let them do this. I'm really curious how this might effect the economy. Especially for themself. |
Valei Khurelem
325
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Posted - 2012.02.15 12:21:00 -
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Quote:Highsec bots don't autodock when a neut enters system(can you imagine), so are easier targets.
So basically what you're saying is that they're too lazy to go and hunt down the bots themselves? I'd love to do it but I'll get shot if I go there solo. I do think however that sometimes it seems CCP don't even play their game with the kind of things they talk about and the changes they put in, the font debacle is a perfect example because while that's been fixed it took them having to read a several threads of rage on the issue before they seemed to really acknowledge anything, same for stuff like the Nex Store.
Don't game devs play their games anymore? The GM's need to just get into a CONCORD ship and have a look at the 0.0 systems, I bet they have some sort of cheat that will make them invisible on Local too so they would easily be able to catch them. It's like in real life, police don't catch criminals by sitting around in their offices all day doing paper work, they actually have to go out and talk to people about it or catch them in the act.
"don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP." -á - CCP Ytterbium |
Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
383
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Posted - 2012.02.15 12:27:00 -
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Valei Khurelem wrote:Quote:Highsec bots don't autodock when a neut enters system(can you imagine), so are easier targets. So basically what you're saying is that they're too lazy to go and hunt down the bots themselves? I'd love to do it but I'll get shot if I go there solo. I do think however that sometimes it seems CCP don't even play their game with the kind of things they talk about and the changes they put in, the font debacle is a perfect example because while that's been fixed it took them having to read a several threads of rage on the issue before they seemed to really acknowledge anything, same for stuff like the Nex Store. Don't game devs play their games anymore? The GM's need to just get into a CONCORD ship and have a look at the 0.0 systems, I bet they have some sort of cheat that will make them invisible on Local too so they would easily be able to catch them. It's like in real life, police don't catch criminals by sitting around in their offices all day doing paper work, they actually have to go out and talk to people about it or catch them in the act. Its not lazy, its the number of man hours required for them to verify a bot. We can (and do)go hunting, and simply laugh at collateral damage telling people not to act so much like bots. If CCP does the same thing, they have huge drama on their hands, so they have to be sure before they do anything. I was a GM for a different major MMO that shall not be named, and bot reports were a pain to verify. I had to go watch the accused for hours, and if it looked to me like a bot, I had to attempt to talk to them for another hour or so. If I still felt they were a bot, the case got forwarded to the security dept, who pulled logs etc to get further verification. Most bots will survive that, just by ringing a bell when you get a tell.
WoW couldn't beat botters, they had to sue the company that made the bots, and even then its still a problem there. If Blizzard couldn't do it, CCPs resources don't stand a chance.
TL;DR CCP can't beat bots, so we have to. Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
Sasha Azala
Blood and Decay
22
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Posted - 2012.02.15 12:55:00 -
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Tallian Saotome wrote:Its not lazy, its the number of man hours required for them to verify a bot. We can (and do)go hunting, and simply laugh at collateral damage telling people not to act so much like bots. If CCP does the same thing, they have huge drama on their hands, so they have to be sure before they do anything. I was a GM for a different major MMO that shall not be named, and bot reports were a pain to verify. I had to go watch the accused for hours, and if it looked to me like a bot, I had to attempt to talk to them for another hour or so. If I still felt they were a bot, the case got forwarded to the security dept, who pulled logs etc to get further verification. Most bots will survive that, just by ringing a bell when you get a tell.
WoW couldn't beat botters, they had to sue the company that made the bots, and even then its still a problem there. If Blizzard couldn't do it, CCPs resources don't stand a chance.
TL;DR CCP can't beat bots, so we have to.
CCP can't beat bots?
So you're part of the growing group of vigilantes and being a vigilante makes you feel special, I guess. Trouble with vigilantes is that they see themselves above the law (rules) and don't concern themselves with getting their facts right, they convieniently write it off as collateral damage when they get it wrong. Of course there's no rules being broken as you're acting vigilantes in a game, but it's still your reasoning I have doubts with especially as I wonder how much collateral damage you actually do.
If you were a GM you should know better.
I've seen a growing increase in such vigilantes, even bleeding into other MMOs that makes me wonder if such behaviour is being group organised and promoted from outside of the MMOs.
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Razzor Death
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
49
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Posted - 2012.02.15 12:55:00 -
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Vote Mittani and together we can rid the universe of bots. |
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Razzor Death
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
49
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Posted - 2012.02.15 13:00:00 -
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Sasha Azala wrote:So you're part of the growing group of vigilantes and being a vigilante makes you feel special
I have no idea what you're talking about but it sounded pretty gay |
Razzor Death
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
49
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Posted - 2012.02.15 13:03:00 -
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Lady Vella wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:The official Hulkageddon manager has disappeared since a while. Despite that, Goonswarm have formed a team dedicated to continued exhumers mass destruction that more than replaces Hulkageddon. In fact, while the original Hulkageddon was something for the "wanna be average Joe ganker" and its balance and prizes were adequate to that, Goonswarm have basically endless funding, quite the grip over a lot of content of the game (some markets, vast 0.0 areas...) and therefore can afford a true, never ending carpet bombing strategy (without discerning between bots and not bots). How do you feel about this? Good for the game, because it removes many bots? Bad because non bots are killed and podded as well? Good or bad because it sort of pushes ice mining more to 0.0? (if the carpet bombing keeps being as thorough as is now)? Good because more ships will be made? Bad because nobody in hi sec can defend from an endless funds huge alliance? This "different Hulkageddon" poses several philosophical and game design questions. If they perma-keep the carpet bomb runs (I hope so!), basically this will remove hi sec ice mining for good. I see it as one of those "exploits" that must be repeated till large playerbase enough quits and the developers wake up off their slumber. (not really exploit in the "illegal" sense of the term, they are fully entitled to this). Hi sec dwellers are too helpless and fragmented to ever form an effective "counter" and they are against a mammoth, not the usual "average Joe" tears fuelled suicide gankers. Also there's no real defense against an organization that can just bring N + 1 ships whatever buffs / tank you fit (and Macks are not known for their survivability at all). What tools does EvE give to counter / fight against this potentially (they have not confirmed or denied!) strong and continued initiative? I rewrite the hypothetical terms in short: 1) Unlimited funding for the operation. 2) Unlimited duration. 3) Unlimited and thorough belts carpet bombing. You can see the same players killed multiple times a day, there's no "recoup the losses by mining more" factor. First time it happens and if Goons are smart they will keep this pressure for months. Long term consequences of the above on the playerbase (in general)? 0.0 consequences / monopoly? (yes I am baiting you 0.0 haters!) Choices left to the hi sec miners since whatever they do, they will die? I find all of this quite intellectually amusing (am I slowing goonizing myself?) They do nothing but run less than 5-10 jumps of jita/amarr - stay away from there n ur fine, our old corp is a massive mining corp n they lost nothing. Goons as fucktards
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
274
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Posted - 2012.02.15 13:05:00 -
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Sasha Azala wrote: As you've not answered that yes or no question, I'll assume you don't.
You can't call for change if you don't even participate in that activity (health and safety does apply here) what gives you the right to ask for changes under that condition? You could argue but it might be more exciting and you would then mine, but the reality is it's never likely to be as exciting as combat can be. So the chances are you would not do it even if there were changes to it.
Hey, damn me for not spending my life hitting refresh on da interwebs and for having had a power outage lasted 2 hours!
I have mined more than you'll ever do in your life. I still have a mining subsidiary that can make billions a month.
Like 50% of my posts about markets analysis on Market Discussion are about isotopes. Does it ring a bell maybe?
Mara Rinn wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:You don't get it, do you?
You'll never make mining viable nor fun if not by making it impossible until the devs do something drastic. You don't get it, do you? The only people who want mining to be more fun are people who have never done it. Making mining more viable or fun is not going to stop bored Goons suicide ganking anything that moves or doesn't move, as the case may be.
Balls, I have mined in hi sec, low sec and even 0.0, in solo and in corp ops, with and without Orcas and Rorqual.
If mining was not so badly implemented to be undistinguishable from botting then it would attract less bots and would have dynamics that make people not alt tab to do something else.
If mining mechanics were not so obsolete then we'd have mechanisms for active protection. In low sec and 0.0 we'd have half a dozen guys camping the gates and eventually warning if something passed thru (they were corp ops). There's nothing like that in hi sec. What can a non bot miner do in hi sec, to avoid getting killed? The current mechanics certainly don't entice active piloting, the game tries to expand in cooperative gameplay (see incursions) and is PvP centered. What PvP (besides being popped) and cooperative gameplay is available to a miner beyond getting buffed by an Orca?
Only by having it brought under the spotlight could make CCP finally create a decent patch aimed at the old infrastructures.
Trading is in the same situation (but offtopic): bots, nauseating interface, tons-a-clicks-to-do-anything (hey invention too!), 1970 alike graphs and so on.
But since these features are not about ships pew pew they are left to rot forever. Until something like this happens. Maybe. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Sasha Azala
Blood and Decay
22
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Posted - 2012.02.15 13:20:00 -
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Razzor Death wrote:Sasha Azala wrote:So you're part of the growing group of vigilantes and being a vigilante makes you feel special I have no idea what you're talking about but it sounded pretty gay
Well, I don't actually know any gay people so I have no idea what they sounds like, in typed text. My guess is the same as anyone else.
Don't confuse considering others with being gay, that would not be exclusive to being gay.
Maybe you should consider others sometimes, or is that asking too much, or does the macho bs get in the way? |
Ohanka
The Lone Patrol Tactical Narcotics Team
13
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Posted - 2012.02.15 13:23:00 -
[35] - Quote
i've said it before and i'll say it again
Hulkageddon just damages the real miners, does nothing to the botter scum. |
Razzor Death
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
49
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Posted - 2012.02.15 13:32:00 -
[36] - Quote
Sasha Azala wrote:Razzor Death wrote:Sasha Azala wrote:So you're part of the growing group of vigilantes and being a vigilante makes you feel special I have no idea what you're talking about but it sounded pretty gay Well, I don't actually know any gay people so I have no idea what they sounds like, in typed text. My guess is the same as anyone else. Don't confuse considering others with being gay, that would not be exclusive to being gay. Maybe you should consider others sometimes, or is that asking too much, or does the macho bs get in the way?
Don't consider others ? the mighty Goonswarm Federation of the people is working tirelessly in the **** hole that is High Sec trying to make it a better place for man and woman and you demonise us ? in 5 days one single Corp has inflicted a fully fit titans worth of destruction against the hordes of EULA breakers.
What have you done for the people lately ? other than force people on eveo to have to read through your terrible posts of pointless drivel.
Vote Mittani for CSM, making the game a better place one less bot at a time. |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Industrial Complex Cosmic Consortium
952
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Posted - 2012.02.15 13:37:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:If mining mechanics were not so obsolete then we'd have mechanisms for active protection.
How do you actively protect anything in hisec?
No amount of remote repping can contend with the alpha of a few Tornadoes. You can't shoot first without losing your ship. You can't stop the other guy from shooting without losing your ship. The best you can do in hisec, to protect your highly valuable paper thin sessile spacecraft is to spam D-scan and warp out of the belt when you see non-mining ships on scan. Even paying that much attention to the game won't protect you from stealth bombers.
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Razzor Death
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
49
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Posted - 2012.02.15 13:41:00 -
[38] - Quote
Mara Rinn wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:If mining mechanics were not so obsolete then we'd have mechanisms for active protection. How do you actively protect anything in hisec? No amount of remote repping can contend with the alpha of a few Tornadoes. You can't shoot first without losing your ship. You can't stop the other guy from shooting without losing your ship. The best you can do in hisec, to protect your highly valuable paper thin sessile spacecraft is to spam D-scan and warp out of the belt when you see non-mining ships on scan. Even paying that much attention to the game won't protect you from stealth bombers.
hey hey hey now, are you suggesting that people can mine in saftey is they play the game ? |
Raneru
Euphoria Released 0ccupational Hazzard
30
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Posted - 2012.02.15 13:45:00 -
[39] - Quote
Mara Rinn wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:If mining mechanics were not so obsolete then we'd have mechanisms for active protection. How do you actively protect anything in hisec? No amount of remote repping can contend with the alpha of a few Tornadoes. You can't shoot first without losing your ship. You can't stop the other guy from shooting without losing your ship. The best you can do in hisec, to protect your highly valuable paper thin sessile spacecraft is to spam D-scan and warp out of the belt when you see non-mining ships on scan. Even paying that much attention to the game won't protect you from stealth bombers.
You could try mining gravimetric sites, that would offer a higher degree of safety. Not sure if any grav sites have ice though. |
Jenshae Chiroptera
437
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Posted - 2012.02.15 13:47:00 -
[40] - Quote
Razzor Death wrote:... hey hey hey now, are you suggesting that people can mine in saftey is they play the game ?
D-scan doesn't always save you in high sec. It can be filled with a lot of entries, missions can be run near belts or grav sites, so forth and so on.
Also, sitting there, pressing a button over and over again is the most demented way of expecting someone to "play" a game. Ideas & stuff EVE - the game of sand castles, either building them or kicking them down. -á Status: Taking a break |
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Razzor Death
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
49
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Posted - 2012.02.15 13:53:00 -
[41] - Quote
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Also, sitting there, pressing a button over and over again is the most demented way of expecting someone to "play" a game.
you high sec guys say the funniest of things |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
4924
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Posted - 2012.02.15 14:02:00 -
[42] - Quote
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:How do you feel about this? It's good because there is nothing bad about it. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
Sasha Azala
Blood and Decay
24
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Posted - 2012.02.15 14:09:00 -
[43] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:How do you feel about this? It's good because there is nothing bad about it.
Ok, what did you do with the real Tippia?
You used to be really active on the forums, now you just seem to be taking a bit of a back-seat.
These days your views are one sided in general to what they used to be (not necessarily this post but in general), or at least it seems that way.
Tippia was not sold to the Goons as a PR instrument was she? |
Cipher Jones
301
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Posted - 2012.02.15 14:16:00 -
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Jafit wrote:It's interesting how Moon mining and PI are other forms of resource gathering in this game introduced since belt mining, and they're passive in nature rather than requiring players to sit in a ship and shoot at something. I like to think that this is because CCP realised how bad mining gameplay is, but that probably isn't the reason.
As for bots, any activity that is boring and monotonous, and which requires no thought or creativity can and will be botted. This goes for mining, ratting, missions, and Jita 0.01 isk undercutting market PvP. Bots are a symptom of a bad game with boring gameplay. People complain about CCP not banning bots, instead you should complain about the gameplay, and make gameplay that requires human thought and creativity to play, then the bots will go away on their own.
Out of interest does anyone know of any bots that can do probing? If not then that's a step in the right direction.
I was going to like you post till I finished reading it.
Every single online game has bots, bar none.
Quote:Vote Mittani for CSM, making the game a better place one less bot at a time.
For every billion made by hisec mining bots 10 bil is made by nullsec ratting bots, whom goons have standing orders to not report.
See what happens when fat neckbeards try to ride little ponies? The ponies die. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
4924
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Posted - 2012.02.15 14:19:00 -
[45] - Quote
Sasha Azala wrote:Ok, what did you do with the real Tippia? You used to be really active on the forums, now you just seem to taking a bit of a back-seat. I'm trying to finish my thesisGǪ contrary to popular belief, this actually takes a bit of time away from things like EVE.
Quote:These days your views are one sided in general to what they used to be (not necessarily this post but in general), or at least it seems that way. Nah. They're the same-sided as they've always been (unless you count the first 3-4 months when I was still learning): they're still the views that highsec needs to be far more risky than it is and that players need to learn/be taught how to make use of the myriad of tools at their disposal to create their own security. This, more than anything short of a completely game-breaking removal of all threats, is the only way to actually make people as safe as they would like to be.
Additionally, these kinds of campaigns activate the market like few other things, and there is quite literally nothing that could even remotely be considered detrimental about that kind of activity. This game lives and dies by the amount of destruction that is going on, and the market activity that is generated by that destruction. It needs to be encouraged in every way possible GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
Cajunspitfire
CAJUN BAYOU INC. Opprimo Vox
2
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Posted - 2012.02.15 14:25:00 -
[46] - Quote
Death to all the strippers, er bots. It is obvious that there will be more botters due to the requirements from fuel cells. The prices have risen a lot over the past month and that wasn't due to Goonageddon. It was heading that way long before this. I sit in my ice belt and watch not two but three ice bots mining for 23/7 without recourse. How is it they get away with it. Good on the Goons and that sexy voice Mittens. Maybe he can bring balance to the force.
Vote Mittani for CSM . He has cookies |
Sasha Azala
Blood and Decay
24
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Posted - 2012.02.15 14:29:00 -
[47] - Quote
Cajunspitfire wrote:Death to all the strippers, er bots. It is obvious that there will be more botters due to the requirements from fuel cells. The prices have risen a lot over the past month and that wasn't due to Goonageddon. It was heading that way long before this. I sit in my ice belt and watch not two but three ice bots mining for 23/7 without recourse. How is it they get away with it. Good on the Goons and that sexy voice Mittens. Maybe he can bring balance to the force.
Vote Mittani for CSM . He has cookies
You actually watch them 23/7, I'm sure you did not literally mean that. |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
162
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Posted - 2012.02.15 15:15:00 -
[48] - Quote
Cipher Jones wrote:Jafit wrote:It's interesting how Moon mining and PI are other forms of resource gathering in this game introduced since belt mining, and they're passive in nature rather than requiring players to sit in a ship and shoot at something. I like to think that this is because CCP realised how bad mining gameplay is, but that probably isn't the reason.
As for bots, any activity that is boring and monotonous, and which requires no thought or creativity can and will be botted. This goes for mining, ratting, missions, and Jita 0.01 isk undercutting market PvP. Bots are a symptom of a bad game with boring gameplay. People complain about CCP not banning bots, instead you should complain about the gameplay, and make gameplay that requires human thought and creativity to play, then the bots will go away on their own.
Out of interest does anyone know of any bots that can do probing? If not then that's a step in the right direction. I was going to like you post till I finished reading it. Every single online game has bots, bar none. Quote:Vote Mittani for CSM, making the game a better place one less bot at a time. For every billion made by hisec mining bots 10 bil is made by nullsec ratting bots, whom goons have standing orders to not report.
vote for the mittani for pro-choice and higher mineral prices wis: a roman orgy of all-you-can-eat social /dance o7m8 dressup, unrestrained do ask do tell out and proud at the space bar dollhouse, all the evolving new and exciting things you've ever wanted.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
274
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Posted - 2012.02.15 15:28:00 -
[49] - Quote
Mara Rinn wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:If mining mechanics were not so obsolete then we'd have mechanisms for active protection. How do you actively protect anything in hisec? No amount of remote repping can contend with the alpha of a few Tornadoes. You can't shoot first without losing your ship. You can't stop the other guy from shooting without losing your ship. The best you can do in hisec, to protect your highly valuable paper thin sessile spacecraft is to spam D-scan and warp out of the belt when you see non-mining ships on scan. Even paying that much attention to the game won't protect you from stealth bombers.
I posted a suggestion in the past, about implementing the so called "guard mechanic" other MMOs got. Basically a non mining ship could actively protect the exhumer with a module that sends a protective barrier (lasts 20 secs, 10 mins cooldown maybe with stront usage, makes immune to scram only in hi sec) around it. If a gank boat attacks the mining ship, the damage goes 90% to the "tank" ship and 10% to the exhumer (numbers subject to be adapted to intended max survivable alpha) while Concord still does its job. The exhumer has those 20 secs to GTFO.
This gives a non afk tank AND a non AFK miner a chance to react and defend, without breaking ancient EvE mechanics all around.
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Razzor Death wrote:... hey hey hey now, are you suggesting that people can mine in saftey is they play the game ? D-scan doesn't always save you in high sec. It can be filled with a lot of entries, missions can be run near belts or grav sites, so forth and so on. Also, sitting there, pressing a button over and over again is the most demented way of expecting someone to "play" a game.
It might be demented but guess what you are forced to do when you leave hi sec and go PvE / mine etc. around?
Ofc D-scan whack-da-button is also something I'd love to see burn in a flame and replaced with something less cruel. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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NECROFIN
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.02.15 15:31:00 -
[50] - Quote
Everytime I see that last shiver of structure disappear from a caught Mack or a Hulk it just fills my blackened soul with such glee, oh my jesus satan god I'm gonna murder them ALL untill my wallet runs dry or my gonads explode!! (not likely with all the t2 salvage those wrecks yield!) aaaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!11 |
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Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
3120
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Posted - 2012.02.15 15:34:00 -
[51] - Quote
Cool the industrial and civie hp bump I suggested will happen.
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NECROFIN
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.02.15 15:41:00 -
[52] - Quote
You worthless meatbags, adapt or die!
Expecting CCP to fix the game to represent your own complete lack of effort and ability to play the game is so pathetic I just want to murder you bitches so hard (in game) its beyond words!
RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHH |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
573
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Posted - 2012.02.15 15:47:00 -
[53] - Quote
I thank everyone involved if this causes prices to raise, and my profits, as I will continue to mine when I feel like it.
Though my actual goal is to make gankers lose money by failing. I like ganker tears (yes, they exist). The isk is just a bonus.
And for the record, with a little bit of work you can be 99% safe in HS (percent made up for purpose of hyperbole). And it doesn't involve clicking dscan even once. |
doyilooki
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.02.15 15:58:00 -
[54] - Quote
I donGÇÖt do this for the tears, I do it for the security status.
If you think you have been killed/podded in error you should fill out the ship reimbursement forum.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/viewform?formkey=dFZzS0lTaXpSejVQb1AwTUhxQmFVNmc6MQ
The dispute payouts are done at the end of the weekly cycle. I also want to add that if you name the offending pilot/pilots they may soon get kicked as the directors are going crazy over the blatant disregard of the operations goal of bot hunting.
Vote The Mittani CSM!!!
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Zimmy Zeta
Battle Force Industries Tactical Invader Syndicate
830
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Posted - 2012.02.15 16:01:00 -
[55] - Quote
Cajunspitfire wrote:Death to all the strippers, er bots. It is obvious that there will be more botters due to the requirements from fuel cells. The prices have risen a lot over the past month and that wasn't due to Goonageddon. It was heading that way long before this. I sit in my ice belt and watch not two but three ice bots mining for 23/7 without recourse. How is it they get away with it. Good on the Goons and that sexy voice Mittens. Maybe he can bring balance to the force.
Vote Mittani for CSM . He has cookies
Although I welcome any kind of carnage because it makes me as a trader profit - have you ever considered that most of the miners mine afk and are thus sitting ducks for gankers while bots are quite clever nowadays and know when to GTFO? I fear your campaign will kill of all the human miners and will let only the bots survive. Not that I would care... just a thought... -.- |
oustade Habalu
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2012.02.15 16:14:00 -
[56] - Quote
Tippia wrote: It's good because there is nothing bad about it.
This...
Some capsulers will just write trash about Goons no matter what!!
This time around you have to admit, this is a good thing. |
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
2826
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Posted - 2012.02.15 16:19:00 -
[57] - Quote
You used the wrong article - it should be 'a', not 'an', as the 'h' is voiced.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
4927
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Posted - 2012.02.15 16:19:00 -
[58] - Quote
Zimmy Zeta wrote:have you ever considered that most of the miners mine afk and are thus sitting ducks for gankers while bots are quite clever nowadays and know when to GTFO? Of course they have.
That's why the blindingly obvious suggestion is to not mine AFK and why people crying about getting killed only gets laughed at. It's also why hulkageddon is a good thing: it teaches people safety behaviour (whether they choose to actually adopt it or not is a different questionGǪ). GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
Ehn Roh
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
25
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Posted - 2012.02.15 16:28:00 -
[59] - Quote
I approve of barge destruction if only because it might teach some people to pay attention. |
Zimmy Zeta
Battle Force Industries Tactical Invader Syndicate
831
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Posted - 2012.02.15 16:31:00 -
[60] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Zimmy Zeta wrote:have you ever considered that most of the miners mine afk and are thus sitting ducks for gankers while bots are quite clever nowadays and know when to GTFO? Of course they have. That's why the blindingly obvious suggestion is to not mine AFK and why people crying about getting killed only gets laughed at. It's also why hulkageddon is a good thing: it teaches people safety behaviour (whether they choose to actually adopt it or not is a different questionGǪ).
Yes Hulkageddon IS a good thing, and I really do not care if I sell my strip miners to humans or to bots... BUT: Most dedicated miners I have met are multiboxing, mostly afk or at least semi-afk. I don't think that it is easy to watch many different barges all the time. So mining while not afk and being aware of your surrounding would most likely mean that a miner cannot field 5-6 characters, but only 2 or 3, maybe even only one. So they would lose money. Money is the only thing that drives a miner, easy afk money. So if they couldn't get this money anymore- they would not change their playstyle, they would just use bots instead.
-.- |
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March rabbit
Ganse Shadow of xXDEATHXx
124
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Posted - 2012.02.15 16:34:00 -
[61] - Quote
the first (and the last) question is: how long can this hulkageddon last?
Yes. Goons kill miners for like some months already. But "unlimited duration"??? Do you think suicide ganking can be fun enough to do it for real long time? Maybe old goons will leave and new ones join party.... But i'm pretty sure after some time all this "geddon" will loose its size.
Other option can be: suicide ganking bot |
Skorpynekomimi
E.A.D Alliance Omega Vector
114
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Posted - 2012.02.15 16:36:00 -
[62] - Quote
- I am not a bot. Just thought I'd get it out of the way first. Disregard the goggles; they do nothing anyway.
- Meh, I don't mine in caldari space anyway.
- Highsec isn't as safe as people make it out to be anyway. Nothing stops you being ganked, it just stops you being ganked SO EASILY.
- I'm seriously reconsidering whether I want to keep flying that damn hulk. It's expensive and spends a lot of time docked because I don't have 250mil kicking around spare to replace it. Or 75mil to insure it. Seriously tempted to just switch to covetors instead.
- Suicide ganking, you say? Okay, I'll bite. I'll pick up some blueprints over the weekend, and see if I can't cut a profit off this. - - Suicide ganking OF EXHUMERS, you say? Would you mind abandoning the wrecks before creating more of them? T2 salvage, the ore and ice from their holds, your concord-ed gankfits... - - - Duck it. Even if you DO turn me into a cloud of vapour for ninja salvaging your wrecks, it'll probably be worth it for the stuff I do manage to yank. Have fun distinguishing my gscs of loot from their ore/ice cans.
- I may get in on some of this ganking myself. Too many miners around, too much competition. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
4930
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Posted - 2012.02.15 16:38:00 -
[63] - Quote
Zimmy Zeta wrote:Most dedicated miners I have met are multiboxing, mostly afk or at least semi-afk.I don't think that it is easy to watch many different barges all the time. So mining while not afk and being aware of your surrounding would most likely mean that a miner cannot field 5-6 characters, but only 2 or 3, maybe even only one. That's their problem and they have no-one else to blame when they get ganked.
Quote:So they would lose money. Money is the only thing that drives a miner, easy afk money. So if they couldn't get this money anymore- they would not change their playstyle, they would just use bots instead. Or they could admit that they are worthless people who should just sod off and have a few freak boating accidents instead. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
Zimmy Zeta
Battle Force Industries Tactical Invader Syndicate
831
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Posted - 2012.02.15 16:40:00 -
[64] - Quote
Tippia wrote:.......Or they could admit that they are worthless people who should just sod off and have a few freak boating accidents instead.
I like you.
-.- |
Jafit
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
19
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Posted - 2012.02.15 16:48:00 -
[65] - Quote
Cipher Jones wrote:Jafit wrote:It's interesting how Moon mining and PI are other forms of resource gathering in this game introduced since belt mining, and they're passive in nature rather than requiring players to sit in a ship and shoot at something. I like to think that this is because CCP realised how bad mining gameplay is, but that probably isn't the reason.
As for bots, any activity that is boring and monotonous, and which requires no thought or creativity can and will be botted. This goes for mining, ratting, missions, and Jita 0.01 isk undercutting market PvP. Bots are a symptom of a bad game with boring gameplay. People complain about CCP not banning bots, instead you should complain about the gameplay, and make gameplay that requires human thought and creativity to play, then the bots will go away on their own.
Out of interest does anyone know of any bots that can do probing? If not then that's a step in the right direction. I was going to like you post till I finished reading it. Every single online game has bots, bar none.
So, are you saying that because other MMOs have bots that we should just accept our boring repetitive gameplay and the bots that come with it? If so your opinion is invalid. |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
573
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Posted - 2012.02.15 16:53:00 -
[66] - Quote
Jafit wrote:Cipher Jones wrote:Jafit wrote:It's interesting how Moon mining and PI are other forms of resource gathering in this game introduced since belt mining, and they're passive in nature rather than requiring players to sit in a ship and shoot at something. I like to think that this is because CCP realised how bad mining gameplay is, but that probably isn't the reason.
As for bots, any activity that is boring and monotonous, and which requires no thought or creativity can and will be botted. This goes for mining, ratting, missions, and Jita 0.01 isk undercutting market PvP. Bots are a symptom of a bad game with boring gameplay. People complain about CCP not banning bots, instead you should complain about the gameplay, and make gameplay that requires human thought and creativity to play, then the bots will go away on their own.
Out of interest does anyone know of any bots that can do probing? If not then that's a step in the right direction. I was going to like you post till I finished reading it. Every single online game has bots, bar none. So, are you saying that because other MMOs have bots that we should just accept our boring repetitive gameplay and the bots that come with it? If so your opinion is invalid. I think he is saying your premise is false as non repetitive games have bots.
And yes, probing can be botted. Or so the bot sellers say. I don't plan on trying any to find out. |
Valei Khurelem
326
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Posted - 2012.02.15 16:59:00 -
[67] - Quote
Quote:t's interesting how Moon mining and PI are other forms of resource gathering in this game introduced since belt mining, and they're passive in nature rather than requiring players to sit in a ship and shoot at something.
For crying out loud, I've done PI before and I got more bored of it than mining, it isn't passive, in fact I would say it's actually MORE tedious and boring than mining is, in mining once you stop, you've said to the game, no I'm going to log now, but with PI it's awful. It wouldn't be so bad if you could automate every process but with PI you have to set up your extractor and transfer each material you're manufacturing to your basic factory and that takes 2 - 3 minutes each time. Worse still you can't increase the quantity you transfer because the factory only takes 10 units each time so you have to log in each time while you wait for the factory to repeat the whole process again. You can't queue the process or automate it.
CCP seem dead set on keeping this game an unnecessary and tedious click fest, how long did it take for them to put a jump button in the overview panel that let actual players warp to 0 and immediately jump through a stargate? Several Years? I'm not sticking around again this time to wait and see them do something new or try to fix the problems in this game.
I've subscribed to this game every now and then I can tell you and the progress I have seen from CCP is like watching european countries fix their economies, no one wants to do anything and they're desperately trying to shift the blame from person to person because they want everything to stay the same, when really the only people they can blame is themselves for ******* everything up.
I say put your money with the small independent developers folks, they'll actually try and keep you as customers because they need the business.
"don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP." -á - CCP Ytterbium |
Skorpynekomimi
E.A.D Alliance Omega Vector
114
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Posted - 2012.02.15 17:09:00 -
[68] - Quote
Also. It won't last. The ice interdiction didn't last. People get bored and want to go back to shooting things that actually fight back. No funding is unlimited. Sov bills have to be paid.
So, it's not 'will it last'. It's 'how long will it last', and 'will the motivation or the ISK or the targets run out first'. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
728
|
Posted - 2012.02.15 17:15:00 -
[69] - Quote
Is it that time already?
Guess I better blow the dust of my miner and pull him out of mothballs for another fun filled ganker cryfest.
As for the little bee earlier jackin off over denial of a Titan's worth of minerals denied...
So what? That's prolly less than 1% of the minerals mined in a day in EVE. Christ you people can be dumb. Nothing will put a dent in the mineral market.
Sure, gank some newbs. Have your little circle jerk about it in C&P. But don't pretend it's going to make one bit of difference in the long run.
Mr Epeen Me too!-á I ate one sour, too! |
Razzor Death
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
51
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Posted - 2012.02.15 17:57:00 -
[70] - Quote
Mr Epeen wrote:Is it that time already? Guess I better blow the dust of my miner and pull him out of mothballs for another fun filled ganker cryfest. As for the little bee earlier jackin off over denial of a Titan's worth of minerals denied... So what? That's prolly less than 1% of the minerals mined in a day in EVE. Christ you people can be dumb. Nothing will put a dent in the mineral market. Sure, gank some newbs. Have your little circle jerk about it in C&P. But don't pretend it's going to make one bit of difference in the long run. Mr Epeen
hahaha look at this nerd |
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
2952
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Posted - 2012.02.15 18:04:00 -
[71] - Quote
Zimmy Zeta wrote:Cajunspitfire wrote:Death to all the strippers, er bots. It is obvious that there will be more botters due to the requirements from fuel cells. The prices have risen a lot over the past month and that wasn't due to Goonageddon. It was heading that way long before this. I sit in my ice belt and watch not two but three ice bots mining for 23/7 without recourse. How is it they get away with it. Good on the Goons and that sexy voice Mittens. Maybe he can bring balance to the force.
Vote Mittani for CSM . He has cookies Although I welcome any kind of carnage because it makes me as a trader profit - have you ever considered that most of the miners mine afk and are thus sitting ducks for gankers while bots are quite clever nowadays and know when to GTFO? I fear your campaign will kill off all the human miners and will let only the bots survive. Not that I would care... just a thought...
You're asking for sympathy for people who play EVE so badly that they can't outfly a bot script? Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Xolve
The Suicide Kings Test Alliance Please Ignore
890
|
Posted - 2012.02.15 18:13:00 -
[72] - Quote
Highsec Publords still sperging about the 'Ice Interdiction' that ended in December... whatever is left, is just for funsies.
Some Pubbie wrote:People get bored and want to go back to shooting things that actually fight back
Actually it was used to make a few billion ISK, because we could. Inappropriate signature removed. Navigator. |
Razzor Death
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
51
|
Posted - 2012.02.15 18:20:00 -
[73] - Quote
Mr Epeen wrote:Is it that time already? Guess I better blow the dust of my miner and pull him out of mothballs for another fun filled ganker cryfest. As for the little bee earlier jackin off over denial of a Titan's worth of minerals denied... So what? That's prolly less than 1% of the minerals mined in a day in EVE. Christ you people can be dumb. Nothing will put a dent in the mineral market. Sure, gank some newbs. Have your little circle jerk about it in C&P. But don't pretend it's going to make one bit of difference in the long run. Mr Epeen
no really just look at it hahahaha |
Zimmy Zeta
Battle Force Industries Tactical Invader Syndicate
831
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Posted - 2012.02.15 18:33:00 -
[74] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:
You're asking for sympathy for people who play EVE so badly that they can't outfly a bot script?
No, I am not asking for sympathy for them. I have none myself. I just wanted to remind people that their masterplan of "reducing bot population" might terribly backfire. But I guess those people have put me on ignore already, so don't mind me....just babbling incoherently..... ....
-.- |
Te'bral
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
|
Posted - 2012.02.15 18:39:00 -
[75] - Quote
Khan Farshatok wrote:first as the initiator and main "organizer" of what is going on, let me be blunt. this is in no way shape or form any sort of hulkaggedon. this is quite simply me being bored and my corp joining in for the lol's. as for us not being in it for the tears, you really dont know goons :D if for some reason though you heppened to be popped, podded and laughed at during our little run of tear gathering, then please feel free to fill out our "im not a bot" reimbursement form. because we really only wanted to kill da bots. :D love, horses and ponies khan
Please excuse my ignorance, but what are people considering "bots"?
i see on your form, it asks to explain why you are not a bot....
I am sure there are more people wondering the same thing. |
Xolve
The Suicide Kings Test Alliance Please Ignore
890
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Posted - 2012.02.15 18:44:00 -
[76] - Quote
Te'bral wrote:
Please excuse my ignorance, but what are people considering "bots"?
i see on your form, it asks to explain why you are not a bot....
I am sure there are more people wondering the same thing.
GET OUT GREY FACE!
Inappropriate signature removed. Navigator. |
Borun Tal
Cubicle Warriors from 'merica
44
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Posted - 2012.02.15 18:48:00 -
[77] - Quote
The whole idea of HG has been effectively crapped on by you-know-who. It's nothing more than just another corp ganking miners now.
Good job. |
baltec1
616
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Posted - 2012.02.15 18:51:00 -
[78] - Quote
Te'bral wrote:Khan Farshatok wrote:first as the initiator and main "organizer" of what is going on, let me be blunt. this is in no way shape or form any sort of hulkaggedon. this is quite simply me being bored and my corp joining in for the lol's. as for us not being in it for the tears, you really dont know goons :D if for some reason though you heppened to be popped, podded and laughed at during our little run of tear gathering, then please feel free to fill out our "im not a bot" reimbursement form. because we really only wanted to kill da bots. :D love, horses and ponies khan Please excuse my ignorance, but what are people considering "bots"? i see on your form, it asks to explain why you are not a bot.... I am sure there are more people wondering the same thing.
You tell us. |
Something Random
The Barrow Boys
126
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Posted - 2012.02.15 18:54:00 -
[79] - Quote
To the OP.
Its awesome. Its like being at war but not being war decced. In fact its like 0.0 except the aggressors lose the ship by proxy.
Now if you mine you gotta watch local, you gotta know local, you gotta watch for local spikes and the denizens that made it spike.
You gotta be ready to go.
You gotts be ready.
This, every sentence of it, IS GOOD
"caught on fire a little bit, just a little." "Delinquents, check, weirdos, check, hippies, check, pillheads, check, freaks, check, potheads, check .....gangsn++ all here!" |
FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks Petition Blizzard
980
|
Posted - 2012.02.15 19:00:00 -
[80] - Quote
I doubt this will curb bot use. The people running the bots will relocate them if it becomes a problem. Not even goonswarm has the muscle to put pressure on every ice field at once. That said, welcome to Caldari space. Maybe I'll see you in Kamio. If so, it should be amusing.
Also, Mittens needs to arrange for the ganking of mission bots. The ships and potential loot can be much more valuable and he's previously stated that he considers it to be a larger source of inflation than incursions. I fully support any effort to close off the isk faucet. |
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Te'bral
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.02.15 19:06:00 -
[81] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:Te'bral wrote:Khan Farshatok wrote:first as the initiator and main "organizer" of what is going on, let me be blunt. this is in no way shape or form any sort of hulkaggedon. this is quite simply me being bored and my corp joining in for the lol's. as for us not being in it for the tears, you really dont know goons :D if for some reason though you heppened to be popped, podded and laughed at during our little run of tear gathering, then please feel free to fill out our "im not a bot" reimbursement form. because we really only wanted to kill da bots. :D love, horses and ponies khan Please excuse my ignorance, but what are people considering "bots"? i see on your form, it asks to explain why you are not a bot.... I am sure there are more people wondering the same thing. You tell us.
I have no idea.... that is why I am asking..
I mean, if you dont want to tell me what a bot is that is fine, but i would think if the purpose of this is to get rid of bots then it would be a good idea to define what that is, especially if you want people to explain why they are not bots..
i am just curious. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
728
|
Posted - 2012.02.15 19:08:00 -
[82] - Quote
Razzor Death wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:Is it that time already? Guess I better blow the dust of my miner and pull him out of mothballs for another fun filled ganker cryfest. As for the little bee earlier jackin off over denial of a Titan's worth of minerals denied... So what? That's prolly less than 1% of the minerals mined in a day in EVE. Christ you people can be dumb. Nothing will put a dent in the mineral market. Sure, gank some newbs. Have your little circle jerk about it in C&P. But don't pretend it's going to make one bit of difference in the long run. Mr Epeen hahaha look at this nerd
No capitals.
Must be hard to type with one hand on the keyboard and the other furiously pulling your pud. Try naked women. It's a little less creepy.
Mr Epeen
Me too!-á I ate one sour, too! |
Stonecrusher Mortlock
University of Caille Gallente Federation
20
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Posted - 2012.02.15 19:13:00 -
[83] - Quote
i see this lasting about as long as the ice thing did before they get bored and move on to booster interdiction or maybe PI interdiction who knows... |
Skorpynekomimi
E.A.D Alliance Omega Vector
114
|
Posted - 2012.02.15 19:17:00 -
[84] - Quote
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:Also, Mittens needs to arrange for the ganking of mission bots. The ships and potential loot can be much more valuable and he's previously stated that he considers it to be a larger source of inflation than incursions. I fully support any effort to close off the isk faucet.
That would require skill and effort beyond 'arrive at belt, target ship, fire, die, board next ship, repeat'. Scan down missioner, determine tank, gank, shut off stream of abuse from a mission runner who wasn't a bot, repeat until you find someone that IS a bot. |
baltec1
616
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Posted - 2012.02.15 19:22:00 -
[85] - Quote
Skorpynekomimi wrote:FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:Also, Mittens needs to arrange for the ganking of mission bots. The ships and potential loot can be much more valuable and he's previously stated that he considers it to be a larger source of inflation than incursions. I fully support any effort to close off the isk faucet. That would require skill and effort beyond 'arrive at belt, target ship, fire, die, board next ship, repeat'. Scan down missioner, determine tank, gank, shut off stream of abuse from a mission runner who wasn't a bot, repeat until you find someone that IS a bot.
Yep, it would require us to camp stations and blap them whe they undock |
Khan Farshatok
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
2
|
Posted - 2012.02.15 19:45:00 -
[86] - Quote
March rabbit wrote:the first (and the last) question is: how long can this hulkageddon last? Yes. Goons kill miners for like some months already. But "unlimited duration"??? Do you think suicide ganking can be fun enough to do it for real long time? Maybe old goons will leave and new ones join party.... But i'm pretty sure after some time all this "geddon" will loose its size. Other option can be: suicide ganking bot
I LOVE THE GANKING BOT IDEA!!! |
Khan Farshatok
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
2
|
Posted - 2012.02.15 19:51:00 -
[87] - Quote
Skorpynekomimi wrote:Also. It won't last. The ice interdiction didn't last. People get bored and want to go back to shooting things that actually fight back. No funding is unlimited. Sov bills have to be paid.
So, it's not 'will it last'. It's 'how long will it last', and 'will the motivation or the ISK or the targets run out first'.
if your wallet is as deep as mine then yes, yes it is.
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Nephilius
Grey Legionaires
315
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Posted - 2012.02.15 19:52:00 -
[88] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Zimmy Zeta wrote:Most dedicated miners I have met are multiboxing, mostly afk or at least semi-afk.I don't think that it is easy to watch many different barges all the time. So mining while not afk and being aware of your surrounding would most likely mean that a miner cannot field 5-6 characters, but only 2 or 3, maybe even only one. That's their problem and they have no-one else to blame when they get ganked. Quote:So they would lose money. Money is the only thing that drives a miner, easy afk money. So if they couldn't get this money anymore- they would not change their playstyle, they would just use bots instead. Or they could admit that they are worthless people who should just sod off and have a few freak boating accidents instead.
Wow Tip, that's a whole lot of venomous bile from you. Usually you seem to have your head on straighter that this. Guess that thesis is taking an emotional toll on you.
But it really does illustrate a good point about this community these days. An us versus them mentality, measuring a person's based on their activities, delegating others to an eventual fate of working in a camp somewhere. Well, at least not in the literal sense, but there is definitely a overblown sense of superiority at work here.
I am happy that hisec ganking can occur, its fitting in the whole mythos of New Eden being a violent and unstable place. But I also think that people are allowing themselves to be brainwashed as well. I know that its in fashion to go along with the crowd, hoping to reap some approval from what one considers their betters. It's sycophantic behavior though, and that really does saddened me. It signals, to me, the loss of independent thought, creativity, and diversity...all once cornerstones of this game.
I'm pretty much to the point that every group can sod off. For me, its not the perpetual illusions created by people, or the vast conspiracy theories (among the biggest is that hisec is safe) or who is botting and who isn't and who is better than who. I honestly just don't really care anymore. All that really matters to me is the game, which is more than I can say for some who play it. I know that there will come a time when the game gets broken, whether through player action, or the lack of maintenance and refusal to enforce the rules by the makers of the game. It is inevitable. It will happen. And that will be a pretty sad day for those who can see it when it comes. To stand before a man at an inquisition, knowing that he will rejoice when we die, knowing that he will commit us to the stake and its horrors without a moment's hesitation or remorse if we do not satisfy him, is not an experience much less cruel because our inquisitor does not whip us or rack us or shout at us. |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
274
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Posted - 2012.02.15 19:52:00 -
[89] - Quote
Skorpynekomimi wrote: That would require skill and effort beyond 'arrive at belt, target ship, fire, die, board next ship, repeat'. Scan down missioner, determine tank, gank, shut off stream of abuse from a mission runner who wasn't a bot, repeat until you find someone that IS a bot.
Have you tried? It's actually very funny. They bark like you violated their sister if not worse. Some even go mad just at tickling teh phat lewt of theirs.
March rabbit wrote:Khan Farshatok wrote:Other option can be: suicide ganking bot I LOVE THE GANKING BOT IDEA!!!
From PvP to BvB (Bot vs Bot).
Speaks volume about how intense and smart EvE game play is. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
Twitter channel |
Razzor Death
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
51
|
Posted - 2012.02.15 19:56:00 -
[90] - Quote
Mr Epeen wrote:No capitals. Must be hard to type with one hand on the keyboard and the other furiously pulling your pud. Try naked women. It's a little less creepy. Mr Epeen
do another one of your high sec tuff guy role play posts |
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Khan Farshatok
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
2
|
Posted - 2012.02.15 20:02:00 -
[91] - Quote
Mr Epeen wrote:[quote=Razzor Death][quote=Mr Epeen] Must be hard to type with one hand on the keyboard and the other furiously pulling your pud. Try naked women. It's a little less creepy. Mr Epeen
the fact that you think that naked women is even a little creepy lets us know all we need to know about you. |
arcca jeth
Dark Alliance Dark Empire Alliance
71
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Posted - 2012.02.15 20:05:00 -
[92] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Zimmy Zeta wrote:Most dedicated miners I have met are multiboxing, mostly afk or at least semi-afk.I don't think that it is easy to watch many different barges all the time. So mining while not afk and being aware of your surrounding would most likely mean that a miner cannot field 5-6 characters, but only 2 or 3, maybe even only one. That's their problem and they have no-one else to blame when they get ganked. Quote:So they would lose money. Money is the only thing that drives a miner, easy afk money. So if they couldn't get this money anymore- they would not change their playstyle, they would just use bots instead. Or they could admit that they are worthless people who should just sod off and have a few freak boating accidents instead.
get off it already. people who are into industry are not worthless people. they enjoy harvesting resources and building stuff just like in any other game, except in EVE, it's unappreciated by the very same people who buy your products. THEN some try to use them to destroy you and make your game a little more difficult while you are trying to support the in game economy.
And what is your driver in the game? do you survive and play with NO ISK? how do YOU fund your ship and fit purchases? donations? Mining is just another way to make money in this game. it is not the "crafters" fault that EVE is so easily botable AND mining is not the only easy isk faucet. Ratting is botable and incursions in a large well setup gang requires not a whole lot of your attention and the payouts are much better. There are lots of ways to make easy isk and easier ways to make AFK ISK. If easy isk is your argument, then go ahead and remove research agents, planetary interaction and moon mining.....
"Money is the only thing that drives a miner, easy afk money" this is your opinion. so would you advocate the removal of R&D agents? PI? Moon mining? Incursions? RATS? Missions? Anything that doesnt require 100% of your attention to play?
give me an f'n break lol
my experience in mining has been somewhat enjoyable but it was only after i was running 3 hulks and an orca on one PC through 4 monitors that it actually became a bit more entertaining. reason being is that roids deplete much quicker and keeping the lasers going is much more of an attention keeper.
I don't support the use of bots but here we are again where people trash talk others because they enjoy an aspect of the game that YOU do not.
TL;DR? get over it, and yourself |
Khan Farshatok
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
2
|
Posted - 2012.02.15 20:10:00 -
[93] - Quote
arcca jeth wrote:Tippia wrote:Zimmy Zeta wrote:Most dedicated miners I have met are multiboxing, mostly afk or at least semi-afk.I don't think that it is easy to watch many different barges all the time. So mining while not afk and being aware of your surrounding would most likely mean that a miner cannot field 5-6 characters, but only 2 or 3, maybe even only one. That's their problem and they have no-one else to blame when they get ganked. Quote:So they would lose money. Money is the only thing that drives a miner, easy afk money. So if they couldn't get this money anymore- they would not change their playstyle, they would just use bots instead. Or they could admit that they are worthless people who should just sod off and have a few freak boating accidents instead. get off it already. people who are into industry are not worthless people. they enjoy harvesting resources and building stuff just like in any other game, except in EVE, it's unappreciated by the very same people who buy your products.
i stopped reading there. stop being a pubbie and go to nullsec. when there are no longer easy target in high sec then i will go back out to 0.0 |
arcca jeth
Dark Alliance Dark Empire Alliance
71
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Posted - 2012.02.15 20:19:00 -
[94] - Quote
lol i find it ironic that you are calling me a pubbie and telling me to go out to Null where I do play (showing you don't know squat about me just because i occasionally like to mine) when YOU are in a huge nullsec alliance with SOV hanging out in high sec, probably more than I do infact. just because you are in Goons doesn't make you leet bud. i actually fly in YOUR SPACE idiot lmao |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
573
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Posted - 2012.02.15 20:25:00 -
[95] - Quote
I don't hate miners...
I just hate anyone (miners usually) who whines when they got blown up because they couldn't be bothered to try to play the game.
Want it easy, expect to be an easy target.
Anyway, that is why I support this service.
Along with the entertaining ganker tears when they fail to kill me. |
Zimmy Zeta
Battle Force Industries Tactical Invader Syndicate
832
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Posted - 2012.02.15 20:25:00 -
[96] - Quote
Ok, now you have been mixing up my points that were quoted by Tippia with his points, that were meant to refute mine.
As far as my points are concerned:
- I am an industrialist myself, I do invention, manufacturing and trading, and yes, I like the concept of economic warfare and completely dominating and cornering a specific market. Good stuff.
- Remove R/D Agents for all I care. I do inventions a lot, and there is no possible way to create all those datacores myself, so I am used to buying them of the markets already.
- I just recently met what I would call "hardcore miners". A whole bunch of them, people that I have never encountered before in Eve. People that multibox with 9 accounts, mining veldspar in highsec while being afk and playing Skyrim or WoW. This sounds like a cliche, but they exist. I have nothing personal against those guys, they are well mannered and polite people. But in my understanding they do not play the game (Eve, I am talking about Eve) . Playing Skyrim or WoW is NOT playing Eve online. They do not deserve to be protected from ganks. You want to achieve something in a game? Then play it. But expecting to be good in a game that you do not actively play is just all kinds of wrong.
-.- |
Velicitia
Open Designs
627
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Posted - 2012.02.15 20:28:00 -
[97] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Zimmy Zeta wrote:Most dedicated miners I have met are multiboxing, mostly afk or at least semi-afk.I don't think that it is easy to watch many different barges all the time. So mining while not afk and being aware of your surrounding would most likely mean that a miner cannot field 5-6 characters, but only 2 or 3, maybe even only one. That's their problem and they have no-one else to blame when they get ganked. Quote:So they would lose money. Money is the only thing that drives a miner, easy afk money. So if they couldn't get this money anymore- they would not change their playstyle, they would just use bots instead. Or they could admit that they are worthless people who should just sod off and have a few freak boating accidents instead.
can they have their freak boating accidents AFTER they bring trit back to a reasonable price? Thanks.
@arcca --> Tippia has a point though. Miners (generally) min/max their boats to an extreme degree in favour of most m3/cycle, and then complain that they're too defenceless in the face of 8x 1400s. Couple that with the "entitlement" attitude that many seem to have, and you'll quickly start to see why there's a lot of vitriol directed in their direction.
I used to be in the "they shouldn't be allowed to violence me, I just want to mine" crowd ... then after working with some lowsec (and nullsec) types, things just clicked, and the ideas of why people SHOULD be allowed to suicide-gank me (or anyone, for that matter) finally made sense. |
Leeroy McJenkins
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
46
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Posted - 2012.02.15 20:29:00 -
[98] - Quote
arcca jeth wrote:lol i find it ironic that you are calling me a pubbie and telling me to go out to Null where I do play (showing you don't know squat about me just because i occasionally like to mine) when YOU are in a huge nullsec alliance with SOV hanging out in high sec, probably more than I do infact. just because you are in Goons doesn't make you leet bud. i actually fly in YOUR SPACE idiot lmao
This appears to be working out extremely well for you, pubbie. The Official Non-Official Goonswarm Federation |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
728
|
Posted - 2012.02.15 20:50:00 -
[99] - Quote
Razzor Death wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:No capitals. Must be hard to type with one hand on the keyboard and the other furiously pulling your pud. Try naked women. It's a little less creepy. Mr Epeen do another one of your high sec tuff guy role play posts
Khan Farshatok wrote:
the fact that you think that naked women is even a little creepy lets us know all we need to know about you.
Little bees usually just multipost with the same character. You must be new.
Still a nobody who's opinion counts for ****, no matter who you post with, though.
Mr Epeen
Me too!-á I ate one sour, too! |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
4931
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Posted - 2012.02.15 20:52:00 -
[100] - Quote
Nephilius wrote:But it really does illustrate a good point about this community these days. An us versus them mentality, measuring a person's based on their activities, delegating others to an eventual fate of working in a camp somewhere. Well, at least not in the literal sense, but there is definitely a overblown sense of superiority at work here. Yeah, no.
It illustrates that anyone who would rather turn to botting than learn how to play the game is an idiot and a piece of scum and the more of them gets bullied into leaving the game and then accidentally falling down a manhole, the better. It has nothing to do with activities GÇö it has to do with them being a bunch of cheating assholes.
Miners are not a problem. Miners who think they should be protected for absolutely no reason are something of a problem (especially if what they need to be protected against is themselves). Miners who use bots are a huge issue. Don't confuse the three.
arcca jeth wrote:get off it already. people who are into industry are not worthless people. How about you learn to read instead? When you do, you'll notice that no-one said people who are into industry is worthless. In fact, people who are into industry are quite valuable.
People who refuse to adapt to the game they've chosen to play; people who whine about everyone and everything but themselves and the errors they make, when it's those own errors who get them killed; people who refuse to learn even the most obvious and simple lesson; people who use bots GÇö those are the ones who are worthless for the simple reason that they add exactly zero worth to the game. In fact, they do quite the opposite: they quite often rob the game of the value it would have without their worthless presence.
Quote:"Money is the only thing that drives a miner, easy afk money" this is your opinion. No it's not. Learn to read.
Quote:I don't support the use of bots Yes well, guess what. Your failure to read, and the response you've written as a result of this failure, actually mean that you do. It might not have been your intent, but that's what happened.
TL;DR? Learn to read.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
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Cipher Jones
301
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Posted - 2012.02.15 20:56:00 -
[101] - Quote
Jafit wrote:Cipher Jones wrote:Jafit wrote:It's interesting how Moon mining and PI are other forms of resource gathering in this game introduced since belt mining, and they're passive in nature rather than requiring players to sit in a ship and shoot at something. I like to think that this is because CCP realised how bad mining gameplay is, but that probably isn't the reason.
As for bots, any activity that is boring and monotonous, and which requires no thought or creativity can and will be botted. This goes for mining, ratting, missions, and Jita 0.01 isk undercutting market PvP. Bots are a symptom of a bad game with boring gameplay. People complain about CCP not banning bots, instead you should complain about the gameplay, and make gameplay that requires human thought and creativity to play, then the bots will go away on their own.
Out of interest does anyone know of any bots that can do probing? If not then that's a step in the right direction. I was going to like you post till I finished reading it. Every single online game has bots, bar none. So, are you saying that because other MMOs have bots that we should just accept our boring repetitive gameplay and the bots that come with it? If so your opinion is invalid.
I am clearly saying your conclusion that "Bots are a symptom of a bad game with boring gameplay" would also mean that every single MMO is a bad game with boring gameplay.
See what happens when fat neckbeards try to ride little ponies? The ponies die. |
arcca jeth
Dark Alliance Dark Empire Alliance
73
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Posted - 2012.02.15 20:56:00 -
[102] - Quote
Zimmy Zeta wrote:Ok, now you have been mixing up my points that were quoted by Tippia with his points, that were meant to refute mine. As far as my points are concerned: - I am an industrialist myself, I do invention, manufacturing and trading, and yes, I like the concept of economic warfare and completely dominating and cornering a specific market. Good stuff. - Remove R/D Agents for all I care. I do inventions a lot, and there is no possible way to create all those datacores myself, so I am used to buying them of the markets already. - I just recently met what I would call "hardcore miners". A whole bunch of them, people that I have never encountered before in Eve. People that multibox with 9 accounts, mining veldspar in highsec while being afk and playing Skyrim or WoW. This sounds like a cliche, but they exist. I have nothing personal against those guys, they are well mannered and polite people. But in my understanding they do not play the game (Eve, I am talking about Eve) . Playing Skyrim or WoW is NOT playing Eve online. They do not deserve to be protected from ganks. You want to achieve something in a game? Then play it.But expecting to be good in a game that you do not actively play is just all kinds of wrong.
I agree completely, sorry for the all inclusive quote. it was more a reaction to Tippia who usually does not resort to the sort of behavior that she/he has expressed by calling miners worthless people. sorry again. |
arcca jeth
Dark Alliance Dark Empire Alliance
73
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Posted - 2012.02.15 21:03:00 -
[103] - Quote
Leeroy McJenkins wrote:arcca jeth wrote:lol i find it ironic that you are calling me a pubbie and telling me to go out to Null where I do play (showing you don't know squat about me just because i occasionally like to mine) when YOU are in a huge nullsec alliance with SOV hanging out in high sec, probably more than I do infact. just because you are in Goons doesn't make you leet bud. i actually fly in YOUR SPACE idiot lmao This appears to be working out extremely well for you, pubbie.
yah and? so i lose some recons? big woop, you just proved my point that I fly in your space. Sorry that I am not a neckbeard KB *****? and sorry that i don't have 1000+ SOV holding alliance? and who doesn't lose a ship now and again in EC? it's bubbled excessively nearly 24/7.
Doesn't stop me from flying in your space when i feel like it. it was a response to being told to fly in 0.0 when i do that already. so thanks for proving my point. yah my KB sucks because i fly solo and has no friends. you going to beat me up on that now too? get a life dude
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baltec1
617
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Posted - 2012.02.15 21:16:00 -
[104] - Quote
arcca jeth wrote:Leeroy McJenkins wrote:arcca jeth wrote:lol i find it ironic that you are calling me a pubbie and telling me to go out to Null where I do play (showing you don't know squat about me just because i occasionally like to mine) when YOU are in a huge nullsec alliance with SOV hanging out in high sec, probably more than I do infact. just because you are in Goons doesn't make you leet bud. i actually fly in YOUR SPACE idiot lmao This appears to be working out extremely well for you, pubbie. yah and? so i lose some recons? big woop, you just proved my point that I fly in your space. Sorry that I am not a neckbeard KB *****? and sorry that i don't have 1000+ SOV holding alliance? and who doesn't lose a ship now and again in EC? it's bubbled excessively nearly 24/7. Doesn't stop me from flying in your space when i feel like it. it was a response to being told to fly in 0.0 when i do that already. so thanks for proving my point. yah my KB sucks because i fly solo and has no friends. you going to beat me up on that now too? get a life dude
Flying around in someones back yard is not something special. |
Razzor Death
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
51
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Posted - 2012.02.15 21:30:00 -
[105] - Quote
arcca jeth wrote:Doesn't stop me from flying in your space when i feel like it. it was a response to being told to fly in 0.0 when i do that already. so thanks for proving my point. yah my KB sucks because i fly solo and has no friends. you going to beat me up on that now too? get a life dude
for 500mill I would be happy to call you a friend pal |
Khan Farshatok
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
2
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Posted - 2012.02.15 21:31:00 -
[106] - Quote
arcca jeth wrote:lol i find it ironic that you are calling me a pubbie and telling me to go out to Null where I do play (showing you don't know squat about me just because i occasionally like to mine) when YOU are in a huge nullsec alliance with SOV hanging out in high sec, probably more than I do infact. just because you are in Goons doesn't make you leet bud. i actually fly in YOUR SPACE idiot lmao
would love to see you in MY space. :D |
Jafit
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
22
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Posted - 2012.02.15 21:51:00 -
[107] - Quote
Cipher Jones wrote:Jafit wrote:Cipher Jones wrote:Jafit wrote:It's interesting how Moon mining and PI are other forms of resource gathering in this game introduced since belt mining, and they're passive in nature rather than requiring players to sit in a ship and shoot at something. I like to think that this is because CCP realised how bad mining gameplay is, but that probably isn't the reason.
As for bots, any activity that is boring and monotonous, and which requires no thought or creativity can and will be botted. This goes for mining, ratting, missions, and Jita 0.01 isk undercutting market PvP. Bots are a symptom of a bad game with boring gameplay. People complain about CCP not banning bots, instead you should complain about the gameplay, and make gameplay that requires human thought and creativity to play, then the bots will go away on their own.
Out of interest does anyone know of any bots that can do probing? If not then that's a step in the right direction. I was going to like you post till I finished reading it. Every single online game has bots, bar none. So, are you saying that because other MMOs have bots that we should just accept our boring repetitive gameplay and the bots that come with it? If so your opinion is invalid. I am clearly saying your conclusion that "Bots are a symptom of a bad game with boring gameplay" would also mean that every single MMO is a bad game with boring gameplay.
Have you ever played an MMO before? |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
985
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Posted - 2012.02.15 21:52:00 -
[108] - Quote
Quote:What tools does EvE give to counter / fight against this potentially (they have not confirmed or denied!) strong and continued initiative?
1: Directional Scanner with a range sufficient for even the slowest miner to warp out of a belt before a hostile arrives. 2: The ability to organize/communicate with others. 3: Warp Core stabilizers, in case someone is stupid enough to scram you with a cloaking ship. 4: The ability to set standings. 5: The ability to create or join intel channels that report the identity and location of hostiles.
Combine this with the brain you already possess and it's ability to pay attention, read, type, speak, recognize individuals/corps/alliances/standings, and generally make sure you aren't there when the hostile arrives.
This is your goal, this is your PVP specialization (evasion) in this PVP centric game, this is the element of danger that keeps you from quitting out of sheer boredom.... whether you want to admit it or not, this is your truth.
When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
SkiD-MaRk
DEAD-ON
8
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Posted - 2012.02.15 21:55:00 -
[109] - Quote
Khan Farshatok wrote:Akrasjel Lanate wrote:Remember about it when you will be voitng four "your" CSM candidate yes remember, VOTE MITTANI CSM!!
Hell ya! |
arcca jeth
Dark Alliance Dark Empire Alliance
73
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Posted - 2012.02.15 21:59:00 -
[110] - Quote
lol where someone loses a ship doesn't mean they are their all the time. have some common sense. I know your space, I used to be in TEST and flew out of VFK for awhile. I will not be paying 500M to be scammed. I am a 74M sp 6 year pilot who can fly all cap ships. YOU should be PAYING ME to join lol |
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arcca jeth
Dark Alliance Dark Empire Alliance
73
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Posted - 2012.02.15 22:00:00 -
[111] - Quote
Khan Farshatok wrote:arcca jeth wrote:lol i find it ironic that you are calling me a pubbie and telling me to go out to Null where I do play (showing you don't know squat about me just because i occasionally like to mine) when YOU are in a huge nullsec alliance with SOV hanging out in high sec, probably more than I do infact. just because you are in Goons doesn't make you leet bud. i actually fly in YOUR SPACE idiot lmao would love to see you in MY space. :D
you wouldnt see me but in local, but rest assured I would be scanning down your assets if I was hired to
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arcca jeth
Dark Alliance Dark Empire Alliance
73
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Posted - 2012.02.15 22:02:00 -
[112] - Quote
BTW care to buy the location of a POS housing an enemy titan 7 jumps from VFK? |
smushsmush
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
8
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Posted - 2012.02.15 22:08:00 -
[113] - Quote
Every time a nub's mack die's a Bat gets his wings! i come for your tears gypsy!! you pubbies says the best thnigs. keep trying to justify your tears with what you consider valid claims. learn how to play don't be lazy. think outside the box that you live in or should i say ice field.
you mad bots???? |
baltec1
617
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Posted - 2012.02.15 22:10:00 -
[114] - Quote
arcca jeth wrote:lol where someone loses a ship doesn't mean they are their all the time. have some common sense. I know your space, I used to be in TEST and flew out of VFK for awhile. I will not be paying 500M to be scammed. I am a 74M sp 6 year pilot who can fly all cap ships. YOU should be PAYING ME to join lol
Just when I think you cannot sink any lower you whip out a shovel and dig down a little bit more! |
arcca jeth
Dark Alliance Dark Empire Alliance
73
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Posted - 2012.02.15 22:12:00 -
[115] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:arcca jeth wrote:lol where someone loses a ship doesn't mean they are their all the time. have some common sense. I know your space, I used to be in TEST and flew out of VFK for awhile. I will not be paying 500M to be scammed. I am a 74M sp 6 year pilot who can fly all cap ships. YOU should be PAYING ME to join lol Just when I think you cannot sink any lower you whip out a shovel and big down a little bit more!
lol just having fun
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arcca jeth
Dark Alliance Dark Empire Alliance
73
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Posted - 2012.02.15 22:23:00 -
[116] - Quote
Tippia wrote: stuff that i expected
my bad, but i am glad you came and dissected my response and set straight my misinterpretation of the thread, no sarcasm intended.
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Xolve
The Suicide Kings Test Alliance Please Ignore
892
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Posted - 2012.02.15 22:25:00 -
[117] - Quote
arcca jeth wrote:lol just having fun
Pubbies gonna Pub.
After a brief KB review, you don't fly in our space, you die in our space, usually by your own doing. Inappropriate signature removed. Navigator. |
Khan Farshatok
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.02.15 22:52:00 -
[118] - Quote
arcca jeth wrote:lol where someone loses a ship doesn't mean they are their all the time. have some common sense. I know your space, I used to be in TEST and flew out of VFK for awhile. I will not be paying 500M to be scammed. I am a 74M sp 6 year pilot who can fly all cap ships. YOU should be PAYING ME to join lol
lololololol scrub
this char, IE i have many, is 96mil sp. and the best part is i actually have pvp skills. PROOF |
arcca jeth
Dark Alliance Dark Empire Alliance
73
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Posted - 2012.02.15 23:04:00 -
[119] - Quote
Xolve wrote:arcca jeth wrote:lol just having fun Pubbies gonna Pub. After a brief KB review, you don't fly in our space, you die in our space, usually by your own doing.
usually? you mean ...once? lol and yes i know, that was hilarious and i was bored. i expected to die. I had been providing recon on EC-Torrinos gate for a few hours and completed my task. So i went kamikaze and exploded hilariously. what i found funny at the time, you are trying to troll with, which i find equally hilarious.
I don't care about my KB. all these goons responding because some goon told me to fly in 0.0, (which i do). then a goon then posts my horribad KB which proves i fly/die in 0.0, yes there are poostains on this chars underwear. you think this is my only pilot? I do recall mittens commenting once in a thread that KB's are not a reliable source of information. You should learn from him.
why are you wasting your time replying to little ole me? i'm a nobody to you
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arcca jeth
Dark Alliance Dark Empire Alliance
73
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Posted - 2012.02.15 23:05:00 -
[120] - Quote
Khan Farshatok wrote:arcca jeth wrote:lol where someone loses a ship doesn't mean they are their all the time. have some common sense. I know your space, I used to be in TEST and flew out of VFK for awhile. I will not be paying 500M to be scammed. I am a 74M sp 6 year pilot who can fly all cap ships. YOU should be PAYING ME to join lol lololololol scrub this char, IE i have many, is 96mil sp. and the best part is i actually have pvp skills. PROOF
i don't recall anywhere where i claimed to be good at PVP, good lord you all are idiots aren't you?
you are trying to prove something? to who? me? gaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahaha |
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Surge Roth
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
38
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Posted - 2012.02.15 23:15:00 -
[121] - Quote
Razzor Death wrote:Sasha Azala wrote:Razzor Death wrote:Sasha Azala wrote:So you're part of the growing group of vigilantes and being a vigilante makes you feel special I have no idea what you're talking about but it sounded pretty gay Well, I don't actually know any gay people so I have no idea what they sounds like, in typed text. My guess is the same as anyone else. Don't confuse considering others with being gay, that would not be exclusive to being gay. Maybe you should consider others sometimes, or is that asking too much, or does the macho bs get in the way? Don't consider others ? the mighty Goonswarm Federation of the people is working tirelessly in the **** hole that is High Sec trying to make it a better place for man and woman and you demonise us ? in 5 days one single Corp has inflicted a fully fit titans worth of destruction against the hordes of EULA breakers. What have you done for the people lately ? other than force people on eveo to have to read through your terrible posts of pointless drivel. Vote Mittani for CSM, making the game a better place one less bot at a time.
Too bad your guys can't do that to real combat titans without calling for nerfs |
Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
274
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Posted - 2012.02.15 23:27:00 -
[122] - Quote
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: if Goons are smart
Not empty quoting for lulz.... honest
OP + thread = TLDR
What goons get up to in there spare time I dread to think and feel slightly nasuas even considering it
Also
WTS Navy Issue Tinfoil Hats - see my bio for contract
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
smushsmush
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
8
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Posted - 2012.02.15 23:32:00 -
[123] - Quote
arcca jeth wrote:Khan Farshatok wrote:arcca jeth wrote:lol where someone loses a ship doesn't mean they are their all the time. have some common sense. I know your space, I used to be in TEST and flew out of VFK for awhile. I will not be paying 500M to be scammed. I am a 74M sp 6 year pilot who can fly all cap ships. YOU should be PAYING ME to join lol lololololol scrub this char, IE i have many, is 96mil sp. and the best part is i actually have pvp skills. PROOF i don't recall anywhere where i claimed to be good at PVP, good lord you all are idiots aren't you? you are trying to prove something? to who? me? gaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahaha
bahahahaha don't flatter yourself . heh |
smushsmush
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
8
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Posted - 2012.02.15 23:44:00 -
[124] - Quote
Surge Roth wrote:Razzor Death wrote:Sasha Azala wrote:Razzor Death wrote:Sasha Azala wrote:So you're part of the growing group of vigilantes and being a vigilante makes you feel special I have no idea what you're talking about but it sounded pretty gay Well, I don't actually know any gay people so I have no idea what they sounds like, in typed text. My guess is the same as anyone else. Don't confuse considering others with being gay, that would not be exclusive to being gay. Maybe you should consider others sometimes, or is that asking too much, or does the macho bs get in the way? Don't consider others ? the mighty Goonswarm Federation of the people is working tirelessly in the **** hole that is High Sec trying to make it a better place for man and woman and you demonise us ? in 5 days one single Corp has inflicted a fully fit titans worth of destruction against the hordes of EULA breakers. What have you done for the people lately ? other than force people on eveo to have to read through your terrible posts of pointless drivel. Vote Mittani for CSM, making the game a better place one less bot at a time. Too bad your guys can't do that to real combat titans without calling for nerfs
come on now. how many titans have you even shot at... or been DD'd by??? you may be an alt, but how many fights have you been in with titans on the field ? |
Kane Hart
Sanitized Souls
0
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Posted - 2012.02.16 05:36:00 -
[125] - Quote
TBH I been trying save up and work hard to getting myself a nice mining barge. Now I'm to damn afraid to even consider it now. I know some have a wonderful and worthy cause but overall its not going to be worth it period.
Sounds like there might be legit groups if you prove you are a human and such they will be nice but damn I was hoping get a hulk in the near future and Mine and Mine low level ores worth hardly nothing so someday I will have enough money saved to risk doing some crazy things.
=( I love eve and sometimes I hate eve. |
Selinate
653
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Posted - 2012.02.16 06:20:00 -
[126] - Quote
I like to actually play Eve, ergo I don't mine.
I guess it doesn't affect me then... |
Ziranda Hakuli
Relativity Holding Corp AAA Citizens
12
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Posted - 2012.02.16 07:29:00 -
[127] - Quote
kinda happy i am bored with mining and now blowing things up. So i be nice to you folks who are afraid to go out mining in your nice little shiny hulk. put a tank on it and if your not sure how google it. there are a few sites for this type of BS! and second use the buddy system with shield rep drone and a booster if you got one and another to haul.
This should drive the goons mad and poor skilled gankers like Darius III or Mitahnie or mittens |
Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
805
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Posted - 2012.02.16 07:46:00 -
[128] - Quote
Valei Khurelem wrote:It's a shame they don't do anything about the bots that will inevitably be grinding away on the other side of 0.0 space, but I can see GoonSwarm don't like fighting against the odds anymore, anything that kills the advantage bots have over normal players is a good thing but it's obvious that the Goons are just in it for the profit.
Why care when the richest alliance in Eve can buy tritanium at 100isk/un to build their Titans?
Quote:I'm not a 0.0 hater :P I just think this whole game is fubar, some areas more than others.
Some alliances never thought about that when they were selling SC's and Titans to their own enemies Thing with Null sec is taht it's a TOTAL player driven content, see what they did with.
Quote:This basically reminds me of how the UK had a one day strike which was the most useless thing ever because the government actually made money from that and people didn't have to deal with all the usual b.s. public sector workers caused them, in the end this will go on for awhile and then everyone will forget it happened.
This is good for the game, the downside is that this flawded and hipocritical idea is even better for those using bots.
Let me dumb it enough so some might understand:
Mineral price goes up because not enough miners mining, because miners get ganked systematicly by every stupid nerd with a ship and guns fitted in.
The good excuse is bots, ho really???
And who the heck has the ability to pull 10/20/30 or + miners clean entire belts of minerals directly sold to the largest alliances (compressed) so they can sell you the fresh titan you just asked a month ago for your uber titan alt?
Silly people being silly people. If you want to do something about bots, just find ways to counter rating bots, you know those giving you about 1B/24h you can buy for 10$/10Gé¼ on the internet if you are smart enough to google it.
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Mnengli Noiliffe
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
25
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Posted - 2012.02.16 07:57:00 -
[129] - Quote
Interesting thing about hulkageddon is that it is basically game destructing activity, whatever goons are trying to tell you. Because noobs are the future of this game.
You should realise that the only people who do mining in highsec are the total noobs (who may bot too). There is a WAY batter ways to make money for every non noob carebear out there.
So basically what hulkageddon effectively does is killing the new players only in high sec. Way to ensure game survival in the long run (not).
it is NOT anti carebear strategy since carebears are safely running missions/incursions and producing stuff for great profits.
If goons really wanted to increase risk in high sec, they'd go after incursions (mom killing - that darius whatever guy got bored really quick with that, didn't he?), ganking the pimp mobile battleships (yep, they need more than 5 gank nados typically), after orcas (yup-, they need 20+ gank nados and then will NEVER drop anything worthwhile).
I doubt goons are capable of this though, they will stick with ganking noobs all over highsec for a show though. |
Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
384
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Posted - 2012.02.16 08:31:00 -
[130] - Quote
Mnengli Noiliffe wrote:Interesting thing about hulkageddon is that it is basically game destructing activity, whatever goons are trying to tell you. Because noobs are the future of this game.
You should realise that the only people who do mining in highsec are the total noobs (who may bot too). There is a WAY batter ways to make money for every non noob carebear out there.
So basically what hulkageddon effectively does is killing the new players only in high sec. Way to ensure game survival in the long run (not).
it is NOT anti carebear strategy since carebears are safely running missions/incursions and producing stuff for great profits.
If goons really wanted to increase risk in high sec, they'd go after incursions (mom killing - that darius whatever guy got bored really quick with that, didn't he?), ganking the pimp mobile battleships (yep, they need more than 5 gank nados typically), after orcas (yup-, they need 20+ gank nados and then will NEVER drop anything worthwhile).
I doubt goons are capable of this though, they will stick with ganking noobs all over highsec for a show though. If you go look at a mining field, and check ages, most of those toons are NOT noob characters. check your facts.
Also, as for ganking those shiny BS, its alot easier than attacking them. They die as soon as their logi stops repping, so the proper approach is to gank the logi, and laugh while the rats kill the shiny ships.
I think someone is using a sock puppet to try and protect his highsec mining alt. Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
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Kane Hart
Sanitized Souls
0
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Posted - 2012.02.16 08:51:00 -
[131] - Quote
So what would your advice be for none botters and players are getting their first hulk that has no low sec corp at this time and is not part of an alliance. I guess I would say for the people who are blowing up hulks what advice do you have to us none botters?
Hulk is a pretty large first time investment to some and I would really hate to be owned because some idiots can't play the game fair. |
baltec1
622
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Posted - 2012.02.16 09:38:00 -
[132] - Quote
Kane Hart wrote:So what would your advice be for none botters and players are getting their first hulk that has no low sec corp at this time and is not part of an alliance. I guess I would say for the people who are blowing up hulks what advice do you have to us none botters?
Hulk is a pretty large first time investment to some and I would really hate to be owned because some idiots can't play the game fair.
Get out of Bat Country? |
Parthonax
6
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Posted - 2012.02.16 09:47:00 -
[133] - Quote
Kane Hart wrote:So what would your advice be for none botters and players are getting their first hulk that has no low sec corp at this time and is not part of an alliance. I guess I would say for the people who are blowing up hulks what advice do you have to us none botters?
Hulk is a pretty large first time investment to some and I would really hate to be owned because some idiots can't play the game fair. Use a mining barge instead of a exhumerfor now if it gets blown up you only lose a 25 mil instead of 200mil + use a scanner to lock your asteroids and keep your overview empty so you can spot and indentify danger sooner move away from the warp in point further away more time you have to react align yourself to a safespot or the station at all time get to know who is local and who is not so keep a eye on local aswell If you see a combat type ship warp in even if he isn't targeting you and only moving closer to you get out he s probably acting as a scout and a warp in point for his buddies in a small gank fleet avoid populair mining systems or systems where there are icebelts try and mine in grav sites or mission sites ( there some good mining opportunities on lvl1 thru lvl3 mission sites)
tho a dedicated ganker/grierefer will still get you if he wants those tips will make it a bit harder for them to catch you and since most of them arejust bored and lazy teenagers with a epeen complex who never done a day of honest work so this is permanence |
Tore Vest
222
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Posted - 2012.02.16 10:01:00 -
[134] - Quote
Buff hulks Highsec carebear... and proud of it |
Mnengli Noiliffe
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
25
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Posted - 2012.02.16 10:21:00 -
[135] - Quote
Tallian Saotome wrote:Mnengli Noiliffe wrote:Interesting thing about hulkageddon is that it is basically game destructing activity, whatever goons are trying to tell you. Because noobs are the future of this game.
You should realise that the only people who do mining in highsec are the total noobs (who may bot too). There is a WAY batter ways to make money for every non noob carebear out there.
So basically what hulkageddon effectively does is killing the new players only in high sec. Way to ensure game survival in the long run (not).
it is NOT anti carebear strategy since carebears are safely running missions/incursions and producing stuff for great profits.
If goons really wanted to increase risk in high sec, they'd go after incursions (mom killing - that darius whatever guy got bored really quick with that, didn't he?), ganking the pimp mobile battleships (yep, they need more than 5 gank nados typically), after orcas (yup-, they need 20+ gank nados and then will NEVER drop anything worthwhile).
I doubt goons are capable of this though, they will stick with ganking noobs all over highsec for a show though. If you go look at a mining field, and check ages, most of those toons are NOT noob characters. check your facts. Also, as for ganking those shiny BS, its alot easier than attacking them. They die as soon as their logi stops repping, so the proper approach is to gank the logi, and laugh while the rats kill the shiny ships. I think someone is using a sock puppet to try and protect his highsec mining alt. lol i haven't mined since first few months in game and couldn't care less about the miners. i just feel ignored in my 200 ehp orca making 2 bil per week selling t2 stuff in jita for over 6 months now. why would i mine? i already try to minimize my time spent in this boring game so i only need to log in once per week to set up production jobs and then to undercut a couple of times per day. instead of wasting time with mining for 10 mil/hour i can run some missions for at least 50 mil/hour in my t2 tengu and alt's t2 mach. logi for missions? you gotta be kidding me, they barely ever scratch the shield of my tengu...
and you are delusional if you think someone needs to protect their mining alts by posting on forums... |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
2965
|
Posted - 2012.02.16 11:01:00 -
[136] - Quote
I've always found it odd that people mine in highsec when 0.0 is so much safer. There's way more ore and better ore too in nullsec, and you're closer to your biggest customers.
I guess the refining is not quite as good though, maybe that's an issue. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Sasha Azala
Blood and Decay
33
|
Posted - 2012.02.16 11:21:00 -
[137] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:I've always found it odd that people mine in highsec when 0.0 is so much safer. There's way more ore and better ore too in nullsec, and you're closer to your biggest customers.
I guess the refining is not quite as good though, maybe that's an issue.
Maybe it's because:
They don't feel they have the time to commit to joining a player corp, meaning they're casual gamers that have a lot of RL time commitments.
They don't wish to join a player corp because they don't want to have to be restricted by the corps rules or requests.
If they're in a player corp it's probably because their corp does not have a foothold in 0.0. |
Gordon Fell
Acura Tech
2
|
Posted - 2012.02.16 11:21:00 -
[138] - Quote
Ziranda Hakuli wrote:kinda happy i am bored with mining and now blowing things up. So i be nice to you folks who are afraid to go out mining in your nice little shiny hulk. put a tank on it and if your not sure how google it. there are a few sites for this type of BS! and second use the buddy system with shield rep drone and a booster if you got one and another to haul.
This should drive the goons mad and poor skilled gankers like Darius III or Mitahnie or mittens
Yeah... you're still a miner... |
Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
385
|
Posted - 2012.02.16 11:25:00 -
[139] - Quote
Sasha Azala wrote:Malcanis wrote:I've always found it odd that people mine in highsec when 0.0 is so much safer. There's way more ore and better ore too in nullsec, and you're closer to your biggest customers.
I guess the refining is not quite as good though, maybe that's an issue. Maybe it's because: They don't feel they have the time to commit to joining a player corp, meaning they're casual gamers that have a lot of RL time commitments. They don't wish to join a player corp because they don't want to have to be restricted by the corps rules or requests. If they're in a player corp it's probably because their corp does not have a foothold in 0.0. They are wrong about not having time to commit. My corp has a mining wing, and most of the miners we currently have log in, get their mine on for as long as they have time for, and log off. The requirements for monthly dues can be gained in 3 hours solo(from what the miners tell me).
If you can't spare an extra 3 hours a month to contribute to a group, why aren't you just playing a 1 player game?
PS: wow you like your white space Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
Sasha Azala
Blood and Decay
33
|
Posted - 2012.02.16 11:33:00 -
[140] - Quote
Tallian Saotome wrote:PS: wow you like your white space
If you meant the blank part under the text, it was unintentional, thanks for pointing it out.
It's been corrected! |
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Parthonax
6
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Posted - 2012.02.16 11:33:00 -
[141] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:I've always found it odd that people mine in highsec when 0.0 is so much safer. There's way more ore and better ore too in nullsec, and you're closer to your biggest customers.
I guess the refining is not quite as good though, maybe that's an issue.
Because nullsec alliances earn more money from moongoo then from mining ,and is so much easier to set up and operate i think it is highly inlogical that the commodity that is worth most needs the least work to extract, you just set up a pos n set up a range of reactions and you are done only thing you need to do is to fuel the pos and empty the storage every week or so
Second which serious pvp orientated player wants to babysit over a bunch of miners while he can earn a couple 100 mil doing plexes or anmolies
thirdly ratting bots are easier to handle than real people
Refining in nullsec is aweful compared to highsec refining
etc etc
and lastly one afk cloaker can kill any attempt of industrial expansion in a matter of days so this is permanence |
Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
385
|
Posted - 2012.02.16 11:33:00 -
[142] - Quote
Mnengli Noiliffe wrote:Tallian Saotome wrote:Mnengli Noiliffe wrote:Interesting thing about hulkageddon is that it is basically game destructing activity, whatever goons are trying to tell you. Because noobs are the future of this game.
You should realise that the only people who do mining in highsec are the total noobs (who may bot too). There is a WAY batter ways to make money for every non noob carebear out there.
So basically what hulkageddon effectively does is killing the new players only in high sec. Way to ensure game survival in the long run (not).
it is NOT anti carebear strategy since carebears are safely running missions/incursions and producing stuff for great profits.
If goons really wanted to increase risk in high sec, they'd go after incursions (mom killing - that darius whatever guy got bored really quick with that, didn't he?), ganking the pimp mobile battleships (yep, they need more than 5 gank nados typically), after orcas (yup-, they need 20+ gank nados and then will NEVER drop anything worthwhile).
I doubt goons are capable of this though, they will stick with ganking noobs all over highsec for a show though. If you go look at a mining field, and check ages, most of those toons are NOT noob characters. check your facts. Also, as for ganking those shiny BS, its alot easier than attacking them. They die as soon as their logi stops repping, so the proper approach is to gank the logi, and laugh while the rats kill the shiny ships. I think someone is using a sock puppet to try and protect his highsec mining alt. lol i haven't mined since first few months in game and couldn't care less about the miners. i just feel ignored in my 200 ehp orca making 2 bil per week selling t2 stuff in jita for over 6 months now. why would i mine? i already try to minimize my time spent in this boring game so i only need to log in once per week to set up production jobs and then to undercut a couple of times per day. instead of wasting time with mining for 10 mil/hour i can run some missions for at least 50 mil/hour in my t2 tengu and alt's t2 mach. logi for missions? you gotta be kidding me, they barely ever scratch the shield of my tengu... and you are delusional if you think someone needs to protect their mining alts by posting on forums... Not logi for missions, logi for incursions. Thats what the topic was. I dare you to go solo an incursion vanguard in your precious tengu.
I run orca support for miners on an alt, which is how I have some idea of whats involved. I make 60+ mil an hour semi-afk in a carrier(I'm to lazy to optimize my isk/hr). I don't gank, I just do nullsec pvp. But, as a member of the CFC, I am VERY familiar with how to do it.
However, your statement about ganking highsec miners is still wrong. They are NOT mostly noobs(tho some are, and they will inevitably get ganked as well) and they are the easiest bots in the game to catch, since they are so easy to find and can't set up auto-docking when a neut comes into the system.
Also, ganking someone and watching them podmine the belt is the easiest way to ID a bot. A noob isn't gonna keep warping between the station and the belt in a pod the way a bot will.
And your a moron if you think people who run bots don't come crying to the forums about how ebil all the gankers are. Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
327
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Posted - 2012.02.16 11:36:00 -
[143] - Quote
What a monstrously LARGE FAIL at a Troll.
This is NOT unusually high behavior for that group or that board.
Nothing has changed.
Nothing to see here.
The Goon board looks like this everyday here.
You guys are unreal................
I fully support H'geddon, but this is NOT Hulkageddon....at all. OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity" |
Leeroy McJenkins
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
46
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Posted - 2012.02.16 15:28:00 -
[144] - Quote
arcca jeth wrote:I used to be in TEST
This explains a lot. The Official Non-Official Goonswarm Federation |
Cipher Jones
301
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Posted - 2012.02.16 16:39:00 -
[145] - Quote
ITT people who don't make the maximum isk over time possible call people noobs for making less isk over time than they do.
See what happens when fat neckbeards try to ride little ponies? The ponies die. |
Khan Farshatok
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
4
|
Posted - 2012.02.16 18:29:00 -
[146] - Quote
Sasha Azala wrote:Malcanis wrote:I've always found it odd that people mine in highsec when 0.0 is so much safer. There's way more ore and better ore too in nullsec, and you're closer to your biggest customers.
I guess the refining is not quite as good though, maybe that's an issue. Maybe it's because: They don't feel they have the time to commit to joining a player corp, meaning they're casual gamers that have a lot of RL time commitments. They don't wish to join a player corp because they don't want to have to be restricted by the corps rules or requests. If they're in a player corp it's probably because their corp does not have a foothold in 0.0.
or, and im just throwing this out there as a small possibility, they see all the bots doing it in high sec and think its the place to do it. its ok though noobs of the game. the bots will run out of money way before we do and soon you will come to see that you can make 4 times as much out in 0.0. which is really our intent. more people in 0.0
VOTE MITTANI CSM!!
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Khan Farshatok
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
4
|
Posted - 2012.02.16 18:39:00 -
[147] - Quote
Parthonax wrote:Malcanis wrote:I've always found it odd that people mine in highsec when 0.0 is so much safer. There's way more ore and better ore too in nullsec, and you're closer to your biggest customers.
I guess the refining is not quite as good though, maybe that's an issue. Because nullsec alliances earn more money from moongoo then from mining ,and is so much easier to set up and operate i think it is highly inlogical that the commodity that is worth most needs the least work to extract, you just set up a pos n set up a range of reactions and you are done only thing you need to do is to fuel the pos and empty the storage every week or so Second which serious pvp orientated player wants to babysit over a bunch of miners while he can earn a couple 100 mil doing plexes or anmolies thirdly ratting bots are easier to handle than real people Refining in nullsec is aweful compared to highsec refining etc etc and lastly one afk cloaker can kill any attempt of industrial expansion in a matter of days
guys everyone go get a tech moon. apparently we are all doing it wrong.
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Esan Vartesa
Samarkand Financial
166
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Posted - 2012.02.16 22:40:00 -
[148] - Quote
Good Lord this argument is getting old.
"Null sec is better! Everyone, move to null!"
"No! We LIKE IT in high sec!"
"Then we're going to make your lives miserable, to show you that high sec sucks."
"..." |
Khan Farshatok
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
4
|
Posted - 2012.02.17 00:57:00 -
[149] - Quote
Esan Vartesa wrote:Good Lord this argument is getting old.
"Null sec is better! Everyone, move to null!"
"No! We LIKE IT in high sec!"
"Then we're going to make your lives miserable, to show you that high sec sucks."
"..."
just because its old doesnt mean its not a good one. i mean look at the argument of which god is the real god. or if god exists |
bilingi
Ghosts of the Storm
30
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Posted - 2012.02.17 01:15:00 -
[150] - Quote
Maybe the goons should kill their own bots first?.. There is a Map after all its easy to find them.... |
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Aiwha
101st Space Marine Force Nulli Secunda
161
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Posted - 2012.02.17 01:22:00 -
[151] - Quote
Esan Vartesa wrote:Good Lord this argument is getting old.
"Null sec is better! Everyone, move to null!"
"No! We LIKE IT in high sec!"
"Then we're going to make your lives miserable, to show you that high sec sucks."
"..."
Nullsec has no angry neutrals who might suicide gank you for a laugh. Just sayin. Regards,
LCpl. Aiwha-á Senior Recruiter |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
128
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Posted - 2012.02.17 03:36:00 -
[152] - Quote
Aiwha wrote:Nullsec has no angry neutrals who might suicide gank you for a laugh. Just sayin. They don't have to suicide, yeah. At least usually they don't get blown up immediately after the gank.
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Victor Bastion
Bastion Mining and Armaments
0
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Posted - 2012.02.17 09:08:00 -
[153] - Quote
Implement a "Captcha" you must type in before you can un-dock. If you need a reason why call it a security clearance. There you go, bot problem solved and we can stop listening to this same debate OVER AND OVER AGAIN. |
baltec1
624
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Posted - 2012.02.17 09:24:00 -
[154] - Quote
Victor Bastion wrote:Implement a "Captcha" you must type in before you can un-dock. If you need a reason why call it a security clearance. There you go, bot problem solved and we can stop listening to this same debate OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
We have the perfect bot filter |
Sasha Azala
Blood and Decay
35
|
Posted - 2012.02.17 09:24:00 -
[155] - Quote
Khan Farshatok wrote:Sasha Azala wrote:Malcanis wrote:I've always found it odd that people mine in highsec when 0.0 is so much safer. There's way more ore and better ore too in nullsec, and you're closer to your biggest customers.
I guess the refining is not quite as good though, maybe that's an issue. Maybe it's because: They don't feel they have the time to commit to joining a player corp, meaning they're casual gamers that have a lot of RL time commitments. They don't wish to join a player corp because they don't want to have to be restricted by the corps rules or requests. If they're in a player corp it's probably because their corp does not have a foothold in 0.0. or, and im just throwing this out there as a small possibility, they see all the bots doing it in high sec and think its the place to do it. its ok though noobs of the game. the bots will run out of money way before we do and soon you will come to see that you can make 4 times as much out in 0.0. which is really our intent. more people in 0.0 VOTE MITTANI CSM!!
I'd say you're talking crap especially when you're talking about bots.
You can make good isk in 0.0, I used to make good isk there just from ratting belts. Problem with 0.0 is you have to be in a large corp/alliance, which might not suit everybody. |
Parthonax
8
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Posted - 2012.02.17 09:51:00 -
[156] - Quote
Khan Farshatok wrote: or, and im just throwing this out there as a small possibility, they see all the bots doing it in high sec and think its the place to do it. its ok though noobs of the game. the bots will run out of money way before we do and soon you will come to see that you can make 4 times as much out in 0.0. which is really our intent. more people in 0.0
VOTE MITTANI CSM!!
Well there is rather one small problem with your theory , not only are you and thealot of your goons pure hypocrites , you really have no idea why people refuse to go nullsec and what people really want from this game , you only see your side and even refuse to acknowledge that botting and RMT even exsist in nullsec , while everybody else know pretty well where the real problem with bots are
you are starting this campaign and call it a war against bots while you damn know well that 3 out of 4 victims will be real people and not a macro , all this while you are protecting your own ratting bots tsk tsk
Sometimes i am convinced that if EVE ever dies it will be the arrogance and mentallity of alliances like the goons that will eventually kill the game so this is permanence |
Raiz Nhell
DEEP CORPS
18
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Posted - 2012.02.17 09:52:00 -
[157] - Quote
I say... Plenty of sabre rattling, not so much pinging off my hull...
FFS get on with it...
I'm so carebear my Pod bleeds rainbow...
Beers + nullsec + dodgy fit = Loss mail |
Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
390
|
Posted - 2012.02.17 09:53:00 -
[158] - Quote
bilingi wrote:Maybe the goons should kill their own bots first?.. There is a Map after all its easy to find them.... Goons don't screw goons. Its the number one no-no in GSF, and why they don't report each other if there is a bot.
On the other hand, they generally don't feel compelled to defend a bot in their alliance, and will just laugh at anyone complaining that their bot got screwed. Just don't expect them to do the screwing themselves. Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
2973
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Posted - 2012.02.17 09:58:00 -
[159] - Quote
Parthonax wrote:Malcanis wrote:I've always found it odd that people mine in highsec when 0.0 is so much safer. There's way more ore and better ore too in nullsec, and you're closer to your biggest customers.
I guess the refining is not quite as good though, maybe that's an issue. Because nullsec alliances earn more money from moongoo then from mining ,and is so much easier to set up and operate i think it is highly inlogical that the commodity that is worth most needs the least work to extract, you just set up a pos n set up a range of reactions and you are done only thing you need to do is to fuel the pos and empty the storage every week or so Second which serious pvp orientated player wants to babysit over a bunch of miners while he can earn a couple 100 mil doing plexes or anmolies thirdly ratting bots are easier to handle than real people Refining in nullsec is aweful compared to highsec refining etc etc and lastly one afk cloaker can kill any attempt of industrial expansion in a matter of days
Moon goo can't substitute for minerals, and as said above, the worthwhile moons are almost alwys held on a corp or alliance level, not by individuals. But I wasn't asking why "alliances" don't mine in 0.0. I was asking why hi-sec miners don't mine in 0.0? I am continually being told that sov 0.0 is far safer than hi-sec, and surely the superabundance of ores in superior types can make up for refining inefficiencies? (Also IIRC mining outposts can be upgraded to allow perfect refines)
It seems like it would be a no-brainer for your average hi-sec miner to join a backwater 0.0 alliance and mine all day Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
390
|
Posted - 2012.02.17 10:00:00 -
[160] - Quote
Parthonax wrote:Khan Farshatok wrote: or, and im just throwing this out there as a small possibility, they see all the bots doing it in high sec and think its the place to do it. its ok though noobs of the game. the bots will run out of money way before we do and soon you will come to see that you can make 4 times as much out in 0.0. which is really our intent. more people in 0.0
VOTE MITTANI CSM!!
Well there is rather one small problem with your theory , not only are you and thealot of your goons pure hypocrites , you really have no idea why people refuse to go nullsec and what people really want from this game , you only see your side and even refuse to acknowledge that botting and RMT even exsist in nullsec , while everybody else know pretty well where the real problem with bots are you are starting this campaign and call it a war against bots while you damn know well that 3 out of 4 victims will be real people and not a macro , all this while you are protecting your own ratting bots tsk tsk Sometimes i am convinced that if EVE ever dies it will be the arrogance and mentallity of alliances like the goons that will eventually kill the game Those of us in null don't deny the existence of null bots, and most CFC alliances have anti bot policies(not all, just most of us).
You don't hear about it because we don't raise drama over people slaughtering bots, and laugh at people who get caught in the crossfire for acting too much like a bot.
You really need to realize that most of the problem bots do live in highsec, because its harder to shut them down up there. Here in null, all you have to do is park a cloaky in their system and the bot hides, and won't come out til it has been taught to ignore you(usually takes about a week, at which point you can freely kill it or bring in a different character to shut it down). Highsec bots ignore neuts in system because ::CONCORD:: which makes suicide ganking easier, but for the same reason non-bots act like bots(mostly afk, only moving when they have to, not talking because they are afk) and are gonna get caught if a sweep comes through. Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
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Sasha Azala
Blood and Decay
35
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Posted - 2012.02.17 10:03:00 -
[161] - Quote
Tallian Saotome wrote:Goons don't screw goons. Its the number one no-no in GSF, and why they don't report each other if there is a bot.
So they are hypocrites, that interesting to know if it's indeed true.
What they should do if they really are anti-botting and not just using it as an excuse, is to expel anyone known to use bots from their corp. |
Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
390
|
Posted - 2012.02.17 10:04:00 -
[162] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:Parthonax wrote:Malcanis wrote:I've always found it odd that people mine in highsec when 0.0 is so much safer. There's way more ore and better ore too in nullsec, and you're closer to your biggest customers.
I guess the refining is not quite as good though, maybe that's an issue. Because nullsec alliances earn more money from moongoo then from mining ,and is so much easier to set up and operate i think it is highly inlogical that the commodity that is worth most needs the least work to extract, you just set up a pos n set up a range of reactions and you are done only thing you need to do is to fuel the pos and empty the storage every week or so Second which serious pvp orientated player wants to babysit over a bunch of miners while he can earn a couple 100 mil doing plexes or anmolies thirdly ratting bots are easier to handle than real people Refining in nullsec is aweful compared to highsec refining etc etc and lastly one afk cloaker can kill any attempt of industrial expansion in a matter of days Moon goo can't substitute for minerals, and as said above, the worthwhile moons are almost alwys held on a corp or alliance level, not by individuals. But I wasn't asking why "alliances" don't mine in 0.0. I was asking why hi-sec miners don't mine in 0.0? I am continually being told that sov 0.0 is far safer than hi-sec, and surely the superabundance of ores in superior types can make up for refining inefficiencies? (Also IIRC mining outposts can be upgraded to allow perfect refines) It seems like it would be a no-brainer for your average hi-sec miner to join a backwater 0.0 alliance and mine all day
Because they think the are unwelcome, or its too dangerous(no matter how many times they are told otherwise) and never give it a try. I've been trying to recruit miners for null on and off for months, and we have only gotten 4-5 keepers who stayed as miners. Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
baltec1
624
|
Posted - 2012.02.17 10:11:00 -
[163] - Quote
Sasha Azala wrote:Tallian Saotome wrote:Goons don't screw goons. Its the number one no-no in GSF, and why they don't report each other if there is a bot.
So they are hypocrites, that interesting to know if it's indeed true. What they should do if they really are anti-botting and not just using it as an excuse, is to expel anyone known to use bots from their corp.
Look at that selective reading. |
Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
390
|
Posted - 2012.02.17 10:21:00 -
[164] - Quote
Sasha Azala wrote:Tallian Saotome wrote:Goons don't screw goons. Its the number one no-no in GSF, and why they don't report each other if there is a bot.
So they are hypocrites, that interesting to know if it's indeed true. What they should do if they really are anti-botting and not just using it as an excuse, is to expel anyone known to use bots from their corp. Funny thing is, as someone who has free access to their space, I don't see bots there. I've seen more bots in my alliance, and we make botting hell once its confirmed(you get declared KOS, and once you have been bled enough you get kicked from the alliance with all your stuff trapped in our stations).
But being pro-goon is number one for them, period. Its the old you don't rat out your friends rule, and its part of the reason they hold together so well and work so well. Everyone knows they have each others backs, as long as no one turns on each other.
Loyalty is not hypocrisy. If you can't understand that, I'm amazed if you have friends at all.
But maybe thats why you are so buttmad? Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
Sasha Azala
Blood and Decay
35
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Posted - 2012.02.17 10:30:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Sasha Azala wrote:Tallian Saotome wrote:Goons don't screw goons. Its the number one no-no in GSF, and why they don't report each other if there is a bot.
So they are hypocrites, that interesting to know if it's indeed true. What they should do if they really are anti-botting and not just using it as an excuse, is to expel anyone known to use bots from their corp. Look at that selective reading.
It was not selective reading, the bit I answered was selected, the second paragraph did not indicate that they actually get rid of the botters from their corp.
Edit: So if they have known botters in their corp then they're hypocrites. |
Parthonax
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Tallian Saotome wrote:Parthonax wrote:Khan Farshatok wrote: or, and im just throwing this out there as a small possibility, they see all the bots doing it in high sec and think its the place to do it. its ok though noobs of the game. the bots will run out of money way before we do and soon you will come to see that you can make 4 times as much out in 0.0. which is really our intent. more people in 0.0
VOTE MITTANI CSM!!
Well there is rather one small problem with your theory , not only are you and thealot of your goons pure hypocrites , you really have no idea why people refuse to go nullsec and what people really want from this game , you only see your side and even refuse to acknowledge that botting and RMT even exsist in nullsec , while everybody else know pretty well where the real problem with bots are you are starting this campaign and call it a war against bots while you damn know well that 3 out of 4 victims will be real people and not a macro , all this while you are protecting your own ratting bots tsk tsk Sometimes i am convinced that if EVE ever dies it will be the arrogance and mentallity of alliances like the goons that will eventually kill the game Those of us in null don't deny the existence of null bots, and most CFC alliances have anti bot policies(not all, just most of us). You don't hear about it because we don't raise drama over people slaughtering bots, and laugh at people who get caught in the crossfire for acting too much like a bot. You really need to realize that most of the problem bots do live in highsec, because its harder to shut them down up there. Here in null, all you have to do is park a cloaky in their system and the bot hides, and won't come out til it has been taught to ignore you(usually takes about a week, at which point you can freely kill it or bring in a different character to shut it down). Highsec bots ignore neuts in system because ::CONCORD:: which makes suicide ganking easier, but for the same reason non-bots act like bots(mostly afk, only moving when they have to, not talking because they are afk) and are gonna get caught if a sweep comes through.
a good point and i certainly don't believe everyone in null sec is as stupid and arrogant as your average goon, I even believe that most players out there are are honest and play fair according to the EULA just the fact that they behave like they own the bloody game , their arrogance and their view that everybody should play the game their way sometimes really pisses me off
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baltec1
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Posted - 2012.02.17 10:37:00 -
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Parthonax wrote:
a good point and i certainly don't believe everyone in null sec is as stupid and arrogant as your average goon, I even believe that most players out there are are honest and play fair according to the EULA just the fact that they behave like they own the bloody game , their arrogance and their view that everybody should play the game their way sometimes really pisses me off
We play the game as it lets you play. |
Tallian Saotome
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Posted - 2012.02.17 10:39:00 -
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Parthonax wrote: a good point and i certainly don't believe everyone in null sec is as stupid and arrogant as your average goon, I even believe that most players out there are are honest and play fair according to the EULA just the fact that they behave like they own the bloody game , their arrogance and their view that everybody should play the game their way sometimes really pisses me off
They don't expect everyone to play their game, they expect to be allowed to play their game but everyone else attacks them for it.
Oh, and goons rarely violate the eula, its against their best interests to do so. After all, they have been forced into a position of controlling the game in order to be allowed to play their way(last CSM nerfed the hell out of null, and thats why you now have Mittens as chairman. You can say thanks to highsec CSM reps for that).
Yes, part of their way of playing is harvesting your tears, but in eve thats a far more legit play style than staring at rocks for weeks on end. At least they have fun. Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
Sasha Azala
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Posted - 2012.02.17 10:43:00 -
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Tallian Saotome wrote:Parthonax wrote: a good point and i certainly don't believe everyone in null sec is as stupid and arrogant as your average goon, I even believe that most players out there are are honest and play fair according to the EULA just the fact that they behave like they own the bloody game , their arrogance and their view that everybody should play the game their way sometimes really pisses me off
They don't expect everyone to play their game, they expect to be allowed to play their game but everyone else attacks them for it. Oh, and goons rarely violate the eula, its against their best interests to do so. After all, they have been forced into a position of controlling the game in order to be allowed to play their way(last CSM nerfed the hell out of null, and thats why you now have Mittens as chairman. You can say thanks to highsec CSM reps for that). Yes, part of their way of playing is harvesting your tears, but in eve thats a far more legit play style than staring at rocks for weeks on end. At least they have fun.
You seem to know a lot about the Goons. Are you an ex-Goon or a Goon on another character? |
Tallian Saotome
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Posted - 2012.02.17 10:45:00 -
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Sasha Azala wrote:Tallian Saotome wrote:Parthonax wrote: a good point and i certainly don't believe everyone in null sec is as stupid and arrogant as your average goon, I even believe that most players out there are are honest and play fair according to the EULA just the fact that they behave like they own the bloody game , their arrogance and their view that everybody should play the game their way sometimes really pisses me off
They don't expect everyone to play their game, they expect to be allowed to play their game but everyone else attacks them for it. Oh, and goons rarely violate the eula, its against their best interests to do so. After all, they have been forced into a position of controlling the game in order to be allowed to play their way(last CSM nerfed the hell out of null, and thats why you now have Mittens as chairman. You can say thanks to highsec CSM reps for that). Yes, part of their way of playing is harvesting your tears, but in eve thats a far more legit play style than staring at rocks for weeks on end. At least they have fun. You seem to know a lot about the Goons. Are you an ex-Goon or a Goon on another character? I see you know next to nothing about Eve politics. Core CFC is Goons, TEST, and FA, with FA being the little brother of the 3. I know about goons because I fly with them every day. Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
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baltec1
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Posted - 2012.02.17 10:48:00 -
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Sasha Azala wrote:
You seem to know a lot about the Goons. Are you an ex-Goon or a Goon on another character?
This post is a fine example of bitter people being bitter about things they know very little about. |
Sasha Azala
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Posted - 2012.02.17 10:54:00 -
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Tallian Saotome wrote:Sasha Azala wrote:Tallian Saotome wrote:Parthonax wrote: a good point and i certainly don't believe everyone in null sec is as stupid and arrogant as your average goon, I even believe that most players out there are are honest and play fair according to the EULA just the fact that they behave like they own the bloody game , their arrogance and their view that everybody should play the game their way sometimes really pisses me off
They don't expect everyone to play their game, they expect to be allowed to play their game but everyone else attacks them for it. Oh, and goons rarely violate the eula, its against their best interests to do so. After all, they have been forced into a position of controlling the game in order to be allowed to play their way(last CSM nerfed the hell out of null, and thats why you now have Mittens as chairman. You can say thanks to highsec CSM reps for that). Yes, part of their way of playing is harvesting your tears, but in eve thats a far more legit play style than staring at rocks for weeks on end. At least they have fun. You seem to know a lot about the Goons. Are you an ex-Goon or a Goon on another character? I see you know next to nothing about Eve politics. Core CFC is Goons, TEST, and FA, with FA being the little brother of the 3. I know about goons because I fly with them every day. Edit: I also know, tbh, because I have given joining serious consideration a couple times. Its a good place to be because goons take care of each other. Sadly, FA's culture appeals to me just a little bit more.
I know about TEST, just forgot about FA maybe that's because FA's the little brother as you quaintly put it.
Edit: So maybe you can answer this question. Do the Goons and it associates that are supposedly trying to get rid of bots from the game get rid of all known botters from their corps? |
Tallian Saotome
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Posted - 2012.02.17 10:59:00 -
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Sasha Azala wrote:I know about TEST, just forgot about FA maybe that's because FA's the little brother as you quaintly put it. Honestly, there are alot of other alliances who are equal members, but our 3 are the biggest ones, who provide most of the man power(in the order I had listed them) and also the 3 who provide the most drama
Edit to reply to your edit: Goons don't investigate(as that is CCPs job), so there are no known botters. I have no clue on TEST policies, tbh FA and TEST don't always see eye to eye(god it was fun shooting at them for that one week, I think they need to bring Zagdul more hookers) and FA has a VERY strict antibot policy.
But, even if you somehow proved a bot in goons, we come back to the loyalty issue. Goons are loyal to each other, and unless the bot makes a move against another goon, they will be ignored.
Its very very simple. Goons don't screw Goons, so stop asking if they screw bots in the alliance. Those bots are still Goons til they violate the actual rules and do something that screws goons.
However, as I said, I've almost never seen bots in goon space, and have heard of 2(both of which got heavily trolled internally), so the question is effectively moot. Why would they bot with all that freaking tech? They make over 600 BILLION isk a month off of tech alone.
Why would you bot when you make that much isk legitimately?
One more edit: You know that Goons are not an EvE thing, right? They come from outside the game as a group, and follow the rules from outside to determine whats allowed in the alliance. Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
Sasha Azala
Blood and Decay
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Posted - 2012.02.17 11:26:00 -
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Tallian Saotome wrote:Sasha Azala wrote:I know about TEST, just forgot about FA maybe that's because FA's the little brother as you quaintly put it. Honestly, there are alot of other alliances who are equal members, but our 3 are the biggest ones, who provide most of the man power(in the order I had listed them) and also the 3 who provide the most drama Edit to reply to your edit: Goons don't investigate(as that is CCPs job), so there are no known botters. I have no clue on TEST policies, tbh FA and TEST don't always see eye to eye(god it was fun shooting at them for that one week, I think they need to bring Zagdul more hookers) and FA has a VERY strict antibot policy. But, even if you somehow proved a bot in goons, we come back to the loyalty issue. Goons are loyal to each other, and unless the bot makes a move against another goon, they will be ignored. Its very very simple. Goons don't screw Goons, so stop asking if they screw bots in the alliance. Those bots are still Goons til they violate the actual rules and do something that screws goons. However, as I said, I've almost never seen bots in goon space, and have heard of 2(both of which got heavily trolled internally), so the question is effectively moot. Why would they bot with all that freaking tech? They make over 600 BILLION isk a month off of tech alone. Why would you bot when you make that much isk legitimately? One more edit: You know that Goons are not an EvE thing, right? They come from outside the game as a group, and follow the rules from outside to determine whats allowed in the alliance.
There should not be a loyalty issue where botters are concerned, if they want to be seen as trying to get rid of bots.
I am aware that the Goons are not just tied to this game but only because I've heard it before, there's other groups that do similar things.
Actually a Goon tried to recruit me once whilst I was in another player corp, did not take the offer even though he was not asking for isk. Mind you that was a few years back. |
Tallian Saotome
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Posted - 2012.02.17 11:34:00 -
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Sasha Azala wrote:There should not be a loyalty issue where botters are concerned, if they want to be seen as trying to get rid of bots. Loyalty to friends is loyalty to friends, period. If you don't understand that, I'm sorry for your life.
Quote:Actually a Goon tried to recruit me once whilst I was in another player corp, did not take the offer even though he was not asking for isk. Mind you that was a few years back. Goonwaffe, or one of the member corps? Member corps in GSF have their own rules, and as long as those rules don't violate the GSF rules(number one is, and always will be, Goons first) and in a few cases aren't really considered true goons(WI comes to mind, they have their own identity separate from Goons, and as such are WI first, Goons second).
Edit: feel free to like any of my posts, tbfh, I'm a total forum like *****. Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
Sasha Azala
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Posted - 2012.02.17 11:48:00 -
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Tallian Saotome wrote:Sasha Azala wrote:There should not be a loyalty issue where botters are concerned, if they want to be seen as trying to get rid of bots. Loyalty to friends is loyalty to friends, period. If you don't understand that, I'm sorry for your life. Quote:Actually a Goon tried to recruit me once whilst I was in another player corp, did not take the offer even though he was not asking for isk. Mind you that was a few years back. Goonwaffe, or one of the member corps? Member corps in GSF have their own rules, and as long as those rules don't violate the GSF rules(number one is, and always will be, Goons first) and in a few cases aren't really considered true goons(WI comes to mind, they have their own identity separate from Goons, and as such are WI first, Goons second). Edit: feel free to like any of my posts, tbfh, I'm a total forum like *****.
I understand loyalty, just not blind loyalty. Blind loyalty can make you as bad as them. Loyalty is a two way street accept it any other way and then you would be a fool.
It was actually the Goons themselves not one the associate corps, but like I said it was some years back.
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Tallian Saotome
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Posted - 2012.02.17 12:12:00 -
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Sasha Azala wrote:Tallian Saotome wrote:Sasha Azala wrote:There should not be a loyalty issue where botters are concerned, if they want to be seen as trying to get rid of bots. Loyalty to friends is loyalty to friends, period. If you don't understand that, I'm sorry for your life. Quote:Actually a Goon tried to recruit me once whilst I was in another player corp, did not take the offer even though he was not asking for isk. Mind you that was a few years back. Goonwaffe, or one of the member corps? Member corps in GSF have their own rules, and as long as those rules don't violate the GSF rules(number one is, and always will be, Goons first) and in a few cases aren't really considered true goons(WI comes to mind, they have their own identity separate from Goons, and as such are WI first, Goons second). Edit: feel free to like any of my posts, tbfh, I'm a total forum like *****. I understand loyalty, just not blind loyalty. Blind loyalty can make you as bad as them. Loyalty is a two way street accept it any other way and then you would be a fool. It was actually the Goons themselves not one the associate corps, but like I said it was some years back. You should totally try and get ahold of the person offering to sponsor you. Instead of sounding like a emo forum rage poster, you can see what they are really about, and make educated decisions from the inside.
If they aren't in GSF anymore, then you might look into joining one of the other CFC alliances(I hear TEST takes anybody who can stand to listen to their comms) and educate yourself on all the various cultures there. Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
Sasha Azala
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Posted - 2012.02.17 12:21:00 -
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Tallian Saotome wrote:Sasha Azala wrote:Tallian Saotome wrote:Sasha Azala wrote:There should not be a loyalty issue where botters are concerned, if they want to be seen as trying to get rid of bots. Loyalty to friends is loyalty to friends, period. If you don't understand that, I'm sorry for your life. Quote:Actually a Goon tried to recruit me once whilst I was in another player corp, did not take the offer even though he was not asking for isk. Mind you that was a few years back. Goonwaffe, or one of the member corps? Member corps in GSF have their own rules, and as long as those rules don't violate the GSF rules(number one is, and always will be, Goons first) and in a few cases aren't really considered true goons(WI comes to mind, they have their own identity separate from Goons, and as such are WI first, Goons second). Edit: feel free to like any of my posts, tbfh, I'm a total forum like *****. I understand loyalty, just not blind loyalty. Blind loyalty can make you as bad as them. Loyalty is a two way street accept it any other way and then you would be a fool. It was actually the Goons themselves not one the associate corps, but like I said it was some years back. You should totally try and get ahold of the person offering to sponsor you. Instead of sounding like a emo forum rage poster, you can see what they are really about, and make educated decisions from the inside. If they aren't in GSF anymore, then you might look into joining one of the other CFC alliances(I hear TEST takes anybody who can stand to listen to their comms) and educate yourself on all the various cultures there.
Emo rage poster? Nothing to emo rage about.
I don't have any ill intent towards the Goons or their associates, I do think some of their actions can be counter productive to the game though. But I'm sure some people will have a different view, people are people after all. |
Tallian Saotome
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Posted - 2012.02.17 12:35:00 -
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Sasha Azala wrote:Emo rage poster? Nothing to emo rage about.
I don't have any ill intent towards the Goons or their associates, I do think some of their actions can be counter productive to the game though. But I'm sure some people will have a different view, people are people after all. Sorry if that emo rage poster bit didn't come across quite right. Your first few posts came across that way, tho subsequently you have shown yourself to be rational and able to discuss it clearly.
I say join another CFC alliance because it will allow you to see whats going on first hand, and considering the only REAL rule in the CFC is that everybody fights, you are bound to find an alliance or corp with a culture that suits you.
Its not like CFC alliance never tell goons to go fly a kite when they make requests of us that run counter to alliance goals. But when the CFC calls for a coalition wide invasion or defense, every alliance contributes, or can leave the coalition.
Or do like some other alliance ha done and fly 13 freighters through someone elses JB network, then complain when its out of fuel Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
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