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Emmy Mnemonic
Loki's Marauders Dragoons.
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Posted - 2012.02.14 21:43:00 -
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Nice work CCP!
But now that you've made the client and UI gooder, when will you start making it cooler and more "sci-fi"!?
As it is now it's kind-of 80-s style on all the HMI (Human Machine Interface) presented to the capsuleer. Now the simulated 3D-world of EVE is extremely nicely done so don't misunderstand me! its the lists, menu-systems and all that which I find very old-fashioned. I mean - text lists...30000 years into the future...really!
A futuristic sci-fi tactical display overlay with combined sensor-data from the directional scanner and from the WVR (Within Visual Range - i.e. overview) would be nice!
And, for the SAKE OF GOD, if you ever do somthing in that direction, PLEASE keep the current old clunky 80-s style HMI as a configureable option for all those EVE-bittervetsGäó out there... |
Sarmatiko
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Posted - 2012.02.14 21:51:00 -
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Small lasers on Maelstrom? Seriously, CCP? |
Tarsas Phage
Pain Delivery.
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Posted - 2012.02.14 22:00:00 -
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Chribba wrote:I'd like to see a text only client, a low-memory client for the chatty geeks hehe
I'd be all for that as long as it uses vi instead of emacs key bindings.
:wq!
/T |
Karia Sur
Quay Industries
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Posted - 2012.02.14 22:10:00 -
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Will any of the changes/improvements to the overview/ui result in our existing saved settings been reset? |
BeanBagKing
Terra Incognita Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2012.02.14 22:22:00 -
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Chribba wrote:I'd like to see a text only client, a low-memory client for the chatty geeks hehe There's already a text only client, but it's a hack you have to enable in the registry, here's a screenshot
http://i894.photobucket.com/albums/ac145/GarySqueak/26455760nn2.jpg |
Emmy Mnemonic
Loki's Marauders Dragoons.
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Posted - 2012.02.14 22:31:00 -
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Chribba probably classifies as an EVE-bittervetGäó ;-)
(In Swedish: Inget illa menat Chribba!)
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Shade Millith
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.02.14 22:48:00 -
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Quote:With the increased update rate, we made one super tiny functional change which youGÇÖll probably notice and hopefully like GÇô the sorting of the overview will lock when you hover over it. Previously it would freeze if you held your lock button, but with things moving around quicker it felt better to lock sooner than that.
I'm hoping there's an option to disable this. As I know I will find it glaringly annoying. Constantly moving my mouse cursor off the overview just to get it to sort again is not a good change for me.
Seriously. Don't do changes like this without having an option to disable it. |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2012.02.14 22:49:00 -
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Jas Dor wrote:Mechaet wrote:I wonder about secondary side effects from this. Don't get me wrong, it's great that the overview and brackets are getting some performance upgrades. But what they said about upping the hertz on the refresh of the data... I wonder if that will result in more load on the servers, and if the optimization thus far on the server side has been enough to accommodate (what appears to be) a simple timer change. Or is it the same data rate it had before, you just SEE the data 2.5x faster? Probably going to result in more cloaking ships getting ganked. 2.5 second refresh + 2 second human lag = MWD + Cloak trick works. Not sure it will anymore.
Actually it will enable bads to get more cloakies. The others did not use the overview to begin with (and so could instalock interceptors even before this patch).
Since bads are the huge majority, this change will result in massive outcry by the cloakies that now will be caught. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Rasz Lin
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Posted - 2012.02.14 22:57:00 -
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Currently Overview refresh triggers screen refresh/RMB focus lost ..erm, cant really put it into words.
Basically when I undock in Jita, click RMB in space and open Bookmarks menu it will VANISH after 2-5 resulting in me not clicking my bookmark in time and not warping. Happens everywhere, but is worst in places with a lot of people.
Now that you bumped refresh to 1Hz I suspect it will be impossible to use bookmarks in Jita :/
Did you by any chance fix ghost Overview readings? Like ships that stay on overview after you warped off grid and dissapear only after you change session or manually click Overview TAB triggering refresh?
Exciting news about UI windows. Does this mean they now use buffers and arent redrawn >50 times per second even when nothing changes in them?
How about Static hangar image? Any improvements there? Somehow it looks static, but eats 60% GPU, more than when Im undocked into 30 man grid. |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2012.02.14 23:00:00 -
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SXYGeeK wrote:
I've heard all kinds of stories from other pilots about how network latency is involved, and how sitting on a good connection in the UK a tackler is much more effective.
They are somewhat true. I had a corpie being able to instalock everything (including inties), he had a super-extra-low latency connection close to the server farm.
Tarsas Phage wrote:Chribba wrote:I'd like to see a text only client, a low-memory client for the chatty geeks hehe
I'd be all for that as long as it uses vi instead of emacs key bindings. :wq! /T
I am more inclined to WordStar 4 / Joe (Unix) key bindings, but VI is still good enough.
Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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GKFC
F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control
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Posted - 2012.02.14 23:09:00 -
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In this screenshot in the devblog:
http://cdn1.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/3122/3417/your_client_made_gooder_windowsset_5.png
What happens if you minimise all those windows with this patch? Will the Neocom have an aneurysm?
Because currently having everything minimise to the Neocom can be a pain... |
Ciar Meara
Virtus Vindice
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Posted - 2012.02.14 23:10:00 -
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faster brackets?
Faster brackets and faster overview with faster UI on top?
My god, my...god. - [img]http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/janus/ceosig.jpg[/img] [yellow]English only please. Zymurgist[/yellow] |
Celebris Nexterra
Lowsec Static
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Posted - 2012.02.15 00:24:00 -
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CCP Veritas for ******* World President!!! |
Katalin Eve
KC Eve
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Posted - 2012.02.15 00:40:00 -
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As a software developer, I'm actually interested in any gory details you could offer on how you improved things in the UI. EvE's UI shows a lot of data. Any fun war stories you can tell? |
Mioelnir
Cataclysm Enterprises Ev0ke
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Posted - 2012.02.15 01:26:00 -
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I will never get over those small laser Maelstroms the thin clients use in all the screenshots.
But awesome stuff. |
Richard Bong
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.02.15 01:59:00 -
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Awesome! [ASK] Me about drive by thread shitting! |
Fortune Foru
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.02.15 03:23:00 -
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I would love more elaboration of :
"Since the overview and brackets share a lot of code, we made them a bit faster by accident."
The word "accident" does make me a tad bit nervous. /me backups boot.ini file
Regardless, great job. Keep it coming! |
Xenoglossicist
Reaver Technologies Broken Chains Alliance
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Posted - 2012.02.15 03:30:00 -
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Fortune Foru wrote:I would love more elaboration of :
"Since the overview and brackets share a lot of code, we made them a bit faster by accident."
The word "accident" does make me a tad bit nervous. /me backups boot.ini file
Regardless, great job. Keep it coming!
It's simple code reuse - because Brackets use exactly the same methods and procedures as the Overview, by making Overview methods and procedures faster it makes Brackets faster too.
That said, it's never unwise keep backups - although it's usually when they DON'T say anything worrying that you need to be concerned. |
Skippermonkey
Tactical Knightmare
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Posted - 2012.02.15 04:03:00 -
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Nice pix
So i see that you removed lots of spikes...
Can you please add them to the Sansha ships, because they are in dire need of a buff
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Skippermonkey
Tactical Knightmare
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Posted - 2012.02.15 04:05:00 -
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/me looks at that cluttered CCP Overview
"You gonna finish those Estamel spawns?"
edit - I SEE WAT YOU DID THAR - YOU SNEAKED MONOCLES INTO A DEV BLOG POAST
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Sri Nova
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.02.15 04:06:00 -
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with updates like these reaction time will now be a factor in large engagements !! |
Averyia
The Nephilims Tactical Nuke
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Posted - 2012.02.15 04:59:00 -
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When the overview locks on mouse-over does that mean it doesn't update or that it doesn't resort? The important difference is that if it doesn't refresh, tactics such as priming weapons to insta-lock and point a decloaking ship will be slightly more difficult if the overview doesn't add the ship to the overview. If it only doesn't resort, then it merely appears at the bottom of the list until the cursor moves. All warfare is based on deception and logistics. Battles and soldiers are secondary priorities. |
Salpun
Paramount Commerce Tactical Invader Syndicate
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Posted - 2012.02.15 05:06:00 -
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Averyia wrote:When the overview locks on mouse-over does that mean it doesn't update or that it doesn't resort? The important difference is that if it doesn't refresh, tactics such as priming weapons to insta-lock and point a decloaking ship will be slightly more difficult if the overview doesn't add the ship to the overview. If it only doesn't resort, then it merely appears at the bottom of the list until the cursor moves. Its been answered above resorting does not happen but the info does get updated. only thing that has not been confirmed in thread is where broadcast targets show up on the overview. New ships will show up at the bottom of the list. |
Andrea Griffin
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Posted - 2012.02.15 06:00:00 -
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Team Gridlock and Slow Code go together like Beer and Sodastreams.
Thanks a ton; your hard work is always appreciated and affects all of us, from the newbiest of newbs to the most bitter of the bittervets. <3 It's not you guys who need to repair what has been broken, it's us. CCP Wrangler |
VonKolroth
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.02.15 07:04:00 -
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These are exactly the kinds of improvements I've wished you guys would make all these years <3. |
Natasha Pertrovich Aihaken
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.02.15 07:50:00 -
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leave it to CCP to fit lasers on a maelstrom |
Msgerbs
Imperial Assualt Guild
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Posted - 2012.02.15 07:56:00 -
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CCP Veritas wrote:Sascha Valieri wrote:Quote:With the increased update rate, we made one super tiny functional change which youGÇÖll probably notice and hopefully like GÇô the sorting of the overview will lock when you hover over it. Previously it would freeze if you held your lock button, but with things moving around quicker it felt better to lock sooner than that.
Does that mean, a new Target does not appear in the overview if I hover over it? Imagine a Gate you are on one side and a nother player is jumping through. Does he appear on that overview after decloaking when I hover over the overview or not? New objects show up at the bottom of the list and objects that leave get greyed out while sorting is locked. Same behavior as exists on TQ today if you hold down your lock key (ctrl by default). I love you, CCP Veritas! Just one more teensy little question... If somebody on the overview changes status (IE, from "don't shoot yet" to "TIME TO DIE!") will that update? I'd also like to know how broadcasted targets are treated if it's not too much trouble ;) as several people have asked already.
I guess I did notice warping onto grids was much smoother on sisi, though I didn't really pay attention. Consider my attention gotten, in a very good way :D Will you be tackling page loads next? (Market, corp/player bios, etc?) |
Abdiel Kavash
Paladin Order Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2012.02.15 08:03:00 -
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Quote:http://cdn1.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/3122/3417/your_client_made_gooder_windowsset_5.png Wait, you mean your UI doesn't look like this most of the time? What game are you playing?
I think I like the overview change. Sometimes you don't want to lock stuff, you just want to select something from a busy overview. Two use cases immediately come to my mind: 1) Warping off from Jita 4-4 undock to your destination stargate. 2) Assigning tags to many targets in PvE. Both are made an order of magnitude simpler by a still overview, and can't be done while holding the CTRL key.
However I would have made it a toggle in the options. [x] Freeze overview when hovering the cursor over it [ ] Freeze overview when a key is held [Configure key] |
Pinky Denmark
The Cursed Navy Important Internet Spaceship League
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Posted - 2012.02.15 10:40:00 -
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Okay this is damn epic - but plz don't lock the overview just because the mouse hoovers across it... Or at least make it an option to deselect? |
Lena Fischer
Nora Union
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Posted - 2012.02.15 11:20:00 -
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Nice to hear about these improvements. But please please don't focus too much on performance if you have a client team there already. There's so much (plus so much more) to be done in usability aspects. Better representing icons, window uniformity, visual window seperability, overview USABILITY (changing the settings is as counter-intutive, time-consuming and unnecessarily side-effect-loaded as it can get, while we're at it) to start with and so much more. |
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