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Gungankllr
Caldari STK Scientific M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:06:00 -
[1]
Edited by: Gungankllr on 10/10/2007 22:07:54
M.Pire has had a long history with the Band of Brothers alliance.
When the entirety of Eve was against BoB, we stayed blue.
When we went south to help them in their fight against their enemies, we stayed blue.
When we lost our space against their enemies in the North, we stayed blue.
When we went south to relocate and help them fight against their enemies, they wanted to charge us 6 Billion isk / Corp to live in their space and fight for them.
Wait, what?
See you in space.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnRwQjTYfGI
Eastbound and down, motherfrakkers.
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M0535
M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:07:00 -
[2]
Signed -------
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Trev Kachanov
STK Scientific M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:07:00 -
[3]
signed
Don't trip |
DeTox MinRohim
Madhatters Inc. M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:07:00 -
[4]
Signed ------ This sig space is Read-only ! omgalink - Online Skillsheet |
Velios
M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:07:00 -
[5]
Signed
M.Corp Capital Blueprint Facility |
Clay101
Caldari M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:07:00 -
[6]
Signed
Clay101 - M.Corp Director
Smacktalk Specialization Lvl 5
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Hecknar
Madhatters Inc. M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:08:00 -
[7]
signed
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Alex Tremayne
Lyrus Associates M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:08:00 -
[8]
/signed
Lyrus Associates' Diplomat Of Last Resort |
Delerium Primus
Old Folks Retirement Home
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:08:00 -
[9]
Ooo the drama - Super /signed
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Van Steiza
Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:08:00 -
[10]
Respect!
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Fata Mea
M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:09:00 -
[11]
Signed
--------------------------- Fata Mea US TZ Director M.CORP / MPIRE |
Yuto Kang
Asgard Schiffswerften Ev0ke
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:09:00 -
[12]
Sad to see loyality paid back like that. Good for you M.Pire, you'll find your own way. ___________________________
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Red Gabba
M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:09:00 -
[13]
/signed
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Ignatius Cynoid
Lyrus Associates M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:09:00 -
[14]
signed
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Tomcatt
Amarr STK Scientific M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:09:00 -
[15]
/signed.
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BININALOT
Madhatters Inc. M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:10:00 -
[16]
/signed
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Pobs
M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:10:00 -
[17]
Signed :-)
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SATAN
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:11:00 -
[18]
Good for you guys.
No one deserves to be treated like BoB treats its pets, its just sad that the majority don't realize it.
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sqat
Amarr M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:11:00 -
[19]
Signed, and then some.
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Lady Gothic
M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:11:00 -
[20]
signed o/
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Burlock Ironfist
M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:11:00 -
[21]
signed.
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mamolian
M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:11:00 -
[22]
Signed.
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Royaldo
Gallente KVA Noble Inc. Institute of Cooperative Education
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:13:00 -
[23]
O.o 6b pr week? pr what?
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The Mittani
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:13:00 -
[24]
Why hello there.
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niroshido
Caldari M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:14:00 -
[25]
SIGNED-----
let the fires burn the lands behind us as we march on through BOB space
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Alex Tremayne
Lyrus Associates M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:14:00 -
[26]
Originally by: Royaldo O.o 6b pr week? pr what?
That would be 6 bil isk.
Per week.
Per corp.
Go figure.
Lyrus Associates' Diplomat Of Last Resort |
End Yourself
Core Domination Big Bang Quantum
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:14:00 -
[27]
Edited by: End Yourself on 10/10/2007 22:15:33 Sometimes i wonder how ******** alot of peeps playing Eve are.
Must be enough willing to agree on terms like that around or BoB wouldn't even bother trying.
--- Fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity. |
Trelayne
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:14:00 -
[28]
signed |
Walt Flanagan
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:14:00 -
[29]
Welcome to the party, pal.
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Chirinako
Caldari KDM Corp Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:15:00 -
[30]
Heh. All i'm going to say is Good luck M.pire, you're a bunch of great guys. Shame if we end up fighting but what happens happens. Can't say I wouldn't be doing the same in your position.
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Jet Max
Gallente M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:15:00 -
[31]
Signed
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BININALOT
Madhatters Inc. M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:15:00 -
[32]
\o/
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KOTH Fluf
Caldari Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:16:00 -
[33]
Edited by: KOTH Fluf on 10/10/2007 22:17:04 Best move you guys ever made. Will be a honor to fight with you warriors.
Respect
Oh and signed!
Fluf CEO Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Korran Delan
STK Scientific M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:16:00 -
[34]
Signed
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Swanny231
KAOS. KA0S Theory
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:17:00 -
[35]
GL M-Pire glad to see you guys have seen the light
------------ This is my sig, there are many like this, but this one is mine ! Oh let's not forget I have been told I am the Token Black Guy Pfffft |
Kozak
Caldari The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:17:00 -
[36]
Wow, somebody woke up and actually realized they have self respect. Congrats guys.
Good to see some returning from the dark side.
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Cypher XIII
M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:17:00 -
[37]
Signed
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hangnoose
Caldari DAB RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:17:00 -
[38]
Like 40th in a epic thread
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Ehrine Ashbark
Lyrus Associates M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:17:00 -
[39]
Originally by: Alex Tremayne
Originally by: Royaldo O.o 6b pr week? pr what?
That would be 6 bil isk.
Per week.
Per corp.
Go figure.
Actually, it was per month, but still....
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WrathOfOprah
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:17:00 -
[40]
Better to die on your feet than live on your knees.
Respect.
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Satch Boogie
STK Scientific M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:18:00 -
[41]
Edited by: Satch Boogie on 10/10/2007 22:17:51 signed
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Fortior
STK Scientific M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:18:00 -
[42]
Whooo! /signed
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Royaldo
Gallente KVA Noble Inc. Institute of Cooperative Education
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:19:00 -
[43]
Originally by: Alex Tremayne
Originally by: Royaldo O.o 6b pr week? pr what?
That would be 6 bil isk.
Per week.
Per corp.
Go figure.
holy sheet! someone got a bloated ego? am i speaking about the fat lady? moneyshot in space? is it possible?
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Sehanine
Caldari Solitary Confinement
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:19:00 -
[44]
Banner owns Vid owns
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Straith
GALAXIAN RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:19:00 -
[45]
Edited by: Straith on 10/10/2007 22:19:42 /signed
(Just jumping on the sign wagon!)
Welcome back to the good side STK!
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Karuu
STK Scientific M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:19:00 -
[46]
/signed
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Haakkon
Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:19:00 -
[47]
Good luck guys. It's awesome to see people standing up to BoB.
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Atric
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:20:00 -
[48]
Signed.
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Garett McAndrew
Madhatters Inc. M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:21:00 -
[49]
/signed
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mamolian
M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:21:00 -
[50]
Edited by: mamolian on 10/10/2007 22:24:11 http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/9857/redswarmbannerio7.jpg
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Xin Yang
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:21:00 -
[51]
Signed.
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Cythrawl
Caldari Central Defiance
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:22:00 -
[52]
Interesting to hear that that'd come down the wire. I'd be ticked too.
The only really questionable thing I have to say about this whole announcement would be:
Isn't BOB actually in the (south)west?
Eh, could have been a better announcement idea.
=+=+=+=+=+=+=
Originally by: Black Torment OH GOD, DROWNING IN TINFOIL.
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Lucre
STK Scientific M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:22:00 -
[53]
Some people get paid to fight for others - they are called mercenaries.
Some people expect others to pay through the nose to fight for them - they are called idiots.
Sorry, BoB, I can't see the idea of anti-mercenaries catching on really... |
Charly Quickfire
STK Scientific M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:23:00 -
[54]
/signed
MC and BoB FC quality is hot stuff and I would have liked to fly under their command, but I already pay rent in RL. |
y'gryd
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:23:00 -
[55]
SIGNED !!
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James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:23:00 -
[56]
It's hard. Sometimes you see a banner, that's just so cool, you just have to use it. -- Crane needs more grid 249km locking? GMP and TNP |
ivendo
Gallente Madhatters Inc. M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:24:00 -
[57]
/signed
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Golden Helmet
Caldari Finite Horizon Synchr0nicity
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:24:00 -
[58]
Much respect. Give 'em hell
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Psilocin
Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:24:00 -
[59]
OH SNAP
FOFOFOOOOO! |
Caile Sathinor
Gallente No Quarter. Vae Victis.
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:25:00 -
[60]
I for one, welcome my new M.PIRE allies down south.
It'll be fun to see you guys again. /waves at Wei Xiao
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gicaduru
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:25:00 -
[61]
Edited by: gicaduru on 10/10/2007 22:25:07 Good move!
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aethyl
Minmatar STK Scientific M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:25:00 -
[62]
Signed
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Gama24
No Quarter. Vae Victis.
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:25:00 -
[63]
/signed
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g24 |
Abriana Overlord
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:25:00 -
[64]
signed. see you out there
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Xrensa
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:25:00 -
[65]
I hear there's a lot of space in Feyth these days.
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Future Thing
Ninja Warriors of the Round Table
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:26:00 -
[66]
Edited by: Future Thing on 10/10/2007 22:25:50 I'm sure 99.9% of the BoB members knew nothing about this. Seems strange to condemn all your freinds in BoB because a couple of the people at the top of BoB made a bad judgement call.
Although you don't make clear in this whether you are activly hunting BoB.
As for "shafted by long term allies" Didn't M.Corp bail on LV when many corps were still fighting to help people get their assets out?
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Hrin
Minmatar Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:26:00 -
[67]
There's irony and karma in here somewhere...
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Fendragun
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:26:00 -
[68]
Edited by: Fendragun on 10/10/2007 22:26:41 this is stan velios
seriously wtf - getting jonny come lately posting for you?
EX-DICE CEO EX-ATUK Director EX-MACE CEO EX-Xanadu Officer |
Erik Amirault
Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:27:00 -
[69]
Good for you, Mpire. Respek ++
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Zzar
M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:28:00 -
[70]
/signed.
Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war!
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Mele
STK Scientific M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:29:00 -
[71]
signed
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Thin Sam
Madhatters Inc. M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:29:00 -
[72]
signed
----------------------------------------------- Loosing ships for BoB 2007-this post |
iceyreloaded
Amarr STK Scientific M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:30:00 -
[73]
Signed, Feel the love.
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T'Karr
Minmatar Union Of Xtreme Military M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:30:00 -
[74]
Not the first time Bob/MC have messed us around. I'm happy to be seeing BoB through a red haze :-)
(Besides, its about time we were on the winning side)
--
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End Yourself
Core Domination Big Bang Quantum
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:30:00 -
[75]
Originally by: Chirinako Heh. All i'm going to say is Good luck M.pire, you're a bunch of great guys. Shame if we end up fighting but what happens happens. Can't say I wouldn't be doing the same in your position.
Well let's imagine YOU weren't a BoB pet but a self-governed, autonomous being: You could decide yourself who to fight and who to be friends with. Scary, isn't it?
But well as it is, it's more like when i tell my dog to "bite", "let go".........
My dog doesn't have to pay rent though.
--- Fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity. |
Raem Civrie
Sons of Enelaise Enelaise
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:30:00 -
[76]
And a subdued, collective "WHOOPS" erupted from the west.
Good to see you on the other side of the Mason-Catch line.
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All roads lead to Catch |
Shamis Orzoz
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:31:00 -
[77]
Quality dramabomb.
Congrats on not becoming a bob pet.
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CEO Pyrex
DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:31:00 -
[78]
Gung, wassup homie? this sounds like drama, and goon dreads are fueled by pure unrefined drama....
paging sirlolle to the thread stat
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Oofig VanDoogan
The Knighthawks FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:31:00 -
[79]
Wow, didnt see that one coming
Here be carebears! |
Shadow Rat
M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:32:00 -
[80]
Edited by: Shadow Rat on 10/10/2007 22:32:19 Signed
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Chirinako
Caldari KDM Corp Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:32:00 -
[81]
Originally by: End Yourself
Originally by: Chirinako Heh. All i'm going to say is Good luck M.pire, you're a bunch of great guys. Shame if we end up fighting but what happens happens. Can't say I wouldn't be doing the same in your position.
Well let's imagine YOU weren't a BoB pet but a self-governed, autonomous being: You could decide yourself who to fight and who to be friends with. Scary, isn't it?
But well as it is, it's more like when i tell my dog to "bite", "let go".........
My dog doesn't have to pay rent though.
This dog/corp/alliance doesn't pay rent either, but thanks for your misinformed metaphor.
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Ardent Rellik
Gallente MURAKAMI INDUSTRIES
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:32:00 -
[82]
Usually do not post in CAOD... but I have been wondering how long it would take for BOB to abuse their friends to the point where they turn on them.
I guess M.Pire is fed up with the mushroom treatment and is out to get some well deserved payback.
Thing is, Goons & Co'/Southern Coalition are the greatest beneficiaries of this. And even if they had any animosity toward M.Pire and its former association with the BOB, this a clear PR win for them, I mean even if M.Pire would only retain half of its former members, still a big dent to BOB's reputation as a fair landlord.
If I was a political advisor of the Southern Coalition, I would suggest to use this incident and try to bring more members of The Alliance against BOB. Promise them that they could retain territory, not pay anything in tribute, and be their own masters, if only they joined the fight against BOB.
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George Clinton
Mothership Connection Inc. GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:32:00 -
[83]
hahahahahahahahah **** you bob
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SigmaPi
Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:33:00 -
[84]
It was an honor to fight you all, but I expect an even greater one to fly with you.
Respect.
SigmaPi Cutting Edge Incorporated Executive Commander RAZOR Alliance
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Mutant
UA Industry Red Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:33:00 -
[85]
Sh7t happens
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Nolan Stone
M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:33:00 -
[86]
Edited by: Nolan Stone on 10/10/2007 22:37:37 I endorse this product and/or service.
--------------------- Don't tase me, Bro! |
PC5
Bermuda Syndrome
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:33:00 -
[87]
Respect for M.Pire for that. Good luck in whatever you do.
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comrade christopher
Minmatar Pink Bunnies
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:34:00 -
[88]
do em as they moaned for it o7
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HIppy Angel
DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:35:00 -
[89]
Dont know if we will be blue or red with us but weldone for standing on your own M.Pire. |
Scaythe
M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:35:00 -
[90]
/signed
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Ivor Gunn
No One Expects The Spanish Inquisition
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:35:00 -
[91]
So, they stand by, take all the **** snra put them through, go up north, fight on bob's side with everything they have, probably save bob's arse by delaying the northern push for nigh on 6 months, get beaten back by a numerically superior force, and they're offered a ****ty position as sub-par pets?
I think even the staunchest bobbits should be reconsidering their position after this little stunt.
Might this just be the turning point?
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Flying DogbearRatcat
Advocates
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:35:00 -
[92]
Respect
o/
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WrathOfOprah
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:35:00 -
[93]
Originally by: Future Thing Edited by: Future Thing on 10/10/2007 22:25:50 I'm sure 99.9% of the BoB members knew nothing about this. Seems strange to condemn all your freinds in BoB because a couple of the people at the top of BoB made a bad judgement call.
Although you don't make clear in this whether you are activly hunting BoB.
As for "shafted by long term allies" Didn't M.Corp bail on LV when many corps were still fighting to help people get their assets out?
Well, now that all their "Friends" in BoB know that their leaders "made a bad judgment call", they should stick up for their friends and get them the space and respect they deserve. Or they'll keep their mouth shut. Also, BoB is not LV. It makes it Ironic that this happend, but it doesn't make BoB any less treacherous.
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Cythrawl
Caldari Central Defiance
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:36:00 -
[94]
I just refreshed the CAOD pages and found this to have jumped in posts dramatically.
This must be true for M.PIRE have joined the eastern bloc with their Goon-like threadnaught.
.:.
Originally by: Krazy Bitsch
Originally by: Virtuality In before the first troll.
i do believe you are too late for this.... |
BigDe
M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:36:00 -
[95]
Signed
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Baddias Mongo
Caldari Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:37:00 -
[96]
nice move M.Pire, gl
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Sacrosanctus
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:37:00 -
[97]
Holy crap, you guys aren't as ******** as I thought you were.
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Feek
STK Scientific M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:37:00 -
[98]
I've never ever said this before in a forum ever.
But I think it deserves it.
/signed
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Dose One
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:38:00 -
[99]
cripes.gif
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xBlood
Exanimo Inc Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:38:00 -
[100]
Always said you were a top bunch. This goes to prove it.
Respect ♥
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SamuraiJack
Caldari Celestial Horizon Corp. Valainaloce
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:38:00 -
[101]
Originally by: Gungankllr
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnRwQjTYfGI
Eastbound and down, motherfrakkers.
Toot. Toot.
Thongman just tagged u blue Gung.
Keep it on the ground and put that hammer down...
SJ. CLS CEO, Valainloce Executor and Standings Director =-
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Prydeless
Vengeance of the Fallen
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:38:00 -
[102]
nice
Disclaimer: I am a God. |
Krystian
Caldari No Quarter. Vae Victis.
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:39:00 -
[103]
Welcome freinds, you have seen the light! Good pilots be an honor to fight along side you.
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Hudsonn
Infinitus Odium The Church.
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:40:00 -
[104]
Respect. m.pire. o7 ___________________________
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Astarte Nosferatu
We Know Derek Derek Knows Us
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:41:00 -
[105]
Welcome to the Coalition.
signature removed - please email us to find out why - Jacques([email protected]) *snip* Do not discuss moderation in your sig - hutch |
ArmyOfMe
hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:41:00 -
[106]
good move guys even tho i am suprised at how bob treats those that have tried to help them
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Hmaon
STK Scientific M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:42:00 -
[107]
\о/
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RIPZeus
Gallente STK Scientific M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:42:00 -
[108]
/signed
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End Yourself
Core Domination Big Bang Quantum
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:42:00 -
[109]
Originally by: Chirinako
Originally by: End Yourself
Originally by: Chirinako Heh. All i'm going to say is Good luck M.pire, you're a bunch of great guys. Shame if we end up fighting but what happens happens. Can't say I wouldn't be doing the same in your position.
Well let's imagine YOU weren't a BoB pet but a self-governed, autonomous being: You could decide yourself who to fight and who to be friends with. Scary, isn't it?
But well as it is, it's more like when i tell my dog to "bite", "let go".........
My dog doesn't have to pay rent though.
This dog/corp/alliance doesn't pay rent either, but thanks for your misinformed metaphor.
Did i say that you and/or Fix has to? Anywhere?!?
Bob tells you what to do, who to "bite" and who to "let go". Just like pets in RL(which don't have to pay rent either iirc). Does Bob at least feed you well? Pet you once in a blue moon?
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Stoffer Ninjapirate
Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:42:00 -
[110]
BOB - Bringing back slavery, one alliance at a time.
Good to see you're not letting them screw you over. Welcome to the south.
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Gibidin
Requiem of Hades
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:42:00 -
[111]
GL!
6b / corp is a joke
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Trogdar Breg
Caldari STK Scientific M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:43:00 -
[112]
h'ookaayyyyy fooooooooooo!!!
\o/
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Gorjer
Itto-Ryu
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:43:00 -
[113]
Hi Vel!
Probably the most intresting move ever!? I think you guys were completely entitled to this move, even if it pains me as ex-SNRA. I'm pretty sure alot of ex-SNRA are upset as well, but at least they'll have proper targets now :P
GL guys, fly safe
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Kaleon
Gallente M. Corp
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:44:00 -
[114]
/signed
-Kal
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Annatar
The Galactic Empire SECUWAY.
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:44:00 -
[115]
I wanted to ask if ya sure and serious, but after 3 pages of confirmations i guess its true.
So far i thought its 6 bil per Alliance per Region, not for each corp. Maybe after all the years you deserved a specal price. ^^
/sarcasm off
Was fun to fly along with ya.
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Duke Grail
Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:44:00 -
[116]
Being removed from the north, may just end up being the best thing that could have happened for your alliance.
Welcome back to the south. good luck.
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EnacheV1
Hunters Agency Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:44:00 -
[117]
I'm curious to see how many people will be in your alliance in 1 week. Let's say 2 weeks. ------ Ofc "this is my opinion and not that of my Alliance".
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Tramlaw
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:45:00 -
[118]
signed
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Ivor Gunn
No One Expects The Spanish Inquisition
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:46:00 -
[119]
Originally by: EnacheV1 I'm curious to see how many people will be in your alliance in 1 week. Let's say 2 weeks.
I'm curious to see how many other bob pets think twice about their position now that bob have ****** over one of their msot supportive allies.
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KingB
The Red Dragoons
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:46:00 -
[120]
Edited by: KingB on 10/10/2007 22:47:31 burn bob burn
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CEO Pyrex
DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:46:00 -
[121]
Originally by: EnacheV1 I'm curious to see how many people will be in your alliance in 1 week. Let's say 2 weeks.
What you mean is
How many FREE people will be in this alliance in one week (all of them) as apposed to how many SLAVEs will be in your alliance in one week (all)
Just wanted to clear that up for you sports fan
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Allister Feind
V I R I I Center for Disease Creation
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:46:00 -
[122]
OMG!!! it's a trap! they are an alliance of bob spies and alts!
all kidding aside. good luck guys! I think even Gypsy would get a slight grin on his face over this news.
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Stamm
Amarr RHC RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:47:00 -
[123]
Originally by: EnacheV1 I'm curious to see how many people will be in your alliance in 1 week. Let's say 2 weeks.
I know a few people left STK, but I don't think it was a huge amount. I think they'll gain at max 20-50 old members back.
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Tholarim
Amarr Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:47:00 -
[124]
Edited by: Tholarim on 10/10/2007 22:47:37 I wonder if the STK leadership told everyone what really went down before the 6 billion fee was requested.
Maybe they shoulldn't have started mining and npcing in delve without asking the alliance owning said space.
Maybe Tomcatt was lying to me when i talked to him about this just this sunday/monday. And then actually proceeded to have a conversation with Goons about possibly joining the coalition the same day. Yes that last one really helped your situation.
If there's 1 thing i regret, is actually not setting you to negative becus we felt the actions of STK shouldn't affect the whole of Mpire alliance.
I be seeing you velios. 2nd time now. tsk tsk *snip* Signature unsuitable for forums. Please refrain from refering to ongoing investigations in your signature - Valorem |
Haargoth Agamar
Subach-Tech
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:48:00 -
[125]
Respect to BoB for screwing over M. Pire like they screwed over the rest of the new north. Your SIG is to big please reduce it to fit these limits
The size limits for signature graphics are as follows: Maximum height: 120 pixels Maximum width: 400 pixels Maximum file size: 24,000 bytes
Thanks - Hutch
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Erik Amirault
Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:48:00 -
[126]
Originally by: Tholarim Edited by: Tholarim on 10/10/2007 22:47:37BLAH BLAH BLURGFDKD
Stop talking. Forever.
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Graalum
Foundation R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:48:00 -
[127]
and the pendulum swings again...
Originally by: EnacheV1 I'm curious to see how many people will be in your alliance in 1 week. Let's say 2 weeks.
i'm going to guess two or three more corps.
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Dose One
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:49:00 -
[128]
Originally by: Dose One cripes.gif
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Bein Glorious
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:49:00 -
[129]
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Gungankllr
Caldari STK Scientific M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:49:00 -
[130]
Originally by: Tholarim Edited by: Tholarim on 10/10/2007 22:47:37 I wonder if the STK leadership told everyone what really went down before the 6 billion fee was requested.
Maybe they shoulldn't have started mining and npcing in delve without asking the alliance owning said space.
Maybe Tomcatt was lying to me when i talked to him about this just this sunday/monday. And then actually proceeded to have a conversation with Goons about possibly joining the coalition the same day. Yes that last one really helped your situation.
If there's 1 thing i regret, is actually not setting you to negative becus we felt the actions of STK shouldn't affect the whole of Mpire alliance.
I be seeing you velios. 2nd time now. tsk tsk
FAIL
Thanks for playing forums.
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Swamp Ziro
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:49:00 -
[131]
Originally by: Tholarim Edited by: Tholarim on 10/10/2007 22:47:37 I wonder if the STK leadership told everyone what really went down before the 6 billion fee was requested.
Maybe they shoulldn't have started mining and npcing in delve without asking the alliance owning said space.
Maybe Tomcatt was lying to me when i talked to him about this just this sunday/monday. And then actually proceeded to have a conversation with Goons about possibly joining the coalition the same day. Yes that last one really helped your situation.
If there's 1 thing i regret, is actually not setting you to negative becus we felt the actions of STK shouldn't affect the whole of Mpire alliance.
I be seeing you velios. 2nd time now. tsk tsk
This is exactly how you should talk to an ally c/d
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August Personage
Caldari Clarf Inc
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:50:00 -
[132]
wait wait wait. so you lose your space? after being given it by MC. then you come to BoB expecting some more, and cry when they want to charge you?
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Ivor Gunn
No One Expects The Spanish Inquisition
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:50:00 -
[133]
Originally by: Tholarim Maybe they shoulldn't have started mining and npcing in delve without asking the alliance owning said space.
Or maybe you shouldn't have ****** over a long term ally based on an old grudge and the actions of a group of members.
Or are we judging alliances by the actions of the few now?
Well, in that case.
You're a cheating scumbag and should throw yourself off a cliff.
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Evil Thug
Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:51:00 -
[134]
Originally by: EnacheV1 I'm curious to see how many people will be in your alliance in 1 week. Let's say 2 weeks.
Much more than in yours, pet.
Gl in your future, M.Pire. Even if we have long term war relationship
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Erik Amirault
Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:51:00 -
[135]
Originally by: August Personage wait wait wait. so you lose your space? after being given it by MC. then you come to BoB expecting some more, and cry when they want to charge you?
BoB alt spotted.
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Gorjer
Itto-Ryu
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:52:00 -
[136]
Tholarim how can you possable say that?
Like thats an excuse. Are you meaning to tell us that the reason why it was charged at 6bil a month per corp, is because some 'strong allies' went npcing in delve?
If so, thats pathetic
Because thats no excuse to loose an alliance that has supported you come rain or shine...
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Andargor theWise
Collateral Damage Unlimited Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:52:00 -
[137]
Originally by: WrathOfOprah Better to die on your feet than live on your knees.
This.
- Stop the Feature Glut: Take the API to the Next Level
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Delerium Primus
Old Folks Retirement Home
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:52:00 -
[138]
Originally by: August Personage wait wait wait. so you lose your space? after being given it by MC. then you come to BoB expecting some more, and cry when they want to charge you?
Get a clue
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Samuel Grey
Lyrus Associates M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:53:00 -
[139]
Signed
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WrathOfOprah
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:53:00 -
[140]
Originally by: Swamp Ziro
Originally by: Tholarim Edited by: Tholarim on 10/10/2007 22:47:37 I wonder if the STK leadership told everyone what really went down before the 6 billion fee was requested.
Maybe they shoulldn't have started mining and npcing in delve without asking the alliance owning said space.
Maybe Tomcatt was lying to me when i talked to him about this just this sunday/monday. And then actually proceeded to have a conversation with Goons about possibly joining the coalition the same day. Yes that last one really helped your situation.
If there's 1 thing i regret, is actually not setting you to negative becus we felt the actions of STK shouldn't affect the whole of Mpire alliance.
I be seeing you velios. 2nd time now. tsk tsk
This is exactly how you should talk to an ally c/d
C! With contempt and hatred. Burn Your Bridges! Burn them BRIGHT!
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Swamp Ziro
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:53:00 -
[141]
Originally by: Gorjer Tholarim how can you possable say that?
Like thats an excuse. Are you meaning to tell us that the reason why it was charged at 6bil a month per corp, is because some 'strong allies' went npcing in delve?
If so, thats pathetic
Because thats no excuse to loose an alliance that has supported you come rain or shine...
No you see, even if they **** up, they must never admit it. So they just try to spin this somehow to look like hard ass politics instead
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Tholarim
Amarr Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:53:00 -
[142]
Originally by: Gungankllr
Originally by: Tholarim Edited by: Tholarim on 10/10/2007 22:47:37 I wonder if the STK leadership told everyone what really went down before the 6 billion fee was requested.
Maybe they shoulldn't have started mining and npcing in delve without asking the alliance owning said space.
Maybe Tomcatt was lying to me when i talked to him about this just this sunday/monday. And then actually proceeded to have a conversation with Goons about possibly joining the coalition the same day. Yes that last one really helped your situation.
If there's 1 thing i regret, is actually not setting you to negative becus we felt the actions of STK shouldn't affect the whole of Mpire alliance.
I be seeing you velios. 2nd time now. tsk tsk
FAIL
Thanks for playing forums.
calling it fail doesn't make it less true. Training goon spammage lvl 5 allready now?
Good retort btw. *snip* Signature unsuitable for forums. Please refrain from refering to ongoing investigations in your signature - Valorem |
EnacheV1
Hunters Agency Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:53:00 -
[143]
Originally by: Evil Thug
Originally by: EnacheV1 I'm curious to see how many people will be in your alliance in 1 week. Let's say 2 weeks.
Much more than in yours, pet.
Gl in your future, M.Pire. Even if we have long term war relationship
There are no pets, only big and small alliances.
But for sure there are uneducated people. Like you. I'm sorry you had a bad childhood and your parents didn't loved you. ------ Ofc "this is my opinion and not that of my Alliance".
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Levka
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:54:00 -
[144]
signed
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August Personage
Caldari Clarf Inc
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:54:00 -
[145]
Originally by: Erik Amirault
Originally by: August Personage wait wait wait. so you lose your space? after being given it by MC. then you come to BoB expecting some more, and cry when they want to charge you?
BoB alt spotted.
i'm nothing to do with bob actually, imo they're gonna die eventually no matter what side m.pire sit on. whats hilarious is m.pire pretending that they're so hard done to, they failed epicly. they lost their space they didn't take themselves. so bob aren't willing to give them anymore just like that. its not slavery, its common sense. don't give alliances, who have not proven themselves worthy of it, space, without getting some immediate benefit from it.
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Erik Amirault
Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:55:00 -
[146]
Originally by: EnacheV1
Originally by: Evil Thug
Originally by: EnacheV1 I'm curious to see how many people will be in your alliance in 1 week. Let's say 2 weeks.
Much more than in yours, pet.
Gl in your future, M.Pire. Even if we have long term war relationship
There are no pets, only big and small alliances.
But for sure there are uneducated people. Like you. I'm sorry you had a bad childhood and your parents didn't loved you.
EvilThug doesn't have parents. He was spawned from the very fires of hell for one sole purpose- smiting pets.
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Cassandra Tremayne
Lyrus Associates M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:55:00 -
[147]
Signed
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CEO Pyrex
DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:56:00 -
[148]
Originally by: August Personage
Originally by: Erik Amirault
Originally by: August Personage wait wait wait. so you lose your space? after being given it by MC. then you come to BoB expecting some more, and cry when they want to charge you?
BoB alt spotted.
i'm nothing to do with bob actually, imo they're gonna die eventually no matter what side m.pire sit on. whats hilarious is m.pire pretending that they're so hard done to, they failed epicly. they lost their space they didn't take themselves. so bob aren't willing to give them anymore just like that. its not slavery, its common sense. don't give alliances, who have not proven themselves worthy of it, space, without getting some immediate benefit from it.
hmmm... the bob alt is strong with this one....
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Astarte Nosferatu
We Know Derek Derek Knows Us
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:56:00 -
[149]
Usually the deal is 6bil per month for a constellation. Renters are required to set up outposts as soon as possible to help develop their constellation. BoB deals with all major POS invasions, and renters are required to deal with roaming gangs and small incursions.
signature removed - please email us to find out why - Jacques([email protected]) *snip* Do not discuss moderation in your sig - hutch |
Gungankllr
Caldari STK Scientific M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:57:00 -
[150]
Originally by: Tholarim
Originally by: Gungankllr
Originally by: Tholarim Edited by: Tholarim on 10/10/2007 22:47:37 I wonder if the STK leadership told everyone what really went down before the 6 billion fee was requested.
Maybe they shoulldn't have started mining and npcing in delve without asking the alliance owning said space.
Maybe Tomcatt was lying to me when i talked to him about this just this sunday/monday. And then actually proceeded to have a conversation with Goons about possibly joining the coalition the same day. Yes that last one really helped your situation.
If there's 1 thing i regret, is actually not setting you to negative becus we felt the actions of STK shouldn't affect the whole of Mpire alliance.
I be seeing you velios. 2nd time now. tsk tsk
FAIL
Thanks for playing forums.
calling it fail doesn't make it less true. Training goon spammage lvl 5 allready now?
Good retort btw.
yes it does. I've played this game with you guys before, remember? All i have to do is hammer it over and over and over again and pretty soon it's truth, huh...
By the way, you still Fail. Go get Rebellion, your forum-fu is pathetic to 15 orders of magnitude.
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Jadzia Blue
Department of Truth Enhancement
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:57:00 -
[151]
BoB didn't want those allies anyway.
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Matrices Reborn
Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:57:00 -
[152]
BoB arrogance backfires?
This has never happened before.
Shocked - shocked.
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Bein Glorious
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:58:00 -
[153]
Originally by: EnacheV1
But for sure there are uneducated people. Like you.
Originally by: EnacheV1 I'm sorry you had a bad childhood and your parents didn't loved you.
Originally by: EnacheV1 your parents didn't loved you.
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Eragrostis
M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:58:00 -
[154]
Originally by: August Personage they lost their space they didn't take themselves. so bob aren't willing to give them anymore just like that
Space? Who cares about space. Just mere docking rights on the front line would have been great. So indeed, /signed
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WhatIsItGoodFor
Absolutely Nothin
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:58:00 -
[155]
This is an interesting development.
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Commander BlackJack
Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:58:00 -
[156]
respect for making this move
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mamolian
M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:59:00 -
[157]
Originally by: Tholarim
If there's 1 thing i regret, is actually not setting you to negative becus we felt the actions of STK shouldn't affect the whole of Mpire alliance.
Tholarim, life is far to short for regrets.. Feel free to set us -10 right now. Look forward to fighting against the best, perhaps something might rub off on a lowly grunt such as myself.
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Frogsley
Babylon. Combined Planetary Union
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:59:00 -
[158]
Woohoo! This means I don't have to shoot at your poses any more!
Go get em!
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lord dreadnought
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:59:00 -
[159]
props! signed :D have a nice day bob, lol
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VelvetBlue
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:59:00 -
[160]
/signed
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Future Thing
Ninja Warriors of the Round Table
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Posted - 2007.10.10 23:00:00 -
[161]
I think everyone needs to remember that...
Number of people posting in support =! How correct/right/truthful the post is.
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August Personage
Caldari Clarf Inc
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Posted - 2007.10.10 23:01:00 -
[162]
Originally by: CEO Pyrex
Originally by: August Personage
Originally by: Erik Amirault
Originally by: August Personage wait wait wait. so you lose your space? after being given it by MC. then you come to BoB expecting some more, and cry when they want to charge you?
BoB alt spotted.
i'm nothing to do with bob actually, imo they're gonna die eventually no matter what side m.pire sit on. whats hilarious is m.pire pretending that they're so hard done to, they failed epicly. they lost their space they didn't take themselves. so bob aren't willing to give them anymore just like that. its not slavery, its common sense. don't give alliances, who have not proven themselves worthy of it, space, without getting some immediate benefit from it.
hmmm... the bob alt is strong with this one....
its interesting that that is all you can come up with. i mean, i've presented a valid point, most of you guys were smacking m.pire previously along with the rest of the GBC for being ****, which they are. are you guys gonna now give m.pire space? hell ******* no (well, i'd hope not anyway :S), you don't give people who have proven that they cannot hold space, space.
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ReaperOfSly
Gallente Lyrus Associates M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.10 23:01:00 -
[163]
Holy Sh*t, this is a busy thread.
It's a pity because I respected BoB for a long long time. Ah well - let-downs happen. --------------------------------------------------------------------
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Stamm
Amarr RHC RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.10 23:01:00 -
[164]
Originally by: Jadzia Blue BoB didn't want those allies anyway.
Wins the thread?
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Fallen Buckshot
Amarr InQuest Ascension R i s e
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Posted - 2007.10.10 23:02:00 -
[165]
Originally by: mamolian
Originally by: Tholarim
If there's 1 thing i regret, is actually not setting you to negative becus we felt the actions of STK shouldn't affect the whole of Mpire alliance.
Tholarim, life is far to short for regrets.. Feel free to set us -10 right now. Look forward to fighting against the best, perhaps something might rub off on a lowly grunt such as myself.
But what will Darc/Spyra do now that he has no one else to chase ?
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Tholarim
Amarr Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.10.10 23:02:00 -
[166]
Edited by: Tholarim on 10/10/2007 23:02:42
Originally by: Gungankllr
Originally by: Tholarim
Originally by: Gungankllr
Originally by: Tholarim Edited by: Tholarim on 10/10/2007 22:47:37 I wonder if the STK leadership told everyone what really went down before the 6 billion fee was requested.
Maybe they shoulldn't have started mining and npcing in delve without asking the alliance owning said space.
Maybe Tomcatt was lying to me when i talked to him about this just this sunday/monday. And then actually proceeded to have a conversation with Goons about possibly joining the coalition the same day. Yes that last one really helped your situation.
If there's 1 thing i regret, is actually not setting you to negative becus we felt the actions of STK shouldn't affect the whole of Mpire alliance.
I be seeing you velios. 2nd time now. tsk tsk
FAIL
Thanks for playing forums.
calling it fail doesn't make it less true. Training goon spammage lvl 5 allready now?
Good retort btw.
yes it does. I've played this game with you guys before, remember? All i have to do is hammer it over and over and over again and pretty soon it's truth, huh...
By the way, you still Fail. Go get Rebellion, your forum-fu is pathetic to 15 orders of magnitude.
still not a retort to the actuall content of my post. Just more spam. Yes you play this forum game really well.
next you'll be bringing in titan kills into this discussion. *snip* Signature unsuitable for forums. Please refrain from refering to ongoing investigations in your signature - Valorem |
Ivor Gunn
No One Expects The Spanish Inquisition
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Posted - 2007.10.10 23:03:00 -
[167]
Edited by: Ivor Gunn on 10/10/2007 23:07:05
Originally by: August Personage You don't give people who have proven that they cannot hold space, space.
M. pire held their space for months on end in the face of well over 22 hostile alliances (almost all constantly attacking). To put it in context. There were usually no more than 3 alliances on the defending side. Fun was had by all, with a minimum of pos bashing, stacks of ganks on both sides and zero smack.
That, sir, is known as class. You might want to get some.
Originally by: Tholarim still not a retort to the actuall content of my post. Just more spam. Yes you play this forum game really well.
You ****** over the alliance who are probably the ones to have stood by you the longest besides FIX (who, lets face it, dont have any choice in the matter; half their leadership have bob alts/mains). They were willing to fight for you, and you're certainly in need of the help now razor and co have diverted their resources south.
The only conceivable reason you've sent them packing is your personal grudge against stk. Which, let's face it, is petty as ****; half of ASCN has ended up in bob.
So yeah, you've gotten your childish poke in at stk, but is initiating what is almost certainly the beginning of the end really worth it?
Too late now, anyway. We'll see in the coming months whether you were right.
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mamolian
M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.10 23:03:00 -
[168]
Originally by: Fallen Buckshot
Originally by: mamolian
Tholarim, life is far to short for regrets.. Feel free to set us -10 right now. Look forward to fighting against the best, perhaps something might rub off on a lowly grunt such as myself.
But what will Darc/Spyra do now that he has no one else to chase ?
We'll chase each other on alts!
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Snuggles theTerrible
Viper Squad
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Posted - 2007.10.10 23:04:00 -
[169]
There are no pets, only big and small alliances.
But for sure there are uneducated people. Like you. I'm sorry you had a bad childhood and your parents didn't loved you.
Fix has and will always be the lowest noselfrespect slave race in eve ... try as hard as u can but u will remain what u are and i fell sorry for u , but il do my best to eat all ur babyes so maybe one day i would stop the mass reproduction of bobitzslaves that grows whittin ur "bip" alliance...
Ontopic , gl hf guys hope ul get a decent war whit alot of fights .
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Feek
STK Scientific M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.10 23:05:00 -
[170]
Originally by: Ivor Gunn
Originally by: Tholarim Maybe they shoulldn't have started mining and npcing in delve without asking the alliance owning said space.
Or maybe you shouldn't have ****** over a long term ally based on an old grudge and the actions of a group of members.
Or are we judging alliances by the actions of the few now?
Well, in that case.
You're a cheating scumbag and should throw yourself off a cliff.
Oh man, this is a fantastic post and needs saving and repeating for future giggles.
Good work, nicely done --
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Kyguard
Fire Mandrill
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Posted - 2007.10.10 23:05:00 -
[171]
Wow, mpire - mad respect, I would have never seen it coming. And from the looks of it Thol's pretty ****ed too -
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Gnulpie
Minmatar Miner Tech
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Posted - 2007.10.10 23:05:00 -
[172]
Respect.
BoB maybe thought that they coould have treated you like all their other pets and that you lost all your self respect and dignity only because you lost some stations in the north against Razor/MM.
What a blunder!
Good to see that you are not blinded by the big woho-war-fofo. Self respect and resonable behaviour must never be sacrificed. This decision was absolutely right and no one needs to be a prohet to see that you will greatly benefit from this.
Get 'em
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Tassolhof
Quam Singulari
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Posted - 2007.10.10 23:06:00 -
[173]
signed/
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Stradiot
Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.10 23:06:00 -
[174]
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Hitman396
Caldari UK Corp
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Posted - 2007.10.10 23:09:00 -
[175]
Have fun guys, i know you will
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Clay101
Caldari M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.10 23:10:00 -
[176]
Originally by: August Personage its interesting that that is all you can come up with. i mean, i've presented a valid point, most of you guys were smacking m.pire previously along with the rest of the GBC for being ****, which they are. are you guys gonna now give m.pire space? hell ******* no (well, i'd hope not anyway :S), you don't give people who have proven that they cannot hold space, space.
Can't hold space? Do you not understand what MPIRE/Fatal/Cow had against us? Oh we can hold space buddy boy, we can hold space . . .
I'll just leave it at that.
Smacktalk Specialization Lvl 5
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dastommy79
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.10 23:10:00 -
[177]
SINCE THE M.PIRE THING WENT BAD CAN I HAVE SOME SPACE PLEASE AND PAY YOU TO BE MY FRIEND?!?!?!?!?
I would love nothing more than to pay someone besides ccp to play their video game.
I driks alots |
Orree
Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.10.10 23:11:00 -
[178]
Just wanted to say "well done" to Velios, Gungankillr and the rest of M.Pire's leadership.
When I posted in that other thread about "the 6bn" I didn't expect you guys would actually make the tough decision that was screaming to be made.
RAWR wishes you the best in your latest pursuits.
"How much easier it is to be critical than to be correct." ---Benjamin Disraeli |
Frygok
Minmatar Mean Anglo-Danes
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Posted - 2007.10.10 23:11:00 -
[179]
Originally by: Feek
Originally by: Ivor Gunn
Originally by: Tholarim Maybe they shoulldn't have started mining and npcing in delve without asking the alliance owning said space.
Or maybe you shouldn't have ****** over a long term ally based on an old grudge and the actions of a group of members.
Or are we judging alliances by the actions of the few now?
Well, in that case.
You're a cheating scumbag and should throw yourself off a cliff.
Oh man, this is a fantastic post and needs saving and repeating for future giggles.
Good work, nicely done
While I probably wouldn't have written it quite as harshly, this is still quite an interesting point. Are BoB now judging alliances by the acts of a minority within the alliance? Interesting stand to take, considering what has happened earlier.
Also, congrats to you M.PIRE. Not that I am particuarly for or against either side, but an alliance should never have to pay rent to another. As someone else said, better to die standing, than live kneeling (or whatever it was!).
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Ivor Gunn
No One Expects The Spanish Inquisition
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Posted - 2007.10.10 23:12:00 -
[180]
Originally by: August Personage for some reason, i don't think i'm going to take the advice of someone who recommends that other people should kill themselves, you're hardly presenting yourself as a particularly mentally balanced human being there.
Don't take my quote out of context. I said that as an equivalent to tholarim's post; he was judging the entirity of M. Pire on the actions of a few members. Bearing in mind they've been in delve for mere days, this isn't reasonable. I was providing a suitably unreasonable comment as a response.
k?
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Don Z0LA
Caldari TunDraGon
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Posted - 2007.10.10 23:12:00 -
[181]
Edited by: Don Z0LA on 10/10/2007 23:16:58 Edited by: Don Z0LA on 10/10/2007 23:15:42 BOB backstabbed so many friends till now, and people still didnt learned lesson :/
respect for standing up M.Pire
edit : spelling :/
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End Yourself
Core Domination Big Bang Quantum
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Posted - 2007.10.10 23:13:00 -
[182]
Edited by: End Yourself on 10/10/2007 23:13:59
Originally by: Chirinako Edited by: Chirinako on 10/10/2007 22:27:47 good luck
You MIGHT want to edit the other post where you quote the pre-edit version of this one yourself as well.
Should get to hear "good!" then.
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Ur235
The Illuminati. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.10.10 23:14:00 -
[183]
Respect <3
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Sith8
The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.10.10 23:14:00 -
[184]
Good move M.Pire.
Go make your own destiny, props for not accepting what BoB wanted you to have.
GL.
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Havoc GunStar
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.10 23:16:00 -
[185]
Originally by: Tholarim
Maybe they shoulldn't have started mining and npcing in delve without asking the alliance owning said space.
Oh **** guys, does this mean we owe back taxes?
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Xrensa
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.10 23:17:00 -
[186]
Originally by: Berrik Radhok well well if it isn't some losers, trying to come home again
you couldn't hack it in the south before so what makes you think you can now?
Stop posting.
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Fornacis
Gallente hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.10.10 23:17:00 -
[187]
Whoa.....
Respect!
/signed
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Ryushe
M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.10 23:17:00 -
[188]
Heh, Smokey and the Bandit ftw.
Also, /signed
----------------------- Vi veri veniversum vivus vici! |
Bein Glorious
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.10 23:17:00 -
[189]
Originally by: Berrik Radhok i'm a big idiot
god damn man |
Xrensa
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.10 23:18:00 -
[190]
Originally by: Xrensa
Originally by: Berrik Radhok well well if it isn't some losers, trying to come home again
you couldn't hack it in the south before so what makes you think you can now?
Stop posting.
What he said ^^^^
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Gneeznow
Minmatar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.10.10 23:18:00 -
[191]
interesting stuff, hi mamolian.
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Su'butai
Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.10 23:19:00 -
[192]
I'd post berrikradhok.jpg here but I lost it.
Picture a fat white guy with what he believes to be a Mexican moustache, that's Berrik.
(Berrik you suck)
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Johnfromshipping
Butcherbirds
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Posted - 2007.10.10 23:21:00 -
[193]
This is a very interesting developement. Maybe a year from now, this will be seen as the final political ***** that bursted the BoB dam wide open.
Or maybe not. Time will tell.
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Natas Dog
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.10 23:21:00 -
[194]
I'd be a damn liar if I said I saw this one coming. Was fun kicking you guys out of the southeast, it'll be even more fun working with you guys kicking BoB out of the west.
_______________________________________________________________ He who laughs last... is usually the one the joke was about. |
Nolan Stone
M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.10 23:22:00 -
[195]
Originally by: Berrik Radhok -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- well well if it isn't some losers, trying to come home again
you couldn't hack it in the south before so what makes you think you can now? --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Sigh. Stuff like this made the decision harder than it should've been.
--------------------- Don't tase me, Bro! |
Aquemini Amarr
Amarr coracao ardente Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.10.10 23:23:00 -
[196]
Nice change of direction. Lo Feekles o/
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August Personage
Caldari Clarf Inc
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Posted - 2007.10.10 23:23:00 -
[197]
Originally by: Ivor Gunn
Originally by: August Personage for some reason, i don't think i'm going to take the advice of someone who recommends that other people should kill themselves, you're hardly presenting yourself as a particularly mentally balanced human being there.
Don't take my quote out of context. I said that as an equivalent to tholarim's post; he was judging the entirity of M. Pire on the actions of a few members. Bearing in mind they've been in delve for mere days, this isn't reasonable. I was providing a suitably unreasonable comment as a response.
k?
there is a considerable difference between assuming you will be welcomed with open arms into the south and then being told its not quite that easy, after you've obviously allowed your members to think it will be easy (and as such they've already started ratting/mining where they shouldn't be), and the actions of one person doing something despicable within a game. one is within the game mechanics and thus should be punished ingame, and taken out on the members, the other is not within the game mechanics, and thus punishment should be (and was) enacted out of game, and not on the corp members.
call it insurance, bob perhaps isn't willing to accept m.pire into the south without some kind of evidence that they won't turn round and do something exactly like this x number of days down the line, or fold completely in a matter of weeks.
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Emerald Cox
Sensus Numinis Phoenix Allianz
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Posted - 2007.10.10 23:23:00 -
[198]
oh yes =) sounds like interesting fights coming up again
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EnacheV1
Hunters Agency Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.10.10 23:24:00 -
[199]
Originally by: Snuggles theTerrible
There are no pets, only big and small alliances.
But for sure there are uneducated people. Like you. I'm sorry you had a bad childhood and your parents didn't loved you.
Fix has and will always be the lowest noselfrespect slave race in eve ... try as hard as u can but u will remain what u are and i fell sorry for u , but il do my best to eat all ur babyes so maybe one day i would stop the mass reproduction of bobitzslaves that grows whittin ur "bip" alliance...
Ontopic , gl hf guys hope ul get a decent war whit alot of fights .
You don't get it do you ? This isn't about alliances in eve , it's about the lack of education of some kids that spend to much time in this game. ------ Ofc "this is my opinion and not that of my Alliance".
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Su'butai
Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.10 23:25:00 -
[200]
Originally by: Nolan Stone
Sigh. Stuff like this made the decision harder than it should've been.
Just ignore everything he says, it's what we do.
(Seriously Berrik I hate you)
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Swamp Ziro
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.10 23:26:00 -
[201]
Originally by: Nolan Stone Originally by: Berrik Radhok -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- well well if it isn't some losers, trying to come home again
you couldn't hack it in the south before so what makes you think you can now? --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Sigh. Stuff like this made the decision harder than it should've been.
Well it *is* goonfleet after all
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Orangir
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.10 23:26:00 -
[202]
Originally by: Nolan Stone Sigh. Stuff like this made the decision harder than it should've been.
Don't worry about Berrik, I think all of us hate his posting
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Sir James
Gallente GALAXIAN RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.10 23:27:00 -
[203]
I don't like STK.. havn't since RULE..*****y "Insert Random @sshole remarks here"
I Still Don't
BUT.. damn guys, u moved a notch up :P GJ.. welcome to the real fight
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niroshido
Caldari M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.10 23:28:00 -
[204]
hats off to our leaders, there is nothing more fun than seeing vengence being served on a plate full of T2 ammo and lasers
now lets all dance the dance of death
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Indius Lux
M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.10 23:29:00 -
[205]
/signed
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Apophis Omega
Amarr STK Scientific M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.10 23:29:00 -
[206]
Originally by: Astarte Nosferatu Usually the deal is 6bil per month for a constellation. Renters are required to set up outposts as soon as possible to help develop their constellation. BoB deals with all major POS invasions, and renters are required to deal with roaming gangs and small incursions.
We must be special than. We were told 6b per corp per month. With no real gaurrentes that that BoB could deal with said pos invasion.
Anyway I officially sign this thread and purchase a giant secure can for my BoB corpses (MC corpses will be contracted to their owners). Got me a large load from RZR/co up north (miss you guys, no seriously I do, you guys were fun). -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Helen
MASS Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service
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Posted - 2007.10.10 23:29:00 -
[207]
<3 STK
First pod pilot to lose a Mothership in EvE... err woo |
cruxix
M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.10 23:30:00 -
[208]
signed.
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Robet Katrix
Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.10.10 23:30:00 -
[209]
i really liked M.Pire too :(
--------- -Vily
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Tomcatt
Amarr STK Scientific M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.10 23:30:00 -
[210]
Tholarim you want to say something about the chain of events? Lets, please.
We came down to help you. We came down to fight along side of you despite our past history. We were there to support you.
NO ONE in STK mined a single roid. Maybe a couple of guys shot a rat or two in an NPC station system BEFORE you talked to me, but not after.
My guys were our roaming with Bob and came back to dock for the night and were locked out. They were there when FAT fell, but couldn't dock. This is how you treat your allies? Toss on top of that the 42b for M.Pire each month? That offer came before the lockouts, so what? You were pressuring us into taking it?
M.PIRE doesn't owe you a damn thing.
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Bein Glorious
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.10 23:30:00 -
[211]
Originally by: Fortior
Originally by: Nolan Stone Originally by: Berrik Radhok -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- well well if it isn't some losers, trying to come home again
you couldn't hack it in the south before so what makes you think you can now? --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Sigh. Stuff like this made the decision harder than it should've been.
The original quote is a good example of the backwards Goonie-humor. It takes a while to get used to, but after a safari or two out on the great Forum savannahs you start to pick it up.
The joke is, plainly put, to post something insulting about an ally or corpmate that an enemy, in this case most likely a Bobbit/Bobbit alt, was going to post. You steal his post while your own corpmates mock you for your poor forum skills. This is of course intended to target the would-be-smacker, that now is smack-less and in quite a backwards way, humiliated (if that poster even recognizes it that is).
no, berrik was for real
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dastommy79
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.10 23:31:00 -
[212]
Think this could be M.PIRE's new theme song :)
SirMolle> Pretty sure i ****ed up bad here
I driks alots |
Ivor Gunn
No One Expects The Spanish Inquisition
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Posted - 2007.10.10 23:31:00 -
[213]
Originally by: August Personage stuff
So you ARE a bob alt. How quaint.
Face it - bob leadership screwed over an ally, their longest standing ally who's still left besides fix.
No alliance should do that, ever. Justifying it on "a few members npcing in our systems" is utter bull****. That is the kind of day to day crap that is dealt with by CEOs and never escalates.
M. fought day in, day out, always in favour of bob and always defending their interests. BoB have no proceeded to tell them to go **** themselves.
Now, either there's some loltasmically huge drama bomb we're all missing as to why they've been ****** over, or BoB have (yet again) back stabbed a friend for the most petty of reasons; a couple of idiots ratting where they shouldnt be, and a year-old grudge that was long since buried by all the other parties.
Doing this, i can tell you as a fact, has alienated the ground-level grunts who make up the rank and file of bob's forces outside of BoB itself. Intel channels on both sides are rampant with "wtf are they doing?!", the RSF have gained a massive morale boost, and the majority of the GBC is wondering why they're even bothering to stay with bob in this war.
Let's face it - M. could have gone anywhere, yet this action has galvanised Velios and his boys to the point where they're fighting WITH RA. Anyone who's ever worked with m. corp in the past knows exactly how much these two entities hate each other.
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Charly Quickfire
STK Scientific M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.10 23:31:00 -
[214]
Originally by: Tholarim Maybe they shoulldn't have started mining and npcing in delve without asking the alliance owning said space.
I apologize, but the second I saw veldspar in Delve, my Flycatcher dropped a bubble, my Astarte started mining and my Thanatos hauled back to station. Unfortunately I did not have a Megathron yet to bump the roids from behind :( |
Stradiot
Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.10 23:32:00 -
[215]
Originally by: Bein Glorious
Originally by: Fortior
Originally by: Nolan Stone Originally by: Berrik Radhok -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- well well if it isn't some losers, trying to come home again
you couldn't hack it in the south before so what makes you think you can now? --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Sigh. Stuff like this made the decision harder than it should've been.
The original quote is a good example of the backwards Goonie-humor. It takes a while to get used to, but after a safari or two out on the great Forum savannahs you start to pick it up.
The joke is, plainly put, to post something insulting about an ally or corpmate that an enemy, in this case most likely a Bobbit/Bobbit alt, was going to post. You steal his post while your own corpmates mock you for your poor forum skills. This is of course intended to target the would-be-smacker, that now is smack-less and in quite a backwards way, humiliated (if that poster even recognizes it that is).
no, berrik was for real
he is intensely stupid
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finnegan
M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.10 23:32:00 -
[216]
Originally by: Fortior The joke is, plainly put, to post something insulting about an ally or corpmate that an enemy, in this case most likely a Bobbit/Bobbit alt, was going to post. You steal his post while your own corpmates mock you for your poor forum skills. This is of course intended to target the would-be-smacker, that now is smack-less and in quite a backwards way, humiliated (if that poster even recognizes it that is).
It took a couple of reads, but got to say I like your style
oh, and btw
/signed
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Cornette
Gallente M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.10 23:32:00 -
[217]
Signed
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Jags
Minmatar M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.10 23:34:00 -
[218]
I have no ****in idea what this is about but I was told to do this
/signed
Anyone wanna tell me ?
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duckmonster
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.10 23:34:00 -
[219]
Edited by: duckmonster on 10/10/2007 23:35:13 Edited by: duckmonster on 10/10/2007 23:34:45
Originally by: Nolan Stone Originally by: Berrik Radhok -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- well well if it isn't some losers, trying to come home again
you couldn't hack it in the south before so what makes you think you can now? --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Sigh. Stuff like this made the decision harder than it should've been.
Mate, you should know by now that none of the Goons , perhaps bar Sesfan, Mittani, Tolon and Vile Rat , speak for anyone but themselves.
And your always welcome to tell a goon to stop posting.
Most of us are happy that you've made the right decision. Every gun helps. ----------- HI IM DUCKMONSTER |
Bein Glorious
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.10 23:34:00 -
[220]
Originally by: EnacheV1
spend to much time in this game.
too* |
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Frogzuk
Dragonian Freelancers KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.10 23:35:00 -
[221]
well this one took me by surprise
but good luck mpire
DGF website Killboard |
Snuggles theTerrible
Viper Squad
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Posted - 2007.10.10 23:36:00 -
[222]
You don't get it do you ? This isn't about alliances in eve , it's about the lack of education of some kids that spend to much time in this game.
This topic is about eve , u post about eve , u are a SLAVE in a VIRTUAL GAME , yes u might have more education then i do but still being a SLAVE IN A VIRTUAL GAME would make u a very sad pathetic human in real life , owned end of story .
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SamuraiJack
Caldari Celestial Horizon Corp. Valainaloce
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Posted - 2007.10.10 23:36:00 -
[223]
Originally by: Helen <3 STK
/me abuses Helen in that *special* way :P
SJ. CLS CEO, Valainloce Executor and Standings Director =-
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Celestial Necromancer
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Posted - 2007.10.10 23:36:00 -
[224]
/signed!
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Taj Zela
Minmatar Haha It Is To Laugh
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Posted - 2007.10.10 23:37:00 -
[225]
Originally by: Tomcatt Toss on top of that the 42b for M.Pire each month?
Math 4tl apparently
Even though an m.pire guy said it was 6B/month, not 6B a week, where is there 7 weeks in a month? You got some sweet calander there dude.
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Murukan
Minmatar Dark Knights of Deneb Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.10.10 23:37:00 -
[226]
Originally by: EnacheV1
You don't get it do you ? This isn't about alliances in eve , it's about the lack of education of some kids that spend to much time in this game.
Lol classy post. When you find yourself in a pathetically weak alliance that has had to rely on big brother for the past 2 years to keep it's ass afloat, what's the best way to continue?? By making out of game insults!!! You rock guy you rock!
Manlove by Zaphod Jones
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Su'butai
Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.10 23:40:00 -
[227]
Originally by: Taj Zela
Originally by: Tomcatt Toss on top of that the 42b for M.Pire each month?
Math 4tl apparently
Even though an m.pire guy said it was 6B/month, not 6B a week, where is there 7 weeks in a month? You got some sweet calander there dude.
6B/corp - Take out the obvious alt corps in M.Pire and you're left with 7 corps - 7x6 = 42
Isn't math fun?
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Grimpak
Gallente Trinity Nova KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.10 23:41:00 -
[228]
oh my.
oh and hi TC! ---
planetary interaction idea! |
Aquemini Amarr
Amarr coracao ardente Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.10.10 23:42:00 -
[229]
Edited by: Aquemini Amarr on 10/10/2007 23:42:34 Edited by: Aquemini Amarr on 10/10/2007 23:42:05
Originally by: Taj Zela
Originally by: Tomcatt Toss on top of that the 42b for M.Pire each month?
Math 4tl apparently
Even though an m.pire guy said it was 6B/month, not 6B a week, where is there 7 weeks in a month? You got some sweet calander there dude.
Wasn't going to post again but the irony was killing me :P
(Hint multiply 6*7 (the number of corps M.Pire has ))
EDIT: Bleh, beaten by everyone :S
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Natas Dog
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.10 23:42:00 -
[230]
Originally by: Taj Zela
Originally by: Tomcatt Toss on top of that the 42b for M.Pire each month?
Math 4tl apparently
Even though an m.pire guy said it was 6B/month, not 6B a week, where is there 7 weeks in a month? You got some sweet calander there dude.
You must have missed the 6b per corp per month figure. Reading comprehension 4tl apparently.
_______________________________________________________________ He who laughs last... is usually the one the joke was about. |
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Puncher
hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.10.10 23:43:00 -
[231]
Glad to hear this Gun, based on our history of conflict I think you'll be a big handful for whomever is on your hitlist.
Maybe we'll pew-pew on the same team one of these days??
hirr Morsus Mihi |
WraithFire
Cassandra's Light Dark Matter Coalition
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Posted - 2007.10.10 23:43:00 -
[232]
Well my respect to M.PIRE for waking up and seeing what BoB is really like. Like the old saying, "It is better late than never."
Show em hell!!!
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Carebears? Where?
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Central Scrutinizer
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.10 23:43:00 -
[233]
Good move, M.Pire.
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EnacheV1
Hunters Agency Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.10.10 23:44:00 -
[234]
Originally by: Murukan
Originally by: EnacheV1
You don't get it do you ? This isn't about alliances in eve , it's about the lack of education of some kids that spend to much time in this game.
Lol classy post. When you find yourself in a pathetically weak alliance that has had to rely on big brother for the past 2 years to keep it's ass afloat, what's the best way to continue?? By making out of game insults!!! You rock guy you rock!
The conclusion about your uneducated and frustrated leader it's based on observation that i made in the past months.
Throwing insults left and right, in a frickin space game.
As i said i'm really sorry, it must be hard for him. ------ Ofc "this is my opinion and not that of my Alliance".
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Tonkin
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.10.10 23:44:00 -
[235]
bob stoop that low, doesnt supprise me, i'll be wouldnt be suprised if there arigance destroys them.
never seen a massive backstaping in eve in my career.
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Future Thing
Ninja Warriors of the Round Table
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Posted - 2007.10.10 23:44:00 -
[236]
Originally by: Murukan
Originally by: EnacheV1
You don't get it do you ? This isn't about alliances in eve , it's about the lack of education of some kids that spend to much time in this game.
Lol classy post. When you find yourself in a pathetically weak alliance that has had to rely on big brother for the past 2 years to keep it's ass afloat, what's the best way to continue?? By making out of game insults!!! You rock guy you rock!
I think this whole "you need allies to survive" thing is just pathetic, there is not a single alliance in the game that can stand alone against another alliance and their freinds. So FIX needed help from other alliances when IAC and AAA attacked them? Thats not really a suprise is it...
Would AAA survive if BoB attacked them 1on1? Would AAA survive if BoB and freinds attacked them? Maybe for the former, but for the latter no, not unless you had allies to help you survive.
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dralid maximus
M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.10 23:46:00 -
[237]
Signed !
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ZedLey
Black Lance Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.10.10 23:46:00 -
[238]
You guys fight well in north, glad to see you find your own way in the south now |
cruxix
M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.10 23:47:00 -
[239]
Actually its a little know fact... molle traded us to the goons for CA...
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Apophis Omega
Amarr STK Scientific M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.10 23:49:00 -
[240]
Edited by: Apophis Omega on 10/10/2007 23:49:28
Originally by: Su'butai
Originally by: Taj Zela
Originally by: Tomcatt Toss on top of that the 42b for M.Pire each month?
Math 4tl apparently
Even though an m.pire guy said it was 6B/month, not 6B a week, where is there 7 weeks in a month? You got some sweet calander there dude.
6B/corp - Take out the obvious alt corps in M.Pire and you're left with 7 corps - 7x6 = 42
Isn't math fun?
Thank god he posted with an alt or it could be bad for his main.
Edit: To the MM and rzr guys. I hate being friendly to you, you guys were so much fun. -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Dread4Life
Minmatar Onyx Brotherhood M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.10 23:49:00 -
[241]
Onyx Brotherhood says nope to dope and ug to BOB
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Kryztal
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.10.10 23:49:00 -
[242]
Originally by: Tomcatt Tholarim you want to say something about the chain of events? Lets, please.
We came down to help you. We came down to fight along side of you despite our past history. We were there to support you.
NO ONE in STK mined a single roid. Maybe a couple of guys shot a rat or two in an NPC station system BEFORE you talked to me, but not after.
My guys were our roaming with Bob and came back to dock for the night and were locked out. They were there when FAT fell, but couldn't dock. This is how you treat your allies? Toss on top of that the 42b for M.Pire each month? That offer came before the lockouts, so what? You were pressuring us into taking it?
M.PIRE doesn't owe you a damn thing.
WTS math skills. It was a standard rent agreement (6billion exclusive const for all of m.pire) that was on the table after getting told to **** off and mind our own buisness when STK was ratting in our home constellation. "oh im not ratting im just testing my sniper setup" lol If your leadership had come to us and asked first we wouldnt have had any problem with M.Pire getting themselves sorted but our space is our space and if you were so called "good allies" you would have respected that and asked insted of just taking.
We are arrogant and our allies and friends know that, we also show respect to those that show us respect. We gave m.pire our respect and got nothing but smack back. With attitude like that your better suited on the other side anyway.
Nice to see Gungan's back in the "mr ASCN's head forum poster guy" position.
- for the MOTHERLAND! -
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Natas Dog
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.10 23:50:00 -
[243]
Originally by: cruxix Actually its a little know fact... molle traded us to the goons for CA...
I like you, you can come over to my house and **** my sister.
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Shatana Fulfairas
Gallente Celestial Horizon Corp. Valainaloce
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Posted - 2007.10.10 23:51:00 -
[244]
Edited by: Shatana Fulfairas on 10/10/2007 23:53:09
Originally by: cruxix Actually its a little know fact... molle traded us to the goons for CA...
My Fav Quote on the thread but anyhow...
Nice going Guys Good luck
Good to See your Guns back on the right side of the lines ----------------------------------------------------------- Who is the Question What is the Thought Why is the Reply Where is the Place When is the Time How is the Means I am the Answer |
Gnulpie
Minmatar Miner Tech
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Posted - 2007.10.10 23:51:00 -
[245]
Originally by: Taj Zela
Originally by: Tomcatt Toss on top of that the 42b for M.Pire each month?
Math 4tl apparently
Even though an m.pire guy said it was 6B/month, not 6B a week, where is there 7 weeks in a month? You got some sweet calander there dude.
No clue 4tl apparently
6b per month per corp. With 7 corps that is 42b/month.
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Murukan
Minmatar Dark Knights of Deneb Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.10.10 23:52:00 -
[246]
Originally by: EnacheV1
Originally by: Murukan
Originally by: EnacheV1
You don't get it do you ? This isn't about alliances in eve , it's about the lack of education of some kids that spend to much time in this game.
Lol classy post. When you find yourself in a pathetically weak alliance that has had to rely on big brother for the past 2 years to keep it's ass afloat, what's the best way to continue?? By making out of game insults!!! You rock guy you rock!
The conclusion about your uneducated and frustrated leader it's based on observation that i made in the past months.
Throwing insults left and right, in a frickin space game.
As i said i'm really sorry, it must be hard for him.
Seriously you should take a look at your own alliance and your own masters if you want to compare throwing insults. The thread about the taking of FAT was so steeped in arrogant dog poo it was ridiculous. And i love how you use someone's forum posts (which btw thug isn't a native english speaker, try and learn russian why don't ya) to base their education off. Seriously are you uneducated? Btw here is how one of your sentences should read if you want to act all proper and educated:
"The conclusion about your uneducated and frustrated leader is based on observation that i made in the past months."
But seriously, KISS THE RING *****!!!!!
Manlove by Zaphod Jones
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SamuraiJack
Caldari Celestial Horizon Corp. Valainaloce
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Posted - 2007.10.10 23:52:00 -
[247]
Edited by: SamuraiJack on 10/10/2007 23:53:09
Originally by: Kryztal
We are arrogant and our allies and friends know that, we also show respect to those that show us respect. We gave m.pire our respect and got nothing but smack back. With attitude like that your better suited on the other side anyway.
Nice to see Gungan's back in the "mr ASCN's head forum poster guy" position.
Not bitter much then Kryztal darling?
Well you will reap what you sow.
Enjoy.
Love and Hugs from The Master of Thong
SJ. CLS CEO, Valainloce Executor and Standings Director =-
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Martin VanBuren
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.10 23:52:00 -
[248]
Originally by: Kryztal
Originally by: Tomcatt Tholarim you want to say something about the chain of events? Lets, please.
We came down to help you. We came down to fight along side of you despite our past history. We were there to support you.
NO ONE in STK mined a single roid. Maybe a couple of guys shot a rat or two in an NPC station system BEFORE you talked to me, but not after.
My guys were our roaming with Bob and came back to dock for the night and were locked out. They were there when FAT fell, but couldn't dock. This is how you treat your allies? Toss on top of that the 42b for M.Pire each month? That offer came before the lockouts, so what? You were pressuring us into taking it?
M.PIRE doesn't owe you a damn thing.
WTS math skills. It was a standard rent agreement (6billion exclusive const for all of m.pire) that was on the table after getting told to **** off and mind our own buisness when STK was ratting in our home constellation. "oh im not ratting im just testing my sniper setup" lol If your leadership had come to us and asked first we wouldnt have had any problem with M.Pire getting themselves sorted but our space is our space and if you were so called "good allies" you would have respected that and asked insted of just taking.
We are arrogant and our allies and friends know that, we also show respect to those that show us respect. We gave m.pire our respect and got nothing but smack back. With attitude like that your better suited on the other side anyway.
Nice to see Gungan's back in the "mr ASCN's head forum poster guy" position.
Never change, upset, self-righteous BoB members.
Never change.
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Taj Zela
Minmatar Haha It Is To Laugh
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Posted - 2007.10.10 23:54:00 -
[249]
Originally by: Tomcatt
Originally by: Taj Zela
Originally by: Tomcatt Toss on top of that the 42b for M.Pire each month?
Math 4tl apparently
Even though an m.pire guy said it was 6B/month, not 6B a week, where is there 7 weeks in a month? You got some sweet calander there dude.
7 Corps in M.Pire x 6b per month = 42b per month
You fail.
Who ever said it was per corp?
Either way, its nice to see some people never change. When I was in RA velios was trying to lick our arses to get some space. I can't believe RA would tollerate bring them back as blue after the **** they talked back then in local and such. Guess it says more about them (RA) than anyone tbfh.
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Ivor Gunn
No One Expects The Spanish Inquisition
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Posted - 2007.10.10 23:54:00 -
[250]
Edited by: Ivor Gunn on 10/10/2007 23:55:39
Originally by: Kryztal We gave m.pire our respect and got nothing but smack back.
The 6 months of hard fighting meant nothing, then?
Originally by: Taj Zela Who ever said it was per corp?
Originally by: Alex Tremayne That would be 6 bil isk. Per month. Per corp.
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August Personage
Caldari Clarf Inc
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Posted - 2007.10.10 23:54:00 -
[251]
Originally by: Ivor Gunn
Originally by: August Personage stuff
reply
no, i'm actually not a bob alt. stop attempting to invalidate my posting by associating me with them. i haven't dropped to the level of calling you a goon alt, or some other affiliate of the coalition, for all i know, your someone who (as i) have read the forums for a long time and been involved in some part of the conflict at one time or another, the side is irrelevant.
whether you think of it as bob screwing m.pire over, or as bob telling them to stop taking things for granted is something i doubt we can agree on. so perhaps we should move on from that.
a former LV corp being accepted into the ranks of the coalition, is (as you recognised) quite an event. you could jsut as easily argue that the ground-level grunts on the coalitions side are just as confused as to why these previously "hated" enemies are being given blue standings. not being in the intel channels of the GBC, i cannot confirm or deny your claim of confusion in the ranks. but if there is confusion, what does that have to do with the points i'm putting across? would the GBC rather have m.pire defect once they've been given a place in the south for free? or that they either have payed their way into 0.0, and then perhaps had thoughts about defecting now they've payed money to someone else ot be here, or just say "no we aren't willing to pay that" and defect now, rather than storing up the drama until later. far less damage has been done to the GBC war machine by this defection now, that would have been done in however many weeks time.
i'm not quite so sure M. could have "gone anywhere" as you put it to be quite honest. i do not believe that they are capable of taking their own space, so they would be looking to either be given some area in the south either by GBC or RSF, that in its self is rather impertanant and not exactly becomming of an alliance. would you want an ally who was constantly depending on you to give them space?
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Jags
Minmatar M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.10 23:55:00 -
[252]
Originally by: Kryztal We are arrogant and our allies and friends know that, we also show respect to those that show us respect. We gave m.pire our respect and got nothing but smack back. With attitude like that your better suited on the other side anyway.
Bull-*******-****.
We threw some of our capfleet + plenty suport into FAT to help you guys out and we basically get the middle finger back.
This is our ****er hand signal in return
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niroshido
Caldari M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.10 23:55:00 -
[253]
Originally by: Gnulpie
Originally by: Taj Zela
Originally by: Tomcatt Toss on top of that the 42b for M.Pire each month?
Math 4tl apparently
Even though an m.pire guy said it was 6B/month, not 6B a week, where is there 7 weeks in a month? You got some sweet calander there dude.
No clue 4tl apparently
6b per month per corp. With 7 corps that is 42b/month.
does how much it cost really matter? at the end of the day BOB suck at keeping allies, YAY! for arrogance
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Kryztal
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.10.10 23:56:00 -
[254]
Originally by: SamuraiJack
Originally by: Kryztal
We are arrogant and our allies and friends know that, we also show respect to those that show us respect. We gave m.pire our respect and got nothing but smack back. With attitude like that your better suited on the other side anyway.
Nice to see Gungan's back in the "mr ASCN's head forum poster guy" position.
Not bitter much they Kryztal darling?
Well you will reap what you sow.
Enjoy.
Love and Hugs from The Master of Thong
lol bitter ? this is exactly what i wanted so there is no bitterness :p
Just fixing up these "missunderstandings" that m.pire leadership obviously fed to their members :P
- for the MOTHERLAND! -
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Toffles
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.10 23:56:00 -
[255]
Lollin at all the bob crying going on in here. It's not the first time they've done this. Didn't outbreak want to help fight with bob and bob tried to charge them for it?
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TANK CE0
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Posted - 2007.10.10 23:59:00 -
[256]
Originally by: Murukan
Originally by: EnacheV1
Originally by: Murukan
Originally by: EnacheV1
You don't get it do you ? This isn't about alliances in eve , it's about the lack of education of some kids that spend to much time in this game.
Lol classy post. When you find yourself in a pathetically weak alliance that has had to rely on big brother for the past 2 years to keep it's ass afloat, what's the best way to continue?? By making out of game insults!!! You rock guy you rock!
The conclusion about your uneducated and frustrated leader it's based on observation that i made in the past months.
Throwing insults left and right, in a frickin space game.
As i said i'm really sorry, it must be hard for him.
Seriously you should take a look at your own alliance and your own masters if you want to compare throwing insults. The thread about the taking of FAT was so steeped in arrogant dog poo it was ridiculous. And i love how you use someone's forum posts (which btw thug isn't a native english speaker, try and learn russian why don't ya) to base their education off. Seriously are you uneducated? Btw here is how one of your sentences should read if you want to act all proper and educated:
"The conclusion about your uneducated and frustrated leader is based on observation that i made in the past months."
But seriously, KISS THE RING *****!!!!!
cool off. You take these forum a little but too seriously. |
Taj Zela
Minmatar Haha It Is To Laugh
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Posted - 2007.10.10 23:59:00 -
[257]
Originally by: niroshido
Originally by: Gnulpie
Originally by: Taj Zela
Originally by: Tomcatt Toss on top of that the 42b for M.Pire each month?
Math 4tl apparently
Even though an m.pire guy said it was 6B/month, not 6B a week, where is there 7 weeks in a month? You got some sweet calander there dude.
No clue 4tl apparently
6b per month per corp. With 7 corps that is 42b/month.
does how much it cost really matter? at the end of the day BOB suck at keeping allies, YAY! for arrogance
Pretty damn funny coming from m corp.
I'm sure if bob thought you were worth anything they would have brought you in for nothing.
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Gontard
Minmatar E-Truth
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Posted - 2007.10.10 23:59:00 -
[258]
Edited by: Gontard on 11/10/2007 00:01:39 So dear MPire members, now you will go on goon and ra teamspeak and kiss their behinds after all that happened ?
Seriously, your leaders s.uck big time.
Or you drop your leaders or you find yourself some decent corps and alliances, IN WHICH YOU CAN HAVE A BACKBONE.
If you think paying rent to make money in others space is lack of backbone and going gonads is brave than ...
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welsh wizard
Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.10.11 00:00:00 -
[259]
I'll believe it when I see the killboards. ;) [Balance] The Caldari problem. |
Erik Amirault
Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.11 00:00:00 -
[260]
Originally by: Gontard So dear MPire members, now you will go on goon and ra teamspeak and kiss their behinds after all that happened ?
Seriously, your leaders s.uck big time.
Or you drop your leaders or you find yourself some decent corps and alliances, IN WHICH YOU CAN HAVE A BACKBONE.
BoB alt spotted.
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Cypher XIII
M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.11 00:01:00 -
[261]
Originally by: Kryztal
Originally by: Tomcatt TWTS math skills. It was a standard rent agreement (6billion exclusive const for all of m.pire)...
Tbh, i don't know what figure is true, but it doesnt matter anyway. 6b per was the first figure i read on our boards and even that no one would have wanted to pay you.
Strange, unil yesterday i always thought of myself as somewhat pro BoB - what a difference a day makes...
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Frygok
Minmatar Mean Anglo-Danes
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Posted - 2007.10.11 00:01:00 -
[262]
Originally by: Gontard So dear MPire members, now you will go on goon and ra teamspeak and kiss their behinds after all that happened ?
Seriously, your leaders s.uck big time.
Or you drop your leaders or you find yourself some decent corps and alliances, IN WHICH YOU CAN HAVE A BACKBONE.
Where in the announcement did you read this?
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TARREX
Section XIII Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.10.11 00:01:00 -
[263]
the BOBITES run to their loss with this kind of attitude Respect for you M.Pire
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Ivor Gunn
No One Expects The Spanish Inquisition
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Posted - 2007.10.11 00:01:00 -
[264]
Edited by: Ivor Gunn on 11/10/2007 00:04:17
Originally by: August Personage far less damage has been done to the GBC war machine by this defection now, that would have been done in however many weeks time.
Well, the idea is, you show your allies some respect, help them get back on their feet after 6 months of fighting in their home outpost system and they don't defect.
What you don't do is ask them for 42 billion isk a month, expecting them to join in the major war effort.
It's not the fact a tenancy agreement was in order, it's the fact the tenancy agreement was so ridiculously overpriced. Someone posted that this was a "standard agreement", and this is utter *******s.
The scale of the insult can be measured simply by the fact Velios is working with RA; an entity he's been fighting for just about the entirity of the game.
Quote: you could jsut as easily argue that the ground-level grunts on the coalitions side are just as confused as to why these previously "hated" enemies are being given blue standings.
You couldn't. the RSF are currently all talking along the lines of "Why didn't they realise bob are ****s sooner?". Their morale has shot through the roof, while GBC's is rolling in the horse ****. Except maybe for the bob leaderhips', who are sitting in nol chuckling at how they've screwed over STK/ASCN again. We've even seen it in this post; with gungan being ridiculed for his ASCN past - a past that ended a year ago and has been long since forgotten by everyone involved. I'd bet that even a chunk of bob's membership - especially the ex-ASCN and ex-SNRA blocs, will be seriously questioning their leaders over this one.
Quote: i'm not quite so sure M. could have "gone anywhere" as you put it to be quite honest.
They're in the back yard of their oldest, bitterest enemy, planning to help in the fight against an alliance in which a very large component are old alliance mates, or old alliance friends. If that's not the ability to go anywhere, then i don't know what is.
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Kalyster
Section XIII
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Posted - 2007.10.11 00:02:00 -
[265]
Oh noes, they're stealing our targets!
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Haylee Pretix
M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.11 00:02:00 -
[266]
Originally by: Kryztal [If your leadership had come to us and asked first we wouldnt have had any problem with M.Pire getting themselves sorted but our space is our space and if you were so called "good allies" you would have respected that and asked insted of just taking.
We gave m.pire our respect and got nothing but smack back.
Just for that had to log an alt on and.................... /signed
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Asylum Seaker
Quam Singulari
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Posted - 2007.10.11 00:03:00 -
[267]
Well done guys. Really quite proud.
The universe is hostile, so impersonal, devour to survive, so it is, so it's always been.
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CEO Pyrex
DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.11 00:03:00 -
[268]
Originally by: SamuraiJack
Originally by: Kryztal
lol bitter ? this is exactly what i wanted so there is no bitterness :p
Just fixing up these "missunderstandings" that m.pire leadership obviously fed to their members :P
I'm still growing roses in your forum posts from lasttime gorgess :P
Heh, now thats posting.
Is it just me or are bob looking tierd?......
9 words...
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Taj Zela
Minmatar Haha It Is To Laugh
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Posted - 2007.10.11 00:03:00 -
[269]
Originally by: Kalyster Oh noes, they're stealing our targets!
I'm sure your agents in curse can handle a few more people, non?
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Bu Jinkan
Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.11 00:03:00 -
[270]
I don't know how to feel about this. I guess it's okay as long as Chosen Path is still red to us.
Seriously, don't let them into your alliance.
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Har Ganeth
STK Scientific M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.11 00:04:00 -
[271]
Not paying to shoot people > having to pay to shoot people
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Duke Grail
Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.10.11 00:04:00 -
[272]
Originally by: Fortior
The original quote is a good example of the backwards Goonie-humor. It takes a while to get used to, but after a safari or two out on the great Forum savannahs you start to pick it up.
The joke is, plainly put, to post something insulting about an ally or corpmate that an enemy, in this case most likely a Bobbit/Bobbit alt, was going to post. You steal his post while your own corpmates mock you for your poor forum skills. This is of course intended to target the would-be-smacker, that now is smack-less and in quite a backwards way, humiliated (if that poster even recognizes it that is).
OMG... someone quick deny this before everyone realizes it's true and comes to appreciate goon posting.
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Gontard
Minmatar E-Truth
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Posted - 2007.10.11 00:04:00 -
[273]
Originally by: Erik Amirault
BoB alt spotted.
Sweet goons. Try to be original. Don't use same phrase over 1 milion times. Try to improve your lines.
You are a shame to SA. There people have spirit. You goons in EvE are only a bunch of echo machines.
Shut up.
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Scorched Evil
The Silent Rage M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.11 00:04:00 -
[274]
/signed
CYVOK > All you station jockies better get out their and start killing these idiots
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Tholarim
Amarr Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.10.11 00:05:00 -
[275]
Tomcatt
Quote: We came down to help you. We came down to fight along side of you despite our past history. We were there to support you.
True, and on the discussion we had on mc ts about this with some of your leadership it was said that you were not looking for space or anything but only fights. Your leadership even stated you didn't need any space down here whatsoever.
Quote: NO ONE in STK mined a single roid. Maybe a couple of guys shot a rat or two in an NPC station system BEFORE you talked to me, but not after.
Your guys were seen in the belts in that system, i'll say mining and npcing covered whatever they were doing. You were doing it without even a short mssg our leadership or anything. Which is something any alliance out there would find at least peculiar.
Quote: My guys were our roaming with Bob and came back to dock for the night and were locked out. They were there when FAT fell, but couldn't dock. This is how you treat your allies?
Docking rights are based on corp to corp settings, which hadn't been set yet at that point. Since your leadership never contacted ours to work out some details, or compromises.
Quote: Toss on top of that the 42b for M.Pire each month? That offer came before the lockouts, so what? You were pressuring us into taking it?
Dunno where you get 42 billion from, but the standard fee for every alliance is 6 billion for the whole alliance per month for a constellation deal. No1 from bob ever said 6 bn per corp per month.
all water under the bridge though, allthough we get accused of **** all the time and are used to it i sometimes feel the need to correct any blatant lies
*snip* Signature unsuitable for forums. Please refrain from refering to ongoing investigations in your signature - Valorem |
Virtuozzo
IVC Consortium INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.10.11 00:05:00 -
[276]
Originally by: SamuraiJack Edited by: SamuraiJack on 10/10/2007 23:53:09
Originally by: Kryztal
We are arrogant and our allies and friends know that, we also show respect to those that show us respect. We gave m.pire our respect and got nothing but smack back. With attitude like that your better suited on the other side anyway.
Nice to see Gungan's back in the "mr ASCN's head forum poster guy" position.
Not bitter much then Kryztal darling?
Well you will reap what you sow.
Enjoy.
Love and Hugs from The Master of Thong
You leave that thong out of here SJ >.< You've scarred enough of us with that picture :P
Virtuozzo
Last words of a Caldari general: "Pull the Ravens back! Full retreat! they've got frigates!" *snip* Inappropriate. -Elmo Pug |
Dahin
Maza Nostra oooh Shiny
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Posted - 2007.10.11 00:05:00 -
[277]
The third alliance that decides to stop shooting at the heroic corp moros and go shoot bobby.
I think I'll go siege some pos' in jove space, Oveur's head will explode in amazement and it will land on his keyboard only to accidentally type "teleport to NOL". While tomb tries to reinstate oveur's madly ricocheting head to it's proper position with his nerfbat(slightly tilted for added amazement), T20 will receive a delve rental bill of 5 t3 prints per month per chair in CCP's office.
Now on a serious note: Oh look at the nice colourful tabs in my firefox... /me wanders off
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Broska
coracao ardente Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.10.11 00:05:00 -
[278]
I am by no means M. pire's greatest fan.
BUT.....
GO M.PIRE!!!!
Seriously best of luck to you guys. I hope you guys actualy use your cap fleet (Which I know is pritty impressive when you actualy use it).
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Papion
Huff and Puff
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Posted - 2007.10.11 00:06:00 -
[279]
have fun boys
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Kalkin84
STK Scientific M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.11 00:06:00 -
[280]
**** i'm late,
/signed
* Kalkin84 puts on his YARR! face
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Digicomm
101st Space Marine Force
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Posted - 2007.10.11 00:08:00 -
[281]
STK joins Curse...fail STK joins Xetic...fail STK joins ASCN...FAIL STK joins Inviticus...fail STK joins Rule of Three...fail STK joins m.corp which joins Goonswarm...
This is a nice trend. Which ever alliance this corp joins is cursed.
Good luck m.pire. You'll need it.
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Natas Dog
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.11 00:09:00 -
[282]
Originally by: Johnny ReeRee There are truly some colossal ReeRees among the BoB high command.
Thumbs up gentleman! dbp has been an operative for the ReeRee Brigade for months. Now it appears Tholarim and Sir Molle are eligible. Normally there would be a lengthy interview/internship process, but when there's such a lengthy demonstrated period of Not Getting It, we here at the ReeRee Brigade admissions office are willing to cut a few corners.
Hey BoB, what's next? Getting drunk and making a pass at Seleene?
When BoB is this stupid, it kind of makes trolling goonies a little less fun.
Qouting a Johnny ReeRee post I agree with
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Turin
Caldari Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.10.11 00:09:00 -
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Lame choice IMO. Of course, your basing most of it on a bunch of garbage and lies, but what ever. Cya in space.
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Ivor Gunn
No One Expects The Spanish Inquisition
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Posted - 2007.10.11 00:09:00 -
[284]
Originally by: Tholarim Your guys were seen in the belts in that system, i'll say mining and npcing covered whatever they were doing.
Quote: Docking rights are based on corp to corp settings, which hadn't been set yet at that point. Since your leadership never contacted ours to work out some details, or compromises.
Quote: Dunno where you get 42 billion from, but the standard fee for every alliance is 6 billion for the whole alliance per month for a constellation deal. No1 from bob ever said 6 bn per corp per month.
So you take massive offense at the very slightest of infractions (oh noez, an old ally was possibly maybe ratting in a nearly empty system) and your diplomatic abilities suck.
Have you actually done anything right in this fiasco.
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Coranor
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.10.11 00:10:00 -
[285]
I really don't know what you expected gungan.
Seriously you give up in the north all of a sudden(without even losing a station btw) and by the next day nearly you show up and start mining in delve of all places. You leave your allies in the north hanging and expect us to reward you for it. Nah, that costs 6 bill a month no matter how you look at it(its just 6 bill btw, not per corp at all)
Now I was quite happy for you guys to move down and shoot stuff up with us. I was quite happy for you guys to take a little chunk of space for yourselves(your own space, no rent no oversight no interference from us) once you'd put the work in as most of us were. But your guys seem to think that it should all be handed to you on a plate.
The fact that your directors found out that they wouldn't be handed whatever they wanted meant that they decided to run and have a chat with sesfan(Yeah we got the logs). Now i got no hard feelings about that. You do whats best for your alliances and your corps but you can't claim the omg loyalty card here.
Bottom line is that you were out for yourselves here. There was never any loyalty to either us or even MC, the guys who set you up in the north. You bailed on fatal and cow, knowing that they couldn't hold the area on their own, without even having to try and defend one of your stations and you ran down south expecting to be welcomed with open arms by one side or the other.
You were an honest guy when you were in bnc mate. Hell even in ascn you were the man in their leadership that was spending his time helping his alliance instead of trying to demonise us. Now is not the time to buck the trend of a lifetime.
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cruxix
M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.11 00:10:00 -
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Edited by: cruxix on 11/10/2007 00:11:51
Originally by: Kryztal
Originally by: SamuraiJack
Originally by: Kryztal
We are arrogant and our allies and friends know that, we also show respect to those that show us respect. We gave m.pire our respect and got nothing but smack back. With attitude like that your better suited on the other side anyway.
Nice to see Gungan's back in the "mr ASCN's head forum poster guy" position.
Not bitter much they Kryztal darling?
Well you will reap what you sow.
Enjoy.
Love and Hugs from The Master of Thong
lol bitter ? this is exactly what i wanted so there is no bitterness :p
Just fixing up these "missunderstandings" that m.pire leadership obviously fed to their members :P
let me get this strait... the guys who have been busting their ***es fueling towers and hauling my crap out to branch from 0.0 are now lying to me.. and you are telling the truth... and the fact that i asked on bob TS about 5 times for someone to get tinfoil to set us positive so that my alliance mates could REDOCK in 25s and only got silence and none of your alliance leaders at least had the stones to tell me the truth?? yeah.. not buying it. I respect bobs fighting ability but your leadership needs to stop reading Machiavelli.
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Natas Dog
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.11 00:10:00 -
[287]
Is this the big announcement?
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Velios
M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.11 00:11:00 -
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The ISK sums being mentioned here are totally irrelevant.
MPIRE had ZERO interest on being occupiers of any BoB land, we left our fight in the North in tact and willing to pour our considerable player base directly into the front lines to help MC fight the fight.
The fact is that BoB have clearly gate-crashed an MC party in FAT, and then proceeded to claim 100% the credit in that absolutely ridiculous Molle proclaimation. BoB (former ATUK mostly) then think so little of us as to prefer creating wallet-busting rental deals (wtf) before considering the real reason we were in FAT - just to fight the fight.
Did it make you feel empowered to put the squeeze on us that night, did you get a hard-on?
Damage was done that evening, MPIRE DO have standards, and we are frankly not amused.
I now see great opportunities for the future of EVE now we have made this choice, it's like somebody flicked a light switch.
Allies join "MPIRE LOBBY" to initiate battle plans.
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IamBen
Caldari Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.10.11 00:11:00 -
[289]
M.Corps industrial backbone is uber. Cant believe BoB is so stupid to try to give them the shaft like that. Good going M.corp.
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LadyScarlet
Minmatar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.10.11 00:11:00 -
[290]
Originally by: Tomcatt
Originally by: Taj Zela
Originally by: Tomcatt Toss on top of that the 42b for M.Pire each month?
Math 4tl apparently
Even though an m.pire guy said it was 6B/month, not 6B a week, where is there 7 weeks in a month? You got some sweet calander there dude.
7 Corps in M.Pire x 6b per month = 42b per month
You fail.
rofl !! i do not remember quoting anyone 6 bil per corp i was asked how much to rent 3 particular systems so if you all based your actions w/o double checking or then i feel sorry for you and incase i did happen to miss type all velios or anyone else had to do was double check which i got no mail on it
how ever you had already had your chat with goones around the same time i was asked so im sure yoru minds were already made up to bad your members dont know the intire story
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Stoffer Ninjapirate
Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.11 00:12:00 -
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Originally by: Coranor I really don't know what you expected gungan.
Seriously you give up in the north all of a sudden(without even losing a station btw) and by the next day nearly you show up and start mining in delve of all places. You leave your allies in the north hanging and expect us to reward you for it. Nah, that costs 6 bill a month no matter how you look at it(its just 6 bill btw, not per corp at all)
Now I was quite happy for you guys to move down and shoot stuff up with us. I was quite happy for you guys to take a little chunk of space for yourselves(your own space, no rent no oversight no interference from us) once you'd put the work in as most of us were. But your guys seem to think that it should all be handed to you on a plate.
The fact that your directors found out that they wouldn't be handed whatever they wanted meant that they decided to run and have a chat with sesfan(Yeah we got the logs). Now i got no hard feelings about that. You do whats best for your alliances and your corps but you can't claim the omg loyalty card here.
Bottom line is that you were out for yourselves here. There was never any loyalty to either us or even MC, the guys who set you up in the north. You bailed on fatal and cow, knowing that they couldn't hold the area on their own, without even having to try and defend one of your stations and you ran down south expecting to be welcomed with open arms by one side or the other.
You were an honest guy when you were in bnc mate. Hell even in ascn you were the man in their leadership that was spending his time helping his alliance instead of trying to demonise us. Now is not the time to buck the trend of a lifetime.
Again: God forbid they make money to support the war effort.
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Alex Shurk
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Posted - 2007.10.11 00:12:00 -
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Originally by: Coranor You bailed on fatal and cow
Totally unbiased two-sided argument from an individual who was totally there at the time.
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August Personage
Caldari Clarf Inc
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Posted - 2007.10.11 00:12:00 -
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Originally by: Ivor Gunn
Originally by: August Personage far less damage has been done to the GBC war machine by this defection now, that would have been done in however many weeks time.
Well, the idea is, you show your allies some respect, help them get back on their feet after 6 months of fighting in their home outpost system and they don't defect.
What you don't do is ask them for 42 billion isk a month, expecting them to join in the major war effort.
It's not the fact a tenancy agreement was in order, it's the fact the tenancy agreement was so ridiculously overpriced. Someone posted that this was a "standard agreement", and this is utter *******s.
The scale of the insult can be measured simply by the fact Velios is working with RA; an entity he's been fighting for just about the entirity of the game.
Quote: i'm not quite so sure M. could have "gone anywhere" as you put it to be quite honest.
They're in the back yard of their oldest, bitterest enemy, planning to help in the fight against an alliance in which a very large component are old alliance mates, or old alliance friends. If that's not the ability to go anywhere, then i don't know what is.
6 months sounds like a rather large exageration, and whoever posted 22 hostile alliances needs to either stop posting or show some proof too.
as krystal posted, what they did was want to charge them 6b per corp per month for the exclusive use of a constellation, if something went bad in the dealings i don't know, as i wasn't there, and unless you happen to be a bob or an m/pire alt, neither were you. i personally see nothing wrong with people having paying that kind of money for space, if they're unwilling to try and take their own, and they want somone else who has taken their own to give them some, then they should have to pay quite a considerable amount to claim that space as their own
their alliance with RSF now doesn't doesn't demonstrate the ability to go anywhere at all, that demonstrates their unwillingness to actually do something for themselves and their ridiculous reliance on any other alliance, even if it has to be their "oldest, bitterest enemy". had gone on to take their own space from someone else, rather than what they will do now, which is simply ride on the coat tails of another organisation; i would agree with you, that m.pire is a capable alliance, who would make a worthy addition to the RSF, and that the GBC would have quite clearly made a huge mistake in turning them away. as it stands, i can't say i do.
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Erik Amirault
Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.11 00:13:00 -
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Originally by: Coranor I really don't know what you expected gungan.
Seriously you give up in the north all of a sudden(without even losing a station btw) and by the next day nearly you show up and start mining in delve of all places. You leave your allies in the north hanging and expect us to reward you for it. Nah, that costs 6 bill a month no matter how you look at it(its just 6 bill btw, not per corp at all)
Now I was quite happy for you guys to move down and shoot stuff up with us. I was quite happy for you guys to take a little chunk of space for yourselves(your own space, no rent no oversight no interference from us) once you'd put the work in as most of us were. But your guys seem to think that it should all be handed to you on a plate.
The fact that your directors found out that they wouldn't be handed whatever they wanted meant that they decided to run and have a chat with sesfan(Yeah we got the logs). Now i got no hard feelings about that. You do whats best for your alliances and your corps but you can't claim the omg loyalty card here.
Bottom line is that you were out for yourselves here. There was never any loyalty to either us or even MC, the guys who set you up in the north. You bailed on fatal and cow, knowing that they couldn't hold the area on their own, without even having to try and defend one of your stations and you ran down south expecting to be welcomed with open arms by one side or the other.
You were an honest guy when you were in bnc mate. Hell even in ascn you were the man in their leadership that was spending his time helping his alliance instead of trying to demonise us. Now is not the time to buck the trend of a lifetime.
This is textbook complete lack of perspective. BoB at it's best.
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Pwnomus Maximus
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Posted - 2007.10.11 00:13:00 -
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Originally by: Tholarim *horse manure*
maybe you shouldn't treat those that are there to help you FOR FREE like the rest of eve deserves to treat you? GG, I hope you realize just what a dedicated force you've just ****ed off. even if they can't kill you outright, on your side they could have easily helped you end IAAACRAGOONF lickety split. Learn some humility.
signed as well
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Mercatorum
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Posted - 2007.10.11 00:14:00 -
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Originally by: Digicomm STK joins Curse...fail STK joins Xetic...fail STK joins ASCN...FAIL STK joins Inviticus...fail STK joins Rule of Three...fail STK joins m.corp which joins Goonswarm...
This is a nice trend. Which ever alliance this corp joins is cursed.
Good luck m.pire. You'll need it.
Considering STK has been around since beta, thats almost one alliance per year! Those damn alliance hoppers! They'll be the ruin of all!
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Natas Dog
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.11 00:15:00 -
[297]
Originally by: Mercatorum
Originally by: Digicomm STK joins Curse...fail STK joins Xetic...fail STK joins ASCN...FAIL STK joins Inviticus...fail STK joins Rule of Three...fail STK joins m.corp which joins Goonswarm...
This is a nice trend. Which ever alliance this corp joins is cursed.
Good luck m.pire. You'll need it.
Considering STK has been around since beta, thats almost one alliance per year! Those damn alliance hoppers! They'll be the ruin of all!
Don't worry bud, we're still waiting on ARSED to trigger a failure cascade. Get in line
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KingB
The Red Dragoons
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Posted - 2007.10.11 00:16:00 -
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Originally by: Turin Lame choice IMO. Of course, your basing most of it on a bunch of garbage and lies, but what ever. Cya in space.
THIS IS NOT GARBAGE AND LIES!!!!!
wow is MC realy that BLIND??
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niroshido
Caldari M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.11 00:19:00 -
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Originally by: Gnulpie
Originally by: niroshido
Originally by: Gnulpie
Originally by: Taj Zela
Originally by: Tomcatt Toss on top of that the 42b for M.Pire each month?
Math 4tl apparently
Even though an m.pire guy said it was 6B/month, not 6B a week, where is there 7 weeks in a month? You got some sweet calander there dude.
No clue 4tl apparently
6b per month per corp. With 7 corps that is 42b/month.
does how much it cost really matter? at the end of the day BOB suck at keeping allies, YAY! for arrogance
Actually the exact amount is not that important, true enough.
What did M.pire do? They fought alongside BoB for a long time now, they were always there. But where was BoB for them? The really weak attempt of BoB to help LV (actually they only wanted to save that titan in the shipyard to take it into their own ranks) was quickly dispatched after a few days again.
Then much later M.pire followed MC to the north and fought to keep their own space for quite a while - taking off a lots of pressure from BoB this way.
Later BoB did an all-hands and M.pire sent their capital fleet away to help them: a risky gamble with all the hostiles strong around their new home, but they still did it because of old loyality. But while M.pire was fighting for BoB in the south, their homes were undefended and Razor/MM and others took the chance and increased the pressure a lot - the deathring of M.pire's home there. So, helping BoB costs them their homes.
Finally M.pire comes down to BoB space and fights again with them and when the talk were about docking rights and station access BoB f***s them over and DEMANDS something (regardless if it is 1 isk or 42 bil) that M.pire is allowed to fight with BoB? After all what M.pire did for BoB?
Dude, they surely smoke really strong stuff at the BoB HQ.
I wonder what Seleene will say to all that.
im assuming seleene will ask BOB leadership first before saying anything
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Ramlir
0.0 Corp
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Posted - 2007.10.11 00:20:00 -
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Originally by: LadyScarlet
rofl !! i do not remember quoting anyone 6 bil per corp i was asked how much to rent 3 particular systems so if you all based your actions w/o double checking or then i feel sorry for you and incase i did happen to miss type all velios or anyone else had to do was double check which i got no mail on it
how ever you had already had your chat with goones around the same time i was asked so im sure yoru minds were already made up to bad your members dont know the intire story
how do you fit all dat in dem jeans girl
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maGz
Dark Knights of Deneb Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.10.11 00:20:00 -
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Originally by: Velios The ISK sums being mentioned here are totally irrelevant.
MPIRE had ZERO interest on being occupiers of any BoB land, we left our fight in the North in tact and willing to pour our considerable player base directly into the front lines to help MC fight the fight.
The fact is that BoB have clearly gate-crashed an MC party in FAT, and then proceeded to claim 100% the credit in that absolutely ridiculous Molle proclaimation. BoB (former ATUK mostly) then think so little of us as to prefer creating wallet-busting rental deals (wtf) before considering the real reason we were in FAT - just to fight the fight.
Did it make you feel empowered to put the squeeze on us that night, did you get a hard-on?
Damage was done that evening, MPIRE DO have standards, and we are frankly not amused.
I now see great opportunities for the future of EVE now we have made this choice, it's like somebody flicked a light switch.
Allies join "MPIRE LOBBY" to initiate battle plans.
Respect. ____________
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Cringeley
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Edited by: Cringeley on 11/10/2007 00:25:07 Good on you for showing proper self respect, M.Pire (and that includes M.Corp in spite of the bad blood between us).
Edit - a lot of our enemies obviously see it (or choose to see it) as propaganda, but we really do believe in standing tall, even if you have to do it alone (although it's even better if you have non-exploitative friends like RA, TCF, IAC and AAA).
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Clay101
Caldari M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.11 00:21:00 -
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May I take this time to state the following:
We didn't "bail" on our buddies. We filled them in on everything up to the end. They were our brothers in arms until the very end!
Also, ANYONE who knows how M.Corp works internally should take that and apply it to MPIRE: WE HIDE NOTHING! We have Director meetings and take what comes out of those meetings to the rest of the corp/alliance. We put everything on the table for our members and get EVERY LAST FEELING we can from every last member be it from 1 year to 1 week, we want all input from ALL members. After we get that input we take it back to a directors meeting. We discuss and choose what we feel is best for the corp/alliance.
We hid nothing, we have no reason to. M.Corp and MPIRE is here for its members BECAUSE of its members.
To recap: Things on plate - directors discuss - get feeling from ALL members - director re-discuss based on member feedback - decision is made. If members hate decision we go through the process once more.
BoB . . . UGH!
MC . . . You guys were and are awesome. Fly Safe boys!
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NSA Bivas
Gallente Viper Squad Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.10.11 00:24:00 -
[304]
911 i wana report a domestic abuse in delve pls send rusians and goons to take care of that ty
GL M.Pire
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Maximus Maridius
Gallente Navy Special Forces
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Posted - 2007.10.11 00:24:00 -
[305]
Good luck M. Pire
Guess you'll be losing another home
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Gneeznow
Minmatar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.10.11 00:24:00 -
[306]
Originally by: Coranor
Bottom line is that you were out for yourselves here. There was never any loyalty to either us or even MC
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Evenfall Phoenix
The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.10.11 00:24:00 -
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It'll be an honor to fly with you guys, good choice.
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Future Thing
Ninja Warriors of the Round Table
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Posted - 2007.10.11 00:25:00 -
[308]
Originally by: Clay101 We didn't "bail" on our buddies. We filled them in on everything up to the end. They were our brothers in arms until the very end!
LV, first of the 'leadership' corps to leave and one of the first overall to leave while the rest of the aliance fought on.
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Sorja
E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.10.11 00:27:00 -
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Originally by: Tholarim Maybe they shoulldn't have started mining and npcing in delve without asking the alliance owning said space.
Right, and how are your allies supposed to make isk to buy ships? Aren't you aware they lost 0.0 access recently after losing tons?
Of course, I don't know the whole picture, and since BoB has set the honour standards so high in EVE, you might be right...
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Tumbles
Blue Labs Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2007.10.11 00:27:00 -
[310]
Yarrrr!!!! Now is the time for that large can of whoop arse!!!! Glad u guys have the correct color filters on now ;)
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Papion
Huff and Puff
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Posted - 2007.10.11 00:27:00 -
[311]
Originally by: Future Thing
Originally by: Clay101 We didn't "bail" on our buddies. We filled them in on everything up to the end. They were our brothers in arms until the very end!
LV, first of the 'leadership' corps to leave and one of the first overall to leave while the rest of the aliance fought on.
no the decision was already taken by others aswel but m was the first to make it public
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Lela Xuan
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.11 00:27:00 -
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Originally by: LadyScarlet
rofl !! i do not remember quoting anyone 6 bil per corp i was asked how much to rent 3 particular systems so if you all based your actions w/o double checking or then i feel sorry for you and incase i did happen to miss type all velios or anyone else had to do was double check which i got no mail on it
how ever you had already had your chat with goones around the same time i was asked so im sure yoru minds were already made up to bad your members dont know the intire story
Why are there no full stops or commas in your post, Ladyscarlet? Is it because your fingers are a little too big to hit those buttons down in the corner?
This thread is now about lifestyle diseases in society today and advice for how best to cope, thanks M.Pire for making such a nice place to have it. _____________________________________________________ I thought it apropos to write it in crayon. |
Natas Dog
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.11 00:29:00 -
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Originally by: Lela Xuan Why are there no full stops or commas in your post, Ladyscarlet? Is it because your fingers are a little too big to hit those buttons down in the corner?
This thread is now about lifestyle diseases in society today and advice for how best to cope, thanks M.Pire for making such a nice place to have it.
Punctuation is for losers.
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Ivor Gunn
No One Expects The Spanish Inquisition
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Posted - 2007.10.11 00:29:00 -
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Originally by: August Personage 6 months sounds like a rather large exageration
M.'s killboard tracks their first kills as in march. It is in fact 7 months of fighting as an alliance on bob's side.
Quote: and whoever posted 22 hostile alliances needs to either stop posting or show some proof too.
That would have been me:
Anvil., Angels of Discord, CORE, Dark Matter Coallition, Ekliptika, Event-Horizon, Fallout Project, Insurgency, IRON, Invictus, Ka-Tet, Morsus Mihi, Mordus Angels, Mostly Harmless, Pandemic Legion, Peons of Doom, Pure, RA, Razor Alliance, Roadkill, Rule of Three, Nxt Level, Smash Alliance, Stela Polar,Synchronizerz, TCF, The Makhai, Hydra Alliance, Fate. Corp, Te-KA,Vae Victis. The Covenant Alliance, Prismatic Refraction, The Reckoning. Phoenix Allianz, The Makhai.
This is the list of entities who had access to the intel and invite channel the invasion was run from. There are 39. Only about 2/3 of these took part in the actual invasion - which works out at about 26 alliances and corps. A chunk of these were totall insignificant, however, so you can probably knock a good 6-7 off. Then, you can take Triumvirate onto the list to round it off at around 21-22 alliances attacking M/CoW/FATAL.
They fought against these odds for months on end, and left battered and bruised. They turned to their only surviving space-holding ally, and were told to fork over 6b/42b (depending on who you believe), or to get the **** out. that is not an alliance - that's extortion.
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Future Thing
Ninja Warriors of the Round Table
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Posted - 2007.10.11 00:30:00 -
[315]
Originally by: Papion
Originally by: Future Thing
Originally by: Clay101 We didn't "bail" on our buddies. We filled them in on everything up to the end. They were our brothers in arms until the very end!
LV, first of the 'leadership' corps to leave and one of the first overall to leave while the rest of the aliance fought on.
no the decision was already taken by others aswel but m was the first to make it public
Doesn't mean it wasn't bailing, especially when the corps worth anything were holding off ragoons so people could evacuate their space, while m.corp was long gone.
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Tiburus Smith
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Posted - 2007.10.11 00:30:00 -
[316]
SIGNED
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mamolian
M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.11 00:31:00 -
[317]
Proves one thing I guess, record these kind of discussions that lead to such grievous "misunderstandings" in future.. , We've upset the Dice/Ex Shinra members of BOB, somewhere along the road, and STK being one of the more vocal ex ASCN corps, this was never going to go down well..
As for senior BOB trying to pull the "OMG your leadership is taking you down the garden path!" Seriously..
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Sith Bandon
Viper Squad
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Posted - 2007.10.11 00:33:00 -
[318]
I Now Pronounce You Chuck and Larry
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torN Deception
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.11 00:33:00 -
[319]
This is hilarious. What's really hilarious is that BoB's pets don't seem to realize the contempt BoB holds for them. Fun fact: BoB used to refer to its renters as slaves, until they realized that wasn't very diplomatic and changed it to "pet".
Oh yeah, here's an old chatlog of sirmolle throwing a tantrum when he found some isk farmer pet in the wrong system:
Quote:
[ 2006.12.27 16:57:16 ] RachelLI > .
[ 2006.12.27 16:57:20 ] Shrike > What are you doing in delve?
[ 2006.12.27 16:57:22 ] RachelLI > hello
[ 2006.12.27 16:58:03 ] RachelLI > i'm in RF-K9W
[ 2006.12.27 16:58:11 ] Shrike > WHAT are you doing in Delve?
[ 2006.12.27 16:58:24 ] RachelLI > ratting
[ 2006.12.27 16:58:49 ] Shrike > You have exactly 5 seconds to leave and go back to Fountain.
[ 2006.12.27 16:59:59 ] RachelLI > i see here no factions and alliances
[ 2006.12.27 17:00:19 ] Shrike > HORDE are not allowed to NPC in Delve.
[ 2006.12.27 17:00:42 ] Shrike > You are allowed to TRAVEL only.
[ 2006.12.27 17:01:16 ] Shrike > No mining, no npc, no plex, no exploration, no agents, nothing, TRAVEL only.
[ 2006.12.27 17:01:30 ] Shrike > Leave now.
[ 2006.12.27 17:02:27 ] RachelLI > hey i'm not in u place
[ 2006.12.27 17:02:44 ] RachelLI > u can see map
[ 2006.12.27 17:03:56 ] Shrike > RF-K9 is DELVE.
[ 2006.12.27 17:04:17 ] Shrike > What part of LEAVE dont you understand?
[ 2006.12.27 17:04:20 ] RachelLI > but here not belong any faction
[ 2006.12.27 17:04:59 ] Shrike > DELVE is BOB space. FOUNTAIN i s BOB Space. You live here under OUR rules.
[ 2006.12.27 17:05:50 ] Shrike > This is not a discussion. Leave.
[ 2006.12.27 17:07:55 ] RachelLI > i know the rules.but i think u disunderstand the rules
[ 2006.12.27 17:08:10 ] Shrike > I MAKE THE RULES.
[ 2006.12.27 17:09:04 ] RachelLI > u?lol make a funny
[ 2006.12.27 17:09:48 ] Shrike > k, thats it
[ 2006.12.27 17:10:05 ] Shrike > The Horde will no longer be allowed in Delve nor fountain
[ 2006.12.27 17:11:43 ] RachelLI > as u wish.u can do anything!!
[ 2006.12.27 17:19:13 ] RachelLI > i dont like be to treat again and again
[ 2006.12.27 17:19:47 ] Shrike > No one will threaten you again, they will kill you instead of telling you to leave.
[ 2006.12.27 17:20:10 ] Shrike > HORDE has broken the rules one time to many.
[ 2006.12.27 17:20:51 ] RachelLI > the rules made by u.u can do anything
[ 2006.12.27 17:21:17 ] RachelLI > i dont think i broken the rules.
[ 2006.12.27 17:21:31 ] RachelLI > for ever
[ 2006.12.27 17:21:32 ] Shrike > Yes, just told your CEO and your alliance leader that you will be expelled and gave them alog of this chat.
[ 2006.12.27 17:21:34 ] RachelLI > over
[ 2006.12.27 17:22:15 ] RachelLI > i will leave UG.as u wish
[ 2006.12.27 17:22:34 ] Shrike > pfft
[ 2006.12.27 17:23:41 ] Shrike > To late for all that, you had your chance.
[ 2006.12.27 17:24:47 ] RachelLI > if u really is a women.i think u dislike by man!
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PraetorNZ
The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.10.11 00:34:00 -
[320]
\o/ go M.Pire
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Zigg Omelo
eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.10.11 00:34:00 -
[321]
Best drama in weeks...
good post gungan. -Z- HoP - HoP II |
Bhagat
Amarr M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.11 00:37:00 -
[322]
/signed,
************************************************** No new content till the bugs are fixed CCP Please Fix |
welsh wizard
Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.10.11 00:38:00 -
[323]
Originally by: torN Deception [ 2006.12.27 17:24:47 ] RachelLI > if u really is a women.i think u dislike by man!
lol [Balance] The Caldari problem. |
Ramlir
0.0 Corp
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Posted - 2007.10.11 00:38:00 -
[324]
Quote: [ 2006.12.27 17:23:41 ] Shrike > To late for all that, you had your chance.
[ 2006.12.27 17:24:47 ] RachelLI > if u really is a women.i think u dislike by man!
Couldn't have said it better myself.
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purfleet
M. Corp
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Posted - 2007.10.11 00:38:00 -
[325]
! ! ! S I G N E D ! ! !
btw that Molle tantrum is amazing, all bluster, the carebear clearly owned him.
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Astasia Orian
Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.10.11 00:40:00 -
[326]
Originally by: torN Deception isk farmer stuff
err it's an isk farmer? Do you negotiate with them in formal chinese or something?
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purfleet
M. Corp
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Posted - 2007.10.11 00:40:00 -
[327]
/Signed!
Let the work begin. We mean business guys, I look forward to opening a new front against BoB with likeminded alliances.
They had this coming for a LONG time. |
Bosjathfort
Dragon's Rage Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2007.10.11 00:43:00 -
[328]
Originally by: welsh wizard
Originally by: torN Deception [ 2006.12.27 17:24:47 ] RachelLI > if u really is a women.i think u dislike by man!
lol
lol... \\(^O^ )// o/ \o !!null |
August Personage
Caldari Clarf Inc
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Posted - 2007.10.11 00:44:00 -
[329]
Originally by: Ivor Gunn reply
way to answer on the beginning of my post. i concede that there were a lot of people aligned against them. but for you to claim that all 22 of those allainces where constantly attacking their space is rather far fetched. listing all hostile alliances to m.pire and then saying, "at least 2/3 of them must have been there" is not exactly logical.
in relation to my 6 months statement, i was refering to the amount of time that that had held their space in the north after being given it. i'm not entirely sure of the length of that time, and if it wasn't 0136 in the morning i'd be happy to try and find out, but it is and i'm not going to. i don't belive its been that long, but i don't have any proof.
my point still stands, BoB, whenever they die will not look back and think "damn, i wish we hadn't got rid of M.pire". M.pire have not proven that they are a competant alliance, they have proven that they desparately need a large group to ally themselves with, and will even ally themselves with alliances and corps that they had previous had a particularly unfriendly relation ship with. i do not feel sorry for m.pire, i do not feel that they have not got what they deserved (mmm, double negative), i do not feel that they were an alliance that has proven themselves worthy of respect. although most of this is simply my opinion, it is a fact that m.pire have not proven themselves capable of taking their own space and holding it. it is not extortion to demand reparations for doing someone a favour (someone who does not deserve that favour), it is common sense.
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Suroc
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Posted - 2007.10.11 00:47:00 -
[330]
OOOOOOOOOOOOO Ya signed and signed
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Velios
M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.11 00:47:00 -
[331]
Read my post - we wanted no favours. |
August Personage
Caldari Clarf Inc
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Posted - 2007.10.11 00:48:00 -
[332]
Originally by: torN Deception chatlog
and that is bad why? bob was allowing another alliance the use of their space, they started to overstep their aggreement and hence became hostile. if you have a hostile entity in your space, you remove it, asking it to leave first at least shows some courtesy.
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Phelan Driscoll
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.11 00:49:00 -
[333]
Edited by: Phelan Driscoll on 11/10/2007 00:49:24
Originally by: LadyScarlet rofl !! i do not remember quoting anyone 6 bil per corp i was asked how much to rent 3 particular systems so if you all based your actions w/o double checking or then i feel sorry for you and incase i did happen to miss type all velios or anyone else had to do was double check which i got no mail on it
Do you get a discount if you pay the rent in ham? _________________________ Are GoonSwarm ever going to be allowed to build up in any way in 0.0 space again? No.
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Ivor Gunn
No One Expects The Spanish Inquisition
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Posted - 2007.10.11 00:51:00 -
[334]
Edited by: Ivor Gunn on 11/10/2007 00:52:49
Originally by: August Personage listing all hostile alliances to m.pire and then saying, "at least 2/3 of them must have been there" is not exactly logical.
Quote: if it wasn't 0136 in the morning i'd be happy to try and find out, but it is and i'm not going to
(Oh, and those aren't the alliances that're hostile to m. That was taken from an intel channel used to co-ordinate the attacks on m/fatal/cow. Those were the alliances involved at one point or another on the side of MM/RZR)
Quote: i do not feel sorry for m.pire, i do not feel that they have not got what they deserved (mmm, double negative), i do not feel that they were an alliance that has proven themselves worthy of respect. although most of this is simply my opinion, it is a fact that m.pire have not proven themselves capable of taking their own space and holding it. it is not extortion to demand reparations for doing someone a favour (someone who does not deserve that favour), it is common sense.
Translation: It doesnt matter that they fought for 7 months in our support without even a small break to rebuild since the collapse of LV, it doesn't matter that they held out in the face of nearly 2 dozen hostile alliances with only 2 friends in support, it doesnt matter than they've sacrificed nearly everything they had for us and it doesnt matter that they wanted to get straight back into the fight despite our blatant lack of support, they didnt take our extortionate offer so are obviously cowards and losers unworthy of our respect and friendship.
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Skraeling Shortbus
Caldari The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.10.11 00:54:00 -
[335]
awww @!#% does this mean hargoth and i cant shoot each other?
Welcome gentlemen.
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LTD THOR
Caille Insurance Star Buccaneers
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Posted - 2007.10.11 00:56:00 -
[336]
i red 6 billion the last days and i thought it was more or less a joke to the community.. (maybe it¦s still one!?) if not = ROFL! GL and HF, rock on you m.corps/pires, my best wishes.. o7
O.A.Diplomat
Red Wars*old mov. |
Ant5010
Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.10.11 00:57:00 -
[337]
Man im so gutted after these turns of events. The problem seems more of lack of communication rather than one side fuc king over the other.
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Dungar Loghoth
Caldari Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.10.11 00:58:00 -
[338]
Good to see STK back on the right side.
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Fortuk Monmouth
Priory Of The Lemon R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.10.11 01:02:00 -
[339]
Well M.Pire, my respect for you just went up. Good for you, and i hope that soem of the other BoB "allies" see it your way and dont pay that money...
And Ivor, while there were a lot of alliances agaisnt them, i think your numbers are off, I saw Ekliptika on that list and they never even went up there once, I was in EKP till about a month ago, and due to some internal stuff, most of the members left to PRIK, and a couple of us went to RK. I think the number would have been more like 10-15, and not all at the same time. Still, gj on compiling the list... I'd be too lazy lol
Originally by: hango Our corp chat is generally full of people e-hugging and e-snuggling. ISD is cool like that.
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zilllii
Squirrel Power
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Posted - 2007.10.11 01:03:00 -
[340]
nice dramabomb and the first good decision m.pire has done in a long time. tired of being bob's punchingbag i guess and with being asked to pay for being the same punchingbag even m.pire figured it out in the end.
gl in the future.
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Mortiferus
Minmatar NEXUS CLOUD Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2007.10.11 01:05:00 -
[341]
WOW! Vel, after all you have done to support BOB and there friends for so long this is one of the biggest shock to come down in a long time.
All I can say is SIGNED !
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Sir James
Gallente GALAXIAN RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.11 01:06:00 -
[342]
Originally by: August Personage
6 months sounds like a rather large exageration, and whoever posted 22 hostile alliances needs to either stop posting or show some proof too.
RZR MM Mostly harmless Stella Polar Phoenix Allianz Tri (A few times) SynchronizerZ Raptus Regaliter (Not An Alliance) Circle 0f Two Phalanx Alliance (Red now i belive) Vae Victis. SmashKill ROADKILL Stardust Heavy Industries ( Not An Alliance)
tHats 15 i pulled in about 120 seconds of looking on the razor boards so please don't run around screaming PROOF.. PROOF.. if u have no clue.. they put up a fight. made a call and surrendered. **** happens, would have loved for it to rage on but tbh, we had a lot more than they did and no sense in loosing more than you need to.. Eve = GAME GAME = FUN.. or not for some people that post here
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August Personage
Caldari Clarf Inc
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Posted - 2007.10.11 01:08:00 -
[343]
Originally by: Ivor Gunn things
our? us? i've asked you before not to make such bizarre connections. i am not a member of BoB or the GBC. your choice of whether or not you believe me in that is based on as much fact as whether you believe i'm simply trolling you or if i actually mean what i'm saying, or whether you believe i'm actually a woman or not. you seem to believe that i mean what i am saying easily enough as you are still trying to prove me wrong, so why cling to the belief that i am a BoB alt? either go all the way and ignore what i'm saying if you truly believe that i am a member of bob, or use an argument that is not related to whether or not i'm in bob to try and prove me wrong.
the list of alliances may well of been from an intel channel to co-ordinate attacks on m/fatal/cow, but that does not mean that the majority of alliances you listed contributed in any major way to m.pires downfall. RA and TCF certainly didn't provide any caps (for that matter actually, did anyone?). as you said, i'm sure all the alliances listed there did at some point aid mm and rzr in some way yes, but to then say "they've had 22 alliances constantly attacking their space for 7 months, and they've only jsut given up now" is quite a leap of logic.
let me just re-iterate that as well, m.pire did give up. as far as i'm aware, there was no concentrated and successful attack on the sovreingty of their systems, they gave them up. to put that into context with your little monologue, "it doesn't matter that they fought for x number of months in the north since MC helped them get some space, what matters is they gave that space up and came south, expecting free passage there. then when they were not given the easy ride they expected, they defected to the side of their "swown" enemies"
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Dr Ming
Mindworks
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Posted - 2007.10.11 01:08:00 -
[344]
Wasn't 42 the meaning of life or something?
I found the coincidence rather delicious.
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JeanPaul Sartre
26th of July Movement
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Posted - 2007.10.11 01:08:00 -
[345]
Any room on the bandwagon for me? Such drama!
@Bob! boo hiiisss!
@M.Pire! wise choice!
@my mummy! Hi!
--
Quote: If a victory is told in detail, one can no longer distinguish it from a defeat.
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Ivor Gunn
No One Expects The Spanish Inquisition
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Posted - 2007.10.11 01:08:00 -
[346]
Originally by: Ant5010 Man im so gutted after these turns of events. The problem seems more of lack of communication rather than one side fuc king over the other.
You'd think that, but no.
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August Personage
Caldari Clarf Inc
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Posted - 2007.10.11 01:11:00 -
[347]
Originally by: Sir James
Originally by: August Personage
6 months sounds like a rather large exageration, and whoever posted 22 hostile alliances needs to either stop posting or show some proof too.
RZR MM Mostly harmless Stella Polar Phoenix Allianz Tri (A few times) SynchronizerZ Raptus Regaliter (Not An Alliance) Circle 0f Two Phalanx Alliance (Red now i belive) Vae Victis. SmashKill ROADKILL Stardust Heavy Industries ( Not An Alliance)
tHats 15 i pulled in about 120 seconds of looking on the razor boards so please don't run around screaming PROOF.. PROOF.. if u have no clue.. they put up a fight. made a call and surrendered. **** happens, would have loved for it to rage on but tbh, we had a lot more than they did and no sense in loosing more than you need to.. Eve = GAME GAME = FUN.. or not for some people that post here
i did ask for proof, that they had been under constant attack by 22 hostile alliances. you have presented 15, two of which are not alliances and quite a few others of whom live a consdierable distance away.
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Aaron Mirrorsaver
R.E.C.O.N.
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Posted - 2007.10.11 01:15:00 -
[348]
This is why BOB will lose, they don't have bob and friends, they have bob and renters.
They want people on their side to fight for them when charging them rent? What happened to mutually beneficial relationship? We come together in defense/attack, but still must pay you 6 bill/month for rent?
you shoulda pay the first month rent M.pire then cyno in goonswarm/friends for a seige in the rear.
ignoring the rest.
I just wanted to say, you bob people suck, and that's why 180,000 flame you and your dog sir molle when you post on the forums, so update your posting banner.
R.E.C.O.N. is recruiting |
n0sPIG
Blind Vengeance
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Posted - 2007.10.11 01:25:00 -
[349]
Wouldn't that mean M.Pire would have to leave Anu in order to back all this talk up? |
Incantare
Caldari Darkness Inc.
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Posted - 2007.10.11 01:29:00 -
[350]
Respect for making the right choice M.Pire.
Now KILL THEM ALL.
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MaidMarion
The SMITE Brotherhood
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Posted - 2007.10.11 01:29:00 -
[351]
Respect
Good luck and give em hell
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WakingTea
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Posted - 2007.10.11 01:30:00 -
[352]
/signed
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Morris Falter
The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.10.11 01:35:00 -
[353]
Respect and hats off to m.pire guys, what ever our standings. Here's to a better and more interesting game for all.
Stick to your principles, dont let us down.
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Kagura Nikon
Minmatar MASS HOMICIDE Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.10.11 01:35:00 -
[354]
Repest for looking to get respectful treatment.
BTw I thin k CCp should make an expansion of the card game based on thsi war and this events :P
If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough |
Braitaac
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Posted - 2007.10.11 01:37:00 -
[355]
This thread is probably the best piece of propaganda I have ever seen.
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Manic Mole
VENOM72 Sylph Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.11 01:38:00 -
[356]
wait, what? ---[sig starts here]--- a proud member of Venom72 & Sylph. eveything i say is my personal feeling etc, etc, etc... |
Fellet
Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2007.10.11 01:38:00 -
[357]
Cu on the field M.PIRE goodfights ahead o/
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Kalamurii Izanthor
Aggressive Tendencies Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2007.10.11 01:42:00 -
[358]
Respect :) Now go and help kick bob out da south, you might get some free space, for no charge in the end, and a space station. But thats just a guess :) dont quote me on it.
"My views do not represent those of my corporation or alliance, and possibly even noone elses"
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Orangir
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.11 01:42:00 -
[359]
Originally by: Some RISE guy No offense, Yirr, but BoB treats their pets and allies who aren't MC like utter ****. You guys talk down to us on TS and in chat. I remember one instance, back when I first joined RISE, where we joined BoB TS and were told to stfu. When one of our members accidentally talked over Sir Molle while giving a scouting report all RISE members were moved to a channel named "whiney noobs." Don't even get me started on the "pep talk" Yaay gave us. That was just plain insulting. Yet another time I was on BoB TS during an assault on FAT and a member of FIX stated that they had been a member of DICE. Someone in BoB then said "You left BoB for FIX? That's just plain stupid." I'm sure that made everyone in FIX feel soooooo warm and fuzzy inside.
Pretty asinine behavior towards an alliance that essentially protects your eastern flank. I don't blame M.Pire, an alliance can only take so much.
welp
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FinrodFelagund
Rome Rare Faction
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Posted - 2007.10.11 01:49:00 -
[360]
Much respect to mpire.
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Please Hold
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Posted - 2007.10.11 01:53:00 -
[361]
M.Pire seem to have alot of coats to turn.
Sure .. sure.. the enemy of my enemy is my friends and all... but do M.Pire know whos who anymore?
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Overseer Goth
Logistic Exposium Industries
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Posted - 2007.10.11 01:53:00 -
[362]
After 800 goonies running around in RISE core, I hear they are ready to merge with M.Pire and defeat the slumlords.
Get the rest of the renters to close their coffers to BoB and it will cease to exist in a very short time....after all, its the rent that funds their war effort.
Well done M.Pire...mad respect for people that see the light and refuse the demands of the playground bullies...
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Danari
Amarr Viper Squad Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.10.11 01:54:00 -
[363]
An alliance should always operate from the front foot, not the back, so good on you.
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Great Guardian
Minmatar Celestial Apocalypse
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Posted - 2007.10.11 01:55:00 -
[364]
/respect .... and good luck !!! |
Von Kleist
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.11 02:03:00 -
[365]
Originally by: Kryztal
Originally by: Tomcatt Tholarim you want to say something about the chain of events? Lets, please.
We came down to help you. We came down to fight along side of you despite our past history. We were there to support you.
NO ONE in STK mined a single roid. Maybe a couple of guys shot a rat or two in an NPC station system BEFORE you talked to me, but not after.
My guys were our roaming with Bob and came back to dock for the night and were locked out. They were there when FAT fell, but couldn't dock. This is how you treat your allies? Toss on top of that the 42b for M.Pire each month? That offer came before the lockouts, so what? You were pressuring us into taking it?
M.PIRE doesn't owe you a damn thing.
WTS math skills. It was a standard rent agreement (6billion exclusive const for all of m.pire) that was on the table after getting told to **** off and mind our own buisness when STK was ratting in our home constellation. "oh im not ratting im just testing my sniper setup" lol If your leadership had come to us and asked first we wouldnt have had any problem with M.Pire getting themselves sorted but our space is our space and if you were so called "good allies" you would have respected that and asked insted of just taking.
We are arrogant and our allies and friends know that, we also show respect to those that show us respect. We gave m.pire our respect and got nothing but smack back. With attitude like that your better suited on the other side anyway.
Nice to see Gungan's back in the "mr ASCN's head forum poster guy" position.
Id love to add to this to make you sound like more of a mouthbreathing ******, but I really dont think thats possible. GG Bob, you're just as sh***y as I always thought you were.
Glad to have you guys aboard, M.Pire. o7
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Mag's
MASS Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service
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Posted - 2007.10.11 02:04:00 -
[366]
Wow, much respect to M.Pire.
Mag's
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Map Screen
Flat Earth Society Derek Knows Us
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Posted - 2007.10.11 02:07:00 -
[367]
Originally by: Tholarim I wonder if the STK leadership told everyone what really went down before the 6 billion fee was requested.
Maybe they shoulldn't have started mining and npcing in delve without asking the alliance owning said space.
Maybe Tomcatt was lying to me when i talked to him about this just this sunday/monday. And then actually proceeded to have a conversation with Goons about possibly joining the coalition the same day. Yes that last one really helped your situation.
If there's 1 thing i regret, is actually not setting you to negative becus we felt the actions of STK shouldn't affect the whole of Mpire alliance.
I be seeing you velios. 2nd time now. tsk tsk
This is the reason why bob invaded catch, to collect on back taxes from TT when he rented delve to those farmers.
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Jamie 315
Yet Another CAOD Inspired 1 Woman Alt Corp
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Posted - 2007.10.11 02:07:00 -
[368]
Originally by: Jomin Herdsy BoB didn't want those allies anyway. c/d?
Confirm.
TBH this is one of the final nails in bobs coffin. Sure m. pire was not directly involved down south, but they kept the north and drone scum busy. Now the north and drone scum are board so their raiding gangs may start visiting mcfixbobbits.
I mean come on ppl. M. Pire is a valuable asset to either side. Dread fleet (rumor has it theirs about 25 dreads), bs fleet, their t2 bpos, their 4 mums, the fact they can stand on their own two feet. Not to mention they may have some good FCs.
Recruiting is open |
Oofig VanDoogan
The Knighthawks FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.11 02:08:00 -
[369]
Everything has come full circle :D
Here be carebears! |
reSkippy
Gallente The Silent Rage M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.11 02:09:00 -
[370]
signed
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agent apple
Applied Eugenics Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2007.10.11 02:09:00 -
[371]
Almost as good as the time some chinese guy told molle in his best engrish he had personally spoken with BOB leadership and definitely had the right to rat in delve.
Eve what it lacks in frames per second it more than makes up for with drama per thread.
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Vasili Z
Beasts of Burden YouWhat
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Posted - 2007.10.11 02:13:00 -
[372]
Ya.... that was pretty dumb BoB. -------
Everything I say represents my corporation and their views.
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Zuberi
Minmatar M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.11 02:14:00 -
[373]
Tough call to make....but in the end M. Pire will do what it has to do to stick together and have fun.
/signed
I miss MC already.
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Alias11
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.11 02:15:00 -
[374]
M. Pire I'll have you know that the privilege of dying alongside us only costs 5,999,999,999.99 isk per month! It's a Steal!
Welcome aboard, I guess?
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Fabrice Enchante
Gallente Active Measures Derek Knows Us
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Posted - 2007.10.11 02:15:00 -
[375]
Greed is good.... in the 80's!
================<ACTME>======================= Solutions to problems require Active Measures. |
Jade Imp
Caldari M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.11 02:21:00 -
[376]
Signed For the M.PIRE! |
Farham
AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2007.10.11 02:26:00 -
[377]
Quote: Now the north and drone scum are board so their raiding gangs may start visiting mcfixbobbits.
I would just like to say that we of the "drone scum" prefer the term "drone maggots". Please update your CAOD manual and I will get the memo out later.
Intrepid Crossing Diplomat and All Around Major Idiot |
BuIIseye
Amarr Pax Amarria Corp
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Posted - 2007.10.11 02:28:00 -
[378]
Good Choice, remember Velios, always blame someone else.
------------------------------ Yes i am hax0r
Because of the name I have a higher chance of a wrecking shot, please don't tell the GM's or they'll nerf me =/ |
Jennai
The Silent Rage M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.11 02:29:00 -
[379]
Originally by: Please Hold M.Pire seem to have alot of coats to turn.
Sure .. sure.. the enemy of my enemy is my friends and all... but do M.Pire know whos who anymore?
right now? absolutely.
everyone is neutral except a few that haven't had their standings reset yet.
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Gungankllr
Caldari STK Scientific M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.11 02:30:00 -
[380]
Originally by: Coranor I really don't know what you expected gungan.
Nothing really, just not for long term allies to treat us like we were some joe schmoo on a 10 day trial trying to figure out how to get out of Kisogo.
Quote: Seriously you give up in the north all of a sudden(without even losing a station btw) and by the next day nearly you show up and start mining in delve of all places.
Considering you weren't there in the middle of what we were dealing with, I don't think you've got any room to speak down to us on leaving allies high and dry.
Quote: You leave your allies in the north hanging and expect us to reward you for it.
So. We come down south to help you guys shoot your enemies, after locking horns with the entirety of the north on your behalf for months. We didn't expect any rewards, just the ability to make isk to replace losses, which is a completely normal thing unless you have somebody that can spawn isk for you or something.
Quote: Nah, that costs 6 bill a month no matter how you look at it(its just 6 bill btw, not per corp at all)
Maybe that's normal but that isn't what was brought to us.
Quote: Now I was quite happy for you guys to move down and shoot stuff up with us. I was quite happy for you guys to take a little chunk of space for yourselves(your own space, no rent no oversight no interference from us) once you'd put the work in as most of us were. But your guys seem to think that it should all be handed to you on a plate.
We have been putting in work as you so put it for a hellofa long time now in the interests of friendship with you guys. The statement you just made completely contradicts what your leadership presented us. Would have, could have, should have.
Now all of a sudden you want to come on the forums and claim that if we would have stuck it out with you we would have earned our own space, or whatever.
Quote:
The fact that your directors found out that they wouldn't be handed whatever they wanted meant that they decided to run and have a chat with sesfan(Yeah we got the logs).
Of course we did. We did the intelligent thing for our alliance, which was to look at all possibilities and make an informed decision for the good of our members.
Quote: Now i got no hard feelings about that. You do whats best for your alliances and your corps but you can't claim the omg loyalty card here.
POT > KETTLE > BLACK
Where was your loyalty to us? Many of us looked beyond old anger and put our alliance ahead of personal remembrances... and then you guys showed everyone just what you thought of us.
Quote: Bottom line is that you were out for yourselves here. There was never any loyalty to either us or even MC, the guys who set you up in the north. You bailed on fatal and cow, knowing that they couldn't hold the area on their own, without even having to try and defend one of your stations and you ran down south expecting to be welcomed with open arms by one side or the other.
This is quite possibly the most ludicrous thing I've ever seen considering everything I have experienced since joining M.Pire.
Quote: You were an honest guy when you were in bnc mate. Hell even in ascn you were the man in their leadership that was spending his time helping his alliance instead of trying to demonise us. Now is not the time to buck the trend of a lifetime.
Which is what I am doing now.
I will continue to call it as I see it.
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Grath Telkin
Amarr STK Scientific M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.11 02:31:00 -
[381]
/singed
sorry im late, couldnt find my pen
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Dravun
Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2007.10.11 02:32:00 -
[382]
Am I the only one that finds it ironic that the post about having BoB loyalty and now parting ways is made by a former ASCN corp?
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Xenea
Amarr Paladin Imperium Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.11 02:34:00 -
[383]
And so the Will of our beloved Almighty be known to all who bear witness to this glorius day -- another laser has been added to His Divine battery of righteous and indominable fury. May your targetting be true, heretic warriors of M. Pire, and you strike at the very heart of the Grand Deciever himself. Decieved no more as the Light of Truth shines on! Let the sweetened words of the Liar now fall upon deafened ears forever more. So mote it be in the name of Lord God, Amarr Victor. |
Nalta Nightbringer
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Posted - 2007.10.11 02:39:00 -
[384]
Goodluck M. Pire! As of this post, you'll always be blue to me
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Mr Broker
Amarr Station Gremlings
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Posted - 2007.10.11 02:40:00 -
[385]
Pro-tip, don't use capitals carelessly or without ally support.
Good luck M. PIRE
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Modok Strongsauce
The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.10.11 02:40:00 -
[386]
Respect to M.Pire.
BTW FIX: Keep talking ****, seriously, keep talking.
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w0rmy
M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.11 02:53:00 -
[387]
Originally by: Tholarim Edited by: Tholarim on 10/10/2007 22:47:37 I wonder if the STK leadership told everyone what really went down before the 6 billion fee was requested.
Maybe they shoulldn't have started mining and npcing in delve without asking the alliance owning said space.
Maybe Tomcatt was lying to me when i talked to him about this just this sunday/monday. And then actually proceeded to have a conversation with Goons about possibly joining the coalition the same day. Yes that last one really helped your situation.
"Dear MPIRE
Please feel free to come down and help us, placing your ships on the line for us.
However, please ensure that during times of no ops, you do not cover your expenses in being here.
regards, Robert"
Originally by: CCP Oveur I'm very sorry w0rmy, I beg your forgiveness.
Originally by: Dianabolic I was never sworn to secrecy, w0rmy, sorry to dissappoint you.
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Maximoff
Gallente Aquilae Stellaris YouWhat
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Posted - 2007.10.11 02:53:00 -
[388]
Originally by: Sir James
Originally by: August Personage
6 months sounds like a rather large exageration, and whoever posted 22 hostile alliances needs to either stop posting or show some proof too.
RZR MM Mostly harmless Stella Polar Phoenix Allianz Tri (A few times) SynchronizerZ Raptus Regaliter (Not An Alliance) Circle 0f Two Phalanx Alliance (Red now i belive) Vae Victis. SmashKill ROADKILL Stardust Heavy Industries ( Not An Alliance)
tHats 15 i pulled in about 120 seconds of looking on the razor boards so please don't run around screaming PROOF.. PROOF.. if u have no clue.. they put up a fight. made a call and surrendered. **** happens, would have loved for it to rage on but tbh, we had a lot more than they did and no sense in loosing more than you need to.. Eve = GAME GAME = FUN.. or not for some people that post here
1)pure 2)rule of three 3)mostly harmless 4)praesidium libertatis 5)hydra 6)the makhai 7)insurgency 8)combined planetary union 9)I.R.O.N 10)RZR 11)MM 12)Stella Polar 13)Phoenix Allianz 14)Tri (A few times) (many times all big fight+many roaming) 15)SynchronizerZ 16)Raptus Regaliter (Not An Alliance) 17)Circle 0f Two 18)Phalanx Alliance (Red now i belive) 19)Vae Victis. 20)SmashKill 21)ROADKILL 22)cruel intention
just for stay at 22. if i force my mind i discover another..
(i mention all involved on roaming-attack fatal-fallen-cow-mpire) do not count only involved on big fight.. have all time roaming of 20+ enemy alliance= give no time for new north to make money/restore , than i think this work must be considerated important like a big fight)
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Defientess
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Posted - 2007.10.11 02:57:00 -
[389]
/sighned talk about slashed in the back multiple times :( o/ mcorp
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Fearless Sheep
Caldari 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.10.11 02:57:00 -
[390]
Respect for fights! Respect for not disbanding after the defeat! Respect for declining the "offer"! Respect for more fights!
Democracy is when 2 wolves and a sheep meet to decide who is for dinner. Liberty is when the sheep has a gun. |
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Alias11
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.11 03:01:00 -
[391]
Originally by: Vasili Z Edited by: Vasili Z on 11/10/2007 02:35:35 On second thought... cowards.
Might I ask why snubbing their noses at the guys who tried to charge them six large a month to die for them qualifies them as cowards?
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WrathOfOprah
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.11 03:05:00 -
[392]
Edited by: WrathOfOprah on 11/10/2007 03:05:32
Originally by: Alias11
Originally by: Vasili Z Edited by: Vasili Z on 11/10/2007 02:35:35 On second thought... cowards.
Might I ask why snubbing their noses at the guys who tried to charge them six large a month to die for them qualifies them as cowards?
Ah, he's just stressin' cuz he knows hes about to be homeless.
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Kyguard
Fire Mandrill
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Posted - 2007.10.11 03:06:00 -
[393]
Originally by: Velios The ISK sums being mentioned here are totally irrelevant.
MPIRE had ZERO interest on being occupiers of any BoB land, we left our fight in the North in tact and willing to pour our considerable player base directly into the front lines to help MC fight the fight.
The fact is that BoB have clearly gate-crashed an MC party in FAT, and then proceeded to claim 100% the credit in that absolutely ridiculous Molle proclaimation. BoB (former ATUK mostly) then think so little of us as to prefer creating wallet-busting rental deals (wtf) before considering the real reason we were in FAT - just to fight the fight.
Did it make you feel empowered to put the squeeze on us that night, did you get a hard-on?
Damage was done that evening, MPIRE DO have standards, and we are frankly not amused.
I now see great opportunities for the future of EVE now we have made this choice, it's like somebody flicked a light switch.
Allies join "MPIRE LOBBY" to initiate battle plans.
I always thought you were the biggest **** on eve-o Velios - probably still are but damn, RESPECT. -
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Sha Kharn
Minmatar STK Scientific M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.11 03:10:00 -
[394]
signed
and
lmao BOB, no really I take my hat off to you, its been awhile but im sure we can have some fun again just like the old days, so thank you for turning us away I for one am greatful.
See you inspace once more
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Draco4444
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Posted - 2007.10.11 03:12:00 -
[395]
signed!
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aknahra
Serenity Mining
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Posted - 2007.10.11 03:15:00 -
[396]
RSF is at peace with M.Pire.
RSF has always been at peace with M.Pire
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CHAOS100
Momentum. The Reckoning.
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Posted - 2007.10.11 03:18:00 -
[397]
All other pets should see this as an example: You could bend over and crawl backwards through BoB's tunnel and there still wont be any light no matter how far you go. --------------
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Jonathan Peterbilt
Caldari Damage Unlimited Inc
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Posted - 2007.10.11 03:21:00 -
[398]
Originally by: CHAOS100 All other pets should see this as an example: You could bend over and crawl backwards through BoB's tunnel and there still wont be any light no matter how far you go.
D2?
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Danalog
STK Scientific M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.11 03:23:00 -
[399]
Damn you, real life, for making me late!
Signed
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Koronos
Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.10.11 03:25:00 -
[400]
Great post, great thread. Always liked M.Pire, way to reclaim due respect from the eve community and good luck with the transition.
Koronos
P.S. Really thought the 6b story was a joke, except it was from Velios, and it didn't sound like a joke. Well BoB, I think the joke's on you. Victory cascade.
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Nisana
No Quarter. Vae Victis.
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Posted - 2007.10.11 03:28:00 -
[401]
Welcome! /respect ----------
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Stormrane Twostone
Templars of Space Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.11 03:30:00 -
[402]
hahaha bob. ive fought along side these guys. they would of killed more than 6 bill a month for use. now its gonna be use loosing over 6 bill a month to them.
im not sure how all the diplo stuff is working but i hope were blue to u guys
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Crouasg
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Posted - 2007.10.11 03:31:00 -
[403]
Oh snap *****le and pop. Nice move m pire keep it comming.
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Adeena Torcfist
Caldari Onyx Brotherhood M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.11 03:32:00 -
[404]
6 billion Each corp?
thats the funniest thing ever. Time to eradicate this old alliance. & those actually paying that are even more dumb than those requesting it.
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Agmar
Game-Over
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Posted - 2007.10.11 03:37:00 -
[405]
KOS is way _______
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wrexiful
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Posted - 2007.10.11 03:40:00 -
[406]
This alt thinks M.Pire is listening to STF Scientific a little too much, old axes to grind anyone
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T'Karr
Minmatar Union Of Xtreme Military M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.11 03:42:00 -
[407]
Originally by: Coranor Bottom line is that you were out for yourselves here. There was never any loyalty to either us or even MC, the guys who set you up in the north. You bailed on fatal and cow, knowing that they couldn't hold the area on their own, without even having to try and defend one of your stations and you ran down south expecting to be welcomed with open arms by one side or the other.
ofc you leave aside the reason behind MC stirring up the north and M.Pire being there was to take the heat off you in the south. So yes, you are totally right, we want our free lunch.
Hey, maybe we can have Delve, I'm hoping you wont be needing it soon.
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Ponderous Thunderstroke
Republic War Machine Industries
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Posted - 2007.10.11 03:45:00 -
[408]
Dear BloB,
"Oops."
Signed,
EVE
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Jhyme
Amarr Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.11 03:51:00 -
[409]
Good job M.Pire.
I hope the BoB pets realize how screwed over they are, paying money to BoB to serve as their meat shield (two alliances in the south come to mind). You probably have seen this before, but BoB doesn't care if you die or not. If you die, they can cherry pick your best pvpers while letting the rest of your corp hang. In case you decide to stick together, they can charge you 6 billion per month.
Get rid of your oppressors first-- it's not too late to fight your old enemies (like the goons) or fly with your new found friends afterwards.
Btw, I think your logo has probably one of the most professional look of any alliance in the game (alongside Triumvirate's logo).
Regards, Jhyme
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THE BO0S
Onyx Brotherhood M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.11 03:55:00 -
[410]
Edited by: THE BO0S on 11/10/2007 03:55:33 6 Bil???No kidding???Way so much ... and for corp??? WTF??? Are ya serios??? I`ll never agree that that means i have to play 1 mounth just to pay out...so what else they wana rip us whit... i prefere stay in 0.5+...:)) So i`m sry i don`t agree whit that if it counts my point...I agree to join them but for free or fo a decent price...
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Fley Allstar
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.10.11 03:55:00 -
[411]
Signed
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Sentinel Eeex
Caldari DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.11 03:56:00 -
[412]
Originally by: Tholarim Edited by: Tholarim on 10/10/2007 22:47:37 I wonder if the STK leadership told everyone what really went down before the 6 billion fee was requested.
Maybe they shoulldn't have started mining and npcing in delve without asking the alliance owning said space.
Quote:
Here are the events from my side as active Co-CEO of MPIRE (Vel isn't around all that much), I was involved with 90% of it first hand (Sorry for the text wall, I know its long... but accurate):
1) We surrender in the North. Just because we didn't post everytime a POS died, or a fleet fight happened, or carriers died - its looks to the uninvolved people like we just up and surrendered. We were ground down non-stop by a numerically superior force for weeks beforehand (ask RZR or MM or CI). In addition, our allies were suffering from some attendance problems as could be plainly seen in teamspeak during the major push against BKG - sure we could have hung on another week, the outcome would have been the same.
2) MPIRE/FATAL/COW hop on TS with Selene. Selene tells us about MC's current action around FAT. FATAL announces they're breaking up, COW is going to shoot some out of NPC regions, and MPIRE decides we'll join up with MC for some shooty shooty around FAT.
3) Friday I get an MSN from Selene while I'm at work (I still have it saved) which has 2 pieces of information for me - Standings list and pos timers for FAT saying be here for Sunday/Monday, they are make or break days, we need you. No other instructions.
4) I tell my guys to get moving, support to 49-Derek, caps to gyerzen. There are no offices available anywhere around. STK picks up an office just across the border at an NPC station in Delve.
5) Sunday We fight at FAT all day and then go shoot the newly sov'd BOB stations at N-5 and V2-. Lazyb of M.CORP rents an M.CORP office in V2-.
Then the bull**** starts...
6) Tomcatt (getting yelled at by Thol) and Lazyb (in convo with LadyScarlet) both convo me at the same time, apparently Thol is blowing up at STK for having rented an office in Delve and some STK guy (whose name could not be provided by BOB) was seen ratting. NP, we can fix this quick, STK only wanted an office close to the front. BOB suggests H74 first, but we double check and its still full just like it was before. We ask if the new station at 5-N is ok in the middle of catch. BOB says yes via the LazyB/Lady Scarlet Convo.. Great, conflict over, back to pew pew.
7) Tomcatt flies over to the approved station of 5-N to rent, MPIRE can no longer rent offices?! Wtfux, worked for us earlier - oh well, sorry STK, try getting one in an NPC station on the edge of Stain, that should work good for some front line pew pew.
8) Later LazyB reopens the convo with me saying hes being told by Lady Scarlet that we need to have a deal with BOB if we want to use their stations. LazyB and Lady Scarlet hammer out a deal that would have us getting a few stations over in eastern catch, on the bleeding edge of the front so we can fight, several weeks down the road, and in exchange our rental deal would be helping to hold bob sov in other systems by running some towers in FAT/25s. Lazyb runs the deal by me and I tell him thats sounds OK to me. Keep in mind I'm getting MSN cut and pastes of this whole convo, its also posted by lazyb on our director forum.
9) I'm moving cyno alts and siege fuels to V2- to resupply our dreads for more fighting and whats this.. I can't dock anymore, wtf.. scream in MC ALLIED OPS a bit, everyone ignores me.
10) Word comes back from BOB via lazyb "final word from molle and BOB if we want space we have to pay and be renters if we want a const it will be 6B a month no strigns attached except for payment." At this point I'm starting to get fed up with the bull****, paying anything for the privilege of putting out cap fleet and guys on the line seems pretty crazy. OK, so f BOB, we're just gonna stick around and help MC, everyone rough it.
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Sentinel Eeex
Caldari DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.11 03:57:00 -
[413]
Quote:
11) Monday around 23:00 Corp chat and convos light up, WTF, we can no longer dock in 25s now, I docked there an hour ago before I went out on this roaming gang with these BOB guys?!? many of our guys yelling in MC ALLIED OPS, and.... nothing....
12) At this point I was pretty livid because my game time was being ruined for yet another day by BOB bull****. I logged out.
13) I log in the next day and Tomcatt convos me and tells me that goons are making us an offer - I'm pretty sure the log of this convo has been leaked all over hell and back, so I wont repost...
The most interesting thing to note is the timestamp. No matter how much BOB claims the bull**** they put on us was due to our talks with goons, the initial talks with goons by Tomcatt happened AFTER all the above bull****.
Many people are also claiming WE misunderstood the deal offered by BOB, yet I still have all the cut-n-paste and convos from lazyb and lady scarlet... There was no misunderstanding... We asked for up fighting stations up front that we would help take, not some cozy carebear stations in the back of delve to be handed to us.
My personal gut tells me that BOB leadership figured they could make our lives a little difficult and we'd fall in line like good little renters because this is where we wanted to be. But when we didn't they had to backpedal and tried to spin damage control.
Sorry to MC, we were really looking forward to fighting with you guys again as we had a ton of fun last time. Unfortunately for us, your employer sucked all the fun right out in just a few short days.
(^^ Taken from SHC)
Tholarim. Credibility. .
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Schry Evolon
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Posted - 2007.10.11 03:57:00 -
[414]
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Philounet
Altera Odyssea Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.10.11 03:59:00 -
[415]
I knew that the lead of BOB was somehow ****** up, with its array of megalomaniacs, but to even ask...why do I write ask...but to even order an ally to foot a bill for rental when this ally sends ships to the front goes beyond imagination.
Gosh even if it's 6b Isk, how do these guys dare to ask even 1 Isk for ppl to fight their war, and after steal victory as Sirmou did with MC
I believe that BOB leaders are so awash with Isk paid by their pets/slaves they don't even remember that most of us need to farm/mine/produce to pay for our ships and mods.
It really comes as a shock to read how you have been treated as an ally and how BOB is milking other corps and alliances. It's never too late to revolt against tirrany.
Welcome aboard the fight against the dark side M.Pire
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Ponderous Thunderstroke
Republic War Machine Industries
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Posted - 2007.10.11 04:02:00 -
[416]
I've said it before, and I'll say it again...
...Hubris, thy name is BoB.
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titanstory
Section XIII Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.10.11 04:03:00 -
[417]
welcome o7
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SpaceMoose
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.11 04:10:00 -
[418]
Originally by: aknahra RSF is at peace with M.Pire.
RSF has always been at peace with M.Pire
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Josta Webisna
Gallente M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.11 04:17:00 -
[419]
*signed
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Wrayeth
Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.10.11 04:20:00 -
[420]
D'oh! There go my plans for saying "It's a good bet the M.Pire knows we're here..." the next time we got scouted by them on combat ops down south. Oh, well.
Seriously, props to M.Pire for refusing to be lackeys and having to pay for the privilege. Respect. -Wrayeth n00b Extraordinaire
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Ridley Scot
Caldari Wyland-Yutani Corporation
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Posted - 2007.10.11 04:28:00 -
[421]
Edited by: Ridley Scot on 11/10/2007 04:29:12 Its all MCs fault... They gave you free stuff and you failed to hold it. Now you came back asking for more free stuff. Do you really think that kissing RA and Goon butt will help you actually hold a piece of 0.0? Lets hope you stay on that side longer then -V- turncoats. I thought KOS was the worst... If you are so desparate at least keep the dignity. -----------------------------------------------
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Xaeon
Murder-Death-Kill
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Posted - 2007.10.11 04:29:00 -
[422]
Best of luck
Chapter VII 23/06/07 |
Alice Cholmondeley
I Am Legend
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Posted - 2007.10.11 04:32:00 -
[423]
Originally by: Sentinel Eeex
Credibility. .
Something you are severely lacking. |
Havras
The Syndicate Inc
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Posted - 2007.10.11 04:35:00 -
[424]
Edited by: Havras on 11/10/2007 04:37:03
Originally by: Kryztal
lol bitter ? this is exactly what i wanted so there is no bitterness :p
Just fixing up these "missunderstandings" that m.pire leadership obviously fed to their members :P
LOL. Here we go with the standard BOB "call the alliance leader liars" spin. Always fall back to an old standard when an unpleasant truth comes out.
Respect M.Pire, glad your backbone is still straight.
Quote: If an advisor says to me "My liege, he is but one man. What can one man possibly do?", I will reply "This." and kill the advisor.
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Lasakywa
Section XIII Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.10.11 04:35:00 -
[425]
Ow +o
Nice move M.Pire, respect !
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Exortius Amarrus
The Clearwater Society Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.10.11 04:38:00 -
[426]
Edited by: Exortius Amarrus on 11/10/2007 04:38:51
Originally by: Sentinel Eeex
Quote:
10) Word comes back from BOB via lazyb "final word from molle and BOB if we want space we have to pay and be renters if we want a const it will be 6B a month no strigns attached except for payment."
Hmmmmm. So which M.Pire official should we believe? You are not dancing to the same tune.
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Cefte
Gray Ivy GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.11 04:39:00 -
[427]
Originally by: Alice Cholmondeley
Something you are severely lacking.
I doubted the big-name BoB alts would dare to even show their faces in this thread, but I was wrong. I guess it makes sense, if you minimize your exposure by carefully ignoring every aspect of the main topic of discussion and instead make formulaic snipes at bystanders.
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Crypt
Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.10.11 04:40:00 -
[428]
6b isk a month, you get to put your assets on the line for them and they will treat you like **** as well? Dude! what a bargain!
Good job M.pire on telling them to **** off, anyone with any kind of self respect would've done the same.
Quote: It is a poor sort of man who is content to be spoon-fed knowledge that has been filtered through the canon of religious or political belief. ~ Louis L'Amour
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Alice Cholmondeley
I Am Legend
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Posted - 2007.10.11 04:41:00 -
[429]
Originally by: Cefte
Originally by: Alice Cholmondeley
Something you are severely lacking.
I doubted the big-name BoB alts would dare to even show their faces in this thread, but I was wrong. I guess it makes sense, if you minimize your exposure by carefully ignoring every aspect of the main topic of discussion and instead make formulaic snipes at bystanders.
Isn't that what all Goons in this thread are doing? You must be the special one at Gooncamp. |
Josta Webisna
Gallente M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.11 04:43:00 -
[430]
Originally by: Wrayeth D'oh! There go my plans for saying "It's a good bet the M.Pire knows we're here..." the next time we got scouted by them on combat ops down south. Oh, well.
Seriously, props to M.Pire for refusing to be lackeys and having to pay for the privilege. Respect.
Don't think we didnt notice your roaming gangs and have flashbacks to the north......LOL
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Cefte
Gray Ivy GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.11 04:47:00 -
[431]
Originally by: Alice Cholmondeley
Isn't that what all Goons in this thread are doing? You must be the special one at Gooncamp.
No, my dear, we're sniping at you, and in this mess BoB are not bystanders, you're the primary muppets, in glorious technicolour.
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Achaiah
Black Bag Ops
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Posted - 2007.10.11 04:47:00 -
[432]
It seems like the right decision have been made. It must have been a tough call.
I find it hilarious that the northern alliances that waged war against M.PIRE treated them with more respect during the war then BOB did when M.PIRE were in the process of putting capitals and support fleet on BOBs front line to help out.
If an organized alliance with a reasonable strong cap fleet wants to help you fight on the front lines and you demand they pay rent for it (no matter how much), how much need do they have to spin anything!? I guess that MCÆs victory set the good old BoB hubris on overdrive, I wonder how BoB would have acted if M.PIRE had come down south 2 weeks ago.
Respect to M.PIRE for not bending over.
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Alias11
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.11 04:51:00 -
[433]
So assuming that delve is georgia and large control towers are cases of coors whos burt reynolds and who's driving the truck?
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Gneeznow
Minmatar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.10.11 04:55:00 -
[434]
Originally by: Alice Cholmondeley
Originally by: Cefte
Originally by: Alice Cholmondeley
Something you are severely lacking.
I doubted the big-name BoB alts would dare to even show their faces in this thread, but I was wrong. I guess it makes sense, if you minimize your exposure by carefully ignoring every aspect of the main topic of discussion and instead make formulaic snipes at bystanders.
Isn't that what all Goons in this thread are doing? You must be the special one at Gooncamp.
Goons just got :iceburn: by a reikoku alt
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Wrayeth
Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.10.11 04:56:00 -
[435]
Originally by: Josta Webisna Don't think we didnt notice your roaming gangs and have flashbacks to the north......LOL
I'm not even down there yet.
My wallet needs loving before I can cover any sustained operations. Damned invention noobs killing the ISK I was making from my siege II BPO. -Wrayeth n00b Extraordinaire
"Look, pa! I just contributed absolutely nothing to this thread!" |
Alice Cholmondeley
I Am Legend
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Posted - 2007.10.11 04:58:00 -
[436]
Originally by: Cefte
Originally by: Alice Cholmondeley
Isn't that what all Goons in this thread are doing? You must be the special one at Gooncamp.
No, my dear, we're sniping at you, and in this mess BoB are not bystanders, you're the primary muppets, in glorious technicolour.
You would think technicolour would persuade more Goons for an in depth look. Instead they are blurting out the first piece of propaganda that pops into their pea-sized brain. |
Celdorae
Caldari The Silent Rage M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.11 04:59:00 -
[437]
Signed.
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Havras
The Syndicate Inc
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Posted - 2007.10.11 05:01:00 -
[438]
Originally by: August Personage their alliance with RSF now doesn't doesn't demonstrate the ability to go anywhere at all, that demonstrates their unwillingness to actually do something for themselves and their ridiculous reliance on any other alliance, even if it has to be their "oldest, bitterest enemy". had gone on to take their own space from someone else, rather than what they will do now, which is simply ride on the coat tails of another organisation; i would agree with you, that m.pire is a capable alliance, who would make a worthy addition to the RSF, and that the GBC would have quite clearly made a huge mistake in turning them away. as it stands, i can't say i do.
And their ability to hold space is being judge by you based on.. your entire 11 months of experience playing eve in a 2 member alt corp... right? Grow some balls and post with your main.
Quote: If an advisor says to me "My liege, he is but one man. What can one man possibly do?", I will reply "This." and kill the advisor.
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MacArvid
Gallente M. Corp
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Posted - 2007.10.11 05:01:00 -
[439]
I would like to fight, i like to fight, i like to fight ppl that fight me.......
I dont like to pay bills, i dont like ppl that trys to make money out of me.
lets go pew pew
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Delerium Primus
Old Folks Retirement Home
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Posted - 2007.10.11 05:01:00 -
[440]
Edited by: Delerium Primus on 11/10/2007 05:01:47 I made a motivational video in our last battles up north to spur on the troops (before I left mpire) but i beleive it portrays what i think about their decision today.
Motivational Video
Caution: Contains strong language.
Del
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Bein Glorious
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.11 05:02:00 -
[441]
Originally by: Alice Cholmondeley
You would think technicolour would persuade more Goons for an in depth look. Instead they are blurting out the first piece of propaganda that pops into their pea-sized brain.
ma'am i work in a hospital and i have to say you have the worst burns i have ever seen |
Lerathe Vespaldia
Caldari The Silent Rage M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.11 05:03:00 -
[442]
Well...
so long, and thanks for all the fish.
/sign pew pew! |
Taj Zela
Minmatar Haha It Is To Laugh
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Posted - 2007.10.11 05:05:00 -
[443]
Originally by: Ponderous Thunderstroke Dear BloB,
"Oops."
Signed,
EVE
Jim Rome called and he said you are a****got.
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Alice Cholmondeley
I Am Legend
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Posted - 2007.10.11 05:06:00 -
[444]
Originally by: Bein Glorious
Originally by: Alice Cholmondeley
You would think technicolour would persuade more Goons for an in depth look. Instead they are blurting out the first piece of propaganda that pops into their pea-sized brain.
ma'am i work in a hospital and i have to say you have the worst burns i have ever seen
Call more whaaaambulances, 'cause one round-trip won't be enough. |
Devian 666
Sectoid Technologies
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Posted - 2007.10.11 05:18:00 -
[445]
It's obvious from the posts that there's been tension between BoB and M.Pire for some time. A bit of diplomacy on both sides would've smoothed things out.
Basically BoB carebears are complaining that a few people shot some rats and mined some roids are whined and complained at this huge travesty. In the early days of refugees moving around there's gonna be some confusion and tension. Some sympathy while shunting them into a constellation might have helped that is if there intention was to move in for ratting.
Perhaps taking time to communicate and allowing it to filter through the ranks might have been a better option rather than increasing your list of enemies.
I agree I don't have the features to be a holoreel star. Originally by: rycar Devian 666 is awesome quote this if you're down
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Lord Sandoko
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Posted - 2007.10.11 05:24:00 -
[446]
signed
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FinrodFelagund
Rome Rare Faction
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Posted - 2007.10.11 05:28:00 -
[447]
Originally by: Delerium Primus Edited by: Delerium Primus on 11/10/2007 05:01:47 I made a motivational video in our last battles up north to spur on the troops (before I left mpire) but i beleive it portrays what i think about their decision today.
Motivational Video
Caution: Contains strong language.
Del
Full speed eve at its best! That pancake dude scares me when he shows up in my belts as well.
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Indocus GoodSmoke
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Posted - 2007.10.11 05:31:00 -
[448]
SIGNED
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Oni Naga
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Posted - 2007.10.11 05:31:00 -
[449]
/signed
And what the hell? I go to sleep, no thread. I wake up and there is 16 pages?
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Raddis
M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.11 05:33:00 -
[450]
Balls of steel!!!!!! Signed
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Haros
Redemption Inc
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Posted - 2007.10.11 06:05:00 -
[451]
Edited by: Haros on 11/10/2007 06:05:34 Tactic 1 = Get pets or ppl who believe they are friends (even at leadership level) Tactic 2 = Throw them at the meatgrinder for as long as it takes. Tactic 3 = Once semi dead, use enemy forum presence to recruit their members in your ranks.
Virtual Slavery 4tl.
I would love to see Velios - Chow convos for this one :)
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Chomapuraku
Templar Republic R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.10.11 06:06:00 -
[452]
correct me if i'm wrong, but....
m.pire holds the line in the north under steadily escalating pressure for several months, keeping the heat off of BOB. when they see the writing on the wall in BKG with the growing dogpile of alliances at the gates, they decide to cut their losses and withdraw. confusion ensues, one or two members are spotted carebearing in BOB space. BOB, apparently disappointed that their meatshield didn't sacrifice all of its assets holding off its enemies for another week, is appalled at the disrespect shown by these weaklings that couldn't even hold their own against the inexhaustable horde of enemies they themselves had created. meatshield asks for nothing more than a spot on the front lines and some space to support it, BOB leadership ego-trips and tells them they're worthy of nothing more than the same ****ty deal the rest of the pets get.
the arrogance and complacency among BOB's leadership will be its undoing. TRI took the role of EVE's foremost bare-knuckled pvp crew, while BOB is looked at as just a collection of megalomaniacal landlords with nothing but disdain for the rest of the player base. it's nice to see TRI steamrolling your lapdogs in the northwest, and it'll be even nicer to see them take your space.
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Zylatis
Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.10.11 06:07:00 -
[453]
Edited by: Zylatis on 11/10/2007 06:10:18
Originally by: Kryztal
lol bitter ? this is exactly what i wanted so there is no bitterness :p
Just fixing up these "missunderstandings" that m.pire leadership obviously fed to their members :P
Maybe they just want to be on the winning side for a change
\o/ Nyx's for everyone. Nice move, lets go pew pew.
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Royaldo
Gallente KVA Noble Inc. Institute of Cooperative Education
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Posted - 2007.10.11 06:08:00 -
[454]
Edited by: Royaldo on 11/10/2007 06:14:58
Originally by: Alice Cholmondeley
Originally by: Sentinel Eeex
Credibility. .
Something you are severely lacking.
ah alice.. the alt with credibility again
Is the fat lady still singing? edit: m.pire guys dont fall for the rubbish devide and conquer
i mean come on, look at all the alts which came from nowhere and suddenly flamed you, are these goons alts or bob alts?
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Laechyd Eldgorn
Caldari Karjala Inc. Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.10.11 06:12:00 -
[455]
I remember that movie, it's pretty awesomes.
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rodgerd
Uninvited Guests
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Posted - 2007.10.11 06:15:00 -
[456]
Thread delivers 100% of my daily dose of drama.
-- Not the opinions of my corp. |
Elise Masutra
M. Corp
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Posted - 2007.10.11 06:18:00 -
[457]
/me signs and packs gear for pew pew
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Lebowske
Nosferatu Security Foundation
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Posted - 2007.10.11 06:21:00 -
[458]
Good move, respect for doing the right thing in this situation.
A constellation owner should consider what a parnternship means vs a leasing deal. Leasing in peacetime - well, are just that. Renters / Leasers.
Wartime - if you want your leasers to aid you, you need to be lenient - it's a two sided deal. They can live close to the front, spend their assets and maintain liquidity - and you get assistance when/where you need it. They pay rent through spending their assets.
If they dont assist as expected - aka it's a one way deal - well demote them to leasers, or throw them out for a better partner.
And this is where some folks fail to understand what a partnership means.
To my old brothers in M, good luck. Respect for the right thing to do. ;) And to Delerium - you tosser, wtf are you doing at the retirement home!?
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- It's better to keep your mouth shut and let people believe you're an idiot, rather than opening it and removing all doubt.
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Death Merchant
InterGalactic Corp. Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.10.11 06:24:00 -
[459]
EVE is great. Where else can you get this level of comedy?
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Gusy
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Posted - 2007.10.11 06:25:00 -
[460]
Quality banner. And wins the award for the best use Smokey and the Bandit video ever.
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Arlenna Molatov
Caldari The 59th Parallel
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Posted - 2007.10.11 06:28:00 -
[461]
I'm sory to see you joining the side of Goons. I guess being allied with the SCUM of Eve doesnt bother you much. Just remember.....you are reguarded by the company you keep.
M.pire was a great alliance up until this point. I'm sorry to see it go bad so quickly.
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AnnieAmarr
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Posted - 2007.10.11 06:32:00 -
[462]
Originally by: Arlenna Molatov I'm sory to see you joining the side of Goons. I guess being allied with the SCUM of Eve doesnt bother you much. Just remember.....you are reguarded by the company you keep.
i think the entire point was that being allied with the scum of eve was too much for mpire, which is why they made this thread
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Dusty Timber
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Posted - 2007.10.11 06:37:00 -
[463]
Originally by: AnnieAmarr
Originally by: Arlenna Molatov I'm sory to see you joining the side of Goons. I guess being allied with the SCUM of Eve doesnt bother you much. Just remember.....you are reguarded by the company you keep.
i think the entire point was that being allied with the scum of eve was too much for mpire, which is why they made this thread
And end up right where they started, On the outside looking in...
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Dave White
Beagle Corp
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Posted - 2007.10.11 06:38:00 -
[464]
Good luck, I guess
Originally by: GM Tacgnol Oveur descended from the heavens (also known as the second floor) and beat us all with his nerfbat.
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w0rmy
M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.11 06:43:00 -
[465]
Originally by: Arlenna Molatov I'm sory to see you joining the side of Goons.
Telling robert thanks but no thanks != Joining goons
Originally by: CCP Oveur I'm very sorry w0rmy, I beg your forgiveness.
Originally by: Dianabolic I was never sworn to secrecy, w0rmy, sorry to dissappoint you.
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Lyrisa
STK Scientific M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.11 06:57:00 -
[466]
signed
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metu
Minmatar M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.11 06:59:00 -
[467]
signed
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Rogan Sarl
M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.11 07:10:00 -
[468]
signed
R
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Krexus
Amarr Serenity Prime Praesidium Libertatis
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Posted - 2007.10.11 07:11:00 -
[469]
This spells awesomeness!!
Good luck! 6b per corp per months is dumb
Originally by: CCP Wrangler You're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, that's what hello kitty online is for.
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Attrezzo Pox
Amarr Union Of Xtreme Military M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.11 07:20:00 -
[470]
lol@drama stfu and lets pewpew... *-------------------------* This is not a good sig. |
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Mecinia Lua
Galactic Express Frontier Trade League
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Posted - 2007.10.11 07:20:00 -
[471]
Respect to M. Pire.
Good Luck guys :)
Thoughts expressed are mine and mine alone. They do not necessarily reflect my alliances thoughts. |
Bazan Kor
STK Scientific M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.11 07:21:00 -
[472]
Signed, let the games commence!
EVE Online, where the bugs are prettier. |
Ceridan02
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.10.11 07:26:00 -
[473]
Great to see you guys on the right side. /signed
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Corran WanHorn
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Posted - 2007.10.11 07:29:00 -
[474]
Signed
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Unbeliever Kresmoreen
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.10.11 07:31:00 -
[475]
Just had to clarify this for some people.
BoB are far too honorable to post with Alts. Also, they never censor their members [citation needed] so they have no need to do it.
They may kneecap you if you dont pay your protection fees on time though .
BOBLACKEY4LYF!!!
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LiNkIsMaXiMuS
Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.10.11 07:33:00 -
[476]
any bets on what bob tells youwhat when they come running to delve?
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Karim alRashid
Gallente principle of motion Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.10.11 07:36:00 -
[477]
BoB HAS NO FRIENDS, BoB HAS INTERESTS.
Good luck, M.PIRE.
To BoB pets and non-pet supporters:
A little step, I hope, towards understanding what BoB fights for.
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Riddlock
Minmatar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.10.11 07:37:00 -
[478]
I HAVE NO FRIENDS
AHH AND SIGNED !!!
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Orangir
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.11 07:37:00 -
[479]
Originally by: Alice Cholmondeley Call more whaaaambulances, 'cause one round-trip won't be enough.
You're terrible at this.
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raxa
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Posted - 2007.10.11 07:42:00 -
[480]
signed
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ShockRaver
Madhatters Inc. M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.11 07:42:00 -
[481]
signed...
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sqat
Amarr M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.11 07:45:00 -
[482]
Edited by: sqat on 11/10/2007 07:46:37 Edited by: sqat on 11/10/2007 07:46:07 Matter of a fact, MPIRE TOOK the bkg/lxw area with the help of a steamrolling MC train up there. Thats a fact. MPIRE/F4T4L/Cow held that area against all odds for a period, longer than any of our foes anticipated. Triump/MM/Razor did a grand job of rallying, so we ended up with a 1/3 situation for a month. We held our ground for as long as humanly possible. I wasnt like BOB came to our recue, was it ? We didnt want them to niether. We were never one of BOB`s faverite "pets", because we tended not to roll over on theire every beg and call, we have allways done our own thing. MC however, we have huge respect for, not as pets mind you, but as a gruop of ppl its damn good to work alongside with. It was a calculated risk up there all along up north, we did our best. Now if this makes us look like a weak entity, so be it, but those that have been involved as our enemy or friends, knows pretty much, what MPIRE stands for, a pain for those in red, a trust worthy ally for those in blue. Matter of a fact, MPIRE TOOK the bkg/lxw area with the help of a steamrolling MC train up there. Thats a fact. MPIRE/F4T4L/Cow held that area against all odds for a period, longer than any of our foe |
Alice Cholmondeley
I Am Legend
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Posted - 2007.10.11 07:45:00 -
[483]
Originally by: Orangir
You're terrible at this.
You're a failure, for whatever reason you still post. Interesting is it not. |
August Personage
Caldari Clarf Inc
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Posted - 2007.10.11 07:50:00 -
[484]
Originally by: Havras
Originally by: August Personage their alliance with RSF now doesn't doesn't demonstrate the ability to go anywhere at all, that demonstrates their unwillingness to actually do something for themselves and their ridiculous reliance on any other alliance, even if it has to be their "oldest, bitterest enemy". had gone on to take their own space from someone else, rather than what they will do now, which is simply ride on the coat tails of another organisation; i would agree with you, that m.pire is a capable alliance, who would make a worthy addition to the RSF, and that the GBC would have quite clearly made a huge mistake in turning them away. as it stands, i can't say i do.
And their ability to hold space is being judge by you based on.. your entire 11 months of experience playing eve in a 2 member alt corp... right? Grow some balls and post with your main.
their ability to hold space is evident, they do not have any space after they gave theirs up. if you want to contest that, go ahead. although somehow i doubt you will, its far easier to go LOLITSANALT, than actually think for longer than 3 seconds and present a valid argument. your reply goes no where in convincing me that i am a coward, it simply puts me in the frame of mind to think that perhaps you are not particularly intelligent.
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cptgone
Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.10.11 07:50:00 -
[485]
Self respect is a great thing to have. Congratulations, MPire!
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Gerowien Sunrunner
Caldari Madhatters Inc. M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.11 07:50:00 -
[486]
Woot 18 Pages ?
btw /signed Verdammt...da hat die Schwerkraft schon wieder gewonnen ! |
Cringeley
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.11 07:51:00 -
[487]
Originally by: Alice Cholmondeley You're a failure, for whatever reason you still post. Interesting is it not.
That's the words, soggiest, damp squib of a burn I ever saw. Stop while you're only a few miles behind.
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Alice Cholmondeley
I Am Legend
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Posted - 2007.10.11 07:58:00 -
[488]
Edited by: Alice Cholmondeley on 11/10/2007 08:02:56
Originally by: Cringeley That's the words, soggiest, damp squib of a burn I ever saw. Stop while you're only a few miles behind.
I'm on a roll today, still a few miles to go to reach you. It's hard work to get where you guys are, but it's working. :slick: |
Skallebank
Minmatar Exanimo Inc Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.10.11 07:58:00 -
[489]
well people dont hate bob for no reason heh.
Whether it's heavy combat or just shooting miners shuttles and noob frigates , its all pvp [play |
August Personage
Caldari Clarf Inc
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Posted - 2007.10.11 07:59:00 -
[490]
Originally by: Karim alRashid BoB HAS NO FRIENDS, BoB HAS INTERESTS.
Good luck, M.PIRE.
To BoB pets and non-pet supporters:
A little step, I hope, towards understanding what BoB fights for.
lets cut the bull****e here, BoB are obviously fighting to win and so are RSF, yeah they may play the lolitsfun card, but winning is considerably more fun than having everything you own subverted and destroyed. whoever comes out of this conflict as the winner is not going to sit there, surrounded by blues, and not attack any of them, because they are "friends". that would be stupid. if RSF win, do you think that the goons and RA are going to be lovely lovely cheery people that you seem to think they are? hell no, they're going to attack one of their previous allies or risk stagnation at the hands of a napped south. "Friend" in eve is rather a more fluid term than IRL, because this is a game, and is a game about conquest. In games of conquest you have to treat allies not as friends but as interests as you put it. they are there to assist you in your conquest and if you feel they are not there for that purpose anymore, you discard them. if the GBC does not understand that BoB is simply fighting to win, and that there is no love or friendship there, then they are deluded, and the war will be over sooner than is currently likely. if they believe that RSF are not fighting to win, and that they are a lovely bunch of friendly people who value thier allies and will always value that friendship forever, then they are even more deluded, and the war may as well be over now.
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Kastar
Memphis Technologies Intergalactic Brotherhood
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Posted - 2007.10.11 08:04:00 -
[491]
Congratulations for standing up to fight. Good luck & have fun.
Kas -----------------------------------------------
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Taurequis
Waylander 01
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Posted - 2007.10.11 08:06:00 -
[492]
6 bil a month for M-Pire!! My god....
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Victor Merren
STK Scientific M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.11 08:06:00 -
[493]
/signed
To MC: It seems like BoB does not want you to have friends or have any say in anything of any real importance. They prefer you on your own and well under control. I hope they ARE indeed paying you enough for your services, or it may be decision time for you too soon.
V.
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Peek Aboo
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.10.11 08:11:00 -
[494]
sounds good, i never liked stk anyway
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Comstr
Technology Acquisition Collective Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.10.11 08:15:00 -
[495]
BoB once again shows they have no sense of respect or honour.
Youwhat, RISE etc: This is how BoB will end up treating you. BoB is the overlord, and you are nothing but serfs to BoB.
I'd like to see James315's comments on this too.
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KracKaTinny
Minmatar STK Scientific M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.11 08:15:00 -
[496]
/signed
To MC: sorry we wont be flying together..but look forward to the challenge ahead.
To Former Reds: respect as enemy's...look forward to future battles as allies.
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Ponderous Thunderstroke
Republic War Machine Industries
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Posted - 2007.10.11 08:19:00 -
[497]
Originally by: Taj Zela
Originally by: Ponderous Thunderstroke Dear BloB,
"Oops."
Signed,
EVE
Jim Rome called and he said you are a****got.
You know, I used to like Rome, back when he was edgy, and worth listening to, but that was so long ago that I had to wiki his ass to figure out what you meant.
Now, I want royalties from that bastard for stealing schtick I've been using on message boards since before Al Gore invented the internet.
Also, in regards to my sexual orientation, I'm straight. Just ask your wife.
Back to the topic at hand: "Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah"
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Malachon Draco
eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.10.11 08:21:00 -
[498]
Originally by: Coranor Bottom line is that you were out for yourselves here.
Unlike BoB, right? .........Right? ------------------------------------------------
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Temerlyn
Minmatar STK Scientific M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.11 08:22:00 -
[499]
Ahh thanks everyone for the Kudos it has been a ride to say the least.
My wish in eve is that people would let go of honor and see the bigger picture for them and there fellow corp mates.
There may come a time again where my allies become my enemies and vice versa.
For such a thing to happen would have to quite epic but it may happen. Overall i hope they understand our decision respect us for it and fight well against us.
This decision was very hard. It took quite some time to reach this impass but in the end we knew it was right.
After the 6 billion etc stuff we almost united decided against being with bob before the goon offer came to light. Problem as no mater what we do we are either goon or bob. Like i said in the other post you are either goon or bob anything else and your misguiding yourself.
Our response was to stick with MC if we could but how when we couldn't support an income anymore because we had no 0.0?
Those who are intelligent enough know why we did what we did and give us respect and friendship even if they are now an enemy (though few and far between).
So to summarize my crap.
/signed
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Evil Pookie
BURN EDEN Terra Incognita.
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Posted - 2007.10.11 08:22:00 -
[500]
Nice Wun M.Pire
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Ponderous Thunderstroke
Republic War Machine Industries
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Posted - 2007.10.11 08:23:00 -
[501]
Originally by: Alice Cholmondeley
Originally by: Orangir
You're terrible at this.
You're a failure, for whatever reason you still post. Interesting is it not.
Post like Yoda you do... Make anyone believe you're for real you do not.. Matter in the grand scheme of things you do not..
-dpb
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wolfgarrr
Caldari DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.11 08:23:00 -
[502]
Well well well...... After 2 hours or so of reading and a barrel of laughs i have this to say.
Good luck M.Pire
To the booberts.. You have brought this on yourselves
And to the rest of you . Just think .. In 6 months maybe a year , At the most 2 years from now you will be talking in corp chat/ alliance to some noob who just joined your corp and he is asking what 'BoB' was. And in explaining what 'BoB' Was you will point to this thread as a focal point of when Bob screwed the pooch and lost the war because of their arrogance and selfishness.
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olzi
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.11 08:26:00 -
[503]
Welcome to the south. o/
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Milano II
Vengeance of the Fallen
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Posted - 2007.10.11 08:26:00 -
[504]
well, u guys are pretty stupid. anyone who's ever known BOB coulda told u that would've happened..
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Suittam
Gallente Elite Storm Enterprises Storm Armada
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Posted - 2007.10.11 08:26:00 -
[505]
Good luck M.Pire
Flew along side some of you up in BKG with Fatal.
I'm a grunt, and will allow my corp leadership to decide who i shoot and where. But it's gonna suck to fire at you guys.
But hey, at least i know there will be good fights and no smack. Respect for your decision.
-S-
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Darko1107
Caldari E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.10.11 08:31:00 -
[506]
Originally by: Tholarim Tomcatt
Quote: We came down to help you. We came down to fight along side of you despite our past history. We were there to support you.
True, and on the discussion we had on mc ts about this with some of your leadership it was said that you were not looking for space or anything but only fights. Your leadership even stated you didn't need any space down here whatsoever.
Quote: NO ONE in STK mined a single roid. Maybe a couple of guys shot a rat or two in an NPC station system BEFORE you talked to me, but not after.
Your guys were seen in the belts in that system, i'll say mining and npcing covered whatever they were doing. You were doing it without even a short mssg our leadership or anything. Which is something any alliance out there would find at least peculiar.
Quote: My guys were our roaming with Bob and came back to dock for the night and were locked out. They were there when FAT fell, but couldn't dock. This is how you treat your allies?
Docking rights are based on corp to corp settings, which hadn't been set yet at that point. Since your leadership never contacted ours to work out some details, or compromises.
Quote: Toss on top of that the 42b for M.Pire each month? That offer came before the lockouts, so what? You were pressuring us into taking it?
Dunno where you get 42 billion from, but the standard fee for every alliance is 6 billion for the whole alliance per month for a constellation deal. No1 from bob ever said 6 bn per corp per month.
all water under the bridge though, allthough we get accused of **** all the time and are used to it i sometimes feel the need to correct any blatant lies
Lol, even if you are telling the truth. You think any1 is going to believe you? ------------------
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BlatheBum
Elite Storm Enterprises Storm Armada
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Posted - 2007.10.11 08:32:00 -
[507]
Edited by: BlatheBum on 11/10/2007 08:34:52
Originally by: Suittam
But hey, at least i know there will be good fights and no smack. Respect for your decision.
-S-
Agreed with this.
Good luck to you and I'll see you on the battlefield .
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Sun Ra
Grumpy Old Farts Gruntfuttocks
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Posted - 2007.10.11 08:34:00 -
[508]
So to round all this up, bob said 6bil a month for the whole alliance, m.pire thought it was 6 bil per corp and now they're going to war on a misunderstanding
anyways GL m.pire
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Xtreem
Gallente Naughty 40 Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.10.11 08:34:00 -
[509]
you guys have always been a good allaince, just pushed in a few wrong directions, im glad to see you reject the offer, hell BoB should be paying you for the pure effort and ships you put into defence for them.
there loss tbh.
Congrats and welcome to the free world :)
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Marcuis
Caldari M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.11 08:43:00 -
[510]
SIGNNNNNNN...........................
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Jags
Minmatar M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.11 08:44:00 -
[511]
Edited by: Jags on 11/10/2007 08:44:44 W00t first in page 19
****in **** YOU MARCUIS I wanted to be first on a page
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BitchInCharge
Head-Hunters
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Posted - 2007.10.11 08:46:00 -
[512]
Originally by: Gungankllr yes it does. I've played this game with you guys before, remember? All i have to do is hammer it over and over and over again and pretty soon it's truth, huh...
By the way, you still Fail. Go get Rebellion, your forum-fu is pathetic to 15 orders of magnitude.
Ahaha! stk failed with ascn, stk failed with m.pire, surrender is the only thing you know!
Now you're a goon's pet, ok ok signed
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Marcuis
Caldari M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.11 08:54:00 -
[513]
Originally by: *****InCharge
Originally by: Gungankllr yes it does. I've played this game with you guys before, remember? All i have to do is hammer it over and over and over again and pretty soon it's truth, huh...
By the way, you still Fail. Go get Rebellion, your forum-fu is pathetic to 15 orders of magnitude.
Ahaha! stk failed with ascn, stk failed with m.pire, surrender is the only thing you know!
Now you're a goon's pet, ok ok signed
You my friend is a f.uc.kin moron get a real clue
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k1Lz
FinFleet Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.10.11 08:54:00 -
[514]
Edited by: k1Lz on 11/10/2007 08:56:30 Good luck, M.pire ...
PS: it`s nothing personal just standings
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Tamira Thunderstar
Caldari M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.11 08:55:00 -
[515]
/Signed _____________________________ Armies have conquered and fallen in the end, Kingdoms have risen and buried by sand. |
Dogoo
STK Scientific M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.11 08:56:00 -
[516]
YAAAAAR
Signed ----
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Kernel Sander
Epiphyte Mining and Exploration Combined Planetary Union
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Posted - 2007.10.11 08:56:00 -
[517]
Originally by: August Personage I am a walking stool sample
For the love of God and all that is holy STOP TYPING you insufferable trolling asshat. I was up north for the final days of the conflict. Came back from an extended EVE vacation to see wave after wave of blues roll through AH- en route to beat up on M.Pire. The pressure on them was constant and enormous. They were over-run, but they gave us harrowing moments right up to the inevitable end, finding the time and energy to put the POSes of even smaller alliances like mine into reinforced several times in the final week while defending against the full weight of RZR, MM, and many others. All my corp- and alliance-mates had nothing but good things to say about them. Tough opponents, no smack, made the game good.
Please go **** up a different thread already.
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MarKand
M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.11 08:58:00 -
[518]
E-honor and stuff is a *****, and Iam all covered in it. I cant sign to this.
Was a great time knowing and flying with you M.pire. Much love and hughs.
Im off to empire.
/M
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Garek
COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.10.11 08:59:00 -
[519]
Welcome to the free world :)
Nice to fly with you boys and girls
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Gungankllr
Caldari STK Scientific M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.11 09:06:00 -
[520]
Originally by: *****InCharge
Originally by: Gungankllr yes it does. I've played this game with you guys before, remember? All i have to do is hammer it over and over and over again and pretty soon it's truth, huh...
By the way, you still Fail. Go get Rebellion, your forum-fu is pathetic to 15 orders of magnitude.
Ahaha! stk failed with ascn, stk failed with m.pire, surrender is the only thing you know!
Now you're a goon's pet, ok ok signed
This is quite possibly the dumbest thing I have ever read on the forums.
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Gungankllr
Caldari STK Scientific M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.11 09:07:00 -
[521]
btw
Quote:
EVE System > Channel changed to PR-8CA Local Channel Gungankllr > /emote humps Blacklight Blacklight > o/ Gungankllr > Which way is Jita again? ;P Blacklight > lol head north Gungankllr > Surrender your forces in Delve or I will be forced to thrash you Gungankllr > With a herring Blacklight > /emote meekly surrenders
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August Personage
Caldari Clarf Inc
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Posted - 2007.10.11 09:09:00 -
[522]
Originally by: Kernel Sander
Originally by: August Personage I am a walking stool sample
For the love of God and all that is holy STOP TYPING you insufferable trolling asshat. I was up north for the final days of the conflict. Came back from an extended EVE vacation to see wave after wave of blues roll through AH- en route to beat up on M.Pire. The pressure on them was constant and enormous. They were over-run, but they gave us harrowing moments right up to the inevitable end, finding the time and energy to put the POSes of even smaller alliances like mine into reinforced several times in the final week while defending against the full weight of RZR, MM, and many others. All my corp- and alliance-mates had nothing but good things to say about them. Tough opponents, no smack, made the game good.
Please go **** up a different thread already.
no need to be rude sir, if you don't like my point of view either contest it or ignore it. your aggression merely indicates you are not exactly a valid source of information, or simply not in control of your obviously large amount of anger. yes i know who your alliance is, the new branch pets being installed there. i'm sure you'll fail quite as well as m.pire did, do not worry about that.
they may have been under pressure, but they still gave up their stations, stations which they did not take by themselves. there is not much more that needs to be said other than that. if you wish to pick fault with any part of that statement, please go ahead. simply insulting me is hardly becomming of you or your alliance.
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Vort X
EON Order Te-Ka
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Posted - 2007.10.11 09:14:00 -
[523]
Few months ago I had a topic here about BoB/MC's trailer parks and its tenants, ("how to conquer the universe") but according to the replies, noneone paid for the place, everyone called themselves allies.
You have fought well against BoB's enemy for months, keeping the northern coalition away from your "friends". They should be thankful for that.
Well, this story is a great example how an ally become tenant, in general. Not in your case though, I'm glad you woke up in time.
However, 6B a month / corp seems too much. All the tenants pay that much or is it a special treatment just for you?
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Maximillian Bayonette
Baleful Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.10.11 09:16:00 -
[524]
Instead of partaking in this pi**ing contest, perhaps those who are interested in the why's and how's of this surprising move should take a look at this thread in the SHC forums, where representatives from both sides are having a much more sensible discussion.
From that thread it seems there is a lot more to this story than is presented in the OP.
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BitchInCharge
Head-Hunters
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Posted - 2007.10.11 09:16:00 -
[525]
Originally by: Gungankllr
Originally by: *****InCharge
Originally by: Gungankllr yes it does. I've played this game with you guys before, remember? All i have to do is hammer it over and over and over again and pretty soon it's truth, huh...
By the way, you still Fail. Go get Rebellion, your forum-fu is pathetic to 15 orders of magnitude.
Ahaha! stk failed with ascn, stk failed with m.pire, surrender is the only thing you know!
Now you're a goon's pet, ok ok signed
This is quite possibly the dumbest thing I have ever read on the forums.
It is so dumb to swicth side each time you fail at something, isn't? Looser.
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Voculus
E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.10.11 09:17:00 -
[526]
M.PIRE FTW! _________________________________________________________
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Gungankllr
Caldari STK Scientific M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.11 09:19:00 -
[527]
Originally by: *****InCharge
Originally by: Gungankllr
Originally by: *****InCharge
Originally by: Gungankllr yes it does. I've played this game with you guys before, remember? All i have to do is hammer it over and over and over again and pretty soon it's truth, huh...
By the way, you still Fail. Go get Rebellion, your forum-fu is pathetic to 15 orders of magnitude.
Ahaha! stk failed with ascn, stk failed with m.pire, surrender is the only thing you know!
Now you're a goon's pet, ok ok signed
This is quite possibly the dumbest thing I have ever read on the forums.
It is so dumb to swicth side each time you fail at something, isn't? Looser.
I was wrong. This is dumber.
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Roland 99
Minmatar Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.11 09:20:00 -
[528]
Welcome to the correct side of the fence guys. You will find that it's pretty nice out here, not to mention that whole 6 bil a month thing not going to fund Arrogance Personified.
M. PIRE has started what will soon be a never-ending process of BoB hemorrhaging pets left and right. The sooner the rest of you rent paying slaves realize this, the better for all of your rapidly diminishing memberships it will be.
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Laboratus
Gallente BGG League of Abnormal Gentlemen
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Posted - 2007.10.11 09:22:00 -
[529]
If such is the honor, respect and loyalty towards allies. What do they have for their enemies? ___ P.S. Post with your main. Mind control and tin hats |
KingB
The Red Dragoons
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Posted - 2007.10.11 09:25:00 -
[530]
Originally by: Roland 99 Welcome to the correct side of the fence guys. You will find that it's pretty nice out here, not to mention that whole 6 bil a month thing not going to fund Arrogance Personified.
M. PIRE has started what will soon be a never-ending process of BoB hemorrhaging pets left and right. The sooner the rest of you rent paying slaves realize this, the better for all of your rapidly diminishing memberships it will be.
wow you just said it all, no need for anyone to post anything after this...
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Lucre
STK Scientific M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.11 09:27:00 -
[531]
Originally by: wrexiful This alt thinks M.Pire is listening to STF Scientific a little too much, old axes to grind anyone
Nope, when plan was announced to go help MC (and by necessity BoB) down South our guys were overjoyed. Base in Delve, stage in Querious, fight with MC in Catch. This was a dream ticket so far as we were concerned. And woosh, off our guys went and, as people have noted, STK promptly started appearing in gangs & on the FAT killmails.
Then our guys started being locked out of stations and we were told BoB wanted the 6 Bn (we were told per corp - I couldn't say wherethat came from) for the rights to base out of Delve. Not for owning space; not for a new "home". But simply for the right to rat and mine between fights to keep yourself in ships to fight at their side. WTF?
Last week STK told Goons "thanks but no thanks" as we'd buried those old axes long ago and we *like* being in MPire. And no way would our people have condoned changing sides. But 12 hours after BoB decided to treat us like dirt - any misunderstandings notwithstanding - the corp mood had totally changed and we were 95% or more for telling BoB where to get off.
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Andraine
Coded Arms Corp
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Posted - 2007.10.11 09:29:00 -
[532]
They take the red pill, or the blue pill. free your mind and unplug.
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KingB
The Red Dragoons
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Posted - 2007.10.11 09:30:00 -
[533]
Edited by: KingB on 11/10/2007 09:32:37 Leave STK alone bob alts they are the good guys now get over it!
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Hubris
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.10.11 09:33:00 -
[534]
Hey congrats guys. Good move and all that stuff's. -
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Gralgathor
White Wolf Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.10.11 09:41:00 -
[535]
Edited by: Gralgathor on 11/10/2007 09:41:46 I understand the decision of M.Pire to not support BoB anymore, but it would be a shame to see them join the other side of the war. When faced with the decision to either submit to a fascist, suppressive regime or join a band of lobotomized, e-peen waving ****s, the only sensible thing to do is to stay neutral and find your own way. -------
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Matestor
STK Scientific M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.11 09:42:00 -
[536]
/signed
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Kenion
THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS.... R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.10.11 09:42:00 -
[537]
Good 4 you! Respect! ---------------------------------------------- Fight BoB because all women love the strong who falls, but also the weak that stands.
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LYcani
Madhatters Inc. M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.11 09:45:00 -
[538]
/signed
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LeCiD
Altera Odyssea Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.10.11 09:46:00 -
[539]
Edited by: LeCiD on 11/10/2007 09:46:17 Welcome in coalition, you'll know what allies means. I'm looking forward flying with mamolian (a great leader with a great sense of humour).
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AnnieAmarr
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Posted - 2007.10.11 09:48:00 -
[540]
Originally by: Gralgathor Edited by: Gralgathor on 11/10/2007 09:41:46 I understand the decision of M.Pire to not support BoB anymore, but it would be a shame to see them join the other side of the war. When faced with the decision to either submit to a fascist, suppressive regime or join a band of lobotomized, e-peen waving ****s, the only sensible thing to do is to stay neutral and find your own way.
goons may be dumb and stupid and unclassy, but they don't really wave their "e-peen" (that's bob's doing). looks like goons make fun of other goons almost as much as their enemies. its possible to stay neutral in empire, but in 0.0, things are moving towards polarization
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Raul necrobie
Minmatar COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.10.11 09:54:00 -
[541]
Just so sweet to fly together with Mamolian and all ex Maelstrom guys Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected]) |
Lanari
Mercenaries of Andosia Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2007.10.11 09:54:00 -
[542]
Tbh i would have said goon on you Mpire, you dont need that **** with a bill that big when your assisting in the fight.
But, i realy dont think your decision to turn to the other side is a good one, you now will be head on with long term friends, COW, V and others, friends with whom you have fought alongside for a while now, and to suddenly turn around and say wer joining your long term enemies
not so cool
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Chequrself
Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.11 09:54:00 -
[543]
wOw, M.Pire you have yet again done yourselves proud.
And I believe that today you will have won by far more respect then you would have lost. High Fives all round.
It will be an honour to fight along side you. -------------------------------------------------
http://razor-eve.org/killboard/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=50519 Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected]) |
Zigadenus
M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.11 09:57:00 -
[544]
Let me tell you something about TPS reports....
The thing is, Bob, it's not that I'm lazy. It's just that I just don't care. It's a problem of motivation, all right? Now, if I work my ass off and you win a few more systems, I don't see another dime. So where's the motivation?
Somebody dropped a ball somewhere, but in any case the [lagfree] fights will be good and tbfh that's all I want. All the best to old friends and new enemies and anyone else that feels they need it.
________________________________________________ Kyle > Why do you have to ask me all these complicated questions? Zerodragon > Dude, IÆm trying to save your setup from complete suckage. |
Alex Tremayne
Lyrus Associates M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.11 09:57:00 -
[545]
Originally by: Gralgathor Edited by: Gralgathor on 11/10/2007 09:41:46 I understand the decision of M.Pire to not support BoB anymore, but it would be a shame to see them join the other side of the war. When faced with the decision to either submit to a fascist, suppressive regime or join a band of lobotomized, e-peen waving ****s, the only sensible thing to do is to stay neutral and find your own way.
Ah, the mythical 'third way'. This was discussed last night. A lot. We'd really like to find a way to stay neutral yet still be active space holders in 0.0. Sadly there is pretty much nowhere in EVE that is not in some way involved in the war against BoB's ego.
Don't get me wrong, we're still looking for the 'third way'. Maybe one day we'll find it.
Lyrus Associates' Diplomat Of Last Resort |
Kernel Sander
Epiphyte Mining and Exploration Combined Planetary Union
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Posted - 2007.10.11 09:57:00 -
[546]
Originally by: August Personage
no need to be rude sir, if you don't like my point of view either contest it or ignore it. your aggression merely indicates you are not exactly a valid source of information, or simply not in control of your obviously large amount of anger. yes i know who your alliance is, the new branch pets being installed there. i'm sure you'll fail quite as well as m.pire did, do not worry about that.
The point, you pompously bloviating windbag, is that you don't have a valid point of view. Everyone here up to and including M.Pire's former enemies have noted at great length and with extraordinary courtesy that M.Pire didn't hold Branch simply because no one could have held up under that kind of stress for any length of time. There have been several threads since BKG- in which coalition members expressed tremendous respect for how long M.Pire did hold out. The fact that you keep glossing over them proves that my previous point (that you are mobile **** in a vial) is not an expression of aggression, but rather a trenchant observation of your mental capacities and overall reading comprehension skills.
Originally by: August Personage
they may have been under pressure, but they still gave up their stations, stations which they did not take by themselves. there is not much more that needs to be said other than that. if you wish to pick fault with any part of that statement, please go ahead. simply insulting me is hardly becomming of you or your alliance.
M.Pire was with MC in the assault on BKG-, as has been mentioned. So first off, you're wrong about them not taking the station themselves. Participating = participating. Can you get that far?
Second: they had lost those stations. As seemingly everyone in the game who doesnt have you blacklisted has pointed out, they could not win the final fight. It was numerically impossible. They were exhausted, worn down, flanked and outnumbered. My alliance was charged with holding one of the beach-head systems and I personally witnessed M.Pire's willingness to throw everything they had into fights that they quite simply could not win due to simple numbers. Rather than sacrifice the last of their fleet, they chose to acknowledge the absolutely blindingly obvious truth that they were over-run, and thus leave the field with enough ships to still be of use to their allies. They then hurled themselves directly into another fight. There is no arguing any of this, since both they and their opponents both acknowledge it. The only person who doesn't is you.
Now, either you're super smarter than the people who were actually physically present in Branch during the final push, or you're a trolling ******* idiot who cannot even grasp simple arguments which the membership of both involved parties mutually agree is gospel truth.
Personally, my money is on "******* idiot."
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dralid maximus
M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.11 09:58:00 -
[547]
Originally by: Raul necrobie Just so sweet to fly together with Mamolian and all ex Maelstrom guys
Mamolian is constantly drunk and/or hangover these days, so I wouldn't call it sweet, more like ranzy.
Can we dock in I-N now? :)
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Lazuran
Gallente Time And ISK Sink Corporation
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Posted - 2007.10.11 09:59:00 -
[548]
I wonder how long it'll take M.PIRE to backstab the "alliance" with some obscure reason. It could be planned already, turncoats are not to be trusted until they've proven their loyalty again.
isn't it funny how some people advocate both GTC<=>ISK trades and EVE being superior due to its cruelty and costly losses, when they use the former to circumvent the latter?
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AronChan
Gallente Quam Singulari
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Posted - 2007.10.11 10:00:00 -
[549]
Gl hf gg mpire. tbh i can understand your choice. i would never be able to fly side by side with a goon tho -
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Lucre
STK Scientific M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.11 10:04:00 -
[550]
Originally by: Kernel Sander Edited by: Kernel Sander on 11/10/2007 10:01:23 The point, you [August Personage] pompously bloviating windbag, is that you don't have a valid point of view. Everyone here up to and including M.Pire's former enemies have noted at great length and with extraordinary courtesy that M.Pire didn't hold Branch simply because no one could have held up under that kind of stress for any length of time. There have been several threads since BKG- in which coalition members expressed tremendous respect for how long M.Pire did hold out. The fact that you keep glossing over them proves that my previous point (that you are mobile **** in a vial) is not an expression of aggression, but rather a trenchant observation of your mental capacities and overall reading comprehension skills.
Sir, may I just say I like your style. It's almost wasted on the likes of this particular troll.
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Xeovar Stoner
Pink Bunnies C0VEN
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Posted - 2007.10.11 10:11:00 -
[551]
Seeing this I almost wish I didnt leave M., even though the reasons for leaving were completely not related to any politics of New Eden.
Anyway, good luck M. I know you will shape your future to your liking -- "Learning is not compulsory... neither is survival. "
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August Personage
Caldari Clarf Inc
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Posted - 2007.10.11 10:11:00 -
[552]
Originally by: Kernel Sander ANGERPOSTRAWR
christ man, thats a lot of hate for someone you've never met before, and really hasn't done anything to arouse such violent thoughts.
they were present with mc at the end of the campaign yes. and they participated, but so did a large volume of other people. you still haven't contested my valid point of that they have not stood alone, or taken any space for themselves. they were given things.
M.pires former enemies, are now their BFFs. for them to smack them here would be foolish, as it would spoil the happy happy morale boost RSF is getting off this. let me just reiterate that, M.Pire are now allied with RSF. if BoB had screwed them over and they were an alliance worth of saying that BoB had made a mistake in doing so, would they have immediately run over to their sworn enemies?
i honestly don't know why i'm replying to you as you're obviously not capable of discussing something without resorting to insults. have i called you a piece of ****? no. have i called you a ******* idiot? no. i have presented my opinion, and you have obviously been offended enough to behave like a child. i will give you the benefit of the doubt in that i believe you are capable of rational thought, even tho it is greater than what you obviously think of me.
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marakor
Gallente Anti Lag Forum Smackers
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Posted - 2007.10.11 10:12:00 -
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Anybody who did'nt see this coming in one shape or another must have been blind although i actualy thought they would go down the razor/mm nap path.
The losses that BOB has been taking over the last few months plus MPIRE's surrender in BKG without even informing let alone consulting their allies plus the responce to the 6bil rent and other tones on this forum over the last few weeks looked more like guilt massaging and leaders looking desperatly to do anything to keep there alliance/leadership positions together.
It seems to me and others that most of STK/MPIRE just want a nice safe bit of space IN 0.0 where they can build their modules and capitals and maybe have a fight now and again. So i suppose in the currant climate that behing the lines in GOON space is the place to find this. LOL lets hope the war does'nt chance again they may need to find a goon to insult them so they can switch sides again.
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DTee
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.10.11 10:13:00 -
[554]
Edited by: DTee on 11/10/2007 10:16:53
Originally by: Tholarim Edited by: Tholarim on 10/10/2007 22:47:37 I wonder if the STK leadership told everyone what really went down before the 6 billion fee was requested.
Maybe they shoulldn't have started mining and npcing in delve without asking the alliance owning said space.
Maybe Tomcatt was lying to me when i talked to him about this just this sunday/monday. And then actually proceeded to have a conversation with Goons about possibly joining the coalition the same day. Yes that last one really helped your situation.
If there's 1 thing i regret, is actually not setting you to negative becus we felt the actions of STK shouldn't affect the whole of Mpire alliance.
I be seeing you velios. 2nd time now. tsk tsk
Sorry Thol, You and I both know BoB would screw over as long as it was in their interest. I have some classic examples. Let me know if you want me to drop you a line with those ;) When BoB needed M.Pire it was all good. Now that the north is not so much of a problem for BoB you bail out like you did on Xelas, Caldarians Pride, Rise, CORM and many many more.
The pets should know they safe until they are useful
Goodluck M,Pire hope you have fun.
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Kagura Nikon
Minmatar MASS HOMICIDE Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.10.11 10:14:00 -
[555]
No wonder the average FIX member think they don 't pay rent. Open up your eyes.
Well someday they will discover.
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Michuh
M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.11 10:15:00 -
[556]
The thoughts of charging 6 bill per corp per month to an ally of good standing and reasonably decent past relationships with many of those involved, who are in the possession of a 50+ cap fleet are completely ludicrous.. This is not how you should treat your friends.. This is completely unacceptable.. Locking friends out of stations where their assets are stored, is a kneejerk reaction to something which could have been solved with a little understanding and a pittance of humanity..
You obviously didn't find us worthy friends/allies, and I won't lose any sleep over having you at -10.. In other words **** you guys..
Maelstrom Recruitment
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Platinum Sapphire
Minmatar Epsilon Financial Bureau GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.11 10:18:00 -
[557]
Looking forward to working with the M.Pire guys in finally ridding Eve of the stench that is BoB...
Welcome aboard M.Pire, and hang on.. This train haven't brakes.
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Skelator
Stronghold corp The Covenant Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.11 10:23:00 -
[558]
Originally by: Velios Signed
Velios I have ALWAYS respected you but I also know you are your Own man and now you have finally made all us old timers proud by Displaying that trait.
GODSPEED and respect to M.PIRE 07
Our Knights/GhostFleet are available for small honorable contracts.
Phasmatis Velox Equitatus
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Roland 99
Minmatar Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.11 10:25:00 -
[559]
Edited by: Roland 99 on 11/10/2007 10:26:19
Originally by: LadyScarlet
Originally by: Tomcatt
Originally by: Taj Zela
Originally by: Tomcatt Toss on top of that the 42b for M.Pire each month?
Math 4tl apparently
Even though an m.pire guy said it was 6B/month, not 6B a week, where is there 7 weeks in a month? You got some sweet calander there dude.
7 Corps in M.Pire x 6b per month = 42b per month
You fail.
rofl !! i do not remember quoting anyone 6 bil per corp
So... how much is that in red potatoes? and how many can you fit in your mouth at one time? ________
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Tenerhaddi
Trinity Corporate Services
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Posted - 2007.10.11 10:26:00 -
[560]
Originally by: Gralgathor Edited by: Gralgathor on 11/10/2007 09:41:46 I understand the decision of M.Pire to not support BoB anymore, but it would be a shame to see them join the other side of the war. When faced with the decision to either submit to a fascist, suppressive regime or join a band of lobotomized, e-peen waving ****s, the only sensible thing to do is to stay neutral and find your own way.
Too be honest I am disappointed by bob action on this and I understand why they done this. bob totaly disrespected them and pretty much insulted them after them helping and supporting them.
bob to do this is foolish and If i am right but ASCN what ever treated people crap with bob war and they made alot of enemies instead. ---------------- sig *Sorry for spelling and grammer so dont flam me for my dyslexia*
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dralid maximus
M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.11 10:26:00 -
[561]
Originally by: Roland 99
Originally by: LadyScarlet
Originally by: Tomcatt
Originally by: Taj Zela
Originally by: Tomcatt Toss on top of that the 42b for M.Pire each month?
Math 4tl apparently
Even though an m.pire guy said it was 6B/month, not 6B a week, where is there 7 weeks in a month? You got some sweet calander there dude.
7 Corps in M.Pire x 6b per month = 42b per month
You fail.
rofl !! i do not remember quoting anyone 6 bil per corp
So... how much is that in red potatoes? and how many can you fit in your mouth
They are actually called, sweet potatoes :)
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Marcuis
Caldari M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.11 10:30:00 -
[562]
Originally by: Lazuran I wonder how long it'll take M.PIRE to backstab the "alliance" with some obscure reason. It could be planned already, turncoats are not to be trusted until they've proven their loyalty again.
Umm....... Lazuran i think you need take a step back and redo your thoughts here mate, calling us turncoats get a grib on things mate wait i dont reconizes your allaince there are you guys empire BOB pets , but dont be so eager to judge MPIRE as you have NO fu.cking clue whats happen or what went on..... you tosser
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Ponderous Thunderstroke
Republic War Machine Industries
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Posted - 2007.10.11 10:30:00 -
[563]
Originally by: Lanari Tbh i would have said goon on you Mpire, you dont need that **** with a bill that big when your assisting in the fight.
But, i realy dont think your decision to turn to the other side is a good one, you now will be head on with long term friends, COW, V and others, friends with whom you have fought alongside for a while now, and to suddenly turn around and say wer joining your long term enemies
not so cool
Yeah, and those friends who stick with BoB are fools. So who's the more foolish? The fool, or the fool that follows him? M.Pire is breaking out of the cycle of meatshield -- pwnt -- meatshield -- pwnt , and is striving for something better. Good for them.
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Pobs
M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.11 10:33:00 -
[564]
Originally by: August Personage [if you don't like my point of view either contest it or ignore it. your aggression merely indicates you are not exactly a valid source of information, or simply not in control of your obviously large amount of anger.
Got to say this has been a very intereting and enjoyable thread to read, with interesting comments on both sides, HOWEVER on every other page I kept having to ask myself the following 2 very annoying questions.
Who the f*ck is August Personage ?
and
Who the f*ck are Caldari Clarf Inc.
I apologise in advance for my forum political ignorance, but it was bugging me last night at 2 am, and its bugging me again now.
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marakor
Gallente Anti Lag Forum Smackers
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Posted - 2007.10.11 10:36:00 -
[565]
Edited by: marakor on 11/10/2007 10:46:28
Originally by: Kernel
Second: they had lost those stations. As seemingly everyone in the game who doesnt have you blacklisted has pointed out, they could not win the final fight. It was numerically impossible.
The numericaly impossable statment sounds like sombody with a calculator deciding that the war is lost even before the fighting is over. A 3000 member coalition in eve that still has high SOV systems and hasnt even lost a single outpost that surrenders because of the fact they are a bit outnumbered on paper is a coalition that must be mostly led and populated by carebears who care about isk making and leaders who want to stroke there e-peen and those types should pay rent cos they are no use for anything else.
Did you realy expect BOB to think your worth anything other than a bit of monthly isk after you surrendered to razor without consulting or even informing your allies?. Only goon would welcome you with open doors but then they will take anybody.
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zykerx
Lo0nEy To0nS R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.10.11 10:37:00 -
[566]
i wonder when others findout that bob only uses them and have no respect whatsoever for them
good luck m.pire, get some nice revange
i wonder if those others pets)ooh i mean valued allies) pay 6 bil a month a corp aswel .
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Platinum Sapphire
Minmatar Epsilon Financial Bureau GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.11 10:37:00 -
[567]
By the way, the spin I am seeing here (and on the SHC boards) from BoB reminds me a lot of the following scenario:
Husband> "Aww, c'mon baby, I didn't mean to hit you. I mean, look.. the bruise isn't even that big... Baby, please don't leave me... I promise never to hit you like that again..."
At least M.Pire has the brains to leave that relationship...
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mrwinky
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Posted - 2007.10.11 10:37:00 -
[568]
signed
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DeTox MinRohim
Madhatters Inc. M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.11 10:37:00 -
[569]
Originally by: marakor ...
Took you 20 pages to finally spill your same old song. You're losing your touch mate.
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mrwinky
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Posted - 2007.10.11 10:40:00 -
[570]
signed
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marakor
Gallente Anti Lag Forum Smackers
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Posted - 2007.10.11 10:40:00 -
[571]
Originally by: DeTox MinRohim
Originally by: marakor ...
Took you 20 pages to finally spill your same old song. You're losing your touch mate.
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Did you realy expect BOB to think your worth anything other than a bit of monthly isk after you surrendered to razor without consulting or even informing your allies?. Only goon would welcome you with open doors but then they will take anybody.
And ive been asleep so i missed the first few pages lol.
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Kernel Sander
Epiphyte Mining and Exploration Combined Planetary Union
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Posted - 2007.10.11 10:40:00 -
[572]
Originally by: August Personage
christ man, thats a lot of hate for someone you've never met before, and really hasn't done anything to arouse such violent thoughts.
Cute try, but everyone born after 1872 understands that swearing on the internet doesnt equal anger.
Originally by: August Personage
poorly constructed attack on M.Pire's credibility... ...followed by... ...babble... ...ending with: ...even tho it is greater than what you obviously think of me.
What I think of you is that you're a pretty bad hack as a propagandist (and a ******* idiot, but I covered that). Your pretense to being the lone reasonable voice in a sea of emotionally stunted e-thugs is badly over-wrought, and gives your prose this kind of weird, forced, ****ensian voice (holy crap, the filter censors Charles ****ens' name). You're either a really bad bobalt or a 19th century british orphan.
My theory is you guys are locked in a pretty bad damage control effort. I honestly have no idea what the politics are in the Alliance, but there is a popular perception that BoB are arrogant slumlords whose days are numbered, and whose days will be even more numbered if enough of the pets defect. This is the kind of perception that needs to be quashed whenever it springs up because - true or not - as propaganda it is better than gold.
And stories like the one in this thread (the trustworthy, loyal M.Pire gets kicked in the ribs by the money-grubbing BoB, only to be warmly and graciously accepted by people they had only recently been fighting over the course of a 20+ page lovefest) play all the stereotypes perfectly, and may put perilous ideas into the renters heads. So you dust off a few alt accounts and try to kick a little tarnish onto M.Pire's image to make yourselves look less like the bad guys.
It's a fair gambit. I took the bait simply because your (feigned or real, dont care) inability to grasp the obvious was getting absurd. That and I'm also a bit of a blowhard. Love to hear myself yammer.
But I think I'm done now. Retire the alt and find some less obvious means of spinning this your way. Maybe it works, maybe it doesn't have to.
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iNsAn3
Damned Legion
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Posted - 2007.10.11 10:41:00 -
[573]
Edited by: iNsAn3 on 11/10/2007 10:42:28
Originally by: Pobs
Originally by: August Personage [if you don't like my point of view either contest it or ignore it. your aggression merely indicates you are not exactly a valid source of information, or simply not in control of your obviously large amount of anger.
Got to say this has been a very intereting and enjoyable thread to read, with interesting comments on both sides, HOWEVER on every other page I kept having to ask myself the following 2 very annoying questions.
Who the f*ck is August Personage ?
and
Who the f*ck are Caldari Clarf Inc.
I apologise in advance for my forum political ignorance, but it was bugging me last night at 2 am, and its bugging me again now.
caldari is her race.....
and CLARF is her corp.
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BodaciousBabe
Gallente STK Scientific M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.11 10:42:00 -
[574]
Originally by: wolfgarrr Bob screwed the pooch and lost the war because of their arrogance and selfishness.
So true! For a powerhouse in EVE you show people zero respect! It now time for change and it's coming.
/Signed!
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Platinum Sapphire
Minmatar Epsilon Financial Bureau GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.11 10:42:00 -
[575]
Originally by: Pobs
Who the f*ck is August Personage ?
BoB-alt... I'm guessing either Blacklight or SirMolle... could possibly even be Seleene. Always trying to spin BoB's propaganda, while claiming neutrality in every issue.
In reality, who knows, who cares... Disregard them.
Originally by: Pobs
Who the f*ck are Caldari Clarf Inc.
BoB-Alt Corp... Treat them the same as August Personage.
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Achaiah
Black Bag Ops
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Posted - 2007.10.11 10:43:00 -
[576]
Originally by: Pobs Who the f*ck is August Personage ?
I believe it is the one most people here let the CAOD Cleaner filter out.
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iNsAn3
Damned Legion
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Posted - 2007.10.11 10:44:00 -
[577]
Edited by: iNsAn3 on 11/10/2007 10:45:10 Requesting to get this post topic changed to "JUST WHO IS AUGUST PERSONAGE" ---
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King Dave
Spartan Industries Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2007.10.11 10:44:00 -
[578]
This another drunk post by M?
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Lucre
STK Scientific M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.11 10:46:00 -
[579]
Originally by: marakor It seems to me and others that most of STK/MPIRE just want a nice safe bit of space IN 0.0 where they can build their modules and capitals and maybe have a fight now and again. So i suppose in the currant climate that behing the lines in GOON space is the place to find this.
Nope, if there's one thing we learned from ASCN's fall it's that "just having a nice safe bit of space" is suicide for any alliance. You need reds "on the doorstep" otherwise your PvPers get bored and drift away - and when enemies do come calling on your space, you won't have the people you need to hold it.
Several people have asked if STK are leading this. Truth is, original Goon offer came through STK conduit because we have old friends in DS1. Offer was made to STK but we immediately (well, immediately after BoB started acting like gits that is - before that we'd said "no way") said we'd want any offer to include MPire too as we respect & *like* these guys and want to keep flying with them.
Whether MPire will yet take this offer remains tbd - but either way it was agreed last night that our way will not lie with BoB.
As for the rest, our guys were hot to fly with MC. Which is probably why they were so incensed with BoB when they pulled this "pay up to fight with us" stunt. And yes, since that we have been amongst the voices pushing MPire in this direction. But we're certainly not the only ones. |
Celdorae
Caldari The Silent Rage M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.11 10:48:00 -
[580]
Originally by: Ivor Gunn
Originally by: August Personage 6 months sounds like a rather large exageration
M.'s killboard tracks their first kills as in march. It is in fact 7 months of fighting as an alliance on bob's side.
Quote: and whoever posted 22 hostile alliances needs to either stop posting or show some proof too.
That would have been me:
Anvil., Angels of Discord, CORE, Dark Matter Coallition, Ekliptika, Event-Horizon, Fallout Project, Insurgency, IRON, Invictus, Ka-Tet, Morsus Mihi, Mordus Angels, Mostly Harmless, Pandemic Legion, Peons of Doom, Pure, RA, Razor Alliance, Roadkill, Rule of Three, Nxt Level, Smash Alliance, Stela Polar,Synchronizerz, TCF, The Makhai, Hydra Alliance, Fate. Corp, Te-KA,Vae Victis. The Covenant Alliance, Prismatic Refraction, The Reckoning. Phoenix Allianz, The Makhai.
This is the list of entities who had access to the intel and invite channel the invasion was run from. There are 39. Only about 2/3 of these took part in the actual invasion - which works out at about 26 alliances and corps. A chunk of these were totall insignificant, however, so you can probably knock a good 6-7 off. Then, you can take Triumvirate onto the list to round it off at around 21-22 alliances attacking M/CoW/FATAL.
They fought against these odds for months on end, and left battered and bruised. They turned to their only surviving space-holding ally, and were told to fork over 6b/42b (depending on who you believe), or to get the **** out. that is not an alliance - that's extortion.
Originally by: Kryztal
Originally by: Tomcatt Tholarim you want to say something about the chain of events? Lets, please.
We came down to help you. We came down to fight along side of you despite our past history. We were there to support you.
NO ONE in STK mined a single roid. Maybe a couple of guys shot a rat or two in an NPC station system BEFORE you talked to me, but not after.
My guys were our roaming with Bob and came back to dock for the night and were locked out. They were there when FAT fell, but couldn't dock. This is how you treat your allies? Toss on top of that the 42b for M.Pire each month? That offer came before the lockouts, so what? You were pressuring us into taking it?
M.PIRE doesn't owe you a damn thing.
WTS math skills. It was a standard rent agreement (6billion exclusive const for all of m.pire) that was on the table after getting told to **** off and mind our own buisness when STK was ratting in our home constellation. "oh im not ratting im just testing my sniper setup" lol If your leadership had come to us and asked first we wouldnt have had any problem with M.Pire getting themselves sorted but our space is our space and if you were so called "good allies" you would have respected that and asked insted of just taking.
We are arrogant and our allies and friends know that, we also show respect to those that show us respect. We gave m.pire our respect and got nothing but smack back. With attitude like that your better suited on the other side anyway.
Nice to see Gungan's back in the "mr ASCN's head forum poster guy" position.
Reading the two above quotes in succession, and then get to the part where "respect" is mentioned by BoB makes me LOL so bad it's not even remotely funny.
Quote: [ 2006.12.27 16:58:11 ] Shrike > WHAT are you doing in Delve?
[ 2006.12.27 16:58:24 ] RachelLI > ratting
[ 2006.12.27 16:58:49 ] Shrike > You have exactly 5 seconds to leave and go back to Fountain.
And this is talk between allies?
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August Personage
Caldari Clarf Inc
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Posted - 2007.10.11 10:48:00 -
[581]
Originally by: Platinum Sapphire
Originally by: Pobs
Who the f*ck is August Personage ?
BoB-alt... I'm guessing either Blacklight or SirMolle... could possibly even be Seleene. Always trying to spin BoB's propaganda, while claiming neutrality in every issue.
In reality, who knows, who cares... Disregard them.
Originally by: Pobs
Who the f*ck are Caldari Clarf Inc.
BoB-Alt Corp... Treat them the same as August Personage.
i'm not quite sure whether to be flattered or offended that you think i'm them. i've stated that i'm nothing to do with BoB. you have obviously chosen not to believe me. This is actually the first thread that i think i've posted in heavily, usually i tend not to, so your claim that i'm always tring to spin BoBs propaganda is false. i can assure you that there is no one from BoB in my corp, the only other member is a long term RL friend who i convinced to play eve. he was previously a wow player, and as such i don't think he has a clue who BoB are.
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Haulerschlampe
Madhatters Inc. M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.11 10:50:00 -
[582]
Edited by: Hauler******** on 11/10/2007 10:52:50 / signed to the first posting
I am with M.Pire
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Overseer Goth
Logistic Exposium Industries
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Posted - 2007.10.11 10:51:00 -
[583]
Edited by: Overseer Goth on 11/10/2007 10:55:11 Originally by: August Personage
i'm nothing to do with bob actually, imo they're gonna die eventually no matter what side m.pire sit on. whats hilarious is m.pire pretending that they're so hard done to, they failed epicly. they lost their space they didn't take themselves. so bob aren't willing to give them anymore just like that. its not slavery, its common sense. don't give alliances, who have not proven themselves worthy of it, space, without getting some immediate benefit from it.
Isnt this exactly what they did with Feythabolis? Gave the space to an alliance that could not even hold the npc stations in outer ring from Ronin?
I believe this person to be the overly educated Sir Molle...having spoke with him in the past, the likeness in speech is oh so familiar.
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DeTox MinRohim
Madhatters Inc. M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.11 10:52:00 -
[584]
Originally by: iNsAn3 Edited by: iNsAn3 on 11/10/2007 10:45:10 Requesting to get this post topic changed to "JUST WHO IS AUGUST PERSONAGE"
Signed... no wait...
Originally by: August Personage i'm not quite sure whether to be flattered or offended that you think i'm them. i've stated that i'm nothing to do with BoB. you have obviously chosen not to believe me. This is actually the first thread that i think i've posted in heavily, usually i tend not to, so your claim that i'm always tring to spin BoBs propaganda is false. i can assure you that there is no one from BoB in my corp, the only other member is a long term RL friend who i convinced to play eve. he was previously a wow player, and as such i don't think he has a clue who BoB are.
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Nez Sewers
Black Toilet.
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Posted - 2007.10.11 10:53:00 -
[585]
I hereby grant you honour badge, courtesy of goonswarm.
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Arl
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.11 10:56:00 -
[586]
Originally by: August Personage
i can assure you that there is no one from BoB in my corp, the only other member is a long term RL friend who i convinced to play eve. he was previously a wow player, and as such i don't think he has a clue who BoB are.
Get your other guy in here posting, he can't do much worse than you.
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Ramlir
0.0 Corp
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Posted - 2007.10.11 10:56:00 -
[587]
Originally by: marakor
Only goon would welcome you with open doors but then they will take anybody.
I know you don't have a lot of experience in this area but in the outside world inclusion is considered a positive thing. In the end, the exclusivity that BoB holds so dear leads to arrogance which leads to incidents like this.
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Nez Sewers
Black Toilet.
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Posted - 2007.10.11 10:56:00 -
[588]
Originally by: Celdorae
Originally by: Ivor Gunn
Originally by: August Personage 6 months sounds like a rather large exageration
M.'s killboard tracks their first kills as in march. It is in fact 7 months of fighting as an alliance on bob's side.
Quote: and whoever posted 22 hostile alliances needs to either stop posting or show some proof too.
That would have been me:
Anvil., Angels of Discord, CORE, Dark Matter Coallition, Ekliptika, Event-Horizon, Fallout Project, Insurgency, IRON, Invictus, Ka-Tet, Morsus Mihi, Mordus Angels, Mostly Harmless, Pandemic Legion, Peons of Doom, Pure, RA, Razor Alliance, Roadkill, Rule of Three, Nxt Level, Smash Alliance, Stela Polar,Synchronizerz, TCF, The Makhai, Hydra Alliance, Fate. Corp, Te-KA,Vae Victis. The Covenant Alliance, Prismatic Refraction, The Reckoning. Phoenix Allianz, The Makhai.
This is the list of entities who had access to the intel and invite channel the invasion was run from. There are 39. Only about 2/3 of these took part in the actual invasion - which works out at about 26 alliances and corps. A chunk of these were totall insignificant, however, so you can probably knock a good 6-7 off. Then, you can take Triumvirate onto the list to round it off at around 21-22 alliances attacking M/CoW/FATAL.
They fought against these odds for months on end, and left battered and bruised. They turned to their only surviving space-holding ally, and were told to fork over 6b/42b (depending on who you believe), or to get the **** out. that is not an alliance - that's extortion.
Originally by: Kryztal
Originally by: Tomcatt Tholarim you want to say something about the chain of events? Lets, please.
We came down to help you. We came down to fight along side of you despite our past history. We were there to support you.
NO ONE in STK mined a single roid. Maybe a couple of guys shot a rat or two in an NPC station system BEFORE you talked to me, but not after.
My guys were our roaming with Bob and came back to dock for the night and were locked out. They were there when FAT fell, but couldn't dock. This is how you treat your allies? Toss on top of that the 42b for M.Pire each month? That offer came before the lockouts, so what? You were pressuring us into taking it?
M.PIRE doesn't owe you a damn thing.
WTS math skills. It was a standard rent agreement (6billion exclusive const for all of m.pire) that was on the table after getting told to **** off and mind our own buisness when STK was ratting in our home constellation. "oh im not ratting im just testing my sniper setup" lol If your leadership had come to us and asked first we wouldnt have had any problem with M.Pire getting themselves sorted but our space is our space and if you were so called "good allies" you would have respected that and asked insted of just taking.
We are arrogant and our allies and friends know that, we also show respect to those that show us respect. We gave m.pire our respect and got nothing but smack back. With attitude like that your better suited on the other side anyway.
Nice to see Gungan's back in the "mr ASCN's head forum poster guy" position.
Reading the two above quotes in succession, and then get to the part where "respect" is mentioned by BoB makes me LOL so bad it's not even remotely funny.
Quote: [ 2006.12.27 16:58:11 ] Shrike > WHAT are you doing in Delve?
[ 2006.12.27 16:58:24 ] RachelLI > ratting
[ 2006.12.27 16:58:49 ] Shrike > You have exactly 5 seconds to leave and go back to Fountain.
And this is talk between allies?
0/10
We've heard rumours of CA getting ganked by TCF before standing reset --------- Darker(and more stinking) side of ...
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DeTox MinRohim
Madhatters Inc. M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.11 10:57:00 -
[589]
Originally by: marakor
Did you realy expect BOB to think your worth anything other than a bit of monthly isk after you surrendered to razor without consulting or even informing your allies?. Only goon would welcome you with open doors but then they will take anybody.
And ive been asleep so i missed the first few pages lol.
zzz
/me clicks on the cleaner thing...
Hey... where did he go? ------ This sig space is Read-only ! omgalink - Online Skillsheet |
marakor
Gallente Anti Lag Forum Smackers
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Posted - 2007.10.11 10:58:00 -
[590]
Originally by: Celdorae
Anvil., Angels of Discord, CORE, Dark Matter Coallition, Ekliptika, Event-Horizon, Fallout Project, Insurgency, IRON, Invictus, Ka-Tet, Morsus Mihi, Mordus Angels, Mostly Harmless, Pandemic Legion, Peons of Doom, Pure, RA, Razor Alliance, Roadkill, Rule of Three, Nxt Level, Smash Alliance, Stela Polar,Synchronizerz, TCF, The Makhai, Hydra Alliance, Fate. Corp, Te-KA,Vae Victis. The Covenant Alliance, Prismatic Refraction, The Reckoning. Phoenix Allianz, The Makhai.
I see a lot of names here and yes over the 5-6 months these guys may have shot a gun or two at you but lets be honest making out that for 6 months all theese guy were constantly attacking you and that you were worn down eventualy after a long and bitter war is a total fabrication. The largest fleet that came against you was when razor and buddies attacked with tri and we had about 400 ships total. You repulsed that attack and it was days if not weeks before razor and buddies came back with a better plan and tri were nowhere near bkg and razor fleets were considerably smaller than 400.
The opinions that i give are the opinions of my corp although my alts opinions may differ as this is my forum smack alt. |
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StarSearcher
STK Scientific M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.11 11:02:00 -
[591]
Originally by: Platinum Sapphire By the way, the spin I am seeing here (and on the SHC boards) from BoB reminds me a lot of the following scenario:
Husband> "Aww, c'mon baby, I didn't mean to hit you. I mean, look.. the bruise isn't even that big... Baby, please don't leave me... I promise never to hit you like that again..."
At least M.Pire has the brains to leave that relationship...
rofl - that one was funny
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Farscape Hw
Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.10.11 11:04:00 -
[592]
welcome to reality Mpire. glad to see you finally coming to your senses.
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Pobs
M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.11 11:05:00 -
[593]
Originally by: August Personage [i'm not quite sure whether to be flattered or offended that you think i'm them. i've stated that i'm nothing to do with BoB. you have obviously chosen not to believe me.
Sorry, let me redirect my question, it was not aimed at the eve community in general for speculation, it was asked directly at August Personage.
Who are you? What is your interest in this debate? What do you and your corp do in eve?
The answers to the above questions would help me understand your role in this debate a bit more.
It has just taken me 3 hrs to read this entire thread (but I'm M.Corp), you must have spent alot more than that on it, and I'm just wondering what your motivation is to spend so much of your RL on it.
Thanks in response of a complete and smack free response.
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Enfoe
Ardent Adversary Anvil.
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Posted - 2007.10.11 11:05:00 -
[594]
Edited by: Enfoe on 11/10/2007 11:05:29
Originally by: marakor
Originally by: Celdorae
Anvil., Angels of Discord, CORE, Dark Matter Coallition, Ekliptika, Event-Horizon, Fallout Project, Insurgency, IRON, Invictus, Ka-Tet, Morsus Mihi, Mordus Angels, Mostly Harmless, Pandemic Legion, Peons of Doom, Pure, RA, Razor Alliance, Roadkill, Rule of Three, Nxt Level, Smash Alliance, Stela Polar,Synchronizerz, TCF, The Makhai, Hydra Alliance, Fate. Corp, Te-KA,Vae Victis. The Covenant Alliance, Prismatic Refraction, The Reckoning. Phoenix Allianz, The Makhai.
I see a lot of names here and yes over the 5-6 months these guys may have shot a gun or two at you but lets be honest making out that for 6 months all theese guy were constantly attacking you and that you were worn down eventualy after a long and bitter war is a total fabrication.
I agree. + some of those alliances are just a bunch of alts and spys, not real alliances.
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Louis Lane
Minmatar Imperium Holding corp
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Posted - 2007.10.11 11:06:00 -
[595]
Originally by: Tholarim Tomcatt
Quote: We came down to help you. We came down to fight along side of you despite our past history. We were there to support you.
True, and on the discussion we had on mc ts about this with some of your leadership it was said that you were not looking for space or anything but only fights. Your leadership even stated you didn't need any space down here whatsoever.
Quote: NO ONE in STK mined a single roid. Maybe a couple of guys shot a rat or two in an NPC station system BEFORE you talked to me, but not after.
Your guys were seen in the belts in that system, i'll say mining and npcing covered whatever they were doing. You were doing it without even a short mssg our leadership or anything. Which is something any alliance out there would find at least peculiar.
Quote: My guys were our roaming with Bob and came back to dock for the night and were locked out. They were there when FAT fell, but couldn't dock. This is how you treat your allies?
Docking rights are based on corp to corp settings, which hadn't been set yet at that point. Since your leadership never contacted ours to work out some details, or compromises.
Quote: Toss on top of that the 42b for M.Pire each month? That offer came before the lockouts, so what? You were pressuring us into taking it?
Dunno where you get 42 billion from, but the standard fee for every alliance is 6 billion for the whole alliance per month for a constellation deal. No1 from bob ever said 6 bn per corp per month.
all water under the bridge though, allthough we get accused of **** all the time and are used to it i sometimes feel the need to correct any blatant lies
So Tholarim You are running out of ratting/mining space?
So much that you have to punish your most loyal allies over a few rats/roids?
You have back-stabbed your last friend hopefully as I cannot picture anyone wanting to side with you after this fiasco.
Band of Brothers? It's more like Band of USERS to me and the rest of this community.
Don't worry about NOL and the surrounding areas you won't have them and soon you won't have to worry about who is mining/ratting there.
Nice job guys you make this whole community proud.
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mamolian
M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.11 11:10:00 -
[596]
Originally by: Gontard So a couple of MPire leaders weren't unable to solve a diplomatic misunderstanding and got it to the forums.
The regular MPire member is now confused. Bottom thing is that a couple of guys made a decision without consulting their alliance.
First effect : MPire is down 300 members in less than a day. That's 30%.
It's true , sucks to be a MPire guy, you had a certain enemy for months, that took your space and humiliated you in every corner and now, suddenly, you sre told that your best buddie are the goons.
If someone failed here ... look at the top.
You either replace them or leave.
Your right :) We had no issue what so ever dealing with a diplomatic situation, our counterparts on the other hand were not interested in resolving this one. As for member count, sure we've lost a lot of good people recently due to being in empire once more. But we've yet to see any effect from yesterdays announcement. As for the guys making a decision without consulting the alliance? Don't be silly.. I'm just a grunt, yet I've seen this coming for several days.. No one has any excuse to state they knew nothing about this. And forum trolls you've nothing to base your smack on :)
Good day!
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Brzk
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Posted - 2007.10.11 11:10:00 -
[597]
Well... M.Pire, welcome on the other side ! o/
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BitchInCharge
Head-Hunters
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Posted - 2007.10.11 11:11:00 -
[598]
Originally by: Gontard So a couple of MPire leaders weren't unable to solve a diplomatic misunderstanding and got it to the forums.
The regular MPire member is now confused. Bottom thing is that a couple of guys made a decision without consulting their alliance.
First effect : MPire is down 300 members in less than a day. That's 30%.
It's true , sucks to be a MPire guy, you had a certain enemy for months, that took your space and humiliated you in every corner and now, suddenly, you sre told that your best buddie are the goons.
If someone failed here ... look at the top.
You either replace them or leave.
Nice post
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sophisticatedlimabean
Gallente The JORG Corporation Methods of Mayhem Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.11 11:13:00 -
[599]
Originally by: Gontard So a First effect : MPire is down 300 members in less than a day. That's 30%.
I wonder how many actual ppl that is as they must be active to have left so id say its quite a big hit.
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De Vito
Mythos Corp RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.11 11:13:00 -
[600]
omfg, signed
Eμπiστoσύνη δε xaρiζετaι, kaτakτiέτai |
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Lee Mina
STK Scientific
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Posted - 2007.10.11 11:15:00 -
[601]
/signed
Points pew pew where the boss tells me.
Looking forward to great fights
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Deva Blackfire
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.10.11 11:15:00 -
[602]
Well Kudos for the decission. That was unexpected.
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Night Tripper
Es and Whizz
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Posted - 2007.10.11 11:17:00 -
[603]
BoB are either loosing the plot, or just don't care anymore. choosing to go down in a flaming ball.
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Cippalippus Primus
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.11 11:19:00 -
[604]
So is M.PIRE going to be blue to us soon or not?
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marakor
Gallente Anti Lag Forum Smackers
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Posted - 2007.10.11 11:19:00 -
[605]
Originally by: Platinum Sapphire By the way, the spin I am seeing here (and on the SHC boards) from BoB reminds me a lot of the following scenario:
Husband> "Aww, c'mon baby, I didn't mean to hit you. I mean, look.. the bruise isn't even that big... Baby, please don't leave me... I promise never to hit you like that again..."
At least M.Pire has the brains to leave that relationship...
Realy?.
I thought that mpire were mostly ex-LV and LV got ass whopped by GOON and then by GOON allies and pets in the north so id say that they have just moved in the abusive husband or they are suffering from Stockholm syndrome.
Fancy holding hands with the guys who twice now have bent you over lol
The opinions that i give are the opinions of my corp although my alts opinions may differ as this is my forum smack alt. |
MetalI
Union Of Xtreme Military
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Posted - 2007.10.11 11:21:00 -
[606]
/signed
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Marlz
The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.10.11 11:22:00 -
[607]
Couldn't be bothered to read all 22 pages, but has anyone thought that this might be some sort of trick?
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Lucre
STK Scientific M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.11 11:22:00 -
[608]
Originally by: Gontard The regular MPire member is now confused. Bottom thing is that a couple of guys made a decision without consulting their alliance.
/me makes mental note to see my Doctor about the delusions I seem to be having of having sat in on an MPire director's meeting for an hour or two last night which discussed and voted on whether to stick with BoB. Before the announcement was made.
You fail. |
Pandi
Caldari Militaris Industries
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Posted - 2007.10.11 11:24:00 -
[609]
welcome to the party pal
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Temerlyn
Minmatar STK Scientific M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.11 11:25:00 -
[610]
Wow, Just Wow...
Ive read other forums now on the same subject and i am impressed with the assumptions.
We are out for ourselves, so is everyone else, why are we any different.
Income comes from 0.0 space.
Both parties offer the exact same thing except....
Goons offer it for free.
In both scenarios, with who ever we go with we would have to fight for the right to own that space. Thing is with bob i thought we already earned some of that.
Yes ego's got the better of us, on both sides. We started ratting, you said get out blah blah blah...
we made a mistake on that front sure but BoB immediate reaction was to slap us down.
42 bill was a miss communication sure. Thing is when i started this i knew it was 6 billion. But thats 6 billion more than we wanted to pay.
When goons approached us its because we had a relationship with ex ascn members. Its the who you know scenario there. As we stated we said no as we already had a side. This cant be proven at all but it is the truth.
Bob you just need better diplomats.
But realistically it does not matter.
Even had you guys been uber nice to us it still would of cost us 6 billion a month. 6 billion more than what we wanted to pay.
But for an alliance to survive it needs 0.0. Only place left to turn to was goons. lo and behold they extended an olive branch. We looked at it and wrote up a list of requirements for us to accept such a deal.
They gave us every single one.
Bob, you cannot beat that deal, you refuse to.
But i am getting beyond myself here. this has been epic in so many ways. More than any of us expected. The public support has been surprisingly overwhelming in and out of coad.
So thanks to all friends and enemies alike, this is gunna be hella fun.
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DALE0404
Blue Star Brotherhood
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Posted - 2007.10.11 11:30:00 -
[611]
Originally by: Temerlyn Wow, Just Wow...
Ive read other forums now on the same subject and i am impressed with the assumptions.
We are out for ourselves, so is everyone else, why are we any different.
Income comes from 0.0 space.
Both parties offer the exact same thing except....
Goons offer it for free.
In both scenarios, with who ever we go with we would have to fight for the right to own that space. Thing is with bob i thought we already earned some of that.
Yes ego's got the better of us, on both sides. We started ratting, you said get out blah blah blah...
we made a mistake on that front sure but BoB immediate reaction was to slap us down.
42 bill was a miss communication sure. Thing is when i started this i knew it was 6 billion. But thats 6 billion more than we wanted to pay.
When goons approached us its because we had a relationship with ex ascn members. Its the who you know scenario there. As we stated we said no as we already had a side. This cant be proven at all but it is the truth.
Bob you just need better diplomats.
But realistically it does not matter.
Even had you guys been uber nice to us it still would of cost us 6 billion a month. 6 billion more than what we wanted to pay.
But for an alliance to survive it needs 0.0. Only place left to turn to was goons. lo and behold they extended an olive branch. We looked at it and wrote up a list of requirements for us to accept such a deal.
They gave us every single one.
Bob, you cannot beat that deal, you refuse to.
But i am getting beyond myself here. this has been epic in so many ways. More than any of us expected. The public support has been surprisingly overwhelming in and out of coad.
So thanks to all friends and enemies alike, this is gunna be hella fun.
I like the idea of turning away from BOB and going to GOONS, might try that myself.
/me slaps himself and wakes up. Only when the EVE Universe freezes over will I ever call myself and my corp a friend of the GOONS.
M.PIRE, you are in a LOSE/LOSE situation, congrats.
P.S. Don't know who I am? I Dont care.
Blue Star Brotherhood
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Gungankllr
Caldari STK Scientific M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.11 11:31:00 -
[612]
Edited by: Gungankllr on 11/10/2007 11:32:02 I can confirm that last week prior to all this I turned down a Goon offer based on us wanting to remain loyal to BoB.
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Rasta Rocketman
Sniggerdly
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Posted - 2007.10.11 11:31:00 -
[613]
Arrogance got the best of Bob, it will be costly for them.
M.Pire - glad to see you on our side _______________________________________________
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Roland 99
Minmatar Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.11 11:31:00 -
[614]
Edited by: Roland 99 on 11/10/2007 11:32:39
Quote: Louis Lane Minmatar Imperium Holding corp
XIRTAM ALT ALERT!!
o wait he didnt post in short capitalized sentences
nvm :( ________
The only thing lower than a coward is a pet and I vow to eradicate every last one of you. |
Jags
Minmatar M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.11 11:33:00 -
[615]
As to the drop of 300 members QUAM left to pursue something else, planned well before this announcement. We lost a few players who were just frankly burnt out by POS management up in Branch. Loyal guys who will be back once they chill for a few months.
@murakor/sophisticatedmongbean , away and troll yer pish elsewhere. Looking foward to podding this ****wit pack to the stoneage
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HotSeat
Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.10.11 11:34:00 -
[616]
o/ M.PIRE
Sov 4 is nothing compared to the Power of the Grief !! |
marakor
Gallente Anti Lag Forum Smackers
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Posted - 2007.10.11 11:34:00 -
[617]
Edited by: marakor on 11/10/2007 11:35:45
Originally by: Gungankllr Edited by: Gungankllr on 11/10/2007 11:32:02 I can confirm that last week prior to all this I turned down a Goon offer based on us wanting to remain loyal to BoB.
Too bad they didn't feel that we were worthy allies.
Your not.
But im sure goon will enjoy more numbers/cannon fodder in there ranks
The opinions that i give are the opinions of my corp although my alts opinions may differ as this is my forum smack alt. |
Frogsley
Babylon. Combined Planetary Union
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Posted - 2007.10.11 11:36:00 -
[618]
Oh Kernel, I do wubs ya :)
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Temerlyn
Minmatar STK Scientific M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.11 11:36:00 -
[619]
Edited by: Temerlyn on 11/10/2007 11:37:36 Xirtam and i go way back, he's mah hommie.
While never an invite the doors to his reformed curse alliance were open to us.
My ego must state that he and i formed the founding of the curse alliance (till we copped our post patch eve membership quit poison)
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Malachon Draco
eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.10.11 11:37:00 -
[620]
Originally by: marakor Edited by: marakor on 11/10/2007 11:35:45
Originally by: Gungankllr Edited by: Gungankllr on 11/10/2007 11:32:02 I can confirm that last week prior to all this I turned down a Goon offer based on us wanting to remain loyal to BoB.
Too bad they didn't feel that we were worthy allies.
Your not.
It's 'you're' ------------------------------------------------
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Platinum Sapphire
Minmatar Epsilon Financial Bureau GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.11 11:38:00 -
[621]
Originally by: marakor Realy?.
I thought that mpire were mostly ex-LV and LV got ass whopped by GOON and then by GOON allies and pets in the north so id say that they have just moved in the abusive husband or they are suffering from Stockholm syndrome.
Fancy holding hands with the guys who twice now have bent you over lol
RSF beat LV and took that space, yes. M.Pire is made up of a lot of former LV corps, yes. M.Pire went north and fought a lot of RSF-friendly alliances, yes. M.Pire held firm despire the forces arrayed against it, and earned much respect from the people they fought against (RZR, MM, TRI, etc)... but in the end they were forced from their space, yes.
But at no stage did RSF or any of it's allies in the north "bend over" LV or M.Pire and demand taxes/rent... and we still haven't now that M.Pire has voted to join with us against BoB.
BoB, however, decided that even though M.Pire has fought and bled for the (so-called) "Greater BoB Coalition" for over 6 months, they must now also pay a tithe of 6bn per month (minimum.. there are reports it is 6bn PER CORP per month) before they would be allowed access to stations to continue to fight for the "glory" of the GBC...
*THAT*, my friend, is bending someone over...
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Pobs
M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.11 11:40:00 -
[622]
Edited by: Pobs on 11/10/2007 11:43:37 I would need a confirmation on this by an M. Corp CEO but I dont believe we have accepted any deal with the Goons at this moment in time.
MPIRE has decided not to work with BOB and to contribute to their downfall. How we do that is still for discussion.
Yes there are offers which look good from Goons, but at this moment in time we are recieving new offers by the hour.
Just wanted to clarify my understanding of this, just incase the guys in Goon who made us the recent offer are thinking we are ploughing ahead without agreement with them. Please speak to our diplomats for more info, this is not the place for discussing deals or future plans.
Lots of discussions to be had still, its just that none will be with BoB
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Ponderous Thunderstroke
Republic War Machine Industries
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Posted - 2007.10.11 11:41:00 -
[623]
Originally by: marakor Edited by: marakor on 11/10/2007 11:35:45
Originally by: Gungankllr Edited by: Gungankllr on 11/10/2007 11:32:02 I can confirm that last week prior to all this I turned down a Goon offer based on us wanting to remain loyal to BoB.
Too bad they didn't feel that we were worthy allies.
Your not.
But im sure goon will enjoy more numbers/cannon fodder in there ranks
That's just hilarious compared to the alternative in BloB.
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KracKaTinny
Minmatar STK Scientific M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.11 11:41:00 -
[624]
Originally by: Marlz Couldn't be bothered to read all 22 pages, but has anyone thought that this might be some sort of trick?
can confirm this isnt a trick marlz...this is for real. i for one am actually looking forward to flying with most of these guys that were once red...be advised...im a social drinker...just very social...so plz disable recording on ts..thanks
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Platinum Sapphire
Minmatar Epsilon Financial Bureau GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.11 11:45:00 -
[625]
Originally by: KracKaTinny
Originally by: Marlz Couldn't be bothered to read all 22 pages, but has anyone thought that this might be some sort of trick?
can confirm this isnt a trick marlz...this is for real. i for one am actually looking forward to flying with most of these guys that were once red...be advised...im a social drinker...just very social...so plz disable recording on ts..thanks
Only a scoial drinker??? That will change after a few joint "Slosh Ops" under SUAS and other drunken Goon FCs..
Also, with a name like KracKaTinny, you'd be a fellow Australian?? If so, you need to clarify to the rest of Eve what you mean by "social" drinker..
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zilllii
Squirrel Power
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Posted - 2007.10.11 11:46:00 -
[626]
Originally by: Malachon Draco
Originally by: marakor Edited by: marakor on 11/10/2007 11:35:45
Originally by: Gungankllr Edited by: Gungankllr on 11/10/2007 11:32:02 I can confirm that last week prior to all this I turned down a Goon offer based on us wanting to remain loyal to BoB.
Too bad they didn't feel that we were worthy allies.
Your not.
It's 'you're'
actually it is "you are" -------------------------------------------------- [ 2006.12.27 17:23:41 ] Shrike > To late for all that, you had your chance. [ 2006.12.27 17:24:47 ] RachelLI > if u really is a women.i thi |
Darc Kaahar
The Scope
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Posted - 2007.10.11 11:48:00 -
[627]
M PIRE STRIKES BACK!
WHA'CHA GONNA DO?
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MacArvid
Gallente M. Corp
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Posted - 2007.10.11 11:52:00 -
[628]
First of all i would like to thank you all to post in here.......so i didnt have to work today.
And yes sure we might have a few M:s that will leave beacuse of personal things but our main force will be in in M.Pire and im pretty sure that some ppl will join us after this.
M.Corp are my family and i wouldnt let them down in anyway. For now we are neutral to almost everyone and in a few days we know what we will do next.
Maybe we are going to have sex with all goons that wants our ass or maybe we will crawl back to BoB "PLS FORGIVE US u will get all my money and my wife".....ok maybe not my money.
We play the game for fun and to hang out with our friends.....maybe some ppl think its natrual to have friends that pays just to play with them.....that worked when u are 8 years old.
Cheers to you Cheers to me The best of friends will allways be But if by chance you disagree Then f.uck you all and cheers to me
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KracKaTinny
Minmatar STK Scientific M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.11 11:52:00 -
[629]
Edited by: KracKaTinny on 11/10/2007 11:52:42
Originally by: Platinum Sapphire
Originally by: KracKaTinny
Originally by: Marlz Couldn't be bothered to read all 22 pages, but has anyone thought that this might be some sort of trick?
can confirm this isnt a trick marlz...this is for real. i for one am actually looking forward to flying with most of these guys that were once red...be advised...im a social drinker...just very social...so plz disable recording on ts..thanks
Only a scoial drinker??? That will change after a few joint "Slosh Ops" under SUAS and other drunken Goon FCs..
Also, with a name like KracKaTinny, you'd be a fellow Australian?? If so, you need to clarify to the rest of Eve what you mean by "social" drinker..
correct...another aussie here....social drinker i define as 1-2 bottles with the guys on ts...i will drink more on a bet...but thats not social..thats a national pastime
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Razor Jaxx
Minmatar Cosmic Odyssey
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Posted - 2007.10.11 11:53:00 -
[630]
Regardless of the details, the result comes out as a diplomatic debacle for BoB.
Not only do they lose a staunch ally, which I'm not sure they can afford, but they also victimize MC (were they even consulted?), and broadcast a very negative message to their other current and potential allies.
But then again, what do I know...
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Maximillian Bayonette
Baleful Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.10.11 11:53:00 -
[631]
Originally by: Temerlyn Wow, Just Wow...
Ive read other forums now on the same subject and i am impressed with the assumptions.
We are out for ourselves, so is everyone else, why are we any different.
Income comes from 0.0 space.
Both parties offer the exact same thing except....
Goons offer it for free.
In both scenarios, with who ever we go with we would have to fight for the right to own that space. Thing is with bob i thought we already earned some of that.
Yes ego's got the better of us, on both sides. We started ratting, you said get out blah blah blah...
we made a mistake on that front sure but BoB immediate reaction was to slap us down.
42 bill was a miss communication sure. Thing is when i started this i knew it was 6 billion. But thats 6 billion more than we wanted to pay.
When goons approached us its because we had a relationship with ex ascn members. Its the who you know scenario there. As we stated we said no as we already had a side. This cant be proven at all but it is the truth.
Bob you just need better diplomats.
But realistically it does not matter.
Even had you guys been uber nice to us it still would of cost us 6 billion a month. 6 billion more than what we wanted to pay.
But for an alliance to survive it needs 0.0. Only place left to turn to was goons. lo and behold they extended an olive branch. We looked at it and wrote up a list of requirements for us to accept such a deal.
They gave us every single one.
Bob, you cannot beat that deal, you refuse to.
But i am getting beyond myself here. this has been epic in so many ways. More than any of us expected. The public support has been surprisingly overwhelming in and out of coad.
So thanks to all friends and enemies alike, this is gunna be hella fun.
This is a pretty interesting post in that it more or less confirms BoB's story. The Goons bought you out, and your price for switching sides was 6 bil a month. I have complete understanding for looking after your own alliance first, but this thread has all been about trying to lay the blame on BoB. The fact is that you turned away from your long term allies because of 6 bil a month.
Note that you don't know what it will cost you to live in Goon territory in the long run.
I always liked M.Pire, and I thought you did a great job holding us off in the north, but this turncoat deal as tarnished you. Of course the coalition will jump on this, claiming you're not turncoats and that you have "seen the light", but as you yourself have admitted here, you turned on your allies because of isk. Well done.
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Temerlyn
Minmatar STK Scientific M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.11 11:55:00 -
[632]
Everyone has there price.
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Crax McGee
Silentium. Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.11 11:55:00 -
[633]
GL! signed - you should be able 2 get ur stuff out BKG now maybe?? :-)
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MacArvid
Gallente M. Corp
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Posted - 2007.10.11 11:57:00 -
[634]
Originally by: Maximillian Bayonette
Originally by: Temerlyn Wow, Just Wow...
Ive read other forums now on the same subject and i am impressed with the assumptions.
We are out for ourselves, so is everyone else, why are we any different.
Income comes from 0.0 space.
Both parties offer t
Goons offer it for free.
In both scenarios, with who ever we go with we would have to fight for the right to own that space. Thing is with bob i thought we already earned some of that.
Yes ego's got the better of us, on both sides. We started ratting, you said get out blah blah blah...
we made a mistake on that front sure but BoB immediate reaction was to slap us down.
42 bill was a miss communication sure. Thing is when i started this i knew it was 6 billion. But thats 6 billion more than we wanted to pay.
When goons approached us its because we had a relationship with ex ascn members. Its the who you know scenario there. As we stated we said no as we already had a side. This cant be proven at all but it is the truth.
Bob you just need better diplomats.
But realistically it does not matter.
Even had you guys been uber nice to us it still would of cost us 6 billion a month. 6 billion more than what we wanted to pay.
But for an alliance to survive it needs 0.0. Only place left to turn to was goons. lo and behold they extended an olive branch. We looked at it and wrote up a list of requirements for us to accept such a deal.
They gave us every single one.
Bob, you cannot beat that deal, you refuse to.
But i am getting beyond myself here. this has been epic in so many ways. More than any of us expected. The public support has been surprisingly overwhelming in and out of coad.
So thanks to all friends and enemies alike, this is gunna be hella fun.
This is a pretty interesting post in that it more or less confirms BoB's story. The Goons bought you out, and your price for switching sides was 6 bil a month. I have complete understanding for looking after your own alliance first, but this thread has all been about trying to lay the blame on BoB. The fact is that you turned away from your long term allies because of 6 bil a month.
Note that you don't know what it will cost you to live in Goon territory in the long run.
I always liked M.Pire, and I thought you did a great job holding us off in the north, but this turncoat deal as tarnished you. Of course the coalition will jump on this, claiming you're not turncoats and that you have "seen the light", but as you yourself have admitted here, you turned on your allies because of isk. Well done.
M8 u realy dont get it......u dont pay friends
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Gungankllr
Caldari STK Scientific M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.11 11:59:00 -
[635]
Originally by: Maximillian Bayonette
This is a pretty interesting post in that it more or less confirms BoB's story. The Goons bought you out, and your price for switching sides was 6 bil a month. I have complete understanding for looking after your own alliance first, but this thread has all been about trying to lay the blame on BoB. The fact is that you turned away from your long term allies because of 6 bil a month.
Note that you don't know what it will cost you to live in Goon territory in the long run.
I always liked M.Pire, and I thought you did a great job holding us off in the north, but this turncoat deal as tarnished you. Of course the coalition will jump on this, claiming you're not turncoats and that you have "seen the light", but as you yourself have admitted here, you turned on your allies because of isk. Well done.
You clearly do not understand what the entire issue at hand is.
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Asylum Seaker
Quam Singulari
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Posted - 2007.10.11 11:59:00 -
[636]
Originally by: marakor
Originally by: Platinum Sapphire By the way, the spin I am seeing here (and on the SHC boards) from BoB reminds me a lot of the following scenario:
Husband> "Aww, c'mon baby, I didn't mean to hit you. I mean, look.. the bruise isn't even that big... Baby, please don't leave me... I promise never to hit you like that again..."
At least M.Pire has the brains to leave that relationship...
Realy?.
I thought that mpire were mostly ex-LV and LV got ass whopped by GOON and then by GOON allies and pets in the north so id say that they have just moved in the abusive husband or they are suffering from Stockholm syndrome.
Fancy holding hands with the guys who twice now have bent you over lol
I think its strange how some people compare PVP to some kind of painful or unhappy experience.. Personally I feel that spaceship combat is more like making lurrve than getting bent over To all my foes over the years, I still think of you all as I drift off to sleep.
The universe is hostile, so impersonal, devour to survive, so it is, so it's always been.
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Gyro DuAquin1
Tri Optimum Ev0ke
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Posted - 2007.10.11 12:00:00 -
[637]
Intresting read and a good drama.
Personaly I wouldnt have alligned with anyone of bob or goons, M.Pire would have had the option to team up with rzr, MM and friends and conquer some space. Better deal then blobbing with goons.
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Andrei Vassaliev
Altera Odyssea Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.10.11 12:00:00 -
[638]
M. Pire, your decision deserves lot of respect. Welcome aboard. I'll be proud to fly on your side, freedom fighters!
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Maximillian Bayonette
Baleful Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.10.11 12:02:00 -
[639]
Originally by: MacArvid M8 u realy dont get it......u dont pay friends
Actually I think I get it very well. You where given space in the north, and due to a lot of people ganging up on you, you failed to hold it. You moved down south and expected what exactly? To be given a chunk of someone else's space free of charge? You where offered a deal by BoB, a standard deal as they call it, to rent a constellation for 6 bil a month. That is for the whole alliance, not per corp as some have tried to spin it into. Instead of declining that deal and continue to fight, and perhaps earn space for yourself in the future, or even say "Screw this, if you don't want our help, fine", you jump into the waiting arms of your long term enemies. That's not the action of a slighted friend or ally. That's the action of a turncoat.
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marakor
Gallente Anti Lag Forum Smackers
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Posted - 2007.10.11 12:02:00 -
[640]
Originally by: Maximillian Bayonette
Originally by: Temerlyn Wow, Just Wow...
Ive read other forums now on the same subject and i am impressed with the assumptions.
We are out for ourselves, so is everyone else, why are we any different.
Income comes from 0.0 space.
Both parties offer the exact same thing except....
Goons offer it for free.
In both scenarios, with who ever we go with we would have to fight for the right to own that space. Thing is with bob i thought we already earned some of that.
Yes ego's got the better of us, on both sides. We started ratting, you said get out blah blah blah...
we made a mistake on that front sure but BoB immediate reaction was to slap us down.
42 bill was a miss communication sure. Thing is when i started this i knew it was 6 billion. But thats 6 billion more than we wanted to pay.
When goons approached us its because we had a relationship with ex ascn members. Its the who you know scenario there. As we stated we said no as we already had a side. This cant be proven at all but it is the truth.
Bob you just need better diplomats.
But realistically it does not matter.
Even had you guys been uber nice to us it still would of cost us 6 billion a month. 6 billion more than what we wanted to pay.
But for an alliance to survive it needs 0.0. Only place left to turn to was goons. lo and behold they extended an olive branch. We looked at it and wrote up a list of requirements for us to accept such a deal.
They gave us every single one.
Bob, you cannot beat that deal, you refuse to.
But i am getting beyond myself here. this has been epic in so many ways. More than any of us expected. The public support has been surprisingly overwhelming in and out of coad.
So thanks to all friends and enemies alike, this is gunna be hella fun.
This is a pretty interesting post in that it more or less confirms BoB's story. The Goons bought you out, and your price for switching sides was 6 bil a month. I have complete understanding for looking after your own alliance first, but this thread has all been about trying to lay the blame on BoB. The fact is that you turned away from your long term allies because of 6 bil a month.
Note that you don't know what it will cost you to live in Goon territory in the long run.
I always liked M.Pire, and I thought you did a great job holding us off in the north, but this turncoat deal as tarnished you. Of course the coalition will jump on this, claiming you're not turncoats and that you have "seen the light", but as you yourself have admitted here, you turned on your allies because of isk. Well done.
And only after almost miliseconds of hard negotiating and barganing with bob did they turn lol. This has been coming since BOB lost ground in the south check out the forums and you can see how their attitude changed. It would'nt supprise me at all if this deal was'nt nailed out or at least discussed before the surrender in BKG.
The opinions that i give are the opinions of my corp although my alts opinions may differ as this is my forum smack alt. |
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Lucre
STK Scientific M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.11 12:08:00 -
[641]
Originally by: Gungankllr
I can confirm that last week prior to all this I turned down a Goon offer based on us wanting to remain loyal to BoB.
And FWIW I can confirm this having been in that conv. And hoping it's not breaking any forum rules, here's an edited highlight.
Quote: Gungankllr > You're wanting us to ally / join Goons Goonrep> Yes. Gungankllr > Ok, the answer is yes, but on one condition Gungankllr > You make us the executor corp of Goons, kick all of the current directors and CEO's, and we all live happily ever after in Jita Goonrep > Knew it :P Gungankllr > ;)
Of course the interesting thing to note here is that Goon reps then stayed polite and friendly even after we'd told them (albeit pleasantly) to take their offer and shove it. Contrast this to BoB's attitude even whilst our guys were fighting in their gangs...
One might even say that CAOD-rep notwithstanding, Goons are better mannered to their enemies than BoB are to their friends. Who'd have thought that, eh? |
Ambre Blanche
ICE is Coming to EVE Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.10.11 12:09:00 -
[642]
Originally by: "Gungankllr" 6 Billion isk / Corp to live in their space
I LOLed
Ambre.
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Malachon Draco
eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.10.11 12:10:00 -
[643]
Originally by: Maximillian Bayonette
Originally by: Temerlyn Wow, Just Wow...
Ive read other forums now on the same subject and i am impressed with the assumptions.
We are out for ourselves, so is everyone else, why are we any different.
Income comes from 0.0 space.
Both parties offer the exact same thing except....
Goons offer it for free.
In both scenarios, with who ever we go with we would have to fight for the right to own that space. Thing is with bob i thought we already earned some of that.
Yes ego's got the better of us, on both sides. We started ratting, you said get out blah blah blah...
we made a mistake on that front sure but BoB immediate reaction was to slap us down.
42 bill was a miss communication sure. Thing is when i started this i knew it was 6 billion. But thats 6 billion more than we wanted to pay.
When goons approached us its because we had a relationship with ex ascn members. Its the who you know scenario there. As we stated we said no as we already had a side. This cant be proven at all but it is the truth.
Bob you just need better diplomats.
But realistically it does not matter.
Even had you guys been uber nice to us it still would of cost us 6 billion a month. 6 billion more than what we wanted to pay.
But for an alliance to survive it needs 0.0. Only place left to turn to was goons. lo and behold they extended an olive branch. We looked at it and wrote up a list of requirements for us to accept such a deal.
They gave us every single one.
Bob, you cannot beat that deal, you refuse to.
But i am getting beyond myself here. this has been epic in so many ways. More than any of us expected. The public support has been surprisingly overwhelming in and out of coad.
So thanks to all friends and enemies alike, this is gunna be hella fun.
This is a pretty interesting post in that it more or less confirms BoB's story. The Goons bought you out, and your price for switching sides was 6 bil a month. I have complete understanding for looking after your own alliance first, but this thread has all been about trying to lay the blame on BoB. The fact is that you turned away from your long term allies because of 6 bil a month.
Note that you don't know what it will cost you to live in Goon territory in the long run.
I always liked M.Pire, and I thought you did a great job holding us off in the north, but this turncoat deal as tarnished you. Of course the coalition will jump on this, claiming you're not turncoats and that you have "seen the light", but as you yourself have admitted here, you turned on your allies because of isk. Well done.
Huh? The price for switching sides is 6bn? Interesting reading comprehension.
The way I read it, MPire didn't ask for 6bn nor did Goons offer it. It was BoB demanding 6bn isk for 'friendship', whatever the **** that means in their twisted little world. What kind of friend is it if they charge you 6bn a month? ------------------------------------------------
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Mele
STK Scientific M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.11 12:12:00 -
[644]
well kracka, there's social drinking, there's 'national pastime' drinking (aka revera last night ) and then there's stagnight drinking .
btw you still need to post the pics and vids of said stagnight. It might help me to 'lose' the recording of your post stagnight TS musings.
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Nlewis
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.11 12:14:00 -
[645]
Originally by: zilllii
Originally by: Malachon Draco
Originally by: marakor Edited by: marakor on 11/10/2007 11:35:45
Originally by: Gungankllr Edited by: Gungankllr on 11/10/2007 11:32:02 I can confirm that last week prior to all this I turned down a Goon offer based on us wanting to remain loyal to BoB.
Too bad they didn't feel that we were worthy allies.
Your not.
It's 'you're'
actually it is "you are"
holy ****
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Velios
M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.11 12:16:00 -
[646]
Posted again because Maximillian and Marakor seem to think that we were actually looking to rent some space...
The ISK sums being mentioned here are totally irrelevant.
MPIRE had ZERO interest on being occupiers of any BoB land, we left our fight in the North in tact and willing to pour our considerable player base directly into the front lines to help MC fight the fight.
The fact is that BoB have clearly gate-crashed an MC party in FAT, and then proceeded to claim 100% the credit in that absolutely ridiculous Molle proclamation. BoB (former ATUK mostly) then think so little of us as to prefer creating wallet-busting rental deals (wtf) before considering the real reason we were in FAT - just to fight the fight.
Did it make you feel empowered to put the squeeze on us that night, did you get a hard-on?
Damage was done that evening, MPIRE DO have standards, and we are frankly not amused.
I now see great opportunities for the future of EVE now we have made this choice, it's like somebody flicked a light switch.
Allies join "MPIRE LOBBY" to initiate battle plans.
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And to add to that, our diplo guys are today hard at work trying to find a battle plan what ticks all of our boxes. (see below)
ò Will what we do have an impact on BoB? ò Will we need to be part of a huge blob do achieve it? ò Who is best to work with to make the plan a reality?
Thats what we are looking at now, we have moved beyond the initial (yet amusing) drama bomb phase, the real work starts today.
M.Corp Capital Blueprint Facility |
Maximillian Bayonette
Baleful Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.10.11 12:16:00 -
[647]
Originally by: Malachon Draco Huh? The price for switching sides is 6bn? Interesting reading comprehension.
The way I read it, MPire didn't ask for 6bn nor did Goons offer it. It was BoB demanding 6bn isk for 'friendship', whatever the **** that means in their twisted little world. What kind of friend is it if they charge you 6bn a month?
I'd say it is your reading comprehension that is lacking, particularly the "reading between the lines" part. What you are saying is that BoB wanted M.Pire to pay 6 bil a month to stay friends, but that is blatantly untrue. BoB offered a rent deal for a constellation for 6 bil a month. M.Pire could have accepted the deal and inhabit nice space behind the lines. They could have declined the deal and continued to fight, and perhaps get to carve out some space for themselves, maybe even their old LV space. They could have declined the deal and claimed neutrality in lieu of low income due to lack of space. What they chose is instead to ally themselves with their old enemies and turn on all of their friends.
I would have hoped you would have at least understood the "price" part of my post, but I will clear it up for you. BoB wanted 6 bil for a constellation. M.Pire said "No and just for that we're joining Goons". Thus the price for joining Goons was 6 bil.
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Nlewis
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.11 12:24:00 -
[648]
Originally by: Maximillian Bayonette
Originally by: Malachon Draco BoB wanted 6 bil for a constellation. M.Pire said "No and just for that we're joining Goons". Thus the price for joining Goons was 6 bil.
how so? wouldn't it be "the savings for joining Goons was 6 bil"
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marakor
Gallente Anti Lag Forum Smackers
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Posted - 2007.10.11 12:24:00 -
[649]
Originally by: Maximillian Bayonette
I would have hoped you would have at least understood the "price" part of my post, but I will clear it up for you. BoB wanted 6 bil for a constellation. M.Pire said "No and just for that we're joining Goons". Thus the price for joining Goons was 6 bil.
I think you should change the word "price" for the word "excuse" tbh.
The opinions that i give are the opinions of my corp although my alts opinions may differ as this is my forum smack alt. |
Maximillian Bayonette
Baleful Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.10.11 12:24:00 -
[650]
Originally by: Velios Posted again because Maximillian and Marakor seem to think that we were actually looking to rent some space...
The ISK sums being mentioned here are totally irrelevant.
MPIRE had ZERO interest on being occupiers of any BoB land, we left our fight in the North in tact and willing to pour our considerable player base directly into the front lines to help MC fight the fight.
The fact is that BoB have clearly gate-crashed an MC party in FAT, and then proceeded to claim 100% the credit in that absolutely ridiculous Molle proclamation. BoB (former ATUK mostly) then think so little of us as to prefer creating wallet-busting rental deals (wtf) before considering the real reason we were in FAT - just to fight the fight.
Did it make you feel empowered to put the squeeze on us that night, did you get a hard-on?
Damage was done that evening, MPIRE DO have standards, and we are frankly not amused.
I now see great opportunities for the future of EVE now we have made this choice, it's like somebody flicked a light switch.
Allies join "MPIRE LOBBY" to initiate battle plans.
-----
And to add to that, our diplo guys are today hard at work trying to find a battle plan what ticks all of our boxes. (see below)
ò Will what we do have an impact on BoB? ò Will we need to be part of a huge blob do achieve it? ò Who is best to work with to make the plan a reality?
Thats what we are looking at now, we have moved beyond the initial (yet amusing) drama bomb phase, the real work starts today.
If you have no interest in renting space, why not just say "No, we're just going to fight if that's alright"? Are you going turncoat because Molle made a post about the FAT fight that you didn't like? Is it because you had to wait for BoB to sort out docking rights? Is it because you got told off for having your alliance members in BoB space ratting when they where not supposed to?
My point here is that it is quite obvious that you never where an ally of the GBC in the first place. You where fairwheather friends, and when the going got tough, you switched sides. You used any excuse you could find to justify it, and you will now be shooting people who up until yesterday considered you good friends. Even more than that, you will be siding with the Goons which you, as far as can be gathered, have considered enemies for a long time.
Finally, you create this thread to cast a lot of crap at BoB when it is YOU who are the turncoats. You blame them for letting you down as friends when it is YOU who are turning against all your friends, including those that gave you the space you occupied.
I mean, I really don't like taking BoB's side, but you have got to be some of the lousiest friends in Eve history, and I really hope when this war is over that this action won't be forgotten.
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Temerlyn
Minmatar STK Scientific M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.11 12:26:00 -
[651]
lo and behold we must read between the lines.
Then how about if we take that deal we are considered inferior in the eyes of bob and thus treated as such.
That we may get our own space if you fight for it but thats if we let you have it.
Then that space is no longer on the front lines now Cha ching, 6 bil a month thanks.
Here have this lovely spot of 0.0 in catch where ever enemy can attack you from all sides, but hey you got some free 0.0 now. But no you cant have the areas that actually matter cause we use those.
so whats my feelings towards the shaft we will get from Goons.
At most they use the complex in the areas we have, some how doubt they would care now they are non static.
Your home system is being attacked, buckle up snappy our MC's give the orders.
I wouldn't mind seeing what other things i might be missing for surly i am miss informed.
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Kagura Nikon
Minmatar MASS HOMICIDE Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.10.11 12:30:00 -
[652]
Originally by: Maximillian Bayonette
Originally by: Velios Posted again because Maximillian and Marakor seem to think that we were actually looking to rent some space...
The ISK sums being mentioned here are totally irrelevant.
MPIRE had ZERO interest on being occupiers of any BoB land, we left our fight in the North in tact and willing to pour our considerable player base directly into the front lines to help MC fight the fight.
The fact is that BoB have clearly gate-crashed an MC party in FAT, and then proceeded to claim 100% the credit in that absolutely ridiculous Molle proclamation. BoB (former ATUK mostly) then think so little of us as to prefer creating wallet-busting rental deals (wtf) before considering the real reason we were in FAT - just to fight the fight.
Did it make you feel empowered to put the squeeze on us that night, did you get a hard-on?
Damage was done that evening, MPIRE DO have standards, and we are frankly not amused.
I now see great opportunities for the future of EVE now we have made this choice, it's like somebody flicked a light switch.
Allies join "MPIRE LOBBY" to initiate battle plans.
-----
And to add to that, our diplo guys are today hard at work trying to find a battle plan what ticks all of our boxes. (see below)
ò Will what we do have an impact on BoB? ò Will we need to be part of a huge blob do achieve it? ò Who is best to work with to make the plan a reality?
Thats what we are looking at now, we have moved beyond the initial (yet amusing) drama bomb phase, the real work starts today.
If you have no interest in renting space, why not just say "No, we're just going to fight if that's alright"? Are you going turncoat because Molle made a post about the FAT fight that you didn't like? Is it because you had to wait for BoB to sort out docking rights? Is it because you got told off for having your alliance members in BoB space ratting when they where not supposed to?
My point here is that it is quite obvious that you never where an ally of the GBC in the first place. You where fairwheather friends, and when the going got tough, you switched sides. You used any excuse you could find to justify it, and you will now be shooting people who up until yesterday considered you good friends. Even more than that, you will be siding with the Goons which you, as far as can be gathered, have considered enemies for a long time.
Finally, you create this thread to cast a lot of crap at BoB when it is YOU who are the turncoats. You blame them for letting you down as friends when it is YOU who are turning against all your friends, including those that gave you the space you occupied.
I mean, I really don't like taking BoB's side, but you have got to be some of the lousiest friends in Eve history, and I really hope when this war is over that this action won't be forgotten.
Nope.. simple in fact. They were disrespected , got offended and have taken an attitude about it. That means they honor themselves, they have self steeme and du not accept to be treated as sub humans.
You cannot treat people like dogs and expect them to not rebel one day.
If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough |
Egne Ver
Caldari The Reckoning
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Posted - 2007.10.11 12:30:00 -
[653]
Originally by: Maximillian Bayonette
Originally by: Malachon Draco Huh? The price for switching sides is 6bn? Interesting reading comprehension.
The way I read it, MPire didn't ask for 6bn nor did Goons offer it. It was BoB demanding 6bn isk for 'friendship', whatever the **** that means in their twisted little world. What kind of friend is it if they charge you 6bn a month?
I'd say it is your reading comprehension that is lacking, particularly the "reading between the lines" part. What you are saying is that BoB wanted M.Pire to pay 6 bil a month to stay friends, but that is blatantly untrue. BoB offered a rent deal for a constellation for 6 bil a month. M.Pire could have accepted the deal and inhabit nice space behind the lines. They could have declined the deal and continued to fight, and perhaps get to carve out some space for themselves, maybe even their old LV space. They could have declined the deal and claimed neutrality in lieu of low income due to lack of space. What they chose is instead to ally themselves with their old enemies and turn on all of their friends.
I would have hoped you would have at least understood the "price" part of my post, but I will clear it up for you. BoB wanted 6 bil for a constellation. M.Pire said "No and just for that we're joining Goons". Thus the price for joining Goons was 6 bil.
Are you really that daft? They were locked out of the stations after fighting on the front line against IAAAC. "reading between the lines" does not mean make **** up and pick what you want to understand.
Originally by: CCP kieron If you feel we as an entity are corrupt and abhorrent, we bid you good luck in finding a game and company that suits your interests.
i.e. If you dont like it quit |
H3ndrix
Dragons Of Redemption Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.10.11 12:34:00 -
[654]
Respect to M.Pire
oh and
Originally by: Vasili Z Edited by: Vasili Z on 11/10/2007 02:35:35 On second thought... cowards.
Rich coming from youwhat isnt it
I used to have a Sig but CCP Nerfed it !!!! It wasn't Nerfed, it was moderationally enhanced. -Darth Patches |
Maximillian Bayonette
Baleful Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.10.11 12:35:00 -
[655]
Originally by: Temerlyn lo and behold we must read between the lines.
Then how about if we take that deal we are considered inferior in the eyes of bob and thus treated as such.
That we may get our own space if you fight for it but thats if we let you have it.
Then that space is no longer on the front lines now Cha ching, 6 bil a month thanks.
Here have this lovely spot of 0.0 in catch where ever enemy can attack you from all sides, but hey you got some free 0.0 now. But no you cant have the areas that actually matter cause we use those.
so whats my feelings towards the shaft we will get from Goons.
At most they use the complex in the areas we have, some how doubt they would care now they are non static.
Your home system is being attacked, buckle up snappy our MC's give the orders.
I wouldn't mind seeing what other things i might be missing for surly i am miss informed.
You feel like you are being treated as inferiors by BoB, and that is the real issue here? Didn't you feel like inferiors when you where given space up in the north? Why didn't you switch sides then?
I can fully understand not wanting to take orders from anyone but yourself, but then don't come out with a lot of excuses when you turn on your friends. Just say it like it is:
"We, M.Pire, look upon ourselves as a sovereign alliance, and refuse to take orders from anyone but ourselves. We do not want space in BoB's backyard, and we don't really care about our friends on the frontline enough to stand and fight with them. We are instead looking for space in the Goons backyard, because we are tired of being called pets, and we won't get called that if we are pets to the Goons. Oh, and it doesn't cost as much either. Yet.
**** you BoB, and **** you MC even if you gave us space before. **** you all in the GBC because we're joining the side that are doing well right now. Maybe we'll be back later, but in the mean time, **** you all.
Signed
M.Pire."
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Silvestri
Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.10.11 12:36:00 -
[656]
gratz guys....at least you didn't take it like Rise did....good for you!! respect.
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Bacci Galu
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2007.10.11 12:37:00 -
[657]
Man with all this ping pong we should set each other to red, kill each other, let god sort it out....
Still hate goons.. never like stk since ascn...
but respect for standing up to a crappy deal... even if there was an npc kill here, roid dead there..
/Signed
Maker of thy sig
Yes i do make sigs, banners, corp logo's ect... |
Malachon Draco
eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.10.11 12:38:00 -
[658]
Originally by: Maximillian Bayonette
Originally by: Malachon Draco Huh? The price for switching sides is 6bn? Interesting reading comprehension.
The way I read it, MPire didn't ask for 6bn nor did Goons offer it. It was BoB demanding 6bn isk for 'friendship', whatever the **** that means in their twisted little world. What kind of friend is it if they charge you 6bn a month?
I'd say it is your reading comprehension that is lacking, particularly the "reading between the lines" part. What you are saying is that BoB wanted M.Pire to pay 6 bil a month to stay friends, but that is blatantly untrue. BoB offered a rent deal for a constellation for 6 bil a month. M.Pire could have accepted the deal and inhabit nice space behind the lines. They could have declined the deal and continued to fight, and perhaps get to carve out some space for themselves, maybe even their old LV space. They could have declined the deal and claimed neutrality in lieu of low income due to lack of space. What they chose is instead to ally themselves with their old enemies and turn on all of their friends.
I would have hoped you would have at least understood the "price" part of my post, but I will clear it up for you. BoB wanted 6 bil for a constellation. M.Pire said "No and just for that we're joining Goons". Thus the price for joining Goons was 6 bil.
You make no sense. There was no deal therefore there was no price. You're implying that if BoB had demanded 1bn and MPire would have turned it down, they would be even greater sellouts because they 'sold out for just 1bn'? What I see is BoB insulting MPire to the core by that 6bn offer.
What you BoB-alts continue to fail to see is that this whole renting **** is what is going to kill you. Aside from the MC I guess, there is noone on your own side you respect, except if they continue to be good little boys and pay you. That is what is biting you in the ass and you still don't seem to grasp it.
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Maximillian Bayonette
Baleful Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.10.11 12:41:00 -
[659]
Originally by: Malachon Draco
You make no sense. There was no deal therefore there was no price. You're implying that if BoB had demanded 1bn and MPire would have turned it down, they would be even greater sellouts because they 'sold out for just 1bn'? What I see is BoB insulting MPire to the core by that 6bn offer.
Look, if you don't get it, you don't get it. I won't waste any more time trying to explain it to you. Suffice to say, M.Pire sold out. They are turncoats.
Originally by: Malachon Draco
What you BoB-alts continue to fail to see is that this whole renting **** is what is going to kill you. Aside from the MC I guess, there is noone on your own side you respect, except if they continue to be good little boys and pay you. That is what is biting you in the ass and you still don't seem to grasp it.
I hope you're not calling me a BoB alt. I would check employment history before making such claims.
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Arl
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.11 12:42:00 -
[660]
One thing I'm not clear on.
If MC lose their space, will BoB charge MC 6 billion a month to relocate to another region and continue fighting for BoB?
From the BoB alts so far, the answer appears to be, yes.
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Mary Anne
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Posted - 2007.10.11 12:42:00 -
[661]
Ahhhhh again it made my day...
1. M.Pire leaves -V- alone when they could not wave the biggest e-peen anymore 2. M.Pire succumbs to the irressitble pressure of 8 hours siege on one station of theirs without loosing real assetts 3. M.Pire diplomats suck so badly, that they can not even communicate properly (anyone remember the 6 bill deal tickering through days ago?) 4. M.Pire rummages through the old rotten chest (with the writing spine on it) and found? A piece of cake. 5. And.... by pure coincedence suddenly the mother of all smack-talking kids (goons) stands up and contacts M.Pire offering a helping hand...
E-peen waving turncoats without a spine, who did not win a single campaign in the past year becoming traitors to their kin.
Or does anyone really believe the "BoB or my diplomats suck" thing? Anyways now or soon (tm): What belongs together will be together. Let me do the math...
(Epeen + turncoat)*(battle looser specialization lvl 5)^(backstabbing specialization lvl 5) = Goon pet
Sounds reasonable to me.
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Xeseldddim
Amarr CoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.11 12:43:00 -
[662]
it'a so cool to have the inside scoop
anyhow welcome to te fun side and please try not to be the garbage you have been so far in eve. Remember if bob reinforce some towers it's not "Mpire time" a.k.a. WHERS THE WHITE FLAG!! it's part of the fight.
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Gummi75
M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.11 12:43:00 -
[663]
signed
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marakor
Gallente Anti Lag Forum Smackers
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Posted - 2007.10.11 12:44:00 -
[664]
Originally by: Malachon Draco
Originally by: Maximillian Bayonette
Originally by: Malachon Draco Huh? The price for switching sides is 6bn? Interesting reading comprehension.
The way I read it, MPire didn't ask for 6bn nor did Goons offer it. It was BoB demanding 6bn isk for 'friendship', whatever the **** that means in their twisted little world. What kind of friend is it if they charge you 6bn a month?
I'd say it is your reading comprehension that is lacking, particularly the "reading between the lines" part. What you are saying is that BoB wanted M.Pire to pay 6 bil a month to stay friends, but that is blatantly untrue. BoB offered a rent deal for a constellation for 6 bil a month. M.Pire could have accepted the deal and inhabit nice space behind the lines. They could have declined the deal and continued to fight, and perhaps get to carve out some space for themselves, maybe even their old LV space. They could have declined the deal and claimed neutrality in lieu of low income due to lack of space. What they chose is instead to ally themselves with their old enemies and turn on all of their friends.
I would have hoped you would have at least understood the "price" part of my post, but I will clear it up for you. BoB wanted 6 bil for a constellation. M.Pire said "No and just for that we're joining Goons". Thus the price for joining Goons was 6 bil.
You make no sense. There was no deal therefore there was no price. You're implying that if BoB had demanded 1bn and MPire would have turned it down, they would be even greater sellouts because they 'sold out for just 1bn'? What I see is BoB insulting MPire to the core by that 6bn offer.
What you BoB-alts continue to fail to see is that this whole renting **** is what is going to kill you. Aside from the MC I guess, there is noone on your own side you respect, except if they continue to be good little boys and pay you. That is what is biting you in the ass and you still don't seem to grasp it.
And what "ass hats" as you call ppl like you fail to see is that renegotiating a deal for space or saying no and looking for other alternatives is a lot differant than joining goonswarm and becoming part of the blob literaly over night (or at least we are supposed to believe this happened that quickly).
But then you did that a long time ago so i suppose you would defend other doing the same. LOL and you plus others slagged others of for "hiding behind mc" or "riding their coat tails" while you now praise and agree with the guys from mpire you were shooting at only a few days ago in a war that had shag all to do with you or your alliance.
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mamolian
M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.11 12:48:00 -
[665]
Originally by: Maximillian Bayonette
"We, M.Pire, look upon ourselves as a sovereign alliance, and refuse to take orders from anyone but ourselves. We do not want space in BoB's backyard, and we don't really care about our friends on the frontline enough to stand and fight with them. We are instead looking for space in the Goons backyard, because we are tired of being called pets, and we won't get called that if we are pets to the Goons. Oh, and it doesn't cost as much either. Yet.
**** you BoB, and **** you MC even if you gave us space before. **** you all in the GBC because we're joining the side that are doing well right now. Maybe we'll be back later, but in the mean time, **** you all.
Signed
M.Pire."
"We, M.Pire, look upon ourselves as a sovereign alliance, are saddened by you're (Band of Brothers) recent high level diplomatic actions. We find your original offer of 6 billion isk per corp per month to be concocted purely to insult our sensibilities, We did not want space in BoB's backyard, and simply wanted to be on the frontline alongside our friends to stand and fight with them. We are instead entertaining offers from entities outside the GBC because we are tired of being called allies, yet being treated like common criminals. Early diplomatic communique from Goonswarm/TCF/RA/IAC/AA are interesting to say the least, which is surprisingly refreshing, considering past animosity. Oh, and it seems their friendship doesn't cost as much either. Whether that changes remains to be seen :)
In closing, Shame on you BoB, we'll miss flying with you MC we'll never forget your help securing Branch. Who knows what the future holds for this small galaxy,
Fly safe and see you ingame.
Signed
M.Pire."
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Nlewis
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.11 12:49:00 -
[666]
bob is pretty bitter about this one
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w0rmy
M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.11 12:49:00 -
[667]
All this for little old us
Originally by: CCP Oveur I'm very sorry w0rmy, I beg your forgiveness.
Originally by: Dianabolic I was never sworn to secrecy, w0rmy, sorry to dissappoint you.
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Shadilika
Gallente M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.11 12:50:00 -
[668]
--==signed==-- i show my (_/_) to bob so they can like it
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Temerlyn
Minmatar STK Scientific M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.11 12:51:00 -
[669]
First and foremost i am enjoying this sport atm :p
Originally by: Maximillian Bayonette
You feel like you are being treated as inferiors by BoB, and that is the real issue here? Didn't you feel like inferiors when you where given space up in the north? Why didn't you switch sides then?
I can fully understand not wanting to take orders from anyone but yourself, but then don't come out with a lot of excuses when you turn on your friends. Just say it like it is:
"We, M.Pire, look upon ourselves as a sovereign alliance, and refuse to take orders from anyone but ourselves. We do not want space in BoB's backyard, and we don't really care about our friends on the frontline enough to stand and fight with them. We are instead looking for space in the Goons backyard, because we are tired of being called pets, and we won't get called that if we are pets to the Goons. Oh, and it doesn't cost as much either. Yet.
**** you BoB, and **** you MC even if you gave us space before. **** you all in the GBC because we're joining the side that are doing well right now. Maybe we'll be back later, but in the mean time, **** you all.
Signed
M.Pire."
we never considered changing sides till we were treated like ****.
We never considered, even after that, about joining goons.
But the offer was far better than anything bob was going to throw our way now or ever.
Friends, as you put it, don't charge you 50 bucks a night for a sleep over. 6 bill a month states your pets, not friends, not equals, nothing.
Thing is Goons do not want to take over 0.0, they just want bob dead. That to me says, your space is yours you can **** in the corners and have jelly fights on the ice planets of your core systems if you want to. Just kill bob.
I can probably guarantee that if we decided to leave the goon side of things in the future they may even respect us for it, accept it, shake our hands and set us red. Then more after that happily accept us back into there fold because overall our decisions are based on the players in our alliance/corp.
Some goonies may even read into this and not trust us much with my talk of side swapping when we feel like it.
This has been the hardest decision we have had to make as STK alone before we could even consider bringing it up with mpire (Correct spelling :P )
So if we had to leave the side of the goons it probably would be a real extreme circumstance for it to happen. Up there for that is being treated like ****.
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Jakus Cemendur
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.10.11 12:52:00 -
[670]
Forgive my noobness when it comes to alliances and wars in 0.0, but from an outsiders prespective here is what i get:
M.PIRE have been fighting in the North against superior numbers, and were slowly losing.
They then relocated to the South moving all their assets to help BoB, and help fight in FAT.
However, BoB said they could have a Constellation at the 6 billion fee they apparently charge others. Plus BoB lock out M.PIRE from stations after M.PIRE gangs had been fighting in FAT or against enemies(at least this is what i get from some of the timelines posted for events).
M.PIRE, not interested in a Constellation, and wanting to be able to dock at stations to be able to fight on the frontline, and be able to fund their war by mining/ratting, get anoyed seeing as they've moved to the South specifically to fight for BoB, and so decide to say "F u" to BoB.
Is that a correct assessment or am i missing something?
If it is correct i'd agree with what M.PIRE did.
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Kryztal
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.10.11 12:53:00 -
[671]
LoL this thread is still going ?
Its really just history repeating itself with STK and the rest :P
Move on, we are.
- for the MOTHERLAND! -
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Mary Anne
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Posted - 2007.10.11 12:55:00 -
[672]
Originally by: Temerlyn We never considered, even after that, about joining goons.
Which alliance wants battle loosers and turncoats anyway?
Ohhh wait there are goons...
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Sentinel Eeex
Caldari DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.11 12:55:00 -
[673]
Busy today, but quick search of eve-o brought me some laughs.
Originally by: CLEISTHENES2
Sorry i consider RISE an equal and a Friend and so does the rest of BoB, so do not come here and assume you know everything. This is a thread for BoB rental programme not for your bitter crap, take it elsewhere.
Seems BoB have considered M.PIRE as "equal and a friend" too?
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Alice Cholmondeley
I Am Legend
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Posted - 2007.10.11 12:55:00 -
[674]
Originally by: Nlewis bob is pretty bitter about this one
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Temerlyn
Minmatar STK Scientific M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.11 12:57:00 -
[675]
Originally by: Mary Anne
Originally by: Temerlyn We never considered, even after that, about joining goons.
Which alliance wants battle loosers and turncoats anyway?
Ohhh wait there are goons...
This made me laugh.
This sentence states that you fight till you have nothing left and die miserably and quit eve cause otherwise your a turncoat.
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Lee Bian
Amarryan Nations GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.11 12:57:00 -
[676]
Originally by: Kryztal LoL this thread is still going ?
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Fantasticles
Northern Exposure
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Posted - 2007.10.11 12:58:00 -
[677]
Originally by: Arl One thing I'm not clear on.
If MC lose their space, will BoB charge MC 6 billion a month to relocate to another region and continue fighting for BoB?
From the BoB alts so far, the answer appears to be, yes.
TBH, I'd suggest that MC start charging BoB for space
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Faekurias
Federation Fleet Endless Horizon
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Posted - 2007.10.11 13:00:00 -
[678]
That sounded offensive , they want 6bil for you to help them? lol. Anyways, this should be the drop that makes the southwest crumble :D
MY SIG FTW! \o/ |
Mary Anne
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Posted - 2007.10.11 13:00:00 -
[679]
Originally by: Temerlyn
Originally by: Mary Anne This made me laugh.
This sentence states that you fight till you have nothing left and die miserably and quit eve cause otherwise your a turncoat.
I fail to see where you lost anything, which forced you to leave -V-, surrender and so on and so on....
M.Pire = break before loose without even trying...
C'mon dont be bitter - you will be with the goon Blob fighting 10:1 odds. You are where you belong to.
Why not just say: finally?
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sophisticatedlimabean
Gallente The JORG Corporation Methods of Mayhem Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.11 13:02:00 -
[680]
Originally by: Temerlyn
we never considered changing sides till we were treated like ****.
We never considered, even after that, about joining goons.
But the offer was far better than anything bob was going to throw our way now or ever.
Perhaps if you considered the fact that you could have official cut all ties with BOB or at least tried a diplomatic answer to the problem instead of screaming about BOB's "demand for rent" and running into the arms of goon.
All these excuses you are banging on about just show you to be a bunch of excuse making losers who want to be on the winning side (at the moment) and in safe space where you can just coast on with whatever you do.
You and a lot of the northern coalition could of said officialy that you were cutting ties with BOB on this or another forum and forged your own destiny but instead you cry like babies about one single option BOB offered you in the almost infinite options that is EVE and run all the way to GOON space.
I doubt anybody will forget STK/MPIRE after this day and i doubt you will be ever welcome by any others apart from the blob that is goon.
My views may represent those of my corp/alliance but you will have to ask em to be sure. |
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Egne Ver
Caldari The Reckoning
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Posted - 2007.10.11 13:03:00 -
[681]
Originally by: Maximillian Bayonette more useless crap
Just checked, youÆre a alt in a one man alt corp. you are completely irrelevant so responding to your attempts to save BOB face is a complete waste of time. If you feel you are correct feel free to post with your main. If youÆre not a BOB alt, have a small percent of the self respect that M.Pire does and stop being a coward hiding behind an alt. The BOB alt brigade is out in full swing here, guess this let some air out of their overinflated heads. IÆm amazed at the number of alts posting about having a spine.
Originally by: CCP kieron If you feel we as an entity are corrupt and abhorrent, we bid you good luck in finding a game and company that suits your interests.
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Vyres
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.11 13:06:00 -
[682]
Edited by: Vyres on 11/10/2007 13:07:05
Quote:
I doubt anybody will forget STK/MPIRE after this day and i doubt you will be ever welcome by any others apart from the blob that is goon.[/u]
Yeah who would ever want to ally with the largest alliance in eve who is currently plowing through feyabolis.
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Velios
M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.11 13:07:00 -
[683]
underlining text just makes it harder to read |
Alice Cholmondeley
I Am Legend
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Posted - 2007.10.11 13:07:00 -
[684]
Originally by: w0rmy
Hush you, your dribblespin is no longer effective!
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Myz Toyou
Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.10.11 13:08:00 -
[685]
Originally by: Kryztal LoL this thread is still going ?
Its really just history repeating itself with STK and the rest :P
Move on, we are.
It only goes on cos your Alliance m8s alts keeps it warm and fuzzy Kryztal , maybe time to let the BOB grunts post again ( in dmg control mode ), they maybe not as intelligent and educated like you ppl from BOB HC but it wouldnt be that moronic as it is when they post with the alts like Alice C. !
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Maximillian Bayonette
Baleful Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.10.11 13:08:00 -
[686]
Originally by: Egne Ver Just checked, youÆre a alt in a one man alt corp. you are completely irrelevant so responding to your attempts to save BOB face is a complete waste of time. If you feel you are correct feel free to post with your main. If youÆre not a BOB alt, have a small percent of the self respect that M.Pire does and stop being a coward hiding behind an alt. The BOB alt brigade is out in full swing here, guess this let some air out of their overinflated heads. IÆm amazed at the number of alts posting about having a spine.
I am in a one man corp, but that does not make me an alt. I recently left Morsus Mihi, which you would have seen if you had looked past the corp I am in right now. If all you are looking to do is insult me or try to diminish my opinions, I ask you kindly to STFU and go brown nose your Goon friends. If you care to partake in a mature discussion, feel free to retort to my posts in an intelligent manner. Up to you.
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Mary Anne
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Posted - 2007.10.11 13:08:00 -
[687]
Originally by: Vyres
Quote:
I doubt anybody will forget STK/MPIRE after this day and i doubt you will be ever welcome by any others apart from the blob that is goon.[/u]
Yeah only the goons screw them bunch of loser.
Make or break. M.Pire has proven they can screw blues over and over. They got potential.
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Rhaegor Stormborn
Pestilent Industries Amalgamated
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Posted - 2007.10.11 13:10:00 -
[688]
Respect to M.Pire.
It is pretty selfish and rude of BoB to expect their loyal long-term allies to pay them rent right after they have lost their space and are looking for a place to rebuild temporarily. Downright shameful.
If I were still in RISE I would be pushing really hard for a change in policy towards BoB. I know RISE thinks of themselves as honorable, but BoB is not going to treat you with honor nor respect when you come asking to move to Delve in a couple months. I hope you guys are not still paying rent for RHG-40 when you don't even get to use it.
Rhaegor Stormborn Fleet Admiral - Pestilent Industries Amalgamated [PIA] Recruitment Thread |
dralid maximus
M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.11 13:12:00 -
[689]
Originally by: Mary Anne
Originally by: Vyres
Quote:
I doubt anybody will forget STK/MPIRE after this day and i doubt you will be ever welcome by any others apart from the blob that is goon.[/u]
Yeah only the goons screw them bunch of loser.
Make or break. BoB has proven they can screw blues over and over. They got potential.
Fixed it for you. BoB, you screwed one alliance too many, now you die
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sophisticatedlimabean
Gallente The JORG Corporation Methods of Mayhem Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.11 13:14:00 -
[690]
Edited by: sophisticatedlimabean on 11/10/2007 13:17:58 Edited by: sophisticatedlimabean on 11/10/2007 13:15:39
Originally by: Vyres Edited by: Vyres on 11/10/2007 13:07:05
Quote:
I doubt anybody will forget STK/MPIRE after this day and i doubt you will be ever welcome by any others apart from the blob that is goon.[/u]
Yeah who would ever want to ally with the largest alliance in eve who is currently plowing through feyabolis.
ppl who dont have the courage to make there own way in eve tbqh bud cos if your winning and have such a large followin only sheep and cowards would want/need to join you.
Originally by: Velios
Oh, and we won't be going to "Goon Space" we are going straight to the front lines.
...and after all the complete rubbish you have spouted in the last month "bean / marakor / whatever", you are in no position to talk about being wanted, your "rep" died a permanent death before it was even born.
The worse ppl like you feel about me the better i feel about myself and those around me after today goon *****.
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Darc Kaahar
The Scope
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Posted - 2007.10.11 13:14:00 -
[691]
Originally by: Kryztal LoL this thread is still going ?
Its really just history repeating itself with STK and the rest :P
Move on, we are.
For the love of christ stop posting, you are a complete ******. When will you realise this? Please go DIAF.
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Mary Anne
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Posted - 2007.10.11 13:16:00 -
[692]
Edited by: Mary Anne on 11/10/2007 13:16:57
Originally by: dralid maximus Fixed it for you. BoB, you screwed one alliance too many, now you die
Who will die? So far M.Pire only made their allies loose assetts or M.Prie screwed friendly alliances.
You guys got an impressive record down there.
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Asha Vividrin
Vividrin Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.10.11 13:16:00 -
[693]
Originally by: Mary Anne
Originally by: Vyres
Make or break. M.Pire has proven they can screw blues over and over. They got potential.
Maybe they should join YW - they have a similar reputation and then maybe TRI is getting some targets - after all they cry like babies for having more :D
~ Sigs are lame ~ |
Flashheart
Caldari Dangermouse Inc.
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Posted - 2007.10.11 13:20:00 -
[694]
I commend your decision to remain a sovereign Alliance, free from the shackles of servitude to an oppressive master.
Well played Sirs.
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Hydrogen
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Posted - 2007.10.11 13:21:00 -
[695]
Edited by: Hydrogen on 11/10/2007 13:21:16
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Tomcatt
Amarr STK Scientific M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.11 13:21:00 -
[696]
Fata Mea did a good job writing up the chronological order of events on SHC, I suggest people read it if they want to know our reasons.
After our treatment from BoB we're standing up on our own two feet and saying we're not going to take it. Does that mean we're joining Goon? No, we're still M.PIRE. We have had some serious offers come in and we are evaluating each one and will decide whats best for M.Pire, like Velios stated. If that means flying down to Feyth and shooting RISE, K-9 here I come. If it means opening a 2nd front somewhere else, then thats where you'll find us.
MC has our respect, that has never changed. BoB took over the situation and made it intolerable for us. We won't pay 42b, 6b or even 6m a month. We don't pay rent, ever.
For the troll saying we didn't consult our alliance, I guess you didn't read the 24 page thread on the STK Forums debating this very topic did you? Nah; we just sprung it on the guys by surprise.
Flame on, flame away, I could really care less. M.Pire has more respect from it's former enemies than it's former 'allies' - that says enough.
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Velios
M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.11 13:22:00 -
[697]
Originally by: Mary Anne Edited by: Mary Anne on 11/10/2007 13:16:57
Originally by: dralid maximus Fixed it for you. BoB, you screwed one alliance too many, now you die
Who will die? So far M.Pire only made their allies loose assetts or M.Prie screwed friendly alliances.
You guys got an impressive record down there.
Are you posting with an alt because one day when the dust settles you might want to explore other options with your main without having to eat humble pie?
Or is that your main is in BoB and so tarnished by association that anything you say is immediately discredited into oblivion anyway?
Don't you think it would be nice to live in an EVE world where you could post with your main?
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Temerlyn
Minmatar STK Scientific M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.11 13:22:00 -
[698]
We have been in this game longer than most of the eve population. Me especially.
We have survived incredible **** thrown at us and done to us that most corps would die from.
Even in making this decision we have gained more respect than lost, so much so, that our enemies accept us with open arms as allies.
We will never struggle for a home.
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Egne Ver
Caldari The Reckoning
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Posted - 2007.10.11 13:27:00 -
[699]
Originally by: Maximillian Bayonette
Originally by: Egne Ver Just checked, youÆre a alt in a one man alt corp. you are completely irrelevant so responding to your attempts to save BOB face is a complete waste of time. If you feel you are correct feel free to post with your main. If youÆre not a BOB alt, have a small percent of the self respect that M.Pire does and stop being a coward hiding behind an alt. The BOB alt brigade is out in full swing here, guess this let some air out of their overinflated heads. IÆm amazed at the number of alts posting about having a spine.
I am in a one man corp, but that does not make me an alt. I recently left Morsus Mihi, which you would have seen if you had looked past the corp I am in right now. If all you are looking to do is insult me or try to diminish my opinions, I ask you kindly to STFU and go brown nose your Goon friends. If you care to partake in a mature discussion, feel free to retort to my posts in an intelligent manner. Up to you.
When you make an intelligent post perhaps I will, until then drivel deserves drivel. I did look good at your history and you are still an alt most of your history is made up of alt corps. A few months in a real corp does not suddenly make you less an alt or tool.
Originally by: CCP kieron If you feel we as an entity are corrupt and abhorrent, we bid you good luck in finding a game and company that suits your interests.
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Malachon Draco
eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.10.11 13:27:00 -
[700]
Originally by: Tomcatt Fata Mea did a good job writing up the chronological order of events on SHC, I suggest people read it if they want to know our reasons.
After our treatment from BoB we're standing up on our own two feet and saying we're not going to take it. Does that mean we're joining Goon? No, we're still M.PIRE. We have had some serious offers come in and we are evaluating each one and will decide whats best for M.Pire, like Velios stated. If that means flying down to Feyth and shooting RISE, K-9 here I come. If it means opening a 2nd front somewhere else, then thats where you'll find us.
MC has our respect, that has never changed. BoB took over the situation and made it intolerable for us. We won't pay 42b, 6b or even 6m a month. We don't pay rent, ever.
For the troll saying we didn't consult our alliance, I guess you didn't read the 24 page thread on the STK Forums debating this very topic did you? Nah; we just sprung it on the guys by surprise.
Flame on, flame away, I could really care less. M.Pire has more respect from it's former enemies than it's former 'allies' - that says enough.
/me starts preparing map with a few markers for Tomcatt RISE live in RIT, not K-9 ------------------------------------------------
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Malachon Draco
eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.10.11 13:29:00 -
[701]
Originally by: marakor
Originally by: Malachon Draco
Originally by: Maximillian Bayonette
Originally by: Malachon Draco Huh? The price for switching sides is 6bn? Interesting reading comprehension.
The way I read it, MPire didn't ask for 6bn nor did Goons offer it. It was BoB demanding 6bn isk for 'friendship', whatever the **** that means in their twisted little world. What kind of friend is it if they charge you 6bn a month?
I'd say it is your reading comprehension that is lacking, particularly the "reading between the lines" part. What you are saying is that BoB wanted M.Pire to pay 6 bil a month to stay friends, but that is blatantly untrue. BoB offered a rent deal for a constellation for 6 bil a month. M.Pire could have accepted the deal and inhabit nice space behind the lines. They could have declined the deal and continued to fight, and perhaps get to carve out some space for themselves, maybe even their old LV space. They could have declined the deal and claimed neutrality in lieu of low income due to lack of space. What they chose is instead to ally themselves with their old enemies and turn on all of their friends.
I would have hoped you would have at least understood the "price" part of my post, but I will clear it up for you. BoB wanted 6 bil for a constellation. M.Pire said "No and just for that we're joining Goons". Thus the price for joining Goons was 6 bil.
You make no sense. There was no deal therefore there was no price. You're implying that if BoB had demanded 1bn and MPire would have turned it down, they would be even greater sellouts because they 'sold out for just 1bn'? What I see is BoB insulting MPire to the core by that 6bn offer.
What you BoB-alts continue to fail to see is that this whole renting **** is what is going to kill you. Aside from the MC I guess, there is noone on your own side you respect, except if they continue to be good little boys and pay you. That is what is biting you in the ass and you still don't seem to grasp it.
And what "ass hats" as you call ppl like you fail to see is that renegotiating a deal for space or saying no and looking for other alternatives is a lot differant than joining goonswarm and becoming part of the blob literaly over night (or at least we are supposed to believe this happened that quickly).
But then you did that a long time ago so i suppose you would defend other doing the same. LOL and you plus others slagged others of for "hiding behind mc" or "riding their coat tails" while you now praise and agree with the guys from mpire you were shooting at only a few days ago in a war that had shag all to do with you or your alliance.
Bitter much?
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Maximillian Bayonette
Baleful Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.10.11 13:31:00 -
[702]
Originally by: Egne Ver
When you make an intelligent post perhaps I will, until then drivel deserves drivel. I did look good at your history and you are still an alt most of your history is made up of alt corps. A few months in a real corp does not suddenly make you less an alt or tool.
I don't really have to defend myself against baseless accusations, but in order to stop you from derailing the subject - that of M.Pire's betrayal - I will explain my corp history to you. I first joined Ginnungagaps Rymdfarargille, which is a part of TRE alliance. I remained there until late last year. I then tried my hand at making a corp of my own, attracting just a few players to it, giving up and renaming the corp which I felt was part of the low attraction. Shortly thereafter a friend joined Oberon Inc, and I followed him there. However, Morsus Mihi are mainly a PvP alliance, and as such, I didn't feel I fitted, so I left, and am now back to trying to create a corp of my own. If you want to join, I am recruiting right now.
Now, are you going to continue spewing crap, or can we get on with the discussion?
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Velios
M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.11 13:32:00 -
[703]
oh god, pyramid-style quotations have started to emerge since marakor got involved. It will be one page per post soon.
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DT3
The Huns
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Posted - 2007.10.11 13:33:00 -
[704]
Edited by: DT3 on 11/10/2007 13:37:50 I resisted posting in this thread for quite a while now.
I have to add.
@Thol and Coranor BoB would screw anyone as long as it was in their interest. I can give you several examples if you like. Rise, Corm, (old)Xelas, Caldarians pride and many many more.I can clearly see how fighting MM/RZR + friends would have been healthy for M.Pire. You show no respect to anyone not even MC because respect would be thanking them for their efforts including those of M.Pire to help you keep your space.
BoB's pets are only safe until they are useful after that its goodbye.Pay and display or move along.
Atfer years of playing eve, being in BoB and being out of BoB. I can say they are a poor choice to have as an ally including for MC. Thank you Molle for your excellent post where you make no mention of any of your allies or the GBC.
So what if they ratted or mined in delve, most of BoB space is empty anyway.
Get over yourselves.
Go Go M.Pire. I think its time to take back your own stations.
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Egne Ver
Caldari The Reckoning
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Posted - 2007.10.11 13:34:00 -
[705]
Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean Edited by: sophisticatedlimabean on 11/10/2007 13:18:32 Edited by: sophisticatedlimabean on 11/10/2007 13:17:58 Edited by: sophisticatedlimabean on 11/10/2007 13:15:39
Originally by: Vyres Edited by: Vyres on 11/10/2007 13:07:05
Quote:
I doubt anybody will forget STK/MPIRE after this day and i doubt you will be ever welcome by any others apart from the blob that is goon.[/u]
Yeah who would ever want to ally with the largest alliance in eve who is currently plowing through feyabolis.
ppl who dont have the courage to make there own way in eve tbqh bud cos if your winning and have such a large followin only sheep and cowards would want/need to join you.
Originally by: Velios
Oh, and we won't be going to "Goon Space" we are going straight to the front lines.
...and after all the complete rubbish you have spouted in the last month "bean / marakor / whatever", you are in no position to talk about being wanted, your "rep" died a permanent death before it was even born.
The worse ppl like you feel about me the better i feel about myself and those around me after today goon b*tch.
Dude, pop Mollie's **** out of your mouth before you choke on it.
Originally by: CCP kieron If you feel we as an entity are corrupt and abhorrent, we bid you good luck in finding a game and company that suits your interests.
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Peek Aboo
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.10.11 13:35:00 -
[706]
Edited by: Peek Aboo on 11/10/2007 13:37:20
Originally by: dralid maximus BoB, you screwed one alliance too many, now you die
Quoted coz it's funny.
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Endaros
System-Lords Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.10.11 13:36:00 -
[707]
Major amounts of respect to M PIRE, I loved flying with you guys... It was always straight up fighting and no smacking or subterfuge, that's what I play this game for! Reading about BoB trying to charge you to help them just made me feel sorry for them...
I wish you the best of luck in your new endeavours, hopefully I'll see you all again some day...
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Goliath Scorpion
The Buggers
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Posted - 2007.10.11 13:39:00 -
[708]
Edited by: Goliath Scorpion on 11/10/2007 13:40:45 Turncoats, tired of getting your arses handed to you so you up n become bandwaggon'rs?
I truely hope you asshats get your ass's and more assets handed to you on a plate YET AGAIN.
Edit : And lol at all the cryaltion with the "/signed" "respect" "we love you velios" bull**** more asshats to add to your ever growning ranks.
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DT3
The Huns
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Posted - 2007.10.11 13:41:00 -
[709]
Edited by: DT3 on 11/10/2007 13:47:25
Originally by: Peek Aboo Edited by: Peek Aboo on 11/10/2007 13:37:20
Originally by: dralid maximus BoB, you screwed one alliance too many, now you die
Quoted coz it's funny.
Quoted because your alliance is a has been. You cant keep your space without the MC, making you pets... You are no longer at the top of the food chain.
I love being bitter and letting it all out! I personally have nothing against BoB members or their leadership just SOME bob leaders and their general attitude.
The funny thing is Molle didn't even ADMIT that he needed MC's help. He has FAILED as a leader like CYVOK did with ASCN. The BoB leadership has failed in "stealing chows targets". He should have said "we are stealing your members".
Someone should do a really long post about hwo BoB has failed like they did to ASCN every sunday (anyone from Goonswarm perhaps?)
Change your attitude boys.
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w0rmy
M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.11 13:42:00 -
[710]
Originally by: Goliath Scorpion
Edit : And lol at all the cryaltion with the "/signed" "respect" "we love you velios" bull**** more asshats to add to your ever growning ranks.
Nah, velios is an asshat!
Originally by: CCP Oveur I'm very sorry w0rmy, I beg your forgiveness.
Originally by: Dianabolic I was never sworn to secrecy, w0rmy, sorry to dissappoint you.
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marakor
Gallente Anti Lag Forum Smackers
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Posted - 2007.10.11 13:43:00 -
[711]
Originally by: Velios oh god, pyramid-style quotations have started to emerge since marakor got involved. It will be one page per post soon.
Actualy the realy big pyramid quoting normaly happens in the threads by goons and their *****es. So i suppose we should real start now hey
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Nadar
Minmatar hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.10.11 13:43:00 -
[712]
This is an interesting turn - you're now walking in the Light*
*I've read too much Wheel of Time ---
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Doppleganger
Minmatar Band of Builders Inc. Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.10.11 13:44:00 -
[713]
GL M.Pire
I only read the 1st 4 pages of this thread so I dont know what was said the other 21 pages of it. /shrug
Eve has more then 2 sides... I don't know why most ppl figure they have to be on one side or the other. Its getting as bad in Eve as the american political system.
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noitulos
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.10.11 13:44:00 -
[714]
Originally by: Nlewis bob is pretty bitter about this one
yea, I haven't seen this many bob alts posting in one thread in a long time. ______________________________________________ "Every battle is won or lost before it is ever fought." -Sun Tsu |
Airmaker
Umbra Congregatio
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Posted - 2007.10.11 13:45:00 -
[715]
I hadn;t realised that was how BoB operated, and basically all of the guys that fly beside them, pay to do so, and so BoB don't shoot them.
If they stop paying BoB shoots. Wonder what happens if a few of them wake up to this and stop paying.
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Gungankllr
Caldari STK Scientific M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.11 13:48:00 -
[716]
I think it is hilarious that 95% of the Eve public understands and agrees with our decision.
The other 5% are alts, and now generate 95% of the posts.
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Goliath Scorpion
The Buggers
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Posted - 2007.10.11 13:51:00 -
[717]
Edited by: Goliath Scorpion on 11/10/2007 13:51:46
Originally by: Gungankllr I think it is hilarious that 95% of the Eve public understands and agrees with our decision.
The other 5% are alts, and now generate 95% of the posts.
Get a clue, its 95% of the brainless bandwaggon'rs who frequent CAOD who agree with you NOT 95% of eve.
Im not involved in the war not on any side but you guys could of cut ties with bob and gone and done your own thing (like someone else said there are more then 2 SIDES in this game). Instead you become a part of the cryalition.
Good luck cause your gonna need it.
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Princess Jodi
Vendetta Underground Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.10.11 13:53:00 -
[718]
I'm glad you saw Bob for what it is, M.Pire. Hopefully your enlightenment will spread to others. Welcome to the Party!
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Sextus Licinius
Caldari Wreckless Abandon Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.10.11 13:53:00 -
[719]
I'm impressed, anyway maybe BoB forgot about a small fact, which is that MPIRE have an impressive capital force which is able to make a huge difference in the right hands. I think in time MPIRE will be righteously entitled to a considerable portion of ex-BoB space. BoB it looks to me like your cohones are feeding directly from your brain, no offence intended (yeah right).
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Hasan Rachid
Minmatar Madhatters Inc. M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.11 13:53:00 -
[720]
Originally by: Nadar This is an interesting turn - you're now walking in the Light*
*I've read too much Wheel of Time
RIP Robert Jordan
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Flinx Evenstar
Minmatar Spartan Industries Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2007.10.11 13:54:00 -
[721]
Originally by: Goliath Scorpion Edited by: Goliath Scorpion on 11/10/2007 13:40:45 Turncoats, tired of getting your arses handed to you so you up n become bandwaggon'rs?
I truely hope you asshats get your ass's and more assets handed to you on a plate YET AGAIN.
Edit : And lol at all the cryaltion with the "/signed" "respect" "we love you velios" bull**** more asshats to add to your ever growning ranks.
You seem to have quite an "ass" fixation going on there kiddie
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Marian Finucane
I threw petrol on the fire and now I have no arms
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Posted - 2007.10.11 13:56:00 -
[722]
Originally by: Goliath Scorpion Edited by: Goliath Scorpion on 11/10/2007 13:51:46 Im not involved in the war not on any side.
Bull****.
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Sinder Ohm
Infinite Improbability Inc Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2007.10.11 13:56:00 -
[723]
Originally by: Gungankllr I think it is hilarious that 95% of the Eve public understands and agrees with our decision.
The other 5% are alts, and now generate 95% of the posts.
Hi Mpire
Remember us, we were dukeing it only a few weeks ago, you were fine oppenents and I find it rather shabby how bob treated you. Just wanted to say good on you and have fun with the payback
Originally by: Karanth Wimps play empire. Real men play in 0.0. Hardcore masochists live out in drone space.
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w0rmy
M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.11 13:56:00 -
[724]
Originally by: Goliath Scorpion
Im not involved in the war not on any side but you guys could of cut ties with bob and gone and done your own thing (like someone else said there are more then 2 SIDES in this game). Instead you become a part of the cryalition.
Part of what? who have we joined? Oh, youre just making stuff up.
Sweet as
Originally by: CCP Oveur I'm very sorry w0rmy, I beg your forgiveness.
Originally by: Dianabolic I was never sworn to secrecy, w0rmy, sorry to dissappoint you.
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Lazuran
Gallente Time And ISK Sink Corporation
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Posted - 2007.10.11 13:56:00 -
[725]
Originally by: Marcuis
Originally by: Lazuran I wonder how long it'll take M.PIRE to backstab the "alliance" with some obscure reason. It could be planned already, turncoats are not to be trusted until they've proven their loyalty again.
Umm....... Lazuran i think you need take a step back and redo your thoughts here mate, calling us turncoats get a grib on things mate wait i dont reconizes your allaince there are you guys empire BOB pets , but dont be so eager to judge MPIRE as you have NO fu.cking clue whats happen or what went on..... you tosser
Look Mr. "can't write a straight english sentence but am high on expletives": I understand that BoB used you and screwed you over and that you have every right to set them -10.
However, when you were still BoB pets, you knew exactly how BoB treated other former pets (e.g. Xelas) and had no problems with it. Therefore you cannot seriously claim to have morals, you are angered opportunists and presumably will not change in that regard just because you set BoB to -10. I don't have any doubts that you would backstab all your blues if e.g. BoB offered to pay you 6b now, it's how you are.
isn't it funny how some people advocate both GTC<=>ISK trades and EVE being superior due to its cruelty and costly losses, when they use the former to circumvent the latter?
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Nez Perces
Amarr Black Spot.
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Posted - 2007.10.11 13:59:00 -
[726]
Originally by: EnacheV1
There are no pets, only big and small alliances.
... *deep breath*....
I have more input for this thread but its a long one and I'm only on p.4?
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FinrodFelagund
Rome Rare Faction
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Posted - 2007.10.11 14:01:00 -
[727]
This post makes me wish there was a button I could check that would make anyone who is in a corp or alliance with less then 50 members just dissapear completly. I think that would get rid of 90% of the alt posting drivel.
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w0rmy
M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.11 14:01:00 -
[728]
East bound and down, loaded up and truckin', we're gonna do what they say can't be done. We've got a long way to go and a short time to get there. I'm east bound, just watch ol' "Bandit" run.
Keep your foot hard on the pedal. Son, never mind them brakes. Let it all hang out 'cause we got a run to make. The boys are thirsty in Atlanta and there's beer in Texarcana. And we'll bring it back no matter what it takes.
East bound and down, loaded up and truckin', we're gonna do what they say can't be done. We've got a long way to go and a short time to get there. I'm east bound, just watch ol' "Bandit" run.
East bound and down, loaded up and truckin', we're gonna do what they say can't be done. We've got a long way to go and a short time to get there. I'm east bound, just watch ol' "Bandit" run.
Ol' Smokey's got them ears on and he's hot on your trail. He aint gonna rest 'til you're in jail. So you got to dodge 'im and you got to duck 'im, you got to keep that diesel truckin'. Just put that hammer down and give it hell.
East bound and down, loaded up and truckin', we're gonna do what they say can't be done. We've got a long way to go and a short time to get there. I'm east bound, just watch ol' "Bandit" run.
Originally by: CCP Oveur I'm very sorry w0rmy, I beg your forgiveness.
Originally by: Dianabolic I was never sworn to secrecy, w0rmy, sorry to dissappoint you.
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dralid maximus
M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.11 14:02:00 -
[729]
Originally by: Lazuran
Originally by: Marcuis
Originally by: Lazuran I wonder how long it'll take M.PIRE to backstab the "alliance" with some obscure reason. It could be planned already, turncoats are not to be trusted until they've proven their loyalty again.
Umm....... Lazuran i think you need take a step back and redo your thoughts here mate, calling us turncoats get a grib on things mate wait i dont reconizes your allaince there are you guys empire BOB pets , but dont be so eager to judge MPIRE as you have NO fu.cking clue whats happen or what went on..... you tosser
Look Mr. "can't write a straight english sentence but am high on expletives": I understand that BoB used you and screwed you over and that you have every right to set them -10.
However, when you were still BoB pets, you knew exactly how BoB treated other former pets (e.g. Xelas) and had no problems with it. Therefore you cannot seriously claim to have morals, you are angered opportunists and presumably will not change in that regard just because you set BoB to -10. I don't have any doubts that you would backstab all your blues if e.g. BoB offered to pay you 6b now, it's how you are.
Alt. Stop posting.
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Hudsonn
Infinitus Odium The Church.
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Posted - 2007.10.11 14:04:00 -
[730]
M.PIRE. Just go live in Curse and shoot bob, RA and goons. No need to choose a side.
Dont go blue with goons and RA, it'd be like going from bad to worse. ___________________________
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DeTox MinRohim
Madhatters Inc. M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.11 14:05:00 -
[731]
Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean
I doubt anybody will forget STK/MPIRE after this day and i doubt you will be ever welcome by any others apart from the blob that is goon.
I keep forgetting about you until you show up in CAOD for attention.
Strange... ------ This sig space is Read-only ! omgalink - Online Skillsheet |
Wesley Baird
Murder-Death-Kill
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Posted - 2007.10.11 14:07:00 -
[732]
M.Pire a big thumbs up!
BOB alts, have the guts to post with your mains ffs!!
MC, take a look how your employers/friends treat a strong ally! There is a lesson here for you...
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Goliath Scorpion
The Buggers
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Posted - 2007.10.11 14:10:00 -
[733]
Originally by: Hudsonn M.PIRE. Just go live in Curse and shoot bob, RA and goons. No need to choose a side.
Dont go blue with goons and RA, it'd be like going from bad to worse.
Quoted for unpresedented truth.
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JeanPaul Sartre
26th of July Movement
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Posted - 2007.10.11 14:16:00 -
[734]
Collaborationism, as a pejorative term, can describe the treason of cooperating with enemy forces occupying one's country. As such it implies criminal deeds in the service of the occupying power, including complicity with the occupying power in murder, persecutions, pillage, and economic exploitation as well as participation in a puppet government.
Keep blues on your overview M.Pire .. regardless of the 26 pages.. many will distrust you now and forever. --
Quote: If a victory is told in detail, one can no longer distinguish it from a defeat.
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fisty
Toys R Us
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Posted - 2007.10.11 14:19:00 -
[735]
Interesting move. Have fun M! :)
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Lee Bian
Amarryan Nations GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.11 14:20:00 -
[736]
Originally by: JeanPaul Sartre Keep blues on your overview M.Pire .. regardless of the 26 pages.. many will distrust you now and forever.
or maybe just not ask them to pay to fight with them
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Avon
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.10.11 14:27:00 -
[737]
Edited by: Avon on 11/10/2007 14:29:30
Originally by: Gungankllr I think it is hilarious that 95% of the Eve public understands and agrees with our decision.
The other 5% are alts, and now generate 95% of the posts.
That probably has something to do with the way you made your pitch to the masses. You did what anyone in your position would do, you told them exactly what they wanted to hear, because you need to be seen as popularist heroes, and not traitors. We all understand the PR spin, and you have, as always, done it very well.
The truth of the situation, however, would not reflect so well on you. Now, I could reveal those juicy bits, but I doubt it would make much difference. You would deny it, or try to spin it .. and the audience doesn't want to hear it anyway, they want to believe you.
Let me, for the sake of my image as a biased member of BoB, ask you these questions:
Would you have still been blue to BoB if you had not agreed to rent space? What region were you offered space in? For how much? Why did you guys come to the forums instead of keeping your TS appointment with the leader of that alliance you claim to respect so much?
The truth, dear Gundankllr, is that you and your corp are traitors, liars, and cowards. The devil is in the detail, which is why you are so keen to gloss it over.
Still, mad props for the PR exercise, seriously - done to perfection.
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
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Nez Perces
Amarr Black Spot.
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Posted - 2007.10.11 14:27:00 -
[738]
Edited by: Nez Perces on 11/10/2007 14:29:26
Wow what a thread... best one in CAOD for a LONG LONG time.
Kudos, to M.Pire, for not taking one up the backside.
The obvious quote here is ofc:
"Better to die on your feet, than live on your knees"
... a lesson FIX still has to learn... but there is time... there is still time and hope.
[edit:clarity]
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Karim alRashid
Gallente principle of motion Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.10.11 14:33:00 -
[739]
Edited by: Karim alRashid on 11/10/2007 14:35:36 Edited by: Karim alRashid on 11/10/2007 14:35:25 Avon "Damage Control" starts to post, someone in BoB must have really screwed it up.
PS. Oops, I really did not mean to sound offensive, of course I meant "Damage Control II".
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Goktar illiat
Gallente Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.11 14:34:00 -
[740]
"wait, what?"
Nice banner !!
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wicked cheese
Eth3real Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.10.11 14:35:00 -
[741]
did i make first page??
what an epic thread, titan loss's dont even reach this far, must be alittle bit better than a 50bil loss? has it been said to where they will attack or live? alot of room down in feyth that is open, but also isnt delve pretty loosely defended atm? Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels and filesize of 24000 bytes -Valorem ([email protected]) |
M0535
M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.11 14:37:00 -
[742]
Edited by: M0535 on 11/10/2007 14:39:02 Devil probably is in the details. Things possibley could of ended up differently, maybe if there was clear communication between the same people each time, instead of different people from both sides talking to different people. Mistakes probably were made, but hell, should be fun anyways. Remember, it's just a game.
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KeratinBoy
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Posted - 2007.10.11 14:37:00 -
[743]
There is an acronym coined by an Irish politician, GUBU. It means Grotesque, Unbelievable, Bizarre, Unprecedented. That is what has happened to this thread.
It started with an official post by M.Pire detailing their decision for parting ways with BoB and outlining their reasons for doing so. This was endorsed by many, many members of the corp. Recent enemies came out of the woodwork to salute M.Pire for their PvP ability and adherence to the basic tenet of self-respect.
Naturally, the lickspittles weren't having this. How dare M.Pire consider themselves beholden to no-one?
Now, until yesterday, I would not have been able to pick M.Pire out of a line-up, even with hints. (So many reds, who can keep track?) Yet, here they are, unified in their expression of independence, lauded by enemies and the merest smattering of former allies, denigrated by mewling, spineless, worthless non-entities, afraid to log on and express their displeasure with M.Pire's decision by way of Pew Pew. That is the truest currency of this game.
M.Pire reserve their Sovereign right to make up their own minds, like anyone with two brain cells to call their own. Those who think less of M.Pire for doing that are beneath contempt. I, for one, am impressed.
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Dirtball
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.10.11 14:38:00 -
[744]
Originally by: Avon
The truth, dear Gundankllr, is that you and your corp are traitors, liars, and cowards. The devil is in the detail, which is why you are so keen to gloss it over.
can a customer be a traitor? or do they just take their business elsewhere
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mamolian
M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.11 14:40:00 -
[745]
Originally by: Avon traitors.
Avon, I can understand you backing up your own.. but.. the truth of the matter however is DICE ****** up! Your diplomatic team rubbed us up the wrong way.. and we've stated thats it.. We've had enough. No hard feelings if I put some large T2 rounds through your face if your on my overview mmkay?
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DT3
The Huns
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Posted - 2007.10.11 14:41:00 -
[746]
Edited by: DT3 on 11/10/2007 14:41:42
Originally by: Avon Edited by: Avon on 11/10/2007 14:29:30
Originally by: Gungankllr I think it is hilarious that 95% of the Eve public understands and agrees with our decision.
The other 5% are alts, and now generate 95% of the posts.
That probably has something to do with the way you made your pitch to the masses. You did what anyone in your position would do, you told them exactly what they wanted to hear, because you need to be seen as popularist heroes, and not traitors. We all understand the PR spin, and you have, as always, done it very well.
The truth of the situation, however, would not reflect so well on you. Now, I could reveal those juicy bits, but I doubt it would make much difference. You would deny it, or try to spin it .. and the audience doesn't want to hear it anyway, they want to believe you.
Let me, for the sake of my image as a biased member of BoB, ask you these questions:
Would you have still been blue to BoB if you had not agreed to rent space? What region were you offered space in? For how much? Why did you guys come to the forums instead of keeping your TS appointment with the leader of that alliance you claim to respect so much?
The truth, dear Gundankllr, is that you and your corp are traitors, liars, and cowards. The devil is in the detail, which is why you are so keen to gloss it over.
Still, mad props for the PR exercise, seriously - done to perfection.
I know BoB and how they treat their allies. Mistakes must have been made on BOTH sides but the arrogance of BoB is not unexpected.
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C0CK KN0CKER
Mail Order Russian Brides
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Posted - 2007.10.11 14:41:00 -
[747]
Edited by: **** KN0CKER on 11/10/2007 14:42:12 Bring on the customers.
I dont think MPire would of worked well with BoB, from what I've seen their ego's are no where near big enough, especially with the ex-5 and ex-LV 'selective' members.
-edit- wow, Dirtball could be my long lost 'used car salesman' twin
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K'Bar
Caldari Quam Singulari
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Posted - 2007.10.11 14:43:00 -
[748]
Originally by: Gontard Edited by: Gontard on 11/10/2007 00:01:39 So dear MPire members, now you will go on goon and ra teamspeak and kiss their behinds after all that happened ?
Seriously, your leaders s.uck big time.
Or you drop your leaders or you find yourself some decent corps and alliances, IN WHICH YOU CAN HAVE A BACKBONE.
If you think paying rent to make money in others space is lack of backbone and going gonads is brave than ...
I think you missed the whole point of the post. MPire doesn't kiss anyone's ass, not even Bob's. TBH, Bob has made another hugh mistake, which I think will be their undoing. First ASCN, and now MPire. But MPire is different from ASCN in that they are made up of mostly PVPers and have a lot of friends that live for PVPing (QUAM). Also, as a friend to Bob, Mpire/friends have prevented them from being attacked by much greater numbers, which will no longer be the case. Bob's disrespect came at a bad time especially since MPire gained respect for Rzr and friends for the honor they showed by allowing MPire and others to leave the north without being attacked. IMO, this changes the dynamics of the war and will significantly improve the coalitions progress. All I can say is, Bob that was a bad call. Good luck MPire.
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Monstar
Caldari The X-Trading Company
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Posted - 2007.10.11 14:43:00 -
[749]
Reminds me of the day Goons left XZH after a long and exhausting fight against D¦. Back then Bob attacked an already wasted enemy and claimed victory because they got no resistance.
The biggest worry back then in D¦ was "if Goons cooperate with Bob then noone can stop Bobgoon". But then Bob made its ultrasmart move and they did it perfectly: Alienating maybe the most dangerous enemy in Eve. The North did know the Goons, we have wasted each other on the battlefield for months, we weren't that stupid to make a lifetime feud for nothing.
The same is for M.Pire, we have wasted each other on the battlefield for months, we know what they are capable of.
On the other hand, did Bob ever seen folks in battlefield before alienating them? I doubt.
Your move, wise guy.
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marakor
Gallente Anti Lag Forum Smackers
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Posted - 2007.10.11 14:46:00 -
[750]
Originally by: Lee Bian
Originally by: JeanPaul Sartre Keep blues on your overview M.Pire .. regardless of the 26 pages.. many will distrust you now and forever.
or maybe just not ask them to pay to fight with them
Saying NO is a good responce to the question of paying to fight for sombody or even renegotiating.
A BRIEF HISTORY ;-
BOB loose a couple of areas and STK/MPIRE now in BKG and under attack surrender without informing their allies or even losing SOV in a single of the SIX outpost stations that the coalition owns. They switch sides using the request of 6 bil a week rent as a drama bomb to justify joining the guys who at the moment are winning instead of going solo and breaking ties to BOB and the war in total.
Im sure STK/MPIRE will be given a nice safe spot in goon space to research their titan BPO and build their super capitals and im sure if the war turns they will find another excuse or minor diplomatic problem to try to switch sides again
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Gaunty
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.10.11 14:46:00 -
[751]
Edited by: Gaunty on 11/10/2007 14:46:02 oooo you've gone and done it now, you've made Mamolian mad!
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Necronomicon
Caldari KIA Corp KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.11 14:46:00 -
[752]
/emote notches up M.PIRE +1 for their rage against the machine :D
Carlsberg dont make Eve Pilots, but if they did, i wouldnt be one of them.
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dralid maximus
M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.11 14:46:00 -
[753]
Originally by: Avon Edited by: Avon on 11/10/2007 14:29:30
Originally by: Gungankllr I think it is hilarious that 95% of the Eve public understands and agrees with our decision.
The other 5% are alts, and now generate 95% of the posts.
That probably has something to do with the way you made your pitch to the masses. You did what anyone in your position would do, you told them exactly what they wanted to hear, because you need to be seen as popularist heroes, and not traitors. We all understand the PR spin, and you have, as always, done it very well.
The truth of the situation, however, would not reflect so well on you. Now, I could reveal those juicy bits, but I doubt it would make much difference. You would deny it, or try to spin it .. and the audience doesn't want to hear it anyway, they want to believe you.
Let me, for the sake of my image as a biased member of BoB, ask you these questions:
Would you have still been blue to BoB if you had not agreed to rent space? What region were you offered space in? For how much? Why did you guys come to the forums instead of keeping your TS appointment with the leader of that alliance you claim to respect so much?
The truth, dear Gundankllr, is that you and your corp are traitors, liars, and cowards. The devil is in the detail, which is why you are so keen to gloss it over.
Still, mad props for the PR exercise, seriously - done to perfection.
Please contact your senior BoB director to get a CLUE! Soon, no longer necessary :) The rope is getting more and more tight ...
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Malvahne
Sativah Holandica
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Posted - 2007.10.11 14:49:00 -
[754]
hawt.
(n) to BoB.
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Avon
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.10.11 14:50:00 -
[755]
Originally by: mamolian
Avon, I can understand you backing up your own.. but.. the truth of the matter however is DICE ****** up! Your diplomatic team rubbed us up the wrong way.. and we've stated thats it.. We've had enough. No hard feelings if I put some large T2 rounds through your face if your on my overview mmkay?
If you read it again, I never even hinted that you or your corp were traitors. However, in answer to your question, no hard feelings, no. As anyone who has met me at an Eve meet will tell you, I am happy to get falling down drunk with any Eve player, no matter their ingame affiliations, and I understand that is something you can relate to.
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
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Asperger
Foundation R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.10.11 14:51:00 -
[756]
In this particular case, BoB arrogance shines through perfectly.
Avon: try overloading those DCII mods, it looks like you need it.
Respect goes to M.Pire.
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Fendragun
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.10.11 14:53:00 -
[757]
Edited by: Fendragun on 11/10/2007 14:52:52
Originally by: mamolian
Originally by: Avon traitors.
Avon, I can understand you backing up your own.. but.. the truth of the matter however is DICE ****** up! Your diplomatic team rubbed us up the wrong way.. and we've stated thats it.. We've had enough. No hard feelings if I put some large T2 rounds through your face if your on my overview mmkay?
As an ex atuk director anda dice founder - all i can say is well done that person
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Wesley Baird
Murder-Death-Kill
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Posted - 2007.10.11 14:54:00 -
[758]
Originally by: Avon That probably has something to do with the way you made your pitch to the masses. You did what anyone in your position would do, you told them exactly what they wanted to hear, because you need to be seen as popularist heroes, and not traitors. We all understand the PR spin, and you have, as always, done it very well.
The truth of the situation, however, would not reflect so well on you. Now, I could reveal those juicy bits, but I doubt it would make much difference. You would deny it, or try to spin it .. and the audience doesn't want to hear it anyway, they want to believe you.
Let me, for the sake of my image as a biased member of BoB, ask you these questions:
Would you have still been blue to BoB if you had not agreed to rent space? What region were you offered space in? For how much? Why did you guys come to the forums instead of keeping your TS appointment with the leader of that alliance you claim to respect so much?
The truth, dear Gundankllr, is that you and your corp are traitors, liars, and cowards. The devil is in the detail, which is why you are so keen to gloss it over.
Still, mad props for the PR exercise, seriously - done to perfection.
Thumbs up for posting with your main...wish some of your brothers in arms were as honorable.
In terms of PR, this is pretty cut and dry...BOB has a massive amount of space which is practically empty...rather than support a friend and ally and let them find their feet in new space, you want to charge them...is there more to this story? I am sure there is, but the above details really are enough...
PR failure at a minimum for BOB, in terms of gameplay...you now have another enemy for which this fight is personal...not a good tactical move...
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Biosman
Einherjar Rising
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Posted - 2007.10.11 14:55:00 -
[759]
I guess that means M.Pire won't be needing the "pep talk"
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Avon
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.10.11 14:56:00 -
[760]
Originally by: Asperger In this particular case, BoB arrogance shines through perfectly.
Avon: try overloading those DCII mods, it looks like you need it.
Respect goes to M.Pire.
As ever, my posts are my personal view, and may or may not be representative of the views of my corp or alliance, blah blah blah....
Seriously, I love that people think my posts are good enough to be seen as official damage control (II), but there is nothing officially sanctioned about them at all (I get in trouble enough over posting without people drawing attention to it )
I am happy to get in to a reasoned debate, but surprisingly it doesn't happen very often here anymore. I find it odd, however, that people who just dismiss my views as damage control then feel an urge to actually make a post saying so. It is almost as if they would rather do that than, you know, enter in to a discussion. I can't imagine why.
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
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mamolian
M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.11 14:56:00 -
[761]
Originally by: Avon
Originally by: mamolian
Avon, I can understand you backing up your own.. but.. the truth of the matter however is DICE ****** up! Your diplomatic team rubbed us up the wrong way.. and we've stated thats it.. We've had enough. No hard feelings if I put some large T2 rounds through your face if your on my overview mmkay?
If you read it again, I never even hinted that you or your corp were traitors. However, in answer to your question, no hard feelings, no. As anyone who has met me at an Eve meet will tell you, I am happy to get falling down drunk with any Eve player, no matter their ingame affiliations, and I understand that is something you can relate to.
Im a bit of a light weight.. but it doesn't stop me trying!
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Velios
M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.11 14:57:00 -
[762]
Originally by: marakor Im sure STK/MPIRE will be given a nice safe spot in goon space to research their titan BPO and build their super capitals and im sure if the war turns they will find another excuse or minor diplomatic problem to try to switch sides again
In the future, it is our desire that EVE politics will not consist of only two sides. There "Are" only two sides at present, everything else that you might do in 0.0 outside of the main battle can somehow be traced back to you either being a BoB pet, or a Goon Pet.
This is not healthy for EVE
The future we see is one where EVE politics are much more diverse than that, where everything doesn't just boil down to two sides.
We have chosen to assist in the dismantling of one of the two "Sides" as a response to the grievances we have with them. We won't be hiding away in some safe friendly station, we are bound straight for the front lines, to try and make this future vision for EVE come about that little bit more quickly.
May that future arrive soon, and if M. can in some way play a part in bringing about change then I can live with that, no matter what the cost.
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Malachon Draco
eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.10.11 14:58:00 -
[763]
Originally by: Avon Edited by: Avon on 11/10/2007 14:29:30
Originally by: Gungankllr I think it is hilarious that 95% of the Eve public understands and agrees with our decision.
The other 5% are alts, and now generate 95% of the posts.
That probably has something to do with the way you made your pitch to the masses. You did what anyone in your position would do, you told them exactly what they wanted to hear, because you need to be seen as popularist heroes, and not traitors. We all understand the PR spin, and you have, as always, done it very well.
The truth of the situation, however, would not reflect so well on you. Now, I could reveal those juicy bits, but I doubt it would make much difference. You would deny it, or try to spin it .. and the audience doesn't want to hear it anyway, they want to believe you.
Let me, for the sake of my image as a biased member of BoB, ask you these questions:
Would you have still been blue to BoB if you had not agreed to rent space? What region were you offered space in? For how much? Why did you guys come to the forums instead of keeping your TS appointment with the leader of that alliance you claim to respect so much?
The truth, dear Gundankllr, is that you and your corp are traitors, liars, and cowards. The devil is in the detail, which is why you are so keen to gloss it over.
Still, mad props for the PR exercise, seriously - done to perfection.
Wow, back to character assassination of enemy alliance leaders it is I guess. Don't you ever get tired of that?
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Delerium Primus
Old Folks Retirement Home
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Posted - 2007.10.11 14:58:00 -
[764]
Originally by: Avon Edited by: Avon on 11/10/2007 14:29:30
Originally by: Gungankllr I think it is hilarious that 95% of the Eve public understands and agrees with our decision.
The other 5% are alts, and now generate 95% of the posts.
That probably has something to do with the way you made your pitch to the masses. You did what anyone in your position would do, you told them exactly what they wanted to hear, because you need to be seen as popularist heroes, and not traitors. We all understand the PR spin, and you have, as always, done it very well.
The truth of the situation, however, would not reflect so well on you. Now, I could reveal those juicy bits, but I doubt it would make much difference. You would deny it, or try to spin it .. and the audience doesn't want to hear it anyway, they want to believe you.
Let me, for the sake of my image as a biased member of BoB, ask you these questions:
Would you have still been blue to BoB if you had not agreed to rent space? What region were you offered space in? For how much? Why did you guys come to the forums instead of keeping your TS appointment with the leader of that alliance you claim to respect so much?
The truth, dear Gundankllr, is that you and your corp are traitors, liars, and cowards. The devil is in the detail, which is why you are so keen to gloss it over.
Still, mad props for the PR exercise, seriously - done to perfection.
Would you have still been blue to BoB if you had not agreed to rent space?
No
What region were you offered space in?
We have had offers but no decisions made as yet.
For how much?
See above
Why did you guys come to the forums instead of keeping your TS appointment with the leader of that alliance you claim to respect so much?
We had no TS appointment simply a convo saying can you come on ts later with MC.
But regardless, ALL options were explored and the decision took over 2 hours to reach and was decided for the benefit of mpire.
Del
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Skrypt
Gallente Game-Over
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Posted - 2007.10.11 15:03:00 -
[765]
lawl.
"I know. I know you can fight. But it's our wits that make us men." ~ Malcolm Wallace (Braveheart) |
Draxon Vahldorr
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Posted - 2007.10.11 15:03:00 -
[766]
signed.
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Ponderous Thunderstroke
Republic War Machine Industries
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Posted - 2007.10.11 15:05:00 -
[767]
When you kick a dog in the head enough times, at some point the dog is going to snap at you. Then, do you get mad at the dog for acting its nature?
Note: BoB treats its "renters" like dogs, except MC, whom they fear. Make the connection.
Or, try this.
If MC were taking a beating in the war and had said they didn't like the way things were going, and after considering all their options, were taking a deal with <insert anyone not BoB here>, the Bobbits (under alts), their fanbois, Alice Cha-lamma-lamma-ding-dong, random newb corpers, and probably ISD would applaud Seleene and MC for looking out for their best interests and the life of their alliance. But when M.Pire does it, the same pack of hyenas comes out and screeches that they're traitors, scoundrels, bastards, losers, surrender monkeys, etc.
Detractors: You're a bunch of hypocritical spindoctors.
M.Pire: Do what you think you have to for your alliance.
Next stop: A Trial of Grievance, by combat. Let there be pewpew.
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Asperger
Foundation R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.10.11 15:10:00 -
[768]
Originally by: Avon
I find it odd, however, that people who just dismiss my views as damage control then feel an urge to actually make a post saying so. It is almost as if they would rather do that than, you know, enter in to a discussion. I can't imagine why.
The reason I'm not arguing is because there is nothing to argue about and I felt like pointing out that the parallel universe responses you and a few other alts and bob members are giving, well they are just obviously laughable.
I can't enter into a discussion with a reality distortion field.
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Sha Kharn
Minmatar STK Scientific M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.11 15:11:00 -
[769]
Originally by: Riddlock I HAVE NO FRIENDS
AHH AND SIGNED !!!
Rid im still your freind :)
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DeTox MinRohim
Madhatters Inc. M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.11 15:12:00 -
[770]
Edited by: DeTox MinRohim on 11/10/2007 15:14:48 *Removed, Not worth an answer*
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Lucky 8
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.10.11 15:12:00 -
[771]
Originally by: Velios This isn't a one-off incident that pushed us over the edge either, this is the culmination of years of tension, years of behind the scenes bull**** and agendas instigated by some of the people at the top of BoB (who obviously never used to be in BoB when it all started) but the result is the same.
Doh!
Make your mind up! What ARE the reasons?
1. Old animosity and grudges? 2. Spin on front page?
Please pick one. --
Originally by: Nicho Void This thread is like a chum slick for forum alt trolls.
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Jakus Cemendur
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.10.11 15:16:00 -
[772]
Lucky8, you even thought M.PIRE might have done it because of both?
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Sextus Licinius
Caldari Wreckless Abandon Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.10.11 15:16:00 -
[773]
Originally by: Lucre
Originally by: Avon The truth, dear Gundankllr, is that you and your corp are traitors
It's a curious thing, but I'm sure I remember BoB once doing a global standings reset to turn former friends and allies into targets?
Do I misremember? Or is it only treason when others do it back to you?
I'm sry but i don't see the MPIRE treason here, BoB asked for isk and you maybe felt betrayed since you've fought and lost under their colors and expected more empathy from them when returning south with a bleeding nose. Not only that they didn't help, but if you haven't left your space to aid them, things could've looked different. At least that's what i rationalize out of reading a few pages.
"He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man" |
Maenoise
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Posted - 2007.10.11 15:19:00 -
[774]
*snip* Posting with an unidentified character and characters in NPC corporations in this forum is prohibited. If you wish to participate in the discussions here, be sure to have your corporation and or alliance status ticked in your forum settings. -Valorem ([email protected])
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Velios
M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.11 15:22:00 -
[775]
Oh are we only allowed to have a set amount of reasons?
Sorry i didn't realize it was a lunchtime restricted set-menu.
It's a complicated issue, nothing is black or white, lets just say that the scales tipped, and it's taken a long long time for that to happen.
As said in the OP, we stuck by BoB for a long time with a loose affiliation, in recognizing that we had traveled in parallel together for many a year.
I guess it was all fine until we actually had to work on the same field, where we were expected to "know our place"
The mere mention of ISK in a time of war is utterly taboo to us - we just want to get on with the job.
M.Corp Capital Blueprint Facility |
Anton Marx
Caldari Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.10.11 15:26:00 -
[776]
Only one thing is certain in this situation
M.PIRE thread > Sir Molle's thread
One day on the right side, M.Pire and you're already winning against BoB
Can't be bad
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mamolian
M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.11 15:29:00 -
[777]
I have to say I do love drama etc.. But personally I'm *****ing up atm because.. I love the fact Fendragun and Avon have pretty much sealed BOB's counterspin and confirmed our origional claims.
Thread over tbh.. CCP shut it down!
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Sentinel Eeex
Caldari DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.11 15:36:00 -
[778]
Originally by: Avon Edited by: Avon on 11/10/2007 15:15:31
Originally by: Gungankllr I think it is hilarious that 95% of the Eve public understands and agrees with our decision.
The other 5% are alts, and now generate 95% of the posts.
That probably has something to do with the way you made your pitch to the masses. You did what anyone in your position would do, you told them exactly what they wanted to hear, because you need to be seen as popularist heroes, and not traitors. We all understand the PR spin, and you have, as always, done it very well.
The truth of the situation, however, would not reflect so well on you. Now, I could reveal those juicy bits, but I doubt it would make much difference. You would deny it, or try to spin it .. and the audience doesn't want to hear it anyway, they want to believe you.
Time when you will show up, in BoB related threads, is becoming easily predictable.
Please, blame this all some more on 'middlemen/middlewomen'. But watch out, BoB posts in CAOD and SHC are becoming to contradict each other, better have a meeting about it.
Oh well, we might even see BoB starting to blame M.PIRE for leaving North. Oh wait... |
Avon
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.10.11 15:36:00 -
[779]
Originally by: mamolian I have to say I do love drama etc.. But personally I'm *****ing up atm because.. I love the fact Fendragun and Avon have pretty much sealed BOB's counterspin and confirmed our origional claims.
Thread over tbh.. CCP shut it down!
Yeah, maybe.
Or maybe that is because no-one wants to openly or honestly answer the questions I posed? (Not that I don't already know the answers).
Now we have Velios doing the whole "We weren't ever BoB's allies or friends, we were just, like, running parallel, ya'know?" thing, which is interesting, because why then did he expect to be allowed to pitch his tent in Delve?
Like I said, a masterpeice of spin - the type BoB used to do so well.
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
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Star Wolf
Edge Tech
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Posted - 2007.10.11 15:36:00 -
[780]
It's good to see STK has come to their senses, it may have taken M.Pire to get them to collectively do it, but at least there on the side the corp was founded on, at least for now.
Star
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Aaron Min
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Posted - 2007.10.11 15:37:00 -
[781]
oh I have always thought of BoB as the Mafia of eve. Extortion! Pay us to live here and we will protect you! or rather we will not burn your buildings down, but if someone else does we don't really care as long as you keep paying us. Unless! its another mafia, in which case we will start a turf war and go attack them for having wronged our family! Because having more turf is great, it just means we can have more places to "rent" to losers who can't take care of themselves!
WHERE IS MY TOMMY GUN!
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DT3
The Huns
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Posted - 2007.10.11 15:41:00 -
[782]
Originally by: Avon
Originally by: mamolian I have to say I do love drama etc.. But personally I'm *****ing up atm because.. I love the fact Fendragun and Avon have pretty much sealed BOB's counterspin and confirmed our origional claims.
Thread over tbh.. CCP shut it down!
Yeah, maybe.
Or maybe that is because no-one wants to openly or honestly answer the questions I posed? (Not that I don't already know the answers).
Now we have Velios doing the whole "We weren't ever BoB's allies or friends, we were just, like, running parallel, ya'know?" thing, which is interesting, because why then did he expect to be allowed to pitch his tent in Delve?
Like I said, a masterpeice of spin - the type BoB used to do so well.
Avon,
Stop pretending not to smack and just do it, man! I do it all the time. I guess the best offence is defence.
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Gungankllr
Caldari STK Scientific M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.11 15:42:00 -
[783]
Originally by: Star Wolf It's good to see STK has come to their senses, it may have taken M.Pire to get them to collectively do it, but at least there on the side the corp was founded on, at least for now.
Star
DIAF.
Does that mean you're going to return all the stuff you stole, oh hero of the downtrodden and huddled masses?
After all, you did say you stole everything because we were allied with BoB.
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SamuraiJack
Caldari Celestial Horizon Corp. Valainaloce
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Posted - 2007.10.11 15:43:00 -
[784]
Originally by: Lucre
Originally by: Avon The truth, dear Gundankllr, is that you and your corp are traitors
It's a curious thing, but I'm sure I remember BoB once doing a global standings reset to turn former friends and allies into targets?
Do I misremember? Or is it only treason when others do it back to you?
/Unreal Tournament HEADSHOT! /UT
Lucre... Please return the ion cannon... its the sniper rifle you should use but you get bonus points for gratuitous violence :P
/me chuckles and wanders off for more coffee. 28 pages... damn.
SJ. CLS CEO, Valainloce Executor and Standings Director =-
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BitchInCharge
Head-Hunters
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Posted - 2007.10.11 15:45:00 -
[785]
Originally by: DT3 Avon,
Stop pretending not to smack and just do it, man! I do it all the time. I guess the best offence is defence.
Can i call you "Mr. Moron"?
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Sentinel Eeex
Caldari DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.11 15:48:00 -
[786]
Originally by: Avon
Originally by: mamolian I have to say I do love drama etc.. But personally I'm *****ing up atm because.. I love the fact Fendragun and Avon have pretty much sealed BOB's counterspin and confirmed our origional claims.
Thread over tbh.. CCP shut it down!
Yeah, maybe.
Or maybe that is because no-one wants to openly or honestly answer the questions I posed? (Not that I don't already know the answers).
Were you, personally, involved in conversations with M.PIRE? |
DT3
The Huns
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Posted - 2007.10.11 15:53:00 -
[787]
Originally by: *****InCharge
Originally by: DT3 Avon,
Stop pretending not to smack and just do it, man! I do it all the time. I guess the best offence is defence.
Can i call you "Mr. Moron"?
No, Call me DAD!
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Taj Zela
Minmatar Haha It Is To Laugh
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Posted - 2007.10.11 15:54:00 -
[788]
Originally by: Gralgathor the only sensible thing to do is to stay neutral and find your own way.
heh, look at the corps in m.pire, nuff said
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5h4dy
Caeco Dominus
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Posted - 2007.10.11 15:55:00 -
[789]
why do people respect m.pire for this? yeah they stood upto bob, congrats and good for you, but then you go and jump into bed with the coalition who have abused and smacked you for a long time, you guys are cowards.
Atleast when CA left the coalition they didnt jump on the alliances side, thats more respectable than what you lot have done, instead you have betrayed all your other friends who had nothing to do with bobs descion to charge you rent.
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cruxix
M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.11 15:57:00 -
[790]
5 isk says.. all of this will be rewritten and respun based on who is standing in NOL one year from now...
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Natas Dog
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.11 16:01:00 -
[791]
I don't know. I consider it a handy way for them to give BoB the middle finger and having a shot at playing a key role in the downfall of one of the longest standing alliances in game. I've no great love for the guys and gals in M.PIRE, but is the enemy of my enemy not my friend? Until such point as our mutual goal is achieved, I can find it in myself put past transgressions aside and be the bigger man.
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Sakura San
X - Beyond the Frontier
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Posted - 2007.10.11 16:07:00 -
[792]
congrats to STK to accomplish what they always wanted. congrats to STK to drag away corps from the GBC with them. STK played well, and some good corps fell for it.
not that i expected it to be this way due to the experience of said corps leaders, especially Velios, even more props to STK i guess?
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DeTox MinRohim
Madhatters Inc. M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.11 16:07:00 -
[793]
Video bookmarked - I have the Hat, I'll get the mustache now.
------ This sig space is Read-only ! omgalink - Online Skillsheet |
Andraine
Coded Arms Corp
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Posted - 2007.10.11 16:09:00 -
[794]
tbh, both alliance and coalition need to fall.
The "Federation" is soon to be born.
watch this space
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Fire Hawk
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.10.11 16:10:00 -
[795]
Edited by: Fire Hawk on 11/10/2007 16:12:10 I propose better price than BoB.
oops, wrong char :(
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w0rmy
M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.11 16:12:00 -
[796]
Originally by: Fire Hawk
To be really honest, I flew a lot with you M.Corp, specially in The Five and I have to say, your blue/good/friend/stuff standings has no value at all.
It does so
6 billion isk
Originally by: CCP Oveur I'm very sorry w0rmy, I beg your forgiveness.
Originally by: Dianabolic I was never sworn to secrecy, w0rmy, sorry to dissappoint you.
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schwar2ss
Madhatters Inc. M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.11 16:13:00 -
[797]
ok, i may be the last one who signs here but i do have a rl:
/signed
on a sidenote: i stopped reading on page 11 or so when some (now grey) guys started twisting facts and chronology. these lamers had their chance in the last 4 days to put things right - guess what has not happened... So stop whining, stick with the consequences and buy urself a spaceship or two. And never forget: in space noone can hear u cry!
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w0rmy
M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.11 16:13:00 -
[798]
Originally by: Fire Hawk Edited by: Fire Hawk on 11/10/2007 16:12:10 I propose better price than BoB.
oops, wrong char :(
3rd times a charm?
Originally by: CCP Oveur I'm very sorry w0rmy, I beg your forgiveness.
Originally by: Dianabolic I was never sworn to secrecy, w0rmy, sorry to dissappoint you.
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Xrensa
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.11 16:14:00 -
[799]
Originally by: w0rmy
Originally by: Fire Hawk
To be really honest, I flew a lot with you M.Corp, specially in The Five and I have to say, your blue/good/friend/stuff standings has no value at all.
It does so
6 billion isk
I believe this deserves a
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Tarantelita
Ragna Rok Corp
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Posted - 2007.10.11 16:14:00 -
[800]
Get your stuff, go south and start to kick BoB a** . And no, no respect to you, because you knew that the back stabbing would come, and still you where allied to BoB.
To gain your respect go down and start to make dmg. Other wise, stfu.
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Fire Hawk
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.10.11 16:14:00 -
[801]
Originally by: w0rmy
Originally by: Fire Hawk
To be really honest, I flew a lot with you M.Corp, specially in The Five and I have to say, your blue/good/friend/stuff standings has no value at all.
It does so
6 billion isk
Removed my post due to not good vibrations.
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Lucias Trask
Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.11 16:17:00 -
[802]
Wow... and I was looking forward to flying with M-Pire... oh well. [PANIC] |
Maenoise
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Posted - 2007.10.11 16:21:00 -
[803]
Edited by: Maenoise on 11/10/2007 16:27:51 Bloody alt forum setting <mumbles>
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w0rmy
M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.11 16:25:00 -
[804]
Originally by: Avon Still, mad props for the PR exercise, seriously - done to perfection.
That'll be Jill, from marketing. Her cats just died and her boyfriends left her, so he has had plenty of spare time of late to come up with the marketing plan.
You should see the cute new outfits shes got for us to wear!
Originally by: CCP Oveur I'm very sorry w0rmy, I beg your forgiveness.
Originally by: Dianabolic I was never sworn to secrecy, w0rmy, sorry to dissappoint you.
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Havras
The Syndicate Inc
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Posted - 2007.10.11 16:27:00 -
[805]
Originally by: Avon Edited by: Avon on 11/10/2007 15:15:31
Originally by: Gungankllr I think it is hilarious that 95% of the Eve public understands and agrees with our decision.
The other 5% are alts, and now generate 95% of the posts.
That probably has something to do with the way you made your pitch to the masses. You did what anyone in your position would do, you told them exactly what they wanted to hear, because you need to be seen as popularist heroes, and not traitors. We all understand the PR spin, and you have, as always, done it very well.
The truth of the situation, however, would not reflect so well on you. Now, I could reveal those juicy bits, but I doubt it would make much difference. You would deny it, or try to spin it .. and the audience doesn't want to hear it anyway, they want to believe you.
Let me, for the sake of my image as a biased member of BoB, ask you these questions:
Would you have still been blue to BoB if you had not agreed to rent space? What region were you offered space in? For how much? Why did you guys come to the forums instead of keeping your TS appointment with the leader of that alliance you claim to respect so much?
The truth, dear Gungankllr, is that you and your corp are traitors, liars, and cowards. The devil is in the detail, which is why you are so keen to gloss it over.
Still, mad props for the PR exercise, seriously - done to perfection.
Avon.. don't start playing the liar card. Really. Stop now.
You used it way back against ASCN to good effect but umm.. unfortunately for you it came out later that the most damning accusation made by them was true. You get no credit for calling alliance leaders liars anymore.
End of the story there.
Quote: If an advisor says to me "My liege, he is but one man. What can one man possibly do?", I will reply "This." and kill the advisor.
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Delerium Primus
Old Folks Retirement Home
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Posted - 2007.10.11 16:28:00 -
[806]
Edited by: Delerium Primus on 11/10/2007 16:28:06
Originally by: Avon Or maybe that is because no-one wants to openly or honestly answer the questions I posed? (Not that I don't already know the answers)
I thought I'd cleared that up for you http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=611554&page=27#808
Ok so i dont have the mpire ticker on my char anymore but I was in the mpire directors meeting as i still have a vested interest ;)
Del
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Levka
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.10.11 16:28:00 -
[807]
Why do i bother reading CAOD is beyond me. After original post all i saw is 29 pages of "/signed" and "you are a liar" and "no you are a liar".
Its so nice to be just a peon and have no say in what goes outside of battlefield. To me the only thing that matters is what color you show up on the overview. I dont care WHY
Anyways, i'm just posting cause i want this thread to hit 1000 posts :)
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Papion
Huff and Puff
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Posted - 2007.10.11 16:29:00 -
[808]
ddint you know velios, avon can not comprehend that
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Apophis Omega
Amarr STK Scientific M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.11 16:30:00 -
[809]
Originally by: Maximillian Bayonette I always liked M.Pire, and I thought you did a great job holding us off in the north, but this turncoat deal as tarnished you. Of course the coalition will jump on this, claiming you're not turncoats and that you have "seen the light", but as you yourself have admitted here, you turned on your allies because of isk. Well done.[/quote
Acctually we can pay that 6b no problem. Its principle, we will not be someones pet/renter/slave. Simple ain't it? We thought we were friends, we got slapped in the face by our friend so we decided to slap them back.
To that docking rights thing. Your full of crap bob. We could dock their 24hours before and all of a sudden is disappears when you offer us rent or gtfo. -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Star Wolf
Edge Tech
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Posted - 2007.10.11 16:42:00 -
[810]
Originally by: Gungankllr
Originally by: Star Wolf It's good to see STK has come to their senses, it may have taken M.Pire to get them to collectively do it, but at least there on the side the corp was founded on, at least for now.
Star
DIAF.
Does that mean you're going to return all the stuff you stole, oh hero of the downtrodden and huddled masses?
After all, you did say you stole everything because we were allied with BoB.
First, you really need to let things go...this thread is to celebrate you're moving...don't turn it into another smack thread, it will only bring you and STK down to another level.
Also, judging from history, you don't stay long in one area, is this like the 4th alliance in one year and moving...that must be a pain. Maybe you have changed yours ways, who knows, we'll see. You just need to get that station up you were planning on building in M.Pire.
Anyway, congrats on switching sides.
Star
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Avon
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.10.11 16:45:00 -
[811]
Originally by: Delerium Primus
I thought I'd cleared that up for you Here
Well, as the first answer was an outright lie, and the other questions were skirted around, I just kinda ignored your post. Sorry about that.
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
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NATMav
F.R.E.E. Explorer Atrum Tempestas Foedus
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Posted - 2007.10.11 16:47:00 -
[812]
Originally by: Coranor Bottom line is that you were out for yourselves here. There was never any loyalty to either us or even MC, the guys who set you up in the north. You bailed on fatal and cow, knowing that they couldn't hold the area on their own, without even having to try and defend one of your stations and you ran down south expecting to be welcomed with open arms by one side or the other.
Any good leader looks out for the interests of his own people above and beyond anyone else's. M.Pire did come back South, expecting to be welcomed with open arms. I mean who wouldn't? They've been to hell and back fighting YOUR war, got overrun in the North, and still had the boldness to come back to your aid in Catch. In the end all they got was a rental contract for the "priveledge" of being BoB's "ally".
The bottom line is that BoB made them an offer that BoB (and only BoB) thought was fair. They picked a better one.
M.Pire, I take back all the bad stuff I ever said about you...well almost all of it. As to my comments about allowing you guys to retreat from the North, it seems I was mistaken. I guess that diplomatic gesture by RZR/MM may have have opened some eyes in your camp.
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NATMav
F.R.E.E. Explorer Atrum Tempestas Foedus
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Posted - 2007.10.11 16:47:00 -
[813]
Originally by: Sun Ra So to round all this up, bob said 6bil a month for the whole alliance, m.pire thought it was 6 bil per corp and now they're going to war on a misunderstanding
anyways GL m.pire
Allies are paid for in blood, not ISK.
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Kryztal
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.10.11 16:49:00 -
[814]
Originally by: Apophis Omega
Originally by: Maximillian Bayonette I always liked M.Pire, and I thought you did a great job holding us off in the north, but this turncoat deal as tarnished you. Of course the coalition will jump on this, claiming you're not turncoats and that you have "seen the light", but as you yourself have admitted here, you turned on your allies because of isk. Well done.[/quote
Acctually we can pay that 6b no problem. Its principle, we will not be someones pet/renter/slave. Simple ain't it? We thought we were friends, we got slapped in the face by our friend so we decided to slap them back.
To that docking rights thing. Your full of crap bob. We could dock their 24hours before and all of a sudden is disappears when you offer us rent or gtfo.
You could dock there 24hours before cos the station was in eclipse hands not tinfoil, and you needed to have +ve standings with eclipse right away otherwise our POS's would have pwn'd you When we transfered the station to tinfoil the message to get you docking access back didnt hit the right people right away then all the drama happend.
Nobody was forcing your hand to take a rent deal it was on the table to get you a space for your people. We did ask you to leave Delve as its BoB only and we dont rent that out to anyone.
- for the MOTHERLAND! -
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Delerium Primus
Old Folks Retirement Home
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Posted - 2007.10.11 16:51:00 -
[815]
Originally by: Avon
Originally by: Delerium Primus
I thought I'd cleared that up for you Here
Well, as the first answer was an outright lie, and the other questions were skirted around, I just kinda ignored your post. Sorry about that.
My answers were 100% true - beleive it.
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Stoned Celt
Bloodnok Technologies
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Posted - 2007.10.11 16:51:00 -
[816]
Originally by: Apophis Omega
Originally by: Maximillian Bayonette I always liked M.Pire, and I thought you did a great job holding us off in the north, but this turncoat deal as tarnished you. Of course the coalition will jump on this, claiming you're not turncoats and that you have "seen the light", but as you yourself have admitted here, you turned on your allies because of isk. Well done.[/quote
Actually we can pay that 6b no problem. Its principle, we will not be someones pet/renter/slave. Simple ain't it? We thought we were friends, we got slapped in the face by our friend so we decided to slap them back.
To that docking rights thing. Your full of crap bob. We could dock their 24hours before and all of a sudden is disappears when you offer us rent or gtfo.
I must be confused, I thought the time line was: 1. Mpire abandons the north and some come south. 2. BoB catches Mpire ratting in Delve and give them a *******ing. 3. BoB tells Mpire if they want a system in an area off the front lines they have to pay for it. 4. Mpire throw a wobbly fit and start talking to the Goons about "options". 5. BoB find out about it and Mpire lose their docking rights. 6. Mpire are still considering changing sides (although by the posts most of your members seem to think they are going to be shooting BoB and Co quite soon).
Good luck
"I told you I was ill" - Epitaph on Spike Milligan's Tombstone.
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Cefte
Gray Ivy GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.11 16:52:00 -
[817]
Originally by: w0rmy
That'll be Jill, from marketing. Her cats just died and her boyfriends left her
Boyfriends plural?
That two-timing little minx!
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w0rmy
M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.11 16:53:00 -
[818]
Originally by: Stoned Celt
6. Mpire are still considering changing sides (although by the posts most of your members seem to think they are going to be shooting BoB and Co quite soon).
NBSI, and theyre not blue.
Originally by: CCP Oveur I'm very sorry w0rmy, I beg your forgiveness.
Originally by: Dianabolic I was never sworn to secrecy, w0rmy, sorry to dissappoint you.
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Sentinel Eeex
Caldari DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.11 16:56:00 -
[819]
Originally by: Delerium Primus
Originally by: Avon
Originally by: Delerium Primus
I thought I'd cleared that up for you Here
Well, as the first answer was an outright lie, and the other questions were skirted around, I just kinda ignored your post. Sorry about that.
My answers were 100% true - beleive it.
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Avon
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.10.11 16:58:00 -
[820]
Originally by: Delerium Primus
My answers were 100% true - beleive it.
So you are going on record as stating that BoB wanted you to pay 6bil for standings, and not as rent? Let us be clear about this, because it is one hell of a claim.
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
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Hannibal Ord
Minmatar M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.11 17:01:00 -
[821]
All I have to say. Is that whatever the outcome of this decision. There is honour in the decision that has been made .
We have fought so long and so hard against numerous enemies in the north. Eventually we fell, and a decision was made to save us from basically a long drawn out war which would have left many of us broke and less prepared to fight in the near future.
We went south, to aid MC and BoB, believing that our actions would be welcomed and that we would be a great asset to the war. To many of us, what occured next was such an insult and betrayal.
Whilst we have many enemies in the East, the ones I have fought have almost always been honourable. The recent war against the Razor alliance and her allies was bitter and we did our best. Those that were actually there know the efforts made against us were like waves crashing against cliffs until the weekend the Tsunami hit and broke through our walls.
I would rather fight with honourable enemies, than those who have basically just spat on us for doing our best.
I look forward to working with all of you guys, because there is honour in what you are fighting for. We will win, because of that alone.
The Band of Brothers has no honour in what they fight for.
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Helen
MASS Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service
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Posted - 2007.10.11 17:02:00 -
[822]
Originally by: Avon
The truth, dear Gungankllr, is that you and your corp are traitors, liars, and cowards. The devil is in the detail, which is why you are so keen to gloss it over.
Yeah thats it STK had the TITUUUUUUN bpos and the outpost bpos from ASCN and the missing xetic minerals and they ran from every fight. Oh and that Helen she's a noob.
Originally by: Avon
Still, mad props for the PR exercise, seriously - done to perfection.
Hey its why I personally headhunted him into STK, his forum fu is strong.
First pod pilot to lose a Mothership in EvE... err woo |
Avon
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.10.11 17:02:00 -
[823]
I just have to add that I am sure the Goons will be over the moon at all the e-honour in this thread, cause we all know they e-respect that more than e-anything else e-ever.
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
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Darcuese
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.10.11 17:03:00 -
[824]
Edited by: Darcuese on 11/10/2007 17:04:20 Just wanted say hello to Velios.
\o/.
I thank you for getting closer for me to reach you and kiss you.
If only stories as these could be bookmarked in character employment or something. It would be funny read under this guy head me, myself and I ------> |
Vyres
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.11 17:03:00 -
[825]
Edited by: Vyres on 11/10/2007 17:03:25
Originally by: Avon I just have to add that I am sure the Goons will be over the moon at all the e-honour in this thread, cause we all know they e-respect that more than e-anything else e-ever.
Crap he beat me to it :( . Now its just not the same
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Helen
MASS Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service
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Posted - 2007.10.11 17:04:00 -
[826]
Epic thread so far I just wanna shout out to my homies in BoB, Cass get me the uber sekrit BoB plans for world domination and Star Wolf go jump off a cliff.
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Clay101
Caldari M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.11 17:06:00 -
[827]
Originally by: Avon Would you have still been blue to BoB if you had not agreed to rent space? What region were you offered space in? For how much? Why did you guys come to the forums instead of keeping your TS appointment with the leader of that alliance you claim to respect so much?
1 - If BoB had not insulted us by demanding we PAY to put our Cap Ships and Support Fleet on the line (something we were going to do for free mind you) then yes, we would still be Blue to BoB and we would be fighting right now against the South.
2 - I don't remember where exaclty (I believe FAT) but regardless, we wanted to be on the frontlines.
3 - We understood it as 6B/corp/month. They understood it as 6B/month. Either way, this post would still have been made at the same time. We (the directorship of M. along with the membership) felt it did not matter the amount, it was a slap in the face whether it be 6 (six) ISK or 6B ISK.
4 - We did not have an appointment, more like an offer to join the TS and discuss. We did think of this, and the OP pressed the Post button just prior to us stating "hold off a sec, let's go talk with Seleene ... dam!"
We do not wish any ill-will to our buddies over in MC, we wish that we prove ourselves to be worthy adversaries if we come toe-to-toe in space.
As for BoB ... Did you expect us to roll over and be whipped like your other pets and allies have done thus far?
Smacktalk Specialization Lvl 5
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Avon
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.10.11 17:08:00 -
[828]
Edited by: Avon on 11/10/2007 17:12:07
Originally by: Helen Epic thread so far I just wanna shout out to my homies in BoB, Cass get me the uber sekrit BoB plans for world domination and Star Wolf go jump off a cliff.
Since you asked so nicely
Unadded: maybe not :P
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
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Kurt Armstrong
Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.10.11 17:12:00 -
[829]
Nice move
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Helen
MASS Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service
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Posted - 2007.10.11 17:14:00 -
[830]
Originally by: Avon Edited by: Avon on 11/10/2007 17:12:07
Originally by: Helen Epic thread so far I just wanna shout out to my homies in BoB, Cass get me the uber sekrit BoB plans for world domination and Star Wolf go jump off a cliff.
Since you asked so nicely
Unadded: maybe not :P
I see what u did there.
First pod pilot to lose a Mothership in EvE... err woo |
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Erik Amirault
Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.11 17:16:00 -
[831]
What's funny about this thread is that all the BoB forum morans have run off to spout their BS on sCrapheap (a poorly moderated alliance propaganda machine). I guess they got tired of people telling them their opinions were stupid in public (they are stupid).
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Joeyboy
Repo Industries
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Posted - 2007.10.11 17:17:00 -
[832]
So another BOB Pets flips and becomes a Goon Pet?
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Jags
Minmatar M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.11 17:19:00 -
[833]
Originally by: Darcuese stuff
Still a **** as always Darcuese.
We dont forget those that **** us over. You are second only to NightmareX
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Groox
Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.10.11 17:20:00 -
[834]
Seeing all this drama I have a feeling that phrase "6 bil. offer" will have very strong secondary meaning in future on this board.
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Darcuese
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.10.11 17:21:00 -
[835]
Edited by: Darcuese on 11/10/2007 17:27:59
Originally by: Jags
Originally by: Darcuese stuff
Still a **** as always Darcuese.
We dont forget those that **** us over. You are second only to NightmareX
hahaha. oh man. Thank you for this.
How did little "I" >put here some nasty words< you over?
Ah yes. After trying to talk some sence to Velios about talking face to face to oher 5 ceo's before engaging those talks behind backs with RA....and then just left corp and told others what backstabbing tactic in gloves is used by those apperantly friends me, myself and I ------> |
bulabuba
Gallente Klima Galactic
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Posted - 2007.10.11 17:22:00 -
[836]
Meh.
This really shouldn't come as a suprise to anyone who remembers when the OP was the "official spokesman" for ASCN on these forums.
Look, BoB's model of empire building is that a core of elite PvPers take space by force, own it, and rent it to residents who aren't so good at taking space by force themselves. Better or worse, that's their model. Seems like the OP isn't philosophically opposed to that model (since he threw in with BoB in the first place) except when it is applied to him. Boo f'n hoo. In BoB's model, you don't rate as an ally (someone who has proven that they can take and hold their own space). You got some space on MC's coat-tails, and you couldn't hold it. That classes you as a resident in their model. In their model, residents pay rent. You knew that before you threw in with them. To act hurt and offended now is more than a little hypocritical. Bottom line is that these are the guys who ran you out of Feyth in the first place, so not really natural allies, I'd say. This move is hardly a suprise.
So, go join the other guys. Their model is egalitarian. Any old somebody can join in because their model of empire building is based on a Mongolian horde (no offense intended to any Mongolians reading along) of not-so-elites. As long as the game mechanics give these tactics some weight, they may stand a chance, but don't count on it. In February they had lots of momentum and looked to be unstoppable. Nine months later they look a lot more stoppable, and time is not on their side.
At any rate, good luck. If this doesn't work out any better for you than your last two incarnations, you can always turn-coat again. Take care, though. As the old saying goes, if you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything. -----------------------------------------------
Are GoonSwarm ever going to be allowed to build up in any way in 0.0 space again? No.
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Alice Cholmondeley
I Am Legend
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Posted - 2007.10.11 17:24:00 -
[837]
Originally by: Erik Amirault What's funny about this thread is that all the BoB forum morans have run off to spout their BS on sCrapheap (a poorly moderated alliance propaganda machine). I guess they got tired of people telling them their opinions were stupid in public (they are stupid).
You're a really bad poster. Tbh, Goons usually don't seem bitter (except for some of the rogue pubbies) but for some reason you do. |
Erik Amirault
Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.11 17:26:00 -
[838]
Elite PVPers? Mongolian Horde? Don't ever post again.
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Avon
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.10.11 17:28:00 -
[839]
Originally by: Alice Cholmondeley
Originally by: Erik Amirault What's funny about this thread is that all the BoB forum morans have run off to spout their BS on sCrapheap (a poorly moderated alliance propaganda machine). I guess they got tired of people telling them their opinions were stupid in public (they are stupid).
You're a really bad poster. Tbh, Goons usually don't seem bitter (except for some of the rogue pubbies) but for some reason you do.
Don't be mean, I liked the irony of that post. I'm sure it was intentional. Or maybe I am just being a stupid moran?
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
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Vyres
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.11 17:30:00 -
[840]
Edited by: Vyres on 11/10/2007 17:31:23
Originally by: Erik Amirault What's funny about this thread is that all the BoB forum morans have run off to spout their BS on sCrapheap (a poorly moderated alliance propaganda machine). I guess they got tired of people telling them their opinions were stupid in public (they are stupid).
yeah... ok some one had an argy moment besides everyone knows goonfleet is a bunch of idiots anyway myself included.
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Martin Mckenna
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.10.11 17:30:00 -
[841]
What ****. Good to see you going your own way.
Good on ya!
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Erik Amirault
Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.11 17:32:00 -
[842]
Originally by: Vyres
Originally by: Erik Amirault What's funny about this thread is that all the BoB forum morans have run off to spout their BS on sCrapheap (a poorly moderated alliance propaganda machine). I guess they got tired of people telling them their opinions were stupid in public (they are stupid).
yeah... ok some one had an argy moment.
There's a little Arghy in all of us :)
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McGin
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.10.11 17:33:00 -
[843]
GL Fellas
R.I.P [D00M]-Spawny Always In Our Hearts |
Levka
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.10.11 17:34:00 -
[844]
Avon, i'll join you in this 2 man war against the world on the forums. Well, at least till 5pm my time, thats when my work day is over.
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Zuntzu
Gallente Old and tired miners
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Posted - 2007.10.11 17:36:00 -
[845]
Having listened to Mpire pilots complain endlessly about Goons and RA aka the Red Gimp now they join sides with them.
To an outside observer I think that there is so much bull and politics on this thread that no one outside a very few will ever know the truth for sure.
I think I will stay quietly playing my own game and avoid all the petty politics that seem central to this thread that way I wont have to put up with all the smack in local the Lagfests etc
I expect I will still see Mpire pilots pirating in low sec in their motherships and not fighting in 0.0 though was funny seeing them lose one too :)
Good luck to all I hope you manage to enjoy this game for what it is a game!
/me goes back to mining and manufacturing stuffs
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Brobuck
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.11 17:38:00 -
[846]
Originally by: Clay101 Did you expect us to roll over and be whipped like your other pets and allies have done thus far?
Yes, yes they did. Please look at the RISE model. Barring your quiet acquiescence, at least don't bring it up on the forums...someone might read it and start thinking for themselves.
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Kalkin84
STK Scientific M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.11 17:45:00 -
[847]
eye ♥ Helen
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Zuberi
Minmatar M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.11 17:45:00 -
[848]
Edited by: Zuberi on 11/10/2007 17:45:13 I feel that it is important to point out at this time that the mongol horde were the pvp elite. They pushed the inexperienced peasants they conquered out ahead of them as a meatshield.
I don't think that there is much else that can be added to this thread.
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Meleia
Satanic Red
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Posted - 2007.10.11 17:46:00 -
[849]
To M.PIRE: Dont wanna pay 6 bil/month? Just say no and move on? Why join the ppl you have fought for so long? It dosnt make sense to me.
To BOB: You guys are Elite PVPers, but omg do you suck in politics and diplomacy.
"But, the psychiatrist adds that griefers could also just be mentally ill, whether they're depressed, have a psychotic disorder, or substance abuse problems." |
Captain Irregardless
Gallente Octavian Vanguard
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Posted - 2007.10.11 17:46:00 -
[850]
Originally by: Avon
The truth of the situation, however, would not reflect so well on you. Now, I could reveal those juicy bits, but I doubt it would make much difference. You would deny it, or try to spin it .. and the audience doesn't want to hear it anyway, they
Hey guys...guys...there's secret bits that we don't know about all this. Avon can't tell us. But trust him, it would totally change our opinions and bob wouldn't look like ****s anymore.
IF ONLY HE COULD REVEAL THEM! CRUEL FATES THAT HE CAN'T!
Uh huh.
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Vily
Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.10.11 17:47:00 -
[851]
to the M.Pire guys...
we'll miss ya ;(
sorry to see you go. -
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Lowa
Gallente North Star Networks Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.10.11 17:50:00 -
[852]
Ok, wtf just happened? I'm away for a single day and there is a 31 page thread? There has not even been a 31 page thread for ages.
Anywho... GL M.PIRE, have fun and do your own thing! As usual!
Cheers, Lowa
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Hasan Rachid
Minmatar Madhatters Inc. M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.11 17:53:00 -
[853]
Originally by: Sha4d13 Some rubbish
get thee to CAOD cleaner Alt
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M0535
M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.11 17:57:00 -
[854]
Originally by: Meleia To M.PIRE: Dont wanna pay 6 bil/month? Just say no and move on? Why join the ppl you have fought for so long? It dosnt make sense to me.
To BOB: You guys are Elite PVPers, but omg do you suck in politics and diplomacy.
1- Why not, it's just a game. Most people play for fun -------
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Lucas Malbranque
STK Scientific M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.11 17:59:00 -
[855]
Originally by: Captain Irregardless
Originally by: Avon
The truth of the situation, however, would not reflect so well on you. Now, I could reveal those juicy bits, but I doubt it would make much difference. You would deny it, or try to spin it .. and the audience doesn't want to hear it anyway, they
Hey guys...guys...there's secret bits that we don't know about all this. Avon can't tell us. But trust him, it would totally change our opinions and bob wouldn't look like ****s anymore.
IF ONLY HE COULD REVEAL THEM! CRUEL FATES THAT HE CAN'T!
Uh huh.
you get a cookie.
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C0CK KN0CKER
Mail Order Russian Brides
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Posted - 2007.10.11 17:59:00 -
[856]
I bet that muppet Chowdown was behind the whole get them to pay to help us, i remember looking for him during fights with LV, he seemed to disappear, only particpating in ganks.
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Sacul
Wreckless Abandon Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.10.11 17:59:00 -
[857]
No No Mr. Tomcat! Not untill i say the following. Good move on M.pires part and for what its worth i have new found respect for you guys.
Maybe Fade has good stars and we can invade Fountain together
Anyway i'd rather shoot u so good luck and enjoy the game.
The stone age didn't end because we ran out of stones!
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Plague Rexus
Gallente D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.10.11 18:00:00 -
[858]
Respect to you guys, go your own way and have fun doing it. It can be done, we know.
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Ace Frehley
Minmatar Trinity Nova KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.11 18:03:00 -
[859]
Oh well, people may have thoughts about Velios, but never poke an old grumpy man when he sleeps Must say it was a bit supprising, even if I had a feeling that 1 of those "new north" was gonna turn side. But i was guessin on Fatal, but they disbannded isntead. Oh well lets see if thisa wake up call for Uhm "GBC" as it is nicly called these days. Maybe time to take some fresh air and get new perspective, it is not 2006 . Wounder how long -Y- will survive and then the "new old north" can make a new attack. They are stronger then ever. Just 1 thing, Bob says they take space atm, counting that -Y- is loosin is not part of GBC i guess. so why still help them if they dont count you? Ah maybe dont paying rent?
Oh well GL M.pire btw, if you have a spare capship who you dont need, please give it to me
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DevelDraic
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Posted - 2007.10.11 18:08:00 -
[860]
Edited by: DevelDraic on 11/10/2007 18:10:51 Signed lets party JT DevelDraic M.corp
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Maria Fire
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Posted - 2007.10.11 18:10:00 -
[861]
Originally by: Meleia To M.PIRE: Dont wanna pay 6 bil/month? Just say no and move on? Why join the ppl you have fought for so long? It dosnt make sense to me.
I'll attempt a serious answer to this one. If you want to live in 0.0 these day you have to choose sides. There are no neutrals in this conflict.
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Pesadel0
Ordem dos Templarios
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Posted - 2007.10.11 18:12:00 -
[862]
Good luck.
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Cassius Hawkeye
Minmatar Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.10.11 18:27:00 -
[863]
Edited by: Cassius Hawkeye on 11/10/2007 18:28:11 As long as i've been around M Corp have always been blue to me. This will be weird.
Always really liked M.Corp - that time i was in gang with you guys to win the Hel for that event is still the no 1 thing i've done in eve so far.
But as already stated - it's only a game - just a shame it couldn't be sorted another way.
Best of luck to Vel & Co. -----------------------------------------
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Kamenwati
The Corpse Collectors
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Posted - 2007.10.11 18:33:00 -
[864]
And BoB executive leadership miscalculates yet again.
Over and over again on a strategic level they seem to be going out of their way to ensure losing this war. To be brutally honest, it really doesnÆt matter how well BoB pilots fight, or how well their fleets are commanded, when their strategic level leadership consistently makes idiotic decisions such as this.
On the ropes and fighting for your life? Hey, letÆs annoy one of the few alliances still willing to fight with us to the point of them switching sides! WeÆll offer to rent space out to them at a rate so moronically high that it would insult a pirate! TheyÆll get so ****ed that weÆll create a new enemy! Yeah, thatÆs a great idea!
Only a BoB-like level of arrogance would have come up with such a moronic plan.
The only question left now is if MC is going to save themselves, or go down in flames with a BoB executive leadership that has proven itself to be utterly inept. Either way, this war is over.
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Davlin Lotze
STK Scientific M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.11 18:38:00 -
[865]
Kind of unfortunate how things worked out vs. MC. There were alot of people who enjoyed\looked forward to continuing that association.
Everything that needs to be said has been said and all the expected spin has failed :)
So it's time to get on with things.
oh, and /signed ^^
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Gungankllr
Caldari STK Scientific M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.11 18:40:00 -
[866]
Originally by: Kamenwati
Either way, this war is over.
Not by a long shot. Don't delude yourself into thinking it will be a simple thing taking out BoB.
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Lube Myholes
Nekkid Inc.
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Posted - 2007.10.11 18:45:00 -
[867]
/me awaits the thread when the HC of BOB declares that they all have to leave EVE for RL issues and pulling an Mitch Taylor
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Kamenwati
The Corpse Collectors
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Posted - 2007.10.11 18:48:00 -
[868]
Originally by: Gungankllr Not by a long shot. Don't delude yourself into thinking it will be a simple thing taking out BoB.
I didn't say it would be simple. Battles will be won and lost, POS's destroyed, outposts taken, in other words it still needs to be actually done, but strategically the outcome is a foregone conclusion.
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niroshido
Caldari M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.11 18:49:00 -
[869]
Originally by: Vily to the M.Pire guys...
we'll miss ya ;(
sorry to see you go.
lol vily i guess i will be loosing my ships to u again yahey!, lol i'll nvr forget
also lemme make a statement right now
MPIRE's choice for turning againt BOB isnt purely bout having to pay 6bn lets get that straight right now ok (but yes it was a catalyst along with being locked out of stations away from the frontlines meaning it would take MPIRE longer to reinforce themselves) but BOB have stood as a powerblock for years and now, only now does BOB feel under threat being forced into moving the frontlines away from goon since they are incapable of maintaining a proper foothold there, they instead allow there meatshield to hold the fort for them. There arrogant attitude from there forum **oring frenzy during the ASCN conflict, to there everyday attitude in local, to this stunt has only furthered BOB's name by being a bunch of a**hats. What do you expect, i think the idea behind allies eludes BOB
allies work on a mutual basis where they help eachother to achieve the same goal, with respect to eachother.
and then ofc BOB's view of allies
a source of income to afford future wars at the expense of smaller alliances to achieve domination over EVE.
all alliances (apart from FIX really) here have one thing in common, they aim to achieve there own goals, and cooperate with eachother to achieve these said goals.
BOB had friends but there attitude towards this concept has put a nail in there own coffin.
as for the BOBBITS who have posted alot here, ur posts make me question this:'AWW SWEET MORE TARGETS!' sort of attitude
surely ye would be delighted to have more reds on overview
i will admit this right now i was a fan of BOB, i admired there strength and seemenly endless endurance. But 'working' closer to them puts my opinions in conflict
(look guys no alt)
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Talos Darkhart
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Posted - 2007.10.11 18:51:00 -
[870]
Originally by: Andargor theWise
Originally by: WrathOfOprah Better to die on your feet than live on your knees.
This.
So when are you asking aaa to stop proping you guys up?
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Flame Bait
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Posted - 2007.10.11 18:52:00 -
[871]
Bottom line, if BoB wanna charge their pets 6bill per corp/month to help them, then so be it. They have proved themselves time and again. It probably was Chowdown who came up with the idea.... lol, chowdown, makes me think of an individual who lives a loney life in the woods and smokes monkey pole.
I suppose it could be Stan, as anyone that names themselves after a ******** cartoon clearly has ego issues, I bet that pineapple inserter doesnt even use lube with his donkey, or if he does it has grit in it.
As for Lallante, just look at his webpage - www.thisisnotsexy.com
I do like BoB, just not the egotistical cinnamon ring lickers that they have picked up on the way.
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wicked cheese
Eth3real Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.10.11 19:03:00 -
[872]
we didnt want that alliance anyways?
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Gorjer
Itto-Ryu
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Posted - 2007.10.11 19:04:00 -
[873]
Originally by: Flame Bait Bottom line, if BoB wanna charge their pets 6bill per corp/month to help them, then so be it. They have proved themselves time and again. It probably was Chowdown who came up with the idea.... lol, chowdown, makes me think of an individual who lives a loney life in the woods and smokes monkey pole.
I suppose it could be Stan, as anyone that names themselves after a ******** cartoon clearly has ego issues, I bet that pineapple inserter doesnt even use lube with his donkey, or if he does it has grit in it.
As for Lallante, just look at his webpage - www.thisisnotsexy.com
I do like BoB, just not the egotistical cinnamon ring lickers that they have picked up on the way.
I like lall leave him alone, plus he wouldnt do that.... hi lall!
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Jhyme
Amarr Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.11 19:08:00 -
[874]
Summary of this thread:
M.Pire announces they will be independent from BoB after stating a few facts.
First 1-17 pages: Praise and respect from the eve community. MC shows respect and good luck. M.Pire members /signing.
Pages 18-28: BoB Troll alts arrive (marakor, Maximillian Bayonette, Alice Cholmondeley, etc) and start flaming, posting many times. Highlight of the troll was when Fire Hawk was about to post on one of his alt the following message
Originally by: Fire Hawk To be really honest, I flew a lot with you M.Corp, specially in The Five and I have to say, your blue/good/friend/stuff standings has no value at all.
And then edited as
Originally by: Fire Hawk
oops, wrong char :(
Obviously revealing BoB's tactic of alt posting as neutral bystanders.
Pages 29 - Now: Some main BoB chars arrive, trying to spin the story and say that they didn't really want to charge 6 billion a month even though there were timestamped chat logs on multiple other forums that provide direct evidence against this.
In short, M.Pire decided enough is enough. They aren't joining goonswarm, they are just becoming allied with all the forces in the eve community that are fighting BoB. And I want to reemphasize to all abused BoB pets that you should do this too, and then after BoB dies you can kill the masses of obnoxious, bug-brained, goons to your heart content-- but without paying billions each month!
Regards, Jhyme
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Director Stoned
Band of Developers
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Posted - 2007.10.11 19:10:00 -
[875]
I don't understand what all the fus is about, BOB still has the backing of the DEV's and MC so they can do whatever they like. stinky little alliances like m.pire dont even factor in.
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FireAnt
Caldari Wings of the Storm
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Posted - 2007.10.11 19:29:00 -
[876]
bob charging the usual amount for a contellation and not hurrying to get station rights for alliance who was in talks with the biggest idiot alliance in eve(goons)proves they are not worthy allies to bob and friends.
Lets get this straight, this isnt about money or docking rights with bob. m.pire is leaving alot more blues than just bob. they are screwing over mc, fix, rise, rmf, exe, dl, em, and others than fight against the goons.
if they went and became a independent alliance for awhile or just went to empire and didnt turn on old friends all would be fine. but joining the goons is a slap in the face to your old friends.
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Cippalippus Primus
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.11 19:32:00 -
[877]
Edited by: Cippalippus Primus on 11/10/2007 19:31:57 after bob is dead, eve will be a nicer place to live with a lot of pew pew and less smack. M. Pire is another valuable ally in our victorious march towards Delve.
Also, Goons have been ratting in Delve for quite a long time, do we need to pay rent to BoB now?
edit: :page32snypa:
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FireAnt
Caldari Wings of the Storm
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Posted - 2007.10.11 19:35:00 -
[878]
Originally by: Cippalippus Primus Edited by: Cippalippus Primus on 11/10/2007 19:31:57 after bob is dead, eve will be a nicer place to live with a lot of pew pew and less smack. M. Pire is another valuable ally in our victorious march towards Delve.
Also, Goons have been ratting in Delve for quite a long time, do we need to pay rent to BoB now?
edit: :page32snypa:
"Less smack" have you ever read the posts by your corp and alliance mates?
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NATMav
F.R.E.E. Explorer Atrum Tempestas Foedus
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Posted - 2007.10.11 19:37:00 -
[879]
Now that I've finally reached the end of this thread, I have to say, my first impression was:
"Who HASN'T ratted in Delve lately?"
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Nytemaster
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.10.11 19:38:00 -
[880]
Edited by: Nytemaster on 11/10/2007 19:46:07
Originally by: Coranor I really don't know what you expected gungan.
Seriously you give up in the north all of a sudden(without even losing a station btw) and by the next day nearly you show up and start mining in delve of all places. You leave your allies in the north hanging and expect us to reward you for it. Nah, that costs 6 bill a month no matter how you look at it(its just 6 bill btw, not per corp at all)
Now I was quite happy for you guys to move down and shoot stuff up with us. I was quite happy for you guys to take a little chunk of space for yourselves(your own space, no rent no oversight no interference from us) once you'd put the work in as most of us were. But your guys seem to think that it should all be handed to you on a plate.
The fact that your directors found out that they wouldn't be handed whatever they wanted meant that they decided to run and have a chat with sesfan(Yeah we got the logs). Now i got no hard feelings about that. You do whats best for your alliances and your corps but you can't claim the omg loyalty card here.
Bottom line is that you were out for yourselves here. There was never any loyalty to either us or even MC, the guys who set you up in the north. You bailed on fatal and cow, knowing that they couldn't hold the area on their own, without even having to try and defend one of your stations and you ran down south expecting to be welcomed with open arms by one side or the other.
You were an honest guy when you were in bnc mate. Hell even in ascn you were the man in their leadership that was spending his time helping his alliance instead of trying to demonise us. Now is not the time to buck the trend of a lifetime.
And who exactly is BoB loyal to? You ask them to pay, they refuse. They get to choose what side of the sandbox they want to play in. You can't ***** now.
Edit: I think BoB should pay their pets 6b month to show their loyalty.
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Digicomm
101st Space Marine Force
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Posted - 2007.10.11 19:45:00 -
[881]
Ok, so let me get this straight. Cause there seems to be alot of bull**** going around.
m.pire leaves the north to let thier allies Cow/Fatal/YouWhat to fend for themselves, they come back to BoB and and say okay we've fought enough now, we wanna stay with you guys for awhile and chill and help you shoot the****s in the south.
BoB says yeah sure its gonna cost you 6b/mo if you want a region tho, MC pipes in and says yeah even if you dont wanna pay that you can even have an npc station by us for nuthin.
A few STK guys are like OMG Im so broke I only have 4b in my wallet, I be doin some Delve rattin, ya here me BOB!!! **** BOBs DELVE, this is me home now m8. pip pip...
An Hour later STK announces to m.pire they have been locked out of stations <insert emo rant> and BoB hates them from ASCN days, cry sniff cry, emo tearz...
<<M.pire go WTF 42b?!?! NPC station?!?! WTF unuh no fecking way...>>
STK rings up Gil Drillerson from Darkskin1 and says hey ole buddy, we used to share VNG-J in ASCN 'member, yeah you FoFF'd and left me high and dry to defend a station alone but can you help me again?!
Gil says... FUT Yeah bro let me get Stesfag in on teh convo LOL
Stesfag says, uhg its STK but yeah I suppose we could give you a spot up here we wont charge you 6b or nuthin *sniker* we might make you mine us Ice fgts. rofl. You have to shoot people tho...
STK guy says, OMFG!!1 thats a sweet awesome deal, mind if I ask m.corp and the alliance to come as well that sounds sweet! We sure <3 u gonnies, you pwn.
Gil Says, ROFL yeah dude LOL, come on up...we'll have plenty of fun when you get here. ROFL.
MC get wind of STK m.pire traitors and ban m.pire from gangs but keep them as blue, M.pire guys are like WTF you are meh friends why you no let me in gangs MC, we shoot same stuff you shoot.
M.pire leave Delve and say, **** YOU BOB U SUCK, we no friend no more, we be goonies biatches now, take your 42B and shove it. Where so outta here.
BoB guy says,'Uh, I said 6b ******', where did you get 42b from LOL...idiot.
M.pire guys says, haha u suck, we no like you anyways.
Great leaders there m.pire, you've all been lied to. All because ASCN wants to reunite under failswarm. ROFL.
Next thing you know Invictus and CLS will merge and join goons too.
CYVOK FOR PREZ!
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Helen
MASS Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service
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Posted - 2007.10.11 19:47:00 -
[882]
Originally by: Digicomm
alt rant against stk
Lord Xsiv is that you?
First pod pilot to lose a Mothership in EvE... err woo |
Nlewis
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.11 19:50:00 -
[883]
Originally by: Digicomm Ok, so let me get this straight. Cause there seems to be alot of bull**** going around.
m.pire leaves the north to let thier allies Cow/Fatal/YouWhat to fend for themselves, they come back to BoB and and say okay we've fought enough now, we wanna stay with you guys for awhile and chill and help you shoot the****s in the south.
BoB says yeah sure its gonna cost you 6b/mo if you want a region tho, MC pipes in and says yeah even if you dont wanna pay that you can even have an npc station by us for nuthin.
A few STK guys are like OMG Im so broke I only have 4b in my wallet, I be doin some Delve rattin, ya here me BOB!!! **** BOBs DELVE, this is me home now m8. pip pip...
An Hour later STK announces to m.pire they have been locked out of stations <insert emo rant> and BoB hates them from ASCN days, cry sniff cry, emo tearz...
<<M.pire go WTF 42b?!?! NPC station?!?! WTF unuh no fecking way...>>
STK rings up Gil Drillerson from Darkskin1 and says hey ole buddy, we used to share VNG-J in ASCN 'member, yeah you FoFF'd and left me high and dry to defend a station alone but can you help me again?!
Gil says... FUT Yeah bro let me get Stesfag in on teh convo LOL
Stesfag says, uhg its STK but yeah I suppose we could give you a spot up here we wont charge you 6b or nuthin *sniker* we might make you mine us Ice fgts. rofl. You have to shoot people tho...
STK guy says, OMFG!!1 thats a sweet awesome deal, mind if I ask m.corp and the alliance to come as well that sounds sweet! We sure <3 u gonnies, you pwn.
Gil Says, ROFL yeah dude LOL, come on up...we'll have plenty of fun when you get here. ROFL.
MC get wind of STK m.pire traitors and ban m.pire from gangs but keep them as blue, M.pire guys are like WTF you are meh friends why you no let me in gangs MC, we shoot same stuff you shoot.
M.pire leave Delve and say, **** YOU BOB U SUCK, we no friend no more, we be goonies biatches now, take your 42B and shove it. Where so outta here.
BoB guy says,'Uh, I said 6b ******', where did you get 42b from LOL...idiot.
M.pire guys says, haha u suck, we no like you anyways.
Great leaders there m.pire, you've all been lied to. All because ASCN wants to reunite under failswarm. ROFL.
Next thing you know Invictus and CLS will merge and join goons too.
CYVOK FOR PREZ!
Damn dude. Learn to type.
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Vladimir Tinakin
Caldari Hadean Drive Yards Archaean Cooperative
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Posted - 2007.10.11 19:50:00 -
[884]
Originally by: Digicomm Ok, so let me get this straight. Cause there seems to be alot of bull**** going around.
m.pire leaves the north to let thier allies Cow/Fatal/YouWhat to fend for themselves, they come back to BoB and and say okay we've fought enough now, we wanna stay with you guys for awhile and chill and help you shoot the****s in the south.
BoB says yeah sure its gonna cost you 6b/mo if you want a region tho, MC pipes in and says yeah even if you dont wanna pay that you can even have an npc station by us for nuthin.
A few STK guys are like OMG Im so broke I only have 4b in my wallet, I be doin some Delve rattin, ya here me BOB!!! **** BOBs DELVE, this is me home now m8. pip pip...
An Hour later STK announces to m.pire they have been locked out of stations <insert emo rant> and BoB hates them from ASCN days, cry sniff cry, emo tearz...
<<M.pire go WTF 42b?!?! NPC station?!?! WTF unuh no fecking way...>>
STK rings up Gil Drillerson from Darkskin1 and says hey ole buddy, we used to share VNG-J in ASCN 'member, yeah you FoFF'd and left me high and dry to defend a station alone but can you help me again?!
Gil says... FUT Yeah bro let me get Stesfag in on teh convo LOL
Stesfag says, uhg its STK but yeah I suppose we could give you a spot up here we wont charge you 6b or nuthin *sniker* we might make you mine us Ice fgts. rofl. You have to shoot people tho...
STK guy says, OMFG!!1 thats a sweet awesome deal, mind if I ask m.corp and the alliance to come as well that sounds sweet! We sure <3 u gonnies, you pwn.
Gil Says, ROFL yeah dude LOL, come on up...we'll have plenty of fun when you get here. ROFL.
MC get wind of STK m.pire traitors and ban m.pire from gangs but keep them as blue, M.pire guys are like WTF you are meh friends why you no let me in gangs MC, we shoot same stuff you shoot.
M.pire leave Delve and say, **** YOU BOB U SUCK, we no friend no more, we be goonies biatches now, take your 42B and shove it. Where so outta here.
BoB guy says,'Uh, I said 6b ******', where did you get 42b from LOL...idiot.
M.pire guys says, haha u suck, we no like you anyways.
Great leaders there m.pire, you've all been lied to. All because ASCN wants to reunite under failswarm. ROFL.
Next thing you know Invictus and CLS will merge and join goons too.
CYVOK FOR PREZ!
Digi, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this forum is now dumber for having read it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul. |
Marcuis
Caldari M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.11 20:02:00 -
[885]
Originally by: Digicomm Ok, so let me get this straight. Cause there seems to be alot of bull**** going around.
m.pire leaves the north to let thier allies Cow/Fatal/YouWhat to fend for themselves, they come back to BoB and and say okay we've fought enough now, we wanna stay with you guys for awhile and chill and help you shoot the****s in the south.
BoB says yeah sure its gonna cost you 6b/mo if you want a region tho, MC pipes in and says yeah even if you dont wanna pay that you can even have an npc station by us for nuthin.
A few STK guys are like OMG Im so broke I only have 4b in my wallet, I be doin some Delve rattin, ya here me BOB!!! **** BOBs DELVE, this is me home now m8. pip pip...
An Hour later STK announces to m.pire they have been locked out of stations <insert emo rant> and BoB hates them from ASCN days, cry sniff cry, emo tearz...
<<M.pire go WTF 42b?!?! NPC station?!?! WTF unuh no fecking way...>>
STK rings up Gil Drillerson from Darkskin1 and says hey ole buddy, we used to share VNG-J in ASCN 'member, yeah you FoFF'd and left me high and dry to defend a station alone but can you help me again?!
Gil says... FUT Yeah bro let me get Stesfag in on teh convo LOL
Stesfag says, uhg its STK but yeah I suppose we could give you a spot up here we wont charge you 6b or nuthin *sniker* we might make you mine us Ice fgts. rofl. You have to shoot people tho...
STK guy says, OMFG!!1 thats a sweet awesome deal, mind if I ask m.corp and the alliance to come as well that sounds sweet! We sure <3 u gonnies, you pwn.
Gil Says, ROFL yeah dude LOL, come on up...we'll have plenty of fun when you get here. ROFL.
MC get wind of STK m.pire traitors and ban m.pire from gangs but keep them as blue, M.pire guys are like WTF you are meh friends why you no let me in gangs MC, we shoot same stuff you shoot.
M.pire leave Delve and say, **** YOU BOB U SUCK, we no friend no more, we be goonies biatches now, take your 42B and shove it. Where so outta here.
BoB guy says,'Uh, I said 6b ******', where did you get 42b from LOL...idiot.
M.pire guys says, haha u suck, we no like you anyways.
Great leaders there m.pire, you've all been lied to. All because ASCN wants to reunite under failswarm. ROFL.
Next thing you know Invictus and CLS will merge and join goons too.
CYVOK FOR PREZ!
umm Digicomm mate where hell you been for the last 6months but your right on one thing is the alot of bull**** goin and your post is one of themm if your yoin post somthing make sure it f.uc.king true......
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Svetlanna
The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.10.11 20:05:00 -
[886]
AHAHA this is beautiful!
And the bobbits keep posting about how they do not rent or charge anything to their pets for space!
LOL @ bobbits, really! Caught!
Respect to M.PIRE for waking up. Make them pay twice what they took from you.
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Havras
The Syndicate Inc
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Posted - 2007.10.11 20:05:00 -
[887]
Originally by: FireAnt
Lets get this straight, this isnt about money or docking rights with bob. m.pire is leaving alot more blues than just bob. they are screwing over mc, fix, rise, rmf, exe, dl, em, and others than fight against the goons.
Yeah.. because all those guys were eager and ready to race up and help M.Pire against the ongoing assault of BKG right? Oh wait.. BoB didnt go up there... Fix didn't go up there... RMF, EXE, Rise didn't go up there.
But wait! Let us not point out things like that... and lets ignore BOB demanding that an ally who was doing down to help them pay for the priviledge... of course it couldn't be that BOB has just gotten so arrogant that they actually believe it should be a priviledge to pay them to fight.
Quote: If an advisor says to me "My liege, he is but one man. What can one man possibly do?", I will reply "This." and kill the advisor.
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Grimpak
Gallente Trinity Nova KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.11 20:05:00 -
[888]
Originally by: Helen
Originally by: Digicomm
alt rant against stk
Lord Xsiv is that you?
magic 8-ball sez: abso-****in-lutely. ---
planetary interaction idea! |
niroshido
Caldari M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.11 20:07:00 -
[889]
Originally by: Digicomm Ok, so let me get this straight. Cause there seems to be alot of bull**** going around.
m.pire leaves the north to let thier allies Cow/Fatal/YouWhat to fend for themselves, they come back to BoB and and say okay we've fought enough now, we wanna stay with you guys for awhile and chill and help you shoot the****s in the south.
BoB says yeah sure its gonna cost you 6b/mo if you want a region tho, MC pipes in and says yeah even if you dont wanna pay that you can even have an npc station by us for nuthin.
A few STK guys are like OMG Im so broke I only have 4b in my wallet, I be doin some Delve rattin, ya here me BOB!!! **** BOBs DELVE, this is me home now m8. pip pip...
An Hour later STK announces to m.pire they have been locked out of stations <insert emo rant> and BoB hates them from ASCN days, cry sniff cry, emo tearz...
<<M.pire go WTF 42b?!?! NPC station?!?! WTF unuh no fecking way...>>
STK rings up Gil Drillerson from Darkskin1 and says hey ole buddy, we used to share VNG-J in ASCN 'member, yeah you FoFF'd and left me high and dry to defend a station alone but can you help me again?!
Gil says... FUT Yeah bro let me get Stesfag in on teh convo LOL
Stesfag says, uhg its STK but yeah I suppose we could give you a spot up here we wont charge you 6b or nuthin *sniker* we might make you mine us Ice fgts. rofl. You have to shoot people tho...
STK guy says, OMFG!!1 thats a sweet awesome deal, mind if I ask m.corp and the alliance to come as well that sounds sweet! We sure <3 u gonnies, you pwn.
Gil Says, ROFL yeah dude LOL, come on up...we'll have plenty of fun when you get here. ROFL.
MC get wind of STK m.pire traitors and ban m.pire from gangs but keep them as blue, M.pire guys are like WTF you are meh friends why you no let me in gangs MC, we shoot same stuff you shoot.
M.pire leave Delve and say, **** YOU BOB U SUCK, we no friend no more, we be goonies biatches now, take your 42B and shove it. Where so outta here.
BoB guy says,'Uh, I said 6b ******', where did you get 42b from LOL...idiot.
M.pire guys says, haha u suck, we no like you anyways.
Great leaders there m.pire, you've all been lied to. All because ASCN wants to reunite under failswarm. ROFL.
Next thing you know Invictus and CLS will merge and join goons too.
CYVOK FOR PREZ!
god u suck, go back under the rock u crawled out from underneath
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Sku1ly
coracao ardente Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.10.11 20:08:00 -
[890]
I sense much emo in this thread.
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Gungankllr
Caldari STK Scientific M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.11 20:08:00 -
[891]
Not that we all aren't enjoying the circus that this thread has now become with everyone's alts (No idea to this day why people think their alts carry more weight than their mains) but I believe that this thread has served its purpose.
Time to lock the thread, mods.
Sincerely,
GK (original poster)
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Helen
MASS Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service
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Posted - 2007.10.11 20:12:00 -
[892]
Originally by: Gungankllr Not that we all aren't enjoying the circus that this thread has now become with everyone's alts (No idea to this day why people think their alts carry more weight than their mains) but I believe that this thread has served its purpose.
Time to lock the thread, mods.
Sincerely,
GK (original poster)
Send a mail to the mods Gung love.
First pod pilot to lose a Mothership in EvE... err woo |
marakor
Gallente Anti Lag Forum Smackers
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Posted - 2007.10.11 20:13:00 -
[893]
Edited by: marakor on 11/10/2007 20:16:44 Edited by: marakor on 11/10/2007 20:13:43 HEHE i just found my post on the what happens to MPIRE now thread
Originally by: marakor Id say a razor/mm nap and back to branch maybe on the cards as they seem to be getting along and giving each other pats on the bottom about the fighting lol maybe this was the plan all along as fatal had just put up a new outpost and the surrender was not even discussed with them.
Ok i was out by a alliance or so but the basic idea was there and i suppose the BOB offer of a safe-ish system for 6 bil a week gave them the excuse to drop a dolly and say it was all BOB's fault for forcing them to be goon b*tches.
If the PVPERS in MPIRE cannot see they were manipulated by STK and the carebears amoung them so they could get nice safe systems to build their super capitals in then they are dumber than even i thought.
The opinions that i give are the opinions of my corp although my alts opinions may differ as this is my forum smack alt. |
mamolian
M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.11 20:19:00 -
[894]
Originally by: marakor stuff.
Cmon keep posting **** for brains, I'm hitting F5 every few mins in an attempt to snatch post 1000!
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marakor
Gallente Anti Lag Forum Smackers
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Posted - 2007.10.11 20:23:00 -
[895]
Originally by: mamolian
Originally by: marakor HEHE i just found my post on the "what happens to MPIRE now" thread
Originally by: marakor -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Id say a razor/mm nap and back to branch maybe on the cards as they seem to be getting along and giving each other pats on the bottom about the fighting lol maybe this was the plan all along as fatal had just put up a new outpost and the surrender was not even discussed with them. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Ok i was out by a alliance or so but the basic idea was there and i suppose the BOB offer of a safe-ish system for 6 bil a week gave them the excuse to drop a dolly and say it was all BOB's fault for forcing them to be goon b*tches.
If the PVPERS in MPIRE cannot see they were manipulated by STK and the carebears amoung them so they could get nice safe systems to build their super capitals in then they are dumber than even i thought. This has been coming since the titan nerf put allowed the goon blob to actualy work.
Cmon keep posting **** for brains, I'm hitting F5 every few mins in an attempt to snatch post 1000!
wow language please lol.
but hey im not worried the war may change again and you lot will switch sides and say im right again lol
The opinions that i give are the opinions of my corp although my alts opinions may differ as this is my forum smack alt. |
SamuraiJack
Caldari Celestial Horizon Corp. Valainaloce
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Posted - 2007.10.11 20:24:00 -
[896]
Originally by: Digicomm Great leaders there m.pire, you've all been lied to. All because ASCN wants to reunite under failswarm. ROFL.
Next thing you know Invictus and CLS will merge and join goons too.
CYVOK FOR PREZ!
Last time i checked. I run CLS... and i dont recall you being in my head... So...
1) are you Lord Xsiv 2) CLS is under Valainaloce 3) Get back under your bridge.
ps... /me humps Skully. You sexy Beast!
SJ. CLS CEO, Valainloce Executor and Standings Director =-
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SamuraiJack
Caldari Celestial Horizon Corp. Valainaloce
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Posted - 2007.10.11 20:25:00 -
[897]
Originally by: Sku1ly I sense much emo in this thread.
/me humps the great one for T2 Lube Party Justice!
SJ. CLS CEO, Valainloce Executor and Standings Director =-
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Pnuka
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.11 20:27:00 -
[898]
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Akelorian
Caldari Mercenaries of Andosia Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2007.10.11 20:35:00 -
[899]
Good on ya M. Pire!
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Davlin Lotze
STK Scientific M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.11 20:38:00 -
[900]
Originally by: Sku1ly I sense much emo in this thread.
That's because you just got here sexy :D
<3
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Taross
Caldari M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.11 20:49:00 -
[901]
\o/ Very signed, late, but still very signed. :D Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels and filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie |
Don ZOLA
Caldari Omniscient Order Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2007.10.11 20:50:00 -
[902]
considering we use Delve space bit more lately for npcing and getting some victims (no mining, thats just joefishy) and that we plan to expand our usage of it, can someome from BOB tell us what price we should expect, i guess if 6bils is price for good allies, we could make some deal for 10 ? tnx in advance for answer.
and one a more serious note, let your members post with mains BOB, this way they are just looking too stupid, way too biased and if you eve-search their nicks, majority has posts only in bob topics :/. thou if you dont want them to post cuz you dont want them to shine in their stupidity with bob ticker then i guess its understandable thou you should have recruited better :/
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Jacob Majestic
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.11 20:54:00 -
[903]
1000 GET
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Originally by: steamy thank you Hippoking for doing a Jacob on the goons
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Dopple
Utopian Research I.E.L. Hedonistic Imperative
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Posted - 2007.10.11 21:05:00 -
[904]
Doing my part to get too 1000.
Respect for not wanting to be a doormat.
Stick this in your ears. |
Kunikpok Seke
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Posted - 2007.10.11 21:07:00 -
[905]
\signed
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Cefte
Gray Ivy GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.11 21:19:00 -
[906]
Originally by: Zastrow Goonfleet just released their official stance on this development: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=reply&threadID=611554
could you pick me up some stripy legwarmers while you're in 2003 tia
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Cippalippus Primus
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.11 21:22:00 -
[907]
just ignore marakor, I only remove him from the ignore list when I want to read some badly written and poorly thought homoerotic fanfiction, just to remind myself how pathetic he is (he will probably reply to this post too, eh eh).
Welcome aboard m.pire
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marakor
Gallente Anti Lag Forum Smackers
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Posted - 2007.10.11 21:26:00 -
[908]
Originally by: Cippalippus Primus just ignore marakor, I only remove him from the ignore list when I want to read some badly written and poorly thought homoerotic fanfiction, just to remind myself how pathetic he is (he will probably reply to this post too, eh eh).
Welcome aboard m.pire
dun dun duuuun
Nice to see the moron with the blocker he actualy turns off to read what he wants to block is still ******** enough to actualy brag about it. LOL NOW THAT IS WHAT I CALL THE DEFINITION OF PATHETIC AND SELF IMPORTANT.
The opinions that i give are the opinions of my corp although my alts opinions may differ as this is my forum smack alt. |
Death Priest
Stronghold corp The Covenant Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.11 21:26:00 -
[909]
Originally by: Maximillian Bayonette
Originally by: Malachon Draco Huh? The price for switching sides is 6bn? Interesting reading comprehension.
The way I read it, MPire didn't ask for 6bn nor did Goons offer it. It was BoB demanding 6bn isk for 'friendship', whatever the **** that means in their twisted little world. What kind of friend is it if they charge you 6bn a month?
I'd say it is your reading comprehension that is lacking, particularly the "reading between the lines" part. What you are saying is that BoB wanted M.Pire to pay 6 bil a month to stay friends, but that is blatantly untrue. BoB offered a rent deal for a constellation for 6 bil a month. M.Pire could have accepted the deal and inhabit nice space behind the lines. They could have declined the deal and continued to fight, and perhaps get to carve out some space for themselves, maybe even their old LV space. They could have declined the deal and claimed neutrality in lieu of low income due to lack of space. What they chose is instead to ally themselves with their old enemies and turn on all of their friends.
I would have hoped you would have at least understood the "price" part of my post, but I will clear it up for you. BoB wanted 6 bil for a constellation. M.Pire said "No and just for that we're joining Goons". Thus the price for joining Goons was 6 bil.
I am still trying to make my mind up over which BoB alt you really are? can anyone offer hints or guesses NEWSFLASH: CCP remove Amarr and lasers from the game.
All pilots with any AMARR skillpoints will be deleted on 1st of September (They might as well since CCP nerfed them into extinction)
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radaqast
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Posted - 2007.10.11 21:30:00 -
[910]
Revenge is a dish best served cold.
best of luck to yah guys
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Splagada
Minmatar Tides of Silence Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.11 21:32:00 -
[911]
banned is total win ------
Proud Janitor of Tides of Silence
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Murukan
Minmatar Dark Knights of Deneb Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.10.11 21:32:00 -
[912]
Originally by: marakor
Originally by: Cippalippus Primus just ignore marakor, I only remove him from the ignore list when I want to read some badly written and poorly thought homoerotic fanfiction, just to remind myself how pathetic he is (he will probably reply to this post too, eh eh).
Welcome aboard m.pire
dun dun duuuun
Nice to see the moron with the blocker he actualy turns off to read what he wants to block is still ******** enough to actualy brag about it. LOL NOW THAT IS WHAT I CALL THE DEFINITION OF PATHETIC AND SELF IMPORTANT.
do you know how to write a coherent sentence? Gosh you're a ******* idiot aren you not?
Manlove by Zaphod Jones
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dralid
House of Tempers
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Posted - 2007.10.11 21:32:00 -
[913]
Go M.Pire Go !!!!!!! RESPETC baby! Ali Gi is in da house! -- Where do the wild roses grow? |
Martin VanBuren
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.11 21:34:00 -
[914]
It's kind of hard to believe that BoB used to practically run these forums, isn't it?
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marakor
Gallente Anti Lag Forum Smackers
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Posted - 2007.10.11 21:34:00 -
[915]
Originally by: Murukan
Originally by: marakor
Originally by: Cippalippus Primus just ignore marakor, I only remove him from the ignore list when I want to read some badly written and poorly thought homoerotic fanfiction, just to remind myself how pathetic he is (he will probably reply to this post too, eh eh).
Welcome aboard m.pire
dun dun duuuun
Nice to see the moron with the blocker he actualy turns off to read what he wants to block is still ******** enough to actualy brag about it. LOL NOW THAT IS WHAT I CALL THE DEFINITION OF PATHETIC AND SELF IMPORTANT.
do you know how to write a coherent sentence? Gosh you're a ******* idiot aren you not?
If you can read it and understand it then who cares apart from petty ****ers who cannot argue a point apart from a critique on abstract crap.
The opinions that i give are the opinions of my corp although my alts opinions may differ as this is my forum smack alt. |
dralid
House of Tempers
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Posted - 2007.10.11 21:36:00 -
[916]
Originally by: marakor
Originally by: Murukan
Originally by: marakor
Originally by: Cippalippus Primus just ignore marakor, I only remove him from the ignore list when I want to read some badly written and poorly thought homoerotic fanfiction, just to remind myself how pathetic he is (he will probably reply to this post too, eh eh).
Welcome aboard m.pire
dun dun duuuun
Nice to see the moron with the blocker he actualy turns off to read what he wants to block is still ******** enough to actualy brag about it. LOL NOW THAT IS WHAT I CALL THE DEFINITION OF PATHETIC AND SELF IMPORTANT.
do you know how to write a coherent sentence? Gosh you're a ******* idiot aren you not?
If you can read it and understand it then who cares apart from petty ****ers w ho cannot argue a point apart from a critique on abstract crap.
BoB Alt Alert! -- Where do the wild roses grow? |
marakor
Gallente Anti Lag Forum Smackers
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Posted - 2007.10.11 21:38:00 -
[917]
Originally by: dralid
Originally by: marakor
Originally by: Murukan
Originally by: marakor
Originally by: Cippalippus Primus just ignore marakor, I only remove him from the ignore list when I want to read some badly written and poorly thought homoerotic fanfiction, just to remind myself how pathetic he is (he will probably reply to this post too, eh eh).
Welcome aboard m.pire
dun dun duuuun
Nice to see the moron with the blocker he actualy turns off to read what he wants to block is still ******** enough to actualy brag about it. LOL NOW THAT IS WHAT I CALL THE DEFINITION OF PATHETIC AND SELF IMPORTANT.
do you know how to write a coherent sentence? Gosh you're a ******* idiot aren you not?
If you can read it and understand it then who cares apart from petty ****ers w ho cannot argue a point apart from a critique on abstract crap.
BoB Alt Alert!
Actualy i am an equal oportunity troll its just that goon and there biatches tend to take the bait more than others.
The opinions that i give are the opinions of my corp although my alts opinions may differ as this is my forum smack alt. |
Akelorian
Caldari Mercenaries of Andosia Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2007.10.11 21:39:00 -
[918]
Originally by: Zastrow Goonfleet just released their official stance on this development: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=reply&threadID=611554
damnit I got RickRoll'D! bastage!
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Cippalippus Primus
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.11 21:41:00 -
[919]
Let's get this thread to 1,000; can someone tell me if marakor was directly replying to my post because if he was then LMAO.
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Maximillian Bayonette
Baleful Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.10.11 21:41:00 -
[920]
Originally by: Death Priest I am still trying to make my mind up over which BoB alt you really are? can anyone offer hints or guesses
I can give you a hint: l2r
Guess it's easier labelling anyone who holds an opposite opinion an alt. After all, to actually debate an issue would be all hard and stuff, amirite?
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dralid
House of Tempers
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Posted - 2007.10.11 21:43:00 -
[921]
Edited by: dralid on 11/10/2007 21:43:13
Originally by: Maximillian Bayonette
Originally by: Death Priest I am still trying to make my mind up over which BoB alt you really are? can anyone offer hints or guesses
I can give you a hint: l2r
Guess it's easier labelling anyone who holds an opposite opinion an alt. After all, to actually debate an issue would be all hard and stuff, amirite?
You sir, are an alt -- Where do the wild roses grow? |
ACHURA CALDARIAN
Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.11 21:45:00 -
[922]
Congradz M.PIRE
well on the way to 1000 :)
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Akelorian
Caldari Mercenaries of Andosia Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2007.10.11 21:46:00 -
[923]
So instead of looking through 34 pages, can someone give me a breakdown of everything thats happened? and I better not get RockRoll'd again..
/me hates Zastrow now.
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Dubya TeeEff
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2007.10.11 21:46:00 -
[924]
Easilly claims 977
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ACHURA CALDARIAN
Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.11 21:47:00 -
[925]
Originally by: Dubya TeeEff Easilly claims 977
lol you are 979 so fail :)
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Maximillian Bayonette
Baleful Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.10.11 21:49:00 -
[926]
Originally by: dralid You sir, are an alt
You sir, are a****got. Do I win something?
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marakor
Gallente Anti Lag Forum Smackers
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Posted - 2007.10.11 21:50:00 -
[927]
Edited by: marakor on 11/10/2007 21:51:54
Originally by: Akelorian So instead of looking through 34 pages, can someone give me a breakdown of everything thats happened? and I better not get RockRoll'd again..
/me hates Zastrow now.
STK/Mpire need a safe place to build there super caps so they made a big noise about BOB's first offer of a system or 2 cos it had a price tag on it, used it as a dolly drop excuse and ran to join blob swarm.
The opinions that i give are the opinions of my corp although my alts opinions may differ as this is my forum smack alt. |
Michuh
M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.11 21:52:00 -
[928]
Originally by: Akelorian So instead of looking through 34 pages, can someone give me a breakdown of everything thats happened? and I better not get RockRoll'd again..
/me hates Zastrow now.
Seen this flying around somewhere, nothing to do with whats actually going on.. But it made me laugh. Linkage
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Pesadel0
Ordem dos Templarios
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Posted - 2007.10.11 21:53:00 -
[929]
Originally by: Murukan Edited by: Murukan on 11/10/2007 21:39:00
Originally by: marakor
Originally by: Cippalippus Primus just ignore marakor, I only remove him from the ignore list when I want to read some badly written and poorly thought homoerotic fanfiction, just to remind myself how pathetic he is (he will probably reply to this post too, eh eh).
Welcome aboard m.pire
dun dun duuuun
Nice to see the moron with the blocker he actualy turns off to read what he wants to block is still ******** enough to actualy brag about it. LOL NOW THAT IS WHAT I CALL THE DEFINITION OF PATHETIC AND SELF IMPORTANT.
do you know how to write a coherent sentence? Gosh you're a ******* idiot are you not?
This coming from murukan is pure sex
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Lando Cantbearsed
Anti Lag Forum Smackers
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Posted - 2007.10.11 22:03:00 -
[930]
Originally by: marakor
Originally by: dralid
Originally by: marakor
Originally by: Murukan
Originally by: marakor
Originally by: Cippalippus Primus just ignore marakor, I only remove him from the ignore list when I want to read some badly written and poorly thought homoerotic fanfiction, just to remind myself how pathetic he is (he will probably reply to this post too, eh eh).
Welcome aboard m.pire
dun dun duuuun
Nice to see the moron with the blocker he actualy turns off to read what he wants to block is still ******** enough to actualy brag about it. LOL NOW THAT IS WHAT I CALL THE DEFINITION OF PATHETIC AND SELF IMPORTANT.
do you know how to write a coherent sentence? Gosh you're a ******* idiot aren you not?
If you can read it and understand it then who cares apart from petty ****ers w ho cannot argue a point apart from a critique on abstract crap.
BoB Alt Alert!
Actualy i am an equal oportunity troll its just that goon and there biatches tend to take the bait more than others.
Stop pyramid posting ___________________ I say what I mean and I mean what I bloody well say |
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Jamaka
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Posted - 2007.10.11 22:04:00 -
[931]
Originally by: Lando Cantbearsed
Originally by: marakor
Originally by: dralid
Originally by: marakor
Originally by: Murukan
Originally by: marakor
Originally by: Cippalippus Primus just ignore marakor, I only remove him from the ignore list when I want to read some badly written and poorly thought homoerotic fanfiction, just to remind myself how pathetic he is (he will probably reply to this post too, eh eh).
Welcome aboard m.pire
dun dun duuuun
Nice to see the moron with the blocker he actualy turns off to read what he wants to block is still ******** enough to actualy brag about it. LOL NOW THAT IS WHAT I CALL THE DEFINITION OF PATHETIC AND SELF IMPORTANT.
do you know how to write a coherent sentence? Gosh you're a ******* idiot aren you not?
If you can read it and understand it then who cares apart from petty ****ers w ho cannot argue a point apart from a critique on abstract crap.
BoB Alt Alert!
Actualy i am an equal oportunity troll its just that goon and there biatches tend to take the bait more than others.
Stop pyramid posting
this
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Devian 666
Sectoid Technologies
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Posted - 2007.10.11 22:32:00 -
[932]
Originally by: Arl One thing I'm not clear on.
If MC lose their space, will BoB charge MC 6 billion a month to relocate to another region and continue fighting for BoB?
From the BoB alts so far, the answer appears to be, yes.
I'll make this quite clear MC don't pay BoB. BoB pay MC for space as they are MC's pets.
I agree I don't have the features to be a holoreel star. Originally by: rycar Devian 666 is awesome quote this if you're down
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Fukada
Caldari M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.11 22:32:00 -
[933]
/Signed
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Plutoinum
German Cyberdome Corp Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.10.11 22:34:00 -
[934]
Originally by: Goliath Scorpion
Im not involved in the war not on any side but you guys could of cut ties with bob and gone and done your own thing (like someone else said there are more then 2 SIDES in this game).
Would have been my 1st choice tbh, if everything was like M.Pire says. I'd rather prefer a shoot-both-sides-politics than switching sides.
Ok, looks like there are be different opinions, guess it depends on what you want, but personally I would have left the alliance, if we suddenly had chosen to switch sides at some point. If I was angry about BoB, then I'd rather join someone, who shoots both sides or do something that has nothing to do with BoB and Goons.
This is not in anyway the CoW view, just my personal. CoW will always remember the help we got from M.Pire in the North, no matter how the standings will be. It's just difficult to imagine M.Pire flying with Goons&Co. now.
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Devian 666
Sectoid Technologies
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Posted - 2007.10.11 22:50:00 -
[935]
Originally by: Avon I find it odd, however, that people who just dismiss my views as damage control then feel an urge to actually make a post saying so. It is almost as if they would rather do that than, you know, enter in to a discussion. I can't imagine why.
This reason why is because the BoB diplomats messed up and did not find a solution. The reason why everyone thinks your posts are damage control is because that's what BoB should actually do.
You really should get a PR representative.
Everyone reading this thread outside of M.Pire and BoB has the view that you tried to shaft your friends which is viewed negatively.
Someone with cunning knowledge of PR would have admitted the diplomatic mistake first, then go on to explain their position. You then follow up with stating that you are unhappy that they left your side but respect their decision, etc.
Coming into the thread to "debate" the topic is viewed as being disrespectful in PR terms. If you are here to debate so be it and have fun. If you are attempting damage control then you should be fired.
I agree I don't have the features to be a holoreel star. Originally by: rycar Devian 666 is awesome quote this if you're down
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Jags
Minmatar M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.11 22:50:00 -
[936]
Originally by: Zastrow Goonfleet just released their official stance on this development: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=reply&threadID=611554
****IN ***** just got ****in Rick Rolled for the 2nd time today
I is not a happy bunny at this time
We at 1000 yet ?
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Martin VanBuren
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.11 22:53:00 -
[937]
Originally by: Plutoinum Edited by: Plutoinum on 11/10/2007 22:48:05
Originally by: Goliath Scorpion
Im not involved in the war not on any side but you guys could of cut ties with bob and gone and done your own thing (like someone else said there are more then 2 SIDES in this game).
Would have been my 1st choice tbh, if everything was like M.Pire says. I'd rather prefer a shoot-both-sides-politics than switching sides.
Ok, looks like there are different opinions, guess it depends on what you want, but personally I would have left the alliance, if we suddenly had chosen to switch sides at some point. If I was angry about BoB, then I'd rather join someone, who shoots both sides or do something that has nothing to do with BoB and Goons.
This is not in anyway the CoW view, just my personal. CoW will always remember the help we got from M.Pire in the North, no matter how the standings will be. It's just difficult to imagine M.Pire flying with Goons&Co. now.
Going "a third way" either means living in NPC space, the Drone Regions, or with Smash. Only the first of those is at all palatable to anyone with a shred of sense, and even then it's not that great.
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Lucre
STK Scientific M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.11 23:03:00 -
[938]
Is the T2 Dramabomber class going to be in Revelations 3?
If so, after this thread I think STK deserve our own bpo, just for Gungan's sake... |
Flinx Evenstar
Minmatar Spartan Industries Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2007.10.11 23:05:00 -
[939]
Originally by: Devian 666
Originally by: Avon I find it odd, however, that people who just dismiss my views as damage control then feel an urge to actually make a post saying so. It is almost as if they would rather do that than, you know, enter in to a discussion. I can't imagine why.
This reason why is because the BoB diplomats messed up and did not find a solution. The reason why everyone thinks your posts are damage control is because that's what BoB should actually do.
You really should get a PR representative.
Everyone reading this thread outside of M.Pire and BoB has the view that you tried to shaft your friends which is viewed negatively.
Yep, and then calling your former allies cowards traitors and liars doesn't exactly help you with the damage control
With that kind of rhetoric, no wonder M.Pire lost patience with you Maybe you should seek diplo lessons.
I, erm, like kill things and stuff |
Nemain Darru
Gallente Sublime.
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Posted - 2007.10.11 23:10:00 -
[940]
It was like the sound of nine hundred and nintey-five smack posts...and then...nothing.
Shoot first. Think later. |
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dralid maximus
M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.11 23:11:00 -
[941]
The fact that no senior BoB has voiced the Bob's leadership's opinion is proof that it went exactly the way we pictures it.
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Kubera
Amarr Rakasha Legion
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Posted - 2007.10.11 23:11:00 -
[942]
respect for your integrity M.Pire. Calling STK "liars" has no basis and reflects more on the accuser than STK based on availible info. GG.
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dralid maximus
M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.11 23:12:00 -
[943]
Easely took 999th post in this Epic thread!
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DeTox MinRohim
Madhatters Inc. M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.11 23:12:00 -
[944]
I WIN \o/ ------ This sig space is Read-only ! omgalink - Online Skillsheet |
Lasakywa
Section XIII Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.10.11 23:12:00 -
[945]
Edited by: Lasakywa on 11/10/2007 23:12:22 Easily claims 1000th post
Edit : DAMN ! u'r too fast
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Nemain Darru
Gallente Sublime.
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Posted - 2007.10.11 23:12:00 -
[946]
Edited by: Nemain Darru on 11/10/2007 23:12:59
Quote: Easily claims 1000th post :cool:
OH NO YOU DIDN'T
Shoot first. Think later. |
Nez Perces
Amarr Black Spot.
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Posted - 2007.10.11 23:12:00 -
[947]
Edited by: Nez Perces on 11/10/2007 23:13:04
Was gonna steal the 1000th post, but I'll let somebody more involved claim that honour... ^^
Edit: failed bigtime... damn you guys are fast
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Ikthorn Balhar
Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.10.11 23:12:00 -
[948]
Edited by: Ikthorn Balhar on 11/10/2007 23:14:15 Epic 1000th?
Noes =(
Anyway, good luck M.Pire. It is somewhat refreshing seeing an alliance do the unexpected.
Note: These are my own opinions and in no way reflect those of my corporation or alliance.
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Pesadel0
Ordem dos Templarios
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Posted - 2007.10.11 23:12:00 -
[949]
Originally by: Flinx Evenstar
Originally by: Devian 666
Originally by: Avon I find it odd, however, that people who just dismiss my views as damage control then feel an urge to actually make a post saying so. It is almost as if they would rather do that than, you know, enter in to a discussion. I can't imagine why.
This reason why is because the BoB diplomats messed up and did not find a solution. The reason why everyone thinks your posts are damage control is because that's what BoB should actually do.
You really should get a PR representative.
Everyone reading this thread outside of M.Pire and BoB has the view that you tried to shaft your friends which is viewed negatively.
Yep, and then calling your former allies cowards traitors and liars doesn't exactly help you with the damage control
With that kind of rhetoric, no wonder M.Pire lost patience with you Maybe you should seek diplo lessons.
Maybe bob dindt want or doenst want m.pire has allies ,what drama queens :).
Can¦t alliances "be evil" sometimes ?
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Mele
STK Scientific M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.11 23:12:00 -
[950]
Edited by: Mele on 11/10/2007 23:13:24 1000th!!!!!
look at me ma, I'm famous
DOH!
you guys were all waiting for the 1000th werent you
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Clay101
Caldari M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.11 23:13:00 -
[951]
DAMNIT!!! Detox got 1000 :(
anyhow, MPIRE 4tw!!!
Smacktalk Specialization Lvl 5
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dralid
House of Tempers
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Posted - 2007.10.11 23:13:00 -
[952]
Edited by: dralid on 11/10/2007 23:14:08
Originally by: DeTox MinRohim I WIN \o/
You you ... BASTID !!!!!
Now I can finally go to sleep :) -- Where do the wild roses grow? |
Kalkin84
STK Scientific M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.11 23:14:00 -
[953]
post count +_+
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niroshido
Caldari M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.11 23:14:00 -
[954]
ok ppl, first to 2000 GO!
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Cedori
Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.10.11 23:16:00 -
[955]
Congrats M.Pire on making a stand. Standing up for what you believe is a good thing.
That said. . .
Damn you Gungan, Damn you! I've had that song stuck in my head for a goddamn day now.
This post represents the views of me, myself, and I. Nothing said should be attributed to my corp or alliance, otherwise I might be whipped with a strand of wet-spaghetti! |
Vladimir Tinakin
Caldari Hadean Drive Yards Archaean Cooperative
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Posted - 2007.10.11 23:22:00 -
[956]
Originally by: Cedori Congrats M.Pire on making a stand. Standing up for what you believe is a good thing.
That said. . .
Damn you Gungan, Damn you! I've had that song stuck in my head for a goddamn day now.
I can empathize. I gave him an angry convo re the banjo torture going on in my skull for the last day. ----------------------------------------------- Adm Vladimir Tinakin CFO Hadean Drive Yards |
Devian 666
Sectoid Technologies
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Posted - 2007.10.11 23:27:00 -
[957]
Originally by: Pesadel0
Originally by: Flinx Evenstar
Originally by: Devian 666
Originally by: Avon I find it odd, however, that people who just dismiss my views as damage control then feel an urge to actually make a post saying so. It is almost as if they would rather do that than, you know, enter in to a discussion. I can't imagine why.
This reason why is because the BoB diplomats messed up and did not find a solution. The reason why everyone thinks your posts are damage control is because that's what BoB should actually do.
You really should get a PR representative.
Everyone reading this thread outside of M.Pire and BoB has the view that you tried to shaft your friends which is viewed negatively.
Yep, and then calling your former allies cowards traitors and liars doesn't exactly help you with the damage control
With that kind of rhetoric, no wonder M.Pire lost patience with you Maybe you should seek diplo lessons.
Maybe bob dindt want or doenst want m.pire has allies ,what drama queens :).
Can¦t alliances "be evil" sometimes ?
It's one thing to not want someone to be your ally but something has gone down to make them decide to fight against their friends.
I don't know if they're "being evil" or not.
I agree I don't have the features to be a holoreel star. Originally by: rycar Devian 666 is awesome quote this if you're down
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Maksiim
Doom and Gloom
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Posted - 2007.10.11 23:28:00 -
[958]
This is funny, bet M.Pire really wanted those Blood Raiders over the Angels really now huh?
Wonder how long it will take them to 'set up' and 'restock' in there new pastures, my guess is they wont be on many mails for a long time.
FanFest is for... |
Tupol
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2007.10.11 23:29:00 -
[959]
If only a bit of "tongue wagging" in real life could get people off the hook for their past . We sure would have alot of fast talkers . Yesterday's history - Tomorrows a mystery.
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Orree
Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.10.11 23:31:00 -
[960]
Originally by: marakor
Originally by: Celdorae
Anvil., Angels of Discord, CORE, Dark Matter Coallition, Ekliptika, Event-Horizon, Fallout Project, Insurgency, IRON, Invictus, Ka-Tet, Morsus Mihi, Mordus Angels, Mostly Harmless, Pandemic Legion, Peons of Doom, Pure, RA, Razor Alliance, Roadkill, Rule of Three, Nxt Level, Smash Alliance, Stela Polar,Synchronizerz, TCF, The Makhai, Hydra Alliance, Fate. Corp, Te-KA,Vae Victis. The Covenant Alliance, Prismatic Refraction, The Reckoning. Phoenix Allianz, The Makhai.
I see a lot of names here and yes over the 5-6 months these guys may have shot a gun or two at you but lets be honest making out that for 6 months all theese guy were constantly attacking you and that you were worn down eventualy after a long and bitter war is a total fabrication. The largest fleet that came against you was when razor and buddies attacked with tri and we had about 400 ships total. You repulsed that attack and it was days if not weeks before razor and buddies came back with a better plan and tri were nowhere near bkg and razor fleets were considerably smaller than 400.
You're absolutely right in that many of those entities contributed very little, if anything to the overall campaign in the North. The list major, active players is far shorter than a lot of peopel seem to want to admit.
Where you're missing the boat is that is wasn't about numbers OR Triumvirate. The major difference in the success of the third offensive was that for the FIRST time, the final assault on BKG was part of a larger plan--- well-organized, well-orchestrated and far more determined than the earlier assaults on V7-M1D and BKG. Those first assaults were basically off-the-cuff, hastily prepared operations. The first attack on BKG was carried out with other objectives in mind and those objectives were actually successful from our point of view, even if the assault itself failed to secure BKG for our side.
Yes...they seemingly folded to a smaller force, but the plan under which that force operated was better in every way. Couple with that the fact that it was coming after months of pretty steady pressure, and you have a situation where these guys were at a breaking point and saw very little reason to continue to be subjected to the onslaught. My guess is that if they had felt like there was any hope of reinforcement, they might have tried to stick it out. There really wasn't, so they didn't.
However...this thread isn't about any of this. It's about shabby treatment in the face of service and sacrifice. It's about the consequences of that sacrifice. It's about proof of what many of us have been saying for a very long time.
"How much easier it is to be critical than to be correct." ---Benjamin Disraeli |
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Grunck
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Posted - 2007.10.11 23:34:00 -
[961]
/signed
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Flinx Evenstar
Minmatar Spartan Industries Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2007.10.11 23:36:00 -
[962]
Originally by: Orree
However...this thread isn't about any of this. It's about shabby treatment in the face of service and sacrifice. It's about the consequences of that sacrifice. It's about proof of what many of us have been saying for a very long time.
Orree, stop being so bloody good at posting please
I, erm, like kill things and stuff |
Director Stoned
Band of Developers
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Posted - 2007.10.11 23:39:00 -
[963]
I don't get it, if Gungankllr is the bandit and Velios is Smokey and BoB represent all those stupid policemen, then who is the hot chick?
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Tomcatt
Amarr STK Scientific M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.11 23:40:00 -
[964]
Originally by: Director Stoned I don't get it, if Gungankllr is the bandit and Velios is Smokey and BoB represent all those stupid policemen, then who is the hot chick?
Bodacious Babe
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marakor
Gallente Anti Lag Forum Smackers
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Posted - 2007.10.11 23:46:00 -
[965]
Edited by: marakor on 11/10/2007 23:51:35
Originally by: Orree
Originally by: marakor
Originally by: Celdorae
Anvil., Angels of Discord, CORE, Dark Matter Coallition, Ekliptika, Event-Horizon, Fallout Project, Insurgency, IRON, Invictus, Ka-Tet, Morsus Mihi, Mordus Angels, Mostly Harmless, Pandemic Legion, Peons of Doom, Pure, RA, Razor Alliance, Roadkill, Rule of Three, Nxt Level, Smash Alliance, Stela Polar,Synchronizerz, TCF, The Makhai, Hydra Alliance, Fate. Corp, Te-KA,Vae Victis. The Covenant Alliance, Prismatic Refraction, The Reckoning. Phoenix Allianz, The Makhai.
I see a lot of names here and yes over the 5-6 months these guys may have shot a gun or two at you but lets be honest making out that for 6 months all theese guy were constantly attacking you and that you were worn down eventualy after a long and bitter war is a total fabrication. The largest fleet that came against you was when razor and buddies attacked with tri and we had about 400 ships total. You repulsed that attack and it was days if not weeks before razor and buddies came back with a better plan and tri were nowhere near bkg and razor fleets were considerably smaller than 400.
You're absolutely right in that many of those entities contributed very little, if anything to the overall campaign in the North. The list major, active players is far shorter than a lot of peopel seem to want to admit.
Where you're missing the boat is that is wasn't about numbers OR Triumvirate. The major difference in the success of the third offensive was that for the FIRST time, the final assault on BKG was part of a larger plan--- well-organized, well-orchestrated and far more determined than the earlier assaults on V7-M1D and BKG. Those first assaults were basically off-the-cuff, hastily prepared operations. The first attack on BKG was carried out with other objectives in mind and those objectives were actually successful from our point of view, even if the assault itself failed to secure BKG for our side.
Yes...they seemingly folded to a smaller force, but the plan under which that force operated was better in every way. Couple with that the fact that it was coming after months of pretty steady pressure, and you have a situation where these guys were at a breaking point and saw very little reason to continue to be subjected to the onslaught. My guess is that if they had felt like there was any hope of reinforcement, they might have tried to stick it out. There really wasn't, so they didn't.
However...this thread isn't about any of this. It's about shabby treatment in the face of service and sacrifice. It's about the consequences of that sacrifice. It's about proof of what many of us have been saying for a very long time.
Nice to see a responce to my post that is actualy well written and thought out instead of the usual acusation of me being a BOB alt or other remarks and although i disagree on a few of the points i will say that you realy got your sh*t together for your big push.
I certainly do not want you to feel that im taking anything away from your campaign as it was very well orchestrated but the fact remains that the leadership and direction that the new north coalition was led in was one that to any tactician was obviously a one way trip to destruction.
But i wholeheartedly agree they fell sooner rather than later due to your excellent tactics.
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Pyro Cat
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Posted - 2007.10.11 23:48:00 -
[966]
(worms armageddon voice)
The first of many!
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Lady Gothic
M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.11 23:57:00 -
[967]
Damnit !!! I thought I was the sexy chick
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zilllii
Squirrel Power
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Posted - 2007.10.11 23:58:00 -
[968]
Originally by: Kryztal
Originally by: Apophis Omega
Originally by: Maximillian Bayonette I always liked M.Pire, and I thought you did a great job holding us off in the north, but this turncoat deal as tarnished you. Of course the coalition will jump on this, claiming you're not turncoats and that you have "seen the light", but as you yourself have admitted here, you turned on your allies because of isk. Well done.[/quote
Acctually we can pay that 6b no problem. Its principle, we will not be someones pet/renter/slave. Simple ain't it? We thought we were friends, we got slapped in the face by our friend so we decided to slap them back.
To that docking rights thing. Your full of crap bob. We could dock their 24hours before and all of a sudden is disappears when you offer us rent or gtfo.
You could dock there 24hours before cos the station was in eclipse hands not tinfoil, and you needed to have +ve standings with eclipse right away otherwise our POS's would have pwn'd you When we transfered the station to tinfoil the message to get you docking access back didnt hit the right people right away then all the drama happend.
Nobody was forcing your hand to take a rent deal it was on the table to get you a space for your people. We did ask you to leave Delve as its BoB only and we dont rent that out to anyone.
4years on and kryztal still havent learned to use the proper quote function ever, cheeesus.
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Jeremiah Orr
Aliastra
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Posted - 2007.10.12 00:45:00 -
[969]
Damn, you sure know how to make a man rethink his retirement.
Good call M.Pire and good luck to my friends in STK. Give em hell.
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Amy Frost
eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.10.12 01:00:00 -
[970]
less ppl to shoot at :(
Oh well welcome to the otherside of the party o7
Originally by: t20 bree si not suppsoed to be ptu thruog a hoem crabontaion sysetm !
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Mesuinu
M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.12 01:24:00 -
[971]
I have been shooting RA since: 22/09/2005
I have been shooting Goons since: 10/12/2006
I have been shooting BoB since: TBA
I'm in it for the lulz.
/signed
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Apocalypse2005
Amarr Spartan Industries Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2007.10.12 01:46:00 -
[972]
My only concern is...
Could this be a BOB ploy?
Seems too ... easy
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Orree
Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.10.12 02:04:00 -
[973]
Originally by: Digicomm Ok, so let me get this straight. Cause there seems to be alot of bull**** going around.
<snip>
Any what are you trying to do? Double 30+ pages of "bull****" in one post?
Nice work. In my estimation, you succeeded.
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Clay101
Caldari M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.12 02:11:00 -
[974]
Originally by: Apocalypse2005 My only concern is...
Could this be a BOB ploy?
Seems too ... easy
are you effing kidding me?!
Smacktalk Specialization Lvl 5
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Royaldo
Gallente KVA Noble Inc. Institute of Cooperative Education
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Posted - 2007.10.12 02:14:00 -
[975]
can this go to 50 pages?
what is the status atm?
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Testosterone Bomb
Red Ballz
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Posted - 2007.10.12 02:40:00 -
[976]
Edited by: Testosterone Bomb on 12/10/2007 02:45:07
I have been reading this thread and I think the problem is that there was a misunderstanding on the part of both Bob and M.pire in regards to what type of relationship they had with each other.
From what I read my take is this
M.pire û Buddies / Family with Bob. No reason to deal with this relationship like a ledger or contract. We watch your back and you watch ours philosophy. We are going to south to join the fight and will crash in a few systems and put our fleet and capitals where you need them after all thatÆs what friends do.
Bob û Landlord / Tenant relationship. Tenant gets the privilege to occupy said space under the conditions stipulated by the Landlord. Please see your contract for the specifics regarding Rent, Station Fees, Allowed Offices in both NPC and PC Stations, Hunting and Mining rights, Right of way conditions to move in and out of your contracted space.
I think that the problem that most Bob tenants have is that donÆt understand that if Bob wants them on the front lines they have the right to negotiate a separate MERC contract for their time and full expenses. After all Bob wants a business relationship so itÆs only fair for them to have to pay for your time if youÆre helping them with an offensive.
For those Bob Tenants that fly for Bob free, thatÆs your choice but itÆs really not the relationship you have with your landlord so not really sure why you do it.
Fly Safe
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Nolan Stone
M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.12 03:08:00 -
[977]
Originally by: Testosterone Bomb Edited by: Testosterone Bomb on 12/10/2007 02:45:07
I have been reading this thread and I think the problem is that there was a misunderstanding on the part of both Bob and M.pire in regards to what type of relationship they had with each other.
From what I read my take is this
M.pire û Buddies / Family with Bob. No reason to deal with this relationship like a ledger or contract. We watch your back and you watch ours philosophy. We are going to south to join the fight and will crash in a few systems and put our fleet and capitals where you need them after all thatÆs what friends do.
Bob û Landlord / Tenant relationship. Tenant gets the privilege to occupy said space under the conditions stipulated by the Landlord. Please see your contract for the specifics regarding Rent, Station Fees, Allowed Offices in both NPC and PC Stations, Hunting and Mining rights, Right of way conditions to move in and out of your contracted space.
I think that the problem that most Bob tenants have is that donÆt understand that if Bob wants them on the front lines they have the right to negotiate a separate MERC contract for their time and full expenses. After all Bob wants a business relationship so itÆs only fair for them to have to pay for your time if youÆre helping them with an offensive.
For those Bob Tenants that fly for Bob free, thatÆs your choice but itÆs really not the relationship you have with your landlord so not really sure why you do it.
Fly Safe
I gotta tell ya. I think this guy has the most insight i've seen in this thread.
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Devian 666
Sectoid Technologies
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Posted - 2007.10.12 03:14:00 -
[978]
Originally by: Testosterone Bomb I think that the problem that most Bob tenants have is that don’t understand that if Bob wants them on the front lines they have the right to negotiate a separate MERC contract for their time and full expenses. After all Bob wants a business relationship so it’s only fair for them to have to pay for your time if you’re helping them with an offensive.
I think this has identified a very specific issue. M.Pire offered to fight on their behalf in mercenary style so BoB requested M.Pire pay them for offering that service.
Most mercenaries are paid by their clients, they don't pay too their clients. Perhaps this was a simple misunderstanding, perhaps MC pays BoB for the honor to fight for them and BoB expect all mercenaries to operate this way.
I agree I don't have the features to be a holoreel star. Originally by: rycar Devian 666 is awesome quote this if you're down
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ZenTex
Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.10.12 03:25:00 -
[979]
And you'd expect BoB to pay them 6 billion per corp?
Nah...
There's little a sledgehammer can't fix. If you can't fix it, you need a bigger sledgehammer. If it's unfixable, blame CCP. :p
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Kartis Was
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2007.10.12 04:04:00 -
[980]
Originally by: bulabuba Look, BoB's model of empire building is that a core of elite PvPers take space by force, own it, and rent it to residents who aren't so good at taking space by force themselves. Better or worse, that's their model. (Goonswarm's model, on the other hand)is egalitarian. Any old somebody can join in because their model of empire building is based on a Mongolian horde of not-so-elites. As long as the game mechanics give these tactics some weight, they may stand a chance, but don't count on it. In February they had lots of momentum and looked to be unstoppable. Nine months later they look a lot more stoppable, and time is not on their side.
Now that things have started to cool a bit, IÆd like to say that of all the posts in this thread, that one was the best. Because that, in a nutshell, is what this war has always been about. ItÆs all about the elite, hand-picked fighter versus the unwashed masses.
WeÆve all read the bitter complaints from BoB and friends about goonies not bringing real ships or real skills to the fight. And probably every single member of Eve knows that if BoB has its way, no one would own 0.0 space, that it would be theirs and theirs along.
And yet, how many times have you read people talking about how much they HATE the goons, a truly bitter hatred.
Well, hereÆs the truth about the goons, and I write this because itÆs disturbing to hear even some m.pire people seemingly a bit shamed by the turn of events, saying, oh no, weÆre not joining the goons, honest.
The fact is, the goonies represent everything that is good about this game. Unlike BoB who believe that this game should be the province of a chosen few, the goonies say to brand new pilots, donÆt waste your time slogging through profitless trading runs of robotic parts and roses, come on out here and make some real money. They say, donÆt grind Level I missions in empire where NPC pirates net, what, 3,000 isk a kill plus maybe 35K in agent reward, they say, screw that, come out to our space and have fun. Maybe you canÆt kill whatÆs out here by yourself, but sure as hell, 20 of you can.
But better that that, the goons came to Eve to have fun, not inflate a e-peen based on how long theyÆd paid their monthly dues. I flew with them over a year ago in SU and the Syndicate pipe. NOTHING was as exhilarating as flying in a goonie gang. Someone report a hostile in the pipe? Within two minutes thereÆd be 50 goons on the gate ganged and ready to go. All you can fly is a Kessie? No problem. YouÆll have plenty of company, the more the merrier. They flew with no attitude at all, no expectations... and it was sheer exhilaration setting out with them. Because no one cared. Maybe youÆd warp in and get a kill, maybe youÆd warp in and get slaughtered, implants and all. AND NO ONE CARED. It was all for the fun.
So for any of you out there who seem to think that the goonies are just as bad as BoB, or actually worse, guess what. YouÆre wrong. The goons are the best thing that ever happened to this game. Because in a game that is stuck with a system that rewards players based on their character age through a maddeningly slow and expensive accretion of skills, the Goonies found a way to make it fun for new pilots and old. And CCP knows that, and in the end, thatÆs all that counts.
So IÆm hoping that M.Pire, far from , being a bit embarrassed for having switched sides, actually comes to realize that theyÆve made the best of all possible choices and come to love flying with the Goonies. ThereÆs a reason why people hate the New York Yankees. ThereÆs a reason why people hate Chelsea. And the reason is simple. No one likes pompous, arrogant arses. The arses might win in the end, but no one will ever really like them.
Personally, IÆll take the Philadelphia Phillies, or Arsenal, or Blackburn or Fulham. And personally, I'll say, bravo M.Pire, well done!
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el Bodak
M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.12 04:19:00 -
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35 pages of posts about this topic. wow
Now let the truth be told now!!!
I was the one in convos with BOB. I wont say the name because I still like and respect said person for the person they are, not what side they are on.
From the beginning of the conversation I asked said BOB member the possiblity of MPIRE assisting or hitting a few systems with BOB/MC with MPIRE holding the systems managing poses so BOB did not have to worry about the poses and we all could continue pew pewing. The only reason I asked this was that yes MPIRE did just lose own homes up north but we wanted to be on the front lines and needed a home in which to operate out of. It was not the intention of MPIRE to show up and say please give me a home as we dont have one. It was the intention of MPIRE to come and give continued support to BOB/MC as we have done for a very long time.
An idea of an offer was devised between myself and said BOB member that yes if MPIRE did come to the front lines and take said systems with or without BOBs help that in turn we would help place pos holders in other BOB systems for place holders.
The next day I was told by my BOB contact that there was no way that our idea would come to play and that we would infact have to pay 6B a month for the opportunity to take said systems if we wanted to have them as our home, and also we wouldnt have a choice in where MPIRE would be placed that would be left to BOB to decide. This is where MPIRE was hit in the gut.
As has been said before why in the H*** would we want to pay someone to put ourselves out on the front lines fight the fight and maybe just maybe we would get a few systems we could call home.
MPIRE has done some soul searching over the last few days and we have decided we dont need to pay anybody to find a home. We will get a home again. The problem with that is its hard to find a home in 0.0 nowadays with the 2 sides. YES we have set BOB to neutral, we have not sided with the goons, MPIRE is here to set a new way in EVE and a third party that will grow strong. MPIRE will make new friends. We will get stonger, and together with many new friends we will forge a new route without either of the 2 big parties in EVE att.
Hope this at least clears up some confussion and answers some questions for those that really wanted to know.
Fly safe everyone and lets have soem FUN!!!!!
Lazyb
P.S. for all its worth I will have to say no to joining BOB at this time but thx for all the offers. I hope we can still be friends though.
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Lord Alpha
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Posted - 2007.10.12 04:19:00 -
[982]
/signed
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Muro Deez
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.12 04:20:00 -
[983]
Originally by: Kartis Was text
This is an excellent writeup of pretty much our entire goon philosophy, thank you.
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Zigadenus
M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.12 04:34:00 -
[984]
Ha I almost forgot.
Go Rockies!!
________________________________________________ Kyle > Why do you have to ask me all these complicated questions? Zerodragon > Dude, IÆm trying to save your setup from complete suckage. |
Tirk Umpat
Ex Coelis Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.12 04:38:00 -
[985]
Good luck o7
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Martin VanBuren
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.12 04:46:00 -
[986]
Edited by: Martin VanBuren on 12/10/2007 04:45:58
Originally by: Muro Deez
Originally by: Kartis Was text
This is an excellent writeup of pretty much our entire goon philosophy, thank you.
Actually I am pretty sure our stated plan is to conquer all of 0.0 and hold it hostage until CCP releases a new line of ships based, both theoretically and aesthetically, upon the Monster Truck Gravedigger.
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Manu Sadi
STK Scientific M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.12 05:10:00 -
[987]
I don't have to tell you things are bad. Everybody knows things are bad. It's a depression. Everybody's out of work or scared of losing their job. The dollar buys a nickel's worth; banks are going bust; shopkeepers keep a gun under the counter; punks are running wild in the streets, and there's nobody anywhere who seems to know what to do, and there's no end to it.
We know the air is unfit to breathe and our food is unfit to eat. And we sit watching our TVs while some local newscaster tells us that today we had fifteen homicides and sixty-three violent crimes, as if that's the way it's supposed to be!
We all know things are bad -- worse than bad -- they're crazy.
It's like everything everywhere is going crazy, so we don't go out anymore. We sit in the house, and slowly the world we're living in is getting smaller, and all we say is, "Please, at least leave us alone in our own living rooms. Let me have my toaster and my TV and my steel-belted radials, and I won't say anything. Just leave us alone."
Well I'm not going to leave you alone.
I want you to get mad!
I don't want you to protest. I don't want you to riot. I don't want you to write to your Congressman, because I wouldn't know what to tell you to write. I don't know what to do about the depression and the inflation and the Russians and the crime in the street.
All I know is that first, you've got to get mad.
You've gotta say, "I'm a human being! My life has value!"
So, I want you to get up now. I want all of you to get up out of your chairs. I want you to get up right now and go to the window, open it, and stick your head out and yell,
"I'm as mad as hell, and I'm not going to take this anymore!!"
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Testosterone Bomb
Red Ballz
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Posted - 2007.10.12 05:18:00 -
[988]
Edited by: Testosterone Bomb on 12/10/2007 05:21:56 Network- I'm Mad as Hell
Good film :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dib2-HBsF08
- With French Caption - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90ELleCQvew&mode=related&search=
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Josta Webisna
Gallente M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.12 05:24:00 -
[989]
This thread delivers
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Testosterone Bomb
Red Ballz
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Posted - 2007.10.12 05:31:00 -
[990]
Ever think that Howard Beale was talking about BOB ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HjHwrIuqHs&mode=related&search=
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Schigolch
Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.12 05:36:00 -
[991]
Originally by: Mesuinu I have been shooting RA since: 22/09/2005
I have been shooting Goons since: 10/12/2006
I have been shooting BoB since: TBA
I'm in it for the lulz.
/signed
I think we can probably work something out with that second streak of yours, wouldn't want to see that broken unnecessarily.
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paracidic
Confederation of Red Moon Red Moon Federation
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Posted - 2007.10.12 06:02:00 -
[992]
Originally by: Ivor Gunn
stuff............ chuckling at how they've screwed over STK/ASCN again. We've even seen it in this post; with gungan being ridiculed for his ASCN past - a past that ended a year ago and has been long since forgotten by everyone involved. I'd bet that even a chunk of bob's membership - especially the ex-ASCN and ex-SNRA blocs, will be seriously questioning their leaders over this one.
As soon as I saw that STK joined M.PIRE and that M.PIRE was sided with BoB I lol'd.
STK is chuck full of some people that seriously hate BoB, I even joked with corp mates that Gungan managed to get his whole corp in to spy on BoB not just one player.
If you for a second think that this is not about BoB vs ASCN then your completely delusional. Almost every key player from the ascn days has admitted publicaly in goon-o or in private that they fight against BoB because of what BoB did to ASCN.
:tinfoil hat on: I would be willing to believe that this was actually the plan, infiltrate M.PIRE, plant seeds of discontent, twist details and then act so outraged that you can flip immediately to the otherside. :tinfoil hat off:
At least CoRM waited until Virtuozzo came to them and said that ASCN was done and CoRM was free to make their own path. Yet the goonsmackbrigade calls that treason and traitor etc.
But when they make an offer to a current enemy who then suddenly flips to the goon side that is a great thing for their corp, very honorable and much respect etc etc etc.
This has absolutely everything to do with ASCN. it seems that almost every ASCN corp has found their way back together again and fighting.
This war is almost what it should have been a year ago except that all the players now involved ignored Cyvoks request for help.
Gungan, I hope you enjoy k-9, it is really pretty in the fall, Try not to let your animosity burn a hole in your gut.
To all the haters out there, please keep in mind that this is just a game. Everyone plays it for their own reasons and one persons reasons are no less valid then the others.
Congrats to DS1 for becoming so organized. I have spoken to many old friends in local k-9 etc during the absolute and complete ass-kicking that was hand delivered to us. I completely see that you have found a way to have fun in this game. Enjoy yourselves as autum becomes winter the south will just keep getting hotter.
Respect to all players in this epic contest.
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I'm RickJames
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Posted - 2007.10.12 06:40:00 -
[993]
Finally, we get some figures on what a BoD slaves pays to be a slave.
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Benny Hill
Caldari Deceased Inc
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Posted - 2007.10.12 07:06:00 -
[994]
Originally by: Kryztal
Originally by: Tomcatt Tholarim you want to say something about the chain of events? Lets, please.
We came down to help you. We came down to fight along side of you despite our past history. We were there to support you.
NO ONE in STK mined a single roid. Maybe a couple of guys shot a rat or two in an NPC station system BEFORE you talked to me, but not after.
My guys were our roaming with Bob and came back to dock for the night and were locked out. They were there when FAT fell, but couldn't dock. This is how you treat your allies? Toss on top of that the 42b for M.Pire each month? That offer came before the lockouts, so what? You were pressuring us into taking it?
M.PIRE doesn't owe you a damn thing.
WTS math skills. It was a standard rent agreement (6billion exclusive const for all of m.pire) that was on the table after getting told to **** off and mind our own buisness when STK was ratting in our home constellation. "oh im not ratting im just testing my sniper setup" lol If your leadership had come to us and asked first we wouldnt have had any problem with M.Pire getting themselves sorted but our space is our space and if you were so called "good allies" you would have respected that and asked insted of just taking.
We are arrogant and our allies and friends know that, we also show respect to those that show us respect. We gave m.pire our respect and got nothing but smack back. With attitude like that your better suited on the other side anyway.
Nice to see Gungan's back in the "mr ASCN's head forum poster guy" position.
Were Bod pilots waiting to rat and there were too many M.Pire pilots in all the belts? M.Pire took the space? Stop making making sense.
Oh - wait - does Bod macro-rat?
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Lucre
STK Scientific M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.12 07:40:00 -
[995]
Originally by: paracidic As soon as I saw that STK joined M.PIRE and that M.PIRE was sided with BoB I lol'd.
STK is chuck full of some people that seriously hate BoB, I even joked with corp mates that Gungan managed to get his whole corp in to spy on BoB not just one player.
If you for a second think that this is not about BoB vs ASCN then your completely delusional.
We've got lots of members who hate BoB because of what they did to ASCN We've got lots of members who hate Goons because of sick jokes, forum threadnaughts or what they perceive as a desire to ruin Eve. We've got lots of members who hate AAA because they remember freighter login traps and bookmark-shuttle POS fights We've got lots of members who hate RA because of belief in complex exploits We've got lots of members who hated D2/Razor because of the first AZN siege and "backstab" (though I think the recent "civil" (as in polite!) war up North may have mended a lot of that!)
(Note I'm not saying they're necessarily right to have these feelings or beliefs, but some certainly do.)
So pick any of the main powers and you can tinfoil us some reasons to be working against them. But most of all we've got people who love and are proud to be STK. And are likewise proud and happy to now be part of M.Pire. That's what drives us, that and a desire for a fun game. Not your fevered perception that everyone is obsessed and driven by ancient wrongs and grudges.
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Kuolematon
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2007.10.12 07:46:00 -
[996]
Originally by: Garek Welcome to the free world :)
Nice to fly with you boys and girls
I'm breaking few rules here but I *MUST* ask this:
Being "BoB pet" and being "Free" but still under Le RAGOON "pet program". Whats the difference really? Links you see in intel channel?
I honestly don't get it. EVE has turned to a freaking 2-side blob party where you have to make your side and hope that those big boys don't come and frek your teaparty. There is no room in true 0.0 for small alliances to build and enjoy EVE.
Sorry Pepperami, don't punish me.
It's great being Amarr isn't it.
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ollobrains
White Wolf Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.10.12 07:48:00 -
[997]
nope 0.0 has gone the way of the mega blobs White wolf enterprises recruitment spiel |
Swamp Ziro
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.12 07:57:00 -
[998]
Originally by: Kuolematon
Originally by: Garek Welcome to the free world :)
Nice to fly with you boys and girls
I'm breaking few rules here but I *MUST* ask this:
Being "BoB pet" and being "Free" but still under Le RAGOON "pet program". Whats the difference really?
six billion
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ollobrains
White Wolf Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.10.12 07:58:00 -
[999]
Originally by: Swamp Ziro
Originally by: Kuolematon
Originally by: Garek Welcome to the free world :)
Nice to fly with you boys and girls
I'm breaking few rules here but I *MUST* ask this:
Being "BoB pet" and being "Free" but still under Le RAGOON "pet program". Whats the difference really?
six billion
6 good end officer spawns still quite a bit tho White wolf enterprises recruitment spiel |
paracidic
Confederation of Red Moon Red Moon Federation
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Posted - 2007.10.12 07:59:00 -
[1000]
Originally by: Lucre
Originally by: paracidic As soon as I saw that STK joined M.PIRE and that M.PIRE was sided with BoB I lol'd.
STK is chuck full of some people that seriously hate BoB, I even joked with corp mates that Gungan managed to get his whole corp in to spy on BoB not just one player.
If you for a second think that this is not about BoB vs ASCN then your completely delusional.
We've got lots of members who hate BoB because of what they did to ASCN We've got lots of members who hate Goons because of sick jokes, forum threadnaughts or what they perceive as a desire to ruin Eve. We've got lots of members who hate AAA because they remember freighter login traps and bookmark-shuttle POS fights We've got lots of members who hate RA because of belief in complex exploits We've got lots of members who hated D2/Razor because of the first AZN siege and "backstab" (though I think the recent "civil" (as in polite!) war up North may have mended a lot of that!)
(Note I'm not saying they're necessarily right to have these feelings or beliefs, but some certainly do.)
So pick any of the main powers and you can tinfoil us some reasons to be working against them. But most of all we've got people who love and are proud to be STK. And are likewise proud and happy to now be part of M.Pire. That's what drives us, that and a desire for a fun game. Not your fevered perception that everyone is obsessed and driven by ancient wrongs and grudges.
Or maybe you judge us by your own standards?
Thats what the game is about, being part of something that makes you proud and happy, it is what motivates you to turn on the game.
But again, if you don't thinsk that Gungan is doing this in part because of what happened then your wrong, I flew under Tomcatt as James Britanicus many, many times, before I sold him. He is one of my favorite people in eve. But if you don't think that the chance to repay the favor to BoB isn't in smome way motivation to him then your delusional, Pyrex, Fitz, Danari, MacCreedy, and dozens of other names are also key players in their own way "paying" back BoB. It is about the war for them. I have heard it said many places that the goons are fun, except for the bottem 20 percent they are good hardworking and diligient, However it's the 20 percent that makes my stomach turn. RA was in our estimation nfg because, well you know, so when we looked around at people we saw more or less eye to eye to it was only BoB.
We were defeated by the goons, We were offered to set everyone to neutral and they would pour around us like a rock in a river but contray to popular belief we don't really care that much for our station so we let it fall, we had no chance anyway. But we could have taken the bait and stayed but we truely have let go of the ascn/bob war.
We just couldn't sell out to the goons. I really don't care what past **** was between them and BoB. Nope our lot has been cast. Good or Bad we fight with BoB, but please stop fooling yourself, this is all about ascn/war for many, many players. I have seen invictus, cls, Arcs, DS1, Gek, and others I can't think of atm in k-9 over the last couple weeks. If it wasn't about ascn/bob war why would they be so horney to "return" feyth to themselves in the name of the greater goon. Those ex-ascn corps feel they have a devine right to have Feythabolis. I understand that. I have called it home for so long I still it as mine as well.
Good luck and enjoy your game.
And I admit that you advocate on behalf of your corp with passion and eloquence. ***********************************************
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Temerlyn
Minmatar STK Scientific M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.12 08:00:00 -
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Yes i do agree a small or even medium alliance cannot go it alone. As soon as they attack some one they automatically choose a side.
There are many who say we should be neutral and go our own way. Only way to do that is go back to empire. Get real.
All decent 0.0 space is owned by some one. Some one has to be kicked out for us to move in. Thats some one is on bob or goons side.
Despite the forum rants of goons there desire is to destroy bob to stop this.
We have already stated what ever we are doing it will not be with BoB ergo it will be with goonies even if we say its not.
Others in the alliance still think theres a third option and there isn't. There other plans involve us being on goons side without goon support.
Goons desire to kill bob, not take over all of 0.0. In the end i think its the only viable option so we can fight small alliance to small alliance and enjoy good ole fights.
If we do join ragoons in some way i know allies/friends of ours will become red in the future. Eve cannot be played in peace and if everyone suddenly becomes blue most of the eve player base will quit eve out of frustration.
For now its the Target of BoB who will be around awhile. No one can predict what will happen in the future. Some one pulls of a corp theft, some one kills a titan or a log in trap kills a fleet. This has got years in the making before we even see an end.
One day in a few years when we decide to turn on allies its because they know it has to be done, they will relish at the thought of pvp and honor us in such combat and not hold a grudge (Im wishing there of course).
Also one thing about goonies forum posts, despite the stupidity some of them show when they post they have the freedom to post what they will. Many other alliances silence there members because they are worried what they may look like to eve (should say to the forum *****s).
Worst part is some of the leadership is letting the forums dictate there actions :(
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Anglo
Minmatar Astral Mexicans
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Posted - 2007.10.12 08:26:00 -
[1002]
its not a chock to me that bob yet again does this...
Congrats m.pire on finding out. and good luck on the real front!
now people can only hope that some more pets will see the god damn light! but i supose they wont as they fear bob tot much.. but let me tell you this.. bob is NOTHING without its meetshields AKA u the pets....
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Brobuck
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.12 08:30:00 -
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Originally by: Kuolematon I honestly don't get it. EVE has turned to a freaking 2-side blob party where you have to make your side and hope that those big boys don't come and frek your teaparty. There is no room in true 0.0 for small alliances to build and enjoy EVE.
Nothing could be further from the truth. Ask somebody in one of the corps you respect that you used to fight with, that have joined RSF. RSF is built on small alliances in true 0.0, well, and freky teaparties.
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Marcus Druallis
Quantum Industries Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.10.12 08:34:00 -
[1004]
Respect. --
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Malachon Draco
eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.10.12 08:38:00 -
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Edited by: Malachon Draco on 12/10/2007 08:41:33
Originally by: Kuolematon
Originally by: Garek Welcome to the free world :)
Nice to fly with you boys and girls
I'm breaking few rules here but I *MUST* ask this:
Being "BoB pet" and being "Free" but still under Le RAGOON "pet program". Whats the difference really? Links you see in intel channel?
I honestly don't get it. EVE has turned to a freaking 2-side blob party where you have to make your side and hope that those big boys don't come and frek your teaparty. There is no room in true 0.0 for small alliances to build and enjoy EVE.
Sorry Pepperami, don't punish me.
I think lots of people are waiting, hoping that after this war ends, the huge blobs end as well. I know I am. I hope that after the war, the RSF powerblock shatters into 20 different pieces, and same for the MM/Razor block and we can have decent 50 vs 50 fights instead of 200 vs 200.
But of course Paracidic is also right. This is about ASCN as well for quite a few people. While I would not want to resurrect ASCN (ASCN is dead, let it rest in peace), avenging her death is something different. ASCN was in many ways unique in terms of really settling 0.0. So despite all its flaws and failures which became apparent in the end, I think it still holds a special place in many people's minds.
Originally by: paracidic I have seen invictus, cls, Arcs, DS1, Gek, and others I can't think of atm in k-9 over the last couple weeks. If it wasn't about ascn/bob war why would they be so horney to "return" feyth to themselves in the name of the greater goon. Those ex-ascn corps feel they have a devine right to have Feythabolis. I understand that. I have called it home for so long I still it as mine as well.
Don't think it's about Feyth or returning there. At least not for me. That's over, history. Great place to live, but other places are great too. Revenge yes, return no.
Final point, aside from the avenging ASCN there is a distinct difference between the Coalition and the Alliance. The Alliance is run by 1 political entity who calls all the shots and makes all the decisions. The Coalition is much more diverse and much more likely to shatter after the common enemy is defeated. If all you are looking for is an end to the uberblob from hell, then going with the Coalition and finishing off BoB offers a much greater chance IMO that you will get what you want.
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Orebuster
GoonFleet
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Posted - 2007.10.12 08:41:00 -
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Originally by: Temerlyn One day in a few years when we decide to turn on allies its because they know it has to be done, they will relish at the thought of pvp and honor us in such combat and not hold a grudge (Im wishing there of course).
Also one thing about goonies forum posts, despite the stupidity some of them show when they post they have the freedom to post what they will.
Calling grudge war on this spy.
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Lucre
STK Scientific M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.12 10:13:00 -
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Originally by: paracidic But again, if you don't thinsk that Gungan is doing this in part because of what happened then your wrong, ... if you don't think that the chance to repay the favor to BoB isn't in smome way motivation to TC then your delusional, Pyrex, Fitz, Danari, MacCreedy, and dozens of other names are also key players in their own way "paying" back BoB.
I can't speak for the other ex-ASCN corps - some of them may indeed feel the same bitterness and lingering hate for BoB that say some ex-Xetic in E-R felt for ASCN. But STK did a lot of soul-searching when we first mooted joining M.Pire and decided that we had indeed "moved on". And the idea elsewhere that we joined M.Pire as a "fifth column" would be laughable were it not so insulting.
Gung in particular has spoken many times on this in corp recently. How during/after the war he HATED BoB - but how over time he realised that this was excessive, that there were 2 sides to the arguments & that he hadn't always been in the right (albeit through no fault of his own).
I'd be lying if I said some - maybe even most - of our people won't relish shooting BoB again. And I think many an STK oldtimer dreams somewhere in their heart of someday going "home" to AZN - I certainly do, even if dream it will likely stay. But - and perhaps unlike other ex-ASCN corps - it's very much today's grievances with BoB that drive us now, not yesteryear's. |
The Medusa
Minmatar DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.12 10:14:00 -
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Edited by: The Medusa on 12/10/2007 10:14:24
Originally by: paracidic If you for a second think that this is not about BoB vs ASCN then your completely delusional.
Dude, you are so WRONG! This is all about Xetic.. ASCN have nothing to do with it..
And now Chowdowns current crew will be thrown out from all of : Immensea, Impass, Tenerifies, Omist and feythabolis. XTrader can then again start to recruit people so there can really be taken X's i local ..
Btw .. do you have the minerals Paracidic?? those missing Xetic minerals?
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Murdoc Messenger
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.12 10:19:00 -
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One more thing btw.. 36 pages and still rolling...
What are the record before CCP have locked threads before? What corp / alliance hold the total page record in COAD? If the current record haven't been broken yett, and are held by Sir Molle, then I guess...
IBTL are in place... since BOD won't allow STK to gank they're top possition...
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Lucre
STK Scientific M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.12 10:21:00 -
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Originally by: Lucre it's very much today's grievances with BoB that drive us now, not yesteryear's.
And the thought suddenly occurs to me that it may well be the very fact that STK had put past differences with BoB behind us when we joined M.Pire that makes their recent (perceived) treatment of us all the more infuriating. And indeed this may well go some way to explaining the intensity and speed of STK's response to it.
(And I'll equally admit that to an outside observer it may be impossible to see the difference between a new anger and an old one, especially when the latter has so many reasons to be plausible! But believe me or not, new anger is by far the dominant factor here.) |
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Tom Wolf
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Posted - 2007.10.12 10:22:00 -
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Edited by: Tom Wolf on 12/10/2007 10:22:29 Signed
Tom Wolf
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Velios
M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.12 10:38:00 -
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MPIRE LOBBY maxed out at about 40 people the other night, don't think I have ever seen it so busy. It seems that there is a strong desire that our decision really does make a difference.
Lets not skew the reasons for this development, This is NOT a solely STK instigated move.
We feel as individual corps been collectively wronged over a number of years and in a number of situations, some are in-game obvious reasons, and some are more to do with the general attitudes and the way certain (not all I might add) people have behaved over the years who now through various circumstances are part of the BoB leadership.
The scales of tolerance finally tipped, and here we go.
Time for talking has ended on about page 2, time for blowing stuff up (or getting blown up) is about to begin.
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T'Karr
Minmatar Union Of Xtreme Military M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.12 10:49:00 -
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Originally by: Velios
Time for talking has ended on about page 2, time for blowing stuff up (or getting blown up) is about to begin.
Yay! pewpew!
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Red Gabba
M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.12 11:35:00 -
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Originally by: Velios
The scales of tolerance finally tipped, and here we go.
Time for talking has ended on about page 2, time for blowing stuff up (or getting blown up) is about to begin.
RSF, we are stealing your targets.
Tick tock
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Ogodai John
The Bakhunov Family
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Posted - 2007.10.12 11:40:00 -
[1015]
Originally by: Red Gabba
RSF, we are stealing your targets.
Tick tock
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Mag's
MASS Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service
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Posted - 2007.10.12 11:46:00 -
[1016]
Originally by: Red Gabba
RSF, we are stealing your targets.
Tick tock
We have thread winner.
Mag's
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endeavour x
Amesha Spentaz Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.12 11:48:00 -
[1017]
Epic. Welcome to The other side.
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KBP7 GriefingAlt
Enough is Enough
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Posted - 2007.10.12 11:48:00 -
[1018]
Originally by: Ogodai John
Originally by: Red Gabba
RSF, we are stealing your targets.
Tick tock
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malet
Quam Singulari
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Posted - 2007.10.12 11:55:00 -
[1019]
Edited by: malet on 12/10/2007 11:55:51 an interesting move M.Pire, but nice to see you didnt just roll over and die. Good luck in your new venture. who never know you may a find a quam pirating gang ganking some bob logistics in a system near you soon
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niroshido
Caldari M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.12 12:19:00 -
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KBP7 omfg lol, that is quality, im in stitches emote totem pole ftw
by the way i will be wearing a kilt to the battlefield, BE WARNED updrafts are common
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Vega Vuf
Caldari The Silent Rage M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.12 12:23:00 -
[1021]
Signed, loaded up and truckin'
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Gneeznow
Minmatar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.10.12 12:36:00 -
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Edited by: Gneeznow on 12/10/2007 12:37:01
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xenobite 666
Winds of Dawn Praesidium Libertatis
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Posted - 2007.10.12 12:38:00 -
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I must say M.Pire did the best thing they could do Props to them... =====Only Death Is Eternal===== Trade feedback Linkage |
Faith Black
Minmatar Rolls Roids
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Posted - 2007.10.12 12:43:00 -
[1024]
Edited by: Faith Black on 12/10/2007 12:45:11
Originally by: Brobuck
Originally by: Kuolematon I honestly don't get it. EVE has turned to a freaking 2-side blob party where you have to make your side and hope that those big boys don't come and frek your teaparty. There is no room in true 0.0 for small alliances to build and enjoy EVE.
Nothing could be further from the truth. Ask somebody in one of the corps you respect that you used to fight with, that have joined RSF. RSF is built on small alliances in true 0.0, well, and freky teaparties.
He meant no room for small alliances, who want to be independant and do their own politics without getting into this BoB/Goon thing. RSF is a coalition, a meta-alliance. The smaller alliances, who are in it, aren't independent, they are part of a politics that's only about the Goon vs. BoB thing, otherwise they wouldn't be in RSF and controlling some space. There are two packs of dogs against eachother and you need to join one pack of them and bark loud to get rewarded with some space.
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maGz
Dark Knights of Deneb Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.10.12 12:52:00 -
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Originally by: Red Gabba
RSF, we are stealing your targets.
Tick tock
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Kriger
x13
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Posted - 2007.10.12 12:53:00 -
[1026]
sounds like m.pire is a bit divided as to what this split from BoB means - STK wanna go play with goons. m.corp want to be considered at new 'neutral' entity. which is it?
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Azaries
Damage Unlimited Inc
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Posted - 2007.10.12 12:54:00 -
[1027]
Originally by: Faith Black Edited by: Faith Black on 12/10/2007 12:45:11
Originally by: Brobuck
Originally by: Kuolematon I honestly don't get it. EVE has turned to a freaking 2-side blob party where you have to make your side and hope that those big boys don't come and frek your teaparty. There is no room in true 0.0 for small alliances to build and enjoy EVE.
Nothing could be further from the truth. Ask somebody in one of the corps you respect that you used to fight with, that have joined RSF. RSF is built on small alliances in true 0.0, well, and freky teaparties.
He meant no room for small alliances, who want to be independant and do their own politics without getting into this BoB/Goon thing. RSF is a coalition, a meta-alliance. The smaller alliances, who are in it, aren't independent, they are part of a politics that's only about the Goon vs. BoB thing, otherwise they wouldn't be in RSF and controlling some space. There are two packs of dogs against eachother and you need to join one pack of them and bark loud to get rewarded with some space.
sad but true,
At any rate interesting move and EvE politics are always interesting to watch unfold.
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Drone Spammer
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Posted - 2007.10.12 12:54:00 -
[1028]
Your sig is a little large
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Azareis
State War Academy
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Posted - 2007.10.12 13:00:00 -
[1029]
Edited by: Azareis on 12/10/2007 13:00:41
Originally by: Drone Spammer Your sig is a little large
rofl, yeah sorry about that I updated it and then posted with an alt (like that's a tough alt to figure out)
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OozoO
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.12 13:02:00 -
[1030]
Originally by: Red Gabba
RSF, we are stealing your targets.
Tick tock
this is the best post Do not discuss moderator actions or troll in your sig. -Kaemonn Email if you understand and your sig will be unlocked.([email protected]) |
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NATMav
F.R.E.E. Explorer Atrum Tempestas Foedus
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Posted - 2007.10.12 13:06:00 -
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Edited by: NATMav on 12/10/2007 13:06:13 Millions upon millions of SP, and you forgot to train this skill.
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SamuraiJack
Caldari Celestial Horizon Corp. Valainaloce
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Posted - 2007.10.12 13:50:00 -
[1032]
Originally by: paracidic
At least CoRM waited until Virtuozzo came to them and said that ASCN was done and CoRM was free to make their own path. Yet the goonsmackbrigade calls that treason and traitor etc.
/me nods. Aftershock risked major hassle to ensure other ASCN corps could remove assets in a timely fashion. He has my respect for that.
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But when they make an offer to a current enemy who then suddenly flips to the goon side that is a great thing for their corp, very honorable and much respect etc etc etc.
This has absolutely everything to do with ASCN. it seems that almost every ASCN corp has found their way back together again and fighting.
This war is almost what it should have been a year ago except that all the players now involved ignored Cyvoks request for help. <edit>
To all the haters out there, please keep in mind that this is just a game. Everyone plays it for their own reasons and one persons reasons are no less valid then the others. <snip>
Respect to all players in this epic contest.
/me bows.
Catch u on the Flipside para. Honor still has its worth in this game.
SJ. CLS CEO, Valainloce Executor and Standings Director =-
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SamuraiJack
Caldari Celestial Horizon Corp. Valainaloce
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Posted - 2007.10.12 13:57:00 -
[1033]
Originally by: Red Gabba
Originally by: Velios
The scales of tolerance finally tipped, and here we go.
Time for talking has ended on about page 2, time for blowing stuff up (or getting blown up) is about to begin.
RSF, we are stealing your targets.
Tick tock
<splutter>
You git... You owe me a new coffee and keyboard.
F'ng A+++
/me goes to find cloth and screwdriver.
SJ. CLS CEO, Valainloce Executor and Standings Director =-
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SamuraiJack
Caldari Celestial Horizon Corp. Valainaloce
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Posted - 2007.10.12 14:04:00 -
[1034]
Originally by: Malachon Draco
I think lots of people are waiting, hoping that after this war ends, the huge blobs end as well. I know I am. I hope that after the war, the RSF powerblock shatters into 20 different pieces, and same for the MM/Razor block and we can have decent 50 vs 50 fights instead of 200 vs 200.
Heh. The old fleet fights. Much fun to be had and the casual pew pew. Those were the days.
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But of course Paracidic is also right. This is about ASCN as well for quite a few people. While I would not want to resurrect ASCN (ASCN is dead, let it rest in peace), avenging her death is something different. ASCN was in many ways unique in terms of really settling 0.0. So despite all its flaws and failures which became apparent in the end, I think it still holds a special place in many people's minds.
Its an Ex-Parrot yes. But it was the forerunner of organisation and how a allaince should be run. The market thrived. Things worked... Then the Sandbox Bully decided to spoil the party. So its only fair that Karma is a bytch and the flipside is back to make sure someone learns it.
Originally by: Malachon Draco
Originally by: paracidic I have seen invictus, cls, Arcs, DS1, Gek, and others I can't think of atm in k-9 over the last couple weeks. If it wasn't about ascn/bob war why would they be so horney to "return" feyth to themselves in the name of the greater goon. Those ex-ascn corps feel they have a devine right to have Feythabolis. I understand that. I have called it home for so long I still it as mine as well.
Don't think it's about Feyth or returning there. At least not for me. That's over, history. Great place to live, but other places are great too. Revenge yes, return no.
Final point, aside from the avenging ASCN there is a distinct difference between the Coalition and the Alliance. The Alliance is run by 1 political entity who calls all the shots and makes all the decisions. The Coalition is much more diverse and much more likely to shatter after the common enemy is defeated. If all you are looking for is an end to the uberblob from hell, then going with the Coalition and finishing off BoB offers a much greater chance IMO that you will get what you want.
Oh i dunno... Valainaloce is pretty much a dictatorship... but I'm pretty laid back :P
And as for revenge... Poetry in motion... just poetry in motion.
SJ. CLS CEO, Valainloce Executor and Standings Director =-
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Dramaticus
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.12 14:10:00 -
[1035]
Originally by: Red Gabba
Originally by: Velios
The scales of tolerance finally tipped, and here we go.
Time for talking has ended on about page 2, time for blowing stuff up (or getting blown up) is about to begin.
RSF, we are stealing your targets.
Tick tock
The pendulum enters another phase!
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Grimpak
Gallente Trinity Nova KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.12 14:14:00 -
[1036]
Originally by: Dramaticus
Originally by: Red Gabba
Originally by: Velios
The scales of tolerance finally tipped, and here we go.
Time for talking has ended on about page 2, time for blowing stuff up (or getting blown up) is about to begin.
RSF, we are stealing your targets.
Tick tock
The pendulum enters another phase!
I have to ask molle tho:
wich pendulum phase is this?
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Dominya
The Silent Rage M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.12 14:28:00 -
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Signed ..i.. .............. Sure God's all powerful.BUT DOES HE HAVE LIPS?!?!?! |
niroshido
Caldari M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.12 14:37:00 -
[1038]
Quote: I have to ask molle tho:
wich pendulum phase is this?
the one where the pendulum smacks BOB in the sack
so anyways theres a large party and its on BOB, theres no charge for entry, but there is an entry requirement of 1 BOB corpse or 2 BOB pet corpses
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Faith Black
Minmatar Rolls Roids
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Posted - 2007.10.12 14:43:00 -
[1039]
Edited by: Faith Black on 12/10/2007 14:43:39
Originally by: niroshido but there is an entry requirement of 1 BOB corpse or 2 BOB pet corpses
Don't you think that it's a bit strange to talk about your former allies/friends as BoB pets ? Something that you have been called yourself until only a few days ago and you didn't like it ?
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niroshido
Caldari M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.12 14:48:00 -
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Originally by: Faith Black Edited by: Faith Black on 12/10/2007 14:43:39
Originally by: niroshido but there is an entry requirement of 1 BOB corpse or 2 BOB pet corpses
Don't you think that it's a bit strange to talk about your former allies/friends as BoB pets ? Something that you have been called yourself until only a few days ago and you didn't like it ?
ya ur right
i admit to feeling sorry for all those who have to pay bob, and only wish they make the choice to stand away from BOB and learn that BOB are not needed anymore
MPIRE though nvr paid BOB for anything but meerly offered BOB assistance (BOB never asked us to go anywhere), thus the whole changing sides away from bob thing
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Riddlock
Minmatar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.10.12 14:49:00 -
[1041]
haha :)
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niroshido
Caldari M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.12 14:53:00 -
[1042]
Originally by: Riddlock haha :)
love you
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Myz Toyou
Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.10.12 14:55:00 -
[1043]
Originally by: Riddlock haha :)
Why you laughing Riddlock ? You were one of the first ASCN guys who jumped ship after we were down ! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Your signature image exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected])
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Lasakywa
Section XIII Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.10.12 15:03:00 -
[1044]
Edited by: Lasakywa on 12/10/2007 15:03:36 1100 ?
ah yes..
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Riddlock
Minmatar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.10.12 15:17:00 -
[1045]
Originally by: Myz Toyou
Originally by: Riddlock haha :)
Why you laughing Riddlock ? You were one of the first ASCN guys who jumped ship after we were down !
Yea ,I admit it I am ASCN traitor extraordinaire and BOB licker . On the other hand , I laff at 34++ pages of crap , mind me ?:P
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Valkyriena
Madhatters Inc. M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.12 15:23:00 -
[1046]
Originally by: Lasakywa Edited by: Lasakywa on 12/10/2007 15:03:36 1100 ?
ah yes..
Bien jouT ------ Should be something here right ? Oh a sig ?... who cares ? |
Tw4t Licker
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.10.12 15:28:00 -
[1047]
OK, I see what this is all about. It's about M.Pire trying to cover their tracks of their weak leadership's role in surrendering to RZR/MM. I mean look at it. You surrendered ALL POS+STATIONS....for what? To get safe travel out of Branch area? To save your insurable battleships?
The truth of the matter is that you backstabbed all of your friends up north. You made a back room deal to get your **** out of branch. Only a fool or coward would surrender countless POS's and equipment plus all those stations JUST to get their stuff out. Why didn't you fight it out and in the process move your stuff out with your carriers and JUMP BRIDGES while your pvp element tried a delaying tactic to keep the hostiles busy?
Reason why is because you made a back room deal. And what do you do? You offer to "help" bob with their fight. Yeah, and in the process you wanted rights to mine and npc in bob's space. You felt that if you offered a few token capitals to show you are "helping" out, then you can npc/mine to your hearts content getting rich off of Delve or where ever. You guys are nothing but carebears/business types who will run at the first sign of un-profitability. You are leeches and everyone in the know understands this.
And on top of it, while dealing with BoB, you are also dealing with Goons to see who you can get the better deal from. Yeah, you guys have proven your double dealers in every way. You and goons will make good bedfellows.
ps, I am sure after all the war stuff is over with, that goons will relish backstabbing you right after this because they will love to do that to Velios and other ex-LV guys, you can count on it.
Mark my words, M.Pire will come down and do a little shooting to show their "serious business". Month later you will see them mining and npcing to their hearts content in Immensea.
That is, until either BoB's juggernaught comes rolling in or Goons do something to you before hand.
Quote this when it happens
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SamuraiJack
Caldari Celestial Horizon Corp. Valainaloce
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Posted - 2007.10.12 15:33:00 -
[1048]
Originally by: Tw4t Licker
That is, until either BoB's juggernaught comes rolling in or Goons do something to you before hand.
Krystal's getting out of bed? Thats the only bob juggernaught i've heard off :P or is that Juggs naughty?
/me gets coat...
SJ. CLS CEO, Valainloce Executor and Standings Director =-
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niroshido
Caldari M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.12 15:34:00 -
[1049]
Originally by: Tw4t Licker OK, I see what this is all about. It's about M.Pire trying to cover their tracks of their weak leadership's role in surrendering to RZR/MM. I mean look at it. You surrendered ALL POS+STATIONS....for what? To get safe travel out of Branch area? To save your insurable battleships?
The truth of the matter is that you backstabbed all of your friends up north. You made a back room deal to get your **** out of branch. Only a fool or coward would surrender countless POS's and equipment plus all those stations JUST to get their stuff out. Why didn't you fight it out and in the process move your stuff out with your carriers and JUMP BRIDGES while your pvp element tried a delaying tactic to keep the hostiles busy?
Reason why is because you made a back room deal. And what do you do? You offer to "help" bob with their fight. Yeah, and in the process you wanted rights to mine and npc in bob's space. You felt that if you offered a few token capitals to show you are "helping" out, then you can npc/mine to your hearts content getting rich off of Delve or where ever. You guys are nothing but carebears/business types who will run at the first sign of un-profitability. You are leeches and everyone in the know understands this.
And on top of it, while dealing with BoB, you are also dealing with Goons to see who you can get the better deal from. Yeah, you guys have proven your double dealers in every way. You and goons will make good bedfellows.
ps, I am sure after all the war stuff is over with, that goons will relish backstabbing you right after this because they will love to do that to Velios and other ex-LV guys, you can count on it.
Mark my words, M.Pire will come down and do a little shooting to show their "serious business". Month later you will see them mining and npcing to their hearts content in Immensea.
That is, until either BoB's juggernaught comes rolling in or Goons do something to you before hand.
Quote this when it happens
nice name alt
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Gontard
Minmatar E-Truth
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Posted - 2007.10.12 15:35:00 -
[1050]
Originally by: Tw4t Licker OK, I see what this is all about. It's about M.Pire trying to cover their tracks of their weak leadership's role in surrendering to RZR/MM. I mean look at it. You surrendered ALL POS+STATIONS....for what? To get safe travel out of Branch area? To save your insurable battleships?
The truth of the matter is that you backstabbed all of your friends up north. You made a back room deal to get your **** out of branch. Only a fool or coward would surrender countless POS's and equipment plus all those stations JUST to get their stuff out. Why didn't you fight it out and in the process move your stuff out with your carriers and JUMP BRIDGES while your pvp element tried a delaying tactic to keep the hostiles busy?
Reason why is because you made a back room deal. And what do you do? You offer to "help" bob with their fight. Yeah, and in the process you wanted rights to mine and npc in bob's space. You felt that if you offered a few token capitals to show you are "helping" out, then you can npc/mine to your hearts content getting rich off of Delve or where ever. You guys are nothing but carebears/business types who will run at the first sign of un-profitability. You are leeches and everyone in the know understands this.
And on top of it, while dealing with BoB, you are also dealing with Goons to see who you can get the better deal from. Yeah, you guys have proven your double dealers in every way. You and goons will make good bedfellows.
ps, I am sure after all the war stuff is over with, that goons will relish backstabbing you right after this because they will love to do that to Velios and other ex-LV guys, you can count on it.
Mark my words, M.Pire will come down and do a little shooting to show their "serious business". Month later you will see them mining and npcing to their hearts content in Immensea.
That is, until either BoB's juggernaught comes rolling in or Goons do something to you before hand.
Quote this when it happens [/quote
You may want to add your corp ticker.
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Zagum Darkfin
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.10.12 15:36:00 -
[1051]
Its time for the BOB SPAM!!!!
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Karim alRashid
Gallente principle of motion Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.10.12 15:38:00 -
[1052]
Originally by: Tw4t Licker stuff
Hello, Caldari Citizen XXX
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Faith Black
Minmatar Rolls Roids
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Posted - 2007.10.12 15:43:00 -
[1053]
Edited by: Faith Black on 12/10/2007 15:44:01
Originally by: Riddlock
Originally by: Myz Toyou
Originally by: Riddlock haha :)
Why you laughing Riddlock ? You were one of the first ASCN guys who jumped ship after we were down !
... On the other hand , I laff at 34++ pages of crap , mind me ?:P
I fail to see how this is funny. If STK has been given an offer or been in talks, I wouldn't be surprised that it were Goons itself, who made sure that BoB gets aware of it.
But no matter, what the reason for it is, clever goonplay or someone in BoB utterly failing at diplomicy and common sense, one thing is for sure, this is a major propaganda victory for Goonswarm. And not only propaganda. If a former BoB ally with a big capital fleet turns against BoB and you give them something in their hands that makes it even understandable somehow, it means something. It's gonna hurt BoB and friends, especially if we assume that the new old north is likely to attack BoB space some time after the TRI/-Y- thing is over.
Ok, enough alt posting, I'm out.
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Digicomm
The Scope
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Posted - 2007.10.12 15:56:00 -
[1054]
Edited by: Digicomm on 12/10/2007 15:56:32 ooops.
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Velios
M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.12 15:57:00 -
[1055]
Originally by: Tw4t Licker The truth of the matter is that you backstabbed all of your friends up north. You made a back room deal to get your **** out of branch. Only a fool or coward would surrender countless POS's and equipment plus all those stations JUST to get their stuff out. Why didn't you fight it out and in the process move your stuff out with your carriers and JUMP BRIDGES while your pvp element tried a delaying tactic to keep the hostiles busy?
OK, well here goes. Firstly you are a Tw4t, lets get that straight, and I doubt you have ever been near a real one in your life, maybe one of those fake rubber ones though that I saw in SoHo once.
The decision to surrender was made in the middle of the night by a few guys that were physically and mentally exhausted with all the stress. They made a snap decision, it was a shock to some, and many thought that it was premature to do it without going down the whole e-honour route of standing to the last man, and the last station... but there you go. The decision was made by a few guys that are now taking a break from the game entirely - they were exhausted, and saw no other option. For their health reasons alone, I back them in making that decision.
Originally by: Tw4t Licker Reason why is because you made a back room deal. And what do you do? You offer to "help" bob with their fight. Yeah, and in the process you wanted rights to mine and npc in bob's space. You felt that if you offered a few token capitals to show you are "helping" out, then you can npc/mine to your hearts content getting rich off of Delve or where ever. You guys are nothing but carebears/business types who will run at the first sign of un-profitability. You are leeches and everyone in the know understands this.
ò Firstly, let me again mention that you are a tw4t ò At no time did we approach bob about rental deals or anything - we don't rent space. ò We don't need to get rich, we are rich enough thankyou. ò We had no intention of carebearing - that is not what we do, can anyone here remember the last M.Corp mining op they saw? No. ò We are not leeches, we fight and make our own way.
Originally by: Tw4t Licker And on top of it, while dealing with BoB, you are also dealing with Goons to see who you can get the better deal from. Yeah, you guys have proven your double dealers in every way. You and goons will make good bedfellows.
ò Goons only came into the the equasion after our communication with BoB had ceased, after we were effectively snubbed (see Fata's timeline elsewhere in the thread for that) ò Goons are certainly not the only group that have been in contact, there are a lot of other interesting roads on the table. ò Do goons make good bedfellows with anyone? Theres a job to be done, everyone can see that. Well nearly everyone obviously.
Originally by: Tw4t Licker ps, I am sure after all the war stuff is over with, that goons will relish backstabbing you right after this because they will love to do that to Velios and other ex-LV guys, you can count on it.
Who cares? Thats all for the future to decide, it certainly doesn't scare us off taking part in the job at hand. We have been shafted by people we thought were allies enough times in the past to survive it again in the future.
Originally by: Tw4t Licker Mark my words, M.Pire will come down and do a little shooting to show their "serious business". Month later you will see them mining and npcing to their hearts content in Immensea.
Consider your words marked, and soon to be laughed at by the vast majority, tw4t.
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CrispyKritters
Caldari GoonFleet
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Posted - 2007.10.12 15:58:00 -
[1056]
Edited by: CrispyKritters on 12/10/2007 15:59:15 Edited by: CrispyKritters on 12/10/2007 15:59:05 Edited by: CrispyKritters on 12/10/2007 15:57:54
Originally by: Tw4t Licker
That is, until either BoB's juggernaught comes rolling in or Goons do something to you before hand.
Quote this when it happens
Is this the same juggernaught that went from 9-9 to 66- to ooy? I'm impressed with the pace of this bob juggernaught
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Natas Dog
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.12 16:05:00 -
[1057]
The juggernaut might not have brakes, but it sure has reverse!
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Ramlir
0.0 Corp
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Posted - 2007.10.12 16:06:00 -
[1058]
Originally by: CrispyKritters
Is this the same juggernaught that went from 9-9 to 66- to ooy? I'm impressed with the pace of this bob juggernaught
Its pace is fine, its direction leaves a lot to be desired.
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Pnuka
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.12 16:06:00 -
[1059]
http://www.killboard.net/details/198843/
First Blood!
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Pareth Avedia
M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.12 16:11:00 -
[1060]
Thats Wei, he will be pleased to meet you all :) |
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sophisticatedlimabean
Gallente The JORG Corporation Methods of Mayhem Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.12 16:31:00 -
[1061]
Can anybody confirm/deny if the POS in BKG with the MPIRE TITAN BPO on research is down or is it still running?.
My views may represent those of my corp/alliance but you will have to ask em to be sure. |
Atric
Gallente M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.12 16:31:00 -
[1062]
Yup,
Wei is a wrecking crew himself. Just ask Razor and MM, they will remember him as fondly as we remember Ernest and crew
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Morgassana
Caldari Habius Corpus
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Posted - 2007.10.12 16:36:00 -
[1063]
Yes, Wei is most definetly a killer of the highest sorts... His kill/loss ratio is excellent |
Athena Rivera
Minmatar Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.10.12 16:39:00 -
[1064]
In any event, good luck to you guys. Once great allies and now enemies. Say hi to Gungankllr and Helen for me. Have fun on the battlefield. o/
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Gloomrake Ono
Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.10.12 16:40:00 -
[1065]
OMG they killed Monto, thats it sexy fun time is over...expect camel wrath.
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Natas Dog
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.12 16:47:00 -
[1066]
I never expected this thread to hit 1000 posts. How are things going M.Pire? I hope things are going smoothly with your transition from the alliance to the coalition. Hope to see you in the south soon, where we can carebear it up in ex-pet space.
_______________________________________________________________ He who laughs last... is usually the one the joke was about. |
Benny Hill
Caldari Deceased Inc
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Posted - 2007.10.12 17:01:00 -
[1067]
Originally by: Faith Black Edited by: Faith Black on 12/10/2007 14:43:39
Originally by: niroshido but there is an entry requirement of 1 BOB corpse or 2 BOB pet corpses
Don't you think that it's a bit strange to talk about your former allies/friends as BoB pets ? Something that you have been called yourself until only a few days ago and you didn't like it ?
You have a point. They are BoD slaves, not pets.
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Benny Hill
Caldari Deceased Inc
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Posted - 2007.10.12 17:04:00 -
[1068]
What also readily apparent is that Molle has failed himself. Where are all his forum spies?
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JeanPaul Sartre
26th of July Movement
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Posted - 2007.10.12 17:05:00 -
[1069]
Originally by: Velios OK, well here goes. Firstly you are a Tw4t, lets get that straight, and I doubt you have ever been near a real one in your life, maybe one of those fake rubber ones though that I saw in SoHo once.
I read this much and couldnt get my head around how you burnt that guy. I doubt he'll ever be able to recover from this internet bruising.
<Golf Clap> --
Quote: If a victory is told in detail, one can no longer distinguish it from a defeat.
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Avon
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.10.12 17:07:00 -
[1070]
Originally by: Velios The decision was made by a few guys that are now taking a break from the game entirely - they were exhausted, and saw no other option. For their health reasons alone, I back them in making that decision.
In all honesty I hope that they are well and enjoy their break. Forum posturing is all well and good, but this is not something to try and score points over.
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
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Grath Telkin
Amarr STK Scientific M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.12 17:15:00 -
[1071]
Originally by: Tw4t Licker OK, I see what this is all about. It's about M.Pire trying to cover their tracks of their weak leadership's role in surrendering to RZR/MM. I mean look at it. You surrendered ALL POS+STATIONS....for what? To get safe travel out of Branch area? To save your insurable battleships?
The truth of the matter is that you backstabbed all of your friends up north. You made a back room deal to get your **** out of branch. Only a fool or coward would surrender countless POS's and equipment plus all those stations JUST to get their stuff out. Why didn't you fight it out and in the process move your stuff out with your carriers and JUMP BRIDGES while your pvp element tried a delaying tactic to keep the hostiles busy?
Reason why is because you made a back room deal. And what do you do? You offer to "help" bob with their fight. Yeah, and in the process you wanted rights to mine and npc in bob's space. You felt that if you offered a few token capitals to show you are "helping" out, then you can npc/mine to your hearts content getting rich off of Delve or where ever. You guys are nothing but carebears/business types who will run at the first sign of un-profitability. You are leeches and everyone in the know understands this.
And on top of it, while dealing with BoB, you are also dealing with Goons to see who you can get the better deal from. Yeah, you guys have proven your double dealers in every way. You and goons will make good bedfellows.
ps, I am sure after all the war stuff is over with, that goons will relish backstabbing you right after this because they will love to do that to Velios and other ex-LV guys, you can count on it.
Mark my words, M.Pire will come down and do a little shooting to show their "serious business". Month later you will see them mining and npcing to their hearts content in Immensea.
That is, until either BoB's juggernaught comes rolling in or Goons do something to you before hand.
Quote this when it happens
Price check on a Clue, isle 4!
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Helen
MASS Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service
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Posted - 2007.10.12 17:17:00 -
[1072]
Originally by: paracidic
we don't really care that much for our station so we let it fall
So thats why you choose not to go with the rest to make a stand in RIT but choose to turn so you can keep K-9? GG.
First pod pilot to lose a Mothership in EvE... err woo |
Savel
M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.12 17:45:00 -
[1073]
- Signed.
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Maenoise
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Posted - 2007.10.12 17:56:00 -
[1074]
Edited by: Maenoise on 12/10/2007 17:56:03
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Havras
The Syndicate Inc
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Posted - 2007.10.12 17:56:00 -
[1075]
Originally by: Helen
Originally by: paracidic
we don't really care that much for our station so we let it fall
So thats why you choose not to go with the rest to make a stand in RIT but choose to turn so you can keep K-9? GG.
LOL. I had just read his post and was thinking the same thing. I quite clearly remember the offer made for them to consolodate in the triangle as it was more defensible then k-9 and we were told "No, we're going to fight for the stations we built until we can't fight anymore. They aren't taking our homes."
And now suddenly they didn't want those stations anyway
Quote: If an advisor says to me "My liege, he is but one man. What can one man possibly do?", I will reply "This." and kill the advisor.
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Ivor Gunn
No One Expects The Spanish Inquisition
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Posted - 2007.10.12 17:59:00 -
[1076]
Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean Can anybody confirm/deny if the POS in BKG with the MPIRE TITAN BPO on research is down or is it still running?.
Remote. Research.
You really are as stupid as you sound.
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Relifan Ratatil
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.10.12 18:02:00 -
[1077]
i dont care what you say velios
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sophisticatedlimabean
Gallente The JORG Corporation Methods of Mayhem Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.12 18:16:00 -
[1078]
Originally by: Ivor Gunn
Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean Can anybody confirm/deny if the POS in BKG with the MPIRE TITAN BPO on research is down or is it still running?.
Remote. Research.
You really are as stupid as you sound.
And obviously with a name like yours your the epitome of smarts and culture.
My views may represent those of my corp/alliance but you will have to ask em to be sure. |
Tetsujin
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.12 18:23:00 -
[1079]
Originally by: Velios
ò Do goons make good bedfellows with anyone?
Absolutely*
*if you like big stinky sweaty gross ugly slobs with thick glasses and buck teeth who live with their parents and collect manga figurines.
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Jags
Minmatar M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.12 18:27:00 -
[1080]
Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean Can anybody confirm/deny if the POS in BKG with the MPIRE TITAN BPO on research is down or is it still running?.
Dear Mr Sophisticatedmongbean
NO
And there is no Titan BPO just a BPC , WTS for 35bn
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Ivor Gunn
No One Expects The Spanish Inquisition
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Posted - 2007.10.12 18:44:00 -
[1081]
Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean ps; your a r*tard
I ******* lol'd.
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Garok Nor
Caldari Blueprint Haus Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.12 18:44:00 -
[1082]
Nice allies... we'll take em???? LOL
Much respect to M.pire for their display of self-respect, and that's on top of the amount of respect I already had for ya's for your tenacity up here in the North.
Of course I MIGHT be a tad self interested here... No matter how I turn this over in my mind, I can't see where this can be anything but good for those of us on this side of the "Great War"(TM). If you guys fight against BoB even half as fiercely as you fought against us this could be a major blow to the GBC at best, a distraction at worse.
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Kiyirari
Raiders of the Lost Pantie's
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Posted - 2007.10.12 19:06:00 -
[1083]
Welcome to the BoB BBQ M.pire, i'd like my mollie done medium rare plz with cheese
Even with a sizable capital fleet which M.pire can field i'm sure BoB's epeen must of been standing in the way when they said 6 BN a month
The tide is turning and when will MC finally wake up and sniff the coffee
Revenge is my god and my guns are her angels |
Jaabaa Prime
M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.12 19:19:00 -
[1084]
/signed --
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Fabienne Sovicou
Gallente M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.12 20:07:00 -
[1085]
/ SIGNED !!!
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WraithFire
Cassandra's Light Dark Matter Coalition
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Posted - 2007.10.12 20:18:00 -
[1086]
Originally by: Tholarim
all water under the bridge though, allthough we get accused of **** all the time and are used to it i sometimes feel the need to correct any blatant lies
Tholarim, you sweet tart, the only blatant lie here is the one you're posting. Please don't insult our intelligence by doing this coz alot of peeps here already know that you are blatantly lying and you know that. Keep it real man.
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Carebears? Where?
Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels -Kreul Intentions ([email protected])
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JeanPaul Sartre
26th of July Movement
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Posted - 2007.10.12 21:05:00 -
[1087]
Ok hands up who is waiting for the 1337 post? --
Quote: If a victory is told in detail, one can no longer distinguish it from a defeat.
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Alias11
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.12 21:12:00 -
[1088]
Originally by: CrispyKritters Edited by: CrispyKritters on 12/10/2007 15:59:15 Edited by: CrispyKritters on 12/10/2007 15:59:05 Edited by: CrispyKritters on 12/10/2007 15:57:54
Originally by: Tw4t Licker
That is, until either BoB's juggernaught comes rolling in or Goons do something to you before hand.
Quote this when it happens
Is this the same juggernaught that went from 9-9 to 66- to ooy? I'm impressed with the pace of this bob juggernaught
No one in bob can drive a stick, and the steamroller is a standard.
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Serret
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.10.12 21:14:00 -
[1089]
Originally by: IamBen M.Corps industrial backbone is uber. Cant believe BoB is so stupid to try to give them the shaft like that.
Tee hee hee hee!!!! That good old Industrial Backbone.... --
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Jacob Majestic
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.12 21:15:00 -
[1090]
Originally by: Zastrow Goonfleet just released their official stance on this development: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=reply&threadID=611554
o shi
___
Originally by: steamy thank you Hippoking for doing a Jacob on the goons
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mamolian
M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.12 21:19:00 -
[1091]
Originally by: Jacob Majestic
Originally by: Zastrow Goonfleet just released their official stance on this development: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=reply&threadID=611554
o shi
Thats the last time I click on a url without checking it!
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Dave White
Beagle Corp
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Posted - 2007.10.12 21:20:00 -
[1092]
Edited by: Dave White on 12/10/2007 21:20:33
Originally by: Zastrow Goonfleet just released their official stance on this development: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=reply&threadID=611554
I did not just fall for that
Originally by: GM Tacgnol Oveur descended from the heavens (also known as the second floor) and beat us all with his nerfbat.
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Rachen Mysuna
Brotherhood of Polar Equation Mordus Angels
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Posted - 2007.10.12 21:45:00 -
[1093]
Edited by: Rachen Mysuna on 12/10/2007 21:46:04 doesn't look very good for bob, but im sure that they expected it and made arrangements accordingly
**** got rick roll'd again
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Hellen Kellor
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Posted - 2007.10.12 21:59:00 -
[1094]
THIS LINK SUMS UP THE LAST FEW MONTHS IN EVE
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Oofig VanDoogan
The Knighthawks FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.12 22:11:00 -
[1095]
Originally by: Hellen Kellor
THIS LINK SUMS UP THE LAST FEW MONTHS IN EVE
Downvoted.
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Riproar
Black Lance Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.10.12 22:44:00 -
[1096]
bit late signing this. but good job. lets bring Bob down, will be good for eve
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Drama Llama
DramaLlamaDingDong
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Posted - 2007.10.12 22:57:00 -
[1097]
I like this thread.
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Riddlock
Minmatar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.10.12 22:58:00 -
[1098]
cant wait to see cyvok riding a white hulk entering azn tractor beamed by stk and darkstar 1
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Orree
Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.10.12 23:07:00 -
[1099]
Originally by: Zigadenus Ha I almost forgot.
Go Rockies!!
Oh no..they must go down..and they must go down hard---though it's obviously not going to be a sweep like it was with those hapless Cubbies.
(I'm from Phoenix).
"How much easier it is to be critical than to be correct." ---Benjamin Disraeli |
Durania
STK Scientific
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Posted - 2007.10.12 23:12:00 -
[1100]
Since I'm spending far too much time posting on these boards this year /signed
I really don't like thinking how many missions I've done over time, or how long they've taken on average. |
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Garok Nor
Caldari Blueprint Haus Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.12 23:31:00 -
[1101]
Originally by: August Personage
Originally by: Havras
Originally by: August Personage their alliance with RSF now doesn't doesn't demonstrate the ability to go anywhere at all, that demonstrates their unwillingness to actually do something for themselves and their ridiculous reliance on any other alliance, even if it has to be their "oldest, bitterest enemy". had gone on to take their own space from someone else, rather than what they will do now, which is simply ride on the coat tails of another organisation; i would agree with you, that m.pire is a capable alliance, who would make a worthy addition to the RSF, and that the GBC would have quite clearly made a huge mistake in turning them away. as it stands, i can't say i do.
And their ability to hold space is being judge by you based on.. your entire 11 months of experience playing eve in a 2 member alt corp... right? Grow some balls and post with your main.
their ability to hold space is evident, they do not have any space after they gave theirs up. if you want to contest that, go ahead. although somehow i doubt you will, its far easier to go LOLITSANALT, than actually think for longer than 3 seconds and present a valid argument. your reply goes no where in convincing me that i am a coward, it simply puts me in the frame of mind to think that perhaps you are not particularly intelligent.
So you'll be taking BKG when exactly?
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Galactic reporter
Galactic reporter independant news corp
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Posted - 2007.10.12 23:36:00 -
[1102]
Originally by: Riddlock cant wait to see cyvok riding a white hulk entering azn tractor beamed by stk and darkstar 1
?no lolz to be had by this post
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Victor Vision
Central Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2007.10.12 23:41:00 -
[1103]
Edited by: Victor Vision on 12/10/2007 23:41:29
Welcome, M.Pire!
EVE War I - Quick Overview (Feb/March)
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Smithers11
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Posted - 2007.10.12 23:41:00 -
[1104]
Being a BoB alt, even I must admit this sounds crappy. Gotta find out what the hell this is about.
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KingB
The Red Dragoons
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Posted - 2007.10.12 23:42:00 -
[1105]
wow beagle corp is back! yay!
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Dilsnik
Celestial Horizon Corp.
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Posted - 2007.10.12 23:58:00 -
[1106]
Originally by: Riddlock cant wait to see cyvok riding a white hulk entering azn tractor beamed by stk and darkstar 1
If you see Cyvok entering Azn that white light you see definately won't be a hulk. |
Dave White
Beagle Corp
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Posted - 2007.10.12 23:58:00 -
[1107]
Originally by: KingB wow beagle corp is back! yay!
I'd wish. I'm just in here because I left my former corporation and didn't want to be in DCM
Originally by: GM Tacgnol Oveur descended from the heavens (also known as the second floor) and beat us all with his nerfbat.
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Deitre Cibrus
Blood Corsair's
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Posted - 2007.10.13 00:08:00 -
[1108]
Yeah baby, YEAH!
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Originally by: Santiago Cortes Please don't derail your own thread.
What is this sig missing? Pretty colours? -Conuion Not true! Has plenty -Deitre It's missing the goat!- Tirg Cowbell! -Scyd Gold gold, baby -Sahwoolo Violet fluffiness? -Incognus What rhymes with orange? -Rauth |
Garok Nor
Caldari Blueprint Haus Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.13 00:55:00 -
[1109]
Originally by: Alice Cholmondeley
Originally by: w0rmy
Hush you, your dribblespin is no longer effective!
Shouldn't you be planning the next conflict to run away from?
Don't you have some helpless industrials to grief?
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NAFnist
Dark Knights of Deneb Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.10.13 01:39:00 -
[1110]
What I find funny is that its M.Pire and not BOB who spinning this. Its M.Pire saying 'bob you're now kos' and not BOB saying 'you killed that roid intentionally!'
But other than that, its great drama and one of the things that make EVE so great.
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Nirrith
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Posted - 2007.10.13 02:44:00 -
[1111]
i hear they r in ur bases shootin ur doods bob
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Jacob Majestic
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.13 03:28:00 -
[1112]
1167 GET
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Originally by: steamy thank you Hippoking for doing a Jacob on the goons
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Thad Raven
coracao ardente Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.10.13 06:36:00 -
[1113]
Originally by: Dave White
Originally by: KingB wow beagle corp is back! yay!
I'd wish. I'm just in here because I left my former corporation and didn't want to be in DCM
Miss j0o Dave. plz come back.
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Wesley Baird
Murder-Death-Kill
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Posted - 2007.10.13 07:31:00 -
[1114]
When will MC see the light?
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Emeline Cabernet
Amarr DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.13 07:43:00 -
[1115]
OOhh hangover this be bad
and the partys not even started yet
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Hellown
Avis de Captura
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Posted - 2007.10.13 10:46:00 -
[1116]
Edited by: Hellown on 13/10/2007 10:46:01 Well now, sure is interesting. BoB seem to be gaining enemies at times they dont appear to be able to handle the ones they have now. I'd be interested to see how well they can stand if M.PIRE bring the hurt strait into BoBs backdoor.
Have fun, fight the good fight and most of all, make stuff go boom.
|EDIT| first on page 40.
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paracidic
Confederation of Red Moon Red Moon Federation
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Posted - 2007.10.13 11:12:00 -
[1117]
Originally by: Helen
Originally by: paracidic
we don't really care that much for our station so we let it fall
So thats why you choose not to go with the rest to make a stand in RIT but choose to turn so you can keep K-9? GG.
Helen,
We were in AZN with all our capitals etc. We had virtually noone in k-9 at that point. We were following Virtuozzo's orders to let k-9 fall if necessary and defend azn. In fact I remember Fitz giving me (James Britanicus) a looted Cloaking device from AZN on one of our last engagements on or about January 1. We were falling back with ASCN towards RIT as per orders when Virt came to us and told us that he is folding ASCN.
You should know this Helen, You were there? or Perhaps you were still in Fountain??
This whole CoRM is a traitor thing is just propoganda and everyone but the blood-crazed kids know this.
But it's funny how it keeps getting brought up in this thread made by STK about leaving one side for the other for no other reason then isk. At least thats what they claim. Sorry, this is about the House of ASCN reuniting under the blood red moon. So pleasse stop deflecting to us. We are dead, eve-o knows it, the goons keep telling you.
But I still lub you Helen. ***********************************************
Everything ever written by a goon or DS1 member is absolutely factual and should not be challanged in anyway. |
Zigadenus
M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.13 11:59:00 -
[1118]
Originally by: Orree
Originally by: Zigadenus Ha I almost forgot.
Go Rockies!!
Oh no..they must go down..and they must go down hard---though it's obviously not going to be a sweep like it was with those hapless Cubbies.
(I'm from Phoenix).
Lol mmm. 2-0. World Series getting closer and closer. Go Rockies baby!
________________________________________________ Kyle > Why do you have to ask me all these complicated questions? Zerodragon > Dude, IÆm trying to save your setup from complete suckage. |
Sir JoJo
Minmatar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.10.13 15:32:00 -
[1119]
this is great news ;) goons look out u know just as me M.corp are never on thw winnig side and have never been,
will be a plesure shooting them again
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Superbus Maximus
Gallente Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.10.13 15:44:00 -
[1120]
Originally by: Zigadenus
Originally by: Orree
Originally by: Zigadenus Ha I almost forgot.
Go Rockies!!
Oh no..they must go down..and they must go down hard---though it's obviously not going to be a sweep like it was with those hapless Cubbies.
(I'm from Phoenix).
Lol mmm. 2-0. World Series getting closer and closer. Go Rockies baby!
If rockies make it to the series Ill get drunk and suicide some sort of expensive faction ship into a goon fleet.
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Apophis Omega
Amarr STK Scientific M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.13 15:57:00 -
[1121]
Originally by: mamolian
Originally by: Jacob Majestic
Originally by: Zastrow Goonfleet just released their official stance on this development: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=reply&threadID=611554
o shi
Thats the last time I click on a url without checking it!
I thought that was the goon titan? -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Duke Grail
DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.13 16:00:00 -
[1122]
Originally by: Superbus Maximus
Originally by: Zigadenus
Originally by: Orree
Originally by: Zigadenus Ha I almost forgot.
Go Rockies!!
Oh no..they must go down..and they must go down hard---though it's obviously not going to be a sweep like it was with those hapless Cubbies.
(I'm from Phoenix).
Lol mmm. 2-0. World Series getting closer and closer. Go Rockies baby!
If rockies make it to the series Ill get drunk and suicide some sort of expensive faction ship into a goon fleet.
Can we hold you to that?
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Havras
The Syndicate Inc
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Posted - 2007.10.13 16:39:00 -
[1123]
Edited by: Havras on 13/10/2007 16:40:54
Originally by: paracidic
Originally by: Helen
Originally by: paracidic
we don't really care that much for our station so we let it fall
So thats why you choose not to go with the rest to make a stand in RIT but choose to turn so you can keep K-9? GG.
Helen,
We were in AZN with all our capitals etc. We had virtually noone in k-9 at that point. We were following Virtuozzo's orders to let k-9 fall if necessary and defend azn. In fact I remember Fitz giving me (James Britanicus) a looted Cloaking device from AZN on one of our last engagements on or about January 1. We were falling back with ASCN towards RIT as per orders when Virt came to us and told us that he is folding ASCN.
You should know this Helen, You were there? or Perhaps you were still in Fountain??
This whole CoRM is a traitor thing is just propoganda and everyone but the blood-crazed kids know this.
But it's funny how it keeps getting brought up in this thread made by STK about leaving one side for the other for no other reason then isk. At least thats what they claim. Sorry, this is about the House of ASCN reuniting under the blood red moon. So pleasse stop deflecting to us. We are dead, eve-o knows it, the goons keep telling you.
But I still lub you Helen.
Ok.. I'm not one to like posting about the ASCN days. It is dead and should rest but I've just got to say this in response to you...
That is such a load of unmitigated bulls**t. Corm had absolutely ZERO intention of falling back to RIT. There was no sign of you at all once AZN fell and Virt didn't pull the plug for almost a month AFTER AZN fell. I know this.... because I was there until he did pull the plug.
What CORM said to Virt was basically "We're staying in K-9 and defending we are not giving up our home."
Tell it straight if your going to tell it and keep in mind there are a lot of people still around who were there until the actual end.
(edit: typo)
Quote: If an advisor says to me "My liege, he is but one man. What can one man possibly do?", I will reply "This." and kill the advisor.
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Helen
MASS Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service
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Posted - 2007.10.13 17:11:00 -
[1124]
Originally by: paracidic
Originally by: Helen
Originally by: paracidic
we don't really care that much for our station so we let it fall
So thats why you choose not to go with the rest to make a stand in RIT but choose to turn so you can keep K-9? GG.
Helen,
We were in AZN with all our capitals etc. We had virtually noone in k-9 at that point. We were following Virtuozzo's orders to let k-9 fall if necessary and defend azn. In fact I remember Fitz giving me (James Britanicus) a looted Cloaking device from AZN on one of our last engagements on or about January 1. We were falling back with ASCN towards RIT as per orders when Virt came to us and told us that he is folding ASCN.
You should know this Helen, You were there? or Perhaps you were still in Fountain??
This whole CoRM is a traitor thing is just propoganda and everyone but the blood-crazed kids know this.
But it's funny how it keeps getting brought up in this thread made by STK about leaving one side for the other for no other reason then isk. At least thats what they claim. Sorry, this is about the House of ASCN reuniting under the blood red moon. So pleasse stop deflecting to us. We are dead, eve-o knows it, the goons keep telling you.
But I still lub you Helen.
Like Havras I remeber differently still ASCN is long dead and good for that. In the end it was too bloated and without any pvp focus. Have fun where you go next but I'd reconsider how you view this whole conflict, and although I can't speak for STK as CEO anymore this whole thread isn't about ISK its about respect. I'd appreciate snide comments about STK being in Fountain left out as I'll just remind you that it was STK who lost the most dreads in the entire conflict not only in Fountain but in the defense of Ascenia... STK seems to be viewed in a negative light due to the fact that at the time of ASCN's peak we owned AZN which was pretty much the capital of ASCN that and we owned alot of T2 bpos, whats overlooked by pretty much everyone with a grudge is that we supplied build cost T2 weaponery and handed over billions in mods/ammo/pos to nearly every corp that couldn't sustain the loss rate in a war versus a superior pvp force.
Still lesson learned I think the hard (right?) way in that if you can't defend what you own in 0.0 you never deserve it.
Also I remeber seeing no CORM for the last capital engagement by ASCN against BoB pos in RIT, due to the fact you left before we made a last stand. Still can't blame you guys K-9 was a lovely system with two complexs, some nice ratting systems near and far far away from people willingly to burn your ships and pods. Anyway have fun where you go next I know STK will continue to where ever and what ever they do next. Cos hey its a game right?
First pod pilot to lose a Mothership in EvE... err woo |
Serret
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.10.13 18:11:00 -
[1125]
Originally by: Hellown Edited by: Hellown on 13/10/2007 10:46:01 Well now, sure is interesting. BoB seem to be gaining enemies at times they dont appear to be able to handle the ones they have now. I'd be interested to see how well they can stand if M.PIRE bring the hurt strait into BoBs backdoor.
Would dearly love to see M.PIRE bring hurt into the straits of our backdoor. --
<Coupo`Work> if i die illl gum you to death |
Sir MilBanacky
Stronghold corp The Covenant Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.13 18:20:00 -
[1126]
Originally by: Serret
Originally by: Hellown Edited by: Hellown on 13/10/2007 10:46:01 Well now, sure is interesting. BoB seem to be gaining enemies at times they dont appear to be able to handle the ones they have now. I'd be interested to see how well they can stand if M.PIRE bring the hurt strait into BoBs backdoor.
Would dearly love to see M.PIRE bring hurt into the straits of our backdoor.
You do have to admit Serret that if M.Pire begin pressuring you at the back door then you will have to pull forces off your main front to defend your own space and this is a tactical nightmare for any alliance including yours. You cannot be in two places at once without splitting your forces I don't care how good the alliance is.
Just a opinion no flames intended.
Fun times I sure miss the old Days of COAD |
Snowden Vel
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.13 19:04:00 -
[1127]
Originally by: Sir JoJo this is great news ;) goons look out u know just as me M.corp are never on thw winnig side and have never been
Remember when you were allied with M.Pire just a few days ago?
Quoting a self-identified loser ITT Signature removed - please email us to find out why (include a link) - Jacques([email protected]) |
Sir MilBanacky
Stronghold corp The Covenant Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.13 19:15:00 -
[1128]
Originally by: Sir JoJo this is great news ;) goons look out u know just as me M.corp are never on thw winnig side and have never been,
will be a plesure shooting them again
Spin for the Win ... No wait
Fun times I sure miss the old Days of COAD |
Gerry Ryan
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Posted - 2007.10.13 21:31:00 -
[1129]
Originally by: Snowden Vel
Originally by: Sir JoJo this is great news ;) goons look out u know just as me M.corp are never on thw winnig side and have never been
Remember when you were allied with M.Pire just a few days ago?
Quoting a self-identified loser ITT
o/\o High Five!
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Ezoran DuBlaidd
Rivers Enterprises Power Corrupts Industry's
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Posted - 2007.10.13 21:47:00 -
[1130]
Originally by: Hellown Edited by: Hellown on 13/10/2007 10:46:01 Well now, sure is interesting. BoB seem to be gaining enemies at times they dont appear to be able to handle the ones they have now. I'd be interested to see how well they can stand if M.PIRE bring the hurt strait into BoBs backdoor.
Have fun, fight the good fight and most of all, make stuff go boom.
|EDIT| first on page 40.
unless... it's a clever MC ploy to get mpire on the side of the coalition so they can turn ON the coalition at a crucial time.
seleene is a clever one.
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Natas Dog
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.13 22:01:00 -
[1131]
Originally by: Ezoran DuBlaidd unless... it's a clever MC ploy to get mpire on the side of the coalition so they can turn ON the coalition at a crucial time.
seleene is a clever one.
Kind of a pointless exercise really. What exactly would they stand to gain by doing so? Being that they're a separate alliance they won't have access to POSes, wallets, station management, nothing of use in Goon or goon ally space. Worst that could happen would be that they get to strike at our backside once, at which point any assets they moved into goon stations would now be inaccessible.
If anything, it might be a clever ruse by M.Pire to regain access to some of the assets they left behind after the LV war. If I'm not mistaken though, M.Pire left LV a couple weeks before things really went downhill though, and chances are most anything that was worth evacuating has already been taken care of.
Even if we hand off stations to them and they decide to defect, do you really think they'll be able to put up much more of a fight against the RSF than they did against the north? Not trying to be a ****, just pointing out facts. I'm perfectly OK with M.Pire now that they've stopped being BoB's *****es.
_______________________________________________________________ He who laughs last... is usually the one the joke was about. |
Serret
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.10.13 23:30:00 -
[1132]
Originally by: Sir MilBanacky
You do have to admit Serret that if M.Pire begin pressuring you at the back door then you will have to pull forces off your main front to defend your own space and this is a tactical nightmare for any alliance including yours.
If it's just M.Pire, I don't see any backdoor violation happening soon.
If it's others and M.Pire is just along for the ride, then I don't see what the significance of M.Pire is at all.
Just my $0.02. --
<Coupo`Work> if i die illl gum you to death |
Mihailo Great
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.13 23:52:00 -
[1133]
Originally by: Serret If it's just M.Pire, I don't see any backdoor violation happening soon.
If it's others and M.Pire is just along for the ride, then I don't see what the significance of M.Pire is at all.
Too bad for you we're not in it for individual glory. We're a coalition of tear catchers, and stopped falling prey to your one alliance at a time lag arena turkeyshots.
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Gungankllr
Caldari STK Scientific M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.14 02:26:00 -
[1134]
Originally by: Serret
Originally by: Sir MilBanacky
You do have to admit Serret that if M.Pire begin pressuring you at the back door then you will have to pull forces off your main front to defend your own space and this is a tactical nightmare for any alliance including yours.
If it's just M.Pire, I don't see any backdoor violation happening soon.
If it's others and M.Pire is just along for the ride, then I don't see what the significance of M.Pire is at all.
Just my $0.02.
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Tevlent
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.14 02:32:00 -
[1135]
Edited by: Tevlent on 14/10/2007 02:32:12 So when does GoonSwarm go f*uck goons and switch sides?
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Kymlicka
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.14 02:36:00 -
[1136]
Posting in a thread about strategic butt****ery.
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NO BRAKES
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.14 02:52:00 -
[1137]
Originally by: Sir JoJo this is great news ;) goons look out u know just as me M.corp are never on thw winnig side and have never been,
will be a plesure shooting them again
Clearly you have no honour.
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WraithFire
Cassandra's Light Dark Matter Coalition
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Posted - 2007.10.14 03:30:00 -
[1138]
Originally by: Serret
Originally by: Hellown Edited by: Hellown on 13/10/2007 10:46:01 Well now, sure is interesting. BoB seem to be gaining enemies at times they dont appear to be able to handle the ones they have now. I'd be interested to see how well they can stand if M.PIRE bring the hurt strait into BoBs backdoor.
Would dearly love to see M.PIRE bring hurt into the straits of our backdoor.
Careful what you wish for.
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Devoras2
Amarr KIA Corp KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.14 05:42:00 -
[1139]
Originally by: Helen
Originally by: paracidic
Originally by: Helen
Originally by: paracidic
we don't really care that much for our station so we let it fall
So thats why you choose not to go with the rest to make a stand in RIT but choose to turn so you can keep K-9? GG.
Helen,
We were in AZN with all our capitals etc. We had virtually noone in k-9 at that point. We were following Virtuozzo's orders to let k-9 fall if necessary and defend azn. In fact I remember Fitz giving me (James Britanicus) a looted Cloaking device from AZN on one of our last engagements on or about January 1. We were falling back with ASCN towards RIT as per orders when Virt came to us and told us that he is folding ASCN......
But I still lub you Helen.
Like Havras I remeber differently still ASCN is long dead and good for that. In the end it was too bloated and without any pvp focus. Have fun where you go next but I'd reconsider how you view this whole conflict, and although I can't speak for STK as CEO anymore this whole thread isn't about ISK its about respect.....
For the sake of staying objective to this matter, I still remember the discussions we had in CoRM when I was still a member. Now in Helen `s favour Para, he`s kinda straight on the truth. We did turn side cause we saw that ASCN was dead and dying, and saw no purpose in defending a lost cause. We wanted to keep K-9 which we all worked hard for, and didnt want to get the boot from BoB. I left CoRM cause I despised the fact we were blue to the one enemey that killed off ASCN. No way im turning side just to keep something at the mercy of my foe (pet status and taxation) And now your being chased off your home with no way to do the same. Karma is such a b*tch.
But then again every single corp in ASCN was thinking of their own hides Helen. STK was among those to bail out first from Ascenia with their stuff. Oh, i bet you guys still have loads off stuff in Stain, just lying around for the victorious return to Feyth once the pets are kicked out. And during the ASCN times, prices wasnt exactly 10% cheaper then Empire prices, as pr rule set by CYVOK huh? During the war they were set sky high. So much for the production help.
But hey, its still a game with all the drama. I still lub the Cormies alot and even you para! So dont give up just yet As for M.PIRE, I wish you luck. I wont hide the fact I would love to see Feyth purged off all BoB presence, and best off all BoB dead and buried in the sands of time.
Dev
It's great being Amarr, aint it?
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Zuberi
Minmatar M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.14 08:07:00 -
[1140]
Originally by: Natas Dog If I'm not mistaken though, M.Pire left LV a couple weeks before things really went downhill though,
Minor correction, M. Corp didn't leave until after the jv1v defeat which was the downfall of LV. But I am sure there were enough of us stuck there to evac/sell the goods by now.
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DJTheBaron
Caldari THE INQUISITI0N
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Posted - 2007.10.14 09:44:00 -
[1141]
40 pages in 4 days
Yarrrrr? ___________ "The Views & Opinions Expressed In This Post Represent Those of My Former Corporation & Alliance. So Go **** Yourself" DJTheBaron: Former FATAL Alliance Diplomat |
Lucre
STK Scientific M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.14 11:55:00 -
[1142]
Originally by: Devoras2 STK was among those to bail out first from Ascenia with their stuff. Oh, i bet you guys still have loads off stuff in Stain, just lying around for the victorious return to Feyth once the pets are kicked out. And during the ASCN times, prices wasnt exactly 10% cheaper then Empire prices, as pr rule set by CYVOK huh? During the war they were set sky high. So much for the production help.
My congratulations on getting quite so many lies or inaccuracies into one post.
Our valuables (those which would fit in my carrier) weren't evacuated out of AZN until it was under total siege and ASCN resistance had evaporated. (And yes, that was one scary undock). Ditto our T2 bpo's in EPR (props to badfish for honesty and integrity with a 300+ billion cargo!).
As for the prices, truly you excel yourself in talking tosh. The rule set by CYVOK was not more than 10% HIGHER than Empire prices, not lower. And that only applied to T1 anyway.
But regardless of the fact we could have charged more, we didn't. I was effectively the STK AZN station and sales manager during the war and I know what prices I was charging. Modules and interceptors went up at Jita prices (and yes, I did check them every time). T2 cruisers went up at Jita +10% because of the carrier space they took. Whilst dictors went up at Jita MINUS 25% or so because we wanted people to feel better able to risk them. Oh and BS? They went up for something like 25% BELOW cost price - and at the end of the war we still had around 40 unsold BS in AZN. (BoB may remember the AZN lemming charges - that was us working through some of this stockpile!) And none of that counts the 425 rails and covops cloaks that were going to alliance at cost price (which cost us billions but it was for the cause) or the T1 frigs and modules we donated in bulk to DS1 for their carrier ops.
And then long after the event, weasels like you come along with your insulting myths and lies. Well, I know what prices we charged. As do the many grateful people who came to AZN to replace gear and were happy to pay so little for it.
There probably were profiteers there. And of course CCP never did provide any way of stopping hostiles from manipulating the market - indeed they still boast about how easily people can do it. But you can take your accusations about STK profiteering and, quite frankly, shove them where the sun is occluded! |
Devoras2
Amarr KIA Corp KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.14 15:35:00 -
[1143]
Originally by: Lucre
Originally by: Devoras2 STK was among those to bail out first from Ascenia with their stuff. Oh, i bet you guys still have loads off stuff in Stain, just lying around for the victorious return to Feyth once the pets are kicked out. And during the ASCN times, prices wasnt exactly 10% cheaper then Empire prices, as pr rule set by CYVOK huh? During the war they were set sky high. So much for the production help.
But regardless of the fact we could have charged more, we didn't. I was effectively the STK AZN station and sales manager during the war and I know what prices I was charging. Modules and interceptors went up at Jita prices (and yes, I did check them every time). T2 cruisers went up at Jita +10% because of the carrier space they took. Whilst dictors went up at Jita MINUS 25% or so because we wanted people to feel better able to risk them. Oh and BS? They went up for something like 25% BELOW cost price - and at the end of the war we still had around 40 unsold BS in AZN. (BoB may remember the AZN lemming charges - that was us working through some of this stockpile!) And none of that counts the 425 rails and covops cloaks that were going to alliance at cost price (which cost us billions but it was for the cause) or the T1 frigs and modules we donated in bulk to DS1 for their carrier ops.
And then long after the event, weasels like you come along with your insulting myths and lies. Well, I know what prices we charged. As do the many grateful people who came to AZN to replace gear and were happy to pay so little for it.
There probably were profiteers there. And of course CCP never did provide any way of stopping hostiles from manipulating the market - indeed they still boast about how easily people can do it. But you can take your accusations about STK profiteering and, quite frankly, shove them where the sun is occluded!
Hey Lucre. Long time no see And where is sexy Sku1ly? I miss the old weasel And on topic. Proof/pics or STFU! The only one i know and can recall clearly that even made an effort on the market, was Vipeer from CLS. He posted on the forums what he was willing to sell cheaper to give people a fighting chance. The only thing i saw from STK was the mere sticky with the usual sales thread. During the highest crisis he was the one only who offered cheaper mods and ships for a lower cost. So what was STK doing to help with all their BPO`s and production power? And yes, I still love u2 Lucre
Dev
It's great being Amarr, aint it?
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Stockarian
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.10.14 16:41:00 -
[1144]
Edited by: Stockarian on 14/10/2007 16:48:16
Originally by: Devoras2
Originally by: Lucre
Originally by: Devoras2 STK was among those to bail out
Hey Lucre. Long time no see And where is sexy Sku1ly? I miss the old weasel And on topic. Proof/pics or STFU! The only one i know and can recall clearly that even made an effort on the market, was Vipeer from CLS. He posted on the forums what he was willing to sell cheaper to give people a fighting chance. The only thing i saw from STK was the mere sticky with the usual sales thread. During the highest crisis he was the one only who offered cheaper mods and ships for a lower cost. So what was STK doing to help with all their BPO`s and production power? And yes, I still love u2 Lucre
Dev
Umm, yea...I have to agree with Dev here. I was in the ASCN command channels the whole time being a Director in eXceed at that time. I remember who was left in RIT at the end, it certainly wasn't STK. As for prices on mods and ships, maybe the T1 variety were on par, but not the T2 goodies, although that was nothing new. I will say in all honesty, I do remember dictors being cheaper near the end though.
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Stock
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Drama Llama
DramaLlamaDingDong
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Posted - 2007.10.14 17:08:00 -
[1145]
You guys should hire mc and help kill bob.
Offer them NOL. They seem to like stations as payment.
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Vanye Inovske
Two Brothers Mining Corp. Friend or Enemy
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Posted - 2007.10.14 17:32:00 -
[1146]
This is starting to remind me of the E-R whining about the end of Xetic in the G/IRON/RZR vs ASCN threads during the AZN invasion.
ASCN is dead. Let it go, guys.
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Banzai OdiN
Caldari Species 5618 R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.10.15 19:57:00 -
[1147]
Originally by: Lucre
Originally by: Devoras2 STK was among those to bail out first from Ascenia with their stuff. Oh, i bet you guys still have loads off stuff in Stain, just lying around for the victorious return to Feyth once the pets are kicked out. And during the ASCN times, prices wasnt exactly 10% cheaper then Empire prices, as pr rule set by CYVOK huh? During the war they were set sky high. So much for the production help.
My congratulations on getting quite so many lies or inaccuracies into one post.
Our valuables (those which would fit in my carrier) weren't evacuated out of AZN until it was under total siege and ASCN resistance had evaporated. (And yes, that was one scary undock). Ditto our T2 bpo's in EPR (props to badfish for honesty and integrity with a 300+ billion cargo!).
As for the prices, truly you excel yourself in talking tosh. The rule set by CYVOK was not more than 10% HIGHER than Empire prices, not lower. And that only applied to T1 anyway.
But regardless of the fact we could have charged more, we didn't. I was effectively the STK AZN station and sales manager during the war and I know what prices I was charging. Modules and interceptors went up at Jita prices (and yes, I did check them every time). T2 cruisers went up at Jita +10% because of the carrier space they took. Whilst dictors went up at Jita MINUS 25% or so because we wanted people to feel better able to risk them. Oh and BS? They went up for something like 25% BELOW cost price - and at the end of the war we still had around 40 unsold BS in AZN. (BoB may remember the AZN lemming charges - that was us working through some of this stockpile!) And none of that counts the 425 rails and covops cloaks that were going to alliance at cost price (which cost us billions but it was for the cause) or the T1 frigs and modules we donated in bulk to DS1 for their carrier ops.
And then long after the event, weasels like you come along with your insulting myths and lies. Well, I know what prices we charged. As do the many grateful people who came to AZN to replace gear and were happy to pay so little for it.
There probably were profiteers there. And of course CCP never did provide any way of stopping hostiles from manipulating the market - indeed they still boast about how easily people can do it. But you can take your accusations about STK profiteering and, quite frankly, shove them where the sun is occluded!
I'm sorry, asmuch as i know i shouldn't post as to not to get involved into this political stuff but that is complete and utter bull ****.
Anyone remember those Cerb's that were going out for 100 mil you know 170mil cheaper and all that, you know the ones thats cost 28mil to make, oh wait you could only get one if you have 200+ kills. Or how about all those guns that were at base price, no-one told me the base price was 20mil for a gun? Ok you might have gave out Domi's ect for 49mil but how about all the mods to fit it out at triple the price???
STK were some of the last to leave, Right ...
Cov Ops cloaks going chepa yeah sure ....
By the way this has nothing to do with my Corp or Alliance, just some personal feelings coming our here, don't take this personally or anything, i'll probably regret this soon anyway.
But half the people in ASCN didn't even see any of this stuff and if i remember correctly our corp got NOTHING, no Alliance support infact if i remember correctly we were stuck in Qs- and CORM were the only ones to come and try and help us but we told them to go back because 15 CORM + 15 Species possibly more from both corps against about 70 enemies, im sorry but i don't like those odds.
And don't feed me bull ****, and don't tell me about Market Manipulation, everyone knew that it was going on even before the ASCN war and were told to use Escrow, so you could also see who was selling and it would be available to ASCN only.
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Space Harrier
Minmatar Roman Holiday
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Posted - 2007.10.15 19:59:00 -
[1148]
I sense much anger in you!
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paracidic
Confederation of Red Moon Red Moon Federation
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Posted - 2007.10.15 20:26:00 -
[1149]
Originally by: Devoras2
Originally by: Helen
Originally by: paracidic
Originally by: Helen
Originally by: paracidic
we don't really care that much for our station so we let it fall
So thats why you choose not to go with the rest to make a stand in RIT but choose to turn so you can keep K-9? GG.
Helen,
We were in AZN with all our capitals etc. We had virtually noone in k-9 at that point. We were following Virtuozzo's orders to let k-9 fall if necessary and defend azn. In fact I remember Fitz giving me (James Britanicus) a looted Cloaking device from AZN on one of our last engagements on or about January 1. We were falling back with ASCN towards RIT as per orders when Virt came to us and told us that he is folding ASCN......
But I still lub you Helen.
Like Havras I remeber differently still ASCN is long dead and good for that. In the end it was too bloated and without any pvp focus. Have fun where you go next but I'd reconsider how you view this whole conflict, and although I can't speak for STK as CEO anymore this whole thread isn't about ISK its about respect.....
For the sake of staying objective to this matter, I still remember the discussions we had in CoRM when I was still a member. Now in Helen `s favour Para, he`s kinda straight on the truth. We did turn side cause we saw that ASCN was dead and dying, and saw no purpose in defending a lost cause. We wanted to keep K-9 which we all worked hard for, and didnt want to get the boot from BoB. I left CoRM cause I despised the fact we were blue to the one enemey that killed off ASCN. No way im turning side just to keep something at the mercy of my foe (pet status and taxation) And now your being chased off your home with no way to do the same. Karma is such a b*tch.
But then again every single corp in ASCN was thinking of their own hides Helen. STK was among those to bail out first from Ascenia with their stuff. Oh, i bet you guys still have loads off stuff in Stain, just lying around for the victorious return to Feyth once the pets are kicked out. And during the ASCN times, prices wasnt exactly 10% cheaper then Empire prices, as pr rule set by CYVOK huh? During the war they were set sky high. So much for the production help.
But hey, its still a game with all the drama. I still lub the Cormies alot and even you para! So dont give up just yet As for M.PIRE, I wish you luck. I wont hide the fact I would love to see Feyth purged off all BoB presence, and best off all BoB dead and buried in the sands of time.
Dev
I guess the only one that can answer this is Virtuozzo.
Come on out of the wood work Virt.
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Farham
AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2007.10.15 20:38:00 -
[1150]
I have no love for what ASCN was before the BOB war started. If you weren't in one of the big corps you pretty much had to put up ISK when asked or have some large amount of reserves but you got no access to any of the "good stuff" like plexes and such.
However, the whole thing some of the ex-ASCN folks are saying about the mods/markets is somewhat disingenuous. It was pretty clearly stated on the forums that if you wanted the war time mods that were being made you had to set up buy orders. People never really picked up on that idea and others abused it by turning right around and reselling them for absurd mark ups. This is ultimately broke the entire effort and it became a free for all.
I have had this discussion with my own corp mates who were with me in ASCN during all of this and even they were unaware of the buy order methods that were supposed to be in use.
As others have said though, let ASCN lie in peace.
Intrepid Crossing Diplomat and All Around Major Idiot |
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Orree
Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.10.15 21:46:00 -
[1151]
Originally by: Zigadenus
Originally by: Orree
Originally by: Zigadenus Ha I almost forgot.
Go Rockies!!
Oh no..they must go down..and they must go down hard---though it's obviously not going to be a sweep like it was with those hapless Cubbies.
(I'm from Phoenix).
Lol mmm. 2-0. World Series getting closer and closer. Go Rockies baby!
Heh..perhaps I was wrong about the sweep.
Ah well...maybe next year...heheh.
"How much easier it is to be critical than to be correct." ---Benjamin Disraeli |
Tweekant
Gallente Seven. Enuma Elish.
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Posted - 2007.10.15 22:54:00 -
[1152]
Up to page 35 or so, this thread was more entertaining then the books I read on hols. Either I brought the wrong books, or this is one heck of an event whatever way you look at it :)
Also, will this bring Helen back to STK? ;) |
Onionico
Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.15 23:21:00 -
[1153]
Originally by: paracidic
Originally by: Devoras2
Originally by: Helen
Originally by: paracidic
Originally by: Helen
Originally by: paracidic
we don't really care that much for our station so we let it fall
So thats why you choose not to go with the rest to make a stand in RIT but choose to turn so you can keep K-9? GG.
Helen,
We were in AZN with all our capitals etc. We had virtually noone in k-9 at that point. We were following Virtuozzo's orders to let k-9 fall if necessary and defend azn. In fact I remember Fitz giving me (James Britanicus) a looted Cloaking device from AZN on one of our last engagements on or about January 1. We were falling back with ASCN towards RIT as per orders when Virt came to us and told us that he is folding ASCN......
But I still lub you Helen.
Like Havras I remeber differently still ASCN is long dead and good for that. In the end it was too bloated and without any pvp focus. Have fun where you go next but I'd reconsider how you view this whole conflict, and although I can't speak for STK as CEO anymore this whole thread isn't about ISK its about respect.....
For the sake of staying objective to this matter, I still remember the discussions we had in CoRM when I was still a member. Now in Helen `s favour Para, he`s kinda straight on the truth. We did turn side cause we saw that ASCN was dead and dying, and saw no purpose in defending a lost cause. We wanted to keep K-9 which we all worked hard for, and didnt want to get the boot from BoB. I left CoRM cause I despised the fact we were blue to the one enemey that killed off ASCN. No way im turning side just to keep something at the mercy of my foe (pet status and taxation) And now your being chased off your home with no way to do the same. Karma is such a b*tch.
But then again every single corp in ASCN was thinking of their own hides Helen. STK was among those to bail out first from Ascenia with their stuff. Oh, i bet you guys still have loads off stuff in Stain, just lying around for the victorious return to Feyth once the pets are kicked out. And during the ASCN times, prices wasnt exactly 10% cheaper then Empire prices, as pr rule set by CYVOK huh? During the war they were set sky high. So much for the production help.
But hey, its still a game with all the drama. I still lub the Cormies alot and even you para! So dont give up just yet As for M.PIRE, I wish you luck. I wont hide the fact I would love to see Feyth purged off all BoB presence, and best off all BoB dead and buried in the sands of time.
Dev
I guess the only one that can answer this is Virtuozzo.
Come on out of the wood work Virt.
You morons haven't disbanded yet?
Homeless people like you shouldn't post on CAOD.
GET OUT.
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n0sPIG
Blind Vengeance
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Posted - 2007.10.15 23:25:00 -
[1154]
Originally by: Onionico
You morons haven't disbanded yet?
Homeless people like you shouldn't post on CAOD.
GET OUT.
Pot, kettle, black. |
n0sPIG
Blind Vengeance
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Posted - 2007.10.15 23:26:00 -
[1155]
Good luck M.Pire, I'm sure BoB are terrified. |
WraithFire
Cassandra's Light Dark Matter Coalition
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Posted - 2007.10.15 23:34:00 -
[1156]
Originally by: Onionico
You morons haven't disbanded yet?
Homeless people like you shouldn't post on CAOD.
GET OUT.
Ouch!!! That would leave a mark.
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General Xenophon
Caldari Infinite Improbability Inc Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2007.10.16 03:06:00 -
[1157]
Edited by: General Xenophon on 16/10/2007 03:07:56 Hehe. I remember telling some of the reds up north this would happen and they say 'nu uh! not gonna happen!'. I would like to just say, I was right, but part of me sympathizes with you lot. Shame really. But in the end it worked out ok. You realize what the rest of us realized about BoB a long time ago, even if it took you some time to get it. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= "Now, we must all fear evil men. But there is another kind of evil which we must fear most, and that is the indifference of good men." - Boondock Saints |
Dash43
Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.10.16 03:35:00 -
[1158]
Originally by: Banzai OdiN I'm sorry, asmuch as i know i shouldn't post as to not to get involved into this political stuff but that is complete and utter bull ****.
Anyone remember those Cerb's that were going out for 100 mil you know 170mil cheaper and all that, you know the ones thats cost 28mil to make, oh wait you could only get one if you have 200+ kills. Or how about all those guns that were at base price, no-one told me the base price was 20mil for a gun? Ok you might have gave out Domi's ect for 49mil but how about all the mods to fit it out at triple the price???
STK were some of the last to leave, Right ...
Cov Ops cloaks going chepa yeah sure ....
By the way this has nothing to do with my Corp or Alliance, just some personal feelings coming our here, don't take this personally or anything, i'll probably regret this soon anyway.
But half the people in ASCN didn't even see any of this stuff and if i remember correctly our corp got NOTHING, no Alliance support infact if i remember correctly we were stuck in Qs- and CORM were the only ones to come and try and help us but we told them to go back because 15 CORM + 15 Species possibly more from both corps against about 70 enemies, im sorry but i don't like those odds.
And don't feed me bull ****, and don't tell me about Market Manipulation, everyone knew that it was going on even before the ASCN war and were told to use Escrow, so you could also see who was selling and it would be available to ASCN only.[/quote
On the money mate. I promised I wouldnt get into this one ,but meh. Those of us that knew of STK during the ASCN days know what was said and know what was charged and know what a bunch of spin doctors ya turning out to be. The fact of the matter is, ya may be able to fool the ppl that dont know ya history with spin, but Ganga Tem look over ya shoulders there be peeps here that know ya better.
Let me say this aint aimed at M.pire this is aimed at STK, I base all of what I say on knowledge of these iskmongers. Tell me I'm wrong when I say that war is the perfect enviroment for STK to shine (finacially)so it states the obvious when they decide to bail on ASCN,after totally f****** everyone with thier prices to the point of pilots not being able to afford to fight, and seek another war zone to occupy. Im not gonna suggest I know what imediately happened to STK after the demise of ASCN ,but it sure as hell rings a familiar bell with thier ex-alliance...." lets bail these fools cant afford our overpriced ships and mods".
Hmmmm we dont wont this to look like another bail-out ,lets blame BOB seems ta work for everyone else....give me a break, do you seriously think ppl are that naive. Oh oh lets jump into bed with Goons we should be able to make trillions outta these kiddies...lol not gonna say anymore on that one.
Tbh as you have gathered I have no respect for these guys and the way they operate, let it be a warning to those that endeavour to aquire their services. Just a side note....dont even attempt to spin this one cause there's a whole lot more to this story if you wanna go there.
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Temerlyn
Minmatar STK Scientific M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.16 05:01:00 -
[1159]
Originally by: Dash43
But half the people in ASCN didn't even see any of this stuff and if i remember correctly our corp got NOTHING, no Alliance support infact if i remember correctly we were stuck in Qs- and CORM were the only ones to come and try and help us but we told them to go back because 15 CORM + 15 Species possibly more from both corps against about 70 enemies, im sorry but i don't like those odds.
And don't feed me bull ****, and don't tell me about Market Manipulation, everyone knew that it was going on even before the ASCN war and were told to use Escrow, so you could also see who was selling and it would be available to ASCN only.
On the money mate. I promised I wouldnt get into this one ,but meh. Those of us that knew of STK during the ASCN days know what was said and know what was charged and know what a bunch of spin doctors ya turning out to be. The fact of the matter is, ya may be able to fool the ppl that dont know ya history with spin, but Gunga Tem look over ya shoulders there be peeps here that know ya better.
Let me say this aint aimed at M.pire this is aimed at STK, I base all of what I say on knowledge of these iskmongers. Tell me I'm wrong when I say that war is the perfect enviroment for STK to shine (finacially)so it states the obvious when they decide to bail on ASCN,after totally f****** everyone with thier prices to the point of pilots not being able to afford to fight, and seek another war zone to occupy. Im not gonna suggest I know what imediately happened to STK after the demise of ASCN ,but it sure as hell rings a familiar bell with thier ex-alliance...." lets bail these fools cant afford our overpriced ships and mods".
Hmmmm we dont wont this to look like another bail-out ,lets blame BOB seems ta work for everyone else....give me a break, do you seriously think ppl are that naive. Oh oh lets jump into bed with Goons we should be able to make trillions outta these kiddies...lol not gonna say anymore on that one.
Tbh as you have gathered I have no respect for these guys and the way they operate, let it be a warning to those that endeavour to aquire their services. Just a side note....dont even attempt to spin this one cause there's a whole lot more to this story if you wanna go there.
Ahh looky here some disgruntled soldier in the defense of ASCN etc.
If you didn't see anything in the war it was because your management didn't hand them to you. We stopped selling items on the market during the war except for what was already on offer.
We sold every single tech 2 425 rail we had to cost to the managers of corps. We could only built 1 hac a day and we only owned 2 and of those one was crap. An alliance of 2000+ and we could build 8-9 a week. Same went for the 425 rails we could only build a limited amount a day and we sold these at cost to directors to who ever asked first. There was no specific management of the process as it was a nightmare to manage and everyone else had other issues to work with.
The only real fault would be then is miss communication for i do know we didn't publicly advertise it. We specifically made it only a director to corp director issue because it was easier on the build who happened to be Thavin.
I could go on and on but i wont. No one corp can cater for every individual in an alliance. I can tell you we never saw a single "At cost" 1400mm artillery from Celes either but we ain't *****ing about it.
Everyone made mistakes but if you wanna keep blaming some one else for them then you wont get very far in this game or life.
STK is a corporation, not a guild, not an honorific club or some other do gooder group. We have redundancy plans, limits, promotions, sales ideals, rewards, benefits befitting of any corporation. A corporation that doesn't make money will not live, pure and simple.
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Liu Kaskakka
PAK
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Posted - 2007.10.16 05:08:00 -
[1160]
I just came here to derail the thread so it would get a lockz0r.
Hi, I'm a handsome bish.
King Liu is RIGHT!!
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Lipix
Amarr Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.10.16 05:08:00 -
[1161]
41 pages? srsly?
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Jurgurtha
O RLY corp YTMND.
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Posted - 2007.10.16 05:18:00 -
[1162]
Originally by: Lipix 41 pages? srsly?
Yes
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Dash43
Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.10.16 06:36:00 -
[1163]
Everyone made mistakes but if you wanna keep blaming some one else for them then you wont get very far in this game or life.
STK is a corporation, not a guild, not an honorific club or some other do gooder group. We have redundancy plans, limits, promotions, sales ideals, rewards, benefits befitting of any corporation. A corporation that doesn't make money will not live, pure and simple.
Finally some sense of the truth, which is basically all that can be asked, and apart from my own grievancies is all that is required. Tbh Tem a simple statement like, STK have changed sides without all the drama would have been suffice, but when spin becomes involed its only right that both sides of the storey are told. By your own admission you've have seen fit to prosper by what ever means are available to you and your corp in 0.0 and I dont for one minute disagree that is what it takes to survive, but that is where a very thin line appears in respect to supply during a war. To this day it still baffles me as to why any corp would see fit to sell ships/mods whatever at well above build cost to his/her Alliance mates for nothing but profit, and to see an Alliance disband as a direct result of said isk-mongering. There where other corps, granted that fit the same mold, but STK was the major player and as such deserve to shoulder the lions share of the responsibilty.
There where of course many other factors in the demise of ASCN, but this issue certainly rates up there.
The arguement based on corp managers receiving mods at cost and not passing them on really doesn't deserve a response, and you know why, and the management of selling goods via escrow again was at a premium.As for blameing others for ones mistakes....well pot/kettle blah blah blah.
As you say this can go on and on so lets agree ta disagree ........just stop spinning and bring it to Fountain for some pew pew.....oh and before I forget have ya still get co-op cloak bpo and if so how much for 5 pls ( not )
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Zigadenus
M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.16 07:05:00 -
[1164]
Originally by: Superbus Maximus
Originally by: Zigadenus
Originally by: Orree
Originally by: Zigadenus Ha I almost forgot.
Go Rockies!!
Oh no..they must go down..and they must go down hard---though it's obviously not going to be a sweep like it was with those hapless Cubbies.
(I'm from Phoenix).
Lol mmm. 2-0. World Series getting closer and closer. Go Rockies baby!
If rockies make it to the series Ill get drunk and suicide some sort of expensive faction ship into a goon fleet.
Oh sweep. Colorado rocks their way into the World Series. 21 out of 22. Incredible. Baseball history in the making.
Time to start shopping for a faction ship?
________________________________________________ Kyle > Why do you have to ask me all these complicated questions? Zerodragon > Dude, IÆm trying to save your setup from complete suckage. |
ScheenK
Gallente StatiC Elite
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Posted - 2007.10.16 08:05:00 -
[1165]
Go M. PIRE!
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Shaeley
Destructive Influence
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Posted - 2007.10.16 08:28:00 -
[1166]
mhm.. xetic is back (again!)?
gg
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Gungankllr
Caldari STK Scientific M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.16 09:57:00 -
[1167]
I wasn't in STK during the ASCN thing, so all I know is what I heard.
Tem is probably best suited to talk about that.
As for "changing sides quietly" or whatever, we just wanted to make sure everybody knew how we felt and what we were doing, and why.
This forum isn't just for alt spam, it's for announcements like this to let the eve public know what your politics/alignment are.
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Cringeley
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.16 10:39:00 -
[1168]
Originally by: Lipix 41 pages? srsly?
It's possibly one of the most significant moments in recent Eve history: a corporation that had been willing to operate alongside BoB publicly exposing them for what they are, and at the same time displaying the virtue of self respect and independence for all to see.
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Tetsujin
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.16 10:45:00 -
[1169]
A lot of you really seem to be rather torn up over ASCN. :(
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Weebear
Celestial Horizon Corp. Valainaloce
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Posted - 2007.10.16 10:56:00 -
[1170]
Edited by: Weebear on 16/10/2007 10:57:58 Edited by: Weebear on 16/10/2007 10:57:28 How much more off topic can this thread get!
For what it's worth, I always remember STK prices to be quite fair. Every corp had the ability to buy in bulk through nominated corp reps, but most corps didn't bother with one until it was too late.
It didn't matter if STK conducted it's business through market or escrow, there were so many spies and greedy individuals in ASCN that items would always have been bought and resold at a higher price with no way of tracking who was responsible. |
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Shumanus
HUN Corp. HUN Reloaded
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Posted - 2007.10.16 10:59:00 -
[1171]
Not sure why the whole ASCN thing was dragged into this.
To be frank;
1. STK was always willing to provide Wings of Turul with cheap T2 stuff (cheap compared to market prices), you just had to make the deal with them on the corp level. For us, it was a win/win since they bought our advanced reactions on market prices and sold the T2 stuff below market prices so in the end it was basically free T2 stuff.
Of course, compared to the current prices (with invention both driving down the price of T2 mods and driving up the price of advanced reactions) that deal was a rip off, but I can't seem to recall anything in the ASCN charter about selling T2 on cost.
2. I haven't seen many STK in Paragon Soul, I think they were doing the second front in Fountain or something, so I can't comment on their pvp performance. Though once GQ2S fell BOB's progress became a landslide so whoever came up with the Fountain idea probably made a strategic mistake imho.
3. This falling back to RIT thing was a big joke. The RIT triangle team from their Ivory Tower was still concerned about people mining their roids and thus refusing access to "lesser" ASCN corps unless they were willing to comply with a set of rules, when half ASCN space was already under BOB control.
The biggest killer of motivation for us weren't the BOB posts on CAOD or CYVOK's titan loss but when GQ2S was lost and we had to find a new base, there had to be a political debate on if they even wanted us in RIT protecting their arse or not. Not to mention that when we first entered RIT the 100-ish local was made up 90% from people whose portrait we didn't have, thus they never been in ASCN gangs or even spoken on alliance chat for the entire war (it was when you had the portrait of friendlies and the hostiles were in addressbook).
Thus a lot more things were seriously screwed up in ASCN than the T2 market or the lack of pvp leadership.
Jotan 'account expired so posting on an alt' Veer
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marakor
Gallente Anti Lag Forum Smackers
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Posted - 2007.10.16 11:06:00 -
[1172]
Originally by: Cringeley
Originally by: Lipix 41 pages? srsly?
It's possibly one of the most significant moments in recent Eve history: a corporation that had been willing to operate alongside BoB publicly exposing them for what they are, and at the same time displaying the virtue of self respect and independence for all to see.
I thought that mpire were gonna join you goonies so there goes independance im not sure where virtue comes in after they surrendered without informing rthere allies and as far as self respect is concerned giving BOB the finger for asking for isk has most certainly confirmed that but if they actualy join GOON instead of going solo then the only respect they will ever get is from themselves.
The opinions that i give are the opinions of my corp although my alts opinions may differ as this is my forum smack alt. |
Goberth Ludwig
eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.10.16 11:18:00 -
[1173]
Whhhhaaaaatttttt an ASCN exhume argument and I'm not in it???
Actually I have nothing interesting to say apart from the fact I remmeber WOT being very dedicated in the defence. Hi Jotan btw \o
- Gob
Stealth bombers work! |
Moghydin
Confederation of Red Moon Red Moon Federation
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Posted - 2007.10.16 11:18:00 -
[1174]
Originally by: Onionico
You morons haven't disbanded yet?
Homeless people like you shouldn't post on CAOD.
GET OUT.
You seem to put much effort into trying to convince us that you are actually an idiot. Stop your hard labor, ppl believe you already.
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Kasak Black
The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.10.16 11:29:00 -
[1175]
Woah 41 pages, this is almost as big as that "Boost Amarr" thread over in Ships and Modules section.
LOLing good fun.
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Kasak Black
The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.10.16 11:30:00 -
[1176]
^^^
Oh Snap, I made page number 42!
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WildSide
Spartan Industries Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2007.10.16 11:30:00 -
[1177]
My respect for M.pire just got flushed down in the toilet. Kinda low in my eyes....swapping sides like that only cause u cant realise that u cant stand alone.
and supporting goons is the absolute worste option in my eyes. _______________________________ Vids produced by me
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Cippalippus Primus
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.16 11:32:00 -
[1178]
Originally by: WildSide My respect for M.pire just got flushed down in the toilet. Kinda low in my eyes....swapping sides like that only cause u cant realise that u cant stand alone.
and supporting goons is the absolute worste option in my eyes.
totally agree with this post tbqh
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Cringeley
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.16 11:51:00 -
[1179]
Originally by: WildSide My respect for M.pire just got flushed down in the toilet. Kinda low in my eyes....swapping sides like that only cause u cant realise that u cant stand alone.
and supporting goons is the absolute worste option in my eyes.
GOON are the scum of eve imho.
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mamolian
M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.16 11:53:00 -
[1180]
Originally by: Cringeley
Originally by: WildSide My respect for M.pire just got flushed down in the toilet. Kinda low in my eyes....swapping sides like that only cause u cant realise that u cant stand alone.
and supporting goons is the absolute worste option in my eyes.
GOON are the scum of eve imho.
God damn goons tbh
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Helen
MASS Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service
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Posted - 2007.10.16 11:53:00 -
[1181]
Originally by: Shumanus
Thus a lot more things were seriously screwed up in ASCN than the T2 market or the lack of pvp leadership.
Jotan 'account expired so posting on an alt' Veer
Hi Jotan, good to see someone remebers that we did supply build cost T2 for long range weaponery etc. Thing is I was the person people had to talk to about getting discounted goods for their corp, I rarely dealt with indiviuals as that was too time consuming. If people have a beef with STK and its dealings since ASCN and infact for the ASCN/BoB war then they can fling it at me. I brought in new policies regarding selling T2 goods as the market was too easily manipulated by alts and w*nkers. I was the one that proposed the Fountain campaign and spearheaded that. But at the end of the day this is definately going to be my last post on the ASCN subject its already like people rehashing Xetic days so I'm letting go. Jotan summed it up best, there was a lot of things wrong in ASCN let it die.
RIP Hatuk.
First pod pilot to lose a Mothership in EvE... err woo |
Shredded
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.16 11:53:00 -
[1182]
Originally by: WildSide My respect for M.pire just got flushed down in the toilet. Kinda low in my eyes....swapping sides like that only cause u cant realise that u cant stand alone.
and supporting goons is the absolute worste option in my eyes.
I for one will not rest until the evil goonies are removed from the game.
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Shinami Drake
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Posted - 2007.10.16 13:16:00 -
[1183]
Way to go M. Pire, you guys can ask me anytime to fight those B0B r*t***s.
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Riddlock
Minmatar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.10.16 13:22:00 -
[1184]
Wonder how long they will lose ships in fountain , the extra sekrit bob pets outbreak and krauftbassasasda (SP) are ordered to lay terror on velios and crew ...Mpire next stop JITA ?
P.S. I love sha. k
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Dissociactive
Solar Dragons Academy Ultima Rati0
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Posted - 2007.10.16 13:51:00 -
[1185]
Edited by: Dissociactive on 16/10/2007 13:51:38 oops sorry wrong topic
stay high |
Mourning Starr
FireStar Inc
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Posted - 2007.10.16 17:55:00 -
[1186]
what's a goon?
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Serret
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.10.16 18:05:00 -
[1187]
Originally by: Cringeley GOON are the scum of eve imho.
As always, glad to see credit given where credit is due. --
<Coupo`Work> if i die illl gum you to death |
Orree
Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.10.16 22:36:00 -
[1188]
Originally by: WildSide My respect for M.pire just got flushed down in the toilet. Kinda low in my eyes....swapping sides like that only cause u cant realise that u cant stand alone.
and supporting goons is the absolute worste option in my eyes.
Everyone has an opinion, I guess.
I look at the shabby treatment they received from long-time "allies," and the fact they asked for and accepted no space for free as they moved down to Fountain and I see a group of people who actually enhanced themselves in the respect department and are trying to "stand alone" by not being given or renting space.
Honestly, I've seen people switch sides in this war for far less respectable "reasons."
I think you basically said it in your last sentence (fragment ). Your big problem is you hate the Goons. Did M.Pire get anything from them, exactly? I heard they were made offers and declined.
"How much easier it is to be critical than to be correct." ---Benjamin Disraeli |
Orangir
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.16 22:56:00 -
[1189]
Originally by: Serret As always, glad to see credit given where credit is due.
Look how witty you are.
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Dafuzz
Gallente Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.10.16 23:18:00 -
[1190]
Originally by: Mourning Starr what's a goon?
Definition of Goon
--
-If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets.. |
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TWD
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.10.16 23:56:00 -
[1191]
M.PIRE is ridin' spinnaz, also ,ocks. |
Civrax
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.17 00:03:00 -
[1192]
42 pages, nice.
Always enjoyable to see BoB pets make decisions on their own. It's one thing to live under the ass of an alliance, it's something else to take their ****.
Psst, most pets haven't learned to not eat the **** they're fed...
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Dafuzz
Gallente Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.10.17 00:15:00 -
[1193]
Originally by: Civrax 42 pages, nice.
Always enjoyable to see BoB pets make decisions on their own. It's one thing to live under the ass of an alliance, it's something else to take their ****.
Psst, most pets haven't learned to not eat the **** they're fed...
How does it feel living below the Russians?
You are nothing but a pet.
And,
You are dead, you just donut know it yet.
--
-If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets.. |
Abn Matar
Minmatar Genco Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.10.17 00:25:00 -
[1194]
Originally by: Dafuzz donut
MMMMM, DOOONUUTSSSS...... |
Nizar
Foundation R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.10.17 00:26:00 -
[1195]
42 pages! W T F ???
-------------- Nizar -------------- BARON VON NEINLEDERHOSEN
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Orangir
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.17 00:51:00 -
[1196]
Originally by: Dafuzz How does it feel living below the Russians?
You are nothing but a pet.
And,
You are dead, you just donut know it yet.
You remember that mothership of ours you killed? We were actually late on our rent payment and needed some quick isk.
Luckily Sesfan made it out with only one broken knee.
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Dafuzz
Gallente Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.10.17 00:54:00 -
[1197]
Originally by: Orangir
Originally by: Dafuzz How does it feel living below the Russians?
You are nothing but a pet.
And,
You are dead, you just donut know it yet.
You remember that mothership of ours you killed? We were actually late on our rent payment and needed some quick isk.
Luckily Sesfan made it out with only one broken knee.
Ewps, I been psyched out by the ogre
I am scared --
-If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets.. |
Martin VanBuren
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.17 02:08:00 -
[1198]
Originally by: Dafuzz
Originally by: Orangir
Originally by: Dafuzz How does it feel living below the Russians?
You are nothing but a pet.
And,
You are dead, you just donut know it yet.
You remember that mothership of ours you killed? We were actually late on our rent payment and needed some quick isk.
Luckily Sesfan made it out with only one broken knee.
Ewps, I been psyched out by the ogre
I am scared
You know, after a year and change of dominating the forum you'd think BoB would be better at this...
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Two Beans
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.17 02:13:00 -
[1199]
Originally by: Dafuzz How does it feel living below the Russians?
The representatives from the tribe of Rus has been nothing but respectful and friendly to me.
Quote: You are nothing but a pet.
Pets pay money for their territory. Yanno, like those guys in Feyth do.
Pets also lose the territory. Yanno, like those guys in Feyth do.
Quote: And,
And?
Quote: You are dead
Yeah yeah. Thank you for the update, dbp.
Quote: you just donut know it yet.
We donut know it yet? Well, we better roll over for you. Piece of cake. It was a pie in the sky, but we just didn't have the bread. Like a rolling scone. Cruller. Pastry. Croissant. Muffin. _____________
2B
Tao that is spoken is not Tao. - 老子 道德經
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Two Beans
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.17 02:16:00 -
[1200]
Originally by: Martin VanBuren You know, after a year and change of dominating the forum you'd think BoB would be better at this...
Same could be said after a year and change of playing the game that they'd be better at protecting tenant territories.
I guess they just aren't trying. _____________
2B
Tao that is spoken is not Tao. - 老子 道德經
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Grimpak
Gallente Trinity Nova KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.17 02:31:00 -
[1201]
Originally by: Two Beans
Quote: you just donut know it yet.
We donut know it yet? Well, we better roll over for you. Piece of cake. It was a pie in the sky, but we just didn't have the bread. Like a rolling scone. Cruller. Pastry. Croissant. Muffin.
and with this, the thread achieves legendary status. ---
planetary interaction idea! |
torN Deception
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.17 03:08:00 -
[1202]
Originally by: Dafuzz
Originally by: Mourning Starr what's a goon?
Definition of Goon
Great job loser you just wasted a perfect rickroll opportunity |
CrispyKritters
Caldari GoonFleet
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Posted - 2007.10.17 03:20:00 -
[1203]
Edited by: CrispyKritters on 17/10/2007 03:20:21
Originally by: Dafuzz
Originally by: Civrax 42 pages, nice.
Always enjoyable to see BoB pets make decisions on their own. It's one thing to live under the ass of an alliance, it's something else to take their ****.
Psst, most pets haven't learned to not eat the **** they're fed...
How does it feel living below the Russians?
You are nothing but a pet.
And,
You are dead, you just donut know it yet.
Backpeddling again?
First there were no goons
Then there were no goons in 0.0
Now there are no goons in a donut?
-Dfz
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Jurgurtha
O RLY corp YTMND.
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Posted - 2007.10.17 03:23:00 -
[1204]
Originally by: CrispyKritters
Backpeddling again?
First there were no goons
Then there were no goons in 0.0
Now there are no goons in a donut?
-Dfz
wtf does this mean, if theres a burn in there somewheres i cant find it. Lay off the sauce dude
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GeneticWeapon
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.17 03:33:00 -
[1205]
Originally by: Jurgurtha
Originally by: CrispyKritters
Backpeddling again?
First there were no goons
Then there were no goons in 0.0
Now there are no goons in a donut?
-Dfz
wtf does this mean, if theres a burn in there somewheres i cant find it. Lay off the sauce dude
Pay closer attention to whats written dude.
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CrispyKritters
Caldari GoonFleet
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Posted - 2007.10.17 03:42:00 -
[1206]
Originally by: Jurgurtha
Originally by: CrispyKritters
Backpeddling again?
First there were no goons
Then there were no goons in 0.0
Now there are no goons in a donut?
-Dfz
wtf does this mean, if theres a burn in there somewheres i cant find it. Lay off the sauce dude
Apparently you don't know one of the reasons why this war was started. Here, let me show you:
http://eve-search.com/index.dxd?thread=370578 http://www.eve-search.com/index.dxd?thread=372845 http://www.eve-search.com/index.dxd?thread=371427 http://www.eve-search.com/index.dxd?thread=377429 http://eve-search.com/index.dxd?thread=374274 http://www.eve-search.com/index.dxd?thread=374208 http://eve-search.com/index.dxd?thread=380624
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Dafuzz
Gallente Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.10.17 04:19:00 -
[1207]
Originally by: CrispyKritters
Originally by: Jurgurtha
Originally by: CrispyKritters
Backpeddling again?
First there were no goons
Then there were no goons in 0.0
Now there are no goons in a donut?
-Dfz
wtf does this mean, if theres a burn in there somewheres i cant find it. Lay off the sauce dude
Apparently you don't know one of the reasons why this war was started. Here, let me show you:
http://eve-search.com/index.dxd?thread=370578 http://www.eve-search.com/index.dxd?thread=372845 http://www.eve-search.com/index.dxd?thread=371427 http://www.eve-search.com/index.dxd?thread=377429 http://www.eve-search.com/index.dxd?thread=374208 http://eve-search.com/index.dxd?thread=380624
Mission help the goon 1 Mission help the goon 2 Mission help the goon 3 Mission help the goon 4 Mission help the goon 5 Mission help the goon 6 Mission help the goon 7
I did my good deed for the day.
I want my cookie to go with my caKe.
-Dfz
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CrispyKritters
Caldari GoonFleet
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Posted - 2007.10.17 04:24:00 -
[1208]
Originally by: Dafuzz
Mission help the goon 1 Mission help the goon 2 Mission help the goon 3 Mission help the goon 4 Mission help the goon 5 Mission help the goon 6 Mission help the goon 7
I did my good deed for the day.
I want my cookie to go with my caKe.
-Dfz
Thanks, I was too lazy to put in the :effort:
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Dafuzz
Gallente Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.10.17 04:30:00 -
[1209]
Originally by: CrispyKritters
Originally by: Dafuzz
Mission help the goon 1 Mission help the goon 2 Mission help the goon 3 Mission help the goon 4 Mission help the goon 5 Mission help the goon 6 Mission help the goon 7
I did my good deed for the day.
I want my cookie to go with my caKe.
-Dfz
Thanks, I was too lazy to put in the :effort:
S'all good my brother from another mother.
-Dfz --
-If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets.. |
Jurgurtha
O RLY corp YTMND.
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Posted - 2007.10.17 05:07:00 -
[1210]
I dont see what those links have to do with anything, apart from an excuse to post year old propaganda junk (and lets face it, this is CAOD, its like shooting fish in a barrel) from an alliance you have a long term beef with.
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Dafuzz
Gallente Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.10.17 05:10:00 -
[1211]
Originally by: Jurgurtha I dont see what those links have to do with anything, apart from an excuse to post year old propaganda junk (and lets face it, this is CAOD, its like shooting fish in a barrel) from an alliance you have a long term beef with.
My thoughts too, but I felt like helping the goon out with his spin, and make it easier for him. He obviously was challenged OR as he said after the fact, tired, and my brosef needed some help.
-Dfz --
-If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets.. |
Serret
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.10.17 06:23:00 -
[1212]
Originally by: Orangir
Originally by: Serret As always, glad to see credit given where credit is due.
Look how witty you are.
Why thank you, and all I had to do to earn this compliment was agree with a Goon! --
<Coupo`Work> if i die illl gum you to death |
Delezar
Hellfire-Empire
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Posted - 2007.10.17 06:24:00 -
[1213]
I wonder if stk didn't **** off bob, so they could finally swing the loyalty of the rest. Afterall they fought the gbc already (in invictus I think?) then went off doing their own things for a while and after that joining m.pire (switching sides). Now they annouce m.pire joining rsf again. IIt really looks like a well planned operation to swing the opinion of one alliance. Too bad that gungan gave it all away with his original post and his replies, making the operation still successful, but leaving stk with a rather deep scratch in their reputation.
--- Delezar, CEO |
Pimpja
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.10.17 07:05:00 -
[1214]
Let's pwn bobbits, I don't care about the drama :).
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Brobuck
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.17 07:45:00 -
[1215]
Edited by: Brobuck on 17/10/2007 07:47:34 Do you ever read your posts, or do you just do free form stream of consciousness?
Quote: The Results
S-U Results
GoonSwarm Losses to BoB in S-U since we arrived. Assault Frigate= 2 Battlecruiser = 2 Battleship = 2 Bomber = 1 Capsule = 664 Covert Ops Frigate = 1 Cruiser = 15 Destroyer = 6 Frigate = 298 Heavy Assault Cruiser = 1 Industrial = 7 Interceptor = 5 Noobie Ship = 171 Shuttle = 273
BoB Losses to GoonSwarm in S-U since we arrived. None.
The Conclusion
GoonSwarm are afraid to engage us in thier own territory. Like so many before them they have gone on the offensive in another territory while we dismantle their homeland.
War Fatigue is showing already with a drop in the number of suicide pilots into S-U. They told us they love it but they don't appear to be loving it very much right now.
Shortly we will begin the removal of every pos in syndicate.
The Goons 0.0 dream is over.
dbp
This is one of the links you posted. Do you think the post matches the reality? *Spoiler Alert*
Another of your allies is about to defect. Guess which one.
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Vile rat
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.17 09:19:00 -
[1216]
So where is DBP these days? I miss his posting.
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George Petsch
Caldari Thundercats RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.17 13:46:00 -
[1217]
Originally by: Vile rat So where is DBP these days? I miss his posting.
yeah, me too
wait
after reading this: http://www.eve-search.com/search/author/db%20preacher
...
I don't
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Tearavygh Quillam
Caldari Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.17 14:54:00 -
[1218]
Originally by: Kryztal We are arrogant and our allies and friends know that, we also show respect to those that show us respect.
With an attitude like that, I see very hard times ahead of BoB. By the looks of things it seems the number of alliances who respect BoB is getting smaller and smaller each day.
It was about time.
Originally by: Kryztal We gave m.pire our respect and got nothing but smack back. With attitude like that your better suited on the other side anyway.
M.pire "behaved" nicely in the North and even though they had to retreat, they did it gracefully. Many of us Northeners appreciate it.
Good choice empire!
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marakor
Gallente Anti Lag Forum Smackers
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Posted - 2007.10.17 16:22:00 -
[1219]
Edited by: marakor on 17/10/2007 16:26:35
Originally by: Tearavygh Quillam
Originally by: Kryztal We are arrogant and our allies and friends know that, we also show respect to those that show us respect.
With an attitude like that, I see very hard times ahead of BoB. By the looks of things it seems the number of alliances who respect BoB is getting smaller and smaller each day.
It was about time.
Originally by: Kryztal We gave m.pire our respect and got nothing but smack back. With attitude like that your better suited on the other side anyway.
M.pire "behaved" nicely in the North and even though they had to retreat, they did it gracefully. Many of us Northeners appreciate it.
Good choice empire!
Im sure that the ppl who gained 6 out posts without actualy conquering one would consider that surrender "graceful" and "behaved" but i think a lot of ppl who did not gain from it or have a personal bias would call it somthing else.
But i agree BOB are getting stupid or maybe they are stacking so many ppl against them they can make a claim of being legends when they lose cos 90% of eve was shooting em.
The opinions that i give are the opinions of my corp although my alts opinions may differ as this is my forum smack alt. |
Privious
Caldari Thundercats RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.17 16:24:00 -
[1220]
You spelled mother****** wrong!!! ---------
When the pin is pulled Mr. Grenade is not our friend. |
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Bozl1n
Caldari Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.10.17 23:04:00 -
[1221]
Originally by: Don Z0LA Edited by: Don Z0LA on 10/10/2007 23:39:51 BOB backstabbed so many friends till now, and people still didnt learned lesson :/
respect for standing up M.Pire
edit : spelling :/
What supprises me don is that people still fall 4 it.
Sig returned after a victory with the appeal \o/ ;)~ |
Xenny Lee
Minmatar coracao ardente Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.10.18 05:17:00 -
[1222]
6 bil a week per corp... thats not asking you to fight with em thats asking you to fund their war. Basically a small BS fleet or a few caps a week per corp. But to be honest... 6 bil a week... might as well be called slavery if ya took those terms.
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Matty Walker
Body Heat LLP
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Posted - 2007.10.18 06:21:00 -
[1223]
Originally by: DB Preacher Are GoonSwarm ever going to be allowed to build up in any way in 0.0 space again? No.
For the moment, we are leaving syndicate but we will continue to monitor the GoonSwarm and should we feel that they have done anything of note in the game, we will destroy it.
I am sure that some of those remaining GoonSwarm members will be rejoicing at having survived this long against us but I can only ask you were you have been recently.
Keep watching Goons, because we will.
We will be back, with gangs, with fleets, with BoB.
We command your game now. As long as you remain in GoonSwarm, we make you play our way and nothing you say will really convince yourself that this isn't true.
Funny how that prediction turned out, isn't it?
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Serret
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.10.18 08:08:00 -
[1224]
Edited by: Serret on 18/10/2007 08:08:34
Originally by: Xenny Lee 6 bil a week per corp... thats not asking you to fight with em thats asking you to fund their war. Basically a small BS fleet or a few caps a week per corp. But to be honest... 6 bil a week... might as well be called slavery if ya took those terms.
6 bil/month/alliance = the standard price, as offered to M.PIRE
6 bil/week/corp = price that posters believe after 43 pages of this garbage
Approximate error = 3000% --
<Coupo`Work> if i die illl gum you to death |
Vile rat
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.18 08:26:00 -
[1225]
Originally by: Serret Edited by: Serret on 18/10/2007 08:08:34
Originally by: Xenny Lee 6 bil a week per corp... thats not asking you to fight with em thats asking you to fund their war. Basically a small BS fleet or a few caps a week per corp. But to be honest... 6 bil a week... might as well be called slavery if ya took those terms.
6 bil/month/alliance = the standard price, as offered to M.PIRE
6 bil/week/corp = price that posters believe after 43 pages of this garbage
Approximate error = 3000%
huh. So that's how much dignity and self respect cost, 6 billion.
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Leilani Solaris
Gallente Wreckless Abandon Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.10.18 08:27:00 -
[1226]
>>Out of Control<< |
Serret
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.10.18 08:42:00 -
[1227]
Originally by: Vile rat
huh. So that's how much dignity and self respect costs, 6 billion.
Have Goons suddenly become interested in dignity and self-respect on the Internet? --
<Coupo`Work> if i die illl gum you to death |
Malachon Draco
eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.10.18 08:46:00 -
[1228]
Originally by: Serret
Originally by: Vile rat
huh. So that's how much dignity and self respect costs, 6 billion.
Have Goons suddenly become interested in dignity and self-respect on the Internet?
I think its for the re-education/deprogramming courses they are preparing for your former pets. ------------------------------------------------
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Velios
M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.18 08:46:00 -
[1229]
I'm really bored of seeing this thread now, let it die.
M.Corp Capital Blueprint Facility |
Scatim Helicon
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.18 10:28:00 -
[1230]
Originally by: Vile rat So where is DBP these days? I miss his posting.
Its
Me.
I'm DBP.
There
are
no
g
o
o
n
s.
-dbp
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Gungankllr
Caldari STK Scientific M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.18 11:31:00 -
[1231]
Originally by: Velios I'm really bored of seeing this thread now, let it die.
I've made two posts requesting it be locked and sent the mods an email.
I guess I should drive to CCP with the URL tatooed on my ass and I should run around in a lime green thong in their offices before they notice.
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Angor
The JORG Corporation Methods of Mayhem Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.18 11:47:00 -
[1232]
at least get it to 50 pages, come on you slackers lol _______________________________ [ 2007.06.07 21:07:22 ] FrankyWave > ransom me guys I am joining XElas !!!
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cruxix
M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.18 11:51:00 -
[1233]
Originally by: Gungankllr
Originally by: Velios I'm really bored of seeing this thread now, let it die.
I've made two posts requesting it be locked and sent the mods an email.
I guess I should drive to CCP with the URL tatooed on my ass and I should run around in a lime green thong in their offices before they notice.
stop arousing the goons...you will only make things worse...
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Cringeley
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.18 11:54:00 -
[1234]
Originally by: Matty Walker Funny how that prediction turned out, isn't it?
I'm being 100% serious when I say that if DBP and a few other BoB trolls hadn't pushed us so hard and been so arrogant, we might have evaporated by now. They forged us into a blade aimed at their own hearts just because they couldn't shut up.
*trolls the **** out of RISE*
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Velios
M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.18 11:56:00 -
[1235]
...OK. lets go for the big 50 then!
More pointless posts in this thread please, we have a target to reach!
post below.
M.Corp Capital Blueprint Facility |
Mortiferus
Minmatar NEXUS CLOUD M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.18 12:05:00 -
[1236]
Edited by: Mortiferus on 18/10/2007 12:05:56 HONEY! Were home !
Gosh Vel, I guess you need to find more Veld roid fields for our corp of miners as we will need the trit to build more haulers! After all we are all Carebears here.
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marakor
Gallente Anti Lag Forum Smackers
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Posted - 2007.10.18 12:05:00 -
[1237]
Edited by: marakor on 18/10/2007 12:06:55
Originally by: Cringeley
Originally by: Matty Walker Funny how that prediction turned out, isn't it?
I'm being 100% serious when I say that if DBP and a few other BoB trolls hadn't pushed us so hard and been so arrogant, we might have evaporated by now. They forged us into a blade aimed at their own hearts just because they couldn't shut up.
*trolls the **** out of RISE*
Lots of victories means lots of ****ed off ppl and eventualy there are enough to kick your butt as BOB is finding out right now. Although the attitude they dish out aint doin them any favors.
The opinions that i give are the opinions of my corp although my alts opinions may differ as this is my forum smack alt. |
Avon
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.10.18 12:06:00 -
[1238]
Originally by: Velios ...OK. lets go for the big 50 then!
More pointless posts in this thread please, we have a target to reach!
post below.
If this thread goes stale around page 48 are you going to bail on it and join a different thread? justsoiknow
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
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Cringeley
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.18 12:08:00 -
[1239]
Originally by: Avon
Originally by: Velios ...OK. lets go for the big 50 then!
More pointless posts in this thread please, we have a target to reach!
post below.
If this thread goes stale around page 48 are you going to bail on it and join a different thread? justsoiknow
Maybe if someone's charging them 6 billion per post and instead of letting them post just taking a **** on their keyboard and laughing about it.
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dastommy79
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.18 12:09:00 -
[1240]
Originally by: Avon
Originally by: Velios ...OK. lets go for the big 50 then!
More pointless posts in this thread please, we have a target to reach!
post below.
If this thread goes stale around page 48 are you going to bail on it and join a different thread? justsoiknow
Are you gonna charge the next thread 6bill a month in rent? then when it gets filled up with goons, are you gonna just abandon it?
I driks alots |
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Avon
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.10.18 12:10:00 -
[1241]
Edited by: Avon on 18/10/2007 12:10:47 It would be more like letting them post for free, and charging them six bil for sigs tbh.
Added: They all get sigs for that, it isn't per corp.
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
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Velios
M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.18 12:14:00 -
[1242]
Originally by: Avon
Originally by: Velios ...OK. lets go for the big 50 then!
More pointless posts in this thread please, we have a target to reach!
post below.
If this thread goes stale around page 48 are you going to bail on it and join a different thread? justsoiknow
Probably
Yes
That
Might
Be
What
Happens |
FrioBebe
S.A.S Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2007.10.18 12:15:00 -
[1243]
Disco Time?
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dralid maximus
M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.18 12:40:00 -
[1244]
Easily snatches post 1300 in this Epic Cascade of Success thread
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cruxix
M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.18 13:19:00 -
[1245]
I think we have reached a point where even the goons are tired of this thread... perhaps bob can use that as a tactic against them since riding the wave of their own ego appears to be petering out.
P.S.... ISD...can I get a warning like w0rmy too? :)
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Riddlock
Minmatar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.10.18 13:19:00 -
[1246]
Maybe till this post will hit 50 pages you guys will fall back from Fountain and go another place?
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Swatte Kudasai
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Posted - 2007.10.18 13:23:00 -
[1247]
It's a good thing M.Pire didn't take that deal, the 6 billion isk they saved should just about cover their losses to Outbreak since moving to YZ-LQL, less than a week ago.
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Local Her0
Minmatar La Mancha Corp
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Posted - 2007.10.18 13:42:00 -
[1248]
the eastbound train
keep them posts coming
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cruxix
M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.18 13:44:00 -
[1249]
Should you wish to continue this thread i highly recommend you check out this website http://stupidfilter.org it may be your salvation.
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Nekumi
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.18 13:51:00 -
[1250]
Originally by: Avon
Originally by: Velios ...OK. lets go for the big 50 then!
More pointless posts in this thread please, we have a target to reach!
post below.
If this thread goes stale around page 48 are you going to bail on it and join a different thread? justsoiknow
lol BoB are stale.
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Nekumi
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.18 13:52:00 -
[1251]
Originally by: Riddlock Maybe till this post will hit 50 pages you guys will fall back from Fountain and go another place?
:D :D hopefully Delve :D :D
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Gneeznow
Minmatar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.10.18 13:57:00 -
[1252]
posting in a thread o/
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Boonaki
Caldari Knights of Chaos Chaos Incarnate.
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Posted - 2007.10.18 14:02:00 -
[1253]
You guys should be able to do an easy 6 bil per month per corp damage to BoB. I think it was a rather large mistake on BoB's part.
Was there any negotiating? or was it like 6 bil or go back to em.pire? Fear the Ibis of doom!
113 |
Jurgurtha
O RLY corp YTMND.
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Posted - 2007.10.18 14:03:00 -
[1254]
Originally by: Gneeznow posting in a thread o/
qft
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Scatim Helicon
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.18 14:09:00 -
[1255]
Originally by: cruxix I think we have reached a point where even the goons are tired of this thread...
NEVARRRRR
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Angor
The JORG Corporation Methods of Mayhem Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.18 14:21:00 -
[1256]
Originally by: Avon
Originally by: Velios ...OK. lets go for the big 50 then!
More pointless posts in this thread please, we have a target to reach!
post below.
If this thread goes stale around page 48 are you going to bail on it and join a different thread? justsoiknow
This thread might be full pointless posts, but its some funny dribble. _______________________________ [ 2007.06.07 21:07:22 ] FrankyWave > ransom me guys I am joining XElas !!!
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Arl
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.18 14:59:00 -
[1257]
Originally by: cruxix I think we have reached a point where even the goons are tired of this thread...
Doubt it.
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Avon
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.10.18 15:02:00 -
[1258]
Originally by: Boonaki You guys should be able to do an easy 6 bil per month per corp damage to BoB. I think it was a rather large mistake on BoB's part.
Was there any negotiating? or was it like 6 bil or go back to em.pire?
Since it is an old timer like you Boonaki, I'll answer.
The 6bil/month deal was a rental offer for space. It had nothing to do with being allowed to fight with MC and BoB, or maintaining standings, or anything like that.
It wasn't a demand, "pay up or die", or anything like that, just a simple business offer.
They could have easily made their own alternative arrangements, or accepted MC's offer of a free staging point, but instead they rushed to CAOD and announced their defection, claiming that BoB was demanding 6bil per corp to continue fighting ... almost as if it was a cover story .. Whilst untrue, this disinformation was warmly accepted by the coalition, because it is what they wanted to hear. It made good ammunition to use against other "pets", ie: BoB will make you pay or turn on you; and: you can say no to paying rent too!; rather than the more honest message: You too can betray your allies, join the bad guys, lie about your reasons, and then be treated like heroes!
But, whatever. In all honesty I am happier with STK on the other side, and some people in the m.pire leadership also; but I do feel for a lot of the members of the alliance. It is clear from their posts in this thread that they haven't all been told the same story, and I think they probably deserved better than that.
I know the leaders of that alliance have to do what they think is best for their membership, what's left of it, but I am not sure what they thought was best actually was. Even if switching sides was the only way to survive, I feel that the way they went about it did more harm to them than good.
I hope they survive, and I hope they prosper, and I truely hope they bring it. Unfortunately I am not convinced.
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
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Asperger
Foundation R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.10.18 15:14:00 -
[1259]
Originally by: Avon
Originally by: Boonaki You guys should be able to do an easy 6 bil per month per corp damage to BoB. I think it was a rather large mistake on BoB's part.
Was there any negotiating? or was it like 6 bil or go back to em.pire?
Since it is an old timer like you Boonaki, I'll answer.
*Damage Control II*
Ah, I see. You're still at it 40 pages later. It must have hurt...
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Cippalippus Primus
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.18 15:19:00 -
[1260]
Originally by: Avon We're losing
It's ok bro, i got your back.
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Goberth Ludwig
eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.10.18 15:21:00 -
[1261]
Originally by: Avon In all honesty I am happier with STK on the other side, and some people in the m.pire leadership also;
Sorry, I know its a cheap shot - but are you basically telling us that you didnt want those pets anyway?
- Gob
Stealth bombers work! |
Gontard
Minmatar E-Truth
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Posted - 2007.10.18 15:22:00 -
[1262]
Originally by: Cippalippus Primus
Originally by: Avon We're losing
It's ok bro, i got your back.
It's questionable if they are loosing but for sure you don't win anything. You are just 2xIAC.
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Velios
M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.18 15:22:00 -
[1263]
Originally by: Avon Plop
Due to the fact that we are bored of this thread and our energy levels for it are now pretty low, this is your best opportunity to post drivel with a high probability of it going uncontested.
Man, you got some staying power!
M.Corp Capital Blueprint Facility |
Artcanin
Caldari Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.18 15:27:00 -
[1264]
oh hai guys, wutz goin on in dis thread?
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Vaarmoth Malinigvious
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.10.18 15:31:00 -
[1265]
Originally by: cruxix riding the wave
Funny that you'd say that that being in the corp you are.
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Galgarak
Gallente Malus Spiritus
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Posted - 2007.10.18 15:36:00 -
[1266]
Edited by: Galgarak on 18/10/2007 15:36:45
Originally by: Avon
Originally by: Boonaki You guys should be able to do an easy 6 bil per month per corp damage to BoB. I think it was a rather large mistake on BoB's part.
Was there any negotiating? or was it like 6 bil or go back to em.pire?
Since it is an old timer like you Boonaki, I'll answer.
The 6bil/month deal was a rental offer for space. It had nothing to do with being allowed to fight with MC and BoB, or maintaining standings, or anything like that.
It wasn't a demand, "pay up or die", or anything like that, just a simple business offer.
They could have easily made their own alternative arrangements, or accepted MC's offer of a free staging point, but instead they rushed to CAOD and announced their defection, claiming that BoB was demanding 6bil per corp to continue fighting ... almost as if it was a cover story .. Whilst untrue, this disinformation was warmly accepted by the coalition, because it is what they wanted to hear. It made good ammunition to use against other "pets", ie: BoB will make you pay or turn on you; and: you can say no to paying rent too!; rather than the more honest message: You too can betray your allies, join the bad guys, lie about your reasons, and then be treated like heroes!
But, whatever. In all honesty I am happier with STK on the other side, and some people in the m.pire leadership also; but I do feel for a lot of the members of the alliance. It is clear from their posts in this thread that they haven't all been told the same story, and I think they probably deserved better than that.
I know the leaders of that alliance have to do what they think is best for their membership, what's left of it, but I am not sure what they thought was best actually was. Even if switching sides was the only way to survive, I feel that the way they went about it did more harm to them than good.
I hope they survive, and I hope they prosper, and I truely hope they bring it. Unfortunately I am not convinced.
Excellent response, i shall keep this in my signature until m.pire are no more or their leadership own up to their deception not only to eve community but to their brothers and sisters within the alliance Truth of M.Pire |
Ivor Gunn
No One Expects The Spanish Inquisition
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Posted - 2007.10.18 15:38:00 -
[1267]
Originally by: Galgarak Excellent response, i shall keep this in my signature until m.pire are no more or their leadership own up to their deception not only to eve community but to their brothers and sisters within the alliance
This is either a masterful troll...
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mamolian
M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.18 15:41:00 -
[1268]
Originally by: Avon
...
We still trying to spin the ONOES! those poor members have been decieved!
-------------------------------
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Galgarak
Gallente Malus Spiritus
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Posted - 2007.10.18 15:43:00 -
[1269]
Originally by: mamolian
Originally by: Avon
...
We still trying to spin the ONOES! those poor members have been decieved!
Is ashame that you would let ignorance prevail Truth of M.Pire |
Falco Sparverius
Gallente Confederation of Red Moon Red Moon Federation
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Posted - 2007.10.18 15:46:00 -
[1270]
WTF? 42 bil/day/member?
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mamolian
M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.18 15:47:00 -
[1271]
Originally by: Galgarak
Originally by: mamolian
Originally by: Avon
...
We still trying to spin the ONOES! those poor members have been decieved!
Is ashame that you would let ignorance prevail
Crisis corp.. who was that again? Chimera Pact? Then LV, now part of Reikoku I'm guessing? Cmon you bob troll.. Its a shame.. your can't use your main?
-------------------------------
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Galgarak
Gallente Malus Spiritus
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Posted - 2007.10.18 15:50:00 -
[1272]
Originally by: mamolian
Originally by: Galgarak
Originally by: mamolian
Originally by: Avon
...
We still trying to spin the ONOES! those poor members have been decieved!
Is ashame that you would let ignorance prevail
Crisis corp.. who was that again? Chimera Pact? Then LV, now part of Reikoku I'm guessing? Cmon you bob troll.. Its a shame.. your can't use your main?
I hav no affiliation with BoB anylonger or any side in this pettiful war, i do however have a poor capacity in accepting blatent lies and deception. I am in Malus spiritus, part of a gaming community nothing more nothing less, If you cannot handle my comments put me on the spam filter Truth of M.Pire |
Angor
The JORG Corporation Methods of Mayhem Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.18 15:58:00 -
[1273]
Originally by: Avon
Originally by: Boonaki You guys should be able to do an easy 6 bil per month per corp damage to BoB. I think it was a rather large mistake on BoB's part.
Was there any negotiating? or was it like 6 bil or go back to em.pire?
Since it is an old timer like you Boonaki, I'll answer.
The 6bil/month deal was a rental offer for space. It had nothing to do with being allowed to fight with MC and BoB, or maintaining standings, or anything like that.
It wasn't a demand, "pay up or die", or anything like that, just a simple business offer.
They could have easily made their own alternative arrangements, or accepted MC's offer of a free staging point, but instead they rushed to CAOD and announced their defection, claiming that BoB was demanding 6bil per corp to continue fighting ... almost as if it was a cover story .. Whilst untrue, this disinformation was warmly accepted by the coalition, because it is what they wanted to hear. It made good ammunition to use against other "pets", ie: BoB will make you pay or turn on you; and: you can say no to paying rent too!; rather than the more honest message: You too can betray your allies, join the bad guys, lie about your reasons, and then be treated like heroes!
But, whatever. In all honesty I am happier with STK on the other side, and some people in the m.pire leadership also; but I do feel for a lot of the members of the alliance. It is clear from their posts in this thread that they haven't all been told the same story, and I think they probably deserved better than that.
I know the leaders of that alliance have to do what they think is best for their membership, what's left of it, but I am not sure what they thought was best actually was. Even if switching sides was the only way to survive, I feel that the way they went about it did more harm to them than good.
I hope they survive, and I hope they prosper, and I truely hope they bring it. Unfortunately I am not convinced.
Well it took 45 pages but now its out lol.
Even if this is propeganda there are things that make sense. Mpire went to help MC, and if they offered them free access and staging points from their systems in Delve then why even bother to deal with BoB at all? _______________________________ [ 2007.06.07 21:07:22 ] FrankyWave > ransom me guys I am joining XElas !!!
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Scatim Helicon
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.18 16:15:00 -
[1274]
Originally by: Artcanin oh hai guys, wutz goin on in dis thread?
YOUR MOM LOL
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cruxix
M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.18 16:46:00 -
[1275]
Originally by: Vaarmoth Malinigvious
Originally by: cruxix riding the wave
Funny that you'd say that that being in the corp you are.
I'm glad you find it amusing. Nothing makes me happier than making you giggle.
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marakor
Gallente Anti Lag Forum Smackers
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Posted - 2007.10.18 18:17:00 -
[1276]
Originally by: Avon Since it is an old timer like you Boonaki, I'll answer.
The 6bil/month deal was a rental offer for space. It had nothing to do with being allowed to fight with MC and BoB, or maintaining standings, or anything like that.
It wasn't a demand, "pay up or die", or anything like that, just a simple business offer.
They could have easily made their own alternative arrangements, or accepted MC's offer of a free staging point, but instead they rushed to CAOD and announced their defection, claiming that BoB was demanding 6bil per corp to continue fighting ... almost as if it was a cover story .. Whilst untrue, this disinformation was warmly accepted by the coalition, because it is what they wanted to hear. It made good ammunition to use against other "pets", ie: BoB will make you pay or turn on you; and: you can say no to paying rent too!; rather than the more honest message: You too can betray your allies, join the bad guys, lie about your reasons, and then be treated like heroes!
But, whatever. In all honesty I am happier with STK on the other side, and some people in the m.pire leadership also; but I do feel for a lot of the members of the alliance. It is clear from their posts in this thread that they haven't all been told the same story, and I think they probably deserved better than that.
I know the leaders of that alliance have to do what they think is best for their membership, what's left of it, but I am not sure what they thought was best actually was. Even if switching sides was the only way to survive, I feel that the way they went about it did more harm to them than good.
I hope they survive, and I hope they prosper, and I truely hope they bring it. Unfortunately I am not convinced.
The 6bil isk was an excuse/drama bomb used by the leadership and carebear members of STK/MPIRE to switch to what they consider to be the winning side of the war. It has been on the cards since the titan nerf allowed blobbing to be successful subsequently allowing goon/allies to push BOB back.
There are plenty of areas in eve for an alliance of STK/MPIRES size to go had they chosen to officialy reset standings to BOB but they have instead chosen to ally/hide behind RA/GOON. Couple this with the surrender in BKG that was done without losing a single of the six outposts and without informing or consulting their allies who were actualy in battle at the time shows an alliance leadership that due to RA/GOONS big push decided to switch sides.
I believe this is because the loudest voices in STK/MPIRE are those who wish a nice bit of defended/safe space to build their super capitals and carebear in and they doubt they can find this on the BOB side of the fence any longer and do not have the nerve or belief in themselves to find it on their own.
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Etho Demerzel
Gallente Holy Clan of the Cone
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Posted - 2007.10.18 20:40:00 -
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Originally by: Avon It made good ammunition to use against other "pets", ie: BoB will make you pay or turn on you; and: you can say no to paying rent too!; rather than the more honest message: You too can betray your allies, join the bad guys, lie about your reasons, and then be treated like heroes!
You are right Avon, it is pure disinformation. The truth is, Bob will make you pay and turn on you even then. See Rise and Xelas for reference...
I hope you die soon. It will be refreshing not to see your faces in CAOD anymore. Yoru hypocrisy is sickening.
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Eragrostis
M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.18 20:47:00 -
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Originally by: Galgarak I hav no affiliation with BoB anylonger or any side in this pettiful war, i do however have a poor capacity in accepting blatent lies and deception.
But of course you read a post in CAOD and it was the truth behind lies and deception. Slick.
Originally by: marakor
The 6bil isk was an excuse/drama bomb used by the leadership and carebear members of STK/MPIRE to switch to what they consider to be the winning side of the war.
Actually the clincher was getting locked out of front line stations (prior to anyone in M.Pire even considering resetting standings). The explanation from Bob on this was such a flagrant lie as to be laughable, although I suspect it was not something well thought out on their part (but then, when you're that arrogant you don't think through those kinds of decisions really). The "business offer" only made it that much more insulting. Ummm, ya. F that.
Originally by: marakor but they have instead chosen to ally/hide behind RA/GOON.
News to me. As far as I can tell we are nowhere near RA/Goon and have no involvement with anything they are doing aside from incidentals. Keep guessing. You'll get it right eventually.
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Digicomm
The Scope
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Posted - 2007.10.18 20:59:00 -
[1279]
Ok please explain what exactly you are doing then?
Could there again be some poor leadership on the part of m.pire not being able to decide whether to be friends of goons or move to fountain and get brutally wtfpnd again like you just already did.
You want a nice quiet part of o.o, maybe even paragon soul but your lack the leadership. You were lied to about the bob deal and about how MC offered you a temporary home.
M.pire was locked out after intel was relayed showing that you were all a traitous and opportunistic alliance. You fail to blame your leaders for thier deceit. STK was locked out first because they couldnt follow rules in someone else space.
Now this all maybe seem like my way to spin things but I can assure you its the truth. The pilots of m.pire were lied to, STK saw that they might have to pay a bil a month for a region and turned thier entire alliance against the GBC making up lies like this 42b/7 crap.
I hope you find yourselves in EMPIRE because of your sorry excuse for an alliance ExEc and corp leadership.
Eventually the alliance or coalition wont want anything to do with any of you. Have fun in low sec.
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Grimpak
Gallente Trinity Nova KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.18 21:26:00 -
[1280]
Originally by: Digicomm Ok please explain what exactly you are doing then?
Could there again be some poor leadership on the part of m.pire not being able to decide whether to be friends of goons or move to fountain and get brutally wtfpnd again like you just already did.
You want a nice quiet part of o.o, maybe even paragon soul but your lack the leadership. You were lied to about the bob deal and about how MC offered you a temporary home.
M.pire was locked out after intel was relayed showing that you were all a traitous and opportunistic alliance. You fail to blame your leaders for thier deceit. STK was locked out first because they couldnt follow rules in someone else space.
Now this all maybe seem like my way to spin things but I can assure you its the truth. The pilots of m.pire were lied to, STK saw that they might have to pay a bil a month for a region and turned thier entire alliance against the GBC making up lies like this 42b/7 crap.
I hope you find yourselves in EMPIRE because of your sorry excuse for an alliance ExEc and corp leadership.
Eventually the alliance or coalition wont want anything to do with any of you. Have fun in low sec.
-dbp ---
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Eragrostis
M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.18 21:31:00 -
[1281]
Originally by: Digicomm Ok please explain what exactly you are doing then?
No. That's our business tbh.
Originally by: Digicomm Could there again be some poor leadership on the part of m.pire not being able to decide whether to be friends of goons or move to fountain and get brutally wtfpnd again like you just already did.
Actually, a decision along those lines was made and time will tell if we are, as you say, "brutally wtfpwnd again".
Originally by: Digicomm You were lied to about the bob deal and about how MC offered you a temporary home.
On the contrary, the Bob deal was on the table with all members having a say. It was almost unanimously balked at (although there was confusion about the exact figure, nobody was interested in paying anything). Some were outraged, but most simply and respectfully were not interested in being renters. They were there to fight, not rent. Results of discussions with Goons were also on the table, which contained a very attractive proposal when compared to Bob. Yet this was also very unpopular with many members and pretty much went nowhere.
Originally by: Digicomm M.pire was locked out after intel was relayed showing that you were all a traitous and opportunistic alliance.
There is a very well established timeline for these events in particular which determine your account to be thoroughly incorrect. Again, this is where things ultimately went sour and people got pretty upset, then exploring options with other entities. The 6bill/month became just an insult on top of this at this point, esp given the impossible explanation for the lockout.
Originally by: Digicomm Now this all maybe seem like my way to spin things but I can assure you its the truth.
It's a dizzy truth then, at best.
Originally by: Digicomm The pilots of m.pire were lied to
Nope, although it would have been so fortunate for the members with old friends in the GBC if this were the case. Actually, I've never seen an alliance be as honestly open with facts and discussions as MPire leadership was about this (my experience in alliances goes back to pre-5).
Originally by: Digicomm Have fun in low sec.
Don't worry, we'll have fun wherever we end up. But thanks anyways.
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SamuraiJack
Caldari Celestial Horizon Corp. Valainaloce
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Posted - 2007.10.18 21:45:00 -
[1282]
Originally by: Goberth Ludwig
Sorry, I know its a cheap shot - but are you basically telling us that you didnt want those pets anyway?
- Gob
Warning... Nuclear Launch Detected :P
Gob you owe me another keyboard you git.
SJ. CLS CEO, Valainloce Executor and Standings Director =-
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Ezoran DuBlaidd
Rivers Enterprises Power Corrupts Industry's
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Posted - 2007.10.18 21:50:00 -
[1283]
Originally by: Digicomm Ok please explain what exactly you are doing then?
Could there again be some poor leadership on the part of m.pire not being able to decide whether to be friends of goons or move to fountain and get brutally wtfpnd again like you just already did.
You want a nice quiet part of o.o, maybe even paragon soul but your lack the leadership. You were lied to about the bob deal and about how MC offered you a temporary home.
M.pire was locked out after intel was relayed showing that you were all a traitous and opportunistic alliance. You fail to blame your leaders for thier deceit. STK was locked out first because they couldnt follow rules in someone else space.
Now this all maybe seem like my way to spin things but I can assure you its the truth. The pilots of m.pire were lied to, STK saw that they might have to pay a bil a month for a region and turned thier entire alliance against the GBC making up lies like this 42b/7 crap.
I hope you find yourselves in EMPIRE because of your sorry excuse for an alliance ExEc and corp leadership.
Eventually the alliance or coalition wont want anything to do with any of you. Have fun in low sec.
you know this because your superiours in 'the scope' told you?
alt posting is so reliable; dontcha know
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SamuraiJack
Caldari Celestial Horizon Corp. Valainaloce
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Posted - 2007.10.18 21:51:00 -
[1284]
Originally by: Gungankllr [ I've made two posts requesting it be locked and sent the mods an email.
I guess I should drive to CCP with the URL tatooed on my ass and I should run around in a lime green thong in their offices before they notice.
OBJECTION!
Thong forumage is SJ domain territory.
How ever... Lime green? Damn. Even i'm not that evil.
/me grabs his pink thong.
"What we gonna do tonight Brain?" "Blind Eve-O." "Word."
SJ. CLS CEO, Valainloce Executor and Standings Director =-
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Bein Glorious
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.18 22:51:00 -
[1285]
y'know i just had a crazy idea
you know how there's pert plus...shampoo and conditioner in the same bottle...so you save time in the shower by only having to apply one hair product instead of two
and then there's body wash soap, where you put it in the loofah and scrub it around and it lathers up and you wash yourself with the bubbles...
well what if they made a product that was shampoo, hair conditioner..... AND body wash ....IN THE SAME BOTTLE
you would use your hair as a makeshift loofah and put the bubbles in your armpits and stuff and get clean
anyway....think about it and get back to me in the morning |
Cringeley
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.18 22:56:00 -
[1286]
Why does this thread move so slowly?
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Technix
Gallente DAB RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.18 23:00:00 -
[1287]
Originally by: Bein Glorious y'know i just had a crazy idea
you know how there's pert plus...shampoo and conditioner in the same bottle...so you save time in the shower by only having to apply one hair product instead of two
and then there's body wash soap, where you put it in the loofah and scrub it around and it lathers up and you wash yourself with the bubbles...
well what if they made a product that was shampoo, hair conditioner..... AND body wash ....IN THE SAME BOTTLE
you would use your hair as a makeshift loofah and put the bubbles in your armpits and stuff and get clean
anyway....think about it and get back to me in the morning
ZOMG patent pending mutha ******!!!
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Xenuchrist
Gallente STK Scientific M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.18 23:41:00 -
[1288]
Edited by: Xenuchrist on 18/10/2007 23:42:12 1st! -Oh wait...
Originally by: marakor
The 6bil isk was an excuse/drama bomb used by the leadership and carebear members of STK/MPIRE to switch to what they consider to be the winning side of the war. It has been on the cards since the titan nerf allowed blobbing to be successful subsequently allowing goon/allies to push BOB back.
*snipped rest of alt drivel*
Wow. Just wow. Even for a forum smack alt, there's no law prohibiting having actual points... -or just making sense. (Your quoting BOB's Dark Lord/Head spintress, now see if you can take some pointers from him as well.)
At the time this occured, Lower Catch was fallen/falling and CAOD was full of discussions about the impending colapse of IAC, and even the beginning of the end of the Coalition itself... Surely it would be much safer for us evil plotters, if we waited a little longer to see how that played out? No?
-- "In human stupidity, when it is not malicious, there is something very touching, even beautiful... There always is." /Tolstoy |
marakor
Gallente Anti Lag Forum Smackers
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Posted - 2007.10.18 23:56:00 -
[1289]
Edited by: marakor on 18/10/2007 23:58:48 Edited by: marakor on 18/10/2007 23:58:09
Originally by: Xenuchrist Edited by: Xenuchrist on 18/10/2007 23:42:12 1st! -Oh wait...
Originally by: marakor
The 6bil isk was an excuse/drama bomb used by the leadership and carebear members of STK/MPIRE to switch to what they consider to be the winning side of the war. It has been on the cards since the titan nerf allowed blobbing to be successful subsequently allowing goon/allies to push BOB back.
There are plenty of areas in eve for an alliance of STK/MPIRES size to go had they chosen to officialy reset standings to BOB but they have instead chosen to ally/hide behind RA/GOON. Couple this with the surrender in BKG that was done without losing a single of the six outposts and without informing or consulting their allies who were actualy in battle at the time shows an alliance leadership that due to RA/GOONS big push decided to switch sides.
I believe this is because the loudest voices in STK/MPIRE are those who wish a nice bit of defended/safe space to build their super capitals and carebear in and they doubt they can find this on the BOB side of the fence any longer and do not have the nerve or belief in themselves to find it on their own.
Wow. Just wow. Even for a forum smack alt, there's no law prohibiting having actual points... -or just making sense. (Your quoting BOB's Dark Lord/Head spintress, now see if you can take some pointers from him as well.)
At the time this occured, Lower Catch was fallen/falling and CAOD was full of discussions about the impending colapse of IAC, and even the beginning of the end of the Coalition itself... Surely it would be much safer for us evil plotters, if we waited a little longer to see how that played out? No?
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IAC may lose space but that hardly means they will collapse considering how much space RA/GOON have gained (and im sure are willing to share) since the titan nerf.
But even if IAC are actualy losing sov/space instead of just giving it up (just how many outposts did you lose before bailing on your allies who were in mid battle?) i doubt they will decide after getting beaten to switch sides because then they would have to find a flimsy excuse to use as a drama bomb and thats already been done.
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jarack
The Illuminati. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.10.19 00:07:00 -
[1290]
welp
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Temerlyn
Minmatar STK Scientific M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.19 01:19:00 -
[1291]
Originally by: marakor
The 6bil isk was an excuse/drama bomb used by the leadership and carebear members of STK/MPIRE to switch to what they consider to be the winning side of the war. It has been on the cards since the titan nerf allowed blobbing to be successful subsequently allowing goon/allies to push BOB back.
I keep seeing this or a version of this comment but no where near the truth. But one side says something and the other one says soemthing and neither can be proved. Best thing is we know the truth and have a good ole chuckle when other think they know the truth and profess to explain it.
Originally by: marakor
There are plenty of areas in eve for an alliance of STK/MPIRES size to go had they chosen to officialy reset standings to BOB but they have instead chosen to ally/hide behind RA/GOON. Couple this with the surrender in BKG that was done without losing a single of the six outposts and without informing or consulting their allies who were actualy in battle at the time shows an alliance leadership that due to RA/GOONS big push decided to switch sides.
Bloody hell, i see this comment so many times. There is no where to go. Some one offers us a pretty sweet deal and we have to say no out of pride? This game is about corporations and capitolism and only an idiot would pay 6 bil a month.
Its not overly the 6 bil a month at all. Its the attitude that came with it. Better BoB diplomats might of recognized us as some what worth having around and aproached with. "To rat/mine in bob space it costs 6 bil a month for the alliance. We know who you guys are and you want to fight on the front line so we could work soemthing out to omit that 6 bil and make everyone happy."
but instead...
"Get out, get the **** out. Pay up beutches ad infinum..."
Changing sides was a snap decision despite what people profess.
Originally by: marakor
I believe this is because the loudest voices in STK/MPIRE are those who wish a nice bit of defended/safe space to build their super capitals and carebear in and they doubt they can find this on the BOB side of the fence any longer and do not have the nerve or belief in themselves to find it on their own.
Capitals are built in empire with alts we dont need 0.0 space to build them. We cant build anything bigger than dreads/carriers sicne we were corp thefted of 60bil in equipment.
Maybe had some ****** not stole our crap we wouldn't be in the predicament and have a need to own 0.0 to make isk.
Yes we need some place to make isk without it your war machine halts. Paying 6 bil a month means we spend a week out of the month earning isk just to pay bob, then another week to isk the players up so they can fight, then 2 weeks of fighting. Remove the 6 bil price tag and we have combat for 3 weeks. Simple logic (numbers are just an example of)
I dont even know why i bother, except some one said lets get to 50 pages. So here is my contribution.
As for you marakor why do you even care? Your obviously a BoB alt. The way you go about seems to think Mpire was liked by BoB and you think we made the wrong decision. Ahh but of course, its a desire to split us up and win a moral victory. Also perhaps its a way to make it apear that BoB is the shining beacon that is all good and just in eve.
Eitehr way i am sure you will repost to my post and spread more lies.
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Alias11
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.19 02:07:00 -
[1292]
Originally by: Avon
Originally by: Boonaki You guys should be able to do an easy 6 bil per month per corp damage to BoB. I think it was a rather large mistake on BoB's part.
Was there any negotiating? or was it like 6 bil or go back to em.pire?
Since it is an old timer like you Boonaki, I'll answer.
The 6bil/month deal was a rental offer for space. It had nothing to do with being allowed to fight with MC and BoB, or maintaining standings, or anything like that.
It wasn't a demand, "pay up or die", or anything like that, just a simple business offer.
They could have easily made their own alternative arrangements, or accepted MC's offer of a free staging point, but instead they rushed to CAOD and announced their defection, claiming that BoB was demanding 6bil per corp to continue fighting ... almost as if it was a cover story .. Whilst untrue, this disinformation was warmly accepted by the coalition, because it is what they wanted to hear. It made good ammunition to use against other "pets", ie: BoB will make you pay or turn on you; and: you can say no to paying rent too!; rather than the more honest message: You too can betray your allies, join the bad guys, lie about your reasons, and then be treated like heroes!
But, whatever. In all honesty I am happier with STK on the other side, and some people in the m.pire leadership also; but I do feel for a lot of the members of the alliance. It is clear from their posts in this thread that they haven't all been told the same story, and I think they probably deserved better than that.
I know the leaders of that alliance have to do what they think is best for their membership, what's left of it, but I am not sure what they thought was best actually was. Even if switching sides was the only way to survive, I feel that the way they went about it did more harm to them than good.
I hope they survive, and I hope they prosper, and I truely hope they bring it. Unfortunately I am not convinced.
You sound like a used car salesman.
I'm certain you guys were amicable in the discussions, though, given that you have a reputation for being easy to deal with and open to new ideas, as well as a double helping of humility and tact
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Yggdrassill Yeltsin
The Greater Goon GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.19 02:38:00 -
[1293]
Edited by: Yggdrassill Yeltsin on 19/10/2007 02:42:00
Originally by: Avon
Originally by: Boonaki You guys should be able to do an easy 6 bil per month per corp damage to BoB. I think it was a rather large mistake on BoB's part.
Was there any negotiating? or was it like 6 bil or go back to em.pire?
Since it is an old timer like you Boonaki, I'll answer.
The 6bil/month deal was a rental offer for space. It had nothing to do with being allowed to fight with MC and BoB, or maintaining standings, or anything like that.
It wasn't a demand, "pay up or die", or anything like that, just a simple business offer.
They could have easily made their own alternative arrangements, or accepted MC's offer of a free staging point, but instead they rushed to CAOD and announced their defection, claiming that BoB was demanding 6bil per corp to continue fighting ... almost as if it was a cover story .. Whilst untrue, this disinformation was warmly accepted by the coalition, because it is what they wanted to hear. It made good ammunition to use against other "pets", ie: BoB will make you pay or turn on you; and: you can say no to paying rent too!; rather than the more honest message: You too can betray your allies, join the bad guys, lie about your reasons, and then be treated like heroes!
Guys
Guys
It was perfectly reasonable for us to demand exorbitant sums of rent money in a time of severe need
Only whiny *****es who were going to desert us anyway would have a problem with paying rent for space at a time like this
It's not like what I just said summed up the whole reason they're upset perfectly or anything
God what unreasonable guys, not wanting to pay us 6 billion as we get our asses handed to us and abandon other "friends" and renters
It's not like they were our loyal friends who had held the line in the north for us and were looking to come help us down near our home space or anything
This was just a business transaction and they didn't warrant any extra consideration
God who wouldn't charge AT LEAST 6 billion isk if they were sitting pretty like us here in BoB
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Thanks - Hutch
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Cvuos
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.19 02:54:00 -
[1294]
Forum software is bugged, seems to think this has gone on for 45 pages. Furthermore, these events are nothing compared to what goons have achieved earlier. |
Wendat Huron
Stellar Solutions
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Posted - 2007.10.19 03:49:00 -
[1295]
What is the definition of a Threadnaught, 10 pages?
What may this be then, a Tritan?
These forums are FUBAR, upgrade this decade! |
Korah
Caldari Heavy Metal Mining and Manufacturing
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Posted - 2007.10.19 03:53:00 -
[1296]
Let me get this straight.
- M.Pire had the option of staging for free out of MC stations - had the option of renting space where BoB currently has sovereignity - they had the option of conquering a station from a worthless entity like KOS with support of BoB/MC, and not have to pay anything
Yet they chose none of them, and instead turned on bob, allied goons, get screwed by goons, and run to Fountain to live in npc stations.
Interesting.
Originally by: Avon Since it is an old timer like you Boonaki, I'll answer.
The 6bil/month deal was a rental offer for space. It had nothing to do with being allowed to fight with MC and BoB, or maintaining standings, or anything like that.
It wasn't a demand, "pay up or die", or anything like that, just a simple business offer.
They could have easily made their own alternative arrangements, or accepted MC's offer of a free staging point, but instead they rushed to CAOD and announced their defection, claiming that BoB was demanding 6bil per corp to continue fighting ... almost as if it was a cover story .. Whilst untrue, this disinformation was warmly accepted by the coalition, because it is what they wanted to hear. It made good ammunition to use against other "pets", ie: BoB will make you pay or turn on you; and: you can say no to paying rent too!; rather than the more honest message: You too can betray your allies, join the bad guys, lie about your reasons, and then be treated like heroes!
But, whatever. In all honesty I am happier with STK on the other side, and some people in the m.pire leadership also; but I do feel for a lot of the members of the alliance. It is clear from their posts in this thread that they haven't all been told the same story, and I think they probably deserved better than that.
I know the leaders of that alliance have to do what they think is best for their membership, what's left of it, but I am not sure what they thought was best actually was. Even if switching sides was the only way to survive, I feel that the way they went about it did more harm to them than good.
I hope they survive, and I hope they prosper, and I truely hope they bring it. Unfortunately I am not convinced.
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zilllii
Squirrel Power
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Posted - 2007.10.19 03:58:00 -
[1297]
Originally by: Wendat Huron What is the definition of a Threadnaught, 10 pages?
What may this be then, a Tritan?
wasnt there a Amarr thread that went to over 100pages?
gimme bigger letter count in my sig so it wont cut off everything damnit!!!! |
Eragrostis
M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.19 06:51:00 -
[1298]
Originally by: Korah get screwed by goons
That hasn't happened that I'm aware of, and if it did I'll be ****ed that I didn't get any of that action meself.
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Avon
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.10.19 08:37:00 -
[1299]
Originally by: Yggdrassill Yeltsin
Guys
Guys
It was perfectly reasonable for us to demand exorbitant sums of rent money in a time of severe need
Only whiny *****es who were going to desert us anyway would have a problem with paying rent for space at a time like this
It's not like what I just said summed up the whole reason they're upset perfectly or anything
God what unreasonable guys, not wanting to pay us 6 billion as we get our asses handed to us and abandon other "friends" and renters
It's not like they were our loyal friends who had held the line in the north for us and were looking to come help us down near our home space or anything
This was just a business transaction and they didn't warrant any extra consideration
God who wouldn't charge AT LEAST 6 billion isk if they were sitting pretty like us here in BoB
That would have been a reasonable point if were not for the fact, as already stated by them in this thread, that they were not our friends or allies, but just kinda running parallel to us; that their friends and allies were MC, not BoB.
That would be the MC that tried to help them out, for free. That would be the MC that tried to mediate for them. That would be the MC that they turned their backs on, throwing their kind offer back in their face.
The very MC that were on TS waiting to talk to them when they posted this very thread.
They abandoned their allies, and tried to spin it as all BoB's fault in order to look good in the eyes of those they wanted to ally with. They had options, but they had already choosen to defect.
Fair enough, and pretty unsurprising considering STK's involvement - but why not just have the guts to say it, rather than playing out this rather meaningless charade?
Oh, wait .. guts .. Yup, I can see the stumbling block right there.
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
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Arl
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.19 09:04:00 -
[1300]
Anyone else detecting a hint of desperation in the recent BoB replies?
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Malachon Draco
eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.10.19 09:21:00 -
[1301]
Originally by: Avon
Originally by: Yggdrassill Yeltsin
Guys
Guys
It was perfectly reasonable for us to demand exorbitant sums of rent money in a time of severe need
Only whiny *****es who were going to desert us anyway would have a problem with paying rent for space at a time like this
It's not like what I just said summed up the whole reason they're upset perfectly or anything
God what unreasonable guys, not wanting to pay us 6 billion as we get our asses handed to us and abandon other "friends" and renters
It's not like they were our loyal friends who had held the line in the north for us and were looking to come help us down near our home space or anything
This was just a business transaction and they didn't warrant any extra consideration
God who wouldn't charge AT LEAST 6 billion isk if they were sitting pretty like us here in BoB
That would have been a reasonable point if were not for the fact, as already stated by them in this thread, that they were not our friends or allies, but just kinda running parallel to us; that their friends and allies were MC, not BoB.
That would be the MC that tried to help them out, for free. That would be the MC that tried to mediate for them. That would be the MC that they turned their backs on, throwing their kind offer back in their face.
The very MC that were on TS waiting to talk to them when they posted this very thread.
They abandoned their allies, and tried to spin it as all BoB's fault in order to look good in the eyes of those they wanted to ally with. They had options, but they had already choosen to defect.
Fair enough, and pretty unsurprising considering STK's involvement - but why not just have the guts to say it, rather than playing out this rather meaningless charade?
Oh, wait .. guts .. Yup, I can see the stumbling block right there.
If I were Alice Cholmondolay and you were a member of the Coalition, this would be a post about your tears.
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Huff and Puff
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Posted - 2007.10.19 09:24:00 -
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Originally by: Arl Anyone else detecting a hint of desperation in the recent BoB replies?
yup
they do their best to not make it look lik they were to blame but they know they are
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Avon
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.10.19 09:36:00 -
[1303]
Originally by: Malachon Draco If I were Alice Cholmondolay and you were a member of the Coalition, this would be a post about your tears.
I'm not exactly sure where the tears are there, what is it you think I am crying about?
That BoB has been made out to be an evil demon? Heh, I love that stuff - we like to be the bad guys, you know that.
I just post the information and let the discerning reader formulate their own opinions, much like you used to.
Some people are interested in hearing both sides, and others are not. My posts are aimed at those who like to employ reason and logic, rather than sticking to a fundamentalist dogma - but whatever floats your boat, seriously.
There was a time when open debate was encouraged here, and I like that, so I keep doing it. I may be one of the last posters here that thinks like that, but that isn't going to stop me trying to keep the flame alive.
There was a time when you did the same.
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
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Grimpak
Gallente Trinity Nova KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.19 09:39:00 -
[1304]
Originally by: Malachon Draco If I were Alice Cholmondolay and you were a member of the Coalition, this would be a post about your tears.
ow.
I felt that burn even here.
and Avon, sorry, but right or wrong, all that you are saying atm does look like damage control. ---
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Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.10.19 09:46:00 -
[1305]
Originally by: Grimpak
and Avon, sorry, but right or wrong, all that you are saying atm does look like damage control.
Yeah, people keep saying that. I guess it is easier to make that claim than to, like, actually make a counter arguement?
If, let us suppose, all my posts are factually accurate, how could it be damage control? Suddenly the truth is spin if it isn't the fiction that people want to believe?
Quick, to the Flat Earth Society sign up page!
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
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Nekumi
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.19 10:08:00 -
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I'm glad you are posting a little more frequently on here Avon.
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Arl
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.19 10:11:00 -
[1307]
Originally by: Avon
Oh, wait .. guts .. Yup, I can see the stumbling block right there.
You need a strong stomach to rent space from BoB, c/d?
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Malachon Draco
eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.10.19 10:18:00 -
[1308]
Originally by: Avon
Originally by: Malachon Draco If I were Alice Cholmondolay and you were a member of the Coalition, this would be a post about your tears.
I'm not exactly sure where the tears are there, what is it you think I am crying about?
That BoB has been made out to be an evil demon? Heh, I love that stuff - we like to be the bad guys, you know that.
I just post the information and let the discerning reader formulate their own opinions, much like you used to. I would still argue though that the COAD you see here today is mostly of your own making (your as in BoB, not you personally).
Some people are interested in hearing both sides, and others are not. My posts are aimed at those who like to employ reason and logic, rather than sticking to a fundamentalist dogma - but whatever floats your boat, seriously.
There was a time when open debate was encouraged here, and I like that, so I keep doing it. I may be one of the last posters here that thinks like that, but that isn't going to stop me trying to keep the flame alive.
There was a time when you did the same.
Maybe you're right and this was a bit of a cheap shot. Sorry about that.
You were the masters of spin for quite a long time, and people simply decided not to let you get away with that anymore.
As for the MPire thing, it might be 'spin' on their side, I don't have the information to decide that. However I can say that to me that doesn't make sense. While your assumptions about STK are understandable, I've never seen them as rabidly anti-BoB, also not in the period they were in Invictus. Furthermore, and even more importantly, MPire is not led by STK. It's led by a former LV corp, who could hardly be considered 'Pro-Goon' in any way, shape or form.
Finally, you seem to ignore any possibility that your own diplomats may not have been the most 'diplomatic' people, despite numerous references to that by M.Pire. While I might be able to sympathize with their feelings (note to self, don't call people ******* maggots to their face during diplomatic talks), that does not mean that its smart to do so. So generally, in my view all you are doing is keep repeating your own points while ignoring several of MPire's points.
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Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.10.19 10:40:00 -
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Yes yes old story, stop trying to get more forum attention and just come and engage us already. He did this, they did that, blah blah blah, you lot sound like freaking school kids. Just get on with it and stop ***** footing around.
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Avon
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.10.19 10:41:00 -
[1310]
Edited by: Avon on 19/10/2007 10:42:58
Originally by: Malachon Draco Finally, you seem to ignore any possibility that your own diplomats may not have been the most 'diplomatic' people, despite numerous references to that by M.Pire.
Heh, I never commented on it actually - not by design, however. M.Pire were treading on BoB's toes, and worse, trying to cut in to our arrogance monopoly! I wouldn't be surprised in the least if our diplomats were less than diplomatic.
However, BoB's offer (which they didn't have to make at all), was not the only allied offer on the table - it was just an alternative option extended to them.
I am genuinely curious as to why they shunned MC's offer, and refused to even talk with them on TS (posting here instead), and didn't even mention it when explaining the situation. Why did M.Pire feel that abandoning their allies in the North should entitle them to space which other people either stand and fight for, or pay to use? They are the first to claim that they were fighting with MC, not BoB, and yet BoB, not MC, should support them when they fail? And when they don't, they are somehow disrespecting them?
And what ever happened to all the indignation shown towards those alliances which can't take and hold their own space? I thought they didn't deserve to be in 0.0? Isn't that the claim which the coalition level at BoB "pets"? The whole situation is a marvel of coalition hypocrisy, both about "Pets" and e-honour & e-respect; and I love it.
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Avon
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.10.19 10:42:00 -
[1311]
Originally by: CLEISTHENES2 Yes yes old story, stop trying to get more forum attention and just come and engage us already. He did this, they did that, blah blah blah, you lot sound like freaking school kids. Just get on with it and stop ***** footing around.
I'm at work Cleis, this is the only PvP I can get
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
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DT3
The Huns
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Posted - 2007.10.19 10:44:00 -
[1312]
Originally by: Avon Edited by: Avon on 19/10/2007 10:42:58
Originally by: Malachon Draco Finally, you seem to ignore any possibility that your own diplomats may not have been the most 'diplomatic' people, despite numerous references to that by M.Pire.
Heh, I never commented on it actually - not by design, however. M.Pire were treading on BoB's toes, and worse, trying to cut in to our arrogance monopoly! I wouldn't be surprised in the least if our diplomats were less than diplomatic.
However, BoB's offer (which they didn't have to make at all), was not the only allied offer on the table - it was just an alternative option extended to them.
I am genuinely curious as to why they shunned MC's offer, and refused to even talk with them on TS (posting here instead), and didn't even mention it when explaining the situation. Why did M.Pire feel that abandoning their allies in the North should entitle them to space which other people either stand and fight for, or pay to use? They are the first to claim that they were fighting with MC, not BoB, and yet BoB, not MC, should support them when they fail? And when they don't, they are somehow disrespecting them?
And what ever happened to all the indignation shown towards those alliances which can't take and hold their own space? I thought they didn't deserve to be in 0.0? Isn't that the claim which the coalition level at BoB "pets"? The whole situation is a marvel of coalition hypocrisy, both about "Pets" and e-honour & e-respect; and I love it.
Could that same analogy not be applied to BoB not being able to hold space without MC? This includes loosing Feyth?
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Malachon Draco
eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.10.19 10:53:00 -
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Originally by: Avon I am genuinely curious as to why they shunned MC's offer, and refused to even talk with them on TS (posting here instead), and didn't even mention it when explaining the situation. Why did M.Pire feel that abandoning their allies in the North should entitle them to space which other people either stand and fight for, or pay to use? They are the first to claim that they were fighting with MC, not BoB, and yet BoB, not MC, should support them when they fail? And when they don't, they are somehow disrespecting them?
And what ever happened to all the indignation shown towards those alliances which can't take and hold their own space? I thought they didn't deserve to be in 0.0? Isn't that the claim which the coalition level at BoB "pets"? The whole situation is a marvel of coalition hypocrisy, both about "Pets" and e-honour & e-respect; and I love it.
Well, I think most people outside of MC and maybe BoB think that BoB = MC. Or that since MC were in BoBs employment, it was in the end BoB calling the shots on what would happen.
As for not being able to take/hold 0.0 space, let's be honest. A year or so ago, taking an area for yourself was pretty well possible, but with the current polarization it is pretty much impossible for any alliance to take space on their own. ------------------------------------------------
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marakor
Gallente Anti Lag Forum Smackers
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Posted - 2007.10.19 10:53:00 -
[1314]
Originally by: Avon
Originally by: Malachon Draco Finally, you seem to ignore any possibility that your own diplomats may not have been the most 'diplomatic' people, despite numerous references to that by M.Pire.
Heh, I never commented on it actually - not by design, however. M.Pire were treading on BoB's toes, and worse, trying to cut in to our arrogance monopoly! I wouldn't be surprised in the least if our diplomats were less than diplomatic.
However, BoB's offer (which they didn't have to make at all), was not the only allied offer on the table - it was just an alternative option extended to them.
I am genuinely curious as to why they shunned MC's offer, and refused to even talk with them on TS (posting here instead), and didn't even mention it when explaining the situation. Why did M.Pire feel that abandoning their allies in the North should entitle them to space which other people either stand and fight for, or pay to use? They are the first to claim that they were fighting with MC, not BoB, and yet BoB, not MC, should support them when they fail? And when they don't, they are somehow disrespecting them?
And what ever happened to all the indignation shown towards those alliances which can't take and hold their own space? I thought they didn't deserve to be in 0.0? Isn't that the claim which the coalition level at BoB "pets"? The whole situation is a marvel of coalition hipocrisy, both about "Pets" and e-honour & e-respect; and I love it.
Considering your current position id say your alliance should show a little more diplomatic skill and less ego. Giving the anti-BOB propaganda boys and girls in STK/MPIRE a chance to blow your standard carebear rental offer out of proportion and claim 6 bil a second per player plus alts (see its easy) was stupid. Especialy considering the very same ppl had just undermined the war effort in BKG and quite obviously caused the cascade of utter failure that was the new north coalition (FATAL had its share of tossers who helped with that particular fiasco as well).
In short i suggest you get your tape measure out cos it aint as big as it used to be pal.
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Malachon Draco
eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.10.19 10:59:00 -
[1315]
Originally by: Avon
However, BoB's offer (which they didn't have to make at all), was not the only allied offer on the table - it was just an alternative option extended to them.
Maybe this is the critical point. Are you sure that M.Pire was aware that this was just an alternative to living with MC?
Of course you also might want to consider that the offering of the option in itself could be construed as a pretty grave insult. ------------------------------------------------
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Avon
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.10.19 11:01:00 -
[1316]
Originally by: Malachon Draco
Well, I think most people outside of MC and maybe BoB think that BoB = MC.
By which logic then, BoB actually did offer M.Pire free space? I'm confused.
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
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Grimpak
Gallente Trinity Nova KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.19 11:03:00 -
[1317]
Edited by: Grimpak on 19/10/2007 11:09:15
Originally by: Avon
Originally by: Grimpak
and Avon, sorry, but right or wrong, all that you are saying atm does look like damage control.
Yeah, people keep saying that. I guess it is easier to make that claim than to, like, actually make a counter arguement?
If, let us suppose, all my posts are factually accurate, how could it be damage control? Suddenly the truth is spin if it isn't the fiction that people want to believe?
Quick, to the Flat Earth Society sign up page!
human nature. what can we do? People got saturated from the BoB's arrogant stances towards the rest of EVE, and now they kinda diss all that any BoB member posts from the start, simply because they started to simply loathe you people. Even if you post factual, accurate and totally unspinned truth, people could care less. They hate you, and they stopped caring about what you say long ago.
EDIT:
Originally by: Malachon Draco Of course you also might want to consider that the offering of the option in itself could be construed as a pretty grave insult.
and, tbh, that is what I think this is all about.
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Malachon Draco
eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.10.19 11:07:00 -
[1318]
Originally by: Avon
Originally by: Malachon Draco
Well, I think most people outside of MC and maybe BoB think that BoB = MC.
By which logic then, BoB actually did offer M.Pire free space? I'm confused.
or by which logic, BoB offering of a constellation for 6b superceded any previous offer by MC, accentuated by the fact they were already locked out of the FAT/25s stations.
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Gungankllr
Caldari STK Scientific M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.19 11:08:00 -
[1319]
While I'm waiting for the moderators to lock this like I asked 3-4 days ago I'll take a moment to respond to Avon.
We've already explained what happened throughout this thread several times.
The following is MY view of events, and my opinions, so if you can bear it please consider them not the official view of my corporation of alliance.
After we got kicked out of branch, we wanted to come south to fight with you guys and MC, because we figured that you guys were pretty much the only allies we had other than a couple of northern alliances.
I don't know what level of management in BoB you hold Avon, but I would hope that they gave you a sense of logistics in warfare since you've been there for a while now.
In any conflict unless your members have a self-sustaining wallet, they need someplace to get off the lines to make isk and replace ships otherwise they go broke and people stop showing up.
That's pretty much standard across eve, I think we can agree on that.
So anyhow, I was talking to Seleene and a couple of the directors in MC about getting an office down south near the combat zone someplace so I could get my guys working on replenishing their wallets before jumping back into a big war.
The branch fight left a lot of our guys broke, because they were out there on the lines fighting and not making isk to replace their losses, so as a result many of them had less than double digit million isk in their wallets.
Seleene said he was going to try and free us up an office in (H74??) and I said super, it's close enough to the lines for us to be of help.
A couple of days go by, and while we haven't heard anything from Seleene I ask one of my guys to go look around for an empty office somewhere in an allied station.
He finds empty office slots in FWST, which is only 10 jumps from the front lines in Delve.
We're blue, we're allies, so we tell him to go ahead and rent it so at least we have a logistics jump off point to fight from while we are waiting for an office in H74 to open up.
Anyhow, we start moving people South from empire to get into the fight, and about that time I guess somebody shot an NPC without permission from BoB. Onoes.
I was at work for the next few days, but apparently STK is some uber evil corporation for shooting an NPC without permission after pulling out of a war that cost us just about everything to fight against the allies of our enemies.
At the same time, FAT fell and BoB makes some grandiose post about it, but as far as I can tell they hadn't been involved in the actual work for it until the end? (Correct me if I'm wrong)
So anyhow, I get to my days off from work and I log back in and hear that BoB removed docking rights, and wanted to charge us 6 bill / isk / month / corp.
Maybe there was a miscommunication somewhere but that was the number I was told. Anyhow, nobody in M.Pire could believe that BoB wanted to charge us anything to come south and fight against their enemies. We weren't coming there to rat in some corner thinking only of ourselves, we were ramping up to go right into the teeth of BoB's and MC's enemies.
Anyhow, about this time we were so ****ed off we started looking at the offers that had been coming in over the past week.
BoB and MC found out that we had been talking to Goons, and then all of a sudden they wanted to work things out (at least MC did, I never talked personally to anyone in BoB)
The day (emo wednesday) we were supposed to have the TS meeting we had a paradigm shift in our thinking as to our relationship with BoB.
They didn't think of us as true allies or friends, so why should we bother with them anymore? I have nothing but absolute respect for MC, but 95% of Eve seens MC = BoB, and we wanted to distance ourselves from that for now.
We are doing our own thing now, we're not fighting for anybody but ourselves.
Again, MY point of view. Velios had other reasons, but those are mine.
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marakor
Gallente Anti Lag Forum Smackers
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Posted - 2007.10.19 11:14:00 -
[1320]
Edited by: marakor on 19/10/2007 11:16:12
Originally by: Malachon Draco
Originally by: Avon
However, BoB's offer (which they didn't have to make at all), was not the only allied offer on the table - it was just an alternative option extended to them.
Maybe this is the critical point. Are you sure that M.Pire was aware that this was just an alternative to living with MC?
Of course you also might want to consider that the offering of the option in itself could be construed as a pretty grave insult.
Ask yourself this bud.
A alliance that was on your side had just bailed on its coalition without informing them in fact while these said allies were actualy in battle in system and as such costing six outposts without actualy losing a single one in battle.
How much value would you put on said alliance and membership other than a bit of income?. They could hardly be depended on to hold the line or even trusted to not negtiate a separate peace behind your backs if things looked to be even slightly difficult.
GOON may value such members but i think that most would consider them a liability and a flaw that could widen over time and spread into your own ranks instead of a benifit. Id say that this is the most inportant point ppl seem to be missing in all this.
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Tholarim
Amarr Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.10.19 11:14:00 -
[1321]
Originally by: Malachon Draco Finally, you seem to ignore any possibility that your own diplomats may not have been the most 'diplomatic' people, despite numerous references to that by M.Pire.
I keep hearing this, dunno where people got this from but the convo between me and tomcatt was quite curtious:
[ 2007.10.07 20:44:40 ] Tomcatt > lo [ 2007.10.07 20:45:13 ] Tomcatt > Just logged in; what's going on? [ 2007.10.07 20:45:13 ] Tholarim > it looks like you guys are setting up in fwst [ 2007.10.07 20:45:21 ] Tholarim > since there's 15 of you there [ 2007.10.07 20:45:25 ] Tomcatt > Yes. [ 2007.10.07 20:45:39 ] Tomcatt > it's a good spot; 10j from 49-; 10 from FAT [ 2007.10.07 20:45:43 ] Tholarim > the regular bob frules for our allies is that delve is bob only [ 2007.10.07 20:45:47 ] Tomcatt > & we don't have to run the 0.0 choke daily. [ 2007.10.07 20:45:51 ] Tholarim > you can travel trough [ 2007.10.07 20:45:55 ] Tholarim > but apart from that [ 2007.10.07 20:46:01 ] Tholarim > delve is for bob cops only [ 2007.10.07 20:46:03 ] Tomcatt > There's a ton of hostiles to you that have offices in here. [ 2007.10.07 20:46:10 ] Tholarim > for npcfng/minign etc purposes [ 2007.10.07 20:46:16 ] Tholarim > the other regions are for allies [ 2007.10.07 20:46:24 ] Tholarim > i.e. period basis, querious, fountain etc [ 2007.10.07 20:46:30 ] Tholarim > ofc [ 2007.10.07 20:46:45 ] Tholarim > but having an office there and living there is a different thing [ 2007.10.07 20:46:47 ] Tomcatt > There are no offices in Querious right now; thats why we are here; just until we can move further east. [ 2007.10.07 20:46:55 ] Tomcatt > Fountain is too far from the action [ 2007.10.07 20:47:00 ] Tholarim > well [ 2007.10.07 20:47:05 ] Tholarim > where do you need an office [ 2007.10.07 20:47:09 ] Tomcatt > We're not here to 'live'; just base out of until we can move further east. [ 2007.10.07 20:47:12 ] Tholarim > and we'll see if we can free one up [ 2007.10.07 20:47:24 ] Tomcatt > You tell me; where in Querious can we work out of? [ 2007.10.07 20:47:34 ] Tholarim > erm [ 2007.10.07 20:47:35 ] Tholarim > 3bk [ 2007.10.07 20:47:37 ] Tholarim > 9cg [ 2007.10.07 20:47:39 ] Tomcatt > We don't want to have to run the 0.0 choke gauntlet every day [ 2007.10.07 20:48:33 ] Tomcatt > & FWST - well lets just say I'm familiar w/ the area; I'm the one that opened the Trade Consortium office here back in the day... [ 2007.10.07 20:49:14 ] Tholarim > well [ 2007.10.07 20:49:19 ] Tomcatt > I have told my guys that are in here though to restrict themselves to the immediate area; no NPCing/Mining outside the immediate. [ 2007.10.07 20:49:36 ] Tholarim > your guys cannot npc/mine/run missions in delve [ 2007.10.07 20:49:46 ] Tomcatt > but if you can help us get space in Querious, etc... where they can do it & still be close enough to fight we'll be glad to move on. [ 2007.10.07 20:49:47 ] Tholarim > it's simply a general rule [ 2007.10.07 20:49:50 ] Tholarim > for every but bob [ 2007.10.07 20:49:54 ] Tholarim > if you want to npc [ 2007.10.07 20:49:57 ] Tholarim > go to period basis [ 2007.10.07 20:50:01 ] Tholarim > or querious [ 2007.10.07 20:50:03 ] Tholarim > or fountain [ 2007.10.07 20:50:05 ] Tholarim > or wherever [ 2007.10.07 20:50:25 ] Tomcatt > Thats not practical for us or you. You have hostiles already doing it here; we can help cut down on that while helping you on your offensives. [ 2007.10.07 20:50:45 ] Tholarim > it's not the point [ 2007.10.07 20:50:51 ] Tholarim > allowing you means we should allow every1 [ 2007.10.07 20:51:23 ] Tomcatt > It is the point though; we're here to help you and all we ask in return is access to 2-3 systems that are not very good true sec just to have a place to recover losses. [ 2007.10.07 20:51:41 ] Tomcatt > and if you can give us an office somewhere in Querious; we'll go no problem.
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DT3
The Huns
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Posted - 2007.10.19 11:15:00 -
[1322]
Originally by: Gungankllr stuff
You can email the mods. That will get their attention.
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Malachon Draco
eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.10.19 11:19:00 -
[1323]
Originally by: marakor Edited by: marakor on 19/10/2007 11:16:12
Originally by: Malachon Draco
Originally by: Avon
However, BoB's offer (which they didn't have to make at all), was not the only allied offer on the table - it was just an alternative option extended to them.
Maybe this is the critical point. Are you sure that M.Pire was aware that this was just an alternative to living with MC?
Of course you also might want to consider that the offering of the option in itself could be construed as a pretty grave insult.
Ask yourself this bud.
A alliance that was on your side had just bailed on its coalition without informing them in fact while these said allies were actualy in battle in system and as such costing six outposts without actualy losing a single one in battle.
How much value would you put on said alliance and membership other than a bit of income?. They could hardly be depended on to hold the line or even trusted to not negtiate a separate peace behind your backs if things looked to be even slightly difficult.
GOON may value such members but i think that most would consider them a liability and a flaw that could widen over time and spread into your own ranks instead of a benifit. Id say that this is the most inportant point ppl seem to be missing in all this.
If the attitude from BoB is like yours, and they considered M.Pire more a liability than an asset, surely they are happy to see them on the other side? More easy targets.
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Gungankllr
Caldari STK Scientific M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.19 11:20:00 -
[1324]
Originally by: DT3
Originally by: Gungankllr stuff
You can email the mods. That will get their attention.
I have.
Twice.
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Posted - 2007.10.19 11:22:00 -
[1325]
Originally by: marakor Edited by: marakor on 19/10/2007 11:16:12
Originally by: Malachon Draco
Originally by: Avon
However, BoB's offer (which they didn't have to make at all), was not the only allied offer on the table - it was just an alternative option extended to them.
Maybe this is the critical point. Are you sure that M.Pire was aware that this was just an alternative to living with MC?
Of course you also might want to consider that the offering of the option in itself could be construed as a pretty grave insult.
Ask yourself this bud.
A alliance that was on your side had just bailed on its coalition without informing them in fact while these said allies were actualy in battle in system and as such costing six outposts without actualy losing a single one in battle.
How much value would you put on said alliance and membership other than a bit of income?. They could hardly be depended on to hold the line or even trusted to not negtiate a separate peace behind your backs if things looked to be even slightly difficult.
GOON may value such members but i think that most would consider them a liability and a flaw that could widen over time and spread into your own ranks instead of a benifit. Id say that this is the most inportant point ppl seem to be missing in all this.
Best point so far i think.
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The Huns
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Posted - 2007.10.19 11:23:00 -
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Edited by: DT3 on 19/10/2007 11:24:57 Edited by: DT3 on 19/10/2007 11:23:22
Originally by: Tholarim Edited by: Tholarim on 19/10/2007 11:19:17 Continued from post 1377
To be honest, that sounds quite fair and respectful.
Go Thol!
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marakor
Gallente Anti Lag Forum Smackers
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Posted - 2007.10.19 11:24:00 -
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Originally by: Malachon Draco
Originally by: marakor Edited by: marakor on 19/10/2007 11:16:12
Originally by: Malachon Draco
Originally by: Avon
However, BoB's offer (which they didn't have to make at all), was not the only allied offer on the table - it was just an alternative option extended to them.
Maybe this is the critical point. Are you sure that M.Pire was aware that this was just an alternative to living with MC?
Of course you also might want to consider that the offering of the option in itself could be construed as a pretty grave insult.
Ask yourself this bud.
A alliance that was on your side had just bailed on its coalition without informing them in fact while these said allies were actualy in battle in system and as such costing six outposts without actualy losing a single one in battle.
How much value would you put on said alliance and membership other than a bit of income?. They could hardly be depended on to hold the line or even trusted to not negtiate a separate peace behind your backs if things looked to be even slightly difficult.
GOON may value such members but i think that most would consider them a liability and a flaw that could widen over time and spread into your own ranks instead of a benifit. Id say that this is the most inportant point ppl seem to be missing in all this.
If the attitude from BoB is like yours, and they considered M.Pire more a liability than an asset, surely they are happy to see them on the other side? More easy targets.
Perhaps they did and considered them only worth a bit of profit but the fact is you did not answer the question or do you dispute my facts?.
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Matty Walker
Body Heat LLP
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Posted - 2007.10.19 11:29:00 -
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Here's Gungankllr explaining the effect of the war in the north on his corp:
Originally by: Gungankllr The branch fight left a lot of our guys broke, because they were out there on the lines fighting and not making isk to replace their losses, so as a result many of them had less than double digit million isk in their wallets.
Here's Avon, explaining how the war looked to him from his lofty vantage point:
Originally by: Avon M.Pire: ... we kinda just abandoned it and ran away.
Not looking like BoB has a lot of respect for M.Pire. For whatever that's really worth.
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Malachon Draco
eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.10.19 11:29:00 -
[1329]
Originally by: Tholarim
Originally by: Malachon Draco Finally, you seem to ignore any possibility that your own diplomats may not have been the most 'diplomatic' people, despite numerous references to that by M.Pire.
I keep hearing this, dunno where people got this from but the convo between me and tomcatt was quite curtious:
Polite, yes. Friendly, no.
I know there are a lot of different ways to look at this, and I can see BoB's POV, sitting in the south and watching from afar what happened up north.
But if you look at the way M.Pire looks at what happened up north is this I think: - MC gets the order/assignment to take on D2+allies. - They go up north, and M.Pire joins them to assist and keep some space afterwards. - Mission succesful, D2 destroyed. - MC goes south again, leaving M.Pire and a few others up north to 'hold the fort' while the GBC fights the Coalition in the South. - For a while it goes reasonably well, direct assaults are defeated. - Continuous heavy fighting for months, but M.Pire holds down the fort for the GBC. No Cavalry comes to assist them from the south, but so far they're managing. - Then MM/Razor devise a new strategy, which forces M.Pire into a completely defensive position. M.Pire tries to hold on, against heavy odds in numbers. - Finally, MM/Razor score a 'flawless victory' during a weekend where they accomplish a total 23/7 lockdown of the M.Pire capital. M.Pire's position is completely overrun. - So M.Pire leave as the situation is untenable and no help is forthcoming for the forseeable future. - Arriving in the South, M.Pire wants to continue to fight and hopes to find some appreciation for the hardship they went through, in their minds on behalf of GBC. - Instead of that they get a cold shoulder from the big boss, and get treated like any two-bit moneygrubbing carebear alliance who takes its first steps into 0.0 would.
Looking from that POV, I think its clear why it would cause resentment the way you treated them. ------------------------------------------------
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Malachon Draco
eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.10.19 11:33:00 -
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Originally by: marakor
Originally by: Malachon Draco
Originally by: marakor Edited by: marakor on 19/10/2007 11:16:12
Originally by: Malachon Draco
Originally by: Avon
However, BoB's offer (which they didn't have to make at all), was not the only allied offer on the table - it was just an alternative option extended to them.
Maybe this is the critical point. Are you sure that M.Pire was aware that this was just an alternative to living with MC?
Of course you also might want to consider that the offering of the option in itself could be construed as a pretty grave insult.
Ask yourself this bud.
A alliance that was on your side had just bailed on its coalition without informing them in fact while these said allies were actualy in battle in system and as such costing six outposts without actualy losing a single one in battle.
How much value would you put on said alliance and membership other than a bit of income?. They could hardly be depended on to hold the line or even trusted to not negtiate a separate peace behind your backs if things looked to be even slightly difficult.
GOON may value such members but i think that most would consider them a liability and a flaw that could widen over time and spread into your own ranks instead of a benifit. Id say that this is the most inportant point ppl seem to be missing in all this.
If the attitude from BoB is like yours, and they considered M.Pire more a liability than an asset, surely they are happy to see them on the other side? More easy targets.
Perhaps they did and considered them only worth a bit of profit but the fact is you did not answer the question or do you dispute my facts?.
I was not there in the final weeks of the fight between M.Pire and the Northern Coalition forces. But from what I hear, there was nothing left to defend. BKG was completely overrun, and with it, the strongest defended position that M.Pire/the new North had.
But I can't comment on your facts, since I have no exact knowledge of what happened. I can imagine that what you call 'the facts' are what BoB perceives to be true, while I also think that M.Pire has a completely different view of 'the facts'. I'm not even sure 'the facts' even exist in this case.
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Tholarim
Amarr Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.10.19 11:35:00 -
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Edited by: Tholarim on 19/10/2007 11:36:09
Originally by: Malachon Draco
Originally by: Tholarim
Originally by: Malachon Draco Finally, you seem to ignore any possibility that your own diplomats may not have been the most 'diplomatic' people, despite numerous references to that by M.Pire.
I keep hearing this, dunno where people got this from but the convo between me and tomcatt was quite curtious:
Polite, yes. Friendly, no.
I know there are a lot of different ways to look at this, and I can see BoB's POV, sitting in the south and watching from afar what happened up north.
But if you look at the way M.Pire looks at what happened up north is this I think: - MC gets the order/assignment to take on D2+allies. - They go up north, and M.Pire joins them to assist and keep some space afterwards. - Mission succesful, D2 destroyed. - MC goes south again, leaving M.Pire and a few others up north to 'hold the fort' while the GBC fights the Coalition in the South. - For a while it goes reasonably well, direct assaults are defeated. - Continuous heavy fighting for months, but M.Pire holds down the fort for the GBC. No Cavalry comes to assist them from the south, but so far they're managing. - Then MM/Razor devise a new strategy, which forces M.Pire into a completely defensive position. M.Pire tries to hold on, against heavy odds in numbers. - Finally, MM/Razor score a 'flawless victory' during a weekend where they accomplish a total 23/7 lockdown of the M.Pire capital. M.Pire's position is completely overrun. - So M.Pire leave as the situation is untenable and no help is forthcoming for the forseeable future. - Arriving in the South, M.Pire wants to continue to fight and hopes to find some appreciation for the hardship they went through, in their minds on behalf of GBC. - Instead of that they get a cold shoulder from the big boss, and get treated like any two-bit moneygrubbing carebear alliance who takes its first steps into 0.0 would.
Looking from that POV, I think its clear why it would cause resentment the way you treated them.
I'd like to point out that since the creation of mpire there had been no direct contact between mpire leadership and bob leadership whatsoever. So when the first you hear of em is when they show up in delve, that convo was quite respectfull. Definitly not like tomcatt said that i was yelling at him. But malachon, you were stating we weren't dipliomatic, please point out to us where that was then? *snip* Signature unsuitable for forums. Please refrain from refering to ongoing investigations in your signature - Valorem |
Malachon Draco
eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.10.19 11:42:00 -
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Originally by: Tholarim Edited by: Tholarim on 19/10/2007 11:36:09
Originally by: Malachon Draco
Originally by: Tholarim
Originally by: Malachon Draco Finally, you seem to ignore any possibility that your own diplomats may not have been the most 'diplomatic' people, despite numerous references to that by M.Pire.
I keep hearing this, dunno where people got this from but the convo between me and tomcatt was quite curtious:
Polite, yes. Friendly, no.
I know there are a lot of different ways to look at this, and I can see BoB's POV, sitting in the south and watching from afar what happened up north.
But if you look at the way M.Pire looks at what happened up north is this I think: - MC gets the order/assignment to take on D2+allies. - They go up north, and M.Pire joins them to assist and keep some space afterwards. - Mission succesful, D2 destroyed. - MC goes south again, leaving M.Pire and a few others up north to 'hold the fort' while the GBC fights the Coalition in the South. - For a while it goes reasonably well, direct assaults are defeated. - Continuous heavy fighting for months, but M.Pire holds down the fort for the GBC. No Cavalry comes to assist them from the south, but so far they're managing. - Then MM/Razor devise a new strategy, which forces M.Pire into a completely defensive position. M.Pire tries to hold on, against heavy odds in numbers. - Finally, MM/Razor score a 'flawless victory' during a weekend where they accomplish a total 23/7 lockdown of the M.Pire capital. M.Pire's position is completely overrun. - So M.Pire leave as the situation is untenable and no help is forthcoming for the forseeable future. - Arriving in the South, M.Pire wants to continue to fight and hopes to find some appreciation for the hardship they went through, in their minds on behalf of GBC. - Instead of that they get a cold shoulder from the big boss, and get treated like any two-bit moneygrubbing carebear alliance who takes its first steps into 0.0 would.
Looking from that POV, I think its clear why it would cause resentment the way you treated them.
I'd like to point out that since the creation of mpire there had been no direct contact between mpire leadership and bob leadership whatsoever. So when the first you hear of em is when they show up in delve, that convo was quite respectfull. Definitly not like tomcatt said that i was yelling at him. But malachon, you were stating we weren't dipliomatic, please point out to us where that was then?
I am not sure this was one of the conversations M.Pire was alluding to when they got upset.
However, if we look at this statement: [ 2007.10.07 20:50:51 ] Tholarim > allowing you means we should allow every1
Would it be fair to say that this could/should be construed as saying:"M.Pire means nothing more to us than any beginner alliance from Empire. If 300 carebears from Empire want to rent a constellation they pay 6bn a month, so you will do the same".
I could see how that could be construed as undiplomatic. Maybe not in your mind, but certainly in theirs. ------------------------------------------------
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Tholarim
Amarr Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.10.19 11:47:00 -
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Originally by: Malachon Draco
Originally by: Tholarim Edited by: Tholarim on 19/10/2007 11:36:09
Originally by: Malachon Draco
Originally by: Tholarim
Originally by: Malachon Draco Finally, you seem to ignore any possibility that your own diplomats may not have been the most 'diplomatic' people, despite numerous references to that by M.Pire.
I keep hearing this, dunno where people got this from but the convo between me and tomcatt was quite curtious:
Polite, yes. Friendly, no.
I know there are a lot of different ways to look at this, and I can see BoB's POV, sitting in the south and watching from afar what happened up north.
But if you look at the way M.Pire looks at what happened up north is this I think: - MC gets the order/assignment to take on D2+allies. - They go up north, and M.Pire joins them to assist and keep some space afterwards. - Mission succesful, D2 destroyed. - MC goes south again, leaving M.Pire and a few others up north to 'hold the fort' while the GBC fights the Coalition in the South. - For a while it goes reasonably well, direct assaults are defeated. - Continuous heavy fighting for months, but M.Pire holds down the fort for the GBC. No Cavalry comes to assist them from the south, but so far they're managing. - Then MM/Razor devise a new strategy, which forces M.Pire into a completely defensive position. M.Pire tries to hold on, against heavy odds in numbers. - Finally, MM/Razor score a 'flawless victory' during a weekend where they accomplish a total 23/7 lockdown of the M.Pire capital. M.Pire's position is completely overrun. - So M.Pire leave as the situation is untenable and no help is forthcoming for the forseeable future. - Arriving in the South, M.Pire wants to continue to fight and hopes to find some appreciation for the hardship they went through, in their minds on behalf of GBC. - Instead of that they get a cold shoulder from the big boss, and get treated like any two-bit moneygrubbing carebear alliance who takes its first steps into 0.0 would.
Looking from that POV, I think its clear why it would cause resentment the way you treated them.
I'd like to point out that since the creation of mpire there had been no direct contact between mpire leadership and bob leadership whatsoever. So when the first you hear of em is when they show up in delve, that convo was quite respectfull. Definitly not like tomcatt said that i was yelling at him. But malachon, you were stating we weren't dipliomatic, please point out to us where that was then?
I am not sure this was one of the conversations M.Pire was alluding to when they got upset.
However, if we look at this statement: [ 2007.10.07 20:50:51 ] Tholarim > allowing you means we should allow every1
Would it be fair to say that this could/should be construed as saying:"M.Pire means nothing more to us than any beginner alliance from Empire. If 300 carebears from Empire want to rent a constellation they pay 6bn a month, so you will do the same".
I could see how that could be construed as undiplomatic. Maybe not in your mind, but certainly in theirs.
This was indeed the convo they got so upset about. And you are seriously reaching far if you think that remark implies they are a beginner from empire. Even you can't believe that it meant that in their minds. Every1 means all our allies; MC , FIX etc etc etc.
I think it's quite obvious for many people to see that we did not blow them away at the first sign of them in delve, in fact i asked their leaders to contact ours, with names stated, to resolve the situation. Instead i apparently yelled at tomcatt and treated them like the so called "pets". Oh yes, that is painfully obvious from this convo. *snip* Signature unsuitable for forums. Please refrain from refering to ongoing investigations in your signature - Valorem |
DT3
The Huns
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Posted - 2007.10.19 11:50:00 -
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Edited by: DT3 on 19/10/2007 11:50:28
Originally by: Tholarim ]
You should probably take Molle out of your list of "good" diplomatic contacts. I find his people skills lacking.
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Faith Black
Minmatar Rolls Roids
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Posted - 2007.10.19 11:50:00 -
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Edited by: Faith Black on 19/10/2007 11:51:01 I was in the North, not in m.pire though. We had no deal with BoB, but an offer from MC. We didn't go North, because BoB wanted us.
We also didn't go North for BoB. That they profitted in a way from it was just a side-effect.
We went North, because we wanted to go there. It looked like a good opportunity for our alliance to claim conquerable 0.0 space and build up. Yes, we were blue to BoB and MC, we were against Goons, but we went North for our own chance/profit. It was deal between us and MC and MC was very helpful. To me it was clear that MC needs to leave us there alone and that we need to take care of ourselves, since MC will be involved elsewhere. MC surely hoped that we can hold the space they gave to us, we hoped it too, didn't happen in the end and that's it.
No bad feelings against MC or BoB, just a bit disappointed that we couldn't hold the space on our own in the end.
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Malachon Draco
eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.10.19 11:51:00 -
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Originally by: Tholarim This was indeed the convo they got so upset about. And you are seriously reaching far if you think that remark implies they are a beginner from empire. Even you can't believe that it meant that in their minds. Every1 means all our allies; MC , FIX etc etc etc.
Hmm, are you saying MC pays 6bn a month per constellation? Or FIX?
Or put in another way. Hypothetically, lets say I am the Executor of a new alliance in Empire. 300 carebears chomping at the bit in shiny ratting ravens and covetors, eyes gleaming when thinking about those belts with the big juicy arkonor roids. I contact your diplomatic contact and say:"Please Mr BoB sir. Can I perhaps rent a constellation from you for ratting and mining?". What kind of price-quote would I get from the BoB diplomatic contact for renting a constellation? ------------------------------------------------
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Tholarim
Amarr Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.10.19 11:54:00 -
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Originally by: Malachon Draco
Originally by: Tholarim This was indeed the convo they got so upset about. And you are seriously reaching far if you think that remark implies they are a beginner from empire. Even you can't believe that it meant that in their minds. Every1 means all our allies; MC , FIX etc etc etc.
Hmm, are you saying MC pays 6bn a month per constellation? Or FIX?
That's EXACTLY what was saying in that convo, they don't pay rent and they don't npc there either. *snip* Signature unsuitable for forums. Please refrain from refering to ongoing investigations in your signature - Valorem |
marakor
Gallente Anti Lag Forum Smackers
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Posted - 2007.10.19 11:55:00 -
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Originally by: Malachon Draco
Originally by: marakor
Originally by: Malachon Draco
Originally by: marakor Edited by: marakor on 19/10/2007 11:16:12
Originally by: Malachon Draco
Originally by: Avon
However, BoB's offer (which they didn't have to make at all), was not the only allied offer on the table - it was just an alternative option extended to them.
Maybe this is the critical point. Are you sure that M.Pire was aware that this was just an alternative to living with MC?
Of course you also might want to consider that the offering of the option in itself could be construed as a pretty grave insult.
Ask yourself this bud.
A alliance that was on your side had just bailed on its coalition without informing them in fact while these said allies were actualy in battle in system and as such costing six outposts without actualy losing a single one in battle.
How much value would you put on said alliance and membership other than a bit of income?. They could hardly be depended on to hold the line or even trusted to not negtiate a separate peace behind your backs if things looked to be even slightly difficult.
GOON may value such members but i think that most would consider them a liability and a flaw that could widen over time and spread into your own ranks instead of a benifit. Id say that this is the most inportant point ppl seem to be missing in all this.
If the attitude from BoB is like yours, and they considered M.Pire more a liability than an asset, surely they are happy to see them on the other side? More easy targets.
Perhaps they did and considered them only worth a bit of profit but the fact is you did not answer the question or do you dispute my facts?.
I was not there in the final weeks of the fight between M.Pire and the Northern Coalition forces. But from what I hear, there was nothing left to defend. BKG was completely overrun, and with it, the strongest defended position that M.Pire/the new North had.
But I can't comment on your facts, since I have no exact knowledge of what happened. I can imagine that what you call 'the facts' are what BoB perceives to be true, while I also think that M.Pire has a completely different view of 'the facts'. I'm not even sure 'the facts' even exist in this case.
If you consider 5 other outposts all with very high sov (most at least as high as BKG) and a coalition member count of 3000 in a position of "nothing left" id say your own alliance is in trouble.
Your claim that they spent months under heavy attack is total fiction cos i was there and even if it was true it does not excuse there betrayal of their allies who were actualy in battle in this "capital system" when they negotiated a secret and seperate peace without even consulting their allies and reset standings.
That betrayal is a stain on a reputation that will never rub off but then to drama bomb BOB because of an standard rental offer saying was an insult to their honor/pride/self respect is a hipocracy that defies belief considering MC's free space offer and if you cannot see that its because of the side your on and nothing else.
Oh and BOB/RAGOON both can kiss my ass and if there was a third power block (whitch i think there should be in eve) id join it and shoot both the ****s.
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Avon
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.10.19 11:56:00 -
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Edited by: Avon on 19/10/2007 11:56:00
Originally by: Malachon Draco
Originally by: Tholarim This was indeed the convo they got so upset about. And you are seriously reaching far if you think that remark implies they are a beginner from empire. Even you can't believe that it meant that in their minds. Every1 means all our allies; MC , FIX etc etc etc.
Hmm, are you saying MC pays 6bn a month per constellation? Or FIX?
Or put in another way. Hypothetically, lets say I am the Executor of a new alliance in Empire. 300 carebears chomping at the bit in shiny ratting ravens and covetors, eyes gleaming when thinking about those belts with the big juicy arkonor roids. I contact your diplomatic contact and say:"Please Mr BoB sir. Can I perhaps rent a constellation from you for ratting and mining?". What kind of price-quote would I get from the BoB diplomatic contact for renting a constellation?
You would, in all likelyhood, get turned down.
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
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Malachon Draco
eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.10.19 11:59:00 -
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Edited by: Malachon Draco on 19/10/2007 11:58:58
Originally by: Avon Edited by: Avon on 19/10/2007 11:56:00
Originally by: Malachon Draco
Originally by: Tholarim This was indeed the convo they got so upset about. And you are seriously reaching far if you think that remark implies they are a beginner from empire. Even you can't believe that it meant that in their minds. Every1 means all our allies; MC , FIX etc etc etc.
Hmm, are you saying MC pays 6bn a month per constellation? Or FIX?
Or put in another way. Hypothetically, lets say I am the Executor of a new alliance in Empire. 300 carebears chomping at the bit in shiny ratting ravens and covetors, eyes gleaming when thinking about those belts with the big juicy arkonor roids. I contact your diplomatic contact and say:"Please Mr BoB sir. Can I perhaps rent a constellation from you for ratting and mining?". What kind of price-quote would I get from the BoB diplomatic contact for renting a constellation?
You would, in all likelyhood, get turned down.
Well, yes. I can imagine you not liking me enough . But thats not answering the question. What does an alliance with zero affiliation with BoB beforehand have to pay for a constellation, in the case they are accepted? Not a difficult question I think? ------------------------------------------------
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Malachon Draco
eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.10.19 12:03:00 -
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Originally by: marakor Your claim that they spent months under heavy attack is total fiction cos i was there and even if it was true it does not excuse there betrayal of their allies who were actualy in battle in this "capital system" when they negotiated a secret and seperate peace without even consulting their allies and reset standings.
That betrayal is a stain on a reputation that will never rub off but then to drama bomb BOB because of an standard rental offer saying was an insult to their honor/pride/self respect is a hipocracy that defies belief considering MC's free space offer and if you cannot see that its because of the side your on and nothing else.
Oh and BOB/RAGOON both can kiss my ass and if there was a third power block (whitch i think there should be in eve) id join it and shoot both the ****s.
Listen, I wasn't there so I can't give any real opinion on how it exactly ended. Maybe M.Pire are a bunch of sad losers and gits. They don't seem to be that to me, but what do I know? The only point I am trying to make is that if BoB treats them like that, they should not be surprised about how it turned out.
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Avon
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.10.19 12:11:00 -
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Edited by: Avon on 19/10/2007 12:14:43
Originally by: Malachon Draco
Well, yes. I can imagine you not liking me enough . But thats not answering the question. What does an alliance with zero affiliation with BoB beforehand have to pay for a constellation, in the case they are accepted? Not a difficult question I think?
Actually, my response had nothing to do with you being the executor. A new alliance with no 0.0 experience, and no track record, would be very unlikely to get a rental agreement. The very fact that M.Pire were offered one at all raises them up above that bar. However, to not only get an offer, but to expect to get it all for free? Do they honestly rate themselves above MC, who don't even get the access to Delve to which M.Pire thought themselves entitled?
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
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marakor
Gallente Anti Lag Forum Smackers
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Posted - 2007.10.19 12:19:00 -
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Edited by: marakor on 19/10/2007 12:22:21 Edited by: marakor on 19/10/2007 12:21:31
Originally by: Malachon Draco
Originally by: marakor Your claim that they spent months under heavy attack is total fiction cos i was there and even if it was true it does not excuse there betrayal of their allies who were actualy in battle in this "capital system" when they negotiated a secret and seperate peace without even consulting their allies and reset standings.
That betrayal is a stain on a reputation that will never rub off but then to drama bomb BOB because of an standard rental offer saying was an insult to their honor/pride/self respect is a hipocracy that defies belief considering MC's free space offer and if you cannot see that its because of the side your on and nothing else.
Oh and BOB/RAGOON both can kiss my ass and if there was a third power block (whitch i think there should be in eve) id join it and shoot both the ****s.
Listen, I wasn't there so I can't give any real opinion on how it exactly ended. Maybe M.Pire are a bunch of sad losers and gits. They don't seem to be that to me, but what do I know? The only point I am trying to make is that if BoB treats them like that, they should not be surprised about how it turned out.
And perhaps the bailing on the new north without consulting coloured the BOB diplo's opinion. Or a high percentage of the STK/MPIRE leadership/voices had already seen how the wind was blowing, bailed on the new north and were overjoyed when BOB gave them the oportunity to drop the rent drama bomb and switch sides.
Either of these and many others can or could be true but the fact is that they bailed on the new north coalition without consulting them first and while battle was raging. And then to cry on the forums and have a near 50 page thread mostly about their betrayal by BOB and insult to their pride and sef respect is a joke and hipocracy of monumental proportions.
You do not bail on allies mid battle and then scream "we have been disrespected" a day or so later and expect support from anybody apart from those who think they can benifit from the drama.
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mamolian
M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.19 12:25:00 -
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Edited by: mamolian on 19/10/2007 12:25:27
Originally by: Avon Do they honestly rate themselves above MC, who don't even get the access to Delve to which M.Pire thought themselves entitled?
Come on now Avon.. The only reason anyone was even in Delve, is due to renting the nearest available front line office this latest angle you chaps are trying to spin really is a load of *******s.
The damage has already been done? Forget about saving face and leave this topic die tbh..
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Avon
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.10.19 12:28:00 -
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Originally by: mamolian Edited by: mamolian on 19/10/2007 12:25:27
Originally by: Avon Do they honestly rate themselves above MC, who don't even get the access to Delve to which M.Pire thought themselves entitled?
Come on now Avon.. The only reason anyone was even in Delve, is due to renting the nearest available front line office this latest angle you chaps are trying to spin really is a load of *******s.
The damage has already been done? Forget about saving face and leave this topic die tbh..
You read the chatlogs, right? Dismissing it as an "angle" doesn't work so well in light of the facts, does it? Also, it isn't a "latest angle", because it appears a lot at the start of the thread too.
Who exactly is trying to save face here?
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
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Orangir
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.19 12:32:00 -
[1346]
Originally by: Avon Who exactly is trying to save face here?
Pretty much just you, considering almost the entire Eve community has come out in support of M. Pire's decision.
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Malachon Draco
eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.10.19 12:33:00 -
[1347]
Originally by: Avon Edited by: Avon on 19/10/2007 12:14:43
Originally by: Malachon Draco
Well, yes. I can imagine you not liking me enough . But thats not answering the question. What does an alliance with zero affiliation with BoB beforehand have to pay for a constellation, in the case they are accepted? Not a difficult question I think?
Actually, my response had nothing to do with you being the executor. A new alliance with no 0.0 experience, and no track record, would be very unlikely to get a rental agreement. The very fact that M.Pire were offered one at all raises them up above that bar. However, to not only get an offer, but to expect to get it all for free? Do they honestly rate themselves above MC, who don't even get the access to Delve to which M.Pire thought themselves entitled?
You can look at it from a 'legalistic' point of view I guess. Or you could have considered the position the GBC is in, with 'the barbarians at the gate' and decide that this was not the time to be a stickler for rules.
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Avon
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.10.19 12:34:00 -
[1348]
Originally by: Orangir
Originally by: Avon Who exactly is trying to save face here?
Pretty much just you, considering almost the entire Eve community has come out in support of M. Pire's decision.
Show me the figures.
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
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marakor
Gallente Anti Lag Forum Smackers
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Posted - 2007.10.19 12:36:00 -
[1349]
Originally by: Avon
Originally by: Orangir
Originally by: Avon Who exactly is trying to save face here?
Pretty much just you, considering almost the entire Eve community has come out in support of M. Pire's decision.
Show me the figures.
On the break from BOB or the bailing on the new north bud?.
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Arl
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.19 12:36:00 -
[1350]
Edited by: Arl on 19/10/2007 12:36:18
Originally by: Avon
Who exactly is trying to save face here?
If renting is such a great deal, why don't you contact a diplomat in RSF and attempt to rent some of yours back?
You could then try to sublet it.
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Avon
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.10.19 12:36:00 -
[1351]
Originally by: Malachon Draco
You can look at it from a 'legalistic' point of view I guess. Or you could have considered the position the GBC is in, with 'the barbarians at the gate' and decide that this was not the time to be a stickler for rules.
The choice between internal conflict and increased external conflict is an easy one to make.
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
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Sasha Evergreen
Gallente Sand Castle Generals
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Posted - 2007.10.19 12:37:00 -
[1352]
Originally by: Avon Who exactly is trying to save face here?
Yours, your ugly face.
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Malachon Draco
eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.10.19 12:39:00 -
[1353]
Originally by: Avon
Originally by: Malachon Draco
You can look at it from a 'legalistic' point of view I guess. Or you could have considered the position the GBC is in, with 'the barbarians at the gate' and decide that this was not the time to be a stickler for rules.
The choice between internal conflict and increased external conflict is an easy one to make.
The phrase 'Rearranging deckchairs on the Titanic' is going through my mind here.
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Gungankllr
Caldari STK Scientific M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.19 12:41:00 -
[1354]
Originally by: Avon
Originally by: Orangir
Originally by: Avon Who exactly is trying to save face here?
Pretty much just you, considering almost the entire Eve community has come out in support of M. Pire's decision.
Show me the figures.
Just read the whole thread.
There's a pretty good representation of the eve community here, I think.
Granted some of them are biased, like Goons.
Then again, most everybody in Eve doesn't like you guys, so I guess they are all biased too.
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sophisticatedlimabean
Gallente The JORG Corporation Methods of Mayhem Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.19 12:44:00 -
[1355]
Edited by: sophisticatedlimabean on 19/10/2007 12:45:15
Originally by: Gungankllr
Originally by: Avon
Originally by: Orangir
Originally by: Avon Who exactly is trying to save face here?
Pretty much just you, considering almost the entire Eve community has come out in support of M. Pire's decision.
Show me the figures.
Just read the whole thread.
There's a pretty good representation of the eve community here, I think.
Granted some of them are biased, like Goons.
Then again, most everybody in Eve doesn't like you guys, so I guess they are all biased too.
I wonder how a vote on bailing on the north without consulting them would go as i see you seem to avoid those points and focus on your drama bomb.
And i think as you say your confusing ppls dislike for BOB for support for you.
Reply? yes? no?
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Avon
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.10.19 12:44:00 -
[1356]
Originally by: Gungankllr
Just read the whole thread.
There's a pretty good representation of the eve community here, I think.
Granted some of them are biased, like Goons.
Then again, most everybody in Eve doesn't like you guys, so I guess they are all biased too.
Wait, CAOD is a good representation of the entire Eve community? Now *that* is funny. Seriously.
It is, at best, a rather poor representation of but a minority of the Eve community; but honestly it probably isn't even as important as that.
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
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Vladic Ka
Viper Squad Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.10.19 12:44:00 -
[1357]
Originally by: Malachon Draco
The phrase 'Rearranging deckchairs on the Titanic' is going through my mind here.
I lol'd.
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Faith Black
Minmatar Rolls Roids
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Posted - 2007.10.19 12:45:00 -
[1358]
Edited by: Faith Black on 19/10/2007 12:47:21 Edited by: Faith Black on 19/10/2007 12:46:15
Originally by: marakor And perhaps the bailing on the new north without consulting coloured the BOB diplo's opinion.
Truth is, the New North didn't owe anything to BoB and BoB didn't owe anything to us. We've been fighting each day over months for our space that we didn't get from BoB. If we owe someone something, then MC. They are really the only one, who could ask us to explain us, but think Seleene is a realist and not pointing the finger at us so easily.
Afaik communication with the rest of the gbc was a bit laggy anyway since the beginning, a fact that we quite early accepted, which I interpreted as not being really needed or important enough. So basically we had our fights and BoB theirs, which brings me also back to the 1st point: BoB doesn't/didn't owe anything to us and we not to them. They can't complain to us for surrendering in the North.
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Gungankllr
Caldari STK Scientific M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.19 12:49:00 -
[1359]
Originally by: Avon
Originally by: Gungankllr
Just read the whole thread.
There's a pretty good representation of the eve community here, I think.
Granted some of them are biased, like Goons.
Then again, most everybody in Eve doesn't like you guys, so I guess they are all biased too.
Wait, CAOD is a good representation of the entire Eve community? Now *that* is funny. Seriously.
It is, at best, a rather poor representation of but a minority of the Eve community; but honestly it probably isn't even as important as that.
I dunno, if you're worried about the noob corpers hanging out in Kisogo not having a voice here, then there's not much I can do for you.
The people who post in this forum for the most part, are those that are living in 0.0 and having the epic back and forth battles and whatnot.
Yes, there's a large portion of players that live in empire and you don't hear their voice, because this forum focuses on what is happening in 0.0 for the most part.
I'm not saying the guys in empire don't matter, I'm just saying they don't have a whole lot to talk about in CAOD, because they don't take or lose space, and I don't see a lot of epic empire fleet battles.
if you're wanting to count them as a cross section of the eve community feel free, but let's be realistic that there is a very good chance they are just spectators and have never had any real contact with BoB or Goons or whoever except for what they read here...
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Arl
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.19 12:49:00 -
[1360]
While everyone is in a friendly mood.
Can we at least agree to replace the term GBC with LBC in light of recent events? I think that's more accurate and descriptive.
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marakor
Gallente Anti Lag Forum Smackers
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Posted - 2007.10.19 12:49:00 -
[1361]
Edited by: marakor on 19/10/2007 12:50:49
Originally by: Faith Black
Originally by: marakor And perhaps the bailing on the new north without consulting coloured the BOB diplo's opinion.
Truth is, the New North didn't owe anything to BoB and BoB didn't owe anything to us. We've been fighting each day over months for our space that we didn't get from BoB. If we owe someone something, then MC. They are really the only one, who could ask us to explain us, but think Seleene is a realist and not pointing the finger at us so easily.
Afaik communication with the rest of the gbc was a bit laggy anyway since the beginning, a fact that we quite early accepted, which I interpreted as not being really needed or important enough. So basically we had our fights and their theirs, which brings me also back to the 1st point: BoB doesn't/didn't owe anything to us and we not to them. They can't complain to us for losing in the North.
Your proly right but just cos it did'nt actualy effect BOB as a alliance does not mean they did'nt register the fact of the betrayal and consider that in there evaluation of MPIRE as an ally.
Lets face it after that how much would anybody apart from sombody looking to benifit from the BOB drama bomb trust them.
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mamolian
M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.19 12:52:00 -
[1362]
Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean bailing on the north without consulting them
Those of any sway in Fatal at the time, along with COW were contacted..
But what makes me laugh.. is this point coming from you? I seem to remember you leaving Fatal long before any of the real battles occured up north.. and a rather large stink over the matter..
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Two Beans
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.19 12:53:00 -
[1363]
All this blah blah traitors blah turncoats blah blah crap is nice and all, but have you ever bothered to play around with the idea that maybe, just maybe, M.Pire just decided that BoB sucks and didn't want to play on their side anymore.
I mean, it is a game. Games kinda are no longer fun when you have teammates that suck. There's a reason why the fat kid gets picked last for dodgeball. _____________
2B
Tao that is spoken is not Tao. - 老子 道德經
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Avon
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.10.19 12:55:00 -
[1364]
Originally by: Two Beans All this blah blah traitors blah turncoats blah blah crap is nice and all, but have you ever bothered to play around with the idea that maybe, just maybe, M.Pire just decided that BoB sucks and didn't want to play on their side anymore.
No, I think pretty much everyone realises that is the truth of the situation - just that one side isn't too keen on actually standing up and saying it.
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
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sophisticatedlimabean
Gallente The JORG Corporation Methods of Mayhem Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.19 12:58:00 -
[1365]
Edited by: sophisticatedlimabean on 19/10/2007 13:00:44
Originally by: mamolian
Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean bailing on the north without consulting them
Those of any sway in Fatal at the time, along with COW were contacted..
But what makes me laugh.. is this point coming from you? I seem to remember you leaving Fatal long before any of the real battles occured up north.. and a rather large stink over the matter..
Realy from what i read on here you were fighting the good fight for months against overwhelming odds lol and your right i was there and left due to the carebear attitude to keeping the space we held.
LOL no need to say how it turned out.
And informing FATAL and COW after you surrendered and reset standing is hardly the same. Nice try on the spin but a massive fail.
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Avon
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.10.19 12:58:00 -
[1366]
Originally by: Gungankllr
I dunno, if you're worried about the noob corpers hanging out in Kisogo not having a voice here, then there's not much I can do for you.
The people who post in this forum for the most part, are those that are living in 0.0 and having the epic back and forth battles and whatnot.
Yes, there's a large portion of players that live in empire and you don't hear their voice, because this forum focuses on what is happening in 0.0 for the most part.
I'm not saying the guys in empire don't matter, I'm just saying they don't have a whole lot to talk about in CAOD, because they don't take or lose space, and I don't see a lot of epic empire fleet battles.
if you're wanting to count them as a cross section of the eve community feel free, but let's be realistic that there is a very good chance they are just spectators and have never had any real contact with BoB or Goons or whoever except for what they read here...
So you are, in a rather long winded manner, agreeing that: "almost the entire Eve community has come out in support of M. Pire's decision", is untrue?
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
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Gungankllr
Caldari STK Scientific M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.19 12:59:00 -
[1367]
Originally by: Avon
Originally by: Gungankllr
I dunno, if you're worried about the noob corpers hanging out in Kisogo not having a voice here, then there's not much I can do for you.
The people who post in this forum for the most part, are those that are living in 0.0 and having the epic back and forth battles and whatnot.
Yes, there's a large portion of players that live in empire and you don't hear their voice, because this forum focuses on what is happening in 0.0 for the most part.
I'm not saying the guys in empire don't matter, I'm just saying they don't have a whole lot to talk about in CAOD, because they don't take or lose space, and I don't see a lot of epic empire fleet battles.
if you're wanting to count them as a cross section of the eve community feel free, but let's be realistic that there is a very good chance they are just spectators and have never had any real contact with BoB or Goons or whoever except for what they read here...
So you are, in a rather long winded manner, agreeing that: "almost the entire Eve community has come out in support of M. Pire's decision", is untrue?
Are you ********?
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Papion
Huff and Puff
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Posted - 2007.10.19 13:01:00 -
[1368]
Originally by: Avon
Originally by: Gungankllr
I dunno, if you're worried about the noob corpers hanging out in Kisogo not having a voice here, then there's not much I can do for you.
The people who post in this forum for the most part, are those that are living in 0.0 and having the epic back and forth battles and whatnot.
Yes, there's a large portion of players that live in empire and you don't hear their voice, because this forum focuses on what is happening in 0.0 for the most part.
I'm not saying the guys in empire don't matter, I'm just saying they don't have a whole lot to talk about in CAOD, because they don't take or lose space, and I don't see a lot of epic empire fleet battles.
if you're wanting to count them as a cross section of the eve community feel free, but let's be realistic that there is a very good chance they are just spectators and have never had any real contact with BoB or Goons or whoever except for what they read here...
So you are, in a rather long winded manner, agreeing that: "almost the entire Eve community has come out in support of M. Pire's decision", is untrue?
or they might be correct.
and yes they are correct in their decision why should they pay and you guys made it clear that you do not see them as equils and desired isk for standinsg and they saw it as a big insult and dcided they could not get past that so they decided it was not worth supporting you.
and with such a long histpry of being on your side they felt the need to work againstt you now after the big insult
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Martin VanBuren
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.19 22:59:00 -
[1369]
Originally by: Avon
Originally by: Two Beans All this blah blah traitors blah turncoats blah blah crap is nice and all, but have you ever bothered to play around with the idea that maybe, just maybe, M.Pire just decided that BoB sucks and didn't want to play on their side anymore.
No, I think pretty much everyone realises that is the truth of the situation - just that one side isn't too keen on actually standing up and saying it.
BoB is rapidly losing the war and anyone who is keen on living in something other than npc 0.0 should reset their standings asap?
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mamolian
M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.19 23:29:00 -
[1370]
Originally by: Avon
Originally by: Gungankllr
So you are, in a rather long winded manner, agreeing that: "almost the entire Eve community has come out in support of M. Pire's decision", is untrue?
Ahh now I understand.. Your offering to buy the first round at the next BOB BBQ meetup? am i rite?
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Cringeley
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.19 23:35:00 -
[1371]
We all want this thing to hit 50 pages, but the Avon and marakor show is not the way to achieve it.
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marakor
Gallente Anti Lag Forum Smackers
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Posted - 2007.10.19 23:38:00 -
[1372]
Edited by: marakor on 19/10/2007 23:40:16
Originally by: Cringeley We all want this thing to hit 50 pages, and the truth and a point of view from sombody who is not total proGOON and anti-BOB is exactly the way to achieve it.
heh fixed
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Serret
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.10.20 00:56:00 -
[1373]
Originally by: Gungankllr
Just read the whole thread.
There's a pretty good representation of the eve community here, I think.
Granted some of them are biased, like Goons.
Then again, most everybody in Eve doesn't like you guys, so I guess they are all biased too.
Go back through the thread, disregard the our opponents in war (e.g., Goons) by default and also everyone here who got booted from or otherwise left BoB on poor terms, and all the rest who got their apps rejected.
Now count the rest please. --
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Orangir
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.20 01:49:00 -
[1374]
Edited by: Orangir on 20/10/2007 01:51:34
Originally by: Serret
Originally by: Gungankllr
Just read the whole thread.
There's a pretty good representation of the eve community here, I think.
Granted some of them are biased, like Goons.
Then again, most everybody in Eve doesn't like you guys, so I guess they are all biased too.
Go back through the thread, disregard the our opponents in war (e.g., Goons) by default and also everyone here who got booted from or otherwise left BoB on poor terms, and all the rest who got their apps rejected.
Now count the rest please.
Also, please disregard anyone who at one point was red to BoB or allies of BoB or allies of the allies of BoB or pets of BoB or at any point in the past year have made a post in or out of CAOD that could be seen as a contradiction of the principles BoB stand for or a post that could be comprehended in some way to claim to understand the motives of either BoB or Red Alliance or Goonswarm or any other alliance in Eve that has a member count smaller than the previously listed alliance with the exception of alliances that base out of Syndicate and harbor ill will towards the residents of Syndicate who have left the area over 1 year and 3 months but under 2 years ago.
I think you'll see who the community really supports when you do so.
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Serret
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.10.20 03:36:00 -
[1375]
Edited by: Serret on 20/10/2007 03:37:03
Originally by: Orangir
Also, please disregard anyone who at one point was red to BoB or allies of BoB or allies of the allies of BoB or pets of BoB or at any point in the past year have made a post in or out of CAOD that could be seen as a contradiction of the principles BoB stand for or a post that could be comprehended in some way to claim to understand the motives of either BoB or Red Alliance or Goonswarm or any other alliance in Eve that has a member count smaller than the previously listed alliance with the exception of alliances that base out of Syndicate and harbor ill will towards the residents of Syndicate who have left the area over 1 year and 3 months but under 2 years ago.
I think you'll see who the community really supports when you do so.
Are you saying that the Goon community primarily admits people who have fallen all the way down the slippery slope without ever having to know what one is? --
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Two Beans
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.20 04:24:00 -
[1376]
Originally by: Serret Are you saying that the Goon community primarily admits people who have fallen all the way down the slippery slope without ever having to know what one is?
No, just the ones that gave Lowtax a ten-spot so they can make phallic jokes on an internet forum. _____________
2B
Tao that is spoken is not Tao. - 老子 道德經
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Taran Blake
De Re Metallica
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Posted - 2007.10.20 05:24:00 -
[1377]
Originally by: Martin VanBuren
Originally by: Avon
Originally by: Two Beans All this blah blah traitors blah turncoats blah blah crap is nice and all, but have you ever bothered to play around with the idea that maybe, just maybe, M.Pire just decided that BoB sucks and didn't want to play on their side anymore.
No, I think pretty much everyone realises that is the truth of the situation - just that one side isn't too keen on actually standing up and saying it.
BoB is rapidly losing the war and anyone who is keen on living in something other than npc 0.0 should reset their standings asap?
Pretty much looks that way to me.
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WraithFire
Cassandra's Light Dark Matter Coalition
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Posted - 2007.10.20 06:37:00 -
[1378]
Edited by: WraithFire on 20/10/2007 06:36:57
Originally by: Tholarim
Originally by: Malachon Draco
Originally by: Tholarim This was indeed the convo they got so upset about. And you are seriously reaching far if you think that remark implies they are a beginner from empire. Even you can't believe that it meant that in their minds. Every1 means all our allies; MC , FIX etc etc etc.
Hmm, are you saying MC pays 6bn a month per constellation? Or FIX?
That's EXACTLY what was saying in that convo, they don't pay rent and they don't npc there either.
So basically, you guys [BoB] showed them the shaft. Wow, that is totally enriching despite the things they did for you guys. Interesting.
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Alias11
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.20 06:49:00 -
[1379]
So I guess my real question is whats the difference between M. Pire switching sides, which is apparently a dishonorable mutiny against the noble and just band of brothers and, say, RMF or any of the other ASCN guys switching sides, which was an honorable path of blah blah blah blah blah
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Vaarmoth Malinigvious
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.10.20 07:31:00 -
[1380]
m corp doing a runner, who'd have thought!
Anyway, I dont even think they were allies of ours. When I jump cloned to bkg a few months back I couldnt use any station services and they were set to neutral. So, its hardly a loss.
I like the announcment banner, long-time allies, lol!
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sophisticatedlimabean
Gallente The JORG Corporation Methods of Mayhem Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.20 10:14:00 -
[1381]
Edited by: sophisticatedlimabean on 20/10/2007 10:16:08 Edited by: sophisticatedlimabean on 20/10/2007 10:15:08
Originally by: Alias11 poor attempt to avoid the point
I think the point is that MPIRE screamed about being disrespected and dishonored by BOB who they claim they were fighting for/allied with and used the 6 bil issue offered by BOB to drama bomb and switch sides. (Avoiding mention of the MC's offer to have free space to live in of course)
They did this only days after bailing on their allies in branch by negotiating a seperate peace without even informing/warning COW/FATAL until after their standings had been reset. Not only that but at the time of this surrender FATAL/COW were actualy fighting to hold MPIRES space in BKG.
I do believe Hypocrisy has been redefined in this thread.
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sophisticatedlimabean
Gallente The JORG Corporation Methods of Mayhem Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.20 10:58:00 -
[1382]
Edited by: sophisticatedlimabean on 20/10/2007 11:04:38 I think the point is that MPIRE screamed about being disrespected and dishonored by BOB who they claim they were fighting for/allied with and used the 6 bil issue offered by BOB to drama bomb and switch sides. (Avoiding mention of the MC's offer to have free space to live in of course)
They did this only days after bailing on their allies in branch by negotiating a seperate peace without even informing/warning COW/FATAL until after their standings had been reset. Not only that but at the time of this surrender FATAL/COW were actualy fighting to hold MPIRES space in BKG.
I do believe Hypocrisy has been redefined in this thread.
Originally by: Papion limebean please get over yourself and give it a rest your attempts are starting to look a bit desperate
after 48 pages of ANTI-BOB propaganda (not totaly undeserved) id say a leveler is needed
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mamolian
M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.20 11:07:00 -
[1383]
Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean Not only that but at the time of this surrender FATAL/COW were actualy fighting to hold MPIRES space in BKG.
This coming from the chap who ****** off to empire to pirate.. ? Seriously.. the only hypocrisy in this thread is the crap your typing on here.. yourself and that Maric=n? Marakor? Whatever his name is..
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Yuyuko Saigyouji
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.20 11:13:00 -
[1384]
Originally by: Avon
Originally by: Gungankllr
Just read the whole thread.
There's a pretty good representation of the eve community here, I think.
Granted some of them are biased, like Goons.
Then again, most everybody in Eve doesn't like you guys, so I guess they are all biased too.
Wait, CAOD is a good representation of the entire Eve community? Now *that* is funny. Seriously.
It is, at best, a rather poor representation of but a minority of the Eve community; but honestly it probably isn't even as important as that.
yes, because the rest of the eve community hates you even more than caod posters
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Pesadel0
Ordem dos Templarios Pax Atlantis
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Posted - 2007.10.20 11:14:00 -
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Originally by: Yuyuko Saigyouji
Originally by: Avon
Originally by: Gungankllr
Just read the whole thread.
There's a pretty good representation of the eve community here, I think.
Granted some of them are biased, like Goons.
Then again, most everybody in Eve doesn't like you guys, so I guess they are all biased too.
Wait, CAOD is a good representation of the entire Eve community? Now *that* is funny. Seriously.
It is, at best, a rather poor representation of but a minority of the Eve community; but honestly it probably isn't even as important as that.
yes, because the rest of the eve community hates you even more than caod posters
I think the rest off the eve community just hate CAOD :D
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Jacques Archambault
Forum Moderator
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Posted - 2007.10.20 11:28:00 -
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Thread locked at the request of the OP.
-Jacques
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