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Ephemeron
Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.29 11:02:00 -
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Today I ran accross one of buescrew Raven farmers in Branch. A quick "show info" revealed that they are part of IAC alliance again.
In case some people are still unclear, buescrew is one of the most well known chinese isk farming corps. When you see the isk seller spam on public channels, you can be sure that at least some of that isk is coming from the buescrew farm sweatshops.
If you examine many other 23/7 Raven isk farmers, you'll notice that about 30% of them have been in buescrew corp at some point.
I know that IAC is just using the isk farmers to "steal" some of their money, basically making them pay rent for regions they don't even control. But the real issue is that actions of IAC give corps like buescrew in-game legitimacy. CCP is less likely to deal with them now.
If real alliances didn't tolerate chinese isk farmers for their personal gain, CCP would have easier time identifying and banning the isk farmers.
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Minigin
Ganja Labs
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Posted - 2007.07.29 11:06:00 -
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Edited by: Minigin on 29/07/2007 11:15:21 scum!
btw i love you eph. /me strokes ephs bald head.
edit: ps i do see this as a real problem because this corp uses its blue standings to gain access into other regions that IAC really has no claim in. they abuse these standings to breaking points.
MINIGIN! now posting in "limegreen"
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IntegralHellsing
Gallente Neo-Asia Dynamic Instrument Mare Tranquillitatis
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Posted - 2007.07.29 11:09:00 -
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either that or they've been in several chinese corps famous for ISK farming. (eg. Chang corp, or others)
there's absolutely no way to catch them to be honest. they just cloak at the site of anyone.
but suuurely we can stop them by not ebaying the ISK --------------------------------------
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Mr Broker
Station Gremlings
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Posted - 2007.07.29 11:09:00 -
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shut up
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Minigin
Ganja Labs
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Posted - 2007.07.29 11:11:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Broker shut up
no u
MINIGIN! now posting in "limegreen"
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Mr Broker
Station Gremlings
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Posted - 2007.07.29 11:16:00 -
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Originally by: Minigin
Originally by: Mr Broker shut up
no u
If IAC kicks the perfectly legitimate ratter corp out, I will be laugh at them for being intimitated by a nobody, whose alliance does not stand behind him.
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Minigin
Ganja Labs
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Posted - 2007.07.29 11:20:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Broker
Originally by: Minigin
Originally by: Mr Broker shut up
no u
If IAC kicks the perfectly legitimate ratter corp out, I will be laugh at them for being intimitated by a nobody, whose alliance does not stand behind him.
i doubt they will kick them out for starters. but certainly they should be considering there blues. as this corp is well known for ratting in blue sov systems without permission, and repeatedly ignoring warnings to leave. now tell me oh wise one... who are you?
MINIGIN! now posting in "limegreen"
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Mr Broker
Station Gremlings
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Posted - 2007.07.29 11:22:00 -
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Originally by: Minigin
Originally by: Mr Broker
Originally by: Minigin
Originally by: Mr Broker shut up
no u
If IAC kicks the perfectly legitimate ratter corp out, I will be laugh at them for being intimitated by a nobody, whose alliance does not stand behind him.
i doubt they will kick them out for starters. but certainly they should be considering there blues. as this corp is well known for ratting in blue sov systems without permission, and repeatedly ignoring warnings to leave. now tell me oh wise one... who are you?
do you have a home station? let me know, thanks
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Ephemeron
Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.29 11:26:00 -
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Quote: If IAC kicks the perfectly legitimate ratter corp out, I will be laugh at them for being intimitated by a nobody, whose alliance does not stand behind him.
Don't get the wrong idea. IAC knows they are isk farmers, IAC does not respect them. The very fact that IAC leaders decieve that corp by promising protection in a region that is very far from IAC regions, shows that IAC is just using them for isk.
I doubt IAC would let them farm in the regions they actually control, because then their own players would get upset by influx of chinese isk farmers. No, they send them far away and collect their isk.
But buescrew accepts that, cause they know that this way they are much less likely to get banned. Nobody is fooling anyone here, except maybe CCP.
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Mr Broker
Station Gremlings
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Posted - 2007.07.29 11:29:00 -
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Originally by: Ephemeron But buescrew accepts that, cause they know that this way they are much less likely to get banned. Nobody is fooling anyone here, except maybe CCP.
Show me proof that CCP banned ratting farmers and not isk selling characters.
CCP doesn't banned people just because they rat 23/7 and are asian even if it is 99% likely they are isk farmers. Unless they use macros, which ratters don't.
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Mr Broker
Station Gremlings
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Posted - 2007.07.29 11:30:00 -
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There are still plenty of other well known isk farmer corps without an alliance, and they are still kicking strong.
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Minigin
Ganja Labs
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Posted - 2007.07.29 11:50:00 -
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Edited by: Minigin on 29/07/2007 11:50:57
Originally by: Mr Broker
Originally by: Minigin
Originally by: Mr Broker
Originally by: Minigin
Originally by: Mr Broker shut up
no u
If IAC kicks the perfectly legitimate ratter corp out, I will be laugh at them for being intimitated by a nobody, whose alliance does not stand behind him.
i doubt they will kick them out for starters. but certainly they should be considering there blues. as this corp is well known for ratting in blue sov systems without permission, and repeatedly ignoring warnings to leave. now tell me oh wise one... who are you?
do you have a home station? let me know, thanks
you seem stupid. check the ingame map.
MINIGIN! now posting in "limegreen"
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Ephemeron
Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.29 11:53:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Broker There are still plenty of other well known isk farmer corps without an alliance, and they are still kicking strong.
That doesn't mean that it's ok for player alliances to use them.
I know CCP can't ban them just because they rat 23/7, never actually use all the isk they make, and are chinese.
But CCP could investigate them and find out where all that isk is going. It's not as simple as checking wallet transactions, isk sellers are smarter than that, they purchase items and transfer them in untraceable ways. CCP is very busy and won't investigate if corp looks legit, and corp looks legit if it is part of well known player alliance.
If CCP people played the game many hours a day, they would easily see all the red flags we see. But they are busy working on the game so many things slip past their attention.
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Stamm
Amarr Three Holdings Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.07.29 11:58:00 -
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Interesting to see if IAC have any response.
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Minigin
Ganja Labs
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Posted - 2007.07.29 12:02:00 -
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Originally by: Stamm Interesting to see if IAC have any response.
i think its along the lines of... its not there problem... and i sadly have to agree with the dumb*** it really isnt... they get alot of isk out of them.
MINIGIN! now posting in "limegreen"
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Stamm
Amarr Three Holdings Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.07.29 12:24:00 -
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Edited by: Stamm on 29/07/2007 12:25:03
Originally by: Minigin
Originally by: Stamm Interesting to see if IAC have any response.
i think its along the lines of... its not there problem... and i sadly have to agree with the dumb*** it really isnt... they get alot of isk out of them.
Of course it's their problem.
That's like buying stolen crap in a pub and saying "Oh well I didn't steal it" Of course you knew it was stolen.
Edit : Assuming they are an ISK selling corp.
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Angeles
Caldari ZiTek Deepspace Explorations Prime Orbital Systems
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Posted - 2007.07.29 12:26:00 -
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The issue here is not the ratters, everyone has to rat, but isk for RL cash, now those that buy this isk are the ones that should be held accountable for this problem imho
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Minigin
Ganja Labs
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Posted - 2007.07.29 12:31:00 -
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Originally by: Angeles The issue here is not the ratters, everyone has to rat, but isk for RL cash, now those that buy this isk are the ones that should be held accountable for this problem imho
i agree. but i think its a little more complicated than that. CCP has said no to it... i dont think any alliance should endorse it... dunno how you can say no though... its a huge source of revenue.
MINIGIN! now posting in "limegreen"
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Bacilius
The Tidemark Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.07.29 12:37:00 -
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论坛妓女..
喝采!
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Muadeeb Ousil
Minmatar Office linebackers Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.07.29 12:41:00 -
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What region did we sell them this time?>
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CardboardSword42
Applied Eugenics
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Posted - 2007.07.29 12:44:00 -
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IAC get paid to rent regions they don't own and ensure that farmers don't NPCin their region. Sounds like win win for IAC and it also lowers the ammount of isk being sold for money because they would've NPC'd in 0.0 anyways and this way they're losing a couple billion isk a week.
The idea that CCP won't deal with isk farmers becuase they're in IAC is both ridiculously stupid and unfounded. If an account is found to have sold isk for real money, that account will be banned no matter what alliance or corporation that person is in. Having this corp in IAC has no bearing what so ever on their legitimacy in the eyes of a GM. In addition Tyrax pretty much agrees they're illegitimate but would rather make isk and not have them in his space than have to deal with them. Your arguments about why CCP are less likely do deal with farmers are totally warrantless.
I'm Ex-Biomass, that makes me cool But now I'm KOS and that makes me cooler 8)
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Aya
Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.07.29 12:45:00 -
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Set to red... dont let them think they will not get blown up in northern space because of blue standings.
Dont say they arent isk farmers because they are. Go play ffxi or Wow or any other game where you deal with the chinese RMT on a daily basis and cant kill them. You will be able to spot them in a legit crowd of players instantly.
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Ponderous Thunderstroke
Republic War Machine Industries
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Posted - 2007.07.29 12:46:00 -
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Originally by: Bacilius 论坛妓女..
喝采!
Oh, thank you waiter, I'll have the Hong Kong style chow mein, the ginger beef, and some wor won ton soup please.
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speedek
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.07.29 13:12:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Broker
Originally by: Ephemeron But buescrew accepts that, cause they know that this way they are much less likely to get banned. Nobody is fooling anyone here, except maybe CCP.
Show me proof that CCP banned ratting farmers and not isk selling characters.
CCP doesn't banned people just because they rat 23/7 and are asian even if it is 99% likely they are isk farmers. Unless they use macros, which ratters don't.
Yes they do.
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Mr Broker
Station Gremlings
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Posted - 2007.07.29 13:15:00 -
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Originally by: speedek
Originally by: Mr Broker
Originally by: Ephemeron But buescrew accepts that, cause they know that this way they are much less likely to get banned. Nobody is fooling anyone here, except maybe CCP.
Show me proof that CCP banned ratting farmers and not isk selling characters.
CCP doesn't banned people just because they rat 23/7 and are asian even if it is 99% likely they are isk farmers. Unless they use macros, which ratters don't.
Yes they do.
Proof or stfu because your BOB tag doesn't hold any credibility since T20.
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Kayleigh Lothian
Minmatar KIA Corp KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.29 13:45:00 -
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Edited by: Kayleigh Lothian on 29/07/2007 13:47:54 Edited by: Kayleigh Lothian on 29/07/2007 13:45:59
Originally by: Mr Broker
Originally by: speedek Yes they do.
Proof or stfu because your BOB tag doesn't hold any credibility since T20.
Jesus these guys realy have you tight as a string, don't they? I think he say "Yes" to the fact that there are ratters using macros (and that they also get banned).
Asking for proof of banning is kinda stupid, since CCP will say that it is between CCP and the banee (is there such a word?).
But then again, I forget that "they" has gotten to you, this was offcoutse a bold plan from you to expose Zee Ebil Maztah Plan, wasn't it, since you wanted speedek to show the proof and in doing so also proof that BoB => Devs => ASCN => CCP => CIA => The Ailiens That Has Infiltrated Earth...and that they are the real isk sellers
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Ephemeron
Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.29 13:51:00 -
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Originally by: CardboardSword42
The idea that CCP won't deal with isk farmers becuase they're in IAC is both ridiculously stupid and unfounded. If an account is found to have sold isk for real money, that account will be banned no matter what alliance or corporation that person is in. Having this corp in IAC has no bearing what so ever on their legitimacy in the eyes of a GM. In addition Tyrax pretty much agrees they're illegitimate but would rather make isk and not have them in his space than have to deal with them. Your arguments about why CCP are less likely do deal with farmers are totally warrantless.
And if CCP does ban them. Wouldn't CCP also have to punish the legitimate players for knowingly aiding isk farmers? Wouldn't CCP, at the very least, have to take away all the ISK that IAC recieved from these farmers?
Does IAC hope it'll never come to that?
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Mr Broker
Station Gremlings
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Posted - 2007.07.29 14:08:00 -
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Originally by: Kayleigh Lothian I think he say "Yes" to the fact that there are ratters using macros (and that they also get banned).
There are no ratting macros. Go ahead and even try to explain to me on how one would work.
Originally by: Kayleigh Lothian
Asking for proof of banning is kinda stupid, since CCP will say that it is between CCP and the banee (is there such a word?).
not when it comes to isk farmers, they are not privilieged with the privacy policy
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CardboardSword42
Applied Eugenics
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Posted - 2007.07.29 14:14:00 -
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Originally by: Ephemeron
Originally by: CardboardSword42
The idea that CCP won't deal with isk farmers becuase they're in IAC is both ridiculously stupid and unfounded. If an account is found to have sold isk for real money, that account will be banned no matter what alliance or corporation that person is in. Having this corp in IAC has no bearing what so ever on their legitimacy in the eyes of a GM. In addition Tyrax pretty much agrees they're illegitimate but would rather make isk and not have them in his space than have to deal with them. Your arguments about why CCP are less likely do deal with farmers are totally warrantless.
And if CCP does ban them. Wouldn't CCP also have to punish the legitimate players for knowingly aiding isk farmers? Wouldn't CCP, at the very least, have to take away all the ISK that IAC recieved from these farmers?
Does IAC hope it'll never come to that?
It's not aiding the isk farmers at all really. They're paying to rent hostile space, all they're doing is getting screwed out of a billion isk a week and potential ratting space because IAC prevents them from ratting in friendly space. They aren't aiding isk farmers really, just exploiting them.
Taking ingame isk for the use of space is not a EULA violation, IAC would not have violated the EULA because they did not pay real money for the isk. W
I'm Ex-Biomass, that makes me cool But now I'm KOS and that makes me cooler 8)
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Wanux
Mercurialis Inc. Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.07.29 14:23:00 -
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All I know is that whenever I saw their name I called them "Blue's Clues".
Because I just love that adorable blue dog. <3 |
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