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Barthezz
Paradox v2.0 Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.07.30 13:08:00 -
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Sok's at it again I see
/me waves to sok
Tbh I dont see why people care, first if they where isk-sellers they would be banned. Second, farming isnt a crime, if it was I'd be banned ages ago.
Perhaps their just misunderstood Chinese people that want a Titan and need isk !
And these isk farmers have been on PVP ops, and in force as well (last time I saw them it was I think 8-10 ravens, and couple of other ships). Perhaps their just bob spies/alts and its how bob gets their isk?
Anyways, its all one big witch hunt, if it doesnt speak english and rats in a raven (when your online), then obviously their online 23/7 and live in china, and farm isk for a living.
Even if that was all true, guys think of the Chinese children that now have a job farming isk who would otherwise starve to death because they cant pay for food !
(and now I've used [ : lol : ] enough )
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Sokratesz
Paradox v2.0 Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.07.30 13:08:00 -
[92]
Originally by: Butter Dog
I'm happy to engage you in a discussion. But to be honest, I suspect you lack the intellectual rigour to sustain such a conversation. However, you're welcome to prove me wrong. [/yellow]
Yeah i feel really intimidated now...ooooooohhh
try harder on the personal attacks. my mum died of cancer last year, that some material for consideration?
Quote: 4) I was under the impression you claimed Catch, which is where most of them seem to operate. You also have a large number of 'blues' from which farmers are effectively shielded.
5) Under what terms and conditions of employment do you think ISK farmers are engaged in the developing world? Their rates of pay, terms of employment, and working hours are completely out of line with what any reasonable person would call 'acceptable'. This is well documented, do a little research.
6) Clearly the moral and ethical implications come from the way in which ISK farmers are employed. Thats very much a 'real life' consideration, though no doubt it serves you well to trivialise the issue. Unfortunately for you, wishing these issues away does not work.
Now, you can either respond intelligently to my points, or I'd recommend you don't bother - you've already made yourself look rather foolish so be mindful of how low you go.
4) they paid us to rat in delve, which is hardly our space. they use catch as a base of ops of some kind, ive never seen them rat around there, go ask them if you really want to know..
5) As i said. i do not know however i can hardly make any difference to them by making a stand on the forums here
6) you give me an adress to send those poor sods some cash, ill happily comply. acting snobby about something like that does not get you any credit or free internets. i am not denying the problem im merely stating that we can hardly change it.
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Sokratesz
Paradox v2.0 Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.07.30 13:09:00 -
[93]
hey barth, sup, im having a great time here
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NATMav
F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control
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Posted - 2007.07.30 13:11:00 -
[94]
Butter Dog is just mad that he can't protect the ISK farmers flying under the veil of ISS neutrality anymore.
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Clean
Acceptable Losses
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Posted - 2007.07.30 13:20:00 -
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IAC is as much infested by those isk sellers as KOS is and just like KOS they dont give a **** cuz money comes into the wallet.
Some1 had to pay KIA for not beeing able to kick Outbreak outa Curse right ?
Anyway IAC just droped in honor terms as low as KOS and all this defending of isk famers/sellers no matter if they make thier money in Delive, Cache or Detorid no matter if they macro or account share doesnt make IAC looks any better imho
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Sokratesz
Paradox v2.0 Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.07.30 13:22:00 -
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Originally by: Clean IAC is as much infested by those isk sellers as KOS is and just like KOS they dont give a **** cuz money comes into the wallet.
Some1 had to pay KIA for not beeing able to kick Outbreak outa Curse right ?
Anyway IAC just droped in honor terms as low as KOS and all this defending of isk famers/sellers no matter if they make thier money in Delive, Cache or Detorid no matter if they macro or account share doesnt make IAC looks any better imho
nice sig dude
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Map Screen
Flat Earth Society Derek Knows Us
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Posted - 2007.07.30 13:25:00 -
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As has been stated many times before but which is constantly ignored by the idiots that keep posting about buescew, farming isk is not illegal, most people farm for isk in eve. SELLING ISK IS ILLEGAL, so if you have solid evidence that they are selling isk report it (looking at the bob guy with the signed confession), if not just stfu about foreign people playing eve.
As for the OP I'm sure Ephemeron is just saddened that his own extensive farming is being hampered by someone else.
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Ephemeron
Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.30 13:44:00 -
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Originally by: Map Screen As for the OP I'm sure Ephemeron is just saddened that his own extensive farming is being hampered by someone else.
I don't farm like they do. I don't always run when under attack. I certainly won't run and cloak simply cause someone entered local.
All the isk I make goes either to help my alliance or pimp my PvP ships. BoB and many of my other enemies can testify that the isk I make gets returned to community thru PvP.
How do all those farmers spend the isk? Has anyone seen them buy anything at all? They have to be making at least 2 billion a day. Where all that isk goes? They don't buy POS stuff, they don't pimp their ships, they only pay a small fraction to their "alliance".
They been farming for months, if not years. They gotta have over 300 billion by now since they save so much.
If CCP can present evidence that their isk is being spent on game stuff for valid game reasons, then I'll drop my case.
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Taurequis
Waylander 01
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Posted - 2007.07.30 13:50:00 -
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Hi,
Just had to add the passing comment before stepping back to watch this smear fest.
If people thing this corp is isk selling, REPORT THEM WITH EVIDENCE!
If CCP have investigated once, tracking isk from the various members accounts etc and nothing has come of it, THEN SURELY THIS SAYS SOMETHING!!
As mentioned before its not illigal to spend all your time npc'ing. So without any evidence saying their selling isk for real cash why should IAC not have them in their space?
Is it because some of their members are from the far east? That smacks of racism to me.
Step back, think about what evidence is available and then send a petition if you want. Sprouting off about this and that on the forums doesnt really get anyone anywhere.
Best Regards,
Taur
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Ephemeron
Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.30 14:03:00 -
[100]
Edited by: Ephemeron on 30/07/2007 14:11:03
Originally by: Taurequis As mentioned before its not illigal to spend all your time npc'ing. So without any evidence saying their selling isk for real cash why should IAC not have them in their space?
Is it because some of their members are from the far east? That smacks of racism to me. Taur
You missed the point where IAC admits to decieving and abusing that corp even tho it is in their alliance.
Even if buescrew is legit, surely you can't defend IAC for choosing to use such foul tactics? abusing their own member corp while it's too dumb to realize what's going on (probably not dumb, just clueless about the game cause all they care for is isk farming)
Any real corp would quickly figure out what is happening and realize that they don't need IAC.
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Sokratesz
Paradox v2.0 Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.07.30 14:04:00 -
[101]
Originally by: Taurequis Hi,
Just had to add the passing comment before stepping back to watch this smear fest.
If people thing this corp is isk selling, REPORT THEM WITH EVIDENCE!
If CCP have investigated once, tracking isk from the various members accounts etc and nothing has come of it, THEN SURELY THIS SAYS SOMETHING!!
As mentioned before its not illigal to spend all your time npc'ing. So without any evidence saying their selling isk for real cash why should IAC not have them in their space?
Is it because some of their members are from the far east? That smacks of racism to me.
Step back, think about what evidence is available and then send a petition if you want. Sprouting off about this and that on the forums doesnt really get anyone anywhere.
Best Regards,
Taur
i hope butter dog has a load of smack flame and troll prepared cause after such a sensible post the force needs to be brought to balance again!
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Saladin
Minmatar Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.07.30 14:09:00 -
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Edited by: Saladin on 30/07/2007 14:10:11 I have to say as much as I dislike isk farming, I really can't say I agree with all the people who are gung ho against sweatshop employees. They probably have it hard enough without everyone in EvE bullying them. You are never going to fix this problem on the supply side. There is a heavy demand for cash-to-isk transfers and as long as there is demand there will be people in some country who are desperate enough to subjugate themselves in this way. Maybe its better than working in a Burmese coal mine or prostituting themselves to tourists.
I've played EvE for over 4 years now, and in that time I have seen a number of people I have suspected of buying isk. They either flaunt it in TS, or they simply keep coming up with new ships and faction gear without any visible source of income, and then lose it all in the most cavalier manner. Would people report a suspected buyer to CCP if he was a wingman or corp-mate? Perhaps it is easier to just sit back and bully the isk farmers since you don't know them.
As for IAC, they can do as they wish. Some people can contribute to an alliance by pvp, others by isk. But taking their money and letting them get shot at by your allies, as though they were second class citizens? |
Barthezz
Paradox v2.0 Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.07.30 14:16:00 -
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Originally by: Ephemeron How do all those farmers spend the isk? Has anyone seen them buy anything at all? They have to be making at least 2 billion a day. Where all that isk goes? They don't buy POS stuff, they don't pimp their ships, they only pay a small fraction to their "alliance".
What do the carebear miners / mission runners in empire spend their isk on? They -must- sell their isk too I guess!
And their online more then you, so they must be 23/7 players? Do you have them in your address book to check if they -do- actually play that long?
No one says they arent isk hogs, but no one has proven that they sell isk. If anything, CCP has investigated them and they havent been banned so I'd assume their actually not isk sellers.
Perhaps in a month or 2-4 we will suddenly see buesrew in 20 motherships, dang IAC will be happy that they have them in the alliance
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cal nereus
Bounty Hunter - Dark Legion Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.30 14:16:00 -
[104]
Originally by: Saladin Edited by: Saladin on 30/07/2007 14:10:11 I have to say as much as I dislike isk farming, I really can't say I agree with all the people who are gung ho against sweatshop employees. They probably have it hard enough without everyone in EvE bullying them. You are never going to fix this problem on the supply side. There is a heavy demand for cash-to-isk transfers and as long as there is demand there will be people in some country who are desperate enough to subjugate themselves in this way. Maybe its better than working in a Burmese coal mine or prostituting themselves to tourists.
I've played EvE for over 4 years now, and in that time I have seen a number of people I have suspected of buying isk. They either flaunt it in TS, or they simply keep coming up with new ships and faction gear without any visible source of income, and then lose it all in the most cavalier manner. Would people report a suspected buyer to CCP if he was a wingman or corp-mate? Perhaps it is easier to just sit back and bully the isk farmers since you don't know them.
As for IAC, they can do as they wish.
I agree. ---
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Ephemeron
Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.30 14:20:00 -
[105]
Edited by: Ephemeron on 30/07/2007 14:21:12
Originally by: Barthezz Perhaps in a month or 2-4 we will suddenly see buesrew in 20 motherships, dang IAC will be happy that they have them in the alliance
Yea dream on. If there are real gamers behind the Ravens, they would turn those motherships on you for treating them like **** while pretending to be friends.
At least I don't pretend to be their friend.
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Mattduk
Gallente Universal Army
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Posted - 2007.07.30 14:44:00 -
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Originally by: Sokratesz Edited by: Sokratesz on 30/07/2007 13:03:36 Edited by: Sokratesz on 30/07/2007 13:02:29
Neither he nor his corp nor any of its members seem to have anything to do with me, my corp, IAC, farming or ISK selling.
You sure about that?
Quite the claim with zero research.
You never know.
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Butter Dog
The Littlest Hobos Betrayal Under Mayhem
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Posted - 2007.07.30 14:47:00 -
[107]
Originally by: Sokratesz
4) they paid us to rat in delve, which is hardly our space. they use catch as a base of ops of some kind, ive never seen them rat around there, go ask them if you really want to know..
5) As i said. i do not know however i can hardly make any difference to them by making a stand on the forums here
6) you give me an adress to send those poor sods some cash, ill happily comply. acting snobby about something like that does not get you any credit or free internets. i am not denying the problem im merely stating that we can hardly change it.
4) IAC ISK farmers operate throughout Catch. In fact its rare to enter a system in Catch which is worth ratting in, and not find a 24-7 CloakLogRaven flying under the IAC banner.
5) Ignorance is no excuse. You can't change anything on the forum but you can boot them from your alliance and stop making exuses.
6) So you acknowedge RL human rights abuses in ISK farming 'sweatshops', and then you say 'well we cannot do anything to change it'. Wrong. For a start, you can cut the crap, drop the excuses, and kick these corps from your alliance.
---------- signature removed - please do not discuss moderation in your signature graphic - Jacques([email protected])
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Mattduk
Gallente Universal Army
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Posted - 2007.07.30 14:51:00 -
[108]
Originally by: Sokratesz
Yeah i feel really intimidated now...ooooooohhh
try harder on the personal attacks. my mum died of cancer last year, that some material for consideration?
What the hell is wrong with you, dude? Show some respect, for god's sake, that's your mother you are talking about.
Jesus.
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Goktar illiat
Gallente DAB RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.30 15:04:00 -
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Originally by: Saladin Edited by: Saladin on 30/07/2007 14:10:11 I have to say as much as I dislike isk farming, I really can't say I agree with all the people who are gung ho against sweatshop employees. They probably have it hard enough without everyone in EvE bullying them.
Maybe its better than working in a Burmese coal mine or prostituting themselves to tourists.
Is that why MC have positive standings to this "suspected" farmer corp and have granted them docking rights in the north aswell ? civrea Corp.
So its also "an act of kindness" to pay for stuff made by kids ?
Its sad that so many are defending isk farmers..
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Proxay
Gallente Fallen Angel's Blade.
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Posted - 2007.07.30 15:26:00 -
[110]
[15:17:05] Tyrrax Thorrk > <b>I'M BOOTING BUESCREW</b>
[15:17:09] Tyrrax Thorrk > <b>MY E-HONOR DEMANDS IT</b>
Fallen Angel's Recruitment |
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Solid Wilko
Minmatar InNova Tech Inc
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Posted - 2007.07.30 15:27:00 -
[111]
Edited by: Solid Wilko on 30/07/2007 15:29:24 I couldn't be asked to read through all the personal attacks and eye hurting yellow text someone felt the need to post in but can someone answer these questions with a yes or no.
1) Do they sell isk for cash? 2) I farmed a triple Angel Spawn for 3 hours while semi-AFK reading Harry Potter. Can I be banned for farming? 3) If they are "farming" and CCP has investigated them and not banned them AND they show up on Alliance ops - should anyone care?
Please reply with simple yes or no's so I dont have to sift through a mountain of replys and possibly more eye hurting yellow text
Edit: Hahahaha I just noticed who the original poster was! Someone who used to be logged on 16 hours a day ratting in JWJ farming spawns with his domi and stiletto/black bird alt! Oh this is rich! Pot meet kettle!
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Teron D'Amun
The Burning Orphans Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.07.30 15:33:00 -
[112]
Originally by: Taurequis If people thing this corp is isk selling, REPORT THEM WITH EVIDENCE!
If CCP have investigated once, tracking isk from the various members accounts etc and nothing has come of it, THEN SURELY THIS SAYS SOMETHING!!
there is a faster way to get them banned than that have them post meatspin links repeatedly in the help channel as requirement to join your corp/alliance
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Proxay
Gallente Fallen Angel's Blade.
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Posted - 2007.07.30 15:34:00 -
[113]
Originally by: Teron D'Amun
Originally by: Taurequis If people thing this corp is isk selling, REPORT THEM WITH EVIDENCE!
If CCP have investigated once, tracking isk from the various members accounts etc and nothing has come of it, THEN SURELY THIS SAYS SOMETHING!!
there is a faster way to get them banned than that have them post meatspin links repeatedly in the help channel as requirement to join your corp/alliance
Winner.
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GO MaZ
Spartan Industries
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Posted - 2007.07.30 15:35:00 -
[114]
Originally by: Butter Dog
blah blah supposed "moral high ground" crap
Please get off your high horse. You have absolutely no way to prove that they are ISK farmers other than the fact they fly ravens & cloak when you enter local (A good plan really, considering your absolutely terrible local smack).
Your entire argument is based on the assumed "fact" that they are indeed ISK farmers, selling their ISK for real life currency and that they work out of a sweat shop.
PROVE IT OR **** OFF
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Sokratesz
Paradox v2.0 Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.07.30 15:36:00 -
[115]
Major lulz to be found in this thread.
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Solid Wilko
Minmatar InNova Tech Inc
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Posted - 2007.07.30 15:38:00 -
[116]
Edit: Hahahaha I just noticed who the original poster was! Someone who used to be logged on 16 hours a day ratting in JWJ farming spawns with his domi and stiletto/black bird alt! Oh this is rich! Pot meet kettle! Ban him hes an isk farmer!
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GO MaZ
Spartan Industries
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Posted - 2007.07.30 15:41:00 -
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I'd be much more worried about Jim Lovell being an ISK farmer than buesrew tbh - KICK HIM IAC!
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Ephemeron
Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.30 15:47:00 -
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Originally by: Solid Wilko Edit: Hahahaha I just noticed who the original poster was! Someone who used to be logged on 16 hours a day ratting in JWJ farming spawns with his domi and stiletto/black bird alt! Oh this is rich! Pot meet kettle! Ban him hes an isk farmer!
nah ah
I do often use tactic of staying cloaked AFK to scare the local farmers. You should remember that JWJ was hostile space to me. I was there to hurt people, as well as farm Don't deny that I haven't killed you
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Solid Wilko
Minmatar InNova Tech Inc
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Posted - 2007.07.30 16:16:00 -
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Can't deny you've killed me/I've killed you but how is you sitting there cloaked in hostile space and ratting when its clear for isk too much different then what you are claiming these others are doing(Assuming they arent selling isk for cash)?
Ahhh good times fighting your domi!
reposted with my main cuz I'm a nub
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Sokratesz
Paradox v2.0 Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.07.30 16:17:00 -
[120]
Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: GO MaZ
Originally by: Butter Dog
blah blah supposed "moral high ground" crap
Please get off your high horse. You have absolutely no way to prove that they are ISK farmers other than the fact they fly ravens & cloak when you enter local (A good plan really, considering your absolutely terrible local smack).
Your entire argument is based on the assumed "fact" that they are indeed ISK farmers, selling their ISK for real life currency and that they work out of a sweat shop.
PROVE IT OR **** OFF
IAC have already admitted they know they are farmers, so what is your point?
Stop trying to make a point out of that, cause there isnt. Every once in awhile i 'farm' for ISK too, you gonna hate me for that as well?
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