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CCP kieron
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Posted - 2007.07.26 17:06:00 -
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On Tuesday, 31 July, Tranquility will experience an extended downtime period from 0400 through 1200 GMT. During this time, we will upgrade some of our software from SQL Server 2005 to Enterprise SP2. At the same time, we will replace all of our SQL hardware.
On Thursday, 2 August, we will expand our solid state storage to 256 GB by adding another RAMSAN unit. This upgrade will not require any additional downtime.
As with any extended downtime such as Tuesday's, we recommend training a skill with a long learning time.
kieron Director of Community Relations, EVE Online EVE Online, CCP Games Email/Netfang Look Ma, I'm in a Dev thread! Oh wait... |
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Plib
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Posted - 2007.07.26 17:21:00 -
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Cool!
Just in time for my week off :D
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Andrue
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.07.26 17:21:00 -
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Originally by: Plib Cool!
Just in time for my week off :D
Blasted alts. -- (Battle hardened industrialist)
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Storm Shadw
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Posted - 2007.07.26 17:24:00 -
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Edited by: Storm Shadw on 26/07/2007 17:29:52 good to hear.
Will this upgrade give any proformance increases with contracts and markets etc
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Dagrin RDM
Caldari The Knights of the New Republic Giant Space Amoeba
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Posted - 2007.07.26 17:29:00 -
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Originally by: Plib Cool!
Just in time for my week off :D
cool!
The week before my week off
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DRMALIKIA
United Technologies
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Posted - 2007.07.26 17:45:00 -
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Edited by: DRMALIKIA on 26/07/2007 17:45:40 Without reading the entire brochure of information that the RAMSAN has to offer, I am going to tack a cr@ck at what it does.
Gigantic RAM hard drive? Faster data in and out since you are not writing to or reading from a hard disc?
Or is this a hybrid version that has a large RAM array that then does the slower writing recording to the hard disc in the background?
Just curious. Ooh and 256 Gig, that is pretty damn small, they don't make lareger versions? 1 Terrabyte +. I would think with the amount of data that EVE generates on a second by second basis, that you would need a larger amount of active, fast data shuffling going on at one given time. Or to compensate for spikes in data traffic etc.
Anyway, I have no clue what I am talking about, lol.
Originally by: CrestoftheStars if you don't bother to read the tread could you pls keep your comment out of it ? please:) |
Li nee
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Posted - 2007.07.26 17:52:00 -
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Hehe
I love it when non IT bods spout rubbish, 256Gb of RAMSAN is a stonkingly fast way for processing the mega amounts of data generated by eve.
So good for CCP in upgrading to bigger and better software and hardware.
Keep the good work up guys.
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Jehuty Vanricadia
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.07.26 17:55:00 -
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Edited by: Jehuty Vanricadia on 26/07/2007 17:55:54
Originally by: DRMALIKIA Edited by: DRMALIKIA on 26/07/2007 17:45:40 Just curious. Ooh and 256 Gig, that is pretty damn small, they don't make lareger versions? 1 Terrabyte +. I would think with the amount of data that EVE generates on a second by second basis, that you would need a larger amount of active, fast data shuffling going on at one given time. Or to compensate for spikes in data traffic etc.
Last time I looked the these used to cost around 200 thousand dollars. Mind that was a couple months ago. So I doubt they would be throwing in terabyte drives in anytime soon.
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Foot M
FM Corp Insomnia.
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Posted - 2007.07.26 18:04:00 -
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why not? they gross about 2.5 million dollars a month from us.
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Niccolado Starwalker
Shadow Templars
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Posted - 2007.07.26 18:08:00 -
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Edited by: Niccolado Starwalker on 26/07/2007 18:08:51
Originally by: CCP kieron On Tuesday, 31 July, Tranquility will experience an extended downtime period from 0400 through 1200 GMT. During this time, we will upgrade some of our software from SQL Server 2005 to Enterprise SP2. At the same time, we will replace all of our SQL hardware.
On Thursday, 2 August, we will expand our solid state storage to 256 GB by adding another RAMSAN unit. This upgrade will not require any additional downtime.
As with any extended downtime, we recommend training a skill with a long learning time.
I see you are adding another RAMSAN! Excellent!! But I wonder... Who's Lamborghini Have CCP sold this time?
Originally by: Splagada you're on eve-o, just go for blunt insults and random crap, please!
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Hamfast
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.07.26 18:13:00 -
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Originally by: Foot M why not? they gross about 2.5 million dollars a month from us.
Gross perhaps, but I am guessing net is a lot less... and expansions are done on net profits, not gross profits.
None of us is as dumb as all of us...
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Blane Xero
Amarr The Firestorm Elite
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Posted - 2007.07.26 18:26:00 -
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Gl for a flawless patch, your patching during my sleeping time, so no complaints from me
Also, Gl with the RAMSAN thing
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Real Poison
Minmatar Mutually Assured Destruction
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Posted - 2007.07.26 18:29:00 -
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and for those who wonder:
"A RamSan drive has an access time of 15 microseconds, 250 times faster than a hard disk drive. A good hard disk drive provides 250-300 random I/O's per second. InfiniBand-based RamSan drives offer up to 50,000 random IOPS per single-ported controller, 200,000 random IOPS with four controllers."
it's speed is measured in MICROseconds not MILIseconds like standard harddisks.
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Salvis Tallan
Gallente The Shadow Order The Shadow Ascension
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Posted - 2007.07.26 18:29:00 -
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woohoo! my current skill finishes wednesday! ------
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SonOTassadar
The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc. Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2007.07.26 18:43:00 -
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Edited by: SonOTassadar on 26/07/2007 18:43:57
Originally by: Foot M why not? they gross about 2.5 million dollars a month from us.
That's under the assumption that everyone pays monthly, instead of on 3, 6, or 12 month intervals. It's actually somewhere between 1.9 million and 2.6 million.
Having said that, it's still a lot of God damned money.
Finally, the net profit point that has already been made is a valid one. The cost of overhead just to maintain the servers and pay employees alone is staggering. ----- Griffin -- 100,000 ISK ECM - Multispectral Jammer Is -- 20,000 ISK Standard Missile Launcher Is -- 10,000 ISK War target sobbing over losing a fight in his T2 fitted Battleship -- priceless |
Laramon Questor
Minmatar Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
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Posted - 2007.07.26 18:47:00 -
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I've been wanting to upgrade to RAMSAN for a long time now. Closest thing for the consumer market is the i-RAM by Gigabyte, and it only handles up to 4GB.
Anyone interested in the performance potential of the i-RAM, here's a linkie
And if the consumer level product can perform this good, imagine what commercial level does...
Good to hear things are improving.
Even after failure, there can be redemption.
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Victor Valka
Caldari Archon Industries
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Posted - 2007.07.26 18:47:00 -
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Originally by: Real Poison and for those who wonder:
"A RamSan drive has an access time of 15 microseconds, 250 times faster than a hard disk drive. A good hard disk drive provides 250-300 random I/O's per second. InfiniBand-based RamSan drives offer up to 50,000 random IOPS per single-ported controller, 200,000 random IOPS with four controllers."
it's speed is measured in MICROseconds not MILIseconds like standard harddisks.
Give! Now!
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Draconus Lofwyr
Eternal Guardians Corp. The Covenant Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.26 19:30:00 -
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the RAMSAN is a solid state disk array, or a raid array of Flash memory drives that have recently come available in some laptops. As they have no disk platers, the speed and reliability are greatly increased. As is the cost. But as a solid state flash drive, they are non-volatile, so they do not loose data if un-powered for long durations.
The Gigabyte I-ram is a ram drive backed up by battery that they estimate to last 4 hrs unplugged.
This is probably also for the Database servers as they can be hot plugged and databases moved on the fly. This should improve database access by at least a factor of 2 as they can distribute the database across the existing and the new array while running.
Personally, as an IT person myself, I am drooling over the hardware myself
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WhitePhantom
Gallente Edenists
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Posted - 2007.07.26 19:43:00 -
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They are also adding another 256GB drive, they could already have more then one already installed.
Why waste money for future storage space and only increase it by 33 percent when you go past the 50% storage space.
256GB is alot of storage space and its more effective to buy 2 of these drives over the course of 6 months for example, then buy one 512GB drive now. Give the fact the larger drive will sell for a much lower price when they desire increase their storage space by more then 33%
* 33% is an example I took a guess and say they have 3 of these drives now. Adding another drive give them an increase of about 33% which seems like a smart move.
** If they have less then 3 drives its 50%( if they have 2 ) and 100% ( if they have 1 )
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Scorpyn
Caldari Infinitus Odium The Church.
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Posted - 2007.07.26 19:50:00 -
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Originally by: DRMALIKIA Or is this a hybrid version that has a large RAM array that then does the slower writing recording to the hard disc in the background?
If I understand it correctly, it has the same amount of ram as hdd space, and is continously writing to the hdd when the data is changing in order to keep a backup in case of power failure. It also has ups:es, in case there actually is a power failure, in order to make it possible to complete the backup.
All normal operation reading and writing is done with the ram though.
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Allen Ramses
Caldari Typo Corp
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Posted - 2007.07.26 20:05:00 -
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This upgrade will hopefully put an end to these unscheduled daily downtimes, correct? ____________________ Pimped out Raven to run level 4 missions quickly: 210 Mil ISK. Realizing your 120 Mil ISK Drake gets the job done faster: Priceless. |
F2C MaDMaXX
The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.07.26 20:18:00 -
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I want to know what the current SQL hardware is and what it's beign replaced by :)
I beleive they have 2 RAMSAM uniots already, they definitely have 1, but i can't remember if they ever got round to adding the second.
Does anyone know the implications of moving from the (recently upgraded) SQL 2005 to the Enterprise edition?
I'm also wanting to know if the TQ hardware that has been faulty and therfore missing from the server for the last couple of months has been replaced yet?
Last February, we had the IT guy's wet dream with a complete server replacement with some juicy details and specs. It's nice to know the current state and how it's all going. ______________________________________ Natural Selection Developer
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Chronus26
Gallente Team Laser Explosion Molotov Coalition
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Posted - 2007.07.26 20:22:00 -
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Fancy stuff.
I remember when they added the first RAMSAN doodad, there was quite a noticable improvment in server response time. Lets hope this one is the same. -----
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SiJira
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Posted - 2007.07.26 20:27:00 -
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Wow this is huge!
It is going to help with the need for speed a lot! ____ __ ________ _sig below_ devs and gms cant modify my sig if they tried! |
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CCP Explorer
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Posted - 2007.07.26 20:46:00 -
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Originally by: Draconus Lofwyr the RAMSAN is a solid state disk array, or a raid array of Flash memory drives that have recently come available in some laptops. As they have no disk platers, the speed and reliability are greatly increased. As is the cost. But as a solid state flash drive, they are non-volatile, so they do not loose data if un-powered for long durations.
The RamSan uses DDR RAM as its primary storage, which is volatile. The unit itself is non-volatile because it has three redundant internal UPSs and four internal backup hard drives. The read and writes are done through the DDR RAM and then changes are backed up to the disks.
We are adding to our current RamSan installation. The database is larger and less used data and archives are stored on regular disk arrays. All hot stuff is stored on the RamSans.
Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson Software Director EVE Online, CCP Games |
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Mallikan
Gallente Subach-Tech FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.26 20:59:00 -
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Any chance of seeing pictures of the EVE supercomputer? Any chances of me getting flamed for calling it "the EVE supercomputer" ? ;)
This is all well and good, looking forward to the results. --- Proud Member of FATAL Alliance |
PROTOCOL
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Posted - 2007.07.26 21:03:00 -
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Quote: I've been wanting to upgrade to RAMSAN for a long time now. Closest thing for the consumer market is the i-RAM by Gigabyte, and it only handles up to 4GB.
Anyone interested in the performance potential of the i-RAM, here's a linkie
And if the consumer level product can perform this good, imagine what commercial level does...
Good to hear things are improving.
There are consumer solid state drives out there for your various bus types, some of these use different technologies. Take a look at some of the Disk on Module (DOM) technologies. There are also a number of solutions for ide/scsi/sata/fibre that utilize flash technology. You won't find these drives in high capacities like you see with a conventional HDD, but most are reasonably priced for the techie. Most of the big pc manuf. are also shipping higher end machines with these drives in them.
just adding my .02 to this discussion.
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Odhinn Vinlandii
Minmatar Elite Storm Enterprises Storm Armada
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Posted - 2007.07.26 21:09:00 -
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Edited by: Odhinn Vinlandii on 26/07/2007 21:09:39 Well theres your problem... your running a Microsoft product. There is enough info on the web that you shouldn't had made this mistake to begin with. You really ought to have known better.
"Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it"
Microsoft sells broken products... You wouldn't buy an overpriced brand new car with a cr a cked engine would you?
...and if you would, please contact me.
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Also, fix the stuck standings, it's been a few days now and you havn't even admited to the problem yet.
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HeadMasterPL
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Posted - 2007.07.26 21:12:00 -
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Originally by: F2C MaDMaXX
Does anyone know the implications of moving from the (recently upgraded) SQL 2005 to the Enterprise edition?
I sincerely hope CCP already had Enterprise level SQL Server, and Tuesday upgrade is for SP2 on it. As for SP2, I also hope they also tested and will apply MS hotfixes to it, as amount of bugs discovered since SP2 appeared early spring is depressing :/ Anyway, it could lead in some scenarios to decent performance gains, hope it will be in case of EVE...
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Marus Safeld
Caldari Trojans Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.26 21:19:00 -
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Originally by: Mallikan Any chance of seeing pictures of the EVE supercomputer? Any chances of me getting flamed for calling it "the EVE supercomputer" ? ;)
There wouldnt be much to see... it's probably consiting of a crap load of racks.
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Clearleaf
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Posted - 2007.07.26 22:06:00 -
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Originally by: Marus Safeld
Originally by: Mallikan Any chance of seeing pictures of the EVE supercomputer? Any chances of me getting flamed for calling it "the EVE supercomputer" ? ;)
There wouldnt be much to see... it's probably consiting of a crap load of racks.
yea but the room with the blinking lights is the coolest room of them all!
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Skullet4000
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Posted - 2007.07.26 22:16:00 -
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Originally by: Odhinn Vinlandii Edited by: Odhinn Vinlandii on 26/07/2007 21:09:39 Well theres your problem... your running a Microsoft product. There is enough info on the web that you shouldn't had made this mistake to begin with. You really ought to have known better.
"Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it"
Microsoft sells broken products... You wouldn't buy an overpriced brand new car with a cr a cked engine would you?
...and if you would, please contact me.
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Also, fix the stuck standings, it's been a few days now and you havn't even admited to the problem yet.
Speaking of broken things your post reminds me somewhat of a broken record, I'm guessing your either a Linux or Mac zealot which is kinda sad in its own little way. PC users just get on with it and enjoy what they have, if Macs and Linux are so great then why do there users spend most of there time crying about Microsoft? ;)
On another note the new hardware/software changes are sounding sweet, heres hoping it goes smoothly and things are running super speedy before we know it. :)
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Odhinn Vinlandii
Minmatar Elite Storm Enterprises Storm Armada
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Posted - 2007.07.26 22:52:00 -
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Originally by: Skullet4000
Originally by: Odhinn Vinlandii Speaking of broken things your post reminds me somewhat of a broken record, I'm guessing your either a Linux or Mac zealot which is kinda sad in its own little way. PC users just get on with it and enjoy what they have, if Macs and Linux are so great then why do there users spend most of there time crying about Microsoft? ;)
On another note the new hardware/software changes are sounding sweet, heres hoping it goes smoothly and things are running super speedy before we know it. :)
Talk to me when your a data security admin for a global corporation.
Until then save your 'one size fits all or else' rhetoric for your blue screen.
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Lord Matrix
PBA Corporation
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Posted - 2007.07.26 23:00:00 -
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What version of Microsoft SQL server are you currently running? Are you still on 2000?
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Cortei
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Posted - 2007.07.26 23:08:00 -
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The way I understand the news feed is that the RAMSAN unit is upgrading their current volatile DDR memory to 256 GB. The unit mentioned could be anywhere from 4 GB to 128 GB (128 GB is their upper end at RAMSAN without entering drastic price hikes for networking multiple 128 GB drives together).
From looking at the information on the site and having worked at my college's IT department for most of my tuition payment last semester, this definitely would help the servers with frequent information exchanges and database call-ups). I will not make any great predictions, as Computer Science is not my major, and what little experience I have with server technology is trashing an old one and the rough hardware installation of a new one. I mainly did software setup. I had the great opportunity of installing Vista on 200 computers, and then uninstalling it from those same computers two weeks later.
I look forward to these new updates, particularly the SP2 update. The grief you guys at CCP will feel in the following weeks will in the end benefit your customers, so buck up and good luck.
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Skullet4000
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Posted - 2007.07.26 23:12:00 -
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Originally by: Odhinn Vinlandii
Originally by: Skullet4000
Originally by: Odhinn Vinlandii Speaking of broken things your post reminds me somewhat of a broken record, I'm guessing your either a Linux or Mac zealot which is kinda sad in its own little way. PC users just get on with it and enjoy what they have, if Macs and Linux are so great then why do there users spend most of there time crying about Microsoft? ;)
On another note the new hardware/software changes are sounding sweet, heres hoping it goes smoothly and things are running super speedy before we know it. :)
Talk to me when your a data security admin for a global corporation.
Until then save your 'one size fits all or else' rhetoric for your blue screen.
How do you know I'm not already one? presumptions my friend are always just that. Also your inability to master basic grammar in your previous post even after an edit doesn't inspire much confidence.
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EscapeArtist
Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.07.26 23:13:00 -
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Originally by: CCP kieron On Tuesday, 31 July, Tranquility will experience an extended downtime period from 0400 through 1200 GMT. During this time, we will upgrade some of our software from SQL Server 2005 to Enterprise SP2. At the same time, we will replace all of our SQL hardware.
So, let me get this straight, you run your database on SQL Server 2005? Microsoft SQL Server 2005?
Lets be clear you have 30,000 consecutive connections and your database is housed on a Windows platform? If I'm wrong please shout it out, but if I am right you all need your heads checked...!
I don't like to trust a windows environment or MS SQL Server in RL with more than a couple of thousand concurrent connection in my line of work.
Jesus guys, I hope its not one of the main DB, or this will totally explain to me why we have so many problems.
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ITBob
Caldari Waste Management Mining and Manufacturing
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Posted - 2007.07.27 00:13:00 -
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I love it when you speak geek to me! Now if only I could get my wife to do that too!
Originally by: CCP kieron On Tuesday, 31 July, Tranquility will experience an extended downtime period from 0400 through 1200 GMT. During this time, we will upgrade some of our software from SQL Server 2005 to Enterprise SP2. At the same time, we will replace all of our SQL hardware.
On Thursday, 2 August, we will expand our solid state storage to 256 GB by adding another RAMSAN unit. This upgrade will not require any additional downtime.
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D'Agnon Anasazi
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Posted - 2007.07.27 00:22:00 -
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we will replace all of our database hardware.
HMMMM, a fairly scary thought! I hope this hardware upgrade takes into account future (Rev 3)deployments. It is clear that new versions have been rolled out too soon without infrastructure upgrades to support them. Too many "unscheduled" downtimes and "emergency" patches. This game played very nicely in Red Moon Rising (with some lag) and has had nothing but issues since Revelations came out. The RAMSAN looks really nice, keep it up CCP and (OOPS it just rebooted my client!?!)so I will spare the praise until August 3rd!
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Pasta Fagioli
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Posted - 2007.07.27 01:30:00 -
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Edited by: Pasta****ioli on 27/07/2007 01:32:25
Originally by: CCP kieron On Tuesday, 31 July, Tranquility will experience an extended downtime period from 0400 through 1200 GMT. During this time, we will upgrade some of our software from SQL Server 2005 to Enterprise SP2. At the same time, we will replace all of our SQL hardware.
I have a better suggestion. Ditch the Windows crap, go to UNIX and run Oracle. Better performance and better scalability.
On another note, stop cutting into my play time. It's bad enough that my weekend is ****** because I'll be upgrading my clients reporting system, but you have to knock out 6 hours of my actual play time tonight too?
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Broken Star
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2007.07.27 01:36:00 -
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Originally by: Pasta****ioli Edited by: Pasta****ioli on 27/07/2007 01:32:25
Originally by: CCP kieron On Tuesday, 31 July, Tranquility will experience an extended downtime period from 0400 through 1200 GMT. During this time, we will upgrade some of our software from SQL Server 2005 to Enterprise SP2. At the same time, we will replace all of our SQL hardware.
I have a better suggestion. Ditch the Windows crap, go to UNIX and run Oracle. Better performance and better scalability.
AIX 4 LIFE!
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SexxxSlave
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Posted - 2007.07.27 01:56:00 -
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Originally by: Li nee Hehe
I love it when non IT bods spout rubbish
and I love it when people feel the need to pick at those who arent SUPERIORLY IT versed. STFU and educate without the flames.
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Skullet4000
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Posted - 2007.07.27 02:14:00 -
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Originally by: SexxxSlave
Originally by: Li nee Hehe
I love it when non IT bods spout rubbish
and I love it when people feel the need to pick at those who arent SUPERIORLY IT versed. STFU and educate without the flames.
Ah thats the thing with IT boffins, they always have a load of smart answers to a problem, unless its actually there job to fix said problem then cue much head scratching.
IT handbook Step 1: Tell them to reboot the machine. Step 2: Blame operator error and wash hands of problem.
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Tallain
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Posted - 2007.07.27 02:24:00 -
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Edited by: Tallain on 27/07/2007 02:25:30
Originally by: Broken Star
AIX 4 LIFE!
Ahhhhh... wouldn't that be just great... p570's (better yet, p590/5), with the new power6 processors... and an IBM DS8300 backing it, in addition to the RAMSAN..
Great job on the RAMSAN CCP... Can't say much for Microsoft SQL... funny that they put the enterprise name on it, and people thing it's an enterprise class product.
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Siannarah
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Posted - 2007.07.27 03:50:00 -
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Tranquility
would it not be cool to see a pic of Tranquility?
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Mecinia Lua
Galactic Express Frontier Trade League
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Posted - 2007.07.27 04:12:00 -
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Yay the third tuesday in a row where we have extended downtime.
Basically means I can't play at all Monday night due to this and haven't been able to play much the last two Monday nights, why because that's my night off and you always do these extended downtimes during it.
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Vladimir Ilych
Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2007.07.27 06:16:00 -
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Originally by: Foot M why not? they gross about 2.5 million dollars a month from us.
Because everyone at CCP works for free? Try guessing what the payroll is first.
As I recall this is the 3rd RAMSAN. The others certainly made a difference.
And I am sure CCP can read the MS whitepapers on what SQL server 2005 can and cannot do. When they decide it is no longer viable and need to move to another DB product I am sure they will.
Yay for Yarrrrdware!
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Vladimir Ilych
Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2007.07.27 06:19:00 -
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Edited by: Vladimir Ilych on 27/07/2007 06:19:19
It would look like a server room on which people spend money. As opposed to the one I look after that looks like one where people spend money only if they have too.
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Ron Dax
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Posted - 2007.07.27 06:51:00 -
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I have to say I'm very impressed about CCP. I played lots of other mmos in the last 8 years and all I can say how you guys handle those problems are fantastic! Taking in mind of how much paying customers you guys have. I mean we are not talking about blizzard here and they prob. wouldn't invest in new hardware like you did. Cause what they do is that they just build a new server farm and tell people to move on the fresh server instead of upgrading their 4 years old hardware. I'm really impressed, other not named companies who have/had speed problems with their servers just lowered the number of players each server with some kind of horrible crowed control system or did other nasty things. You guys you upgrade your hardware.
Did I already say that I'm really really impressed?
Great job ccp!
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Astro Teller
Milf Riders
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Posted - 2007.07.27 06:56:00 -
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old news
it has happened before
----Astro Teller
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Vladimir Ilych
Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2007.07.27 07:10:00 -
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Originally by: Astro Teller old news
it has happened before
and it is happening again. Not a bad thing is it?
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Nofonno
Amarr Free Traders
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Posted - 2007.07.27 07:35:00 -
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Edited by: Nofonno on 27/07/2007 07:41:05
Originally by: EscapeArtist
So, let me get this straight, you run your database on SQL Server 2005? Microsoft SQL Server 2005?
Lets be clear you have 30,000 consecutive connections and your database is housed on a Windows platform? If I'm wrong please shout it out, but if I am right you all need your heads checked...!
I don't like to trust a windows environment or MS SQL Server in RL with more than a couple of thousand concurrent connection in my line of work.
Jesus guys, I hope its not one of the main DB, or this will totally explain to me why we have so many problems.
Sooo /signed. Not a truckload of RAMSANs and sold Lamborghinis will help you when you're running, say, not-so-reliable software. And, for crying out loud, there's Oracle 10g to download freely.
For the others: if I recall properly, EVE runs on an IBM blade system, so you might want to take a look here.
Originally by: Broken Star
AIX 4 LIFE!
I cannot say I'm fond of the Big Blue. The best UNIX implementation has already been buried (I'm talking about Tru64 by DEC) and what I personally would favour is Solaris... Unices are definitely the way to go in such enterprise. A scientist must be an optimist at heart - to have the strength to rally against a chorus of voices saying "it cannot be done". |
Aleksandr Cirtus
Caldari Stronghold corp Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.27 08:17:00 -
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Windows, UNIX, who cares?
I like air better. Please stop wasting air. Air helps keep people alive.
Cheers from one of those rare magnanimous intellegent individuals. We do exist.
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Mashie Saldana
Hooligans Of War
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Posted - 2007.07.27 08:33:00 -
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So another 256GB of RAMSan love to be added, that should bring it up to something like 768GB then?
How big is the database in total?
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Althea Nar'agh
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.07.27 09:01:00 -
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Originally by: Odhinn Vinlandii Edited by: Odhinn Vinlandii on 26/07/2007 21:09:39 Well theres your problem... your running a Microsoft product. There is enough info on the web that you shouldn't had made this mistake to begin with. You really ought to have known better.
"Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it"
Microsoft sells broken products... You wouldn't buy an overpriced brand new car with a cr a cked engine would you?
...and if you would, please contact me.
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Also, fix the stuck standings, it's been a few days now and you havn't even admited to the problem yet.
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Andulica
Minmatar Rising Sun Inc.
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Posted - 2007.07.27 09:15:00 -
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Originally by: Mashie Saldana So another 256GB of RAMSan love to be added, that should bring it up to something like 768GB then?
How big is the database in total?
From what I understand they are expanding the memory TO 256GB, not BY 256GB. Sounds a bit less impressive, however considering the hardware i guess we can let them off ;)
Thanks CCP, here's to a relatively trouble-free (spark/fire free) upgrade.
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FireFoxx80
Caldari E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.07.27 09:18:00 -
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Edited by: FireFoxx80 on 27/07/2007 09:18:35 Yes, CCP using MS SQL makes the database pandas cry; but you lot claiming to be IT security experts and slamming CCP for not using unix, just makes the pandas want to cut themselves and end it all.
*emo panda*
The fact of the matter is, MS SQL is an Enterprise product, and CCP are using it for their data layer. Unless you want to see a ton of CCP staff laid off for not having *nix experience, no Eve development for 18 months whilst they recode to a *nix platform, and potentially more bugs with the move to a *nix platform; I suggest you STFU and deal with the fact that CCP uses MS products.
More RAMSAN = Good More Servers = Good More Yarrdware = Good
For the record, I think it's something like 2-3 RAMSANS, 68 dual-processor AMD blades, and a tonne of of other unspecified hardware.
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Eleana Tomelac
Gallente Defcon One
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Posted - 2007.07.27 09:35:00 -
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Originally by: Andulica From what I understand they are expanding the memory TO 256GB, not BY 256GB. Sounds a bit less impressive, however considering the hardware i guess we can let them off ;)
You're right, it's TO 256GB.
From the ramsan product page : Capacity 32-128 GB So, no, they can't add 256GB at once, it's not available or the page isn't up to date (which I doubt, they would advertize much if they got a new high-end product).
Originally by: FireFoxx80 Yes, CCP using MS SQL makes the database pandas cry; but you lot claiming to be IT security experts and slamming CCP for not using unix, just makes the pandas want to cut themselves and end it all.
I agree, why talking trash about something that works? Maybe it's not perfect, but would it be BETTER with Oracle (which I appreciate much, but that's another subject)? Is the database having dirty crashes? Seems no, each time I saw TQ going down for database, it began to be more and more laggy, so going to unix or his friends won't help, the server seems stable, it's more about a glitch between queries and the optimizer that's messing sometimes, but I guess that if you guys at CCP upgrade the DB version it's that it should help.
Originally by: FireFoxx80 For the record, I think it's something like 2-3 RAMSANS, 68 dual-processor AMD blades, and a tonne of of other unspecified hardware.
This sounds so nice to my ears!
To the CCP staff : Continue with this great series of updates/upgrades, you're showing us what is the result of long work that players couldn't see the progress, that will maybe quiet the critics you don't deserve.
By the way, how's doing the graphic upgrade? Because after server software, hardware, database, the next step is the client... Could you show us some new screenshots of renewed ship models (one you didn't show yet ), new special effects, well, some nice stuff to make us wait. -- Pocket drone carriers (tm) enthousiast ! The Vexor Navy Issue is much more fun than the Myrmidon !
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Mashie Saldana
Hooligans Of War
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Posted - 2007.07.27 10:24:00 -
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Originally by: Andulica From what I understand they are expanding the memory TO 256GB, not BY 256GB. Sounds a bit less impressive, however considering the hardware i guess we can let them off ;)
Doh, note to self to not read or post on the forum while half asleep.
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Bacci Galu
Confederation of Red Moon Red Moon Federation
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Posted - 2007.07.27 11:31:00 -
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Edited by: Bacci Galu on 27/07/2007 11:32:55 Ramsan == glorified vista readyboost
(JOKES !!!!!!)
ps i have actually played with one, but not quite that big tho lol)
pss readyboost sucks
psss good luck with the upgrade
pssss nothing wrong with ms sql 2005, stop assuming "sql vs any other dbs" is the same argument as "ms windows vs other os's"
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Countess Markievicz
Gallente 0-Deflex
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Posted - 2007.07.27 11:53:00 -
[61]
At least it shows that CCP do take problems seriously, all we can ask for really. Just hope it all goes well for the future of the game we all like so much much.
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Krezeb
Caldari Ginnungagaps Rymdfarargille Tre Kroner
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Posted - 2007.07.27 12:10:00 -
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Yarrdware ftw! -----
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NeoTheo
Caldari Dark Materials
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Posted - 2007.07.27 12:16:00 -
[63]
Originally by: Odhinn Vinlandii
Originally by: Skullet4000
Originally by: Odhinn Vinlandii Speaking of broken things your post reminds me somewhat of a broken record, I'm guessing your either a Linux or Mac zealot which is kinda sad in its own little way. PC users just get on with it and enjoy what they have, if Macs and Linux are so great then why do there users spend most of there time crying about Microsoft? ;)
On another note the new hardware/software changes are sounding sweet, heres hoping it goes smoothly and things are running super speedy before we know it. :)
Talk to me when your a data security admin for a global corporation.
Until then save your 'one size fits all or else' rhetoric for your blue screen.
I am, and people who pish pish1 product over another without checking the job your are trying to achieve are frankly small minded and awful at there jobs.
i see them every day, in fact i spend most of my time cleaning up the mess they make.
even a generally inferior platform can be the best at a certain job, if you bother to check what it should be doing.
that and the fact i see so many awfully configured linux systems that are infact more insecure than a standard windoes install simply because the admin was told that linux is secure and he does not have a scoobeydoo how to configure the box.
hooohum.
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NeoTheo
Caldari Dark Materials
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Posted - 2007.07.27 12:19:00 -
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Originally by: Nofonno Edited by: Nofonno on 27/07/2007 07:41:05
Originally by: EscapeArtist
So, let me get this straight, you run your database on SQL Server 2005? Microsoft SQL Server 2005?
Lets be clear you have 30,000 consecutive connections and your database is housed on a Windows platform? If I'm wrong please shout it out, but if I am right you all need your heads checked...!
I don't like to trust a windows environment or MS SQL Server in RL with more than a couple of thousand concurrent connection in my line of work.
Jesus guys, I hope its not one of the main DB, or this will totally explain to me why we have so many problems.
Sooo /signed. Not a truckload of RAMSANs and sold Lamborghinis will help you when you're running, say, not-so-reliable software. And, for crying out loud, there's Oracle 10g to download freely.
For the others: if I recall properly, EVE runs on an IBM blade system, so you might want to take a look here.
Originally by: Broken Star
AIX 4 LIFE!
I cannot say I'm fond of the Big Blue. The best UNIX implementation has already been buried (I'm talking about Tru64 by DEC) and what I personally would favour is Solaris... Unices are definitely the way to go in such enterprise.
never fond of solaris myself, ;) cant we just install bsd? ;) http://atomicrain.net/eve_sig.jpg
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Panshun
Raw Edge O X I D E
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Posted - 2007.07.27 12:21:00 -
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tbfh, yes ORACLE is better in many ways for very large apps, however if you wanted to stay ahead of the problem curve you would be better of putting Oracle on a Windows platform than a Unix one (and never a Linux one, I know this from fixing the build scripts for Oracle more than once on various sites). The way it is inside Oracle at the mo it seems that the Windows implementation gets all the fixing, tuning love. Still 'afiedt' A-file-for-edt VMS 4tw.
The main problem with switching to Oracle though is not just getting good DBA/dev staff (which actually isn't that much of a problem, there are a lot of us around and we're embarrasingly cheap these days) it's the absolutely insane license cost of the product.
With all the IBM kit though, and the nice relationship CCP seem to have with them I'm surprised its not built on DB2 meself (again, better than MS SQL Server)
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NeoTheo
Caldari Dark Materials
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Posted - 2007.07.27 12:24:00 -
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Originally by: Panshun tbfh, yes ORACLE is better in many ways for very large apps, however if you wanted to stay ahead of the problem curve you would be better of putting Oracle on a Windows platform than a Unix one (and never a Linux one, I know this from fixing the build scripts for Oracle more than once on various sites). The way it is inside Oracle at the mo it seems that the Windows implementation gets all the fixing, tuning love. Still 'afiedt' A-file-for-edt VMS 4tw.
The main problem with switching to Oracle though is not just getting good DBA/dev staff (which actually isn't that much of a problem, there are a lot of us around and we're embarrasingly cheap these days) it's the absolutely insane license cost of the product.
With all the IBM kit though, and the nice relationship CCP seem to have with them I'm surprised its not built on DB2 meself (again, better than MS SQL Server)
excuse my ignorance thesedays, i assume stored proceedures are supported and DB2?
(just out of interest) - i know it was a big way to poo poo mysql previously (altho i believe fixed now)?
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Panshun
Raw Edge O X I D E
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Posted - 2007.07.27 12:28:00 -
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Originally by: NeoTheo
excuse my ignorance thesedays, i assume stored proceedures are supported on DB2? /~Theo.
I believe so, but I've not used DB2 for a very, very long time. However, I can't see how on earth not having that feature would be a showstopper. IMO, digging around inside your RDBMS to find your code was never really a great step forward.
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NeoTheo
Caldari Dark Materials
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Posted - 2007.07.27 12:30:00 -
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Edited by: NeoTheo on 27/07/2007 12:30:59
Originally by: Panshun
Originally by: NeoTheo
excuse my ignorance thesedays, i assume stored proceedures are supported on DB2? /~Theo.
I believe so, but I've not used DB2 for a very, very long time. However, I can't see how on earth not having that feature would be a showstopper. IMO, digging around inside your RDBMS to find your code was never really a great step forward.
yher guess so, i would never pretend to be a database Guru, actaully networking and security are my specialisations. Database work is very much handled by folks who have a clue here ;) i was more interested to know to be honest ;)
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Broken Star
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2007.07.27 12:48:00 -
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Originally by: Nofonno I cannot say I'm fond of the Big Blue. The best UNIX implementation has already been buried (I'm talking about Tru64 by DEC) and what I personally would favour is Solaris... Unices are definitely the way to go in such enterprise.[/quote
Do you want to hear something funny, in my line of business, in for the UK division they are super hot for AIX, but when I travelled to the NA section, I found they are big fans of Solaris. It just made me laugh.
Only problem with using Sol for the ECM equipment we sell is that its the last platform the code is created for. Then again why wouldn't they, it's an IBM product anyway. LOL. --- I'm an alt, I admit it. |
raven415
Caldari FireStar Inc
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Posted - 2007.07.27 14:10:00 -
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how about some free eve time for us who have been here all along. not really fair that you give it to those who have left and not give it to us who have not.
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Dark Guardian
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Posted - 2007.07.27 14:35:00 -
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Edited by: Dark Guardian on 27/07/2007 14:40:00
Originally by: raven415 how about some free eve time for us who have been here all along.
Argh... posting while misreading the article... If the upgrade takes a day or two, instead of a few hours, then we'll get time added. It's happened before.
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Jerad Korargh
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Posted - 2007.07.27 15:45:00 -
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when I mean when did the thread change to knocking which database CCP use. Dont you think that CCP, would have tried different DBs and operation systems (ant that what the test servers are for)
and as for the pc v mac/linix for get it WE the masses do not want to hear about, it does our head in, so give it a rest PLEASE
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Elaron
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.07.27 16:32:00 -
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Originally by: Jerad Korargh when I mean when did the thread change to knocking which database CCP use.
Every time it comes up that CCP runs EVE-Online's data layer on MS SQL Server, you'll find posts saying "You should run it on [MySQL | Oracle | AIX | DB2]" (choose according to whichever system the poster has experience in, if any at all).
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Cheopis
Serenity Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.07.27 17:55:00 -
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Originally by: Skullet4000
Originally by: SexxxSlave
Originally by: Li nee Hehe
I love it when non IT bods spout rubbish
and I love it when people feel the need to pick at those who arent SUPERIORLY IT versed. STFU and educate without the flames.
Ah thats the thing with IT boffins, they always have a load of smart answers to a problem, unless its actually there job to fix said problem then cue much head scratching.
IT handbook Step 1: Tell them to reboot the machine. Step 2: Blame operator error and wash hands of problem.
You forgot step 0 : explain to customer that when you want them to shut off the computer, you mean the box next to the computer's tv.
The scary thing is that in my particular job doing IT support, most problems are solveable by rebooting, and about half of all problems are caused by employees who can't be troubled to follow the directions that pop up on the monitor as they work.
It's almost a relief when someone calls in with a real problem :)
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EscapeArtist
Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.07.27 19:13:00 -
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Originally by: Elaron
Originally by: Jerad Korargh when I mean when did the thread change to knocking which database CCP use.
Every time it comes up that CCP runs EVE-Online's data layer on MS SQL Server, you'll find posts saying "You should run it on [MySQL | Oracle | AIX | DB2]" (choose according to whichever system the poster has experience in, if any at all).
No, itÆs just most people with any experience within the IT industry can recognize that you donÆt run an enterprise application with as many connections as EvE has on a windows platform, or using MS SQL 05, itÆs just not build for it.
You know AIX is a platform and MySQL, DB2 and Orcale are databases right? Just checking.
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HAMTRONIX
Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.27 19:39:00 -
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Quote: No, itÆs just most people with any experience within the IT industry can recognize that you donÆt run an enterprise application with as many connections as EvE has on a windows platform, or using MS SQL 05, itÆs just not build for it.
You should send an email to the guys at nasdaq, they went to MSSQL 05 ent after migrating from their tandem architecture, be sure to let them know that MS SQL isn't built for "many connections". MS SQL currently processes every trade that happens on the NASDAQ, a number of other exchanges also run on the MS SQL platform. You might also inform Verizon, SAP, Accenture and the rest of the world class companies utilizing the MS architecture that they made the wrong choice. This kind of argument is ridiculous, there is more to it than eve will run better on "insert your fav RDBMS here".
Things like TCO/TCA and integration/interoperability with the rest of the eve architecture must be considered. There is no doubt that there may be some performance increase by utilizing some other RDBMS, but at what cost? For example, the cost per cpu of implementing an oracle solution can easily double the cost of implementing an MS solution. In addition the TCA of an oracle solution is markedly higher than an equivelent MS solution. I could go on and on, each RDBMS has it's place, CCP decided that MS SQL was right for them.
This discussion is beyond the scope of this announcement, we should continue this discussion, in a mature manner, in the appropriate place. (Eve technology lab)
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Krakkan
ReDevils
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Posted - 2007.07.27 23:17:00 -
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*everyone is an expert* ramsan is teh sex, 400,000 random I/Os!!! X3? *faint*
Quote: tuxford: AT LEAST ITS SPEELED CORRECTLY tuxford: spelled* Oveur: rofl
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Spurty
Caldari Citadel of dark arts
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Posted - 2007.07.28 00:33:00 -
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Just out of curiosity, has CCP investigated the DB software?
MS SQL doesn't appear when I search google for 'worlds fastest database'.
I've heard that the top hit (Cache) comes with a small army of support devs ready to walk your database and stored procedures from whatever DB to theirs with a high degree of success. Heck, you can even download the entire product for trial, just can't get more than 2 people connected without a license.
I love MS as their software is 'good enough' to do the job, but far far far from perfect for any solution. This keeps me employed in the Software industry, so I never want MS to vanish!! I work with all operating systems, that includes VMS, Mac, Linux, Solaris etc etc etc, Windows is just a fantastic games platform (Mac is a close second, Linux is stuck in 3rd)
Yupe, you won't see me poo poo'ing MS for their efforts. Just want to point out that when performance is the central aim, Microsoft is hardly the solution. Its certainly prototyping optimized (proof of design stuff).
Bit disappointed but hell its just a game, not the stock market or anything where not having the fastest costs $$$ :-)
Must say I'd love one of those RAMSAN's but no clue what on earth I'd do with it except huggle it ;-) I'd like an Amarrian Nipple Noogey please!
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Ankanos
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2007.07.28 00:44:00 -
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Edited by: Ankanos on 28/07/2007 00:53:19
for those curious about the RAMSAM SSD being added to the db. -here is a little promotional snippit in pdf format that its maker, Texas Memory Systems made after CCP deployed the first unit in 2005. (2 pages)
it briefly describes Eve-Online's "one world, one server" challenge and the type of stresses Eve-Online's game design puts on a database server.
It then shows how the RAMSAN helped improve database I/O and calls, -and the relative ingame systems that benefited from it.
I remember the weeks after the first RAMSAN was installed. the speed increases to the market, the bio, faction standings, F10 map, even jumping through a gate, were amazing. everything responded almost instantly. (1 to 2 seconds)
-since then the db has most likely expanded beyond the capacity of the first unit, thus negating some of its glory.
lets hope this additional RAMSAN lets the "hot" db once again reside entirely in the RAMSAN array, -thus bringing back the RAMSAN glory days of yor.. :D
many thanks CCP, for you continual quest to keep the dynamic, interactive artform that is Eve-online, thriving on the best hardware technology has to offer.
-ankanos
(I think this brief is perfect, even for those not technically inclined. )
the pdf snippit: the pdf snippet
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F'nog
Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Valainaloce
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Posted - 2007.07.28 01:01:00 -
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So much geek speak! [headache smiley]
I used to get It. Then It changed. Now I don't even know what It is.
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Skallebank
Minmatar The 5 Amigo's LLC. NxT LeveL
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Posted - 2007.07.28 01:10:00 -
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hey, im all for ugrades, but seriously couldn't ccp space them out a bit. been almost every tuesday latly.
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Elaron
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.07.28 17:16:00 -
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Originally by: EscapeArtist You know AIX is a platform and MySQL, DB2 and Orcale are databases right? Just checking.
Ahh, slight goof there - meant Informix; came of posting at work while fretting over a poorly domain controller.
The main thing I was trying to illustrate is that there's always a bunch of people who feel they need to prove something (what and to who, I don't know) who leap out to criticise CCP's chosen platform with an obvious lack of thought about the difficulties and risks any project to change it would involve.
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ShizzaAux
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Posted - 2007.07.28 17:25:00 -
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This gose for those that claim they know how many connection thing accept. Do you really think they pound the number of users at the SQL servers. No, you have load balanced frontend servers in a MMO login server normaly assigns a frontend for you to connect to or they do a round robin type thing. The front end servers then pipe all there users to some sort of world server via a few pipes vs the number of users connected. Frontend might go right to the SQL backend might not. But im sure sence they have 20000 connections on avg from clients they have multiple frontends. I wouldn't be supprised if they have 2000ish users per frontend server. Granted I have no idea how they setup there system. Not going to try. But assume from how most MMO's are setup up. Now im not trying to bash anyone that has a real job as a admin, but the practice of a MMO is almost like simulating a supercomputer. Sence they say they use clusters, They very well could be using some type of HPC. That would be a new area for MMOs. Not many do. That would put a whole new twist on the normal model below.
20,000+ user connections --> Front End (2000 connections'ish) / Chat (IRC I Bet) --> World (HPC) / Zone or Region (Multiple Blades / Racks) --> Data Layer (SQL / File)
As you get closer to the Data layer the number of connections is alot smaller. Also alot of times the Teir 2 Servers save all player data in ram and only backup to sql and (un)load from sql at player connect and disconnect. You wouldn't want to run the same query to get the players stats ever darn second someone shoots a missle in combat it would be to slow. But Market Data would be ok if its slow. Your normaly not looking at that in combat.
Take your hightech job and goto gamasutra.com sometime. You might learn something. Think outside the box from your corporate level job. Bash me all you want i don't care. Persnaly my self I haven't had a Blue Screen on any of my Servers sence windows NT 4.0. Get good supported hardware and your normaly fine. Don't go out picking a fight cause someone uses windows. IMO i think everyones solutions suck. I just think MS solutions suck less. This also wouldn't be the first MMO to use MS SQL. You also don't know if they just use MS SQL for the database. They could use linux for everything else who knows.
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Princess Morenta
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2007.07.28 17:42:00 -
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Alot of the major korean MMORPGs run on Win2k3 server or Win2k server alongside a MSSQL database and they can handle some ridiculous loads.
I agree with alot of the posts to the opensource-fanboys saying ooh MYSQL this and the corporate types with Oracle that...
CCP may look like they dont have a clue sometimes but I assure you they not what they are doing with regards to their system design.
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IlluminatedOne
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.07.28 18:48:00 -
[85]
I think EVE's numbers (of simultanious connections) will be on top untill some other MMO game uses object-oriented database, not RDBMS.
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Bumblina
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Posted - 2007.07.28 21:25:00 -
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I think the point that everyone is missing here is this ..... it doesn't matter how much you whine, nor what suggestions you make, CCP are going to do what THEY think is best for their game.
They don't want us all to stop paying, they don't want to read all your bloody whines and moans about their choices...... and, do you really think that they enjoy being called in the middle of the night to deal with "our" training emergencys. Just because our lives stop without Eve ..... certainly doesn't mean theirs does.
Ok, I have only been playing a month or so, and, yes, DT's are bloody annoying. It's part of the game. I can't possibly imagine CCP choosing something that isn't going to aid our game play as much as it isn't going to hinder them and their job.
Well done for ANY upgrade imho.
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Rabiator
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Posted - 2007.07.29 00:11:00 -
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Originally by: ****zaAux
As you get closer to the Data layer the number of connections is alot smaller. Also alot of times the Teir 2 Servers save all player data in ram and only backup to sql and (un)load from sql at player connect and disconnect. You wouldn't want to run the same query to get the players stats ever darn second someone shoots a missle in combat it would be to slow. But Market Data would be ok if its slow. Your normaly not looking at that in combat.
Very good point. I'd like to add that not all data are equally important to keep consistent.
If a missile gets lost in combat now and then, it might hardly be noticed. Market transactions, on the other hand, are something you really want to get right, maybe to the point where you use one actual database transaction per player trade. I dimly remember a story about a World Of Warcraft exploit, where people found out how to duplicate stuff by handing it over and then somehow crashing the area with the previous owner of the item. Presumably before it was written to the database that he did not have the item anymore. Things like that could be avoided by making the involved database changes atomic, which is exactly what database transitions are for
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Ossprey Lemming
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Posted - 2007.07.29 08:17:00 -
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UM the Ramsan is OK BUT why change all the Database hardware? I thought the database was running on newer hardware than the Cluster? and it was bought with the ability to be expanded, so why?
I told you Intel machines don't like too play nice with AMD :-P
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WhitePhantom
Gallente Edenists
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Posted - 2007.07.29 19:36:00 -
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Its really simple people.
CCP decided on MSSQL vs another Database Design. They decided for the use and what features they would use, that MSSQL would be the best choice. So to claim that another choice would get any performance boost without proof, then well your posting your pointless views on the subject.
You might be right you might be wrong, perhaps MSSQL offers some feature that is better then the rest, that is required for their design. Sure they could change it, but as a programmer you learn only to change what you have to.
Upgrading to a new backend/compiler is always a risk and most of the time its worth it. So lets stop this pointless dicussion over trying to tell CCP they should change to ORACLE or some other choice, because they won't listen to us, because we are just customers.
They know 1000% more about their product then we do, so our views on the database choice is pointless.
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Spurty
Caldari Citadel of dark arts
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Posted - 2007.07.29 20:51:00 -
[90]
Oh I agree, EVE is probably optimized to use make the most of the MS SQL DB. It probably pushes MS SQL to the limits.
However, those limits don't exist (so low down) in every DB, which is why experimentation with different DBs is a valid side project for CCP as they grow.
In fact, its so valid, I can't begin to believe they don't experiment like this. They must still find MS SQL to be the right fit.
At least CCP is a forward thinking company :-)
Good luck with the upgrade, I'll be flying back from the West coast of Canada during that update. Rawr
I'd like an Amarrian Nipple Noogey please!
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Wabby Bel
Amarr Paxton Industries Paxton Federation
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Posted - 2007.07.30 10:41:00 -
[91]
Is it the RAMSAN, or SQL or something else which is causing the lag when opening / emptying loot cans?
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Vergil 577
Gallente MAIDS
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Posted - 2007.07.30 11:25:00 -
[92]
Wait Wazzuhh Solid State Storage Bay? Is that for "permanent" things in the game such as solar system info and the planets' data? Also I'm glad I'm training Mechanic 5 gives me a more than long enough skill for this . --It ain't fun unless it's radioactive ¬ --Vergil The Dark Slayer |
Ezekiel Sulastin
Gallente Eve University
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Posted - 2007.07.30 13:13:00 -
[93]
Originally by: Vergil 577 Wait Wazzuhh Solid State Storage Bay? Is that for "permanent" things in the game such as solar system info and the planets' data? Also I'm glad I'm training Mechanic 5 gives me a more than long enough skill for this .
-.-
Way to not read any of the posts OR Wikipedia OR Googling it. WELCOME TO THE INTERNET - WE CAN SEARCH FOR STUFF HERE! In fact, lookee here, a shiny article RIGHT ON THE SUBJECT! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solid_state_drive
Please train Common Sense, Basic Computer Usage, and Internet Usage to V before using the Internet again.
Back on topic, the upgrades look to be pretty cool. I wonder how well the new RAMSAN will help performance ...
*goes back to poking Heavy Drone Op V*
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MrTripps
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.07.30 13:39:00 -
[94]
If ya'll wanna get rid of that old hard ware the MrTripps Foundation for Wayward CoEds is taking donations.
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Rock Lobster
Solarflare Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2007.07.30 16:21:00 -
[95]
Got to love all the armchair DB admins in this thread.
I'm just glad to see TQ getting some much needed hardware and software upgrades.
So when are you sorting out the cluster interconnects?
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Posted - 2007.07.30 17:35:00 -
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The previously announced downtime for software and hardware upgrades on Tuesday, 31 July, has been postponed until Thursday, 2 August. The downtime will be from 04.00 to 12.00 GMT as announced, so same time but different day.
As you know, if you read the previous announcement, the downtime is to upgrade our database to Microsoft SQL Server 2005 Enterprise Edition Service Pack 2 and replace all of our database hardware. Unfortunately there are some delays in processing equipment through UK Customs, hence the upgrade being postponed two days.
Wrangler Community Manager EVE Online
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Hamfast
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.07.30 17:50:00 -
[97]
Originally by: CCP Wrangler The previously announced downtime for software and hardware upgrades on Tuesday, 31 July, has been postponed until Thursday, 2 August. The downtime will be from 04.00 to 12.00 GMT as announced, so same time but different day.
As you know, if you read the previous announcement, the downtime is to upgrade our database to Microsoft SQL Server 2005 Enterprise Edition Service Pack 2 and replace all of our database hardware. Unfortunately there are some delays in processing equipment through UK Customs, hence the upgrade being postponed two days.
You need to make friends in the Customs Office... not that I have any...but you need some
None of us is as dumb as all of us...
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Storm Shadw
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.07.30 18:27:00 -
[98]
tut tut you need to pay your VAT,
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Jack Target
Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2007.07.30 18:37:00 -
[99]
It looks as if CCP are doing everything they can to stop/reduce the lag.
This is fantastic!
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8ObliVioN8
InterGalactic Corp. Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.07.30 21:28:00 -
[100]
Originally by: CCP Wrangler The previously announced downtime for software and hardware upgrades on Tuesday, 31 July, has been postponed until Thursday, 2 August. The downtime will be from 04.00 to 12.00 GMT as announced, so same time but different day.
As you know, if you read the previous announcement, the downtime is to upgrade our database to Microsoft SQL Server 2005 Enterprise Edition Service Pack 2 and replace all of our database hardware. Unfortunately there are some delays in processing equipment through UK Customs, hence the upgrade being postponed two days.
Good luck with the upgrade - hope all goes smoothly
Incidentally, if you had imported the new equipment through UK Customs with an asylum seeker, not only would your new equipment be installed, but you'd also have a nice new flat, stereo, Sky TV and regular monthly benefits all courtesy of HM Treasury and the UK taxpayer...
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Marrgaux
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Posted - 2007.07.30 22:17:00 -
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I am a systems admin for a 94,000 and growing user SQL database managing about 6.8 billion in sales transactions a year. We are hoping to double that in the next four years... fingers crossed.
Which database is better really depends on your point of view and how the front end software runs. I am not saying MS SQL is the best. Just like I would never say which religion is the best. Pick one, make it work for you, and respect others for the path they choose...
Every database has issues and so do their patches. Just don't lie to yourself at night in order to make you sleep better because of the choices you made. If you choose wrong then switch. ItÆs ok to contradict yourself every once in a while.
I highly doubt you will stop playing EVE just because it runs on MS SQL.
Also... Thank you CCP for putting in a bigger and better RAMSAN. Thank you for doing your upgrades with a grain of restraint. It will help with any the patch pains.
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Katana Seiko
Made in Germany
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Posted - 2007.07.30 22:19:00 -
[102]
yay... i have exams that day, so no time for playing during that time anyways...
Out of curiosity: Why are those controllers for more than 4 GB RAM so damn expensive? I'd love to get a disc based on DDR2 that I can load with like 16 or 32 GB...
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Emergence
Caldari Sky Destiny
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Posted - 2007.07.30 22:34:00 -
[103]
Good news, good hard & soft, the fine price :) For example, 655-Gb. Sun StorEdge T3 Array costs a little bit less 100 thousand dollars, and equal to it on capacity RamSan -520 - approximately at 10-12 time is more dear. In this case distinction in the price is limited to one order, but the RAID-file used for comparison 5 thousand, and RamSan -520 - 750 thousand IOPS, that in 150 provides all times more. Besides SSD raises efficiency of use of servers, that indirectly influences decrease system costs. In responsible appendices for which real productivity is necessary, for it is necessary to pay. And those who can - pay. It is known, say, that Texas Memory Systems has carried out delivery of the store in capacity of 2,5 Tbyte, and it is easy to present, in what it has managed.
I to that time CCP updates hard & soft, mean all at them well so also to us it is possible to be glad. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels and filesize of 24000 bytes -Wachtmeister ([email protected]) |
codex09
Minmatar Entropy Systems Mining Co.
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Posted - 2007.07.30 23:51:00 -
[104]
Originally by: DRMALIKIA
Gigantic RAM hard drive? Faster data in and out since you are not writing to or reading from a hard disc?
Or is this a hybrid version that has a large RAM array that then does the slower writing recording to the hard disc in the background?
Just curious. Ooh and 256 Gig, that is pretty damn small, they don't make lareger versions? 1 Terrabyte +. I would think with the amount of data that EVE generates on a second by second basis, that you would need a larger amount of active, fast data shuffling going on at one given time. Or to compensate for spikes in data traffic etc.
Anyway, I have no clue what I am talking about, lol.
I haven't looked right into using these sorts of RAM drives but I must agree with you when you ask is there not a bigger unit available? I mean in the world of I.T. 256Gb isn't really that huge any more whether it be a RAM drive or our run of the mill everyday HDD.
I would think that upgrading would be done in a way that it is good for any future expansions and 256Gb doesn't look like it will be able to handle to much of an xpansion in user numbers etc. Then again though I am not fully informed as to what part of the system this piece of H/W will be working with.
It is good that upgrades are happening and like everyone else I am hoping it brings with it a lift in the performance of the server etc. I think it would be great to be able to see the 200+ per side battles without the lag and who knows if that does happen I personally think it might be possible that these battles will become more frequent, and lets not forget the smaller battles maybe they will become a draw card for lots of new players
Anyway as I said before it is great to see things happening to improve the system and the game.
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Sharker2k3
Minmatar Outlaw-Star
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Posted - 2007.07.31 01:45:00 -
[105]
Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker Edited by: Niccolado Starwalker on 26/07/2007 18:08:51
Originally by: CCP kieron On Tuesday, 31 July, Tranquility will experience an extended downtime period from 0400 through 1200 GMT. During this time, we will upgrade some of our software from SQL Server 2005 to Enterprise SP2. At the same time, we will replace all of our SQL hardware.
On Thursday, 2 August, we will expand our solid state storage to 256 GB by adding another RAMSAN unit. This upgrade will not require any additional downtime.
As with any extended downtime, we recommend training a skill with a long learning time.
I see you are adding another RAMSAN! Excellent!! But I wonder... Who's Lamborghini Have CCP sold this time?
i lol'd
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Mog Tasher
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Posted - 2007.07.31 02:40:00 -
[106]
Geez, you guys allow time for burn-in? Thursday's a little close if you're still waiting for kit to arrive....
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WhitePhantom
Gallente Edenists
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Posted - 2007.07.31 03:22:00 -
[107]
Originally by: Mog Tasher Geez, you guys allow time for burn-in? Thursday's a little close if you're still waiting for kit to arrive....
They could have that in Iceland, as the servers are located in England.
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Matthew
Caldari BloodStar Technologies
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Posted - 2007.07.31 07:54:00 -
[108]
Originally by: codex09 I haven't looked right into using these sorts of RAM drives but I must agree with you when you ask is there not a bigger unit available? I mean in the world of I.T. 256Gb isn't really that huge any more whether it be a RAM drive or our run of the mill everyday HDD.
Not a bigger individual unit, no. But as with most storage options in the server world, you can simply put lots of them together in a nice big array, kinda like this. Though I suspect that thing's in the expense range where if you have to ask how much it costs, you can't afford it.
Originally by: codex09 I would think that upgrading would be done in a way that it is good for any future expansions and 256Gb doesn't look like it will be able to handle to much of an xpansion in user numbers etc. Then again though I am not fully informed as to what part of the system this piece of H/W will be working with.
It really depends which of the database tables they need to have on the RAMSANs. Some tables will stay pretty much the same size regardless of how many users there are (e.g. the tables we get as part of the data dump), and if those are the ones that benefit from being on the RAMSAN, then more parallel units (and hence more combined I/O per second) is going to be more important to support increasing user numbers, rather than massive increases in capacity. ------- There is no magic Wand of Fixing, and it is not powered by forum whines. |
Mashie Saldana
Hooligans Of War
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Posted - 2007.07.31 08:38:00 -
[109]
Originally by: codex09 [b]I haven't looked right into using these sorts of RAM drives but I must agree with you when you ask is there not a bigger unit available? I mean in the world of I.T. 256Gb isn't really that huge any more whether it be a RAM drive or our run of the mill everyday HDD.
The thing is that the RAMSan kit is extremely expensive per GB ($1750), hence why you don't buy more than you absolutely need each time you upgrade.
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Vergil 577
Gallente MAIDS
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Posted - 2007.07.31 10:04:00 -
[110]
Whoops there I go again common sense out the window. Just so you know I know stuff about computers until you hit networks and servers... And luckily my skill is still long enough... P.S. as I write I realise "why am I using wiki it freezes IE ." --It ain't fun unless it's radioactive ¬ --Vergil The Dark Slayer |
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Pookie McPook
Nova Synergy PLC
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Posted - 2007.07.31 10:05:00 -
[111]
Edited by: Pookie McPook on 31/07/2007 10:06:20
Originally by: codex09 Edited by: codex09 on 30/07/2007 23:56:05
I haven't looked right into using these sorts of RAM drives but I must agree with you when you ask is there not a bigger unit available? I mean in the world of I.T. 256Gb isn't really that huge any more whether it be a RAM drive or our run of the mill everyday HDD.
I would think that upgrading would be done in a way that it is good for any future expansions and 256Gb doesn't look like it will be able to handle to much of an xpansion in user numbers etc. Then again though I am not fully informed as to what part of the system this piece of H/W will be working with.
It is good that upgrades are happening and like everyone else I am hoping it brings with it a lift in the performance of the server etc. I think it would be great to be able to see the 200+ per side battles without the lag and who knows if that does happen I personally think it might be possible that these battles will become more frequent, and lets not forget the smaller battles maybe they will become a draw card for lots of new players
Anyway as I said before it is great to see things happening to improve the system and the game.
My eyes are bleeding
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Gabriel Karade
Quam Singulari M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.07.31 11:06:00 -
[112]
I'm no database bod, but the first RAMSAN they added made a huge difference, hopefully we'll see more good stuff with this next one ----------
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Miranda Starborn
Beehive Technologies
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Posted - 2007.07.31 11:27:00 -
[113]
Thank you CCP.
Thank you for taking this difficult decision. I hope it will solve most or at least some of the problem you are trying to adress with this upgrade.
I also feel a bit pitty about the guys that has to work in the middle of the night to do this. Drink a lot of coffe, and keep up the happy smiles while working. I wish u all good luck and a smooth upgrade.
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plasmaster
Cryogenic Consultancy Black Sun Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.31 23:04:00 -
[114]
oooooohhhhh
so does this additional memory mean we can have our old mail and bio letter lengths back? i take it they were reduced due to lack of storage on the server. but of course you couldnt tell us that cause we maybe worried or get mad.
hope all goes well!
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Phillip Agapeia
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.08.01 06:44:00 -
[115]
Originally by: SonOTassadar Edited by: SonOTassadar on 26/07/2007 18:43:57
Originally by: Foot M why not? they gross about 2.5 million dollars a month from us.
Having said that, it's still a lot of God damned money.
Neither God nor Jesus are damners. Many use those names here in forums. So do I. And I say, Jesus is Lord.
And I welcome any soft/hardware upgrade that gets rid of lagtime.
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Mr Horizontal
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.08.01 09:39:00 -
[116]
One thing that I find peculiar about the setup is why CCP don't choose to split the data amongst different machines, and not just different disks. While I fully appreciate the T-Logs and particularly heavy-use tables of SQL Server should 100% be on the RAMSANs, there can be other levels of granularity that can be employed to better effect.
For example, one the slower aspects I see the RAMSAN will provide a performance bonus for is the market, as it's got a bit slow recently. For situations like this, the market can be run on it's own database server, while the contracts system (say) could be run on a second. Giving data causing the db to sweat its own machine will make that data 'faster'. Obviously tying in data like user data to a market transaction will mean things like Linked Servers will need to be used, or even (dare I say it) replicated tables, but these are pretty solid features in SQL Server.
In addition, an even more distributed approach could be done with all the static data, and actually converted a class structure and compiled and released in the patches. This would remove a heck of a lot of overhead from querying static data.
I'm personally a big fan of a more distributed approach, and if implemented correctly will result in massive performance boosts. Granted, it's more complex to set up, but a set of tools can be easily made to manage such updates easily.
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CCP kieron
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Posted - 2007.08.01 16:13:00 -
[117]
We have had to postpone the database upgrades once again. Unfortunately, the hardware is having a rough time making it through customs and we feel it is better to have one downtime to make the upgrades than multiple periods of unavailability.
The RAMSAN deployment has also been delayed, we do not have a new deployment date yet. An announcement will be made previous to the RAMSAN's deployment.
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Blind Dance
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Posted - 2007.08.01 17:07:00 -
[118]
The poor old hardware is having the full on rubber glove and k-y jelly check at customs, bless it.
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hobieone
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.08.01 17:41:00 -
[119]
Originally by: Blind Dance The poor old hardware is having the full on rubber glove and k-y jelly check at customs, bless it.
hopefully the hardware isn't to relaxed after that kind of abuse err treatment and fail to work after it arrives at its destination
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DRMALIKIA
United Technologies
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Posted - 2007.08.01 17:47:00 -
[120]
Originally by: Blind Dance The poor old hardware is having the full on rubber glove and k-y jelly check at customs, bless it.
Commence the RAMSAN @nal probing!
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Radioactive Babe
Red Frost
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Posted - 2007.08.01 18:06:00 -
[121]
What make is the disk storage behind the ramsans? I wonder if IBM threw in a freebie and thats what they are using. |
Jurgen Cartis
Caldari Interstellar Corporation of Exploration
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Posted - 2007.08.01 18:20:00 -
[122]
I think you need to send the folks at Customs some Bree to erm. . . 'expedite' your equipment. -------------------------------------------------- ICE Blueprint Sales |
Trebor Notlimah
Gallente Gunfleet Logistics Rogue Method Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.01 19:45:00 -
[123]
Originally by: codex09 Edited by: codex09 on 30/07/2007 23:56:05
Originally by: DRMALIKIA
Just curious. Ooh and 256 Gig, that is pretty damn small, they don't make lareger versions? 1 Terrabyte +. I would think with the amount of data that EVE generates on a second by second basis, that you would need a larger amount of active, fast data shuffling going on at one given time. Or to compensate for spikes in data traffic etc.
Anyway, I have no clue what I am talking about, lol.
.....step back and look at it from a database standpoint. To you, a home user who downloads bittorrent videos and ****o and illegal music and videogames, 256GB isnt alot. But 256GB is ALOT of dedicated database storage to just be 'added' on. It can hold an assload od non-media, non-program data. Its a database :)
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Lily Savage
CryoTech
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Posted - 2007.08.01 19:59:00 -
[124]
Originally by: 8ObliVioN8 Incidentally, if you had imported the new equipment through UK Customs with an asylum seeker, not only would your new equipment be installed, but you'd also have a nice new flat, stereo, Sky TV and regular monthly benefits all courtesy of HM Treasury and the UK taxpayer...
Lolz
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Callthetruth
Caldari Drunken Ratbags Inc New Eve Order
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Posted - 2007.08.01 23:49:00 -
[125]
Originally by: Lily Savage
Originally by: 8ObliVioN8 Incidentally, if you had imported the new equipment through UK Customs with an asylum seeker, not only would your new equipment be installed, but you'd also have a nice new flat, stereo, Sky TV and regular monthly benefits all courtesy of HM Treasury and the UK taxpayer...
Lolz
HM takes a lot more in "vanishing" items of interest to.
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PathetiQ
Gallente The Rat Pack
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Posted - 2007.08.02 01:31:00 -
[126]
i hope is isnt running at 100% with Microsoft database ... thats why we got some lag ;)
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Makran
Caldari The Graduates Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2007.08.02 01:51:00 -
[127]
Quote: We apologise again for the fault in the subtitles. Those responsible for sacking the people who have just been sacked have been sacked.
Quote: The directors of the firm hired to continue the credits after the other people had been sacked, wish it to be known that they have just been sacked. The credits have been completed in an entirely different style at great expense and at the last minute.
Seems appropriate. hehe
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Serankell
Caldari UMEC
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Posted - 2007.08.02 02:10:00 -
[128]
Each database software has its strong points and drawbacks. It really depends on what you want to do with the database. The lag with the database recently I would guess is more related to hardware then software though I'm sure the software upgrade will help.
As for the ransam. Those are expensive and you don't need very much to make a huge performance difference for a database. They are upgrading to 256GB, meaning they probably are already running at least one unit. Probably a 128GB or two 64GB units.
256GB might not seem like much but for a database 256GB is a crap load of data.
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Ronny Hendriks
FireStar Inc FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.02 04:23:00 -
[129]
bummer :( another delay presented by our good friends at the customs office.. no matter where you live they always cause trouble in these kind of situations :( hope the new hardware arrives soon! ramsans are sweet pieces of machinery! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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JasonKiddy
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Posted - 2007.08.02 05:54:00 -
[130]
I would have thought that testing any new equipment BEFORE even announcing the upgrade would have been more sensible. Then if things get delayed, by whatever reason, people don't get annoyed. I have no 'magical' insider knowledge like a lot of you guys above... but hope/expect this to make a very welcome upgrade. It is just annoying that I have been delaying skills i really wanted for the last few days due to these delays. Here's hoping CCP don't get any more delays and can get on with this. Well done guys.
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Odhinn Vinlandii
Minmatar Elite Storm Enterprises Storm Armada
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Posted - 2007.08.02 07:47:00 -
[131]
Will the hardware/software upgrade fix the stuck standings? 11 Cosmos missions since the 24th and not a budge!
...and my petition sent on the 24th has yet to be answered.
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Shueki Seiko
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Posted - 2007.08.02 11:05:00 -
[132]
You know, change the date to like 1st of september. If that stuff didn't pass customs till then, you have serious issues with your customs and you can cancel these upgrades alltogether or delay it without announcing a new date...
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Guy Sharpe
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Posted - 2007.08.02 12:11:00 -
[133]
Um ... was it really postponed? I am unable to connect to the server.
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Schrudcher
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Posted - 2007.08.02 12:24:00 -
[134]
think they have restarting problems
an other 7 min and counting
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Archbishop257
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Posted - 2007.08.02 12:38:00 -
[135]
So we are down this morning?
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Skyle Drake
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Posted - 2007.08.02 12:38:00 -
[136]
Linux on Z Series, would that increase performance?
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JC Allmighty
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Posted - 2007.08.02 12:42:00 -
[137]
eve hates GMT+9:30
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Tillakna
Gallente Armoured Assassins
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Posted - 2007.08.02 13:41:00 -
[138]
Originally by: Skullet4000
How do you know I'm not already one? presumptions my friend are always just that. Also your inability to master basic grammar in your previous post even after an edit doesn't inspire much confidence.
"presumptions my friend, are always - just that" or "presumptions my friend, are always just that"
Do not be talking bout other peoples grammar, when there is so much left to be said about your own work. Theres two kind of people, the ones that do not give a damn, and the ones that think they do. ---------------
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Jonantus Lorenzuz
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.08.02 14:22:00 -
[139]
Originally by: Radioactive Babe What make is the disk storage behind the ramsans? I wonder if IBM threw in a freebie and thats what they are using.
It's Samsung disks, as IBM sold their disk production a few years back to them.
http://www-304.ibm.com/jct09002c/gsdod/solutiondetails.do?solution=28220&expand=true&lc=en
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Guinea Pig
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Posted - 2007.08.02 14:25:00 -
[140]
Originally by: Pasta****ioli Edited by: Pasta****ioli on 27/07/2007 02:16:51 Edited by: Pasta****ioli on 27/07/2007 02:16:31 Edited by: Pasta****ioli on 27/07/2007 01:32:25
Originally by: CCP kieron On Tuesday, 31 July, Tranquility will experience an extended downtime period from 0400 through 1200 GMT. During this time, we will upgrade some of our software from SQL Server 2005 to Enterprise SP2. At the same time, we will replace all of our SQL hardware.
I have a better suggestion. Ditch the Windows crap, go to UNIX and run Oracle. Better performance and better scalability.
Company i work for (retail software, among other products) uses unix/oracle servers and has some companies on windows/mssql and i can tell you that the biggest problems we're having are with the oracle platform. We have encountered problems that oracle never even saw befor (we're working closely with oracle to solve them at the moment). Anyway, Oracle would probably die when you have 30k different computers connecting at the same time, it died when 1500 of our customers pc's tried to. By the way: i am not saying mssql is better, it has issues aswell but oracle isn't without errors either.
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Wufong Wei
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2007.08.02 17:31:00 -
[141]
I'm gonna run out of long skills...by the 7th I'll have Electronics 5 and Engineering 5 on my alt and Astrogeology 5 on this guy...sigh...
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Frug
Zenithal Harvest
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Posted - 2007.08.02 17:57:00 -
[142]
Originally by: Tillakna
Originally by: Skullet4000
How do you know I'm not already one? presumptions my friend are always just that. Also your inability to master basic grammar in your previous post even after an edit doesn't inspire much confidence.
"presumptions my friend, are always - just that" or "presumptions my friend, are always just that"
Do not be talking bout other peoples grammar, when there is so much left to be said about your own work. Theres two kind of people, the ones that do not give a damn, and the ones that think they do.
He said basic grammar. Not nit-picky-maybe-its-a-mistake-if-you're-anal-but-it-might-not-be grammar.
Also: There ARE two kindS of people, the ones WHO do not give a damn, and the ones WHO think they do.
That's basic grammar.
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BrotherChaos
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[143]
Originally by: Phillip Agapeia Edited by: Phillip Agapeia on 01/08/2007 06:59:09
Originally by: SonOTassadar Edited by: SonOTassadar on 26/07/2007 18:43:57
Originally by: Foot M why not? they gross about 2.5 million dollars a month from us.
Having said that, it's still a lot of God damned money.
Neither God nor Jesus are damners. Many use those names here in forums. So do I. And I say, Jesus is Lord.
And I welcome any soft/hardware upgrade that gets rid of lagtime .
PRATT!!!
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Caleb Harrington
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Posted - 2007.08.03 09:27:00 -
[144]
Originally by: Li nee Hehe
I love it when non IT bods spout rubbish, 256Gb of RAMSAN is a stonkingly fast way for processing the mega amounts of data generated by eve.
So good for CCP in upgrading to bigger and better software and hardware.
Keep the good work up guys.
Then why does the server crash
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Dcap
Gallente Dark and Light inc. D-L
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Posted - 2007.08.03 17:46:00 -
[145]
Originally by: Draconus Lofwyr This is probably also for the Database servers as they can be hot plugged and databases moved on the fly. This should improve database access by at least a factor of 2 as they can distribute the database across the existing and the new array while running. DL
Wow that means undocking from Jita Stations should go from 5 mins to 2.5 mins! Cool. Good Hunting
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Ten GuMarr
Amarr I.Z.U Syndicate E.A.R.T.H. Federation
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Posted - 2007.08.03 19:12:00 -
[146]
I have to pity the customs situation. One of my former team members once worked for UK customs and I thought this would mean he was hard working, eagle eyed and would have an attention to detail.
All of which proved to be false which is why he no longer works for me. ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ -[sig]- ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
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alec v3
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Posted - 2007.08.04 15:53:00 -
[147]
hi, i dont know if this is the right form, but there is a feature that i don know is new
it is EVEmon or somthing, it is a long code that allows people to see what i am, what i am doing, what i have done and other stuff, i want to change my code, how do i do this?
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Jade Dragonheart
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Posted - 2007.08.04 16:01:00 -
[148]
Edited by: Jade Dragonheart on 04/08/2007 16:00:51
Originally by: Foot M why not? they gross about 2.5 million dollars a month from us.
Not sure how you get that number they gross closer to .8 to 1.4 million from the London based server. And gross is not even close to net profits and net is the real profit margin.
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Callthetruth
Caldari Drunken Ratbags Inc New Eve Order
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Posted - 2007.08.05 11:03:00 -
[149]
so u guys get the hardware yet ?
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Callthetruth
Caldari Drunken Ratbags Inc New Eve Order
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Posted - 2007.08.06 08:25:00 -
[150]
so are u go or no go for the downtime ?
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Aenigma
Griefwatch
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Posted - 2007.08.06 12:53:00 -
[151]
Edited by: Aenigma on 06/08/2007 15:52:36 Indeed, some updates would be nice.
edit: Seems there was a stealth update. The News Topic got bumped.
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Sandy Crakz
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Posted - 2007.08.06 17:06:00 -
[152]
Hmm... one wonders who got the cavity search so the gear cleared customs
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Thurock Daynr
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.08.06 21:29:00 -
[153]
OK, so now we know it is still on for tonight, I'll be the first to ask....
What are the chances you'll get done early?
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Callthetruth
Caldari Drunken Ratbags Inc New Eve Order
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Posted - 2007.08.07 00:44:00 -
[154]
so will SISI ( test server) be up during this dt
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Tallain
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Posted - 2007.08.07 03:21:00 -
[155]
Originally by: Jonantus Lorenzuz
Originally by: Radioactive Babe What make is the disk storage behind the ramsans? I wonder if IBM threw in a freebie and thats what they are using.
It's Samsung disks, as IBM sold their disk production a few years back to them.
http://www-304.ibm.com/jct09002c/gsdod/solutiondetails.do?solution=28220&expand=true&lc=en
I manage and IBM SAN at my shop, with multiple controllers, DS4000 series, which I recall from years ago CCP had, to a DS8300, which is the top of the IBM line... The drives in ours are all seagates.
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Caius LiviusCerso
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Posted - 2007.08.07 10:35:00 -
[156]
Is this it then?
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Callthetruth
Caldari Drunken Ratbags Inc New Eve Order
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Posted - 2007.08.07 10:44:00 -
[157]
Edited by: Callthetruth on 07/08/2007 10:44:17 well nothing yet guess we wait
startup in 8 minutes
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Cyphr Sonic
Caldari The Ninja Coalition New Eve Order
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Posted - 2007.08.07 10:50:00 -
[158]
man the RAMSAN is still in customs did customs find that hard drive was stuff full of terrorist plots or something?
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Caius LiviusCerso
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Posted - 2007.08.07 10:51:00 -
[159]
Cmon, CCP, tell us how did it go, how many hamsters dead or dying, wives pregnant etc.
we demand to know.
We would also be very grateful if you shone some light upon the community that loves Eve so much.
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Caius LiviusCerso
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Posted - 2007.08.07 10:52:00 -
[160]
Originally by: Cyphr Sonic man the RAMSAN is still in customs did customs find that hard drive was stuff full of terrorist plots or something?
in customs? are you sure? It was the old news and got bumped for the update thats taking place.
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Willow Whisp
Sadist Faction
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Posted - 2007.08.07 10:52:00 -
[161]
omg, evemon says it's starting up. *bites nails in anticip........* ...
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Sai1ent
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Posted - 2007.08.07 10:54:00 -
[162]
Computer sayd no
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.08.07 11:04:00 -
[163]
Two questions:
Will this effect my settings(such as OV)?
and
How can, even for futures sake, can i avoid the "settings sweep"?
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Frug
Zenithal Harvest
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Posted - 2007.08.07 11:11:00 -
[164]
Originally by: Sheriff Jones Two questions: Will this effect my settings(such as OV)?
It's a server side update, nothing to do with your client, so I'm guessing it won't.
Originally by: Sheriff Jones
How can, even for futures sake, can i avoid the "settings sweep"?
Save your settings folder? Might not work for all patches. Those bookmark folders are doomed. DOOMED.
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Lord Siman
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Posted - 2007.08.07 11:14:00 -
[165]
do we get any extended subscription for the extra downtime happening like a few times every week?
I just paid last week after the first 7-days trial but it always down when I m free to play. It makes me unhappy :(
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.08.07 11:21:00 -
[166]
Originally by: Frug
Originally by: Sheriff Jones Two questions: Will this effect my settings(such as OV)?
It's a server side update, nothing to do with your client, so I'm guessing it won't.
Originally by: Sheriff Jones
How can, even for futures sake, can i avoid the "settings sweep"?
Save your settings folder? Might not work for all patches. Those bookmark folders are doomed. DOOMED.
Thank ya kindly
Put my mind at ease. I'm rather, ahem, tired of setting my OV everytime, so have to try this "saving settings" thing
So yeah, i have a problem with being serious, but it's the almost smallest problem i have. |
Danzig256k
Caldari Mortal Devastating Kin
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Posted - 2007.08.07 11:25:00 -
[167]
Originally by: Mallikan Any chance of seeing pictures of the EVE supercomputer? Any chances of me getting flamed for calling it "the EVE supercomputer" ? ;)
This is all well and good, looking forward to the results.
yeah let's see a photo tour of the eve server farm :)
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Frug
Zenithal Harvest
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Posted - 2007.08.07 11:26:00 -
[168]
They put it here: C:\Documents and Settings\...your name...\Local Settings\Application Data\CCP\EVE
Might want to back it up in case something bad happens to your eve install or whatever. It's quite possible a client update would be incompatible with your old settings, but it wouldn't hurt to try.
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Danzig256k
Caldari Mortal Devastating Kin
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Posted - 2007.08.07 11:27:00 -
[169]
Originally by: Lord Siman do we get any extended subscription for the extra downtime happening like a few times every week?
I just paid last week after the first 7-days trial but it always down when I m free to play. It makes me unhappy :(
SOL dude, they said the server will be down today a week ago, so no obligation to comp us..
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D'Insane Shatner
Gallente Shatner's Toupee
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Posted - 2007.08.07 11:31:00 -
[170]
Originally by: Danzig256k
Originally by: Lord Siman do we get any extended subscription for the extra downtime happening like a few times every week?
I just paid last week after the first 7-days trial but it always down when I m free to play. It makes me unhappy :(
SOL dude, they said the server will be down today a week ago, so no obligation to comp us..
Yea but I forgot. So I want a free memory implant.
-- http://www.shatnerology.com
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Uuodan
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Posted - 2007.08.07 11:35:00 -
[171]
anyone know how long it takes to get the server up again? i know they said 1200GMT but im living in CET so i dont know when 1200GMT is!
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Brzhk
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Posted - 2007.08.07 11:36:00 -
[172]
Originally by: Geek 1 geek stuff
Originally by: Geek 2 geek stuff
Originally by: Geek 3 geek stuff
...
i love you guyes, i felt suddendly less lonely :p
And nice move CCP. Can't wait for other upgrades, and also for client upgrades :)
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Baaben
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Posted - 2007.08.07 11:38:00 -
[173]
It's still down right? Or is my firewall failing me again >_<
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Grace Ioelet
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Posted - 2007.08.07 11:39:00 -
[174]
Originally by: Uuodan anyone know how long it takes to get the server up again? i know they said 1200GMT but im living in CET so i dont know when 1200GMT is!
perhaps this will help you? http://wwp.greenwichmeantime.com/
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Krilletor
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Posted - 2007.08.07 11:42:00 -
[175]
Edited by: Krilletor on 07/08/2007 11:43:12 Hehe: Tranquility status: not accepting connections, 9 players.
9 devs
Galactic pwnage for 9 guys - i am gettin jealous
Kri
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Uuodan
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.08.07 11:42:00 -
[176]
Originally by: Grace Ioelet
Originally by: Uuodan anyone know how long it takes to get the server up again? i know they said 1200GMT but im living in CET so i dont know when 1200GMT is!
perhaps this will help you? http://wwp.greenwichmeantime.com/
thanks, that was what im looking for. At first i was a bit confused caus its 13:40 CET so it should work ;-) , but after i saw that this is GMT.
i know its not topic but, how can i get a player pic like yours? - = = Bella Matribus detestata = = - |
Willow Whisp
Sadist Faction
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Posted - 2007.08.07 11:45:00 -
[177]
Originally by: Uuodan
i know its not topic but, how can i get a player pic like yours?
Gets automatically generated by the forum software every X* ammount of time.
* x can be anywhere from a couple hours to a couple weeks. ...
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Baka Lakadaka
Gallente Antares Fleet Yards SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.07 11:52:00 -
[178]
Edited by: Baka Lakadaka on 07/08/2007 11:53:45
Originally by: Grace Ioelet
Originally by: Uuodan anyone know how long it takes to get the server up again? i know they said 1200GMT but im living in CET so i dont know when 1200GMT is!
perhaps this will help you? http://wwp.greenwichmeantime.com/
Here's another trick - post something in the forum and look at the timestamp on your post.
^^^^^^^^^^^ | | | | | | | | | | | Up there - the time is GMT.
Cheers Baka ______________________ Have a Skill in training every second of every day and never buy a ship you can't afford to replace at least once. |
Baka Lakadaka
Gallente Antares Fleet Yards SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.07 11:57:00 -
[179]
Server's UP Cheers Baka ______________________ Have a Skill in training every second of every day and never buy a ship you can't afford to replace at least once. |
Baka Lakadaka
Gallente Antares Fleet Yards SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.07 12:12:00 -
[180]
I got in - changed my skill training and logged out to login an alt - Now I can't get back in again.
EveMon is reporting ever increasing numbers of pilots (over 7500 now).....I think it's just the rush of everyone trying to login together.
Cheers Baka ______________________ Have a Skill in training every second of every day and never buy a ship you can't afford to replace at least once. |
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Rude Bwoy
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Posted - 2007.08.07 12:18:00 -
[181]
boo, hiss...... Who's the rudest of them all! |
Rude Bwoy
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Posted - 2007.08.07 12:19:00 -
[182]
yippeeee - i'm in Who's the rudest of them all! |
Korbin Lotan
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Posted - 2007.08.07 12:23:00 -
[183]
I can get in, but I get a black screen...I also get background noise as per usual I'm docked, but can only see black...
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Callthetruth
Caldari Drunken Ratbags Inc New Eve Order
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Posted - 2007.08.07 12:32:00 -
[184]
tools and fellow obsessionals dont expect much for a few hours
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Korkor
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Posted - 2007.08.07 12:33:00 -
[185]
Originally by: Korbin Lotan I can get in, but I get a black screen...I also get background noise as per usual I'm docked, but can only see black...
I'm in the same boat. Is anyone actually on?
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S O
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Posted - 2007.08.07 12:36:00 -
[186]
Server says 10000 people are playing, I actually log in, select character and join a black screen... if I press ESC I can still change options and see the station background (blurred).
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Mara Kell
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Posted - 2007.08.07 12:37:00 -
[187]
I logged out in space and now my ship is checking its navigation systems for 15 minutes....
And thats in a system with usually 1-2 peeps in it.
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xSniper21x
New Age Solutions New Age Solutions Amalgamated
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Posted - 2007.08.07 12:38:00 -
[188]
Originally by: Korkor
Originally by: Korbin Lotan I can get in, but I get a black screen...I also get background noise as per usual I'm docked, but can only see black...
I'm in the same boat. Is anyone actually on?
Yea im also here aswell. I can hear all the people jumping in and out of this gate but all I have is a black screen. Usually says 'Checking Navigation Systems'. Ive noticed though that if it is in full screen and you minimize it, it shows a brief image of your ship, so its there and all working well, but all we get is a black screen. Im not sure if it could affect some video cards but im sure it will get resolved soon. Just though I better add this in.
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Ms Vanity
Caldari Hulk Industries
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Posted - 2007.08.07 12:40:00 -
[189]
Im in. Smooth as a babys bum for me :P
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Korkor
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Posted - 2007.08.07 12:40:00 -
[190]
Originally by: xSniper21x
Originally by: Korkor
Originally by: Korbin Lotan I can get in, but I get a black screen...I also get background noise as per usual I'm docked, but can only see black...
I'm in the same boat. Is anyone actually on?
Yea im also here aswell. I can hear all the people jumping in and out of this gate but all I have is a black screen. Usually says 'Checking Navigation Systems'. Ive noticed though that if it is in full screen and you minimize it, it shows a brief image of your ship, so its there and all working well, but all we get is a black screen. Im not sure if it could affect some video cards but im sure it will get resolved soon. Just though I better add this in.
In case it is effecting video cards, I'm using a nVidia 7900gs. Will update drives and report back.
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thirdeye47
Amarr CONsordium Infinate
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Posted - 2007.08.07 12:40:00 -
[191]
black screen and entering station. arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! Learn to Swim |
S O
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Posted - 2007.08.07 12:41:00 -
[192]
I feel we are going to have a long black period...
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Verna Krause
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Posted - 2007.08.07 12:42:00 -
[193]
black screen entering station in 0.0, My empire alt is fine however. 0.0 related ?
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Mara Kell
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Posted - 2007.08.07 12:44:00 -
[194]
I have tried two different computers with ATI and Nvidia so i doubt about any problems on our side.
It propably "just" the new improved and faster database...
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Kwedaras
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Posted - 2007.08.07 12:45:00 -
[195]
Database upgrades complete. We are working on a few issues that came up after startup due to the upgrade.
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S O
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Posted - 2007.08.07 12:46:00 -
[196]
Originally by: Mara Kell I have tried two different computers with ATI and Nvidia so i doubt about any problems on our side.
It propably "just" the new improved and faster database...
As I have read on another couple of posts searching BLACK SCREEN, it seems this is related to server issues... if "your" node server is down you have black screen.
Now wondering why some node servers are up and others are not...
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Korkor
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Posted - 2007.08.07 12:47:00 -
[197]
Originally by: Kwedaras Database upgrades complete. We are working on a few issues that came up after startup due to the upgrade.
On and working fine. Thank you
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Baka Lakadaka
Gallente Antares Fleet Yards SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.07 12:50:00 -
[198]
Looks like some systems are better than others.....I've managed to get all my alts logged in OK - eventually.
Long training times set for all skills and everyone's docked safely, so I'm tucking myself into bed and trying again tomorrow.
Cheers Baka ______________________ Have a Skill in training every second of every day and never buy a ship you can't afford to replace at least once. |
CyanideChrist
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Posted - 2007.08.07 12:50:00 -
[199]
For me it's hanging at "Entering Station / Setup Station blabla"
i highly doubt its a graphics issue, that would manifest itself quite differently. and as someone already stated, it was a server and not a client update.
its still annoying, i havent played any online-game with that much downtime yet. i understand its difficult to maintain a single-server philosophy, but im still paying for this service and expect it to work when promised by the staff. downtime was scheduled to be over nearly an hour ago!
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Bex Beere
Caldari Ominous Corp Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2007.08.07 12:55:00 -
[200]
Foolishly tried ratting when servers came back up.
Killed 2 BS drones. Scooped my 5 ogre IIs, looted and salvaged the wrecks, dragging and stacking of the alloys was very slow. 2nd wreck reported salvaged but salvager didn't turn off so I turned off manually and warped to next belt.
Was very surprised when I arrived at the next belt to find 4 ogre II drones missing. Warped back to last belt but they were not there just 1 BS wreck that could not be salvaged as it had already been salvaged.
Not sure whether to petition for the drones or not as I am fairly certain I will just get the usual "sorry, our logs show nothing wrong" answer. First time I've ever had drones disappear from the drone bay mid-warp though.
Bex Beere Director Ominous Corp Ethereal Dawn
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S O
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Posted - 2007.08.07 12:59:00 -
[201]
Still a black screen... I must also add that since yesterday I lost the possibility to access most of the video resolutions... pretty strange, I didn't touch the game folder at all.
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Syree Enforcer
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Posted - 2007.08.07 13:08:00 -
[202]
I have the same "Black Screen" hangup. There's the "Entering Station" panel on the black screen and I hear the in-station background sound. But nothing else. Just got the gtc - wanna play!
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thirdeye47
Amarr CONsordium Infinate
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Posted - 2007.08.07 13:12:00 -
[203]
updated graphics drivers on geforce card and started a new character, works fine with alt but not on main! why!!!!!! :( Learn to Swim |
Kwedaras
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Posted - 2007.08.07 13:19:00 -
[204]
any dev response ?
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Wabby Bel
Amarr Paxton Industries Paxton Federation
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Posted - 2007.08.07 13:30:00 -
[205]
i have a nice black screen also.
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Franz7657
Caldari Franzminator Corp
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Posted - 2007.08.07 13:32:00 -
[206]
Some friend can't login before (a nice black screen) A now, i be kicked, and i see 'Proxy not connected' What happen?
/me vote for a server reboot
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Soupz
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Posted - 2007.08.07 13:36:00 -
[207]
Server rebooting :)
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Kalma N'Kalpea
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Posted - 2007.08.07 13:41:00 -
[208]
Edited by: Kalma N''Kalpea on 07/08/2007 13:43:34 Why, oh sweet omnipotent being who may or may not exist, why.. why can't you guys get it right just once. Every single extended downtime means another unscheduled downtime a bit further down the line. Generally it happens at a critical point in the game.. lovely.. This time I didn't lose a ship, I only spent over an hour killing non-bountied ships, went to get the mission item and when I was about to pick it up I found that strangely enough EVE wasn't responding. Thanks for the timing, guys. Now I realize it's not on purpose, but just keep the damn server down 'til it works, rather than going through this crap every single time.
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Aenigma
Griefwatch
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Posted - 2007.08.07 13:45:00 -
[209]
Well, there's an old saying in Eve: "Don't play on patch day."
Ok, so technically it isn't a patch deployment, but i would be very careful with doing anything that is at least slightly risky.
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Crime Hunter
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Posted - 2007.08.07 13:46:00 -
[210]
I read now all that stuff to your hardware updates and the new world of eve maybe.
I work in a IT Company who rent hardware to customers within software and we started years ago to implement one easy rule that says: If you put in new hardware be sure the surroundingsconditions are the best you get. First we use only one Ground for all Hardwares Second we use only LWL Technology. And voila we have nearly 15000 Servers running without doubt. We even found a guy who specialist in finding these things in sourroundings. So this should be only a hint if you search next time for Hardware issues and you are sure everything is fine.
So go on updating the hardware we want all to play and not to write in these forums :)
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Mareeth Daalr
Hard Ore Corp
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Posted - 2007.08.07 13:48:00 -
[211]
Chill out doods ;)
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Willow Whisp
Sadist Faction
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Posted - 2007.08.07 13:52:00 -
[212]
It always amuses me when people go run missions the moment the server comes back online after an extended downtime. ...
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Mareeth Daalr
Hard Ore Corp
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Posted - 2007.08.07 13:58:00 -
[213]
It's up and running now, not that you didn't know this already since no one's posting here anymore
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Lordrixa
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Posted - 2007.08.07 14:18:00 -
[214]
Edited by: Lordrixa on 07/08/2007 14:21:26 nvm im just guessing tht the server is trying to take to my logins
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Tiquor Canche
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Posted - 2007.08.07 23:15:00 -
[215]
Originally by: Odhinn Vinlandii Edited by: Odhinn Vinlandii on 26/07/2007 21:09:39 Well theres your problem... your running a Microsoft product. There is enough info on the web that you shouldn't had made this mistake to begin with. You really ought to have known better.
"Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it"
Microsoft sells broken products... You wouldn't buy an overpriced brand new car with a cr a cked engine would you?
...and if you would, please contact me.
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Also, fix the stuck standings, it's been a few days now and you havn't even admited to the problem yet.
When you get a clue try posting again....
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Callthetruth
Caldari Drunken Ratbags Inc New Eve Order
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Posted - 2007.08.08 01:07:00 -
[216]
its bad ccp fix
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