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Kheo Sen
shatterd chains
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Posted - 2012.04.14 05:44:00 -
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zaqq wrote:
Completely lost faith in you guys :( makes me a sad panda to admit it, which is a real shame because the videos so far have been very epic (apart from some audio issues) and I have supported them as much as I could.
I look forward to watching the newer videos that get ripped from the website and thrown up on youtube for free etc, I know they are gonna be pro :)
peace o/
this |
Maximille Biagge
The Eden Trading International Corporation Curatores Veritatis Alliance
47
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Posted - 2012.04.14 07:16:00 -
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lol, just lol.
I seriously thought what you guys were doing was great, giving back to the community that made you "famous" and trying to help those out there who want to learn to be good at solo/small gang pvp.
But alas its just a big money making scheme by the "great garmon" and his buddies, trying to milk your fanbase for all it's worth.
Seriously 20 dollars a month for pvp videos and commentaries? The same stuff that so many other eve players share with the community for free every week.
let me guess, the next garmonation will only be available on blue-ray from amazon?
pathetic.
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Dracnys
14
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Posted - 2012.04.14 07:30:00 -
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First: Your instructional videos were by far the best one's I've seen. Thank you for making them, I've learned a lot.
However, your price is way to high and there's no way to know if you website is legit and that you will continue to do more content. Is it even allowed to sell these videos? Because, well, CCP owns the copyright to everything in EVE.
From a business perspective I would advise you that your target group of elite PVP people in EVE is too small and not ready to pay real money. Especially not more than their EVE subscription. This just can't sustain multiple "players" working full time. Very few people are ready to pay for computer game videos. And despite the good quality these videos stay what they are: People playing computer games with commentary.
I would pay ISK, probably lots of it, but no RL money. |
Raziel Saston
Deviance Cartel
4
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Posted - 2012.04.14 08:11:00 -
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Dracnys wrote:First: Your instructional videos were by far the best one's I've seen. Thank you for making them, I've learned a lot.
However, your price is way to high and there's no way to know if you website is legit and that you will continue to do more content. Is it even allowed to sell these videos? Because, well, CCP owns the copyright to everything in EVE.
From a business perspective I would advise you that your target group of elite PVP people in EVE is too small and not ready to pay real money. Especially not more than their EVE subscription. This just can't sustain multiple "players" working full time. Very few people are ready to pay for computer game videos. And despite the good quality these videos stay what they are: People playing computer games with commentary.
I would pay ISK, probably lots of it, but no RL money.
Mostly this.
A few friends saw this coming but I refused to believe it. Now that it's here I still can't believe it.
Waaaay over priced
Website looks poor
The videos themselves are by far the best i have seen and I am sure there is plenty of Rodneys out there that will part with their cash. GL with that.
There is soo many free apps and videos etc out there. Seems like you guys lost the whole spirit of eve thing. Murphy asked Paddy "What ringtone have you got ?" Paddy said, "I've never really looked, but probably light brown." |
Aldap
Club Bear
40
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Posted - 2012.04.14 08:49:00 -
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You guys are overreacting.
First I'll say, I just don't have the money. Simply my rl situation doesn't allow me to spend much time online playing, and even paying the subscription sometimes seems at risk these days. So I won't be joining EiE... However, if I had the money I'd join without second thought.
Why? Because its obvious that people can get just about the best PvP experience and improve way faster simply any other form of 'teacher' that Eve has to offer.... Do you know how many people actually pay rl cash for Eve stuff every day?
This is a legitimate and really great offer imo.
About 9 years I started playing a board game called 'Go', its very deep and complex. After a couple of years playing I kinda got stuck on and my level of game just wouldn't take the next level leap without help. I was breaking on the cliff for a full year trying to make that next step into "dan" level, without success. I then took a couple months of tutoring lessons from a pro, paying 20$ per session. I cannot even explain how incredible it impacted my game, moved into the lower dan levels smoothly with ease and even enjoyed playing more than ever before.
'Go' was and still is just a hobby for me, and so is Eve. If you love your hobby enough, you'll go beyond those childish reaction you just blurt out, and realize that a lot of players are going to deeply benefit from EiE and become much better pilots.
I see nothing but positive things coming out of this. More pilots knowing their solo stuff. More pilots being able to face blobs without fear. More 'out of the box' thinking, just more real Eve rather than boring ECM and Blobs.
Well done and goodluck to everyone who are taking this next step! My first PvP video: The Hunt |
Gibbo3771
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
69
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Posted - 2012.04.14 08:49:00 -
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LOL 19$ a month?
You serious? that is nearly the same price as an EvE sub.
I admit your videos are nice and are informative but they are not worth 19$ a month, hell I wouldnt even pay that for a porno of rihanna licking her own snatch.
Best of luck with your scam tho. Everytime you dont like my comments/posts the terrorists win and your a disgrace to your country. |
Beat General
Sons of Retribution Malice Alliance
4
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Posted - 2012.04.14 08:49:00 -
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costs alot...
I think that abbadon21 guy is corrupting the minds of garmon/will/duncan.
All that guy is a greedy money muncher. You can tell by his disgusting voice. |
Raziel Saston
Deviance Cartel
4
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Posted - 2012.04.14 09:10:00 -
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Aldap wrote:
If you love your hobby enough, you'll go beyond those childish reaction you just blurt out, and realize that a lot of players are going to deeply benefit from EiE
Hardly childish reactions. They are asking members to pay around the same amount as the actual eve subsciption.
I think we all know who is going to deeply benefit from EIE Murphy asked Paddy "What ringtone have you got ?" Paddy said, "I've never really looked, but probably light brown." |
Syss7
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.04.14 09:27:00 -
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EvE is Easy, err... Expensive |
Ozzie Asrail
Exploited
5
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Posted - 2012.04.14 09:40:00 -
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Looks good guys, hope it goes well for you. The vids have been awesome so far so i can only assume the one in the member area will be first class
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Thomas Kreshant
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.04.14 10:24:00 -
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Not for me I'm afraid at that price point but good luck Garmon, Will and Duncan with the enterprise. |
Ishanmae
Binding Energy
3
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Posted - 2012.04.14 11:10:00 -
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Not for me either...
I can't justify paying about as much as I pay for two subs (with yearly payments, I'm below 22$/month for both accounts).
I could easily plex them if I had the time to play more, but as it is, I would have a hard time justifying the expense for the EVE accounts already if money was tighter.
At a lower price, I would have definitely gone for it... |
Klown Walk
Black Rebel Rifter Club
76
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Posted - 2012.04.14 11:21:00 -
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No wonder why you kept dodging the price before. Good luck but it-¦s to much for me as a casual pvper. |
shortattenionsp
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.04.14 11:44:00 -
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Great videos so far guys and I really like what you're trying to do but I think you have really gotten your pricing wrong. I think pricing lower (under $10 a month) would give you waay more subs and you'd make more money that way. $19 is too close to $20 and most people just won't be able to justify paying that to themselves. - I'm sure you'll get some for sure, I just think it'd work out better for you with a lower price point.
Also the website really could look better, it looks fairly amateurish at the moment. There's plenty of decent simple eve websites out there, like SOMER blinks's site for example, http://cogdev.net/blink/. I just looked in the Eve fansites list and found a couple of randoms that look ok: http://extra-vehicular.blogspot.co.uk/ , http://www.saganexplorations.net/ Spend some of that money on a web designer or even hire someone for isk ;)
Just a little feedback anyway, peace |
Bruno Bourque
4
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Posted - 2012.04.14 12:08:00 -
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Quote:10. You may not market, sell, advertise, promote, solicit or otherwise arrange for the exchange or transfer of items in the game or other game services unless it is for in-game sales of in-game services or items. http://community.eveonline.com/pnp/terms.asp
Can someone from CCP confirm if this is allowed, since people cant actually sell things like phone apps ect. |
Wyvern Eden
Eden's Spaceship Enterprises
4
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Posted - 2012.04.14 14:21:00 -
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The videos were very very good, and I was really looking forward to the new site and members area. However, asking almost 20$ per month is just INSANELY overpriced. In my opinion asking any RL currency for this is just wrong. It would have been a fair price if it would be like 500m isk for access in my opinion. There are many people not spending a dime on EVE, just playing with PLEX. Those people certainly won't pay any RL currency for a guide I guess, so you would be missing out on a lot of customers!
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General Escobar
Gung-Ho
6
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Posted - 2012.04.14 14:26:00 -
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the videos aren`t bad but the sub is just way too expensive! |
Naomi Wildfire
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
102
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Posted - 2012.04.14 14:36:00 -
[198] - Quote
Achievement unlocked: Mastertroll |
Elenor Kharne
Ergo Optima
1
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Posted - 2012.04.14 14:47:00 -
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I really liked your awesome videos so far and it felt like you were just any other EVE gamer simply with more experience, skill and some creativity how to win fights than any other. And suddenly. That voice (modulated or not) talking about elite pro wtf pvp and the last announcement video whose related videos were only make-up styling videos at first, which made me feel that those "only positive comments" might not come from actual players.
My opinion is that you would have been better not using all those high profile marketing tricks (pron voice, promise everything under the sun, make the clients feel exclusive/elite for paying you ...) which you can see in most scams.
A smooth transition would have been better. your site is just starting and you cant expect players to pay for it such high prices without having seen much of your service. I kinda like your service and I think there are players willing to pay for this.
I agree with Aldap in his points although I am not in a position nor willing to spend so money for that stuff. You can find a lot of good thoughts on good tactics/fittings if you invest some time in searching them (eg. blogs of good pvpers, fellow gamers [discussions with them], videos), for free.
Your vision of how your site might turn out is great and sounds promising, too. I really wish you the best for your project. |
Lex Fasces
New Eden Renegades
5
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Posted - 2012.04.14 15:45:00 -
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Not patients.g 5 dollars per video and certainly not for the forum that is most likely empty and needs populating. saw.thus coming and would gladly pay a fiver a month or whatever but more than eve sub is a bit too egotistical for me lol |
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Sverige Pahis
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
989
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Posted - 2012.04.14 15:53:00 -
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hehe |
Memrox
Memrox Corp
33
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Posted - 2012.04.14 16:39:00 -
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Garmon (and your cronies), just leave the vids to the pro's like Kovorix. |
Mistress Lilu
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
124
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Posted - 2012.04.14 16:43:00 -
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Garmon and the other great pilots in the vids, really really disappointing. 19 dollars a month!! come on man. I think you should have never hooked up with abbadon21. He just ripps people off. And here i thought you guys were doing a great thing for eve. I would not mind paying 5 dollars a month, just to see you guys fly. Besides that, there are plenty of other great pilots that put up their vids for FREE. Very sad. |
Mistress Lilu
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
124
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Posted - 2012.04.14 16:45:00 -
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Beat General wrote:costs alot... I think that abbadon21 guy is corrupting the minds of garmon/will/duncan. All that guy is, is a greedy money muncher. You can tell by his disgusting voice. I thought i was the only one that thought of that lol. He does sound slimy. |
james1122
Aperture Harmonics K162
26
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Posted - 2012.04.14 17:35:00 -
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Make it $5 a month or less and then I will subscribe.
That is all.... Two Step for CSM |
geit reyl
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2012.04.14 18:05:00 -
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i wonder how long it took abadon to talk them into this, that dude has rl scaming lvl 5
edit: also his cheap tv shoping channel jargon all over the site makes me laugh so hard |
TooNu
Hide and Sneak
0
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Posted - 2012.04.14 18:05:00 -
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HAHAHAHAHA Garmon still trolling :) Every year we get something awesome fom Garmon and again he delivers. Alliance tournamet finals vs himself, Mintchip, and now $19.99 subscription, love it
I can not wait for the next instalment of "Garmon: Your mind it is blown!' |
Naomi Wildfire
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
102
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Posted - 2012.04.14 18:12:00 -
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TooNu wrote:HAHAHAHAHA Garmon still trolling :) Every year we get something awesome fom Garmon and again he delivers. Alliance tournamet finals vs himself, Mintchip, and now $19.99 subscription, love it I can not wait for the next instalment of "Garmon: Your mind it is blown!'
Sad part about those is, Mintchip is not a one time troll but rather a continuously one. |
Fon Revedhort
Monks of War DarkSide.
669
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Posted - 2012.04.14 18:30:00 -
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Maximille Biagge wrote:lol, just lol.
I seriously thought what you guys were doing was great, giving back to the community that made you "famous"
So you really believe that's Garmon who owes the community rather than it owing him? Really?
May be he should start paying isk for anyone bothering to watch his movies then?
While I'm not supporting this initiative, I can't blame him either. People think it's OK to copy-cat someone's setups, to abuse him knowing he's a prooven soloer (and thus has no crap like cynoes), but should he somehow ask a bit in exhange he becomes the worst scoundrel.
Pathetic, indeed. 14 |
Mistress Lilu
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
124
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Posted - 2012.04.14 18:34:00 -
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Fon Revedhort wrote:Maximille Biagge wrote:lol, just lol.
I seriously thought what you guys were doing was great, giving back to the community that made you "famous"
So you really believe that's Garmon who owes the community rather than it owing him? Really? May be he should start paying isk for anyone bothering to watch his movies then? While I'm not supporting this initiative, I can't blame him either. People think it's OK to copy-cat someone's setups, to abuse him knowing he's a prooven soloer (and thus has no crap like cynoes), but should he somehow ask a bit in exhange he becomes the worst scoundrel. Pathetic, indeed. no body is putting down garmon, its just sad that he is charging or abbadone21 is charging 19 dollars a month, ohh by the way get off his nuts.
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